From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 04:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h918AMW25106; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200310010810.h918AHJ30552@mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:18:43 +0800 Subject: Re: Echoplex pro/ echoplex proplus From: "Cameron Street" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3bRLwB.A.LIG.uvoe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's a shame we can't buy direct from loopersdelight.com shop hey ? oneday ---------- >From: Kim Flint >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex pro/ echoplex proplus >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 1:16 AM > >Mainly it has LoopIV software with all the new features: >http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html > >It also comes with the new manual and various other minor changes. Andy >Ewen posted a list once before: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200302/msg00538.html > >kim > >At 04:23 AM 9/30/2003, Cameron Street wrote: >>Ok what the diff between the pro and the pro plus? >>apart from the colour that is >>cam > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 05:37:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h919ZOL03318; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:35:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:35:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1065000923.3f7a9fdb73d6b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:35:23 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo Pro-style "loop sampler" in it? it's only like 15 1/2 seconds, but it does have half-speed and reverse. it also has a simple DSP synth that tracks the input. no you cannot use both at the same time. wild. i might just have to look into that. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 06:52:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91AoPX12981; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:50:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:50:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , Subject: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:51:57 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1065002996.183.49347.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Seen: false X-ID: ZkhpSuZlQe4TBFyuFFVxoUwwaSrJe45Yhf5mawoopGhUm6hJO4BlcU@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Elliott Sharp yesterday night here in Cologne/Germany. He played a Godin acoustic guitar plugged into a powerbook with some GRM tools which did some looping/pitchshifting at times. He was awesome. A very inventive guitar player, and fun to watch. His new album, 'the velocity of hue', will be out in November. Recommended. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 07:39:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91BbL019185; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:37:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB5B6@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: hendrix tech guy Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:32:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3880F.BAE4F540" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3880F.BAE4F540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" if it was a marshall modification, it would almost certainly have been jim marshall himself, or one of his engineers. I have read somewhere too that JMH would have his marshalls set up a bit strange- more pre-amp gain in the standard plexi's than usual, but not as much as in the master-vol version favoured by blackmore and co. a lot of this is apocrypha, though, especially if related by those-who-were-there, as they frequently can't remember. I once saw something in a mag about roger mayer's work with jimi and an octave effect that was operated by a mystery toggle switch on the neck-plate of a strat..... utter tosh, as mayer himself later wrote. hendrix did, however, like the reliability factor. he decided to use right-handed guitars because he felt that the mass-production led to a more reliable product, whereas the lefties would've been built in much smaller runs and therefore would somehow be inferior. that was just his take on statistics, I s'pose, and had no real grounding in terms of the state of fender's QC in the late sixties- it was only later that CBS decided to run the plant like a furniture factory. the early CBS fenders, up to about 1972, are perfectly good guitars, and the design improvements made thereafter are only occasionally cancelled out by the poor construction that the 70s fenders are all accused of. things didn't really go bad until about 1976, and then only until 1981-2. and as for JMH's marshall setup- it was simply expedient to have all the knobs turned right up and control everything from the guitar. other musicians do similar things- steve harris of iron maiden has the tone control of his precision bypassed and has his tech works to coded hand movements instead, while lemmy has the pickups in his rickenbacker hardwired to the output socket, missing out all the knobs. duncan. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: 01 October 2003 00:25 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod) I believe it was in a book I borrowed from the library, interviewing Mitch Mitchell over the rise of the Hendrix Experience. I'm afraid I can't remember who the tech person in question was. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod) oh my biz, very interesting @ least to me-i try to see everything on JIMI since the early days and dont remember this particular thing. questions: who tech guy? do you mean roger mayer or eddie kramer or? where did you see this? is it available on line? thanx s > > I read an interview with Jimi Hendrix's tech guy, who had to re-wire > the middle eq pot on his marshall stack, because Hendrix preferred his > sound with the center scooped, but wouldn't play unless all the knobs > were set at full... > > bIz > *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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if it was a marshall modification, it would almost certai= nly have been jim marshall himself, or one of his engineers. I have read so= mewhere too that JMH would have his marshalls set up a bit strange- more pr= e-amp gain in the standard plexi's than usual, but not as much as in the ma= ster-vol version favoured by blackmore and co.

a lot of this is apocrypha, though, especially if related= by those-who-were-there, as they frequently can't remember. I once saw som= ething in a mag about roger mayer's work with jimi and an octave effect tha= t was operated by a mystery toggle switch on the neck-plate of a strat.....= utter tosh, as mayer himself later wrote.

hendrix did, however, like the reliability factor. he dec= ided to use right-handed guitars because he felt that the mass-production l= ed to a more reliable product, whereas the lefties would've been built in m= uch smaller runs and therefore would somehow be inferior. that was just his= take on statistics, I s'pose, and had no real grounding in terms of the st= ate of fender's QC in the late sixties- it was only later that CBS decided = to run the plant like a furniture factory. the early CBS fenders, up to abo= ut 1972, are perfectly good guitars, and the design improvements made there= after are only occasionally cancelled out by the poor construction that the= 70s fenders are all accused of. things didn't really go bad until about 19= 76, and then only until 1981-2.

and as for JMH's marshall setup- it was simply expedient = to have all the knobs turned right up and control everything from the guita= r. other musicians do similar things- steve harris of iron maiden has the t= one control of his precision bypassed and has his tech works to coded hand = movements instead, while lemmy has the pickups in his rickenbacker hardwire= d to the output socket, missing out all the knobs.

duncan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan [= mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com]
Sent: 01 October 2003 00:25
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod)


I believe it was in a book I borrowed from the library, i= nterviewing
Mitch Mitchell over the rise of the Hendrix Experience. = I'm afraid I
can't remember who the tech person in question was.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:49 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod)


oh my biz, very interesting @ least to me-i try to see ev= erything on
JIMI since the early days and dont remember this particu= lar thing.
questions:
who tech guy? do you mean roger mayer or eddie kramer or= ?
where did you see this?
is it available on line?
thanx
s

>
> I read an interview with Jimi Hendrix's tech guy, w= ho had to re-wire
> the middle eq pot on his marshall stack, because He= ndrix preferred his

> sound with the center scooped, but wouldn't play unl= ess all the knobs
> were set at full...
>
> bIz
>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3880F.BAE4F540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 08:48:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91CkQm29123; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:46:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c38819$fdb9d480$715af7a5@D9MS6F11> From: "The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB5B6@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Adrenalinn Groove box Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:46:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C387F8.75A91400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C387F8.75A91400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: hendrix tech guyHi folks, i just noticed that the Roger Linn = Adrenalinn Groove box for guitar is on sale cheap at Guitar Center. = Anyone have any experience with this thing? Is it worth $219 for us = loopy loopers? Thanks, JB ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C387F8.75A91400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: hendrix tech guy
Hi folks, i just noticed that the Roger = Linn=20 Adrenalinn Groove box for guitar is on sale cheap at Guitar = Center.  Anyone=20 have any experience with this thing?  Is it worth $219 for us loopy = loopers?
 
Thanks,
JB
 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C387F8.75A91400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 11:17:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91FEir17577; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:14:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1065000923.3f7a9fdb73d6b@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <1065000923.3f7a9fdb73d6b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:14:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any reason why they didn't put this w/ the guitar v-amp? don't they know guitarist's like to loop too? s--- >has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo Pro-style >"loop sampler" in it? it's only like 15 1/2 seconds, but it does have >half-speed and reverse. > >it also has a simple DSP synth that tracks the input. no you cannot >use both at >the same time. > >wild. > >i might just have to look into that. >--- >Eric Williamson >www.suitandtieguy.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 11:39:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91FNE518566; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9.199d3385.2cac4b53@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:22:59 EDT Subject: Re: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo Pro-style > "loop sampler" in it? yes, and posted about it, ignore my posts again at your peril :-) > it's only like 15 1/2 seconds, but it does have > half-speed and reverse. only accessible by midi control, and no overdubs > > it also has a simple DSP synth that tracks the input. no you cannot use both > at > the same time. but apparently there's a completet MIDI bass synth in there as well > > wild. > and the manual doesn't tell you how it works, you can only guess by looking at the MIDI spec. Whether hitting play will stop record and start playback remains to be seen. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 15:37:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91JWmJ17617; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:32:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1065036767.3f7b2bdf2bad5@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:32:47 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp References: <9.199d3385.2cac4b53@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9.199d3385.2cac4b53@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting SoundFNR@aol.com: > quoting me: > > has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo > Pro-style "loop sampler" in it? > > yes, and posted about it, ignore my posts again at your peril :-) pardon me, i haven't been keeping up. i saw that right before i went to bed and it was like a mind4uck. the two options for looping with digital output and wordclock: Behringer and Eventide. well weird. i'm off to the Apple Store to pick up my powerbook. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 16:43:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91KdvM25468; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:39:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F7B3EA1.A32B6A8D@erols.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:52:49 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrenalinn Groove box References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB5B6@LON-MAIL07> <001801c38819$fdb9d480$715af7a5@D9MS6F11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable It's absolutely worth it. Particularly if you use MIDI clock. The Adrenalinn synch well to MIDI clock. I use it all of the time. Beat sycned tremolo, Flange and Filter sequences. Highly recommended. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 16:53:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91KnFl26913; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031001203809.61996.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1065036767.3f7b2bdf2bad5@www.suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Eric Williamson wrote: > Quoting SoundFNR@aol.com: > > quoting me: > > > has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo > > Pro-style "loop sampler" in it? > the two options for looping with digital output and wordclock: Behringer and > Eventide. My friend recently got a Bass Vamp Pro and he said it was very noisy. As he researched it online, he found a lot of reviews that said the same thing. He's sending it back. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 19:57:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91Nsef16849; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:54:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <50.22d0ffd4.2cacc32f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:54:23 EDT Subject: new album To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all I have just put a new album of recent work up at CD Baby. It is a CD-r with the title: tilting@windmills Audio clips and info at: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The music is made mostly with experimental thumb pianos, broken guitars and toy keyboards. There is a lot of looping, primarily using the Boss RC-20 and the original version of the Kaoss Pad. regards BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 20:18:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h920F6719175; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:15:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:15:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3109 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:15:57 +0900 Subject: Operation of Echoplex From: Shin-ichi Imamura To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3147066957_228175" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3147066957_228175 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have an Echoplex EP2. The tape inside was damaged. So I purchased Jim Dunlop reissue tape. I, however, do not realize how to set the tape. Can I get a copy of instruction mannual of Echoplex EP2? Thank you. Shin-ichi --B_3147066957_228175 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Operation of Echoplex I have an Echoplex EP2.
The tape inside was damaged.
So I purchased Jim Dunlop reissue tape.
I, however, do not realize how to set the tape.
Can I get a copy of instruction mannual of Echoplex EP2?
Thank you.

            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;        Shin-ichi --B_3147066957_228175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 02:34:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h926Sn625056; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 02:28:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 02:28:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Fabio Pianigiani To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: <9RvXVC.A.ZHG.hW8e_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 09:02:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92D0Dg29234; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:00:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:00:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.152.196.55] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:00:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 13:00:06.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A4C9260:01C388E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into club’s bass amp Cheers LOU >From: Fabio Pianigiani >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 > >Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 14:09:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92I3kl08301; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:05:20 +0200 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Fabio Pianigiani To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h92I3iU08276 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is he using a computer in live concerts? Thank you,Fabio Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: > I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, > digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into > clubís bass amp > Cheers > LOU > > > >> From: Fabio Pianigiani >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >> >> Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >> Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it > now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 14:31:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92IP5m11525; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:25:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:25:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:23:33 -0400 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <87CC6B38-F505-11D7-B62C-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h92IP4U11500 Resent-Message-ID: <2Fq-b.A.-zC.B2Gf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as mike peters stated in a recent post, e# uses a godin electric/acoustic 6-string feeding into a mac laptop using grm tools plugins, which are hosted by a max/msp vst patch. the show i saw in nyc at issue project room was great - he did a 'straight' acoustic set and then one with the computer manipulations. i also look forward to getting the new cd, velocity of hue. warped blues have never sounded better. i saw in a recent issue of 'the wire' that he's touring england with hubert sumlin. cool. cheers bruce On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 02:05 PM, Fabio Pianigiani wrote: > Is he using a computer in live concerts? > Thank you,Fabio > Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: > >> I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, >> digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into >> clubís bass amp >> Cheers >> LOU >> >> >> >>> From: Fabio Pianigiani >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >>> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >>> >>> Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >>> Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try >> it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com >> > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 15:05:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92Iv6m16938; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:57:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.168.38.11] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:56:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 18:57:00.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5C65ED0:01C38916] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It really depends on the music or project he is doing. Bruce & I saw different concerts & they was some very different setups . A good place to check is his road diary here: http://w1.311.telia.com/~u31113551/road03.html cheers Louis >From: Fabio Pianigiani >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:05:20 +0200 > >Is he using a computer in live concerts? >Thank you,Fabio >Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: > >>I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, >>digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into >>clubís bass amp >>Cheers >>LOU >> >> >> >>>From: Fabio Pianigiani >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >>>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >>> >>>Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >>>Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now >>FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com >> > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 15:40:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92JZr022744; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:35:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:35:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: WOT: Looking for looper/digital artist/musician/cool person to join me in a cool two bedroom in SF Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:35:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 19:35:46.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[6086C340:01C3891C] Resent-Message-ID: <8WVVlC.A.PjF.Z4Hf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I'm looking for a fellow looper to join me in the 2 bedroom condo I'm moving into this month. It's going to be $825/month, in the southern part of SF - great for commuters, or if you like easy access to everywhere SF. Nice open place, with your own bathroom. Of special interest: - I'll be converting a spacious walk in closet into a vocal/recording booth. I already have a decent mic/pre signal chain. Other upgrade to be determined, though I'm pretty much free to do whatever I like with the place. - We could set up our gear in the dining room, and finally have bedrooms that weren't full of gear. - Most importantly, we'll have group motivation for both of us to stop noodling and finishing things we've started. Does this sound interesting to you, or someone you know? Here are some quick pictures: http://www.groovetronica.com/condo And a map: http://tinyurl.com/phjg I've appended my craigslist post below. Thanks! bIz ---------------------------------- About the place: Approximately 1,000 sq. ft 2 bed/2 bath condo, top floor, corner unit (windows, everywhere, neighbours only one side), cathedral ceilings (about 15'), very bright, open and clean. It has a small deck for barbecuing and plants. Washer and dryer, gas stove, nice clean fridge. The unit is only a few years old, and feels it. Street parking is plentiful - we are right near Crocker Amazon park, so there are long stretches of 'open' parking spots. The room: Bright and open, with it's own bathroom, wide windows, and a closet. The location: Crocker-Amazon, on the Geneva/Ocean Ave corridor. 1/2 a block from Crocker-Amazon and McClaren park. Less than a mile from Caltrain station, 101 and 280 freeways, the tail end of mission, groceries, City College and SF State. It's perfectly situated if you have a job in the south bay, (or downtown - Caltrain runs both ways), but, like me, still want to experience everything that the city has to offer. My daily commute to Sunnyvale is under an hour by car, when I take it. I usually take the train, which is a little longer, but more convenient. The major throughways are so close that almost any part of the city from the Sunset to SOMA are a minutes away. The east bay is just as near - you have your choice of 280 or 101, to the bay bridge so you avoid the city snarl. Me: - I work as a video producer for a high tech company in the south bay. I spend most of my free time writing music and scoring independent shorts and films. - Vegetarian, not offended by the sight of meat. - Easy going english guy. You: Calm, collected, financially stable. Mellow girls are encouraged to apply (My last set of housemates (all girls) and girlfriend can attest to my house brokenness :>) However, I'm open to all genders/ages/races/sexual persuasions - just be a fun room mate. 420 is fine, though I don't do much myself - too much going on in my life :> I'm not to keen on tobacco smoke though. Relaxed cats and dogs are very welcome - I love pets, when they are someone else's. The place is a bit small for a large dog though. Rent would be $825/month, plus your share of garbage and utilities. Move in would be first and last, plus $500 security. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 16:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92KnMp01822; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:49:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:49:18 -0400 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h92KnMU01799 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com louis is correct, elliot is a man of many talents. bass clarinet, 8 string bass, guitar, laptop are all things i've seen him play, and play quite well. b On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Louis Rossi wrote: > It really depends on the music or project he is doing. Bruce & I saw > different concerts & they was some very different setups . A good > place to check is his road diary here: > > http://w1.311.telia.com/~u31113551/road03.html > > > cheers > Louis > > >> From: Fabio Pianigiani >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:05:20 +0200 >> >> Is he using a computer in live concerts? >> Thank you,Fabio >> Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: >> >>> I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, >>> digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into >>> clubís bass amp >>> Cheers >>> LOU >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Fabio Pianigiani >>>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >>>> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >>>> >>>> Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >>>> Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try >>> it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com >>> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! > http://msnmessenger-download.com > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 17:44:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92LWUD09444; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:34:31 +0200 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Fabio Pianigiani To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <353CCBD6-F520-11D7-80C3-000393D7E036@tin.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h92LWTU09411 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank You Fabio Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 20:56 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: > It really depends on the music or project he is doing. Bruce & I saw > different concerts & they was some very different setups . A good > place to check is his road diary here: > > http://w1.311.telia.com/~u31113551/road03.html > > > cheers > Louis > > >> From: Fabio Pianigiani >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:05:20 +0200 >> >> Is he using a computer in live concerts? >> Thank you,Fabio >> GiovedĎ, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: >> >>> I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, >>> digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into >>> clubĚs bass amp >>> Cheers >>> LOU >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Fabio Pianigiani >>>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >>>> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >>>> >>>> Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >>>> Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try >>> it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com >>> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! > http://msnmessenger-download.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 22:30:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h932NU113489; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:23:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:23:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200309302333.h8UNXH011841@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:22:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am 50 years old today. I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my birth. If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life will be a perfect loop. See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival tomorrow night (Friday) (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello Moi dayglo green plastic yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 23:22:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h933GZU19787; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:17:56 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c3895c$f0a75300$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations, Rick! I'm due to hit the five-0 this coming February. Wish I could be there tomorrow. Loop On! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! I am 50 years old today. I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my birth. If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life will be a perfect loop. See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival tomorrow night (Friday) (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello Moi dayglo green plastic yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 01:21:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h935IfJ03443; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:32 EDT Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <-bJxOD.A.s1.xaQf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy Life Day, Rick~ May it be an endless loop of joy, and when you wake up out of the dream at the end, may The Real Fun begin... Timothy In a message dated 10/2/03 7:24:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > I am 50 years old today. > > I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm > going to start the countdown back to my > birth. > > If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life > will be a perfect loop. > > See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival > tomorrow night (Friday) > (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of > funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) > JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello > Moi dayglo green plastic > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > --part1_7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Life Day, Rick~

May it be an endless loop of joy, and when you wake up out of the dream at t= he end, may The Real Fun begin...

Timothy



In a message dated 10/2/03 7:24:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, looppool@cruzio= .com writes:

I am 50 years old today.

I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my
birth.

If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life will be a perfect loop.

See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival
tomorrow night (Friday)
(8:30 p.m. sharp!    $5-$10 sliding scale   noone t= urned away for lack of
funds   964 NATOMA   in the Soma district)
JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating        &= nbsp;  Zoe Keating solo cello
Moi   dayglo green plastic


yours,   Rick Walker




 --part1_7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 03:32:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h937UJZ19988; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 03:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 03:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:28:37 -0700 Subject: FW: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! From: Stan Card To: looper people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey you younguns-"five-0" aint nothin but the nickname for a great ol tv show...and police code for ?? congrats, good luck and all that stuff for makin it so far loopon&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on%om s > Congratulations, Rick! > > I'm due to hit the five-0 this coming February. > > Wish I could be there tomorrow. > > Loop On! > > Dennis Leas > ----------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! > > > I am 50 years old today. > > I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm > going to start the countdown back to my > birth. > > If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life > will be a perfect loop. > > See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival > tomorrow night (Friday) > (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of > funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) > JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello > Moi dayglo green plastic > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 07:23:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93BJhE19073; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:19:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:19:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c389a0$3867df50$f855f7a5@D9MS6F11> From: "The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster" To: References: <200309302333.h8UNXH011841@hemlock.violacea.com> <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Subject: Re: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:19:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congrats Rick. Seems like there's a lot of us in this age cluster. Must be that Baby Boom thing we keep hearing about. I've got another year to go. We's still young'uns. Jeff Bragg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! > I am 50 years old today. > > I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm > going to start the countdown back to my > birth. > > If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life > will be a perfect loop. > > See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival > tomorrow night (Friday) > (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of > funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) > JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello > Moi dayglo green plastic > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 08:17:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93CDwZ27963; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:13:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1065183010!3386829 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533A70@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Adrenalinn Groove box Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:05:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C389A6.AA055B00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C389A6.AA055B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>It's absolutely worth it. Particularly if you use MIDI clock. The Adrenalinn synch well to MIDI clock. I use it all of the time. Beat sycned tremolo, Flange and Filter sequences. Highly recommended.<< great amp sims, nice filter- hardly surprising with it's design pedigree. I went from mk1 to mk2 with a simple chipchange, just about doubled it's functionality in ten minutes. one of the better midi-clocked delays too; no glitching. why doesn't somebody make a simple delay box, not a multi-effects unit but a simple delay, stompbox even, that can take a midi clock? it's obviously do-able, and cheaply- the electribes from korg work just fine, but the same function in my boss sx700 and in several more elaborate modules is lousy with glitches even when driven directly from solid clocks like mmt8 or hr16. the little korg will stay locked w/ no glitches no matter how many other boxes the clock goes through first. still toying w/ the idea of a midi>tap tempo converter for the DL4. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C389A6.AA055B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Adrenalinn Groove box

>>It's absolutely worth it.  Particularly if y= ou use MIDI clock.  The
Adrenalinn synch well to MIDI clock.  I use it all = of the time.  Beat
sycned tremolo, Flange and Filter sequences.  Highl= y recommended.<<

great amp sims, nice filter- hardly surprising with it's = design pedigree. I went from mk1 to mk2 with a simple chipchange, just abou= t doubled it's functionality in ten minutes.

one of the better midi-clocked delays too; no glitching. = why doesn't somebody make a simple delay box, not a multi-effects unit but = a simple delay, stompbox even, that can take a midi clock? it's obviously d= o-able, and cheaply- the electribes from korg work just fine, but the same = function in my boss sx700 and in several more elaborate modules is lousy wi= th glitches even when driven directly from solid clocks like mmt8 or hr16. = the little korg will stay locked w/ no glitches no matter how many other bo= xes the clock goes through first.

still toying w/ the idea of a midi>tap tempo converter= for the DL4.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C389A6.AA055B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 09:07:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93D30j02618; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F7D737B.5020701@biink.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:02:51 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! References: <200309302333.h8UNXH011841@hemlock.violacea.com> <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> In-Reply-To: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <46f2JD.A.0o.EOXf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >I am 50 years old today. > >I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm >going to start the countdown back to my >birth. > The Hobart Phase! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 12:47:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93Geum07702; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:40:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1146923247==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <1FAy_D.A.P4B.Yaaf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1146923247==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ciao a tutti just a question to a small problem I've noticed that on the new G5 Mac there's a digital audio input; This most probably means that if I use a machine that has a digital audio out I could bypass an audio interface and bringing the digital signal to any audio software in the computer by the internal soundmanager It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors I have, digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? Seams a bit OT but think to your repetear... thanks ciao b:k --============_-1146923247==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question...
ciao a tutti


just a question to a small problem

I've noticed that on the new G5 Mac there's a digital audio input;

This most probably means that if I use a machine
that has a digital audio out I could bypass an audio interface and
bringing the digital signal to any audio software in the computer
by the internal soundmanager


It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but
the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors I have,
digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF.

I think Apple should have been takin' care of that...

Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical?

Seams a bit OT but think to your repetear...

thanks

ciao

b:k


--============_-1146923247==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 12:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93Gplg09766; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:51:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:51:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:53:07 -0500 Subject: Re: OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-993441829 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <105395A3-F5C2-11D7-A2AC-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-993441829 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed M-Audio makes a little device called a Co3 that does SPDIF optical to coax (actually it does all direction of all three connection types: Coax, TOS-Link, and AES/EBU) On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 11:40 AM, bruno kleinefeld wrote: > ciao a tutti > > > just a question to a small problem > > I've noticed that on the new G5 Mac there's a digital audio input; > > This most probably means that if I use a machine > that has a digital audio out I could bypass an audio interface and > bringing the digital signal to any audio software in the computer > by the internal soundmanager > > > It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but > the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio > processors I have, > digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. > > I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... > > Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital > audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? > > Seams a bit OT but think to your repetear... > > thanks > > ciao > > b:k > > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-2-993441829 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII M-Audio makes a little device called a Co3 that does SPDIF optical to coax (actually it does all direction of all three connection types: Coax, TOS-Link, and AES/EBU) On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 11:40 AM, bruno kleinefeld wrote: ciao a tutti just a question to a small problem I've noticed that on the new G5 Mac there's a digital audio input; This most probably means that if I use a machine that has a digital audio out I could bypass an audio interface and bringing the digital signal to any audio software in the computer by the internal soundmanager It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors I have, digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? Seams a bit OT but think to your repetear... thanks ciao b:k -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-2-993441829-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 13:49:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93HjoT19072; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031003104354.04104e90@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:49:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:40 AM 10/3/2003, bruno kleinefeld wrote: >It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but >the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors >I have, >digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. > >I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... > >Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital >audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? the optical version of SPDIF is created by running the electrical spdif signal through a simple opto-coupler. They are the same signaling protocol, so there is nothing to it really. The part is a very simple, cheap thing, so I would guess there are many people who make little convertors between the two. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 14:33:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93IUHY25512; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:30:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F7DC004.7FFA83C@pixar.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:29:24 -0700 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question... References: <5.1.1.6.2.20031003104354.04104e90@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1vro7C.A.fOG.5Acf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are. Midiman and hosa are two companies that sell cheap spdif optical/copper converters. The advantage Apple saw in the optical was avoiding ground connexions between the CPU and the analog audio realm, which is potentially significant. -Alex S. Kim Flint wrote: > > At 09:40 AM 10/3/2003, bruno kleinefeld wrote: > >It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but > >the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors > >I have, > >digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. > > > >I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... > > > >Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital > >audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? > > the optical version of SPDIF is created by running the electrical spdif > signal through a simple opto-coupler. They are the same signaling protocol, > so there is nothing to it really. The part is a very simple, cheap thing, > so I would guess there are many people who make little convertors between > the two. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 22:04:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9422N122304; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:02:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:02:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.179.236] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BOSS OC2 pedal query Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:02:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2003 02:02:17.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[89910AC0:01C38A1B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, a slightly off topic post but seeing as i use this pedal with my looping gear I thought I would start here. I have just "upgraded" my Danelectro Octave pedal for a super posh new Boss OC-2 pedal, the problem Im having with it is it seems WAY to quiet. I am using it to make Faux-bass lines on 100% -1 octave with the rest switched off. Is there any way that I can tweak the pots to get more volume, at the moment I am getting a drop in volume from the pure bypassed guitar volume. I sold my danelectro pedal cos it was a little qlitchy in the tracking but by comparason I think I prefared to at least hear what Im playing. as always, all responses apreciated. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 22:24:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h942KVh24201; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <198.207e1d1c.2caf8863@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:20:19 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS OC2 pedal query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/3/03 7:02:53 PM, testtubemicro@hotmail.com writes: << Is there any way that I can tweak the pots to get more volume, at the moment I am getting a drop in volume from the pure bypassed guitar volume. >> Are you using a preamp? BobC check out: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 00:59:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h944utZ11641; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:56:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:56:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c38a35$3178b580$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents MCF Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 01:05:56 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's exciting to announce, after years of requests, that the first compilation of music from Ambient Ping artists is now here! Read rik maclean's *ping things* section, later in this e-mail, for more information on "PiNG AMBiENCE" and also visit http://www.corpusnet.com/rikstuff/pingthings/PTfeaturesNF.htm for an extensive interview with Jamie Todd, myself and the CD's mixer Rich Baker, as we discuss some of the Ping's history, many memorable performances and why Batman is cooler than James Bond... Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 7th - MCF Since their last show at the Ping on January 21st, MCF have been continuing to refine their sound. This performance (which will include some exciting visuals as well) will feature Michael Keith on laptop as well as some guitar and David Sait on electric guitar and looper. Their sound has been described as "not unlike a mix of the glitch rhythms of Autechre and the trance-like guitar parts of Mogwai". http://www.michaelkeith.com Between Sets CD - "The New Tribes EP" by Michael Mage A beguiling journey through the darker side of ambience - from soundscapes to ritualistic percussion. The CD also comes with "A Celebration of Ceremonies Past" - a book of poetry which compliments the ideas put forth in the music. http://www.michaelmage.net . (Available @ ping things) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 14th - Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne www.beefterminal.com www.listen.to/aidan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "PiNG AMBiENCE" by Various Artists As most of you know, every Tuesday night in Toronto THE AMBiENT PiNG hosts some of the best live electronic music around, featuring both local & international performers. Every night is exciting and unique in it's own way and as a result it's earned a very positive reputation in both the Toronto music scene and around the world. And now the PiNG is poised to become even more highly regarded with the release of PiNG AMBiENCE, a compilation CD put together by Rich Baker of Cymbl and ARC who is also a frequent guest on Tuesday nights. This disc brings together a number of artists who have become PiNG regulars (both as performers and as attendees) in a long form mix designed to give listeners a taste of what the PiNG is all about. Featuring such luminaries in the scene as dreamSTATE, Sylken, ARC and cheryl o, PiNG AMBiENCE is a fine example of the music that has made THE AMBiENT PiNG so highly regarded. Featuring a variety of tones, emotions, textures, PiNG AMBiENCE is sure to bring more attention to what is fast becoming one of the most exciting and vital electronic music scenes going. (Available now @ ping things) http://www.pingthings.com rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 05:08:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9495Jk13249; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:05:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:05:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c38a56$5e806840$65e65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #341 for October 2, 2003 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:03:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38A34.CAC2C380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38A34.CAC2C380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #341 October 2, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Michael Stearns, who will = be appearing at the Gatherings Concert Series on October 4. The Featured = CD at Midnight was "Collected Ambient and Textural Works 1977-1987" on the = Fathom label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "The Man Machine" by Kraftwerk on = Capitol records. Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct The Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Kraftwerk The Robots The Man Machine = (Capitol) The Mojave Wind Nipton Meditation Ricochet Gathering = Mojave 2003 Demo Sessions (none) Jan Hanner Darkness/Earth In The First Seven = (Columbia) Search Of A Sun The Sound Sphere The Groove in Factored E (none) Syndicate Snowglobvia Bluetech Leaving Babylon Prima Materia = (Waveform) VA [Dweller at the Ouroborus Part 2 Different Skies 2003 = (Atomic Threshold] City) Steve Roach Structures from Silence Space and Time = (Projekt) 12:00 am Michael Stearns Elysian E CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns M'Ocean CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Morning CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Ancient Leaves CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Subterranean Ambiance CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Rivers of Rhythm CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Vivki's Dance CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Jewel CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Night Currents CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns The Dragon's Dream World CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Desert Moon Walk CA&TW (Fathom) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Michael = Stearns who will be appearing at the Gatherings Concert Series on October 4. The = Featured CD at Midnight will be "Collected Thematic Works 1977 - 1987" on the = Fathom label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on Vertigo Records. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38A34.CAC2C380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #341       =20             October 2, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Michael = Stearns,=20 who will be
appearing at the Gatherings Concert Series on October = 4. =20 The Featured CD at
Midnight was "Collected Ambient and Textural Works = 1977-1987" on the Fathom
label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "The Man Machine" by Kraftwerk on = Capitol
records.
 
Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct
Th= e=20 Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Kraftwerk         &nbs= p;    =20 The=20 Robots           &= nbsp;  =20 The Man Machine (Capitol)
The Mojave=20 Wind         Nipton=20 Meditation        Ricochet Gathering = Mojave=20 2003
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Demo Sessions (none)
Jan=20 Hanner           &= nbsp; =20 Darkness/Earth In        The First = Seven=20 (Columbia)
          = ;            =    =20 Search Of A Sun
The Sound = Sphere       =20 The Groove = in           =20 Factored E (none)
 =20 Syndicate          &nbs= p;   =20 Snowglobvia
Bluetech        &n= bsp;      =20 Leaving Babylon          = Prima=20 Materia (Waveform)
VA [Dweller at the      = Ouroborus=20 Part 2         Different Skies = 2003=20 (Atomic
 =20 Threshold]          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 City)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Structures from Silence  Space and Time (Projekt)
 
12:00 am
Michael = Stearns        =20 Elysian=20 E            =    =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 M'Ocean           =       =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Morning           =       =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Ancient=20 Leaves           = CA&TW=20 (Fathom)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Subterranean Ambiance    CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Rivers of=20 Rhythm         CA&TW=20 (Fathom)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Vivki's = Dance           =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Jewel           &n= bsp;       =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Night=20 Currents           = CA&TW=20 (Fathom)
Michael = Stearns         The=20 Dragon's Dream World CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Desert Moon=20 Walk         CA&TW = (Fathom)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Michael Stearns who
will be appearing at the Gatherings Concert = Series on=20 October 4.  The Featured
CD at Midnight will be "Collected = Thematic=20 Works 1977 - 1987" on the Fathom
label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on=20 Vertigo
Records.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38A34.CAC2C380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 05:41:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h949di918070; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:39:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:39:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c38a5b$b84e44a0$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Subject: Re: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:38:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am 50 years old today. > yours, Rick Walker HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Hope you have a marvelllous day, and here's to another 50 years of tireless promotion of creative music around the world! :o) Take Care Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 06:39:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94AbcV26003; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:37:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 19:37:44 +0900 Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200310040459.h944xV812006@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com way to go Rick! best, os. On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 01:59 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > Date: Fri Oct 3, 2003 11:22:02 AM Asia/Tokyo > To: > Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! > > > I am 50 years old today. > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 07:50:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94BgGm32356; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> References: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:42:00 +0200 To: From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tanti auguri a te tanti auguri a te tanti auguri, caro Rick... tanti auguri a te!!! ... does anybody know the music? :-)) ciao Rick >I am 50 years old today. > >I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm >going to start the countdown back to my >birth. > >If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life >will be a perfect loop. > >See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival >tomorrow night (Friday) >(8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of >funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) >JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello >Moi dayglo green plastic > > >yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 08:32:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94CUF904507; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:30:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:30:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c38a73$1005e600$6462f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310040459.h944xV912009@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:28:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did not want to post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down. This is the schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Participants please send me confirmation that you have recieved this information ASAP, please...................and thank you. The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling changes. Both JHNO and Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment (Aaron's brother was in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that disrupted everything and I still don't know why JHNO didn't play). Luckily, Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky to do two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg and with Zoe..............I had the best time and now I feel like I can put the Dayglo Green mega-piece to bed for a while. Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for hosting us and for being so supportive of the fringe musical arts in San Francisco.!!! yours, Rick Walker THE Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL featuring 32 continuous live looping performances by artists from all over the United States and California with special guest artist: GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, UK) \\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th, 11th and 12th/////// Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) 1100 Soque Avenue, Santa Cruz, California admission: $10/day $20/three day pass no one turned away for lack of funds Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL FULL SCHEDULE: Friday Night, October 10th "NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS" 8:00 p.m. MIKE BIFFLE (Miko B) 8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS 9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG 9:30 p.m. TED KILLIAN 10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED ARTIST) Saturday Afternoon, October 11th 1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST) 2:30 p.m. DARYAIE KOOROSH 3:00 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO 3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE 4:00 p.m. RICK WALKER 4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON 5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER 5:30 p.m. TIMOTHY CROWE Saturday Night, October 11th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith) 8:30 p.m. WAYNE JACKSON 9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN 9:30 p.m. MAX VALENTINO 10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED ARTIST) Sunday afternoon, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie status) 2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR 3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary Lehman) 3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE 4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan Card) 4:30 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON 5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri) 5:30 p.m. JOHN WHOOLEY Sunday evening, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA 8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO (FEATURED ARTIST) 9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST 9:30 p.m. JIMMY GEORGE 10:00 p.m. Loop.pooL ************************************************************************** for more information and interview requests and journalistic enquiries contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter) 831-425-8659 rickwalker@looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 11:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94EvRr22368; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.10 (webedge20-101-191-20030113) From: To: Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:57:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at web02-imail.rogers.com from [127.0.0.1] using ID at Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:57:13 -0400 Message-Id: <20031004145713.FYYU430578.web02-imail.rogers.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations Rick. I'm a year-and-a-half away myself. I wish I could've made your performance, but: a) I get the digest, and so didn't see your post until this morning (Saturday). b) Even if I'd seen it at the time, I live in Toronto and, though the Concorde passed through here earlier in the week, it wasn't headed your way. So, to make up for it, I'll pull out that disc you sent me some time ago and play some of it on the radio show this Sunday evening. All the best to ya! -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:22 PM I am 50 years old today. James Bailey host: Electric Storm / A Missing Sense CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto www.ckln.fm electricstorm@ckln.fm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 12:11:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94G9VV04391; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:09:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.1a474bfa.2cb04aa8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:09:12 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got it.....hey rickeeeeee, whats the weather like so i can dress correctly?.....s.g. AKA : POSH WILLIE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 12:16:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94GD8F05016; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:13:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:13:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:13:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Oberheim EDP problem From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my oberheim edp is now constantly showing pulse activity on the input led (nothing is plugged in on the edp), and there is no sound coming through. all the looping functions seem to work as expected, there is just no sound. i cleaned the input and output pots with contact cleaner to no avail. kim, any idea? i suppose gibson still supports the oberheim branded edp's, yes? or is there a tech who knows those machines on the us east coast (i live in rural maine)? thanks in advance, laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 15:35:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94JW6j04093; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:32:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:32:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031004123428.029e9150@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:35:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my idea is you should contact gibson's customer service and get it fixed. kim At 09:13 AM 10/4/2003, Laurent Brondel wrote: >my oberheim edp is now constantly showing pulse activity on the input led >(nothing is plugged in on the edp), and there is no sound coming through. >all the looping functions seem to work as expected, there is just no >sound. i cleaned the input and output pots with contact cleaner to no >avail. kim, any idea? i suppose gibson still supports the oberheim branded >edp's, yes? or is there a tech who knows those machines on the us east >coast (i live in rural maine)? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 15:49:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94JmVP06107; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:48:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:00:16 +0200 Subject: electrix repeater wanted From: To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let me know. Thank's Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 16:56:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94KsA314748; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:53:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi, >I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let >me know. As an alternative, have you considered the Line 6 Filter Pro? I think it absolutely nails the Electrix Repeater sound used in U2's "Elevation", so my initial thoughts are that the model is quite good. Maybe it's another option for you? Just a thought. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 17:11:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94L8JY17303; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:13:17 +0000 Subject: Life v4.... (was I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!!) From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148150397_289466_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148150397_289466_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit .... not forgetting DirectMIDI A of A# for those moments you'd rather redo..... Best wishes j jeremy www.masse.org.uk 07941 428 122 ---------- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Fri, Oct 3, 2003, 2:22 am I am 50 years old today. I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my birth. If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life will be a perfect loop. See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival tomorrow night (Friday) (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello Moi dayglo green plastic yours, Rick Walker --MS_Mac_OE_3148150397_289466_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Life v4.... (was I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!!) .... not forgetting DirectMIDI A of A# for those moments you'd rather redo.= ....

Best wishes

j


jeremy
www.masse.org.uk
07941 428 122

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From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: OT:   I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!!
Date: Fri, Oct 3, 2003, 2:22 am


I am 50 years old today.

I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my
birth.

If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life<= BR> will be a perfect loop.

See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival
tomorrow night (Friday)
(8:30 p.m. sharp!      $5-$10 sliding scale  =  noone turned away for lack of
funds   964 NATOMA   in the Soma district)
JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating         = ;          Zoe Keating sol= o cello
Moi    dayglo green plastic


yours,   Rick Walker









--MS_Mac_OE_3148150397_289466_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 17:34:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94LVhK21821; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:31:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:31:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:31:37 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22D83AD8-F6B2-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps you should just buy a 72 Ford Falcon as it has many of the same chemical compounds in it's makeup and it's quite a stylish car if you like that sort of thing. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 01:53 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale >> please let >> me know. > > As an alternative, have you considered the Line 6 Filter Pro? I think > it absolutely nails the Electrix Repeater sound used in U2's > "Elevation", so my initial thoughts are that the model is quite good. > Maybe it's another option for you? Just a thought. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 17:47:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94Lirw25441; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22D83AD8-F6B2-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <22D83AD8-F6B2-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:44:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Perhaps you should just buy a 72 Ford Falcon as it has many of the >same chemical compounds in it's makeup and it's quite a stylish car >if you like that sort of thing. Perhaps you should go back to grammar school and learn the difference between "it's" and "its", jack ass. :) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 17:51:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94Lmm826280; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:48:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:53:46 +0000 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148152827_435641_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148152827_435641_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi there, What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you? Best wishes j ---------- From: To: Subject: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm Hi, I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let me know. Thank's Christian --MS_Mac_OE_3148152827_435641_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: electrix repeater wanted Hi there,

What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you?

Best wishes

j

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From: <gobag@telia.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: electrix repeater wanted
Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm


Hi,
I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let=
me know.
Thank's
Christian





--MS_Mac_OE_3148152827_435641_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:04:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94M37828565; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:03:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:03:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:03:04 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8738B05C-F6B6-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fuck you! On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 02:44 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> Perhaps you should just buy a 72 Ford Falcon as it has many of the >> same chemical compounds in it's makeup and it's quite a stylish car >> if you like that sort of thing. > > Perhaps you should go back to grammar school and learn the difference > between "it's" and "its", jack ass. :) > > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:05:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94M41L28924; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c38ac3$39252fa0$c564f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310042111.h94LB5x17612@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K3 weather conditions Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:02:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fall has just started to move in so the days are warm still and the nights brisk (but not buy East Coast standards). That being said, Indian Summer frequently brings the hottest days of the year and it can be completely unpredictable so bring layers of clothing and prepare to strip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol, Rick, the Looping Hippy Weatherman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:16:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94MDsO31012; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:13:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:13:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c38ac4$b4d532c0$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: References: <8738B05C-F6B6-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:13:11 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2Vt6ID.A.bkH.iY0f_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please cool down guys and Mr. Jeff Shirkey please watch your language and your attitude. Best regards, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: 05 Ekim 2003 Pazar 01:03 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted > Fuck you! > On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 02:44 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > >> Perhaps you should just buy a 72 Ford Falcon as it has many of the > >> same chemical compounds in it's makeup and it's quite a stylish car > >> if you like that sort of thing. > > > > Perhaps you should go back to grammar school and learn the difference > > between "it's" and "its", jack ass. :) > > > > > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:16:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94MCTd30616; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8738B05C-F6B6-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <8738B05C-F6B6-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:12:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Fuck you! Aw, I'm so sorry. The big, bad bully got a taste of his own medicine. Well, boo hoo, hoo. Sniff, sniff... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:21:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94MJxs32669; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:19:58 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The original message is looking for a Repeater not a Filter Factory. Mark on 10/4/03 1:53 PM, Jeff Shirkey at jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let >> me know. > > As an alternative, have you considered the Line 6 Filter Pro? I think > it absolutely nails the Electrix Repeater sound used in U2's > "Elevation", so my initial thoughts are that the model is quite good. > Maybe it's another option for you? Just a thought. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:32:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94MUnD02507; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:30:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The original message is looking for a Repeater not a Filter Factory. > Ah, thank you. My bad! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 20:09:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95070u15854; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:07:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:07:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RANE SM-82 MIXER FS Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:06:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2003 00:06:53.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[954283D0:01C38AD4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RANE SM-82 One Space Line Mixer FS $300+S/H New they sell for $450 thanks -matt _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 20:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h950ak019122; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:36:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:36:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c38ad8$8fd55e00$1f61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310040459.h944xV912009@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Max Valentino and the Featured Artist Status at Y2K3 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:35:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, In a frantic scramble to rearrange the schedule for the Y2K3 Live Looping Festival next weekend I accidentally forgot to transfer the fact that Max Valentino is one of our featured artists this year. Max will be playing at 9:30 p.m. on Saturday, October 11th. I really wanted to honor Max (and several loopers this year) with a featured artist designation. Each one of them has a special reason why I thought they deserved to be specially recognized but Max has been really aggressive about promoting live looping in the Bakersfield/Tehachipi area and other places in Southern California. Not only is he a wonderful artist but he is also a prolific teacher and is turning young artists on to what we do all the time. ************************************************* You know, Mark Sottilaro, took me to task for having a featured artist categorization this year. I wanted to explain where I'm coming from so everyone knows. Firstly, the designation is NOT A COMPETITION, but an acknowledgement. If I continue to do this festival (which I hope to do), I will be rotating this award. I just realized that there are several people (includingartists who will perform this year who did not recieve that small accolade) who are really doing important work in their live looping acts. I also was inspired by Hans Lindauer's spicing up Looptock this year with a Website of the Year Award (Kim is going to win this puppy every year, don't you think? lol). It just made Loopstock more fun and it added an element of ritual to it. I would have also continued in this tradtion by having Richard Zvonar finish his looping history but other events have prevented him from doing this. Also, everyone is donating their time to this festival (and the Loopstocks' too, for that matter) and I wanted a little something to send people back with. It is a small thing but to claim that you are a featured artist at a music festival is an incredibly great thing to put on your resume when you are trying to secure spots in other festivals or appy for granting. This is a small honor and one of the only things I can give back to some of the outstanding artists who will be playing (besides my donated work producing, publicizing and planning the festival). Once again: It is NOT A COMPETITION, but an acknowledgement. If I continue to do this festival (which I hope to do), I will be rotating this award. Please take this in the spirit with which it was presented. To make the show a better show each year and to acknowledge people thanks everyone............yours, in the spirit of promoting live looping wherever we can, Rick Walker (festival organizer: Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL) www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 21:18:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h951Fe123405; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:15:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:15:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <37.3ece2dfa.2cb0caad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:15:25 EDT Subject: WTB: Echoplex pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd control it from my existing MIDI setup. Things are proving harder than anticipated there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag another board around. Hmmm... sooo.. anyone? Thanks, Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 00:05:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9543WA20287; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Agent 22 needs Echoplex pedal Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:03:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <37.3ece2dfa.2cb0caad@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny--I just hooked mine up again. You can also use a normal momentary, or a FS300 footswitch--see the archives, you can customize it for your needs. Just be sure to remove the existing resistors or whatever they are--I have two FS300s that I tried to modify, got >this close< to making it work. Want to try those? Gary Hi all, Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd control it from my existing MIDI setup. Things are proving harder than anticipated there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag another board around. Hmmm... sooo.. anyone? Thanks, Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 00:06:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9543vp20389; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:49 EDT Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9.38448f37.2cb0f225_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c9.38448f37.2cb0f225_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/4/03 6:03:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Fuck you! > even though i love this kind-o-talk it may be inappropriate for children under 50.....:).....michael --part1_c9.38448f37.2cb0f225_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/4/0= 3 6:03:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


Fuck you!


even though i love this kind-o-talk it may be inappropriate for children und= er 50.....:).....michael --part1_c9.38448f37.2cb0f225_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 01:37:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h955ZbJ03372; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 22:36:18 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a little humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. Don't waste your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 03:30 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> The original message is looking for a Repeater not a Filter Factory. >> > > Ah, thank you. My bad! > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 01:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h955rpG06297; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:53:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:53:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031005000217.009e5150@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:02:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! In-Reply-To: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> References: <200309302333.h8UNXH011841@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rickster, -Hope you're having a nice weekend!... Smiles, and birthday spankings of course! lollollol! Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sat. 10.4.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 03:04:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9573OE16248; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 03:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 03:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031005011150.007fb750@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:11:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark felt it necessary to declare, Don't waste >your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. *laughing* Mark, wouldn't it be a whole lot simpler if you just simply filtered the whole freakin' list and then decided as you went, depending on yer' moods or dice or the alignment of the stars or how much gear you had that week, and such, who you'd let in?!!! lollollol! -Love ya... Kiss kiss... C-Quinn --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sat. 10.4.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 04:19:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h958F2g27245; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:20:00 +0000 Subject: Re: WTB: Echoplex pedal From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148190401_316515_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148190401_316515_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Tom, Well worth getting the footpedal - it really opens up the EDP functionality as a live performance tool ..... If you draw a blank on finding one s/h then you could make your own as it is just switches and resistors. You could use the "little red buttons" or source your own switches. This link tell you the values of the resistors to make your own: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html I am going to try this myself, planning a button layout to reduce foot movement. As the footpedal works by just connecting a resistor of the approriate value across the EDP footpedal input it should be possible to have multiple footpedals connected at once (as long as you don't operate them at the same moment). Handy for multi-instrumentalists, percussionists etc. who need instant control to hand in various places. It is possible to add an extra switch for the "parameters" button although the new "presets' feature in Loop 4 means you can change a number of parameter settings at a stroke with program changes (new manual section 8.2). Hope this helps Best wishes j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: DialaThos@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WTB: Echoplex pedal Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2003, 1:15 am Hi all, Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd control it from my existing MIDI setup. Things are proving harder than anticipated there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag another board around. Hmmm... sooo.. anyone? Thanks, Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com --MS_Mac_OE_3148190401_316515_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: WTB: Echoplex pedal Hi Tom,

Well worth getting the footpedal - it really opens up the EDP functionality= as a live performance tool .....

If you draw a blank on finding one s/h then you could make your own as it i= s just switches and resistors. You could use the "little red buttons&qu= ot; or source your own switches. This link tell you the values of the resist= ors to make your own:  

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html

I am going to try this myself, planning a button layout to reduce foot move= ment.

As the footpedal works by just connecting a resistor of the approriate valu= e across the EDP footpedal input it should be possible to have multiple foot= pedals connected at once (as long as you don't operate them at the same mome= nt). Handy for multi-instrumentalists, percussionists etc. who need instant = control to hand in various places.

It is possible to add an extra switch for the "parameters" button= although the new "presets' feature in Loop 4 means you can change a nu= mber of parameter settings at a stroke with program changes (new manual sect= ion 8.2).

Hope this helps

Best wishes

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122


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From: DialaThos@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: WTB: Echoplex pedal
Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2003, 1:15 am


Hi all,

Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd
control it from my existing MIDI setup.  Things are proving harder tha= n anticipated
there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag anothe= r
board around.  Hmmm... sooo.. anyone?

Thanks,
Tom Griesgraber
www.thossounds.com





--MS_Mac_OE_3148190401_316515_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 04:22:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h958LXd27896; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F7FD609.6090706@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:27:53 -0700 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Agent 22 needs Echoplex pedal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an extra pedal,needs some soldering ,but you could definatly get it on the cheap.. Relay wrote: >Funny--I just hooked mine up again. You can also use a normal momentary, or >a FS300 footswitch--see the archives, you can customize it for your needs. >Just be sure to remove the existing resistors or whatever they are--I have >two FS300s that I tried to modify, got >this close< to making it work. Want >to try those? > >Gary > >Hi all, > >Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd >control it from my existing MIDI setup. Things are proving harder than >anticipated >there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag another >board around. Hmmm... sooo.. anyone? > >Thanks, >Tom Griesgraber >www.thossounds.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 10:27:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95EKq526384; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:32:40 +0200 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148216360_259973_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148216360_259973_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater... I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and sounds really good for it's price (and size). One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are desingned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click sound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass and use condensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it with an pickup which doesn't give the "true acoustic sound". I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to replace the switches. Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board at least look like to have more silent switches. Does it sound better that the repeater? /Christian Hi there, What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you? Best wishes j ---------- From: To: Subject: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm Hi, I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let me know. Thank's Christian --MS_Mac_OE_3148216360_259973_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: electrix repeater wanted
Hi,

Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater...
I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and sounds re= ally good for it's price (and size).

One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are desing= ned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click s= ound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass and use c= ondensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it with an pickup whi= ch doesn't give the "true acoustic sound".

I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to = replace the switches.
Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board at le= ast look like to have more silent switches.
Does it sound better that the repeater?

/Christian

Hi there,

What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you?

Best wishes

j

----------
From: <gobag@telia.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: electrix repeater wanted
Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm


Hi,
I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let=
me know.
Thank's
Christian







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John Cecil Price's new, mega-ambient, instrumental CD, "THEOS= OPHY", is now online & available for free-download.
 
"THEOSOPHY', is one continuous song made up of several loop heavy=20= songs morphing in and out of each other ( approx 12 minutes ), into a c= omplete work entitled "POLY-OMEGA".
 
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-------------------------------1065367448-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 13:19:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95HHXM29151; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:19:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2003 17:17:26.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CAC04E0:01C38B64] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: electrix repeater wanted>I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to replace the switches. doesn't sound like much of an expert to me -smile- I think there are several people on the list who have talked about modifying the DL4 with quieter switches. Can anyone chime in here - I don't own a DL4? The electrix repeater does many of the same things as the DL4, and much much more. It is actually quite a different beast. The repeater doesn't come with any footswitches at all, so you'd have to find yourself a good midi controller that's silent - which is quite a task right there. Many people consider the Echoplex as the top of the food chain of loopers. Very nice sound quality, and features you'd never even think would exist, until you try them and it becomes and indispensable part of your sound. The footpedal can be very quiet, and certainly can be customized very easily. I personally like using it with socks or bare feet, and I can get it to be completely silent this way. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 13:24:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95HLdl29873; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:21:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c38b65$0b42f0c0$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: 2003 russolo results and audiomulch... Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:20:56 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear friends, I am happy to announce that I received the "3rd prize" at 2003 Luigi Russolo Electroacoustic Competition ( one of the most prestigious electronic music competitions in the world besides ars prix, bourges, musica nova ) with my piece "Below the cold ocean". The composition will be released on a compilation album by May 2004. You may listen to a 3 minute excerpt from this 12 minute piece at http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com I used "Audiomulch" and "smartelectronix" plugins for creating nearly all of the sounds in the piece. I hope everyone will enjoy the composition. Be sure to check out these sites for superb free plugins and programs. www.audiomulch.com www.smartelectronix.com With the new version Audiomulch is a really good looper software besides being an excellent realtime audio processing software. Check it out if you have not already. Thank you very much, Best regards. Erdem Helvacioglu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 14:08:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95I7Ev07436; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031005180705.32752.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:07:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8yt2mC.A.A0B.R3Fg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What are the features the Repeater offers that are > important to you? 4 unique tracks to loop on. that means up to 99 overdubs on 4 different tracks! you can record a track, put an ambient loop over it (on a different track), then fade out the original track and play it live. great way to add textures to a groove live without having to loop your original groove! also great for demoing songs. gives you a chance to have a digital 4 track at your disposal live that can be triggerred entirely via footswitch!!! lots of other cool and useful features. I've got 2 of em in my rig! ~ evan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 14:22:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95IKUv10340; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:20:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:21:08 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Both the Repeater and the EDP are great boxes. Repeaters are no longer made, but you can get service for them. Used Repeaters hover around $600 as do used EDPs. Neither comes with any footswitch. The EDPs seems pretty good and quiet, but a little delicate. Since any MIDI footswitch will work for the Repeater people seem to like (as do I) the Behringer FCB1010. It's tough and quiet. However, for Record, stop and undo functions I use the Digitech F300, which does have stompbox like buttons. They don't bother me, but I'm not using acoustic instruments. Regardless, I'd look at both boxes and see what they do and figure out which one fits your needs and then find footswitches that work for you. There are options for both. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 07:32 AM, wrote: > > Hi, > > Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater... > I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and > sounds really good for it's price (and size). > > One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are > desingned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click > sound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass > and use condensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it > with an pickup which doesn't give the "true acoustic sound". > > I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible > to replace the switches. > Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board > at least look like to have more silent switches. > Does it sound better that the repeater? > > /Christian > > Hi there, > > What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you? > > Best wishes > > j > > ---------- > From: > To: > Subject: electrix repeater wanted > Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm > > > Hi, > I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale > please let > me know. > Thank's > Christian > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 21:30:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h961TUs25097; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:29:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:29:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:29:28 -0700 Subject: Re: 2003 russolo results and audiomulch... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005f01c38b65$0b42f0c0$0200a8c0@erdem> Message-Id: <8705FA26-F79C-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice track! Reminds me a little bit of the Bill Laswell / Testu Inoue album Cymatic Scan, one of my favorite ambient albums. (does contain looping, Topic Police) Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 10:20 AM, erdem helvacioglu wrote: > Dear friends, > > I am happy to announce that I received the "3rd prize" at 2003 Luigi > Russolo Electroacoustic Competition ( one of the most prestigious > electronic music competitions in the world besides ars prix, bourges, > musica > nova ) > with my piece "Below the cold ocean". > The composition will be released on a compilation album by May 2004. > You may > listen to a 3 minute excerpt from this 12 minute piece at > http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com > > I used "Audiomulch" and "smartelectronix" plugins for creating nearly > all of > the sounds in the piece. I hope everyone will enjoy the composition. > > Be sure to check out these sites for superb free plugins and programs. > > www.audiomulch.com > www.smartelectronix.com > > With the new version Audiomulch is a really good looper software > besides > being an > excellent realtime audio processing software. Check it out if you have > not > already. > > Thank you very much, > > Best regards. > > Erdem Helvacioglu > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 21:34:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h961WYP25756; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:32:34 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20031005180705.32752.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4gjxSC.A.TSG.yYMg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 11:07 AM, Evan Meyers wrote: >> What are the features the Repeater offers that are >> important to you? > > 4 unique tracks to loop on. that means up to 99 > overdubs on 4 different tracks! Actually, you can overdub for infinity, but you can make 99 different 4 track loops. It's my looper of choice mainly because it can give me 2 stereo tracks per loop and it's a lot less expensive than the Echoplex which is mono and I think does 9 loops (but only can play one at a time) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 00:27:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h964PW524547; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:25:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:25:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:25:22 EDT Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.38a2f04d.2cb248b2_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c3.38a2f04d.2cb248b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a little > humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. Don't waste > your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. > > Mark Sottilaro > Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine in ANY way. Go back to your one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. Yawn Tim --part1_c3.38a2f04d.2cb248b2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

Ah, now who feels like the idio= t?  I was trying to interject a little
humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor.  Don't waste=
your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter.

Mark Sottilaro


Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric displays.= Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine in ANY way. Go b= ack to your  one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can get Terry Blanke= nship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'.

Yawn

Tim --part1_c3.38a2f04d.2cb248b2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 02:06:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9664XV08730; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 02:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 02:04:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 23:05:15 -0700 Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0DE770D6-F7C3-11D7-8F49-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9664WU08708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. Hello! Is anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was poking fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) He's got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right. If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his "featured performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I just find it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when the only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a "Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not dim like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought Terry was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and probably half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this list!) I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album: Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all. Needs to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. Better yet, drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a crap to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of that thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. I'm not saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it either. So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my instincts and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! Cheerio! Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > Ah, now who feels like the idiot?  I was trying to interject a little > humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor.  Don't waste > your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric > displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine > in ANY way. Go back to your  one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can > get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. > > Yawn > > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 06:10:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96A7LB12086; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:54:54 +0000 Subject: Footswitches and choices (was electrix repeater wanted) From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148282494_176149_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148282494_176149_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Christian, Switch, and other physical noises The difficultly of replacing the Line 6 switches will depend on the type of switch. If they are "momentary" (i.e. connected when you press, open when you release) then it should be possible to wire external switches in parallel to the internal ones. You could then use EDP type buttons, microswitches or what ever suited you best in a separate box. How good are Line6 with this kind of support question? The EDP certainly has quiet switches that can be operated with a toe. A Repeater will need a MIDI foot controller, or the Digitech footswitch so switch noise (and creakings from the case) will depend on that. (I use a Yamaha MFC10 rather than the Behringer). I've noticed the "tempo" and "loop" knobs on the Repeater make a clicking sound when turned which gets picked up by vocal microphone in studio. Digitech footswitch info in archive: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200104/msg00030.html Looper Choices Repeater, EDP, Line6, other? Different tools each with their strengths. Which tool you choose will depend on how you want to approach the task of looping and how you integrate it with your playing. Worth having an in depth read of manuals available on the Internet: http://www.electrixpro.com/ manual_repeater_E.pdf ; manual_repeater_addendum_E.pdf ; repeater_os11notes.pdf http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html LoopIVGuide.pdf (link above) EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf (don't know if this is out there yet) I'm sure loads of people on the list will be able to point up where each unit scores. A few observations from me: Echoplex software is beautifully thought out, subtle with powerful features to organically evolve your loop and plan your exit strategies. fast and sure in use - it does what you tell it on the button "hands off" operation - with the footpedal and feedback pedal you can do pretty much everything hands free. With a MIDI controller and the v4 Presets feature you can get to everything with your feet. You'll want a second one, a third ...... Repeater record your loop separated into four tracks with faders memory cards long loop lengths possible time stretch and pitch shifting are amazing fun.... not perfect but very handy. cannot go directly into "overdub" from "record" quirks in the MIDI synchronisation - can misread clock at double speed "beat detection" can interfere with timing precision software very unlikely to be upgraded beyond v1.1 Hope this is helpful. Best wishes j ---------- From: To: Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2003, 2:32 pm Hi, Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater... I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and sounds really good for it's price (and size). One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are desingned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click sound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass and use condensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it with an pickup which doesn't give the "true acoustic sound". I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to replace the switches. Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board at least look like to have more silent switches. Does it sound better that the repeater? /Christian Hi there, What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you? Best wishes j ---------- From: To: Subject: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm Hi, I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let me know. Thank's Christian --MS_Mac_OE_3148282494_176149_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Footswitches and choices (was electrix repeater wanted) Hi Christian,  

Switch, and other physical noises

The difficultly of replacing the Line 6 switches will depend on the type of= switch. If they are "momentary" (i.e. connected when you press, o= pen when you release) then it should be possible to wire external switches i= n parallel to the internal ones. You could then use EDP type buttons, micros= witches or what ever suited you best in a separate box. How good are Line6 w= ith this kind of support question?

The EDP certainly has quiet switches that can be operated with a toe. A Rep= eater will need a MIDI foot controller, or the Digitech footswitch so switch= noise (and creakings from the case) will depend on that. (I use a Yamaha MF= C10 rather than the Behringer). I've noticed the "tempo" and "= ;loop" knobs on the Repeater make a clicking sound when turned which ge= ts picked up by vocal microphone in studio. Digitech footswitch info in arch= ive: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/20010= 4/msg00030.html


Looper Choices

Repeater, EDP, Line6, other? Different tools each with their strengths. Whi= ch tool you choose will depend on how you want to approach the task of loopi= ng and how you integrate it with your playing. Worth having an in depth read= of manuals available on the Internet:

http://www.electrixpro.com/
  • manual_repeater_E.pdf ;
  • manual_repeater_addendum_E.pdf ;
  • repeater_os11notes.pdf

http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV= /loopIV.html
  • LoopIVGuide.pdf (link above)
  • EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf (don't know if this is out there yet)

I'm sure loads of people on the list will be able to point up where each un= it scores. A few observations from me:

Echoplex
  • software is beautifully thought out, subtle with powerful features = to organically evolve your loop and plan your exit strategies.
  • fast and sure in use - it does what you tell it on the button
  • "hands off" operation - with the footpedal and feedback pedal= you can do pretty much everything hands free. With a MIDI controller and th= e v4 Presets feature you can get to everything with your feet.
  • You'll want a second one, a third ......


Repeater
  • record your loop separated into four tracks with faders
  • memory cards
  • long loop lengths possible
  • time stretch and pitch shifting are amazing fun.... not perfect but ver= y handy.
  • cannot go directly into "overdub" from "record"
  • quirks in the MIDI synchronisation - can misread clock at double speed
  • "beat detection" can interfere with timing precision
  • software very unlikely to be upgraded beyond v1.1

Hope this is helpful.

Best wishes

j






----------
From: <gobag@telia.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted
Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2003, 2:32 pm



Hi,

Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater...
I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and sounds re= ally good for it's price (and size).

One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are desing= ned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click s= ound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass and use c= ondensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it with an pickup whi= ch doesn't give the "true acoustic sound".

I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to r= eplace the switches.
Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board at le= ast look like to have more silent switches.
Does it sound better that the repeater?

/Christian

Hi there,

What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you?

Best wishes

j

----------
From: <gobag@telia.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: electrix repeater wanted
Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm


Hi,
I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let=
me know.
Thank's
Christian








--MS_Mac_OE_3148282494_176149_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 07:20:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96BHPt20876; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:17:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:17:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.20] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS OC2 pedal query Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:17:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 11:17:19.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[67D3ECE0:01C38BFB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ><< Is there any way that I can tweak the pots to get more volume, at the >moment >I am getting a drop in volume from the pure bypassed guitar volume. >> > >Are you using a preamp? > >BobC > Sorry for the delay in this conversation,ive been moving houses again. Im going direct from guitar to the OC-2 then onward through my effects chain to the DL-4 then finally into my amp. it is exactly the same set up ive used previously with the Danelectro Octave pedal and that was way louder. any thoughts on where to go from her? Thanks for your help Phill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 08:18:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96CGIM29531; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1065441685!3468195 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533A85@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: line6 switches (was electrix repeater) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:56:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C38C00.EC5BE580" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38C00.EC5BE580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to replace the switches. << after the violence of that last exchange..... do people come at their e-mails after a few beers or something? unexpected belligerence, and the grammar "correction" was wrong anyway. however. it ought to be possible to replace the switches in a line6 stompbox with just about anything that can manage a simple, relatively bounce-free contact closure. the tricky bit will be to find something that fits and looks nice. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38C00.EC5BE580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: electrix repeater wanted
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after the violence of that last exchange..... do people come at their e-mails after a few beers or something? unexpected belligerence, and the grammar "correction" was wrong anyway.
 
however. it ought to be possible to replace the switches in a line6 stompbox with just about anything that can manage a simple, relatively bounce-free contact closure. the tricky bit will be to find something that fits and looks nice.
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38C00.EC5BE580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 10:27:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96ENIr22248; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.ff848d2.2cb2d4c5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:23:01 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS OC2 pedal query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/6/03 4:18:04 AM, testtubemicro@hotmail.com writes: << any thoughts on where to go from her? >> I have not used the OC2 but I have noticed that some pedals (not only Boss) seem to act as attenuators and need a preamp to boost the signal. Also some pedals will quickly drain or will not work as well if the battery is even at 3/4 power, but will work ok with wall wart. Of course that particular pedal may simply be phucked. Maybe someone who has used one will respond or perhaps you could go to local music shop and test one there. regards BobC visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 12:21:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96GGCu11425; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F81655C.1050807@accord.it> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:51:40 +0500 From: cristian cascetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: How do you approach looping composition? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy. In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I started being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in Bass Player magazine about Bill Laswell. At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect mix between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping and the discussion about technical aspects. Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website and this helped me to decide to buy an akay headrush and trying to become a looping bassist. My actual gear is: Basses: Fender Mexican Jazz Bass Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass '71 Gibson EB-2 Washburn AB-20 defretted My effect chain is: Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive -> Akai Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recording unit). I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me so hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate on the musical and conceptual aspects of looping. After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself and my gear), this is my question: How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass looping busking. When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing up everything. I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some suggestions from you experienced loopers. cristian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 12:50:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96GjnQ15657; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:45:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:45:17 EDT Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome, Cristian! Of course, every composer approaches the act of composition differently; you seem to have the drive and will to discover and develop your own thing (these are the most important ingredients!) I would say continue what you are doing- frustration is a great teacher. Try everything you can think of. Get yourself to the ultimate edge of frustration, then step back, take a break, do some deep breathing exercises in a quiet place, a park or forest might be good... 8^) step back, surrender what you have been doing, and I'd bet that the Next Idea will appear, if you can still the mind enough to hear it. Above all, remember that everything you need already exists inside you- outside inspirations and examples of others' success are only pointers to the infinite power that exists inside you at the deepest levels. Also, adding a second looping device would probably take your mind into areas you wouldn't normally think of... Stay with it!!! Best, Tim In a message dated 10/6/03 9:18:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cristian@accord.it writes: > Hello, > > It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months > ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: > > I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy. > > In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I started > being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in Bass Player > magazine about Bill Laswell. > > At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect mix > between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping and > the discussion about technical aspects. > > Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website > and this helped me to decide to buy an akay headrush and trying to > become a looping bassist. > > My actual gear is: > > Basses: > Fender Mexican Jazz Bass > Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass > '71 Gibson EB-2 > Washburn AB-20 defretted > > My effect chain is: > > Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive -> Akai > Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recording > unit). > > I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me so > hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate on > the musical and conceptual aspects of looping. > > After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself > and my gear), this is my question: > > How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some > composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass > looping busking. > > When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I > add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing > up everything. > > I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose > the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to > answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part > producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. > > I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some > suggestions from you experienced loopers. > > cristian > > > --part1_199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome, Cristian!

Of course, every composer approaches the act of composition differently; you= seem to have the drive and will to discover and develop your own thing (the= se are the most important ingredients!)

I would say continue what you are doing- frustration is a great teacher. Try= everything you can think of. Get yourself to the ultimate edge of frustrati= on, then step back, take a break, do some deep breathing exercises in a quie= t place, a park or  forest might be good... 8^) step back, surrender wh= at you have been doing, and I'd bet that the Next Idea will appear, if you c= an still the mind enough to hear it.

Above all, remember that everything you need already exists inside you- outs= ide inspirations and examples of others' success are only pointers to the in= finite power that exists inside you at the deepest levels.

Also, adding a second looping device would probably take your mind into area= s you wouldn't normally think of...

Stay with it!!!

Best,

Tim



In a message dated 10/6/03 9:18:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cristian@accord= .it writes:

Hello,

It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months
ago), so I'd like to introduce myself:

I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy.

In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I started being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in Bass Player
magazine about Bill Laswell.

At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect mix
between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping and
the discussion about technical aspects.

Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website
and this helped me to decide  to buy  an akay headrush  and t= rying to
become a looping bassist.

My actual gear is:

Basses:
Fender Mexican Jazz Bass
Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass
'71 Gibson EB-2
Washburn AB-20 defretted

My effect chain is:

Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive ->= Akai
Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recordi= ng
unit).

I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me so
hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate on
the musical and conceptual aspects of looping.

After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself
and my gear), this is my question:

How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some
composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass
looping busking.

When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I
add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing
up everything.

I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose
the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to
answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part
producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play.

I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some
suggestions from you experienced loopers.

cristian




 --part1_199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 12:55:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96GnN116570; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:49:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:49:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:49:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcOLz95ESF4gMMBYRumvAmWYjLog3wAWeMNA In-Reply-To: <0DE770D6-F7C3-11D7-8F49-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h96GnNU16546 Resent-Message-ID: <-6TYJB.A.xCE.T0Zg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yawn :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] :::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) ::: :::Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone :::miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the :::mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! ::: :::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even :::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. Hello! Is :::anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was poking :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) He's :::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be :::fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right. :::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his "featured :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events :::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I just find :::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when the :::only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? ::: :::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a :::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not :::understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not dim :::like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming :::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought Terry :::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and probably :::half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was :::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to :::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be :::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. ::: :::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this list!) :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album: ::: :::Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all. Needs :::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. Better yet, :::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that :::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a crap :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. ::: :::Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of that :::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. I'm not :::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it :::either. ::: :::So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my instincts :::and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! ::: ::: :::Cheerio! ::: :::Mark Sottilaro :::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: ::: :::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, :::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes: :::> :::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot?  I was trying to interject a little :::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor.  Don't waste :::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. :::> :::> Mark Sottilaro :::> :::> :::> :::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine :::> in ANY way. Go back to your  one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can :::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. :::> :::> Yawn :::> :::> Tim ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 13:12:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96H9V521110; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:09:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F81A347.6000301@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:15:51 -0700 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? References: <3F81655C.1050807@accord.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Christian, My 1st Cd "Bassapes" was pretty much layering and reverse on a Boomerang.(This was before I discovered this list the Echoplex and the work of Daved Torn and Jeff Pearce).I think that Steve Lawson and Max Valentino are bassists who are masters of this approach.In this mode I find it helpful to think in terms of parts;chordal,melody,percussive and to "start" pieces from diffrant places/parts .It's fine to have 3 basslines in the same piece but think of it as another bassist once it enters the looper so as not to compete for space. Busking can help alot.Nothing lets me know how much music is already happening on the looper as much as stopping the adding of parts to make change or talk to someone :) Reviews of my work can be seen at http://www.bassinside.com/2003/april/cdreview.htm http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70308201453&sql=Ac098s31wa3mg cristian cascetta wrote: > Hello, > > It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months > ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: > > I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy. > > In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I > started being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in > Bass Player magazine about Bill Laswell. > > At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect > mix between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping > and the discussion about technical aspects. > > Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website > and this helped me to decide to buy an akay headrush and trying to > become a looping bassist. > > My actual gear is: > > Basses: > Fender Mexican Jazz Bass > Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass > '71 Gibson EB-2 > Washburn AB-20 defretted > > My effect chain is: > > Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive -> Akai > Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recording > unit). > > I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me > so hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate > on the musical and conceptual aspects of looping. > > After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself > and my gear), this is my question: > > How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some > composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass > looping busking. > > When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I > add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and > messing up everything. > > I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose > the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to > answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part > producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. > > I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some > suggestions from you experienced loopers. > > cristian > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 13:23:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96HIT422954; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:18:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:18:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email. WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" Sottilaro seems to be right behind it. Maybe you think you are funny. Maybe some others think you are funny. I think you have a very big problem, and I don't give a shit what you think about me, looping, music, or anything at all. I think you are a very big Prima Donna, probably into music for all the wrong reasons. Anyway you slice it, I don't want to know you, hear what you have to say about anything, and most of all I wouldn't have your music in my ears, at any cost. Now, THAT's community! Usually it's the "list moderator" 's job to reel in assholes like you, Mark, but as we all know, Kim thrives on conflict, and likes to see bad vibes loop around the knuckleheads. That's his perogative- it's his list. I don't think you are funny at all. I think you are very sad. Ok folks, begin hurling bricks at me now... Tim F PS Kim- are you enjoying this? PPS Mark- I meant it- filter me out of your email (if I don't unsub) In a message dated 10/6/03 9:50:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: > yawn > > :::-----Original Message----- > :::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > :::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > :::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) > ::: > :::Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone > :::miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the > :::mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! > ::: > :::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even > :::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. Hello! Is > :::anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't > :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was poking > :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) He's > :::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be > :::fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has > :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right. > :::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his "featured > :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events > :::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I just find > :::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when the > :::only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not > :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? > ::: > :::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a > :::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not > :::understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not dim > :::like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming > :::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought Terry > :::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and probably > :::half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was > :::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to > :::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be > :::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. > ::: > :::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this list!) > :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album: > ::: > :::Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all. Needs > :::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. Better yet, > :::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that > :::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a crap > :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. > ::: > :::Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of that > :::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. I'm not > :::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it > :::either. > ::: > :::So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and > :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my instincts > :::and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! > ::: > ::: > :::Cheerio! > ::: > :::Mark Sottilaro > :::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > ::: > :::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > :::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > :::> > :::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a little > :::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. Don't waste > :::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. > :::> > :::> Mark Sottilaro > :::> > :::> > :::> > :::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric > :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine > :::> in ANY way. Go back to your one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can > :::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. > :::> > :::> Yawn > :::> > :::> Tim > ::: > ::: > > > > --part1_95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email.
WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" Sottilaro see= ms to be right behind it. Maybe you think you are funny. Maybe some others t= hink you are funny. I think you have a very big problem, and I don't give a=20= shit what you think about me, looping, music, or anything at all.
I think you are a very big Prima Donna, probably into music for all the wron= g reasons.
Anyway you slice it, I don't want to know you, hear what you have to say abo= ut anything, and most of all I wouldn't have your music in my ears, at any c= ost.
Now, THAT's community!

Usually it's the "list moderator" 's job to reel in assholes like you, Mark,= but as we all know, Kim thrives on conflict, and likes to see bad vibes loo= p around the knuckleheads. That's his perogative- it's his list.

I don't think you are funny at all. I think you are very sad.

Ok folks, begin hurling bricks at me now...

Tim F

PS Kim- are you enjoying this?

PPS Mark- I meant it- filter me out of your email (if I don't unsub)

In a message dated 10/6/03 9:50:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thete= ntacle.org writes:

yawn

:::-----Original Message-----
:::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
:::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM
:::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
:::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted)
:::
:::Sigh.  You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone
:::miserable.  I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the=
:::mean, but boy was I wrong!  Should I spell it out?  OK!
:::
:::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even
:::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO.  Hello!&n= bsp; Is
:::anyone awake?  TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!?  If you weren't :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was poking :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend)  He'= s
:::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be
:::fine.  Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right.
:::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his "featured :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events
:::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much.  I just f= ind
:::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when the :::only audience to these events are the people playing them.  Why not<= BR> :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it?
:::
:::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a
:::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not
:::understanding me anyway.  I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not d= im
:::like yourself.  In case you haven't notice from my charming
:::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques.  Frankly, I thought Terry=
:::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and probably :::half the ego.  I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was=
:::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to
:::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique."  Bah.  I'd= be
:::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week.
:::
:::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this list!) :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album:
:::
:::Unlistenable.  The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all.&nbs= p; Needs
:::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome.  Better y= et,
:::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that
:::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a crap :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product.
:::
:::Man that felt good!  If I had to read one more steller review of tha= t
:::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke.  I'm=20= not
:::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it
:::either.
:::
:::So that's that.  The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my instincts :::and stayed unsubscribed.  I don't have the disposition for it. LOL!<= BR> :::
:::
:::Cheerio!
:::
:::Mark Sottilaro
:::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote:
:::
:::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
:::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes:
:::>
:::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot?  I was trying to interject a=20= little
:::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor.  Don= 't waste
:::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter.=
:::>
:::> Mark Sottilaro
:::>
:::>
:::>
:::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine=
:::> in ANY way. Go back to your  one "man" looping festival. Maybe=20= you can
:::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. :::>
:::> Yawn
:::>
:::> Tim
:::
:::





 --part1_95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 14:58:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96It3I09599; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:55:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bridge burning - moderation Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:54:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 18:54:57.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[56103E10:01C38C3B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would tend to agree with Tim's assessment that this list lacks moderation. LD is a very uncomfortable place to be for people just looking for informative and/or entertaining discussion. I suspect many people, like me, stay on and try to tune out or ignore the flare-ups - or unsubscribe. (I'm not talking about the "passionate yet informative" contributions, just the really senseless and irrelevant ones). I think it would be nice to have just a little bit of moderation. Best, Nic >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:17:12 EDT > >Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email. >WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" Sottilaro >seems to be right behind it. Maybe you think you are funny. Maybe some >others >think you are funny. I think you have a very big problem, and I don't give >a shit >what you think about me, looping, music, or anything at all. >I think you are a very big Prima Donna, probably into music for all the >wrong >reasons. >Anyway you slice it, I don't want to know you, hear what you have to say >about anything, and most of all I wouldn't have your music in my ears, at >any >cost. >Now, THAT's community! > >Usually it's the "list moderator" 's job to reel in assholes like you, >Mark, >but as we all know, Kim thrives on conflict, and likes to see bad vibes >loop >around the knuckleheads. That's his perogative- it's his list. > >I don't think you are funny at all. I think you are very sad. > >Ok folks, begin hurling bricks at me now... > >Tim F > >PS Kim- are you enjoying this? > >PPS Mark- I meant it- filter me out of your email (if I don't unsub) > >In a message dated 10/6/03 9:50:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: > > > yawn > > > > :::-----Original Message----- > > :::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > :::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM > > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > :::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) > > ::: > > :::Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone > > :::miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the > > :::mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! > > ::: > > :::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even > > :::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. Hello! >Is > > :::anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't > > :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was >poking > > :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) He's > > :::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be > > :::fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has > > :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right. > > :::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his >"featured > > :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events > > :::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I just >find > > :::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when >the > > :::only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not > > :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? > > ::: > > :::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a > > :::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not > > :::understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not >dim > > :::like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming > > :::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought Terry > > :::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and >probably > > :::half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was > > :::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to > > :::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be > > :::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. > > ::: > > :::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this >list!) > > :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album: > > ::: > > :::Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all. >Needs > > :::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. Better >yet, > > :::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that > > :::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a >crap > > :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. > > ::: > > :::Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of that > > :::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. I'm >not > > :::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it > > :::either. > > ::: > > :::So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and > > :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my >instincts > > :::and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! > > ::: > > ::: > > :::Cheerio! > > ::: > > :::Mark Sottilaro > > :::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > > ::: > > :::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > :::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > :::> > > :::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a >little > > :::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. Don't >waste > > :::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore >filter. > > :::> > > :::> Mark Sottilaro > > :::> > > :::> > > :::> > > :::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric > > :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in >mine > > :::> in ANY way. Go back to your one "man" looping festival. Maybe you >can > > :::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. > > :::> > > :::> Yawn > > :::> > > :::> Tim > > ::: > > ::: > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 15:17:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96JBeS13591; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c38c3d$ac0665e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3F81655C.1050807@accord.it> Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:11:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.131.21] at Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:11:32 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My best advice to you is to learn what works in bass looping composition by doing it: 1) try looping for one hour every day 2) record each looping session from the beginning to the end -- NOT just the "good bits" 3) let the recording sit for 24hrs before you listen to it 4) loop (and record) the next day keeping in mind the things you felt worked and didn't work from your earlier recordings/sessions. After one month of this, you'll have learned many things, including the fact that what seems like a bad idea on Day 1 sounds actually quite cool on Day 2 :-) Good luck David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristian cascetta" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:51 AM Subject: How do you approach looping composition? > Hello, > > It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months > ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: > > I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy. > > In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I started > being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in Bass Player > magazine about Bill Laswell. > > At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect mix > between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping and > the discussion about technical aspects. > > Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website > and this helped me to decide to buy an akay headrush and trying to > become a looping bassist. > > My actual gear is: > > Basses: > Fender Mexican Jazz Bass > Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass > '71 Gibson EB-2 > Washburn AB-20 defretted > > My effect chain is: > > Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive -> Akai > Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recording > unit). > > I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me so > hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate on > the musical and conceptual aspects of looping. > > After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself > and my gear), this is my question: > > How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some > composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass > looping busking. > > When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I > add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing > up everything. > > I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose > the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to > answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part > producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. > > I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some > suggestions from you experienced loopers. > > cristian > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 15:23:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96JF8F14276; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:15:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:15:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.17.250] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:14:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 19:14:55.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[206B74C0:01C38C3E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, Scott, for the very nice compliment! In regards to composition with loops, one must consider just what you want/need to do with the loop, when and how. I have been giving all of this a lot of attention lately in my own work. For me, the challenge has been to make the "loopage" more interactive with the real time playing. One very cool aspect of the LD list,is the interchange bewteen players. It seems all of us use different approaches to looping/performance/composition, of which the techniques, tips and tricks we are all quite welcome, even eager, to share with others. This allows for a great deal of mutual influences and cross-pollination, so to speak. I have noticed a few things about we loopists and how we work. There are some of us who pile up fx and processing before the loop and make each "layer" have it's own sonic signature, allowing it to standout from the other layers. In this aspect, it is much like multi-track recording, and is very much an additive approach in which our "box" is contiually being filled until it can simply hold no more. Perhaps, Christian, this is one dilemma you have encountered with your own looping. Of course, the only remedy to this is to know when to stop adding to the loop. At thast point it may be creative to begin subtracting from the loop, peeling away layers before constructing new ones. There are also some on this list who prefer to process, or "treat" the loops themselves; often referred to here as "mangling". In some ways this helps to alieviate the "filling up the box" syndrome, as with this technique the loopist needs to pay attention to what has already been recorded, and how that is been effected by any treatments. For instrance, running a loop thru a filter device can drastically change the sonic foundation and "flow" of a piece, taking it along an entirely new tangent. This approach can seem to subtractive, as the player is, at times, filtering out bits of sound, or, at very least, "evolving", mutating, or re-constructing an recorded (and looped) event. Of course, there are those who do both of the above. Again, the key to a well-looped performance is knowing when to stop adding to a loop, when to treat, or stop treating, when to "undo"..etc. And, that just comes with hours and hours of practice, and paying attention to oine's own creative flow. In both cases here, there is a tendancy to create a loop and let it run, with all the varied, "added" parts, for the length of a piece. For my own compositons, of late, I have been working with loops which I "fly" in and out of a piece, adding color and texture, rather than being a static event which I add to or play over. Having the ability to run multiple loops in parallel means I can fade in and out short loops to add color/contrast, density, accompaniment, and texture to a solo bass piece. I can "remove" them from the piece, and yet bring them back at a different point in the performance to provide a sense of continuity. This makes the "loop" interactive with my own playing, and hopefully, when done right, it is seamless enough to not stand out from the rest of the "played" performance ( in what the audience may percieve as "canned"). Again, this is considering how you use a loop, as well as when, and where the loop is used. Recording a loop, rhythmic or harmonic, layering a buch of stuff over it, and playing over that, while being the "direction" many of us started taking when we first entered into looping, hardly makes use of the potential of "live-looping" (yet again, it is one approach which is certainly viable....if only a "one-dimensional" approach, and again, knowing when to stop adding to the loop will make it more "musical", knowing when to peel away layers of the loop could help make this approach more two-dimensional). Then there is the LaFosse-school, where the players actually "plays" the loop. Andre actually eschews any fx processing in his gtr-EDP-amp signal chain, but his ability to "play" the EDP, carving up , slicing and dicing, his gtr loops, creates something totally unique and wonderful, and is a rather original way of "composing" with loops. Although I do not use an EDP, Andre's work, and his techniques of working with a loop (rather than merely to it), has had a tremedous influence on my own concepts of "composing" with loops. This "interactive-ness" allows the tool (looping device) to become an instrument in its' own right, and leads to countless possibilities of re-structuring both sound and the form of a composition. Max >From: Scott Kungha Drengsen > >Hello Christian, >My 1st Cd "Bassapes" was pretty much layering and reverse on a >Boomerang.(This was before I discovered this list the Echoplex and the work >of Daved Torn and Jeff Pearce).I think that Steve Lawson and Max Valentino >are bassists who are masters of this approach. >> >cristian cascetta wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months >>ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: >> >> >>How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some >>composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass looping >>busking. >> >>When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I add >>some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing up >>everything. >> >>I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose the >>musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to answer and >>react to the loops I create filling every silent part producing a strong >>anxiety impression in what I play. >> >>I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some >>suggestions from you experienced loopers. >> >>cristian _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 15:32:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96JSxB17715; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:28:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:28:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031006192857.76410.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: Re: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006701c38a73$1005e600$6462f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1640781592-1065468537=:76258" Resent-Message-ID: <9HU5dC.A.tUE.7Jcg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1640781592-1065468537=:76258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looks great, Rick! Thanks for all your hard work. It was good to meet you this weekend. See you soon, Joe Balestreri "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: Hi everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did not want to post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down. This is the schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Participants please send me confirmation that you have recieved this information ASAP, please...................and thank you. The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling changes. Both JHNO and Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment (Aaron's brother was in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that disrupted everything and I still don't know why JHNO didn't play). Luckily, Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky to do two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg and with Zoe..............I had the best time and now I feel like I can put the Dayglo Green mega-piece to bed for a while. Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for hosting us and for being so supportive of the fringe musical arts in San Francisco.!!! yours, Rick Walker THE Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL featuring 32 continuous live looping performances by artists from all over the United States and California with special guest artist: GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, UK) \\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th, 11th and 12th/////// Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) 1100 Soque Avenue, Santa Cruz, California admission: $10/day $20/three day pass no one turned away for lack of funds Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL FULL SCHEDULE: Friday Night, October 10th "NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS" 8:00 p.m. MIKE BIFFLE (Miko B) 8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS 9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG 9:30 p.m. TED KILLIAN 10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED ARTIST) Saturday Afternoon, October 11th 1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST) 2:30 p.m. DARYAIE KOOROSH 3:00 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO 3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE 4:00 p.m. RICK WALKER 4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON 5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER 5:30 p.m. TIMOTHY CROWE Saturday Night, October 11th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith) 8:30 p.m. WAYNE JACKSON 9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN 9:30 p.m. MAX VALENTINO 10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED ARTIST) Sunday afternoon, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie status) 2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR 3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary Lehman) 3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE 4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan Card) 4:30 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON 5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri) 5:30 p.m. JOHN WHOOLEY Sunday evening, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA 8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO (FEATURED ARTIST) 9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST 9:30 p.m. JIMMY GEORGE 10:00 p.m. Loop.pooL ************************************************************************** for more information and interview requests and journalistic enquiries contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter) 831-425-8659 rickwalker@looppool.info _______________________________________________________ Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Looks great, Rick!  Thanks for all your hard work.  It was good to meet you this weekend.  See you soon,
Joe Balestreri

"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Hi everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did not
want to
post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down.
This is the schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday and
Sunday.

Participants please send me confirmation that you have recieved this
information ASAP, please...................and thank you.

The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling changes. Both JHNO and
Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment
(Aaron's brother was in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that
disrupted everything and I still don't know why
JHNO didn't play).

Luckily, Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky to
do two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg
and with Zoe..............I had the best time and now I feel like I can put
the Dayglo Green mega-piece to bed for a while.

Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for hosting us and for being so supportive of
the fringe musical arts in San Francisco.!!!
yours, Rick Walker




THE Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL
featuring 32 continuous live looping performances by
artists from all over the United States and California

with special guest artist:
GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, UK)

\\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th, 11th and 12th///////
Cayuga Vault
(www.cayugavault.com)
1100 Soque Avenue, Santa Cruz, California

admission: $10/day $20/three day pass
no one turned away for lack of funds



Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL
FULL SCHEDULE:

Friday Night, October 10th
"NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS"

8:00 p.m. MIKE BIFFLE (Miko B)
8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS
9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG
9:30 p.m. TED KILLIAN
10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED ARTIST)


Saturday Afternoon, October 11th
1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL

2:00 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST)
2:30 p.m. DARYAIE KOOROSH
3:00 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO
3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE
4:00 p.m. RICK WALKER
4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON
5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER
5:30 p.m. TIMOTHY CROWE

Saturday Night, October 11th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL

8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith)
8:30 p.m. WAYNE JACKSON
9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN
9:30 p.m. MAX VALENTINO
10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED ARTIST)

Sunday afternoon, October 12th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL

2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie status)
2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR
3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary Lehman)
3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE
4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan Card)
4:30 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON
5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri)
5:30 p.m. JOHN WHOOLEY
Sunday evening, October 12th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL

8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA
8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO (FEATURED ARTIST)
9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST
9:30 p.m. JIMMY GEORGE
10:00 p.m. Loop.pooL

**************************************************************************

for more information and interview requests and journalistic enquiries

contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter) 831-425-8659
rickwalker@looppool.info








_______________________________________________________
Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us!

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1640781592-1065468537=:76258-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 15:50:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96JkRW22542; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F81C6AB.7020409@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:46:51 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com Organization: Rosewoodblues LTD. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bridge burning - moderation References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW, i just went through this thread. on the outside chance that someone else is trying to get something from this list. i think i should remind everyone here that music is what it is! as different as the air particles that fill our lungs. life is too short to be swept up in anger. come on guys, can't we all just get along. take a breath (or a toke, if that is your bag) and find a center. maybe a nice lithium pill will help out :) 2 cents, ken; Nic Roozeboom wrote: > I would tend to agree with Tim's assessment that this list lacks > moderation. LD is a very uncomfortable place to be for people just > looking for informative and/or entertaining discussion. I suspect many > people, like me, stay on and try to tune out or ignore the flare-ups - > or unsubscribe. (I'm not talking about the "passionate yet > informative" contributions, just the really senseless and irrelevant > ones). I think it would be nice to have just a little bit of moderation. > > Best, > Nic > > >> From: Fsksync@aol.com >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) >> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:17:12 EDT >> >> Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email. >> WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" Sottilaro >> seems to be right behind it. Maybe you think you are funny. Maybe >> some others >> think you are funny. I think you have a very big problem, and I don't >> give a shit >> what you think about me, looping, music, or anything at all. >> I think you are a very big Prima Donna, probably into music for all >> the wrong >> reasons. >> Anyway you slice it, I don't want to know you, hear what you have to say >> about anything, and most of all I wouldn't have your music in my >> ears, at any >> cost. >> Now, THAT's community! >> >> Usually it's the "list moderator" 's job to reel in assholes like >> you, Mark, >> but as we all know, Kim thrives on conflict, and likes to see bad >> vibes loop >> around the knuckleheads. That's his perogative- it's his list. >> >> I don't think you are funny at all. I think you are very sad. >> >> Ok folks, begin hurling bricks at me now... >> >> Tim F >> >> PS Kim- are you enjoying this? >> >> PPS Mark- I meant it- filter me out of your email (if I don't unsub) >> >> In a message dated 10/6/03 9:50:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: >> >> > yawn >> > >> > :::-----Original Message----- >> > :::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >> > :::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM >> > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > :::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) >> > ::: >> > :::Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone >> > :::miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than >> the >> > :::mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! >> > ::: >> > :::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and >> even >> > :::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. >> Hello! Is >> > :::anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't >> > :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was >> poking >> > :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) >> He's >> > :::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be >> > :::fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has >> > :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm >> right. >> > :::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his >> "featured >> > :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory >> events >> > :::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I >> just find >> > :::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status >> when the >> > :::only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not >> > :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? >> > ::: >> > :::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow >> do a >> > :::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not >> > :::understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just >> not dim >> > :::like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming >> > :::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought >> Terry >> > :::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and >> probably >> > :::half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he >> was >> > :::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it >> seems to >> > :::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be >> > :::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. >> > ::: >> > :::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this >> list!) >> > :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last >> album: >> > ::: >> > :::Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at >> all. Needs >> > :::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. >> Better yet, >> > :::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that >> > :::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives >> a crap >> > :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. >> > ::: >> > :::Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of >> that >> > :::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. >> I'm not >> > :::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it >> > :::either. >> > ::: >> > :::So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and >> > :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my >> instincts >> > :::and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! >> > ::: >> > ::: >> > :::Cheerio! >> > ::: >> > :::Mark Sottilaro >> > :::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >> > ::: >> > :::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > :::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >> > :::> >> > :::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a >> little >> > :::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. >> Don't waste >> > :::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore >> filter. >> > :::> >> > :::> Mark Sottilaro >> > :::> >> > :::> >> > :::> >> > :::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your >> egocentric >> > :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved >> in mine >> > :::> in ANY way. Go back to your one "man" looping festival. Maybe >> you can >> > :::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO >> LOOP'. >> > :::> >> > :::> Yawn >> > :::> >> > :::> Tim >> > ::: >> > ::: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it > now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 16:36:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96KWUm30911; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38C0E.46467800" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <20031006192857.76410.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 20:32:24.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[F317C0E0:01C38C48] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38C0E.46467800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If any of haven't seen Zoe Keating playing, you should. Rick is no slouch himself, either. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Joe Balestreri [mailto:metaman23@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE Looks great, Rick! Thanks for all your hard work. It was good to meet you this weekend. See you soon, Joe Balestreri "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: Hi everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did not want to post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down. This is the schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Participants please send me confirmation that you have recieved this information ASAP, please...................and thank you. The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling changes. Both JHNO and Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment (Aaron's brother was in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that disrupted everything and I still don't know why JHNO didn't play). Luckily, Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky to do two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg and with Zoe..............I had the best time and now I feel like I can put the Dayglo Green mega-piece to b! ed for a while. Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for hosting us and for being so supportive of the fringe musical arts in San Francisco.!!! yours, Rick Walker THE Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL featuring 32 continuous live looping performances by artists from all over the United States and California with special guest artist: GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, UK) \\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th, 11th and 12th/////// Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) 1100 Soque Avenue, Santa Cruz, California admission: $10/day $20/three day pass no one turned away for lack of funds Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL FULL SCHEDULE: Friday Night, October 10th "NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS" 8:00 p.m. MIKE BIFFLE (Miko B) 8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS 9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG 9:30 p.m. TED KILLIAN 10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED ARTIST) Saturday Afternoon, October 11th 1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST) 2:30 p.m. DARYAIE KOOROSH 3:00 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO 3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE 4:00 p.m. RICK WALKER 4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON 5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER 5:30 p.m. TIMOTHY CROWE Saturday Night, October 11th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith) 8:30 p.m. WAYNE JACKSON 9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN 9:30 p.m. MAX VALENTINO 10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED ARTIST) Sunday afternoon, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie status) 2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR 3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary Lehman) 3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE 4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan Card) 4:30 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON 5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri) 5:30 p.m. JOHN WHOOLEY Sunday evening, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA 8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO (FEATURED ARTIST) 9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST 9:30 p.m. JIMMY GEORGE 10:00 p.m. Loop.pooL ************************************************************************ ** for more information and interview requests and journalistic enquiries contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter) 831-425-8659 rickwalker@looppool.info _______________________________________________________ Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us! _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38C0E.46467800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
If any=20 of haven't seen Zoe Keating playing, you should. Rick is no slouch = himself,=20 either.
 
bIz
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe = Balestreri=20 [mailto:metaman23@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 = 12:29=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE

Looks great, Rick!  Thanks for all your hard work.  It = was good=20 to meet you this weekend.  See you soon,
Joe Balestreri

"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL"=20 <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Hi=20 everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did = not
want=20 to
post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down.
This = is the=20 schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday=20 and
Sunday.

Participants please send me confirmation that = you have=20 recieved this
information ASAP, please...................and = thank=20 you.

The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling = changes. Both=20 JHNO and
Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment
(Aaron's = brother was=20 in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that
disrupted = everything and I still don't know why
JHNO didn't = play).

Luckily,=20 Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky = to
do=20 two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg
and with = Zoe..............I had=20 the best time and now I feel like I can put
the Dayglo Green = mega-piece=20 to b! ed for a while.

Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for = hosting us=20 and for being so supportive of
the fringe musical arts in San=20 Francisco.!!!
yours, Rick Walker




THE Y2K3 LIVE = LOOPING=20 FESTIVAL
featuring 32 continuous live looping performances = by
artists=20 from all over the United States and California

with special = guest=20 artist:
GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, = UK)

\\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th,=20 11th and 12th///////
Cayuga = Vault
(www.cayugavault.com)
1100 Soque=20 Avenue, Santa Cruz, California

admission: $10/day $20/three = day=20 pass
no one turned away for lack of funds



Y2K3 = LIVE=20 LOOPING FESTIVAL
FULL SCHEDULE:

Friday Night, October=20 10th
"NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS"

8:00 p.m. MIKE = BIFFLE (Miko=20 B)
8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS
9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG
9:30 p.m. = TED=20 KILLIAN
10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED = ARTIST)


Saturday=20 Afternoon, October 11th
1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING = FESTIVAL

2:00=20 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST)
2:30 p.m. DARYAIE = KOOROSH
3:00=20 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO
3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE
4:00 p.m. RICK=20 WALKER
4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON
5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER
5:30 = p.m.=20 TIMOTHY CROWE

Saturday Night, October 11th
Y2K3 LIVE = LOOPING=20 FESTIVAL

8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith)
8:30 p.m. WAYNE = JACKSON
9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN
9:30 p.m. MAX=20 VALENTINO
10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED=20 ARTIST)

Sunday afternoon, October 12th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING=20 FESTIVAL

2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie=20 status)
2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR
3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary=20 Lehman)
3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE
4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan = Card)
4:30=20 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON
5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri)
5:30 = p.m. JOHN=20 WHOOLEY
Sunday evening, October 12th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING=20 FESTIVAL

8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA
8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY = FRESNO=20 (FEATURED ARTIST)
9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST
9:30 p.m. JIMMY=20 GEORGE
10:00 p.m.=20 = Loop.pooL

********************************************************= ******************

for=20 more information and interview requests and journalistic=20 enquiries

contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter)=20 = 831-425-8659
rickwalker@looppool.info








_______________________________________________________
Check out my new live music project and = CD at=20 www.metaman.us!

Do you Yahoo!?
The=20 New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product=20 search
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38C0E.46467800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 17:32:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96LL4J08689; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:21:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c38c4f$8ec84360$2761f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310061218.h96CIHm29817@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Rick Walker responds to Mark Sottilaro Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:19:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for the record: I really like Mark Sottilaro a lot. I value his presence on the list. I really like Kim Flint a lot. I value his presence (and reluctant leadership of this community) a lot. They both think I'm full of shit with this whole live looping thingee. It's really okay. I'm nor losing sleep over it, really (all though I am losing sleep or the rash of last minute cancellations and shedule changes for this weekends festivals.........lol) Mark and I will laugh and laugh the next time we get together. Shit, as of tonight, we'll both have blue hair...........along with Kim's purple ponytailed coder/mullet that makes us probably the only loopers on this list who have wierd hair colors. We're brothers in that respect at least.............and I really dug Marks' set at Loopstock and am really sad that he doesn't want to participate, but that's okay, too. I HAVE been oversensitive on this list about criticism of promoting the looping festivals and the live looping scene. In particular, I was really hurt at the time my mom died when Kim was so critical of the scene. But that is also okay. My working definition of intimacy is that we have the ability to share negativity with each other and can still be friends. It's okay. Not everybody gets a thrill out of playing our little, 'self congratulatory' live looping festivals. A lot do though, and it makes my year to attend Loopfest or the Y2K_ series. I've really forged some great friendships. As far as criticism goes, the way I see it, if you are doing something with all of your heart and you are really putting yourself out in the public eye, you are going to piss off, threaten, annoy and otherwise cause negative attention in a certain population. I've tried as much as possible to serve my community (or percieved community) with my efforts in the last five years here at Loopers Delight. Do I have an ego? Of course I do. Any musician who puts what they are doing out to the public has to have some ego.........otherwise you just sit in your bedroom never interacting with people. Do I care about trying hard to create a nurturing and supportive community that produces exciting events for people to play at and attend. You bet. Do I think that I"m God's gift to the looping world.........................FUCK NO!!!!!!! I just want to have places to play, exciting events to attend and a loving and supportive community to be a part of.............it's really that simple ************* Also, I wanted to say something that is very obvious to me about (and a few people just don't get) this whole '1st LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL strategy that I use (shamelessly, I have to admit). I have been a successful publicist for over 25 years in the music business. What I have learned is: Like a good pop song, you have to have a "hook" to get the journalists, radio DJs and the public interested in what you are doing: ESPECIALLY IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST conveniently in the traditional record store categories. Using this strategy has gotten our live looping scene a tremendous amount of press. By merely calling something what it is (and Mark, for the past four years, NOONE in San Francisco has put on a specific live looping festival to my knowledge, despite the really large number of excellent looping artists that reside in that city). It's a ploy to get established folks!!!!!! I'm surprised that so many critics of this strategy have never really looked at what it's purpose is forIt's also a great thing to put on a resume when one is trying to apply for other music festivals or for musical grants. Because a lot of people in this community are really striving to be innovative musically (including the wonderful Andre La Fosse who wants absolutely nothing to do with the live looping movement) we have to rely on festivals, grants and unusual gigs to get our asses out there. that's all that its' about: PUTTING IT OUT THERE. Creating something out of nothing. It takes courage and chutzpah to put something out to the world...............if you could see the excitement and nervousness of the newbies who play these festivals for the first time.....................you would realize that all the hype and all the arguments on the list and all the hours and all the money are well, well worth it. The next time you are critical of this process (which is okay by me) ask yourself this.......................when was the last time I played out.............when was the last time I released a CD........... Come participate if it floats your boat..................................boycott it if it floats your boat. I, myself, am planning to really enjoy myself this weekend because I will get to sit back and here a lot of courageous people express themselves creatively. Can that be such a bad thing? yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 17:44:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96LZJx11323; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031006213518.54657.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:35:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: Y2K3 loopfest carpool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings loopophiles. First of all, I'd like to apologize for a couple unintentional posts to the list, when I just hit 'reply' to messages. I'll be more careful, I promise! Second, I wanted to see if anyone wants to carpool from the east bay down to santa cruz for the loopfest this weekend. I'm playing on Sunday evening, and I'm planning on driving down saturday afternoon, probably coming back monday. I suppose I could come back sunday night if necessary, though. I'm going by myself, and I could either drive or be driven. Please reply off the list (don't follow my example :) Thanks, Joe B ===== _______________________________________________________ Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 18:06:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96M3Di17165; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Female Looper Group Name Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:03:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031006213518.54657.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Loop Ho's Gary Always trying to thing of better group names From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 18:18:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96MA9e19254; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:10:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016a01c38c56$6ab92320$2761f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310061932.h96JWTD19345@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: conflict, anger and unsubscribing Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:08:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everybody, I get a little concerned when I here of people wanting to unsubscribe from this list whenever anger or fights erupt. These outbursts of negativity hurt me too, but there are several things we can do about it. Remember that you can filter out specific posters in your e-mail browser. If there is a particular person who gets your goat all the time...............just filter him/her out. we do this in real life.................we just avoid people who are negative or hurtful by not inviting them to our homes or parties.................. Instead of unscubscribing (because this list really is imperfect, just like any community of human beings anywhere)..................please remember that you lessen the community by refusing to pariticipate. the people who thrive on dissension, arguments, fighting, provocation and put downs of other artists really win that way. The other thing to remember is that when we are attacked, we do have to look at what we are doing. I've really had to reevaluate how much work I've put into the live looping scene because people have attacked me for my work. I feel at peace with what I"m doing and have pledged to myself to be a little more aware of people's egos because of the criticism............It's helped me, I think. We are a community.......................let's stay committed to being one, warts and all. yours, Rick ps Oh yeah, and why doesn't everyone who's really upset by all this write a really great and angry looping piece this week and put it on their next record. When I was in London for my first show, the band that I was opening for was really rude to me and didn't want to move their equipment; both of my main loopers suddenly started having problems, the venue producer was really spacey and not really helpful and I got really, really tweaked out and angry about all of it. At one point, I said to my wife, "I've never cancelled a show before because of my emotions, but I"m so angry that I"m not even sure if I should go on or not." She said, "why don't you perform angrily?" That stopped me in my tracks............lol..................I went out and did as angry a performance as I've ever done (and I used to play punk music back in the day when I was really an angry young man). I just raged at the audience (lol, in an instrumental way), Well, it fucking blew my mind: the audience LOVE IT!!!!! It was one of my better shows, I think. I think , in retrospect, that all audiences respect authenticity more than anything. To watch an incredibly repressed new age ambient musician playing softly and soothingly can make me want to jump out of my skin. By the same token, to see a rough and tough, angry industrial noise artist unable to ever express anything soft is also really unnerving and unsatisfying. just my two cents From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 19:19:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96NFgo30723; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:15:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F81F663.A66C2F62@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:10:27 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Andre LaFosse responds to Rick Walker responds to Mark Sottilaro References: <200310061218.h96CIHm29817@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f301c38c4f$8ec84360$2761f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks, "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Because a lot of people in this community are really striving to be > innovative musically (including the wonderful Andre La Fosse who wants > absolutely nothing to do with the live looping movement) we have to rely on > festivals, grants and unusual gigs to get our asses out there. Allow me to offer my own opinion as to what I do and don't want. If I can get a decent amount of time to do my thing as a solo looping artist, cool. If I can get the same amount of load-in, soundcheck, and tear-down time that I would get in a dive bar, wonderful. If I can get my music across to a new audience, awesome. If I can stand some chance of seeing some of the money people are paying in order to attend the gig I'm playing, hallelujiah! My experience, after having attended and performed at over half a dozen "looping gigs" in the last couple of years, is this: 1) I have never played as well at a "looping gig" as I have in regular venues like rock clubs or coffee shops (which is where my best solo shows have consistently happened, even when sandwiched between several other acts on the bill the same night) 2) I have never had as much time to play my Echoplex-intensive music at a "looping gig" as I have had at a "regular" gig 3) The tendency at every single "looping gig" I've seen or played at is towards sticking as many different artists on the bill as is humanly possible, and/or emphasizing duo and trio jamming over individual performance slots. This leads to the first two factors I've mentioned already. As you yourself are fond of saying, Rick, that's really OK. It seems like that's all a fundamental part of what you want to do. It's your brainchild, and you deserve to lead your community in whatever way you see fit. It's telling that you claim to find it impossible to do your thing in a conventional performance outlet, having to "rely on festivals, grants and unusual gigs." Whereas I have found it consistently difficult to do my thing well in any gig explicitly defined as a "live looping event." Fortunately for us both, you don't need to play regular places in order to get your music heard. And I definitely don't need to play a looping festival in order to get a gig. Different strokes for different folks... and different promotional strategies for different musicians with very, very little in common other than the presence of long delay units in their rigs. So no, Rick, contrary to your statement, I don't refuse to have anything to do with the "live looping movement." (Particularly since I still don't understand exactly what that is in the first place!) If someone can offer me a gig with the same basic length/set-up/pay terms that I can get at a dive bar on the Sunset Strip, then I'd be happy to seriously consider it, regardless of what they call themselves. But if those terms are more than live looping as a movement can accommodate, then clearly it's the wrong place for me to be. --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 19:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96Nd2f01979; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:39:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F81FD16.8020203@biink.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:39:02 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) References: <95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7yoefB.A.ye.V0fg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email. > WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" > Sottilaro seems to be right behind it. Yep, what's up with that? Apparently he has some issues. I'm tired of his rants, don't care to see him rip on other people. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 19:57:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96NskD04787; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:54:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:54:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:54:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C490000F5C1@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h96NskU04765 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem pretty funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all somewhat silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or 'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and participating in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 22:52:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h972mlH02578; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ba.47c2005a.2cb38375_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ba.47c2005a.2cb38375_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any other list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago for his bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who I consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" and deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to continue, this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. Tim In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem pretty > funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all > somewhat > silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions > are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of > those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half > of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have > an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or > 'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should > include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the > person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's > ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again > in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and > participating > in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) > > peace > -cpr > > --part1_ba.47c2005a.2cb38375_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someon= e says "Fuck You!" to another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't=20= be tolerated on any other list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have b= een booted off long ago for his bullshit. And I believe this was the second=20= time he piled onto Jeff (who I consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you= should "pull your head out" and deal with reality here- as long as this kin= d of behavior is allowed to continue, this list is essentially Mark's, and n= ot the "community"'s (whatever that is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong make= s you wrong too.

Tim




In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.co= m writes:

Sorry if this seems way off, bu= t from the outside, you guys all seem pretty
funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all somewh= at
silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions=
are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of
those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or
'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should
include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the
person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's<= BR> ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again
in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and partici= pating
in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :)

peace
-cpr



 --part1_ba.47c2005a.2cb38375_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 23:06:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9733bS05773; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:03:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c38c7f$9a34e980$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:03:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C38C5E.129D0280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.151.145] at Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:03:29 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C38C5E.129D0280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just skip the boring scatological posts. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fsksync@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects = a scoobie snack Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" = to another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on = any other list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted = off long ago for his bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he = piled onto Jeff (who I consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you = should "pull your head out" and deal with reality here- as long as this = kind of behavior is allowed to continue, this list is essentially = Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that is). Wrong is wrong. = Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too.=20 Tim In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = cpr@musetrap.com writes: Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem = pretty funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's = all somewhat silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that = opinions are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for = victims of those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom = half of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I = have an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is = looping' or 'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) = should include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling = the person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, = "that's ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over = again in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and = participating in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) peace -cpr ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C38C5E.129D0280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just skip the boring scatological=20 posts.  
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fsksync@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 = 10:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: Chris Roberts = responds to=20 the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack

Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when = someone=20 says "Fuck You!" to another member that is a personal attack and = wouldn't be=20 tolerated on any other list I've ever been a member of. Mark would = have been=20 booted off long ago for his bullshit. And I believe this was the = second time=20 he piled onto Jeff (who I consider a friend) for no reason. Some of = you should=20 "pull your head out" and deal with reality here- as long as this kind = of=20 behavior is allowed to continue, this list is essentially Mark's, and = not the=20 "community"'s (whatever that is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes = you=20 wrong too.

Tim




In a message dated 10/6/03 = 4:57:34=20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes:

Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you = guys all=20 seem pretty
funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied = 'waaaaa's=20 it's all somewhat
silly when coming from adults... I think it's = best to=20 remember that opinions
are like assholes... everyone has one... = ok,=20 except maybe for victims of
those severe accidents which result = in the=20 loss of the entire bottom half
of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they = still can=20 have opinions... and, as I have
an opinion, I don't believe that = our=20 opinions about 'what is looping' or
'what gear is best' or = 'whether=20 someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should
include insults... is it = not=20 possible to disagree without belittling the
person(s) you = disagree with?=20 hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's
ok"... :) I hope = everyone=20 can adopt the advice given over and over again
in regards to = ignoring the=20 stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and participating
in the = stuff that=20 does... blah.. blah.. blah...=20 = :)

peace
-cpr



<= /FONT> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C38C5E.129D0280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 00:40:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h974bXR18663; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:37:32 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, sorry for this off topic post. i have an opportunity to snag an oberheim matrix 6r for $180. meanwhile i have an opportunity to buy a matrix 1000 and the access programmer for it for like $225 for the whole package. i'm divided on which i should go for, if either. i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. i know the matrix 6r will give me that sound. however, it is 4 rack spaces. i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. is it still a true analog synth?? does it sound as fat and warm?? and it costs a little more, too. i would hate to shell out money i don't have, and then not have that warm, fuzzy sound i fell in love with. anybody heard either or both of these? what would you go for? thanks for reading. feel free to email me privately so this OT stuff doesn't clog up the list. THANK YOU! loop on, dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 00:44:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h974ep519164; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:40:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:40:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:40:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Rick Walker responds to Mark Sottilaro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00f301c38c4f$8ec84360$2761f93f@global> Message-Id: <6BF36C41-F880-11D7-949F-000393BAA0F6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [162.84.238.246] at Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:40:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have a great festival rick! new york is COLD...!! On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > for the record: > > I really like Mark Sottilaro a lot. I value his presence on the list. > I really like Kim Flint a lot. I value his presence (and reluctant > leadership of this community) a lot. > > They both think I'm full of shit with this whole live looping thingee. > > It's really okay. I'm nor losing sleep over it, really (all though I > am > losing sleep or the rash of last minute > cancellations and shedule changes for this weekends > festivals.........lol) > > Mark and I will laugh and laugh the next time we get together. > Shit, as > of tonight, we'll > both have blue hair...........along with Kim's purple ponytailed > coder/mullet that makes us probably the only > loopers on this list who have wierd hair colors. We're brothers in > that > respect at least.............and I really dug > Marks' set at Loopstock and am really sad that he doesn't want to > participate, but that's okay, too. > > I HAVE been oversensitive on this list about criticism of promoting the > looping festivals and the live looping scene. > In particular, I was really hurt at the time my mom died when Kim was > so > critical of the scene. > > But that is also okay. > > My working definition of intimacy is that we have the ability to share > negativity with each other > and can still be friends. It's okay. Not everybody gets a thrill > out of > playing our little, 'self congratulatory' > live looping festivals. A lot do though, and it makes my year to > attend > Loopfest or the Y2K_ series. I've really > forged some great friendships. > > As far as criticism goes, the way I see it, if you are doing > something with > all of your heart > and you are really putting yourself out in the public eye, you are > going to > piss off, threaten, annoy and otherwise > cause negative attention in a certain population. > > I've tried as much as possible to serve my community (or percieved > community) with my efforts in the last five years > here at Loopers Delight. > > Do I have an ego? Of course I do. Any musician who puts what they > are > doing out > to the public has to have some ego.........otherwise you just sit in > your > bedroom never interacting with people. > Do I care about trying hard to create a nurturing and supportive > community > that produces exciting events > for people to play at and attend. You bet. > > Do I think that I"m God's gift to the looping > world.........................FUCK NO!!!!!!! I just want to have > places > to play, exciting events to attend and a loving and supportive > community to > be a part of.............it's really that simple > > > ************* > > Also, I wanted to say something that is very obvious to me about (and > a few > people just don't get) this whole '1st LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL strategy > that > I use (shamelessly, I have to admit). > > I have been a successful publicist for over 25 years in the music > business. > What I have learned is: Like a good pop > song, you have to have a "hook" to get the journalists, radio DJs and > the > public interested in what you are doing: > ESPECIALLY IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST conveniently in the > traditional record store categories. > > Using this strategy has gotten our live looping scene a tremendous > amount of > press. By merely calling something what it is > (and Mark, for the past four years, NOONE in San Francisco has put on a > specific live looping festival to my knowledge, despite the > really large number of excellent looping artists that reside in that > city). > > It's a ploy to get established folks!!!!!! I'm surprised that so > many > critics of this strategy have never really looked at what it's purpose > is > forIt's also a great thing to put on a resume when one is trying to > apply > for other music festivals or for musical grants. > Because a lot of people in this community are really striving to be > innovative musically (including the wonderful Andre La Fosse who wants > absolutely nothing to do with the live looping movement) we have to > rely on > festivals, grants and unusual gigs to get our asses out there. > > that's all that its' about: PUTTING IT OUT THERE. Creating > something > out of nothing. > > > It takes courage and chutzpah to put something out to the > world...............if you could see the excitement and nervousness > of the > newbies who play these festivals for the first > time.....................you > would realize that all the hype and all the arguments on the list > and all the hours and all the money are well, well worth it. > > The next time you are critical of this process (which is okay by me) > ask > yourself this.......................when was the last time I played > out.............when was the last time I released a CD........... > > Come participate if it floats your > boat..................................boycott it if it floats your > boat. > > I, myself, am planning to really enjoy myself this weekend because I > will > get to sit back and here a lot of courageous people > express themselves creatively. > > Can that be such a bad thing? > > yours, Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 01:19:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h975Gpk24804; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c38c92$0726c100$0c63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310070444.h974i1j19719@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Rick responds to Andres response to Rick's response to Mark................LOL Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:15:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Andre, That is as clear as clear can be and duly noted for the future. Thankfully, by the way, in this area, all this loop festival nonsense (with it's inconvenient set up times) has generated a lot of publicity and has resulted in several corporate entertainment companies in the bay area opening up to the possibilities of live loop artists playing in the spots that have traditionally been reserved for jazz quartets (play 'girl from ipanema'). I've also been hired by 1st Night celebrations, musuems, coffee shops, art exhibits, private parties These are lucrative gigs and they have opened up because we did these festivals and got people in this area to pay attention to this 'new' thing. Of course, it's not new, but to the average listener it is wierd and exotic to see a musician clone themselves and then slice and dice it all up as an artform. Also, Bill and I opened for Michelle Shocked the other night because the promoters had heard of our loop festival exploits all the way in the Boston area. The festivals have their drawbacks, for sure...........but all big summer music festivals do. None of the big ones have times for soundchecks (including the ones that are very famous and pay a lot of money). the festivals then ....................1) create community solidarity ````````````````````````````````````````2) make artists feel supported (including artists just starting out) 3) create a lot of publicity which will help in the days to come 4) are a whole hell of a lot of fun, but not for everyone. I'm sad you don't play them and sad that all they are is frustrating for you...............but I accept that it's not your thing. By the way, your CD is really great...............I'm listening to it now. yours, respectfully , Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 01:40:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h975aLU27417; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <86969.1065504977516.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:36:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Blue Reply-To: Blue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rick responds to Andres response to Rick's response to Mark................LOL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, can you please help me understand how to stop the flow of the individual e-mails landing on my service. I think there is a way to have them come in on package. My dial up is so slow it is taking me forever to open my email program. Thanks, Blue -----Original Message----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" Sent: Oct 6, 2003 10:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rick responds to Andres response to Rick's response to Mark................LOL Dear Andre, That is as clear as clear can be and duly noted for the future. Thankfully, by the way, in this area, all this loop festival nonsense (with it's inconvenient set up times) has generated a lot of publicity and has resulted in several corporate entertainment companies in the bay area opening up to the possibilities of live loop artists playing in the spots that have traditionally been reserved for jazz quartets (play 'girl from ipanema'). I've also been hired by 1st Night celebrations, musuems, coffee shops, art exhibits, private parties These are lucrative gigs and they have opened up because we did these festivals and got people in this area to pay attention to this 'new' thing. Of course, it's not new, but to the average listener it is wierd and exotic to see a musician clone themselves and then slice and dice it all up as an artform. Also, Bill and I opened for Michelle Shocked the other night because the promoters had heard of our loop festival exploits all the way in the Boston area. The festivals have their drawbacks, for sure...........but all big summer music festivals do. None of the big ones have times for soundchecks (including the ones that are very famous and pay a lot of money). the festivals then ....................1) create community solidarity ````````````````````````````````````````2) make artists feel supported (including artists just starting out) 3) create a lot of publicity which will help in the days to come 4) are a whole hell of a lot of fun, but not for everyone. I'm sad you don't play them and sad that all they are is frustrating for you...............but I accept that it's not your thing. By the way, your CD is really great...............I'm listening to it now. yours, respectfully , Rick Blue From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 02:00:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h975ucH30079; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007001011.047fc250@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:55:08 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. Hi Dylan, First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo (MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times (although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but not nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds a little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. The 1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. The 6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the oscillators on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an overall sound that's a little more fat. Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the 6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my 1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and I've never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, you can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a single out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are six-voice polyphonic. As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to be sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's (and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement chips for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's easier to get replacement parts. Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them are actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. While you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with 1k of patches as your starting point. Hope that helps... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 02:55:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h976qUF05370; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:52:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:52:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:52:14 EDT Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed! Tim F In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes: > At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: > > >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, > >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > > > >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that > >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the > >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology > >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. > > Hi Dylan, > > First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo > (MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion > regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm > you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. > > I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times > (although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but not > nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds a > little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. The > 1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. The > 6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the oscillators > on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an > overall sound that's a little more fat. > > Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the > 6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' > version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide > version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my > 1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and I've > never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. > > To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you > to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, you > can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely > different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a single > out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it > using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are > six-voice polyphonic. > > As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes > up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to be > sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently > Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can > say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' > hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's > (and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long > as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the > field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement chips > for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used > by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's easier > to get replacement parts. > > Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to > start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them are > actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best > submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch > bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. While > you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a > bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. > > So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral > across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with 1k > of patches as your starting point. > > Hope that helps... > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > --part1_8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed!
Tim F



In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicl= e.net writes:

At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dy= lan wrote:

>i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm,
>the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want.
>
>i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that
>same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the
>same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology
>differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space.

Hi Dylan,

First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo
(MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com).  There's been a bunch of discussion regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value.

I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times
(although not directly head-to-head).  There are some differences, but=20= not
nearly as many as you'd expect.  General consensus is that the 6r sound= s a
little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. = The
1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's.  T= he
6r has separate crystals for each DCO.  Therefore, each of the oscillat= ors
on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an overall sound that's a little more fat.

Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the=20=
6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' version.  Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wid= e
version sounds very slightly better.  That said, I can tell you that my=
1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive.  I've had it for over a decade and=20= I've
never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department.

To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you=20=
to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs.  No,=20= you
can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely
different versions of the same patch.  The 1000 is only mono with a sin= gle
out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>).  Both devices=20= are
six-voice polyphonic.

As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u).  The 1000 is said t= o be
sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently
Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter.  I ca= n
say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's <= BR> (and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long <= BR> as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the
field).  Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement ch= ips
for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used=20=
by the 6r.  So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's ea= sier
to get replacement parts.

Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to start with -- 200 of which are user-editable.  And the majority of them= are
actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best
submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch
bank).  That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most.&nb= sp; While
you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips.

So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral <= BR> across two outs.  1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with=20= 1k
of patches as your starting point.

Hope that helps...

     -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
            &nbs= p;            -recoil=



--part1_8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 03:58:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h977tw313698; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:55:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:55:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a401c38ca8$397b92a0$bc3c5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT Gig Spam: Spock's Beard and Pinnacle at New Jersey Proghouse Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:54:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Esteemed listmates and fellow riff raff, My prog rock band Pinnacle has a very important gig (for us). Here's the official announcement. Cheers, Bill Fox Pinnacle Bassist and Promotions Pinnacle info@everything2xs.com http://everything2xs.com P.O. Box 632 Nazareth, Pennsylvania 18064-0632 Our new CD is called "A Man's Reach..." on Everything To Excess Records. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NJ Proghouse" Subject: Spocks Beard is coming to the proghouse series > Well folks when it rains it pours. > With tongue firmly planted in check I apologize for bringing so > many good shows so close to each other. > > The njproghouse and The Fellowship for Metlar House series > now present: > > Spock's Beard with special guest Pinnacle > Saturday November 15th > 8 pm > At The Forum Theatre > Metuchen NJ > > Tickets will be $25 in advance and seating will be general admission. > on sale starting at 7 a.m. starting Tuesday 10/7 > > For all the details and tickets go to > http://www.progradio.net/njproghouse/ > > Peace- > Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 04:18:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h978DnB17384; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F8245CF.1040009@accord.it> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:49:19 +0500 From: cristian cascetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you all for the precious suggestions!!! Your open-mindness and simpaty confirmed me this list is a very nice place to talk about the deep musical questions and not only technical ones. I'll try to follow your ideas and approach looping as a "musical instrument" more than as a "technology". As I think I'm not the only one approaching looping for the first time, I hope this discussion can be useful for someone else! cristian max valentino wrote: > Thank you, Scott, for the very nice compliment! > > In regards to composition with loops, one must consider just what you > want/need to do with the loop, when and how. > I have been giving all of this a lot of attention lately in my own > work. For me, the challenge has been to make the "loopage" more > interactive with the real time playing. > > One very cool aspect of the LD list,is the interchange bewteen > players. It seems all of us use different approaches to > looping/performance/composition, of which the techniques, tips and > tricks we are all quite welcome, even eager, to share with others. > This allows for a great deal of mutual influences and > cross-pollination, so to speak. > > I have noticed a few things about we loopists and how we work. > There are some of us who pile up fx and processing before the loop and > make each "layer" have it's own sonic signature, allowing it to > standout from the other layers. In this aspect, it is much like > multi-track recording, and is very much an additive approach in which > our "box" is contiually being filled until it can simply hold no > more. Perhaps, Christian, this is one dilemma you have encountered > with your own looping. Of course, the only remedy to this is to know > when to stop adding to the loop. > At thast point it may be creative to begin subtracting from the loop, > peeling away layers before constructing new ones. > > There are also some on this list who prefer to process, or "treat" the > loops themselves; often referred to here as "mangling". In some ways > this helps to alieviate the "filling up the box" syndrome, as with > this technique the loopist needs to pay attention to what has already > been recorded, and how that is been effected by any treatments. For > instrance, running a loop thru a filter device can drastically change > the sonic foundation and "flow" of a piece, taking it along an > entirely new tangent. This approach can seem to subtractive, as the > player is, at times, filtering out bits of sound, or, at very least, > "evolving", mutating, or re-constructing an recorded (and looped) event. > > Of course, there are those who do both of the above. Again, the key > to a well-looped performance is knowing when to stop adding to a loop, > when to treat, or stop treating, when to "undo"..etc. > And, that just comes with hours and hours of practice, and paying > attention to oine's own creative flow. > > In both cases here, there is a tendancy to create a loop and let it > run, with all the varied, "added" parts, for the length of a piece. > For my own compositons, of late, I have been working with loops > which I "fly" in and out of a piece, adding color and texture, > rather than being a static event which I add to or play over. Having > the ability to run multiple loops in parallel means I can fade in and > out short loops to add color/contrast, density, accompaniment, and > texture to a solo bass piece. I can "remove" them from the piece, and > yet bring them back at a different point in the performance to provide > a sense of continuity. This makes the "loop" interactive with my own > playing, and hopefully, when done right, it is seamless enough to not > stand out from the rest of the "played" performance ( in what the > audience may percieve as "canned"). > > Again, this is considering how you use a loop, as well as when, and > where the loop is used. Recording a loop, rhythmic or harmonic, > layering a buch of stuff over it, and playing over that, while being > the "direction" many of us started taking when we first entered into > looping, hardly makes use of the potential of "live-looping" (yet > again, it is one approach which is certainly viable....if only a > "one-dimensional" approach, and again, knowing when to stop adding to > the loop will make it more "musical", knowing when to peel away layers > of the loop could help make this approach more two-dimensional). > > Then there is the LaFosse-school, where the players actually "plays" > the loop. Andre actually eschews any fx processing in his gtr-EDP-amp > signal chain, but his ability to "play" the EDP, carving up , slicing > and dicing, his gtr loops, creates something totally unique and > wonderful, and is a rather original way of "composing" with loops. > > Although I do not use an EDP, Andre's work, and his techniques of > working with a loop (rather than merely to it), has had a tremedous > influence on my own concepts of "composing" with loops. > This "interactive-ness" allows the tool (looping device) to become an > instrument in its' own right, and leads to countless possibilities of > re-structuring both sound and the form of a composition. > > > Max > > > >> From: Scott Kungha Drengsen > >> Hello Christian, >> My 1st Cd "Bassapes" was pretty much layering and reverse on a >> Boomerang.(This was before I discovered this list the Echoplex and >> the work of Daved Torn and Jeff Pearce).I think that Steve Lawson and >> Max Valentino are bassists who are masters of this approach. >> >>> >> cristian cascetta wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 >>> months ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: >>> > >>> >>> How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some >>> composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass >>> looping busking. >>> >>> When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then >>> I add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and >>> messing up everything. >>> >>> I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I >>> lose the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I >>> tend to answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent >>> part producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. >>> >>> I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some >>> suggestions from you experienced loopers. >>> >>> cristian >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time > offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 04:27:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h978O5D18762; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:24:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: conflict, anger and unsubscribing Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:25:41 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <016a01c38c56$6ab92320$2761f93f@global> Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: bR6lcgZc8ee7815r4rbJGOjtEIHOPo-M05VO+kjPHeLUGzWJZgQXEl@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > and did as angry a performance > as I've ever done > I just raged at the audience > Well, it fucking blew my mind: > the audience LOVE IT!!!!! that's right ... use your anger and its energy ... I noticed a couple of times myself that I when I was angry for some reason, and played with people while being in this state, I could play more energetically and wild and more interesting ... I was feeling less insecure, and more carried by that energy, not really giving a shit about what it would sound like ... and it came out more authentically this way. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 04:44:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h978gm721029; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F824C9D.2060800@accord.it> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:18:21 +0500 From: cristian cascetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Rc0HD.A.cIF.Iyng_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very interesting ideas! I'm sorry my English is so poor I can't express as I whould. I begin understanding how experienced loopers approach composing. your classification of looping approaches is very interesting, it helped me to re-organize my approach and choose between different strategies. It's strange how organizing ideas can simplify the creative process! Your ideas helped me also to understand a problem in my approach: I couldn't stop playing and letting the loop go! I had the impression not to be playing... After a bit reflection I thougt the reason is that when I try to imagine me looping live in front of some audience, I'm scared about the idea of stop playing a bit and letting things go. I'll try to visualize the question in a different way: a non-musical idea of playing live was more important than music itself! It's incredible how looping is linked to self-knowledge, in particular for musicians not used to play alone! cristian max valentino wrote: > Thank you, Scott, for the very nice compliment! > > In regards to composition with loops, one must consider just what you > want/need to do with the loop, when and how. > I have been giving all of this a lot of attention lately in my own > work. For me, the challenge has been to make the "loopage" more > interactive with the real time playing. > > One very cool aspect of the LD list,is the interchange bewteen > players. It seems all of us use different approaches to > looping/performance/composition, of which the techniques, tips and > tricks we are all quite welcome, even eager, to share with others. > This allows for a great deal of mutual influences and > cross-pollination, so to speak. > > I have noticed a few things about we loopists and how we work. > There are some of us who pile up fx and processing before the loop and > make each "layer" have it's own sonic signature, allowing it to > standout from the other layers. In this aspect, it is much like > multi-track recording, and is very much an additive approach in which > our "box" is contiually being filled until it can simply hold no > more. Perhaps, Christian, this is one dilemma you have encountered > with your own looping. Of course, the only remedy to this is to know > when to stop adding to the loop. > At thast point it may be creative to begin subtracting from the loop, > peeling away layers before constructing new ones. > > There are also some on this list who prefer to process, or "treat" the > loops themselves; often referred to here as "mangling". In some ways > this helps to alieviate the "filling up the box" syndrome, as with > this technique the loopist needs to pay attention to what has already > been recorded, and how that is been effected by any treatments. For > instrance, running a loop thru a filter device can drastically change > the sonic foundation and "flow" of a piece, taking it along an > entirely new tangent. This approach can seem to subtractive, as the > player is, at times, filtering out bits of sound, or, at very least, > "evolving", mutating, or re-constructing an recorded (and looped) event. > > Of course, there are those who do both of the above. Again, the key > to a well-looped performance is knowing when to stop adding to a loop, > when to treat, or stop treating, when to "undo"..etc. > And, that just comes with hours and hours of practice, and paying > attention to oine's own creative flow. > > In both cases here, there is a tendancy to create a loop and let it > run, with all the varied, "added" parts, for the length of a piece. > For my own compositons, of late, I have been working with loops > which I "fly" in and out of a piece, adding color and texture, > rather than being a static event which I add to or play over. Having > the ability to run multiple loops in parallel means I can fade in and > out short loops to add color/contrast, density, accompaniment, and > texture to a solo bass piece. I can "remove" them from the piece, and > yet bring them back at a different point in the performance to provide > a sense of continuity. This makes the "loop" interactive with my own > playing, and hopefully, when done right, it is seamless enough to not > stand out from the rest of the "played" performance ( in what the > audience may percieve as "canned"). > > Again, this is considering how you use a loop, as well as when, and > where the loop is used. Recording a loop, rhythmic or harmonic, > layering a buch of stuff over it, and playing over that, while being > the "direction" many of us started taking when we first entered into > looping, hardly makes use of the potential of "live-looping" (yet > again, it is one approach which is certainly viable....if only a > "one-dimensional" approach, and again, knowing when to stop adding to > the loop will make it more "musical", knowing when to peel away layers > of the loop could help make this approach more two-dimensional). > > Then there is the LaFosse-school, where the players actually "plays" > the loop. Andre actually eschews any fx processing in his gtr-EDP-amp > signal chain, but his ability to "play" the EDP, carving up , slicing > and dicing, his gtr loops, creates something totally unique and > wonderful, and is a rather original way of "composing" with loops. > > Although I do not use an EDP, Andre's work, and his techniques of > working with a loop (rather than merely to it), has had a tremedous > influence on my own concepts of "composing" with loops. > This "interactive-ness" allows the tool (looping device) to become an > instrument in its' own right, and leads to countless possibilities of > re-structuring both sound and the form of a composition. > > > Max > > > >> From: Scott Kungha Drengsen > >> Hello Christian, >> My 1st Cd "Bassapes" was pretty much layering and reverse on a >> Boomerang.(This was before I discovered this list the Echoplex and >> the work of Daved Torn and Jeff Pearce).I think that Steve Lawson and >> Max Valentino are bassists who are masters of this approach. >> >>> >> cristian cascetta wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 >>> months ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: >>> > >>> >>> How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some >>> composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass >>> looping busking. >>> >>> When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then >>> I add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and >>> messing up everything. >>> >>> I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I >>> lose the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I >>> tend to answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent >>> part producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. >>> >>> I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some >>> suggestions from you experienced loopers. >>> >>> cristian >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time > offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 11:59:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Ft8r20864; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:55:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c38ceb$61e1d860$0dc6a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: anger and expression and confidence Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:55:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.198.13] at Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:54:59 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3M2CHD.A.3FF.cHug_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael - As you point out, anger can instill a sense of security -- after all that's how the emotion evolved in the first place (to instill a sense of personal safety when faced with threatening situations). A state of anger invokes different rules of behavior for the angry person. It is a very immediate state, that does not hold within it a sense of repercussions for actions taken. So our "self-editing" functions go out the window and we "express" -- which speaks to your feeling of authenticity, perhaps. Various drugs will have the same effect -- loosening the grip of our inhibitions. Each of these, in different ways, allow for "uninhibited flow" to envelop the moment. I guess the moral of all this is to say we don't need drugs or anger to freely express ourselves -- we just need confidence in ourselves. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:25 AM Subject: RE: conflict, anger and unsubscribing > > and did as angry a performance > > as I've ever done > > I just raged at the audience > > Well, it fucking blew my mind: > > the audience LOVE IT!!!!! > > that's right ... use your anger and its energy ... I noticed a couple of > times myself that I when I was angry for some reason, and played with people > while being in this state, I could play more energetically and wild and more > interesting ... I was feeling less insecure, and more carried by that > energy, not really giving a shit about what it would sound like ... and it > came out more authentically this way. > > = michael peters > = www.michaelpeters.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 11:59:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Fl1519660; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F82E00F.9050901@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:47:27 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com Organization: Rosewoodblues LTD. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com weren't you going to un subscribe? Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to >another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any other >list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago for his >bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who I >consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" and >deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to continue, >this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that >is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. > >Tim > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com >writes: > > > >>Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem pretty >>funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all >>somewhat >>silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions >>are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of >>those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half >>of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have >>an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or >>'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should >>include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the >>person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's >>ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again >>in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and >>participating >>in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) >> >>peace >>-cpr >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 12:14:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97G49p23716; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:04:08 +0900 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dylan, Sounds are some different, but Access Programmer is very useful and rare.. and it can recording SysEx data by real time.turning knob is non stress for making sounds.. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com At 21:37 -0700 03.10.6, dylan wrote: >hi all, > >sorry for this off topic post. i have an opportunity to >snag an oberheim matrix 6r for $180. meanwhile i have an >opportunity to buy a matrix 1000 and the access programmer >for it for like $225 for the whole package. i'm divided on >which i should go for, if either. > >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > >i know the matrix 6r will give me that sound. however, it >is 4 rack spaces. > >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. is it still a >true analog synth?? does it sound as fat and warm?? and it >costs a little more, too. i would hate to shell out money i >don't have, and then not have that warm, fuzzy sound i fell >in love with. > >anybody heard either or both of these? what would you go >for? > >thanks for reading. feel free to email me privately so this >OT stuff doesn't clog up the list. THANK YOU! > >loop on, > >dylan > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 12:48:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97GfUe28848; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:41:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:41:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:41:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C49000100F3@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h97GfTU28826 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little I can, and ignore the bullshit... -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a >scoobie snack >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to >another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any >other >list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago >for his >bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who >I >consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" >and >deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to continue, > >this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that > >is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. > >Tim > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com > >writes: > >> Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem pretty >> funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all >> somewhat >> silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions >> are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of >> those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half >> of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have >> an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or >> 'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should >> include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the >> person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's >> ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again >> in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and >> participating >> in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 13:02:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97GvH132714; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:57:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:57:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:57:17 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? From: bdeivert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4F034270-F8E7-11D7-A39B-0003934F5EDA@telia.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2TXA4C.A.A_H.tBvg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I have the Electrix repeater and wonder which 256MB cf card works??? I tried a SANDISK BUT ONLY GOT THAT TO WORK IN MONO. Any suggestions? Cheers Bert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 13:18:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97H3UE02433; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:03:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:03:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:03:29 -0600 Message-Id: <200310071703.h97H3TW28200@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.17.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <2ukdsC.A.7l.iHvg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe that http://www.newegg.com has Simpletech cards available that work in most all configurations (backwards, stereo, etc). Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 13:22:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97HAOu03332; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:10:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:10:22 -0400 Subject: Gibson customer service Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200310070444.h974i1219722@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <22F47AF2-F8E9-11D7-A3A5-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody has gibson customer service's contact? i am trying to find an address to send a malfunctioning oberheim edp. gibson's site is super slow and the support link does not work on the edp page. cheers, laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:10:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Hx5D12186; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:59:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:59:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George W. Bush in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom (personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy. Yes, just ignore injustice~ it'll just go away, right? Leave it to some other guy to deal with, some other day... What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age. I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just desserts may vary. Tim In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative > to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. > hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little > I can, and ignore the bullshit... > > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: Fsksync@aol.com > >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT > >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects > a > >scoobie snack > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to > > >another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any > >other > >list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago > >for his > >bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who > >I > >consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" > >and > >deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to > continue, > > > >this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that > > > >is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > cpr@musetrap.com > > > >writes: > > > >>Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem > pretty > >>funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all > > >>somewhat > >>silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that > opinions > >>are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims > of > >>those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom > half > >>of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I > have > >>an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' > or > >>'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should > >>include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling > the > >>person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, > "that's > >>ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again > >>in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and > > >>participating > >>in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) > >> > >>peace > >>-cpr > >> > >> > > > > > --part1_7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a mo= ron like George W. Bush in the White house, and the horror, degradation and=20= loss of freedom (personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy.
Yes, just ignore injustice~  it'll just go away, right? Leave it to som= e other guy to deal with, some other day...
What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age.
I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just desserts= may vary.

Tim


In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.co= m writes:

giving time to something gives=20= it life... ignoring it kills it, relative
to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little I can, and ignore the bullshit... 

-cpr

>-- Original Message --
>From: Fsksync@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT
>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a
>scoobie snack
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
>Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!"=20= to

>another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on an= y
>other
>list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ag= o
>for his
>bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who=
>I
>consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out= "
>and
>deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to continue,
>
>this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever tha= t
>
>is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too.
>
>Tim
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetra= p.com
>
>writes:
>
>>Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem=
pretty
>>funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's al= l

>>somewhat
>>silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that=20= opinions
>>are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victim= s
of
>>those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom=
half
>>of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I=
have
>>an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping= '
or
>>'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) sh= ould
>>include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling=
the
>>person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me,=20= "that's
>>ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over a= gain
>>in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and=

>>participating
>>in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :)
>>
>>peace
>>-cpr
>>
>>
>




 --part1_7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:19:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97I5h113411; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007130307.02dabc80@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:04:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: <8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com De nada! No trouble at all. (eh, so I'm a synth geek.... ;) -c- At 02:52 AM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed! > >Tim F > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >catilyne@icicle.net writes: > >>At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: >> >> >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, >> >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. >> > >> >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that >> >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the >> >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology >> >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. >> >>Hi Dylan, >> >>First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo >>(MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion >>regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm >>you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. >> >>I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times >>(although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but not >>nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds a >>little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. The >>1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. The >>6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the oscillators >>on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an >>overall sound that's a little more fat. >> >>Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the >>6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' >>version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide >>version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my >>1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and I've >>never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. >> >>To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you >>to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, you >>can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely >>different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a single >>out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it >>using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are >>six-voice polyphonic. >> >>As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes >>up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to be >>sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently >>Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can >>say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' >>hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's >>(and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long >>as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the >>field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement chips >>for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used >>by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's easier >>to get replacement parts. >> >>Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to >>start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them are >>actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best >>submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch >>bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. While >>you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a >>bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. >> >>So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral >>across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with 1k >>of patches as your starting point. >> >>Hope that helps... >> >> -c- >> >>_____ >>"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" >> -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97IKqU15703; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007130530.0441b248@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:19:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7DuCzC.A.N1D.DQwg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:04 AM 10/8/2003 +0900, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hi Dylan, > >Sounds are some different, but Access Programmer is very useful and rare.. >and it can recording SysEx data by real time.turning knob is non stress >for making sounds.. Oooh, good point! I'd overlooked it in the original post, but if you ever wanted to turn the 1000+Programmer back around, you could probably pick up most of the total purchase price on the Programmer alone. One related caveat which affects both the 1000 & 6r, however. They don't like having their parameters tweaked in realtime via sysex. I've done this via both Fadermaster and sequencer merely to manually control the filter cutoff, and it results in some 'zipper noise' and stuttering within that parameter. It won't crash the machine or anything, it just sounds weird. Not entirely uninteresting, but not what I was going for either (if you're into Glitch you may feel differently). Perhaps the Programmer has a way around this, although I think the problem is actually related to how fast the CPU within the Matrix can update itself. So test before you buy, and see if it's going to be a deal breaker. As I said, I've heard this complaint from owners of both the 1000 and the 6r, so I don't think you're going to get an advantage here of one over the other. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:26:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97IJE315381; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:18:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148399082_66348_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148399082_66348_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I tried a number of "fast" cards and found that the only ones that worked well were the SimpleTech brand. (thanks Jessops in Canary Wharf for patience and assistance) The speed that works with the Repeater seems to rest in some kind of other internal mini-OS kind of software in the cards themselves that allows better bi-directional data transfer ? ? ? Possibly. Any real info welcome I was buying 128Meg and got them in the UK from Clove Technology.... http://www.clove.co.uk/products.asp?product=CFS-128MB The test I applied was stereo recording, speed changing and quick swaps reverse/forward. Best wishes j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: bdeivert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 4:57 pm Hi I have the Electrix repeater and wonder which 256MB cf card works??? I tried a SANDISK BUT ONLY GOT THAT TO WORK IN MONO. Any suggestions? Cheers Bert --MS_Mac_OE_3148399082_66348_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? I tried a number of "fast" cards and found that the only ones tha= t worked well were the SimpleTech brand. (thanks Jessops in Canary Wharf for= patience and assistance)

The speed that works with the Repeater seems to rest in some kind of other = internal mini-OS kind of software in the cards themselves that allows better= bi-directional data transfer ? ? ? Possibly. Any real info welcome

I was buying 128Meg and got them in the UK from Clove Technology....

http://www.clove.co.uk/products.asp?product=3DCFS-12= 8MB

The test I applied was stereo recording, speed changing and quick swaps rev= erse/forward.

Best wishes

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122

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From: bdeivert <bdeivert@telia.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card???
Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 4:57 pm



Hi

I have the Electrix repeater and wonder which 256MB cf card works???  = I
tried a SANDISK BUT ONLY GOT THAT TO WORK IN MONO. Any suggestions?

Cheers
Bert





--MS_Mac_OE_3148399082_66348_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:33:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97IStG17163; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: anger and expression and confidence Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:30:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001301c38ceb$61e1d860$0dc6a344@hppav> Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: Gz21kgZBreWD9d5m0LYLMnyNW3xrPsPTBEbstmgOQUHYLg-5j9ESE1@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I guess the moral of all this is to > say we don't need drugs or anger to > freely express ourselves -- we > just need confidence in ourselves. how true David. the interesting thing about this of course (we're getting more and more OT here btw) is what to do when there is no confidence in a situation where it would be needed. :-) and (even more OT) the question arises: what is confidence anyway? or the lack of it? is there such a thing as 'false' and 'true' confidence? maybe we should discuss this off-list before Kim hits us :-) -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:39:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97ITwJ17335; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:29:36 EDT Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.33ecdad1.2cb46010_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_47.33ecdad1.2cb46010_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much closer in the single-space rack box?). Tim In a message dated 10/7/03 11:21:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes: > At 01:04 AM 10/8/2003 +0900, Sunao Inami wrote: > >Hi Dylan, > > > >Sounds are some different, but Access Programmer is very useful and rare.. > >and it can recording SysEx data by real time.turning knob is non stress > >for making sounds.. > > Oooh, good point! I'd overlooked it in the original post, but if you ever > wanted to turn the 1000+Programmer back around, you could probably pick up > most of the total purchase price on the Programmer alone. > > One related caveat which affects both the 1000 &6r, however. They don't > like having their parameters tweaked in realtime via sysex. I've done this > via both Fadermaster and sequencer merely to manually control the filter > cutoff, and it results in some 'zipper noise' and stuttering within that > parameter. It won't crash the machine or anything, it just sounds > weird. Not entirely uninteresting, but not what I was going for either (if > you're into Glitch you may feel differently). Perhaps the Programmer has a > way around this, although I think the problem is actually related to how > fast the CPU within the Matrix can update itself. So test before you buy, > and see if it's going to be a deal breaker. > > As I said, I've heard this complaint from owners of both the 1000 and the > 6r, so I don't think you're going to get an advantage here of one over the > other. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > --part1_47.33ecdad1.2cb46010_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometime= s suffers from 60 hz hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being= jammed in much closer in the single-space rack box?).

Tim



In a message dated 10/7/03 11:21:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicl= e.net writes:

At 01:04 AM 10/8/2003 +0900, Su= nao Inami wrote:
>Hi Dylan,
>
>Sounds are some different, but  Access Programmer is very useful an= d rare..
>and it can recording SysEx data by real time.turning knob is non stress=20=
>for making sounds..

Oooh, good point!  I'd overlooked it in the original post, but if you e= ver
wanted to turn the 1000+Programmer back around, you could probably pick up <= BR> most of the total purchase price on the Programmer alone.

One related caveat which affects both the 1000 &6r, however.  They=20= don't
like having their parameters tweaked in realtime via sysex.  I've done=20= this
via both Fadermaster and sequencer merely to manually control the filter cutoff, and it results in some 'zipper noise' and stuttering within that parameter.  It won't crash the machine or anything, it just sounds
weird.  Not entirely uninteresting, but not what I was going for either= (if
you're into Glitch you may feel differently).  Perhaps the Programmer h= as a
way around this, although I think the problem is actually related to how fast the CPU within the Matrix can update itself.  So test before you b= uy,
and see if it's going to be a deal breaker.

As I said, I've heard this complaint from owners of both the 1000 and the 6r, so I don't think you're going to get an advantage here of one over the <= BR> other.

     -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
            &nbs= p;            -recoil=



--part1_47.33ecdad1.2cb46010_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:08:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97J2ct23376; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:02:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:02:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C4900010302@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db@aol.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h97J2bU23352 Resent-Message-ID: <6ndCg.A.HtF.O3wg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, I'm not talking about apathy, but my ideas, it seem, show up as that from your perspective... Comparing someones input into a mailing list and the process of electing a president seems a bit of a stretch for me, but if you view Mark's disparagging(sp?) remarks as equivilent to electing a political official, then I can see why you would be so passionate in your repsonse... I guess this brings up how our responses are dictacted by the level of importance we give the 'event'... which helps me to clarify what I am saying, ignoring someones negative comments, by simply seeing them as thier opinion, and not feeling the need to change thier opinion, is freeing... we don't end up exercising all these negative feelings in responding... we have more time to do what we enjoy, and well, we would certainly have more time to give to more important (from my perspective) issues such as electing political officials, or, in the context of this email list, discussing looping... :) -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a >scoobie snack >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George W. >Bush >in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom >(personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy. >Yes, just ignore injustice~ it'll just go away, right? Leave it to some > >other guy to deal with, some other day... >What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age. >I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just desserts > >may vary. > >Tim > > >In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com > >writes: > >> giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative >> to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. >> hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little >> I can, and ignore the bullshit... >> >> -cpr >> >> >-- Original Message -- >> >From: Fsksync@aol.com >> >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT >> >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects >> a >> >scoobie snack >> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> > >> >Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to >> >> >another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on >any >> >other >> >list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long >ago >> >for his >> >bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who >> >I >> >consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" >> >and >> >deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to >> continue, >> > >> >this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that >> > >> >is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. >> > >> >Tim >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> cpr@musetrap.com >> > >> >writes: >> > >> >>Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem >> pretty >> >>funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all >> >> >>somewhat >> >>silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that >> opinions >> >>are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims >> of >> >>those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom >> half >> >>of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I >> have >> >>an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' >> or >> >>'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should >> >>include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling >> the >> >>person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, >> "that's >> >>ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again >> >>in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and >> >> >>participating >> >>in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) >> >> >> >>peace >> >>-cpr >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:19:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JA2l24603; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:10:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007134943.02dd9ec8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:09:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:29 PM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz >hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much >closer in the single-space rack box?). Personally, I've never had a problem with 60 cycle hum. I have heard some anecdotal reporting of this, though. Many of the very worst offenders, however, were found to actually be broken (cracked circuit board in at least one case) once they were taken into the shop. I've also heard that the later white-face units aren't as susceptible to interference, but I don't believe there were as many white-face produced as black-faced. Thus, statistics say you wouldn't see as many of those units coming into a shop in the first place. What you *do* want to watch out for is interference and grounding. Unfortunately, the shielding on these guys wasn't what it should be. If you set it right next to your computer monitor, you're going to pick up interference hum, just the same as if you held a guitar pickup close to the monitor. Make sure you use insulating washers to mount it with, and pay some mind to where in your rack you position it (if it's right next to a particularly noisy unit, you might get some bleed). Like I said, I've never had any issues with this, but perhaps I'm one of the luckier ones. It's worth it to pay an extra bit of attention to power and grounding issues anyway, just to make certain you've got the cleanest possible sound. And as an aside: for those of you into MIDI guitar, these little guys kick *ss. They work in MIDI Mode 4 (guitar mode) just fine, and they sound great. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:21:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JCII25001; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:12:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:12:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:09:53 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris~ So you're saying that yelling "Fuck You!" to someone who doesn't kowtow to one's ego trip is an "opinion"? If so, you're a bigger fool than I thought you were... Oh well. Party on, Chris. And enjoy the world you're helping to create. Tim In a message dated 10/7/03 12:04:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > Tim, > > I'm not talking about apathy, but my ideas, it seem, show up as that from > your perspective... Comparing someones input into a mailing list and the > process of electing a president seems a bit of a stretch for me, but if > you view Mark's disparagging(sp?) remarks as equivilent to electing a > political > official, then I can see why you would be so passionate in your repsonse... > I guess this brings up how our responses are dictacted by the level of > importance > we give the 'event'... which helps me to clarify what I am saying, ignoring > someones negative comments, by simply seeing them as thier opinion, and > not feeling the need to change thier opinion, is freeing... we don't end > up exercising all these negative feelings in responding... we have more > time to do what we enjoy, and well, we would certainly have more time to > give to more important (from my perspective) issues such as electing > political > officials, or, in the context of this email list, discussing looping... > :) > > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: Fsksync@aol.com > >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT > >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects > a > >scoobie snack > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George W. > >Bush > >in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom > >(personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy. > >Yes, just ignore injustice~ it'll just go away, right? Leave it to some > > > >other guy to deal with, some other day... > >What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age. > >I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just > desserts > > > >may vary. > > > >Tim > > > > > >In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > cpr@musetrap.com > > > >writes: > > > >>giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative > >>to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. > >>hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little > >>I can, and ignore the bullshit... > >> > >>-cpr > >> > >>>-- Original Message -- > >>>From: Fsksync@aol.com > >>>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT > >>>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects > >>a > >>>scoobie snack > >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> > >>> > >>>Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" > to > >> > --part1_1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris~

So you're saying that yelling "Fuck You!" to someone who doesn't kowtow to o= ne's ego trip is an "opinion"?

If so, you're a bigger fool than I thought you were...

Oh well.

Party on, Chris.

And enjoy the world you're helping to create.

Tim





In a message dated 10/7/03 12:04:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.c= om writes:

Tim,

I'm not talking about apathy, but my ideas, it seem, show up as that from your perspective... Comparing someones input into a mailing list and the
process of electing a president seems a bit of a stretch for me, but if
you view Mark's disparagging(sp?) remarks as equivilent to electing a politi= cal
official, then I can see why you would be so passionate in your repsonse...<= BR> I guess this brings up how our responses are dictacted by the level of impor= tance
we give the 'event'... which helps me to clarify what I am saying, ignoring<= BR> someones negative comments, by simply seeing them as thier opinion, and
not feeling the need to change thier opinion, is freeing... we don't end
up exercising all these negative feelings in responding... we have more
time to do what we enjoy, and well, we would certainly have more time to
give to more important (from my perspective) issues such as electing politic= al
officials, or, in the context of this email list, discussing looping...
:)

-cpr

>-- Original Message --
>From: Fsksync@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT
>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a
>scoobie snack
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
>Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George W.=
>Bush
>in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom
>(personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy.
>Yes, just ignore injustice~  it'll just go away, right? Leave it to= some
>
>other guy to deal with, some other day...
>What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age.
>I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just dess= erts
>
>may vary.
>
>Tim
>
>
>In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetra= p.com
>
>writes:
>
>>giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, rela= tive
>>to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have=20= one..
>>hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what=20= little
>>I can, and ignore the bullshit... 
>>
>>-cpr
>>
>>>-- Original Message --
>>>From: Fsksync@aol.com
>>>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT
>>>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and e= xpects
>>a
>>>scoobie snack
>>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuc= k You!"
to
>>


 --part1_1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:25:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JGBY25545; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <95.338a7c81.2cb46a77@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:13:59 EDT Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Fsksync@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_95.338a7c81.2cb46a77_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_95.338a7c81.2cb46a77_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks again. The M6 and/or M1000 have been on my want list for *ages*. Timothy In a message dated 10/7/03 12:11:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes: > At 02:29 PM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > >Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz > >hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much > >closer in the single-space rack box?). > > Personally, I've never had a problem with 60 cycle hum. I have heard some > anecdotal reporting of this, though. Many of the very worst offenders, > however, were found to actually be broken (cracked circuit board in at > least one case) once they were taken into the shop. I've also heard that > the later white-face units aren't as susceptible to interference, but I > don't believe there were as many white-face produced as black-faced. Thus, > statistics say you wouldn't see as many of those units coming into a shop > in the first place. > > What you *do* want to watch out for is interference and > grounding. Unfortunately, the shielding on these guys wasn't what it > should be. If you set it right next to your computer monitor, you're going > to pick up interference hum, just the same as if you held a guitar pickup > close to the monitor. Make sure you use insulating washers to mount it > with, and pay some mind to where in your rack you position it (if it's > right next to a particularly noisy unit, you might get some bleed). > > Like I said, I've never had any issues with this, but perhaps I'm one of > the luckier ones. It's worth it to pay an extra bit of attention to power > and grounding issues anyway, just to make certain you've got the cleanest > possible sound. > > And as an aside: for those of you into MIDI guitar, these little guys kick > *ss. They work in MIDI Mode 4 (guitar mode) just fine, and they sound > great. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > --part1_95.338a7c81.2cb46a77_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks again. The M6 and/or M1000 have been on my want= list for *ages*.

Timothy


In a message dated 10/7/03 12:11:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicl= e.net writes:

At 02:29 PM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fs= ksync@aol.com wrote:
>Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60=20= hz
>hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much <= BR> >closer in the single-space rack box?).

Personally, I've never had a problem with 60 cycle hum.  I have heard s= ome
anecdotal reporting of this, though.  Many of the very worst offenders,=
however, were found to actually be broken (cracked circuit board in at
least one case) once they were taken into the shop.  I've also heard th= at
the later white-face units aren't as susceptible to interference, but I
don't believe there were as many white-face produced as black-faced.  T= hus,
statistics say you wouldn't see as many of those units coming into a shop in the first place.

What you *do* want to watch out for is interference and
grounding.  Unfortunately, the shielding on these guys wasn't what it <= BR> should be.  If you set it right next to your computer monitor, you're g= oing
to pick up interference hum, just the same as if you held a guitar pickup close to the monitor.  Make sure you use insulating washers to mount it=
with, and pay some mind to where in your rack you position it (if it's
right next to a particularly noisy unit, you might get some bleed).

Like I said, I've never had any issues with this, but perhaps I'm one of the luckier ones.  It's worth it to pay an extra bit of attention to po= wer
and grounding issues anyway, just to make certain you've got the cleanest possible sound.

And as an aside: for those of you into MIDI guitar, these little guys kick <= BR> *ss.  They work in MIDI Mode 4 (guitar mode) just fine, and they sound=20= great.

     -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
            &nbs= p;            -recoil=



--part1_95.338a7c81.2cb46a77_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:27:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97IMXj15962; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:22:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:22:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c38d10$c795c3e0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007130307.02dabc80@spamarrest.com> Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:22:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Posts like Catilyne's about the Oberheim synths are what keep me coming back to this list. Amazing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catilyne" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? > De nada! No trouble at all. (eh, so I'm a synth geek.... ;) > > -c- > > > At 02:52 AM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > >THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed! > > > >Tim F > > > > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >catilyne@icicle.net writes: > > > >>At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: > >> > >> >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, > >> >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > >> > > >> >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that > >> >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the > >> >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology > >> >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. > >> > >>Hi Dylan, > >> > >>First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo > >>(MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion > >>regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm > >>you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. > >> > >>I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times > >>(although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but not > >>nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds a > >>little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. The > >>1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. The > >>6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the oscillators > >>on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an > >>overall sound that's a little more fat. > >> > >>Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the > >>6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' > >>version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide > >>version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my > >>1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and I've > >>never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. > >> > >>To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you > >>to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, you > >>can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely > >>different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a single > >>out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it > >>using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are > >>six-voice polyphonic. > >> > >>As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes > >>up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to be > >>sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently > >>Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can > >>say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' > >>hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's > >>(and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long > >>as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the > >>field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement chips > >>for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used > >>by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's easier > >>to get replacement parts. > >> > >>Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to > >>start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them are > >>actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best > >>submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch > >>bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. While > >>you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a > >>bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. > >> > >>So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral > >>across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with 1k > >>of patches as your starting point. > >> > >>Hope that helps... > >> > >> -c- > >> > >>_____ > >>"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > >> -recoil > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:38:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JWEJ28496; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:32:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:32:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014701c38d09$6974f300$01605cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for October 4, 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:29:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0136_01C38CE7.D2D64E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C38CE7.D2D64E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #30 October 4, 2003. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Michael Stearns In the Beginning Planetary Unfolding = (Sonic Atmospheres) Michael Stearns Toto I've a Feeling Planetary Unfolding = (Sonic We're Not In Kansas Atmospheres) Anymore Michael Stearns Wherever Two or More Planetary Unfolding = (Sonic Are Gathered Atmospheres) Mojave Wind Departure from the Ricochet Gathering - = Mojave Mojave Plane 2003 - Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dreams) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Gorn Hummingbird Colors of the Mind = (Dharma Moon) Scott Long Memories of Comfort Reaching Calm (none) VA [Chris Nole] Laramie Waltz Growth (Moulin D'Or) VA [No Noise] Karma Shabda Buddha Cafe = (Intentcity) Chinmaya Dunster and The Circle Makers Karma Circles (New = Earth) the Celtic Ragas Band uncredited Gales of Wind Ninja Scroll (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Klaatu Silly Boys Sir Army = Suit/Endangered Species (Attic) VA [Man in Space] Psyche 'D' HELL'ic Portals 2 (PMS) Dead Soul Tribe Stone By Stone A Murder of Crows = (InsideOut) Dead Soul Tribe The Awakening A Murder of Crows = (InsideOut) Chain Before There Was Reconstruct (Progrock) Gratto Call and Response Anakin Tumnus (PMM) * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on October 18. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C38CE7.D2D64E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
 
            =    =20     Show #30       =20             October 4, = 2003.
 
Phase I/Space:
 
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Michael=20 Stearns         In the=20 Beginning         Planetary = Unfolding=20 (Sonic
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 Atmospheres)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Toto I've a Feeling      Planetary Unfolding=20 (Sonic
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 We're Not In Kansas     =20 Atmospheres)
         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Anymore
Michael = Stearns        =20 Wherever Two or More     Planetary Unfolding=20 (Sonic
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Are=20 Gathered           = ; =20 Atmospheres)
Mojave=20 Wind           &nb= sp;=20 Departure from the       Ricochet = Gathering -=20 Mojave
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Mojave=20 Plane           &n= bsp;=20 2003 - Demo=20 Sessions
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 (Ricochet Dreams)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Steve=20 Gorn           &nb= sp; =20 Hummingbird          &n= bsp;  =20 Colors of the Mind=20 (Dharma
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 Moon)
Scott=20 Long           &nb= sp; =20 Memories of Comfort      Reaching Calm = (none)
VA=20 [Chris Nole]         Laramie=20 Waltz            = Growth=20 (Moulin D'Or)
VA [No=20 Noise]           Karma = Shabda           &= nbsp;=20 Buddha Cafe (Intentcity)
Chinmaya Dunster and    The = Circle=20 Makers        Karma Circles (New=20 Earth)
  the Celtic Ragas=20 Band
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ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Klaatu        =          =20 Silly=20 Boys           &nb= sp;  =20 Sir Army=20 Suit/Endangered
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VA [Man in Space]       = Psyche=20 'D' HELL'ic       Portals 2 (PMS)
Dead = Soul=20 Tribe         Stone By=20 Stone           A = Murder of=20 Crows (InsideOut)
Dead Soul=20 Tribe         The=20 Awakening          &nbs= p; A=20 Murder of Crows=20 (InsideOut)
Chain         = ;         =20 Before There Was         = Reconstruct=20 (Progrock)
Gratto         = ;        =20 Call and Response        Anakin = Tumnus=20 (PMM)
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on October 18.
 
Bill
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Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond
the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New=20 Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary=20 releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh=20 and
click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C38CE7.D2D64E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:50:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Iev219144; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:40:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007133215.0434d3b8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:39:55 -0500 To: From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: <007301c38d10$c795c3e0$0200a8c0@amd> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007130307.02dabc80@spamarrest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Um, wow! Would you mind if I forwarded that over to my wife? It might help me justify all this gear sitting around my living room.... ;) Seriously though, I can't really take credit: I'm just an information pack-rat. I'm not the one who actually went through the architecture and figured out the clock timings, or the reliability of the chips. Those are the guys who really deserve the pats on the back. -c- At 02:22 PM 10/7/2003 -0600, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Posts like Catilyne's about the Oberheim synths are what keep me coming back >to this list. Amazing! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Catilyne" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:04 PM >Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? > > > > De nada! No trouble at all. (eh, so I'm a synth geek.... ;) > > > > -c- > > > > > > At 02:52 AM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > > >THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed! > > > > > >Tim F > > > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > >catilyne@icicle.net writes: > > > > > >>At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: > > >> > > >> >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, > > >> >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > > >> > > > >> >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that > > >> >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the > > >> >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology > > >> >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. > > >> > > >>Hi Dylan, > > >> > > >>First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo > > >>(MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion > > >>regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm > > >>you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. > > >> > > >>I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times > > >>(although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but >not > > >>nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds >a > > >>little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. >The > > >>1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. >The > > >>6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the >oscillators > > >>on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it >an > > >>overall sound that's a little more fat. > > >> > > >>Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, >the > > >>6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' > > >>version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide > > >>version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my > > >>1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and >I've > > >>never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. > > >> > > >>To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing >you > > >>to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, >you > > >>can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely > > >>different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a >single > > >>out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering >it > > >>using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are > > >>six-voice polyphonic. > > >> > > >>As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it >takes > > >>up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to >be > > >>sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently > > >>Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can > > >>say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' > > >>hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the >1000's > > >>(and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as >long > > >>as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the > > >>field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement >chips > > >>for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version >used > > >>by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's >easier > > >>to get replacement parts. > > >> > > >>Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to > > >>start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them >are > > >>actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best > > >>submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch > > >>bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. >While > > >>you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a > > >>bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. > > >> > > >>So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and >bi-timbral > > >>across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with >1k > > >>of patches as your starting point. > > >> > > >>Hope that helps... > > >> > > >> -c- > > >> > > >>_____ > > >>"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > > >> -recoil > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Jfhg31268; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:41:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:41:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:41:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <4F034270-F8E7-11D7-A39B-0003934F5EDA@telia.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2003 19:41:37.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[05535590:01C38D0B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lexar don't. I have one. Let me know us know if any of you find out, off-list. Info like this needs to be placed on the product page or otherwise widely disseminated. Hell, why doesn't everyone list the cards they have, and the approximate age of the card. Mine: Lexar, 256 meg, 2003, doesn't work at all I have another, that does work, but it's in my repeater at home. I'll post tomorrow. Jon -----Original Message----- From: bdeivert [mailto:bdeivert@telia.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Hi I have the Electrix repeater and wonder which 256MB cf card works??? I tried a SANDISK BUT ONLY GOT THAT TO WORK IN MONO. Any suggestions? Cheers Bert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 16:00:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JsXP00522; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:54:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:54:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C49000103CD@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h97JsWU00497 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, Yes, I think that.. and, if I am not mistaken, you just called me a fool because I didn't kowtow to your ego trip... ;) maybe we should stop filling the list with this discussion, as I just realized you are exhibiting the exact behaviours you are condemming... I respect your opinion, but, since you seem to make use of sarcastic passive agressive statements, and name calling, I really feel like we aren't having a discussion, at least not in a form that makes me feel like we will get anywhere... so, let's just end this with the knowledge that we look at the world differently in regards to which fights we choose to fight... loop on! :) -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:09:53 EDT >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a >scoobie snack >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Chris~ > >So you're saying that yelling "Fuck You!" to someone who doesn't kowtow to > >one's ego trip is an "opinion"? > >If so, you're a bigger fool than I thought you were... > >Oh well. > >Party on, Chris. > >And enjoy the world you're helping to create. > >Tim > > > > > >In a message dated 10/7/03 12:04:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >cpr@musetrap.com writes: > >> Tim, >> >> I'm not talking about apathy, but my ideas, it seem, show up as that from >> your perspective... Comparing someones input into a mailing list and the >> process of electing a president seems a bit of a stretch for me, but if >> you view Mark's disparagging(sp?) remarks as equivilent to electing a >> political >> official, then I can see why you would be so passionate in your repsonse... >> I guess this brings up how our responses are dictacted by the level of > >> importance >> we give the 'event'... which helps me to clarify what I am saying, ignoring >> someones negative comments, by simply seeing them as thier opinion, and >> not feeling the need to change thier opinion, is freeing... we don't end >> up exercising all these negative feelings in responding... we have more >> time to do what we enjoy, and well, we would certainly have more time to >> give to more important (from my perspective) issues such as electing >> political >> officials, or, in the context of this email list, discussing looping... >> :) >> >> -cpr >> >> >-- Original Message -- >> >From: Fsksync@aol.com >> >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT >> >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects >> a >> >scoobie snack >> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> > >> >Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George >W. >> >Bush >> >in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom >> >(personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy. >> >Yes, just ignore injustice~ it'll just go away, right? Leave it to some >> > >> >other guy to deal with, some other day... >> >What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age. >> >I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just >> desserts >> > >> >may vary. >> > >> >Tim >> > >> > >> >In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> cpr@musetrap.com >> > >> >writes: >> > >> >>giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative >> >>to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. >> >>hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little >> >>I can, and ignore the bullshit... >> >> >> >>-cpr >> >> >> >>>-- Original Message -- >> >>>From: Fsksync@aol.com >> >>>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT >> >>>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects >> >>a >> >>>scoobie snack >> >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" >> to >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 16:20:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97K8wx04816; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:08:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:08:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> References: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:29 PM -0400 10/7/03, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much closer in the single-space rack box?). I've never heard hum in the output, but there is a little mechanical 60Hz sound from some generations of Matrix 1000. A couple of theories are coupling between the steel lid and the transformer, and just noisy transformers. -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:09:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97L5P114345; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F832D9D.EEE5E04C@erols.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:18:21 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: NJ gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Mazzarella vocals/acoustic guitar/electric guitar/lap steel guitar/loops Friday, October 10th, 8pm-11pm @ The Town Grind 25 East Main Street Denville, NJ 973-625-9666 That's right! I'm breaking out the lap steel for this one. Hope to see you there, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:13:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97L8si14868; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:08:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:06:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > > Lexar don't. I have one. > > Let me know us know if any of you find out, off-list. Info like this > needs to be placed on the product page or otherwise widely disseminated. > > > Hell, why doesn't everyone list the cards they have, and the approximate > age of the card. Mine: > > Lexar, 256 meg, 2003, doesn't work at all > > I have another, that does work, but it's in my repeater at home. I'll > post tomorrow. Simpletech cards USED to be the best for the Repeater, but they can't keep a steady suppply of the "fast" controllers, so now apparently it's hit or miss. I use an older (2 year old?) Simpletech 128mb card that works fine. There is some info about the CFC controller speed problem on the old Electrix forum. Go here, and choose the "Repeater" forum: http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro Set the date to "show topics from last year" and track the info on CFC's. There is a post from June stating that Simpletech 256mb cards from newegg.com work, but I don't know if the current stock qualifies. Best thing to do (IMO) is get a Simpletech card from a local retailer like Office Max or something, so you can return it if it doesn't work, and try somewhere else. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:39:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97LTpd17397; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:29:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:29:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c38d2a$cec2c680$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:29:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk about CFCs... You know, chlorofluorocarbons cause global warming, one of our environment's most pressing problems today. Maybe you should trade your Repeater in and get an Echoplex Digital Pro which uses Sysex Bulk Dump to store your loops on your computer, because -- "It's Nature Safe!(tm)" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:42:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97LZop18487; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:35:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:35:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007213548.50301.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:35:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F615C49000100F3@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Chris Roberts wrote: > giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative > to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. > hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little > I can, and ignore the bullshit... Well said. Sorry for my last post. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:43:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97LYSG18182; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007213427.49684.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to > another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any other > list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago for > his bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who I > consider a friend) for no reason. Well, I hate to perpetuate this nonsense, but it was not "for no reason" that Mark responded with that particular quip. He was responding to Jeff's post calling him a "jack ass". I though Jeff's post that initiated that response was really quite inflamatory since all Mark did to incite it was to make a little joke. Obviously, neither one of these responses was appropriate. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 18:16:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97MCmT25645; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:12:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:12:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: What Would Kim Do? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:12:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Peters posited: maybe we should discuss this off-list before Kim hits us :-) **I don't think so--I think Kim encourages all manner of polite discourse (oops, just spoke for somebody else again--dang!) I for one have benefitted from this discussion of online manners and what makes one angry and why-- Hats off to Rick Walker for having a level head and still liking me since I have jumped off the bandwagon for this weekend--my bad-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 18:18:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97MEUl25948; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:14:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:14:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007214841.51665.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mike Barrs wrote: > Simpletech cards USED to be the best for the Repeater, but they can't keep a > steady suppply of the "fast" controllers, so now apparently it's hit or > miss. I use an older (2 year old?) Simpletech 128mb card that works fine. This is correct, however, it ignores the fact that the ONLY cards that have ever given full functionality in the Repeater are made by SimpleTech. The problem is that you can't tell the ones that work from the ones that don't, since they're the same model. It's luck of the draw whether you get one with the right internal controller chipset (Hitachi, I'm told), because SimpleTech appears to use whatever they can get their hands on when they make the cards. I've had SimpleTech cards that worked with mine, and one that didn't. So, to summarize, a SimpleTech -might- work with your Repeater. Any other brand probably won't work. > Set the date to "show topics from last year" and track the info on CFC's. > There is a post from June stating that Simpletech 256mb cards from > newegg.com work, but I don't know if the current stock qualifies. I haven't had time to exhaustively test it yet, but I just got a SimpleTech 256MB card from newegg.com last Friday and my initial tests say that it will in fact work well with my Repeater (ie, it'll format, record in stereo, forward and reverse, etc). > Best thing to do (IMO) is get a Simpletech card from a local retailer like > Office Max or something, so you can return it if it doesn't work, and try > somewhere else. I don't know about the "local vendor" part, but if you can buy one from a vendor that'll let you return it, that's your safest option. If you luck out, and find someone with a batch of good ones, let us know. FWIW, there's been considerable discussion of CFC issues on the repeater-users mailing list. It's hosted on YahooGroups, if you're interested. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 18:35:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97MUPc28215; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:30:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:30:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:47:04 +0000 Subject: Footpedal resistors From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148400825_93796_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148400825_93796_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've found the page with the resistor values from Kim's very helpful Footpedal Tutorial dated 5th January 1997: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html 1% metal film resistors should be used, here are the appropriate values: 0 ohms Record 14.3K ohms Overdub 7.87K ohms Multiply 4.75K ohms Insert 2.87K ohms Mute 1.58K ohms Undo 681 ohms NextLoop Parameters Best wishes j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 --MS_Mac_OE_3148400825_93796_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Footpedal resistors I've found the page with the resistor values from Kim's very helpful Footpe= dal Tutorial dated 5th January 1997:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html


1% metal film resistors should be used, h= ere are the appropriate values:

0 ohms          Record
14.3K ohms  Overdub
7.87K ohms  Multiply
4.75K ohms  Insert
2.87K ohms  Mute
1.58K ohms  Undo
681 ohms      NextLoop
            =            Parameters=

Best wishes

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122

--MS_Mac_OE_3148400825_93796_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 18:52:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97MjKS30188; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007222001.10565.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F824C9D.2060800@accord.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max valentino wrote: > I have noticed a few things about we loopists and how we work. > There are some of us who pile up fx and processing before the loop and > make each "layer" have it's own sonic signature, allowing it to > standout from the other layers. In this aspect, it is much like > multi-track recording, and is very much an additive approach in which > our "box" is contiually being filled until it can simply hold no > more. Perhaps, Christian, this is one dilemma you have encountered > with your own looping. Of course, the only remedy to this is to know > when to stop adding to the loop. > At thast point it may be creative to begin subtracting from the loop, > peeling away layers before constructing new ones. This very thing is one thing I really enjoy doing with the Repeater. I can record different layers across the 4 available tracks, making it very easy to remove selected layers (sometimes temporarily, sometimes permanantly), or to emphasize or deemphasize selected layers within the loop. With other looping devices, removing or changing the level of selected layers within the recording is somewhere between difficult and impossible. The Repeater is a very good tool for someone who likes to work this way. Personaly, I don't care to have ALL the layers of my loop running through the same effect, especially some of the more extreme things like a lowpass filter. Sure, it's cool, for a little while, but having the variety within the layers is more to my taste. > In both cases here, there is a tendancy to create a loop and let it > run, with all the varied, "added" parts, for the length of a piece. > For my own compositons, of late, I have been working with loops > which I "fly" in and out of a piece, adding color and texture, > rather than being a static event which I add to or play over. Having > the ability to run multiple loops in parallel means I can fade in and > out short loops to add color/contrast, density, accompaniment, and > texture to a solo bass piece. I can "remove" them from the piece, and > yet bring them back at a different point in the performance to provide > a sense of continuity. This makes the "loop" interactive with my own > playing, and hopefully, when done right, it is seamless enough to not > stand out from the rest of the "played" performance ( in what the > audience may percieve as "canned"). That's exactly the same thing I was talking about doing with the Repeater. I'll readily admit that I don't do much composition, just improvisation. Just a reflection of what a poor musician I am, but that's how it works out. Therefore I do much better with a layer by layer approach, where I can react to what I'm hearing in the previous layers. An approach where I had to play some exact part for each layer, and remove this one at this time and that one at another time, then replace this, or mangle that, and a bunch of precision things just would never come off right for me. However, I watched Phil Keaggy do this kind of thing a few months back, seemlessly, using just an old Lexicon Jamman. I honestly couldn't figure out how he was doing some of the stuff he was doing, but it sure sounded nice. But he was using his loops to make background parts within his precomposed music, so I'm presuming that he had his "tricks" well rehearsed ahead of time. That's an example of someone employing looping in a "traditional pop music" format (which was discussed in a previous thread), where things are all planned out, and it worked great for him. I guess the only answer is to look at the way your musical mind works, how you approach things, and adapt your looping techniques (and looping equipment) to best accomodate your individual approach to the music. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 19:08:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97N4Rb01812; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200310072304.h97N4QU01789@hemlock.violacea.com> X-WM-Posted-At: inregina.com; Tue, 7 Oct 03 16:59:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:59:03 -0600 Sender: kam6 From: kam6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00103014 Subject: Echoplex DP instant replay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h97N4QU01789 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello - I have an EDP whiteface which I bought about 2 years ago. The problem I have is that I haven’t found an “instant replay”, on its loopmaking capabilities. I explain: With a regular delay, we hit the note and replay immediately starts, length based on the feedback amount and the ms/sec amount of delay available. On the EDP, we have to first hit “record”, play the note, then hit “record” again, and only then the loop replay starts. The above on the EDP causes a hassle. If I’m swelling notes with a volume pedal and only one foot is available, I have to actually stop the action on the pedal in order to hit the “record” button again. This creates a gap in the performance. On the King Crimson video “Three Of A Perfect Pair – Live In Japan” of 1986, we can see Robert Fripp starting the show with a looping sequence. Fripp is just swelling notes and they get instantly recorded and replayed. Then he starts soloing atop of the loop. There are no gaps in his performance – whatever unit he is using has that “instant replay” capability (16-sec DD?) This is the type of looping I want to get with the EDP, without hitting the “record” button twice. Does anybody know if the EDP can do the above “instant replay”? Does it have any “infinite” mode? If not, which unit can do this? Thanks in advance. Carlos Najar __________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE web-based e-mail access at: http://www.inregina.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 19:48:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97NWVg05322; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:32:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:31:48 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Yes, I did call you a fool, for you don't seem to interested in anything more than "gainsaying", not "discussing". Everyone on this list knows what kind of behavior Mark S. consistantly engaged in, so don't ANYBODY give me this "Jeff incited it" bullshit. Like I said "Pull your head out". We were "discussing" apathy, defined by Webster as "lack of interest / listless condition/ indifference" in this context, people sitting idly by while some "adult" apparantly still stuck in the "terrible two's" runs roughshod over anyone's feelings at any time of his choosing, with no consequences, and no one gives a shit enough to say,"wait a minute, that's not acceptable". Would it really consume that many calories for one or several members to do that? It's clear that Kim will never set any boundaries on this list; the only other alternative is for the "community" (whatever that is) to set its own agreed-upon minimum standards of civility. If that's not possible, then this "community" is doomed; it is diseased at the root. I've been here what, 3-4 months now, and I've seen probably half a dozen folks unsub in disgust. Well, pat yourselves on the back, that's very admirable. I know I'd want to be a member of your Suthun Gentleman Country Club (NOT!). To the Very Cute Fellows who just thought "why don't you leave then" (see what being around Mark did to you?) I've had my finger on the unsub button at least a dozen times since I joined (pat yourself on the back for that, too) My finger is on the button right now, but I'm waiting for the final, dismissive diss from The Kimster himself before I decide whether to put any more of my attention into this little self-congratulatory clique you got here. Terribly Impressed, Tim In a message dated 10/7/03 12:55:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > Tim, > > Yes, I think that.. and, if I am not mistaken, you just called me a fool > because I didn't kowtow to your ego trip... ;) maybe we should stop filling > the list with this discussion, as I just realized you are exhibiting the > exact behaviours you are condemming... I respect your opinion, but, since > you seem to make use of sarcastic passive agressive statements, and name > calling, I really feel like we aren't having a discussion, at least not > in a form that makes me feel like we will get anywhere... so, let's just > end this with the knowledge that we look at the world differently in regards > to which fights we choose to fight... > > loop on! :) > --part1_195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris,

Yes, I did call you a fool, for you don't seem to interested in anything mo= re than "gainsaying", not "discussing".

Everyone on this list knows what kind of behavior Mark S. consistantly engag= ed in, so don't ANYBODY give me this "Jeff incited it" bullshit. Like I said= "Pull your head out".

We were "discussing" apathy, defined by Webster as "lack of interest / listl= ess condition/ indifference" in this context, people sitting idly by while s= ome "adult" apparantly still stuck in the "terrible two's" runs roughshod ov= er anyone's feelings at any time of his choosing, with no consequences, and=20= no one gives a shit enough to say,"wait a minute, that's not acceptable". Wo= uld it really consume that many calories for one or several members to do th= at? It's clear that Kim will never set any boundaries on this list; the only= other alternative is for the "community" (whatever that is) to set its own=20= agreed-upon minimum standards of civility. If that's not possible, then this= "community" is doomed; it is diseased at the root.

I've been here what, 3-4 months now, and I've seen probably half a dozen fol= ks unsub in disgust. Well, pat yourselves on the back, that's very admirable= . I know I'd want to be a member of your Suthun Gentleman Country Club (NOT!= ).

To the Very Cute Fellows who just thought "why don't you leave then" (see wh= at being around Mark did to you?) I've had my finger on the unsub button at=20= least a dozen times since I joined (pat yourself on the back for that, too)=20= My finger is on the button right now, but I'm waiting for the final, dismiss= ive diss from The Kimster himself before I decide whether to put any more of= my attention into this little self-congratulatory clique you got here.

Terribly Impressed,

Tim



In a message dated 10/7/03 12:55:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.c= om writes:

Tim,

Yes, I think that.. and, if I am not mistaken, you just called me a fool
because I didn't kowtow to your ego trip... ;) maybe we should stop filling<= BR> the list with this discussion, as I just realized you are exhibiting the
exact behaviours you are condemming... I respect your opinion, but, since you seem to make use of sarcastic passive agressive statements, and name
calling, I really feel like we aren't having a discussion, at least not
in a form that makes me feel like we will get anywhere... so, let's just
end this with the knowledge that we look at the world differently in regards=
to which fights we choose to fight...

loop on! :)


 --part1_195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 19:53:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97NmSh07984; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:47:50 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9.386be98d.2cb4aaa6_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c9.386be98d.2cb4aaa6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/03 4:33:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com writes: > Like I said "Pull your head out". > > For those not familiar with that term, it means "Pull your head out of YOUR ASS". --part1_c9.386be98d.2cb4aaa6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/7/03 4:33:54 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, Fsksync@aol.com writes:

Like I said "Pull your head out= ".



For those not familiar with that term, it means "Pull your head out of YOUR=20= ASS". --part1_c9.386be98d.2cb4aaa6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 19:59:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97NuIT09779; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:55:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you've only been here 3-4 months, then you really don't know what behavior Mark S. has "consistently engaged in." Mark was subscribed for a very long time, as have I. Years in fact. Though Mark may have reacted ( or acted) strongly, he also has spent considerable time sharing his knowledge on this list. Mark is usually one of the guys to reply when a new member asks some basic question that everyone else has seen a million times. And Chris seems to have tried to present his differing viewpoint in a reasonable and non "drama queen" sort of way, ideally we'd all discuss differences of opinion in a similar manner. Mark On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 04:31 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > Everyone on this list knows what kind of behavior Mark S. consistantly > engaged in, > > I've been here what, 3-4 months now, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 20:03:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9800Vd11666; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:00:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:00:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031008000025.74155.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/7/03 4:33:54 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com > writes: > > > Like I said "Pull your head out". > > > > > > For those not familiar with that term, it means > "Pull your head out of YOUR > ASS". Perhaps you could post a video clip to demonstate the proper technique. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 20:15:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h980Cjf12964; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:12:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1a1.1b2b521d.2cb4afd7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:09:59 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a1.1b2b521d.2cb4afd7_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <-IxTrC.A.dKD.9Z1g_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a1.1b2b521d.2cb4afd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/03 4:57:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mlandman@sonic.net writes: > If you've only been here 3-4 months, then you really don't know what > behavior Mark S. has "consistently engaged in." > Consistantly during 3-4 months works for me, dude. Heaven help those who've endured it for longer. Blah Blah Blah. Johhny Rotten should kick your arses! Tim --part1_1a1.1b2b521d.2cb4afd7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/7/03 4:57:01 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, mlandman@sonic.net writes:

If you've only been here 3-4 mo= nths, then you really don't know what
behavior Mark S. has "consistently engaged in."


Consistantly during 3-4 months works for me, dude. Heaven help those who've=20= endured it for longer.

Blah Blah Blah.

Johhny Rotten should kick your arses!

Tim --part1_1a1.1b2