From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 04:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h918AMW25106; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200310010810.h918AHJ30552@mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:18:43 +0800 Subject: Re: Echoplex pro/ echoplex proplus From: "Cameron Street" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3bRLwB.A.LIG.uvoe_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's a shame we can't buy direct from loopersdelight.com shop hey ? oneday ---------- >From: Kim Flint >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex pro/ echoplex proplus >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 1:16 AM > >Mainly it has LoopIV software with all the new features: >http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html > >It also comes with the new manual and various other minor changes. Andy >Ewen posted a list once before: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200302/msg00538.html > >kim > >At 04:23 AM 9/30/2003, Cameron Street wrote: >>Ok what the diff between the pro and the pro plus? >>apart from the colour that is >>cam > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 05:37:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h919ZOL03318; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:35:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:35:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1065000923.3f7a9fdb73d6b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:35:23 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo Pro-style "loop sampler" in it? it's only like 15 1/2 seconds, but it does have half-speed and reverse. it also has a simple DSP synth that tracks the input. no you cannot use both at the same time. wild. i might just have to look into that. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 06:52:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91AoPX12981; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:50:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:50:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , Subject: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:51:57 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1065002996.183.49347.m12@yahoogroups.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Seen: false X-ID: ZkhpSuZlQe4TBFyuFFVxoUwwaSrJe45Yhf5mawoopGhUm6hJO4BlcU@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Elliott Sharp yesterday night here in Cologne/Germany. He played a Godin acoustic guitar plugged into a powerbook with some GRM tools which did some looping/pitchshifting at times. He was awesome. A very inventive guitar player, and fun to watch. His new album, 'the velocity of hue', will be out in November. Recommended. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 07:39:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91BbL019185; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:37:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB5B6@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: hendrix tech guy Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:32:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3880F.BAE4F540" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3880F.BAE4F540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" if it was a marshall modification, it would almost certainly have been jim marshall himself, or one of his engineers. I have read somewhere too that JMH would have his marshalls set up a bit strange- more pre-amp gain in the standard plexi's than usual, but not as much as in the master-vol version favoured by blackmore and co. a lot of this is apocrypha, though, especially if related by those-who-were-there, as they frequently can't remember. I once saw something in a mag about roger mayer's work with jimi and an octave effect that was operated by a mystery toggle switch on the neck-plate of a strat..... utter tosh, as mayer himself later wrote. hendrix did, however, like the reliability factor. he decided to use right-handed guitars because he felt that the mass-production led to a more reliable product, whereas the lefties would've been built in much smaller runs and therefore would somehow be inferior. that was just his take on statistics, I s'pose, and had no real grounding in terms of the state of fender's QC in the late sixties- it was only later that CBS decided to run the plant like a furniture factory. the early CBS fenders, up to about 1972, are perfectly good guitars, and the design improvements made thereafter are only occasionally cancelled out by the poor construction that the 70s fenders are all accused of. things didn't really go bad until about 1976, and then only until 1981-2. and as for JMH's marshall setup- it was simply expedient to have all the knobs turned right up and control everything from the guitar. other musicians do similar things- steve harris of iron maiden has the tone control of his precision bypassed and has his tech works to coded hand movements instead, while lemmy has the pickups in his rickenbacker hardwired to the output socket, missing out all the knobs. duncan. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: 01 October 2003 00:25 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod) I believe it was in a book I borrowed from the library, interviewing Mitch Mitchell over the rise of the Hendrix Experience. I'm afraid I can't remember who the tech person in question was. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod) oh my biz, very interesting @ least to me-i try to see everything on JIMI since the early days and dont remember this particular thing. questions: who tech guy? do you mean roger mayer or eddie kramer or? where did you see this? is it available on line? thanx s > > I read an interview with Jimi Hendrix's tech guy, who had to re-wire > the middle eq pot on his marshall stack, because Hendrix preferred his > sound with the center scooped, but wouldn't play unless all the knobs > were set at full... > > bIz > *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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if it was a marshall modification, it would almost certai= nly have been jim marshall himself, or one of his engineers. I have read so= mewhere too that JMH would have his marshalls set up a bit strange- more pr= e-amp gain in the standard plexi's than usual, but not as much as in the ma= ster-vol version favoured by blackmore and co.

a lot of this is apocrypha, though, especially if related= by those-who-were-there, as they frequently can't remember. I once saw som= ething in a mag about roger mayer's work with jimi and an octave effect tha= t was operated by a mystery toggle switch on the neck-plate of a strat.....= utter tosh, as mayer himself later wrote.

hendrix did, however, like the reliability factor. he dec= ided to use right-handed guitars because he felt that the mass-production l= ed to a more reliable product, whereas the lefties would've been built in m= uch smaller runs and therefore would somehow be inferior. that was just his= take on statistics, I s'pose, and had no real grounding in terms of the st= ate of fender's QC in the late sixties- it was only later that CBS decided = to run the plant like a furniture factory. the early CBS fenders, up to abo= ut 1972, are perfectly good guitars, and the design improvements made there= after are only occasionally cancelled out by the poor construction that the= 70s fenders are all accused of. things didn't really go bad until about 19= 76, and then only until 1981-2.

and as for JMH's marshall setup- it was simply expedient = to have all the knobs turned right up and control everything from the guita= r. other musicians do similar things- steve harris of iron maiden has the t= one control of his precision bypassed and has his tech works to coded hand = movements instead, while lemmy has the pickups in his rickenbacker hardwire= d to the output socket, missing out all the knobs.

duncan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan [= mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com]
Sent: 01 October 2003 00:25
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod)


I believe it was in a book I borrowed from the library, i= nterviewing
Mitch Mitchell over the rise of the Hendrix Experience. = I'm afraid I
can't remember who the tech person in question was.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:49 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:hendrix tech guy. was( EDP IN/OUT Mod)


oh my biz, very interesting @ least to me-i try to see ev= erything on
JIMI since the early days and dont remember this particu= lar thing.
questions:
who tech guy? do you mean roger mayer or eddie kramer or= ?
where did you see this?
is it available on line?
thanx
s

>
> I read an interview with Jimi Hendrix's tech guy, w= ho had to re-wire
> the middle eq pot on his marshall stack, because He= ndrix preferred his

> sound with the center scooped, but wouldn't play unl= ess all the knobs
> were set at full...
>
> bIz
>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3880F.BAE4F540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 08:48:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91CkQm29123; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:46:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c38819$fdb9d480$715af7a5@D9MS6F11> From: "The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB5B6@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Adrenalinn Groove box Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:46:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C387F8.75A91400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C387F8.75A91400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: hendrix tech guyHi folks, i just noticed that the Roger Linn = Adrenalinn Groove box for guitar is on sale cheap at Guitar Center. = Anyone have any experience with this thing? Is it worth $219 for us = loopy loopers? Thanks, JB ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C387F8.75A91400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: hendrix tech guy
Hi folks, i just noticed that the Roger = Linn=20 Adrenalinn Groove box for guitar is on sale cheap at Guitar = Center.  Anyone=20 have any experience with this thing?  Is it worth $219 for us loopy = loopers?
 
Thanks,
JB
 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C387F8.75A91400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 11:17:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91FEir17577; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:14:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1065000923.3f7a9fdb73d6b@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <1065000923.3f7a9fdb73d6b@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:14:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any reason why they didn't put this w/ the guitar v-amp? don't they know guitarist's like to loop too? s--- >has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo Pro-style >"loop sampler" in it? it's only like 15 1/2 seconds, but it does have >half-speed and reverse. > >it also has a simple DSP synth that tracks the input. no you cannot >use both at >the same time. > >wild. > >i might just have to look into that. >--- >Eric Williamson >www.suitandtieguy.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 11:39:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91FNE518566; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9.199d3385.2cac4b53@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:22:59 EDT Subject: Re: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo Pro-style > "loop sampler" in it? yes, and posted about it, ignore my posts again at your peril :-) > it's only like 15 1/2 seconds, but it does have > half-speed and reverse. only accessible by midi control, and no overdubs > > it also has a simple DSP synth that tracks the input. no you cannot use both > at > the same time. but apparently there's a completet MIDI bass synth in there as well > > wild. > and the manual doesn't tell you how it works, you can only guess by looking at the MIDI spec. Whether hitting play will stop record and start playback remains to be seen. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 15:37:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91JWmJ17617; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:32:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1065036767.3f7b2bdf2bad5@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:32:47 -0400 From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp References: <9.199d3385.2cac4b53@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9.199d3385.2cac4b53@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.180.194 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting SoundFNR@aol.com: > quoting me: > > has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo > Pro-style "loop sampler" in it? > > yes, and posted about it, ignore my posts again at your peril :-) pardon me, i haven't been keeping up. i saw that right before i went to bed and it was like a mind4uck. the two options for looping with digital output and wordclock: Behringer and Eventide. well weird. i'm off to the Apple Store to pick up my powerbook. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 16:43:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91KdvM25468; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:39:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F7B3EA1.A32B6A8D@erols.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:52:49 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrenalinn Groove box References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB5B6@LON-MAIL07> <001801c38819$fdb9d480$715af7a5@D9MS6F11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable It's absolutely worth it. Particularly if you use MIDI clock. The Adrenalinn synch well to MIDI clock. I use it all of the time. Beat sycned tremolo, Flange and Filter sequences. Highly recommended. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 16:53:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91KnFl26913; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031001203809.61996.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Behringer looper: Bass V-Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1065036767.3f7b2bdf2bad5@www.suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Eric Williamson wrote: > Quoting SoundFNR@aol.com: > > quoting me: > > > has anyone else noticed that the Behringer Bass V-Amp has an Echo > > Pro-style "loop sampler" in it? > the two options for looping with digital output and wordclock: Behringer and > Eventide. My friend recently got a Bass Vamp Pro and he said it was very noisy. As he researched it online, he found a lot of reviews that said the same thing. He's sending it back. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 19:57:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91Nsef16849; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:54:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <50.22d0ffd4.2cacc32f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:54:23 EDT Subject: new album To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all I have just put a new album of recent work up at CD Baby. It is a CD-r with the title: tilting@windmills Audio clips and info at: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The music is made mostly with experimental thumb pianos, broken guitars and toy keyboards. There is a lot of looping, primarily using the Boss RC-20 and the original version of the Kaoss Pad. regards BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 1 20:18:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h920F6719175; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:15:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:15:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3109 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:15:57 +0900 Subject: Operation of Echoplex From: Shin-ichi Imamura To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3147066957_228175" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3147066957_228175 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have an Echoplex EP2. The tape inside was damaged. So I purchased Jim Dunlop reissue tape. I, however, do not realize how to set the tape. Can I get a copy of instruction mannual of Echoplex EP2? Thank you. Shin-ichi --B_3147066957_228175 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Operation of Echoplex I have an Echoplex EP2.
The tape inside was damaged.
So I purchased Jim Dunlop reissue tape.
I, however, do not realize how to set the tape.
Can I get a copy of instruction mannual of Echoplex EP2?
Thank you.

            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;        Shin-ichi --B_3147066957_228175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 02:34:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h926Sn625056; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 02:28:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 02:28:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Fabio Pianigiani To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: <9RvXVC.A.ZHG.hW8e_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 09:02:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92D0Dg29234; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:00:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:00:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.152.196.55] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:00:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 13:00:06.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A4C9260:01C388E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into club’s bass amp Cheers LOU >From: Fabio Pianigiani >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 > >Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 14:09:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92I3kl08301; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:03:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:05:20 +0200 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Fabio Pianigiani To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h92I3iU08276 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is he using a computer in live concerts? Thank you,Fabio Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: > I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, > digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into > clubís bass amp > Cheers > LOU > > > >> From: Fabio Pianigiani >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >> >> Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >> Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it > now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 14:31:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92IP5m11525; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:25:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:25:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:23:33 -0400 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <87CC6B38-F505-11D7-B62C-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h92IP4U11500 Resent-Message-ID: <2Fq-b.A.-zC.B2Gf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as mike peters stated in a recent post, e# uses a godin electric/acoustic 6-string feeding into a mac laptop using grm tools plugins, which are hosted by a max/msp vst patch. the show i saw in nyc at issue project room was great - he did a 'straight' acoustic set and then one with the computer manipulations. i also look forward to getting the new cd, velocity of hue. warped blues have never sounded better. i saw in a recent issue of 'the wire' that he's touring england with hubert sumlin. cool. cheers bruce On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 02:05 PM, Fabio Pianigiani wrote: > Is he using a computer in live concerts? > Thank you,Fabio > Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: > >> I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, >> digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into >> clubís bass amp >> Cheers >> LOU >> >> >> >>> From: Fabio Pianigiani >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >>> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >>> >>> Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >>> Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try >> it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com >> > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 15:05:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92Iv6m16938; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:57:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.168.38.11] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:56:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 18:57:00.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5C65ED0:01C38916] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It really depends on the music or project he is doing. Bruce & I saw different concerts & they was some very different setups . A good place to check is his road diary here: http://w1.311.telia.com/~u31113551/road03.html cheers Louis >From: Fabio Pianigiani >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:05:20 +0200 > >Is he using a computer in live concerts? >Thank you,Fabio >Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: > >>I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, >>digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into >>clubís bass amp >>Cheers >>LOU >> >> >> >>>From: Fabio Pianigiani >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >>>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >>> >>>Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >>>Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now >>FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com >> > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 15:40:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92JZr022744; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:35:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:35:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: WOT: Looking for looper/digital artist/musician/cool person to join me in a cool two bedroom in SF Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:35:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 19:35:46.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[6086C340:01C3891C] Resent-Message-ID: <8WVVlC.A.PjF.Z4Hf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I'm looking for a fellow looper to join me in the 2 bedroom condo I'm moving into this month. It's going to be $825/month, in the southern part of SF - great for commuters, or if you like easy access to everywhere SF. Nice open place, with your own bathroom. Of special interest: - I'll be converting a spacious walk in closet into a vocal/recording booth. I already have a decent mic/pre signal chain. Other upgrade to be determined, though I'm pretty much free to do whatever I like with the place. - We could set up our gear in the dining room, and finally have bedrooms that weren't full of gear. - Most importantly, we'll have group motivation for both of us to stop noodling and finishing things we've started. Does this sound interesting to you, or someone you know? Here are some quick pictures: http://www.groovetronica.com/condo And a map: http://tinyurl.com/phjg I've appended my craigslist post below. Thanks! bIz ---------------------------------- About the place: Approximately 1,000 sq. ft 2 bed/2 bath condo, top floor, corner unit (windows, everywhere, neighbours only one side), cathedral ceilings (about 15'), very bright, open and clean. It has a small deck for barbecuing and plants. Washer and dryer, gas stove, nice clean fridge. The unit is only a few years old, and feels it. Street parking is plentiful - we are right near Crocker Amazon park, so there are long stretches of 'open' parking spots. The room: Bright and open, with it's own bathroom, wide windows, and a closet. The location: Crocker-Amazon, on the Geneva/Ocean Ave corridor. 1/2 a block from Crocker-Amazon and McClaren park. Less than a mile from Caltrain station, 101 and 280 freeways, the tail end of mission, groceries, City College and SF State. It's perfectly situated if you have a job in the south bay, (or downtown - Caltrain runs both ways), but, like me, still want to experience everything that the city has to offer. My daily commute to Sunnyvale is under an hour by car, when I take it. I usually take the train, which is a little longer, but more convenient. The major throughways are so close that almost any part of the city from the Sunset to SOMA are a minutes away. The east bay is just as near - you have your choice of 280 or 101, to the bay bridge so you avoid the city snarl. Me: - I work as a video producer for a high tech company in the south bay. I spend most of my free time writing music and scoring independent shorts and films. - Vegetarian, not offended by the sight of meat. - Easy going english guy. You: Calm, collected, financially stable. Mellow girls are encouraged to apply (My last set of housemates (all girls) and girlfriend can attest to my house brokenness :>) However, I'm open to all genders/ages/races/sexual persuasions - just be a fun room mate. 420 is fine, though I don't do much myself - too much going on in my life :> I'm not to keen on tobacco smoke though. Relaxed cats and dogs are very welcome - I love pets, when they are someone else's. The place is a bit small for a large dog though. Rent would be $825/month, plus your share of garbage and utilities. Move in would be first and last, plus $500 security. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 16:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92KnMp01822; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:49:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:49:18 -0400 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h92KnMU01799 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com louis is correct, elliot is a man of many talents. bass clarinet, 8 string bass, guitar, laptop are all things i've seen him play, and play quite well. b On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Louis Rossi wrote: > It really depends on the music or project he is doing. Bruce & I saw > different concerts & they was some very different setups . A good > place to check is his road diary here: > > http://w1.311.telia.com/~u31113551/road03.html > > > cheers > Louis > > >> From: Fabio Pianigiani >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:05:20 +0200 >> >> Is he using a computer in live concerts? >> Thank you,Fabio >> Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: >> >>> I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, >>> digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into >>> clubís bass amp >>> Cheers >>> LOU >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Fabio Pianigiani >>>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >>>> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >>>> >>>> Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >>>> Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try >>> it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com >>> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! > http://msnmessenger-download.com > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 17:44:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92LWUD09444; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:34:31 +0200 Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Fabio Pianigiani To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <353CCBD6-F520-11D7-80C3-000393D7E036@tin.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h92LWTU09411 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank You Fabio Giovedě, 2 Ott 2003, alle 20:56 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: > It really depends on the music or project he is doing. Bruce & I saw > different concerts & they was some very different setups . A good > place to check is his road diary here: > > http://w1.311.telia.com/~u31113551/road03.html > > > cheers > Louis > > >> From: Fabio Pianigiani >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:05:20 +0200 >> >> Is he using a computer in live concerts? >> Thank you,Fabio >> GiovedĎ, 2 Ott 2003, alle 15:00 Europe/Rome, Louis Rossi ha scritto: >> >>> I saw Elliott a few weeks ago at Tonic/NYC. He had his 8-string gtr, >>> digitech whammy 2, boss gt3 & a boomerang for his loops. He ran into >>> clubĚs bass amp >>> Cheers >>> LOU >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Fabio Pianigiani >>>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: elliott sharp: the velocity of hue >>>> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:30:56 +0200 >>>> >>>> Do you know what kind of equipment Elliot Sharp is using? >>>> Thank you,Fabio Pianigiani >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try >>> it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com >>> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! > http://msnmessenger-download.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 22:30:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h932NU113489; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:23:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:23:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200309302333.h8UNXH011841@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:22:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am 50 years old today. I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my birth. If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life will be a perfect loop. See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival tomorrow night (Friday) (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello Moi dayglo green plastic yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 2 23:22:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h933GZU19787; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:17:56 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c3895c$f0a75300$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations, Rick! I'm due to hit the five-0 this coming February. Wish I could be there tomorrow. Loop On! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! I am 50 years old today. I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my birth. If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life will be a perfect loop. See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival tomorrow night (Friday) (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello Moi dayglo green plastic yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 01:21:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h935IfJ03443; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:32 EDT Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <-bJxOD.A.s1.xaQf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy Life Day, Rick~ May it be an endless loop of joy, and when you wake up out of the dream at the end, may The Real Fun begin... Timothy In a message dated 10/2/03 7:24:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > I am 50 years old today. > > I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm > going to start the countdown back to my > birth. > > If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life > will be a perfect loop. > > See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival > tomorrow night (Friday) > (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of > funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) > JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello > Moi dayglo green plastic > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > --part1_7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Life Day, Rick~

May it be an endless loop of joy, and when you wake up out of the dream at t= he end, may The Real Fun begin...

Timothy



In a message dated 10/2/03 7:24:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, looppool@cruzio= .com writes:

I am 50 years old today.

I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my
birth.

If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life will be a perfect loop.

See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival
tomorrow night (Friday)
(8:30 p.m. sharp!    $5-$10 sliding scale   noone t= urned away for lack of
funds   964 NATOMA   in the Soma district)
JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating        &= nbsp;  Zoe Keating solo cello
Moi   dayglo green plastic


yours,   Rick Walker




 --part1_7d.3eb94fbe.2cae60a8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 03:32:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h937UJZ19988; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 03:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 03:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:28:37 -0700 Subject: FW: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! From: Stan Card To: looper people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey you younguns-"five-0" aint nothin but the nickname for a great ol tv show...and police code for ?? congrats, good luck and all that stuff for makin it so far loopon&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on%om s > Congratulations, Rick! > > I'm due to hit the five-0 this coming February. > > Wish I could be there tomorrow. > > Loop On! > > Dennis Leas > ----------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! > > > I am 50 years old today. > > I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm > going to start the countdown back to my > birth. > > If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life > will be a perfect loop. > > See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival > tomorrow night (Friday) > (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of > funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) > JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello > Moi dayglo green plastic > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 07:23:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93BJhE19073; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:19:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:19:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c389a0$3867df50$f855f7a5@D9MS6F11> From: "The Tuned Univerese - Webmaster" To: References: <200309302333.h8UNXH011841@hemlock.violacea.com> <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Subject: Re: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:19:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congrats Rick. Seems like there's a lot of us in this age cluster. Must be that Baby Boom thing we keep hearing about. I've got another year to go. We's still young'uns. Jeff Bragg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! > I am 50 years old today. > > I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm > going to start the countdown back to my > birth. > > If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life > will be a perfect loop. > > See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival > tomorrow night (Friday) > (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of > funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) > JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello > Moi dayglo green plastic > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 08:17:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93CDwZ27963; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:13:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1065183010!3386829 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533A70@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Adrenalinn Groove box Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:05:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C389A6.AA055B00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C389A6.AA055B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>It's absolutely worth it. Particularly if you use MIDI clock. The Adrenalinn synch well to MIDI clock. I use it all of the time. Beat sycned tremolo, Flange and Filter sequences. Highly recommended.<< great amp sims, nice filter- hardly surprising with it's design pedigree. I went from mk1 to mk2 with a simple chipchange, just about doubled it's functionality in ten minutes. one of the better midi-clocked delays too; no glitching. why doesn't somebody make a simple delay box, not a multi-effects unit but a simple delay, stompbox even, that can take a midi clock? it's obviously do-able, and cheaply- the electribes from korg work just fine, but the same function in my boss sx700 and in several more elaborate modules is lousy with glitches even when driven directly from solid clocks like mmt8 or hr16. the little korg will stay locked w/ no glitches no matter how many other boxes the clock goes through first. still toying w/ the idea of a midi>tap tempo converter for the DL4. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C389A6.AA055B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Adrenalinn Groove box

>>It's absolutely worth it.  Particularly if y= ou use MIDI clock.  The
Adrenalinn synch well to MIDI clock.  I use it all = of the time.  Beat
sycned tremolo, Flange and Filter sequences.  Highl= y recommended.<<

great amp sims, nice filter- hardly surprising with it's = design pedigree. I went from mk1 to mk2 with a simple chipchange, just abou= t doubled it's functionality in ten minutes.

one of the better midi-clocked delays too; no glitching. = why doesn't somebody make a simple delay box, not a multi-effects unit but = a simple delay, stompbox even, that can take a midi clock? it's obviously d= o-able, and cheaply- the electribes from korg work just fine, but the same = function in my boss sx700 and in several more elaborate modules is lousy wi= th glitches even when driven directly from solid clocks like mmt8 or hr16. = the little korg will stay locked w/ no glitches no matter how many other bo= xes the clock goes through first.

still toying w/ the idea of a midi>tap tempo converter= for the DL4.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C389A6.AA055B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 09:07:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93D30j02618; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F7D737B.5020701@biink.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:02:51 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! References: <200309302333.h8UNXH011841@hemlock.violacea.com> <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> In-Reply-To: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <46f2JD.A.0o.EOXf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >I am 50 years old today. > >I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm >going to start the countdown back to my >birth. > The Hobart Phase! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 12:47:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93Geum07702; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:40:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1146923247==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <1FAy_D.A.P4B.Yaaf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1146923247==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ciao a tutti just a question to a small problem I've noticed that on the new G5 Mac there's a digital audio input; This most probably means that if I use a machine that has a digital audio out I could bypass an audio interface and bringing the digital signal to any audio software in the computer by the internal soundmanager It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors I have, digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? Seams a bit OT but think to your repetear... thanks ciao b:k --============_-1146923247==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question...
ciao a tutti


just a question to a small problem

I've noticed that on the new G5 Mac there's a digital audio input;

This most probably means that if I use a machine
that has a digital audio out I could bypass an audio interface and
bringing the digital signal to any audio software in the computer
by the internal soundmanager


It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but
the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors I have,
digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF.

I think Apple should have been takin' care of that...

Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical?

Seams a bit OT but think to your repetear...

thanks

ciao

b:k


--============_-1146923247==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 12:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93Gplg09766; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:51:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:51:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:53:07 -0500 Subject: Re: OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-993441829 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <105395A3-F5C2-11D7-A2AC-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-993441829 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed M-Audio makes a little device called a Co3 that does SPDIF optical to coax (actually it does all direction of all three connection types: Coax, TOS-Link, and AES/EBU) On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 11:40 AM, bruno kleinefeld wrote: > ciao a tutti > > > just a question to a small problem > > I've noticed that on the new G5 Mac there's a digital audio input; > > This most probably means that if I use a machine > that has a digital audio out I could bypass an audio interface and > bringing the digital signal to any audio software in the computer > by the internal soundmanager > > > It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but > the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio > processors I have, > digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. > > I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... > > Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital > audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? > > Seams a bit OT but think to your repetear... > > thanks > > ciao > > b:k > > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-2-993441829 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII M-Audio makes a little device called a Co3 that does SPDIF optical to coax (actually it does all direction of all three connection types: Coax, TOS-Link, and AES/EBU) On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 11:40 AM, bruno kleinefeld wrote: ciao a tutti just a question to a small problem I've noticed that on the new G5 Mac there's a digital audio input; This most probably means that if I use a machine that has a digital audio out I could bypass an audio interface and bringing the digital signal to any audio software in the computer by the internal soundmanager It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors I have, digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? Seams a bit OT but think to your repetear... thanks ciao b:k -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-2-993441829-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 13:49:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93HjoT19072; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031003104354.04104e90@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:49:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:40 AM 10/3/2003, bruno kleinefeld wrote: >It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but >the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors >I have, >digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. > >I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... > >Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital >audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? the optical version of SPDIF is created by running the electrical spdif signal through a simple opto-coupler. They are the same signaling protocol, so there is nothing to it really. The part is a very simple, cheap thing, so I would guess there are many people who make little convertors between the two. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 14:33:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h93IUHY25512; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:30:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F7DC004.7FFA83C@pixar.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:29:24 -0700 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT MAC G5 digital audio in, a question... References: <5.1.1.6.2.20031003104354.04104e90@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1vro7C.A.fOG.5Acf_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are. Midiman and hosa are two companies that sell cheap spdif optical/copper converters. The advantage Apple saw in the optical was avoiding ground connexions between the CPU and the analog audio realm, which is potentially significant. -Alex S. Kim Flint wrote: > > At 09:40 AM 10/3/2003, bruno kleinefeld wrote: > >It seems very useful and could even help to save some money... but > >the digital in on the G5 is optical and, at least on the audio processors > >I have, > >digital out are often (if not only) SPDIF. > > > >I think Apple should have been takin' care of that... > > > >Does anybody know if there's a way to connect something with a digital > >audio SPDIF out with a computer that has a digital audio in optical? > > the optical version of SPDIF is created by running the electrical spdif > signal through a simple opto-coupler. They are the same signaling protocol, > so there is nothing to it really. The part is a very simple, cheap thing, > so I would guess there are many people who make little convertors between > the two. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 22:04:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9422N122304; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:02:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:02:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.179.236] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BOSS OC2 pedal query Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:02:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2003 02:02:17.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[89910AC0:01C38A1B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, a slightly off topic post but seeing as i use this pedal with my looping gear I thought I would start here. I have just "upgraded" my Danelectro Octave pedal for a super posh new Boss OC-2 pedal, the problem Im having with it is it seems WAY to quiet. I am using it to make Faux-bass lines on 100% -1 octave with the rest switched off. Is there any way that I can tweak the pots to get more volume, at the moment I am getting a drop in volume from the pure bypassed guitar volume. I sold my danelectro pedal cos it was a little qlitchy in the tracking but by comparason I think I prefared to at least hear what Im playing. as always, all responses apreciated. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 3 22:24:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h942KVh24201; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <198.207e1d1c.2caf8863@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:20:19 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS OC2 pedal query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/3/03 7:02:53 PM, testtubemicro@hotmail.com writes: << Is there any way that I can tweak the pots to get more volume, at the moment I am getting a drop in volume from the pure bypassed guitar volume. >> Are you using a preamp? BobC check out: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 00:59:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h944utZ11641; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:56:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:56:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c38a35$3178b580$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents MCF Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 01:05:56 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's exciting to announce, after years of requests, that the first compilation of music from Ambient Ping artists is now here! Read rik maclean's *ping things* section, later in this e-mail, for more information on "PiNG AMBiENCE" and also visit http://www.corpusnet.com/rikstuff/pingthings/PTfeaturesNF.htm for an extensive interview with Jamie Todd, myself and the CD's mixer Rich Baker, as we discuss some of the Ping's history, many memorable performances and why Batman is cooler than James Bond... Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 7th - MCF Since their last show at the Ping on January 21st, MCF have been continuing to refine their sound. This performance (which will include some exciting visuals as well) will feature Michael Keith on laptop as well as some guitar and David Sait on electric guitar and looper. Their sound has been described as "not unlike a mix of the glitch rhythms of Autechre and the trance-like guitar parts of Mogwai". http://www.michaelkeith.com Between Sets CD - "The New Tribes EP" by Michael Mage A beguiling journey through the darker side of ambience - from soundscapes to ritualistic percussion. The CD also comes with "A Celebration of Ceremonies Past" - a book of poetry which compliments the ideas put forth in the music. http://www.michaelmage.net . (Available @ ping things) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 14th - Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne www.beefterminal.com www.listen.to/aidan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "PiNG AMBiENCE" by Various Artists As most of you know, every Tuesday night in Toronto THE AMBiENT PiNG hosts some of the best live electronic music around, featuring both local & international performers. Every night is exciting and unique in it's own way and as a result it's earned a very positive reputation in both the Toronto music scene and around the world. And now the PiNG is poised to become even more highly regarded with the release of PiNG AMBiENCE, a compilation CD put together by Rich Baker of Cymbl and ARC who is also a frequent guest on Tuesday nights. This disc brings together a number of artists who have become PiNG regulars (both as performers and as attendees) in a long form mix designed to give listeners a taste of what the PiNG is all about. Featuring such luminaries in the scene as dreamSTATE, Sylken, ARC and cheryl o, PiNG AMBiENCE is a fine example of the music that has made THE AMBiENT PiNG so highly regarded. Featuring a variety of tones, emotions, textures, PiNG AMBiENCE is sure to bring more attention to what is fast becoming one of the most exciting and vital electronic music scenes going. (Available now @ ping things) http://www.pingthings.com rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 05:08:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9495Jk13249; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:05:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:05:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c38a56$5e806840$65e65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #341 for October 2, 2003 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:03:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38A34.CAC2C380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38A34.CAC2C380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #341 October 2, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Michael Stearns, who will = be appearing at the Gatherings Concert Series on October 4. The Featured = CD at Midnight was "Collected Ambient and Textural Works 1977-1987" on the = Fathom label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "The Man Machine" by Kraftwerk on = Capitol records. Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct The Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Kraftwerk The Robots The Man Machine = (Capitol) The Mojave Wind Nipton Meditation Ricochet Gathering = Mojave 2003 Demo Sessions (none) Jan Hanner Darkness/Earth In The First Seven = (Columbia) Search Of A Sun The Sound Sphere The Groove in Factored E (none) Syndicate Snowglobvia Bluetech Leaving Babylon Prima Materia = (Waveform) VA [Dweller at the Ouroborus Part 2 Different Skies 2003 = (Atomic Threshold] City) Steve Roach Structures from Silence Space and Time = (Projekt) 12:00 am Michael Stearns Elysian E CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns M'Ocean CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Morning CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Ancient Leaves CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Subterranean Ambiance CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Rivers of Rhythm CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Vivki's Dance CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Jewel CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Night Currents CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns The Dragon's Dream World CA&TW (Fathom) Michael Stearns Desert Moon Walk CA&TW (Fathom) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Michael = Stearns who will be appearing at the Gatherings Concert Series on October 4. The = Featured CD at Midnight will be "Collected Thematic Works 1977 - 1987" on the = Fathom label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on Vertigo Records. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38A34.CAC2C380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #341       =20             October 2, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Michael = Stearns,=20 who will be
appearing at the Gatherings Concert Series on October = 4. =20 The Featured CD at
Midnight was "Collected Ambient and Textural Works = 1977-1987" on the Fathom
label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "The Man Machine" by Kraftwerk on = Capitol
records.
 
Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct
Th= e=20 Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Kraftwerk         &nbs= p;    =20 The=20 Robots           &= nbsp;  =20 The Man Machine (Capitol)
The Mojave=20 Wind         Nipton=20 Meditation        Ricochet Gathering = Mojave=20 2003
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Demo Sessions (none)
Jan=20 Hanner           &= nbsp; =20 Darkness/Earth In        The First = Seven=20 (Columbia)
          = ;            =    =20 Search Of A Sun
The Sound = Sphere       =20 The Groove = in           =20 Factored E (none)
 =20 Syndicate          &nbs= p;   =20 Snowglobvia
Bluetech        &n= bsp;      =20 Leaving Babylon          = Prima=20 Materia (Waveform)
VA [Dweller at the      = Ouroborus=20 Part 2         Different Skies = 2003=20 (Atomic
 =20 Threshold]          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 City)
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;=20 Structures from Silence  Space and Time (Projekt)
 
12:00 am
Michael = Stearns        =20 Elysian=20 E            =    =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 M'Ocean           =       =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Morning           =       =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Ancient=20 Leaves           = CA&TW=20 (Fathom)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Subterranean Ambiance    CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Rivers of=20 Rhythm         CA&TW=20 (Fathom)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Vivki's = Dance           =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Jewel           &n= bsp;       =20 CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Night=20 Currents           = CA&TW=20 (Fathom)
Michael = Stearns         The=20 Dragon's Dream World CA&TW (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Desert Moon=20 Walk         CA&TW = (Fathom)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Michael Stearns who
will be appearing at the Gatherings Concert = Series on=20 October 4.  The Featured
CD at Midnight will be "Collected = Thematic=20 Works 1977 - 1987" on the Fathom
label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on=20 Vertigo
Records.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38A34.CAC2C380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 05:41:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h949di918070; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:39:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:39:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c38a5b$b84e44a0$e0154ed5@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Subject: Re: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:38:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am 50 years old today. > yours, Rick Walker HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Hope you have a marvelllous day, and here's to another 50 years of tireless promotion of creative music around the world! :o) Take Care Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 06:39:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94AbcV26003; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:37:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 19:37:44 +0900 Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200310040459.h944xV812006@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com way to go Rick! best, os. On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 01:59 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > Date: Fri Oct 3, 2003 11:22:02 AM Asia/Tokyo > To: > Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! > > > I am 50 years old today. > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 07:50:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94BgGm32356; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> References: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:42:00 +0200 To: From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tanti auguri a te tanti auguri a te tanti auguri, caro Rick... tanti auguri a te!!! ... does anybody know the music? :-)) ciao Rick >I am 50 years old today. > >I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm >going to start the countdown back to my >birth. > >If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life >will be a perfect loop. > >See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival >tomorrow night (Friday) >(8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of >funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) >JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello >Moi dayglo green plastic > > >yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 08:32:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94CUF904507; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:30:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:30:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c38a73$1005e600$6462f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310040459.h944xV912009@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:28:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did not want to post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down. This is the schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Participants please send me confirmation that you have recieved this information ASAP, please...................and thank you. The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling changes. Both JHNO and Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment (Aaron's brother was in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that disrupted everything and I still don't know why JHNO didn't play). Luckily, Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky to do two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg and with Zoe..............I had the best time and now I feel like I can put the Dayglo Green mega-piece to bed for a while. Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for hosting us and for being so supportive of the fringe musical arts in San Francisco.!!! yours, Rick Walker THE Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL featuring 32 continuous live looping performances by artists from all over the United States and California with special guest artist: GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, UK) \\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th, 11th and 12th/////// Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) 1100 Soque Avenue, Santa Cruz, California admission: $10/day $20/three day pass no one turned away for lack of funds Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL FULL SCHEDULE: Friday Night, October 10th "NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS" 8:00 p.m. MIKE BIFFLE (Miko B) 8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS 9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG 9:30 p.m. TED KILLIAN 10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED ARTIST) Saturday Afternoon, October 11th 1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST) 2:30 p.m. DARYAIE KOOROSH 3:00 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO 3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE 4:00 p.m. RICK WALKER 4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON 5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER 5:30 p.m. TIMOTHY CROWE Saturday Night, October 11th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith) 8:30 p.m. WAYNE JACKSON 9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN 9:30 p.m. MAX VALENTINO 10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED ARTIST) Sunday afternoon, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie status) 2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR 3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary Lehman) 3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE 4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan Card) 4:30 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON 5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri) 5:30 p.m. JOHN WHOOLEY Sunday evening, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA 8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO (FEATURED ARTIST) 9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST 9:30 p.m. JIMMY GEORGE 10:00 p.m. Loop.pooL ************************************************************************** for more information and interview requests and journalistic enquiries contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter) 831-425-8659 rickwalker@looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 11:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94EvRr22368; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.10 (webedge20-101-191-20030113) From: To: Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:57:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at web02-imail.rogers.com from [127.0.0.1] using ID at Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:57:13 -0400 Message-Id: <20031004145713.FYYU430578.web02-imail.rogers.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations Rick. I'm a year-and-a-half away myself. I wish I could've made your performance, but: a) I get the digest, and so didn't see your post until this morning (Saturday). b) Even if I'd seen it at the time, I live in Toronto and, though the Concorde passed through here earlier in the week, it wasn't headed your way. So, to make up for it, I'll pull out that disc you sent me some time ago and play some of it on the radio show this Sunday evening. All the best to ya! -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:22 PM I am 50 years old today. James Bailey host: Electric Storm / A Missing Sense CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto www.ckln.fm electricstorm@ckln.fm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 12:11:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94G9VV04391; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:09:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.1a474bfa.2cb04aa8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:09:12 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got it.....hey rickeeeeee, whats the weather like so i can dress correctly?.....s.g. AKA : POSH WILLIE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 12:16:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94GD8F05016; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:13:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:13:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:13:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Oberheim EDP problem From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my oberheim edp is now constantly showing pulse activity on the input led (nothing is plugged in on the edp), and there is no sound coming through. all the looping functions seem to work as expected, there is just no sound. i cleaned the input and output pots with contact cleaner to no avail. kim, any idea? i suppose gibson still supports the oberheim branded edp's, yes? or is there a tech who knows those machines on the us east coast (i live in rural maine)? thanks in advance, laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 15:35:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94JW6j04093; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:32:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:32:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031004123428.029e9150@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:35:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my idea is you should contact gibson's customer service and get it fixed. kim At 09:13 AM 10/4/2003, Laurent Brondel wrote: >my oberheim edp is now constantly showing pulse activity on the input led >(nothing is plugged in on the edp), and there is no sound coming through. >all the looping functions seem to work as expected, there is just no >sound. i cleaned the input and output pots with contact cleaner to no >avail. kim, any idea? i suppose gibson still supports the oberheim branded >edp's, yes? or is there a tech who knows those machines on the us east >coast (i live in rural maine)? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 15:49:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94JmVP06107; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:48:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:00:16 +0200 Subject: electrix repeater wanted From: To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let me know. Thank's Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 16:56:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94KsA314748; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:53:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi, >I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let >me know. As an alternative, have you considered the Line 6 Filter Pro? I think it absolutely nails the Electrix Repeater sound used in U2's "Elevation", so my initial thoughts are that the model is quite good. Maybe it's another option for you? Just a thought. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 17:11:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94L8JY17303; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:13:17 +0000 Subject: Life v4.... (was I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!!) From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148150397_289466_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148150397_289466_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit .... not forgetting DirectMIDI A of A# for those moments you'd rather redo..... Best wishes j jeremy www.masse.org.uk 07941 428 122 ---------- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Subject: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! Date: Fri, Oct 3, 2003, 2:22 am I am 50 years old today. I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my birth. If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life will be a perfect loop. See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival tomorrow night (Friday) (8:30 p.m. sharp! $5-$10 sliding scale noone turned away for lack of funds 964 NATOMA in the Soma district) JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating Zoe Keating solo cello Moi dayglo green plastic yours, Rick Walker --MS_Mac_OE_3148150397_289466_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Life v4.... (was I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!!) .... not forgetting DirectMIDI A of A# for those moments you'd rather redo.= ....

Best wishes

j


jeremy
www.masse.org.uk
07941 428 122

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From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: OT:   I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!!
Date: Fri, Oct 3, 2003, 2:22 am


I am 50 years old today.

I just hit the reverse button on the loop machine that is my life and I'm going to start the countdown back to my
birth.

If there is a such a thing as reincarnation...................then my life<= BR> will be a perfect loop.

See anyone interested at the 1st San Francisco Live Looping Festival
tomorrow night (Friday)
(8:30 p.m. sharp!      $5-$10 sliding scale  =  noone turned away for lack of
funds   964 NATOMA   in the Soma district)
JHNO/Aaron Ximm/Zoe Keating         = ;          Zoe Keating sol= o cello
Moi    dayglo green plastic


yours,   Rick Walker









--MS_Mac_OE_3148150397_289466_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 17:34:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94LVhK21821; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:31:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:31:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:31:37 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22D83AD8-F6B2-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps you should just buy a 72 Ford Falcon as it has many of the same chemical compounds in it's makeup and it's quite a stylish car if you like that sort of thing. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 01:53 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale >> please let >> me know. > > As an alternative, have you considered the Line 6 Filter Pro? I think > it absolutely nails the Electrix Repeater sound used in U2's > "Elevation", so my initial thoughts are that the model is quite good. > Maybe it's another option for you? Just a thought. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 17:47:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94Lirw25441; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22D83AD8-F6B2-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <22D83AD8-F6B2-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:44:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Perhaps you should just buy a 72 Ford Falcon as it has many of the >same chemical compounds in it's makeup and it's quite a stylish car >if you like that sort of thing. Perhaps you should go back to grammar school and learn the difference between "it's" and "its", jack ass. :) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 17:51:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94Lmm826280; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:48:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:53:46 +0000 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148152827_435641_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148152827_435641_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi there, What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you? Best wishes j ---------- From: To: Subject: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm Hi, I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let me know. Thank's Christian --MS_Mac_OE_3148152827_435641_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: electrix repeater wanted Hi there,

What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you?

Best wishes

j

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From: <gobag@telia.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: electrix repeater wanted
Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm


Hi,
I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let=
me know.
Thank's
Christian





--MS_Mac_OE_3148152827_435641_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:04:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94M37828565; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:03:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:03:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:03:04 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8738B05C-F6B6-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fuck you! On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 02:44 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> Perhaps you should just buy a 72 Ford Falcon as it has many of the >> same chemical compounds in it's makeup and it's quite a stylish car >> if you like that sort of thing. > > Perhaps you should go back to grammar school and learn the difference > between "it's" and "its", jack ass. :) > > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:05:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94M41L28924; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c38ac3$39252fa0$c564f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310042111.h94LB5x17612@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K3 weather conditions Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:02:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fall has just started to move in so the days are warm still and the nights brisk (but not buy East Coast standards). That being said, Indian Summer frequently brings the hottest days of the year and it can be completely unpredictable so bring layers of clothing and prepare to strip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol, Rick, the Looping Hippy Weatherman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:16:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94MDsO31012; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:13:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:13:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c38ac4$b4d532c0$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: References: <8738B05C-F6B6-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:13:11 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2Vt6ID.A.bkH.iY0f_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please cool down guys and Mr. Jeff Shirkey please watch your language and your attitude. Best regards, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: 05 Ekim 2003 Pazar 01:03 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted > Fuck you! > On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 02:44 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > >> Perhaps you should just buy a 72 Ford Falcon as it has many of the > >> same chemical compounds in it's makeup and it's quite a stylish car > >> if you like that sort of thing. > > > > Perhaps you should go back to grammar school and learn the difference > > between "it's" and "its", jack ass. :) > > > > > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:16:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94MCTd30616; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8738B05C-F6B6-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <8738B05C-F6B6-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:12:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Fuck you! Aw, I'm so sorry. The big, bad bully got a taste of his own medicine. Well, boo hoo, hoo. Sniff, sniff... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:21:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94MJxs32669; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:19:58 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The original message is looking for a Repeater not a Filter Factory. Mark on 10/4/03 1:53 PM, Jeff Shirkey at jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let >> me know. > > As an alternative, have you considered the Line 6 Filter Pro? I think > it absolutely nails the Electrix Repeater sound used in U2's > "Elevation", so my initial thoughts are that the model is quite good. > Maybe it's another option for you? Just a thought. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 18:32:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94MUnD02507; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:30:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The original message is looking for a Repeater not a Filter Factory. > Ah, thank you. My bad! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 20:09:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95070u15854; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:07:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:07:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RANE SM-82 MIXER FS Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:06:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2003 00:06:53.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[954283D0:01C38AD4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RANE SM-82 One Space Line Mixer FS $300+S/H New they sell for $450 thanks -matt _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 20:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h950ak019122; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:36:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:36:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c38ad8$8fd55e00$1f61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310040459.h944xV912009@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Max Valentino and the Featured Artist Status at Y2K3 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:35:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, In a frantic scramble to rearrange the schedule for the Y2K3 Live Looping Festival next weekend I accidentally forgot to transfer the fact that Max Valentino is one of our featured artists this year. Max will be playing at 9:30 p.m. on Saturday, October 11th. I really wanted to honor Max (and several loopers this year) with a featured artist designation. Each one of them has a special reason why I thought they deserved to be specially recognized but Max has been really aggressive about promoting live looping in the Bakersfield/Tehachipi area and other places in Southern California. Not only is he a wonderful artist but he is also a prolific teacher and is turning young artists on to what we do all the time. ************************************************* You know, Mark Sottilaro, took me to task for having a featured artist categorization this year. I wanted to explain where I'm coming from so everyone knows. Firstly, the designation is NOT A COMPETITION, but an acknowledgement. If I continue to do this festival (which I hope to do), I will be rotating this award. I just realized that there are several people (includingartists who will perform this year who did not recieve that small accolade) who are really doing important work in their live looping acts. I also was inspired by Hans Lindauer's spicing up Looptock this year with a Website of the Year Award (Kim is going to win this puppy every year, don't you think? lol). It just made Loopstock more fun and it added an element of ritual to it. I would have also continued in this tradtion by having Richard Zvonar finish his looping history but other events have prevented him from doing this. Also, everyone is donating their time to this festival (and the Loopstocks' too, for that matter) and I wanted a little something to send people back with. It is a small thing but to claim that you are a featured artist at a music festival is an incredibly great thing to put on your resume when you are trying to secure spots in other festivals or appy for granting. This is a small honor and one of the only things I can give back to some of the outstanding artists who will be playing (besides my donated work producing, publicizing and planning the festival). Once again: It is NOT A COMPETITION, but an acknowledgement. If I continue to do this festival (which I hope to do), I will be rotating this award. Please take this in the spirit with which it was presented. To make the show a better show each year and to acknowledge people thanks everyone............yours, in the spirit of promoting live looping wherever we can, Rick Walker (festival organizer: Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL) www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 4 21:18:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h951Fe123405; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:15:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:15:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <37.3ece2dfa.2cb0caad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:15:25 EDT Subject: WTB: Echoplex pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd control it from my existing MIDI setup. Things are proving harder than anticipated there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag another board around. Hmmm... sooo.. anyone? Thanks, Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 00:05:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9543WA20287; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Agent 22 needs Echoplex pedal Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:03:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <37.3ece2dfa.2cb0caad@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny--I just hooked mine up again. You can also use a normal momentary, or a FS300 footswitch--see the archives, you can customize it for your needs. Just be sure to remove the existing resistors or whatever they are--I have two FS300s that I tried to modify, got >this close< to making it work. Want to try those? Gary Hi all, Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd control it from my existing MIDI setup. Things are proving harder than anticipated there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag another board around. Hmmm... sooo.. anyone? Thanks, Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 00:06:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9543vp20389; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:03:49 EDT Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9.38448f37.2cb0f225_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c9.38448f37.2cb0f225_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/4/03 6:03:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Fuck you! > even though i love this kind-o-talk it may be inappropriate for children under 50.....:).....michael --part1_c9.38448f37.2cb0f225_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/4/0= 3 6:03:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


Fuck you!


even though i love this kind-o-talk it may be inappropriate for children und= er 50.....:).....michael --part1_c9.38448f37.2cb0f225_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 01:37:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h955ZbJ03372; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 22:36:18 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a little humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. Don't waste your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 03:30 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> The original message is looking for a Repeater not a Filter Factory. >> > > Ah, thank you. My bad! > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 01:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h955rpG06297; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:53:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:53:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031005000217.009e5150@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:02:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: OT: I AM 50 YEARS OLD TODAY!!!! In-Reply-To: <00cf01c38955$2246da00$2561f93f@global> References: <200309302333.h8UNXH011841@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rickster, -Hope you're having a nice weekend!... Smiles, and birthday spankings of course! lollollol! Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sat. 10.4.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 03:04:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9573OE16248; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 03:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 03:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031005011150.007fb750@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:11:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark felt it necessary to declare, Don't waste >your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. *laughing* Mark, wouldn't it be a whole lot simpler if you just simply filtered the whole freakin' list and then decided as you went, depending on yer' moods or dice or the alignment of the stars or how much gear you had that week, and such, who you'd let in?!!! lollollol! -Love ya... Kiss kiss... C-Quinn --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sat. 10.4.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 04:19:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h958F2g27245; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:20:00 +0000 Subject: Re: WTB: Echoplex pedal From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148190401_316515_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148190401_316515_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Tom, Well worth getting the footpedal - it really opens up the EDP functionality as a live performance tool ..... If you draw a blank on finding one s/h then you could make your own as it is just switches and resistors. You could use the "little red buttons" or source your own switches. This link tell you the values of the resistors to make your own: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html I am going to try this myself, planning a button layout to reduce foot movement. As the footpedal works by just connecting a resistor of the approriate value across the EDP footpedal input it should be possible to have multiple footpedals connected at once (as long as you don't operate them at the same moment). Handy for multi-instrumentalists, percussionists etc. who need instant control to hand in various places. It is possible to add an extra switch for the "parameters" button although the new "presets' feature in Loop 4 means you can change a number of parameter settings at a stroke with program changes (new manual section 8.2). Hope this helps Best wishes j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: DialaThos@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WTB: Echoplex pedal Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2003, 1:15 am Hi all, Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd control it from my existing MIDI setup. Things are proving harder than anticipated there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag another board around. Hmmm... sooo.. anyone? Thanks, Tom Griesgraber www.thossounds.com --MS_Mac_OE_3148190401_316515_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: WTB: Echoplex pedal Hi Tom,

Well worth getting the footpedal - it really opens up the EDP functionality= as a live performance tool .....

If you draw a blank on finding one s/h then you could make your own as it i= s just switches and resistors. You could use the "little red buttons&qu= ot; or source your own switches. This link tell you the values of the resist= ors to make your own:  

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html

I am going to try this myself, planning a button layout to reduce foot move= ment.

As the footpedal works by just connecting a resistor of the approriate valu= e across the EDP footpedal input it should be possible to have multiple foot= pedals connected at once (as long as you don't operate them at the same mome= nt). Handy for multi-instrumentalists, percussionists etc. who need instant = control to hand in various places.

It is possible to add an extra switch for the "parameters" button= although the new "presets' feature in Loop 4 means you can change a nu= mber of parameter settings at a stroke with program changes (new manual sect= ion 8.2).

Hope this helps

Best wishes

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122


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From: DialaThos@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: WTB: Echoplex pedal
Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2003, 1:15 am


Hi all,

Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd
control it from my existing MIDI setup.  Things are proving harder tha= n anticipated
there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag anothe= r
board around.  Hmmm... sooo.. anyone?

Thanks,
Tom Griesgraber
www.thossounds.com





--MS_Mac_OE_3148190401_316515_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 04:22:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h958LXd27896; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 04:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F7FD609.6090706@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:27:53 -0700 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Agent 22 needs Echoplex pedal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an extra pedal,needs some soldering ,but you could definatly get it on the cheap.. Relay wrote: >Funny--I just hooked mine up again. You can also use a normal momentary, or >a FS300 footswitch--see the archives, you can customize it for your needs. >Just be sure to remove the existing resistors or whatever they are--I have >two FS300s that I tried to modify, got >this close< to making it work. Want >to try those? > >Gary > >Hi all, > >Just on the odd chance... I bought my Echoplex sans pedal figuring I'd >control it from my existing MIDI setup. Things are proving harder than >anticipated >there though so now I'm wondering if it might just be easier to drag another >board around. Hmmm... sooo.. anyone? > >Thanks, >Tom Griesgraber >www.thossounds.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 10:27:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95EKq526384; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:32:40 +0200 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148216360_259973_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148216360_259973_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater... I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and sounds really good for it's price (and size). One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are desingned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click sound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass and use condensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it with an pickup which doesn't give the "true acoustic sound". I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to replace the switches. Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board at least look like to have more silent switches. Does it sound better that the repeater? /Christian Hi there, What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you? Best wishes j ---------- From: To: Subject: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm Hi, I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let me know. Thank's Christian --MS_Mac_OE_3148216360_259973_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: electrix repeater wanted
Hi,

Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater...
I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and sounds re= ally good for it's price (and size).

One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are desing= ned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click s= ound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass and use c= ondensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it with an pickup whi= ch doesn't give the "true acoustic sound".

I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to = replace the switches.
Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board at le= ast look like to have more silent switches.
Does it sound better that the repeater?

/Christian

Hi there,

What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you?

Best wishes

j

----------
From: <gobag@telia.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: electrix repeater wanted
Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm


Hi,
I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let=
me know.
Thank's
Christian







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John Cecil Price's new, mega-ambient, instrumental CD, "THEOS= OPHY", is now online & available for free-download.
 
"THEOSOPHY', is one continuous song made up of several loop heavy=20= songs morphing in and out of each other ( approx 12 minutes ), into a c= omplete work entitled "POLY-OMEGA".
 
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-------------------------------1065367448-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 13:19:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95HHXM29151; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:19:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2003 17:17:26.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CAC04E0:01C38B64] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: electrix repeater wanted>I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to replace the switches. doesn't sound like much of an expert to me -smile- I think there are several people on the list who have talked about modifying the DL4 with quieter switches. Can anyone chime in here - I don't own a DL4? The electrix repeater does many of the same things as the DL4, and much much more. It is actually quite a different beast. The repeater doesn't come with any footswitches at all, so you'd have to find yourself a good midi controller that's silent - which is quite a task right there. Many people consider the Echoplex as the top of the food chain of loopers. Very nice sound quality, and features you'd never even think would exist, until you try them and it becomes and indispensable part of your sound. The footpedal can be very quiet, and certainly can be customized very easily. I personally like using it with socks or bare feet, and I can get it to be completely silent this way. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 13:24:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95HLdl29873; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:21:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c38b65$0b42f0c0$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: 2003 russolo results and audiomulch... Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:20:56 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear friends, I am happy to announce that I received the "3rd prize" at 2003 Luigi Russolo Electroacoustic Competition ( one of the most prestigious electronic music competitions in the world besides ars prix, bourges, musica nova ) with my piece "Below the cold ocean". The composition will be released on a compilation album by May 2004. You may listen to a 3 minute excerpt from this 12 minute piece at http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com I used "Audiomulch" and "smartelectronix" plugins for creating nearly all of the sounds in the piece. I hope everyone will enjoy the composition. Be sure to check out these sites for superb free plugins and programs. www.audiomulch.com www.smartelectronix.com With the new version Audiomulch is a really good looper software besides being an excellent realtime audio processing software. Check it out if you have not already. Thank you very much, Best regards. Erdem Helvacioglu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 14:08:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95I7Ev07436; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031005180705.32752.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:07:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8yt2mC.A.A0B.R3Fg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What are the features the Repeater offers that are > important to you? 4 unique tracks to loop on. that means up to 99 overdubs on 4 different tracks! you can record a track, put an ambient loop over it (on a different track), then fade out the original track and play it live. great way to add textures to a groove live without having to loop your original groove! also great for demoing songs. gives you a chance to have a digital 4 track at your disposal live that can be triggerred entirely via footswitch!!! lots of other cool and useful features. I've got 2 of em in my rig! ~ evan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 14:22:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h95IKUv10340; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:20:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:21:08 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Both the Repeater and the EDP are great boxes. Repeaters are no longer made, but you can get service for them. Used Repeaters hover around $600 as do used EDPs. Neither comes with any footswitch. The EDPs seems pretty good and quiet, but a little delicate. Since any MIDI footswitch will work for the Repeater people seem to like (as do I) the Behringer FCB1010. It's tough and quiet. However, for Record, stop and undo functions I use the Digitech F300, which does have stompbox like buttons. They don't bother me, but I'm not using acoustic instruments. Regardless, I'd look at both boxes and see what they do and figure out which one fits your needs and then find footswitches that work for you. There are options for both. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 07:32 AM, wrote: > > Hi, > > Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater... > I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and > sounds really good for it's price (and size). > > One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are > desingned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click > sound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass > and use condensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it > with an pickup which doesn't give the "true acoustic sound". > > I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible > to replace the switches. > Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board > at least look like to have more silent switches. > Does it sound better that the repeater? > > /Christian > > Hi there, > > What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you? > > Best wishes > > j > > ---------- > From: > To: > Subject: electrix repeater wanted > Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm > > > Hi, > I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale > please let > me know. > Thank's > Christian > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 21:30:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h961TUs25097; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:29:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:29:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:29:28 -0700 Subject: Re: 2003 russolo results and audiomulch... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005f01c38b65$0b42f0c0$0200a8c0@erdem> Message-Id: <8705FA26-F79C-11D7-A9E7-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice track! Reminds me a little bit of the Bill Laswell / Testu Inoue album Cymatic Scan, one of my favorite ambient albums. (does contain looping, Topic Police) Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 10:20 AM, erdem helvacioglu wrote: > Dear friends, > > I am happy to announce that I received the "3rd prize" at 2003 Luigi > Russolo Electroacoustic Competition ( one of the most prestigious > electronic music competitions in the world besides ars prix, bourges, > musica > nova ) > with my piece "Below the cold ocean". > The composition will be released on a compilation album by May 2004. > You may > listen to a 3 minute excerpt from this 12 minute piece at > http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com > > I used "Audiomulch" and "smartelectronix" plugins for creating nearly > all of > the sounds in the piece. I hope everyone will enjoy the composition. > > Be sure to check out these sites for superb free plugins and programs. > > www.audiomulch.com > www.smartelectronix.com > > With the new version Audiomulch is a really good looper software > besides > being an > excellent realtime audio processing software. Check it out if you have > not > already. > > Thank you very much, > > Best regards. > > Erdem Helvacioglu > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 5 21:34:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h961WYP25756; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:32:34 -0700 Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20031005180705.32752.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4gjxSC.A.TSG.yYMg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 11:07 AM, Evan Meyers wrote: >> What are the features the Repeater offers that are >> important to you? > > 4 unique tracks to loop on. that means up to 99 > overdubs on 4 different tracks! Actually, you can overdub for infinity, but you can make 99 different 4 track loops. It's my looper of choice mainly because it can give me 2 stereo tracks per loop and it's a lot less expensive than the Echoplex which is mono and I think does 9 loops (but only can play one at a time) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 00:27:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h964PW524547; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:25:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:25:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:25:22 EDT Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.38a2f04d.2cb248b2_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c3.38a2f04d.2cb248b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a little > humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. Don't waste > your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. > > Mark Sottilaro > Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine in ANY way. Go back to your one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. Yawn Tim --part1_c3.38a2f04d.2cb248b2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

Ah, now who feels like the idio= t?  I was trying to interject a little
humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor.  Don't waste=
your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter.

Mark Sottilaro


Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric displays.= Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine in ANY way. Go b= ack to your  one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can get Terry Blanke= nship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'.

Yawn

Tim --part1_c3.38a2f04d.2cb248b2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 02:06:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9664XV08730; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 02:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 02:04:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 23:05:15 -0700 Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0DE770D6-F7C3-11D7-8F49-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9664WU08708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. Hello! Is anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was poking fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) He's got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right. If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his "featured performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I just find it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when the only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a "Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not dim like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought Terry was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and probably half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this list!) I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album: Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all. Needs to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. Better yet, drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a crap to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of that thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. I'm not saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it either. So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my instincts and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! Cheerio! Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > Ah, now who feels like the idiot?  I was trying to interject a little > humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor.  Don't waste > your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric > displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine > in ANY way. Go back to your  one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can > get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. > > Yawn > > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 06:10:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96A7LB12086; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:54:54 +0000 Subject: Footswitches and choices (was electrix repeater wanted) From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148282494_176149_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148282494_176149_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Christian, Switch, and other physical noises The difficultly of replacing the Line 6 switches will depend on the type of switch. If they are "momentary" (i.e. connected when you press, open when you release) then it should be possible to wire external switches in parallel to the internal ones. You could then use EDP type buttons, microswitches or what ever suited you best in a separate box. How good are Line6 with this kind of support question? The EDP certainly has quiet switches that can be operated with a toe. A Repeater will need a MIDI foot controller, or the Digitech footswitch so switch noise (and creakings from the case) will depend on that. (I use a Yamaha MFC10 rather than the Behringer). I've noticed the "tempo" and "loop" knobs on the Repeater make a clicking sound when turned which gets picked up by vocal microphone in studio. Digitech footswitch info in archive: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200104/msg00030.html Looper Choices Repeater, EDP, Line6, other? Different tools each with their strengths. Which tool you choose will depend on how you want to approach the task of looping and how you integrate it with your playing. Worth having an in depth read of manuals available on the Internet: http://www.electrixpro.com/ manual_repeater_E.pdf ; manual_repeater_addendum_E.pdf ; repeater_os11notes.pdf http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html LoopIVGuide.pdf (link above) EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf (don't know if this is out there yet) I'm sure loads of people on the list will be able to point up where each unit scores. A few observations from me: Echoplex software is beautifully thought out, subtle with powerful features to organically evolve your loop and plan your exit strategies. fast and sure in use - it does what you tell it on the button "hands off" operation - with the footpedal and feedback pedal you can do pretty much everything hands free. With a MIDI controller and the v4 Presets feature you can get to everything with your feet. You'll want a second one, a third ...... Repeater record your loop separated into four tracks with faders memory cards long loop lengths possible time stretch and pitch shifting are amazing fun.... not perfect but very handy. cannot go directly into "overdub" from "record" quirks in the MIDI synchronisation - can misread clock at double speed "beat detection" can interfere with timing precision software very unlikely to be upgraded beyond v1.1 Hope this is helpful. Best wishes j ---------- From: To: Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2003, 2:32 pm Hi, Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater... I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and sounds really good for it's price (and size). One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are desingned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click sound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass and use condensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it with an pickup which doesn't give the "true acoustic sound". I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to replace the switches. Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board at least look like to have more silent switches. Does it sound better that the repeater? /Christian Hi there, What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you? Best wishes j ---------- From: To: Subject: electrix repeater wanted Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm Hi, I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let me know. Thank's Christian --MS_Mac_OE_3148282494_176149_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Footswitches and choices (was electrix repeater wanted) Hi Christian,  

Switch, and other physical noises

The difficultly of replacing the Line 6 switches will depend on the type of= switch. If they are "momentary" (i.e. connected when you press, o= pen when you release) then it should be possible to wire external switches i= n parallel to the internal ones. You could then use EDP type buttons, micros= witches or what ever suited you best in a separate box. How good are Line6 w= ith this kind of support question?

The EDP certainly has quiet switches that can be operated with a toe. A Rep= eater will need a MIDI foot controller, or the Digitech footswitch so switch= noise (and creakings from the case) will depend on that. (I use a Yamaha MF= C10 rather than the Behringer). I've noticed the "tempo" and "= ;loop" knobs on the Repeater make a clicking sound when turned which ge= ts picked up by vocal microphone in studio. Digitech footswitch info in arch= ive: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/20010= 4/msg00030.html


Looper Choices

Repeater, EDP, Line6, other? Different tools each with their strengths. Whi= ch tool you choose will depend on how you want to approach the task of loopi= ng and how you integrate it with your playing. Worth having an in depth read= of manuals available on the Internet:

http://www.electrixpro.com/
  • manual_repeater_E.pdf ;
  • manual_repeater_addendum_E.pdf ;
  • repeater_os11notes.pdf

http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV= /loopIV.html
  • LoopIVGuide.pdf (link above)
  • EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf (don't know if this is out there yet)

I'm sure loads of people on the list will be able to point up where each un= it scores. A few observations from me:

Echoplex
  • software is beautifully thought out, subtle with powerful features = to organically evolve your loop and plan your exit strategies.
  • fast and sure in use - it does what you tell it on the button
  • "hands off" operation - with the footpedal and feedback pedal= you can do pretty much everything hands free. With a MIDI controller and th= e v4 Presets feature you can get to everything with your feet.
  • You'll want a second one, a third ......


Repeater
  • record your loop separated into four tracks with faders
  • memory cards
  • long loop lengths possible
  • time stretch and pitch shifting are amazing fun.... not perfect but ver= y handy.
  • cannot go directly into "overdub" from "record"
  • quirks in the MIDI synchronisation - can misread clock at double speed
  • "beat detection" can interfere with timing precision
  • software very unlikely to be upgraded beyond v1.1

Hope this is helpful.

Best wishes

j






----------
From: <gobag@telia.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: electrix repeater wanted
Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2003, 2:32 pm



Hi,

Well I must admit that I don't know too much of the repeater...
I have a line6 delay modeler (w/loop capabilities) that works and sounds re= ally good for it's price (and size).

One thing I don't like about the line6 is that the foot switches are desing= ned to be like the old "stomp boxes" and therefore gives a click s= ound that is very annoying in the studio, since I play double bass and use c= ondensator mics that are very sensitive I can only use it with an pickup whi= ch doesn't give the "true acoustic sound".

I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to r= eplace the switches.
Would you advise me to get an echoplex instead, since the pedal board at le= ast look like to have more silent switches.
Does it sound better that the repeater?

/Christian

Hi there,

What are the features the Repeater offers that are important to you?

Best wishes

j

----------
From: <gobag@telia.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: electrix repeater wanted
Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 8:00 pm


Hi,
I'm looking for a electrix repeater, if anyone have one for sale please let=
me know.
Thank's
Christian








--MS_Mac_OE_3148282494_176149_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 07:20:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96BHPt20876; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:17:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:17:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.20] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS OC2 pedal query Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:17:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 11:17:19.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[67D3ECE0:01C38BFB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ><< Is there any way that I can tweak the pots to get more volume, at the >moment >I am getting a drop in volume from the pure bypassed guitar volume. >> > >Are you using a preamp? > >BobC > Sorry for the delay in this conversation,ive been moving houses again. Im going direct from guitar to the OC-2 then onward through my effects chain to the DL-4 then finally into my amp. it is exactly the same set up ive used previously with the Danelectro Octave pedal and that was way louder. any thoughts on where to go from her? Thanks for your help Phill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 08:18:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96CGIM29531; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1065441685!3468195 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533A85@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: line6 switches (was electrix repeater) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:56:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C38C00.EC5BE580" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38C00.EC5BE580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I asked an expert on customizing and he didn't know if it was possible to replace the switches. << after the violence of that last exchange..... do people come at their e-mails after a few beers or something? unexpected belligerence, and the grammar "correction" was wrong anyway. however. it ought to be possible to replace the switches in a line6 stompbox with just about anything that can manage a simple, relatively bounce-free contact closure. the tricky bit will be to find something that fits and looks nice. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38C00.EC5BE580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: electrix repeater wanted
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after the violence of that last exchange..... do people come at their e-mails after a few beers or something? unexpected belligerence, and the grammar "correction" was wrong anyway.
 
however. it ought to be possible to replace the switches in a line6 stompbox with just about anything that can manage a simple, relatively bounce-free contact closure. the tricky bit will be to find something that fits and looks nice.
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38C00.EC5BE580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 10:27:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96ENIr22248; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.ff848d2.2cb2d4c5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:23:01 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS OC2 pedal query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/6/03 4:18:04 AM, testtubemicro@hotmail.com writes: << any thoughts on where to go from her? >> I have not used the OC2 but I have noticed that some pedals (not only Boss) seem to act as attenuators and need a preamp to boost the signal. Also some pedals will quickly drain or will not work as well if the battery is even at 3/4 power, but will work ok with wall wart. Of course that particular pedal may simply be phucked. Maybe someone who has used one will respond or perhaps you could go to local music shop and test one there. regards BobC visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 12:21:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96GGCu11425; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F81655C.1050807@accord.it> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:51:40 +0500 From: cristian cascetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: How do you approach looping composition? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy. In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I started being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in Bass Player magazine about Bill Laswell. At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect mix between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping and the discussion about technical aspects. Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website and this helped me to decide to buy an akay headrush and trying to become a looping bassist. My actual gear is: Basses: Fender Mexican Jazz Bass Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass '71 Gibson EB-2 Washburn AB-20 defretted My effect chain is: Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive -> Akai Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recording unit). I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me so hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate on the musical and conceptual aspects of looping. After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself and my gear), this is my question: How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass looping busking. When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing up everything. I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some suggestions from you experienced loopers. cristian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 12:50:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96GjnQ15657; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:45:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:45:17 EDT Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome, Cristian! Of course, every composer approaches the act of composition differently; you seem to have the drive and will to discover and develop your own thing (these are the most important ingredients!) I would say continue what you are doing- frustration is a great teacher. Try everything you can think of. Get yourself to the ultimate edge of frustration, then step back, take a break, do some deep breathing exercises in a quiet place, a park or forest might be good... 8^) step back, surrender what you have been doing, and I'd bet that the Next Idea will appear, if you can still the mind enough to hear it. Above all, remember that everything you need already exists inside you- outside inspirations and examples of others' success are only pointers to the infinite power that exists inside you at the deepest levels. Also, adding a second looping device would probably take your mind into areas you wouldn't normally think of... Stay with it!!! Best, Tim In a message dated 10/6/03 9:18:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cristian@accord.it writes: > Hello, > > It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months > ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: > > I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy. > > In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I started > being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in Bass Player > magazine about Bill Laswell. > > At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect mix > between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping and > the discussion about technical aspects. > > Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website > and this helped me to decide to buy an akay headrush and trying to > become a looping bassist. > > My actual gear is: > > Basses: > Fender Mexican Jazz Bass > Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass > '71 Gibson EB-2 > Washburn AB-20 defretted > > My effect chain is: > > Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive -> Akai > Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recording > unit). > > I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me so > hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate on > the musical and conceptual aspects of looping. > > After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself > and my gear), this is my question: > > How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some > composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass > looping busking. > > When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I > add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing > up everything. > > I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose > the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to > answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part > producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. > > I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some > suggestions from you experienced loopers. > > cristian > > > --part1_199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome, Cristian!

Of course, every composer approaches the act of composition differently; you= seem to have the drive and will to discover and develop your own thing (the= se are the most important ingredients!)

I would say continue what you are doing- frustration is a great teacher. Try= everything you can think of. Get yourself to the ultimate edge of frustrati= on, then step back, take a break, do some deep breathing exercises in a quie= t place, a park or  forest might be good... 8^) step back, surrender wh= at you have been doing, and I'd bet that the Next Idea will appear, if you c= an still the mind enough to hear it.

Above all, remember that everything you need already exists inside you- outs= ide inspirations and examples of others' success are only pointers to the in= finite power that exists inside you at the deepest levels.

Also, adding a second looping device would probably take your mind into area= s you wouldn't normally think of...

Stay with it!!!

Best,

Tim



In a message dated 10/6/03 9:18:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cristian@accord= .it writes:

Hello,

It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months
ago), so I'd like to introduce myself:

I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy.

In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I started being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in Bass Player
magazine about Bill Laswell.

At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect mix
between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping and
the discussion about technical aspects.

Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website
and this helped me to decide  to buy  an akay headrush  and t= rying to
become a looping bassist.

My actual gear is:

Basses:
Fender Mexican Jazz Bass
Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass
'71 Gibson EB-2
Washburn AB-20 defretted

My effect chain is:

Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive ->= Akai
Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recordi= ng
unit).

I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me so
hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate on
the musical and conceptual aspects of looping.

After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself
and my gear), this is my question:

How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some
composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass
looping busking.

When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I
add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing
up everything.

I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose
the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to
answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part
producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play.

I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some
suggestions from you experienced loopers.

cristian




 --part1_199.20a2d5af.2cb2f61d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 12:55:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96GnN116570; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:49:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:49:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:49:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcOLz95ESF4gMMBYRumvAmWYjLog3wAWeMNA In-Reply-To: <0DE770D6-F7C3-11D7-8F49-0003930352D6@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h96GnNU16546 Resent-Message-ID: <-6TYJB.A.xCE.T0Zg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yawn :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] :::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) ::: :::Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone :::miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the :::mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! ::: :::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even :::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. Hello! Is :::anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was poking :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) He's :::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be :::fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right. :::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his "featured :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events :::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I just find :::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when the :::only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? ::: :::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a :::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not :::understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not dim :::like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming :::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought Terry :::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and probably :::half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was :::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to :::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be :::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. ::: :::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this list!) :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album: ::: :::Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all. Needs :::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. Better yet, :::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that :::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a crap :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. ::: :::Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of that :::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. I'm not :::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it :::either. ::: :::So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my instincts :::and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! ::: ::: :::Cheerio! ::: :::Mark Sottilaro :::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: ::: :::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, :::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes: :::> :::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot?  I was trying to interject a little :::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor.  Don't waste :::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. :::> :::> Mark Sottilaro :::> :::> :::> :::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine :::> in ANY way. Go back to your  one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can :::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. :::> :::> Yawn :::> :::> Tim ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 13:12:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96H9V521110; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:09:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F81A347.6000301@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:15:51 -0700 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? References: <3F81655C.1050807@accord.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Christian, My 1st Cd "Bassapes" was pretty much layering and reverse on a Boomerang.(This was before I discovered this list the Echoplex and the work of Daved Torn and Jeff Pearce).I think that Steve Lawson and Max Valentino are bassists who are masters of this approach.In this mode I find it helpful to think in terms of parts;chordal,melody,percussive and to "start" pieces from diffrant places/parts .It's fine to have 3 basslines in the same piece but think of it as another bassist once it enters the looper so as not to compete for space. Busking can help alot.Nothing lets me know how much music is already happening on the looper as much as stopping the adding of parts to make change or talk to someone :) Reviews of my work can be seen at http://www.bassinside.com/2003/april/cdreview.htm http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70308201453&sql=Ac098s31wa3mg cristian cascetta wrote: > Hello, > > It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months > ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: > > I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy. > > In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I > started being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in > Bass Player magazine about Bill Laswell. > > At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect > mix between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping > and the discussion about technical aspects. > > Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website > and this helped me to decide to buy an akay headrush and trying to > become a looping bassist. > > My actual gear is: > > Basses: > Fender Mexican Jazz Bass > Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass > '71 Gibson EB-2 > Washburn AB-20 defretted > > My effect chain is: > > Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive -> Akai > Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recording > unit). > > I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me > so hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate > on the musical and conceptual aspects of looping. > > After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself > and my gear), this is my question: > > How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some > composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass > looping busking. > > When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I > add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and > messing up everything. > > I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose > the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to > answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part > producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. > > I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some > suggestions from you experienced loopers. > > cristian > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 13:23:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96HIT422954; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:18:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:18:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email. WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" Sottilaro seems to be right behind it. Maybe you think you are funny. Maybe some others think you are funny. I think you have a very big problem, and I don't give a shit what you think about me, looping, music, or anything at all. I think you are a very big Prima Donna, probably into music for all the wrong reasons. Anyway you slice it, I don't want to know you, hear what you have to say about anything, and most of all I wouldn't have your music in my ears, at any cost. Now, THAT's community! Usually it's the "list moderator" 's job to reel in assholes like you, Mark, but as we all know, Kim thrives on conflict, and likes to see bad vibes loop around the knuckleheads. That's his perogative- it's his list. I don't think you are funny at all. I think you are very sad. Ok folks, begin hurling bricks at me now... Tim F PS Kim- are you enjoying this? PPS Mark- I meant it- filter me out of your email (if I don't unsub) In a message dated 10/6/03 9:50:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: > yawn > > :::-----Original Message----- > :::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > :::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > :::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) > ::: > :::Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone > :::miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the > :::mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! > ::: > :::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even > :::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. Hello! Is > :::anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't > :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was poking > :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) He's > :::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be > :::fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has > :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right. > :::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his "featured > :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events > :::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I just find > :::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when the > :::only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not > :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? > ::: > :::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a > :::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not > :::understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not dim > :::like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming > :::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought Terry > :::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and probably > :::half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was > :::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to > :::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be > :::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. > ::: > :::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this list!) > :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album: > ::: > :::Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all. Needs > :::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. Better yet, > :::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that > :::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a crap > :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. > ::: > :::Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of that > :::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. I'm not > :::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it > :::either. > ::: > :::So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and > :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my instincts > :::and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! > ::: > ::: > :::Cheerio! > ::: > :::Mark Sottilaro > :::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > ::: > :::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > :::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > :::> > :::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a little > :::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. Don't waste > :::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter. > :::> > :::> Mark Sottilaro > :::> > :::> > :::> > :::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric > :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine > :::> in ANY way. Go back to your one "man" looping festival. Maybe you can > :::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. > :::> > :::> Yawn > :::> > :::> Tim > ::: > ::: > > > > --part1_95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email.
WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" Sottilaro see= ms to be right behind it. Maybe you think you are funny. Maybe some others t= hink you are funny. I think you have a very big problem, and I don't give a=20= shit what you think about me, looping, music, or anything at all.
I think you are a very big Prima Donna, probably into music for all the wron= g reasons.
Anyway you slice it, I don't want to know you, hear what you have to say abo= ut anything, and most of all I wouldn't have your music in my ears, at any c= ost.
Now, THAT's community!

Usually it's the "list moderator" 's job to reel in assholes like you, Mark,= but as we all know, Kim thrives on conflict, and likes to see bad vibes loo= p around the knuckleheads. That's his perogative- it's his list.

I don't think you are funny at all. I think you are very sad.

Ok folks, begin hurling bricks at me now...

Tim F

PS Kim- are you enjoying this?

PPS Mark- I meant it- filter me out of your email (if I don't unsub)

In a message dated 10/6/03 9:50:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thete= ntacle.org writes:

yawn

:::-----Original Message-----
:::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
:::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM
:::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
:::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted)
:::
:::Sigh.  You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone
:::miserable.  I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the=
:::mean, but boy was I wrong!  Should I spell it out?  OK!
:::
:::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even
:::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO.  Hello!&n= bsp; Is
:::anyone awake?  TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!?  If you weren't :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was poking :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend)  He'= s
:::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be
:::fine.  Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right.
:::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his "featured :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events
:::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much.  I just f= ind
:::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when the :::only audience to these events are the people playing them.  Why not<= BR> :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it?
:::
:::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a
:::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not
:::understanding me anyway.  I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not d= im
:::like yourself.  In case you haven't notice from my charming
:::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques.  Frankly, I thought Terry=
:::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and probably :::half the ego.  I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was=
:::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to
:::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique."  Bah.  I'd= be
:::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week.
:::
:::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this list!) :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album:
:::
:::Unlistenable.  The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all.&nbs= p; Needs
:::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome.  Better y= et,
:::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that
:::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a crap :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product.
:::
:::Man that felt good!  If I had to read one more steller review of tha= t
:::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke.  I'm=20= not
:::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it
:::either.
:::
:::So that's that.  The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my instincts :::and stayed unsubscribed.  I don't have the disposition for it. LOL!<= BR> :::
:::
:::Cheerio!
:::
:::Mark Sottilaro
:::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote:
:::
:::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
:::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes:
:::>
:::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot?  I was trying to interject a=20= little
:::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor.  Don= 't waste
:::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore filter.=
:::>
:::> Mark Sottilaro
:::>
:::>
:::>
:::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in mine=
:::> in ANY way. Go back to your  one "man" looping festival. Maybe=20= you can
:::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. :::>
:::> Yawn
:::>
:::> Tim
:::
:::





 --part1_95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 14:58:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96It3I09599; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:55:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bridge burning - moderation Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:54:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 18:54:57.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[56103E10:01C38C3B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would tend to agree with Tim's assessment that this list lacks moderation. LD is a very uncomfortable place to be for people just looking for informative and/or entertaining discussion. I suspect many people, like me, stay on and try to tune out or ignore the flare-ups - or unsubscribe. (I'm not talking about the "passionate yet informative" contributions, just the really senseless and irrelevant ones). I think it would be nice to have just a little bit of moderation. Best, Nic >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:17:12 EDT > >Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email. >WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" Sottilaro >seems to be right behind it. Maybe you think you are funny. Maybe some >others >think you are funny. I think you have a very big problem, and I don't give >a shit >what you think about me, looping, music, or anything at all. >I think you are a very big Prima Donna, probably into music for all the >wrong >reasons. >Anyway you slice it, I don't want to know you, hear what you have to say >about anything, and most of all I wouldn't have your music in my ears, at >any >cost. >Now, THAT's community! > >Usually it's the "list moderator" 's job to reel in assholes like you, >Mark, >but as we all know, Kim thrives on conflict, and likes to see bad vibes >loop >around the knuckleheads. That's his perogative- it's his list. > >I don't think you are funny at all. I think you are very sad. > >Ok folks, begin hurling bricks at me now... > >Tim F > >PS Kim- are you enjoying this? > >PPS Mark- I meant it- filter me out of your email (if I don't unsub) > >In a message dated 10/6/03 9:50:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: > > > yawn > > > > :::-----Original Message----- > > :::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > :::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM > > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > :::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) > > ::: > > :::Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone > > :::miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than the > > :::mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! > > ::: > > :::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and even > > :::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. Hello! >Is > > :::anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't > > :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was >poking > > :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) He's > > :::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be > > :::fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has > > :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm right. > > :::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his >"featured > > :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory events > > :::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I just >find > > :::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status when >the > > :::only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not > > :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? > > ::: > > :::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow do a > > :::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not > > :::understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just not >dim > > :::like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming > > :::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought Terry > > :::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and >probably > > :::half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he was > > :::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it seems to > > :::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be > > :::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. > > ::: > > :::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this >list!) > > :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last album: > > ::: > > :::Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at all. >Needs > > :::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. Better >yet, > > :::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that > > :::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives a >crap > > :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. > > ::: > > :::Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of that > > :::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. I'm >not > > :::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it > > :::either. > > ::: > > :::So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and > > :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my >instincts > > :::and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! > > ::: > > ::: > > :::Cheerio! > > ::: > > :::Mark Sottilaro > > :::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > > ::: > > :::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > :::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > :::> > > :::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a >little > > :::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. Don't >waste > > :::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore >filter. > > :::> > > :::> Mark Sottilaro > > :::> > > :::> > > :::> > > :::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your egocentric > > :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved in >mine > > :::> in ANY way. Go back to your one "man" looping festival. Maybe you >can > > :::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO LOOP'. > > :::> > > :::> Yawn > > :::> > > :::> Tim > > ::: > > ::: > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 15:17:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96JBeS13591; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c38c3d$ac0665e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3F81655C.1050807@accord.it> Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:11:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.131.21] at Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:11:32 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My best advice to you is to learn what works in bass looping composition by doing it: 1) try looping for one hour every day 2) record each looping session from the beginning to the end -- NOT just the "good bits" 3) let the recording sit for 24hrs before you listen to it 4) loop (and record) the next day keeping in mind the things you felt worked and didn't work from your earlier recordings/sessions. After one month of this, you'll have learned many things, including the fact that what seems like a bad idea on Day 1 sounds actually quite cool on Day 2 :-) Good luck David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristian cascetta" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:51 AM Subject: How do you approach looping composition? > Hello, > > It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months > ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: > > I'm a (non professional) bassist from Milan, Italy. > > In the last 9 years I played mostly blues and rock-blues, then I started > being interested in ambient dub after reading an article in Bass Player > magazine about Bill Laswell. > > At the same time I found loopers-delight, I appreciated the perfect mix > between the importance given to the conceptual aspects of looping and > the discussion about technical aspects. > > Looking for looping bassists I found Steve Lawson's incredible website > and this helped me to decide to buy an akay headrush and trying to > become a looping bassist. > > My actual gear is: > > Basses: > Fender Mexican Jazz Bass > Laurus (an Italian Luthier) Stylist 4 string Bass > '71 Gibson EB-2 > Washburn AB-20 defretted > > My effect chain is: > > Bass -> EBS BassIQ -> Tech21 Bass Compactor -> EBS Multidrive -> Akai > Headrush -> Rolls DI -> Behringer Mixer -> IBM Thinkpad (as recording > unit). > > I never used any looping device live, but the looping concept hit me so > hard I decided to give up my actual rock-blues band and concentrate on > the musical and conceptual aspects of looping. > > After this (long) presentation (I couldn't resist talking about myself > and my gear), this is my question: > > How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some > composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass > looping busking. > > When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I > add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing > up everything. > > I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose > the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to > answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent part > producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. > > I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some > suggestions from you experienced loopers. > > cristian > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 15:23:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96JF8F14276; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:15:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:15:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.17.250] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:14:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 19:14:55.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[206B74C0:01C38C3E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, Scott, for the very nice compliment! In regards to composition with loops, one must consider just what you want/need to do with the loop, when and how. I have been giving all of this a lot of attention lately in my own work. For me, the challenge has been to make the "loopage" more interactive with the real time playing. One very cool aspect of the LD list,is the interchange bewteen players. It seems all of us use different approaches to looping/performance/composition, of which the techniques, tips and tricks we are all quite welcome, even eager, to share with others. This allows for a great deal of mutual influences and cross-pollination, so to speak. I have noticed a few things about we loopists and how we work. There are some of us who pile up fx and processing before the loop and make each "layer" have it's own sonic signature, allowing it to standout from the other layers. In this aspect, it is much like multi-track recording, and is very much an additive approach in which our "box" is contiually being filled until it can simply hold no more. Perhaps, Christian, this is one dilemma you have encountered with your own looping. Of course, the only remedy to this is to know when to stop adding to the loop. At thast point it may be creative to begin subtracting from the loop, peeling away layers before constructing new ones. There are also some on this list who prefer to process, or "treat" the loops themselves; often referred to here as "mangling". In some ways this helps to alieviate the "filling up the box" syndrome, as with this technique the loopist needs to pay attention to what has already been recorded, and how that is been effected by any treatments. For instrance, running a loop thru a filter device can drastically change the sonic foundation and "flow" of a piece, taking it along an entirely new tangent. This approach can seem to subtractive, as the player is, at times, filtering out bits of sound, or, at very least, "evolving", mutating, or re-constructing an recorded (and looped) event. Of course, there are those who do both of the above. Again, the key to a well-looped performance is knowing when to stop adding to a loop, when to treat, or stop treating, when to "undo"..etc. And, that just comes with hours and hours of practice, and paying attention to oine's own creative flow. In both cases here, there is a tendancy to create a loop and let it run, with all the varied, "added" parts, for the length of a piece. For my own compositons, of late, I have been working with loops which I "fly" in and out of a piece, adding color and texture, rather than being a static event which I add to or play over. Having the ability to run multiple loops in parallel means I can fade in and out short loops to add color/contrast, density, accompaniment, and texture to a solo bass piece. I can "remove" them from the piece, and yet bring them back at a different point in the performance to provide a sense of continuity. This makes the "loop" interactive with my own playing, and hopefully, when done right, it is seamless enough to not stand out from the rest of the "played" performance ( in what the audience may percieve as "canned"). Again, this is considering how you use a loop, as well as when, and where the loop is used. Recording a loop, rhythmic or harmonic, layering a buch of stuff over it, and playing over that, while being the "direction" many of us started taking when we first entered into looping, hardly makes use of the potential of "live-looping" (yet again, it is one approach which is certainly viable....if only a "one-dimensional" approach, and again, knowing when to stop adding to the loop will make it more "musical", knowing when to peel away layers of the loop could help make this approach more two-dimensional). Then there is the LaFosse-school, where the players actually "plays" the loop. Andre actually eschews any fx processing in his gtr-EDP-amp signal chain, but his ability to "play" the EDP, carving up , slicing and dicing, his gtr loops, creates something totally unique and wonderful, and is a rather original way of "composing" with loops. Although I do not use an EDP, Andre's work, and his techniques of working with a loop (rather than merely to it), has had a tremedous influence on my own concepts of "composing" with loops. This "interactive-ness" allows the tool (looping device) to become an instrument in its' own right, and leads to countless possibilities of re-structuring both sound and the form of a composition. Max >From: Scott Kungha Drengsen > >Hello Christian, >My 1st Cd "Bassapes" was pretty much layering and reverse on a >Boomerang.(This was before I discovered this list the Echoplex and the work >of Daved Torn and Jeff Pearce).I think that Steve Lawson and Max Valentino >are bassists who are masters of this approach. >> >cristian cascetta wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 months >>ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: >> >> >>How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some >>composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass looping >>busking. >> >>When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then I add >>some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and messing up >>everything. >> >>I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I lose the >>musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I tend to answer and >>react to the loops I create filling every silent part producing a strong >>anxiety impression in what I play. >> >>I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some >>suggestions from you experienced loopers. >> >>cristian _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 15:32:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96JSxB17715; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:28:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:28:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031006192857.76410.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: Re: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006701c38a73$1005e600$6462f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1640781592-1065468537=:76258" Resent-Message-ID: <9HU5dC.A.tUE.7Jcg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1640781592-1065468537=:76258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looks great, Rick! Thanks for all your hard work. It was good to meet you this weekend. See you soon, Joe Balestreri "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: Hi everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did not want to post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down. This is the schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Participants please send me confirmation that you have recieved this information ASAP, please...................and thank you. The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling changes. Both JHNO and Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment (Aaron's brother was in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that disrupted everything and I still don't know why JHNO didn't play). Luckily, Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky to do two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg and with Zoe..............I had the best time and now I feel like I can put the Dayglo Green mega-piece to bed for a while. Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for hosting us and for being so supportive of the fringe musical arts in San Francisco.!!! yours, Rick Walker THE Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL featuring 32 continuous live looping performances by artists from all over the United States and California with special guest artist: GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, UK) \\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th, 11th and 12th/////// Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) 1100 Soque Avenue, Santa Cruz, California admission: $10/day $20/three day pass no one turned away for lack of funds Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL FULL SCHEDULE: Friday Night, October 10th "NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS" 8:00 p.m. MIKE BIFFLE (Miko B) 8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS 9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG 9:30 p.m. TED KILLIAN 10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED ARTIST) Saturday Afternoon, October 11th 1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST) 2:30 p.m. DARYAIE KOOROSH 3:00 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO 3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE 4:00 p.m. RICK WALKER 4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON 5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER 5:30 p.m. TIMOTHY CROWE Saturday Night, October 11th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith) 8:30 p.m. WAYNE JACKSON 9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN 9:30 p.m. MAX VALENTINO 10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED ARTIST) Sunday afternoon, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie status) 2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR 3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary Lehman) 3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE 4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan Card) 4:30 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON 5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri) 5:30 p.m. JOHN WHOOLEY Sunday evening, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA 8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO (FEATURED ARTIST) 9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST 9:30 p.m. JIMMY GEORGE 10:00 p.m. Loop.pooL ************************************************************************** for more information and interview requests and journalistic enquiries contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter) 831-425-8659 rickwalker@looppool.info _______________________________________________________ Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Looks great, Rick!  Thanks for all your hard work.  It was good to meet you this weekend.  See you soon,
Joe Balestreri

"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Hi everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did not
want to
post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down.
This is the schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday and
Sunday.

Participants please send me confirmation that you have recieved this
information ASAP, please...................and thank you.

The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling changes. Both JHNO and
Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment
(Aaron's brother was in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that
disrupted everything and I still don't know why
JHNO didn't play).

Luckily, Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky to
do two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg
and with Zoe..............I had the best time and now I feel like I can put
the Dayglo Green mega-piece to bed for a while.

Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for hosting us and for being so supportive of
the fringe musical arts in San Francisco.!!!
yours, Rick Walker




THE Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL
featuring 32 continuous live looping performances by
artists from all over the United States and California

with special guest artist:
GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, UK)

\\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th, 11th and 12th///////
Cayuga Vault
(www.cayugavault.com)
1100 Soque Avenue, Santa Cruz, California

admission: $10/day $20/three day pass
no one turned away for lack of funds



Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL
FULL SCHEDULE:

Friday Night, October 10th
"NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS"

8:00 p.m. MIKE BIFFLE (Miko B)
8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS
9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG
9:30 p.m. TED KILLIAN
10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED ARTIST)


Saturday Afternoon, October 11th
1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL

2:00 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST)
2:30 p.m. DARYAIE KOOROSH
3:00 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO
3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE
4:00 p.m. RICK WALKER
4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON
5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER
5:30 p.m. TIMOTHY CROWE

Saturday Night, October 11th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL

8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith)
8:30 p.m. WAYNE JACKSON
9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN
9:30 p.m. MAX VALENTINO
10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED ARTIST)

Sunday afternoon, October 12th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL

2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie status)
2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR
3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary Lehman)
3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE
4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan Card)
4:30 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON
5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri)
5:30 p.m. JOHN WHOOLEY
Sunday evening, October 12th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL

8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA
8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO (FEATURED ARTIST)
9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST
9:30 p.m. JIMMY GEORGE
10:00 p.m. Loop.pooL

**************************************************************************

for more information and interview requests and journalistic enquiries

contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter) 831-425-8659
rickwalker@looppool.info








_______________________________________________________
Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us!

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1640781592-1065468537=:76258-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 15:50:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96JkRW22542; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F81C6AB.7020409@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:46:51 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com Organization: Rosewoodblues LTD. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bridge burning - moderation References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW, i just went through this thread. on the outside chance that someone else is trying to get something from this list. i think i should remind everyone here that music is what it is! as different as the air particles that fill our lungs. life is too short to be swept up in anger. come on guys, can't we all just get along. take a breath (or a toke, if that is your bag) and find a center. maybe a nice lithium pill will help out :) 2 cents, ken; Nic Roozeboom wrote: > I would tend to agree with Tim's assessment that this list lacks > moderation. LD is a very uncomfortable place to be for people just > looking for informative and/or entertaining discussion. I suspect many > people, like me, stay on and try to tune out or ignore the flare-ups - > or unsubscribe. (I'm not talking about the "passionate yet > informative" contributions, just the really senseless and irrelevant > ones). I think it would be nice to have just a little bit of moderation. > > Best, > Nic > > >> From: Fsksync@aol.com >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) >> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:17:12 EDT >> >> Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email. >> WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" Sottilaro >> seems to be right behind it. Maybe you think you are funny. Maybe >> some others >> think you are funny. I think you have a very big problem, and I don't >> give a shit >> what you think about me, looping, music, or anything at all. >> I think you are a very big Prima Donna, probably into music for all >> the wrong >> reasons. >> Anyway you slice it, I don't want to know you, hear what you have to say >> about anything, and most of all I wouldn't have your music in my >> ears, at any >> cost. >> Now, THAT's community! >> >> Usually it's the "list moderator" 's job to reel in assholes like >> you, Mark, >> but as we all know, Kim thrives on conflict, and likes to see bad >> vibes loop >> around the knuckleheads. That's his perogative- it's his list. >> >> I don't think you are funny at all. I think you are very sad. >> >> Ok folks, begin hurling bricks at me now... >> >> Tim F >> >> PS Kim- are you enjoying this? >> >> PPS Mark- I meant it- filter me out of your email (if I don't unsub) >> >> In a message dated 10/6/03 9:50:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: >> >> > yawn >> > >> > :::-----Original Message----- >> > :::From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >> > :::Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:05 PM >> > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > :::Subject: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) >> > ::: >> > :::Sigh. You can't make everyone happy, but you can make everyone >> > :::miserable. I thought the intelligence here would be higher than >> the >> > :::mean, but boy was I wrong! Should I spell it out? OK! >> > ::: >> > :::Calling your gig with another looping musician a "Loopfest" and >> even >> > :::more gall enhanced, "First Loopfest EVER" now that is EGO. >> Hello! Is >> > :::anyone awake? TAP TAP TAP IS THIS THING ON!? If you weren't >> > :::borderline retarded, you'd realize that my one man loopfest was >> poking >> > :::fun at The GREAT RICK WALKER (who I actually consider a friend) >> He's >> > :::got quite a healthy ego, so I thought a little poke at it would be >> > :::fine. Since he doesn't seem to be the least bit offended, and has >> > :::actually been corresponding with me off list, I'll assume I'm >> right. >> > :::If I'm wrong, I guess it doesn't matter as I'm not one of his >> "featured >> > :::performers" and frankly the back-patting, self-congratulatory >> events >> > :::that loopfests actually are don't really interest me much. I >> just find >> > :::it weird that you'd elevate some artists to "featured" status >> when the >> > :::only audience to these events are the people playing them. Why not >> > :::just say, "good performer" and "filler" and be done with it? >> > ::: >> > :::OK, I'm tired of typing, and realize that unless I could somehow >> do a >> > :::"Flowers for Algernon" type of enhancement on you, you're not >> > :::understanding me anyway. I don't have a big ego Tim, I'm just >> not dim >> > :::like yourself. In case you haven't notice from my charming >> > :::personality, I'm not one to be in cliques. Frankly, I thought >> Terry >> > :::was a cool guy and was twice the musician most of you are and >> probably >> > :::half the ego. I was a bit sad when he was driven off because he >> was >> > :::trying to promote himself, yet when others do much worse, it >> seems to >> > :::go unnoticed because they're in "the looper clique." Bah. I'd be >> > :::humbled to do a show with him any day of the week. >> > ::: >> > :::And for my final bridge burning moment (boy am I done with this >> list!) >> > :::I'm going to finish it with a little review of Matthais' last >> album: >> > ::: >> > :::Unlistenable. The man has absolutely no sense of rhythm at >> all. Needs >> > :::to knock off the ganja and spend a month with a metronome. >> Better yet, >> > :::drop the guitar for a while and work on a modern EDP and drop that >> > :::frustrated ex musician know-it-all Kim and get someone who gives >> a crap >> > :::to help you develop and market your (brilliant) product. >> > ::: >> > :::Man that felt good! If I had to read one more steller review of >> that >> > :::thrown together piece of crap (the album) I was going to puke. >> I'm not >> > :::saying I'm a great musician, but I'm not trying to get money for it >> > :::either. >> > ::: >> > :::So that's that. The LD list has mostly been a source of anger and >> > :::bewilderment to me for a while and I should have followed my >> instincts >> > :::and stayed unsubscribed. I don't have the disposition for it. LOL! >> > ::: >> > ::: >> > :::Cheerio! >> > ::: >> > :::Mark Sottilaro >> > :::On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >> > ::: >> > :::> In a message dated 10/4/03 10:36:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > :::> sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >> > :::> >> > :::> Ah, now who feels like the idiot? I was trying to interject a >> little >> > :::> humor but I always forget how few humans understand humor. >> Don't waste >> > :::> your time responding Jeff, you've made my illustrious ignore >> filter. >> > :::> >> > :::> Mark Sottilaro >> > :::> >> > :::> >> > :::> >> > :::> Add me to your filter, Mark, I've already filtered your >> egocentric >> > :::> displays. Life is too short to have people like you involved >> in mine >> > :::> in ANY way. Go back to your one "man" looping festival. Maybe >> you can >> > :::> get Terry Blankenship to open for you. You can call it "EGO >> LOOP'. >> > :::> >> > :::> Yawn >> > :::> >> > :::> Tim >> > ::: >> > ::: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it > now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 16:36:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96KWUm30911; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38C0E.46467800" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <20031006192857.76410.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 20:32:24.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[F317C0E0:01C38C48] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38C0E.46467800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If any of haven't seen Zoe Keating playing, you should. Rick is no slouch himself, either. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Joe Balestreri [mailto:metaman23@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE Looks great, Rick! Thanks for all your hard work. It was good to meet you this weekend. See you soon, Joe Balestreri "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: Hi everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did not want to post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down. This is the schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Participants please send me confirmation that you have recieved this information ASAP, please...................and thank you. The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling changes. Both JHNO and Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment (Aaron's brother was in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that disrupted everything and I still don't know why JHNO didn't play). Luckily, Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky to do two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg and with Zoe..............I had the best time and now I feel like I can put the Dayglo Green mega-piece to b! ed for a while. Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for hosting us and for being so supportive of the fringe musical arts in San Francisco.!!! yours, Rick Walker THE Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL featuring 32 continuous live looping performances by artists from all over the United States and California with special guest artist: GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, UK) \\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th, 11th and 12th/////// Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) 1100 Soque Avenue, Santa Cruz, California admission: $10/day $20/three day pass no one turned away for lack of funds Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL FULL SCHEDULE: Friday Night, October 10th "NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS" 8:00 p.m. MIKE BIFFLE (Miko B) 8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS 9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG 9:30 p.m. TED KILLIAN 10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED ARTIST) Saturday Afternoon, October 11th 1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST) 2:30 p.m. DARYAIE KOOROSH 3:00 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO 3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE 4:00 p.m. RICK WALKER 4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON 5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER 5:30 p.m. TIMOTHY CROWE Saturday Night, October 11th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith) 8:30 p.m. WAYNE JACKSON 9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN 9:30 p.m. MAX VALENTINO 10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED ARTIST) Sunday afternoon, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie status) 2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR 3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary Lehman) 3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE 4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan Card) 4:30 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON 5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri) 5:30 p.m. JOHN WHOOLEY Sunday evening, October 12th Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA 8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY FRESNO (FEATURED ARTIST) 9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST 9:30 p.m. JIMMY GEORGE 10:00 p.m. Loop.pooL ************************************************************************ ** for more information and interview requests and journalistic enquiries contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter) 831-425-8659 rickwalker@looppool.info _______________________________________________________ Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us! _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38C0E.46467800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
If any=20 of haven't seen Zoe Keating playing, you should. Rick is no slouch = himself,=20 either.
 
bIz
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe = Balestreri=20 [mailto:metaman23@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 = 12:29=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Y2K3 LOOPFEST FINAL SCHEDULE

Looks great, Rick!  Thanks for all your hard work.  It = was good=20 to meet you this weekend.  See you soon,
Joe Balestreri

"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL"=20 <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Hi=20 everyone, I have had a rash of last minute cancellations and did = not
want=20 to
post the Y2K3 schedule until everything settled down.
This = is the=20 schedule.............see you this coming Friday, Saturday=20 and
Sunday.

Participants please send me confirmation that = you have=20 recieved this
information ASAP, please...................and = thank=20 you.

The S.F. Live Looping Festival also had scheduling = changes. Both=20 JHNO and
Aaron Ximm cancelled at the last moment
(Aaron's = brother was=20 in a bad motorcycle accident a coupld of weeks ago that
disrupted = everything and I still don't know why
JHNO didn't = play).

Luckily,=20 Zoe and I had a lot of music to play and I also was really lucky = to
do=20 two great improvs with both Amy X Neuburg
and with = Zoe..............I had=20 the best time and now I feel like I can put
the Dayglo Green = mega-piece=20 to b! ed for a while.

Thanks to the 964 Natoma Space for = hosting us=20 and for being so supportive of
the fringe musical arts in San=20 Francisco.!!!
yours, Rick Walker




THE Y2K3 LIVE = LOOPING=20 FESTIVAL
featuring 32 continuous live looping performances = by
artists=20 from all over the United States and California

with special = guest=20 artist:
GARETH WHITTOCK (Swansea, Wales, = UK)

\\\\\\\OCTOBER 10th,=20 11th and 12th///////
Cayuga = Vault
(www.cayugavault.com)
1100 Soque=20 Avenue, Santa Cruz, California

admission: $10/day $20/three = day=20 pass
no one turned away for lack of funds



Y2K3 = LIVE=20 LOOPING FESTIVAL
FULL SCHEDULE:

Friday Night, October=20 10th
"NIGHT OF THE LOOPING GUITARISTS"

8:00 p.m. MIKE = BIFFLE (Miko=20 B)
8:30 p.m. DANIEL THOMAS
9:00 p.m. MARK HAMBURG
9:30 p.m. = TED=20 KILLIAN
10:00 p.m. BILL WALKER (FEATURED = ARTIST)


Saturday=20 Afternoon, October 11th
1st PERCUSSION LIVE LOOPING = FESTIVAL

2:00=20 p.m. AMY X NEUBURG (FEATURED ARTIST)
2:30 p.m. DARYAIE = KOOROSH
3:00=20 p.m. ANDRE CUSTODIO
3:30 p.m. WALLY SCHNALLE
4:00 p.m. RICK=20 WALKER
4:30 p.m. STEVE ROBERTSON
5:00 p.m. JON WAGNER
5:30 = p.m.=20 TIMOTHY CROWE

Saturday Night, October 11th
Y2K3 LIVE = LOOPING=20 FESTIVAL

8:00 p.m. DARK MUSE (Phyll Smith)
8:30 p.m. WAYNE = JACKSON
9:00 p.m. SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN
9:30 p.m. MAX=20 VALENTINO
10:00 p.m. GARETH WHITTOCK(Wales,UK) (FEATURED=20 ARTIST)

Sunday afternoon, October 12th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING=20 FESTIVAL

2:00 p.m. CRAIG McCOLLOUGH (honorary looping newbie=20 status)
2:30 p.m. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR
3:00 p.m. RELAY (Gary=20 Lehman)
3:30 p.m. STEVE RICE
4:00 p.m. STANITARIUM (Stan = Card)
4:30=20 p.m. MATT DAVIGNON
5:00 p.m. METAMAN (Joe Balestreri)
5:30 = p.m. JOHN=20 WHOOLEY
Sunday evening, October 12th
Y2K3 LIVE LOOPING=20 FESTIVAL

8:00 p.m. GARY REGINA
8:30 p.m. BRIAN KENNEY = FRESNO=20 (FEATURED ARTIST)
9:00 p.m. GEORGE DEMAREST
9:30 p.m. JIMMY=20 GEORGE
10:00 p.m.=20 = Loop.pooL

********************************************************= ******************

for=20 more information and interview requests and journalistic=20 enquiries

contact: Rick Walker (festival producer/promoter)=20 = 831-425-8659
rickwalker@looppool.info








_______________________________________________________
Check out my new live music project and = CD at=20 www.metaman.us!

Do you Yahoo!?
The=20 New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product=20 search
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C38C0E.46467800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 17:32:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96LL4J08689; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:21:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c38c4f$8ec84360$2761f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310061218.h96CIHm29817@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Rick Walker responds to Mark Sottilaro Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:19:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for the record: I really like Mark Sottilaro a lot. I value his presence on the list. I really like Kim Flint a lot. I value his presence (and reluctant leadership of this community) a lot. They both think I'm full of shit with this whole live looping thingee. It's really okay. I'm nor losing sleep over it, really (all though I am losing sleep or the rash of last minute cancellations and shedule changes for this weekends festivals.........lol) Mark and I will laugh and laugh the next time we get together. Shit, as of tonight, we'll both have blue hair...........along with Kim's purple ponytailed coder/mullet that makes us probably the only loopers on this list who have wierd hair colors. We're brothers in that respect at least.............and I really dug Marks' set at Loopstock and am really sad that he doesn't want to participate, but that's okay, too. I HAVE been oversensitive on this list about criticism of promoting the looping festivals and the live looping scene. In particular, I was really hurt at the time my mom died when Kim was so critical of the scene. But that is also okay. My working definition of intimacy is that we have the ability to share negativity with each other and can still be friends. It's okay. Not everybody gets a thrill out of playing our little, 'self congratulatory' live looping festivals. A lot do though, and it makes my year to attend Loopfest or the Y2K_ series. I've really forged some great friendships. As far as criticism goes, the way I see it, if you are doing something with all of your heart and you are really putting yourself out in the public eye, you are going to piss off, threaten, annoy and otherwise cause negative attention in a certain population. I've tried as much as possible to serve my community (or percieved community) with my efforts in the last five years here at Loopers Delight. Do I have an ego? Of course I do. Any musician who puts what they are doing out to the public has to have some ego.........otherwise you just sit in your bedroom never interacting with people. Do I care about trying hard to create a nurturing and supportive community that produces exciting events for people to play at and attend. You bet. Do I think that I"m God's gift to the looping world.........................FUCK NO!!!!!!! I just want to have places to play, exciting events to attend and a loving and supportive community to be a part of.............it's really that simple ************* Also, I wanted to say something that is very obvious to me about (and a few people just don't get) this whole '1st LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL strategy that I use (shamelessly, I have to admit). I have been a successful publicist for over 25 years in the music business. What I have learned is: Like a good pop song, you have to have a "hook" to get the journalists, radio DJs and the public interested in what you are doing: ESPECIALLY IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST conveniently in the traditional record store categories. Using this strategy has gotten our live looping scene a tremendous amount of press. By merely calling something what it is (and Mark, for the past four years, NOONE in San Francisco has put on a specific live looping festival to my knowledge, despite the really large number of excellent looping artists that reside in that city). It's a ploy to get established folks!!!!!! I'm surprised that so many critics of this strategy have never really looked at what it's purpose is forIt's also a great thing to put on a resume when one is trying to apply for other music festivals or for musical grants. Because a lot of people in this community are really striving to be innovative musically (including the wonderful Andre La Fosse who wants absolutely nothing to do with the live looping movement) we have to rely on festivals, grants and unusual gigs to get our asses out there. that's all that its' about: PUTTING IT OUT THERE. Creating something out of nothing. It takes courage and chutzpah to put something out to the world...............if you could see the excitement and nervousness of the newbies who play these festivals for the first time.....................you would realize that all the hype and all the arguments on the list and all the hours and all the money are well, well worth it. The next time you are critical of this process (which is okay by me) ask yourself this.......................when was the last time I played out.............when was the last time I released a CD........... Come participate if it floats your boat..................................boycott it if it floats your boat. I, myself, am planning to really enjoy myself this weekend because I will get to sit back and here a lot of courageous people express themselves creatively. Can that be such a bad thing? yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 17:44:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96LZJx11323; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031006213518.54657.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:35:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: Y2K3 loopfest carpool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings loopophiles. First of all, I'd like to apologize for a couple unintentional posts to the list, when I just hit 'reply' to messages. I'll be more careful, I promise! Second, I wanted to see if anyone wants to carpool from the east bay down to santa cruz for the loopfest this weekend. I'm playing on Sunday evening, and I'm planning on driving down saturday afternoon, probably coming back monday. I suppose I could come back sunday night if necessary, though. I'm going by myself, and I could either drive or be driven. Please reply off the list (don't follow my example :) Thanks, Joe B ===== _______________________________________________________ Check out my new live music project and CD at www.metaman.us! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 18:06:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96M3Di17165; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Female Looper Group Name Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:03:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031006213518.54657.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Loop Ho's Gary Always trying to thing of better group names From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 18:18:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96MA9e19254; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:10:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016a01c38c56$6ab92320$2761f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310061932.h96JWTD19345@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: conflict, anger and unsubscribing Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:08:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everybody, I get a little concerned when I here of people wanting to unsubscribe from this list whenever anger or fights erupt. These outbursts of negativity hurt me too, but there are several things we can do about it. Remember that you can filter out specific posters in your e-mail browser. If there is a particular person who gets your goat all the time...............just filter him/her out. we do this in real life.................we just avoid people who are negative or hurtful by not inviting them to our homes or parties.................. Instead of unscubscribing (because this list really is imperfect, just like any community of human beings anywhere)..................please remember that you lessen the community by refusing to pariticipate. the people who thrive on dissension, arguments, fighting, provocation and put downs of other artists really win that way. The other thing to remember is that when we are attacked, we do have to look at what we are doing. I've really had to reevaluate how much work I've put into the live looping scene because people have attacked me for my work. I feel at peace with what I"m doing and have pledged to myself to be a little more aware of people's egos because of the criticism............It's helped me, I think. We are a community.......................let's stay committed to being one, warts and all. yours, Rick ps Oh yeah, and why doesn't everyone who's really upset by all this write a really great and angry looping piece this week and put it on their next record. When I was in London for my first show, the band that I was opening for was really rude to me and didn't want to move their equipment; both of my main loopers suddenly started having problems, the venue producer was really spacey and not really helpful and I got really, really tweaked out and angry about all of it. At one point, I said to my wife, "I've never cancelled a show before because of my emotions, but I"m so angry that I"m not even sure if I should go on or not." She said, "why don't you perform angrily?" That stopped me in my tracks............lol..................I went out and did as angry a performance as I've ever done (and I used to play punk music back in the day when I was really an angry young man). I just raged at the audience (lol, in an instrumental way), Well, it fucking blew my mind: the audience LOVE IT!!!!! It was one of my better shows, I think. I think , in retrospect, that all audiences respect authenticity more than anything. To watch an incredibly repressed new age ambient musician playing softly and soothingly can make me want to jump out of my skin. By the same token, to see a rough and tough, angry industrial noise artist unable to ever express anything soft is also really unnerving and unsatisfying. just my two cents From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 19:19:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96NFgo30723; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:15:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F81F663.A66C2F62@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:10:27 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Andre LaFosse responds to Rick Walker responds to Mark Sottilaro References: <200310061218.h96CIHm29817@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f301c38c4f$8ec84360$2761f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks, "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Because a lot of people in this community are really striving to be > innovative musically (including the wonderful Andre La Fosse who wants > absolutely nothing to do with the live looping movement) we have to rely on > festivals, grants and unusual gigs to get our asses out there. Allow me to offer my own opinion as to what I do and don't want. If I can get a decent amount of time to do my thing as a solo looping artist, cool. If I can get the same amount of load-in, soundcheck, and tear-down time that I would get in a dive bar, wonderful. If I can get my music across to a new audience, awesome. If I can stand some chance of seeing some of the money people are paying in order to attend the gig I'm playing, hallelujiah! My experience, after having attended and performed at over half a dozen "looping gigs" in the last couple of years, is this: 1) I have never played as well at a "looping gig" as I have in regular venues like rock clubs or coffee shops (which is where my best solo shows have consistently happened, even when sandwiched between several other acts on the bill the same night) 2) I have never had as much time to play my Echoplex-intensive music at a "looping gig" as I have had at a "regular" gig 3) The tendency at every single "looping gig" I've seen or played at is towards sticking as many different artists on the bill as is humanly possible, and/or emphasizing duo and trio jamming over individual performance slots. This leads to the first two factors I've mentioned already. As you yourself are fond of saying, Rick, that's really OK. It seems like that's all a fundamental part of what you want to do. It's your brainchild, and you deserve to lead your community in whatever way you see fit. It's telling that you claim to find it impossible to do your thing in a conventional performance outlet, having to "rely on festivals, grants and unusual gigs." Whereas I have found it consistently difficult to do my thing well in any gig explicitly defined as a "live looping event." Fortunately for us both, you don't need to play regular places in order to get your music heard. And I definitely don't need to play a looping festival in order to get a gig. Different strokes for different folks... and different promotional strategies for different musicians with very, very little in common other than the presence of long delay units in their rigs. So no, Rick, contrary to your statement, I don't refuse to have anything to do with the "live looping movement." (Particularly since I still don't understand exactly what that is in the first place!) If someone can offer me a gig with the same basic length/set-up/pay terms that I can get at a dive bar on the Sunset Strip, then I'd be happy to seriously consider it, regardless of what they call themselves. But if those terms are more than live looping as a movement can accommodate, then clearly it's the wrong place for me to be. --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 19:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96Nd2f01979; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:39:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F81FD16.8020203@biink.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:39:02 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bridge burning (was Re: electrix repeater wanted) References: <95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <95.337aaed8.2cb2fd98@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7yoefB.A.ye.V0fg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > Whatever, Mark, or whoever relayed this email. > WHENEVER any bad vibes are on this list, Mr. Mark "look at me" > Sottilaro seems to be right behind it. Yep, what's up with that? Apparently he has some issues. I'm tired of his rants, don't care to see him rip on other people. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 19:57:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96NskD04787; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:54:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:54:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:54:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C490000F5C1@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h96NskU04765 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem pretty funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all somewhat silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or 'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and participating in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 22:52:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h972mlH02578; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ba.47c2005a.2cb38375_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ba.47c2005a.2cb38375_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any other list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago for his bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who I consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" and deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to continue, this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. Tim In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem pretty > funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all > somewhat > silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions > are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of > those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half > of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have > an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or > 'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should > include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the > person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's > ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again > in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and > participating > in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) > > peace > -cpr > > --part1_ba.47c2005a.2cb38375_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someon= e says "Fuck You!" to another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't=20= be tolerated on any other list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have b= een booted off long ago for his bullshit. And I believe this was the second=20= time he piled onto Jeff (who I consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you= should "pull your head out" and deal with reality here- as long as this kin= d of behavior is allowed to continue, this list is essentially Mark's, and n= ot the "community"'s (whatever that is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong make= s you wrong too.

Tim




In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.co= m writes:

Sorry if this seems way off, bu= t from the outside, you guys all seem pretty
funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all somewh= at
silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions=
are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of
those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or
'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should
include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the
person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's<= BR> ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again
in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and partici= pating
in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :)

peace
-cpr



 --part1_ba.47c2005a.2cb38375_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 6 23:06:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9733bS05773; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:03:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c38c7f$9a34e980$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:03:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C38C5E.129D0280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.151.145] at Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:03:29 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C38C5E.129D0280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just skip the boring scatological posts. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fsksync@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects = a scoobie snack Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" = to another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on = any other list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted = off long ago for his bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he = piled onto Jeff (who I consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you = should "pull your head out" and deal with reality here- as long as this = kind of behavior is allowed to continue, this list is essentially = Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that is). Wrong is wrong. = Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too.=20 Tim In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = cpr@musetrap.com writes: Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem = pretty funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's = all somewhat silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that = opinions are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for = victims of those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom = half of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I = have an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is = looping' or 'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) = should include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling = the person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, = "that's ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over = again in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and = participating in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) peace -cpr ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C38C5E.129D0280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just skip the boring scatological=20 posts.  
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fsksync@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 = 10:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: Chris Roberts = responds to=20 the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack

Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when = someone=20 says "Fuck You!" to another member that is a personal attack and = wouldn't be=20 tolerated on any other list I've ever been a member of. Mark would = have been=20 booted off long ago for his bullshit. And I believe this was the = second time=20 he piled onto Jeff (who I consider a friend) for no reason. Some of = you should=20 "pull your head out" and deal with reality here- as long as this kind = of=20 behavior is allowed to continue, this list is essentially Mark's, and = not the=20 "community"'s (whatever that is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes = you=20 wrong too.

Tim




In a message dated 10/6/03 = 4:57:34=20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes:

Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you = guys all=20 seem pretty
funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied = 'waaaaa's=20 it's all somewhat
silly when coming from adults... I think it's = best to=20 remember that opinions
are like assholes... everyone has one... = ok,=20 except maybe for victims of
those severe accidents which result = in the=20 loss of the entire bottom half
of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they = still can=20 have opinions... and, as I have
an opinion, I don't believe that = our=20 opinions about 'what is looping' or
'what gear is best' or = 'whether=20 someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should
include insults... is it = not=20 possible to disagree without belittling the
person(s) you = disagree with?=20 hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's
ok"... :) I hope = everyone=20 can adopt the advice given over and over again
in regards to = ignoring the=20 stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and participating
in the = stuff that=20 does... blah.. blah.. blah...=20 = :)

peace
-cpr



<= /FONT> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C38C5E.129D0280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 00:40:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h974bXR18663; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:37:32 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, sorry for this off topic post. i have an opportunity to snag an oberheim matrix 6r for $180. meanwhile i have an opportunity to buy a matrix 1000 and the access programmer for it for like $225 for the whole package. i'm divided on which i should go for, if either. i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. i know the matrix 6r will give me that sound. however, it is 4 rack spaces. i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. is it still a true analog synth?? does it sound as fat and warm?? and it costs a little more, too. i would hate to shell out money i don't have, and then not have that warm, fuzzy sound i fell in love with. anybody heard either or both of these? what would you go for? thanks for reading. feel free to email me privately so this OT stuff doesn't clog up the list. THANK YOU! loop on, dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 00:44:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h974ep519164; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:40:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:40:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:40:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Rick Walker responds to Mark Sottilaro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00f301c38c4f$8ec84360$2761f93f@global> Message-Id: <6BF36C41-F880-11D7-949F-000393BAA0F6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [162.84.238.246] at Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:40:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have a great festival rick! new york is COLD...!! On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > for the record: > > I really like Mark Sottilaro a lot. I value his presence on the list. > I really like Kim Flint a lot. I value his presence (and reluctant > leadership of this community) a lot. > > They both think I'm full of shit with this whole live looping thingee. > > It's really okay. I'm nor losing sleep over it, really (all though I > am > losing sleep or the rash of last minute > cancellations and shedule changes for this weekends > festivals.........lol) > > Mark and I will laugh and laugh the next time we get together. > Shit, as > of tonight, we'll > both have blue hair...........along with Kim's purple ponytailed > coder/mullet that makes us probably the only > loopers on this list who have wierd hair colors. We're brothers in > that > respect at least.............and I really dug > Marks' set at Loopstock and am really sad that he doesn't want to > participate, but that's okay, too. > > I HAVE been oversensitive on this list about criticism of promoting the > looping festivals and the live looping scene. > In particular, I was really hurt at the time my mom died when Kim was > so > critical of the scene. > > But that is also okay. > > My working definition of intimacy is that we have the ability to share > negativity with each other > and can still be friends. It's okay. Not everybody gets a thrill > out of > playing our little, 'self congratulatory' > live looping festivals. A lot do though, and it makes my year to > attend > Loopfest or the Y2K_ series. I've really > forged some great friendships. > > As far as criticism goes, the way I see it, if you are doing > something with > all of your heart > and you are really putting yourself out in the public eye, you are > going to > piss off, threaten, annoy and otherwise > cause negative attention in a certain population. > > I've tried as much as possible to serve my community (or percieved > community) with my efforts in the last five years > here at Loopers Delight. > > Do I have an ego? Of course I do. Any musician who puts what they > are > doing out > to the public has to have some ego.........otherwise you just sit in > your > bedroom never interacting with people. > Do I care about trying hard to create a nurturing and supportive > community > that produces exciting events > for people to play at and attend. You bet. > > Do I think that I"m God's gift to the looping > world.........................FUCK NO!!!!!!! I just want to have > places > to play, exciting events to attend and a loving and supportive > community to > be a part of.............it's really that simple > > > ************* > > Also, I wanted to say something that is very obvious to me about (and > a few > people just don't get) this whole '1st LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL strategy > that > I use (shamelessly, I have to admit). > > I have been a successful publicist for over 25 years in the music > business. > What I have learned is: Like a good pop > song, you have to have a "hook" to get the journalists, radio DJs and > the > public interested in what you are doing: > ESPECIALLY IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST conveniently in the > traditional record store categories. > > Using this strategy has gotten our live looping scene a tremendous > amount of > press. By merely calling something what it is > (and Mark, for the past four years, NOONE in San Francisco has put on a > specific live looping festival to my knowledge, despite the > really large number of excellent looping artists that reside in that > city). > > It's a ploy to get established folks!!!!!! I'm surprised that so > many > critics of this strategy have never really looked at what it's purpose > is > forIt's also a great thing to put on a resume when one is trying to > apply > for other music festivals or for musical grants. > Because a lot of people in this community are really striving to be > innovative musically (including the wonderful Andre La Fosse who wants > absolutely nothing to do with the live looping movement) we have to > rely on > festivals, grants and unusual gigs to get our asses out there. > > that's all that its' about: PUTTING IT OUT THERE. Creating > something > out of nothing. > > > It takes courage and chutzpah to put something out to the > world...............if you could see the excitement and nervousness > of the > newbies who play these festivals for the first > time.....................you > would realize that all the hype and all the arguments on the list > and all the hours and all the money are well, well worth it. > > The next time you are critical of this process (which is okay by me) > ask > yourself this.......................when was the last time I played > out.............when was the last time I released a CD........... > > Come participate if it floats your > boat..................................boycott it if it floats your > boat. > > I, myself, am planning to really enjoy myself this weekend because I > will > get to sit back and here a lot of courageous people > express themselves creatively. > > Can that be such a bad thing? > > yours, Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 01:19:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h975Gpk24804; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c38c92$0726c100$0c63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310070444.h974i1j19719@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Rick responds to Andres response to Rick's response to Mark................LOL Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:15:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Andre, That is as clear as clear can be and duly noted for the future. Thankfully, by the way, in this area, all this loop festival nonsense (with it's inconvenient set up times) has generated a lot of publicity and has resulted in several corporate entertainment companies in the bay area opening up to the possibilities of live loop artists playing in the spots that have traditionally been reserved for jazz quartets (play 'girl from ipanema'). I've also been hired by 1st Night celebrations, musuems, coffee shops, art exhibits, private parties These are lucrative gigs and they have opened up because we did these festivals and got people in this area to pay attention to this 'new' thing. Of course, it's not new, but to the average listener it is wierd and exotic to see a musician clone themselves and then slice and dice it all up as an artform. Also, Bill and I opened for Michelle Shocked the other night because the promoters had heard of our loop festival exploits all the way in the Boston area. The festivals have their drawbacks, for sure...........but all big summer music festivals do. None of the big ones have times for soundchecks (including the ones that are very famous and pay a lot of money). the festivals then ....................1) create community solidarity ````````````````````````````````````````2) make artists feel supported (including artists just starting out) 3) create a lot of publicity which will help in the days to come 4) are a whole hell of a lot of fun, but not for everyone. I'm sad you don't play them and sad that all they are is frustrating for you...............but I accept that it's not your thing. By the way, your CD is really great...............I'm listening to it now. yours, respectfully , Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 01:40:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h975aLU27417; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <86969.1065504977516.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:36:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Blue Reply-To: Blue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rick responds to Andres response to Rick's response to Mark................LOL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, can you please help me understand how to stop the flow of the individual e-mails landing on my service. I think there is a way to have them come in on package. My dial up is so slow it is taking me forever to open my email program. Thanks, Blue -----Original Message----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" Sent: Oct 6, 2003 10:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rick responds to Andres response to Rick's response to Mark................LOL Dear Andre, That is as clear as clear can be and duly noted for the future. Thankfully, by the way, in this area, all this loop festival nonsense (with it's inconvenient set up times) has generated a lot of publicity and has resulted in several corporate entertainment companies in the bay area opening up to the possibilities of live loop artists playing in the spots that have traditionally been reserved for jazz quartets (play 'girl from ipanema'). I've also been hired by 1st Night celebrations, musuems, coffee shops, art exhibits, private parties These are lucrative gigs and they have opened up because we did these festivals and got people in this area to pay attention to this 'new' thing. Of course, it's not new, but to the average listener it is wierd and exotic to see a musician clone themselves and then slice and dice it all up as an artform. Also, Bill and I opened for Michelle Shocked the other night because the promoters had heard of our loop festival exploits all the way in the Boston area. The festivals have their drawbacks, for sure...........but all big summer music festivals do. None of the big ones have times for soundchecks (including the ones that are very famous and pay a lot of money). the festivals then ....................1) create community solidarity ````````````````````````````````````````2) make artists feel supported (including artists just starting out) 3) create a lot of publicity which will help in the days to come 4) are a whole hell of a lot of fun, but not for everyone. I'm sad you don't play them and sad that all they are is frustrating for you...............but I accept that it's not your thing. By the way, your CD is really great...............I'm listening to it now. yours, respectfully , Rick Blue From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 02:00:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h975ucH30079; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007001011.047fc250@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:55:08 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. Hi Dylan, First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo (MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times (although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but not nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds a little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. The 1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. The 6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the oscillators on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an overall sound that's a little more fat. Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the 6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my 1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and I've never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, you can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a single out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are six-voice polyphonic. As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to be sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's (and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement chips for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's easier to get replacement parts. Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them are actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. While you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with 1k of patches as your starting point. Hope that helps... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 02:55:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h976qUF05370; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:52:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:52:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:52:14 EDT Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed! Tim F In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes: > At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: > > >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, > >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > > > >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that > >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the > >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology > >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. > > Hi Dylan, > > First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo > (MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion > regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm > you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. > > I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times > (although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but not > nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds a > little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. The > 1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. The > 6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the oscillators > on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an > overall sound that's a little more fat. > > Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the > 6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' > version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide > version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my > 1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and I've > never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. > > To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you > to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, you > can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely > different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a single > out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it > using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are > six-voice polyphonic. > > As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes > up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to be > sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently > Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can > say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' > hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's > (and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long > as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the > field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement chips > for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used > by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's easier > to get replacement parts. > > Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to > start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them are > actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best > submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch > bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. While > you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a > bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. > > So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral > across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with 1k > of patches as your starting point. > > Hope that helps... > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > --part1_8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed!
Tim F



In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicl= e.net writes:

At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dy= lan wrote:

>i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm,
>the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want.
>
>i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that
>same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the
>same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology
>differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space.

Hi Dylan,

First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo
(MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com).  There's been a bunch of discussion regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value.

I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times
(although not directly head-to-head).  There are some differences, but=20= not
nearly as many as you'd expect.  General consensus is that the 6r sound= s a
little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. = The
1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's.  T= he
6r has separate crystals for each DCO.  Therefore, each of the oscillat= ors
on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an overall sound that's a little more fat.

Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the=20=
6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' version.  Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wid= e
version sounds very slightly better.  That said, I can tell you that my=
1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive.  I've had it for over a decade and=20= I've
never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department.

To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you=20=
to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs.  No,=20= you
can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely
different versions of the same patch.  The 1000 is only mono with a sin= gle
out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>).  Both devices=20= are
six-voice polyphonic.

As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u).  The 1000 is said t= o be
sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently
Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter.  I ca= n
say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's <= BR> (and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long <= BR> as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the
field).  Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement ch= ips
for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used=20=
by the 6r.  So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's ea= sier
to get replacement parts.

Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to start with -- 200 of which are user-editable.  And the majority of them= are
actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best
submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch
bank).  That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most.&nb= sp; While
you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips.

So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral <= BR> across two outs.  1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with=20= 1k
of patches as your starting point.

Hope that helps...

     -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
            &nbs= p;            -recoil=



--part1_8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 03:58:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h977tw313698; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:55:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:55:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a401c38ca8$397b92a0$bc3c5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT Gig Spam: Spock's Beard and Pinnacle at New Jersey Proghouse Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:54:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Esteemed listmates and fellow riff raff, My prog rock band Pinnacle has a very important gig (for us). Here's the official announcement. Cheers, Bill Fox Pinnacle Bassist and Promotions Pinnacle info@everything2xs.com http://everything2xs.com P.O. Box 632 Nazareth, Pennsylvania 18064-0632 Our new CD is called "A Man's Reach..." on Everything To Excess Records. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NJ Proghouse" Subject: Spocks Beard is coming to the proghouse series > Well folks when it rains it pours. > With tongue firmly planted in check I apologize for bringing so > many good shows so close to each other. > > The njproghouse and The Fellowship for Metlar House series > now present: > > Spock's Beard with special guest Pinnacle > Saturday November 15th > 8 pm > At The Forum Theatre > Metuchen NJ > > Tickets will be $25 in advance and seating will be general admission. > on sale starting at 7 a.m. starting Tuesday 10/7 > > For all the details and tickets go to > http://www.progradio.net/njproghouse/ > > Peace- > Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 04:18:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h978DnB17384; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F8245CF.1040009@accord.it> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:49:19 +0500 From: cristian cascetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you all for the precious suggestions!!! Your open-mindness and simpaty confirmed me this list is a very nice place to talk about the deep musical questions and not only technical ones. I'll try to follow your ideas and approach looping as a "musical instrument" more than as a "technology". As I think I'm not the only one approaching looping for the first time, I hope this discussion can be useful for someone else! cristian max valentino wrote: > Thank you, Scott, for the very nice compliment! > > In regards to composition with loops, one must consider just what you > want/need to do with the loop, when and how. > I have been giving all of this a lot of attention lately in my own > work. For me, the challenge has been to make the "loopage" more > interactive with the real time playing. > > One very cool aspect of the LD list,is the interchange bewteen > players. It seems all of us use different approaches to > looping/performance/composition, of which the techniques, tips and > tricks we are all quite welcome, even eager, to share with others. > This allows for a great deal of mutual influences and > cross-pollination, so to speak. > > I have noticed a few things about we loopists and how we work. > There are some of us who pile up fx and processing before the loop and > make each "layer" have it's own sonic signature, allowing it to > standout from the other layers. In this aspect, it is much like > multi-track recording, and is very much an additive approach in which > our "box" is contiually being filled until it can simply hold no > more. Perhaps, Christian, this is one dilemma you have encountered > with your own looping. Of course, the only remedy to this is to know > when to stop adding to the loop. > At thast point it may be creative to begin subtracting from the loop, > peeling away layers before constructing new ones. > > There are also some on this list who prefer to process, or "treat" the > loops themselves; often referred to here as "mangling". In some ways > this helps to alieviate the "filling up the box" syndrome, as with > this technique the loopist needs to pay attention to what has already > been recorded, and how that is been effected by any treatments. For > instrance, running a loop thru a filter device can drastically change > the sonic foundation and "flow" of a piece, taking it along an > entirely new tangent. This approach can seem to subtractive, as the > player is, at times, filtering out bits of sound, or, at very least, > "evolving", mutating, or re-constructing an recorded (and looped) event. > > Of course, there are those who do both of the above. Again, the key > to a well-looped performance is knowing when to stop adding to a loop, > when to treat, or stop treating, when to "undo"..etc. > And, that just comes with hours and hours of practice, and paying > attention to oine's own creative flow. > > In both cases here, there is a tendancy to create a loop and let it > run, with all the varied, "added" parts, for the length of a piece. > For my own compositons, of late, I have been working with loops > which I "fly" in and out of a piece, adding color and texture, > rather than being a static event which I add to or play over. Having > the ability to run multiple loops in parallel means I can fade in and > out short loops to add color/contrast, density, accompaniment, and > texture to a solo bass piece. I can "remove" them from the piece, and > yet bring them back at a different point in the performance to provide > a sense of continuity. This makes the "loop" interactive with my own > playing, and hopefully, when done right, it is seamless enough to not > stand out from the rest of the "played" performance ( in what the > audience may percieve as "canned"). > > Again, this is considering how you use a loop, as well as when, and > where the loop is used. Recording a loop, rhythmic or harmonic, > layering a buch of stuff over it, and playing over that, while being > the "direction" many of us started taking when we first entered into > looping, hardly makes use of the potential of "live-looping" (yet > again, it is one approach which is certainly viable....if only a > "one-dimensional" approach, and again, knowing when to stop adding to > the loop will make it more "musical", knowing when to peel away layers > of the loop could help make this approach more two-dimensional). > > Then there is the LaFosse-school, where the players actually "plays" > the loop. Andre actually eschews any fx processing in his gtr-EDP-amp > signal chain, but his ability to "play" the EDP, carving up , slicing > and dicing, his gtr loops, creates something totally unique and > wonderful, and is a rather original way of "composing" with loops. > > Although I do not use an EDP, Andre's work, and his techniques of > working with a loop (rather than merely to it), has had a tremedous > influence on my own concepts of "composing" with loops. > This "interactive-ness" allows the tool (looping device) to become an > instrument in its' own right, and leads to countless possibilities of > re-structuring both sound and the form of a composition. > > > Max > > > >> From: Scott Kungha Drengsen > >> Hello Christian, >> My 1st Cd "Bassapes" was pretty much layering and reverse on a >> Boomerang.(This was before I discovered this list the Echoplex and >> the work of Daved Torn and Jeff Pearce).I think that Steve Lawson and >> Max Valentino are bassists who are masters of this approach. >> >>> >> cristian cascetta wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 >>> months ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: >>> > >>> >>> How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some >>> composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass >>> looping busking. >>> >>> When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then >>> I add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and >>> messing up everything. >>> >>> I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I >>> lose the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I >>> tend to answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent >>> part producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. >>> >>> I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some >>> suggestions from you experienced loopers. >>> >>> cristian >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time > offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 04:27:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h978O5D18762; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:24:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: conflict, anger and unsubscribing Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:25:41 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <016a01c38c56$6ab92320$2761f93f@global> Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: bR6lcgZc8ee7815r4rbJGOjtEIHOPo-M05VO+kjPHeLUGzWJZgQXEl@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > and did as angry a performance > as I've ever done > I just raged at the audience > Well, it fucking blew my mind: > the audience LOVE IT!!!!! that's right ... use your anger and its energy ... I noticed a couple of times myself that I when I was angry for some reason, and played with people while being in this state, I could play more energetically and wild and more interesting ... I was feeling less insecure, and more carried by that energy, not really giving a shit about what it would sound like ... and it came out more authentically this way. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 04:44:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h978gm721029; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F824C9D.2060800@accord.it> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:18:21 +0500 From: cristian cascetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Rc0HD.A.cIF.Iyng_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very interesting ideas! I'm sorry my English is so poor I can't express as I whould. I begin understanding how experienced loopers approach composing. your classification of looping approaches is very interesting, it helped me to re-organize my approach and choose between different strategies. It's strange how organizing ideas can simplify the creative process! Your ideas helped me also to understand a problem in my approach: I couldn't stop playing and letting the loop go! I had the impression not to be playing... After a bit reflection I thougt the reason is that when I try to imagine me looping live in front of some audience, I'm scared about the idea of stop playing a bit and letting things go. I'll try to visualize the question in a different way: a non-musical idea of playing live was more important than music itself! It's incredible how looping is linked to self-knowledge, in particular for musicians not used to play alone! cristian max valentino wrote: > Thank you, Scott, for the very nice compliment! > > In regards to composition with loops, one must consider just what you > want/need to do with the loop, when and how. > I have been giving all of this a lot of attention lately in my own > work. For me, the challenge has been to make the "loopage" more > interactive with the real time playing. > > One very cool aspect of the LD list,is the interchange bewteen > players. It seems all of us use different approaches to > looping/performance/composition, of which the techniques, tips and > tricks we are all quite welcome, even eager, to share with others. > This allows for a great deal of mutual influences and > cross-pollination, so to speak. > > I have noticed a few things about we loopists and how we work. > There are some of us who pile up fx and processing before the loop and > make each "layer" have it's own sonic signature, allowing it to > standout from the other layers. In this aspect, it is much like > multi-track recording, and is very much an additive approach in which > our "box" is contiually being filled until it can simply hold no > more. Perhaps, Christian, this is one dilemma you have encountered > with your own looping. Of course, the only remedy to this is to know > when to stop adding to the loop. > At thast point it may be creative to begin subtracting from the loop, > peeling away layers before constructing new ones. > > There are also some on this list who prefer to process, or "treat" the > loops themselves; often referred to here as "mangling". In some ways > this helps to alieviate the "filling up the box" syndrome, as with > this technique the loopist needs to pay attention to what has already > been recorded, and how that is been effected by any treatments. For > instrance, running a loop thru a filter device can drastically change > the sonic foundation and "flow" of a piece, taking it along an > entirely new tangent. This approach can seem to subtractive, as the > player is, at times, filtering out bits of sound, or, at very least, > "evolving", mutating, or re-constructing an recorded (and looped) event. > > Of course, there are those who do both of the above. Again, the key > to a well-looped performance is knowing when to stop adding to a loop, > when to treat, or stop treating, when to "undo"..etc. > And, that just comes with hours and hours of practice, and paying > attention to oine's own creative flow. > > In both cases here, there is a tendancy to create a loop and let it > run, with all the varied, "added" parts, for the length of a piece. > For my own compositons, of late, I have been working with loops > which I "fly" in and out of a piece, adding color and texture, > rather than being a static event which I add to or play over. Having > the ability to run multiple loops in parallel means I can fade in and > out short loops to add color/contrast, density, accompaniment, and > texture to a solo bass piece. I can "remove" them from the piece, and > yet bring them back at a different point in the performance to provide > a sense of continuity. This makes the "loop" interactive with my own > playing, and hopefully, when done right, it is seamless enough to not > stand out from the rest of the "played" performance ( in what the > audience may percieve as "canned"). > > Again, this is considering how you use a loop, as well as when, and > where the loop is used. Recording a loop, rhythmic or harmonic, > layering a buch of stuff over it, and playing over that, while being > the "direction" many of us started taking when we first entered into > looping, hardly makes use of the potential of "live-looping" (yet > again, it is one approach which is certainly viable....if only a > "one-dimensional" approach, and again, knowing when to stop adding to > the loop will make it more "musical", knowing when to peel away layers > of the loop could help make this approach more two-dimensional). > > Then there is the LaFosse-school, where the players actually "plays" > the loop. Andre actually eschews any fx processing in his gtr-EDP-amp > signal chain, but his ability to "play" the EDP, carving up , slicing > and dicing, his gtr loops, creates something totally unique and > wonderful, and is a rather original way of "composing" with loops. > > Although I do not use an EDP, Andre's work, and his techniques of > working with a loop (rather than merely to it), has had a tremedous > influence on my own concepts of "composing" with loops. > This "interactive-ness" allows the tool (looping device) to become an > instrument in its' own right, and leads to countless possibilities of > re-structuring both sound and the form of a composition. > > > Max > > > >> From: Scott Kungha Drengsen > >> Hello Christian, >> My 1st Cd "Bassapes" was pretty much layering and reverse on a >> Boomerang.(This was before I discovered this list the Echoplex and >> the work of Daved Torn and Jeff Pearce).I think that Steve Lawson and >> Max Valentino are bassists who are masters of this approach. >> >>> >> cristian cascetta wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> It's my first post (even if I registered to the mailing list 5 >>> months ago), so I'd like to introduce myself: >>> > >>> >>> How do you approach looping composition? I'd like to create some >>> composition and a little repertoire, as I'd like to try some bass >>> looping busking. >>> >>> When I try to compose something, I start with some simple riff, then >>> I add some layer, but soon I've the impression of overplaying and >>> messing up everything. >>> >>> I think that I'm focusing too much on the looping paradigm, and I >>> lose the musical inspiration. Another disturbing thing is that I >>> tend to answer and react to the loops I create filling every silent >>> part producing a strong anxiety impression in what I play. >>> >>> I know composing is a very personal matter, but I hope to get some >>> suggestions from you experienced loopers. >>> >>> cristian >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time > offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 11:59:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Ft8r20864; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:55:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c38ceb$61e1d860$0dc6a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: anger and expression and confidence Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:55:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.198.13] at Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:54:59 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3M2CHD.A.3FF.cHug_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael - As you point out, anger can instill a sense of security -- after all that's how the emotion evolved in the first place (to instill a sense of personal safety when faced with threatening situations). A state of anger invokes different rules of behavior for the angry person. It is a very immediate state, that does not hold within it a sense of repercussions for actions taken. So our "self-editing" functions go out the window and we "express" -- which speaks to your feeling of authenticity, perhaps. Various drugs will have the same effect -- loosening the grip of our inhibitions. Each of these, in different ways, allow for "uninhibited flow" to envelop the moment. I guess the moral of all this is to say we don't need drugs or anger to freely express ourselves -- we just need confidence in ourselves. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:25 AM Subject: RE: conflict, anger and unsubscribing > > and did as angry a performance > > as I've ever done > > I just raged at the audience > > Well, it fucking blew my mind: > > the audience LOVE IT!!!!! > > that's right ... use your anger and its energy ... I noticed a couple of > times myself that I when I was angry for some reason, and played with people > while being in this state, I could play more energetically and wild and more > interesting ... I was feeling less insecure, and more carried by that > energy, not really giving a shit about what it would sound like ... and it > came out more authentically this way. > > = michael peters > = www.michaelpeters.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 11:59:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Fl1519660; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F82E00F.9050901@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:47:27 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com Organization: Rosewoodblues LTD. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com weren't you going to un subscribe? Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to >another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any other >list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago for his >bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who I >consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" and >deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to continue, >this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that >is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. > >Tim > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com >writes: > > > >>Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem pretty >>funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all >>somewhat >>silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions >>are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of >>those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half >>of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have >>an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or >>'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should >>include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the >>person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's >>ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again >>in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and >>participating >>in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) >> >>peace >>-cpr >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 12:14:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97G49p23716; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:04:08 +0900 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dylan, Sounds are some different, but Access Programmer is very useful and rare.. and it can recording SysEx data by real time.turning knob is non stress for making sounds.. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com At 21:37 -0700 03.10.6, dylan wrote: >hi all, > >sorry for this off topic post. i have an opportunity to >snag an oberheim matrix 6r for $180. meanwhile i have an >opportunity to buy a matrix 1000 and the access programmer >for it for like $225 for the whole package. i'm divided on >which i should go for, if either. > >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > >i know the matrix 6r will give me that sound. however, it >is 4 rack spaces. > >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. is it still a >true analog synth?? does it sound as fat and warm?? and it >costs a little more, too. i would hate to shell out money i >don't have, and then not have that warm, fuzzy sound i fell >in love with. > >anybody heard either or both of these? what would you go >for? > >thanks for reading. feel free to email me privately so this >OT stuff doesn't clog up the list. THANK YOU! > >loop on, > >dylan > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 12:48:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97GfUe28848; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:41:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:41:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:41:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C49000100F3@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h97GfTU28826 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little I can, and ignore the bullshit... -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a >scoobie snack >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to >another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any >other >list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago >for his >bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who >I >consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" >and >deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to continue, > >this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that > >is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. > >Tim > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com > >writes: > >> Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem pretty >> funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all >> somewhat >> silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that opinions >> are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims of >> those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom half >> of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I have >> an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' or >> 'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should >> include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling the >> person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, "that's >> ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again >> in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and >> participating >> in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 13:02:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97GvH132714; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:57:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:57:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:57:17 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? From: bdeivert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4F034270-F8E7-11D7-A39B-0003934F5EDA@telia.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2TXA4C.A.A_H.tBvg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I have the Electrix repeater and wonder which 256MB cf card works??? I tried a SANDISK BUT ONLY GOT THAT TO WORK IN MONO. Any suggestions? Cheers Bert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 13:18:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97H3UE02433; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:03:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:03:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:03:29 -0600 Message-Id: <200310071703.h97H3TW28200@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.17.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <2ukdsC.A.7l.iHvg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe that http://www.newegg.com has Simpletech cards available that work in most all configurations (backwards, stereo, etc). Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 13:22:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97HAOu03332; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:10:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:10:22 -0400 Subject: Gibson customer service Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200310070444.h974i1219722@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <22F47AF2-F8E9-11D7-A3A5-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody has gibson customer service's contact? i am trying to find an address to send a malfunctioning oberheim edp. gibson's site is super slow and the support link does not work on the edp page. cheers, laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:10:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Hx5D12186; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:59:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:59:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George W. Bush in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom (personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy. Yes, just ignore injustice~ it'll just go away, right? Leave it to some other guy to deal with, some other day... What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age. I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just desserts may vary. Tim In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative > to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. > hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little > I can, and ignore the bullshit... > > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: Fsksync@aol.com > >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT > >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects > a > >scoobie snack > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to > > >another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any > >other > >list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago > >for his > >bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who > >I > >consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" > >and > >deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to > continue, > > > >this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that > > > >is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > cpr@musetrap.com > > > >writes: > > > >>Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem > pretty > >>funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all > > >>somewhat > >>silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that > opinions > >>are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims > of > >>those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom > half > >>of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I > have > >>an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' > or > >>'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should > >>include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling > the > >>person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, > "that's > >>ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again > >>in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and > > >>participating > >>in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) > >> > >>peace > >>-cpr > >> > >> > > > > > --part1_7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a mo= ron like George W. Bush in the White house, and the horror, degradation and=20= loss of freedom (personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy.
Yes, just ignore injustice~  it'll just go away, right? Leave it to som= e other guy to deal with, some other day...
What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age.
I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just desserts= may vary.

Tim


In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.co= m writes:

giving time to something gives=20= it life... ignoring it kills it, relative
to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little I can, and ignore the bullshit... 

-cpr

>-- Original Message --
>From: Fsksync@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT
>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a
>scoobie snack
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
>Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!"=20= to

>another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on an= y
>other
>list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ag= o
>for his
>bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who=
>I
>consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out= "
>and
>deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to continue,
>
>this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever tha= t
>
>is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too.
>
>Tim
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetra= p.com
>
>writes:
>
>>Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem=
pretty
>>funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's al= l

>>somewhat
>>silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that=20= opinions
>>are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victim= s
of
>>those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom=
half
>>of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I=
have
>>an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping= '
or
>>'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) sh= ould
>>include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling=
the
>>person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me,=20= "that's
>>ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over a= gain
>>in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and=

>>participating
>>in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :)
>>
>>peace
>>-cpr
>>
>>
>




 --part1_7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:19:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97I5h113411; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007130307.02dabc80@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:04:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: <8.3decb3e9.2cb3bc9e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com De nada! No trouble at all. (eh, so I'm a synth geek.... ;) -c- At 02:52 AM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed! > >Tim F > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >catilyne@icicle.net writes: > >>At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: >> >> >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, >> >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. >> > >> >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that >> >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the >> >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology >> >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. >> >>Hi Dylan, >> >>First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo >>(MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion >>regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm >>you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. >> >>I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times >>(although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but not >>nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds a >>little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. The >>1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. The >>6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the oscillators >>on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an >>overall sound that's a little more fat. >> >>Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the >>6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' >>version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide >>version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my >>1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and I've >>never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. >> >>To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you >>to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, you >>can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely >>different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a single >>out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it >>using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are >>six-voice polyphonic. >> >>As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes >>up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to be >>sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently >>Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can >>say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' >>hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's >>(and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long >>as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the >>field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement chips >>for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used >>by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's easier >>to get replacement parts. >> >>Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to >>start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them are >>actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best >>submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch >>bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. While >>you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a >>bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. >> >>So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral >>across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with 1k >>of patches as your starting point. >> >>Hope that helps... >> >> -c- >> >>_____ >>"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" >> -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97IKqU15703; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007130530.0441b248@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:19:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> <20031007043732.58798.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7DuCzC.A.N1D.DQwg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:04 AM 10/8/2003 +0900, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hi Dylan, > >Sounds are some different, but Access Programmer is very useful and rare.. >and it can recording SysEx data by real time.turning knob is non stress >for making sounds.. Oooh, good point! I'd overlooked it in the original post, but if you ever wanted to turn the 1000+Programmer back around, you could probably pick up most of the total purchase price on the Programmer alone. One related caveat which affects both the 1000 & 6r, however. They don't like having their parameters tweaked in realtime via sysex. I've done this via both Fadermaster and sequencer merely to manually control the filter cutoff, and it results in some 'zipper noise' and stuttering within that parameter. It won't crash the machine or anything, it just sounds weird. Not entirely uninteresting, but not what I was going for either (if you're into Glitch you may feel differently). Perhaps the Programmer has a way around this, although I think the problem is actually related to how fast the CPU within the Matrix can update itself. So test before you buy, and see if it's going to be a deal breaker. As I said, I've heard this complaint from owners of both the 1000 and the 6r, so I don't think you're going to get an advantage here of one over the other. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:26:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97IJE315381; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:18:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148399082_66348_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148399082_66348_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I tried a number of "fast" cards and found that the only ones that worked well were the SimpleTech brand. (thanks Jessops in Canary Wharf for patience and assistance) The speed that works with the Repeater seems to rest in some kind of other internal mini-OS kind of software in the cards themselves that allows better bi-directional data transfer ? ? ? Possibly. Any real info welcome I was buying 128Meg and got them in the UK from Clove Technology.... http://www.clove.co.uk/products.asp?product=CFS-128MB The test I applied was stereo recording, speed changing and quick swaps reverse/forward. Best wishes j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: bdeivert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 4:57 pm Hi I have the Electrix repeater and wonder which 256MB cf card works??? I tried a SANDISK BUT ONLY GOT THAT TO WORK IN MONO. Any suggestions? Cheers Bert --MS_Mac_OE_3148399082_66348_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? I tried a number of "fast" cards and found that the only ones tha= t worked well were the SimpleTech brand. (thanks Jessops in Canary Wharf for= patience and assistance)

The speed that works with the Repeater seems to rest in some kind of other = internal mini-OS kind of software in the cards themselves that allows better= bi-directional data transfer ? ? ? Possibly. Any real info welcome

I was buying 128Meg and got them in the UK from Clove Technology....

http://www.clove.co.uk/products.asp?product=3DCFS-12= 8MB

The test I applied was stereo recording, speed changing and quick swaps rev= erse/forward.

Best wishes

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122

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From: bdeivert <bdeivert@telia.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card???
Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 4:57 pm



Hi

I have the Electrix repeater and wonder which 256MB cf card works???  = I
tried a SANDISK BUT ONLY GOT THAT TO WORK IN MONO. Any suggestions?

Cheers
Bert





--MS_Mac_OE_3148399082_66348_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:33:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97IStG17163; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: anger and expression and confidence Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:30:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001301c38ceb$61e1d860$0dc6a344@hppav> Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: Gz21kgZBreWD9d5m0LYLMnyNW3xrPsPTBEbstmgOQUHYLg-5j9ESE1@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I guess the moral of all this is to > say we don't need drugs or anger to > freely express ourselves -- we > just need confidence in ourselves. how true David. the interesting thing about this of course (we're getting more and more OT here btw) is what to do when there is no confidence in a situation where it would be needed. :-) and (even more OT) the question arises: what is confidence anyway? or the lack of it? is there such a thing as 'false' and 'true' confidence? maybe we should discuss this off-list before Kim hits us :-) -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 14:39:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97ITwJ17335; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:29:36 EDT Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.33ecdad1.2cb46010_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_47.33ecdad1.2cb46010_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much closer in the single-space rack box?). Tim In a message dated 10/7/03 11:21:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes: > At 01:04 AM 10/8/2003 +0900, Sunao Inami wrote: > >Hi Dylan, > > > >Sounds are some different, but Access Programmer is very useful and rare.. > >and it can recording SysEx data by real time.turning knob is non stress > >for making sounds.. > > Oooh, good point! I'd overlooked it in the original post, but if you ever > wanted to turn the 1000+Programmer back around, you could probably pick up > most of the total purchase price on the Programmer alone. > > One related caveat which affects both the 1000 &6r, however. They don't > like having their parameters tweaked in realtime via sysex. I've done this > via both Fadermaster and sequencer merely to manually control the filter > cutoff, and it results in some 'zipper noise' and stuttering within that > parameter. It won't crash the machine or anything, it just sounds > weird. Not entirely uninteresting, but not what I was going for either (if > you're into Glitch you may feel differently). Perhaps the Programmer has a > way around this, although I think the problem is actually related to how > fast the CPU within the Matrix can update itself. So test before you buy, > and see if it's going to be a deal breaker. > > As I said, I've heard this complaint from owners of both the 1000 and the > 6r, so I don't think you're going to get an advantage here of one over the > other. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > --part1_47.33ecdad1.2cb46010_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometime= s suffers from 60 hz hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being= jammed in much closer in the single-space rack box?).

Tim



In a message dated 10/7/03 11:21:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicl= e.net writes:

At 01:04 AM 10/8/2003 +0900, Su= nao Inami wrote:
>Hi Dylan,
>
>Sounds are some different, but  Access Programmer is very useful an= d rare..
>and it can recording SysEx data by real time.turning knob is non stress=20=
>for making sounds..

Oooh, good point!  I'd overlooked it in the original post, but if you e= ver
wanted to turn the 1000+Programmer back around, you could probably pick up <= BR> most of the total purchase price on the Programmer alone.

One related caveat which affects both the 1000 &6r, however.  They=20= don't
like having their parameters tweaked in realtime via sysex.  I've done=20= this
via both Fadermaster and sequencer merely to manually control the filter cutoff, and it results in some 'zipper noise' and stuttering within that parameter.  It won't crash the machine or anything, it just sounds
weird.  Not entirely uninteresting, but not what I was going for either= (if
you're into Glitch you may feel differently).  Perhaps the Programmer h= as a
way around this, although I think the problem is actually related to how fast the CPU within the Matrix can update itself.  So test before you b= uy,
and see if it's going to be a deal breaker.

As I said, I've heard this complaint from owners of both the 1000 and the 6r, so I don't think you're going to get an advantage here of one over the <= BR> other.

     -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
            &nbs= p;            -recoil=



--part1_47.33ecdad1.2cb46010_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:08:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97J2ct23376; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:02:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:02:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C4900010302@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <7e.3f3371e7.2cb458db@aol.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h97J2bU23352 Resent-Message-ID: <6ndCg.A.HtF.O3wg_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, I'm not talking about apathy, but my ideas, it seem, show up as that from your perspective... Comparing someones input into a mailing list and the process of electing a president seems a bit of a stretch for me, but if you view Mark's disparagging(sp?) remarks as equivilent to electing a political official, then I can see why you would be so passionate in your repsonse... I guess this brings up how our responses are dictacted by the level of importance we give the 'event'... which helps me to clarify what I am saying, ignoring someones negative comments, by simply seeing them as thier opinion, and not feeling the need to change thier opinion, is freeing... we don't end up exercising all these negative feelings in responding... we have more time to do what we enjoy, and well, we would certainly have more time to give to more important (from my perspective) issues such as electing political officials, or, in the context of this email list, discussing looping... :) -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a >scoobie snack >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George W. >Bush >in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom >(personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy. >Yes, just ignore injustice~ it'll just go away, right? Leave it to some > >other guy to deal with, some other day... >What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age. >I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just desserts > >may vary. > >Tim > > >In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com > >writes: > >> giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative >> to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. >> hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little >> I can, and ignore the bullshit... >> >> -cpr >> >> >-- Original Message -- >> >From: Fsksync@aol.com >> >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT >> >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects >> a >> >scoobie snack >> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> > >> >Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to >> >> >another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on >any >> >other >> >list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long >ago >> >for his >> >bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who >> >I >> >consider a friend) for no reason. Some of you should "pull your head out" >> >and >> >deal with reality here- as long as this kind of behavior is allowed to >> continue, >> > >> >this list is essentially Mark's, and not the "community"'s (whatever that >> > >> >is). Wrong is wrong. Ignoring wrong makes you wrong too. >> > >> >Tim >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >In a message dated 10/6/03 4:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> cpr@musetrap.com >> > >> >writes: >> > >> >>Sorry if this seems way off, but from the outside, you guys all seem >> pretty >> >>funny.. :) between virtual yelling and the implied 'waaaaa's it's all >> >> >>somewhat >> >>silly when coming from adults... I think it's best to remember that >> opinions >> >>are like assholes... everyone has one... ok, except maybe for victims >> of >> >>those severe accidents which result in the loss of the entire bottom >> half >> >>of thier bodies... ;) BUT, they still can have opinions... and, as I >> have >> >>an opinion, I don't believe that our opinions about 'what is looping' >> or >> >>'what gear is best' or 'whether someone needs a metronome' (hehe) should >> >>include insults... is it not possible to disagree without belittling >> the >> >>person(s) you disagree with? hmmm... maybe not.. and, well, for me, >> "that's >> >>ok"... :) I hope everyone can adopt the advice given over and over again >> >>in regards to ignoring the stuff that doesn't sit well with you, and >> >> >>participating >> >>in the stuff that does... blah.. blah.. blah... :) >> >> >> >>peace >> >>-cpr >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:19:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JA2l24603; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:10:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007134943.02dd9ec8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:09:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:29 PM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz >hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much >closer in the single-space rack box?). Personally, I've never had a problem with 60 cycle hum. I have heard some anecdotal reporting of this, though. Many of the very worst offenders, however, were found to actually be broken (cracked circuit board in at least one case) once they were taken into the shop. I've also heard that the later white-face units aren't as susceptible to interference, but I don't believe there were as many white-face produced as black-faced. Thus, statistics say you wouldn't see as many of those units coming into a shop in the first place. What you *do* want to watch out for is interference and grounding. Unfortunately, the shielding on these guys wasn't what it should be. If you set it right next to your computer monitor, you're going to pick up interference hum, just the same as if you held a guitar pickup close to the monitor. Make sure you use insulating washers to mount it with, and pay some mind to where in your rack you position it (if it's right next to a particularly noisy unit, you might get some bleed). Like I said, I've never had any issues with this, but perhaps I'm one of the luckier ones. It's worth it to pay an extra bit of attention to power and grounding issues anyway, just to make certain you've got the cleanest possible sound. And as an aside: for those of you into MIDI guitar, these little guys kick *ss. They work in MIDI Mode 4 (guitar mode) just fine, and they sound great. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:21:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JCII25001; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:12:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:12:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:09:53 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris~ So you're saying that yelling "Fuck You!" to someone who doesn't kowtow to one's ego trip is an "opinion"? If so, you're a bigger fool than I thought you were... Oh well. Party on, Chris. And enjoy the world you're helping to create. Tim In a message dated 10/7/03 12:04:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > Tim, > > I'm not talking about apathy, but my ideas, it seem, show up as that from > your perspective... Comparing someones input into a mailing list and the > process of electing a president seems a bit of a stretch for me, but if > you view Mark's disparagging(sp?) remarks as equivilent to electing a > political > official, then I can see why you would be so passionate in your repsonse... > I guess this brings up how our responses are dictacted by the level of > importance > we give the 'event'... which helps me to clarify what I am saying, ignoring > someones negative comments, by simply seeing them as thier opinion, and > not feeling the need to change thier opinion, is freeing... we don't end > up exercising all these negative feelings in responding... we have more > time to do what we enjoy, and well, we would certainly have more time to > give to more important (from my perspective) issues such as electing > political > officials, or, in the context of this email list, discussing looping... > :) > > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: Fsksync@aol.com > >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT > >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects > a > >scoobie snack > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George W. > >Bush > >in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom > >(personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy. > >Yes, just ignore injustice~ it'll just go away, right? Leave it to some > > > >other guy to deal with, some other day... > >What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age. > >I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just > desserts > > > >may vary. > > > >Tim > > > > > >In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > cpr@musetrap.com > > > >writes: > > > >>giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative > >>to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. > >>hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little > >>I can, and ignore the bullshit... > >> > >>-cpr > >> > >>>-- Original Message -- > >>>From: Fsksync@aol.com > >>>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT > >>>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects > >>a > >>>scoobie snack > >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> > >>> > >>>Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" > to > >> > --part1_1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris~

So you're saying that yelling "Fuck You!" to someone who doesn't kowtow to o= ne's ego trip is an "opinion"?

If so, you're a bigger fool than I thought you were...

Oh well.

Party on, Chris.

And enjoy the world you're helping to create.

Tim





In a message dated 10/7/03 12:04:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.c= om writes:

Tim,

I'm not talking about apathy, but my ideas, it seem, show up as that from your perspective... Comparing someones input into a mailing list and the
process of electing a president seems a bit of a stretch for me, but if
you view Mark's disparagging(sp?) remarks as equivilent to electing a politi= cal
official, then I can see why you would be so passionate in your repsonse...<= BR> I guess this brings up how our responses are dictacted by the level of impor= tance
we give the 'event'... which helps me to clarify what I am saying, ignoring<= BR> someones negative comments, by simply seeing them as thier opinion, and
not feeling the need to change thier opinion, is freeing... we don't end
up exercising all these negative feelings in responding... we have more
time to do what we enjoy, and well, we would certainly have more time to
give to more important (from my perspective) issues such as electing politic= al
officials, or, in the context of this email list, discussing looping...
:)

-cpr

>-- Original Message --
>From: Fsksync@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT
>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a
>scoobie snack
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
>Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George W.=
>Bush
>in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom
>(personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy.
>Yes, just ignore injustice~  it'll just go away, right? Leave it to= some
>
>other guy to deal with, some other day...
>What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age.
>I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just dess= erts
>
>may vary.
>
>Tim
>
>
>In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetra= p.com
>
>writes:
>
>>giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, rela= tive
>>to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have=20= one..
>>hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what=20= little
>>I can, and ignore the bullshit... 
>>
>>-cpr
>>
>>>-- Original Message --
>>>From: Fsksync@aol.com
>>>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT
>>>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and e= xpects
>>a
>>>scoobie snack
>>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuc= k You!"
to
>>


 --part1_1f1.10e764b9.2cb46981_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:25:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JGBY25545; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <95.338a7c81.2cb46a77@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:13:59 EDT Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Fsksync@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_95.338a7c81.2cb46a77_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_95.338a7c81.2cb46a77_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks again. The M6 and/or M1000 have been on my want list for *ages*. Timothy In a message dated 10/7/03 12:11:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes: > At 02:29 PM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > >Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz > >hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much > >closer in the single-space rack box?). > > Personally, I've never had a problem with 60 cycle hum. I have heard some > anecdotal reporting of this, though. Many of the very worst offenders, > however, were found to actually be broken (cracked circuit board in at > least one case) once they were taken into the shop. I've also heard that > the later white-face units aren't as susceptible to interference, but I > don't believe there were as many white-face produced as black-faced. Thus, > statistics say you wouldn't see as many of those units coming into a shop > in the first place. > > What you *do* want to watch out for is interference and > grounding. Unfortunately, the shielding on these guys wasn't what it > should be. If you set it right next to your computer monitor, you're going > to pick up interference hum, just the same as if you held a guitar pickup > close to the monitor. Make sure you use insulating washers to mount it > with, and pay some mind to where in your rack you position it (if it's > right next to a particularly noisy unit, you might get some bleed). > > Like I said, I've never had any issues with this, but perhaps I'm one of > the luckier ones. It's worth it to pay an extra bit of attention to power > and grounding issues anyway, just to make certain you've got the cleanest > possible sound. > > And as an aside: for those of you into MIDI guitar, these little guys kick > *ss. They work in MIDI Mode 4 (guitar mode) just fine, and they sound > great. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > --part1_95.338a7c81.2cb46a77_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks again. The M6 and/or M1000 have been on my want= list for *ages*.

Timothy


In a message dated 10/7/03 12:11:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicl= e.net writes:

At 02:29 PM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fs= ksync@aol.com wrote:
>Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60=20= hz
>hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much <= BR> >closer in the single-space rack box?).

Personally, I've never had a problem with 60 cycle hum.  I have heard s= ome
anecdotal reporting of this, though.  Many of the very worst offenders,=
however, were found to actually be broken (cracked circuit board in at
least one case) once they were taken into the shop.  I've also heard th= at
the later white-face units aren't as susceptible to interference, but I
don't believe there were as many white-face produced as black-faced.  T= hus,
statistics say you wouldn't see as many of those units coming into a shop in the first place.

What you *do* want to watch out for is interference and
grounding.  Unfortunately, the shielding on these guys wasn't what it <= BR> should be.  If you set it right next to your computer monitor, you're g= oing
to pick up interference hum, just the same as if you held a guitar pickup close to the monitor.  Make sure you use insulating washers to mount it=
with, and pay some mind to where in your rack you position it (if it's
right next to a particularly noisy unit, you might get some bleed).

Like I said, I've never had any issues with this, but perhaps I'm one of the luckier ones.  It's worth it to pay an extra bit of attention to po= wer
and grounding issues anyway, just to make certain you've got the cleanest possible sound.

And as an aside: for those of you into MIDI guitar, these little guys kick <= BR> *ss.  They work in MIDI Mode 4 (guitar mode) just fine, and they sound=20= great.

     -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
            &nbs= p;            -recoil=



--part1_95.338a7c81.2cb46a77_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:27:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97IMXj15962; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:22:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:22:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c38d10$c795c3e0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007130307.02dabc80@spamarrest.com> Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:22:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Posts like Catilyne's about the Oberheim synths are what keep me coming back to this list. Amazing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catilyne" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? > De nada! No trouble at all. (eh, so I'm a synth geek.... ;) > > -c- > > > At 02:52 AM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > >THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed! > > > >Tim F > > > > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >catilyne@icicle.net writes: > > > >>At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: > >> > >> >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, > >> >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > >> > > >> >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that > >> >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the > >> >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology > >> >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. > >> > >>Hi Dylan, > >> > >>First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo > >>(MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion > >>regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm > >>you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. > >> > >>I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times > >>(although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but not > >>nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds a > >>little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. The > >>1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. The > >>6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the oscillators > >>on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it an > >>overall sound that's a little more fat. > >> > >>Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, the > >>6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' > >>version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide > >>version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my > >>1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and I've > >>never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. > >> > >>To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing you > >>to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, you > >>can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely > >>different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a single > >>out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering it > >>using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are > >>six-voice polyphonic. > >> > >>As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it takes > >>up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to be > >>sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently > >>Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can > >>say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' > >>hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the 1000's > >>(and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as long > >>as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the > >>field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement chips > >>for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version used > >>by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's easier > >>to get replacement parts. > >> > >>Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to > >>start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them are > >>actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best > >>submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch > >>bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. While > >>you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a > >>bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. > >> > >>So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and bi-timbral > >>across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with 1k > >>of patches as your starting point. > >> > >>Hope that helps... > >> > >> -c- > >> > >>_____ > >>"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > >> -recoil > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:38:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JWEJ28496; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:32:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:32:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014701c38d09$6974f300$01605cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for October 4, 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:29:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0136_01C38CE7.D2D64E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C38CE7.D2D64E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #30 October 4, 2003. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Michael Stearns In the Beginning Planetary Unfolding = (Sonic Atmospheres) Michael Stearns Toto I've a Feeling Planetary Unfolding = (Sonic We're Not In Kansas Atmospheres) Anymore Michael Stearns Wherever Two or More Planetary Unfolding = (Sonic Are Gathered Atmospheres) Mojave Wind Departure from the Ricochet Gathering - = Mojave Mojave Plane 2003 - Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dreams) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Gorn Hummingbird Colors of the Mind = (Dharma Moon) Scott Long Memories of Comfort Reaching Calm (none) VA [Chris Nole] Laramie Waltz Growth (Moulin D'Or) VA [No Noise] Karma Shabda Buddha Cafe = (Intentcity) Chinmaya Dunster and The Circle Makers Karma Circles (New = Earth) the Celtic Ragas Band uncredited Gales of Wind Ninja Scroll (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Klaatu Silly Boys Sir Army = Suit/Endangered Species (Attic) VA [Man in Space] Psyche 'D' HELL'ic Portals 2 (PMS) Dead Soul Tribe Stone By Stone A Murder of Crows = (InsideOut) Dead Soul Tribe The Awakening A Murder of Crows = (InsideOut) Chain Before There Was Reconstruct (Progrock) Gratto Call and Response Anakin Tumnus (PMM) * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on October 18. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C38CE7.D2D64E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
 
            =    =20     Show #30       =20             October 4, = 2003.
 
Phase I/Space:
 
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Michael=20 Stearns         In the=20 Beginning         Planetary = Unfolding=20 (Sonic
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 Atmospheres)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Toto I've a Feeling      Planetary Unfolding=20 (Sonic
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 We're Not In Kansas     =20 Atmospheres)
         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Anymore
Michael = Stearns        =20 Wherever Two or More     Planetary Unfolding=20 (Sonic
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Are=20 Gathered           = ; =20 Atmospheres)
Mojave=20 Wind           &nb= sp;=20 Departure from the       Ricochet = Gathering -=20 Mojave
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Mojave=20 Plane           &n= bsp;=20 2003 - Demo=20 Sessions
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 (Ricochet Dreams)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Steve=20 Gorn           &nb= sp; =20 Hummingbird          &n= bsp;  =20 Colors of the Mind=20 (Dharma
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 Moon)
Scott=20 Long           &nb= sp; =20 Memories of Comfort      Reaching Calm = (none)
VA=20 [Chris Nole]         Laramie=20 Waltz            = Growth=20 (Moulin D'Or)
VA [No=20 Noise]           Karma = Shabda           &= nbsp;=20 Buddha Cafe (Intentcity)
Chinmaya Dunster and    The = Circle=20 Makers        Karma Circles (New=20 Earth)
  the Celtic Ragas=20 Band
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ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Klaatu        =          =20 Silly=20 Boys           &nb= sp;  =20 Sir Army=20 Suit/Endangered
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VA [Man in Space]       = Psyche=20 'D' HELL'ic       Portals 2 (PMS)
Dead = Soul=20 Tribe         Stone By=20 Stone           A = Murder of=20 Crows (InsideOut)
Dead Soul=20 Tribe         The=20 Awakening          &nbs= p; A=20 Murder of Crows=20 (InsideOut)
Chain         = ;         =20 Before There Was         = Reconstruct=20 (Progrock)
Gratto         = ;        =20 Call and Response        Anakin = Tumnus=20 (PMM)
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on October 18.
 
Bill
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Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond
the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New=20 Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary=20 releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh=20 and
click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C38CE7.D2D64E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:50:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Iev219144; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:40:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007133215.0434d3b8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:39:55 -0500 To: From: Catilyne Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? In-Reply-To: <007301c38d10$c795c3e0$0200a8c0@amd> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20031007130307.02dabc80@spamarrest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Um, wow! Would you mind if I forwarded that over to my wife? It might help me justify all this gear sitting around my living room.... ;) Seriously though, I can't really take credit: I'm just an information pack-rat. I'm not the one who actually went through the architecture and figured out the clock timings, or the reliability of the chips. Those are the guys who really deserve the pats on the back. -c- At 02:22 PM 10/7/2003 -0600, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Posts like Catilyne's about the Oberheim synths are what keep me coming back >to this list. Amazing! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Catilyne" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:04 PM >Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? > > > > De nada! No trouble at all. (eh, so I'm a synth geek.... ;) > > > > -c- > > > > > > At 02:52 AM 10/7/2003 -0400, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > > >THANKS VERY MUCH for this post- very helpful indeed! > > > > > >Tim F > > > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 10:58:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > >catilyne@icicle.net writes: > > > > > >>At 09:37 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, dylan wrote: > > >> > > >> >i've heard a matrix 6 before. it sounded so fat and warm, > > >> >the horns and basses especially. THAT's the sound i want. > > >> > > > >> >i have never heard a matrix 1000. would it give me that > > >> >same fat, warm sound?? the synth sites online say it's "the > > >> >same" as the matrix 6r. but there HAS to be some technology > > >> >differences, to fit it all in 1 rack space. > > >> > > >>Hi Dylan, > > >> > > >>First of all, get yourself over to the Matrix Synth group at Yahoo > > >>(MatrixSynth @yahoogroups.com). There's been a bunch of discussion > > >>regarding this very topic, and a quick scan of the archives will confirm > > >>you don't have to take what I'm saying at face value. > > >> > > >>I have the Matrix1000, and have played with the Matrix6r a few times > > >>(although not directly head-to-head). There are some differences, but >not > > >>nearly as many as you'd expect. General consensus is that the 6r sounds >a > > >>little fatter, but primarily only because of the master clock crystal. >The > > >>1000 uses a single crystal which is then split across the six DCO's. >The > > >>6r has separate crystals for each DCO. Therefore, each of the >oscillators > > >>on the 6r is a miniscule amount out of sync with the others, giving it >an > > >>overall sound that's a little more fat. > > >> > > >>Also, while both the 1000 and 6r are based on the CEM 3396 voice chips, >the > > >>6r uses the 'wide-body' version, and the 1000 includes the 'narrow-body' > > >>version. Some chip connoisseurs will argue the difference that the wide > > >>version sounds very slightly better. That said, I can tell you that my > > >>1000 sounds pretty f*cking massive. I've had it for over a decade and >I've > > >>never once felt shortchanged in the 'analogue' department. > > >> > > >>To the plus side for the 6r is the fact that it is bi-timbral, allowing >you > > >>to send a different mono patch to each of its 2 separate outputs. No, >you > > >>can't really do stereo, unless you kludge something with two completely > > >>different versions of the same patch. The 1000 is only mono with a >single > > >>out (OBLoopReference: however you can easily multiply this by layering >it > > >>using the looping device of your choice <*grin*>). Both devices are > > >>six-voice polyphonic. > > >> > > >>As far as good things about the 1000, you already mentioned that it >takes > > >>up less real estate (1u as opposed to the 6r's 4u). The 1000 is said to >be > > >>sturdier all around with much better build quality, since evidently > > >>Oberheim subbed out the construction of the 6r's to a contracter. I can > > >>say that on the Matrix Synth list I've seen many more reports of 'weird' > > >>hardware behavior on the part of the 6r's than I ever have from the >1000's > > >>(and that after the 1000's were in production at least three times as >long > > >>as the 6r's -- there have to be far more 1000's out in the > > >>field). Relatedly, it is evidently far easier to obtain replacement >chips > > >>for the narrow-body version of the CEM 3396 than the wide-body version >used > > >>by the 6r. So, the 1000 is less likely to fail, and if it does it's >easier > > >>to get replacement parts. > > >> > > >>Finally, in the 1000's favor is the fact that you've got 1000 patches to > > >>start with -- 200 of which are user-editable. And the majority of them >are > > >>actually pretty darn good (they ought to be: Oberheim took the best > > >>submissions from existing Matrix6 owners to make up the patch > > >>bank). That's the one thing I hear 6r owners pining about the most. >While > > >>you can download the patches in sysex format and load them into the 6r a > > >>bank at a time, it's so much nicer just to have them at your fingertips. > > >> > > >>So, in summary: 6r is a liittle fatter, but not great deal, and >bi-timbral > > >>across two outs. 1000 is less likely to break and easier to fix, with >1k > > >>of patches as your starting point. > > >> > > >>Hope that helps... > > >> > > >> -c- > > >> > > >>_____ > > >>"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > > >> -recoil > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 15:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97Jfhg31268; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:41:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:41:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:41:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <4F034270-F8E7-11D7-A39B-0003934F5EDA@telia.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2003 19:41:37.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[05535590:01C38D0B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lexar don't. I have one. Let me know us know if any of you find out, off-list. Info like this needs to be placed on the product page or otherwise widely disseminated. Hell, why doesn't everyone list the cards they have, and the approximate age of the card. Mine: Lexar, 256 meg, 2003, doesn't work at all I have another, that does work, but it's in my repeater at home. I'll post tomorrow. Jon -----Original Message----- From: bdeivert [mailto:bdeivert@telia.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Hi I have the Electrix repeater and wonder which 256MB cf card works??? I tried a SANDISK BUT ONLY GOT THAT TO WORK IN MONO. Any suggestions? Cheers Bert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 16:00:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97JsXP00522; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:54:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:54:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C49000103CD@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h97JsWU00497 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, Yes, I think that.. and, if I am not mistaken, you just called me a fool because I didn't kowtow to your ego trip... ;) maybe we should stop filling the list with this discussion, as I just realized you are exhibiting the exact behaviours you are condemming... I respect your opinion, but, since you seem to make use of sarcastic passive agressive statements, and name calling, I really feel like we aren't having a discussion, at least not in a form that makes me feel like we will get anywhere... so, let's just end this with the knowledge that we look at the world differently in regards to which fights we choose to fight... loop on! :) -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:09:53 EDT >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a >scoobie snack >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Chris~ > >So you're saying that yelling "Fuck You!" to someone who doesn't kowtow to > >one's ego trip is an "opinion"? > >If so, you're a bigger fool than I thought you were... > >Oh well. > >Party on, Chris. > >And enjoy the world you're helping to create. > >Tim > > > > > >In a message dated 10/7/03 12:04:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >cpr@musetrap.com writes: > >> Tim, >> >> I'm not talking about apathy, but my ideas, it seem, show up as that from >> your perspective... Comparing someones input into a mailing list and the >> process of electing a president seems a bit of a stretch for me, but if >> you view Mark's disparagging(sp?) remarks as equivilent to electing a >> political >> official, then I can see why you would be so passionate in your repsonse... >> I guess this brings up how our responses are dictacted by the level of > >> importance >> we give the 'event'... which helps me to clarify what I am saying, ignoring >> someones negative comments, by simply seeing them as thier opinion, and >> not feeling the need to change thier opinion, is freeing... we don't end >> up exercising all these negative feelings in responding... we have more >> time to do what we enjoy, and well, we would certainly have more time to >> give to more important (from my perspective) issues such as electing >> political >> officials, or, in the context of this email list, discussing looping... >> :) >> >> -cpr >> >> >-- Original Message -- >> >From: Fsksync@aol.com >> >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:51 EDT >> >Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects >> a >> >scoobie snack >> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> > >> >Yes, apathy makes the world go 'round. Apathy put a moron like George >W. >> >Bush >> >in the White house, and the horror, degradation and loss of freedom >> >(personal, economic) that ensued is just peachy. >> >Yes, just ignore injustice~ it'll just go away, right? Leave it to some >> > >> >other guy to deal with, some other day... >> >What a load of rubbish. So typical in this day and age. >> >I choose a different, CONSCIOUS future. Your mileage, and your just >> desserts >> > >> >may vary. >> > >> >Tim >> > >> > >> >In a message dated 10/7/03 9:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> cpr@musetrap.com >> > >> >writes: >> > >> >>giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative >> >>to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. >> >>hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little >> >>I can, and ignore the bullshit... >> >> >> >>-cpr >> >> >> >>>-- Original Message -- >> >>>From: Fsksync@aol.com >> >>>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:21 EDT >> >>>Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects >> >>a >> >>>scoobie snack >> >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Well blah blah blah, peace &love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" >> to >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 16:20:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97K8wx04816; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:08:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:08:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> References: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:29 PM -0400 10/7/03, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much closer in the single-space rack box?). I've never heard hum in the output, but there is a little mechanical 60Hz sound from some generations of Matrix 1000. A couple of theories are coupling between the steel lid and the transformer, and just noisy transformers. -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:09:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97L5P114345; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F832D9D.EEE5E04C@erols.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:18:21 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: NJ gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Mazzarella vocals/acoustic guitar/electric guitar/lap steel guitar/loops Friday, October 10th, 8pm-11pm @ The Town Grind 25 East Main Street Denville, NJ 973-625-9666 That's right! I'm breaking out the lap steel for this one. Hope to see you there, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:13:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97L8si14868; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:08:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:06:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > > Lexar don't. I have one. > > Let me know us know if any of you find out, off-list. Info like this > needs to be placed on the product page or otherwise widely disseminated. > > > Hell, why doesn't everyone list the cards they have, and the approximate > age of the card. Mine: > > Lexar, 256 meg, 2003, doesn't work at all > > I have another, that does work, but it's in my repeater at home. I'll > post tomorrow. Simpletech cards USED to be the best for the Repeater, but they can't keep a steady suppply of the "fast" controllers, so now apparently it's hit or miss. I use an older (2 year old?) Simpletech 128mb card that works fine. There is some info about the CFC controller speed problem on the old Electrix forum. Go here, and choose the "Repeater" forum: http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro Set the date to "show topics from last year" and track the info on CFC's. There is a post from June stating that Simpletech 256mb cards from newegg.com work, but I don't know if the current stock qualifies. Best thing to do (IMO) is get a Simpletech card from a local retailer like Office Max or something, so you can return it if it doesn't work, and try somewhere else. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:39:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97LTpd17397; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:29:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:29:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c38d2a$cec2c680$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:29:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk about CFCs... You know, chlorofluorocarbons cause global warming, one of our environment's most pressing problems today. Maybe you should trade your Repeater in and get an Echoplex Digital Pro which uses Sysex Bulk Dump to store your loops on your computer, because -- "It's Nature Safe!(tm)" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:42:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97LZop18487; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:35:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:35:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007213548.50301.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:35:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F615C49000100F3@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Chris Roberts wrote: > giving time to something gives it life... ignoring it kills it, relative > to the person ignoring it... this is all my opinion... cause I have one.. > hehe.. I find value in this list... I take in what I need, add what little > I can, and ignore the bullshit... Well said. Sorry for my last post. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 17:43:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97LYSG18182; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007213427.49684.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > Well blah blah blah, peace & love, but when someone says "Fuck You!" to > another member that is a personal attack and wouldn't be tolerated on any other > list I've ever been a member of. Mark would have been booted off long ago for > his bullshit. And I believe this was the second time he piled onto Jeff (who I > consider a friend) for no reason. Well, I hate to perpetuate this nonsense, but it was not "for no reason" that Mark responded with that particular quip. He was responding to Jeff's post calling him a "jack ass". I though Jeff's post that initiated that response was really quite inflamatory since all Mark did to incite it was to make a little joke. Obviously, neither one of these responses was appropriate. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 18:16:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97MCmT25645; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:12:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:12:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: What Would Kim Do? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:12:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Peters posited: maybe we should discuss this off-list before Kim hits us :-) **I don't think so--I think Kim encourages all manner of polite discourse (oops, just spoke for somebody else again--dang!) I for one have benefitted from this discussion of online manners and what makes one angry and why-- Hats off to Rick Walker for having a level head and still liking me since I have jumped off the bandwagon for this weekend--my bad-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 18:18:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97MEUl25948; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:14:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:14:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007214841.51665.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mike Barrs wrote: > Simpletech cards USED to be the best for the Repeater, but they can't keep a > steady suppply of the "fast" controllers, so now apparently it's hit or > miss. I use an older (2 year old?) Simpletech 128mb card that works fine. This is correct, however, it ignores the fact that the ONLY cards that have ever given full functionality in the Repeater are made by SimpleTech. The problem is that you can't tell the ones that work from the ones that don't, since they're the same model. It's luck of the draw whether you get one with the right internal controller chipset (Hitachi, I'm told), because SimpleTech appears to use whatever they can get their hands on when they make the cards. I've had SimpleTech cards that worked with mine, and one that didn't. So, to summarize, a SimpleTech -might- work with your Repeater. Any other brand probably won't work. > Set the date to "show topics from last year" and track the info on CFC's. > There is a post from June stating that Simpletech 256mb cards from > newegg.com work, but I don't know if the current stock qualifies. I haven't had time to exhaustively test it yet, but I just got a SimpleTech 256MB card from newegg.com last Friday and my initial tests say that it will in fact work well with my Repeater (ie, it'll format, record in stereo, forward and reverse, etc). > Best thing to do (IMO) is get a Simpletech card from a local retailer like > Office Max or something, so you can return it if it doesn't work, and try > somewhere else. I don't know about the "local vendor" part, but if you can buy one from a vendor that'll let you return it, that's your safest option. If you luck out, and find someone with a batch of good ones, let us know. FWIW, there's been considerable discussion of CFC issues on the repeater-users mailing list. It's hosted on YahooGroups, if you're interested. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 18:35:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97MUPc28215; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:30:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:30:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:47:04 +0000 Subject: Footpedal resistors From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148400825_93796_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148400825_93796_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've found the page with the resistor values from Kim's very helpful Footpedal Tutorial dated 5th January 1997: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html 1% metal film resistors should be used, here are the appropriate values: 0 ohms Record 14.3K ohms Overdub 7.87K ohms Multiply 4.75K ohms Insert 2.87K ohms Mute 1.58K ohms Undo 681 ohms NextLoop Parameters Best wishes j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 --MS_Mac_OE_3148400825_93796_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Footpedal resistors I've found the page with the resistor values from Kim's very helpful Footpe= dal Tutorial dated 5th January 1997:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html


1% metal film resistors should be used, h= ere are the appropriate values:

0 ohms          Record
14.3K ohms  Overdub
7.87K ohms  Multiply
4.75K ohms  Insert
2.87K ohms  Mute
1.58K ohms  Undo
681 ohms      NextLoop
            =            Parameters=

Best wishes

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122

--MS_Mac_OE_3148400825_93796_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 18:52:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97MjKS30188; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031007222001.10565.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F824C9D.2060800@accord.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max valentino wrote: > I have noticed a few things about we loopists and how we work. > There are some of us who pile up fx and processing before the loop and > make each "layer" have it's own sonic signature, allowing it to > standout from the other layers. In this aspect, it is much like > multi-track recording, and is very much an additive approach in which > our "box" is contiually being filled until it can simply hold no > more. Perhaps, Christian, this is one dilemma you have encountered > with your own looping. Of course, the only remedy to this is to know > when to stop adding to the loop. > At thast point it may be creative to begin subtracting from the loop, > peeling away layers before constructing new ones. This very thing is one thing I really enjoy doing with the Repeater. I can record different layers across the 4 available tracks, making it very easy to remove selected layers (sometimes temporarily, sometimes permanantly), or to emphasize or deemphasize selected layers within the loop. With other looping devices, removing or changing the level of selected layers within the recording is somewhere between difficult and impossible. The Repeater is a very good tool for someone who likes to work this way. Personaly, I don't care to have ALL the layers of my loop running through the same effect, especially some of the more extreme things like a lowpass filter. Sure, it's cool, for a little while, but having the variety within the layers is more to my taste. > In both cases here, there is a tendancy to create a loop and let it > run, with all the varied, "added" parts, for the length of a piece. > For my own compositons, of late, I have been working with loops > which I "fly" in and out of a piece, adding color and texture, > rather than being a static event which I add to or play over. Having > the ability to run multiple loops in parallel means I can fade in and > out short loops to add color/contrast, density, accompaniment, and > texture to a solo bass piece. I can "remove" them from the piece, and > yet bring them back at a different point in the performance to provide > a sense of continuity. This makes the "loop" interactive with my own > playing, and hopefully, when done right, it is seamless enough to not > stand out from the rest of the "played" performance ( in what the > audience may percieve as "canned"). That's exactly the same thing I was talking about doing with the Repeater. I'll readily admit that I don't do much composition, just improvisation. Just a reflection of what a poor musician I am, but that's how it works out. Therefore I do much better with a layer by layer approach, where I can react to what I'm hearing in the previous layers. An approach where I had to play some exact part for each layer, and remove this one at this time and that one at another time, then replace this, or mangle that, and a bunch of precision things just would never come off right for me. However, I watched Phil Keaggy do this kind of thing a few months back, seemlessly, using just an old Lexicon Jamman. I honestly couldn't figure out how he was doing some of the stuff he was doing, but it sure sounded nice. But he was using his loops to make background parts within his precomposed music, so I'm presuming that he had his "tricks" well rehearsed ahead of time. That's an example of someone employing looping in a "traditional pop music" format (which was discussed in a previous thread), where things are all planned out, and it worked great for him. I guess the only answer is to look at the way your musical mind works, how you approach things, and adapt your looping techniques (and looping equipment) to best accomodate your individual approach to the music. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 19:08:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97N4Rb01812; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200310072304.h97N4QU01789@hemlock.violacea.com> X-WM-Posted-At: inregina.com; Tue, 7 Oct 03 16:59:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:59:03 -0600 Sender: kam6 From: kam6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00103014 Subject: Echoplex DP instant replay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h97N4QU01789 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello - I have an EDP whiteface which I bought about 2 years ago. The problem I have is that I haven’t found an “instant replay”, on its loopmaking capabilities. I explain: With a regular delay, we hit the note and replay immediately starts, length based on the feedback amount and the ms/sec amount of delay available. On the EDP, we have to first hit “record”, play the note, then hit “record” again, and only then the loop replay starts. The above on the EDP causes a hassle. If I’m swelling notes with a volume pedal and only one foot is available, I have to actually stop the action on the pedal in order to hit the “record” button again. This creates a gap in the performance. On the King Crimson video “Three Of A Perfect Pair – Live In Japan” of 1986, we can see Robert Fripp starting the show with a looping sequence. Fripp is just swelling notes and they get instantly recorded and replayed. Then he starts soloing atop of the loop. There are no gaps in his performance – whatever unit he is using has that “instant replay” capability (16-sec DD?) This is the type of looping I want to get with the EDP, without hitting the “record” button twice. Does anybody know if the EDP can do the above “instant replay”? Does it have any “infinite” mode? If not, which unit can do this? Thanks in advance. Carlos Najar __________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE web-based e-mail access at: http://www.inregina.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 19:48:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97NWVg05322; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:32:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:31:48 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Yes, I did call you a fool, for you don't seem to interested in anything more than "gainsaying", not "discussing". Everyone on this list knows what kind of behavior Mark S. consistantly engaged in, so don't ANYBODY give me this "Jeff incited it" bullshit. Like I said "Pull your head out". We were "discussing" apathy, defined by Webster as "lack of interest / listless condition/ indifference" in this context, people sitting idly by while some "adult" apparantly still stuck in the "terrible two's" runs roughshod over anyone's feelings at any time of his choosing, with no consequences, and no one gives a shit enough to say,"wait a minute, that's not acceptable". Would it really consume that many calories for one or several members to do that? It's clear that Kim will never set any boundaries on this list; the only other alternative is for the "community" (whatever that is) to set its own agreed-upon minimum standards of civility. If that's not possible, then this "community" is doomed; it is diseased at the root. I've been here what, 3-4 months now, and I've seen probably half a dozen folks unsub in disgust. Well, pat yourselves on the back, that's very admirable. I know I'd want to be a member of your Suthun Gentleman Country Club (NOT!). To the Very Cute Fellows who just thought "why don't you leave then" (see what being around Mark did to you?) I've had my finger on the unsub button at least a dozen times since I joined (pat yourself on the back for that, too) My finger is on the button right now, but I'm waiting for the final, dismissive diss from The Kimster himself before I decide whether to put any more of my attention into this little self-congratulatory clique you got here. Terribly Impressed, Tim In a message dated 10/7/03 12:55:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > Tim, > > Yes, I think that.. and, if I am not mistaken, you just called me a fool > because I didn't kowtow to your ego trip... ;) maybe we should stop filling > the list with this discussion, as I just realized you are exhibiting the > exact behaviours you are condemming... I respect your opinion, but, since > you seem to make use of sarcastic passive agressive statements, and name > calling, I really feel like we aren't having a discussion, at least not > in a form that makes me feel like we will get anywhere... so, let's just > end this with the knowledge that we look at the world differently in regards > to which fights we choose to fight... > > loop on! :) > --part1_195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris,

Yes, I did call you a fool, for you don't seem to interested in anything mo= re than "gainsaying", not "discussing".

Everyone on this list knows what kind of behavior Mark S. consistantly engag= ed in, so don't ANYBODY give me this "Jeff incited it" bullshit. Like I said= "Pull your head out".

We were "discussing" apathy, defined by Webster as "lack of interest / listl= ess condition/ indifference" in this context, people sitting idly by while s= ome "adult" apparantly still stuck in the "terrible two's" runs roughshod ov= er anyone's feelings at any time of his choosing, with no consequences, and=20= no one gives a shit enough to say,"wait a minute, that's not acceptable". Wo= uld it really consume that many calories for one or several members to do th= at? It's clear that Kim will never set any boundaries on this list; the only= other alternative is for the "community" (whatever that is) to set its own=20= agreed-upon minimum standards of civility. If that's not possible, then this= "community" is doomed; it is diseased at the root.

I've been here what, 3-4 months now, and I've seen probably half a dozen fol= ks unsub in disgust. Well, pat yourselves on the back, that's very admirable= . I know I'd want to be a member of your Suthun Gentleman Country Club (NOT!= ).

To the Very Cute Fellows who just thought "why don't you leave then" (see wh= at being around Mark did to you?) I've had my finger on the unsub button at=20= least a dozen times since I joined (pat yourself on the back for that, too)=20= My finger is on the button right now, but I'm waiting for the final, dismiss= ive diss from The Kimster himself before I decide whether to put any more of= my attention into this little self-congratulatory clique you got here.

Terribly Impressed,

Tim



In a message dated 10/7/03 12:55:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.c= om writes:

Tim,

Yes, I think that.. and, if I am not mistaken, you just called me a fool
because I didn't kowtow to your ego trip... ;) maybe we should stop filling<= BR> the list with this discussion, as I just realized you are exhibiting the
exact behaviours you are condemming... I respect your opinion, but, since you seem to make use of sarcastic passive agressive statements, and name
calling, I really feel like we aren't having a discussion, at least not
in a form that makes me feel like we will get anywhere... so, let's just
end this with the knowledge that we look at the world differently in regards=
to which fights we choose to fight...

loop on! :)


 --part1_195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 19:53:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97NmSh07984; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:47:50 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9.386be98d.2cb4aaa6_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c9.386be98d.2cb4aaa6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/03 4:33:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com writes: > Like I said "Pull your head out". > > For those not familiar with that term, it means "Pull your head out of YOUR ASS". --part1_c9.386be98d.2cb4aaa6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/7/03 4:33:54 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, Fsksync@aol.com writes:

Like I said "Pull your head out= ".



For those not familiar with that term, it means "Pull your head out of YOUR=20= ASS". --part1_c9.386be98d.2cb4aaa6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 19:59:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97NuIT09779; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:55:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <195.20b1aaf4.2cb4a6e4@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you've only been here 3-4 months, then you really don't know what behavior Mark S. has "consistently engaged in." Mark was subscribed for a very long time, as have I. Years in fact. Though Mark may have reacted ( or acted) strongly, he also has spent considerable time sharing his knowledge on this list. Mark is usually one of the guys to reply when a new member asks some basic question that everyone else has seen a million times. And Chris seems to have tried to present his differing viewpoint in a reasonable and non "drama queen" sort of way, ideally we'd all discuss differences of opinion in a similar manner. Mark On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 04:31 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > Everyone on this list knows what kind of behavior Mark S. consistantly > engaged in, > > I've been here what, 3-4 months now, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 20:03:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9800Vd11666; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:00:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:00:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031008000025.74155.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/7/03 4:33:54 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com > writes: > > > Like I said "Pull your head out". > > > > > > For those not familiar with that term, it means > "Pull your head out of YOUR > ASS". Perhaps you could post a video clip to demonstate the proper technique. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 20:15:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h980Cjf12964; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:12:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1a1.1b2b521d.2cb4afd7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:09:59 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a1.1b2b521d.2cb4afd7_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <-IxTrC.A.dKD.9Z1g_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a1.1b2b521d.2cb4afd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/03 4:57:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mlandman@sonic.net writes: > If you've only been here 3-4 months, then you really don't know what > behavior Mark S. has "consistently engaged in." > Consistantly during 3-4 months works for me, dude. Heaven help those who've endured it for longer. Blah Blah Blah. Johhny Rotten should kick your arses! Tim --part1_1a1.1b2b521d.2cb4afd7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/7/03 4:57:01 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, mlandman@sonic.net writes:

If you've only been here 3-4 mo= nths, then you really don't know what
behavior Mark S. has "consistently engaged in."


Consistantly during 3-4 months works for me, dude. Heaven help those who've=20= endured it for longer.

Blah Blah Blah.

Johhny Rotten should kick your arses!

Tim --part1_1a1.1b2b521d.2cb4afd7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 20:17:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h980Blb12850; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1df.1127b66e.2cb4b020@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:11:12 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1df.1127b66e.2cb4b020_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <8DCro.A.pID.DZ1g_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1df.1127b66e.2cb4b020_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come on over to my video studio, John, and we'll tape a demo with you as subject. Tim In a message dated 10/7/03 5:01:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes: > --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 10/7/03 4:33:54 PM Pacific > >Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com > >writes: > > > >>Like I said "Pull your head out". > >> > >> > > > >For those not familiar with that term, it means > >"Pull your head out of YOUR > >ASS". > > Perhaps you could post a video clip to demonstate > the proper technique. > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > --part1_1df.1127b66e.2cb4b020_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Come on over to my video studio, John, and we'll tape=20= a demo with you as subject.

Tim



In a message dated 10/7/03 5:01:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wedgehed@yahoo.= com writes:

--- Fsksync@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 10/7/03 4:33:54 PM Pacific
>Daylight Time, Fsksync@aol.com
>writes:
>
>>Like I said "Pull your head out".
>>
>>
>
>For those not familiar with that term, it means
>"Pull your head out of YOUR
>ASS".

Perhaps you could post a video clip to demonstate
the proper technique.

John

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John Tidwell


 --part1_1df.1127b66e.2cb4b020_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 21:42:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h981XOo24585; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:33:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:33:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c38d3c$26c05940$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <200310072304.h97N4QU01789@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex DP instant replay Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:33:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd suggest that you record an empty loop first, ending with Overdub, and then feed your volume swells into that open loop. Set your feedback wherever you want it... from 100% (probably what you are referring to as "infinite mode") to 0% (only a single repeat of your phrases will play back). Something in between will allow you to change the melodic character of the loop over time, as previous repetitions fade away. Basically, that's the same as setting a certain m/sec of delay on a traditional echo/delay unit. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "kam6" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Echoplex DP instant replay Hello - I have an EDP whiteface which I bought about 2 years ago. The problem I have is that I haven't found an "instant replay", on its loopmaking capabilities. I explain: With a regular delay, we hit the note and replay immediately starts, length based on the feedback amount and the ms/sec amount of delay available. On the EDP, we have to first hit "record", play the note, then hit "record" again, and only then the loop replay starts. The above on the EDP causes a hassle. If I'm swelling notes with a volume pedal and only one foot is available, I have to actually stop the action on the pedal in order to hit the "record" button again. This creates a gap in the performance. On the King Crimson video "Three Of A Perfect Pair - Live In Japan" of 1986, we can see Robert Fripp starting the show with a looping sequence. Fripp is just swelling notes and they get instantly recorded and replayed. Then he starts soloing atop of the loop. There are no gaps in his performance - whatever unit he is using has that "instant replay" capability (16-sec DD?) This is the type of looping I want to get with the EDP, without hitting the "record" button twice. Does anybody know if the EDP can do the above "instant replay"? Does it have any "infinite" mode? If not, which unit can do this? Thanks in advance. Carlos Najar __________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE web-based e-mail access at: http://www.inregina.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 22:13:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h982AIY30215; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:10:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:09:59 EDT Subject: Re: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e6.3fae52cb.2cb4cbf7_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e6.3fae52cb.2cb4cbf7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/03 12:55:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > Yes, I think that.. and, if I am not mistaken, you just called me a fool > because I didn't kowtow to your ego trip Chris, I also called you a fool because you apparantly think that someone yelling "Fuck You!" at another list member qualifies as an "opionion", while I see it as aberrational behavior. Apathy. Tim --part1_e6.3fae52cb.2cb4cbf7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/7/03 12:55:12 PM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes:

Yes, I think that.. and, if I a= m not mistaken, you just called me a fool
because I didn't kowtow to your ego trip


Chris, I also called you a fool because you apparantly think that someone ye= lling "Fuck You!" at another list member qualifies as an "opionion", while I= see it as aberrational behavior. Apathy.

Tim --part1_e6.3fae52cb.2cb4cbf7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 22:27:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h982NRm32068; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <73.35d8008a.2cb4cefc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:22:52 EDT Subject: Re: How do you approach looping composition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_73.35d8008a.2cb4cefc_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_73.35d8008a.2cb4cefc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/03 4:44:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cristian@accord.it writes: > I couldn't stop playing and letting the loop go! cristian.....i think i said the exact same thing a few weeks ago and i have been "live looping" for a bunch-o-years.....be thankful for this observation so soon into your looping addiction!.....:).....michael --part1_73.35d8008a.2cb4cefc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/7/0= 3 4:44:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cristian@accord.it writes:


I couldn't stop playing and let= ting the loop go!


cristian.....i think i said the exact same thing a few weeks ago and i have=20= been "live looping" for a bunch-o-years.....be thankful for this observation= so soon into your looping addiction!.....:).....michael --part1_73.35d8008a.2cb4cefc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 7 23:20:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h983FpS08419; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.352a632e.2cb4db5d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:15:41 EDT Subject: goin back to cali, to cali, to cali To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <2tsuh.A.cDC.nF4g_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just got in from work.....begining a weeks vay-k.....im off to santa cruz to see rick, chris, bill, steve, stan, matt, ted, gary and GOD ONLY KNOWS who else.....hear some loopin.....do some loopin.....yap and carry on.....i'm psyched!.....GOOD CLEAN FUN!.....yipeeeeee.....michael (never a bride, always a bridesmaid).....:? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 01:03:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h984tp322866; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:55:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:55:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:55:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--765083131 Subject: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE From: John Metzler To: Loopers Delight Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-82SXC.A.MlF.Wj5g_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--765083131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Good News everyone. If you would like to buy an EchoPlex manual for the EDP's running Loop IV, now you can. They are $30 by way of a credit card. The saintly gentleman to contact for one of these magnificent manifestos is Shane, with British Audio Service (Of America). Here is his email address; shane@britishaudioservice.com The sooner a bunch of us order them the sooner he'll be able to ascertain the demand and order them up. ---John M. --Apple-Mail-4--765083131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Good News everyone. If you would like to buy an EchoPlex manual for the EDP's running Loop IV, now you can. They are $30 by way of a credit card. The saintly gentleman to contact for one of these magnificent manifestos is Shane, with British Audio Service (Of America). Here is his email address; shane@britishaudioservice.com The sooner a bunch of us order them the sooner he'll be able to ascertain the demand and order them up. ---John M. --Apple-Mail-4--765083131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 01:47:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h985i6S29785; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:44:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:44:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <50.2320f68c.2cb4fe1d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:43:57 EDT Subject: RE: Chris Roberts responds to the sound of a bell and expects a scoobie snack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_50.2320f68c.2cb4fe1d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10717 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_50.2320f68c.2cb4fe1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, it's been said that you can judge a man by his enemies. It would therefore seem that Mark Sottilaro's stature is rising by the minute. And Chris, thank you for your attempt to bring some reasonableness to this thread. Wasted, apparently, on the likes of Mr. fsksync, who is more like sarcastilaro (I LOVE that handle) than he would care to admit. Steve > Chris, > > Yes, I did call you a fool, for you don't seem to interested in anything > more than "gainsaying", not "discussing". > > Everyone on this list knows what kind of behavior Mark S. consistantly > engaged in, so don't ANYBODY give me this "Jeff incited it" bullshit. Like I > said > "Pull your head out". > > We were "discussing" apathy, defined by Webster as "lack of interest / > listless condition/ indifference" in this context, people sitting idly by > while some > "adult" apparantly still stuck in the "terrible two's" runs roughshod over > anyone's feelings at any time of his choosing, with no consequences, and no > one > gives a shit enough to say,"wait a minute, that's not acceptable". Would it > really consume that many calories for one or several members to do that? > It's > clear that Kim will never set any boundaries on this list; the only other > alternative is for the "community" (whatever that is) to set its own > agreed-upon > minimum standards of civility. If that's not possible, then this "community" > is > doomed; it is diseased at the root. > > I've been here what, 3-4 months now, and I've seen probably half a dozen > folks unsub in disgust. Well, pat yourselves on the back, that's very > admirable. I > know I'd want to be a member of your Suthun Gentleman Country Club (NOT!). > > To the Very Cute Fellows who just thought "why don't you leave then" (see > what being around Mark did to you?) I've had my finger on the unsub button > at > least a dozen times since I joined (pat yourself on the back for that, too) > My > finger is on the button right now, but I'm waiting for the final, dismissive > > diss from The Kimster himself before I decide whether to put any more of my > attention into this little self-congratulatory clique you got here. > > Terribly Impressed, > > Tim > > --part1_50.2320f68c.2cb4fe1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, it's been said that yo= u can judge a man by his enemies.  It would therefore seem that Mark So= ttilaro's stature is rising by the minute.

And Chris, thank you for your  attempt to bring some reasonableness to=20= this thread.
Wasted, apparently, on the likes of  Mr. fsksync, who is more like sarc= astilaro (I LOVE that handle) than he would care to admit.

Steve



Chris,

Yes, I did call you a fool, for you don't seem to interested in anything more than "gainsaying", not "discussing".

Everyone on this list knows what kind of behavior Mark S. consistantly
engaged in, so don't ANYBODY give me this "Jeff incited it" bullshit. Like I= said
"Pull your head out".

We were "discussing" apathy, defined by Webster as "lack of interest /
listless condition/ indifference" in this context, people sitting idly by wh= ile some
"adult" apparantly still stuck in the "terrible two's" runs roughshod over <= BR> anyone's feelings at any time of his choosing, with no consequences, and no=20= one
gives a shit enough to say,"wait a minute, that's not acceptable". Would it=20=
really consume that many calories for one or several members to do that? It'= s
clear that Kim will never set any boundaries on this list; the only other alternative is for the "community" (whatever that is) to set its own agreed-= upon
minimum standards of civility. If that's not possible, then this "community"= is
doomed; it is diseased at the root.

I've been here what, 3-4 months now, and I've seen probably half a dozen folks unsub in disgust. Well, pat yourselves on the back, that's very admira= ble. I
know I'd want to be a member of your Suthun Gentleman Country Club (NOT!).
To the Very Cute Fellows who just thought "why don't you leave then" (see what being around Mark did to you?) I've had my finger on the unsub button a= t
least a dozen times since I joined (pat yourself on the back for that, too)=20= My
finger is on the button right now, but I'm waiting for the final, dismissive=
diss from The Kimster himself before I decide whether to put any more of my=20=
attention into this little self-congratulatory clique you got here.

Terribly Impressed,

Tim



 --part1_50.2320f68c.2cb4fe1d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 02:39:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h986aSn06831; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:36:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:36:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: ot:arnie Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:38:15 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: E69cl4ZDQezU7ksRCnWwsbt6MH0CkJAprp7AF3vgcnvyYDL3Hui7Qi@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think many of you are in California ... so ... congrats to you for the new governator ... ... = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 03:07:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9875GT12270; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:05:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031008011345.019e2be0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:13:45 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Gig Spam - Boulder - this Friday!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey All, Chris Filben and I will be performing a bit at the Boulder co-op at 1904 Pearl Street in Boulder CO this Friday evening, from 7 to 9 PM. The co-op is actually a grocery, but has a way hip little cafe where we'll be playing. The way our lil' flier reads is, get this, An evening with Mae Hong Sun, - ethno-ambient sound worlds! lol! -Hellaciously funky lil' spin!, eh?! lol! Trust me, we'll get pretty dark, and it won't be just ambient. -I'll even be throwing in a bit of glitch! oh!, the horror! lol! woohoo! Chris, as some of you may know, is a looping bassist, whom I've had the pleasure of playing with for a few months now, who has a solo dark ambient bass CD out, on which he even does some very cool covers from Hendrix, all looped of course. WE'll be touching on all sorts of ideas during the evening. -Chinese, Indian, Arabic, and Turkish influences. -not to mention a healthy dose of odd-time signature groove-oriented interlocking guitar and bass ideas. Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h987bbs16387; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:37:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:37:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:37:33 EDT Subject: Gone To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a9.494f0c47.2cb518bd_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a9.494f0c47.2cb518bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GATE GATE PARAGATE PARASAMGATE BODHI SVAHA! --part1_a9.494f0c47.2cb518bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GATE
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BODHI SVAHA! --part1_a9.494f0c47.2cb518bd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 03:41:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h987c1M16493; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:37:49 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a3.49e7d6b9.2cb518cd_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a3.49e7d6b9.2cb518cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_a3.49e7d6b9.2cb518cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe --part1_a3.49e7d6b9.2cb518cd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 04:39:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h988Ut826338; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:30:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:30:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:30:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C38D3B.CBB94750" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcONWJJwwl3D/NMgS+KqI4ALsGKBZwAHVJEw In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <36Ay_D.A.abG._s8g_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C38D3B.CBB94750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if this has been covered already - I haven't been paying too much attention to the list but I am a bit confused regarding this post. Since I have the Echoplex Manual for my Blonde Loop III EDP, when I upgrade to Loop IV will I be up to speed in the manual department - or is this $30 manual needed after my Loop IV purchase? _____ From: John Metzler [mailto:jarofjam@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:56 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE Good News everyone. If you would like to buy an EchoPlex manual for the EDP's running Loop IV, now you can. They are $30 by way of a credit card. The saintly gentleman to contact for one of these magnificent manifestos is Shane, with British Audio Service (Of America). Here is his email address; shane@britishaudioservice.com The sooner a bunch of us order them the sooner he'll be able to ascertain the demand and order them up. ---John M. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C38D3B.CBB94750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry if this has been covered = already – I haven’t been paying too much attention to the list but I am a = bit confused regarding this post. Since I have the Echoplex Manual for my = Blonde Loop III EDP, when I upgrade to Loop IV will I be up to speed in the = manual department – or is this $30 manual needed after my Loop IV = purchase?

 

 

 

From: John = Metzler [mailto:jarofjam@mac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October = 07, 2003 9:56 PM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: EDP Loop IV = Manuals AVAILABLE

 

Good News everyone.
If you would like to buy an EchoPlex manual for the EDP's running Loop = IV, now you can. They are $30 by way of a credit card. The saintly gentleman to = contact for one of these magnificent manifestos is Shane, with British Audio = Service (Of America). Here is his email address;
shane@britishaudioservice.com
The sooner a bunch of us order them the sooner he'll be able = to ascertain the demand and order them up.

---John M.

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C38D3B.CBB94750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 05:01:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h988wPB29360; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:58:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:58:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:58:16 +0200 (MEST) From: "Stephen Parsick" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Echoplex DP instant replay X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <5623.1065603496@www35.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, the last time I saw Bob Fripp he had a stack of TC 2290 delays but, to my surprise, no EDPs, Jam Men or similar devices. I´ve never worked with these 2290s but they might do the "instant playback" thingie, being digital delay lines in the first place. The problem about the 2290 is, I think, that it´s hard to upgrade them to maximum memory of 64 (?) secondsbecause the upgrades are no longer available. I´m quite sure that anyone who owns a fully loaded 2290 will not part with it, neither for love nor for cash. All in all I think both units, EDP and 2290, do their job well but they were designed with different ideas in mind, the 2290 being a full-blown digital delay line with all the bells and whistles you´d expect from such a high-end device while the Echoplex was more aimed at doing the loop and phrase playback routine (I hope I´m not stepping on anybody´s toes by saying so?). There are certainly areas where both would do the same thing but at some points two roads will diverge to different directions 8). Stephen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kam6" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:59 AM Subject: Echoplex DP instant replay > Hello - I have an EDP whiteface which I bought about 2 years ago. The problem > I have is that I haven't found an "instant replay", on its loopmaking > capabilities. I explain: > > With a regular delay, we hit the note and replay immediately starts, length > based on the feedback amount and the ms/sec amount of delay available. On the > EDP, we have to first hit "record", play the note, then hit "record" again, > and only then the loop replay starts. > > The above on the EDP causes a hassle. If I'm swelling notes with a volume > pedal and only one foot is available, I have to actually stop the action on > the pedal in order to hit the "record" button again. This creates a gap in the > performance. > > On the King Crimson video "Three Of A Perfect Pair - Live In Japan" of 1986, > we can see Robert Fripp starting the show with a looping sequence. Fripp is > just swelling notes and they get instantly recorded and replayed. Then he > starts soloing atop of the loop. There are no gaps in his performance - > whatever unit he is using has that "instant replay" capability (16-sec DD?) > This is the type of looping I want to get with the EDP, without hitting the > "record" button twice. > > Does anybody know if the EDP can do the above "instant replay"? Does it have > any "infinite" mode? If not, which unit can do this? Thanks in advance. > > > Carlos Najar > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE web-based e-mail access at: > http://www.inregina.com > > -- "Der Mensch ist eine Krankheit, das Geschwür dieses Planeten, ihr seid wie die Pest. Und wir sind die Heilung." (Agent Smith / Matrix) "Human beings are a desease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.nodular.de Coming soon: www.doombient.com NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 05:06:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9894aE31268; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex DP instant replay Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:04:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcONenVMMOx6Gjx7RBaYmibDPAiiLgAAEKGg In-Reply-To: <5623.1065603496@www35.gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9894ZU31241 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wouldn't you be able to just start an empty loop on the EDP before you begin to play, trigger overdub when you reach the desired loop length then begin your volume swells? By the way - you failed to bring up a very strong point regarding Fripp. He sits down when he plays so both feet are free to roam around :) :::----- Original Message ----- :::From: "kam6" :::To: :::Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:59 AM :::Subject: Echoplex DP instant replay ::: ::: :::> Hello - I have an EDP whiteface which I bought about 2 years ago. The :::problem :::> I have is that I haven't found an "instant replay", on its loopmaking :::> capabilities. I explain: :::> :::> With a regular delay, we hit the note and replay immediately starts, :::length :::> based on the feedback amount and the ms/sec amount of delay available. :::On :::the :::> EDP, we have to first hit "record", play the note, then hit "record" :::again, :::> and only then the loop replay starts. :::> :::> The above on the EDP causes a hassle. If I'm swelling notes with a :::volume :::> pedal and only one foot is available, I have to actually stop the :::action :::on :::> the pedal in order to hit the "record" button again. This creates a gap :::in :::the :::> performance. :::> :::> On the King Crimson video "Three Of A Perfect Pair - Live In Japan" of :::1986, :::> we can see Robert Fripp starting the show with a looping sequence. :::Fripp :::is :::> just swelling notes and they get instantly recorded and replayed. Then :::he :::> starts soloing atop of the loop. There are no gaps in his performance - :::> whatever unit he is using has that "instant replay" capability (16-sec :::DD?) :::> This is the type of looping I want to get with the EDP, without hitting :::the :::> "record" button twice. :::> :::> Does anybody know if the EDP can do the above "instant replay"? Does it :::have :::> any "infinite" mode? If not, which unit can do this? Thanks in advance. :::> :::> :::> Carlos Najar :::> :::> __________________________________________________________________ :::> Get your FREE web-based e-mail access at: :::> http://www.inregina.com :::> :::> ::: :::-- :::"Der Mensch ist eine Krankheit, das Geschwür dieses Planeten, ihr seid :::wie die Pest. Und wir sind die Heilung." (Agent Smith / Matrix) ::: :::"Human beings are a desease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a :::plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) ::: :::Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.nodular.de ::: :::Coming soon: www.doombient.com ::: :::NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... :::Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService ::: :::Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net ::: :::+++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++ ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 05:09:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9897GO31676; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:07:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:07:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex DP instant replay Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:07:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcONenVMMOx6Gjx7RBaYmibDPAiiLgAAPNIA In-Reply-To: <5623.1065603496@www35.gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9897GU31652 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Stephen Parsick [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] :::Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:58 AM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Echoplex DP instant replay I´m quite sure that anyone who owns a fully loaded :::2290 :::will not part with it, neither for love nor for cash. You can find these on Ebay all the time. Why lookie here : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561611471&category=38070 :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 05:57:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h989rkp04274; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:53:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:53:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <198.20b58673.2cb538a2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:53:38 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_198.20b58673.2cb538a2_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_198.20b58673.2cb538a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_198.20b58673.2cb538a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe --part1_198.20b58673.2cb538a2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 06:36:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98AYZv10518; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: 8 Oct 2003 10:34:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20031008103427.15796.qmail@webmail1.knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ot:arnie References: <> In-Reply-To: <> X-Mailer: Knology Webmail Nov 2001 Release X-IPAddress: 198.78.253.20 X-Sender: paulrichard10@knology.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought he was the "grope-enator"! On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:38:15 +0200, "Michael Peters" wrote : > I think many of you are in California ... so ... congrats to you for the new > governator ... ... > > = michael peters > = www.michaelpeters.de > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 07:35:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98BX9k17645; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:33:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:33:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C38D8F.F238E300" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38D8F.F238E300 Content-Type: text/plain In 3-4 months you also haven't learned how to unsubscribe. -DM -----Original Message----- From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38D8F.F238E300 Content-Type: text/html Message
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C38D8F.F238E300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 07:46:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98BiNc18837; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d501c38d91$558ec4a0$b562f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200309300016.h8U0GgY06863@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Timothy's last missive and an invitation to the whole LOOPERS DELIGHT COMMUNITY Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:43:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Timothy asked me to post this for him as he is unsubscribing. I find myself in the funny position of being friends with both Timothy and Mark Sottilaro. Personally, I was a little bummed out by both of their attitudes towards each other (and other people ) here but that is because I desire unity and peace in our community. I promised Timothy I would post this for him after I tried in vain to dissuade him from unsubscribing so I am doing it. I don't endorse what he says and am sad that he is leaving but so be it. So here's my plea: Let's make a vow to moderate ourselves. Let's take the high road and cease and desist from name calling from now on in Loopers Delight. Kim will never moderate this list nor tolerate a moderator so we are just going to have to act like the community that we all wish to live in: a community based on mutual respect. I know people love to think of themselves as provacateurs in here at times, but I would only ask that you think about how hurtful a thing might be taken. To have controversy and disagreement is one thing. To callously trash someone is incredibly narcissitic in my opinion......................it is both unnecessary and uncalled for in a mutually repectful community. I love this community. I wish to preserve it. Let's all work together to keep the vibe on the up and up. There, I've said my two cents.............................LOL ************************************************************* Now, if it's your thing and you can stand festival length sets of incredibly creative and diverse artists from this community, wing your way to Santa Cruz, California this weekend................we're going to burn it up for three straight days beginning Friday night at the Cayuga Vault. It's going to be great.............I can feel it already. I'm also extremely excited to say that it looks like the wonderful looping musician James Sidlo (of Honey Barbara fame) is considering flying in from San Antonio, Texas at the last minute to perform on Sunday. What a thrill for me personally, I really dig Honey Barbara's intelligent avante pop/loopy sensibity: One of my top five desert island discs from this live looping community.............come check him out if he decides if he can swing the trip. yours, Rick Walker (ps www.looppool.com for revised Y2K3 Loopfest scheduling as of tomorrow evening (wednesday) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 07:51:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98Bl4N19268; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:47:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:47:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 06:47:01 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't realize it was so expensive to make a manual? Is there anyway we can just get an electronic version and save the cost of printing and shipping? (unless of course this is being considered a profit making venture) Steve On 10/7/03 11:55 PM, "John Metzler" wrote: > Good News everyone. > If you would like to buy an EchoPlex manual for the EDP's running Loop > IV, now you can. They are $30 by way of a credit card. The saintly > gentleman to contact for one of these magnificent manifestos is Shane, > with British Audio Service (Of America). Here is his email address; > shane@britishaudioservice.com > The sooner a bunch of us order them the sooner he'll be able to > ascertain the demand and order them up. > > ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 08:22:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98CKe824674; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:20:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:20:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: message from Electro Harmonix!! Message-ID: <1065615148.3f83ff2c69742@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:12:28 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 195.68.59.9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got this message this morning from Mike Matthews,great guru from EH,and it's good news!!! Look: ----- Mensaje reenviado por Mike Matthews <> ----- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:22:58 -0400 From: Mike Matthews <> Reply-To: Mike Matthews <> Subject: Re: Hi Mike... To: smaug@servidor.unam.mx a "super" 16 second will be out around February Rock & Roll, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: Hi Mike... > > > > Hey Mike, > > Hope everything is well, I wrote a message to your company ages ago and you > where very kind to respond me personally, (I hope this address is still working) > > I'm writing you directly because I want to know what Sovtek amps are still in > production,I was interested in a EH cabinet but I recieved a very short message > from New sensor Info telling me that they not longer carry them (even if they > are advertised in their web site)Nor most of the Sovtek amp series,it seems weird. > > Finally,like everybody else in this planet I want to know if other EH classics > are being reissued,mostly things like the 16 second delay or the Minisynth, and > what other cool products are in the oven... > > Hope to hear from you soon, > > > Andy Soto > > ------------------------------------------------- > Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx > UNAMonos Comunicándonos > ----- Fin del Mensaje reenviado ----- ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 11:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98EuCR12584; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:56:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:56:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Timothy's last missive and an invitation to the whole LOOPERS DELIGHT COMMUNITY Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:56:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2003 14:56:02.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A8298F0:01C38DAC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Let's make a vow to moderate ourselves. Second! Nic >From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Timothy's last missive and an invitation to the whole LOOPERS >DELIGHT COMMUNITY >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:43:03 -0700 > >Timothy asked me to post this for him as he is unsubscribing. > >I find myself in the funny position of being friends with both Timothy and >Mark Sottilaro. >Personally, I was a little bummed out by both of their attitudes towards >each other (and other people ) >here but that is because I desire unity and peace in our community. > >I promised Timothy I would post this for him after I tried in vain to >dissuade him from unsubscribing >so I am doing it. I don't endorse what he says and am sad that he is >leaving but so be it. > >So here's my plea: > >Let's make a vow to moderate ourselves. > >Let's take the high road and cease and desist from name calling from now on >in Loopers Delight. > >Kim will never moderate this list nor tolerate a moderator so we are just >going to have to act like the >snip _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 11:09:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98F3XO15017; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:03:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:03:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031008150327.14006.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: ot:arnie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031008103427.15796.qmail@webmail1.knology.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6wLGlD.A.fqD.FdCh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul wrote: > I thought he was the "grope-enator"! According to the demos, his correct title is gropen-fuerher. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 11:52:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98Fjwu20566; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:45:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:45:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex DP instant replay Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:45:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2003 15:45:51.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[40599160:01C38DB3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > Does anybody know if the EDP can do the above "instant replay"? Does it >have > > any "infinite" mode? If not, which unit can do this? have you thought of the possibility of useing a regular deley unit up front before the signal gets to the edp? this way you could get your swell loop up and running then transfare it to the edp? I know its a bit more complex then just gettingthe unit to trigger itself but it might work in a push??? Phill _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 12:25:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98GIpg27429; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.10f06932.2cb592c1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:18:09 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K3 (was) Timothy's last . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h98GIoU27405 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, In a message dated 10/8/03 4:52:26 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: >I'm also extremely excited to say that it looks like the wonderful >looping musician James Sidlo (of Honey Barbara fame) is considering >flying in from San Antonio, Texas at the last minute to perform on >Sunday. What a thrill for me personally, I really dig Honey Barbara's >intelligent avante pop/loopy sensibity I only have their "I-10 & Wave Ave." disc that came free with a year's subscription to Emigre magazine a couple annums back. Quite cool stuff really. I hope he does decide to come on out. What a treat! As for the rest of it, I am in shock and awe that "sombody" stuck me in the "Night of the Looping Guitarists" -- smack dab bwetween "Mr. Ambient' himself, Mark Hamburg and the redoubtable "Mr. Tone," aka Bill Walker (no wonder Seymour Duncan has him play in his NAMM booth). Talk about yer fear and trepidation. 3 more days to go . . I'd beter start duting off the gear and practicing up -- or working on a good excuse at least, huh? (Heheh) But I am totally into hearing everyone else too (hearing/seeing what the returnees bring back this year . . . and then checking out all the newbies and Y2K3 first-timers too). I'm quite hyped about the coming weekend of loopiness. I've heard so much about Brian Kenney Fresno I can hardly wait. The possible addition of Sidlo would be terrific. How are you gonna top this next year Rick? Evenings of Torn, Tibbets, Frisell and Klobuchar? Oh yeah . . . guitarist Michael K. is performing THIS year already (on Sunday afternoon at 2:30, I believe). See ya soon Michael! I'm lookin' forward to it. Be there or be square, y'all! Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 12:26:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98GH8N27006; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:17:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS OC2 pedal query Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:17:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2003 16:17:02.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B698020:01C38DB7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey man, thanks for your time and replys. Ive decided to just buy back the ol danelectro and out up with its glitching. now I have both to compare I think that what might really be going on is that the Dan' BOOSTS the octave signal when applyed where as the OC-2 measures its output reletive to the input so it sounds quieter the I expected. Thanks anyways Phill >From: Aptrev@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: BOSS OC2 pedal query >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:23:01 EDT > > >In a message dated 10/6/03 4:18:04 AM, testtubemicro@hotmail.com writes: > ><< any thoughts on where to go from her? >> > >I have not used the OC2 but I have noticed that some pedals (not only Boss) >seem to act as attenuators and need a preamp to boost the signal. > >Also some pedals will quickly drain or will not work as well if the battery >is even at 3/4 power, but will work ok with wall wart. > >Of course that particular pedal may simply be phucked. >Maybe someone who has used one will respond or perhaps you could go to >local >music shop and test one there. > >regards >BobC > > >visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > > >The Thumb Piano Project >www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject >http://trundlebox.iuma.com >http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 12:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98GPQL28567; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:25:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:25:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:25:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Y2K3 (was) Timothy's last . . . From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ec.10f06932.2cb592c1@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/8/03 9:18 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com at ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > "Mr. > Ambient' himself, Mark Hamburg I guess that pigeonholes me pretty much... ("Another goddamn ambient guitar CD." -- Kim Flint) And I was contemplating the fact that I was coming on just before you. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 12:36:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98GSbR29032; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:28:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:28:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:28:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Y2K3 (was) Timothy's last . . . From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/8/03 9:25 AM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: >> "Mr. >> Ambient' himself, Mark Hamburg > > I guess that pigeonholes me pretty much... ("Another goddamn ambient guitar > CD." -- Kim Flint) Depending on whether I exorcise the demons from my deposition yesterday with a truly unpleasant lawyer, this may be a very bitter and hostile ambient set. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 12:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98GbVk30296; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:37:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:37:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: WWOT RE: arnie Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:37:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2003 16:37:25.0645 (UTC) FILETIME=[749DFBD0:01C38DBA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't blame me - I voted for the other slimy bastard. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:38 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: ot:arnie I think many of you are in California ... so ... congrats to you for the new governator ... ... = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 12:52:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98Glit31802; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:47:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:47:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <160.269d70f3.2cb599a2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:47:30 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_160.269d70f3.2cb599a2_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <75eL0C.A.xwH.w-Dh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_160.269d70f3.2cb599a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/8/03 12:20:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Evenings of Torn, Tibbets, > Frisell and Klobuchar? hey.....i heard of that schlockmeister klobuchar, now who are those other cats?.....:).....ted, thanks for writing that sentence, it's absurd but it looks great!.....see ya in a bit!.....michael p.s. yes it would be wonderful if james sidlo makes the scene --part1_160.269d70f3.2cb599a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/8/0= 3 12:20:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


Evenings of Torn, Tibbets,
Frisell and Klobuchar?


hey.....i heard of that schlockmeister klobuchar, now who are those other ca= ts?.....:).....ted, thanks for writing that sentence, it's absurd but it loo= ks great!.....see ya in a bit!.....michael
p.s. yes it would be wonderful if james sidlo makes the scene --part1_160.269d70f3.2cb599a2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 13:12:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98H5bI03299; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.12227d4e.2cb59dd3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:23 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K3 (was) Timothy's last . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h98H5aU03274 Resent-Message-ID: <0OJLhD.A.az.hPEh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 10/8/03 9:34:52 AM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >I guess that pigeonholes me pretty much... Ooops. I guess I didn't consider that aspect. I'm sure you do many things besides that. It's just that all I've heard so far is pretty ambient(ish) -- which I DO NOT connect to anything negative at all -- being a big fan of "ambient" misic via Eno, Fripp, Brook and Lanois (among others) for many, many years. I guess what I was thinking more of was the contrasts. Both of you guys are smooth and tastefull players . . . I'm sortta scabby and chaotic (who knows what I'll do . . . or what sortta noises I'll be mangling out of my guitar from moment to moment). I don't even know myself. Who knows if it will even be music? Anywho, please accept my apologies if you realy felt "pigeon- holed" -- that was certainly not my intention, but the furthest thing from it. I truly dig what both of you do . . . wholeheartedly! That's what tends to inspire all the anxiety. Looking on the bright side however, it's likely we won't be treading similar sonic territory at least. Folks will just remember me as the idiot who drove everyone from the venue for about a half hour betwixt yours and Bill's wonderful performances. Sincerely, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 13:20:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98HC2Y04131; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:12:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:12:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.3f474c89.2cb59f41@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:11:29 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K3 (was) Timothy's last . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h98HC2U04106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Marko, In a message dated 10/8/03 9:36:51 AM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >Depending on whether I exorcise the demons from my deposition >yesterday with a truly unpleasant lawyer, this may be a very >bitter and hostile ambient set. Ahhh. Ambient with a bad attitude. That's what I like! Music less suited for the Jacuzzi than for the cannibal's cauldron. Play on! Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 13:45:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98Hfoc08127; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:41:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:41:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F844C7A.5000807@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:42:18 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com Organization: Rosewoodblues LTD. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex DP instant replay References: <200310072304.h97N4QU01789@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200310072304.h97N4QU01789@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have you tried setting a recording threshold? you can set it to only record once an audio threshold is reached. of course you have to press record the first time. i have doen this by setting the threashold on the EDP and hitting the record button. i haven't just left it record enabled and then seen if the recording stopped once the audio falls below the threshold (interesting if it can be implemented in verions V). i don't think this will get exactly where you are heading but it might help. ken; kam6 wrote: >Hello - I have an EDP whiteface which I bought about 2 years ago. The problem >I have is that I haven’t found an “instant replay”, on its loopmaking >capabilities. I explain: > >With a regular delay, we hit the note and replay immediately starts, length >based on the feedback amount and the ms/sec amount of delay available. On the >EDP, we have to first hit “record”, play the note, then hit “record” again, >and only then the loop replay starts. > >The above on the EDP causes a hassle. If I’m swelling notes with a volume >pedal and only one foot is available, I have to actually stop the action on >the pedal in order to hit the “record” button again. This creates a gap in the >performance. > >On the King Crimson video “Three Of A Perfect Pair – Live In Japan” of 1986, >we can see Robert Fripp starting the show with a looping sequence. Fripp is >just swelling notes and they get instantly recorded and replayed. Then he >starts soloing atop of the loop. There are no gaps in his performance – >whatever unit he is using has that “instant replay” capability (16-sec DD?) >This is the type of looping I want to get with the EDP, without hitting the >“record” button twice. > >Does anybody know if the EDP can do the above “instant replay”? Does it have >any “infinite” mode? If not, which unit can do this? Thanks in advance. > > >Carlos Najar > >__________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE web-based e-mail access at: > http://www.inregina.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 14:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98I0S213004; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex DP instant replay with swell Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:00:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcONxcKi2zrdr/S0R9a5L6xIHg7QlQAADleg In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <_DioRC.A.ELD.8CFh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have any unpredictable moments with this setup. :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] :::Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:57 AM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: RE: Echoplex DP instant replay with swell ::: :::If you have the unit set to threshold activation and use a volume pedal :::to :::swell, the beginning of record will be unpredictable-- :::Not that that is necessarily a bad thing-- :::Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 14:04:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98Hv2N11133; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:57:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex DP instant replay with swell Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:56:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3F844C7A.5000807@rosewoodblues.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you have the unit set to threshold activation and use a volume pedal to swell, the beginning of record will be unpredictable-- Not that that is necessarily a bad thing-- Gary ---Original Message----- From: Ken Hawkins wrote: have you tried setting a recording threshold? you can set it to only record once an audio threshold is reached. of course you have to press record the first time. i have doen this by setting the threashold on the EDP and hitting the record button. i haven't just left it record enabled and then seen if the recording stopped once the audio falls below the threshold (interesting if it can be implemented in verions V). i don't think this will get exactly where you are heading but it might help. ken; kam6 wrote: > >Does anybody know if the EDP can do the above “instant replay”? Does it have >any “infinite” mode? If not, which unit can do this? Thanks in advance. > > >Carlos Najar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 14:21:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98IH3s16273; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:17:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:17:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:17:01 -0700 Subject: Mark and Ted's mutual admiration society (was Re: Y2K3) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7e.3f474c89.2cb59f41@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-5dbx.A.F-D.fSFh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And Ted, you're the one with an album that has actually sold out. Okay. I'm just about out as well, but that was a smaller run and just means I need to burn more. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 14:22:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98IEL115727; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:14:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:14:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:14:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Y2K3 (was) Timothy's last . . . From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1da.12227d4e.2cb59dd3@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/8/03 10:05 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com at ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Mark, > > In a message dated 10/8/03 9:34:52 AM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > >> I guess that pigeonholes me pretty much... > > Ooops. I guess I didn't consider that aspect. I'm sure you do > many things besides that. It's just that all I've heard so far > is pretty ambient(ish) -- which I DO NOT connect to anything > negative at all -- being a big fan of "ambient" misic via Eno, > Fripp, Brook and Lanois (among others) for many, many years. I don't really mind. It is pretty accurate if one had to pick a genre for what I do. > I guess what I was thinking more of was the contrasts. Both of > you guys are smooth and tastefull players . . . Everything I learned, I learned from Bill. ;-) Well, maybe. I was playing ambient stuff well before I was in Santa Cruz. As for driving people from the room, I haven't programmed my new used SansAmp yet, so the loop I just played was pretty noise dominated. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 14:52:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98InSG22076; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:49:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:49:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c38dcc$e58db4e0$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It cost us over $17 for each one when we had 600 printed up for the last batch of EDPs, so I reckon $30 for a small print run is pretty good; it's 310 pages!. I can mail you the PDF version if you like but you'd better have a fast connection and a large mailbox allocation. Same goes for anyone else who wants to give their printer a workout. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ginn [mailto:sginn@mac.com] Sent: 08 October 2003 12:47 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE I didn't realize it was so expensive to make a manual? Is there anyway we can just get an electronic version and save the cost of printing and shipping? (unless of course this is being considered a profit making venture) Steve On 10/7/03 11:55 PM, "John Metzler" wrote: > Good News everyone. > If you would like to buy an EchoPlex manual for the EDP's running Loop > IV, now you can. They are $30 by way of a credit card. The saintly > gentleman to contact for one of these magnificent manifestos is Shane, > with British Audio Service (Of America). Here is his email address; > shane@britishaudioservice.com The sooner a bunch of us order them the > sooner he'll be able to ascertain the demand and order them up. > > ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 15:37:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98JWfq31013; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:32:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:32:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c38de3$7d7a8560$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: , References: <000001c38dcc$e58db4e0$0100a8c0@p4> Subject: Re: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:31:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a 10MB mailbox allocation from Road Runner. Is that enough? Probably not, but you could FTP it to my server, if you know how to do such things. I'd take it as a PDF fer frizzleniznee, as they say. But, if it's all the same, for $30 I'd rather have a printed one. Sign me up. Sign me up. Sign me up. Just once, though. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ewen" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: RE: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE > It cost us over $17 for each one when we had 600 printed up for the last > batch of EDPs, so I reckon $30 for a small print run is pretty good; > it's 310 pages!. I can mail you the PDF version if you like but you'd > better have a fast connection and a large mailbox allocation. Same goes > for anyone else who wants to give their printer a workout. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Ginn [mailto:sginn@mac.com] > Sent: 08 October 2003 12:47 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE > > > I didn't realize it was so expensive to make a manual? > > Is there anyway we can just get an electronic version and save the cost > of printing and shipping? > > (unless of course this is being considered a profit making venture) > > Steve > > > On 10/7/03 11:55 PM, "John Metzler" wrote: > > > Good News everyone. > > If you would like to buy an EchoPlex manual for the EDP's running Loop > > > IV, now you can. They are $30 by way of a credit card. The saintly > > gentleman to contact for one of these magnificent manifestos is Shane, > > > with British Audio Service (Of America). Here is his email address; > > shane@britishaudioservice.com The sooner a bunch of us order them the > > sooner he'll be able to ascertain the demand and order them up. > > > > ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 16:12:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98K5ih09047; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:05:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:05:41 -0700 Subject: Echoplex input issues From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I noted about a month ago, something is going on with one of my Echoplexes where the input essentially shuts down. The input light glows, but nothing makes it into the loop. After a couple weeks, it more or less mysteriously fixed itself but it's now happened two more times in relatively rapid succession. Each time I've gotten in back by booting up with the parameter and record buttons pressed, but even this hasn't always worked. Is there a reliable way to reboot the machine when it happens? Is there a specific hardware problem I should be worrying about? I've exchanged sporadic e-mail with Shane at Gibson, but I'd like to find an answer or a work around that made me more confident for Friday's show. I can swap back to my older EDP, but it has heat sensitivity problems. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 17:38:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98Ka5915167; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:36:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:36:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012101c38ddb$9d6804e0$3b61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310081135.h98BZPb17889@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: california: hell in a hand basket? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:34:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL, Mark Hamburg just sent me this URL: http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/mapB.htm It shows the areas in Red as places where people voted predominantly for Bustamente. and areas in Green represent GropenFuhrer territory. LOL I will call everyone's attention to the fact that this weekends' Y2K3 Festival is smack dab in the middle of the teensy, weensy island of red on the map. A tiny island of radicals, hippies, cultish religious groups, proud gay, lesbian and transgender groups, tree huggers and.............................yep...............................live loopers.................LOL Face it folks...................we're freaks here in Northern California................and proud of it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 17:47:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98LdDQ28931; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: california: hell in a hand basket? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:39:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <012101c38ddb$9d6804e0$3b61f93f@global> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2003 21:39:07.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[99EB2410:01C38DE4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I need to warn you Rick - check the map again. You're actually on the southernmost tip of the gropen-free zone. Those radically conservative lettuce pickers to your south will be swallowing Santa Cruz county as soon as the state sponsored steroids kick in. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: california: hell in a hand basket? LOL, Mark Hamburg just sent me this URL: http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/mapB.htm It shows the areas in Red as places where people voted predominantly for Bustamente. and areas in Green represent GropenFuhrer territory. LOL I will call everyone's attention to the fact that this weekends' Y2K3 Festival is smack dab in the middle of the teensy, weensy island of red on the map. A tiny island of radicals, hippies, cultish religious groups, proud gay, lesbian and transgender groups, tree huggers and.............................yep...............................live loopers.................LOL Face it folks...................we're freaks here in Northern California................and proud of it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 19:01:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98Mu0Z10328; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:56:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:56:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <42.3eee8491.2cb5eff5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:55:49 EDT Subject: Re: Mark and Ted's mutual admiration society To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h98Mu0U10301 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 10/8/03 11:18:51 AM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >And Ted, you're the one with an album that has actually sold out. Oh I still have a few left. Maybe if I pay folks to take 'em I can unload 'em in Santa Cruz. They make nice, durable coasters . . . or extra large earring hoops . . . or shiny, shiny miniature frisbees. Played on a standard player they become (in effect) music as pest control -- the last disc you'll ever have to play when you want to get rid of those last few annoying party guests who refuse to take a hint and leave . . . or music to instantly give your spouse a headache. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 19:16:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98N9ZC13965; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:09:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:09:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:09:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000001c38dcc$e58db4e0$0100a8c0@p4> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2003 23:09:29.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[39F1AB80:01C38DF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How big is it? Is it a "image" pdf, or a "text" pdf? Proper formating of a pdf file can cut megabytes off it, as well as making it a more useful electronic document. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE It cost us over $17 for each one when we had 600 printed up for the last batch of EDPs, so I reckon $30 for a small print run is pretty good; it's 310 pages!. I can mail you the PDF version if you like but you'd better have a fast connection and a large mailbox allocation. Same goes for anyone else who wants to give their printer a workout. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ginn [mailto:sginn@mac.com] Sent: 08 October 2003 12:47 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE I didn't realize it was so expensive to make a manual? Is there anyway we can just get an electronic version and save the cost of printing and shipping? (unless of course this is being considered a profit making venture) Steve On 10/7/03 11:55 PM, "John Metzler" wrote: > Good News everyone. > If you would like to buy an EchoPlex manual for the EDP's running Loop > IV, now you can. They are $30 by way of a credit card. The saintly > gentleman to contact for one of these magnificent manifestos is Shane, > with British Audio Service (Of America). Here is his email address; > shane@britishaudioservice.com The sooner a bunch of us order them the > sooner he'll be able to ascertain the demand and order them up. > > ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 19:30:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98NOEq16341; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:24:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031008220457.12538.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: california: hell in a hand basket? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Next thing you know, you'll be annexing Nevada and Oregon. --- Jonathan wrote: > > I think I need to warn you Rick - check the map again. You're actually > on the southernmost tip of the gropen-free zone. Those radically > conservative lettuce pickers to your south will be swallowing Santa Cruz > county as soon as the state sponsored steroids kick in. > > bIz > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: california: hell in a hand basket? > > > LOL, > > Mark Hamburg just sent me this URL: > > http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/mapB.htm > > It shows the areas in Red as places where people voted predominantly for > Bustamente. > and areas in Green represent GropenFuhrer territory. LOL > > I will call everyone's attention to the fact that this weekends' Y2K3 > Festival is smack dab in the middle of the teensy, weensy island of red > on the map. > > A tiny island of radicals, hippies, cultish religious groups, proud gay, > lesbian and transgender groups, tree huggers > and.............................yep...............................live > loopers.................LOL > > Face it folks...................we're freaks here in Northern > California................and proud of it. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 19:36:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98NXB517598; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:33:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:33:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014201c38e05$56e673b0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20031008220457.12538.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: california: hell in a hand basket? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:33:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hell, Bush and Blair already annexed Afghanistan and Iraq, what's stopping the GropenFuhrer from taking some little states like Nevada and Oregon? Uh, and I did some looping today... Straying from topic, Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:04 PM Subject: RE: california: hell in a hand basket? > Next thing you know, you'll be annexing Nevada and Oregon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 19:54:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h98Np6A19949; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:51:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:51:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01bc01c38df6$cc8efce0$3b61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310081135.h98BZPb17889@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: TIMOTHY's farewell letter........and an apology from mr. space cadet, himself Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:49:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <3ugEmC.A.i3E.qLKh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I said that I was forwarding Timothy's last letter to the group and I forgot to hit Control V and actually paste the thing into my letter. I'm a little too stressed about this weekend...................huge apologies Timothy (if indeed you are still subscribed). ****************************** ****************************** Rick~ That's OK, I'm done with the list, had quite enough of it all. It's not worth it to me to remain. Hell, you can ramp up the criticism 1000% and I won't cry. but I don't give a crapola for the so-called community of apathetic children you got there. I also don't care who was a member for 100 years; wrong is wrong, people who won't step up and defend those who are being wronged are just as wrong, etc. I was being intentionally provocative, just to see if ANYONE on the list had any balls at all. Well well well, I saw all I wanted to see. 3 guys out of how many? I'm so impressed. I'm not interested in "community", heck, not really even interested in "society". Y'all can have em both! And I'm quite capable and willing to call a spade a spade. I'll wrestle anyone to the mat for the elderly, gay, infirmed, disabled, etc. It was interesting for a while, and I really appreciate the fact that you were concerned yesterday that I was going to un-sub, but like I said, life IS too short to waste on such nonsense. I respect your desire to make peace and smooth things out, but a boot up the arse has it's uses also, and I got no problem doing that when necessary. My role model is Arjuna. Sorry to burst your bubble re my interest level in "community". It's a pleasant fantasy, but the LD "community" IS diseased, and nothing can fix that, because it stems from its creator. As they say, the "foot vote" is the most powerful of all. Mine are walking away, to join the other wise folks who unsubbed in disgust. I'm also sorry if I offended you in my assessment of the "community", but it really is a clique. I wouldn't even offer my music to that group. I don't make my music for "musicians" anyway. Oh well. See you on da flipped side! Best, Timothy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 20:04:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9900U122432; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:00:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:00:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: TIMOTHY's farewell letter........and an apology from mr. space cadet, himself Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:00:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <01bc01c38df6$cc8efce0$3b61f93f@global> Thread-Index: AcON9zOuln14qdIESdy2hxwexvZDYwAAGr3g Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody else find this just a tad funny? I mean it's just an e-mail list. Get over it. If he takes it this seriously I can imagine the turmoil in his real life. Just like on every list there are always going to be differing opinions that sometimes become combative. For the most part this is probably the best behaved and most informative list I belong to. Tim's loss. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 20:24:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h990KxF25065; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F84A9E2.30609@oracle.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:20:50 -0700 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TIMOTHY's farewell letter........and an apology from mr. space cadet, himself References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-NAh2B.A.eHG.rnKh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I just joined 3 days ago and I guess it was bad timing. ;-) I'm very much looking forward to the informative part. Now behave yourselves, ya bunch o' loopers. see you in Santa Cruz, gfd | SquidLoop | wrote: >Does anybody else find this just a tad funny? I mean it's just an e-mail >list. Get over it. If he takes it this seriously I can imagine the turmoil >in his real life. > >Just like on every list there are always going to be differing opinions that >sometimes become combative. For the most part this is probably the best >behaved and most informative list I belong to. > >Tim's loss. > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 20:45:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h990fA728044; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:41:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:41:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:39:23 -0700 Subject: Re: TIMOTHY's farewell letter........and an apology from mr. space cadet, himself From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F84A9E2.30609@oracle.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6ogL8.A.D2G.l6Kh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well i dont comment much but this is a great group o' peeps!! i love the info passed on and the give/take of the participants... people come-people go like anything else. loopon see everybody this loopee wknd... -- stanitarium > Well, I just joined 3 days ago and I guess it was bad timing. ;-) > > I'm very much looking forward to the informative part. > > Now behave yourselves, ya bunch o' loopers. > > see you in Santa Cruz, > > gfd > > > > | SquidLoop | wrote: > >> Does anybody else find this just a tad funny? I mean it's just an e-mail >> list. Get over it. If he takes it this seriously I can imagine the turmoil >> in his real life. >> >> Just like on every list there are always going to be differing opinions that >> sometimes become combative. For the most part this is probably the best >> behaved and most informative list I belong to. >> >> Tim's loss. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 21:02:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h990xRG32420; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:59:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.1a96b7f8.2cb60cc9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:58:49 EDT Subject: Re: california: hell in a hand basket? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h990xRU32396 Resent-Message-ID: <3OQdzD.A.b6H.vLLh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh? In a message dated 10/8/03 4:26:05 PM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: >Next thing you know, you'll be annexing Nevada and Oregon. Well, them ducks 'n' beavers up here are an independent bunch. Good luck. I always thought of myself as still a Californian (even though I moved to Oregon 6 years ago). I may not be entirely happy up here in the Great Green North but I am beginning to think I got outta the "Golden State" just in time. Hehehe. Happy recall! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 21:05:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9913Od00905; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.3ff32d15.2cb60dc6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:03:02 EDT Subject: OT: 2 new Songs by The Crime ( a JCP band ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1065661382" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 1110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1065661382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, More quasi - new John Cecil Price ( well...it is actually old archive LIVE material from almost one yr. ago ) music from THE CRIME. THE CRIME features ex - AKASH alums - Elliott Levin on Spoken Word(s), Flute, Tenor & Soprano Saxophones; Mr. Charles DuQuesne ( of Sugarsmack Daddy, For & The LP's ) plays drums & percussion; John Cecil Price ( AKASH, TOBM, White Girl, 929 Blessings ), plays Electric Guitar, Guitar Synth/Samples, Guitar Loops. & so dig it baby, you can now download 2 CRIME songs for FREE: *(NOTE: the sound quality is not exactly perfect, but rather the intensity of the performance THE CRIME gave is captured completely in its raw essence on these tracks ). Song Number One: "Sitting Bull" Think All instrumental - Epic Prog Rock that is blowin' somewhere in the vein of "In The Court", era KC &/or Early Genesis; Sitting Bull is mega-heavy on the ambient undercurrrents, ( long flute solo baby ) but the song is moving ( it rocks ) and is meant as a song for inspiration to stand in defiance to the advance of globalism: http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?item_id=54890&user=Jprice01 Song Number Two: "Above & Beyond" Think Political-Social Commentary, Spoken Word, Melodic Pop/Jazz Phrasings sans f/x and truly awe inspiring improvisations: http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?item_id=54893&user=Jprice01 THE CRIME WILL SEEYA @ THE ROTUNDA ( PHILADELPHIA, PA; USA - NOV. 1, 2003 ) "Remember to Always Kill Your Expectations" JOHN CECIL PRICE http://zed.cbc.ca/displayUser.do?user_id=18853&user=Jprice01 -------------------------------1065661382 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey gang,
 
More quasi - new John Cecil Price ( well...it is actually old arch= ive LIVE material from almost one yr. ago ) music from THE CRIME.
 
THE CRIME features ex - AKASH alums - Elliott Levin on Spoken=
Word(s), Flute, Tenor & Soprano Saxophones; Mr. Charles DuQues= ne ( of Sugarsmack Daddy, For & The LP's ) plays drums & percus= sion; John Cecil Price ( AKASH, TOBM, White Girl, 929 Blessings ), play= s Electric Guitar, Guitar Synth/Samples, Guitar Loops.
 
& so dig it baby, you can now download 2 CRIME songs for FREE:
 
*(NOTE: the sound quality is not exactly perfect,= but rather the intensity of the performance THE CRIME gave is captured comp= letely in its raw essence on these tracks ).
 
              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;     Song Number One:
 
              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;         "Sitting Bull"
 
Think All instrumental - Epic Prog Rock that is blowin' somewhere in th= e vein of "In The Court", era KC &/or Early Genesis; Sitting Bull i= s mega-heavy on the ambient undercurrrents, ( long flute solo baby ) but the= song is moving ( it rocks ) and is meant as a song for inspiration to stand= in defiance to the advance of globalism: http://zed.cbc.ca/disp= layContent.do?item_id=3D54890&user=3DJprice01 
 
            = ;            &nb= sp;           Song Number=20= Two:
 
            = ;            &nb= sp;          "Above &=20= Beyond"
 
Think Political-Social Commentary, Spoken Word, Melodic Pop/Jazz Phrasi= ngs sans f/x and truly awe inspiring improvisations: http:/= /zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?item_id=3D54893&user=3DJprice01
 
              &n= bsp; THE CRIME WILL SEEYA @ THE ROTUNDA
            = ;    ( PHILADELPHIA, PA; USA - NOV. 1, 2003 )
 
              &n= bsp; "Remember to Always Kill Your Expectations"
            = ;            &nb= sp;       JOHN CECIL PRICE
-------------------------------1065661382-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 21:32:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h991S7w04972; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.121b2046.2cb6138b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:27:39 EDT Subject: Re: Mark and Ted's mutual admiration society/ Can i get a piece?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <1ONe4D.A.hNB.nmLh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like "Flux Aeternal" because I really dig Sonny Sharrock and Manuel Gottsching (Ashra Tempel). I still love listening to it!!!!! Cheers, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 23:31:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h993MW324705; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:22:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:22:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c38e14$548ca760$81635cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <20031008220457.12538.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: california: hell in a hand basket? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:20:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" > Next thing you know, you'll be annexing Nevada and Oregon. Naw! California wants Colorado to take its water!! ;-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 8 23:50:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h993ll028110; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <188.1fef181b.2cb63452@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:30 EDT Subject: Re: Mark and Ted's mutual admiration society/ Can i get a piece?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h993lkU28087 Resent-Message-ID: <_48wLB.A.G3G.jpNh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James, In a message dated 10/8/03 6:29:44 PM, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: >I like "Flux Aeterna" because I really dig Sonny Sharrock and >Manuel Gottsching (Ashra Tempel). I still love listening to it!!!!! And I was just listening to your "I-10 & Wave Ave" this morning. Rick mentioned that you might play Y2K3 this weekend in Santa Cruz. It would be a real treat to hear/see you perform. Hope you're able to make it. Maybe I can buy a CD or 2. I always spend more money at these things on music than I do on food -- despite all the CD swapping going on. Oh, and good job spotting the obscure influences. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 03:11:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9976pF27273; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:06:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:06:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:06:48 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Jamman Midi Sync From: Olle Niklasson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <263E995F-FA27-11D7-99F5-000393554810@home.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all I'm currently in a project where we use two Mac PowerBooks running Live in sync (midi) and myself, as musician using a Jamman for treated saxes and flute. I've used the loop-function to layer sax riffs and this has worked fine at a couple rehearsals. Yesterday, all of a sudden, it wont sync to midi. The loop beat starts to drift immediately and after 8-10 bars it's out of sync to almost a 1/32 note. Has anybody experienced Jamman falling out of midi sync? Has anybody got a solution? (We've got a major gig on Saturday...) best regards OllE Olle Niklasson Sound editor MacWorld Sweden +46 733 60 96 96 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 03:26:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h997Mnv29440; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:22:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:22:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Joking! I repeat, laugh and delete. From: John Metzler To: Loopers Delight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <60D0165C-FA29-11D7-81B5-000393D7CC50@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did someone say they had a '72 Ford Falcon for sale? (He,he,he,ha,ha,HAAAAA.......) ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 04:06:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9982p406595; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:02:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:02:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:02:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: EDP MultiIncrease From: John Metzler To: Loopers Delight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone. I haven't dug too deep into Loop IV, in fact , I hardly scratched the surface of Loop III before upgrading. But if I only upgraded after mastery then I'd still be trying to figure out what all the extra buttons on my high school calculator are for instead of sending emails from my Mac. So here's my question. It confuses me when I want to multiply my loop 4 cycles by using the MultiIncrease and after the second press of Multiply it starts running numbers. What's going on? If I continue just tapping out the Multiplys it works, I see the C but I want to understand what is happening. What does the manual mean by "The Echoplex begins Rounding off the multiply, just as it always has." By the way, I have Quantize = CYC. ---John M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 04:37:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h998T4111582; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:29:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:29:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031009082858.17985.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Joking! I repeat, laugh and delete. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <60D0165C-FA29-11D7-81B5-000393D7CC50@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2IJczD.A.w0C.QxRh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Metzler wrote: > Did someone say they had a '72 Ford Falcon for sale? > > (He,he,he,ha,ha,HAAAAA.......) I don't know, but I think someone said I had balls. Now all I need is a playing field. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 04:57:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h998rVU17268; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:53:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:53:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <170.24aef752.2cb67c00@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:53:20 EDT Subject: RE: TIMOTHY's farewell letter........and an apology from mr. space cadet, himse To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_170.24aef752.2cb67c00_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10717 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_170.24aef752.2cb67c00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, a tad . . . well . . . perplexing. I tune in to this list to learn a few looping tricks and the next thing I know it appears there's a mid-life crisis goin on. I'm real sorry to see these guys go because they were both excellent posters. Mark's post about the Ford falcon (the one that started the whole brouhaha) was actually pretty hilarious. Sarcastic? Deservedly so, yes. But funny. I mean, who else but Mark would tie together the Repeater, the Echo Pro, and a Ford Falcon? His frustrations really came out after that, though. Too bad. But, i guess these lists often become places where we express ourselves in ways we don't feel free to in our regular circles. Frustrations with our music, and maybe our personal lives, maybe come out more easily here. All well and good, I say, as long as personal attacks are strictly avoided. Sarcasm and even criticism can be OK - as long as it's light and non-judgemental. No hitting below the belt, OK? Pretty simple stuff, really. Steve In a message dated 10/9/2003 12:17:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Does anybody else find this just a tad funny? I mean it's just an e-mail > list. Get over it. If he takes it this seriously I can imagine the turmoil > in his real life. > > Just like on every list there are always going to be differing opinions that > sometimes become combative. For the most part this is probably the best > behaved and most informative list I belong to. > > Tim's loss. > > --part1_170.24aef752.2cb67c00_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, a tad . . . well . . . perplexing.

I tune in to this list to learn a few looping tricks and the next thing I kn= ow it appears there's a mid-life crisis goin on.

I'm real sorry to see these guys go because they were both excellent posters= .  Mark's post about the Ford falcon (the one that started the whole br= ouhaha) was actually pretty hilarious.  Sarcastic?  Deservedly so,= yes.  But funny.  I mean, who else but Mark would tie together th= e Repeater, the Echo Pro, and a Ford Falcon?  His frustrations really c= ame out after that, though.  Too bad. 

But, i guess these lists often become places where we express ourselves in w= ays we don't feel free to in our regular circles.  Frustrations with ou= r music, and maybe our personal lives, maybe come out more easily here. = ; All well and good, I say, as long as personal attacks are strictly avoided= . Sarcasm and even criticism can be OK -  as long as it's light and non= -judgemental.

No hitting below the belt, OK?  Pretty simple stuff, really.

Steve

In a message dated 10/9/2003 12:17:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Deli= ght-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:


Does anybody else find this jus= t a tad funny? I mean it's just an e-mail
list. Get over it. If he takes it this seriously I can imagine the turmoil in his real life.

Just like on every list there are always going to be differing opinions that=
sometimes become combative. For the most part this is probably the best
behaved and most informative list I belong to.

Tim's loss.



 --part1_170.24aef752.2cb67c00_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 08:23:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99CK2i28114; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:20:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:20:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:20:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Echoplex input issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200310090711.h997B4g27666@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, the same thing is happening to one of my edp's, an oberheim one. it still is not working. i have called 'british audio service', the company that does repairs for gibson products but they have not returned my call, and i am getting impatient. would you have a contact at gibson you could forward me privately? this is driving me crazy. best, laurent On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 03:11 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Mark Hamburg > Date: Wed Oct 8, 2003 4:05:41 PM US/Eastern > To: "Looper's Delight" > Subject: Echoplex input issues > > > As I noted about a month ago, something is going on with one of my > Echoplexes where the input essentially shuts down. The input light > glows, > but nothing makes it into the loop. After a couple weeks, it more or > less > mysteriously fixed itself but it's now happened two more times in > relatively > rapid succession. Each time I've gotten in back by booting up with the > parameter and record buttons pressed, but even this hasn't always > worked. Is > there a reliable way to reboot the machine when it happens? Is there a > specific hardware problem I should be worrying about? > > I've exchanged sporadic e-mail with Shane at Gibson, but I'd like to > find an > answer or a work around that made me more confident for Friday's show. > I can > swap back to my older EDP, but it has heat sensitivity problems. > > Thanks. > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 09:53:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99Do8v08657; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:50:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:50:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1065707393!3611417 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AA0@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:45:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C38E6B.907AD600" Resent-Message-ID: <44ifgB.A.KHC.QeWh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E6B.907AD600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I believe that http://www.newegg.com has Simpletech cards available that work in most all configurations (backwards, stereo, etc).<< both my repeaters have simpletech 128Mb cards, and they've both reported "cfc slow" during normal operations, like running backwards pitch-shifted and recording in stereo at the same time. (when I say "normal", I mean normal-to-a-looping-musician). I tried a TDK 256 and it was hopeless. I'd make damn sure I needed that much loop storage "online" before investing in one of the larger cards; you might be better off with a small pile of 16's or 32's; depends on y'r workflow. in the repeater manual, it tells you what it means when the cfc light is green and what it means when it's red. mine is amber most of the time.... anyone? duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>I believe that http://www.newegg.com has Simpletech cards available =
that work in most all configurations (backwards, stereo,= etc).<<

both my repeaters have simpletech 128Mb cards, and they'v= e both reported "cfc slow" during normal operations, like running= backwards pitch-shifted and recording in stereo at the same time. (when I = say "normal", I mean normal-to-a-looping-musician).

I tried a TDK 256 and it was hopeless. I'd make damn sure= I needed that much loop storage "online" before investing in one= of the larger cards; you might be better off with a small pile of 16's or = 32's; depends on y'r workflow.

in the repeater manual, it tells you what it means when t= he cfc light is green and what it means when it's red. mine is amber most o= f the time.... anyone?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E6B.907AD600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 10:04:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99Dxuq11329; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:59:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1065707984!3608866 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AA1@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: message from Electro Harmonix!! Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:55:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C38E6C.F0CC9F60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E6C.F0CC9F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>a "super" 16 second will be out around February<< the hell with arnie and california's unfortunate history, gubernorially-speaking. this news is surely way more important. it's great to see EH back up and running. I bought a black-finger tube compressor the other week and will be looking to acquire a bass micro-synth soon, to add to my vintage "low frequency compressor" (a genuine rarity, I'm told) and the peculiar sequencer with the cork drum-pad on the front. these are the people who made the world's most famous fuzz-box; there should be a public holiday in their honour, I reckon. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E6C.F0CC9F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: message from Electro Harmonix!!

>>a  "super"  16 second will be= out around February<<

the hell with arnie and california's unfortunate history,= gubernorially-speaking. this news is surely way more important. it's great= to see EH back up and running. I bought a black-finger tube compressor the= other week and will be looking to acquire a bass micro-synth soon, to add = to my vintage "low frequency compressor" (a genuine rarity, I'm t= old) and the peculiar sequencer with the cork drum-pad on the front. these = are the people who made the world's most famous fuzz-box; there should be a= public holiday in their honour, I reckon.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E6C.F0CC9F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 11:20:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99FEmr23899; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex input issues Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: <010101c38e78$160baef0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regarding the old edp unit, i have an old oberheim edp and i made the voltage regulator change suggested on the ld edp pages. it was real easy and it runs nice and cool now. later i made the all the other edp page suggested mods and replaced the crystals. i still had occasional weirdness, but after i added the loop 4 upgrade, everything has been peachy... i'm betting the eproms weren't seated well or something. good luck... > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 PM > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: Echoplex input issues > > > As I noted about a month ago, something is going on with one > of my Echoplexes where the input essentially shuts down. The > input light glows, but nothing makes it into the loop. After > a couple weeks, it more or less mysteriously fixed itself but > it's now happened two more times in relatively rapid > succession. Each time I've gotten in back by booting up with > the parameter and record buttons pressed, but even this > hasn't always worked. Is there a reliable way to reboot the > machine when it happens? Is there a specific hardware problem > I should be worrying about? > > I've exchanged sporadic e-mail with Shane at Gibson, but I'd > like to find an answer or a work around that made me more > confident for Friday's show. I can swap back to my older EDP, > but it has heat sensitivity problems. > > Thanks. > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 11:39:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99FRBJ25543; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:27:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:28:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Echoplex input issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <010101c38e78$160baef0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <3FF28DE0-FA6D-11D7-ADB0-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have two EDPs and I've noticed over the years that sometimes the memory SIMMs (or whatever they are, DIMMs?) get unseated or oxidized or something and need to be re-seated. When they get loose all sorts of strange behavior occurs. I also had one of these (memory SIMMs) go bad once. Again the problem manifested itself in all sorts of strange ways. As the last poster mentioned, EPROMs can also become unseated and cause evil to occur. On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 10:14 AM, Jim Palmer wrote: > regarding the old edp unit, i have an old oberheim edp and i > made the voltage regulator change suggested on the ld edp pages. > it was real easy and it runs nice and cool now. > > later i made the all the other edp page suggested mods > and replaced the crystals. > > i still had occasional weirdness, but after i > added the loop 4 upgrade, everything has been peachy... > i'm betting the eproms weren't seated well or something. > > good luck... > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:06 PM >> To: Looper's Delight >> Subject: Echoplex input issues >> >> >> As I noted about a month ago, something is going on with one >> of my Echoplexes where the input essentially shuts down. The >> input light glows, but nothing makes it into the loop. After >> a couple weeks, it more or less mysteriously fixed itself but >> it's now happened two more times in relatively rapid >> succession. Each time I've gotten in back by booting up with >> the parameter and record buttons pressed, but even this >> hasn't always worked. Is there a reliable way to reboot the >> machine when it happens? Is there a specific hardware problem >> I should be worrying about? >> >> I've exchanged sporadic e-mail with Shane at Gibson, but I'd >> like to find an answer or a work around that made me more >> confident for Friday's show. I can swap back to my older EDP, >> but it has heat sensitivity problems. >> >> Thanks. >> Mark >> > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 11:51:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99Fh1O27588; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:43:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:43:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c38e7b$ffb0bc00$6601010a@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: Subject: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:42:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all; I'm looking to upgrade from consumer-grade headphones, and am interested in a pair versatile enough for DJing, monitoring during band practice (loud rock and roll), and late-night (let's not wake the house up) studio monitoring at home. Anyone have any recommendations? TIA, gene From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 12:15:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99G98932364; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:09:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031009160901.57879.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AA0@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I believe that http://www.newegg.com has Simpletech cards available > that work in most all configurations (backwards, stereo, etc).<< > > both my repeaters have simpletech 128Mb cards, and they've both reported "cfc > slow" during normal operations, like running backwards pitch-shifted and > recording in stereo at the same time. (when I say "normal", I mean > normal-to-a-looping-musician). > > I tried a TDK 256 and it was hopeless. I'd make damn sure I needed that much > loop storage "online" before investing in one of the larger cards; you might be > better off with a small pile of 16's or 32's; depends on y'r workflow. To my understanding, it's not the size of the card, but which specific chipset it uses. I have 4 cards now, all SimpleTech. The 16mb card that came with the Repeater works fine, as does the first 128MB card I bought. The second 128MB card works ok for mono and non-strenuous use (loop storage), but will occasionally give a SLOW CFC if you try to do stereo or whatever. I just got a new 256MB last week and haven't had a chance to fully exercise it yet, but initial tests look positive (formats, records in stereo, reverse, etc). > in the repeater manual, it tells you what it means when the cfc light is green > and what it means when it's red. mine is amber most of the time.... anyone? Sorry, I don't know that one. I may have seen it, but I just thought it was red. I don't actually look at the thing that much when I'm using it. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 12:22:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99GHnq01102; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:17:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:17:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:16:44 +0000 Subject: Re: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148564604_57532_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148564604_57532_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think amber is read and write at the same time? I'll test and report back. j ---------- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2003, 1:45 pm >>I believe that http://www.newegg.com has Simpletech cards available that work in most all configurations (backwards, stereo, etc).<< both my repeaters have simpletech 128Mb cards, and they've both reported "cfc slow" during normal operations, like running backwards pitch-shifted and recording in stereo at the same time. (when I say "normal", I mean normal-to-a-looping-musician). I tried a TDK 256 and it was hopeless. I'd make damn sure I needed that much loop storage "online" before investing in one of the larger cards; you might be better off with a small pile of 16's or 32's; depends on y'r workflow. in the repeater manual, it tells you what it means when the cfc light is green and what it means when it's red. mine is amber most of the time.... anyone? duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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j

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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card???
Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2003, 1:45 pm



>>I believe that http://www.n= ewegg.com has Simpletech cards available
that work in most all configurations (backwards, stereo, etc).<<

both my repeaters have simpletech 128Mb cards, and they've b= oth reported "cfc slow" during normal operations, like running bac= kwards pitch-shifted and recording in stereo at the same time. (when I say &= quot;normal", I mean normal-to-a-looping-musician).

I tried a TDK 256 and it was hopeless. I'd make damn sure I = needed that much loop storage "online" before investing in one of = the larger cards; you might be better off with a small pile of 16's or 32's;= depends on y'r workflow.

in the repeater manual, it tells you what it means when the = cfc light is green and what it means when it's red. mine is amber most of th= e time.... anyone?

duncan/r.m.i.

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--MS_Mac_OE_3148564604_57532_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 12:51:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99GfKW04761; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:41:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:41:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:40:15 +0000 Subject: Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148566015_142399_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148566015_142399_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I settled on Beyer DT-250 headphones.... They have the pedigree of the DT-100 (robust spare parts available etc.) with a sound more suitable for "monitoring" to my ears. They have lashing of low bass and are not artificially enhanced at the top end. My percussionist will use low grade open backs live because they DON'T reproduce all the sound of the drums not do they provide any isolation. Horses for courses. I made my choice by going into my supplier(s) (Studiospares in London) with a specially prepared test Minidisc. I listened to material I knew well on various systems and had a check list for what I wanted to hear clearly in each piece. I made sure I included examples of low bass, metallic percussion, harsh noises, speech and material which would be difficult to mix.... and lots of our own playing. In the end your ears will be the final judge. Worth bearing in mind that headphones good for one application may be quite poor for another. Compare closed headphones with open design ; extended low frequency response might compromise clarity of click track/timing information. Compare DT-100 with DT-250. Best wishes j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: Subject: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2003, 3:42 pm Hi all; I'm looking to upgrade from consumer-grade headphones, and am interested in a pair versatile enough for DJing, monitoring during band practice (loud rock and roll), and late-night (let's not wake the house up) studio monitoring at home. Anyone have any recommendations? TIA, gene --MS_Mac_OE_3148566015_142399_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? I settled on Beyer DT-250 headphones.... They have the pedigree of the DT-1= 00 (robust spare parts available etc.) with a sound more suitable for "= monitoring" to my ears. They have lashing of low bass and are not artif= icially enhanced at the top end. My percussionist will use low grade open ba= cks live because they DON'T reproduce all the sound of the drums not do they= provide any isolation. Horses for courses.

I made my choice by going into my supplier(s) (Studiospares in London) with= a specially prepared test Minidisc. I listened to material I knew well on v= arious systems and had a check list for what I wanted to hear clearly in eac= h piece. I made sure I included examples of low bass, metallic percussion, h= arsh noises, speech and material which would be difficult to mix.... and lot= s of our own playing.

In the end your ears will be the final judge. Worth bearing in mind that he= adphones good for one application may be quite poor for another. Compare clo= sed headphones with open design ; extended low frequency response might comp= romise clarity of click track/timing information. Compare DT-100 with DT-250= .  

Best wishes

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122


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From: "Gene Ehrbar" <gene@anomalyinc.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations?
Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2003, 3:42 pm


Hi all;

I'm looking to upgrade from consumer-grade headphones, and am interested in=
a pair versatile enough for DJing, monitoring during band practice (loud rock and roll), and late-night (let's not wake the house up) studio
monitoring at home.  Anyone have any recommendations?

TIA,
gene






--MS_Mac_OE_3148566015_142399_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 12:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99GiNR05407; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1065717855!3618409 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AAA@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Jamman Midi Sync Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:39:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C38E83.ECB57200" Resent-Message-ID: <_TOKWC.A.ZUB.nBZh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E83.ECB57200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I'm currently in a project where we use two Mac PowerBooks running Live in sync (midi) and myself, as musician using a Jamman for treated saxes and flute. I've used the loop-function to layer sax riffs and this has worked fine at a couple rehearsals. Yesterday, all of a sudden, it wont sync to midi. The loop beat starts to drift immediately and after 8-10 bars it's out of sync to almost a 1/32 note. Has anybody experienced Jamman falling out of midi sync? Has anybody got a solution? (We've got a major gig on Saturday...)<< I know you've already tried both of these things, but try them again in case: get something else- a drum machine, w.h.y.- on the end of the same cable and see if it clocks ok. try another cable. take the midi-through from the jamman into the w.h.y. and see if the clock is still there. the little light on the front of the jamman flashes like crazy (completely useless for playing along with) when there's an external clock. neither of mine have ever drifted in this fashion. I'd be looking at the midi interface or the midi settings within the macs (OMS, is it?) rather than the lexicon. even if you stop the midi clock or yank the cable out, the jamman keeps going at the same speed- I suspect you're not clocking it at all at the moment. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E83.ECB57200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Jamman Midi Sync

>>I'm currently in a project where we use two Mac P= owerBooks running Live
in sync (midi) and myself, as musician using a Jamman fo= r treated saxes
and flute. I've used the loop-function to layer sax riff= s and this has
worked fine at a couple rehearsals. Yesterday, all of a = sudden, it wont
sync to midi. The loop beat starts to drift immediately = and after 8-10
bars it's out of sync to almost a 1/32 note. Has anybody= experienced
Jamman falling out of midi sync? Has anybody got a solut= ion? (We've got
a major gig on Saturday...)<<

I know you've already tried both of these things, but try= them again in case: get something else- a drum machine, w.h.y.- on the end= of the same cable and see if it clocks ok.

try another cable.
take the midi-through from the jamman into the w.h.y. an= d see if the clock is still there. the little light on the front of the jam= man flashes like crazy (completely useless for playing along with) when the= re's an external clock.

neither of mine have ever drifted in this fashion. I'd be= looking at the midi interface or the midi settings within the macs (OMS, i= s it?) rather than the lexicon.

even if you stop the midi clock or yank the cable out, th= e jamman keeps going at the same speed- I suspect you're not clocking it at= all at the moment.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E83.ECB57200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 12:58:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99Goj206642; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:50:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1065718237!1021899 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AAB@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:45:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C38E84.AF968390" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E84.AF968390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>To my understanding, it's not the size of the card, but which specific chipset it uses. I have 4 cards now, all SimpleTech. The 16mb card that came with the Repeater works fine, as does the first 128MB card I bought. The second 128MB card works ok for mono and non-strenuous use (loop storage), but will occasionally give a SLOW CFC if you try to do stereo or whatever. I just got a new 256MB last week and haven't had a chance to fully exercise it yet, but initial tests look positive (formats, records in stereo, reverse, etc).<< agreed re the size issue, i.e. there isn't one. I was suggesting merely that buying smaller cards would be less painful than what I did which was to buy a 256 from a big manufacturer and end up using it in an ixus (100's of photos....) instead because the repeater didn't like it at all. but if you can find a dealer who'll let you bring y'r repeater along and try a few cards.... I doubt that there are any shops in london who've even seen a repeater. I mail-ordered mine and collected it from digital village in barnet- they had no idea what the thing was. the second one was bought off of this list (hooray!) both my 128's must be the new sort. :-( and the 16 was just too small. if only there was a way to install (more) ram in it and just use the cards for offline storage.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E84.AF968390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card???

>>To my understanding, it's not the size of the car= d, but which specific chipset it
uses. I have 4 cards now, all SimpleTech. The 16mb card = that came with the
Repeater works fine, as does the first 128MB card I boug= ht. The second 128MB card
works ok for mono and non-strenuous use (loop storage), = but will occasionally
give a SLOW CFC if you try to do stereo or whatever. I j= ust got a new 256MB last
week and haven't had a chance to fully exercise it yet, = but initial tests look
positive (formats, records in stereo, reverse, etc).<= <

agreed re the size issue, i.e. there isn't one. I was sug= gesting merely that buying smaller cards would be less painful than what I = did which was to buy a 256 from a big manufacturer and end up using it in a= n ixus (100's of photos....) instead because the repeater didn't like it at= all. but if you can find a dealer who'll let you bring y'r repeater along = and try a few cards.... I doubt that there are any shops in london who've e= ven seen a repeater. I mail-ordered mine and collected it from digital vill= age in barnet- they had no idea what the thing was. the second one was boug= ht off of this list (hooray!)

both my 128's must be the new sort. :-( and the 16 was ju= st too small.
if only there was a way to install (more) ram in it and = just use the cards for offline storage....

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C38E84.AF968390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 12:59:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99Gt2207480; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:55:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20031009130640.00aac5d0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:10:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: gig spam - DC friday nite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-LcnyD.A.v0B.mLZh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anti:clockwise with son of earth (flesh on bone) - members of double leopards & dakin squad buttfire at eternal life Eternal Life is located in the gated lot on the right side of the alley between ontario rd & champlain - the entrance to the alley is just beyond Ontario, on the right, it is wedged between an auto body shop and a huge construction site. 9 pm, probably $cheap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 13:07:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99H29Z10159; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:02:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:02:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031009162400.55023.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c38e7b$ffb0bc00$6601010a@BARNEY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Gene Ehrbar wrote: > I'm looking to upgrade from consumer-grade headphones, and am interested in > a pair versatile enough for DJing, monitoring during band practice (loud > rock and roll), and late-night (let's not wake the house up) studio > monitoring at home. Anyone have any recommendations? Much as I hate to buy (or recommend) Sony, due to their politics and position within the recording industry, the 7506 headphones are a great piece of kit. You might try the competing Fostex ones too, I've heard good things about those. AKGs are more neutral sounding, but they don't get the volume as easily and don't seal as well for isolation (well maybe the K270s, but they're much more costly) and it takes a powerful headphone amp to drive 'em. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 13:37:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99HVKA15173; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:31:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:31:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031009161923.66074.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: message from Electro Harmonix!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AA1@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I bought a black-finger tube compressor the other week What's your opinion on the black-finger? I was curiously looking at those in a catalog awhile back, wondered how they sounded. None of the local vendors carry 'em. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 14:21:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99I6U421553; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:06:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031009172808.73482.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AAB@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > if only there was a way to install (more) ram in it and just use the cards for > offline storage.... Oh yeah! That would be sweet! Then you'd never have to worry about CFC speed issues. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 14:47:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99If8o27266; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:41:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:41:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex input issues Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:40:58 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c38e94$e464c860$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'British audio service' is actually Shane, (ex-Gibson service manager), he's just set up the company and is in 'headless chicken mode' I presume. Please be patient, he'll get back to everyone soon. I think Gibson are completely shutting their service dept. but I don't have official details of who's doing what yet. If you e-mail me an address, I'll send out a bunch of new SIMMs and other socketted chips. This may cure your problem and will only take a few minutes to try. No charge for this; I'd rather you keep your sanity ;) Regards, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Laurent Brondel [mailto:laurent@megalink.net] Sent: 09 October 2003 13:20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex input issues mark, the same thing is happening to one of my edp's, an oberheim one. it still is not working. i have called 'british audio service', the company that does repairs for gibson products but they have not returned my call, and i am getting impatient. would you have a contact at gibson you could forward me privately? this is driving me crazy. best, laurent On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 03:11 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Mark Hamburg > Date: Wed Oct 8, 2003 4:05:41 PM US/Eastern > To: "Looper's Delight" > Subject: Echoplex input issues > > > As I noted about a month ago, something is going on with one of my > Echoplexes where the input essentially shuts down. The input light > glows, but nothing makes it into the loop. After a couple weeks, it > more or less > mysteriously fixed itself but it's now happened two more times in > relatively > rapid succession. Each time I've gotten in back by booting up with the > parameter and record buttons pressed, but even this hasn't always > worked. Is > there a reliable way to reboot the machine when it happens? Is there a > specific hardware problem I should be worrying about? > > I've exchanged sporadic e-mail with Shane at Gibson, but I'd like to > find an > answer or a work around that made me more confident for Friday's show. > I can > swap back to my older EDP, but it has heat sensitivity problems. > > Thanks. > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 16:13:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99K11j11270; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:01:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:01:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000b01c38e9f$9c0dcc00$5067fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: Subject: Re: Echoplex DP instant replay Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:58:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Unless he´s in dire need of cash or totally insane", I should have added. Stephen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: RE: Echoplex DP instant replay > > > :::-----Original Message----- > :::From: Stephen Parsick [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] > :::Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:58 AM > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > :::Subject: Re: Echoplex DP instant replay > I´m quite sure that anyone who owns a fully loaded > :::2290 > :::will not part with it, neither for love nor for cash. > > You can find these on Ebay all the time. > > Why lookie here : > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561611471&category=38070 > > > :) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 16:22:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99KHvW14305; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:17:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:17:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:39:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001d01c38e7b$ffb0bc00$6601010a@BARNEY> Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Gene Ehrbar [mailto:gene@anomalyinc.com] > > Hi all; > > I'm looking to upgrade from consumer-grade headphones, and am > interested in > a pair versatile enough for DJing, monitoring during band practice (loud > rock and roll), and late-night (let's not wake the house up) studio > monitoring at home. Anyone have any recommendations? For a long time I used AKG K-270's which are a nice (and VERY comfortable!). But lately I've been liking the Beyerdynmic DT-250 (80 ohm version). It's a closed-type design which is good for recording, or excluding outside noise. It's one of the few phones I've found that have a good punchy bass, without having the bass so hyped that the rest of the mix is distorted. If you really need mega-bass then get the Beyer DT770's, but the DT250's are the best compromise I've found. Not too expensive... about $143 street. The earpads are a little small if you have big ears, otherwise they're pretty comfortable for long sessions. If you need super accurate and transparent-sounding phones, then the gold standard is Sennheiser HD600's. I use those for listening to music, and they're outstanding (if a little shy in the bass). But they're an open design, so they leak too much for tracking. For music production, practicing guitar with my rack setup, etc.... I like the Beyer DT-250's. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 18:15:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99MB9701092; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:11:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:11:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F85DCF5.8040804@oracle.com> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:11:01 -0700 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Along similar lines, does anyone have a good recommendation for portable headphones for travel? I've had a couple of earbud types, which are ok, but I'm looking for a step up in audio quality, something that will work during long flights (some of the earbuds are not very comfortable). I've tried to do serious work with Acid, Reason or softsynths on airplanes but find the the discomfot and ear-fatigue from some headphones makes it impracticle. I've heard mixed reviews on the Sony noise cancellation dealies. Any suggestion would be appreciated. gfd ps. Also, anything that can mask the odd smirk I make when making odd sounds on my laptop on airplanes would be helpful too. ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 18:48:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99Min605799; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:44:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:44:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c38ec7$c0d55b70$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <3F85DCF5.8040804@oracle.com> Subject: Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:45:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got my headphones for free from a local Barnes & Noble bookstore when they upgraded their listening stations in the music department. Sure, they've got 50,000 other people's ear goo on them, but they sound much better than the headphones I didn't have before, and still can't afford now. Love, Gutter Trash J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 19:23:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99NIge12101; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:18:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:18:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031009221859.93125.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F85DCF5.8040804@oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- George Demarest wrote: > Along similar lines, does anyone have a good recommendation for portable > headphones for > travel? I've had a couple of earbud types, which are ok, but I'm > looking for a step up in > audio quality, something that will work during long flights (some of the > earbuds are not very comfortable). How about the Etymotic Research ER4s? Can be used with custom earmolds for ultimate comfort and a serious amount of isolation. http://www.etymotic.com/ > I've heard mixed reviews on the Sony noise cancellation dealies. I've heard good things about them, but haven't used 'em myself. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 20:06:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99NxYj19419; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F85F65E.3080008@oracle.com> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:59:26 -0700 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? References: <20031009221859.93125.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031009221859.93125.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010500090808030401020205" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010500090808030401020205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks, not cheap, but very interesting. gfd Greg House wrote: >--- George Demarest wrote: > > >>Along similar lines, does anyone have a good recommendation for portable >>headphones for >>travel? I've had a couple of earbud types, which are ok, but I'm >>looking for a step up in >>audio quality, something that will work during long flights (some of the >>earbuds are not very comfortable). >> >> > >How about the Etymotic Research ER4s? Can be used with custom earmolds for >ultimate comfort and a serious amount of isolation. http://www.etymotic.com/ > > > >>I've heard mixed reviews on the Sony noise cancellation dealies. >> >> > >I've heard good things about them, but haven't used 'em myself. > >Greg > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > --------------010500090808030401020205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks,  not cheap, but very interesting.

gfd



Greg House wrote:
--- George Demarest <george.demarest@oracle.com> wrote:
  
Along similar lines, does anyone have a good recommendation for portable 
headphones for
travel?  I've had a couple of earbud types, which are ok, but I'm 
looking for a step up in
audio quality, something that will work during long flights (some of the 
earbuds are not very comfortable).
    

How about the Etymotic Research ER4s? Can be used with custom earmolds for
ultimate comfort and a serious amount of isolation. http://www.etymotic.com/

  
I've heard mixed reviews on the Sony noise cancellation dealies. 
    

I've heard good things about them, but haven't used 'em myself.

Greg

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--------------010500090808030401020205-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 9 21:48:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9A1jc303695; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:45:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:45:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:45:33 -0400 Subject: Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: John Metzler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F85DCF5.8040804@oracle.com> Message-Id: <700DD724-FAC3-11D7-81B8-000393D7CC50@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <7f24mB.A.k5.B9gh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently bought the Bose Acoustic Noise Canceling Headphones and am about to embark on a flight from Florida to California. I already thing I'm going to send them back for a refund. They are very comfortable and come with a nice case but the noise canceling is not what I had hoped it would be. Especially for the price. I was testing them the other day. Sitting in my living room with the dishwasher going it cut a lot of the machine noise but it left the running water noise. In my hall way with the bathroom fan and air-conditioner going it cut the amount of sound down, maybe in half but mainly in the mids. I don't know. I think I'll just get my money back and put it towards another EDP. ---John M. On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 06:11 PM, George Demarest wrote: > Along similar lines, does anyone have a good recommendation for > portable headphones for > travel? I've had a couple of earbud types, which are ok, but I'm > looking for a step up in > audio quality, something that will work during long flights (some of > the earbuds are not > very comfortable). > > I've tried to do serious work with Acid, Reason or softsynths on > airplanes but find the the discomfot > and ear-fatigue from some headphones makes it impracticle. > > I've heard mixed reviews on the Sony noise cancellation dealies. Any > suggestion would be appreciated. > > gfd > > ps. Also, anything that can mask the odd smirk I make when making odd > sounds on my laptop > on airplanes would be helpful too. ;-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 10 02:19:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9A6F3q19614; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:15:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c38ef5$a97d51c0$1963f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310092013.h99KD1r13726@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: late breaking news Y2K3 this weekend Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:13:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of my favorite loopers, James Sidlo from San Antonio has just told me that he is flying in to perfrom on Sunday afternoon at 3 at Y2K3 in Santa Cruz. I love his avante pop project Honey Barbara and can highly recommend that people buy it. James asked me if I would play percussion with him on his set and I'm deeply honored and consented. I'm totally excited about this and also had a wonderful day picking up Michael Klobuchar (flying in from Pittsburgh) and Gareth Whittock and his girlfriend, Becky who flew in from Swansea, Wales. Michael's one of my oldest and dearest friends on here (and at the CT Collective) and we have just talked our heads off, excitedly today. Tomorrow's the big day.............soooo much to get accomplished and so little time left............see you all there. yours, Rick ps .............full details of the three day live looping fest at www.looppool.info. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 10 04:27:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9A8Q3D06463; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:22:32 +0200 From: Ron & Nelly Weber Subject: Re: Remove To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ee01c38f08$588000c0$9600000a@weberwanadoo.nl.lan> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030930225135.45420.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 10 05:23:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9A9DfM12334; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:13:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1065777113!3601710 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AAD@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: message from Electro Harmonix!! Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:07:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C38F0D.E3970D20" Resent-Message-ID: <7ydUE.A.mAD.Fhnh_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C38F0D.E3970D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>What's your opinion on the black-finger? I was curiously looking at those in a catalog awhile back, wondered how they sounded. None of the local vendors carry 'em.<< I don't think I'd've put this design into a stomp box- the adjustments are capable of quite a range of results, way beyond the bit of squish one typically needs on a bass. it feels like a rack unit. there're two sorts of compression available, and different fixed ratios for both, so you can use it in "LED" mode for a fairly modern fast response, or "lamp" mode for a gentler sound with a longer release. switching between what I imagine to be two fixed ratios makes much more difference in the latter mode and there's an immediate and enormous level change, which makes the thing difficult to use on stage. also, I noticed some unpleasant distortion at one extreme of the settings, that sounded like a solid-state stage, despite the thing having two 12ax7's poking out of it. there are good settings to be found, for sure, but for a bass player it'll be set-&-forget. a rackmount stereo version would fly off the shelves, but I'm just not sure about it on the floor. still, nice unit, pretty cheap, and it's great to see EH back in business, not least because they appear to be knocking out their own tubes now too. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>What's your opinion on the black-finger? I was cu= riously looking at those in a
catalog awhile back, wondered how they sounded. None of = the local vendors carry
'em.<<

I don't think I'd've put this design into a stomp box- th= e adjustments are capable of quite a range of results, way beyond the bit o= f squish one typically needs on a bass. it feels like a rack unit. there're= two sorts of compression available, and different fixed ratios for both, s= o you can use it in "LED" mode for a fairly modern fast response,= or "lamp" mode for a gentler sound with a longer release. switch= ing between what I imagine to be two fixed ratios makes much more differenc= e in the latter mode and there's an immediate and enormous level change, wh= ich makes the thing difficult to use on stage. also, I noticed some unpleas= ant distortion at one extreme of the settings, that sounded like a solid-st= ate stage, despite the thing having two 12ax7's poking out of it.

there are good settings to be found, for sure, but for a = bass player it'll be set-&-forget. a rackmount stereo version would fly= off the shelves, but I'm just not sure about it on the floor. still, nice = unit, pretty cheap, and it's great to see EH back in business, not least be= cause they appear to be knocking out their own tubes now too.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C38F0D.E3970D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 10 11:52:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9AFj1j09604; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:45:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:45:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.153.247.125] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" Subject: NYC 'looping' gig: Oct 12 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:44:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2003 15:44:54.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[7381AEE0:01C38F45] Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lou Rossi: Touch Guitar, Loops & Textures Sunday, October 12 7:00 pm DOWNTOWN MUSIC GALLERY 342 Bowery, New York, NY 10012 “Lou is a disciple of the new music” Joe Maneri, ECM recording artist, & Microtonal pioneer “Lou does fantastic things with the instrument” -Elliott Sharp “I dug your sounds” -John Zorn "I usually don’t response to demos but there is some good stuff here, real good stuff” -Marc Ribot _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 11 00:55:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9B4pa025836; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:51:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:51:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:51:32 -0500 Subject: Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: James Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001d01c38e7b$ffb0bc00$6601010a@BARNEY> Message-Id: <95F753C4-FBA6-11D7-8DF8-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at grics.net Resent-Message-ID: <5LY0dB.A.lTG.Xx4h_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use these: http://www.gradolabs.com/ ... the SR80s. but, i don't know if they'd do what you want. i do know that it was the best 80 dollars i've ever spent. period. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 11 04:05:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9B82VT21531; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 04:02:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 04:02:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:02:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Cover story for Mr Rick Walker on main Italian gear magazine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6D1Rb.A.UQF.Wk7h_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ciao a tutti just to let all the community know (and especially the italian speaking one) that on the october issue of the main italian music gear magazine "Strumenti Musicali" you can find a long interview with mister Loop.pool and a bench test on the EDP with Loop IV (yes, you can laugh, but for the old world the EDP it's brand new...). A good occasion to say thank to Rick and to let everybody know how positive his presence and efforts have been in spite of the few time we spent together. best b:k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 11 09:28:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9BDPj802156; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:27:47 +0200 Subject: Re: Cover story for Mr Rick Walker on main Italian gear magazine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: Fabio Pianigiani To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Grazie della notizia,Fabio Sabato, 11 Ott 2003, alle 10:02 Europe/Rome, bruno kleinefeld ha scritto: > ciao a tutti > > just to let all the community know > (and especially the italian speaking one) > that on the october issue of the main > italian music gear magazine "Strumenti Musicali" > you can find a long interview with mister Loop.pool > and a bench test on the EDP with Loop IV > (yes, you can laugh, but for the old world the EDP it's brand new...). > > A good occasion to say thank to Rick > and to let everybody know how positive > his presence and efforts have been > in spite of the few time we spent together. > > > best > > b:k > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 11 15:01:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9BIuMC15016; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027301c3902a$abfb38a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:05:44 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 14th - Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne Noise Factory recording artist Beef Terminal is known for ambient guitar pieces & post-post-rock boss drum machine infused tracks perfect for driving, drinking, or just sitting there. Beef Terminal will be performing songs from each of its noise factory releases, "20 GOTO 10", "The Grey Knowledge" and the soon to be released "The Isolationist". beef terminal = mdmatheson. www.beefterminal.com Mnemosyne is Aidan Baker (guitar/loops), Richard Baker (drums/electronics) & Rodin Columb (bass/electronics). Combining traditional 'power trio' and electronic instrumentation, the group explores and deconstructs the elements of space rock, creating abstract ambient washes of fragmented rock songs. Their debut recording, an ep entitled 'Spiritsized,' is now available on Arcolepsy Records. www.turn.to/arcolepsy www.listen.to/aidan Between Sets CD - "Sounds Good On Paper" by Samsa Twenty assorted dark ambient soundscapes, from under a minute to over 6 minutes in length, showcase Samsa's work in the mutating and cross-breeding of sounds. http://www.darkwinter.com (Available @ ping things) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 21st - Michael Moon http://www.thetempleofsound.com Between Sets CD - "HovR." by Anomalous Disturbances http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Communion" by Current It starts off with the sounds of stars, a trip through distant nebulae, floating, moving in time with the pulse of the cosmos. "Communion" by Current is a trip through outer space, a journey measured in beats and tones. Sparkling sounds and alien rhythms abound throughout the disc, thick and enveloping, surrounding the listener like space itself while the bass forms a gravitational link between songs. Chilled and groovy, "Communion" is perfectly matched for those late night flights trhough the heavens. Recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 11 15:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9BJTig21371; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:29:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c3903e$d5dbf4c0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <027301c3902a$abfb38a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:30:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone else mind getting these Ambient Ping things all the time? I don't really want them. I know there's some way I'm supposed to be able to block certain senders in Outlook, but I was just wondering what the general concensus was on this bit of more-than-monthly spam. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" ; "Loopers Delight" ; "Ambient@hyperreal" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne > THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com > Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 > @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto > 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. > map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > This Tuesday October 14th - Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne > > Noise Factory recording artist Beef Terminal is known for > ambient guitar pieces & post-post-rock boss drum machine > infused tracks perfect for driving, drinking, or just sitting there. > Beef Terminal will be performing songs from each of its > noise factory releases, "20 GOTO 10", "The Grey Knowledge" > and the soon to be released "The Isolationist". > beef terminal = mdmatheson. www.beefterminal.com > > Mnemosyne is Aidan Baker (guitar/loops), Richard Baker > (drums/electronics) & Rodin Columb (bass/electronics). > Combining traditional 'power trio' and electronic instrumentation, > the group explores and deconstructs the elements of space rock, > creating abstract ambient washes of fragmented rock songs. > Their debut recording, an ep entitled 'Spiritsized,' is now > available on Arcolepsy Records. www.turn.to/arcolepsy > www.listen.to/aidan > > Between Sets CD - "Sounds Good On Paper" by Samsa > Twenty assorted dark ambient soundscapes, from under > a minute to over 6 minutes in length, showcase Samsa's > work in the mutating and cross-breeding of sounds. > http://www.darkwinter.com (Available @ ping things) > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Coming Tuesday October 21st - Michael Moon > http://www.thetempleofsound.com > Between Sets CD - "HovR." by Anomalous Disturbances > http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews > > "Communion" by Current > > It starts off with the sounds of stars, a trip through distant > nebulae, floating, moving in time with the pulse of the cosmos. > "Communion" by Current is a trip through outer space, a > journey measured in beats and tones. Sparkling sounds > and alien rhythms abound throughout the disc, thick > and enveloping, surrounding the listener like space itself > while the bass forms a gravitational link between songs. > > Chilled and groovy, "Communion" is perfectly matched > for those late night flights trhough the heavens. > Recommended. > > rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com > > Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's > finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus > performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia > (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect > for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room > and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the > club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats > are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. > Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too > and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested > in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 11 16:26:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9BKNND30331; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:23:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:22:39 -0700 Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004301c3903e$d5dbf4c0$0200a8c0@amd> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Overall I don't mind the Ping's things, and kinda wish they were located in my town... Mark On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 02:30 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Does anyone else mind getting these Ambient Ping things all the time? I > don't really want them. > > I know there's some way I'm supposed to be able to block certain > senders in > Outlook, but I was just wondering what the general concensus was on > this bit > of more-than-monthly spam. > > -Jesse > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott M2" > To: "The Ambient Way" ; "Loopers > Delight" > ; "Ambient@hyperreal" > > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 1:05 PM > Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne > > >> THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com >> Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 >> @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto >> 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. >> map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> This Tuesday October 14th - Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne >> >> Noise Factory recording artist Beef Terminal is known for >> ambient guitar pieces & post-post-rock boss drum machine >> infused tracks perfect for driving, drinking, or just sitting there. >> Beef Terminal will be performing songs from each of its >> noise factory releases, "20 GOTO 10", "The Grey Knowledge" >> and the soon to be released "The Isolationist". >> beef terminal = mdmatheson. www.beefterminal.com >> >> Mnemosyne is Aidan Baker (guitar/loops), Richard Baker >> (drums/electronics) & Rodin Columb (bass/electronics). >> Combining traditional 'power trio' and electronic instrumentation, >> the group explores and deconstructs the elements of space rock, >> creating abstract ambient washes of fragmented rock songs. >> Their debut recording, an ep entitled 'Spiritsized,' is now >> available on Arcolepsy Records. www.turn.to/arcolepsy >> www.listen.to/aidan >> >> Between Sets CD - "Sounds Good On Paper" by Samsa >> Twenty assorted dark ambient soundscapes, from under >> a minute to over 6 minutes in length, showcase Samsa's >> work in the mutating and cross-breeding of sounds. >> http://www.darkwinter.com (Available @ ping things) >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> Coming Tuesday October 21st - Michael Moon >> http://www.thetempleofsound.com >> Between Sets CD - "HovR." by Anomalous Disturbances >> http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews >> >> "Communion" by Current >> >> It starts off with the sounds of stars, a trip through distant >> nebulae, floating, moving in time with the pulse of the cosmos. >> "Communion" by Current is a trip through outer space, a >> journey measured in beats and tones. Sparkling sounds >> and alien rhythms abound throughout the disc, thick >> and enveloping, surrounding the listener like space itself >> while the bass forms a gravitational link between songs. >> >> Chilled and groovy, "Communion" is perfectly matched >> for those late night flights trhough the heavens. >> Recommended. >> >> rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com >> >> Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >> for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's >> finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus >> performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia >> (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect >> for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room >> and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the >> club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats >> are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. >> Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too >> and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested >> in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 11 16:43:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9BKd1K00853; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:39:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:39:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:38:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c39037$ae648490$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4HvKj.A.LN.lpGi_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah there not local to all that many of us I don't think they're hurting anybody here by posting. Who knows you go to Toronto and remember that this place is there, sounds interesting. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Landman [mailto:mlandman@sonic.net] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 4:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne Overall I don't mind the Ping's things, and kinda wish they were located in my town... Mark On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 02:30 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Does anyone else mind getting these Ambient Ping things all the time? > I don't really want them. > > I know there's some way I'm supposed to be able to block certain > senders in > Outlook, but I was just wondering what the general concensus was on > this bit > of more-than-monthly spam. > > -Jesse > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott M2" > To: "The Ambient Way" ; "Loopers > Delight" > ; "Ambient@hyperreal" > > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 1:05 PM > Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne > > >> THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com >> Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 >> @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto >> 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. >> map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> This Tuesday October 14th - Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne >> >> Noise Factory recording artist Beef Terminal is known for ambient >> guitar pieces & post-post-rock boss drum machine infused tracks >> perfect for driving, drinking, or just sitting there. Beef Terminal >> will be performing songs from each of its noise factory releases, "20 >> GOTO 10", "The Grey Knowledge" and the soon to be released "The >> Isolationist". >> beef terminal = mdmatheson. www.beefterminal.com >> >> Mnemosyne is Aidan Baker (guitar/loops), Richard Baker >> (drums/electronics) & Rodin Columb (bass/electronics). Combining >> traditional 'power trio' and electronic instrumentation, the group >> explores and deconstructs the elements of space rock, creating >> abstract ambient washes of fragmented rock songs. Their debut >> recording, an ep entitled 'Spiritsized,' is now available on >> Arcolepsy Records. www.turn.to/arcolepsy www.listen.to/aidan >> >> Between Sets CD - "Sounds Good On Paper" by Samsa >> Twenty assorted dark ambient soundscapes, from under >> a minute to over 6 minutes in length, showcase Samsa's >> work in the mutating and cross-breeding of sounds. >> http://www.darkwinter.com (Available @ ping things) . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> Coming Tuesday October 21st - Michael Moon >> http://www.thetempleofsound.com Between Sets CD - "HovR." by >> Anomalous Disturbances http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews >> >> "Communion" by Current >> >> It starts off with the sounds of stars, a trip through distant >> nebulae, floating, moving in time with the pulse of the cosmos. >> "Communion" by Current is a trip through outer space, a journey >> measured in beats and tones. Sparkling sounds and alien rhythms >> abound throughout the disc, thick and enveloping, surrounding the >> listener like space itself while the bass forms a gravitational link >> between songs. >> >> Chilled and groovy, "Communion" is perfectly matched >> for those late night flights trhough the heavens. Recommended. >> >> rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com >> >> Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >> for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest >> ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from >> across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) >> featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive >> listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating >> that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive >> beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the >> *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at >> *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that >> it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in >> live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 12 16:35:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9CKUbr09297; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:30:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031012132354.02bd8550@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:34:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP Loop IV Manuals AVAILABLE In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:30 AM 10/8/2003, | SquidLoop | wrote: >Sorry if this has been covered already I haven t been paying too much >attention to the list but I am a bit confused regarding this post. Since I >have the Echoplex Manual for my Blonde Loop III EDP, when I upgrade to >Loop IV will I be up to speed in the manual department or is this $30 >manual needed after my Loop IV purchase? when you order the LoopIV upgrade, you get the upgrade manual which explains all the new features. You can download that manual from here: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html you don't have to order anything else. I think the manual they are talking about here is the Echoplex Plus manual. That is a rewrite of the original manual with the upgrade info added. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 01:05:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9D533Q17995; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:03:01 -0700 Subject: OT: flash back quote from a scritti interview that's good for a chuckle From: glenn To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There comes a time in every Scritti Politti interview when Green must be challenged about his vocals. It's a kind of tradition. So, come clean Green, is it varispeed or what? http://www3.gateway.ne.jp/~wildcat/sp_uk/interviews/spuk_1985_13.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 17:29:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9DLJnb14508; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:19:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Looping Tools/Manglers for sale From: Mark Landman To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- I thought I'd send this here first, I'd rather deal with folks I know on LD, but will forward this to HC tomorrow night... Lexicon Vortex- with Lexicon dual footswitch, wall wart and manual- $175 Electrix Repeater- pretty muchly untouched since purchase, original box, card, weirdo power supply & manual (note: orig. O.S.)- $675 Mutron Biphase w rare Opti-Pot control pedal- Besides being arguably the best phaser in the world, this one's a collectors piece, about as mint as you'll ever see, with photocopied manual and original "patch" overlays- $800 Electribe S and R- with boxes, wall warts and manuals- Sampler- $185, Rhythm Synth- $125 All costs plus shipping, will ship with whatever service/speed you're most comfortable with. Best- Mark 707 792-2715 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 17:42:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9DLc8q18797; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:38:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:38:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c391d3$776c0240$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <027301c3902a$abfb38a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <004301c3903e$d5dbf4c0$0200a8c0@amd> Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents... Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:46:16 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Sent: Saturday, 11 October, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne > Does anyone else mind getting these Ambient Ping things all the time? I > don't really want them. > > I know there's some way I'm supposed to be able to block certain senders in > Outlook, but I was just wondering what the general concensus was on this bit > of more-than-monthly spam. > > -Jesse Hi Jesse, It was good to hear a couple of replies that people would be interested in checking the Ping out while they're in the Toronto area - just as I would visit Chama/Open Loop if I visited NYC on a weekend. What has surprised me, is that I don't get more enquiries from loopers in the ambient/experimental vein looking for a slot here. We also host a bi-monthly Planet Of The Loops event and the organizer, Andrew Aldridge, loves to get fresh players onstage to improvise with other artists. http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html If there is any concensus to stop the Ping updates, I'll certainly oblige. I think the best way to filter the Ping stuff would be to create a message rule where a subject line that contains "The Ambient Ping presents" would be deleted. That way you won't lose any of my occasionaly worthwhile or at least grimaceworthy comments on other threads. ;) BTW - There's usually an ambient/experimental/whatever CD review included in each update, to make it a bit more worthwhile, but you have to scroll down to get to it. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 19:20:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9DNE7O09211; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F8B31BE.2010209@biink.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:14:06 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott M2 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents... References: <027301c3902a$abfb38a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <004301c3903e$d5dbf4c0$0200a8c0@amd> <003901c391d3$776c0240$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> In-Reply-To: <003901c391d3$776c0240$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8SpLRC.A.uPC.-Gzi_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott M2 wrote: >It was good to hear a couple of replies that people would be interested >in checking the Ping out while they're in the Toronto area - just as I >would visit Chama/Open Loop if I visited NYC on a weekend. > If Chama or Open Loop still existed: http://www.gargoylemechanique.com/chama/chama_main.html Chama closed at the end of last month. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 19:35:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9DNSce13854; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:28:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:28:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:28:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3F615C4900013E69@mta12.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Gig Announce: Atomic Mobius Machine on the Internet, October 18th To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9DNSbU13827 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, Atomic Mobius Machine will once again be playing live for you on the internet! On Saturday, October 18th, we'll be playing from 8pm-12am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. (But, we usually play until 2am, for a whopping 6 hours of musical meanderings.) Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, and myself, on various musical instruments and electronic samplers. Looping duties are covered with EDP in one rig, Acid in another, and looong delays in the third. We haven't played for a couple of months, so I expect this to be a kind of 'letting go'.. :) If you want to check out stuff from past performances, please visit: http://www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine/ So please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at http://www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, October 18th, at 8pm for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (http://www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono http://radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 For our show we'll be broadcasting a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other ports. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.awesomechat.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 19:39:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9DNaEW16665; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c391e3$63aea720$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:38:01 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Muir" To: Sent: Tuesday, 07 October, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? > At 2:29 PM -0400 10/7/03, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > >Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much closer in the single-space rack box?). > > I've never heard hum in the output, but there is a little mechanical 60Hz sound from some generations of Matrix 1000. A couple of theories are coupling between the steel lid and the transformer, and just noisy transformers. > > -C I owned a Matrix 1000 for a short while - but it had the physical transformer hum that Chris mentions. I eventually sold it to a friend who already had one (2 M1000s can make a *wonderfully* rich sound playing the same patch together) as I like to keep my studio quiet as I can. He also later sold it but kept his original, much quieter unit. This is definitely something to listen for when you're buying one. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 19:49:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9DNiKM18677; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:44:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011201c391e3$211788a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <47.33ecdad1.2cb46010@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:38:01 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Muir" To: Sent: Tuesday, 07 October, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: Re: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? > At 2:29 PM -0400 10/7/03, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > >Is there any truth to the rumor that the 1000 sometimes suffers from 60 hz hum in the output (possibly from the power supply being jammed in much closer in the single-space rack box?). > > I've never heard hum in the output, but there is a little mechanical 60Hz sound from some generations of Matrix 1000. A couple of theories are coupling between the steel lid and the transformer, and just noisy transformers. > > -C I owned a Matrix 1000 for a short while - but it had the physical transformer hum that Chris mentions. I eventually sold it to a friend who already had one (2 M1000s can make a *wonderfully* rich sound playing the same patch together) as I like to keep my studio quiet as I can. He also later sold it but kept his original, much quieter unit. This is definitely something to listen for when you're buying one. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 23:05:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9E32SF11928; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:02:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:02:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c391fe$dc754720$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: Cc: References: <027301c3902a$abfb38a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <004301c3903e$d5dbf4c0$0200a8c0@amd> <003901c391d3$776c0240$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> <3F8B31BE.2010209@biink.com> Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents... Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:56:54 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >It was good to hear a couple of replies that people would be interested > >in checking the Ping out while they're in the Toronto area - just as I > >would visit Chama/Open Loop if I visited NYC on a weekend. > > > If Chama or Open Loop still existed: > > http://www.gargoylemechanique.com/chama/chama_main.html > > Chama closed at the end of last month. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db That's so sad. I'll bet there's some folks there that believe in reincarnation though... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 23:23:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9E3Jbo17059; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:19:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c39201$d4f73820$5164f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310132129.h9DLToC16993@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: KEEP PINGING US Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:18:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <2gqZLD.A.ZKE.Jt2i_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I personally like seeing when live loopers are playing anywhere and feel a strong sense of community when I read these things..............it also makes me want to travel there to play these shows. I vote for inclusion of the Ambient Ping show announcements. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 13 23:46:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9E3iZX25354; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:44:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:44:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.10 (webedge20-101-191-20030113) From: To: Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents Beef Terminal + Mnemosyne Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:44:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [127.0.0.1] using ID at Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:44:23 -0400 Message-Id: <20031014034423.IVKR494893.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Landman [mailto:mlandman@sonic.net] >Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 4:23 PM >On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 02:30 PM, Jesse Ray >Lucas wrote: > Does anyone else mind getting these Ambient Ping things all the time? No, but I do mind when, even though complaining about them, people still include the entire original post in their reply. Having recently returned to the list after a prolonged absence, and as a digest recipient, I see this problem still persists. As this has been happening for some time, I'm not singling anyone out, just asking that if it's not necessary to include the entire post, please cut any extraneous material. For one thing it allows for more useful content per digest and also cuts down on their number. Having said all that, I really can't complain about the Ping posts for a number of reasons - first and foremost that Scott is a good friend. Oh, and I also live in Toronto, plus I get the same post from three other sources. Finally, and to bring this back on-topic (uh... plus throw out a shameless plug ;-}), I'll be playing there November 4th as part of the Planet of the LOOPS sub-series. Won't mention any details here; wait for the blurb (those who haven't blocked them :-] :-]). James Bailey host: Electric Storm / A Missing Sense CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto www.ckln.fm electricstorm@ckln.fm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 00:02:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9E3xbY31265; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:59:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:59:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <700DD724-FAC3-11D7-81B8-000393D7CC50@mac.com> References: <700DD724-FAC3-11D7-81B8-000393D7CC50@mac.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:46:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: slightly OT -- headphone recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might like the etymotic ER-6's www.etymotic.com. These are in-ear headphones with about 20db of noise reduction from the earplug. I can wear them for hours. They weigh next to nothing, which makes them easy to carry around. Downsides are that if you rub the wires you'll hear rumble, and you need to clean them regularly or they will clog up. At 9:45 PM -0400 10/9/03, John Metzler wrote: >I recently bought the Bose Acoustic Noise Canceling Headphones and >am about to embark on a flight from Florida to California. I >already thing I'm going to send them back for a refund. They are >very comfortable and come with a nice case but the noise canceling >is not what I had hoped it would be. Especially for the price. I >was testing them the other day. Sitting in my living room with the >dishwasher going it cut a lot of the machine noise but it left the >running water noise. In my hall way with the bathroom fan and >air-conditioner going it cut the amount of sound down, maybe in half >but mainly in the mids. I don't know. I think I'll just get my >money back and put it towards another EDP. > >---John M. >On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 06:11 PM, George Demarest wrote: > >>Along similar lines, does anyone have a good recommendation for >>portable headphones for >>travel? I've had a couple of earbud types, which are ok, but I'm >>looking for a step up in >>audio quality, something that will work during long flights (some >>of the earbuds are not >>very comfortable). >> >>I've tried to do serious work with Acid, Reason or softsynths on >>airplanes but find the the discomfot >>and ear-fatigue from some headphones makes it impracticle. >> >>I've heard mixed reviews on the Sony noise cancellation dealies. >>Any suggestion would be appreciated. >> >>gfd >> >>ps. Also, anything that can mask the odd smirk I make when making >>odd sounds on my laptop >>on airplanes would be helpful too. ;-) -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11 "Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose". -- Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11 Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 00:07:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9E41X731974; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:01:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:01:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031013221006.007e8b50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:10:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Gig report - This past weekend -was- Re: KEEP PINGING US In-Reply-To: <007401c39201$d4f73820$5164f93f@global> References: <200310132129.h9DLToC16993@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <0Tid0.A.dzH.dU3i_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK then, Rick and List, here's a gig report from this weekend. To put it simply, THEY FREAKIN'-WELL LOVED US!!! The reactions we got were actually what I've been looking for in Boulder for quite some time. They were completely floored, saying things like, "It's great!, it sounds like Crimson, or the league of Crafty guitarists!" or "we never get to hear music like this in Boulder!, where are you playing next?" We literally brought in people off the street, going by. The stage was tiny, and I had my back to a window on the sidewalk, and people walked by, looked, did a double-take, went around the building, into the market, into the cafe, bought something to eat and sat listening. A couple of friends of ours watched this happen bunches of times that night, and told us about it afterward. WE were psyched!, and so was the management of the cafe. They not only asked us back, but asked us to be regulars. Part of why this is so cool, is because this is mostly an acoustic sort of deal, so we are among very few electric acts to play there. I also had the opportunity to play on the same stage with a former student, who's now a teacher in his own right. Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9E4CSU03343; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Gig report - This past weekend -was- Re: KEEP PINGING US Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:13:51 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c39209$9399d880$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031013221006.007e8b50@pop.earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the posting, Cara! It sounds like a GREAT gig! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 00:21:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9E4J1605416; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:19:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:19:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <8.3e5d2bef.2cbcd325@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:18:45 EDT Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping . . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8.3e5d2bef.2cbcd325_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10717 Resent-Message-ID: <2PouO.A.eUB.1k3i_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8.3e5d2bef.2cbcd325_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I think that there's a problem when someone ONLY posts spam and NEVER participates in general discussion. I don't feel like they are really part of the LD community if they don't occasionally chime in on a topic. That my big beef with ambient ping - they send us these obvious mass mailings, and never actually talk to us in person. I also wish they could post an email without all the extra html code. It takes so long to scroll past their post. Does any one else have this problem? It's probably my own fault for still being with aol (OK,. I'm lazy). I've tried to adjust my aol mail pref's to avoid this, but I still get these posts with lots of, what I assume to be, extra html code that makes the actual post 3 times longer than it should be. Can this be avoided? SteveK tIn a message dated 10/13/2003 2:32:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Does anyone else mind getting these Ambient Ping things all the time? I > don't really want them. > > I know there's some way I'm supposed to be able to block certain senders in > Outlook, but I was just wondering what the general concensus was on this bit > of more-than-monthly spam. > > -Jesse > > > --part1_8.3e5d2bef.2cbcd325_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I think that there's a problem when someone ONLY= posts spam and NEVER participates in general discussion.  I don't feel= like they are really part of the LD community if they don't occasionally ch= ime in on a topic. That my big beef with ambient ping - they send us these o= bvious mass mailings, and never actually talk to us in person.

I also wish they could post an email without all the extra html code. =20= It takes so long to scroll past their post.  Does any one else have thi= s problem?  It's probably my own fault for still being with aol (OK,. I= 'm lazy).  I've tried to adjust my aol mail pref's to avoid this, but I= still get these posts with lots of, what I assume to be, extra html code th= at makes the actual post 3 times longer than it should be.  Can this be= avoided?

SteveK

tIn a message dated 10/13/2003 2:32:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Del= ight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:


Does anyone else mind getting t= hese Ambient Ping things all the time?  I
don't really want them.

I know there's some way I'm supposed to be able to block certain senders in<= BR> Outlook, but I was just wondering what the general concensus was on this bit=
of more-than-monthly spam.

-Jesse




 --part1_8.3e5d2bef.2cbcd325_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 00:24:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9E4MCI06426; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:26:24 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] RE: Electrix repeater which 256MB cf card??? In-Reply-To: <20031007214841.51665.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Greg House wrote: > I haven't had time to exhaustively test it yet, but I just got a SimpleTech 256MB > card from newegg.com last Friday and my initial tests say that it will in fact > work well with my Repeater (ie, it'll format, record in stereo, forward and > reverse, etc). The Simpletech 256MB CFC card I just got in today from Newegg.com works fine with my Repeater: records over a 2 minute loop in stereo, records another 2 minute loop in reverse, overdubs on both in either direction. Paid $51 + shipping. Will probably order at least one more soon. Time to go play with it now. Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 04:20:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9E8HEs19206; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:17:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c3922b$b14f0220$81955142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <200310092013.h99KD1r13726@hemlock.violacea.com> <002901c38ef5$a97d51c0$1963f93f@global> Subject: Y2K3 Gig Report - Comments on COMMUNITY Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:18:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I managed to make it to Rick Walker's Y2K3 Looping shindig on Sunday, (played a short set Sunday night), and was amused, educated, and floored by the few performers I was able to see. I'm only sorry I missed the sets from Friday and Saturday's lineups. My reason for posting is to reflect on the 'community' topic that has been recently dis/cussed. I had the strange and intimidating experience of following Brian Kenny Fresno's amazing, manic set, and wish I didn't follow him mostly because I didn't get to focus my full attention on his manic display of storytelling and down-and-dirty virtuosity. Due to my own fatigue level and current mental state, I less than lived up to my own expectations, cut my set short, and did my best to remain calm, chill, and enjoy the rest of the night. (No blame here to Brian or any other outside distractions for my lack of muse... it was all my own internal vaccuousness.) Afterward, In the short 2 remaining hours, I was approached by many of the performers and cyber-friends from this list, (you know who you are!), receiving healing, reflective, insightful feedback on many different levels. I learned a lot about what true community support really is last night and I can't think of any other group of players and enthusiasts I would rather hang with. I send my most heartfelt thanks to you all. Finally, I'd like to thank Rick Walker for his perseverance, his hard work, and for choosing to take on the task of building a supportive, creative, inclusive community for all of us to thrive within. I'll leave the 'real' gig report to those who were able to attend the entire festival. All the best, and see ya all next time... -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 09:22:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EDGQ912927; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:16:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:16:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1066137375!3745713 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AE8@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: flash back quote from a scritti interview that's good for a c huckle Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:11:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39254.A2115960" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39254.A2115960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>There comes a time in every Scritti Politti interview when Green must be challenged about his vocals. It's a kind of tradition. So, come clean Green, is it varispeed or what?<< blimey, that hasn't aged well, has it? I remember buying the album and junking it almost immediately- I was never a fan of that early 80s technology because you could always tell it was only half the way there (limited bandwidth, bit depth and storage) and no-one could afford it apart from these studio-bound tossers. the s900 and the prophet 2000 changed all that, and at last it was possible for people with actual imaginations to start sampling slightly more interesting things than dogs barking or tv tubes being smashed. I think peter gabriel did this latter simply because it would look good in the press releases. the fairlight wasn't rubbish but most of it's early users did it an enormous dis-service by treating it as a novelty. to this day, I can't bear the art-of-noise stuff, but I s'pose if they hadn't done it, someone else would've. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>There comes a time in every Scritti Politti inter= view when Green must be
challenged about his vocals. It's a kind of tradition. S= o, come clean Green,
is it varispeed or what?<<

blimey, that hasn't aged well, has it? I remember buying = the album and junking it almost immediately- I was never a fan of that earl= y 80s technology because you could always tell it was only half the way the= re (limited bandwidth, bit depth and storage) and no-one could afford it ap= art from these studio-bound tossers.

the s900 and the prophet 2000 changed all that, and at la= st it was possible for people with actual imaginations to start sampling sl= ightly more interesting things than dogs barking or tv tubes being smashed.= I think peter gabriel did this latter simply because it would look good in= the press releases. the fairlight wasn't rubbish but most of it's early us= ers did it an enormous dis-service by treating it as a novelty. to this day= , I can't bear the art-of-noise stuff, but I s'pose if they hadn't done it,= someone else would've.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C39254.A2115960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 10:25:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EEKqN14745; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c3925e$3484b7c0$0861f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310141322.h9EDMtQ16273@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: RE: Gig report - This past weekend -was- Re: KEEP PINGING US Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:19:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dearest Cara, Congratulations on your great gig!!!! It's really inspirational to hear that you went over so well. Our own experiences' this last weekend were just wonderful and require a longer posting but I'm just exhausted from week's of preparation so I'll put my comments off for a few days of much needed r&r. I'm excited to say that our headliner, Gareth Whittock, will be interviewed and perform a full set (!!) on Radio Free Santa Cruz this evening for a full hour. It's been fantastic hanging out with him (and all the loopers, including the birthday boy, Michael "Tushak" Klobuchar) in the past few days. I took he and his lovely partner, Becky to our local Goth night last night and they had a blast meeting all the wonderful wierdos that I love so much there. Well, it's off to take Michael to the airport (with much sadness) in a couple of hours. I'll sign off right now and nurse that cold that a lot of us seemed to have this past weekend (Phyll Smith, Andre Custodio, Matt Davignon and newbie, Craig McCollough whose set actually had to be cancelled do to the fact that one cannot play a trumpet with such a head cold.................next time, Craig, for sure). yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 10:34:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EETKl17249; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:29:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:29:16 -0700 Subject: OT: Re: flash back quote from a scritti interview that's good for a c huckle From: glenn To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AE8@LON-MAIL07> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3148961356_121785_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <6y1uQ.A.ZNE._gAj_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3148961356_121785_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Agreed that most people overused the stock fairlight sounds (inc art of noise) ad nauseum with little creative input as kind of an elitist "here I'll play chopsticks on the thing because i can and you'll like it because you're forced to hear it every 20 seconds in the world", and though it was/may still be the bes synthesizer in the world, the series II's 8 bit /32khz sampling was frustrating in theory would still rather have it than a prophet 2000. But I feel PG is was very creative w/the fairlight perhaps more than most w/samplers/synths, scritti was a 16-bit series III w/great production , and in the process of scoring a series III, but other than that I hear you my brother:):):) just though some might have gotten a chuckle bec Green (vocals for scritti) wouldn't play live(actually had a tour lined up and cancelled it at the last moment with no reason given) during the heyday of mega radio play of Cupid and Psyche '85 and it totally sounded like varispeed(slow down the motor of an analog reel to reel to sing, then speed it back up after you've got the vocal for the edge Michael Jackson uses and scritti would have been lost without) and everyone thought it but i never saw anyone flat out call him on it before finding this article:) Kind of like asking Prince or Leo Sayer "come on man, you still got your cajones or what?":). in any case thanks for the response. Future fairlight owner/studio bound tosser:):):):):) glenn p.s. you're really saying "absolute" (the song) doesn't do anything for you? >>There comes a time in every Scritti Politti interview when Green must be challenged about his vocals. It's a kind of tradition. So, come clean Green, is it varispeed or what?<< blimey, that hasn't aged well, has it? I remember buying the album and junking it almost immediately- I was never a fan of that early 80s technology because you could always tell it was only half the way there (limited bandwidth, bit depth and storage) and no-one could afford it apart from these studio-bound tossers. the s900 and the prophet 2000 changed all that, and at last it was possible for people with actual imaginations to start sampling slightly more interesting things than dogs barking or tv tubes being smashed. I think peter gabriel did this latter simply because it would look good in the press releases. the fairlight wasn't rubbish but most of it's early users did it an enormous dis-service by treating it as a novelty. to this day, I can't bear the art-of-noise stuff, but I s'pose if they hadn't done it, someone else would've. duncan. --MS_Mac_OE_3148961356_121785_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OT: Re: flash back quote from a scritti interview that's good for a = c huckle
Agreed that most people overused the stock fairlight sounds (inc art of noi= se) ad nauseum with little creative input as kind of an elitist "here I= 'll play chopsticks on the thing because i can and you'll like it because yo= u're forced to hear it every 20 seconds in the world", and though it wa= s/may still be the bes synthesizer in the world, the series II's 8 bit /32kh= z sampling was frustrating in theory would still rather have it than a proph= et 2000.  But I feel PG is was very creative w/the fairlight perhaps mo= re than most w/samplers/synths, scritti was a 16-bit series III w/great prod= uction , and in the process of scoring a series III, but other than that I h= ear you my brother:):):)

just though some might have gotten a chuckle bec Green (vocals for scritti)= wouldn't play live(actually had a tour lined up and cancelled it at the las= t moment with no reason given) during the heyday of mega radio play of Cupid= and Psyche '85 and it totally sounded like varispeed(slow down the motor of= an analog reel to reel to sing, then speed it back up after you've got the = vocal for the edge Michael Jackson uses and scritti would have been lost wit= hout) and everyone thought it but i never saw anyone flat out call him on it= before finding this article:) Kind of like asking Prince or Leo Sayer "= ;come on man, you still got your cajones or what?":). in any case thank= s for the response.

Future fairlight owner/studio bound tosser:):):):):)
glenn

p.s. you're really saying "absolute" (the song) doesn't do anythi= ng for you?

>>There comes a time in every Scritti Politti intervie= w when Green must be
challenged about his vocals. It's a kind of tradition. So, c= ome clean Green,
is it varispeed or what?<<

blimey, that hasn't aged well, has it? I remember buying the= album and junking it almost immediately- I was never a fan of that early 80= s technology because you could always tell it was only half the way there (l= imited bandwidth, bit depth and storage) and no-one could afford it apart fr= om these studio-bound tossers.

the s900 and the prophet 2000 changed all that, and at last = it was possible for people with actual imaginations to start sampling slight= ly more interesting things than dogs barking or tv tubes being smashed. I th= ink peter gabriel did this latter simply because it would look good in the p= ress releases. the fairlight wasn't rubbish but most of it's early users did= it an enormous dis-service by treating it as a novelty. to this day, I can'= t bear the art-of-noise stuff, but I s'pose if they hadn't done it, someone = else would've.

duncan.


--MS_Mac_OE_3148961356_121785_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 12:02:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EFw0t18589; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:58:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:58:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031014155758.90747.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping . . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8.3e5d2bef.2cbcd325@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- GelRest@aol.com wrote: > Well, I think that there's a problem when someone ONLY posts spam and NEVER > participates in general discussion. I don't feel like they are really part of > the LD community if they don't occasionally chime in on a topic. That my big > beef with ambient ping - they send us these obvious mass mailings, and never > actually talk to us in person. Not true at all. Scott's been a regular here for years. He responded recently on the Matrix 1000 topic. Check the archives, I believe you'll find that you're entirely offbase in this complaint. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 13:49:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EHicE30261; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:44:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:44:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F8C3599.568D1A84@pixar.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:42:49 -0700 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping . . . . References: <20031014155758.90747.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seems to me playing loop music counts as chiming in on a topic, indeed. I interpret gig postings as invitations to experience something which can't be posted. I really don't mind if someone has few words about their music. Neither should you have to "play to say". I am often inspired by people who may not have much music behind their words, like real-time software engineers, dancers who loop their choreography, kinetic sculptors and my brother. (As a young child, my brother wrote a poem about seeing life as a circle or as a stick. Aha, no wonder looping with a Chapman instrument feels so much like home to me...) -Alex S. Greg House wrote: > > --- GelRest@aol.com wrote: > > Well, I think that there's a problem when someone ONLY posts spam and NEVER > > participates in general discussion. I don't feel like they are really part of > > the LD community if they don't occasionally chime in on a topic. That my big > > beef with ambient ping - they send us these obvious mass mailings, and never > > actually talk to us in person. > > Not true at all. Scott's been a regular here for years. He responded recently on > the Matrix 1000 topic. Check the archives, I believe you'll find that you're > entirely offbase in this complaint. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 13:58:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EHrqG02617; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:53:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:53:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1066154024!3470662 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533AFC@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ??? Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:48:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3927B.6FEAFE10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3927B.6FEAFE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I owned a Matrix 1000 for a short while - but it had the physical transformer hum that Chris mentions. I eventually sold it to a friend who already had one (2 M1000s can make a *wonderfully* rich sound playing the same patch together) as I like to keep my studio quiet as I can. He also later sold it but kept his original, much quieter unit. This is definitely something to listen for when you're buying one.<< it's all, as I am so fond of saying to other engineers, 12's and 5's in there, and so long as there's room, it's cheap and easy to substitute a toroidal transformer which will be a lot quieter. we're maybe a bit more aware of these issues in the UK since most equipment that will run in europe is designed to expect 220V and we're still up around 240V... which makes transformers rattle a bit louder and regulators get hotter. (dunno why more manufacturers don't use toroidals- they aren't that much more expensive...) I can't imagine selling a favourite synth because it buzzed a bit. I'd fix the buzz, or pay someone to fix it. but then I'm an engineer; I wish there were more of us around to help other musicians out of this sort of predicament. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3927B.6FEAFE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT -- oberheim matrix 1000 vs. matrix 6 ???

>>I owned a Matrix 1000 for a short while - but it = had the physical
transformer hum that Chris mentions. I eventually sold i= t to
a friend who already had one (2 M1000s can make a *wonde= rfully*
rich sound playing the same patch together) as I like to= keep my
studio quiet as I can. He also later sold it but kept hi= s original,
much quieter unit. This is definitely something to liste= n for
when you're buying one.<<

it's all, as I am so fond of saying to other engineers, 1= 2's and 5's in there, and so long as there's room, it's cheap and easy to s= ubstitute a toroidal transformer which will be a lot quieter. we're maybe a= bit more aware of these issues in the UK since most equipment that will ru= n in europe is designed to expect 220V and we're still up around 240V... wh= ich makes transformers rattle a bit louder and regulators get hotter.

(dunno why more manufacturers don't use toroidals- they a= ren't that much more expensive...)

I can't imagine selling a favourite synth because it buzz= ed a bit. I'd fix the buzz, or pay someone to fix it. but then I'm an engin= eer; I wish there were more of us around to help other musicians out of thi= s sort of predicament.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3927B.6FEAFE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 14:17:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EI4Ib07741; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:04:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031014180411.60034.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Is that a jam in your pocket or are you just happy to see us? To: evanmeyers@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey NOW pocket-people! Hope all is well for you, as it is for us! Lot’s of big news in pocket land… - New songs from our last B3 gig have been posted on PocketMusic! Just go to www.geocities.com/riftkid and click the link for New Tunes on PocketMusic! - We’ve been in the studio working out some new material for some upcoming shows and the jamming has been top-notch! - We are having our first contest - “The Great Name Controversy” For those of you who missed the B3 gig last week, you missed quite a HOT show filled with booty-shaking grooves and mind boggling ambient jams…but all is good, because you’ve got another chance to catch The Pocket this month! We’ll be back at CB’s gallery THIS Saturday (upstairs) for one set starting at 10pm and we are returning to B3 in early November to Rock the Caspa yet again. We really love this venue…albeit small, it is a great environment to really let loose and these shows are ALWAYS FREE to check out! *CB's Gallery*(upstairs) - Oct. 18th - 1 set starting at 10pm. (Bowery between Bleeker and 2nd St- right next to CBGB's) THE GREAT NAME CONTROVERSY: Some of you may already be familiar with the great name controversy, but if you aren’t, I’ll clue you in…apparently there are about 7 zillion other bands named pocket, the pocket, pocket protector, pocket book…you name it, there are at least 3 bands with the name. So, in an effort to not get lost in the crowd or have our friends and fans going to see the wrong band, we are on a search for a new name! Got an idea? If you give us a name and we use it, you will be granted a GUEST PASS FOR LIFE to any pocket (or whatever the new name will be) shows! There will be a list available at the CB’s gallery show for your submissions, so start brainstorming now (you only have 4 days left!)…or feel free to send any name suggestions via email. Check us out on the web at www.geocities.com/riftkid If you'd like to be removed from this list, please send an email with UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Peace and groove ~ the pocket __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 14:17:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EIB1c10400; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:11:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:11:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:16:43 +0100 Subject: hey ya'll From: geoff smith2 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F8C3599.568D1A84@pixar.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Been away for a few months due to massive work load. Its good to be reading about live-looping again. Will post something more worthwhile soon. Geoff bluecocoa.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 14:26:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EIGQL12336; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:16:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:16:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:22:09 +0100 Subject: EDP+footswitch 4 sale. From: geoff smith2 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F8C3599.568D1A84@pixar.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all I am selling one of my EDPs as I have found one to be enough. I am selling it with the footswitch its a loopIII in perfect condition full memory expansion and footswitch. So if u r interested make me an offer. I would willingly swap it for a repeater (with a reliably functioning power supply!) as I am more of a studio musician than live performer and I think the repeater would suit me better. Contact me off the list if u r interested. I am based in Devon, England. Cheers Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 16:02:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EJtFi14364; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c3928d$57051220$2103893e@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: Subject: Electro Harmonix Super Replay - Help a newbie! Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:57:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C39295.B8326A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C39295.B8326A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm new to the list and i'm wanting to know if anyone has experience of = the Electro Harmonix Super Replay sampler. I recently bought one second hand and i cannot get the damn thing to = work! The pedal powers up and the record level controls work fine - i = can alter the level of my guitar signal etc - but when i try to record = my guitar, nothing happens. The record indicator light flashes, but no = recording is played back. Help! Gareth ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C39295.B8326A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm new to the list and i'm wanting to = know if=20 anyone has experience of the Electro Harmonix Super Replay = sampler.
 
I recently bought one second hand and i = cannot get=20 the damn thing to work! The pedal powers up and the record level = controls work=20 fine - i can alter the level of my guitar signal etc - but when i try to = record=20 my guitar, nothing happens.  The record indicator light flashes, = but no=20 recording is played back.
 
Help!
 
Gareth
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C39295.B8326A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 16:21:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EKBFP20499; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-KS: 0c0c040e0e030e000f0f090e0e040c06 Message-ID: <002201c3928f$459e80a0$840ffea9@Ngaio> Reply-To: "Andrew Chaikin" From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: Subject: Multitracked Live Looping -- advice for a newbie? Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:10:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, My name is Andrew Chaikin. I am a vocalist / throat singer / vocal percussionist (i.e., beatboxer) based in San Francisco. After performing with various artists in the past few years who are integrating looping into their live work (Michael Manring, Danny Heines, Mixtape From Mars, Realistic, etc.), I'm crafting a solo project based entirely around live looping of voice. So I'm overjoyed to have found this list, and to be searching the copious archives, educating myself about the thriving Live Looping movement. Here's a short summary of what I'd like to do; I'd be most appreciative of any advice you can give. I want to loop and multitrack my voice live on stage: lay down a beat, then a vocal bass line, harmony parts, sing lead over it, etc. Let's say 8 looped tracks might be going at once. I want the ability to bring any track (or a group of tracks) in or out, and to have fader volume control on each individual track. I want to be able to switch between different loops on any given track or group of tracks (e.g., A-section to B-section and back). Real-time quantization presumably becomes crucial in managing this multitracked morass. I'd operate the looping gear with a MIDI foot controller and (I assume) manage the volume of each track via faders on my audio interface. My research has turned up a few possible approaches, each with their own pros and cons: Live by Ableton, the Echoplex, and Kyma + LCK. Ableton's Live comes very close to what I'm looking for. You get true multitracking, realtime quantization, dedicated effects for each track, and rudimentary but effective MIDI accessibility. But some of the most basic hardware-looper functions seem to be missing -- for example, rather than letting you quantize everything off of the tempo/length of your first live loop, it requires you to work off of a preset BPM. (Feel free to correct me if I've got this wrong.) This means I'd have to have Live's metronome coming through a monitor or headphones onstage. And all the standard laptop-looper worries apply: latency, issues of CPU and hard-drive speed, what-if-it- crashes-on-stage, etc. The Echoplex: I salivate over some of the things that the EDP+ with LoopIV can do -- 8th-quantization, Loop Dividing, Replace, etc. It would allow me to whip up some very sophisticated MIDI-controlled arrangements. But as far as I can tell, the EDP wouldn't give me true multitracking, unless I chained a bunch of them together at $800 a pop. (Once again, correct me if I have this wrong.) I guess I could base my arrangements around very canny use of Overdub, Undo, Multiply, Loop Copy, Next Loop, etc., but it'd be a stretch, I think. Symbolic Sound's Kyma system -- a software package controlling a dedicated hardware audio processor -- looks incredibly powerful, and with Green Tea's Looper Construction Kit add-on, seems like a live-looper's dream. But at $3500 for the basic system (not including the cost of the laptop, of course), it ain't cheap. Right now I'm leaning towards Ableton's Live. Are there any approaches that I've missed? Or might I just have to wait a year or two for the multitrack live-looping setup of my dreams? Thanks in advance for your advice, Andrew Chaikin, aka Z-ROX andrew@biggerbread.com (415) 929-8822 http://biggerbread.com | http://z-rox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 16:24:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EKIqC23211; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:24:35 +0100 Subject: Damm!! crazy MotherFreakers From: geoff smith2 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just checked octobers and septembers archives Damm ya'll have sure been scraping People been using the F word and everything. Damm! Hope its safe now Ha! geoff Bluecocoa.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 18:30:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EMNZS16225; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:23:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <003f01c392a1$54ff18e0$b665fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <005501c3928d$57051220$2103893e@aoldsl.net> Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix Super Replay - Help a newbie! Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:11:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C392A8.863E59A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2mdmnC.A.Z9D.mdHj_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C392A8.863E59A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gareth, I=B4ve never toyed around with a Super Replay but my Instant Replay does = respond erratically to pressing the record button also. It might be that = the button needs some cleaning. Another thing to look out for are broken = wires. I once sold a perfectly working Clone Theory which arrived d. o. = a. Closer inspection revealed a wire that came lose in transit. Check = this, too. Regards, Stephen. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gareth Hardwick=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Electro Harmonix Super Replay - Help a newbie! I'm new to the list and i'm wanting to know if anyone has experience = of the Electro Harmonix Super Replay sampler. I recently bought one second hand and i cannot get the damn thing to = work! The pedal powers up and the record level controls work fine - i = can alter the level of my guitar signal etc - but when i try to record = my guitar, nothing happens. The record indicator light flashes, but no = recording is played back. Help! Gareth ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C392A8.863E59A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gareth,
 
I=B4ve never toyed around with a Super = Replay but my=20 Instant Replay does respond erratically to pressing the record button = also. It=20 might be that the button needs some cleaning. Another thing to look out = for are=20 broken wires. I once sold a perfectly working Clone Theory which arrived = d. o.=20 a. Closer inspection revealed a wire that came lose in transit. = Check this,=20 too.
 
Regards,
 
Stephen.  
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gareth Hardwick =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 = 9:57=20 PM
Subject: Electro Harmonix Super = Replay -=20 Help a newbie!

I'm new to the list and i'm wanting = to know if=20 anyone has experience of the Electro Harmonix Super Replay=20 sampler.
 
I recently bought one second hand and = i cannot=20 get the damn thing to work! The pedal powers up and the record level = controls=20 work fine - i can alter the level of my guitar signal etc - but when i = try to=20 record my guitar, nothing happens.  The record indicator light = flashes,=20 but no recording is played back.
 
Help!
 
Gareth
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C392A8.863E59A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 18:45:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9EMcTn18924; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:38:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:38:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c392a4$3ffddf00$d520fea9@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Re: flash back quote from a scritti interview that's good fora c huckle Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:41:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>blimey, that hasn't aged well, has it? I remember buying the album and junking it almost immediately- I was never a fan of that early 80s technology because you could always tell it was only half the way there (limited bandwidth, bit depth and storage) and no-one could afford it apart from these studio-bound tossers. <<< FWIW, I absolutely LOVE Cupid and Psyche - loved it then, love it now! Was listening to it a couple of days ago in fact! :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 19:41:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9ENa1B27425; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:36:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:36:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: Meet Your Home Stereo (Oakland, CA) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:35:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2003 23:35:55.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9B67E60:01C392AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the show I was mentioning at the looping festival last weekend. MEET YOUR HOME STEREO Saturday, Oct 18th, 9pm 21 Grand Gallery 449B 23rd St, Oakland, CA $6-10 The components of the humble home stereo receive a deft dose of sonic manipulation by a crew of experimental musicians: Lx Rudis does the CD player, RAJAR radicalizes the radio, Mick Gendreau tweaks the turntable, and Matt Davignon challenges cassettes. RAJAR, named after the British radio ratings system, is an ensemble featuring Gendreau, Bob Boster (Mr. Meridies), David Kwan, Xopher Davidson and Patty Liu, that plays broadcast transmissions like instruments, accentuating the musical potential of fading signals and static interruptions. Lx Rudis is an interdisciplinary media artist, active in both commercial and underground sectors since the early 1980s. Since 1988, Mr. Rudis' work has been concentrated in the field of video game sound design. Rudis brings a dynamic playful quality to his electronic sonicism. Mick Gendreau (Crawling with Tarts) creates dense sonic landscapes out of high sensitivity accelerometers that map detailed frequencies from turntable motors, often utilizing hilarious and disturbing corporate marketing records. Matt Davignon, the curator of this event, creates most of his music through improvisation, often imitating everyday sound phenomena or focusing on often-overlooked aural characteristics. For this show he will be using cassettes of urban sounds from around the bay area. This show partly funded by a grant from the Zellerbach Family Foundation. _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 19:54:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9ENpcO30466; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:59:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE: Y2K3 Gig Report - Comments on COMMUNITY Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right on Miko! the one true Miko! I enjoyed your set, and felt your pain at having to follow Brian Kenney Fresno, who made me laugh harder than I have in a long long time. I think I might have sabotaged my own gear if faced with a similar situation. Imagine if you will, a guy working the room with the manic energy of Robin Williams, playing a Warr(?) 10 string stick instrument like Tony Levin, singing spot on satirical tunes about life in Fresno California( of all things), keeping a rapid fire comic banter going, complete with canned applause, light show, over head projector displaying song lyrics, etc.. He simply overwhelmed the room, exhaulting the audience to sing along to the lyrics of one song lifted from the menue of a notorious Fresno restaraunt, to everyone to get up and dance to his new dance that according to him was currently sweeping the nation. This guy is an amazing talent and deserves a wider audience. Oh yeah, and he did some looping too. Miko, I'm glad you enjoyed the event and I hope you will be back next year, hopefully in a more comfortable spot. Such was the nature of the last minute cancellations and schedule conflicts this year. I will try to give a more in depth report on Y2K3 in the next day or two when I have time, but my initial feeling echos Miko. it was an artistic triumph, and an even greater triumph of community. The amount of diversity, creativity and ingenuity was inspiring. Rick worked his ass off for this thing, and he kept it together even when faced with all of the cancelations, web sniping, etc. Thanks a lot Bro! Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 20:12:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F09P501763; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:09:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <002201c3928f$459e80a0$840ffea9@Ngaio> Subject: Re: Multitracked Live Looping -- advice for a newbie? Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:09:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2003 00:09:19.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[9449CDB0:01C392B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check out the repeater! its not being made any more, but there are still many around for $500-$650 a pop. Its really got a lot of functionality that you've asked for. Decent MIDI implementation, follows midi clock really well, has 4 tracks with independent volume, has lots of loops, smart card media storage for loops, variable pitching and tempo (this is really cool!), and is a pretty good real-time looper. The EDP isn't really what you've asked for out front, but you might find you can actually do most of the things you're going to find out you really wanted to do in the first place, but didn't know how to ask for (...). There's lots more information in the archives. I live down on the Peninsula, so if you want to get together and check out what an EDP LoopIV or Repeater can do, drop me a line. There are also other software real-time loopers if you've got access to a laptop. I've seen people any number of software solutions, but I don't know much about them. anyone else? Jon > My name is Andrew Chaikin. I am a vocalist / > throat singer / vocal percussionist (i.e., > beatboxer) based in San Francisco. After > performing with various artists in the past > few years who are integrating looping into > their live work (Michael Manring, Danny Heines, > Mixtape From Mars, Realistic, etc.), I'm > crafting a solo project based entirely around > live looping of voice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 22:58:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F2tFK25570; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c392c6$d0056420$ef661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: Y2K3 Looping Festival-Santa Cruz Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:48:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3928C.22E64960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3928C.22E64960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to tell all those who produced and participated in the Y2K3 = festival here in Santa Cruz, how much I enjoyed the performances for the = three days over this last weekend. Although I was somewhat tied up in = the act of attempting to record the event on my computer, which was the = first time I connected to a house sound board before, I was able to also = experience the wonderful varied and creative display of real talent that = was presented.=20 My mouth many a time just dropped open at the level of mastery of self, = musical instruments, equipment and sounds that I saw and heard! I have = liked various forms of this general type of music, which I first heard = in its early evolution in the late 70's and 80's, and have attended at = least part of 2 loop fests in Santa Cruz in the last several years = previous to this one. I also know Rick Walker from talking to him at a = local coffee spot, which is always a joy and inpiration. He certainly = works hard to present a fine forum for looping. Despite many technical = problems that came my way in recording the festival, some on my side of = the fence, some the other side, I am now working on making a CD(s) out = of what I have on hard disk.=20 When I got home, I checked my records, and it turns out I had forgotten = to pay Bill Gates his 2% no-crash tax, for Windows 98, and unfortunately = therfore paid the hard penalty. If only I had paid the Bill and gotten = up to 100% befor the event, things would have been smoother. (I intend = to get Window 2000, they say it is a "real" operating system, but wasn't = that the year the economy crashed?)=20 The crashes it turns out were positive. The recordings were already in = some cases corrupted as they were being recorded, so crashing was a road = to a cure, rebooting. So I have a few less recordings to choose from, = which is deeply painful to me, for having lost some great material, but = I am heartened by the quality of the recordings that I DID get, which = would not have otherwise been preserved, had I not asked permission of = Rick to record the event.=20 Now I will have to do my editing work to make a completed project as a = promo for future festivals. And the CD should also function as sampler = that can point the listener to musicians that may have their own = completed CDs to therefore sell to these same listners.=20 Many thanks again for your fine vibrations. Robin Haas rob@robinhaas.com ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3928C.22E64960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I want to tell all those who produced = and=20 participated in the Y2K3 festival here in Santa Cruz, how much I enjoyed = the=20 performances for the three days over this last weekend. Although I was = somewhat=20 tied up in the act of attempting to record the event on my computer, = which was=20 the first time I connected to a house sound board before, I was able to = also=20 experience the wonderful varied and creative display of real talent that = was=20 presented.
 
My mouth many a time just dropped open = at the level=20 of mastery of self, musical instruments, equipment and sounds that = I saw=20 and heard! I have liked various forms of this general type of music, = which I=20 first heard in its early evolution in the late 70's and 80's, and have = attended=20 at least part of 2 loop fests in Santa Cruz in the last several years = previous=20 to this one. I also know Rick Walker from talking to him at a local = coffee spot,=20 which is always a joy and inpiration. He certainly works hard to present = a fine=20 forum for looping. Despite many technical problems that came my way = in=20 recording the festival, some on my side of the fence, some the other = side, I am=20 now working on making a CD(s) out of what I have on hard disk. =
 
When I got home, I checked my = records, and it=20 turns out I had forgotten to pay Bill Gates his 2% no-crash tax, for = Windows 98,=20 and unfortunately therfore paid the hard penalty. If only I had paid the = Bill=20 and gotten up to 100% befor the event, things would have been smoother. = (I=20 intend to get Window 2000, they say it is a "real" operating system, but = wasn't=20 that the year the economy crashed?) 
 
The crashes it turns out were = positive. The=20 recordings were already in some cases corrupted as they were being=20 recorded, so crashing was a road to a cure, rebooting. So I have a few = less=20 recordings to choose from, which is deeply painful to me, for = having lost=20 some great material, but I am heartened by the quality of = the recordings=20 that I DID get, which would not have otherwise been preserved, = had I=20 not asked permission of Rick to record the event. 
 
Now I will have to do my editing work = to make=20 a completed project as a promo for future festivals. And the = CD should=20 also function as sampler that can point the listener to musicians=20 that may have their own completed CDs to therefore sell to these = same=20 listners.
 
Many thanks again for your fine = vibrations. Robin=20 Haas  rob@robinhaas.com
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3928C.22E64960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 14 23:09:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F37Q328925; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c392c8$84a7a680$ef661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <200310092013.h99KD1r13726@hemlock.violacea.com> <002901c38ef5$a97d51c0$1963f93f@global> <003601c3922b$b14f0220$81955142@MyComputer> Subject: Re: Y2K3 ---Miko B. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:00:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko B. I am perhaps the only who has heard your performance twice at this point. (There may have been some clandestine tapers out in the audience. I was underwraps last year for a short part of that event) I was heartened to find you were to perform at Y2K3, as I remember you from a performance 2 or 3 years ago at the Rio Theater a block away. I fully enjoyed your performance the other day, and was disappointed when you stopped playing, for your own personal reasons. I saw no reason in the performance of why you stopped, not that it would have been visable, but you played beautifuly. Perhaps you got it said in half the time and notes. Maybe that is a virtue. I tend to use too many words in my writing. In my opinion, as a non musician, but a music appreciator, you did a fine and inspiring job of hanging on the musical creative frontier and bringing back to those in attendance something for the mind, emotions and spirit that is intangeable and exciting. I am looking forward to the time again when I can hear you take that journey; musically into that realm of musical creativity that I can only experience vicariouly through my ears. Please keep up the fine playing!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: Y2K3 Gig Report - Comments on COMMUNITY > Well, I managed to make it to Rick Walker's Y2K3 Looping shindig on Sunday, > (played a short set Sunday night), and was amused, educated, and floored by > the few performers I was able to see. I'm only sorry I missed the sets from > Friday and Saturday's lineups. > > My reason for posting is to reflect on the 'community' topic that has been > recently dis/cussed. > > I had the strange and intimidating experience of following Brian Kenny > Fresno's amazing, manic set, and wish I didn't follow him mostly because I > didn't get to focus my full attention on his manic display of storytelling > and down-and-dirty virtuosity. > > Due to my own fatigue level and current mental state, I less than lived up > to my own expectations, cut my set short, and did my best to remain calm, > chill, and enjoy the rest of the night. (No blame here to Brian or any other > outside distractions for my lack of muse... it was all my own internal > vaccuousness.) > > Afterward, In the short 2 remaining hours, I was approached by many of the > performers and cyber-friends from this list, (you know who you are!), > receiving healing, reflective, insightful feedback on many different levels. > I learned a lot about what true community support really is last night and I > can't think of any other group of players and enthusiasts I would rather > hang with. I send my most heartfelt thanks to you all. > > Finally, I'd like to thank Rick Walker for his perseverance, his hard work, > and for choosing to take on the task of building a supportive, creative, > inclusive community for all of us to thrive within. > > I'll leave the 'real' gig report to those who were able to attend the entire > festival. > > All the best, and see ya all next time... > -miko > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 00:48:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F4dRs12063; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:39:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:39:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.299815e1.2cbe2975@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:39:17 EDT Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11a.299815e1.2cbe2975_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11a.299815e1.2cbe2975_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/13/03 5:40:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes: > If there is any concensus to stop the Ping updates, I'll certainly oblige. > yo, yo, yo, eh? scott!.....you best stick around.....i see a toronto road trip in the near future.....michael --part1_11a.299815e1.2cbe2975_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/13/= 03 5:40:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes:


If there is any concensus to st= op the Ping updates, I'll certainly oblige.


yo, yo, yo, eh? scott!.....you best stick around.....i see a toronto road tr= ip in the near future.....michael --part1_11a.299815e1.2cbe2975_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 00:51:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F4ml515281; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.128c935a.2cbe2ba3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:48:35 EDT Subject: Re: Gig report - This past weekend -was- Re: KEEP PINGING US To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d4.128c935a.2cbe2ba3_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d4.128c935a.2cbe2ba3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/03 12:03:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thefates@earthlink.net writes: > THEY FREAKIN'-WELL LOVED US!!! cara.....totally kool!.....michael --part1_1d4.128c935a.2cbe2ba3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/14/= 03 12:03:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thefates@earthlink.net writes:


THEY FREAKIN'-WELL LOVED US!!!&= nbsp;


cara.....totally kool!.....michael --part1_1d4.128c935a.2cbe2ba3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 01:12:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F58VA19562; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:08:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:08:23 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K3 Looping Festival-Santa Cruz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f2.31f2f986.2cbe3047_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f2.31f2f986.2cbe3047_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/03 10:56:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > Now I will have to do my editing work to make a completed project as a > promo for future festivals robin.....thanks for your great effort to record K2K3.....YEA!!!!!.....please keep us updated.....michael --part1_f2.31f2f986.2cbe3047_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/14/= 03 10:56:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes:


Now I will have to do my editin= g work to make a completed project as a promo for future festivals

robin.....thanks for your great effort to record K2K3.....YEA!!!!!.....pleas= e keep us updated.....michael --part1_f2.31f2f986.2cbe3047_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 01:13:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F5AuQ19882; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:10:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:10:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.3fae07f6.2cbe30cf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:10:39 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K3 ---Miko B. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.3fae07f6.2cbe30cf_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7e.3fae07f6.2cbe30cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/03 11:08:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > In my opinion, as a non musician, but a music appreciator, you did a fine > and inspiring job of hanging on the musical creative frontier and bringing > back to those in attendance something for the mind, emotions and spirit that > is intangeable and exciting. > HEAR HEAR!!!.....well put.....michael --part1_7e.3fae07f6.2cbe30cf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/14/= 03 11:08:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes:


In my opinion, as a non musicia= n, but a music appreciator, you did a fine
and inspiring job of hanging on the musical creative frontier and bringing back to those in attendance something for the mind, emotions and spirit that=
is intangeable and exciting.


HEAR HEAR!!!.....well put.....michael --part1_7e.3fae07f6.2cbe30cf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 01:18:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F5GCE21042; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <110.29359fab.2cbe3213@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:16:03 EDT Subject: y2k3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just got home from y2k3.....YIKES!......went through 173 e-mails.....i must decompress.....reports will follow tamari.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 01:32:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F5V4M23193; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:31:00 -0700 Subject: Gig spam [Seattle]: Travis Hartnett @ Zoka Coffee, Friday 10/17 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--158169454 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: tiktok@sprintmail.com To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--158169454 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll be doing an acoustic guitar looping gig this Friday, at Zoka Coffee (2200 North 56th Street ), between 8 and 10PM. It's a nice place, and there's no cover and no smoking. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett --Apple-Mail-6--158169454 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I'll be doing an acoustic guitar looping gig this Friday, at Zoka Coffee (Arial2200 North 56th Street ), between 8 and 10PM. It's a nice place, and there's no cover and no smoking. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett --Apple-Mail-6--158169454-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 04:05:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F83HG19229; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:03:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:03:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c392f2$e84ce400$189d5142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <200310092013.h99KD1r13726@hemlock.violacea.com> <002901c38ef5$a97d51c0$1963f93f@global> <003601c3922b$b14f0220$81955142@MyComputer> <003401c392c8$84a7a680$ef661e43@r1x5s0> Subject: Re: Y2K3 ---Miko B. Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:04:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow Robin... You have my most humble thanks. I can only apologize for my own poor perception - I just found myself completely lost and 'not present' in spirit and soul, and felt truly despondent about that fact. I have some reflecting to do, re-charging my links to music and how I interact with it. Once again, thanks so very much for your kind support. -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Haas" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Y2K3 ---Miko B. > Miko B. I am perhaps the only who has heard your performance twice at this > point. (There may have been some clandestine tapers out in the audience. I > was underwraps last year for a short part of that event) I was heartened to > find you were to perform at Y2K3, as I remember you from a performance 2 or > 3 years ago at the Rio Theater a block away. > > I fully enjoyed your performance the other day, and was disappointed when > you stopped playing, for your own personal reasons. I saw no reason in the > performance of why you stopped, not that it would have been visable, but you > played beautifuly. Perhaps you got it said in half the time and notes. Maybe > that is a virtue. I tend to use too many words in my writing. > > In my opinion, as a non musician, but a music appreciator, you did a fine > and inspiring job of hanging on the musical creative frontier and bringing > back to those in attendance something for the mind, emotions and spirit that > is intangeable and exciting. > > I am looking forward to the time again when I can hear you take that > journey; musically into that realm of musical creativity that I can only > experience vicariouly through my ears. Please keep up the fine playing!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miko Biffle" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:18 AM > Subject: Y2K3 Gig Report - Comments on COMMUNITY > > > > Well, I managed to make it to Rick Walker's Y2K3 Looping shindig on > Sunday, > > (played a short set Sunday night), and was amused, educated, and floored > by > > the few performers I was able to see. I'm only sorry I missed the sets > from > > Friday and Saturday's lineups. > > > > My reason for posting is to reflect on the 'community' topic that has been > > recently dis/cussed. > > > > I had the strange and intimidating experience of following Brian Kenny > > Fresno's amazing, manic set, and wish I didn't follow him mostly because I > > didn't get to focus my full attention on his manic display of storytelling > > and down-and-dirty virtuosity. > > > > Due to my own fatigue level and current mental state, I less than lived up > > to my own expectations, cut my set short, and did my best to remain calm, > > chill, and enjoy the rest of the night. (No blame here to Brian or any > other > > outside distractions for my lack of muse... it was all my own internal > > vaccuousness.) > > > > Afterward, In the short 2 remaining hours, I was approached by many of the > > performers and cyber-friends from this list, (you know who you are!), > > receiving healing, reflective, insightful feedback on many different > levels. > > I learned a lot about what true community support really is last night and > I > > can't think of any other group of players and enthusiasts I would rather > > hang with. I send my most heartfelt thanks to you all. > > > > Finally, I'd like to thank Rick Walker for his perseverance, his hard > work, > > and for choosing to take on the task of building a supportive, creative, > > inclusive community for all of us to thrive within. > > > > I'll leave the 'real' gig report to those who were able to attend the > entire > > festival. > > > > All the best, and see ya all next time... > > -miko > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 05:43:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9F9eCf32499; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-KS: 0c0c040e0e030e000f0f090e0e040c06 Message-ID: <009001c39300$46910ca0$840ffea9@Ngaio> Reply-To: "Andrew Chaikin" From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: References: Subject: Re: Multitracked Live Looping -- advice for a newbie? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:39:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > check out the repeater! Hmm. I had sort of discounted the Repeater because it was discontinued, and the reviews on LD were not glowing. (For example, Progster's Review #2 seemed to suggest that the Repeater couldn't do bar-level quantization. But reading the OS 1.1 changes on the Electrix site leads me to believe that's not true.) Hmm... if I could sync two Repeaters together, I'd have 8 tracks to play with. Tasty. > I live down on the Peninsula, so if you want > to get together and check out what an EDP > LoopIV or Repeater can do, drop me a line. That'd be great, thanks! I'll buzz you off-line. Peace, Andrew Chaikin, aka Z-ROX andrew@biggerbread.com (415) 929-8822 http://biggerbread.com | http://z-rox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 07:53:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FBoXJ19388; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:50:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:50:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:56:13 +0100 Subject: EDP feature Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Geoffrey Smith To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003d01c3925e$3484b7c0$0861f93f@global> Message-Id: <92F703C5-FF06-11D7-9720-000393DBBD02@btopenworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <7wHNgC.A.yuE.JSTj_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I was jamming with my loop iv edp this morning and the weirdest thing > happened I hit my floor controller (1010) and the EDP did something > really weird. It played through the loop I had built up from the first > layer I laid down through all my new overdubs eventually settling once > more on the loop I had been working with. So somehow it played through > the recording buffer in perfect order of each new edit. Cool! like a > history of my loop. Is this a feature of the edp or an accident as I can't repeat it. stumped Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 07:55:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FBpCI19521; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:51:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:51:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:51:02 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: FCB1010 and Repeater - PC numbers wrong From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just started using a Behringer FCB1010 to control my Repeater and other devices, and it mostly seems to be the perfect solution. However, after much head-scratching due to Program changes not working, I discovered that I had to enter all PC's using the next number up. For example, the Undo function is PC 1, to make it work I had to set it to PC 2 and so on. CC's seem to work as normal. Anyone else encountered this? Perhaps I'm missing something really obvious... Paul Greenstein From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 07:56:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FBs7520117; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:54:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:54:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:59:49 +0100 Subject: EDPmore... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Geoffrey Smith To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003d01c3925e$3484b7c0$0861f93f@global> Message-Id: <1421FEF1-FF07-11D7-9720-000393DBBD02@btopenworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah ha It happens when I hit reverse and then 'retrigger loop' within quick succession. Cool! Although slightly annoying because thats not what I want it to do. Cest La Vie Geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 09:33:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FDQCV05452; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:26:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:26:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <192.212bd497.2cbea4ee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:26:06 EDT Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping . . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.212bd497.2cbea4ee_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10717 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.212bd497.2cbea4ee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/2003 1:32:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Not true at all. Scott's been a regular here for years. He responded > recently on > the Matrix 1000 topic. Check the archives, I believe you'll find that you're > entirely offbase in this complaint. > > Greg > Woops! Sorry 'bout that Scott. Of course I've seen your posts many times here, but just somehow never made the connection with Ping. My bad. . . . (still tryng to turn off html before my scroll wheel falls off) SteveK --part1_192.212bd497.2cbea4ee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/14/200= 3 1:32:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-deligh= t.com writes:


Not true at all. Scott's been a= regular here for years. He responded recently on
the Matrix 1000 topic. Check the archives, I believe you'll find that you're=
entirely offbase in this complaint.

Greg


Woops!  Sorry 'bout that Scott.  Of course I've seen your posts ma= ny times here, but just somehow never made the connection with Ping.  M= y bad. . . .  (still tryng to turn off html before my scroll wheel fall= s off)
SteveK


 --part1_192.212bd497.2cbea4ee_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 10:09:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FE4Eg12391; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:04:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:04:24 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: FCB1010 and Repeater - PC numbers wrong In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3F8D53E8.8070100@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are 2 conventions for numbering of PCs. Some manufacturers start with 0, others start with 1. Hence the mismatch. Paul Greenstein wrote: > I've just started using a Behringer FCB1010 to control my Repeater and > other devices, and it mostly seems to be the perfect solution. > However, after much head-scratching due to Program changes not > working, I discovered that I had to enter all PC's using the next > number up. For example, the Undo function is PC 1, to make it work I > had to set it to PC 2 and so on. CC's seem to work as normal. > > Anyone else encountered this? Perhaps I'm missing something really > obvious... > > > Paul Greenstein > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 11:47:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FFd4H29346; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:39:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:39:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F8D69DD.42D9B176@helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:38:05 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "analogue@hyperreal.org" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: Pioneer SR-303 (blue light) analog reverb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm cleaning out a few things from the DJ room and studio and this is up for grabs: Pioneer SR-303 reverb amp and processor. This is the infamous 70s stereo component unit that is actually an analog delay. Makes your recordings spacey and sound like they're underwater. Used in Dub and other genres of electronic music these days. Hell, I just had it wired directly to my turntables for when I was in a weirder than usual mood :) When it is on, the display lights up in concentric circles of blue light based on the volume of the signal going in. You can twiddle the reverb time and depth knobs to get a warped feedback type analog delay going or adjust for the warble of your choice. Front it has power, tape monitor, on/off for reverberation recording, reverb time and depth. Back has RCA jacks for input, output, record and play I'm asking $40 which seems to be a good price judging from sales on Eb*y and elsewhere. This unit has seen some use but works fine. Will take trades or am prone to accept an offer if you pick it up (Phila Pa) rather than make me ship it. (buyer pays exact shipping costs and I'll pack well for free otherwise). I can accept paypal and have a ton of references. Please send your # as all deals must be confirmed via phone before it is 'sold" Any questions? let me know Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 15:20:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FJEDD02604; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: XLRs and Mics Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:26:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2003 16:26:40.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CFF2CD0:01C39339] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey there all, Its been a while, Ive been looping around and slowly filling up all the real-estate of my stage with various FX and pedals, Ive decided therefore it is time to ditch my usual mic stand/vocal mic setup and get a headset mic al,la Britney:) I have a few questions on the subject 1.Can anyone recomend a good sounding , but reasonably priced headset mic (by the way I dont need earphones incorprated, just the wrap round type.) , Tom in paticular, ive seen you use a headset at Chyma,what make was that ? it sounded pretty good. and question 2. What are the main differances between mics that connect using a normal jack pin and those that have XLR? in my set up the mic will be fed into my DIgitech vocal 300 which supposts both XLR and standard jacks. and help greatly appreciated yours hopefully Phill _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 15:24:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FJJOF04088; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:19:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:19:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c3934d$2dd4ee00$84e65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for September, 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:49:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3932B.99910240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3932B.99910240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for September, 2003. Shows #337 to #340; 4-September-2003 to 25-September-2003 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Alio Die and Mathias Grassow - Expanding the Horizon - Relapse Ashera - Environ - none Brannan Land and Ashera - Sextant - none dbkaos - Art of Sacrifice - DiN Gert Emmens - Wanderer of Time - Groove Harold Grasskopf - Digital Nomad - AMP Jonn Serrie - The Stargazer's Journey - New World Mathias Grob - Ouvir Mais Pedir Menos - Pillow Mountain Ozone Player - E - Visual Power Principle of Silence - Live - none Redshift - Downtime - Champagne Lake Redshift - Ether - Champagne Lake Redshift - Halo - Distant Sun Redshift - Siren - Distant Sun Saul Stokes - Fields - Hypnos Syndromeda - Creatures from the Inner - Neu Harmony Tangerine Dream - Mota Atma - TDP Under the Dome - Bellerophon - Neu Harmony Various Artists - Different Skies 2003 - Atomic City Various Artists - Hampshire Jam Preserved - none ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3932B.99910240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for September, 2003.
Shows #337 to = #340;=20 4-September-2003 to 25-September-2003
Reported in non-ranked=20 order.
Compiled by Bill Fox
http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emu= sic
 

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE -=20 LABEL
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Alio Die=20 and Mathias Grassow - Expanding the Horizon - Relapse
Ashera - = Environ -=20 none
Brannan Land and Ashera - Sextant - none
dbkaos - Art of = Sacrifice -=20 DiN
Gert Emmens - Wanderer of Time - Groove
Harold Grasskopf - = Digital=20 Nomad - AMP
Jonn Serrie - The Stargazer's Journey - New = World
Mathias Grob=20 - Ouvir Mais Pedir Menos - Pillow Mountain
Ozone Player - E - Visual=20 Power
Principle of Silence - Live - none
Redshift - Downtime - = Champagne=20 Lake
Redshift - Ether - Champagne Lake
Redshift - Halo - Distant=20 Sun
Redshift - Siren - Distant Sun
Saul Stokes - Fields -=20 Hypnos
Syndromeda - Creatures from the Inner - Neu = Harmony
Tangerine Dream=20 - Mota Atma - TDP
Under the Dome - Bellerophon - Neu = Harmony
Various=20 Artists - Different Skies 2003 - Atomic City
Various Artists - = Hampshire Jam=20 Preserved - none
 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3932B.99910240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 18:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FML9f05792; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:21:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:21:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Ken Melhus" To: Subject: FW: Reapters anywhere? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:21:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c3936a$9e71cb20$0b00a8c0@kpcsony> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3932F.F212F320" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2003 22:21:02.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E48BF50:01C3936A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3932F.F212F320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Just got an echoplex pro plus and I love everything about it EXCEPT not being able to save my ugly creations, so I'm pondering adding a Repeater to my setup. Anyone know of any used Repeaters in any music shops? I'm not a big fan of Ebay, but I do see quit a few go through there. Is there anything I should know/lookout befor getting a Repeater? Thanks, ken ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3932F.F212F320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Hey,

 

Just got an echoplex pro plus and I love everything = about it EXCEPT not being able to save my ugly creations, so I’m pondering = adding a Repeater to my setup.

Anyone know of any used Repeaters in any music shops? I’m not a big fan of Ebay, but I do see quit a few go through = there.

Is there anything I should know/lookout befor getting = a Repeater?

 

Thanks,

 

ken

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3932F.F212F320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 19:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FNDYk14124; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:13:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c39382$c6544970$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <001301c3936a$9e71cb20$0b00a8c0@kpcsony> Subject: Re: Reapters anywhere? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:13:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C39350.7BA789F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C39350.7BA789F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can save your EDP loops to your computer or sequencer as sysex = dumps, and reaload them later. It takes forever though (saving and = loading). And it doesn't store the levels of undo... You probably = already know this. Too bad there is no SCSI jack on the EDP for SMDI transfer. Also no USB = 2.0... No Firewire... What were those guys thinking when they built = this thing?!??? ;) =20 -J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken Melhus=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: FW: Reapters anywhere? =20 Hey, =20 Just got an echoplex pro plus and I love everything about it EXCEPT = not being able to save my ugly creations, so I'm pondering adding a = Repeater to my setup. Anyone know of any used Repeaters in any music shops? I'm not a big = fan of Ebay, but I do see quit a few go through there. Is there anything I should know/lookout befor getting a Repeater? =20 Thanks, =20 ken ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C39350.7BA789F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You can save your EDP = loops to your=20 computer or sequencer as sysex dumps, and reaload them later.  It = takes=20 forever though (saving and loading).  And it doesn't store the = levels of=20 undo...  You probably already know this.
 
Too bad there is no SCSI jack on the = EDP for SMDI=20 transfer.  Also no USB 2.0...  No Firewire...  What were = those=20 guys thinking when they built this thing?!???  ;)  =
 
-J
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken = Melhus=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, = 2003 4:21=20 PM
Subject: FW: Reapters = anywhere?

 

Hey,

 

Just got an echoplex pro = plus and=20 I love everything about it EXCEPT not being able to save my ugly = creations, so=20 I=92m pondering adding a Repeater to my = setup.

Anyone know of any used = Repeaters=20 in any music shops? I=92m not a big fan of Ebay, but I do see quit a = few go=20 through there.

Is there anything I = should=20 know/lookout befor getting a Repeater?

 

Thanks,

 

ken

------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C39350.7BA789F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 19:34:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9FNURL17893; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Reapters anywhere? Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:31:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C39385.38B511F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <007801c39382$c6544970$0200a8c0@amd> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE,IN_REP_TO, MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C39385.38B511F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, it takes a long time.... but you still may want to try my EDP dump utility. http://www.xmlizer.biz/nosuch.biz/soundz/#utility Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2003 03:14 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reapters anywhere? You can save your EDP loops to your computer or sequencer as sysex dumps, and reaload them later. It takes forever though (saving and loading). And it doesn't store the levels of undo... You probably already know this. Too bad there is no SCSI jack on the EDP for SMDI transfer. Also no USB 2.0... No Firewire... What were those guys thinking when they built this thing?!??? ;) -J ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Melhus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: FW: Reapters anywhere? Hey, Just got an echoplex pro plus and I love everything about it EXCEPT not being able to save my ugly creations, so I’m pondering adding a Repeater to my setup. Anyone know of any used Repeaters in any music shops? I’m not a big fan of Ebay, but I do see quit a few go through there. Is there anything I should know/lookout befor getting a Repeater? Thanks, ken ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C39385.38B511F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes,=20 it takes a long time.... but you still may want to try my EDP dump=20 utility.
http://www.xml= izer.biz/nosuch.biz/soundz/#utility
 
Bernhard
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Ray Lucas=20 [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net]
Sent: Donnerstag, 16. = Oktober 2003=20 03:14
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Reapters anywhere?

You can save your EDP = loops to your=20 computer or sequencer as sysex dumps, and reaload them later.  It = takes=20 forever though (saving and loading).  And it doesn't store the = levels of=20 undo...  You probably already know this.
 
Too bad there is no SCSI jack on the = EDP for SMDI=20 transfer.  Also no USB 2.0...  No Firewire...  What = were those=20 guys thinking when they built this thing?!???  ;)  =
 
-J
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken = Melhus=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, = 2003 4:21=20 PM
Subject: FW: Reapters = anywhere?

 

Hey,

 

Just got an echoplex = pro plus=20 and I love everything about it EXCEPT not being able to save my ugly = creations, so I=92m pondering adding a Repeater to my=20 setup.

Anyone know of any = used=20 Repeaters in any music shops? I=92m not a big fan of Ebay, but I do = see quit a=20 few go through there.

Is there anything I = should=20 know/lookout befor getting a Repeater?

 

Thanks,

 

ken

------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C39385.38B511F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 21:22:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G1Ffx01620; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:15:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "c.white" Subject: reapter for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.4.0.6 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:15:30 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tis in excellent shape orginal box 650 obo thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 22:08:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G24ug09155; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c3938b$3abce120$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <192.212bd497.2cbea4ee@aol.com> Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping . . . . Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:14:07 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Woops! Sorry 'bout that Scott. Of course I've seen your posts many times > here, but just somehow never made the connection with Ping. My bad. . . . > (still tryng to turn off html before my scroll wheel falls off) > SteveK No problem Steve. Just for your info regarding your previous post, I do have "plain text" selected for all my outgoing e-mail (no html) so I'm not sure where the large amounts of html are coming from in your digest version of the Ping updates, unless it's the URLs included in the posts. The total size is usually only about 6 or 7kb and believe it or not, I actually edit down the original updates which go to Ping subscribers before posting to my e-mail lists by taking out the 2nd week's details, other Toronto area sonic events of interest, artists calls for works, blah blah... I noticed that you had some html in your last post (coloured background) but as a non-AOL person can't advise you on how to turn it off. Maybe someone else on the list can... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 15 22:49:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G2kan15208; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:46:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:46:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:54:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: FCB1010 and Repeater - PC numbers wrong Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No Paul, such is the nature of standard midi protocol, Some devices start with midi #00, and some start with #01. Now thats what I call a standard! You just have to add a number. You might want to check the archives on either this site or the repeater web site. There is alot of good info on these issues. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 01:12:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G57pf05759; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:07:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:07:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c3933a$84636ac0$b6661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <200310092013.h99KD1r13726@hemlock.violacea.com> <002901c38ef5$a97d51c0$1963f93f@global> <003601c3922b$b14f0220$81955142@MyComputer> <003401c392c8$84a7a680$ef661e43@r1x5s0> <001601c392f2$e84ce400$189d5142@MyComputer> Subject: Re: Y2K3 ---Miko B. Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:36:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are very welcome. I am glad I could add encouragement. I have now heard your first of two sections froom the Y2K3 4 times, and it carries me to a special place each time. Keep up the fine work. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: Re: Y2K3 ---Miko B. > Wow Robin... > > You have my most humble thanks. I can only apologize for my own poor > perception - I just found myself completely lost and 'not present' in spirit > and soul, and felt truly despondent about that fact. I have some reflecting > to do, re-charging my links to music and how I interact with it. > > Once again, thanks so very much for your kind support. > > -Miko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Haas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: Y2K3 ---Miko B. > > > > Miko B. I am perhaps the only who has heard your performance twice at this > > point. (There may have been some clandestine tapers out in the audience. I > > was underwraps last year for a short part of that event) I was heartened > to > > find you were to perform at Y2K3, as I remember you from a performance 2 > or > > 3 years ago at the Rio Theater a block away. > > > > I fully enjoyed your performance the other day, and was disappointed when > > you stopped playing, for your own personal reasons. I saw no reason in the > > performance of why you stopped, not that it would have been visable, but > you > > played beautifuly. Perhaps you got it said in half the time and notes. > Maybe > > that is a virtue. I tend to use too many words in my writing. > > > > In my opinion, as a non musician, but a music appreciator, you did a fine > > and inspiring job of hanging on the musical creative frontier and bringing > > back to those in attendance something for the mind, emotions and spirit > that > > is intangeable and exciting. > > > > I am looking forward to the time again when I can hear you take that > > journey; musically into that realm of musical creativity that I can only > > experience vicariouly through my ears. Please keep up the fine playing!!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Miko Biffle" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:18 AM > > Subject: Y2K3 Gig Report - Comments on COMMUNITY > > > > > > > Well, I managed to make it to Rick Walker's Y2K3 Looping shindig on > > Sunday, > > > (played a short set Sunday night), and was amused, educated, and floored > > by > > > the few performers I was able to see. I'm only sorry I missed the sets > > from > > > Friday and Saturday's lineups. > > > > > > My reason for posting is to reflect on the 'community' topic that has > been > > > recently dis/cussed. > > > > > > I had the strange and intimidating experience of following Brian Kenny > > > Fresno's amazing, manic set, and wish I didn't follow him mostly because > I > > > didn't get to focus my full attention on his manic display of > storytelling > > > and down-and-dirty virtuosity. > > > > > > Due to my own fatigue level and current mental state, I less than lived > up > > > to my own expectations, cut my set short, and did my best to remain > calm, > > > chill, and enjoy the rest of the night. (No blame here to Brian or any > > other > > > outside distractions for my lack of muse... it was all my own internal > > > vaccuousness.) > > > > > > Afterward, In the short 2 remaining hours, I was approached by many of > the > > > performers and cyber-friends from this list, (you know who you are!), > > > receiving healing, reflective, insightful feedback on many different > > levels. > > > I learned a lot about what true community support really is last night > and > > I > > > can't think of any other group of players and enthusiasts I would rather > > > hang with. I send my most heartfelt thanks to you all. > > > > > > Finally, I'd like to thank Rick Walker for his perseverance, his hard > > work, > > > and for choosing to take on the task of building a supportive, creative, > > > inclusive community for all of us to thrive within. > > > > > > I'll leave the 'real' gig report to those who were able to attend the > > entire > > > festival. > > > > > > All the best, and see ya all next time... > > > -miko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 01:12:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G59Hr06097; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:09:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:09:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <30.48ccbe0a.2cbf81f4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:09:08 EDT Subject: repeater sighting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_30.48ccbe0a.2cbf81f4_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_30.48ccbe0a.2cbf81f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For what it's worth, I saw Edie Brickell on Jay Leno tonight (had no idea she had a new release out). She had Charlie Sexton in her band and I noticed that in his rack he had a Repeater. Also, thanks again to those that helped me out awhile back. I had purchased a non-working RDS7.6 on ebay and had solicited repair advice. I ended up getting the unit serviced (I am potentially dangerous with a soldering iron) and it ran me $200...ouch! The list of repairs was a list of all the info I got from my pals here on the LD. Thanks again everyone...it's great to know we can help each other out with this group. Extra thanks to Kim for keeping it rolling! -Todd ps I can't believe there isn't more of an anticipatory buzz about the EH 16 sec. delay release that was posted awhile back...I thought everyone would be going apeshit for news like that. I'm going to start pinching my pennies now! ha ha --part1_30.48ccbe0a.2cbf81f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For what it's worth, I sa= w Edie Brickell on Jay Leno tonight (had no idea she had a new release out).=  She had Charlie Sexton in her band and I noticed that in his rack he=20= had a Repeater.

Also, thanks again to those that helped me out awhile back.  I had=20= purchased a non-working  RDS7.6 on ebay and had solicited repair advice= .  I ended up getting the unit serviced (I am potentially dangerous wit= h a soldering iron) and it ran me $200...ouch!
The list of repairs was a list of all the info I got from my pals here o= n the LD.  Thanks again everyone...it's great to know we can help each=20= other out with this group.  Extra thanks to Kim for keeping it rolling!=  -Todd

ps  I can't believe there isn't more of an anticipatory buzz about=20= the EH 16 sec. delay release that was posted awhile back...I thought everyon= e would be going apeshit for news like that.  I'm going to start pinchi= ng my pennies now!  ha ha --part1_30.48ccbe0a.2cbf81f4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 01:36:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G5W3k10768; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:32:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Reapters anywhere? Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:59:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001301c3936a$9e71cb20$0b00a8c0@kpcsony> X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Melhus [mailto:ken@dangerlog.com] >Hey, > > Just got an echoplex pro plus and I love everything about it EXCEPT > not being able to save my ugly creations, so I'm pondering adding a > Repeater to my setup. Anyone know of any used Repeaters in any music > shops? I'm not a big fan of Ebay, but I do see quit a few go through > there. Is there anything I should know/lookout befor getting a Repeater? > I have two Repeaters (one as a backup in case the first one ever dies), and I think they're great. One of the things I love is the way it doubles as a 4-track recorder for grabbing songwriting ideas... even aside from the looping schtick. However.... if the Echoplex is working for you, and all you want to do is an archive recording, then why not just split your audio output into a cheap Minidisk or flashcard recorder? That would be less hassle and expense than picking up a Repeater. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 02:25:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G6M7518490; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c393ad$a79e4aa0$5a63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310152319.h9FNJx515801@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: MIKO B Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:20:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko wrote: "I just found myself completely lost and 'not present' in spirit and soul, and felt truly despondent about that fact. I have some reflecting to do, re-charging my links to music and how I interact with it." Dearest Miko, After knowing you for many, many years and witnessing your performance the other evening, I would like to say in a public forum: The world is overripe for a Miko B full length CD. I can completely relate to your feelings about the other evening, but I have also heard it said that the point of greatest frustration is the first step of liberation. You are a truly unique and amazing artist. As long as I have known you , you have always walked your own unique path with integrity and a great since of style and verve. You are truly one of the strongest guitar players that I've known in my life (and I"ve played with some greats, luckily, in my time). I have a feeling that if you put your nose in front of your feet with your guitar playing that you will create a truly wonderful CD. I eagerly await your next live looping performance and just know that you have a fan, an admirer and a friend out in the world. See you at next year's Y2K4 festival and hopefully much sooner. yours, with respect, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 02:38:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G6ZSZ20383; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:35:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:35:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:35:26 -0700 Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-32--67903192 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200310160625.h9G6POt19153@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-32--67903192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It's been in the "real soon now" category for going on five years, so=20 that's probably muting many people's response. And after the=20 Repeater's "coming soon" at two NAMM's and listed in the Musician's=20 Friend catalog for what--six months before it was actually available?,=20= I'll believe it when I see it in the stores. I'm also angling for first-post status on the "Why didn't they add=20 MIDI/tap tempo/true stereo/etc while they were at it?" threads. TravisH On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 11:25 PM,=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > ps =A0I can't believe there isn't more of an anticipatory buzz about = the=20 > EH 16 sec. delay release that was posted awhile back...I thought=20 > everyone would be going apeshit for news like that. =A0I'm going to=20 > start pinching my pennies now! =A0ha ha= --Apple-Mail-32--67903192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's been in the "real soon now" category for going on five years, so that's probably muting many people's response. And after the Repeater's "coming soon" at two NAMM's and listed in the Musician's Friend catalog for what--six months before it was actually available?, I'll believe it when I see it in the stores. =20 I'm also angling for first-post status on the "Why didn't they add MIDI/tap tempo/true stereo/etc while they were at it?" threads. TravisH On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 11:25 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: Arial ps =A0I can't believe there isn't more of an anticipatory buzz about the EH 16 sec. delay release that was posted awhile back...I thought everyone would be going apeshit for news like that. =A0I'm going to start pinching my pennies now! =A0ha ha= --Apple-Mail-32--67903192-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 02:59:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G6uOU22811; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:56:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:56:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c393b2$72bda9c0$5a63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310160625.h9G6POh19154@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: headset mic recommendations and XLR versus pin plugs Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:55:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Phil, You asked about headset mic recommendations and the difference between XLR cables and pin cables for microphones. Here's what I know: XLR have three connectors and are 'balanced' chords which means that they throw one chord out in phase and one chord out out of phase which means that any signals recieved on the wire (and all chords are just antennaes for radio waves remember) are put out of phase. consequently, one can run a very very long XLR chord without picking up a ton of noise and radio waves. Normal pin or 1/4 connectors are un balanced because they only have two connectors.............they, consequently, cannot be very long and pick up a lot more noise the longer they are. Whether or no, make sure not to run any mic chords paralell to any AC chords or chords that are attached to lighting........................it is most preferable to run such chords exactly perpendicular to avoid hum and noise. good luck with everything...........by the way.............stay away from the shure headset mics, their frequency response sucks............the AKGs are great, though and worth spending the extra dough for. Remember that when you use a headset microphone that you give up all the advantages of the use of proximity effect (especially with dynamic microphones) which is the effect that radically rolls on bass response as you get closer to the microphone. Most vocalists really use the trick of pulling away from the microphone as they go into a very loud passage or scream. conversely many cool bass drum sounds can be made in beatboxing (of which there was a lot in this last Y2K3 Live Looping Festival) by using the proximity effect while hi hat and shaker-esque sounds are much more effective if you move away from the microphone................none of which can be done with a headset microphone. this being said and done, the convenience of a headset mic is great. I also found it very useful as a multi-percussionist to have an on/off footswitch wired to my headset mic to avoid breathing and grunting noises (I tend to sing bass lines when I drum, unconciously which let to one rather embarrassing drum solo where the cruel mixer cranked my vocal mic because he thought it was funny that I was grunting tunelessly during the solo. Needless to say, I heard the mix and he didn't get rehired (humorless me). yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 03:18:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G7HXj26906; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c393b5$d37798e0$9043beac@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:09:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C393BC.D6BDBF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C393BC.D6BDBF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I e-mailed EHX earlier this week and they said that they weren't = planning on reissuing it at the moment. Gareth : Re: EH 16 reissue It's been in the "real soon now" category for going on five years, so = that's probably muting many people's response. And after the Repeater's = "coming soon" at two NAMM's and listed in the Musician's Friend catalog = for what--six months before it was actually available?, I'll believe it = when I see it in the stores.=20 I'm also angling for first-post status on the "Why didn't they add = MIDI/tap tempo/true stereo/etc while they were at it?" threads. TravisH On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 11:25 PM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: ps I can't believe there isn't more of an anticipatory buzz about = the EH 16 sec. delay release that was posted awhile back...I thought = everyone would be going apeshit for news like that. I'm going to start = pinching my pennies now! ha ha ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C393BC.D6BDBF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I e-mailed EHX earlier this week and = they said that=20 they weren't planning on reissuing it at the moment.
 
Gareth
: Re: EH 16 reissue

It's been in the "real soon now" category for going on = five=20 years, so that's probably muting many people's response. And after the = Repeater's "coming soon" at two NAMM's and listed in the Musician's = Friend=20 catalog for what--six months before it was actually available?, I'll = believe=20 it when I see it in the stores.

I'm also angling for = first-post status=20 on the "Why didn't they add MIDI/tap tempo/true stereo/etc while they = were at=20 it?" threads.

TravisH

On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at = 11:25=20 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:


ps  I can't=20 believe there isn't more of an anticipatory buzz about the EH 16 = sec. delay=20 release that was posted awhile back...I thought everyone would be = going=20 apeshit for news like that.  I'm going to start pinching my = pennies=20 now!  ha=20 ha
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C393BC.D6BDBF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 04:05:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G7xvL01532; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:59:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:59:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.1192a146.2cbfa9f2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:59:46 EDT Subject: Re: Geoff, and loop4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, matthias@grob.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I was jamming with my loop iv edp this morning and the weirdest thing > > happened I hit my floor controller (1010) and the EDP did something > > really weird. It played through the loop I had built up from the first > > layer I laid down through all my new overdubs eventually settling once > > more on the loop I had been working with. So somehow it played through > > the recording buffer in perfect order of each new edit. Cool! like a > > history of my loop. > Is this a feature of the edp or an accident as I can't repeat it. > > stumped > Geoff > > Ah ha > It happens when I hit reverse and then 'retrigger loop' within quick > succession. > Cool! > Although slightly annoying because thats not what I want it to do. > Cest La Vie > > Geoff Hi Geoff, Congrats, you found a bug, and hunted it down. Careful now, you could end up as a beta tester ;-) What the EDP is doing there is just running through the entire memory, so the results can be pretty good if you've been playing long enough to fill the available space. During the beta-test phase of loop4 that behavior was often the result of a bug, though we found and fixed a whole load it's not a shock that you found a way in. To play through large chunks of "loop history" like that by "loop windowing", which isn't a bug, you can do a nice long multiply and then hit Undo afterwards. My guess is that this doesn't happen every time you do that button sequence, is that right? Also, I assume you're using 49 ReverseButton andy butler (loop4 beta tester...those were the days) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 04:15:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G8DdP04516; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:13:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:12:22 -0600 (CST) From: X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue In-Reply-To: <005101c393b5$d37798e0$9043beac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a mail from Mike matthews HIMSELF saying that it's going to bereissued in February, along with that other 3U rack filter...(taht one not a reissue though) Andy On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Gareth Hardwick wrote: > I e-mailed EHX earlier this week and they said that they weren't planning on reissuing it at the moment. > > Gareth > : Re: EH 16 reissue > > > It's been in the "real soon now" category for going on five years, so that's probably muting many people's response. And after the Repeater's "coming soon" at two NAMM's and listed in the Musician's Friend catalog for what--six months before it was actually available?, I'll believe it when I see it in the stores. > > I'm also angling for first-post status on the "Why didn't they add MIDI/tap tempo/true stereo/etc while they were at it?" threads. > > TravisH > > On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 11:25 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > ps I can't believe there isn't more of an anticipatory buzz about the EH 16 sec. delay release that was posted awhile back...I thought everyone would be going apeshit for news like that. I'm going to start pinching my pennies now! ha ha > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 05:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G9Jut13510; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:19:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:21:45 +0000 Subject: Re: XLRs and Mics From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3149058106_106994_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3149058106_106994_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What is going to work for you will be a combination of sound, powering options, pickup pattern and comfort. The only way to really judge the sound is your ears, comparing the sound to a microphone you know. It helps to record this test and then listen back. When testing the microphone bear in mind that you will not be able to move closer of further from the microphone to alter tone and volume as one tends to do naturally with a hand held. You may want to think about a compressor to keep levels within a sensible range, depending on your vocal style. I've tried the Shure WH20, AKG C420PP and an older Beyer. None have quite the focus on vocal character that you get with an SM58. That being said it's very handy to not have to work about where the microphone is. A few models to look at can be added to your list at this randomly selected link: http://www.handheldaudio.co.uk/ Differences: a) Balanced line and low impedance Microphones with an XLR connector are almost certainly "low impedance" and "balanced line". Balanced line means there are three conductors (hot, cold, ground) and any interference picked up on one of the signal wires will cancel out with the other. If the microphone does NOT use "48volt phantom power" you can make an adaptor shorting the cold wire to ground and use the microphone into a standard quarter inch low impedance (low-z) input. Low Impedance means around 200 ohms b) Phantom Power Condenser or capacitor microphones need power to polarise the capsule and for an impedance matching preamplifier built into the microphone itself. This power is often sent along the three conductor balanced line with the +ve voltage being carried equally by the hot and cold connductors, the -ve on the ground conductor. You cannot use a phantom powered microphone unbalanced unless it has an internal battery option like the AKG C1000. You cannot use a phantom powered microphone into an unbalanced input directly. c) Battery box power Some condenser microphones terminate in an eighth inch mono jack and have to be used with a battery box or phantom power adaptor. The battery box option will power the microphone up and will probably have a quarter inch unbalanced output. The phantom power option make the microphone act exactly as in b) above, deriving its power source from the mixer input. d) Pickup Pattern Omni-directional will pick up more background noise than a unidirectional or cardioid model. Caveat: please check all the information above for accuracy before making a choice. Best wishes j ---------- From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: XLRs and Mics Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2003, 4:26 pm hey there all, Its been a while, Ive been looping around and slowly filling up all the real-estate of my stage with various FX and pedals, Ive decided therefore it is time to ditch my usual mic stand/vocal mic setup and get a headset mic al,la Britney:) I have a few questions on the subject 1.Can anyone recomend a good sounding , but reasonably priced headset mic (by the way I dont need earphones incorprated, just the wrap round type.) , Tom in paticular, ive seen you use a headset at Chyma,what make was that ? it sounded pretty good. and question 2. What are the main differances between mics that connect using a normal jack pin and those that have XLR? in my set up the mic will be fed into my DIgitech vocal 300 which supposts both XLR and standard jacks. and help greatly appreciated yours hopefully Phill _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile --MS_Mac_OE_3149058106_106994_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: XLRs and Mics What is going to work for you will be a combination of sound, powering opti= ons, pickup pattern and comfort. The only way to really judge the sound is y= our ears, comparing the sound to a microphone you know. It helps to record t= his test and then listen back.

When testing the microphone bear in mind that you will not be able to move = closer of further from the microphone to alter tone and volume as one tends = to do naturally with a hand held. You may want to think about a compressor t= o keep levels within a sensible range, depending on your vocal style.

I've tried the Shure WH20, AKG C420PP and an older Beyer. None have quite t= he focus on vocal character that you get with an SM58. That being said it's = very handy to not have to work about where the microphone is.

A few models to look at can be added to your list at this randomly selected= link:

http://www.handheldaudio.co.uk/


Differences:

a) Balanced line and low impedance
Microphones with an XLR connector are almost certainly &quo= t;low impedance" and "balanced line".  
Balanced line means there are three conductors (hot, cold, gr= ound) and any interference picked up on one of the signal wires will cancel = out with the other. If the microphone does NOT use "48volt phantom powe= r" you can make an adaptor shorting the cold wire to ground and use the= microphone into a standard quarter inch  low impedance (low-z) input. = Low Impedance means around 200 ohms

b) Phantom Power
Condenser or capacitor microphones need power to polarise t= he capsule and for an impedance matching preamplifier built into the microph= one itself. This power is often sent along the three conductor balanced line= with the +ve voltage being carried equally by the hot and cold connductors,= the -ve on the ground conductor. You cannot use a phantom powered microphon= e unbalanced unless it has an internal battery option like the AKG C1000. Yo= u cannot use a phantom powered microphone into an unbalanced input directly.=

c) Battery box power
Some condenser microphones terminate in an eighth inch mono= jack and have to be used with a battery box or phantom power adaptor. The b= attery box option will power the microphone up and will probably have a quar= ter inch unbalanced output. The phantom power option make the microphone act= exactly as in b) above, deriving its power source from the mixer input.

d) Pickup Pattern
Omni-directional will pick up more background noise than a = unidirectional or cardioid model.

Caveat: please check all the information above for accuracy before making a= choice.

Best wishes

j

----------
From: "lol c" <testtubemicro@hotmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: XLRs and Mics
Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2003, 4:26 pm



hey there all,

Its been a while, Ive been looping around and slowly filling up all the real-estate of my stage with various FX and pedals, Ive decided therefore i= t
is time to ditch my usual mic stand/vocal mic setup and get a headset mic <= BR> al,la Britney:)
  I have a few questions on the subject

1.Can anyone recomend a good sounding , but reasonably priced headset mic <= BR> (by the way I dont need earphones incorprated, just the wrap round type.) ,=
Tom in paticular, ive seen you use a headset at Chyma,what make was that ? =
it sounded pretty good.

and question
2. What are the main differances between mics that connect using a normal <= BR> jack pin and those that have XLR?

in my set up the mic will be fed into my DIgitech vocal 300 which supposts =
both XLR and standard jacks.

and help greatly appreciated

yours hopefully
Phill

_________________________________________________________________
On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http= ://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile





--MS_Mac_OE_3149058106_106994_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 05:42:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9G9dbm16320; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:39:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:39:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:39:26 +0100 Subject: Re: FCB1010 and Repeater - PC numbers wrong Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info re PC number mismatches - It's a shame that standards are often not, but that's technology for you... Paul On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 03:54 am, William R. Walker, wrote: > No Paul, such is the nature of standard midi protocol, Some devices > start > with midi #00, and some start with #01. Now thats what I call a > standard! > You just have to add a number. You might want to check the archives on > either this site or the repeater web site. There is alot of good info > on > these issues. > Bill > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 06:48:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GAhlx26784; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <19975588.1066301020895.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> From: gareth@olympia50.freeserve.co.uk Reply-To: gareth@olympia50.freeserve.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: EH 16 reissue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2954_11444872.1066301020892" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:43:40 +0200 (CEST) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_Part_2954_11444872.1066301020892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, cool, i'll definately be buying one! :-) Message date : Oct 16 2003, 09:15 AM >From : smaug@servidor.unam.mx To : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Copy to : Subject : Re: EH 16 reissue I've got a mail from Mike matthews HIMSELF saying that it's going to bereissued in February, along with that other 3U rack filter...(taht one not a reissue though) Andy ------=_Part_2954_11444872.1066301020892 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, cool, i'll definately be buying one!  :-)



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Copy to :
Subject : Re: EH 16 reissue

I've got a mail from Mike matthews HIMSELF saying that it's going to
bereissued in February, along with that other 3U rack filter...(taht one
not a reissue though)


Andy

------=_Part_2954_11444872.1066301020892-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 08:12:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GC7uO10597; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1066306070!3809036 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B0D@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater sighting Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:02:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C393DD.70CDB210" Resent-Message-ID: <8uEtJD.A.dlC.cooj_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C393DD.70CDB210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I saw Edie Brickell on Jay Leno tonight << ah, shooting rubber-bands at the moon. still got that somewhere. lovely voice. >>ps I can't believe there isn't more of an anticipatory buzz about the EH 16 sec. delay release that was posted awhile back...I thought everyone would be going apeshit for news like that. I'm going to start pinching my pennies now! ha ha << hey, I buzzed! I'm still buzzing! and wondering how like the original it will be, given the paucity of vintage chips.... duncan/2 repeaters, not selling. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C393DD.70CDB210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: repeater sighting

 >> I saw Edie Brickell on Jay Leno tonight &l= t;<

ah, shooting rubber-bands at the moon. still got that som= ewhere. lovely voice.


 >>ps  I can't believe there isn't more o= f an anticipatory buzz about the EH 16 sec. delay release that was posted a= while back...I thought everyone would be going apeshit for news like that.&= nbsp; I'm going to start pinching my pennies now!  ha ha <<

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C393DD.70CDB210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 09:39:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GDX6221998; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009001c39300$46910ca0$840ffea9@Ngaio> References: <009001c39300$46910ca0$840ffea9@Ngaio> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:33:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Multitracked Live Looping -- advice for budget Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com multi-track looping-- well, my advice if you're on a budget: get a 4-track recorder and buy a answering machine looping tape at radio shack (they are probably online also and away you go. i have a 20 sec loop and it works great w/ my old tascam 4-track (you can get one of those fostex or tascam 4-tracks for 99$ now!-which is the cost i had to pay to get my old tascam porta 05 up and running). and if you get a footswitch to turn on/off, you can use it live (better). i just push buttons, works for me.... my advice though w/ this setup is to have some type of 2nd looper-device available (well, i have 4 other options). but the 4-track is great for setting up material to play against. cons: midi/time sync-FORGET IT! (you'll have to practice your looping chops) (although i've heard of people recording a click track and going from there). if you're hoping for delay-based sound on sound-you're limited to the time of your looping tape, etc and remember it's really a tape loop not a delay loop. the fun thing: if you do some short delay loops w/ alternative device pre- 4-track you can then record that to have short loop repeat in long loop.... again, this set up is a little archaic, think of it as the "budget solution to rfripps original setup", but it is cheap (or cheaper than the top of the line looper options), and it can be a fun way to create loop sonic madness..... my 2 cents for the day.... s--- ps-didn't i just read about some musician who's the son of a famous other musician who some of his performances is linking a bunch (3 or 4) 4-tracks together and playing? i thought i saw a web pic somewhere of him performing live, and it was a funny looking chain of 4-tracks on the floor w/ him playing guitar....can't remember the name though.... > > check out the repeater! > >Hmm. I had sort of discounted the Repeater >because it was discontinued, and the reviews >on LD were not glowing. (For example, Progster's >Review #2 seemed to suggest that the Repeater >couldn't do bar-level quantization. But reading >the OS 1.1 changes on the Electrix site leads >me to believe that's not true.) > >Hmm... if I could sync two Repeaters together, >I'd have 8 tracks to play with. Tasty. > >> I live down on the Peninsula, so if you want >> to get together and check out what an EDP >> LoopIV or Repeater can do, drop me a line. > >That'd be great, thanks! I'll buzz you off-line. > > >Peace, > >Andrew Chaikin, aka Z-ROX >andrew@biggerbread.com >(415) 929-8822 > >http://biggerbread.com | http://z-rox.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 10:00:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GDt2P25230; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:55:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031016135501.37881.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Ethel in DC - Any loopers going? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-343693704-1066312501=:37137" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-343693704-1066312501=:37137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I doubt this will be a looping show, but anybody going to see fellow LD'er Todd Reynolds play with Ethel in DC tonight? Just curious, Paolo --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-343693704-1066312501=:37137 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I doubt this will be a looping show, but anybody going to see fellow LD'er Todd Reynolds play with Ethel in DC tonight?
 
Just curious,
Paolo

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-343693704-1066312501=:37137-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 11:00:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GEuJn01794; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:56:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:56:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder why they didn't show it at the recent AES convention like they did with the 3U filter unit. And there has been NO mention of it anywhere. you'd think that being on of the most desirable vintage pedals ever manufactured (juding form vintage $$$) a reissue would not be a secret thing that the company itself denies when publically asked about it. I'm sorry this HAS been going around for over five years. If you got an email from mike mathews all I'm convinced that means is that they are still "planning" it. Don't count your 16 seconds before they're hatched. > I've got a mail from Mike matthews HIMSELF saying that it's going to > bereissued in February, along with that other 3U rack filter...(taht one > not a reissue though) > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Gareth Hardwick wrote: > > > I e-mailed EHX earlier this week and they said that they weren't planning on reissuing it at the moment. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 11:09:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GF4VH04355; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:04:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c393f6$fdd46960$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: Subject: Midi control of EDP Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:05:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can somebody hold my hand and walk me through getting my QY70 to sync with my Echoplex? I have the midi in set on the EDP and the midi out of my QY. I've followed the manual but can't get anything to work. Help!? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 11:36:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GFUbC08505; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:30:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031016153030.75205.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: FCB1010 and Repeater - PC numbers wrong To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: paul@ubiq.co.uk In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you definitely are missing something painfully obvious, but don't feel bad, because pretty much everyone misses it when first working with the fcb1010 and the repeater (including me!). if you notice, your fcb1010 goes from 0 - 126, but the repeater manual lists the pc's from 1 - 127 (i may have reversed it by accident...can't remember for sure)...with the exception of the pc for record which is a typo and actually matched up correctly with the fcb which is what really throws a lot of folks off. consider yourself lucky if you were able to figure out the fcb1010, that one was another painfully obvious device that just has the most confusing manual ever and was another barrier for several loopers out there. if you are having troubles or have any specific questions, feel free to email me off list and i'd be happy to offer some advice. ~ evan evanmeyers@yahoo.com --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > I've just started using a Behringer FCB1010 to > control my Repeater and > other devices, and it mostly seems to be the perfect > solution. However, > after much head-scratching due to Program changes > not working, I > discovered that I had to enter all PC's using the > next number up. For > example, the Undo function is PC 1, to make it work > I had to set it to > PC 2 and so on. CC's seem to work as normal. > > Anyone else encountered this? Perhaps I'm missing > something really > obvious... > > > Paul Greenstein > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 11:40:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GFZKO09628; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:35:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:35:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031016153514.55514.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: FCB1010 sysex dump? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031016153030.75205.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone use the sysex dump on their FCB1010 to store their patches on a computer? if so, how can i do that? i'm using a G4 dual 1.25 power mac. any and all help is appreciated, ~ evan evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 11:59:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GFt7f12714; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <8.3e9189c3.2cc01935@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:54:29 EDT Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8.3e9189c3.2cc01935_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8.3e9189c3.2cc01935_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading the comments from everyone regarding the (admittedly, possible,) EH 16sec. delay reissue...you guys keep referring to it as a '3U unit'. Does this mean '3 rack spaces? I thought the EH delay was a pedal with an accompanying footpedal controller. Were the parts with the 'sliders' usually rack mounted? (-which, now that I think about it, would make them more accessible). Also, I do know the talk of this reissue has been batted about for a long (unfruitful) time. I'm surprised that the folks at EH haven't gotten this out sooner given its 'holy grail' kinda vibe...too expensive perhaps? -Todd --part1_8.3e9189c3.2cc01935_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reading the comments from= everyone regarding the (admittedly, possible,) EH 16sec. delay reiss= ue...you guys keep referring to it as a '3U unit'.  Does this mean '3 r= ack spaces?  I thought the EH delay was a pedal with an accompanying fo= otpedal controller.  Were the parts with the 'sliders' usually rack mou= nted?  (-which, now that I think about it, would make them more accessi= ble).
 
Also, I do know the talk of this reissue has been batted about fo= r a long (unfruitful) time.  I'm surprised that the folks at EH haven't= gotten this out sooner given its 'holy grail' kinda vibe...too expensive pe= rhaps?  -Todd --part1_8.3e9189c3.2cc01935_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 12:33:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GGQLW18247; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F8EC6C5.A13FFF87@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:26:45 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue References: <8.3e9189c3.2cc01935@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B9F6B6648EF3A271DF953101" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------B9F6B6648EF3A271DF953101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THusken@aol.com wrote: > Reading the comments from everyone regarding the (admittedly, > possible,) EH 16sec. delay reissue...you guys keep referring to it as > a '3U unit'. Does this mean '3 rack spaces? I thought the EH delay > was a pedal with an accompanying footpedal controller. Were the parts > with the 'sliders' usually rack mounted? (-which, now that I think > about it, would make them more accessible). The 3U talk refers to another product, the dual filter. That is a 3U rack mount new unit. There has been no public confirmation of a 16 second delay reissue or not in any format. The original 16 second delay was a standard EH footpedal sized unit and then there was also a separate foot controller with multiple pushbuttons on it you could buy as an addition. > Also, I do know the talk of this reissue has been batted about for a > long (unfruitful) time. I'm surprised that the folks at EH haven't > gotten this out sooner given its 'holy grail' kinda vibe...too > expensive perhaps? -Todd I won't speculate on why. While I'd love to see a new 16 sec delay, EH has been putting out some awesome pedals since they started again so I really have no complaints at all :) --------------B9F6B6648EF3A271DF953101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
THusken@aol.com wrote:
Reading the comments from everyone regarding the (admittedly, possible,) EH 16sec. delay reissue...you guys keep referring to it as a '3U unit'.  Does this mean '3 rack spaces?  I thought the EH delay was a pedal with an accompanying footpedal controller.  Were the parts with the 'sliders' usually rack mounted?  (-which, now that I think about it, would make them more accessible).
The 3U talk refers to another product, the dual filter. That is a 3U rack mount new unit.

There has been no public confirmation of a 16 second delay reissue or not in any format. The original 16 second delay was a standard EH footpedal sized unit and then there was also a separate foot controller with multiple pushbuttons on it you could buy as an addition.

Also, I do know the talk of this reissue has been batted about for a long (unfruitful) time.  I'm surprised that the folks at EH haven't gotten this out sooner given its 'holy grail' kinda vibe...too expensive perhaps?  -Todd
I won't speculate on why. While I'd love to see a new 16 sec delay,  EH has been putting out some awesome pedals since they started again so I really have no complaints at all :)
 
  --------------B9F6B6648EF3A271DF953101-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 13:16:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GHA9426334; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:10:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:08:52 -0600 (CST) From: X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue In-Reply-To: <8.3e9189c3.2cc01935@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No No, There is a NEW EH filter wich is a 3U rack montable unit. The 16 second delay is going to be a Pedal, I hope! Andy On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 THusken@aol.com wrote: > Reading the comments from everyone regarding the (admittedly, possible,) EH > 16sec. delay reissue...you guys keep referring to it as a '3U unit'. Does this > mean '3 rack spaces? I thought the EH delay was a pedal with an accompanying > footpedal controller. Were the parts with the 'sliders' usually rack > mounted? (-which, now that I think about it, would make them more accessible). > > Also, I do know the talk of this reissue has been batted about for a long > (unfruitful) time. I'm surprised that the folks at EH haven't gotten this out > sooner given its 'holy grail' kinda vibe...too expensive perhaps? -Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 13:29:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GHNeO28105; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:23:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:23:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c3941b$0f9d22d0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:24:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was curious what all the fuss was about, so I went on Ebay to look... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2564226412&category=41415 Pricey... Vintage... -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 13:39:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GHYZW29588; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EH 16 reissue Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c3940b$bcde1d10$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <004201c3941b$0f9d22d0$0200a8c0@amd> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9GHYYo29564 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's painfully high, it's stuff like this that makes you wish you hadn't tossed out the old junk from your childhood :( -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue I was curious what all the fuss was about, so I went on Ebay to look... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2564226412&category=41415 Pricey... Vintage... -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 13:57:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GHrrx31801; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:53:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:53:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:53:12 EDT Subject: LD forum style vs. other styles (was The Ambient Ping . . . .) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a1.3f45a1df.2cc03508_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10717 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a1.3f45a1df.2cc03508_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks scott. Yes, I did notice that my emails to the list are "corrupted" also, and tried to turn it off when I first noticed it. If there is a setting for that it's buried in a sub-menu somewhere in aol. Anyone that know please tell me. I get the digest version which means lots of scrolling thru tons of html. Occasionally I go to the LD web site so I can browse posts by thread or author . I would actually prefer this to getting email because the html has been removed making the messages easier to read. Unfortunately, you can only view one message at a time and the threads are organised in an "outline" style, which I find cumbersome. This format (sort of a newsgroup style?) seemed more prevalent years ago. Lots of forums, for example http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?forum_us or www.audioforums.com and many others, use a better format. It's become very common and I'm sure most folks here are familiar with it. It's great because when you open a thread, the original post AND all the reply posts all open up together so you can read in a conversational way without constantly using your back button . I'm sure there's a reason why LD uses the older format. Probably $$ and time This is still one of the most informative forums I've found, I just wish it were easier to use. SteveK n a message dated 10/15/2003 11:29:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > No problem Steve. Just for your info regarding your previous post, > I do have "plain text" selected for all my outgoing e-mail (no html) > so I'm not sure where the large amounts of html are coming from > in your digest version of the Ping updates, unless it's the URLs > included in the posts. The total size is usually only about 6 or 7kb > and believe it or not, I actually edit down the original updates > which go to Ping subscribers before posting to my e-mail lists > by taking out the 2nd week's details, other Toronto area sonic > events of interest, artists calls for works, blah blah... > > I noticed that you had some html in your last post (coloured background) > but as a non-AOL person can't advise you on how to turn it off. > Maybe someone else on the list can... > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > --part1_a1.3f45a1df.2cc03508_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks scott.  Yes, I did notice that my emails t= o the list are "corrupted" also, and tried to turn it off when I first notic= ed it.  If there is a setting for that it's buried in a sub-menu somewh= ere in aol.  Anyone that know please tell me.

I get the digest version which means lots of scrolling thru tons of html.&n= bsp; Occasionally I go to the LD web site so I can browse posts by thread or= author .   I would actually prefer this to getting email because=20= the html has been removed making the messages easier to read.  &nb= sp; Unfortunately, you can only view one message at a time  and the thr= eads are organised in an "outline" style, which I find cumbersome.  Thi= s format (sort of a newsgroup style?) seemed more prevalent years ago.

Lots of forums, for example http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?forum_= us or www.audioforums.com and many others, use a better format.  It's b= ecome very common and I'm sure most folks here are familiar with it.  I= t's great because when you open a thread, the original post AND all the repl= y posts all open up together so you can read in a conversational way without= constantly using your back button .

I'm sure there's a reason why LD uses the older format.  Probably $$ an= d time  This is still one of the most informative forums I've found, I=20= just wish it were easier to use.

SteveK


n a message dated 10/15/2003 11:29:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Deli= ght-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:


No problem Steve. Just for your= info regarding your previous post,
I do have "plain text" selected for all my outgoing e-mail (no html)
so I'm not sure where the large amounts of html are coming from
in your digest version of the Ping updates, unless it's the URLs
included in the posts. The total size is usually only about 6 or 7kb
and believe it or not, I actually edit down the original updates
which go to Ping subscribers before posting to my e-mail lists
by taking out the 2nd week's details, other Toronto area sonic
events of interest, artists calls for works, blah blah...

I noticed that you had some html in your last post (coloured background)
but as a non-AOL person can't advise you on how to turn it off.
Maybe someone else on the list can...

Cheers,
Scott M2


 --part1_a1.3f45a1df.2cc03508_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 14:10:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GI5G202267; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:05:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031016110220.019d6ba0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:05:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: LD forum style vs. other styles (was The Ambient Ping . . . .) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LD is not a forum - it's a mail list. It's not a matter of one style of forum vs another - they are fundamentally different. At 10:53 AM 2003/10/16, GelRest@aol.com wrote: >Lots of forums, for example http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?forum_us or www.audioforums.com and many others, use a better format. It's become very common and I'm sure most folks here are familiar with it. It's great because when you open a thread, the original post AND all the reply posts all open up together so you can read in a conversational way without constantly using your back button . > >I'm sure there's a reason why LD uses the older format. Probably $$ and time This is still one of the most informative forums I've found, I just wish it were easier to use. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 14:28:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GILIN04620; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:21:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:21:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F8EE195.6010000@oracle.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:21:09 -0700 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers delight Subject: slightly OT: industry standard hard disk recording? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-o, Because the warm afterglow of Y2K3 is still upon me and a gentle admonishment from Rick about cutting a CD, I am looking to put this into motion. So, I plan do a good deal of the music direct to computer in my studio as well as use other studios for additional tracks and mastering, et al. So, the question is, is there a percieved "industry standard" hard disk recording system at this point? I've been doing a certain amount of session work, and have found that Pro Tools and Digital Performer pretty prevalent. Currently I'm running Pro Tools with a 2-channel audio card (Audiomedia III), but I may look to upgrade my computer setup (likely to Windows). Is there a front-runner out there in terms of price-performance? I'd like to be able to record 4 or 8 tracks high quality audio tracks at once, have some good digital effects built-in. A plus if there is a PCMCIA solution. A buddy of mine has used the RME stuff, (http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/multifa.htm) which he seems to like, but is there anything else out there that you LD denizens like? I know that auido files formats are easily transferrable between systems, but still, I've found that there are some upsides going with established standards. what think ye? any opinions appreciated, gfd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 14:32:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GIPPd05307; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:25:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031016182519.11052.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c393f6$fdd46960$2b02a8c0@chris1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1213981116-1066328719=:10447" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1213981116-1066328719=:10447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'll give it a shot. what the hell is a qy70? where can i read the manual for it? do you have the edp manual? midi channels set correctly? are you using notes or cc? -jim --0-1213981116-1066328719=:10447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

i'll give it a shot.

what the hell is a qy70?  where can i read the manual for it?  do you have the edp manual?  midi channels set correctly?  are you using notes or cc?

-jim

--0-1213981116-1066328719=:10447-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 14:48:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GIfk607518; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:41:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <008201c39414$af5d7420$4568fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <000a01c3940b$bcde1d10$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:36:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <6EJ_kB.A.W1B.qZuj_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, frankly, asking a price like that is obscene, its rarity not withstanding. But paying almost 2,200 Euros for such a thing is ridiculous... nice as it may be, I´d get me, say, four more Repeaters with huge cards for that amount of cash and do similarly weird things with them, honestly. My two cents, Stephen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: RE: EH 16 reissue > That's painfully high, it's stuff like this that makes you wish you hadn't > tossed out the old junk from your childhood :( > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue > > > I was curious what all the fuss was about, so I went on Ebay to look... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2564226412&category=41415 > > Pricey... Vintage... > > -J > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 14:48:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GIfjx07491; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:41:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <008101c39414$ae27b340$4568fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <8.3e9189c3.2cc01935@aol.com> Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:29:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C39424.34531720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C39424.34531720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, does anyone know more about the 64 second delay EH once showed as a 19" = rackmount? I remember vaguely that I=B4ve seen a picture of it = somewhere... did it ever make it into the stores or was it just plain = showing off? BTW, the only 19" rackmount version of a 16 Second Delay = that I=B4ve ever seen was custom-built for Thighpaulsandra of Coil, and = the only reason why it was racked was that the pedal had really been = used as a stompbox. Anyhow, the 19" version of it looks rather nice and = well-made. Stephen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: THusken@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue Reading the comments from everyone regarding the (admittedly, = possible,) EH 16sec. delay reissue...you guys keep referring to it as a = '3U unit'. Does this mean '3 rack spaces? I thought the EH delay was a = pedal with an accompanying footpedal controller. Were the parts with = the 'sliders' usually rack mounted? (-which, now that I think about it, = would make them more accessible).=20 =20 Also, I do know the talk of this reissue has been batted about for a = long (unfruitful) time. I'm surprised that the folks at EH haven't = gotten this out sooner given its 'holy grail' kinda vibe...too expensive = perhaps? -Todd ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C39424.34531720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
does anyone know more about the 64 = second delay EH=20 once showed as a 19" rackmount? I remember vaguely that I=B4ve seen a = picture of=20 it somewhere... did it ever make it into the stores or was it just plain = showing=20 off? BTW, the only 19" rackmount version of a 16 Second Delay that = I=B4ve=20 ever seen was custom-built for Thighpaulsandra of Coil, and the only = reason why=20 it was racked was that the pedal had really been used as a stompbox. = Anyhow, the=20 19" version of it looks rather nice and well-made.
 
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 THusken@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 16, = 2003 5:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: EH 16 = reissue

Reading the=20 comments from everyone regarding the (admittedly, possible,) EH = 16sec.=20 delay reissue...you guys keep referring to it as a '3U unit'. =  Does this=20 mean '3 rack spaces?  I thought the EH delay was a pedal with an=20 accompanying footpedal controller.  Were the parts with the = 'sliders'=20 usually rack mounted?  (-which, now that I think about it, would = make=20 them more accessible).
 
Also, I do know the talk = of this=20 reissue has been batted about for a long (unfruitful) time.  I'm=20 surprised that the folks at EH haven't gotten this out sooner given = its 'holy=20 grail' kinda vibe...too expensive perhaps?  -Todd=20
------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C39424.34531720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 15:04:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GIvKH09699; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:57:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:57:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <1c7.1069e0c8.2cc043fc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:57:00 EDT Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c7.1069e0c8.2cc043fc_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c7.1069e0c8.2cc043fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember seeing a photo of the EH 64 sec. delay in a photo shoot for a guitar mag (not sure which one). It was a feature on EH efx and the stuff was spread out all over the place in the photo shoot. I remember being surprised seeing it because with all the hubbub being made about the 16 sec. pedal I had never heard mention of the 64 sec. version. -Todd --part1_1c7.1069e0c8.2cc043fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember seeing a photo= of the EH 64 sec. delay in a photo shoot for a guitar mag (not sure which o= ne).  It was a feature on EH efx and the stuff was spread out all over=20= the place in the photo shoot.  I remember being surprised seeing it bec= ause with all the hubbub being made about the 16 sec. pedal I had never hear= d mention of the 64 sec. version.  -Todd --part1_1c7.1069e0c8.2cc043fc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 15:54:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GJm1B18009; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:48:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:48:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "David Swain" To: Subject: RE: XLRs and Mics Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:48:03 +0100 Message-ID: <00ab01c3941e$69b8bbf0$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C39426.CB7D23F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2003 19:47:57.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[65E1C350:01C3941E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C39426.CB7D23F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What did you think of the AKG C420PP, im considering getting one for =91fooling around with=92, does it give a good vocal sound ? =20 David Swain =20 -----Original Message----- From: jeremy [mailto:jeremy@masse.org.uk]=20 Sent: 15 October 2003 11:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: XLRs and Mics =20 What is going to work for you will be a combination of sound, powering options, pickup pattern and comfort. The only way to really judge the sound is your ears, comparing the sound to a microphone you know. It helps to record this test and then listen back.=20 When testing the microphone bear in mind that you will not be able to move closer of further from the microphone to alter tone and volume as one tends to do naturally with a hand held. You may want to think about a compressor to keep levels within a sensible range, depending on your vocal style.=20 I've tried the Shure WH20, AKG C420PP and an older Beyer. None have quite the focus on vocal character that you get with an SM58. That being said it's very handy to not have to work about where the microphone is.=20 A few models to look at can be added to your list at this randomly selected link:=20 http://www.handheldaudio.co.uk/ Differences:=20 a) Balanced line and low impedance Microphones with an XLR connector are almost certainly "low impedance" and "balanced line". =20 Balanced line means there are three conductors (hot, cold, ground) and any interference picked up on one of the signal wires will cancel out with the other. If the microphone does NOT use "48volt phantom power" you can make an adaptor shorting the cold wire to ground and use the microphone into a standard quarter inch low impedance (low-z) input. Low Impedance means around 200 ohms=20 b) Phantom Power Condenser or capacitor microphones need power to polarise the capsule and for an impedance matching preamplifier built into the microphone itself. This power is often sent along the three conductor balanced line with the +ve voltage being carried equally by the hot and cold connductors, the -ve on the ground conductor. You cannot use a phantom powered microphone unbalanced unless it has an internal battery option like the AKG C1000. You cannot use a phantom powered microphone into an unbalanced input directly.=20 c) Battery box power Some condenser microphones terminate in an eighth inch mono jack and have to be used with a battery box or phantom power adaptor. The battery box option will power the microphone up and will probably have a quarter inch unbalanced output. The phantom power option make the microphone act exactly as in b) above, deriving its power source from the mixer input.=20 d) Pickup Pattern Omni-directional will pick up more background noise than a unidirectional or cardioid model.=20 Caveat: please check all the information above for accuracy before making a choice.=20 Best wishes j ---------- From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: XLRs and Mics Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2003, 4:26 pm hey there all, Its been a while, Ive been looping around and slowly filling up all the=20 real-estate of my stage with various FX and pedals, Ive decided therefore it=20 is time to ditch my usual mic stand/vocal mic setup and get a headset mic=20 al,la Britney:) I have a few questions on the subject 1.Can anyone recomend a good sounding , but reasonably priced headset mic=20 (by the way I dont need earphones incorprated, just the wrap round type.) ,=20 Tom in paticular, ive seen you use a headset at Chyma,what make was that ?=20 it sounded pretty good. and question 2. What are the main differances between mics that connect using a normal=20 jack pin and those that have XLR? in my set up the mic will be fed into my DIgitech vocal 300 which supposts=20 both XLR and standard jacks. and help greatly appreciated yours hopefully Phill _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C39426.CB7D23F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: XLRs and Mics

What did you think of the AKG = C420PP, im considering getting one for =91fooling around = with=92, does it give a good vocal sound ?

 

David = Swain

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: jeremy [mailto:jeremy@masse.org.uk]
Sent: 15 October 2003 = 11:22 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: XLRs and = Mics

 

What is going to work for you will be a = combination of sound, powering options, pickup pattern and comfort. The only way to = really judge the sound is your ears, comparing the sound to a microphone you = know. It helps to record this test and then listen back.

When testing the microphone bear in mind that you will not be able to = move closer of further from the microphone to alter tone and volume as one = tends to do naturally with a hand held. You may want to think about a compressor = to keep levels within a sensible range, depending on your vocal style.

I've tried the Shure WH20, AKG C420PP and an older Beyer. None have = quite the focus on vocal character that you get with an SM58. That being said it's = very handy to not have to work about where the microphone is.

A few models to look at can be added to your list at this randomly = selected link:

http://www.handheldaudio.co.uk/



Differences:

a) Balanced line and low = impedance

Microphones = with an XLR connector are almost certainly "low impedance" and = "balanced line".  
Balanced line = means there are three conductors (hot, cold, ground) and any interference picked up = on one of the signal wires will cancel out with the other. If the microphone = does NOT use "48volt phantom power" you can make an adaptor shorting = the cold wire to ground and use the microphone into a standard quarter inch =  low impedance (low-z) input. Low = Impedance means around 200 ohms


b) Phantom = Power

Condenser or = capacitor microphones need power to polarise the capsule and for an impedance = matching preamplifier built into the microphone itself. This power is often sent = along the three conductor balanced line with the +ve voltage being carried = equally by the hot and cold connductors, the -ve on the ground conductor. You = cannot use a phantom powered microphone unbalanced unless it has an internal battery = option like the AKG C1000. You cannot use a phantom powered microphone into an unbalanced input directly.


c) Battery box = power

Some condenser microphones terminate in an eighth inch mono jack and have to be used = with a battery box or phantom power adaptor. The battery box option will power = the microphone up and will probably have a quarter inch unbalanced output. = The phantom power option make the microphone act exactly as in b) above, = deriving its power source from the mixer input.


d) Pickup = Pattern

Omni-directional will pick up more background noise than a unidirectional or cardioid model. =


Caveat: please check all the information above for accuracy before = making a choice.

Best wishes

j

----------
From: "lol c" <testtubemicro@hotmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: XLRs and Mics
Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2003, 4:26 pm


hey there all,

Its been a while, Ive been looping around = and slowly filling up all the
real-estate of my stage with various FX = and pedals, Ive decided therefore it
is time to ditch my usual mic stand/vocal = mic setup and get a headset mic
al,la Britney:)
  I have a few questions on the = subject

1.Can anyone recomend a good sounding , = but reasonably priced headset mic
(by the way I dont need earphones = incorprated, just the wrap round type.) ,
Tom in paticular, ive seen you use a = headset at Chyma,what make was that ?
it sounded pretty good.

and question
2. What are the main differances between = mics that connect using a normal
jack pin and those that have = XLR?

in my set up the mic will be fed into my = DIgitech vocal 300 which supposts
both XLR and standard = jacks.

and help greatly = appreciated

yours hopefully
Phill

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------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C39426.CB7D23F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 16:14:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GK6l422693; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c39421$3f6633c0$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: <20031016182519.11052.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:08:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C393FF.B7ACBB00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C393FF.B7ACBB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Yamaha QY70 is a pocket sequencer. Here is a page explaining more = with a link to the manual: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/6242/QY70/ Yes I have the EDP manual but I must be stupid or something because I = can't seem to get what it says to do to work. Midi channels set = correctly? Well the QY has different things on different channels I = guess. What should the EDP be set to? I don't know what cc is but I'm = not using notes (if you mean the keyboard as a midi controller for the = functions). Hope that clears things up! Thanks Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JAMES FOWLER, III=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP i'll give it a shot. what the hell is a qy70? where can i read the manual for it? do you = have the edp manual? midi channels set correctly? are you using notes = or cc? -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C393FF.B7ACBB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Yamaha QY70 is a pocket sequencer. = Here is a=20 page explaining more with a link to the manual:
http://www.= geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/6242/QY70/
Yes I have the EDP manual but I must be = stupid or=20 something because I can't seem to get what it says to do to work. Midi = channels=20 set correctly? Well the QY has different things on different channels I = guess.=20 What should the EDP be set to? I don't know what cc is but I'm not using = notes=20 (if you mean the keyboard as a midi controller for the functions). Hope = that=20 clears things up!
 
Thanks
Chris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JAMES=20 FOWLER, III
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 16, = 2003 2:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: Midi control of = EDP

i'll give it a shot.

what the hell is a qy70?  where can i read the manual for = it?  do=20 you have the edp manual?  midi channels set correctly?  are = you=20 using notes or cc?

-jim

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C393FF.B7ACBB00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 17:03:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GKxPi32024; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:59:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:59:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c3940b$bcde1d10$0200a8c0@akadev.com> References: <000a01c3940b$bcde1d10$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:59:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: EH Memory Man/Maxon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7Hg34.A.R0H.tawj_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Changing subjects slightly, does anyone have any thoughts on the relative merits of the E-H Deluxe Memory Man vs. the Maxon AD-900? I'm pondering getting one or the other. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 18:17:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GM5Nm12209; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <3F8F164D.2040103@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:06:05 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com Organization: Rosewoodblues LTD. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesse Ray Lucas CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reapters anywhere? References: <001301c3936a$9e71cb20$0b00a8c0@kpcsony> <007801c39382$c6544970$0200a8c0@amd> In-Reply-To: <007801c39382$c6544970$0200a8c0@amd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com going to jump in and show my ignorance again... is the EDP capable of dumping audio w/ midi sysex dumps? i thought that sysex only dumped instructions and not sounds.... hence i can see getting the loop times, loop numbers, etc. but the actual sounds? thanks, ken; Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >You can save your EDP loops to your computer or sequencer as sysex dumps, and reaload them later. It takes forever though (saving and loading). And it doesn't store the levels of undo... You probably already know this. > >Too bad there is no SCSI jack on the EDP for SMDI transfer. Also no USB 2.0... No Firewire... What were those guys thinking when they built this thing?!??? ;) > >-J > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Melhus > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:21 PM > Subject: FW: Reapters anywhere? > > > > > Hey, > > > > Just got an echoplex pro plus and I love everything about it EXCEPT not being able to save my ugly creations, so I'm pondering adding a Repeater to my setup. > > Anyone know of any used Repeaters in any music shops? I'm not a big fan of Ebay, but I do see quit a few go through there. > > Is there anything I should know/lookout befor getting a Repeater? > > > > Thanks, > > > > ken > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 18:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9GMsUh19278; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:54:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:54:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c39438$1c74c540$6ef15cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #243 for October 9, 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:51:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C39416.8884C5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C39416.8884C5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #342 October 9, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Michael Stearns, who = helped define the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Collected Thematic Works 1977-1987" on the Fathom label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on Vertigo = records. I played the music of Arttek, an area band that will play at the next = Gate to Moonbase Alpha on October 17. I also played the music of The Ministry = of Inside Things and Orbital Decay, two more local bands which will appear = at the next Gathering. Check the Events page for details. Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct Events Page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Kraftwerk Autobahn Autobahn (Vertigo) The Ministry of Inside Neutron Flux Live on EMUSIC = (Synkronos) Things Arttek Far Out Plug In (none) Orbital Decay Grey Horizon Orbital Decay (none) 12:00 am Michael Stearns Spanish Twilight Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Her Way Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Dark Passage Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Space Grass Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns A Moment Before Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns The Reflecting Heart Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Bell Tear Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Plunge Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Almost Daybreak Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns At the Bath Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Marriage Chords Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns 3 Faces of the Goddess Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Voyager Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Floating Whispers Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Ancient Leaves Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) Michael Stearns Penguins on Mars * Collected Thematic = Works (Fathom) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Michael = Stearns. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sustaining Cylinders" on the Groove = label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Radio-Activity" by Kraftwerk on = Capitol Records. I will play the music of some of the bands that will be performing at = area events in the near future. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C39416.8884C5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #342       =20             October 9, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Michael = Stearns, who helped
define the spacemusic genre.  The Featured = CD at=20 Midnight was "Collected
Thematic Works 1977-1987" on the Fathom = label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on = Vertigo=20 records.
 
I played the music of Arttek, an area band that will play at the = next Gate=20 to
Moonbase Alpha on October 17.  I also played the music of The = Ministry of
Inside Things and Orbital Decay, two more local bands = which will=20 appear at the
next Gathering.  Check the Events page for = details.
 
Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct
Ev= ents=20 Page - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Kraftwerk         &nbs= p;    =20 Autobahn           = ;     =20 Autobahn (Vertigo)
The Ministry of Inside  Neutron=20 Flux           &nb= sp;=20 Live on EMUSIC (Synkronos)
 =20 Things
Arttek         &nb= sp;       =20 Far=20 Out           &nbs= p;     =20 Plug In (none)
Orbital=20 Decay           Grey=20 Horizon           =  =20 Orbital Decay (none)
 
12:00 am
Michael = Stearns        =20 Spanish Twilight         = Collected=20 Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Her=20 Way           &nbs= p;     =20 Collected Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Dark=20 Passage           =  =20 Collected Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Space=20 Grass           &n= bsp; =20 Collected Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         A Moment=20 Before          Collected = Thematic=20 Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         The Reflecting=20 Heart     Collected Thematic Works = (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Bell=20 Tear           &nb= sp;   =20 Collected Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Plunge           &= nbsp;      =20 Collected Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Almost=20 Daybreak          Collected = Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         At the=20 Bath           &nb= sp; =20 Collected Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Marriage=20 Chords          Collected = Thematic=20 Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         3 Faces of the=20 Goddess   Collected Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Voyager           =       =20 Collected Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Floating=20 Whispers        Collected Thematic = Works=20 (Fathom)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Ancient = Leaves          =20 Collected Thematic Works (Fathom)
Michael=20 Stearns         Penguins on Mars = *       Collected Thematic Works = (Fathom)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Michael Stearns.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be = "Sustaining=20 Cylinders" on the Groove label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Radio-Activity" by Kraftwerk = on=20 Capitol
Records.
 
I will play the music of some of the bands that will be performing = at=20 area
events in the near future.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C39416.8884C5E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 20:24:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H0Kdk04414; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:20:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:20:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ee01c39444$0df8c500$6ef15cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Special Show Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:17:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E6_01C39422.76B247A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E6_01C39422.76B247A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will be filling in for Lunar Ladder as host for "Beyond the Barriers" = this Saturday morning from 2 am to 6 am (GMT-5) on WMUH. I will play = some Krautrock as well as some electronic, ambient, and spacemusic. I = will then continue on until 8 am since it is my turn to host the = Saturday edition of the AM/FM Show. Please tune it via FM radio or = computer. Musically yours, Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday = at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm = http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click = REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are = GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us ------=_NextPart_000_01E6_01C39422.76B247A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will be filling in for Lunar = Ladder as=20 host for "Beyond the Barriers" this Saturday morning from 2 am to 6 am = (GMT-5)=20 on WMUH.  I will play some Krautrock as well as some electronic, = ambient,=20 and spacemusic.  I will then continue on until 8 am since it is my = turn to=20 host the Saturday edition of the AM/FM Show.  Please tune it via FM = radio=20 or computer.
 
Musically yours,
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown  91.7 FM every other Saturday = at 6=20 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to=20 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm         =20 http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh  and click  REAL AUDIO
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill          &nbs= p;   =20 All times are GMT-5:00
SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us
------=_NextPart_000_01E6_01C39422.76B247A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 20:36:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H0WuA06678; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:32:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:32:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031017003249.2161.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:32:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c39421$3f6633c0$2b02a8c0@chris1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1763458097-1066350769=:1804" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1763458097-1066350769=:1804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii just set the edp to channel one and the QY to the same. if memory serves, which it rarely does, page 38 (?) has the control numbers for the basic edp functions. somebody correct me if that's the wrong page. give the page a look and try to get your hands on a beginner book concerning midi...it's good to know how it all works. if you're using cc messages, make sure the edp is set to "cont" instead of "note" (or is it "con" and "not"...this also is in the manual). i'll check out that manual this weekend if you don't get it all worked out by then. -jim Chris Payne wrote: The Yamaha QY70 is a pocket sequencer. Here is a page explaining more with a link to the manual: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/6242/QY70/ Yes I have the EDP manual but I must be stupid or something because I can't seem to get what it says to do to work. Midi channels set correctly? Well the QY has different things on different channels I guess. What should the EDP be set to? I don't know what cc is but I'm not using notes (if you mean the keyboard as a midi controller for the functions). Hope that clears things up! Thanks Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES FOWLER, III To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP i'll give it a shot. what the hell is a qy70? where can i read the manual for it? do you have the edp manual? midi channels set correctly? are you using notes or cc? -jim --0-1763458097-1066350769=:1804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
just set the edp to channel one and the QY to the same.  if memory serves, which it rarely does, page 38 (?) has the control numbers for the basic edp functions.  somebody correct me if that's the wrong page.  give the page a look and try to get your hands on a beginner book concerning midi...it's good to know how it all works. 
 
if you're using cc messages, make sure the edp is set to "cont" instead of "note" (or is it "con" and "not"...this also is in the manual). 
 
i'll check out that manual this weekend if you don't get it all worked out by then.
 
-jim

Chris Payne <soundboot@o2.co.uk> wrote:
The Yamaha QY70 is a pocket sequencer. Here is a page explaining more with a link to the manual:
Yes I have the EDP manual but I must be stupid or something because I can't seem to get what it says to do to work. Midi channels set correctly? Well the QY has different things on different channels I guess. What should the EDP be set to? I don't know what cc is but I'm not using notes (if you mean the keyboard as a midi controller for the functions). Hope that clears things up!
 
Thanks
Chris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP

i'll give it a shot.

what the hell is a qy70?  where can i read the manual for it?  do you have the edp manual?  midi channels set correctly?  are you using notes or cc?

-jim

--0-1763458097-1066350769=:1804-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 21:22:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H1LAi16567; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:21:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:21:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: FW: Midi control of EDP Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01c3944c$e8272250$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9H1L9o16545 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any other info to be added ? -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:15 PM To: 'Chris Payne' Subject: RE: Midi control of EDP >From Section 4 Loop III manual Here's what it said in the Loop III Manual and it seemed to work according to the manual (nunber eight is really important because, it explains the limits of midi synch) Example 4.1: Syncing to an external MIDI clock 1. Set 8ths/Beat=8.This means that each beat (cycle) will be eight eighthnotes (one measure) long. 2. Set Sync=In. 3. Connect the MIDI Out port of a clock source to the Echoplex Digital Pro's MIDI In port using a standard MIDI cable. 4. Make sure that your clock source is set to transmit MIDI Clocks (this setting is usually found under a "MIDI" or "Sync" menu or function key). 5. Reset the current loop by holding down the Record button for several seconds. 6. Load a rhythm pattern or sequence into your clock source, set it up to loop indefinitely, and hit Play. At the beginning of each measure, you will see the sync LED flash on the Echoplex display. 7. The next time you hit Record, the Echoplex will wait for the beginning of the next measure before starting the Record process. You end the Record operation by pressing the Record button a second time. Instead of ending immediately, recording will continue until the next measure boundary, as determined by the incoming MIDI clocks. 8. Once you've recorded your first cycle this way, the Echoplex continues to monitor the clock source and maintain synchronization. However, once the basic loop is recorded, the Echoplex will not change the timing or Default: 8 8ths/Beat Parameter Row: Timing playback speed of the loop to respond to changes in your clock rate. Sequences with tempo changes in them, therefore, are not good choices for sync sources for the Echoplex. Another useful variation on the above theme is to reset the current loop and briefly send MIDI clock to the Echoplex from your clock source. You can easily do this by playing a single empty measure from a sequencer. Once the Echoplex has received MIDI clock while in reset, it will know to expect more. Press Record before restarting your clock source. Then, the Echoplex will wait for the first clock pulse before recording, displaying "ooo" in the display while it does so. This is a good way to get the Echoplex and a sequencer to start simultaneously. Some sequencers make this approach difficult, however, because they send out MIDI clocks even when they're not actively playing. In the manual it basicaly states that should you start or restart the loop it will not synch. It did synch the new loop start point for me as stated above the rest is entirely the musicians responsibility. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 21:47:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H1hH720176; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:43:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:43:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008e01c39450$40cbd2e0$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: <003b01c3944c$e8272250$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:44:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'm baffled! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: FW: Midi control of EDP > Any other info to be added ? > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kroeger > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:15 PM > To: 'Chris Payne' > Subject: RE: Midi control of EDP > > From Section 4 Loop III manual > > > Here's what it said in the Loop III Manual and it seemed to work according > to the manual (nunber eight is really important because, it explains the > limits of midi synch) > > Example 4.1: Syncing to an external MIDI clock > > 1. Set 8ths/Beat=8.This means that each beat (cycle) will be eight > eighthnotes (one measure) long. > > 2. Set Sync=In. > > 3. Connect the MIDI Out port of a clock source to the Echoplex Digital Pro's > MIDI In port using a standard MIDI cable. > > 4. Make sure that your clock source is set to transmit MIDI Clocks (this > setting is usually found under a "MIDI" or "Sync" menu or function key). > > 5. Reset the current loop by holding down the Record button for several > seconds. > > 6. Load a rhythm pattern or sequence into your clock source, set it up to > loop indefinitely, and hit Play. At the beginning of each measure, you will > see the sync LED flash on the Echoplex display. > > 7. The next time you hit Record, the Echoplex will wait for the beginning of > the next measure before starting the Record process. You end the Record > operation by pressing the Record button a second time. Instead of ending > immediately, recording will continue until the next measure boundary, as > determined by the incoming MIDI clocks. > > 8. Once you've recorded your first cycle this way, the Echoplex continues to > monitor the clock source and maintain synchronization. However, once the > basic loop is recorded, the Echoplex will not change the timing or > > Default: 8 8ths/Beat > Parameter Row: Timing > playback speed of the loop to respond to changes in your clock rate. > Sequences with tempo changes in them, therefore, are not good choices for > sync sources for the Echoplex. Another useful variation on the above theme > is to reset the current loop and briefly send MIDI clock to the Echoplex > from your clock source. You can easily do this by playing a single empty > measure from a sequencer. Once the Echoplex has received MIDI clock while in > reset, it will know to expect more. Press Record before restarting your > clock source. Then, the Echoplex will wait for the first clock pulse before > recording, displaying "ooo" in the display while it does so. This is a good > way to get the Echoplex and a sequencer to start simultaneously. Some > sequencers make this approach difficult, however, because they send out MIDI > clocks even when they're not actively playing. > > In the manual it basicaly states that should you start or restart the loop > it will not synch. It did synch the new loop start point for me as stated > above the rest is entirely the musicians responsibility. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 16 23:56:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H3roS09160; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:53:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:53:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Midi control of EDP Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:53:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c39462$3b83dff0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008e01c39450$40cbd2e0$2b02a8c0@chris1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Still no luck? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Payne [mailto:soundboot@o2.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP Yeah, I'm baffled! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 01:25:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H5KlB25272; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:21:55 +0000 Subject: Re: XLRs and Mics From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3149216516_49572_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3149216516_49572_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, On balance I'm not too keen on the AKG420PP and I'm not using mine that muc= h anymore. The earclips go in front of the ears which I don't like - it seems to affect the way I hear things. On the face of it it sounds good but I fin= d I have to roll off loads of bass and then hunt around wuth the eq for "freshness" in the upper mids. That being said it's useful when using voice as source for live fx/looping source. If you are on the London area give me a call and come and listen. Best wishes j ---------- From: "David Swain" To: Subject: RE: XLRs and Mics Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2003, 7:48 pm What did you think of the AKG C420PP, im considering getting one for =91fooling around with=92, does it give a good vocal sound ? David Swain -----Original Message----- From: jeremy [mailto:jeremy@masse.org.uk] Sent: 15 October 2003 11:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: XLRs and Mics What is going to work for you will be a combination of sound, powering options, pickup pattern and comfort. The only way to really judge the sound is your ears, comparing the sound to a microphone you know. It helps to record this test and then listen back. When testing the microphone bear in mind that you will not be able to move closer of further from the microphone to alter tone and volume as one tends to do naturally with a hand held. You may want to think about a compressor to keep levels within a sensible range, depending on your vocal style. I've tried the Shure WH20, AKG C420PP and an older Beyer. None have quite the focus on vocal character that you get with an SM58. That being said it'= s very handy to not have to work about where the microphone is. A few models to look at can be added to your list at this randomly selected link: http://www.handheldaudio.co.uk/ Differences: a) Balanced line and low impedance Microphones with an XLR connector are almost certainly "low impedance" and "balanced line". Balanced line means there are three conductors (hot, cold, ground) and any interference picked up on one of the signal wires will cancel out with the other. If the microphone does NOT use "48volt phantom power" you can make a= n adaptor shorting the cold wire to ground and use the microphone into a standard quarter inch low impedance (low-z) input. Low Impedance means around 200 ohms b) Phantom Power Condenser or capacitor microphones need power to polarise the capsule and for an impedance matching preamplifier built into the microphone itself. This power is often sent along the three conductor balanced line with the +ve voltage being carried equally by the hot and cold connductors, the -ve on the ground conductor. You cannot use a phantom powered microphone unbalanced unless it has an internal battery option like the AKG C1000. You cannot use a phantom powered microphone into an unbalanced input directly. c) Battery box power Some condenser microphones terminate in an eighth inch mono jack and have t= o be used with a battery box or phantom power adaptor. The battery box option will power the microphone up and will probably have a quarter inch unbalanced output. The phantom power option make the microphone act exactly as in b) above, deriving its power source from the mixer input. d) Pickup Pattern Omni-directional will pick up more background noise than a unidirectional o= r cardioid model. Caveat: please check all the information above for accuracy before making a choice. Best wishes j ---------- From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: XLRs and Mics Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2003, 4:26 pm hey there all, Its been a while, Ive been looping around and slowly filling up all the real-estate of my stage with various FX and pedals, Ive decided therefore i= t is time to ditch my usual mic stand/vocal mic setup and get a headset mic al,la Britney:) I have a few questions on the subject 1.Can anyone recomend a good sounding , but reasonably priced headset mic (by the way I dont need earphones incorprated, just the wrap round type.) , Tom in paticular, ive seen you use a headset at Chyma,what make was that ? it sounded pretty good. and question 2. What are the main differances between mics that connect using a normal jack pin and those that have XLR? in my set up the mic will be fed into my DIgitech vocal 300 which supposts both XLR and standard jacks. and help greatly appreciated yours hopefully Phill _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobil= e --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003 --MS_Mac_OE_3149216516_49572_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: XLRs and Mics Hi David,

On balance I'm not too keen on the AKG420PP and I'm not using mine that muc= h anymore. The earclips go in front of the ears which I don't like - it seem= s to affect the way I hear things. On the face of it it sounds good but I fi= nd I have to roll off loads of bass and then hunt around wuth the eq for &qu= ot;freshness" in the upper mids. That being said it's useful when using= voice as source for live fx/looping source.

If you are on the London area give me a call and come and listen.

Best wishes

j

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From: "David Swain" <d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: RE: XLRs and Mics
Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2003, 7:48 pm


What did you think of the A= KG C420PP, im considering getting one for =91fooling around with=92, does it giv= e a good vocal sound ?

 
David Swain
 

-----Original Message-----
From: jeremy [mailto:jeremy@masse.org.uk]
Sent: 15 October 2003 11:22 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: XLRs and Mics

 

What is going to work for you will be a combin= ation of sound, powering options, pickup pattern and comfort. The only way t= o really judge the sound is your ears, comparing the sound to a microphone y= ou know. It helps to record this test and then listen back.

When testing the microphone bear in mind that you will not be able to move = closer of further from the microphone to alter tone and volume as one tends = to do naturally with a hand held. You may want to think about a compressor t= o keep levels within a sensible range, depending on your vocal style.

I've tried the Shure WH20, AKG C420PP and an older Beyer. None have quite t= he focus on vocal character that you get with an SM58. That being said it's = very handy to not have to work about where the microphone is.

A few models to look at can be added to your list at this randomly selected= link:

http://www.handheldau= dio.co.uk/



Differences:

a) Balanced line and low impedance

Microphones with an XLR connector are almost c= ertainly "low impedance" and "balanced line".  
Balanced line means there are three conductors (hot, cold, gr= ound) and any interference picked up on one of the signal wires will cancel = out with the other. If the microphone does NOT use "48volt phantom powe= r" you can make an adaptor shorting the cold wire to ground and use the= microphone into a standard quarter inch  low impedance (low-z) input. = Low Impedance means around 200 ohms


b) Phantom Power

Condenser or capacitor microphones need power = to polarise the capsule and for an impedance matching preamplifier built int= o the microphone itself. This power is often sent along the three conductor = balanced line with the +ve voltage being carried equally by the hot and cold= connductors, the -ve on the ground conductor. You cannot use a phantom powe= red microphone unbalanced unless it has an internal battery option like the = AKG C1000. You cannot use a phantom powered microphone into an unbalanced in= put directly.


c) Battery box power

Some condenser microphones terminate in an eig= hth inch mono jack and have to be used with a battery box or phantom power a= daptor. The battery box option will power the microphone up and will probabl= y have a quarter inch unbalanced output. The phantom power option make the m= icrophone act exactly as in b) above, deriving its power source from the mix= er input.


d) Pickup Pattern

Omni-directional will pick up more background = noise than a unidirectional or cardioid model.


Caveat: please check all the information above for accuracy before making a= choice.

Best wishes

j

----------
From: "lol c" <testtubemicro@hotmail.= com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: XLRs and Mics
Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2003, 4:26 pm



hey there all,

Its been a while, Ive been looping around and slowly = filling up all the
real-estate of my stage with various FX and pedals, Ive decided therefore i= t
is time to ditch my usual mic stand/vocal mic setup and get a headset mic <= BR> al,la Britney:)
  I have a few questions on the subject

1.Can anyone recomend a good sounding , but reasonabl= y priced headset mic
(by the way I dont need earphones incorprated, just the wrap round type.) ,=
Tom in paticular, ive seen you use a headset at Chyma,what make was that ? =
it sounded pretty good.

and question
2. What are the main differances between mics that connect using a normal <= BR> jack pin and those that have XLR?

in my set up the mic will be fed into my DIgitech voc= al 300 which supposts
both XLR and standard jacks.

and help greatly appreciated

yours hopefully
Phill

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--MS_Mac_OE_3149216516_49572_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 01:33:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H5UcW26738; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:30:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:30:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:31:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3149217107_85140_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3149217107_85140_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you are just trying to use the sequencer as a clock source then just set the EDP to "sync in" and plug the midi cable from the OUT on the sequencer to the IN on the EDP. Midi clock does not have channel information. The EDP will display the length of the loop in seconds in seconds (2.0 for 120 bpm with default 8th/cycle = 8) If the QY is sending out MIDI clock this will work. Try another midi cable or two just in case? j ---------- From: "Chris Payne" To: Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2003, 8:08 pm The Yamaha QY70 is a pocket sequencer. Here is a page explaining more with a link to the manual: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/6242/QY70/ Yes I have the EDP manual but I must be stupid or something because I can't seem to get what it says to do to work. Midi channels set correctly? Well the QY has different things on different channels I guess. What should the EDP be set to? I don't know what cc is but I'm not using notes (if you mean the keyboard as a midi controller for the functions). Hope that clears things up! Thanks Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES FOWLER, III To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP i'll give it a shot. what the hell is a qy70? where can i read the manual for it? do you have the edp manual? midi channels set correctly? are you using notes or cc? -jim --MS_Mac_OE_3149217107_85140_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Midi control of EDP If you are just trying to use the sequencer as a clock source then just set= the EDP to "sync in" and plug the midi cable from the OUT on the = sequencer to the IN on the EDP. Midi clock does not have channel information= . The EDP will display the length of the loop in seconds in seconds (2.0 for= 120 bpm with default 8th/cycle =3D 8) If the QY is sending out MIDI clock thi= s will work.

Try another midi cable or two just in case?

j



----------
From: "Chris Payne" <soundboot@o2.co.uk>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP
Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2003, 8:08 pm


The Yamaha QY70 is a pocket s= equencer. Here is a page explaining more with a link to the manual:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/6242/QY7= 0/
Yes I have the EDP manual but I must be stupid or something beca= use I can't seem to get what it says to do to work. Midi channels set correc= tly? Well the QY has different things on different channels I guess. What sh= ould the EDP be set to? I don't know what cc is but I'm not using notes (if = you mean the keyboard as a midi controller for the functions). Hope that cle= ars things up!
 
Thanks
Chris
 
----- Original Message -----
From: JAMES FOWLER, III <mailto:jimfowle= r@prodigy.net>  
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com= <mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com>  
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP


i'll give it a shot.

what the hell is a qy70?  where can i read the manual for it?  do= you have the edp manual?  midi channels set correctly?  are you u= sing notes or cc?

-jim

--MS_Mac_OE_3149217107_85140_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 02:02:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H603i32638; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:00:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:00:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031016230103.00ae0098@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:03:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP In-Reply-To: <000e01c393f6$fdd46960$2b02a8c0@chris1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on the echoplex you should have sync=in and 8ths/cycle set to some appropriate value, like 8. Then, if the qy70 is really sending clock, you should see some activity on the echoplex. Loop3 just blinks the sync LED on the numeric display at the startpoint. Loop4 shows the expected cycle time and blinks all the tempo LEDs, so it is even more obvious. do you see that much? If you aren't seeing any of that, the qy70 is not sending clock. kim At 08:05 AM 10/16/2003, Chris Payne wrote: >Can somebody hold my hand and walk me through getting my QY70 to sync with >my Echoplex? I have the midi in set on the EDP and the midi out of my QY. >I've followed the manual but can't get anything to work. Help!? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 02:07:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H64wD00889; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:04:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:04:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031016230625.02984e70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:08:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Midi control of EDP In-Reply-To: <000c01c39421$3f6633c0$2b02a8c0@chris1> References: <20031016182519.11052.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:08 PM 10/16/2003, Chris Payne wrote: >The Yamaha QY70 is a pocket sequencer. Here is a page explaining more with >a link to the manual: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/6242/QY70/ >Yes I have the EDP manual but I must be stupid or something because I >can't seem to get what it says to do to work. Midi channels set correctly? >Well the QY has different things on different channels I guess. What >should the EDP be set to? I don't know what cc is but I'm not using notes >(if you mean the keyboard as a midi controller for the functions). Hope >that clears things up! are you trying to use sync, or control echoplex functions? if you are just trying to use sync, note/cc and midi channel do not matter. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 02:24:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9H6MOs03607; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F8F5AD8.9050608@accord.it> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:58:32 +0500 From: cristian cascetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cover story for Mr Rick Walker on main Italian gear magazine References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao, ti rispondo nella ml e in inglese (!!!) per diffondere agli altri utenti. I read your articles, they're very interesting and the interview is very ispirational. As for the EDP, I was just dreaming about this tool, but now, after reading your article and understanding all the capabilities (explained in Italian :-), I really fell in love. The only problem remains the budget!!! Good work, bruno. ciao cristian bruno kleinefeld wrote: > ciao a tutti > > just to let all the community know > (and especially the italian speaking one) > that on the october issue of the main > italian music gear magazine "Strumenti Musicali" > you can find a long interview with mister Loop.pool > and a bench test on the EDP with Loop IV > (yes, you can laugh, but for the old world the EDP it's brand new...). > > A good occasion to say thank to Rick > and to let everybody know how positive > his presence and efforts have been > in spite of the few time we spent together. > > > best > > b:k > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 07:11:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HB5s818388; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:05:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:05:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C394AF.26E16840@dyn-213-36-226-176.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: EDP in Europe Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:51:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody I am new to LD. I live in France and it is incredibly hard (if possible at all) to buy looping tools other than boss RC20 here. After trying for over 2 months, I finally bought my Boomerang from a Swiss dealer because there was no way in FR. Now I am looking for an EDP. Questions : - are there any EDP users on LD who are based in Europe (I'm pretty sure I've seen German emails) ? - would they have info about dealers in their country who would have or could have rapidly an EDP + pedal board for sale ? - would there be by any chance somebody from Gibson USA reading this list who would be interested in helping french people spend their money on an EDP ? french Gibson network seems to be in complete reorganisation (mess ?) and not interested at all in helping (been calling my dealer every 10 days for 2 months now, and he never has info on when he might finally receive the 3 EDPs he says he ordered from Gibson). For info, the tentative prices my dealer gave me are : EDP : 1400 euros = $1624 EDP pedal board : 150 euros = $174 which makes the complete thing at $1798. Sounds quite a lot to me (specially when compared to $800 + $100 on http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ ) Any info on other european dealers with cheaper prices would of course be more than welcome. Thanks in advance and all the best to all of you. Francois From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 07:30:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HBA8O19320; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:10:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:10:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1066387736!3859099 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B2B@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: qy70/EDP Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:43:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3949B.86A41D90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3949B.86A41D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Can somebody hold my hand and walk me through getting my QY70 to sync with my Echoplex? I have the midi in set on the EDP and the midi out of my QY. I've followed the manual but can't get anything to work. Help!?<< I have a qy70, which I have use as master midi clock on several occasions. CC's are continous controllers, like volume, pan, and many others, the use of which varies from one box to another and can be user-configurable, though there are some loose standards. one of the most useful things about midi, especially for live music.... but I digress. there's a page in the qy70's midi menu where you can select the clock mode to either master or slave; the thing is probably already in the right mode as it won't start at all in slave mode unless there's incming clock, so it ain't that.... but check it anyway. I don't know the edp's midi implementation, but maybe it's not responding to midi-start commands. the other annoying thing about the qy70 (and the other little yamaha units that support XG, their own version of general midi- supposedly a universal orchestration standard) is that whenever you start a pattern or song on the qy, it sends a little salvo of CC's and PC's (programme changes) to set up XG parameters in the remote device so that the songs play with the right settings. it's quite possible that the EDP is responding to one of these. make sure that the channel-specific control of the EDP is selected to a midi channel that the qy70 isn't broadcasting; the qy can be "told" to operate on one of two groups of 8 channels (1-8 or 9-16) and persists in setting up the XG parameters even on empty tracks... so you want to make sure that the EDP is ignoring all that and just listening for system realtime stuff- start/clock/stop and possibly song-pointers if this is relevant. the qy series of "walkstations" have some limited potential as midi-loopers; this is prompting me to dig mine out and play with it again.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Can somebody hold my hand and walk me through get= ting my QY70 to sync with
my Echoplex? I have the midi in set on the EDP and the m= idi out of my QY.
I've followed the manual but can't get anything to work.= Help!?<<

I have a qy70, which I have use as master midi clock on s= everal occasions. CC's are continous controllers, like volume, pan, and man= y others, the use of which varies from one box to another and can be user-c= onfigurable, though there are some loose standards. one of the most useful = things about midi, especially for live music....

but I digress.
there's a page in the qy70's midi menu where you can sel= ect the clock mode to either master or slave; the thing is probably already= in the right mode as it won't start at all in slave mode unless there's in= cming clock, so it ain't that.... but check it anyway.

I don't know the edp's midi implementation, but maybe it'= s not responding to midi-start commands.

the other annoying thing about the qy70 (and the other li= ttle yamaha units that support XG, their own version of general midi- suppo= sedly a universal orchestration standard) is that whenever you start a patt= ern or song on the qy, it sends a little salvo of CC's and PC's (programme = changes) to set up XG parameters in the remote device so that the songs pla= y with the right settings. it's quite possible that the EDP is responding t= o one of these. make sure that the channel-specific control of the EDP is s= elected to a midi channel that the qy70 isn't broadcasting; the qy can be &= quot;told" to operate on one of two groups of 8 channels (1-8 or 9-16)= and persists in setting up the XG parameters even on empty tracks... so yo= u want to make sure that the EDP is ignoring all that and just listening fo= r system realtime stuff- start/clock/stop and possibly song-pointers if thi= s is relevant.

the qy series of "walkstations" have some limit= ed potential as midi-loopers; this is prompting me to dig mine out and play= with it again....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3949B.86A41D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 08:16:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HCCEd30349; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1066388569!3859622 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B2C@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EH 16 reissue Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:57:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3949D.82231760" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3949D.82231760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>frankly, asking a price like that is obscene, its rarity not withstanding. But paying almost 2,200 Euros for such a thing is ridiculous... nice as it may be, I=B4d get me, say, four more Repeaters with huge cards for that amo= unt of cash and do similarly weird things with them, honestly.<< agreed. I think I could make my old powertran mcs1 do much the same thing, = and it too has a click output that doesn't get recorded.... and the repeate= r makes a decent delay line if you turn the feedback (overdub level) down a= nd use it with a mixer, so the fripp impressions- if that's how you get y'r= kicks- are easy to do. and the sellon-ed jamman would be good at this too,= being able to switch between echo and loop modes on the fly. rather than EH just re-issue this thing, which will be difficult as the ori= ginal chipset is obsolete, I'd rather they came up with a modern version...= ..=20 has anyone else used the korg electribe units? they have a pretty basic ste= reo delay effect built in that syncs to internal or external midi clock in = such a way that you can still alter the delay time on the fly. it just chan= ges the divide ratio to maintain syncopation, and it's not terribly elegant= but somehow that doesn't matter. I'd like to see a fully featured version = of this in a pedal on it's own, w/ freeze and reverse functions. the DL4 is= so nearly there.... this weekend, I will have a poke around in my DL4 and = see if I can't get a tap-tempo into it that's derived from midi clock. I'm = sure it's do-able. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3949D.82231760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: EH 16 reissue

>>frankly, asking a price like that is obscene, its= rarity not withstanding.
But paying almost 2,200 Euros for such a thing is ridicu= lous... nice as it
may be, I=B4d get me, say, four more Repeaters with huge= cards for that amount
of cash and do similarly weird things with them, honestl= y.<<

agreed. I think I could make my old powertran mcs1 do muc= h the same thing, and it too has a click output that doesn't get recorded..= .. and the repeater makes a decent delay line if you turn the feedback (ove= rdub level) down and use it with a mixer, so the fripp impressions- if that= 's how you get y'r kicks- are easy to do. and the sellon-ed jamman would be= good at this too, being able to switch between echo and loop modes on the = fly.


rather than EH just re-issue this thing, which will be di= fficult as the original chipset is obsolete, I'd rather they came up with a= modern version.....

has anyone else used the korg electribe units? they have = a pretty basic stereo delay effect built in that syncs to internal or exter= nal midi clock in such a way that you can still alter the delay time on the= fly. it just changes the divide ratio to maintain syncopation, and it's no= t terribly elegant but somehow that doesn't matter. I'd like to see a fully= featured version of this in a pedal on it's own, w/ freeze and reverse fun= ctions. the DL4 is so nearly there.... this weekend, I will have a poke aro= und in my DL4 and see if I can't get a tap-tempo into it that's derived fro= m midi clock. I'm sure it's do-able.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3949D.82231760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 08:40:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HCa2j01761; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:36:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:36:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:35:57 +0200 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #730 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-40128208 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: bk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200310171130.h9HBU7E22900@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <7520D21F-009E-11D8-9FC5-000A27E4786E@ideastudioweb.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-40128208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Da: Francois LEBRUN > Data: Ven 17 ott 2003 12:51:03 Europe/Rome > A: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > > Oggetto: EDP in Europe > > > Hi everybody I am new to LD. > I live in France and it is incredibly hard (if possible at all) to buy > looping tools > other than boss RC20 here. > After trying for over 2 months, I finally bought my Boomerang > from a Swiss dealer because there was no way in FR. > > Now I am looking for an EDP. Francois salut je peux te dir qu'il ya des bonnes nouvelles (au moin je croix... on est jamais vraiment sure...) the EDP is going to be distributed in Europe by Gibson, who has a new main european dealer GibMed, based here in Milano. I just wrote a test for the EDP for the main italian gear magazine. I still didn't see any in the shops but probably they're going to be soon distributed. You can try ask Gib Med, Gibson Med S.r.l. Via Campania 12 - Z.I. Sesto Ulteriano 20098 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) Italy tel: +39 02 98283838 fax: +39 02 98283839 Email: info@gibsonmed.com there's also a web site http://www.gibsonmed.com Anyhow the suggested price in Italy (I guess in France would be the same) are 1326,88 tax included + 169,26 for the foot controller the street price here in Milan it's going to be around 1200 euro (for the EDP) > > Questions : > - are there any EDP users on LD who are based in Europe (I'm pretty > sure I've seen German emails) ? me now :-)) but I'm just a debutant. On the list you have people like Steve Lawson (in London) and mr. Claude Voit in Geneve (who was involved in the project of the software Loop IV) and they're way out more serious then me in their knowledge of this somehow exceptional tool. If you have serious problem in getting one, maybe we can try to buy one here and send it to you. Let's see what happens. let me know and e-mail me in rpivate, if you want, or call 0039-02-54116266 a bien tot Bruno > > - would they have info about dealers in their country who would have > or could have rapidly an EDP > + pedal board for sale ? > > - would there be by any chance somebody from Gibson USA reading this > list who would be interested in > helping french people spend their money on an EDP ? french Gibson > network seems to be in complete > reorganisation (mess ?) and not interested at all in helping (been > calling my dealer every 10 days for 2 months > now, and he never has info on when he might finally receive the 3 > EDPs he says he ordered from Gibson). > > For info, the tentative prices my dealer gave me are : > EDP : 1400 euros = $1624 > EDP pedal board : 150 euros = $174 > which makes the complete thing at $1798. > Sounds quite a lot to me (specially when compared to $800 + $100 on > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ ) > > Any info on other european dealers with cheaper prices would of course > be more than welcome. > > Thanks in advance and all the best to all of you. > > Francois > > --Apple-Mail-2-40128208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Da: Francois LEBRUN < Data: Ven 17 ott 2003 12:51:03 Europe/Rome A: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" < Oggetto: EDP in Europe Hi everybody I am new to LD. I live in France and it is incredibly hard (if possible at all) to buy looping tools other than boss RC20 here. After trying for over 2 months, I finally bought my Boomerang from a Swiss dealer because there was no way in FR. Now I am looking for an EDP. Francois salut je peux te dir qu'il ya des bonnes nouvelles (au moin je croix... on est jamais vraiment sure...) the EDP is going to be distributed in Europe by Gibson, who has a new main european dealer GibMed, based here in Milano. I just wrote a test for the EDP for the main italian gear magazine. I still didn't see any in the shops but probably they're going to be soon distributed. You can try ask Gib Med, Gill SansGibson Med S.r.l. Via Campania 12 - Z.I. Sesto Ulteriano 20098 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) Italy tel: +39 02 98283838 fax: +39 02 98283839 Email: info@gibsonmed.com there's also a web site http://www.gibsonmed.com Anyhow the suggested price in Italy (I guess in France would be the same) are 1326,88 tax included + 169,26 for the foot controller the street price here in Milan it's going to be around 1200 euro (for the EDP) Gill Sans Questions : - are there any EDP users on LD who are based in Europe (I'm pretty sure I've seen German emails) ? me now :-)) but I'm just a debutant. On the list you have people like Steve Lawson (in London) and mr. Claude Voit in Geneve (who was involved in the project of the software Loop IV) and they're way out more serious then me in their knowledge of this somehow exceptional tool. If you have serious problem in getting one, maybe we can try to buy one here and send it to you. Let's see what happens. let me know and e-mail me in rpivate, if you want, or call 0039-02-54116266 a bien tot Bruno - would they have info about dealers in their country who would have or could have rapidly an EDP + pedal board for sale ? - would there be by any chance somebody from Gibson USA reading this list who would be interested in helping french people spend their money on an EDP ? french Gibson network seems to be in complete reorganisation (mess ?) and not interested at all in helping (been calling my dealer every 10 days for 2 months now, and he never has info on when he might finally receive the 3 EDPs he says he ordered from Gibson). For info, the tentative prices my dealer gave me are : EDP : 1400 euros = $1624 EDP pedal board : 150 euros = $174 which makes the complete thing at $1798. Sounds quite a lot to me (specially when compared to $800 + $100 on http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ ) Any info on other european dealers with cheaper prices would of course be more than welcome. Thanks in advance and all the best to all of you. Francois --Apple-Mail-2-40128208-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 08:44:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HCeY102435; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:40:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:35:57 +0200 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:40:29 +0200 Subject: Re: EDP in Europe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-40399577 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: bk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-Id: <7520D21F-009E-11D8-9FC5-000A27E4786E@ideastudioweb.com> Resent-From: bk Message-Id: <16E083C7-009F-11D8-9FC5-000A27E4786E@ideastudioweb.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-40399577 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed whoops... I send this again I made a mistake in the subject... sorry I just switched to Mac OSX and this new Mail it's not convincing me... > > Hi everybody I am new to LD. > I live in France and it is incredibly hard (if possible at all) to buy > looping tools > other than boss RC20 here. > After trying for over 2 months, I finally bought my Boomerang > from a Swiss dealer because there was no way in FR. > > Now I am looking for an EDP. Francois salut je peux te dir qu'il ya des bonnes nouvelles (au moin je croix... on est jamais vraiment sure...) the EDP is going to be distributed in Europe by Gibson, who has a new main european dealer GibMed, based here in Milano. I just wrote a test for the EDP for the main italian gear magazine. I still didn't see any in the shops but probably they're going to be soon distributed. You can try ask Gib Med, Gibson Med S.r.l. Via Campania 12 - Z.I. Sesto Ulteriano 20098 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) Italy tel: +39 02 98283838 fax: +39 02 98283839 Email: info@gibsonmed.com there's also a web site http://www.gibsonmed.com Anyhow the suggested price in Italy (I guess in France would be the same) are 1326,88 tax included + 169,26 for the foot controller the street price here in Milan it's going to be around 1200 euro (for the EDP) > > Questions : > - are there any EDP users on LD who are based in Europe (I'm pretty > sure I've seen German emails) ? me now :-)) but I'm just a debutant. On the list you have people like Steve Lawson (in London) and mr. Claude Voit in Geneve (who was involved in the project of the software Loop IV) and they're way out more serious then me in their knowledge of this somehow exceptional tool. If you have serious problem in getting one, maybe we can try to buy one here and send it to you. Let's see what happens. let me know and e-mail me in rpivate, if you want, or call 0039-02-54116266 a bien tot Bruno > > - would they have info about dealers in their country who would have > or could have rapidly an EDP > + pedal board for sale ? > > - would there be by any chance somebody from Gibson USA reading this > list who would be interested in > helping french people spend their money on an EDP ? french Gibson > network seems to be in complete > reorganisation (mess ?) and not interested at all in helping (been > calling my dealer every 10 days for 2 months > now, and he never has info on when he might finally receive the 3 > EDPs he says he ordered from Gibson). > > For info, the tentative prices my dealer gave me are : > EDP : 1400 euros = $1624 > EDP pedal board : 150 euros = $174 > which makes the complete thing at $1798. > Sounds quite a lot to me (specially when compared to $800 + $100 on > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ ) > > Any info on other european dealers with cheaper prices would of course > be more than welcome. > > Thanks in advance and all the best to all of you. > > Francois > > --Apple-Mail-4-40399577 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII whoops... I send this again I made a mistake in the subject... sorry I just switched to Mac OSX and this new Mail it's not convincing me... Hi everybody I am new to LD. I live in France and it is incredibly hard (if possible at all) to buy looping tools other than boss RC20 here. After trying for over 2 months, I finally bought my Boomerang from a Swiss dealer because there was no way in FR. Now I am looking for an EDP. Francois salut je peux te dir qu'il ya des bonnes nouvelles (au moin je croix... on est jamais vraiment sure...) the EDP is going to be distributed in Europe by Gibson, who has a new main european dealer GibMed, based here in Milano. I just wrote a test for the EDP for the main italian gear magazine. I still didn't see any in the shops but probably they're going to be soon distributed. You can try ask Gib Med, Gill SansGibson Med S.r.l. Via Campania 12 - Z.I. Sesto Ulteriano 20098 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) Italy tel: +39 02 98283838 fax: +39 02 98283839 Email: info@gibsonmed.com there's also a web site http://www.gibsonmed.com Anyhow the suggested price in Italy (I guess in France would be the same) are 1326,88 tax included + 169,26 for the foot controller the street price here in Milan it's going to be around 1200 euro (for the EDP) Gill Sans Questions : - are there any EDP users on LD who are based in Europe (I'm pretty sure I've seen German emails) ? me now :-)) but I'm just a debutant. On the list you have people like Steve Lawson (in London) and mr. Claude Voit in Geneve (who was involved in the project of the software Loop IV) and they're way out more serious then me in their knowledge of this somehow exceptional tool. If you have serious problem in getting one, maybe we can try to buy one here and send it to you. Let's see what happens. let me know and e-mail me in rpivate, if you want, or call 0039-02-54116266 a bien tot Bruno - would they have info about dealers in their country who would have or could have rapidly an EDP + pedal board for sale ? - would there be by any chance somebody from Gibson USA reading this list who would be interested in helping french people spend their money on an EDP ? french Gibson network seems to be in complete reorganisation (mess ?) and not interested at all in helping (been calling my dealer every 10 days for 2 months now, and he never has info on when he might finally receive the 3 EDPs he says he ordered from Gibson). For info, the tentative prices my dealer gave me are : EDP : 1400 euros = $1624 EDP pedal board : 150 euros = $174 which makes the complete thing at $1798. Sounds quite a lot to me (specially when compared to $800 + $100 on http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ ) Any info on other european dealers with cheaper prices would of course be more than welcome. Thanks in advance and all the best to all of you. Francois --Apple-Mail-4-40399577-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 08:51:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HClXx03227; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:47:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:47:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c394ad$0e797600$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B2B@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: qy70/EDP Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:49:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01C3948B.86EAB6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C3948B.86EAB6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: qy70/EDPOkay, here's some clues so far. I can get the QY70 to send = clock message but only if I set up a loop on the drum channels. Other = voices make the EDP go crazy! I'm going to have to look in the QY manual to change those channels = perhaps? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 6:43 AM Subject: RE: qy70/EDP >>Can somebody hold my hand and walk me through getting my QY70 to = sync with=20 my Echoplex? I have the midi in set on the EDP and the midi out of my = QY.=20 I've followed the manual but can't get anything to work. Help!?<<=20 I have a qy70, which I have use as master midi clock on several = occasions. CC's are continous controllers, like volume, pan, and many = others, the use of which varies from one box to another and can be = user-configurable, though there are some loose standards. one of the = most useful things about midi, especially for live music.... but I digress.=20 there's a page in the qy70's midi menu where you can select the clock = mode to either master or slave; the thing is probably already in the = right mode as it won't start at all in slave mode unless there's incming = clock, so it ain't that.... but check it anyway.=20 I don't know the edp's midi implementation, but maybe it's not = responding to midi-start commands.=20 the other annoying thing about the qy70 (and the other little yamaha = units that support XG, their own version of general midi- supposedly a = universal orchestration standard) is that whenever you start a pattern = or song on the qy, it sends a little salvo of CC's and PC's (programme = changes) to set up XG parameters in the remote device so that the songs = play with the right settings. it's quite possible that the EDP is = responding to one of these. make sure that the channel-specific control = of the EDP is selected to a midi channel that the qy70 isn't = broadcasting; the qy can be "told" to operate on one of two groups of 8 = channels (1-8 or 9-16) and persists in setting up the XG parameters even = on empty tracks... so you want to make sure that the EDP is ignoring all = that and just listening for system realtime stuff- start/clock/stop and = possibly song-pointers if this is relevant. the qy series of "walkstations" have some limited potential as = midi-loopers; this is prompting me to dig mine out and play with it = again.... duncan.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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Okay, here's some clues so far. I can = get the QY70=20 to send clock message but only if I set up a loop on the drum channels. = Other=20 voices make the EDP go crazy!
I'm going to have to look in the QY = manual to=20 change those channels perhaps?
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Subject: RE: qy70/EDP

>>Can somebody hold my hand and walk me = through getting=20 my QY70 to sync with
my Echoplex? I have the = midi in=20 set on the EDP and the midi out of my QY.
I've=20 followed the manual but can't get anything to work. = Help!?<<

I have a qy70, which I have use as master midi clock = on=20 several occasions. CC's are continous controllers, like volume, pan, = and many=20 others, the use of which varies from one box to another and can be=20 user-configurable, though there are some loose standards. one of the = most=20 useful things about midi, especially for live music....

but I digress.
there's a = page in the=20 qy70's midi menu where you can select the clock mode to either master = or=20 slave; the thing is probably already in the right mode as it won't = start at=20 all in slave mode unless there's incming clock, so it ain't that.... = but check=20 it anyway.

I don't know the edp's midi implementation, but = maybe it's not=20 responding to midi-start commands.

the other annoying thing about the qy70 (and the = other little=20 yamaha units that support XG, their own version of general midi- = supposedly a=20 universal orchestration standard) is that whenever you start a pattern = or song=20 on the qy, it sends a little salvo of CC's and PC's (programme = changes) to set=20 up XG parameters in the remote device so that the songs play with the = right=20 settings. it's quite possible that the EDP is responding to one of = these. make=20 sure that the channel-specific control of the EDP is selected to a = midi=20 channel that the qy70 isn't broadcasting; the qy can be "told" to = operate on=20 one of two groups of 8 channels (1-8 or 9-16) and persists in setting = up the=20 XG parameters even on empty tracks... so you want to make sure that = the EDP is=20 ignoring all that and just listening for system realtime stuff-=20 start/clock/stop and possibly song-pointers if this is = relevant.

the qy series of "walkstations" have some limited = potential as=20 midi-loopers; this is prompting me to dig mine out and play with it=20 again....

duncan.



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 ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C3948B.86EAB6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 08:58:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HCmZU03341; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:48:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:48:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:54:17 +0100 Subject: Re: EDP in Europe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-41227997 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Geoffrey Smith To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16E083C7-009F-11D8-9FC5-000A27E4786E@ideastudioweb.com> Message-Id: <04A7608D-00A1-11D8-BA1F-000393DBBD02@btopenworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-41227997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Me too its horrible trying to get used to OSX let alone getting everything to work on it!!! G On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 01:35 PM, bk wrote: > whoops... I send this again > > I made a mistake in the subject... sorry I just switched to Mac OSX > and this new Mail it's not convincing me... > >> >> Hi everybody I am new to LD. >> I live in France and it is incredibly hard (if possible at all) to >> buy looping tools >> other than boss RC20 here. >> After trying for over 2 months, I finally bought my Boomerang >> from a Swiss dealer because there was no way in FR. >> >> Now I am looking for an EDP. > > Francois salut > > je peux te dir qu'il ya des bonnes nouvelles (au moin je croix... on > est jamais vraiment sure...) > > the EDP is going to be distributed in Europe by Gibson, who has a new > main european dealer > GibMed, based here in Milano. > > I just wrote a test for the EDP for the main italian gear magazine. > I still didn't see any in the shops but probably they're going to be > soon distributed. > > You can try ask Gib Med, > Gibson Med S.r.l. > Via Campania 12 - Z.I. Sesto Ulteriano > 20098 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) > Italy > tel: +39 02 98283838 > fax: +39 02 98283839 > Email: info@gibsonmed.com > > there's also a web site > http://www.gibsonmed.com > > Anyhow the suggested price in Italy (I guess in France would be the > same) are > 1326,88 tax included > + 169,26 for the foot controller > > the street price here in Milan it's going to be around 1200 euro (for > the EDP) > > >> >> Questions : >> - are there any EDP users on LD who are based in Europe (I'm pretty >> sure I've seen German emails) ? > > > > me now :-)) > > but I'm just a debutant. On the list you have people like Steve Lawson > (in London) > and mr. Claude Voit in Geneve (who was involved in the project of the > software Loop IV) > and they're way out more serious then me in their knowledge of this > somehow exceptional tool. > > > If you have serious problem in getting one, maybe we can try to buy > one here and send it to you. > > Let's see what happens. > > let me know and e-mail me in rpivate, if you want, or call > 0039-02-54116266 > > a bien tot > > Bruno > > > > >> >> - would they have info about dealers in their country who would have >> or could have rapidly an EDP >> + pedal board for sale ? >> >> - would there be by any chance somebody from Gibson USA reading this >> list who would be interested in >> helping french people spend their money on an EDP ? french Gibson >> network seems to be in complete >> reorganisation (mess ?) and not interested at all in helping (been >> calling my dealer every 10 days for 2 months >> now, and he never has info on when he might finally receive the 3 >> EDPs he says he ordered from Gibson). >> >> For info, the tentative prices my dealer gave me are : >> EDP : 1400 euros = $1624 >> EDP pedal board : 150 euros = $174 >> which makes the complete thing at $1798. >> Sounds quite a lot to me (specially when compared to $800 + $100 on >> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ ) >> >> Any info on other european dealers with cheaper prices would of >> course be more than welcome. >> >> Thanks in advance and all the best to all of you. >> >> Francois >> >> --Apple-Mail-2-41227997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Me too its horrible trying to get used to OSX let alone getting everything to work on it!!! G On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 01:35 PM, bk wrote: whoops... I send this again I made a mistake in the subject... sorry I just switched to Mac OSX and this new Mail it's not convincing me... Hi everybody I am new to LD. I live in France and it is incredibly hard (if possible at all) to buy looping tools other than boss RC20 here. After trying for over 2 months, I finally bought my Boomerang from a Swiss dealer because there was no way in FR. Now I am looking for an EDP. Francois salut je peux te dir qu'il ya des bonnes nouvelles (au moin je croix... on est jamais vraiment sure...) the EDP is going to be distributed in Europe by Gibson, who has a new main european dealer GibMed, based here in Milano. I just wrote a test for the EDP for the main italian gear magazine. I still didn't see any in the shops but probably they're going to be soon distributed. You can try ask Gib Med, Gill SansGibson Med S.r.l. Via Campania 12 - Z.I. Sesto Ulteriano 20098 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) Italy tel: +39 02 98283838 fax: +39 02 98283839 Email: info@gibsonmed.com there's also a web site http://www.gibsonmed.com Anyhow the suggested price in Italy (I guess in France would be the same) are 1326,88 tax included + 169,26 for the foot controller the street price here in Milan it's going to be around 1200 euro (for the EDP) Gill Sans Questions : - are there any EDP users on LD who are based in Europe (I'm pretty sure I've seen German emails) ? me now :-)) but I'm just a debutant. On the list you have people like Steve Lawson (in London) and mr. Claude Voit in Geneve (who was involved in the project of the software Loop IV) and they're way out more serious then me in their knowledge of this somehow exceptional tool. If you have serious problem in getting one, maybe we can try to buy one here and send it to you. Let's see what happens. let me know and e-mail me in rpivate, if you want, or call 0039-02-54116266 a bien tot Bruno - would they have info about dealers in their country who would have or could have rapidly an EDP + pedal board for sale ? - would there be by any chance somebody from Gibson USA reading this list who would be interested in helping french people spend their money on an EDP ? french Gibson network seems to be in complete reorganisation (mess ?) and not interested at all in helping (been calling my dealer every 10 days for 2 months now, and he never has info on when he might finally receive the 3 EDPs he says he ordered from Gibson). For info, the tentative prices my dealer gave me are : EDP : 1400 euros = $1624 EDP pedal board : 150 euros = $174 which makes the complete thing at $1798. Sounds quite a lot to me (specially when compared to $800 + $100 on http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ ) Any info on other european dealers with cheaper prices would of course be more than welcome. Thanks in advance and all the best to all of you. Francois --Apple-Mail-2-41227997-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 09:10:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HD3Sq07111; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:03:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c394af$47a09600$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B2B@LON-MAIL07> <007101c394ad$0e797600$2b02a8c0@chris1> Subject: Re: qy70/EDP Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:05:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3948D.BFF7E620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3948D.BFF7E620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: qy70/EDPOkay, now I'm confused. I've figured out that if I use the = higher channels it will not change functions on the EDP. Now the clocks = don't seem to be synced. I start the drum pattern then try putting the = drum loop itself into the EDP loop. Over a long time span it starts to = get out of sync so it can't be quantizing or rounding off the loop. I am = using record button to start and finish.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Payne=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: Re: qy70/EDP Okay, here's some clues so far. I can get the QY70 to send clock = message but only if I set up a loop on the drum channels. Other voices = make the EDP go crazy! I'm going to have to look in the QY manual to change those channels = perhaps? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 6:43 AM Subject: RE: qy70/EDP >>Can somebody hold my hand and walk me through getting my QY70 to = sync with=20 my Echoplex? I have the midi in set on the EDP and the midi out of = my QY.=20 I've followed the manual but can't get anything to work. Help!?<<=20 I have a qy70, which I have use as master midi clock on several = occasions. CC's are continous controllers, like volume, pan, and many = others, the use of which varies from one box to another and can be = user-configurable, though there are some loose standards. one of the = most useful things about midi, especially for live music.... but I digress.=20 there's a page in the qy70's midi menu where you can select the = clock mode to either master or slave; the thing is probably already in = the right mode as it won't start at all in slave mode unless there's = incming clock, so it ain't that.... but check it anyway.=20 I don't know the edp's midi implementation, but maybe it's not = responding to midi-start commands.=20 the other annoying thing about the qy70 (and the other little yamaha = units that support XG, their own version of general midi- supposedly a = universal orchestration standard) is that whenever you start a pattern = or song on the qy, it sends a little salvo of CC's and PC's (programme = changes) to set up XG parameters in the remote device so that the songs = play with the right settings. it's quite possible that the EDP is = responding to one of these. make sure that the channel-specific control = of the EDP is selected to a midi channel that the qy70 isn't = broadcasting; the qy can be "told" to operate on one of two groups of 8 = channels (1-8 or 9-16) and persists in setting up the XG parameters even = on empty tracks... so you want to make sure that the EDP is ignoring all = that and just listening for system realtime stuff- start/clock/stop and = possibly song-pointers if this is relevant. the qy series of "walkstations" have some limited potential as = midi-loopers; this is prompting me to dig mine out and play with it = again.... duncan.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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Okay, now I'm confused. I've figured = out that if I=20 use the higher channels it will not change functions on the EDP. Now the = clocks=20 don't seem to be synced. I start the drum pattern then try putting the = drum loop=20 itself into the EDP loop. Over a long time span it starts to get out of = sync so=20 it can't be quantizing or rounding off the loop. I am using record = button to=20 start and finish.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris = Payne=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 = 8:49=20 AM
Subject: Re: qy70/EDP

Okay, here's some clues so far. I can = get the=20 QY70 to send clock message but only if I set up a loop on the drum = channels.=20 Other voices make the EDP go crazy!
I'm going to have to look in the QY = manual to=20 change those channels perhaps?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, October 17, = 2003 6:43=20 AM
Subject: RE: qy70/EDP

>>Can somebody hold my hand and walk me = through=20 getting my QY70 to sync with
my Echoplex? = I have the=20 midi in set on the EDP and the midi out of my QY.
I've followed the manual but can't get anything to work.=20 Help!?<<

I have a qy70, which I have use as master midi = clock on=20 several occasions. CC's are continous controllers, like volume, pan, = and=20 many others, the use of which varies from one box to another and can = be=20 user-configurable, though there are some loose standards. one of the = most=20 useful things about midi, especially for live music....

but I digress.
there's a = page in the=20 qy70's midi menu where you can select the clock mode to either = master or=20 slave; the thing is probably already in the right mode as it won't = start at=20 all in slave mode unless there's incming clock, so it ain't that.... = but=20 check it anyway.

I don't know the edp's midi implementation, but = maybe it's=20 not responding to midi-start commands.

the other annoying thing about the qy70 (and the = other=20 little yamaha units that support XG, their own version of general = midi-=20 supposedly a universal orchestration standard) is that whenever you = start a=20 pattern or song on the qy, it sends a little salvo of CC's and PC's=20 (programme changes) to set up XG parameters in the remote device so = that the=20 songs play with the right settings. it's quite possible that the EDP = is=20 responding to one of these. make sure that the channel-specific = control of=20 the EDP is selected to a midi channel that the qy70 isn't = broadcasting; the=20 qy can be "told" to operate on one of two groups of 8 channels (1-8 = or 9-16)=20 and persists in setting up the XG parameters even on empty tracks... = so you=20 want to make sure that the EDP is ignoring all that and just = listening for=20 system realtime stuff- start/clock/stop and possibly song-pointers = if this=20 is relevant.

the qy series of "walkstations" have some limited = potential=20 as midi-loopers; this is prompting me to dig mine out and play with = it=20 again....

duncan.



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 ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3948D.BFF7E620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 09:24:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HDJ4G09239; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:19:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:19:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.22] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: XLRs and Mics Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:18:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2003 13:18:58.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[392E8C60:01C394B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who chipped in with an explaination of XLRs and some differant models to look at. Have decided that i need to go to the city and test a few out at the weekend, at least i feel i have a starting point now,cos, dont you just hate it when the assistant in a music shop asks if you need help and you kind of go on a five minute incoherent rant dropping in the words................mic...............errrr...........headset.................errr...........not to expensive............errrr............and so on. Will report back and tell you how i get on. Phill P.S. Im finally getting the EDP of my dreams just finalisted stuff with a very nice guy off this list. YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 09:24:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HDCZ008580; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:12:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:12:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: qy70/EDP Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:12:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c394b0$4e08cb60$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3948E.C6F72B60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <007101c394ad$0e797600$2b02a8c0@chris1> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3948E.C6F72B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you are sending a lot of MIDI message information I suppose you could = be triggering miscelaneous EDP functions. Some modules have the ability to = trim down or filter the amount of MIDI information sent out. I suppose = reading the manual and finding such a feature (if it exists) could aleviate this situation. I found a pdf manual here http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/download2.php take a look at the Section 'Utility Functions' sub section 'Midi Parameters' the XG Parm = Out looks like it could help you out on filtering excess MIDI information. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Payne [mailto:soundboot@o2.co.uk]=20 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: qy70/EDP Okay, here's some clues so far. I can get the QY70 to send clock message = but only if I set up a loop on the drum channels. Other voices make the EDP = go crazy! I'm going to have to look in the QY manual to change those channels = perhaps? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 6:43 AM Subject: RE: qy70/EDP >>Can somebody hold my hand and walk me through getting my QY70 to sync = with my Echoplex? I have the midi in set on the EDP and the midi out of my = QY.=20 I've followed the manual but can't get anything to work. Help!?<<=20 I have a qy70, which I have use as master midi clock on several = occasions. CC's are continous controllers, like volume, pan, and many others, the = use of which varies from one box to another and can be user-configurable, = though there are some loose standards. one of the most useful things about = midi, especially for live music.... but I digress.=20 there's a page in the qy70's midi menu where you can select the clock = mode to either master or slave; the thing is probably already in the right = mode as it won't start at all in slave mode unless there's incming clock, so = it ain't that.... but check it anyway.=20 I don't know the edp's midi implementation, but maybe it's not = responding to midi-start commands.=20 the other annoying thing about the qy70 (and the other little yamaha = units that support XG, their own version of general midi- supposedly a = universal orchestration standard) is that whenever you start a pattern or song on = the qy, it sends a little salvo of CC's and PC's (programme changes) to set = up XG parameters in the remote device so that the songs play with the right settings. it's quite possible that the EDP is responding to one of = these. make sure that the channel-specific control of the EDP is selected to a = midi channel that the qy70 isn't broadcasting; the qy can be "told" to = operate on one of two groups of 8 channels (1-8 or 9-16) and persists in setting up = the XG parameters even on empty tracks... so you want to make sure that the = EDP is ignoring all that and just listening for system realtime stuff- start/clock/stop and possibly song-pointers if this is relevant. the qy series of "walkstations" have some limited potential as = midi-loopers; this is prompting me to dig mine out and play with it again.... duncan.=20 *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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If you=20 are sending a lot of MIDI message information I suppose you could be = triggering=20 miscelaneous EDP functions. Some modules have the ability to trim down = or=20 filter the amount of MIDI information sent out. I suppose = reading the=20 manual and finding such a feature (if it exists) could aleviate this = situation.=20 I found a pdf manual here http://www= 2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/download2.php take=20 a look at the Section 'Utility Functions' sub section 'Midi Parameters' = the XG=20 Parm Out looks like it could help you out on filtering excess MIDI=20 information.
-----Original Message-----
From: = Chris Payne=20 [mailto:soundboot@o2.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 = 8:49=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 qy70/EDP

Okay, here's some clues so far. I can = get the=20 QY70 to send clock message but only if I set up a loop on the drum = channels.=20 Other voices make the EDP go crazy!
I'm going to have to look in the QY = manual to=20 change those channels perhaps?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, October 17, = 2003 6:43=20 AM
Subject: RE: qy70/EDP

>>Can somebody hold my hand and walk me = through=20 getting my QY70 to sync with
my Echoplex? = I have the=20 midi in set on the EDP and the midi out of my QY.
I've followed the manual but can't get anything to work.=20 Help!?<<

I have a qy70, which I have use as master midi = clock on=20 several occasions. CC's are continous controllers, like volume, pan, = and=20 many others, the use of which varies from one box to another and can = be=20 user-configurable, though there are some loose standards. one of the = most=20 useful things about midi, especially for live music....

but I digress.
there's a = page in the=20 qy70's midi menu where you can select the clock mode to either = master or=20 slave; the thing is probably already in the right mode as it won't = start at=20 all in slave mode unless there's incming clock, so it ain't that.... = but=20 check it anyway.

I don't know the edp's midi implementation, but = maybe it's=20 not responding to midi-start commands.

the other annoying thing about the qy70 (and the = other=20 little yamaha units that support XG, their own version of general = midi-=20 supposedly a universal orchestration standard) is that whenever you = start a=20 pattern or song on the qy, it sends a little salvo of CC's and PC's=20 (programme changes) to set up XG parameters in the remote device so = that the=20 songs play with the right settings. it's quite possible that the EDP = is=20 responding to one of these. make sure that the channel-specific = control of=20 the EDP is selected to a midi channel that the qy70 isn't = broadcasting; the=20 qy can be "told" to operate on one of two groups of 8 channels (1-8 = or 9-16)=20 and persists in setting up the XG parameters even on empty tracks... = so you=20 want to make sure that the EDP is ignoring all that and just = listening for=20 system realtime stuff- start/clock/stop and possibly song-pointers = if this=20 is relevant.

the qy series of "walkstations" have some limited = potential=20 as midi-loopers; this is prompting me to dig mine out and play with = it=20 again....

duncan.



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 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3948E.C6F72B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 09:49:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HDl0h13717; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:47:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C394C5.76A37D80@dyn-213-36-226-176.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #730 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:11:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C394C5.76AB1EA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C394C5.76AB1EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi Bruno, thanks very much for your mail. I spoke over the phone to Gibsonmed Italy about 6 weeks ago and they = gave me the phone/fax of Gibsonmed France. I spoke with them too but they are unable to know when the machines will be available in Paris. so I'll keep looking around. I'll keep you informed and might come back to you to buy one from Italy why not. I'll also check the web site you mentionned. Thanks again Francois=20 -----Message d'origine----- De: bk [SMTP:brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com] Date: vendredi 17 octobre 2003 14:36 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #730 > Da: Francois LEBRUN > Data: Ven 17 ott 2003 12:51:03 Europe/Rome > A: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'"=20 > > Oggetto: EDP in Europe > > > Hi everybody I am new to LD. > I live in France and it is incredibly hard (if possible at all) to buy = > looping tools > other than boss RC20 here. > After trying for over 2 months, I finally bought my Boomerang > from a Swiss dealer because there was no way in FR. > > Now I am looking for an EDP. Francois salut je peux te dir qu'il ya des bonnes nouvelles (au moin je croix... on=20 est jamais vraiment sure...) the EDP is going to be distributed in Europe by Gibson, who has a new=20 main european dealer GibMed, based here in Milano. I just wrote a test for the EDP for the main italian gear magazine. I still didn't see any in the shops but probably they're going to be=20 soon distributed. You can try ask Gib Med, Gibson Med S.r.l. Via Campania 12 - Z.I. Sesto Ulteriano 20098 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) Italy tel: +39 02 98283838 fax: +39 02 98283839 Email: info@gibsonmed.com there's also a web site http://www.gibsonmed.com Anyhow the suggested price in Italy (I guess in France would be the=20 same) are 1326,88 tax included + 169,26 for the foot controller the street price here in Milan it's going to be around 1200 euro (for=20 the EDP) > > Questions : > - are there any EDP users on LD who are based in Europe (I'm pretty=20 > sure I've seen German emails) ? me now :-)) but I'm just a debutant. On the list you have people like Steve Lawson=20 (in London) and mr. Claude Voit in Geneve (who was involved in the project of the=20 software Loop IV) and they're way out more serious then me in their knowledge of this=20 somehow exceptional tool. If you have serious problem in getting one, maybe we can try to buy one=20 here and send it to you. Let's see what happens. let me know and e-mail me in rpivate, if you want, or call=20 0039-02-54116266 a bien tot Bruno > > - would they have info about dealers in their country who would have=20 > or could have rapidly an EDP > + pedal board for sale ? > > - would there be by any chance somebody from Gibson USA reading this=20 > list who would be interested in > helping french people spend their money on an EDP ? french Gibson=20 > network seems to be in complete > reorganisation (mess ?) and not interested at all in helping (been=20 > calling my dealer every 10 days for 2 months > now, and he never has info on when he might finally receive the 3=20 > EDPs he says he ordered from Gibson). > > For info, the tentative prices my dealer gave me are : > EDP : 1400 euros =3D $1624 > EDP pedal board : 150 euros =3D $174 > which makes the complete thing at $1798. > Sounds quite a lot to me (specially when compared to $800 + $100 on=20 > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ ) > > Any info on other 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AAAAAEYAAAAAUoUAALcNAAALAASACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAADhQAAAAAAAAMABYAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAAHgAGgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAE AAAAOC4wAAsAB4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwAIgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAADAAmACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAAAB4ACoAIIAYAAAAA AMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAAuACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAA AQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgAMgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQAB AAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03AAA2vA== ------ =_NextPart_000_01C394C5.76AB1EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 11:30:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HFQ3i32061; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031017082859.053d9ec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:30:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: qy70/EDP In-Reply-To: <007101c394ad$0e797600$2b02a8c0@chris1> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B2B@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:49 AM 10/17/2003, Chris Payne wrote: >Okay, here's some clues so far. I can get the QY70 to send clock message >but only if I set up a loop on the drum channels. Other voices make the >EDP go crazy! >I'm going to have to look in the QY manual to change those channels perhaps? you need to put them on different midi channels. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 11:44:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HFfWE03087; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:41:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:41:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F900DCD.B59A049@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:42:05 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: EH 16 second delay reissue only a rumor. References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031017101306.02225bc0@mail.newsensor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5piTJ.A.Hw.s2Ak_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is an email I wrote yesterday and the exact email response I got back from Electro Harmonix/Sovtek regarding the 16 second delay reissue. It could not be clearer, they are NOT reissuing this anytime soon. > >Hello, I recently heard a rumor and was wondering if EH will be reissuing > the 16 second delay pedal in early 2004? I recall talk of this over the past > few years. Any information on the status (or non status) of this project > would be appreciated. >Thanks! >> Re: Information request... > >> Hello. Sorry, unfortunately still a rumour. >> Regards, Chip Scooter Dugan > PS: FWIW The last one I saw sold for around $1300 including the original optional footswitch form a NYC pedal dealer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 12:01:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HFmK104546; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:48:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:48:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c394c6$40405820$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B2B@LON-MAIL07> <5.1.1.6.2.20031017082859.053d9ec0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: qy70/EDP Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:49:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to have sorted out the channel business. The LED flashes in time with the QY70 but when I record a loop it gets out of sync. Is there some kind of quantize that I'm missing? At the moment I'm just using record to start and stop. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: qy70/EDP > At 05:49 AM 10/17/2003, Chris Payne wrote: > >Okay, here's some clues so far. I can get the QY70 to send clock message > >but only if I set up a loop on the drum channels. Other voices make the > >EDP go crazy! > >I'm going to have to look in the QY manual to change those channels perhaps? > > you need to put them on different midi channels. > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 13:07:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HGt2b16961; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:55:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031017165456.49184.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: kaki king? To: loopy In-Reply-To: <3F8F164D.2040103@rosewoodblues.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't know if this was ever discussed here, but i saw kaki king last night opening for mike gordon at irving plaza in ny (and she also played on conan obrien last night). she does quite a bit of sampling/looping. anyone know what she uses or anything about her? ~ evan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 13:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HHBpu21911; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031017165456.49184.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031017165456.49184.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:12:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: kaki king? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >don't know if this was ever discussed here, but i saw >kaki king last night opening for mike gordon at irving >plaza in ny (and she also played on conan obrien last >night). she does quite a bit of sampling/looping. > >anyone know what she uses or anything about her? Yes, I've been following her career for quite a while but if she uses a looper or delay it's news to me. I've only ever seen her use one pedal and that's just for her acoustic guitar pickup, not really an "effect" at all. I'd be pretty surprised if she were sampling and looping. Did you actually see her with pedals and/or an effects rack, or was it her sound? She manages to get an awful lot of layers by just playing well... /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 13:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HHBZe21833; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:11:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031017171127.62400.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: kaki king? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031017165456.49184.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-794493625-1066410687=:59728" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-794493625-1066410687=:59728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii dude, she was on conan o'brien last night and i meant to watch it but i fell asleep. not only did i miss her performance, but i woke up to that stupid guy that used to be on mtv's trl. i saw the clip and she was doing what looked to be some two-handed tapping on an ovation. looked cool. -jim --0-794493625-1066410687=:59728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

dude, she was on conan o'brien last night and i meant to watch it but i fell asleep.  not only did i miss her performance, but i woke up to that stupid guy that used to be on mtv's trl. 

i saw the clip and she was doing what looked to be some two-handed tapping on an ovation.  looked cool.

-jim

--0-794493625-1066410687=:59728-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 14:43:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HIdal04705; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:39:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:39:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031017183930.87195.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:39:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: kaki king? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0WaM0.A.aJB.odDk_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd be pretty surprised if she were sampling and > looping. Did you > actually see her with pedals and/or an effects rack, > or was it her > sound? She manages to get an awful lot of layers by > just playing > well... > well, she played a section, then stopped...switched guitars and continued...and the part was repeated without anyone else playing it, so it seemed like looping to me. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 15:10:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HJ6ks11010; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:06:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:06:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031017190645.11534.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: kaki king? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031017165456.49184.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-301370164-1066417604=:11448" Resent-Message-ID: <1Tn3XC.A.2rC.G3Dk_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-301370164-1066417604=:11448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves, I saw her in a recent issue of Guitar Player. May even be the same one spotlighting Adrian and Robert of King Crimson. Paolo Evan Meyers wrote: don't know if this was ever discussed here, but i saw kaki king last night opening for mike gordon at irving plaza in ny (and she also played on conan obrien last night). she does quite a bit of sampling/looping. anyone know what she uses or anything about her? ~ evan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-301370164-1066417604=:11448 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
If memory serves, I saw her in a recent issue of Guitar Player.  May even be the same one spotlighting Adrian and Robert of King Crimson.
 
Paolo

Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com> wrote:
don't know if this was ever discussed here, but i saw
kaki king last night opening for mike gordon at irving
plaza in ny (and she also played on conan obrien last
night). she does quite a bit of sampling/looping.

anyone know what she uses or anything about her?

~ evan

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-301370164-1066417604=:11448-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 15:14:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HJAnI11954; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:10:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "David Swain" To: Subject: RE: kaki king? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:10:47 +0100 Message-ID: <005901c394e2$5f2de970$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031017183930.87195.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2003 19:10:47.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F46C8A0:01C394E2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9HJAmo11931 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got the album, it's great. Didn’t know she looped though David Swain -----Original Message----- From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] Sent: 17 October 2003 7:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kaki king? > I'd be pretty surprised if she were sampling and > looping. Did you > actually see her with pedals and/or an effects rack, > or was it her > sound? She manages to get an awful lot of layers by > just playing > well... > well, she played a section, then stopped...switched guitars and continued...and the part was repeated without anyone else playing it, so it seemed like looping to me. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 16/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 16/10/2003 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 15:29:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HJKjc13406; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:20:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:20:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005901c394e2$5f2de970$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> References: <005901c394e2$5f2de970$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:20:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: kaki king? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've got the album, it's great. Didn't know she looped though I've got the album too and I think I've seen her play all the songs on it sans looper. >well, she played a section, then stopped...switched >guitars and continued...and the part was repeated >without anyone else playing it, so it seemed like >looping to me. seems pretty unambiguous to me! how interesting! /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 16:04:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HK10G20745; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:01:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:01:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fractal - debut CD out soon Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:00:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2003 20:00:53.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F054EA0:01C394E9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear fellow looping enthusiasts, My band Fractal's debut CD entitled "Continuum" is out soon, and rather than posting the perhaps traditional but gratuitous "please buy my CD" message, I would like to humbly ask if anyone on the list might be kind and interested enough to offer his or her review? I would be able to ship a complimentary CD for this purpose sometime next week (according to the manufacturer), let's say to the first three to respond favorably (if I may be so self-deluding and presumptuous :-). We're a three-piece instrumental band based in San Jose, CA and have put together an album which probably should not be categorised as Looping per se, but does employ looping to a significant extent (I've checked, all songs but a few do involve looping - I'm comfortable that it's legit in the context of this list ;-). Please let me know, by private email if you wish. In any case, thanks for your consideration! Best regards, Nic For info & some sample songs: http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/307/fractal_.html _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 16:40:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HKVbv24718; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031017203136.80362.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Ethel in DC - Any loopers going? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031016135501.37881.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1358128881-1066422696=:80051" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1358128881-1066422696=:80051 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This was the first string quartet I've seen in concert in a long time. They were as edgy and high-energy as advertised. I thought I even heard a little looping in one piece but wasn't sure. Unfortunately, they left for a backstage area that was inaccessible to us common folk, so I didn't get to meet Todd. I guess I was the only other LD-er in the room. Still, they're worth checking out. 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This was the first string quartet I've seen in concert in a long time.  They were as edgy and high-energy as advertised.  I thought I even heard a little looping in one piece but wasn't sure.
 
Unfortunately, they left for a backstage area that was inaccessible to us common folk, so I didn't get to meet Todd.  I guess I was the only other LD-er in the room.   Still, they're worth checking out.
 
Paolo

Paolo Valladolid <paolovalladolid@yahoo.com> wrote:
I doubt this will be a looping show, but anybody going to see fellow LD'er Todd Reynolds play with Ethel in DC tonight?
 
Just curious,
Paolo

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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1358128881-1066422696=:80051-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 17:52:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HLhJL02858; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:43:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:43:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kaki king? References: <005901c394e2$5f2de970$6501a8c0@davidkm1v2z886> Message-ID: From: ernesto schnack Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:43:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.20/Win32 M2 build 3144 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A quote from an interview on Frets magazine (came free with the September issue of GP w/ Jeff Beck on the cover): "It's so tempting to add a looper, but my biggest selling point is that there are no tricks. People don't ask, 'How are you getting that sound?' It's obvious how I'm getting it - you see me do everything." I guess she changed her mind... Ernesto On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:20:00 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> I've got the album, it's great. Didn't know she looped though > > I've got the album too and I think I've seen her play all the songs on > it sans looper. > > -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 18:12:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HLs9604308; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:52:54 -0600 (CST) From: X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Rumor or not... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Once again, heres the message I got From Mike Matthews: a "super" 16 second will be out around February Rock & Roll, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: Hi Mike... > > > > Hey Mike, > > Hope everything is well, I wrote a message to your company ages ago and you > where very kind to respond me personally, (I hope this address is still working) > > I'm writing you directly because I want to know what Sovtek amps are still in > production,I was interested in a EH cabinet but I recieved a very short message > from New sensor Info telling me that they not longer carry them (even if they > are advertised in their web site)Nor most of the Sovtek amp series,it seems weird. > > Finally,like everybody else in this planet I want to know if other EH classics > are being reissued,mostly things like the 16 second delay or the Minisynth, and > what other cool products are in the oven... > > Hope to hear from you soon, > > > Andy Soto > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 18:48:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HMiCB14337; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <132.260a4e00.2cc1caa8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:43:52 EDT Subject: Re: kaki king? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9HMiBo14313 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, In a message dated 10/17/03 9:56:57 AM, evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes: >she does quite a bit of sampling/looping. I saw her as the warm up act for the Charlie Hunter Quintet a few months back. She used no loopers in her live show . . . just a lot of 2-handed tapin' and slappin. I read somewhere that, through her father, she became a big fan of the late Michael Hedges . . . then went on to study with Preston Reed (another 2-handed guitar maestro). She really abused that Ovation she was playing and must go through 'em like nobody's business I tell you. If she used a looper on a TV show I don't know what to say. She hardly used any effects at all live just a few months ago. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 18:51:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HMoAM15150; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c39501$47d42fe0$bafa883e@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: Re: Rumor or not... Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:51:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this could be a little bit pedantic, but maybe it's because we keep asking EHX if they are 'reissuing' the 16 second - well, judging by the response that Mike Matthews gave, they're not - they're introducing an all new 16 second delay pedal! Just a thought! ;-) Gareth > > Once again, heres the message I got From Mike Matthews: > > > a "super" 16 second will be out around February > > > > Rock & Roll, > Mike > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 17 19:29:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9HNJ5S20337; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:19:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:19:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003001c39501$47d42fe0$bafa883e@aoldsl.net> References: <003001c39501$47d42fe0$bafa883e@aoldsl.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:18:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rumor or not... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fwiw, I've been in touch with AnalogMan (Mike Piero) a few times about buying an analog delay. He kept things close to the vest, but he told me that another analog delay with longer delay times than the regular EH MM would be out later this year. Perhaps he was mistaken about the release date, but he could very well be referring to the EH 16 second delay pedal you're discussing. Just a thought. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 01:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9I5NRn15424; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031017222621.052d6028@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:27:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: qy70/EDP In-Reply-To: <008b01c394c6$40405820$2b02a8c0@chris1> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B2B@LON-MAIL07> <5.1.1.6.2.20031017082859.053d9ec0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:49 AM 10/17/2003, Chris Payne wrote: >I seem to have sorted out the channel business. The LED flashes in time with >the QY70 but when I record a loop it gets out of sync. Is there some kind of >quantize that I'm missing? At the moment I'm just using record to start and >stop. what version are you using? do you have 8ths/cycle set right? are you leaving overdub on? is feedback turned down? etc. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 02:02:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9I61B621506; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:01:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP in Europe X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <01C394AF.26E16840@dyn-213-36-226-176.ppp.tiscali.fr> References: <01C394AF.26E16840@dyn-213-36-226-176.ppp.tiscali.fr> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Francois, > I live in France and it is incredibly hard (if possible at all) to buy looping tools > other than boss RC20 here. I am in Denmark and have the same problem. The local Gibson importer refuses to have anything to do with the EDP and will not even quote me a price. I have found a couple of online stores in Germany who seem to stock EDP's: http://www.lindberg.de/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2971 http://www.musikland-online.de/index.php?detail=giteff490374784 I ordered my Boomerang from www.musictoyz.com in the US, but they don't seem to stock the EDP. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 04:41:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9I8eTi16913; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:38:33 -0700 Subject: remembrances From: Stan Card To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well well well- i had to go right to my workweek after i got back from santacruz Y2K3 so, not even a chance to bask in the afterglow... but i gotta say sompin before my shortterm turns into my longterm... whew!! what an experience... looper after looper just blowin minds... i have to say in public 'rick walker what an all around bundle of cozmic energy-like a whirling dervish about the vault...' i have to apolgize to rick for not doing more schlepping as much as i wanted to but i was really mezmerized by each of the enter/info tainment... thanx to allyall...and to rick walker for puttin on the ritz :-) seeya Y2K4 -- stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 09:11:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9ID8v101181; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:08:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:08:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 06:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rumor or not... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > Once again, heres the message I got From Mike Matthews: > > a "super" 16 second will be out around February > Rock & Roll, > Mike Well, let's hope he knows something everyone else in his company either doesn't or is denying. I'll believe it when I step on it and smile :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 11:35:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IFWDx03440; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c3958c$0d1759a0$44661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: Subject: Re: Stan Card and remembrances of your music Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:25:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stan Card, I have to thank you for coming all the way trom Philadelphia to bring at least one song of pure surf nostalgia! If I might Venture to say, I have played the first guitar and looping machine piece of your set over and over many a time. Leave it to an easterner to bring a nostalgic surf sound to surfin' Santa Cruz with some big tube amps and a big guitar speaker. It filled the room and flowed out to the streets. (My dream would be for someone to play such a sound actually on the beach, and to record it with the ocean waves in the backgraound.) Hope you did not have to bring the equipment on the plane. Thank you, and I enjoyed meeting you as well. I am still working on the Y2K3 musical compilation CD(s) morning noon and night. Results soon. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Card" To: "looper people" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:38 AM Subject: remembrances > well well well- > i had to go right to my workweek after i got back from santacruz Y2K3 so, > not even a chance to bask in the afterglow... > but i gotta say sompin before my shortterm turns into my longterm... > whew!! what an experience... > looper after looper just blowin minds... > i have to say in public 'rick walker what an all around bundle of cozmic > energy-like a whirling dervish about the vault...' > i have to apolgize to rick for not doing more schlepping as much as i wanted > to but i was really mezmerized by each of the enter/info tainment... > thanx to allyall...and to rick walker for puttin on the ritz :-) > seeya Y2K4 > -- > stanitarium > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 12:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IGjBs25981; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:45:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:45:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <38.3da378e2.2cc2c80c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:45:00 EDT Subject: Re: Stan Card and remembrances of your music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.3da378e2.2cc2c80c_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_38.3da378e2.2cc2c80c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/03 11:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > I am still working on the Y2K3 musical > compilation CD(s) morning noon and night. Results soon. robin.....i think you had better spend more time than that on it.....:).....this is going to be great!.....michael --part1_38.3da378e2.2cc2c80c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/18/= 03 11:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes:


I am still working on the Y2K3=20= musical
compilation CD(s) morning noon and night. Results soon.


robin.....i think you had better spend more time than that on it.....:).....= this is going to be great!.....michael --part1_38.3da378e2.2cc2c80c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 13:21:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IHGmJ32501; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:16:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:16:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <132.260a4e00.2cc1caa8@aol.com> References: <132.260a4e00.2cc1caa8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:16:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: kaki king? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-Kn3dC.A.q7H.AWXk_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just sent Kaki an email asking about looping -- I chatted to her a few times and gave her a CD when she was at the Knitting Factory and thus I'm on her mailing list. So we'll know sooner or later! /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 13:31:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IHU2I02100; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:30:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:30:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031018172955.98295.qmail@web80211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:29:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: kaki king? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-426272982-1066498195=:97126" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-426272982-1066498195=:97126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii one way or the other, she's one hell of a player! -jim --0-426272982-1066498195=:97126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

one way or the other, she's one hell of a player!

-jim

--0-426272982-1066498195=:97126-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 13:33:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IHU6K02158; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:30:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c3959c$84c8e120$1e681e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <38.3da378e2.2cc2c80c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Michael Who ??? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:23:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C39561.D73BE960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <0bydSC.A.hh.eiXk_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C39561.D73BE960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I should be working on the Y2K3 more than just morning, noon and = night. I should figure out how to simply live life as a continuosly = varying loop. Wait a minute, I believe in reincarnation and that we do = live many lives. I guess we are already looping through existance. And = with more than just 16 seconds samplings, usually. Hmmmmm. Deeeeeeep!!! Is this Michael Klobuchar? I selected a great piece for the CD(s) from = your set. I am happy with it.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Stan Card and remembrances of your music In a message dated 10/18/03 11:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = rob@robinhaas.com writes: I am still working on the Y2K3 musical compilation CD(s) morning noon and night. Results soon.=20 robin.....i think you had better spend more time than that on = it.....:).....this is going to be great!.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C39561.D73BE960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, I should be working on the Y2K3 = more than just=20 morning, noon and night. I should figure out how to simply live life as = a=20 continuosly varying loop. Wait a minute, I believe in reincarnation and = that we=20 do live many lives. I guess we are already looping through existance. = And with=20 more than just 16 seconds samplings, usually. Hmmmmm. = Deeeeeeep!!!
 
Is this Michael Klobuchar? = I selected a great=20 piece for the CD(s) from your set. I am happy with it.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, October 18, = 2003 9:45=20 AM
Subject: Re: Stan Card and = remembrances=20 of your music

In a = message dated=20 10/18/03 11:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com = writes:


I am still working on the Y2K3 musical
compilation = CD(s)=20 morning noon and night. Results soon. =

robin.....i think=20 you had better spend more time than that on it.....:).....this is = going to be=20 great!.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C39561.D73BE960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 13:58:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IHtjm12375; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:55:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20031018172955.98295.qmail@web80211.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031018172955.98295.qmail@web80211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:53:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: kaki king? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >one way or the other, she's one hell of a player! agreed. when I saw her at the Knitting Factory, you could tell the musicians... they were the ones with their mouths hanging open, the ones who went up afterwards to see if she was using any tricky effects... /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 14:06:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9II5Bw15005; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <17e.21b5834c.2cc2dacd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:05:01 EDT Subject: Re: Michael Who ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17e.21b5834c.2cc2dacd_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17e.21b5834c.2cc2dacd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/03 1:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > Is this Michael Klobuchar? robin.....many have asked this question including myself.....i'm very thankful for all of the effort you have put into this project, i can't wait to hear it.....michael the k --part1_17e.21b5834c.2cc2dacd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/18/= 03 1:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com writes:


Is this Michael Klobuchar?

robin.....many have asked this question including myself.....i'm very thankf= ul for all of the effort you have put into this project, i can't wait to hea= r it.....michael the k --part1_17e.21b5834c.2cc2dacd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 14:10:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9II9XC15520; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:09:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031018180926.87050.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: kaki king? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2074669524-1066500566=:84367" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2074669524-1066500566=:84367 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii well, if she does it all with no peripheral gadgetry, i will be doubly impressed. at the risk of getting slammed for sexist commentary, it's sooooo nice to see a girl playing this sort of stuff and at this level of musicianship. -jim --0-2074669524-1066500566=:84367 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

well, if she does it all with no peripheral gadgetry, i will be doubly impressed.  at the risk of getting slammed for sexist commentary, it's sooooo nice to see a girl playing this sort of stuff and at this level of musicianship.

-jim

--0-2074669524-1066500566=:84367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 14:47:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IIkZH25509; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:46:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:46:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c395a7$3427b380$99671e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <17e.21b5834c.2cc2dacd@aol.com> Subject: Re: Michael Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:39:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3956C.873AF360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <-eMW-C.A.aOG.LqYk_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3956C.873AF360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I enjoyed sharing a table with you at the Crepe Place with Stan Card. = Our presence proved we can transcend time and still remain "cool." Or is = it hip, rad, fat or what ever word "they" now use. Perhaps someone can = fill us in the current cool lingo so we can reamain with it. Musicians = always know. They come up with some of that hip talk.=20 It was a pleasure meeting you, and I am glad I am left with some of your = fine vibrations. How is that third floor music studio? Soon I guess you = get a view of snow from it. And soon I get a view of rain from my second = floor studio. I will have to drive a few miles to see a bit of snow on = the summit road you likely drove over to get to Santa Cruz. It happens a = time or two most years, and usually melts in the sun the same day. = Plenty enough for a few snow balls and a picture. Thanks for gettin back = to me. Robin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Michael Who ??? In a message dated 10/18/03 1:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = rob@robinhaas.com writes: Is this Michael Klobuchar?=20 robin.....many have asked this question including myself.....i'm very = thankful for all of the effort you have put into this project, i can't = wait to hear it.....michael the k ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3956C.873AF360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I enjoyed sharing a table with you = at the=20 Crepe Place with Stan Card. Our presence proved we can transcend time = and still=20 remain "cool." Or is it hip, rad, fat or what ever word "they" now = use.=20 Perhaps someone can fill us in the current cool lingo so we can reamain = with it.=20 Musicians always know. They come up with some of that hip talk.=20
 
It was a pleasure meeting you, and I am = glad I am=20 left with some of your fine vibrations. How is that third floor music = studio?=20 Soon I guess you get a view of snow from it. And soon I get a view of = rain from=20 my second floor studio. I will have to drive a few miles to see a bit of = snow on=20 the summit road you likely drove over to get to Santa Cruz. It happens a = time or=20 two most years, and usually melts in the sun the same day. Plenty enough = for a=20 few snow balls and a picture. Thanks for gettin back to me. = Robin
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, October 18, = 2003 11:05=20 AM
Subject: Re: Michael Who = ???

In a = message dated=20 10/18/03 1:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@robinhaas.com = writes:


Is this Michael Klobuchar? =


robin.....many=20 have asked this question including myself.....i'm very thankful for = all of the=20 effort you have put into this project, i can't wait to hear = it.....michael the=20 k ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3956C.873AF360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 14:54:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IIqDr26782; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:52:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:52:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Rumor or not... From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2D91FF37-019C-11D8-82AE-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too bad he didn't specify February of what year.... TravisH >From: >Date: Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:52:54 PM US/Pacific >To: >Subject: Rumor or not... >Once again, heres the message I got From Mike Matthews: >>a "super" 16 second will be out around February >>Rock & Roll, >>Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 14:56:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IIqwW26871; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:52:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:52:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F918C07.6060307@biink.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:52:55 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 reissue References: <004201c3941b$0f9d22d0$0200a8c0@amd> In-Reply-To: <004201c3941b$0f9d22d0$0200a8c0@amd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if it will have a pair of pre-amp tubes in it. EH seems to like designing their newer pedals around the 12ax7 tubes. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 14:57:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IIpZM26701; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:52:15 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Fwd: Re: q: for kaki about looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Kaki King" > >no loops on tv. it was all me. -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 15:03:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IJ0h129249; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:00:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:00:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:00:41 -0700 Subject: Re: kaki king Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200310181847.h9IIlRT25768@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <5E6C5663-019D-11D8-82AE-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9IJ0ho29221 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, she's in the June 2003 issue of Guitar Player (Jack White on the cover). It indicated that it's all just two-handed stuff, and I didn't notice any looping on the CD. I read somewhere else that she recorded two CDs, the all instrumental one that's out, and another one of her singing her songs that'll be released later. TravisH On Saturday, October 18, 2003, at 11:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Paolo Valladolid > Date: Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:06:44 PM US/Pacific > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: kaki king? > > > If memory serves, I saw her in a recent issue of Guitar Player.  May > even be the same one spotlighting Adrian and Robert of King Crimson. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 17:24:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9IK8dk12189; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:08:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:08:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:01:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Ethel in DC - Any loopers going? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031017203136.80362.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3149338012_2256286" Resent-Message-ID: <31epu.A.Q-C.G3Zk_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3149338012_2256286 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for your words Paolo, and glad you enjoyed it. I was looking forwar= d to meeting you. Do remember to always push your way backstage whenever you wish to, at any event where you wish to speak to the artist. At least at our concerts we instruct the front of house =8Cpowers that be=B9 to let anyone back. It would have been nice to meet you. Oh, and... The phil kline did have loops in it... All best, Todd On 10/17/03 4:31 PM, "Paolo Valladolid" wrote: > This was the first string quartet I've seen in concert in a long time. T= hey > were as edgy and high-energy as advertised. I thought I even heard a lit= tle > looping in one piece but wasn't sure. > =20 > Unfortunately, they left for a backstage area that was inaccessible to us > common folk, so I didn't get to meet Todd. I guess I was the only other = LD-er > in the room. Still, they're worth checking out. > =20 > Paolo >=20 > Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> I doubt this will be a looping show, but anybody going to see fellow LD'= er >> Todd Reynolds play with Ethel in DC tonight? >> =20 >> Just curious, >> Paolo >>=20 >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Shopping >> > 2Csec%3Amail> - with improved product search >=20 > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping > Csec%3Amail> - with improved product search --B_3149338012_2256286 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Ethel in DC - Any loopers going? Thanks for your words Paolo, and glad you enjoyed it. =  I was looking forward to meeting you.  Do remember to always push= your way backstage whenever you wish to, at any event where you wish to spe= ak to the artist.  At least at our concerts we instruct the front of ho= use ‘powers that be’  to let anyone back.  It would ha= ve been nice to meet you.  

Oh, and... The phil kline did have loops in it...

All best,

Todd



On 10/17/03 4:31 PM, "Paolo Valladolid" <paolovalladolid@yahoo= .com> wrote:

This was the first string quartet I= 've seen in concert in a long time.  They were as edgy and high-energy = as advertised.  I thought I even heard a little looping in one piece bu= t wasn't sure.
 
Unfortunately, they left for a backstage area that was inaccessible to us c= ommon folk, so I didn't get to meet Todd.  I guess I was the only other= LD-er in the room.   Still, they're worth checking out.
 
Paolo

Paolo Valladolid <paolovalladolid@yahoo.com> wrote:
I doubt this will be a looping show= , but anybody going to see fellow LD'er Todd Reynolds play with Ethel in DC = tonight?
 
Just curious,
Paolo
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The New Yahoo! Shopping <http://shopping.yahoo.com/?__yltc=3Ds%3A150000443= %2Cd%3A22708228%2Cslk%3Atext%2Csec%3Amail>  - with improved product = search
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 --B_3149338012_2256286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 19:19:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9INBUE02937; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c395cd$2ea1dd20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20031007213427.49684.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: EDP Loop IV - HELP - is anyone in Boston or New England using it? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:11:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.133.135] at Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:11:20 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HELP!!! Last time I upgraded to Loop IV I hit all sorts of "dumb-end-user" snags so I reverted back to Loop III. That was over a year ago. So, now I'm trying the again. Already, I'm hitting some of the same snags again... :-( I've resigned myself into accepting I'm not much good at learning things from manuals, and lacking an instructional DVD I'm wondering if I can connect with any EDP Loop IV users in Boston or New England?? I learn from seeing and doing. Is there anyone in the Boston / New England area who is using Loop IV on EDP's (ideally run in stereo) that I can connect with??? Ideally, I'd like to hok up with you for an afternoon. Sincerely, David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 18 23:54:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9J3pZv23925; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c395f4$f44aaf80$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Michael Moon & Friends Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:55:59 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 21st - Michael Moon & Friends Michael Moon has been exploring and recording ambient music for 12 years on primarily accoustic instruments including vibraharp, bells, santour, gongs electric guitar and voices. He has 3 internationally distributed CD's of psycho-accoustic soundscapes and ambient sound as well as performing and recording a Pink Floyd meets Loreena McKennitt style Rock and Roll. Designed for shifting conciousness the music is very entheogenic and spacey. At this Ping show he will be joined by Karina Shaha's magical voice and cheryl o's looping, improv cello sonics. Between Sets CD - "HovR." by Anomalous Disturbances Sublime soundscaping from Vancouver artist Terry O'Brien using looping guitar as a primary sound source. After a darker opening landscape, the album begins to float and never returns to earth. (Available @ ping things) http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 28th - PiNG AMBiENCE LiVE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Outlier" by Spatial Correlation Ryan Hagerman returns under his new guise of Spatial Correlation with the release of Outlier. Continuing his studies of space and environment, working with negative spaces, Ryan creates melodic soundscapes where the absence of notes is sometimes just as important as their presence. >From the oscilating tones of "Squat Camp", through the distorted movement of "Entrepot", to the heart that beats behind "Space Capital", "Outlier" is a brilliant example of the wonders of minimalism. Highly recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 00:18:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9J4Fl201545; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:15:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:15:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.1b8d6df9.2cc369e8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:15:36 EDT Subject: Re: The Ambient Ping presents Michael Moon & Friends To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19c.1b8d6df9.2cc369e8_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19c.1b8d6df9.2cc369e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/03 11:51:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes: > Between Sets CD - "HovR." by Anomalous Disturbances > Sublime soundscaping from Vancouver artist Terry O'Brien > using looping guitar as a primary sound source just listened to this today.....NICE TO DA MAX!!!!!!!.....terry, deep stuff, wonderful.....knocked my socks off.....loved it!.....i'll be in my anti-sars suit and come hear you at da PING!!!!.....thank you!.....michael --part1_19c.1b8d6df9.2cc369e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/18/= 03 11:51:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes:


Between Sets CD - "HovR." by An= omalous Disturbances
Sublime soundscaping from Vancouver artist Terry O'Brien
using looping guitar as a primary sound source


just listened to this today.....NICE TO DA MAX!!!!!!!.....terry, deep stuff,= wonderful.....knocked my socks off.....loved it!.....i'll be in my anti-sar= s suit and come hear you at da PING!!!!.....thank you!.....michael --part1_19c.1b8d6df9.2cc369e8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 00:47:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9J4ipo05627; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:44:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:44:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:44:41 EDT Subject: y2k3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com since i got back from CALI i have been workin my butt off.....i had an 80 year old women tell me tonite that she wished i had not been married and the other couple at the table wanted to take me to BOSTON with them (had to be in their mid 70's).....makes y2k3 seem like some kind of a dream!......WOW.....what great sets, all three daze!.....it's a week later and i'm still kind-o-buzzin.....ABSOLUTE "I AM NOT WORTHY" thanks to all the folks that "LIVE LOOPED" tm., so many good tunes!.....so much energy.....ALL I WANT TO DO IS LOOP, gads! am i in trouble!.....MAJOR THANKS TO RICK-CHRIS-BILL-NANCY-TED-STAN-MATT-ETC-ETC-ETC.....and on and on and on....."thanks for havin' me!".....that's it, i can say no more about y2k3, MORE FUN THAN ANY OLD MAN SHOULD HAVE.....i will be sayin a few words about all of the CDs that i got through trade after i give them several more listenings.....yep!.....TUSHAK KLOBUCHAR.....:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 08:31:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9JCTlF22101; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:29:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:29:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c3963c$50f762e0$f23c5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #343 for October 16, 2003 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:26:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C3961A.BD754080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C3961A.BD754080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #343 October 16, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Michael Stearns, who = helped define the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at Midnight was = "Sustaining Cylinders" on the Fathom label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Radio-Activity" by Kraftwerk on = Capitol records. I played the music of Arttek, a local band scheduled to play at the Gate = to Moonbase Alpha on October 17. I also played the music of The Ministry = of Inside Things and Orbital Decay, two more local bands which will appear = at the next Gathering. Check the Events page for details. Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct EMUSIC Events Page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Kraftwerk Griger Counter Radio-Activity = (Capitol) Kraftwerk Radioactivity Radio-Activity = (Capitol) Orbital Decay 6 of 3 Drastic Park (none) The Ministry of Inside While the Rest of the Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) Things World Sleeps ARC Klangwand Blaze (DiN) VA [Rockers HiFi] Push Push Four A.D. (Waveform) Jon Durant Persimmon Vrief Light (Alchemy) vidnaObmana I An Opera for Four = Fusion Works Act 2: Phrasing the = Air (Hypnos) ++ Arttek Transnoyz Plug In (none) James Johnson Siren Song * Linger (AtmoWorks) 12:00 am Michael Stearns Sustaining Cylinders Sustaining Cylinders = (Fathom) Michael Stearns Sleeping Conches Sustaining Cylinders = (Fathom) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance Copy from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Michael = Stearns. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Plunge" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Ralf and Florian" by Kraftwerk on Vertigo Records. I will play the music of some of the bands that will be performing at = area events in the near future. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C3961A.BD754080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #343       =20             October 16, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Michael = Stearns, who helped
define the spacemusic genre.  The Featured = CD at=20 Midnight was "Sustaining
Cylinders" on the Fathom label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Radio-Activity" by Kraftwerk on=20 Capitol
records.
 
I played the music of Arttek, a local band scheduled to play at the = Gate=20 to
Moonbase Alpha on October 17.  I also played the music of The = Ministry of
Inside Things and Orbital Decay, two more local bands = which will=20 appear at the
next Gathering.  Check the Events page for = details.
 
Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct
EM= USIC=20 Events Page - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Kraftwerk         &nbs= p;    =20 Griger = Counter          =20 Radio-Activity=20 (Capitol)
Kraftwerk        &nb= sp;     =20 Radioactivity          =  =20 Radio-Activity (Capitol)
Orbital=20 Decay           6 of=20 3            =       =20 Drastic Park (none)
The Ministry of Inside  While the Rest of=20 the    Live at the ICA (Synkronos)
 =20 Things           &= nbsp;     =20 World=20 Sleeps
ARC          =           =20 Klangwand          &nbs= p;    =20 Blaze (DiN)
VA [Rockers HiFi]       = Push=20 Push           &nb= sp;   =20 Four A.D. (Waveform)
Jon=20 Durant           &= nbsp; =20 Persimmon          &nbs= p;    =20 Vrief Light=20 (Alchemy)
vidnaObmana        &= nbsp;   =20 I            =            =20 An Opera for Four Fusion=20 Works
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20 Act 2: Phrasing the=20 Air
           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 (Hypnos)=20 ++
Arttek          &= nbsp;      =20 Transnoyz          &nbs= p;    =20 Plug In (none)
James=20 Johnson           = Siren Song=20 *            = Linger=20 (AtmoWorks)
 
12:00 am
Michael = Stearns        =20 Sustaining Cylinders     Sustaining Cylinders=20 (Fathom)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Sleeping Conches         = Sustaining=20 Cylinders (Fathom)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance Copy=20 from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Michael Stearns.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Plunge" = on the=20 Groove label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Ralf and Florian" by = Kraftwerk=20 on
Vertigo Records.
 
I will play the music of some of the bands that will be performing = at=20 area
events in the near future.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C3961A.BD754080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 13:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9JHYCN03313; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:34:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a501c39664$af59cda0$b6e7cfcf@eclipse.net> From: "Edward Yuhas, Jr." To: References: <20031017190645.11534.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: kaki king? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:16:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A2_01C39643.27A054E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01C39643.27A054E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all..... I'm *new* around here, as I've (gasp....) lurked for a while :) I saw Kaki King open for the Tony Levin Band a while back at the Bottom = Line, and she basically just walked out on stage, chewing and snapping = her gum, and then proceeded to blow us all away! I saw no loopers...she = gets her layers from her excellent playing. At first, I thought she was = a Crafty, but she used no pick... Well, a little about me: I've only been taking guitar lessons and playing for two years. Early = lessons conflicted with night school obligations, but hey, I did it! = Night school is done, degree in hand, time to turn my studies toward = guitar :) Here's my setup, so far: Ibanez 6-string acoustic/electric, Ibanez 12-string acoustic, Fernandes = Monterey Elite w/ Sustainer, Digitech RP-100 effects box, Boss CH-1 = Super Chorus, Boss RC-20 looping station, all into a Fender Reverb = Deluxe amplifier.=20 Sooooo, I basically use the looper to practice with by soloing over it, = but I am also interested in getting more serious about looping, with = percussion, etc layered in.=20 I think I have enough on my plate for now. My next pieces of equipment = will be Line6 DL-4 and the Line6 Filter Modeler, perhaps the Boss octave = pedal. These should open some doors for sounds, huh? I enjoy reading everyone's posts, and I do believe that I will learn a = thing or two. I especially like to go out and see live looping, so if = anyone plays in and around NJ, please post to the digest, I'll be there = :) !! Ed in North Jersey ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01C39643.27A054E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all.....
 
I'm *new* around here, as I've (gasp....) lurked for = a while=20 :)
 
I saw Kaki King open for the Tony Levin Band a while = back at=20 the Bottom Line, and she basically just walked out on stage, chewing and = snapping her gum, and then proceeded to blow us all away! I saw no = loopers...she=20 gets her layers from her excellent playing. At first, I thought she was = a=20 Crafty, but she used no pick...
 
Well, a little about me:
 
I've only been taking guitar lessons and playing for = two=20 years. Early lessons conflicted with night school obligations, but hey, = I did=20 it! Night school is done, degree in hand, time to turn my studies toward = guitar=20 :)
 
Here's my setup, so far:
Ibanez 6-string acoustic/electric, Ibanez 12-string = acoustic,=20 Fernandes Monterey Elite w/ Sustainer, Digitech RP-100 effects box, Boss = CH-1=20 Super Chorus, Boss RC-20 looping station, all into a Fender Reverb = Deluxe=20 amplifier.
 
Sooooo, I basically use the looper to practice with = by soloing=20 over it, but I am also interested in getting more serious about looping, = with=20 percussion, etc layered in.
I think I have enough on my plate for now. My next = pieces of=20 equipment will be Line6 DL-4 and the Line6 Filter Modeler, perhaps the = Boss=20 octave pedal. These should open some doors for sounds, huh?
 
I enjoy reading everyone's posts, and I do believe = that I will=20 learn a thing or two. I especially like to go out and see live looping, = so if=20 anyone plays in and around NJ, please post to the digest, I'll be there = :)=20 !!
 
Ed in North Jersey
------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01C39643.27A054E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 14:32:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9JIPpC19020; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:25:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:25:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c301c37edb$4f6284a0$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: References: <20031017190645.11534.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> <01a501c39664$af59cda0$b6e7cfcf@eclipse.net> Subject: Re: kaki king? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:24:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C37EF4.72E2EBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <5_I1OD.A.FpE.vctk_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C37EF4.72E2EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a quick question. I listened to some mp3 s of Kaki King. She has a beautiful tone and it = seems she uses no mic, just the electric line out. Does anyone know what = her setup is or how to get that tone from an ovation? Thanks. Best regards, Erdem Helvacioglu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Edward Yuhas, Jr.=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: 19 Ekim 2003 Pazar 20:16 Subject: Re: kaki king? Hi all..... I'm *new* around here, as I've (gasp....) lurked for a while :) I saw Kaki King open for the Tony Levin Band a while back at the = Bottom Line, and she basically just walked out on stage, chewing and = snapping her gum, and then proceeded to blow us all away! I saw no = loopers...she gets her layers from her excellent playing. At first, I = thought she was a Crafty, but she used no pick... Well, a little about me: I've only been taking guitar lessons and playing for two years. Early = lessons conflicted with night school obligations, but hey, I did it! = Night school is done, degree in hand, time to turn my studies toward = guitar :) Here's my setup, so far: Ibanez 6-string acoustic/electric, Ibanez 12-string acoustic, = Fernandes Monterey Elite w/ Sustainer, Digitech RP-100 effects box, Boss = CH-1 Super Chorus, Boss RC-20 looping station, all into a Fender Reverb = Deluxe amplifier.=20 Sooooo, I basically use the looper to practice with by soloing over = it, but I am also interested in getting more serious about looping, with = percussion, etc layered in.=20 I think I have enough on my plate for now. My next pieces of equipment = will be Line6 DL-4 and the Line6 Filter Modeler, perhaps the Boss octave = pedal. These should open some doors for sounds, huh? I enjoy reading everyone's posts, and I do believe that I will learn a = thing or two. I especially like to go out and see live looping, so if = anyone plays in and around NJ, please post to the digest, I'll be there = :) !! Ed in North Jersey ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C37EF4.72E2EBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a quick question.
 
I listened to some mp3 s of Kaki King. She has a = beautiful=20 tone and it seems she uses no mic, just the electric line out. Does = anyone know=20 what her setup is or how to get that tone from an ovation?
 
Thanks.
 
Best regards,
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Edward Yuhas,=20 Jr.
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: 19 Ekim 2003 Pazar = 20:16
Subject: Re: kaki king?

Hi all.....
 
I'm *new* around here, as I've (gasp....) lurked = for a while=20 :)
 
I saw Kaki King open for the Tony Levin Band a = while back at=20 the Bottom Line, and she basically just walked out on stage, chewing = and=20 snapping her gum, and then proceeded to blow us all away! I saw no=20 loopers...she gets her layers from her excellent playing. At first, I = thought=20 she was a Crafty, but she used no pick...
 
Well, a little about me:
 
I've only been taking guitar lessons and playing = for two=20 years. Early lessons conflicted with night school obligations, but = hey, I did=20 it! Night school is done, degree in hand, time to turn my studies = toward=20 guitar :)
 
Here's my setup, so far:
Ibanez 6-string acoustic/electric, Ibanez = 12-string=20 acoustic, Fernandes Monterey Elite w/ Sustainer, Digitech RP-100 = effects box,=20 Boss CH-1 Super Chorus, Boss RC-20 looping station, all into a Fender = Reverb=20 Deluxe amplifier.
 
Sooooo, I basically use the looper to practice = with by=20 soloing over it, but I am also interested in getting more serious = about=20 looping, with percussion, etc layered in.
I think I have enough on my plate for now. My next = pieces of=20 equipment will be Line6 DL-4 and the Line6 Filter Modeler, perhaps the = Boss=20 octave pedal. These should open some doors for sounds, = huh?
 
I enjoy reading everyone's posts, and I do believe = that I=20 will learn a thing or two. I especially like to go out and see live = looping,=20 so if anyone plays in and around NJ, please post to the digest, I'll = be there=20 :) !!
 
Ed in North = Jersey
------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C37EF4.72E2EBE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 17:28:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9JLKkc32615; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:20:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:20:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c39686$51dfa060$d7f15cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for October 18, 2003 ** Includes the Playlist for Beyond the Barriers Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:16:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C39664.BB8D4700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C39664.BB8D4700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before the AM/FM Show, I filled in as host for Lunar on his "Beyond the Barriers" program. Here is the playlist. The regular playlist for The = AM/FM Show appears below. I followed Lunar's Oktoberfest theme by playing Krautrock from 2:00 to = 4:00 am and featuring all German artists for the rest of the program. = "Keyboards with Klaus" features a track from Klaus Schulze at 4:00 am. The rest of = Beyond the Barriers is filled with elecronic and spacemusic. 2:00 am: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Vangelis The Motion of Stars Direct (Arista) Dzyan Kabisrain Time Machine (Bacillus) Dzyan Magika Time Machine (Bacillus) Dzyan Light Shining Out of Time Machine (Bacillus) Darkness Dzyan Time Machine Time Machine (Bacillus) Dzyan Back to Where We Came Electric Silence = (Bacillus) From Dzyan A Day in My Life Electric Silence = (Bacillus) Dzyan The Road Not Taken Electric Silence = (Bacillus) 3:00 am: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dzyan Khali Electric Silence = (Bacillus) Dzyan For Earthly Thinking Electric Silence = (Bacillus) Dzyan Electric Silence Electric Silence = (Bacillus) Hellmut Hattler Chip Jazz No Eats Yess (Bassball) Ashra Echo Waves Sauce Hollandaise = (Manikin) 4:00 am: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Klaus Schulze Re: People I Know CD#2 "Avec Arthur" from Jubilee Edition = (Manikin) Stephen Parsick Close Beneath the Stars Traces of the Past = (Spheric) 5:00 am: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D [=B4ramp] Fridge Frozen Radios (none) [=B4ramp] Frozen Radios Frozen Radios (none) [=B4ramp] Drowned Frozen Radios (none) [=B4ramp] Din's in the Dale, Steve Frozen Radios (none) Cosmic Hoffmann Beyond the Galaxy Beyond the Galaxy (Mind = Over Matter) Broekhuis, Keller, Slowmotion The Annazall Tapes = (Manikin) Schonwalder & Friends Lunar will return to Beyond the Barriers next week. The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #31 October 18, 2003. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Arttek Tangerine Sea Plug In (none) Ministry of Inside Live Concert * Soundscapes #2 (Fox's = Den) Orbital Decay Live Concert * Soundscapes #1 (Fox's = Den) Arttek Deep Freeze Plug In (none) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Drala Child of Illusion Midnight Flower (Dharma = Moon) Steven Halpern Ocean Suite - Part 1 Ocean Suite (Inner = Peace) Paul Schwartz Turning to Peace State of Grace II = (Windham Hill) Kitaro Shizuku Sacred Journey of = Ju-Kai (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pinnacle Fairytales End A Man's Reach... Magellan Confessor's Overture Impossible Figures = (InsideOut) VA [Spock's Beard] The Bottom Line When Worlds Collide (InsideOut) Poverty/s No Crime Walk Into Nowhere The Chemical Chaos = (InsideOut) Pravda Prelude/Expatriate's The Echoing Sounds = (Sonus Lament West) Underground Railroad Mars * Through and Through = (Laser's Edge) * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on November 1. On that show, = I'll play the music of some of the bands playing at the Gathering Concert Series = and at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C39664.BB8D4700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Before the AM/FM Show, I filled in as host for Lunar on his "Beyond = the
Barriers" program.  Here is the playlist.  The regular = playlist=20 for The AM/FM
Show appears below.
 
I followed Lunar's Oktoberfest theme by playing Krautrock from 2:00 = to 4:00=20 am
and featuring all German artists for the rest of the = program. =20 "Keyboards with
Klaus" features a track from Klaus Schulze at 4:00 = am. =20 The rest of Beyond the
Barriers is filled with elecronic and=20 spacemusic.
 
2:00 am:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Vangelis       &nbs= p;       =20 The Motion of Stars      Direct=20 (Arista)
Dzyan         &n= bsp;        =20 Kabisrain          &nbs= p;    =20 Time Machine=20 (Bacillus)
Dzyan         =          =20 Magika           &= nbsp;      =20 Time Machine=20 (Bacillus)
Dzyan         =          =20 Light Shining Out of     Time Machine=20 (Bacillus)
          = ;            =    =20 Darkness
Dzyan         &n= bsp;        =20 Time=20 Machine           =  =20 Time Machine=20 (Bacillus)
Dzyan         =          =20 Back to Where We Came    Electric Silence=20 (Bacillus)
          = ;            =    =20 From
Dzyan          =         =20 A Day in My Life         = Electric=20 Silence=20 (Bacillus)
Dzyan         =          =20 The Road Not Taken       Electric Silence=20 (Bacillus)
 
3:00 am:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Dzyan        &= nbsp;         =20 Khali           &n= bsp;       =20 Electric Silence=20 (Bacillus)
Dzyan         =          =20 For Earthly Thinking     Electric Silence=20 (Bacillus)
Dzyan         =          =20 Electric Silence         = Electric=20 Silence (Bacillus)
Hellmut=20 Hattler         Chip=20 Jazz           &nb= sp;   =20 No Eats Yess=20 (Bassball)
Ashra         =          =20 Echo=20 Waves           &n= bsp;  =20 Sauce Hollandaise (Manikin)
 
4:00 am:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Klaus=20 Schulze           Re: = People I=20 Know        CD#2 "Avec Arthur"=20 from
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Jubilee Edition (Manikin)
Stephen=20 Parsick         Close Beneath = the=20 Stars  Traces of the Past (Spheric)
 
5:00 am:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
[=B4ramp]       &nb= sp;        =20 Fridge           &= nbsp;      =20 Frozen Radios=20 (none)
[=B4ramp]         =        =20 Frozen = Radios            = Frozen Radios=20 (none)
[=B4ramp]         =        =20 Drowned           =       =20 Frozen Radios=20 (none)
[=B4ramp]         =        =20 Din's in the Dale, Steve Frozen Radios (none)
Cosmic=20 Hoffmann         Beyond the=20 Galaxy        Beyond the Galaxy (Mind = Over
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Matter)
Broekhuis, Keller,     =20 Slowmotion          &nb= sp;   =20 The Annazall Tapes (Manikin)
  Schonwalder & Friends
 
Lunar will return to Beyond the Barriers next week.
 

The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox = who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
 
            =    =20     Show #31       =20             October 18, = 2003.
 
Phase I/Space:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Arttek        =          =20 Tangerine = Sea           =20 Plug In (none)
Ministry of Inside      Live = Concert=20 *           = Soundscapes #2=20 (Fox's Den)
Orbital=20 Decay           Live = Concert=20 *           = Soundscapes #1=20 (Fox's=20 Den)
Arttek          = ;       =20 Deep=20 Freeze           &= nbsp; =20 Plug In (none)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Drala        &= nbsp;         =20 Child of Illusion        Midnight = Flower=20 (Dharma Moon)
Steven=20 Halpern          Ocean = Suite - Part=20 1     Ocean Suite (Inner Peace)
Paul=20 Schwartz           = Turning to=20 Peace         State of Grace II=20 (Windham
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Hill)
Kitaro         &nbs= p;       =20 Shizuku           =       =20 Sacred Journey of=20 Ju-Kai
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 (Domo)
 
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Pinnacle       &nbs= p;       =20 Fairytales = End           A=20 Man's=20 Reach...
Magellan         = ;      =20 Confessor's Overture     Impossible Figures=20 (InsideOut)
VA [Spock's Beard]      The = Bottom=20 Line          When Worlds=20 Collide
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 (InsideOut)
Poverty/s No Crime      Walk = Into=20 Nowhere        The Chemical Chaos=20 (InsideOut)
Pravda        &nbs= p;        =20 Prelude/Expatriate's     The Echoing Sounds=20 (Sonus
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Lament           &= nbsp;      =20 West)
Underground Railroad    Mars=20 *            =       =20 Through and Through=20 (Laser's
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Edge)
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on November 1.  On = that show,=20 I'll play
the music of some of the bands playing at the Gathering = Concert=20 Series and at
the Gate to Moonbase Alpha.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond
the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New=20 Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary=20 releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh=20 and
click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C39664.BB8D4700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 18:53:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9JMp7K30439; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:51:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:51:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1aa.1b64b5a8.2cc46f50@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:50:56 EDT Subject: gig fee To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <6ss-FD.A.gbH.bVxk_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what is the going rate for a "live looping" tm. coffee house gig (2-3 sets) ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 19:15:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9JNBI509807; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:11:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:11:15 -0700 Subject: Re: gig fee From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1aa.1b64b5a8.2cc46f50@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/19/03 3:50 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > what is the going rate for a "live looping" tm. coffee house gig (2-3 sets) ? I think most coffeehouses will generally charge you less than a couple hundred dollars. ;-) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 20:06:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K04CR19855; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:04:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:04:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <46.3fda9cc6.2cc48074@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:04:04 EDT Subject: Re: gig fee To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46.3fda9cc6.2cc48074_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <4wkksB.A.G2E.8Zyk_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_46.3fda9cc6.2cc48074_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/19/03 7:11:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > most coffeehouses will generally charge you less than a couple > hundred dollars LOL --part1_46.3fda9cc6.2cc48074_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/19/= 03 7:11:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:


most coffeehouses will generall= y charge you less than a couple
hundred dollars


LOL --part1_46.3fda9cc6.2cc48074_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 20:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K0pee32161; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:51:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:51:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:56:14 -0400 Subject: Boss DD 20 - performance oriented Looper From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9K0pdo32138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there fellow loopers Anyone try out the not-so-brand-new Boss DD 20??? It fits into the LD definition of 'performance looper'... You can loop on the fly (100 secs)..add to the loop... AND play over the loop WITH any of the delays (reverse, 'tape', digital, several others). It trumps the DL4 on that last aspect and others. I am using it on a current tour - and I have to say it's GREAT for live performance. Of course it doesn't do everything, nothing does. But - I throw it out to anyone looking for a unique twist. I also have many other loopers, old Digitech stuff, Electrix, the Line 6 DL4, etc. What's neat about this is that you can have 4 delay presets (up to 23 secs), PLUS the 100 sec looper. It's also stereo in and out. So - unlike the DD4 - you can click over to the looper while playing guitar etc with both hands. The one 'drawback' I perceived at first, which I'm way over - is that the loop will be lost when you stop it. So - if you have a loop you wanna bring in AND out later.. You'd need to somehow rig up a vol pedal. Just a heads up, since I didnąt see much on this in the archives. My band does Zappa, and as a fanatic of looper-based music, a well kept secret is that Frank was doing extensive looping, all through the mid to late 80s. HE actualy had 4 or 5 diff units hooked up -rack mount stuff - and would often create a couple on the fly. We also do some weirdo stuff in the set. BTW - if we hit yer town - let me know - I can provide a couple tix, first come first serve, to fellow loop-addicts. My band is Project/Object - with Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock and Don Preston - 3 major Zappa band members. We're Performing The Music Of Frank Zappa all around the USA OCT 10- NOV 23 DETAILS : projectobject.com or email me for the dates. Cheers! Andre' Cholmondeley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 21:38:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K1bWw15697; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:37:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:37:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F933F6B.22194C95@erols.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:50:35 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig fee References: <1aa.1b64b5a8.2cc46f50@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > what is the going rate for a "live looping" tm. coffee house gig (2-3 sets) ? Depends on what night of the week you play. If you play on the weekend, you usually get some combination of flat rate, cover charge and tips. One place I play is a $25 flat rate plus tips (which has run any where between $10 and $60 depending on performance and crowd response). Another place charges a $1 cover plus tips. Most nights I get between $30-$70 from the cover and again $10 to $60 dollars in tips. You might play just for tips on a weeknight until you gain the owner's trust. My advice would be to work on developing a good friendly relationship with the owner/booker. Eventually, you can work modest paying gigs into great paying gigs. Good luck, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 21:46:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K1hiF16786; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:43:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:43:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:43:43 -0700 Subject: Re: kaki king? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-260193722 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200310192128.h9JLS9s01394@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-10-260193722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed According to the Guitar Player article, for her album she used an=20 Adamas and a Taylor with two Neumann U87's, and on the Adamas tracks=20 blended in some of the Ovation pickup, which works in stereo (alternate=20= strings to L/R). Live she goes direct through a Tech 21 Acoustic DI. TravisH > > =A0 > I listened to some mp3 s of Kaki King. She has a beautiful tone and it=20= > seems she uses no mic, just the electric line out. Does anyone know=20 > what her setup is or how to get that tone from an ovation? > =A0 > Thanks. > =A0 > Best regards, > =A0 > Erdem Helvacioglu --Apple-Mail-10-260193722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 According to the Guitar Player article, for her album she used an Adamas and a Taylor with two Neumann U87's, and on the Adamas tracks blended in some of the Ovation pickup, which works in stereo (alternate strings to L/R). =20 Live she goes direct through a Tech 21 Acoustic DI. TravisH =A0 I listened to some mp3 s of Kaki King. She has a beautiful tone and it seems she uses no mic, just the electric line out. Does anyone know what her setup is or how to get that tone from an = ovation? =A0 Thanks. =A0 Best regards, =A0 Erdem Helvacioglu = --Apple-Mail-10-260193722-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 19 23:44:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K3hG127763; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD 20 - performance oriented Looper References: Message-ID: From: ernesto schnack Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:42:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.20/Win32 M2 build 3144 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are there any recorded examples of this? I'm not as familiar with his late-80's output. Ernesto On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:56:14 -0400, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: > Just a heads up, since I didnąt see much on this in the archives. My band > does Zappa, and as a fanatic of looper-based music, a well kept secret is > that Frank was doing extensive looping, all through the mid to late 80s. > HE > actualy had 4 or 5 diff units hooked up -rack mount stuff - and would > often > create a couple on the fly. -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 01:03:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K518a17465; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:01:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:01:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c396c7$3f7fbc20$dcdfa942@brunkhorst> From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: Subject: Dallas-area looping gig spam Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:01:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3969D.53533620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3969D.53533620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Urban Folk Matt Wigton: electric & acoustic basses=20 Tom Luer: soprano & tenor saxophones Kevin Brunkhorst: guitars, loops, effects Jon Deitemyer: drums JJ's Pizza On The Square 118 W Oak St Denton TX Thurs 10/23 9-12 no cover all original jazz, with elements of ECM space, free playing, strange = chords... and looping ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3969D.53533620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3969D.53533620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 01:27:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K5PrJ21939; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:25:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:25:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Zappa as Looper Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:25:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <6WTVCB.A.qWF.hH3k_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200205/msg00003.html Gary Lehmann -----Original Message----- From: ernesto schnack [mailto:schnack@mailbolt.com] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD 20 - performance oriented Looper are there any recorded examples of this? I'm not as familiar with his late-80's output. Ernesto On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:56:14 -0400, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: > Just a heads up, since I didnąt see much on this in the archives. My band > does Zappa, and as a fanatic of looper-based music, a well kept secret is > that Frank was doing extensive looping, all through the mid to late 80s. > HE > actualy had 4 or 5 diff units hooked up -rack mount stuff - and would > often > create a couple on the fly. -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 01:34:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K5THF23040; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:29:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:29:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031019233759.007d6380@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:37:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Michael In-Reply-To: <001201c395a7$3427b380$99671e43@r1x5s0> References: <17e.21b5834c.2cc2dacd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Actually, fat is Phat, which is cool, but hip is cooler, so being really cool is HIP! lol! -and there's always BITCHIN'!!! lol! -which incidentally, we've also seen alot of lately on LD! lollollol! Have a great night All!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 01:36:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K5Y6H23712; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:34:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:34:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031019234249.007d5d30@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:42:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: EDP Loop IV - HELP - is anyone in Boston or New England using it? In-Reply-To: <000401c395cd$2ea1dd20$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20031007213427.49684.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, I mayh be traveling there for Thanksgiving if you'd like to get together. I use Loop IV. -just a single EDP though. I'd be more than happy to help if I can. Lemme' know. Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K5sYd31618; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:54:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:54:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c396cd$aed71860$d6671e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <17e.21b5834c.2cc2dacd@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20031019233759.007d6380@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: new lingo Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:47:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did not realize about the spelling of Phat.What is the derivation of the term, or do I sound hoplessly uncool for asking? Loopers need a new lingo. Perhaps it can be a part of their "mystique." By the end of a gig, a new word would work many levels into the minds of the audience through electronic repetition. Now to find the word... How about "packo." That new club is really packo, dude!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Michael > -Actually, fat is Phat, which is cool, but hip is cooler, so being really > cool is HIP! lol! -and there's always BITCHIN'!!! lol! -which > incidentally, we've also seen alot of lately on LD! lollollol! Have a > great night All!... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > > > > --- > > View my online portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 > -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 02:13:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K6BFI08718; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031020001749.007e6a10@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:17:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: kaki king? In-Reply-To: <20031018180926.87050.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim said, at the risk of getting slammed for sexist commentary, it's sooooo nice to >see a girl playing this sort of stuff and at this level of musicianship. Jim, there are quite a few of us doing this sort of thing, some of whom are extremely versed in their art and talents. Rick Walker actually produced the first Women's Looping festival just last year. -just an FYI. Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 02:33:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K6UPX11727; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:30:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:30:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031020003908.0096ed50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:39:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: new lingo In-Reply-To: <001801c396cd$aed71860$d6671e43@r1x5s0> References: <17e.21b5834c.2cc2dacd@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20031019233759.007d6380@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Naah, I've actually seen it both ways, but Phat is usually cooler! lol! -but Phat isn't in my dictionary while Fat is, so go figure... Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K73uT18021; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: new lingo Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:03:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031020003908.0096ed50@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <10-rDD.A.aZE.cj4k_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My 2 cents-- Most of the more recent American slang has come from the streets, courtesy of Black America, hence Phat and my favorites, "wack" and "dope" . . . America owes much to the African American! Since looping is present in modern dance music, does that community have any pertinent slang terms we propeller heads (please please can I be one?) can co-opt? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 03:18:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K7EKU26077; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:14:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:14:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031020012303.009658d0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:23:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: new lingo In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031020003908.0096ed50@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7quusD.A.VXG.Mt4k_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya forgot Fly! like, Gary's the dopest, flyest, OG pimp, hustler, gangsta', player, hardcore MF, and I'm totally and completely, on his- well, nevermind. lol! -some of you know what I'm talking about. -Nighters, C-Quinn At 12:03 AM 10/20/03 -0700, you wrote: >My 2 cents-- >Most of the more recent American slang has come from the streets, courtesy >of Black America, hence Phat and my favorites, "wack" and "dope" . . . >America owes much to the African American! >Since looping is present in modern dance music, does that community have any >pertinent slang terms we propeller heads (please please can I be one?) can >co-opt? >Gary > > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 05:14:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K9AMX25872; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c396ea$12dccdc0$0207a8c0@Stephen> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031020003908.0096ed50@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031020012303.009658d0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: new lingo Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:10:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a fact, Jack! Righteous! Really! Intense! Excellent! Really Boo. I would however vote for utmost elimination of the most irritating, redundant, idiotic verbage yet: "Ya know what I'm sayin'?" I've been waiting for someone to attempt saying that this is the 90s-rap descendant of Robert Johnson's "You know what I'm talkin' 'bout", but in the absence of this, I'll say that I can't figure out which is admittedly more stupid, the person saying that or the person putting up with listening to it, over and over and frigging over again. As insipid as someone saying "Okay?" after every other sentence. Okay? Linguistic speed bumps like this are easily cured through the effective device of schoolroom ridicule. I once had the bad habit of punctuating my speaking with "Anyway," which is fine once in a while, but every other sentence? During a Show and Tell one day, I got up and was explaining how something I'd brought in worked, until the teacher stopped me and said to the class that every time I said "Anyway", everyone would hold their finger to their nose. Of course every time one might ask a room full of 9-year-olds to do this, laughter will follow, not just the requested action. So, every time I attempted to use "Anyway", the class would hoot, holler, and put their finger on the side o' the nose. I shouldn't have to say that, when "The Sting" came out some years later, and they were doing that same thing with the finger-nose bit, I had a chuckle. Years later I got back in my own way. A substitute teacher I had in HS used "Okay?" at the end of so many sentences, that by 3-4 minutes into the hour-long class, I started counting the number of times he said it. At the end of the class, the total was almost 500. I figured that I'd never see the guy again, so I went up after class and gave him the piece of paper with the chit marks on it, explaining that this was how many times he'd said "Okay?" during his class. Hopefully he stopped it himself. :) Anyway! Ya know what I'm sayin'? Okay. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net "Goddess" said.. > Ya forgot Fly! like, Gary's the dopest, flyest, OG pimp, hustler, > gangsta', player, hardcore MF, and I'm totally and completely, on his- > well, nevermind. lol! -some of you know what I'm talking about. > -Nighters, > > C-Quinn > > At 12:03 AM 10/20/03 -0700, you wrote: > >My 2 cents-- > >Most of the more recent American slang has come from the streets, courtesy > >of Black America, hence Phat and my favorites, "wack" and "dope" . . . > >America owes much to the African American! > >Since looping is present in modern dance music, does that community have any > >pertinent slang terms we propeller heads (please please can I be one?) can > >co-opt? > >Gary > > > > > > > > > --- > > View my online portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 > -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 05:16:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9K9CDv26269; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:12:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:12:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:12:02 +0100 Subject: repeater midi clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <77963672-02DD-11D8-AD60-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone else encountered minor inaccuracies when MIDI clocking a Repeater from a sequencer? I'm using Logic 6.2. For example, I set Logic's tempo to 120 bpm, the Repeater thinks a bit, agrees, but then finally settles on 120.1... I don't see it as a major problem, but is does seem slightly strange. Paul Greenstein From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 08:04:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KBwgL11710; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:58:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:58:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:05:49 +0000 Subject: Re: repeater midi clock From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3149499950_67801_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3149499950_67801_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit . . . I notice the tempo changing slightly when i send a lot of controller information through the MIDI line. 120bpm sometimes equals 119.9 bpm ---------- From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater midi clock Date: Mon, Oct 20, 2003, 9:12 am Has anyone else encountered minor inaccuracies when MIDI clocking a Repeater from a sequencer? I'm using Logic 6.2. For example, I set Logic's tempo to 120 bpm, the Repeater thinks a bit, agrees, but then finally settles on 120.1... I don't see it as a major problem, but is does seem slightly strange. Paul Greenstein --MS_Mac_OE_3149499950_67801_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: repeater midi clock . . . I notice the tempo changing slightly when i send a lot of controller= information through the MIDI line. 120bpm  sometimes equals 119.9 bpm<= BR>
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From: Paul Greenstein <paul@ubiq.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: repeater midi clock
Date: Mon, Oct 20, 2003, 9:12 am


Has anyone else encountered minor inaccuracies when MIDI cl= ocking a
Repeater from a sequencer? I'm using Logic 6.2. For example, I set
Logic's tempo to 120 bpm, the Repeater thinks a bit, agrees, but then
finally settles on 120.1...
I don't see it as a major problem, but is does seem slightly strange.



Paul Greenstein





--MS_Mac_OE_3149499950_67801_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 09:14:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KDA8o29836; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:10:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:10:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000101c3970b$c0d62540$d9ff883e@garethha> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: Subject: Re: Boss DD 20 - performance oriented Looper Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:57:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, the ability to use the other delay modes whilst using the looping function has certainly got me interested in the pedal. Gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Cholmondeley" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:56 AM Subject: Boss DD 20 - performance oriented Looper It fits into the LD definition of 'performance looper'... You can loop on the fly (100 secs)..add to the loop... AND play over the loop WITH any of the delays (reverse, 'tape', digital, several others). It trumps the DL4 on that last aspect and others. I am using it on a current tour - and I have to say it's GREAT for live performance. Of course it doesn't do everything, nothing does. But - I throw it out to anyone looking for a unique twist. I also have many other loopers, old Digitech stuff, Electrix, the Line 6 DL4, etc. What's neat about this is that you can have 4 delay presets (up to 23 secs), PLUS the 100 sec looper. It's also stereo in and out. So - unlike the DD4 - you can click over to the looper while playing guitar etc with both hands. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 11:15:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KF7Z829946; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:07:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:07:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <104.37da6e7d.2cc5542a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:07:22 EDT Subject: Re: new lingo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/20/03 2:26:10 AM, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: << Anyway! Ya know what I'm sayin'? Okay. >> In a way, these are like loops eh? A word like ok or anyway after every other sentence would be sort of like a "glitch" loop. Rhythmic iterative patterns perform a linking function that are part of an individual's sense of flow. Partly it may be a fear of using pause/silence for emphasis, so the repeated words are there for continuity and sustaining the thought constructs as well as "holding the floor". There is an artist who is using software to remove language from speech so that you can hear what is between the words : sighs, clicks, rumbles etc. These also appear in repetitive looping patterns. I don't have the url handy but it is called Language Removal Services and there are audio clips, a search at www.npr.org or google should bring it up. BobC visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 11:35:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KFVxB00999; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:31:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:31:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:31:49 +0100 Subject: Re: new lingo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <104.37da6e7d.2cc5542a@aol.com> Message-Id: <8599999D-0312-11D8-84BB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps there is a musical analogue to this - improvising musicians often tend to unconsciously fall back on repetitive patterns (nothing to do with looping), which are 'tried and tested' i.e. confortable idioms, riffs, chord structures etc. I would suggest that this is the musical equivalent of verbal filler - phrases like 'now what I mean', and another one which I've noticed recently in UK 'yeh, no' preceding a statement... I went to see Robert Fripp play at the Purcell Rooms in London a few years back. He was playing for free in the foyer, so I went for 2 days running. The thing that hit me most was that he managed to almost completely avoid the standard riffing and cliche that is so much part of a musicians language. He did start playing what could loosely be called a standard 'guitar solo' over one loop, but it was a momentary lapse. It takes a lot of discipline to avoid this kind of stuff, both verbally and musically. Paul On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 04:07 pm, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/20/03 2:26:10 AM, spgoodman@earthlight.net > writes: > > << Anyway! Ya know what I'm sayin'? Okay. >> > > In a way, these are like loops eh? A word like ok or anyway after > every other > sentence would be sort of like a "glitch" loop. > Rhythmic iterative patterns perform a linking function that are part > of an > individual's sense of flow. Partly it may be a fear of using > pause/silence for > emphasis, so the repeated words are there for continuity and > sustaining the > thought constructs as well as "holding the floor". > > There is an artist who is using software to remove language from > speech so > that you can hear what is between the words : sighs, clicks, rumbles > etc. These > also appear in repetitive looping patterns. I don't have the url handy > but it > is called Language Removal Services and there are audio clips, a > search at > www.npr.org or google should bring it up. > > BobC > > visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > > > > The Thumb Piano Project > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 11:37:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KFRBT00360; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:27:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: new lingo Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:27:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <104.37da6e7d.2cc5542a@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bob C contributed: Rhythmic iterative patterns perform a linking function that are part of an individual's sense of flow. Partly it may be a fear of using pause/silence for emphasis, so the repeated words are there for continuity and sustaining the thought constructs as well as "holding the floor". >>We're getting into the territory I was after--"flow" for example is a rap term, certainly can be applied to looping. More? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 12:18:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KGDQJ19236; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:13:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater midi clock Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:13:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2003 16:13:20.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[13FBF790:01C39725] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see this also, but by all evidence only as a read-out discrepancy, not as a real timing inaccuracy. I can have a sequencer at 120, the readout might say 120.0 or 120.1 but after letting the loop run for many many times (30mins?), there will be no discernible shift (of course). It might be that due to the adaptability/tracking (rather than hard lock) that the Repeater offers, the readout is a result of a longer-term running average calculation - combined with a rounding artefact. Someone with knowledge of the algorithm could tell, but those souls apparently don't roam this forum anymore (or do they?). Nic >From: Paul Greenstein >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: repeater midi clock >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:12:02 +0100 > >Has anyone else encountered minor inaccuracies when MIDI clocking a >Repeater from a sequencer? I'm using Logic 6.2. For example, I set Logic's >tempo to 120 bpm, the Repeater thinks a bit, agrees, but then finally >settles on 120.1... >I don't see it as a major problem, but is does seem slightly strange. > > > >Paul Greenstein > _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 12:22:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KG7wJ18556; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: new lingo Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:09:14 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c39724$81f6fc50$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <8599999D-0312-11D8-84BB-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, following Fripp's guitar craft (and other) writings, this trying to avoid musical "phrases de toutes les jours" was the main reason for the creation of the new standard tuning for guitar. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Greenstein [mailto:paul@ubiq.co.uk] > Sent: Montag, 20. Oktober 2003 17:32 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: new lingo > > > Perhaps there is a musical analogue to this - improvising musicians > often tend to unconsciously fall back on repetitive patterns (nothing > to do with looping), which are 'tried and tested' i.e. confortable > idioms, riffs, chord structures etc. I would suggest that this is the > musical equivalent of verbal filler - phrases like 'now what I mean', > and another one which I've noticed recently in UK 'yeh, no' > preceding a > statement... > > I went to see Robert Fripp play at the Purcell Rooms in London a few > years back. He was playing for free in the foyer, so I went > for 2 days > running. The thing that hit me most was that he managed to almost > completely avoid the standard riffing and cliche that is so much part > of a musicians language. He did start playing what could loosely be > called a standard 'guitar solo' over one loop, but it was a momentary > lapse. It takes a lot of discipline to avoid this kind of > stuff, both > verbally and musically. > > Paul > > > On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 04:07 pm, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 10/20/03 2:26:10 AM, spgoodman@earthlight.net > > writes: > > > > << Anyway! Ya know what I'm sayin'? Okay. >> > > > > In a way, these are like loops eh? A word like ok or anyway after > > every other > > sentence would be sort of like a "glitch" loop. > > Rhythmic iterative patterns perform a linking function that > are part > > of an > > individual's sense of flow. Partly it may be a fear of using > > pause/silence for > > emphasis, so the repeated words are there for continuity and > > sustaining the > > thought constructs as well as "holding the floor". > > > > There is an artist who is using software to remove language from > > speech so > > that you can hear what is between the words : sighs, > clicks, rumbles > > etc. These > > also appear in repetitive looping patterns. I don't have > the url handy > > but it > > is called Language Removal Services and there are audio clips, a > > search at > > www.npr.org or google should bring it up. > > > > BobC > > > > visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > > > > > > > > The Thumb Piano Project > > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 12:43:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KGcGn22980; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:38:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:38:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:35:42 -0400 Subject: help! Gig tonight in nyc! From: Leanne Darling To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings fellow loopers, I'm a violist that loops using a Boomerang. I'm making a concert debut tonight in New York for the New York Viola Society. Unfortunately, the power chord (AC adapter) for my Boomerang is at my sister's place in NC. I've tried replacing the chord with one from Radio Shack with the same voltage and amplitude (9VAC,300mA) but it produces a large hum out of my amp and nothing else. I've tried calling Boomerang, but just get their voice mail, tried all the NY stores who sell the 'rang but they won't sell me just the chord and won't let me take anything for the day, and I'm running out of friends to ask who might have one. If you live in th NYC area, have a Boomerang (I have the older version), and are willing to rent or lend the power chord or the 'rang itself for this evening, Monday Oct. 20, please call me ASAP - 347-451-9917. The concert starts at 7:30 and is on the upper west side. There is a sound check at 6:00pm, but am willing to skip it if I can get the equipment. I can come get the boomerang and return it to you tuesday morning. Many thanks, Leanne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 12:47:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KGdqv23229; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:39:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:39:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:39:44 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: gig fee To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005401c39728$c862a5a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3F933F6B.22194C95@erols.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > what is the going rate for a "live looping" tm. coffee house gig (2-3 sets) ? I think this all comes down to the kind of music you're creating with the looper. If it's accessable songlike material, you're in the same ballpark as any solo singer/guitarist. If it pushes the limits of genre or becomes genre-less, you're at the mercy of the masses (and more obviously tightrope-walking on the kindness of strangers). Personally, I've been "out of the 'live gig' loop" for a couple of years, working on other stuff, but I'm going back into the fire in a few months. When I play "legit" gigs, I'm bringing years of experience with me and won't gig for less than about $200, locally. But when I unleash my electronica-chill-waves'o'swirl-Stockhousin' loop-based stuff on the world, I fully expect to play only for tips for a few months until (and IF) I develop some kind of crowd. When a fair number of people show up to be in your space when you conduit the Muse, you can charge money to the spaceowner for that commodity. Nay say pa? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 12:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KGp8h01570; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:51:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: help! Gig tonight in nyc! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Greetings fellow loopers, > >I'm a violist that loops using a Boomerang. I'm making a concert debut >tonight in New York for the New York Viola Society. Unfortunately, the >power chord (AC adapter) for my Boomerang is at my sister's place in NC. >I've tried replacing the chord with one from Radio Shack with the same >voltage and amplitude (9VAC,300mA) but it produces a large hum out of my amp >and nothing else. I've tried calling Boomerang, but just get their voice >mail, tried all the NY stores who sell the 'rang but they won't sell me just >the chord and won't let me take anything for the day, and I'm running out of >friends to ask who might have one. > >If you live in th NYC area, have a Boomerang (I have the older version), and >are willing to rent or lend the power chord or the 'rang itself for this >evening, Monday Oct. 20, please call me ASAP - 347-451-9917. The concert >starts at 7:30 and is on the upper west side. There is a sound check at >6:00pm, but am willing to skip it if I can get the equipment. I can come >get the boomerang and return it to you tuesday morning. Very strange that you only get a hum. If nothing else works, I'd highly recommend trying the GodLyke powersupply -- it rocks for 9V stuff. I'm pretty sure you can get them at First Flight Music at 174 First Avenue at about 10th St. (call first -- sorry there's no # on their web site!) and I'll bet they'd open the package and let you try it out to make sure. If they don't have it, surely Sam Ash on 48 St. would. It's about $40 but it will power every 9V gadget you have, plus Line 6 gizmos, from one plug, on 110V and 220V. Let us know how it went. /t -- http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music and arts mailing list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 13:11:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KH5jR05682; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:05:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:05:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031020170543.79206.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: RE: new lingo; everything loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1664505938-1066669543=:79045" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1664505938-1066669543=:79045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I always like "fresh" and "tight". As for the derivation of phat, the first time heard it used was in the phrase "a fat joint" (see also, "fatty") Then came "a phat show", and then suddenly anything could be phat. The ph might have come into play because of the band Phish... or maybe they were just tapping into a linguistical contusion that was already there... I really like the idea of looping speech patterns. Of course, if you look at the appropriate time scale (frequency), everything is looping/oscillating: spinning electrons, vibrating atoms, cells and organisms reproducing themselves, day/night and seasonal cycles, orbits, tides... how about conservative > liberal > conservative > liberal politics (I really hope that one plays out!)? Fashion trends? Economic cycles? The universe continually expanding and contracting??? That's why looping is the ultimate art form... can I get a "Hell Yeah"? Joe B Relay wrote: My 2 cents-- Most of the more recent American slang has come from the streets, courtesy of Black America, hence Phat and my favorites, "wack" and "dope" . . . America owes much to the African American! Since looping is present in modern dance music, does that community have any pertinent slang terms we propeller heads (please please can I be one?) can co-opt? Gary _______________ www.metaman.us --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1664505938-1066669543=:79045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I always like "fresh" and "tight".  As for the derivation of phat, the first time heard it used was in the phrase "a fat joint"  (see also, "fatty")  Then came "a phat show", and then suddenly anything could be phat.  The ph might have come into play because of the band Phish... or maybe they were just tapping into a linguistical contusion that was already there...
I really like the idea of looping speech patterns.  Of course, if you look at the appropriate time scale (frequency), everything is looping/oscillating: spinning electrons, vibrating atoms, cells and organisms reproducing themselves, day/night and seasonal cycles, orbits, tides... how about conservative > liberal > conservative > liberal politics (I really hope that one plays out!)?  Fashion trends?  Economic cycles?  The universe continually expanding and contracting???
That's why looping is the ultimate art form... can I get a "Hell Yeah"? 
 
Joe B
Relay <relaydelayband@earthlink.net> wrote:
My 2 cents--
Most of the more recent American slang has come from the streets, courtesy
of Black America, hence Phat and my favorites, "wack" and "dope" . . .
America owes much to the African American!
Since looping is present in modern dance music, does that community have any
pertinent slang terms we propeller heads (please please can I be one?) can
co-opt?
Gary



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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1664505938-1066669543=:79045-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 13:17:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KHCXK07050; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:12:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031020171227.71497.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: q: for kaki about looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wait...this says on tv...what about the performances with mike gordon? --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > >From: "Kaki King" > > > >no loops on tv. it was all me. > > -- > > http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music > and arts mailing list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 13:18:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KHBD906665; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:11:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:11:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:09:55 -0500 Subject: Re: new lingo From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3149496595_5280520_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3149496595_5280520_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have heard that the term "phat" is actually an acronym for "pretty hot and tempting"; originally in reference, of course, to the opposite sex. -- Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS --MS_Mac_OE_3149496595_5280520_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: new lingo I have heard that the term "phat" is actually an acronym for &quo= t;pretty hot and tempting"; originally in r= eference, of course, to the opposite sex.
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--MS_Mac_OE_3149496595_5280520_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 13:19:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KHBub06815; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:11:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031020171150.74441.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: q: for kaki about looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wowie zowie... --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > >From: "Kaki King" > > > >no loops on tv. it was all me. > > -- > > http://extremeNY.com/list ....... extreme NY music > and arts mailing list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 14:32:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KIOod21111; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:24:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:24:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Hoby Ebert" To: "LoopersDelightlist" Subject: DL4 with a mind of its own Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:24:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C39715.E4B85960" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C39715.E4B85960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I'm curious as to whether any DL4 users have had their box suddenly decide that it had a favorite tempo and didn't want to do anything else. I've had my DL4 for a little more than a year and just today was startled by this new behavior, which occurs when I'm using the box in delay mode. After anywhere from 30 seconds to a couple of minutes of playing, the box will give off the characteristic "someone-just-grabbed-the-Delay-Time-knob-and-gave-it-a-twist" sound and the tap tempo will set itself to a different tempo. The Tempo LED will flash in time with this new tempo and the LED above the active footswitch will blink to show that the preset has been tweaked but not saved. I can't be positive, but I'm pretty sure that the tempo to which it changes on its own is the same tempo each time. It doesn't matter whether I'm using a factory preset or one of my own saved settings. I have been running the box trouble-free using a VoodooLabs Power Pedal 2 for a number of months. When this problem came up I tried using the Line6 line wart to rule out a problem between the DL4 and the Pedal Power. Same problem. I tried a hard reset (knowing it would cost me my presets, grrr). Still the same problem. This was happening consistently this morning (after the box worked perfectly last night). I used my time-tested method of dealing with malfunctioning equipment, which is to walk away from it for a couple of hours, and now the box is behaving correctly. But that's probably because it knows that I'm writing to you folks for help. Anyway, has anyone experienced this phenomenon? 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C39742.5D728D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 15:57:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KJppi03775; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:51:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:51:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:49:17 -0400 Subject: Re: help! Gig tonight in nyc! From: Leanne Darling To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6myF5C.A.26.WzDl_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, Soon after I posted I got a call from Rogue music on w. 30th. When I 1st called them they weren't that helpful, but the guy who called me back seemed confident that he could set me up with a adapter. So I went down and they found an OEM adapter that worked!! Cost to me: all of $5. Saved the day. I guess Radio Shack just doesn't cut it in this case. Thanks for your interest anyway. If you're all interested in what looped viola sounds like, you can visit my website at www.leannedarling.com. I will put my name on loopersdelight very soon as well. peace Leanne >> Greetings fellow loopers, >> >> I'm a violist that loops using a Boomerang. I'm making a concert debut >> tonight in New York for the New York Viola Society. Unfortunately, the >> power chord (AC adapter) for my Boomerang is at my sister's place in NC. >> I've tried replacing the chord with one from Radio Shack with the same >> voltage and amplitude (9VAC,300mA) but it produces a large hum out of my amp >> and nothing else. I've tried calling Boomerang, but just get their voice >> mail, tried all the NY stores who sell the 'rang but they won't sell me just >> the chord and won't let me take anything for the day, and I'm running out of >> friends to ask who might have one. >> >> If you live in th NYC area, have a Boomerang (I have the older version), and >> are willing to rent or lend the power chord or the 'rang itself for this >> evening, Monday Oct. 20, please call me ASAP - 347-451-9917. The concert >> starts at 7:30 and is on the upper west side. There is a sound check at >> 6:00pm, but am willing to skip it if I can get the equipment. I can come >> get the boomerang and return it to you tuesday morning. > > Very strange that you only get a hum. > > If nothing else works, I'd highly recommend trying the GodLyke > powersupply -- it rocks for 9V stuff. > > I'm pretty sure you can get them at First Flight Music at 174 First > Avenue at about 10th St. (call first -- sorry there's no # on their > web site!) and I'll bet they'd open the package and let you try it > out to make sure. > > If they don't have it, surely Sam Ash on 48 St. would. > > It's about $40 but it will power every 9V gadget you have, plus Line > 6 gizmos, from one plug, on 110V and 220V. > > Let us know how it went. > > /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 16:17:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KKBKF08025; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:11:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:11:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Dallas-area looping gig spam Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:11:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01c801c39746$589d3af0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com good to hear from you again, kevin. glad to see you're finally getting away from the academia for a bit. anyone in the area, be sure to check this out. you can't beat the price. i haven't heard this group, but kevin's quite the player, and a real natural at the loop thing. plus he's not joking about the strange chords... >Urban Folk > >Matt Wigton: electric & acoustic basses >Tom Luer: soprano & tenor saxophones >Kevin Brunkhorst: guitars, loops, effects >Jon Deitemyer: drums > >JJ's Pizza On The Square >118 W Oak St >Denton TX >Thurs 10/23 9-12 >no cover > >all original jazz, with elements of ECM space, >free playing, strange chords... and looping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 16:20:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KKHgK08968; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:17:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:17:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c39746$403313e0$d9661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <20031020170543.79206.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: wavelength in sync Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:10:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3970B.933D2C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3970B.933D2C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe, I think we are on the same wavelength, good one! Robin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Balestreri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: RE: new lingo; everything loops .....I really like the idea of looping speech patterns. Of course, if = you look at the appropriate time scale (frequency), everything is = looping/oscillating: spinning electrons, vibrating atoms, cells and = organisms reproducing themselves, day/night and seasonal cycles, orbits, = tides... how about conservative > liberal > conservative > liberal = politics (I really hope that one plays out!)? Fashion trends? Economic = cycles? The universe continually expanding and contracting??? That's why looping is the ultimate art form... can I get a "Hell = Yeah"? =20 Joe B ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3970B.933D2C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe, I think we are on the same = wavelength,=20 good one! Robin
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.....I really like the idea of looping speech patterns.  Of = course,=20 if you look at the appropriate time scale (frequency), everything is=20 looping/oscillating: spinning electrons, vibrating atoms, cells=20 and organisms reproducing themselves, day/night and seasonal=20 cycles, orbits, tides... how about conservative >=20 liberal > conservative > liberal politics (I really = hope that=20 one plays out!)?  Fashion trends?  Economic cycles?  = The=20 universe continually expanding and contracting???
That's why = looping is the=20 ultimate art form... can I get a "Hell Yeah"? 
 
Joe B
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3970B.933D2C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 16:54:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KKpZP15926; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:51:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Boss DD 20 - performance oriented Looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2DC90D3A-033F-11D8-B0BD-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 07:56 PM, Andre Cholmondeley wrote: > come first serve, to fellow loop-addicts. My band is Project/Object - > with > Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock and Don Preston - 3 major Zappa band I saw your band in my hometown of Chillicothe IL during the "Zappaning" festival. i thought the show kicked ass. unfortunately i'm still waiting to get paid by the promoters for my work at the show. 3 years and counting. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 17:24:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KLGOG21351; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:16:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031020211617.2562.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: kaki king? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031020001749.007e6a10@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1674598870-1066684577=:98254" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1674598870-1066684577=:98254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii glad nobody took my comment the wrong way. alls i was saying was that it's super to see a lady playing the geetar at that level, and while i have no doubt that there are plenty of female badasses, somebody's keeping them well-hidden. -jim --0-1674598870-1066684577=:98254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

glad nobody took my comment the wrong way.  alls i was saying was that it's super to see a lady playing the geetar at that level, and while i have no doubt that there are plenty of female badasses, somebody's keeping them well-hidden. 

-jim

--0-1674598870-1066684577=:98254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 17:36:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KLY4a23811; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:34:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:34:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c39750$ed712920$74681e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <20031020170543.79206.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> <002201c39746$403313e0$d9661e43@r1x5s0> Subject: Re: Y2K3 recordings Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:27:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C39716.406A7860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C39716.406A7860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been working on the recordings steadily ever since the Y2K3 = looping festival in Santa Cruz two weekends ago. I am happpy to say, = despite many technical challenges, mostly audio matters before the = signal got to me, and of course my computer's need to perform with its = own personality, that I have now isolated at least one masterpiece from = all performers! For which I feel an emotional relief and sense of awe = for everybody's varied talents and success in their contribution to the = whole festival.=20 The project is far from completed, but it has reached an important step = in its life after the event. Many thanks, and I will keep you further = posted on my progress in the eventual CD(s). Robin ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C39716.406A7860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been working on the recordings = steadily ever=20 since the Y2K3 looping festival in Santa Cruz two weekends ago. I am = happpy to=20 say, despite many technical challenges, mostly audio matters before the = signal=20 got to me, and of course my computer's need to perform with its own = personality, that I have now isolated at least one masterpiece from all=20 performers! For which I feel an emotional relief and sense of = awe for=20 everybody's varied talents and success in their contribution to the = whole=20 festival.
 
The project is far from completed, but = it has=20 reached an important step in its life after the event. Many thanks, and = I will=20 keep you further posted on my progress in the eventual CD(s).=20 Robin
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C39716.406A7860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 18:43:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9KMadD05605; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:36:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:36:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: OT: Teaching Rates Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:36:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3971F.EDAF60E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001701c39750$ed712920$74681e43@r1x5s0> Thread-Index: AcOXUgJoNyh5Qsq+RkmOjLYGESvb7wACHRjQ Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3971F.EDAF60E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What would be a good rate to charge folks for some basic guitar lessons? You can respond to me off list. Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3971F.EDAF60E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What would be a good rate to charge = folks for some basic guitar lessons?

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3971F.EDAF60E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 20 20:40:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9L0bnx17482; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:37:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:37:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: OT: Still looking for a loopy room mate Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:37:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2003 00:37:42.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[89EBC250:01C3976B] Resent-Message-ID: <4prsm.A.CRE.d_Hl_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody, I just wanted to let you know that I'm still looking for a room mate for my new place. So if you know anyone, please send them my way. I've also done all the math, and reduced the rent to $795. Here's the ad I posted before. Tell all your SF friends! Thanks! bIz --------------------------- Hey all, I'm looking for a fellow looper to join me in the 2 bedroom condo I'm moving into this month. It's going to be $825/month, in the southern part of SF - great for commuters, or if you like easy access to everywhere SF. Nice open place, with your own bathroom. Of special interest: - I'll be converting a spacious walk in closet into a vocal/recording booth. I already have a decent mic/pre signal chain. Other upgrade to be determined, though I'm pretty much free to do whatever I like with the place. - We could set up our gear in the dining room, and finally have bedrooms that weren't full of gear. - Most importantly, we'll have group motivation for both of us to stop noodling and finishing things we've started. Does this sound interesting to you, or someone you know? Here are some quick pictures: http://www.groovetronica.com/condo And a map: http://tinyurl.com/phjg I've appended my craigslist post below. Thanks! bIz ---------------------------------- About the place: Approximately 1,000 sq. ft 2 bed/2 bath condo, top floor, corner unit (windows, everywhere, neighbours only one side), cathedral ceilings (about 15'), very bright, open and clean. It has a small deck for barbecuing and plants. Washer and dryer, gas stove, nice clean fridge. The unit is only a few years old, and feels it. Street parking is plentiful - we are right near Crocker Amazon park, so there are long stretches of 'open' parking spots. The room: Bright and open, with it's own bathroom, wide windows, and a closet. The location: Crocker-Amazon, on the Geneva/Ocean Ave corridor. 1/2 a block from Crocker-Amazon and McClaren park. Less than a mile from Caltrain station, 101 and 280 freeways, the tail end of mission, groceries, City College and SF State. It's perfectly situated if you have a job in the south bay, (or downtown - Caltrain runs both ways), but, like me, still want to experience everything that the city has to offer. My daily commute to Sunnyvale is under an hour by car, when I take it. I usually take the train, which is a little longer, but more convenient. The major throughways are so close that almost any part of the city from the Sunset to SOMA are a minutes away. The east bay is just as near - you have your choice of 280 or 101, to the bay bridge so you avoid the city snarl. Me: - I work as a video producer for a high tech company in the south bay. I spend most of my free time writing music and scoring independent shorts and films. - Vegetarian, not offended by the sight of meat. - Easy going english guy. You: Calm, collected, financially stable. Mellow girls are encouraged to apply (My last set of housemates (all girls) and girlfriend can attest to my house brokenness :>) However, I'm open to all genders/ages/races/sexual persuasions - just be a fun room mate. 420 is fine, though I don't do much myself - too much going on in my life :> I'm not to keen on tobacco smoke though. Relaxed cats and dogs are very welcome - I love pets, when they are someone else's. The place is a bit small for a large dog though. Rent would be $825/month, plus your share of garbage and utilities. Move in would be first and last, plus $500 security. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 02:00:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9L5vgU23405; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:57:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031021000627.019e3510@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:06:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: OT: Still looking for a loopy room mate In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol! What about a loopy chick who's not a badass guitarist? lollollol! -of course, I bet the modeling scene is good though! lol! Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 05:33:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9L9W0K04191; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:32:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:32:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c397b5$e5560340$5f16883e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: Subject: Y2K3 - ta! Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:18:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just about got my circadian rhythm back after the loopfest in Santa Cruz. Back in blighty - the autumn is on us with avengeance - cold but clear. Just want to say what a blast it was. Great to put names to faces and music. What a nice bunch of people we loopers are! Cheers Sir Rick for getting it together and showing us some Santa Cruz hospitality. Can't wait to do it again. CD to follow. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 06:47:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LAjxB15022; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:45:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:45:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F950E63.1030105@oracle.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:45:55 +0200 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wavelength in sync References: <20031020170543.79206.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> <002201c39746$403313e0$d9661e43@r1x5s0> In-Reply-To: <002201c39746$403313e0$d9661e43@r1x5s0> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060606020402090705000808" Resent-Message-ID: <9SGW9.A.lqD.n5Ql_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060606020402090705000808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit they say that a conservative is someone who admires radicals decades after they're dead. Hell YeahaeY lleHell YeahaeY lleH gfd Robin Haas wrote: > Joe, I think we are on the same wavelength, good one! Robin > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joe Balestreri > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Monday, October 20, 2003 10:05 AM > *Subject:* RE: new lingo; everything loops > > > .....I really like the idea of looping speech patterns. Of > course, if you look at the appropriate time scale (frequency), > everything is looping/oscillating: spinning electrons, vibrating > atoms, cells and organisms reproducing themselves, day/night and > seasonal cycles, orbits, tides... how about conservative > > liberal > conservative > liberal politics (I really hope that one > plays out!)? Fashion trends? Economic cycles? The universe > continually expanding and contracting??? > That's why looping is the ultimate art form... can I get a "Hell > Yeah"? > > Joe B > --------------060606020402090705000808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit they say that a conservative is someone who admires radicals decades after they're dead.

Hell YeahaeY lleHell YeahaeY lleH

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Robin Haas wrote:
Joe, I think we are on the same wavelength, good one! Robin
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Subject: RE: new lingo; everything loops

 
.....I really like the idea of looping speech patterns.  Of course, if you look at the appropriate time scale (frequency), everything is looping/oscillating: spinning electrons, vibrating atoms, cells and organisms reproducing themselves, day/night and seasonal cycles, orbits, tides... how about conservative > liberal > conservative > liberal politics (I really hope that one plays out!)?  Fashion trends?  Economic cycles?  The universe continually expanding and contracting???
That's why looping is the ultimate art form... can I get a "Hell Yeah"? 
 
Joe B
--------------060606020402090705000808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 10:21:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LECmx19906; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:12:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:12:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1066745564!3902632 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B57@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL4 with a mind of its own Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:07:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C397DC.B1E9E180" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C397DC.B1E9E180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>After anywhere from 30 seconds to a couple of minutes of playing, the box will give off the characteristic "someone-just-grabbed-the-Delay-Time-knob-and-gave-it-a-twist" sound and the tap tempo will set itself to a different tempo. The Tempo LED will flash in time with this new tempo and the LED above the active footswitch will blink to show that the preset has been tweaked but not saved. I can't be positive, but I'm pretty sure that the tempo to which it changes on its own is the same tempo each time.<< possibly the delay pot or the associated a>d converter. have you ever used the expression pedal socket? just a thought... erm- this item on e-bay looks interesting- anyone know anything about 'em? 2566435694 d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C397DC.B1E9E180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DL4 with a mind of its own

>>After anywhere from 30 seconds to a couple of min= utes of playing, the box
will give off the characteristic
"someone-just-grabbed-the-Delay-Time-knob-and-gave-= it-a-twist" sound and the
tap tempo will set itself to a different tempo. The Temp= o LED will flash in
time with this new tempo and the LED above the active fo= otswitch will blink
to show that the preset has been tweaked but not saved. = I can't be positive,
but I'm pretty sure that the tempo to which it changes o= n its own is the
same tempo each time.<<

possibly the delay pot or the associated a>d converter= . have you ever used the expression pedal socket? just a thought...<= /P>

erm- this item on e-bay looks interesting- anyone know an= ything about 'em? 2566435694

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C397DC.B1E9E180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 10:43:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LEcQM24036; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:38:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:38:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Duncan Spotted a Rare Bird Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533B57@LON-MAIL07> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2566435694 Gary Lehmann PS Never seen this one! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 11:18:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LFFBn31090; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:15:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:15:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c397e6$bad79a30$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: technique described Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:19:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I wanted to share a technique that I've been developing for looping live spoken word. It involves myself, my buddy Aaron, and a poet named Skip Fox, and a looping rig. The rig is primarily comprised of a Digitech RDS 3.6 Rack Delay, an Electrix Filter Factory, and an Electrix Repeater, plus an 8 channel mixer and some secondary effects like verbs and mic preamps and such. I would like to make particular note of one of the pieces of gear. The RDS 3.6 is an old 80's rack unit which basically encompasses all of the time based effects including delay, as well as flange, chorus, something called "double" and it has a "hold" button which provides up to 3.6 seconds of loop. It's old 12-bit tech but the sound is quite warm. The thing that it offers, that no modern unit seems to, is a smooth delay time control knob. When a loop is on "hold" you can not only turn the delay knob to produce very smooth pitch changes (I mean, not a single click), but you can switch up to flange and chorus and produce a rich tunable saw wave. I know that it is a contradiction in terms but the people who have heard this effect describe the unit as being very "analogue-ish". Most of the people here know what a Repeater does, but I'll just mention that it is a 4 track looping device with a lot of other features. The Filter Factory is an analogue filtering device with the usual suspects like low, band and high pass and different oscillator choices. I think that the only really specifically needed unit would be the RDS 3.6 or maybe it's big brother the 6.2. I'm sure software based multi track loopers would be fine and filter boxes are everywhere. The technique is comprised of the following series of processes. Skip begins to read, the signal is split and one signal feeds a dry channel on the mixer and the other feeds into the RDS 3.6, which I control. I choose a word or phrase to "hold" and start the loop. In a way that is perceptible and apparent to the audience, I tune the captured signal up and down, then after I am sure that it is obvious to the listener what is happening, I modify the signal beyond recognition. As per the description of the RDS, I can make not only low garbled bass pulses and chipmunk sounds, I can create tunable tones and stutters. The delay signal feeds into the Filter Factory and there I can further sculpt the sound, creating nice "Moog-ish" tones or buzzy bleeps and scratches. I enable the filter only part of the time allowing for the dry delay loop to be extensively featured. The filter out is split, one out to the mixer the other to the Repeater which is operated by Aaron. During the my performed modification of the RDS, Aaron is catching loops and remixing them, tuning them, time stretching them, creating rhythms from stutters and generally modifying the hell out of every thing. The Repeater then feeds into the mixer. What results is a multi-timbral, orchestrated sound bed where I create low, mid, and high frequency signals which Aaron then places in context with each other on different channels. The really exciting thing is that Skip has been reading the whole time and is by now responding to the tempo and mood of the sound Aaron and I have created, which in turn makes capture that much more interesting. There is no "feedback at 100%" and the whole thing is constantly changing and moving. A couple of notes about performance: Usually after Aaron captures my modified output, I "de-morph" the signal in a manner that is obvious and pronounced to the listener till the original loop is apparent, then I kill the "hold" and catch something else. Skips original voice is on it's own channel and is always distinct and audible with the rest of the sound back behind it. I also have a separate track for my mods. The point is to insure that the listener can hear the transition, so that it is obvious that the whole raging mess is coming out of Skips live voice, before their very ears. The experience is incredibly jazzy and the improvisation and artist interaction is beyond anything that I have ever experienced in a looping project. It's like live spoken word remix. It is a very performance oriented project and we have to rehearse and practice our "instruments". We are going to do a show in early November and I'm going to bring my DAT, I'll put a sample up on my page then and I'll probably come begging for feedback. I'd enjoy comments now, even. Getting Loopier, Lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 11:57:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LFmJf04849; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:48:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:48:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C397FB.409507C0@dyn-81-166-196-43.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: technique described Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:36:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C397FB.409E2F80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C397FB.409E2F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it sounds quite strange and I cannot wait until you have some sample of the result somewhere on the web, so that I can = listen to it,=20 and figure more clearly what it really sounds like. Please, if you do have some samples, don't let us wait until November = ... Francois -----Message d'origine----- De: Lance Chance [SMTP:lrc8918@louisiana.edu] Date: mardi 21 octobre 2003 17:20 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: technique described Hi all, I wanted to share a technique that I've been developing for looping live spoken word. It involves myself, my buddy Aaron, and a poet named = Skip Fox, and a looping rig. The rig is primarily comprised of a Digitech = RDS 3.6 Rack Delay, an Electrix Filter Factory, and an Electrix Repeater, = plus an 8 channel mixer and some secondary effects like verbs and mic preamps = and such. I would like to make particular note of one of the pieces of gear. The = RDS 3.6 is an old 80's rack unit which basically encompasses all of the time based effects including delay, as well as flange, chorus, something = called "double" and it has a "hold" button which provides up to 3.6 seconds of loop. It's old 12-bit tech but the sound is quite warm. The thing = that it offers, that no modern unit seems to, is a smooth delay time control knob. When a loop is on "hold" you can not only turn the delay knob to produce very smooth pitch changes (I mean, not a single click), but you = can switch up to flange and chorus and produce a rich tunable saw wave. I = know that it is a contradiction in terms but the people who have heard this effect describe the unit as being very "analogue-ish". Most of the = people here know what a Repeater does, but I'll just mention that it is a 4 = track looping device with a lot of other features. The Filter Factory is an analogue filtering device with the usual suspects like low, band and = high pass and different oscillator choices. I think that the only really specifically needed unit would be the RDS 3.6 or maybe it's big brother = the 6.2. I'm sure software based multi track loopers would be fine and = filter boxes are everywhere. The technique is comprised of the following series of processes. Skip begins to read, the signal is split and one signal feeds a dry channel = on the mixer and the other feeds into the RDS 3.6, which I control. I = choose a word or phrase to "hold" and start the loop. In a way that is = perceptible and apparent to the audience, I tune the captured signal up and down, = then after I am sure that it is obvious to the listener what is happening, I modify the signal beyond recognition. As per the description of the = RDS, I can make not only low garbled bass pulses and chipmunk sounds, I can = create tunable tones and stutters. The delay signal feeds into the Filter = Factory and there I can further sculpt the sound, creating nice "Moog-ish" tones = or buzzy bleeps and scratches. I enable the filter only part of the time allowing for the dry delay loop to be extensively featured. The = filter out is split, one out to the mixer the other to the Repeater which is operated by Aaron. During the my performed modification of the RDS, = Aaron is catching loops and remixing them, tuning them, time stretching them, creating rhythms from stutters and generally modifying the hell out of = every thing. The Repeater then feeds into the mixer. What results is a multi-timbral, orchestrated sound bed where I create low, mid, and high frequency signals which Aaron then places in context with each other on different channels. The really exciting thing is that Skip has been reading the whole time and is by now responding to the tempo and mood of = the sound Aaron and I have created, which in turn makes capture that much = more interesting. There is no "feedback at 100%" and the whole thing is constantly changing and moving. A couple of notes about performance: Usually after Aaron captures my modified output, I "de-morph" the signal in a manner that is obvious and pronounced to the listener till the original loop is apparent, then I = kill the "hold" and catch something else. Skips original voice is on it's = own channel and is always distinct and audible with the rest of the sound = back behind it. I also have a separate track for my mods. The point is to insure that the listener can hear the transition, so that it is obvious = that the whole raging mess is coming out of Skips live voice, before their = very ears. The experience is incredibly jazzy and the improvisation and = artist interaction is beyond anything that I have ever experienced in a looping project. It's like live spoken word remix. It is a very performance oriented project and we have to rehearse and practice our "instruments". We are going to do a show in early = November and I'm going to bring my DAT, I'll put a sample up on my page then and = I'll probably come begging for feedback. I'd enjoy comments now, even. 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=_NextPart_000_01C397FB.409E2F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 12:14:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LG9jG11252; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:09:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031021160944.91140.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: new lingo To: loopers-delight In-Reply-To: <001201c39724$81f6fc50$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But given that our minds seem inclined toward repetition, I don't understand the theory behind this. Yes, there will be a -temporary- disruption in your patterns, and certainly the opportunity to change the patterns you "always play", but I would expect that over time you'll develop patterns in the new tuning in the same sort of way that you did under the old tuning. I can see some advantage in replacing the "old stale patterns", in the interest of sounding more original, since many old patterns were learned from others (thus perpetuating certain things) and/or are picked up since they're easy to play in standard tuning. I don't remember anything in the GC material that I've read that would really prevent the development of patterns (new or old), only the attempt to replace older ones. It seems to me that the GC Primary exercises are specifically designed to establish patterns within the player's "basic repertoire". Or am I missing something very basic to all this? Greg --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Actually, following Fripp's guitar craft (and other) writings, this trying > to avoid musical "phrases de toutes les jours" was the main reason for the > creation of the new standard tuning for guitar. > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Greenstein [mailto:paul@ubiq.co.uk] > > Sent: Montag, 20. Oktober 2003 17:32 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: new lingo > > > > > > Perhaps there is a musical analogue to this - improvising musicians > > often tend to unconsciously fall back on repetitive patterns (nothing > > to do with looping), which are 'tried and tested' i.e. confortable > > idioms, riffs, chord structures etc. I would suggest that this is the > > musical equivalent of verbal filler - phrases like 'now what I mean', > > and another one which I've noticed recently in UK 'yeh, no' > > preceding a > > statement... > > > > I went to see Robert Fripp play at the Purcell Rooms in London a few > > years back. He was playing for free in the foyer, so I went > > for 2 days > > running. The thing that hit me most was that he managed to almost > > completely avoid the standard riffing and cliche that is so much part > > of a musicians language. He did start playing what could loosely be > > called a standard 'guitar solo' over one loop, but it was a momentary > > lapse. It takes a lot of discipline to avoid this kind of > > stuff, both > > verbally and musically. > > > > Paul > > > > > > On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 04:07 pm, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/20/03 2:26:10 AM, spgoodman@earthlight.net > > > writes: > > > > > > << Anyway! Ya know what I'm sayin'? Okay. >> > > > > > > In a way, these are like loops eh? A word like ok or anyway after > > > every other > > > sentence would be sort of like a "glitch" loop. > > > Rhythmic iterative patterns perform a linking function that > > are part > > > of an > > > individual's sense of flow. Partly it may be a fear of using > > > pause/silence for > > > emphasis, so the repeated words are there for continuity and > > > sustaining the > > > thought constructs as well as "holding the floor". > > > > > > There is an artist who is using software to remove language from > > > speech so > > > that you can hear what is between the words : sighs, > > clicks, rumbles > > > etc. These > > > also appear in repetitive looping patterns. I don't have > > the url handy > > > but it > > > is called Language Removal Services and there are audio clips, a > > > search at > > > www.npr.org or google should bring it up. > > > > > > BobC > > > > > > visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > > > > > > > > > > > > The Thumb Piano Project > > > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > > > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > > > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 13:11:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LG40W10160; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:04:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:04:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:07:17 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP for sale From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200310211518.h9LFIjB32014@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_5EsYC.A.leC.wjVl_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there -- I've got an extra EDP and would like to sell it -- it's got up to date loop 4 software -- also have a pedal which i've fitted up with extra sturdy metal buttons that don't break as easily as the regular ones -- not sure about price, actually would appreciate some feedback from you guys about what's fair -- cheers -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 13:58:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LHoPu10360; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:50:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:50:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c397fc$6a7c7540$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <01C397FB.409507C0@dyn-81-166-196-43.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Re: technique described Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:54:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, we practice tomorrow and thursday. maybe i'll have some presentable material by friday. i have to admit, i'm sort of anxious to see how you guys respond to it, and it might be nice to have some informed feedback before we actually bring it out on stage. i'll see how it goes. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francois LEBRUN" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:36 AM Subject: RE: technique described it sounds quite strange and I cannot wait until you have some sample of the result somewhere on the web, so that I can listen to it, and figure more clearly what it really sounds like. Please, if you do have some samples, don't let us wait until November ... Francois -----Message d'origine----- De: Lance Chance [SMTP:lrc8918@louisiana.edu] Date: mardi 21 octobre 2003 17:20 Ŕ: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: technique described Hi all, I wanted to share a technique that I've been developing for looping live spoken word. It involves myself, my buddy Aaron, and a poet named Skip Fox, and a looping rig. The rig is primarily comprised of a Digitech RDS 3.6 Rack Delay, an Electrix Filter Factory, and an Electrix Repeater, plus an 8 channel mixer and some secondary effects like verbs and mic preamps and such. I would like to make particular note of one of the pieces of gear. The RDS 3.6 is an old 80's rack unit which basically encompasses all of the time based effects including delay, as well as flange, chorus, something called "double" and it has a "hold" button which provides up to 3.6 seconds of loop. It's old 12-bit tech but the sound is quite warm. The thing that it offers, that no modern unit seems to, is a smooth delay time control knob. When a loop is on "hold" you can not only turn the delay knob to produce very smooth pitch changes (I mean, not a single click), but you can switch up to flange and chorus and produce a rich tunable saw wave. I know that it is a contradiction in terms but the people who have heard this effect describe the unit as being very "analogue-ish". Most of the people here know what a Repeater does, but I'll just mention that it is a 4 track looping device with a lot of other features. The Filter Factory is an analogue filtering device with the usual suspects like low, band and high pass and different oscillator choices. I think that the only really specifically needed unit would be the RDS 3.6 or maybe it's big brother the 6.2. I'm sure software based multi track loopers would be fine and filter boxes are everywhere. The technique is comprised of the following series of processes. Skip begins to read, the signal is split and one signal feeds a dry channel on the mixer and the other feeds into the RDS 3.6, which I control. I choose a word or phrase to "hold" and start the loop. In a way that is perceptible and apparent to the audience, I tune the captured signal up and down, then after I am sure that it is obvious to the listener what is happening, I modify the signal beyond recognition. As per the description of the RDS, I can make not only low garbled bass pulses and chipmunk sounds, I can create tunable tones and stutters. The delay signal feeds into the Filter Factory and there I can further sculpt the sound, creating nice "Moog-ish" tones or buzzy bleeps and scratches. I enable the filter only part of the time allowing for the dry delay loop to be extensively featured. The filter out is split, one out to the mixer the other to the Repeater which is operated by Aaron. During the my performed modification of the RDS, Aaron is catching loops and remixing them, tuning them, time stretching them, creating rhythms from stutters and generally modifying the hell out of every thing. The Repeater then feeds into the mixer. What results is a multi-timbral, orchestrated sound bed where I create low, mid, and high frequency signals which Aaron then places in context with each other on different channels. The really exciting thing is that Skip has been reading the whole time and is by now responding to the tempo and mood of the sound Aaron and I have created, which in turn makes capture that much more interesting. There is no "feedback at 100%" and the whole thing is constantly changing and moving. A couple of notes about performance: Usually after Aaron captures my modified output, I "de-morph" the signal in a manner that is obvious and pronounced to the listener till the original loop is apparent, then I kill the "hold" and catch something else. Skips original voice is on it's own channel and is always distinct and audible with the rest of the sound back behind it. I also have a separate track for my mods. The point is to insure that the listener can hear the transition, so that it is obvious that the whole raging mess is coming out of Skips live voice, before their very ears. The experience is incredibly jazzy and the improvisation and artist interaction is beyond anything that I have ever experienced in a looping project. It's like live spoken word remix. It is a very performance oriented project and we have to rehearse and practice our "instruments". We are going to do a show in early November and I'm going to bring my DAT, I'll put a sample up on my page then and I'll probably come begging for feedback. I'd enjoy comments now, even. Getting Loopier, Lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 16:37:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LKYjg31026; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014f01c39812$5d7cd040$c6e75cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:31:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did you leave off the "re" prefix or was that "a" supposed to be a "u"? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Makoviney" > tard > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Koff [mailto:chriskoff@comcast.net] > Subject: unsubscribe > unsubscribe Chris, please visit: http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html Where it says: ================ To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. ================ Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 18:10:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LM5qc23918; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:05:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:05:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: OT: Live electronica at the Morrison Planetarium and Ambient Airlines store. Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:05:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2003 22:05:45.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A4339A0:01C3981F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live electronic gig this weekend: The dub-beautiful collective and interchill are putting this on, so you know it's going to be good. Ishq is flying in from England for this event. The show at Ambient Airlines is FREE. The show at the Morrison Planetarium is not to be missed... bIz Links: http://www.dub-beautiful.com http://www.interchill.com The promos: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- :: ishq lands at ambient airlines' ground terminal :: ambient airlines is hosting ISHQ this saturday, oct.25 at their new record store in San Francisco for a pre-opening listening party! ishq will be playing a live set from 4-5pm. come by and get a taste of what's to come the next day when ishq plays the planetarium... also, enjoy refreshments, you can purchase cds from ambient airlines' stellar stock, and buy discounted ishq planetarium tickets! also, i'm sure we can convince proprietor chris morin [dj curium] to hit us with some of his spaced out downtempo stylings on the decks. definitely check this out. there is a free happening - no cover. ambient airlines is located at 324 Fell St. at Gough in San Francisco [Hayes Valley neighborhood] and online at http://www.ambientairlines.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 21 18:14:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9LM9sH24809; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:09:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:09:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Spoken Word technique described (Lance Chance) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:09:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501c397fc$6a7c7540$69894682@lance> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- Richard Zvonar used to/still performs in a music ensemble that includes spoken word--it would be interesting to hear his POV-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 00:54:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9M4qtS12464; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031022045248.53396.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Duncan Spotted a Rare Bird To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's some more info for those interested.. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/dimension12/D12.html John --- Relay wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2566435694 > Gary Lehmann > PS Never seen this one! > G > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 02:36:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9M6YPd23058; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.17.204] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Y2K3 and thoughts on "community" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:34:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2003 06:34:18.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[84E433E0:01C39866] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopsters; So now it has been a week since the Y2K3 Festival was held in Santa Cruz (tell me, someone, is Santa Cruz still the looping capital of the world?), yet I have read only but a few posts on the matter……wassup? I was one of the performers, and so my take on the whole shebang might be a bit skewed but I am interested to hear what anyone else who attended thought. I must say how impressed I was on the quality of the performances. It seems that since the Loopstock Festival of a couple of years ago the general level of performance quality has made (a few) quantum leaps. This most recent event, it seems that everyone played very well; the level of creativity and skills were very,very high. There were, of course, several performances which were exemplary, such as the sets by Bill Walker, Gareth Whittock, Ted Killian, and Amy X Neuberg. Prior to this event there was quite a debate here on the list as to the necessity of “Looping Festivals”, the title/genre/style of “Live Looping” and whether or not we are just being a tad pretentious in discussing looping as an “art form”, or in discussing this list as a “community”. There are certainly members of this list who hold these thoughts as noble truths and others who perhaps take some exception to them. I am not sure that looping constitutes a true "form", yet it is a technique, both of composition and performance, which transcends stylistic barriers. As such, it deeply affects the "style" which it is imposed on, often times elevating, or at very least, transforming and altering the genre-specific and stylistic definitions. In other words, it allows us to disavow or disallow a currently accepted paradigm. Does this give birth to new "art forms", or does it merely evolve existing forms? And does any of that really matter? It does something...it changes how we hear music. If we can accept the fact that looping is a "new" technique of both composition and performance, and there -fore rather unique, we can surmise that this technique(s) when applied to current musical techniques of both performance and composition, or style and genre, changes and alters the predetermined outcome of those. Loops applied to dance tracks forever changed the way dance music was produced. Loops applied to rock music have again altered the somewhat tangent-ized evolution of that genre. Looping "festivals" do not merely support music of loops..whatever that means (perhaps neo-ambient-post-fripp-noodlings?)....but give a platform for all styles and genres (and sub-styles and sub-genres) of music to embrace, and use, the techniques of looping, and thusly evolve beyond their current, and sometimes static, state of being. This was the point behind my "smooth jazz" piece (which is a composed piece, and thus involves very little improvisation): to show how looping can be applied to all sorts of music. (cut to ad banner: "Looping....it's not just for weirdos anymore") Is the term “Looping Festival” pretentious? Perhaps, yet it does give the press, in all of its’ guises, some morsel to bite on. Rick Walker hit on something quite true in as if you hype your act, show, event as something larger than life it becomes something of interest to the media. Barker-ism? Madison Ave. exploitation? You betcha, but in the music biz that is a tried and true method of manipulating and teasing the media (and thusly attracting a least a small percentage of “new” audience). And...Y2K3 ceratinly demonstrated the very far reaching possibilities of looping. The varied and most creative talents displayed possibilities for inducing loops into nearly every sub-set of music style and fashion. A great deal of wind has blown across LD about how we (all us loopists) would really like more companies to develop more, and deeper, hardware, and software, for looping applications. The only way big companies are going to that is if they see a public interest in this, from which profits can be made. As with all artistic "movements" , it begins with a small groundswell, usually made by the artists themselves (the cubists, Dadaists...heck even jazz musicians..who give aid and support to each other, and thus a forum from which the public can view/hear their works). The general public is fairly fickle and usually led around by their proverbial noses, but once something is placed in front of them enough times, they are willing to taste it. There is where these events are important to the looping community.....increases public awareness of this technology and these artistic techniques, which ARE changing the way music is made. Eons of our musical history are not marked by centuries, but rather by important changes made by musicians and composers in how they craft and use sound, rhythm, melody and harmony. Using loops, and in some of the very creative ways demonstrated at Y2K3, surely points to a new perception in all those elements. The more this is brought to the public's nose (eye or ears) the more aware we all become (This includes other musicians), and more possible the profits seem which can be generated by some company with designs of the much ballyhooed "Super Looper". I am bringing these thoughts to your attention partly in support of Rick’s efforts and partly to support and encourage others to do the same....’cos it is important. As I said, I am not sure it really constitutes and art form, or even and artistic movement (yet), but looping is changing how music is both composed and performed; which in and of itself is an event of historic proportions. Yet, being as it is quite technologically dependent, that "movement", of we are all part....even those who completely eschew the concept of "live-looping" and really want nothing to do with it, yet continue to explore uncharted sonic terrain via looping........could be easily squashed due to a lack of fiscal profitability. Let’s face it, kids, we can bellyache and rant all we want about lack of features, desired features of hardware, techniques and tricks, signal paths and setups..or how hard it is to get a gig doing loops (personally I don’t have this problem and gig out at least 10 times a month….doing looping!…and make pretty good $ doing it, too), or how the public is not aware of music made in this manner, yet, it is imperative that we all support each other. It is through out mutual support, admiration, and inspiration that we, looping artists, grow with our skills and craft. Kim has given us a great gift in this list, and without trying he has really given birth to this whole notion of “community”. He has alolowed us to share openly, our ideas, concepts and questions…….and even our most petty bickering….without fear or shame (a tip of the ol’ hat to you, Mr. Flint). One notion I was struck with at Y2K3, as I slept on Bill W’s floor and shared (tainted) food with a whole gaggle of other loopers, or conversed, re-kindled friendships and made new ones, was that this IS a community. A diverse, creative, colorful, sometimes competitive, sometimes arguing (yet always caring)…community. No matter how divergent our musics are, we share a common bond, and through that we continue to help and support each other…and view the artistic growth of each member of this community. I think all the performers at Y2K3 shared this feeling…….what about the rest of you? And…finally…….a big round of applause to Rick Walker, who spent countless hours organizing this event (and a bunch of previous ones too!) His energy, dedication, fortitude, conviction and creativity are an enormous source of inspiration to me. Max _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 06:47:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9MAhXe21991; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:43:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:43:22 +0100 Subject: London looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8E8849E4-047C-11D8-B086-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there's anyone out there doing live looping in the London area - or perhaps someone with knowledge of London venues that might be open to this kind of performance? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 07:22:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9MBITF04396; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:18:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:18:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: David.Malkinson@charlesrussell.co.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-29.tower-19.messagelabs.com!1066821506!4650414 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=charlesrussell.co.uk,-,- X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: London looping Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:17:58 +0100 Message-ID: <411AF19041D96445ABE16DE875A56A777D50A9@nflexch1.ad.cr-law.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: London looping Thread-Index: AcOYia54d0Jm309+T9iM4S06aVa5nwABGFJQ From: "David Malkinson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9MBISo04371 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could try klinker in Stoke Newingon - experimental night. What sorta thing is it you're doing? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Greenstein [mailto:paul@ubiq.co.uk] Sent: 22 October 2003 11:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: London looping Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there's anyone out there doing live looping in the London area - or perhaps someone with knowledge of London venues that might be open to this kind of performance? ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an email from Charles Russell Solicitors. 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For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 07:29:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9MBMVt05934; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:22:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:20:48 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Guitar Craft (was new lingo) To: Greg House , loopers-delight Message-id: <003201c3988e$9a669d20$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20031021160944.91140.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would expect that over time you'll develop patterns in the new tuning in the same > sort of way that you did under the old tuning. My own reading of Guitar Craft is that (among other things) it attempts to establish "conscious" patterns rather than "unconscious" ones. Part of the approach is to shock the participant into a new state by removing familiar signposts, such as the standard tuning one might be used to. Even if one returns to familiar ground (and I have a fond memory of rediscovering the 7#9 chord in the new tuning), one is informed by a collective approach (from close examination of technique and exercise to how one contributes to the household) which leads to a fresh use of that material. A lick becomes a tool rather than a ball and chain. And the new tuning discourages mindless blues/rock-based wanking for sure. > It seems to me that the GC Primary exercises are specifically designed to > establish patterns within the player's "basic repertoire". I'd say the exercises - often a re-presentation of already available exercises - establish conscious patterns of technique, not musical content. But hey, cats'n'kittens, this is rather off topic. Does anyone know where ELSE one might DISCUSS Guitar Craft issues? I know of the diaries and the King Crimson sites, but the Old Fripperoo seems to discourage any back-and-forth discussion without his control. Off list please, e-mail me privately. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C39892.88739830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 11:56:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9MFpo511227; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:51:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:51:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F96A78B.5090105@oracle.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:51:39 +0200 From: George Demarest Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K3 and thoughts on "community" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I can weigh in on this (Y2K3) I share your surprise that not more has been written. I think more than one person was overwhelmed with so much happening in one weekend. Also, some may, like me, feel guilty that they couldn't see more of the performers to write about (in my case, I was madly working on my stuff so that I could put in a good showing during my set). So, here are some comments: No two alike I heard it said over and over, and although I didn't see as many acts as I would have liked, literally everyone I saw had a unique and personal approach to the music (perhaps making Max's argument about a "technique" rather than a "style"). I was very gratified to see a lot of personality coming out of even the shyest performers. The fact that we all deal with the thrill of victory and the agony of the footswitch provides a certain shared common point of view that is nicely offset by the quirky personalities that drive these boxes. From the hilarious to the strangely beautiful to the deeply troubled, the bits don't lie. People would love it I think we all would have liked to have seen more people come out to hear (not just loopers). For many reasons, even with the hurculean efforts of RickWalker, people stayed home in front of the TV. However, two non-looping- initiated friends of mine *loved* it! Damn, people would love this if they'd come out and see it. An age old problem for musicmakers (especially on the fringes). Don't apologize or "bear with me" people have to cut themselves some slack. Numerous performers were pretty harsh on themselves ("loopers, i am not worthy!" "I'm not a musician" and "bear with me") for no good reason. While I'm sure many felt pressure performing in front of their peers (for me one of the hardest things to do), it's a basic rule of performance to smile through the glitches (and pretend, for the moment they were intended). I think that showing up and making even the most modest music is worthy of respect from the audience. So, I would say, play your set, take a bow, and sit down. Then tell people about your glitches and that you're not worthy when you're having beers afterward. So, bravo to all who had the will to make music in a tough environment, take a bow. [clap clap clap] Oh yeah, Brian Kenny Fresno was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time and a fine musician underneath it all. I would name some others, but then you'd figure out all of the good stuff I missed chasing the gremlins out of my machines. heave heart, and loop ye merry gentlefolk, gfd max valentino wrote: > > Fellow Loopsters; > > So now it has been a week since the Y2K3 Festival was held in Santa > Cruz (tell me, someone, is Santa Cruz still the looping capital of the > world?), yet I have read only but a few posts on the matter……wassup? > [much deleted] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 13:28:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9MHKO413654; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:20:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:20:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: OT: Still looking for a loopy room mate Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:20:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031021000627.019e3510@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2003 17:20:17.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[C39C77A0:01C398C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That would work too... I have no idea what the modeling scene is like - I haven't played with trains or scale models since I was a kid :> Jon -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Still looking for a loopy room mate lol! What about a loopy chick who's not a badass guitarist? lollollol! -of course, I bet the modeling scene is good though! lol! Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 13:51:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9MHkVP22310; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.11e2e025.2cc81c62@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:46:10 EDT Subject: Re: Re:Y2K3 and thoughts on "community" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9MHkUo22279 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max (and everybody else), In a message dated 10/21/03 11:34:50 PM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: >So now it has been a week since the Y2K3 Festival was held in Santa Cruz >(tell me, someone, is Santa Cruz still the looping capital of the world?), >yet I have read only but a few posts on the matter……wassup? Well, life kicks back into gear . . . with a vengeance sometimes. . . after taking 4 days off to essentially drop out of the normal, "real" world existence to become immersed in "loopworld" it takes a little time to recover (like having jet-lag or a severe hangover) and "catch up" with the work-a-day space-time continuum. I imagine it's the same, no less, for Rick . . . perhaps even more intense . . . since he LIVES in "loopworld" more than most of the rest of us mere mortals). He's not posted in days either. What can I say . . . Santa Cruz rocks (if only because the Walker Brothers live there)! Credit where credit is due, if Rick lived in Des Moines I bet it'd be touted similarly in this very same forum . . . don't ya think? [snip] >. . . this IS a community. A diverse, creative, colorful, sometimes >competitive, sometimes arguing (yet always caring) . . . community. YES IT IS! Some may dismiss our group efforts/events as being little more than cultish, insular, self-serving, mass ego-stroking . . . perhaps with a tiny grain of truth to . . . but the generally positive feeling of true mutual support, camaraderie, esprit de corps, and the demonstrated attitude of selfless service to others (especially exhibited by Y2K3's Dictator 'n' Chief, Rick walker) is really hard to escape. Never, ever have I seen musicians (and more than their fair share of them being guitar soloists) get along so darn well. NOT that everything went totally smoothly. There were technical glitches, performer drop outs, no-shows and other difficulties to deal with. We all had our share. But, despite it all, I think we're all getting better at what we do (or at least getting better at dealing with things when they don't happen as expected). [snip] >There were, of course, several performances which were exemplary, >such as the sets by Bill Walker, Gareth Whittock, Ted Killian, and >Amy X Neuberg. Geeze Louise! My name is the last one that should be grouped with those talented folks! But I guess you can fool some folks some of the time. Evidently I fooled you. Or, more likely, you are also being very kind (too kind, and more than a little charitable). To that all too short of a list of worthies I'd like to add: Max Valentino -- It's rather stupid to call this guy just a "bassist." His music is "whole" and "complete" . . . he's a musician. I loved the instrumental Peter Gabriel cover at the end of your set too. Wow! I already have you CD. I'd have bought another if you'd make one. James Sidlo -- I already DUG Honey Barbara going in. He got a totally bitchin bunch of tones, loops and ambiences going with just a Dano baritone and a few pedals. Impressive is a total understatement. I hope we hear more from this guy. Thanks for the CDs James! Michael Klobuchar -- If I could do what he does with the "retro" (Chet Atkins) meets "future" (Astroboy) schtick, I'd be doing it too. Totally musical, totally fun and the most relaxed performer of any of us (my impression). What a pleasure. Can I be you when I grow up? Thanks for the "Klutter" CD! John Whooley -- Total showman/entertainer. Voice, sax, keys, loops (hip-mounted DL-4s) whatever he touches is great music and (more often as not) funny as hell (tied with BKF as funniest looper in the universe). Bought the CD last year. Gary Regina -- He had Rick and I singing impromptu vocal harmonies back in the back of the venue (next to the swag/concession/CD table). Musically infectious. I bought the CD. A total talent. Impressive soloing on parallel/simultaneous twin saxophones too. George Demarest -- A great concert/festival closer. Great, great musician, fine trumpet player (world class) and a passionate, emotional performer. Do a CD George and I'll buy it! Brian Kenney Fresno -- Another one of those "total performers" (dontcha just hate 'em) and quite possibly the funniest looper in the universe. The CD I bought doesn't nearly do him justice. Rick Walker -- Several (it seemed like a lot) of his impromptu sets (where he filled in for missing acts or those experiencing technical and/or "muse" difficulties) were absolutely stellar and the one that he was scheduled to play was a wonder of rhythmic creativity and invention. And I HAVE to say . . . your contributions to the others whose sets you graced was always PERFECT . . . especially when you played with guitarist James Sidlo. I am having difficulty pointing out too many "standouts" cause there were SO MANY. I might just as well repeat the performance schedule. I shall refrain from that . . . but there are some others I feel SHOULD be mentioned . . . and in no particular order: Mark Hamburg -- one of the smallest guitar rigs but the biggest. most abstract and CHALLENGING ambient sound of the weekend. Andre Custodio -- most heroic performance under adversity (being miserably ill at the time) playing "difficult music" on a homemade percussion instrument. Wally Schnalle -- A seriously impressive and very jazzy drummer. He's a whole fusion band just on his own . . . and more. Wayne Jackson -- I'll never look at a child's electronic toy the same way again. Wow! I hope I am able to check out Woodstockhausen next year. A very creative guy. Metaman (Joe Balestreri) -- Proving, without a doubt, that realtime "live looping" of acoustic instruments on a laptop is here NOW! If there was a latency problem, I never noticed it. A masterful looper and musician on several instruments. I would have loved to hear him play his horn (trumpet) more in fact. Stanitarium (Stan Card) -- Big guy, big "surf" sound, easily the loudest set of any weekend . . . hands down! And, at the peak of the storm he created, he also played some of the most sensitive and melodic passages of the whole fest. Do a CD Stan!!! Get ol' Jim Thomas to help (if need be). But you need to document what you ar doing! Matt Davignon -- "This ain't no party, this ain't no disco" who says DJs can't make SERIOUS music? I bought the CDs . . . enough said. Jon Wagner -- A great percussionist (who I'd be begging to play with if I lived within a hundred miles of the guy). Scott Drengsen -- Extraordinary, ambient fretless bassist (he and mark Hamburg should get together). How do you get those chords on a fretless instrument man? Incredible. Michael (Miko B.) Biffle -- He had the near impossible task of following Brian Kenney Fresno and gave it his very best. I was just getting into what Miko was up to when he abruptly stopped (all too soon in my opinion). I can't say I would've done differently. But, his music was standing up on it's own. He was seriously underestimating himself (I think). I know I am missing a few folk here. Please don't feel slighted. There are too many of you . . . and I'm running out of adjectives already. Oh and thanks to Stage Manager Matty (?) for all of the help and to Robin Haas for recording all of that mess. Well, I better cut this off now. I could go on and on . . . but no one would read a LD "War and Peace" epic would they? Thanks again Max for reminding us/me to write some sort of commentary about the weekend before too much more time had elapsed. Many thanks to Rick for putting on a great show! It was a great chance to see/hear some really talented folk (an for some looping newbies and beginners to try their wings). I think we all showed a lot of growth, improvement and grace under fire. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 14:04:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9MHvTm26344; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.4a0ec9f2.2cc81ef7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:57:11 EDT Subject: Re: London looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9MHvSo26318 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm, In a message dated 10/22/03 3:44:16 AM, paul@ubiq.co.uk writes: >Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there's >anyone out there doing live looping in the London area . . . Well, you might check out LDer Steve Lawson's website at: http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk/home.htm He's always gigging about over there (according to his blog . . . which I occasionally read). He's a great musician, looper, bassist, snappy dresser . . . and one heck of a nice guy too. Check it out. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 22 21:09:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N13ss11192; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:59:11 +0000 Subject: Re: London looping From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3149719151_149826_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3149719151_149826_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm in London, looping up loads of bass live, a duo with (a bit loopy) perc/drum person. I want to get some kind of looping festival going for next year or maybe sooner if my life calms down to a frenzy. Two venues in mind. Do contact me and let me know you're there so I can keep you posted. best jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: London looping Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 10:43 am Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there's anyone out there doing live looping in the London area - or perhaps someone with knowledge of London venues that might be open to this kind of performance? --MS_Mac_OE_3149719151_149826_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: London looping I'm in London, looping up loads of bass live, a duo with (a bit loopy) perc= /drum person.
I want to get some kind of looping festival going for next year or maybe so= oner if my life calms down to a frenzy. Two venues in mind.

Do contact me and let me know you're there so I can keep you posted.

best

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122


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From: Paul Greenstein <paul@ubiq.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: London looping
Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 10:43 am


Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there= 's anyone
out there doing live looping in the London area - or perhaps someone
with knowledge of London venues that might be open to this kind of
performance?





--MS_Mac_OE_3149719151_149826_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 00:19:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N4Gkp17414; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:16:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Y2K3 and thoughts on "community" From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f0.11e2e025.2cc81c62@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/22/03 10:46 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com at ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Mark Hamburg -- one of the smallest guitar rigs but the biggest. > most abstract and CHALLENGING ambient sound of the weekend. Hmm. Now I really want to hear the recordings. I come out of these events with relatively little sense for what I played. Given what I think I played at Loopstock 2003 (I need to hear the recordings there too), I think 2003 is proving to be the "year of density" for me. And as for reviews, Ted's set burned. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 00:41:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N4a4G20765; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:36:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:36:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031022224448.019e7950@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:44:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Guitar Craft (was new lingo) In-Reply-To: <003201c3988e$9a669d20$1912be18@oemcomputer> References: <20031021160944.91140.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, feel free to discuss this sort of thing at The Guitar Cafe as well, if you'd like. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe *shameless plug* -from the shameless one herself! lol! Have a wonderful night All... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 00:54:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N4oTr22996; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:50:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:50:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:59:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: OT: Still looking for a loopy room mate In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20031021000627.019e3510@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cute, and well said! lol! -Actually, maybe I should use some of that sort of thing in my next shoot and forego the body paint idea I'm currently composing! lol! ACtually though, to keep this even somewhat on topic, one of the photogs I've worked with and I, are planning on doing a shoot accenting the musical idea so how might some go about incorporating the idea of loops into a visual presentation with a model? -to convey the idea of sound or music of course? -just curious for people's thoughts. I certainly have some ideas of my own, but am always open to new ones. -and, in a way, we've sort of discussed this at times anyway, when trying to come up with visual ideas for loop shirts and such, but this time it would be with a living person as part of the art. Cute response, and have a great night All... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 01:00:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N4tmu23532; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:55:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F975F52.4030607@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:55:46 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Stills looking loopy References: <3.0.5.32.20031021000627.019e3510@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would think that time lapse photographs with a strobe would give you a nice visual analogy. Kevin Goddess wrote: > ACtually though, to keep this even somewhat on topic, one of the photogs > I've worked with and I, are planning on doing a shoot accenting the musical > idea so how might some go about incorporating the idea of loops into a > visual presentation with a model? -to convey the idea of sound or music of > course? -just curious for people's thoughts. -- How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 01:01:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N4t0H23439; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:55:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:55:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.17.249] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Y2K3 and thoughts on "community" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:54:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2003 04:54:53.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC3D5D50:01C39921] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted.... Who is being kind now? Thank you so very much. Actually yours was the first set I caught when I blew into town, and, in all honesty, I was genuinely impressed by your "texturized mayhem" form of guitar wrangling.....it was truely impressive. You probably hadn't the time to notice, as your hands were quite busy at the time, but from the audience perspective you create a pressence that is quite in "the zone" (I do hope Mark H. gort some pics of you in that zone....) For my own set I really strived to present something which was quite different from what others were doing. Scott Drengsen, Michael K. and I had a debate over who had the smallest rig ( and I guess Mark Hamburg could fit into this competition, also). I went for my set "sans" effects (save for "Mercy Street" where I did use a tempo sync'd delay and 'verb..but it is a friggin Peter Gabriel song, after all). SO, most of my set was bass into Raven Labs preamp to a JamMan...and that's it! I tried to present "tunes", most of which were composed pieces and not improvisations, of varied styles(even that smooth jazz number) inwhich looping was incorporated into the structure of the tune (and hence doing a cover tune as well). I was not, and still am not, all that concerned with treating and processing either my sound or the loops, but rather working with the loops to an integral and interactive component of the composition and performance as opposed to being something which is played to. Actually it has been quite "liberating" and inspiring to free myself from MIDI, effects processing and such.....not to mention after witnessing yourself and Bill Walker do your things, I am a bit intimidated to even try again. Max BTW...a new CD is in the works............ >From: ArsOcarina@aol.com > >Max Valentino -- It's rather stupid to call this guy just a "bassist." >His music is "whole" and "complete" . . . he's a musician. I loved >the instrumental Peter Gabriel cover at the end of your set too. >Wow! I already have you CD. I'd have bought another if you'd >make one. > _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 01:32:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N5Fh527564; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:15:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:15:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031022232430.019e8d50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:24:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: OT: Stills looking loopy In-Reply-To: <3F975F52.4030607@minds-eye.org> References: <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031021000627.019e3510@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow!, now there's some good thinkin! I'm sure he'd be into it, and I most certainly would. This could be really very cool with some interesting dance and figure art-esque posing cyclically with over exposure as well. woohoo! -good idea, keep em' comin' if the spirit moves, K? Some of this perhaps could even be used in some sort of promo capacity if people like it. Thank you, in all seriousness... Smiles, Cara P.S. WE'll even credit you with the ideas. -thanks... --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 02:40:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N6VtW05669; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:31:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F977703.9050504@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:36:51 -0700 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I'm # 6 References: <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031021000627.019e3510@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022232430.019e8d50@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thrilled to announce that Backroads Music http://www.backroadsmusic.com has named my last CD "mourning guests who never arrive" one of the best "Spacemusic" CDs for 2003.I'm the only non-keyboardist in the top 10.(alongside Steve Roach,Ashera,John Serrie, Jeff Greinke) and the only bassist on the list.Pretty cool for a guy with a fretless bass and some loopers... Thanks for listening,peace, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 02:42:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N6cAc06295; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:38:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:38:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F97787B.9040107@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:43:07 -0700 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K3 References: <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031021000627.019e3510@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022232430.019e8d50@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really looking forward to the CD.I think the variety and the musicality within this group is far beyond the tools we're using.What we have more in common is imagination.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 04:38:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9N8VF121889; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:31:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:31:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <194.2048aa5a.2cc8ebc8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:31:04 EDT Subject: Re: London looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there's anyone > out there doing live looping in the London area - or perhaps someone > with knowledge of London venues that might be open to this kind of > performance? Steve Lawson and Theo Travis are both active. Steve's on the list.(....somewhere) ..but live loops don't seem to be London centered andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 08:56:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NCoCU26991; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:50:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <.208.199.128.2.1066913407.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <3F97787B.9040107@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031021000627.019e3510@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022232430.019e8d50@pop.earthlink.net> <3F97787B.9040107@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Y2K3 From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jade.liquidweb.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott said: > I'm really looking forward to the CD.I think the variety and the > musicality within this group is far beyond the tools we're using.What we > have more in common is imagination.... Wow. That's one of the nicest sentiments i've seen here in a long time--and so true! It's what i've witnessed too, especially when working on loop festivals in the Boston area. There can be such a variety in genre, sonic style, &c.--but folks who've gotten themselves into looping almost as a rule tend to be so adventurous. -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 09:50:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NDghw04506; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:42:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F97DA71.DF66A87C@pixar.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:41:05 -0700 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I'm # 6 References: <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031021000627.019e3510@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022225913.019e9100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20031022232430.019e8d50@pop.earthlink.net> <3F977703.9050504@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9pGNNC.A.TGB.Tr9l_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've been playing this CD in 'heavy rotation' in my van since picking it up at Bansuri Spring last month, and can only agree with their assessment. Nice work! -Alex S. Scott Kungha Drengsen wrote: > > I'm thrilled to announce that Backroads Music > http://www.backroadsmusic.com has named my last CD "mourning guests who > never arrive" one of the best "Spacemusic" CDs for 2003.I'm the only > non-keyboardist in the top 10.(alongside Steve Roach,Ashera,John Serrie, > Jeff Greinke) and the only bassist on the list.Pretty cool for a guy > with a fretless bass and some loopers... > Thanks for listening,peace, > Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 11:19:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NF9ls20063; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:09:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Y2K3 and thoughts on "community" From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/22/03 9:54 PM, max valentino at ekstasis1@hotmail.com wrote: > Scott Drengsen, Michael K. and I had > a debate over who had the smallest rig ( and I guess Mark Hamburg could fit > into this competition, also) My rig was small for the night of the looping guitarists but nowhere near the smallest for the entire event. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 12:22:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NGCSt31138; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.22] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Still looking for a loopy room mate Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:12:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2003 16:12:22.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[70989FA0:01C39980] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, Im doing Fine Art Ba Hons degre in England at the moment Im looping whole rooms, Im looking at the possibliltys of repetition+mutation as a way of keeping themeatic elements (in theis case lets say an office table in one room can be configured the same as a mantle piece in another) whist changing the tone/mood ect of the room by its implyed use. Hmmmm sorry cant really remeber where i as going with this, i just left my desk to get a cup of tea. grrr oh well, hope that was enllightening. Shine on Phillxx are planning on doing a shoot accenting the musical >idea so how might some go about incorporating the idea of loops into a >visual presentation with a model? -to convey the idea of sound or music of >course? -just curious for people's thoughts. I certainly have some >ideas of my own, but am always open to new ones. -and, in a way, we've >sort of discussed this at times anyway, when trying to come up with visual >ideas for loop shirts and such, but this time it would be with a living >person as part of the art. > Cute response, and have a great night All... > >Smiles, > >Cara > > > > >--- > > View my online portfolio at: >http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 > -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 12:50:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NGe0S04068; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:40:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new lingo Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:39:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2003 16:39:54.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[49808C80:01C39984] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all just a random post here. last week i finally stumped up the cash for an echoplex, this is the machine that ve been gagging and drooling over for about a year and a half solid. in order to accomodate my new toy, i prepared a lilt place in my floor space for the controller. as i moved stuff around i decided (im easily distracted) to just plug into my Digitech X series with its 5sec delay time. WADDAYAKNOW,,,,,half an hour later i emerged from the most fully openminded improvised loop sesh that i have managed to do for ages. I cant belive how fun it was, i just layed some taps and drones then soloed over them, then reduced the feedbacl for a bit of walking/changing pattern bofore getting down with a dirty groove. made me really question what u can do with even the most basic tools Phill _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 12:58:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NGl5205376; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:47:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:47:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "looper @ jump/cut" To: Cc: Subject: Bassloop Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:51:08 -0700 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcOZMhLWnXqN26h7Qdawg9JLdE+21wAU2NRQ In-Reply-To: <3F97787B.9040107@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20031023115878.SM02420@kinesys1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the Bassloop CD project going forward? Just wondered since I haven't heard much news since it was first mentioned in June. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 13:03:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NGtXC07630; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:55:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:55:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Digitech X Delay and Kaoss MIDI in Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:55:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Snip> Digitech X series with its 5sec delay time. WADDAYAKNOW,,,,,half an hour later i emerged from the most fully openminded improvised loop sesh that i have managed to do for ages. I cant belive how fun it was, i just layed some taps and drones then soloed over them, then reduced the feedbacl for a bit of walking/changing pattern bofore getting down with a dirty groove. made me really question what u can do with even the most basic tools Phill ***Yeah, this tool is WAAAY worth $99--better if you can control the knobs while standing (figured out the master volume fade!) BTW, the Kaoss II Pad MIDI in does not allow you to trigger the sample button, so not a great MIDI looper. But perhaps I should take these two to the local Starbucks? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 14:20:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NI9kx24596; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:09:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:59:40 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: Stills looking loopy To: Goddess , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006001c39990$d7086da0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.5.32.20031022232430.019e8d50@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember a photo shoot the Rolling Stones did. They waved torches in the air on a beach at night, with the camera's shutter held open. Then the photographer did a flash to "freeze" their image. The result: waves of fire hanging in the air, with the Stones standing around. Cool image. You could do the same and maybe draw an "infinity" symbol in the air...? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 14:35:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NIT5j27299; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:29:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:29:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: OT: Stills looking loopy Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:28:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031022232430.019e8d50@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2003 18:28:59.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[8662F3E0:01C39993] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One word: Worth1000 Http://www.worth1000.com -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Stills looking loopy Wow!, now there's some good thinkin! I'm sure he'd be into it, and I most certainly would. This could be really very cool with some interesting dance and figure art-esque posing cyclically with over exposure as well. woohoo! -good idea, keep em' comin' if the spirit moves, K? Some of this perhaps could even be used in some sort of promo capacity if people like it. Thank you, in all seriousness... Smiles, Cara P.S. WE'll even credit you with the ideas. -thanks... --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 15:01:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NIsp430983; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:54:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:54:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c39996$2a603c80$72681e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:47:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3995B.7D8D6D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3995B.7D8D6D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My email was down for the last 3 days, so if anyone sent me something = and it came back, please resend it and it will work now. 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My email was down for the last 3 days, = so if anyone=20 sent me something and it came back, please resend it and it will work = now.=20 Thanks, Robin
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3995B.7D8D6D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 15:05:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NJ0MA00768; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031023190016.18293.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Repeater Power supplies are shipping! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200310231703.h9NH3rJ10102@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This just in from Peter Toms at Condor Electronics... << Hi all - just a note to let you know that the Repeater power supplies are now shipping. It's a robust version of IVL's unit, much heavier output capability, slightly larger physically as well. These should answer well for the long term Repeater outlook. The price is $98.50 and shipping will be $7 anywhere in the US. For payment we accept Visa, MC or Paypal to ptoms@drizzle.com. You can call the phone number below to talk to a human. Thanks very much for everyone's patience with this project, it's been a long time coming. best regards, Peter Toms Condor Electronics Seattle WA 98103 206 633 5190 206 633 0803 fax __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 15:30:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NJN7204455; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:23:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:23:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031023192305.44286.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003f01c39996$2a603c80$72681e43@r1x5s0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1154143844-1066936985=:43322" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1154143844-1066936985=:43322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aha! I was wondering about that. I wrote to tell you that I have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any sort of finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy to send you a CD of it. Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of me, too... Thanks, Joe Balestreri Robin Haas wrote: My email was down for the last 3 days, so if anyone sent me something and it came back, please resend it and it will work now. Thanks, Robin _______________ www.metaman.us --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1154143844-1066936985=:43322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Aha!  I was wondering about that.  I wrote to tell you that I have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any sort of finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy to send you a CD of it.  Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of me, too...
Thanks,
Joe Balestreri

Robin Haas <rob@robinhaas.com> wrote:
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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1154143844-1066936985=:43322-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 16:13:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NK7Dd13756; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c399a0$00634a30$dbbd97c8@newshit> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: Subject: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:50:17 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C8_01C398FF.A09B4A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C8_01C398FF.A09B4A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: London loopingGIBSON'S DIGITAL GUITAR=20 The electric guitar, which has used the same electronic technology = for over seventy years, has finally plugged into the digital world, = using NetworkSound real time digital solutions over standard Ethernet. = Driven by the Ethernet-based technological advances made by NetworkSound = in San Jose, CA, in collaboration with Gibson Labs, the Gibson Digital = Guitar opens a new era for stringed instrument amplification. The new = technology, which Gibson plans to install on all its electric guitars, = features Gibson's MaGIC connectivity protocol and a sophisticated new = pickup capable of isolating the vibrations of each individual string. In = order to prevent loose Ethernet jacks and disconnections, Barani = Subbiah, Founder and CEO of NetworkSound, knew he needed to outfit the = guitar with Neutrik's ultra-reliable EtherCon RJ-45 connector.=20 Utilizing the MaGIC protocol developed by Gibson Labs, the guitar = company's technology division, NetworkSound was able to send 32 mono = channels or 16 stereo channels in each direction over a single CAT-5 = cable. "What you could conceivably do with this guitar is quite = incredible," states Subbiah. "After running out of the Ethernet port and = into the 8-output Breakout Box, you can then use split mode to assign = each of the six strings to a different amplifier. However, this = technology just wouldn't be practical if you had frequent drops in your = connections and cables, so we had to go with the tight-locking and = rock-solid Neutrik EtherCon RJ-45. You could jump around on stage all = day and not lose your connection."=20 A genuine Gibson guitar that is 100% compatible with all existing = equipment, the world's first digital guitar employs Gibson's patented = HEX pickup, which senses up-and-down motions and side-to-side motions, = and can detect and isolate the vibrations of each individual string. By = combining this revolutionary pickup with the MaGIC protocol and Breakout = Box, NetworkSound was able attain a 32-channel throughput without having = numerous extra connections and cables on the guitar itself.=20 The EtherCon Series' rugged RJ-45 style connectors were designed = with audio and video stage technology, DMX systems and harsh = environments in mind. The EtherCon Series offers both male cable = carriers and assembled female receptacles. The cable end offers a robust = die-cast shell as a carrier for pre-assembled RJ-45 plugs.=20 NetworkSound, which produced the electronics, real-time digital = audio transport and control solutions for the Gibson Digital Guitar, = provides a very cost-effective, high-quality, Ethernet-based audio = distribution solution for the pro-audio market. Given the company's = advanced technology and the broad range of applications, NetworkSound = also uses the EtherCon connectors in mixers, amplifiers, high-end = speakers, home theater systems, and stage boxes. "We are also currently = working on a mixer with a similar philosophy using the Neutrik EtherCon = connectors," continues Subbiah. "It has two ports: Audio-In and = Audio-Out. This way we can replace the bulky, cumbersome analog snakes = with a single CAT-5 cable. It is amazing to see the back panel of a = mixer with no cables attached."=20 =20 http://www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/031020/7.shtml?nl267 ------=_NextPart_000_02C8_01C398FF.A09B4A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: London looping
GIBSON'S=20 DIGITAL GUITAR=20

The electric guitar, which has used the same electronic = technology for=20 over seventy years, has finally plugged into the digital world, = using=20 NetworkSound real time digital solutions over standard Ethernet. = Driven by=20 the Ethernet-based technological advances made by NetworkSound in = San=20 Jose, CA, in collaboration with Gibson Labs, the Gibson Digital = Guitar=20 opens a new era for stringed instrument amplification. The new = technology,=20 which Gibson plans to install on all its electric guitars, = features=20 Gibson's MaGIC connectivity protocol and a sophisticated new = pickup=20 capable of isolating the vibrations of each individual string. In = order to=20 prevent loose Ethernet jacks and disconnections, Barani Subbiah, = Founder=20 and CEO of NetworkSound, knew he needed to outfit the guitar with=20 Neutrik's ultra-reliable EtherCon RJ-45 connector.=20

Utilizing the MaGIC protocol developed by Gibson Labs, the = guitar=20 company's technology division, NetworkSound was able to send 32 = mono=20 channels or 16 stereo channels in each direction over a single = CAT-5=20 cable. "What you could conceivably do with this guitar is quite=20 incredible," states Subbiah. "After running out of the Ethernet = port and=20 into the 8-output Breakout Box, you can then use split mode to = assign each=20 of the six strings to a different amplifier. However, this = technology just=20 wouldn't be practical if you had frequent drops in your = connections and=20 cables, so we had to go with the tight-locking and rock-solid = Neutrik=20 EtherCon RJ-45. You could jump around on stage all day and not = lose your=20 connection."=20

A genuine Gibson guitar that is 100% compatible with all = existing=20 equipment, the world's first digital guitar employs Gibson's = patented HEX=20 pickup, which senses up-and-down motions and side-to-side motions, = and can=20 detect and isolate the vibrations of each individual string. By = combining=20 this revolutionary pickup with the MaGIC protocol and Breakout = Box,=20 NetworkSound was able attain a 32-channel throughput without = having=20 numerous extra connections and cables on the guitar itself.=20

The EtherCon Series' rugged RJ-45 style connectors were = designed with=20 audio and video stage technology, DMX systems and harsh = environments in=20 mind. The EtherCon Series offers both male cable carriers and = assembled=20 female receptacles. The cable end offers a robust die-cast shell = as a=20 carrier for pre-assembled RJ-45 plugs.=20

NetworkSound, which produced the electronics, real-time digital = audio=20 transport and control solutions for the Gibson Digital Guitar, = provides a=20 very cost-effective, high-quality, Ethernet-based audio = distribution=20 solution for the pro-audio market. Given the company's advanced = technology=20 and the broad range of applications, NetworkSound also uses the = EtherCon=20 connectors in mixers, amplifiers, high-end speakers, home theater = systems,=20 and stage boxes. "We are also currently working on a mixer with a = similar=20 philosophy using the Neutrik EtherCon connectors," continues = Subbiah. "It=20 has two ports: Audio-In and Audio-Out. This way we can replace the = bulky,=20 cumbersome analog snakes with a single CAT-5 cable. It is amazing = to see=20 the back panel of a mixer with no cables attached."=20

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------=_NextPart_000_02C8_01C398FF.A09B4A80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 16:29:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NKHp515551; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:17:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:17:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c399a1$c0d0ce40$5a681e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <20031023192305.44286.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:10:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C39967.13DAE660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <6QJDr.A.0yD.udDm_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C39967.13DAE660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe, I had room mics for your piece, but they were optimized for the = main stage and you were on the second stage. With your piece, I was able = to use a mix of all four channels, the room mics and the board's two = channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I do not think you will = have much room to complain about the results, which I think I can be = called stirring. It is from the end of your set.=20 When I am at that point, I will have to send everyone their completed = mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, for their approval. That = will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but necessary part of the = process. I hope that is just in several more weeks. Robin=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Balestreri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Aha! I was wondering about that. I wrote to tell you that I have an = room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any sort of = finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy to = send you a CD of it. Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of me, = too... Thanks, Joe Balestreri Robin Haas wrote: My email was down for the last 3 days, so if anyone sent me = something and it came back, please resend it and it will work now. = Thanks, Robin _______________ www.metaman.us -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C39967.13DAE660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe, I had room mics for your piece, = but they were=20 optimized for the main stage and you were on the second stage. With your = piece,=20 I was able to use a mix of all four channels, the room mics and the = board's two=20 channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I do not think you will = have=20 much room to complain about the results, which I think I can be called = stirring.=20 It is from the end of your set.
 
When I am at that point, I will have to = send=20 everyone their completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, = for=20 their approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but = necessary=20 part of the process. I hope that is just in several more weeks.=20 Robin 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe = Balestreri
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003 12:23=20 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, = etc

Aha!  I was wondering about that.  I wrote to tell you = that I=20 have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any = sort of=20 finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy to = send you=20 a CD of it.  Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of me,=20 too...
Thanks,
Joe Balestreri

Robin Haas <rob@robinhaas.com> = wrote:
My email was down for the last 3 = days, so if=20 anyone sent me something and it came back, please resend it and it = will work=20 now. Thanks, Robin


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The=20 New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product=20 search ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C39967.13DAE660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 16:42:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NKYHI18718; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:34:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:34:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031023203416.1241.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Balestreri Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c399a1$c0d0ce40$5a681e43@r1x5s0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1400764109-1066941256=:489" Resent-Message-ID: <_gbFgD.A.YkE.JtDm_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1400764109-1066941256=:489 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cool, yeah, uh, groovy baby! I'm sure you got plenty of trumpet in your mix, then... Thanks again, JB Robin Haas wrote: Joe, I had room mics for your piece, but they were optimized for the main stage and you were on the second stage. With your piece, I was able to use a mix of all four channels, the room mics and the board's two channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I do not think you will have much room to complain about the results, which I think I can be called stirring. It is from the end of your set. When I am at that point, I will have to send everyone their completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, for their approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but necessary part of the process. I hope that is just in several more weeks. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Balestreri To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Aha! I was wondering about that. I wrote to tell you that I have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any sort of finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy to send you a CD of it. Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of me, too... Thanks, Joe Balestreri Robin Haas wrote: My email was down for the last 3 days, so if anyone sent me something and it came back, please resend it and it will work now. Thanks, Robin _______________ www.metaman.us --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search _______________ www.metaman.us --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1400764109-1066941256=:489 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Cool, yeah, uh, groovy baby!  I'm sure you got plenty of trumpet in your mix, then...
Thanks again,
JB

Robin Haas <rob@robinhaas.com> wrote:
Joe, I had room mics for your piece, but they were optimized for the main stage and you were on the second stage. With your piece, I was able to use a mix of all four channels, the room mics and the board's two channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I do not think you will have much room to complain about the results, which I think I can be called stirring. It is from the end of your set.
 
When I am at that point, I will have to send everyone their completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, for their approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but necessary part of the process. I hope that is just in several more weeks. Robin 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc

Aha!  I was wondering about that.  I wrote to tell you that I have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any sort of finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy to send you a CD of it.  Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of me, too...
Thanks,
Joe Balestreri

Robin Haas <rob@robinhaas.com> wrote:
My email was down for the last 3 days, so if anyone sent me something and it came back, please resend it and it will work now. Thanks, Robin


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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1400764109-1066941256=:489-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 16:47:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NJf5507484; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.11c62812.2cc98897@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:40:07 EDT Subject: Re: I'm # 6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e8.11c62812.2cc98897_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e8.11c62812.2cc98897_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/23/03 2:32:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kungha@earthlink.net writes: > Backroads Music > http://www.backroadsmusic.com has named my last CD "mourning guests who > never arrive" one of the best "Spacemusic" CDs for 2003 scott.....most cool.....michael --part1_1e8.11c62812.2cc98897_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/23/= 03 2:32:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kungha@earthlink.net writes:


Backroads Music   http://www.backroadsmusic.com  has named my last CD "mourning guests wh= o
never arrive" one of the best  "Spacemusic"  CDs for 2003

scott.....most cool.....michael --part1_1e8.11c62812.2cc98897_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 18:02:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NLsAU04069; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c399af$36c4cea0$92671e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <20031023203416.1241.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc and mics Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:47:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C39974.89F07880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C39974.89F07880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For a while there I thought you were in my room with your horn! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Balestreri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Cool, yeah, uh, groovy baby! I'm sure you got plenty of trumpet in = your mix, then... Thanks again, JB Robin Haas wrote: Joe, I had room mics for your piece, but they were optimized for the = main stage and you were on the second stage. With your piece, I was able = to use a mix of all four channels, the room mics and the board's two = channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I do not think you will = have much room to complain about the results, which I think I can be = called stirring. It is from the end of your set.=20 When I am at that point, I will have to send everyone their = completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, for their = approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but necessary = part of the process. I hope that is just in several more weeks. Robin=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Balestreri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Aha! I was wondering about that. I wrote to tell you that I have = an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any sort of = finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy to = send you a CD of it. Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of me, = too... Thanks, Joe Balestreri Robin Haas wrote: My email was down for the last 3 days, so if anyone sent me = something and it came back, please resend it and it will work now. = Thanks, Robin _______________ www.metaman.us -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search _______________ www.metaman.us -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C39974.89F07880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For a while there I thought you were = in my=20 room with your horn!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe = Balestreri
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003 1:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, = etc

Cool, yeah, uh, groovy baby!  I'm sure you got plenty of = trumpet in=20 your mix, then...
Thanks again,
JB

Robin Haas <rob@robinhaas.com> = wrote:
Joe, I had room mics for your = piece, but they=20 were optimized for the main stage and you were on the second stage. = With=20 your piece, I was able to use a mix of all four channels, the room = mics and=20 the board's two channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I = do not=20 think you will have much room to complain about the results, which I = think I=20 can be called stirring. It is from the end of your set. =
 
When I am at that point, I will = have to send=20 everyone their completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 = compilation, for=20 their approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit costly, = but=20 necessary part of the process. I hope that is just in several more = weeks.=20 Robin 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Joe=20 Balestreri
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003=20 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, = Y2K3,=20 etc

Aha!  I was wondering about that.  I wrote to tell = you that=20 I have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me = on any=20 sort of finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd = be happy=20 to send you a CD of it.  Regardless, I'd like to get your = recording=20 of me, too...
Thanks,
Joe Balestreri

Robin Haas <rob@robinhaas.com>=20 wrote:
My email was down for the last = 3 days, so=20 if anyone sent me something and it came back, please resend it = and it=20 will work now. Thanks, Robin


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The=20 New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product=20 search ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C39974.89F07880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 19:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9NN8gQ25157; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:08:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:08:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Y2K3, Robin Haas Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:08:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2003 23:08:36.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[9676A2F0:01C399BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robin Haas done wrote: >When I am at that point, I will have to send everyone their completed >mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, for their approval. That >will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but necessary part of the process. >I hope that is just in several more weeks. Robin If you have access to a website, it might be less costly to just post them as mp3's. Probably just as time-consuming though. As for me, you can just assume I approve. I trust your ear for sound quality. It'd be good to hear it sometime...but I can wait for the cd to come out. Joe Balestreri done wrote: >I'm sure you got plenty of trumpet in your mix, then... Yeah, a buttload of trumpet! (No, I haven't heard it, I just wanted to say that.) Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 20:30:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O0BxI12146; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:11:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <152.25c8557a.2cc9c843@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:11:47 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K3, Robin Haas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_152.25c8557a.2cc9c843_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_152.25c8557a.2cc9c843_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/23/03 7:09:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > As for me, you can just > assume I approve. I trust your ear for sound quality likewise here robin.....michael k --part1_152.25c8557a.2cc9c843_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/23/= 03 7:09:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


As for me, you can just
assume I approve. I trust your ear for sound quality


likewise here robin.....michael k --part1_152.25c8557a.2cc9c843_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 20:34:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O0RhY15594; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:27:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:27:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c399c5$9f1eaaa0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20031023192305.44286.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c399a1$c0d0ce40$5a681e43@r1x5s0> Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:27:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3999B.AF61AAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-aVd1C.A.hzD._HHm_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3999B.AF61AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can I just say... that I can't wait to hear this! I'll pay you gents = good $$ to finally hear some live, live-looping from this line up. More = direct inspiration, on tap. I assume there's a plan to sell this, and get the artists and Robin = their fair share of the cash? I don't ask in a malicious way... just = that I'm curious what the plan is? Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robin Haas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Joe, I had room mics for your piece, but they were optimized for the = main stage and you were on the second stage. With your piece, I was able = to use a mix of all four channels, the room mics and the board's two = channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I do not think you will = have much room to complain about the results, which I think I can be = called stirring. It is from the end of your set.=20 When I am at that point, I will have to send everyone their completed = mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, for their approval. That = will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but necessary part of the = process. I hope that is just in several more weeks. Robin=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Balestreri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Aha! I was wondering about that. I wrote to tell you that I have = an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any sort of = finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy to = send you a CD of it. Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of me, = too... Thanks, Joe Balestreri Robin Haas wrote: My email was down for the last 3 days, so if anyone sent me = something and it came back, please resend it and it will work now. = Thanks, Robin _______________ www.metaman.us -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3999B.AF61AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can I just say... that I can't wait to = hear=20 this!  I'll pay you gents good $$ to finally hear some live, = live-looping=20 from this line up.  More direct inspiration, on tap.
 
I assume there's a plan to sell this, = and get the=20 artists and Robin their fair share of the cash?  I don't ask in a = malicious=20 way... just that I'm curious what the plan is?
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Robin = Haas=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003 3:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, = etc

Joe, I had room mics for your piece, = but they=20 were optimized for the main stage and you were on the second stage. = With your=20 piece, I was able to use a mix of all four channels, the room mics and = the=20 board's two channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I do not = think=20 you will have much room to complain about the results, which I think I = can be=20 called stirring. It is from the end of your set.
 
When I am at that point, I will have = to send=20 everyone their completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 = compilation, for=20 their approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but=20 necessary part of the process. I hope that is just in several more = weeks.=20 Robin 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Balestreri
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003 12:23=20 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, = Y2K3,=20 etc

Aha!  I was wondering about that.  I wrote to tell = you that I=20 have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on = any sort=20 of finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy = to send=20 you a CD of it.  Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of = me,=20 too...
Thanks,
Joe Balestreri

Robin Haas <rob@robinhaas.com>=20 wrote:
My email was down for the last 3 = days, so if=20 anyone sent me something and it came back, please resend it and it = will=20 work now. Thanks, Robin


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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C3999B.AF61AAE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 21:20:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O1BtJ25598; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:11:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:11:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c399ca$d57ba6c0$dd661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <20031023192305.44286.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c399a1$c0d0ce40$5a681e43@r1x5s0> <006701c399c5$9f1eaaa0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:04:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C39990.28874580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <9tksTC.A.zPG.bxHm_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C39990.28874580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, there is a plan to market it on my own website of Santa Cruz = things, which I am now building (it is offline at the moment), a portion = toward the next Y2K3 festival, and Rick could put it on his website as = well for sale. And Rick and I could also send it around to some extent = to interested places, such as stations which play such music. But I am a = start up, not with a big bang to do anything costly. My main intent, = aside from taking on a challenge that interests me, and perhaps make a = little money (hey, maybe I could then buy more recording equipment (I = bet loopers can relate to that thought!!), is to help promote those who = are on the CD(s) by its presence. It will be found in searches by those = interested in such music, and they can look further to the individual = musician's websites or place they sell their solo CDs, with the links I = will put up. It could bring some sales to each musician. One reason to = get the selections approved by each participant.=20 I would eventually like a few paragraphs from each participating = musician, after they hear their selection, describing there music, their = interest in using looping and other technology in making music (and = other sounds). And, as I said, how they can be reached for further = inquiries. Also, just a few sentences for the CD booklet. The CD project could hop to a bigger venue, but lets finish it and just = enjoy it at the moment. That is a whole other matter.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Can I just say... that I can't wait to hear this! I'll pay you gents = good $$ to finally hear some live, live-looping from this line up. More = direct inspiration, on tap. I assume there's a plan to sell this, and get the artists and Robin = their fair share of the cash? I don't ask in a malicious way... just = that I'm curious what the plan is? Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robin Haas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Joe, I had room mics for your piece, but they were optimized for the = main stage and you were on the second stage. With your piece, I was able = to use a mix of all four channels, the room mics and the board's two = channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I do not think you will = have much room to complain about the results, which I think I can be = called stirring. It is from the end of your set.=20 When I am at that point, I will have to send everyone their = completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, for their = approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but necessary = part of the process. I hope that is just in several more weeks. Robin=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Balestreri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Aha! I was wondering about that. I wrote to tell you that I have = an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any sort of = finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be happy to = send you a CD of it. Regardless, I'd like to get your recording of me, = too... Thanks, Joe Balestreri Robin Haas wrote: My email was down for the last 3 days, so if anyone sent me = something and it came back, please resend it and it will work now. = Thanks, Robin _______________ www.metaman.us -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C39990.28874580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, there is a plan to market it on my = own website=20 of Santa Cruz things, which I am now building (it is offline at the = moment), a portion toward the next Y2K3 festival, and Rick could put it = on his=20 website as well for sale. And Rick and I could also send it around to = some=20 extent to interested places, such as stations which play such = music. But I=20 am a start up, not with a big bang to do anything costly. My main = intent, aside=20 from taking on a challenge that interests me, and perhaps make a little = money=20 (hey, maybe I could then buy more recording equipment (I bet loopers can = relate=20 to that thought!!), is to help promote those who are on the CD(s) by its = presence. It will be found in searches by those interested in such = music, and=20 they can look further to the individual musician's websites or place = they sell=20 their solo CDs, with the links I will put up. It could bring some sales = to each=20 musician. One reason to get the selections approved by each = participant.=20
 
I would eventually like a few = paragraphs from each=20 participating musician, after they hear their selection, describing = there music,=20 their interest in using looping and other technology in making music = (and other=20 sounds). And, as I said, how they can be reached for further=20 inquiries. Also, just a few sentences for the CD = booklet.
 
The CD project could hop to a bigger = venue, but=20 lets finish it and just enjoy it at the moment. That is a whole other = matter.=20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Doug = Cox
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003 5:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, = etc

Can I just say... that I can't wait = to hear=20 this!  I'll pay you gents good $$ to finally hear some live, = live-looping=20 from this line up.  More direct inspiration, on tap.
 
I assume there's a plan to sell this, = and get the=20 artists and Robin their fair share of the cash?  I don't ask in a = malicious way... just that I'm curious what the plan is?
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Robin = Haas=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003 3:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, = Y2K3,=20 etc

Joe, I had room mics for your = piece, but they=20 were optimized for the main stage and you were on the second stage. = With=20 your piece, I was able to use a mix of all four channels, the room = mics and=20 the board's two channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I = do not=20 think you will have much room to complain about the results, which I = think I=20 can be called stirring. It is from the end of your set. =
 
When I am at that point, I will = have to send=20 everyone their completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 = compilation, for=20 their approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit costly, = but=20 necessary part of the process. I hope that is just in several more = weeks.=20 Robin 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Joe=20 Balestreri
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003=20 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, = Y2K3,=20 etc

Aha!  I was wondering about that.  I wrote to tell = you that=20 I have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me = on any=20 sort of finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd = be happy=20 to send you a CD of it.  Regardless, I'd like to get your = recording=20 of me, too...
Thanks,
Joe Balestreri

Robin Haas <rob@robinhaas.com>=20 wrote:
My email was down for the last = 3 days, so=20 if anyone sent me something and it came back, please resend it = and it=20 will work now. Thanks, Robin


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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C39990.28874580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 21:22:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O1FJX26414; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:15:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:15:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: RE: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:15:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01C39991.9A7B10D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <000701c399a0$00634a30$dbbd97c8@newshit> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2003 01:15:13.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[46B4AD90:01C399CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C39991.9A7B10D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is old news, and never went anywhere. I don't think I'm all that enthused with the idea of Gibson-built A/D converters - especially ones built small enough to stuff into a guitar along with an ethernet card. I can't imagine what they intend to charge for this, either. You can already buy a Roland hex pickup breakout box, and plug the six outputs into the A/D unit of your choice. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Julio Moreno [mailto:ciego@ig.com.br] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT GIBSON'S DIGITAL GUITAR The electric guitar, which has used the same electronic technology for over seventy years, has finally plugged into the digital world, using NetworkSound real time digital solutions over standard Ethernet. Driven by the Ethernet-based technological advances made by NetworkSound in San Jose, CA, in collaboration with Gibson Labs, the Gibson Digital Guitar opens a new era for stringed instrument amplification. The new technology, which Gibson plans to install on all its electric guitars, features Gibson's MaGIC connectivity protocol and a sophisticated new pickup capable of isolating the vibrations of each individual string. In order to prevent loose Ethernet jacks and disconnections, Barani Subbiah, Founder and CEO of NetworkSound, knew he needed to outfit the guitar with Neutrik's ultra-reliable EtherCon RJ-45 connector. Utilizing the MaGIC protocol developed by Gibson Labs, the guitar company's technology division, NetworkSound was able to send 32 mono channels or 16 stereo channels in each direction over a single CAT-5 cable. "What you could conceivably do with this guitar is quite incredible," states Subbiah. "After running out of the Ethernet port and into the 8-output Breakout Box, you can then use split mode to assign each of the six strings to a different amplifier. However, this technology just wouldn't be practical if you had frequent drops in your connections and cables, so we had to go with the tight-locking and rock-solid Neutrik EtherCon RJ-45. You could jump around on stage all day and not lose your connection." A genuine Gibson guitar that is 100% compatible with all existing equipment, the world's first digital guitar employs Gibson's patented HEX pickup, which senses up-and-down motions and side-to-side motions, and can detect and isolate the vibrations of each individual string. By combining this revolutionary pickup with the MaGIC protocol and Breakout Box, NetworkSound was able attain a 32-channel throughput without having numerous extra connections and cables on the guitar itself. The EtherCon Series' rugged RJ-45 style connectors were designed with audio and video stage technology, DMX systems and harsh environments in mind. The EtherCon Series offers both male cable carriers and assembled female receptacles. The cable end offers a robust die-cast shell as a carrier for pre-assembled RJ-45 plugs. NetworkSound, which produced the electronics, real-time digital audio transport and control solutions for the Gibson Digital Guitar, provides a very cost-effective, high-quality, Ethernet-based audio distribution solution for the pro-audio market. Given the company's advanced technology and the broad range of applications, NetworkSound also uses the EtherCon connectors in mixers, amplifiers, high-end speakers, home theater systems, and stage boxes. "We are also currently working on a mixer with a similar philosophy using the Neutrik EtherCon connectors," continues Subbiah. "It has two ports: Audio-In and Audio-Out. This way we can replace the bulky, cumbersome analog snakes with a single CAT-5 cable. It is amazing to see the back panel of a mixer with no cables attached." http://www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/031020/7.shtml?nl267 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C39991.9A7B10D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
This=20 is old news, and never went anywhere. 
 
I don't think I'm all that = enthused with=20 the idea of Gibson-built A/D converters - especially ones=20 built small enough to stuff into a guitar along with=20 an ethernet card. I can't imagine what they intend to = charge for=20 this, either.
 
You can already buy a Roland hex pickup = breakout box,=20 and plug the six outputs into the A/D unit of your=20 choice.
 
bIz
 
-----Original = Message-----
From: Julio=20 Moreno [mailto:ciego@ig.com.br]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, = 2003=20 8:50 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT

GIBSON'S=20 DIGITAL GUITAR=20

The electric guitar, which has used the same electronic = technology=20 for over seventy years, has finally plugged into the digital = world,=20 using NetworkSound real time digital solutions over standard = Ethernet.=20 Driven by the Ethernet-based technological advances made by = NetworkSound=20 in San Jose, CA, in collaboration with Gibson Labs, the Gibson = Digital=20 Guitar opens a new era for stringed instrument amplification. = The new=20 technology, which Gibson plans to install on all its electric = guitars,=20 features Gibson's MaGIC connectivity protocol and a = sophisticated new=20 pickup capable of isolating the vibrations of each individual = string. In=20 order to prevent loose Ethernet jacks and disconnections, Barani = Subbiah, Founder and CEO of NetworkSound, knew he needed to = outfit the=20 guitar with Neutrik's ultra-reliable EtherCon RJ-45 connector.=20

Utilizing the MaGIC protocol developed by Gibson Labs, the = guitar=20 company's technology division, NetworkSound was able to send 32 = mono=20 channels or 16 stereo channels in each direction over a single = CAT-5=20 cable. "What you could conceivably do with this guitar is quite=20 incredible," states Subbiah. "After running out of the Ethernet = port and=20 into the 8-output Breakout Box, you can then use split mode to = assign=20 each of the six strings to a different amplifier. However, this=20 technology just wouldn't be practical if you had frequent drops = in your=20 connections and cables, so we had to go with the tight-locking = and=20 rock-solid Neutrik EtherCon RJ-45. You could jump around on = stage all=20 day and not lose your connection."=20

A genuine Gibson guitar that is 100% compatible with all = existing=20 equipment, the world's first digital guitar employs Gibson's = patented=20 HEX pickup, which senses up-and-down motions and side-to-side = motions,=20 and can detect and isolate the vibrations of each individual = string. By=20 combining this revolutionary pickup with the MaGIC protocol and = Breakout=20 Box, NetworkSound was able attain a 32-channel throughput = without having=20 numerous extra connections and cables on the guitar itself.=20

The EtherCon Series' rugged RJ-45 style connectors were = designed with=20 audio and video stage technology, DMX systems and harsh = environments in=20 mind. The EtherCon Series offers both male cable carriers and = assembled=20 female receptacles. The cable end offers a robust die-cast shell = as a=20 carrier for pre-assembled RJ-45 plugs.=20

NetworkSound, which produced the electronics, real-time = digital audio=20 transport and control solutions for the Gibson Digital Guitar, = provides=20 a very cost-effective, high-quality, Ethernet-based audio = distribution=20 solution for the pro-audio market. Given the company's advanced=20 technology and the broad range of applications, NetworkSound = also uses=20 the EtherCon connectors in mixers, amplifiers, high-end = speakers, home=20 theater systems, and stage boxes. "We are also currently working = on a=20 mixer with a similar philosophy using the Neutrik EtherCon = connectors,"=20 continues Subbiah. "It has two ports: Audio-In and Audio-Out. = This way=20 we can replace the bulky, cumbersome analog snakes with a single = CAT-5=20 cable. It is amazing to see the back panel of a mixer with no = cables=20 attached."

http:= //www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/031020/7.shtml?nl267
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C39991.9A7B10D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 21:31:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O1NwU28601; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:23:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c399cc$844999e0$dd661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: Subject: Re: Y2K3, Robin Haas and MP3s Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:16:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hadn't thought if the posting or emailing as MP3s. I will explore that idea. I do not know how much loss to the sound quality that is. Many say very little loss. I have only heard a small amount of MP3s played. Thanks for the idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Y2K3, Robin Haas > Robin Haas done wrote: > >When I am at that point, I will have to send everyone their completed > >mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, for their approval. That > >will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but necessary part of the process. > >I hope that is just in several more weeks. Robin > > If you have access to a website, it might be less costly to just post them > as mp3's. Probably just as time-consuming though. As for me, you can just > assume I approve. I trust your ear for sound quality. It'd be good to hear > it sometime...but I can wait for the cd to come out. > > Joe Balestreri done wrote: > >I'm sure you got plenty of trumpet in your mix, then... > > Yeah, a buttload of trumpet! (No, I haven't heard it, I just wanted to say > that.) > > Matt Davignon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. > Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service > providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 21:50:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O1cMn02028; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:38:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c399cf$7af0fe80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20031023192305.44286.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c399a1$c0d0ce40$5a681e43@r1x5s0> <006701c399c5$9f1eaaa0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <001001c399ca$d57ba6c0$dd661e43@r1x5s0> Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:37:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01C399A5.895C7FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C399A5.895C7FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robin, Sounds great! I may have missed it, but I assume somewhere in there, the artists are = getting a cut? I may have also missed the deal you've cut with them = before you recorded their performances, so if I did, please forgive me. = Again, not trying to be bothersome... just trying to understand the deal = ;) Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robin Haas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Yes, there is a plan to market it on my own website of Santa Cruz = things, which I am now building (it is offline at the moment), a portion = toward the next Y2K3 festival, and Rick could put it on his website as = well for sale. And Rick and I could also send it around to some extent = to interested places, such as stations which play such music. But I am a = start up, not with a big bang to do anything costly. My main intent, = aside from taking on a challenge that interests me, and perhaps make a = little money (hey, maybe I could then buy more recording equipment (I = bet loopers can relate to that thought!!), is to help promote those who = are on the CD(s) by its presence. It will be found in searches by those = interested in such music, and they can look further to the individual = musician's websites or place they sell their solo CDs, with the links I = will put up. It could bring some sales to each musician. One reason to = get the selections approved by each participant.=20 I would eventually like a few paragraphs from each participating = musician, after they hear their selection, describing there music, their = interest in using looping and other technology in making music (and = other sounds). And, as I said, how they can be reached for further = inquiries. Also, just a few sentences for the CD booklet. The CD project could hop to a bigger venue, but lets finish it and = just enjoy it at the moment. That is a whole other matter.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Can I just say... that I can't wait to hear this! I'll pay you = gents good $$ to finally hear some live, live-looping from this line up. = More direct inspiration, on tap. I assume there's a plan to sell this, and get the artists and Robin = their fair share of the cash? I don't ask in a malicious way... just = that I'm curious what the plan is? Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robin Haas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Joe, I had room mics for your piece, but they were optimized for = the main stage and you were on the second stage. With your piece, I was = able to use a mix of all four channels, the room mics and the board's = two channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, indeed. I do not think you = will have much room to complain about the results, which I think I can = be called stirring. It is from the end of your set.=20 When I am at that point, I will have to send everyone their = completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 compilation, for their = approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit costly, but necessary = part of the process. I hope that is just in several more weeks. Robin=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Balestreri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Aha! I was wondering about that. I wrote to tell you that I = have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up using me on any = sort of finished product, and want to mix in that recording, I'd be = happy to send you a CD of it. Regardless, I'd like to get your = recording of me, too... Thanks, Joe Balestreri Robin Haas wrote: My email was down for the last 3 days, so if anyone sent me = something and it came back, please resend it and it will work now. = Thanks, Robin _______________ www.metaman.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C399A5.895C7FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Robin,
 
Sounds great!
 
I may have missed it, but I assume = somewhere in=20 there, the artists are getting a cut?  I may have also missed the = deal=20 you've cut with them before you recorded their performances, so if I = did, please=20 forgive me.  Again, not trying to be bothersome... just trying to=20 understand the deal ;)
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Robin = Haas=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003 8:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, = etc

Yes, there is a plan to market it on = my own=20 website of Santa Cruz things, which I am now building (it is = offline at=20 the moment), a portion toward the next Y2K3 festival, and Rick could = put it on=20 his website as well for sale. And Rick and I could also send it around = to some=20 extent to interested places, such as stations which play such = music. But=20 I am a start up, not with a big bang to do anything costly. My main = intent,=20 aside from taking on a challenge that interests me, and perhaps make a = little=20 money (hey, maybe I could then buy more recording equipment (I bet = loopers can=20 relate to that thought!!), is to help promote those who are on the = CD(s) by=20 its presence. It will be found in searches by those interested in such = music,=20 and they can look further to the individual musician's websites or = place they=20 sell their solo CDs, with the links I will put up. It could bring some = sales=20 to each musician. One reason to get the selections approved by = each=20 participant.
 
I would eventually like a few = paragraphs from=20 each participating musician, after they hear their selection, = describing there=20 music, their interest in using looping and other technology in making = music=20 (and other sounds). And, as I said, how they can be reached for = further=20 inquiries. Also, just a few sentences for the CD = booklet.
 
The CD project could hop to a bigger = venue, but=20 lets finish it and just enjoy it at the moment. That is a whole other = matter.=20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Doug = Cox
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003 5:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, = Y2K3,=20 etc

Can I just say... that I can't wait = to hear=20 this!  I'll pay you gents good $$ to finally hear some live,=20 live-looping from this line up.  More direct inspiration, on=20 tap.
 
I assume there's a plan to sell = this, and get=20 the artists and Robin their fair share of the cash?  I don't = ask in a=20 malicious way... just that I'm curious what the plan = is?
 
Doug
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Robin Haas=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, = 2003 3:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, = Y2K3,=20 etc

Joe, I had room mics for your = piece, but they=20 were optimized for the main stage and you were on the second = stage. With=20 your piece, I was able to use a mix of all four channels, the room = mics=20 and the board's two channels for a tasty, I mean Phat sound, = indeed. I do=20 not think you will have much room to complain about the results, = which I=20 think I can be called stirring. It is from the end of your set.=20
 
When I am at that point, I will = have to send=20 everyone their completed mixdowns that I chose for the Y2K3 = compilation,=20 for their approval. That will be a time consuming, a bit = costly, but=20 necessary part of the process. I hope that is just in several more = weeks.=20 Robin 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Joe=20 Balestreri
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October = 23, 2003=20 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Haas, = Y2K3,=20 etc

Aha!  I was wondering about that.  I wrote to = tell you=20 that I have an room mic recording of my set... if you end up = using me on=20 any sort of finished product, and want to mix in that recording, = I'd be=20 happy to send you a CD of it.  Regardless, I'd like to get = your=20 recording of me, too...
Thanks,
Joe Balestreri

Robin Haas <rob@robinhaas.com>=20 wrote:
My email was down for the = last 3 days, so=20 if anyone sent me something and it came back, please resend it = and it=20 will work now. Thanks, Robin


_______________
www.metaman.us

Do you Yahoo!?
The=20 New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product=20 = search
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C399A5.895C7FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 23 23:53:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O3jeP00448; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:45:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:45:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031024034534.2448.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:45:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: RE: Software based looper exist? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F615C4900000B6F@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a MAC version of this software? Also, what programs are the list endorsing for working with loops stored on CFC's for the repeater? --- Chris Roberts wrote: > AmbiLoop.... I hear it's really good... ;) > > http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ > > peace > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Brian Carabee" > >To: > >Subject: Software based looper exist? > >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:22:30 -0400 > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >I'm sure this has been asked before, but I was > wondering if there is any > >such thing as a PC-based software looper available. > I'm talking about a > >real-time looper that you can plug your guitar into > and use for live > >performances. > > > >Thanks, and I'm sorry if I'm re-hashing old > material. > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 01:03:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O51Pq15571; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:01:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:01:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:01:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c399ca$d57ba6c0$dd661e43@r1x5s0> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should have pictures for you at some point but I'm snowed under at work and haven't had a chance to really dig into the 2+ gigabytes of raw camera files I accumulated during Y2K3. Thanksgiving may provide me with a suitable break. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 01:55:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O5kql23661; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:46:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:46:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031023224754.03fe7008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:51:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT In-Reply-To: References: <000701c399a0$00634a30$dbbd97c8@newshit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:15 PM 10/23/2003, Jonathan wrote: >I don't think I'm all that enthused with the idea of Gibson-built A/D >converters - especially ones built small enough to stuff into a guitar >along with an ethernet card. I can't imagine what they intend to charge >for this, either. A/D convertors are just a tiny chip. They are quite small, and come from companies like Analog Devices, Cirrus, etc. There's not much to it really. For that matter, the same is true of ethernet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 05:40:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9O9al500929; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:36:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:36:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:41:56 -0400 Subject: Promoters gone bad.... From: Andre Cholmondeley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>unfortunately i'm still waiting to get paid by the promoters for my work at the show. 3 years and counting. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com Hey eric - that sucks!!!! What a drag SOME promoters and club owners can be.... Hope this works out some day.... Fortunately this is happening less and less as we get more 'real' music lovers and musicians into the control seat. Good luck!! + See ya, andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 06:12:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OA9w207661; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:09:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:09:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C39A27.791DBD20@dyn-81-166-4-137.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: EDP in europe Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:15:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I have just received my EDP. I want to say thank you to all the european guys who replied my mail and helped me locate the EDP, namely Bruno from Roma Italy Steve Lawson UK Ian Petersen from Denmark Leander Reininghaus from Germany Alex from musikland-online.de in Germany who finally got the deal everybody was so helpful. During my search, I heard a rumor that Gibson is going to stop making/selling EDPs soon. Has anybody heard about that ? Regards Francois From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 06:55:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OAmGU16514; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: steve jones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone have an Echoplex for sale in UK / Europe? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:47:44 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9OAmGo16490 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, If anyone has an Echoplex unit they wish to sell, I'd be interested. email me directly. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 08:19:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OC65i29822; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Adrian Belew FYI Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39A27.31A45080" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39A27.31A45080 Content-Type: text/plain This oughtta be interesting: "In addition, [Primus' Les] Claypool, King Crimson guitarist/singer Adrian Belew and Tool drummer Danny Carey have begun work on an as-yet-unnamed band project. . . ." FULL ARTICLE: http://tinyurl.com/s6mu ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39A27.31A45080 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adrian Belew FYI

This oughtta be interesting:
"In addition, [Primus' Les] Claypool, King = Crimson guitarist/singer Adrian Belew and Tool drummer Danny Carey have = begun work on an as-yet-unnamed band project. . . ."

FULL ARTICLE:
http://tinyurl.com/s6mu

------_=_NextPart_001_01C39A27.31A45080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 09:05:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OD1WE11059; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:01:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:01:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c39a2d$f87db6a0$5f681e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:54:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds fine. I hope to soon email you and everybody else an MP3 of their work. That is my next goal. And then people can write up something on themselves and put in links to be put on a webpage on my site. Thanks for getting back to me. Robin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Robin Haas, Y2K3, etc > I should have pictures for you at some point but I'm snowed under at work > and haven't had a chance to really dig into the 2+ gigabytes of raw camera > files I accumulated during Y2K3. Thanksgiving may provide me with a suitable > break. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 09:13:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OD5cj11681; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Digitech X Delay and Kaoss MIDI in Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:05:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39A2F.835F30E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39A2F.835F30E0 Content-Type: text/plain I love my Digitech Xseries Digi-Delay. I sold my Boomerang and am saving for an EDP, meanwhile I am jamming with my sister and her electric violin/DL-4 with me on guiatr and my Digidelay. Lotsa fun. Someone on the list once talked about how he used a battery-powered amp with a Digitech X-DigiDelay (running off battery) to do a totally battery operated show at a Starbucks. Talk about the ultimate in portability. Oh here is the thread: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200308/msg00227.html (Also check out the followup comments in that link for more information on Gary's gig @ Starbucks) -DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] >>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:55 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Digitech X Delay and Kaoss MIDI in >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] >>Snip> >>Digitech X series with its 5sec delay time. >> WADDAYAKNOW,,,,,half an hour later i emerged from the most >>fully openminded improvised loop sesh that i have managed to >>do for ages. >>I cant belive how fun it was, i just layed some taps and >>drones then soloed over them, then reduced the feedbacl for a >>bit of walking/changing pattern bofore getting down with a >>dirty groove. >> >>made me really question what u can do with even the most basic tools >> >>Phill >> >>***Yeah, this tool is WAAAY worth $99--better if you can >>control the knobs while standing (figured out the master >>volume fade!) BTW, the Kaoss II Pad MIDI in does not allow >>you to trigger the sample button, so not a great MIDI looper. >> But perhaps I should take these two to the local Starbucks? >>Gary >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39A2F.835F30E0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Digitech X Delay and Kaoss MIDI in

I love my Digitech Xseries Digi-Delay. I sold my = Boomerang and am saving for an EDP, meanwhile I am jamming with my = sister and her electric violin/DL-4 with me on guiatr and my = Digidelay.

Lotsa fun.

Someone on the list once talked about how he used a = battery-powered amp with a Digitech X-DigiDelay (running off battery) = to do a totally battery operated show at a Starbucks.

Talk about the ultimate in portability.

Oh here is the thread:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200308/msg002= 27.html
(Also check out the followup comments in that link = for more information on Gary's gig @ Starbucks)

-DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earth= link.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:55 = PM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Digitech X Delay and Kaoss MIDI = in
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.c= om]
>>Snip>
>>Digitech X series with its 5sec delay = time.
>>  WADDAYAKNOW,,,,,half an hour later i = emerged from the most
>>fully openminded improvised loop sesh that i = have managed to
>>do for ages.
>>I cant belive how fun it was, i just layed = some taps and
>>drones then soloed over them, then reduced = the feedbacl for a
>>bit of walking/changing pattern bofore = getting down with a
>>dirty groove.
>>
>>made me really question what u can do with = even the most basic tools
>>
>>Phill
>>
>>***Yeah, this tool is WAAAY worth = $99--better if you can
>>control the knobs while standing (figured = out the master
>>volume fade!) BTW, the Kaoss II Pad MIDI in = does not allow
>>you to trigger the sample button, so not a = great MIDI looper.
>> But perhaps I should take these two to the = local Starbucks?
>>Gary
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C39A2F.835F30E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 10:21:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OEF7S23075; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:15:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:15:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:15:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39A39.38BC8C40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39A39.38BC8C40 Content-Type: text/plain It might not go anywhere in it's first generation, but it is only a matter of time before it does. . . . ..you watch. DM _____ From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT This is old news, and never went anywhere. I don't think I'm all that enthused with the idea of Gibson-built A/D converters - especially ones built small enough to stuff into a guitar along with an ethernet card. I can't imagine what they intend to charge for this, either. You can already buy a Roland hex pickup breakout box, and plug the six outputs into the A/D unit of your choice. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Julio Moreno [mailto:ciego@ig.com.br] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT GIBSON'S DIGITAL GUITAR The electric guitar, which has used the same electronic technology for over seventy years, has finally plugged into the digital world, using NetworkSound real time digital solutions over standard Ethernet. Driven by the Ethernet-based technological advances made by NetworkSound in San Jose, CA, in collaboration with Gibson Labs, the Gibson Digital Guitar opens a new era for stringed instrument amplification. The new technology, which Gibson plans to install on all its electric guitars, features Gibson's MaGIC connectivity protocol and a sophisticated new pickup capable of isolating the vibrations of each individual string. In order to prevent loose Ethernet jacks and disconnections, Barani Subbiah, Founder and CEO of NetworkSound, knew he needed to outfit the guitar with Neutrik's ultra-reliable EtherCon RJ-45 connector. Utilizing the MaGIC protocol developed by Gibson Labs, the guitar company's technology division, NetworkSound was able to send 32 mono channels or 16 stereo channels in each direction over a single CAT-5 cable. "What you could conceivably do with this guitar is quite incredible," states Subbiah. "After running out of the Ethernet port and into the 8-output Breakout Box, you can then use split mode to assign each of the six strings to a different amplifier. However, this technology just wouldn't be practical if you had frequent drops in your connections and cables, so we had to go with the tight-locking and rock-solid Neutrik EtherCon RJ-45. You could jump around on stage all day and not lose your connection." A genuine Gibson guitar that is 100% compatible with all existing equipment, the world's first digital guitar employs Gibson's patented HEX pickup, which senses up-and-down motions and side-to-side motions, and can detect and isolate the vibrations of each individual string. By combining this revolutionary pickup with the MaGIC protocol and Breakout Box, NetworkSound was able attain a 32-channel throughput without having numerous extra connections and cables on the guitar itself. The EtherCon Series' rugged RJ-45 style connectors were designed with audio and video stage technology, DMX systems and harsh environments in mind. The EtherCon Series offers both male cable carriers and assembled female receptacles. The cable end offers a robust die-cast shell as a carrier for pre-assembled RJ-45 plugs. NetworkSound, which produced the electronics, real-time digital audio transport and control solutions for the Gibson Digital Guitar, provides a very cost-effective, high-quality, Ethernet-based audio distribution solution for the pro-audio market. Given the company's advanced technology and the broad range of applications, NetworkSound also uses the EtherCon connectors in mixers, amplifiers, high-end speakers, home theater systems, and stage boxes. "We are also currently working on a mixer with a similar philosophy using the Neutrik EtherCon connectors," continues Subbiah. "It has two ports: Audio-In and Audio-Out. This way we can replace the bulky, cumbersome analog snakes with a single CAT-5 cable. It is amazing to see the back panel of a mixer with no cables attached." http://www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/031020/7.shtml?nl267 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39A39.38BC8C40 Content-Type: text/html Message
It might not go anywhere in it's first generation, but it is only a matter of time before it does. . . . ..you watch.
 
DM

From: Jonathan [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:15 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT

 
This is old news, and never went anywhere. 
 
I don't think I'm all that enthused with the idea of Gibson-built A/D converters - especially ones built small enough to stuff into a guitar along with an ethernet card. I can't imagine what they intend to charge for this, either.
 
You can already buy a Roland hex pickup breakout box, and plug the six outputs into the A/D unit of your choice.
 
bIz
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Julio Moreno [mailto:ciego@ig.com.br]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:50 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT

GIBSON'S DIGITAL GUITAR

The electric guitar, which has used the same electronic technology for over seventy years, has finally plugged into the digital world, using NetworkSound real time digital solutions over standard Ethernet. Driven by the Ethernet-based technological advances made by NetworkSound in San Jose, CA, in collaboration with Gibson Labs, the Gibson Digital Guitar opens a new era for stringed instrument amplification. The new technology, which Gibson plans to install on all its electric guitars, features Gibson's MaGIC connectivity protocol and a sophisticated new pickup capable of isolating the vibrations of each individual string. In order to prevent loose Ethernet jacks and disconnections, Barani Subbiah, Founder and CEO of NetworkSound, knew he needed to outfit the guitar with Neutrik's ultra-reliable EtherCon RJ-45 connector.

Utilizing the MaGIC protocol developed by Gibson Labs, the guitar company's technology division, NetworkSound was able to send 32 mono channels or 16 stereo channels in each direction over a single CAT-5 cable. "What you could conceivably do with this guitar is quite incredible," states Subbiah. "After running out of the Ethernet port and into the 8-output Breakout Box, you can then use split mode to assign each of the six strings to a different amplifier. However, this technology just wouldn't be practical if you had frequent drops in your connections and cables, so we had to go with the tight-locking and rock-solid Neutrik EtherCon RJ-45. You could jump around on stage all day and not lose your connection."

A genuine Gibson guitar that is 100% compatible with all existing equipment, the world's first digital guitar employs Gibson's patented HEX pickup, which senses up-and-down motions and side-to-side motions, and can detect and isolate the vibrations of each individual string. By combining this revolutionary pickup with the MaGIC protocol and Breakout Box, NetworkSound was able attain a 32-channel throughput without having numerous extra connections and cables on the guitar itself.

The EtherCon Series' rugged RJ-45 style connectors were designed with audio and video stage technology, DMX systems and harsh environments in mind. The EtherCon Series offers both male cable carriers and assembled female receptacles. The cable end offers a robust die-cast shell as a carrier for pre-assembled RJ-45 plugs.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C39A39.38BC8C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 11:19:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OElbI29210; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c39a3d$3f6b8740$2ae75cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #344 for October 23, 2003 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:43:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C39A1B.A83EFA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C39A1B.A83EFA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #344 October 23, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Michael Stearns, who = helped define the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Plunge" = on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Ralf and Florian" by Kraftwerk on = Vertigo records. I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things, one of the two = local bands which will appear at the next Gathering. Check the Events page for = details. Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct EMUSIC Events Page - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Kraftwerk Heimatklange Ralf and Florian = (Vertigo) A Produce and The Wall of Dali Early Sessions = (TrancePort) Ruben Garcia (take 5) The Ministry of Inside concert exerpt EMUSIC #274 Concert = (none) Things Cipher The Lodger No Ordinary Man (Hidden = Art) Jeff Greinke Climb Weather from Another = Planet (FWD) ARC Sparked Blaze (DiN) vidnaObmana IV An Opera for Four = Fusion Works Act 2: Phrasing the = Air (Hypnos) ++ Telomere Departure Astral Currents = (Evenfall) 12:00 am Telomere Timelapse Astral Currents = (Evenfall) Telomere Lifecycle Astral Currents = (Evenfall) Michael Stearns Splash Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Two Memories Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Penguins on Mars Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Dark Passage Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Space Grass Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Tickle Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Entry Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Plunge Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Whoosh! Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Bell Tear Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Exit Plunge (Groove) Michael Stearns Loose Ends Plunge (Groove) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Michael = Stearns. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Storm" on the Spotted Peccary = label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Computer World" by Kraftwerk on = the Warner Brothers label. I will play the music of Orbital Decay who will be performing at the = next Gathering. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C39A1B.A83EFA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #344       =20             October 23, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Michael = Stearns, who helped
define the spacemusic genre.  The Featured = CD at=20 Midnight was "Plunge" on the
Groove label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Ralf and Florian" by Kraftwerk = on=20 Vertigo
records.
 
I played the music of The Ministry of Inside Things, one of the two = local=20 bands
which will appear at the next Gathering.  Check the Events = page=20 for details.
 
Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct
EM= USIC=20 Events Page - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Kraftwerk         &nbs= p;    =20 Heimatklange          &= nbsp; =20 Ralf and Florian (Vertigo)
A Produce=20 and           The Wall = of=20 Dali         Early Sessions=20 (TrancePort)
  Ruben=20 Garcia            = (take=20 5)
The Ministry of Inside  concert=20 exerpt           = EMUSIC #274=20 Concert (none)
 =20 Things
Cipher         &nb= sp;       =20 The=20 Lodger           &= nbsp;  =20 No Ordinary Man (Hidden Art)
Jeff=20 Greinke           = =20 Climb           &n= bsp;       =20 Weather from Another=20 Planet
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 (FWD)
ARC          &= nbsp;         =20 Sparked           =       =20 Blaze=20 (DiN)
vidnaObmana         = ;   =20 IV            = ;          =20 An Opera for Four Fusion=20 Works
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20 Act 2: Phrasing the=20 Air
           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 (Hypnos)=20 ++
Telomere          = ;     =20 Departure          &nbs= p;    =20 Astral Currents (Evenfall)
 
12:00=20 am
Telomere          = ;     =20 Timelapse          &nbs= p;    =20 Astral Currents=20 (Evenfall)
Telomere        &nb= sp;      =20 Lifecycle          &nbs= p;    =20 Astral Currents (Evenfall)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Splash           &= nbsp;      =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns         Two=20 Memories           = ; =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns         Penguins on=20 Mars         Plunge = (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns         Dark=20 Passage           =  =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns         Space=20 Grass           &n= bsp; =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Tickle           &= nbsp;      =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Entry           &n= bsp;       =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Plunge           &= nbsp;      =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Whoosh!           =       =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns         Bell=20 Tear           &nb= sp;   =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Exit           &nb= sp;        =20 Plunge (Groove)
Michael=20 Stearns         Loose=20 Ends           &nb= sp;  =20 Plunge (Groove)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance CDR=20 from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long = focus on=20 Michael Stearns.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "The = Storm" on the=20 Spotted Peccary label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Computer World" by Kraftwerk = on=20 the
Warner Brothers label.
 
I will play the music of Orbital Decay who will be performing at = the=20 next
Gathering.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C39A1B.A83EFA80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 12:20:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OGI1K14652; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:18:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:18:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3's, Robin Haas & Y2K3 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:17:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2003 16:17:55.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[61A5F770:01C39A4A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, emailling mp3's isn't really feasible, since most of us have email accounts that can't handle files that large. What might make things easier on you is asking who CAN receive mp3's via email, so you don't have to mail them out. Robin Haas done wrote: >I hadn't thought if the posting or emailing as MP3s. I will explore that >idea. I do not know how much loss to the sound quality that is. Many say >very little loss. I have only heard a small amount of MP3s played. Thanks >for the idea. _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 13:27:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OHMY225794; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:22:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:22:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c39a52$6facd7a0$dc661e43@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: Subject: Re: mp3's, Robin Haas & Y2K3 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:15:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We will somehow make easy distribution work. I am very close to being able to share what I got from each musician to them individually, as opposed to everybody hearing everybody's work now. We should leave the collective mystery for the time when everbody has approved their own work. What are the usual limits on email size? Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: mp3's, Robin Haas & Y2K3 > Well, emailling mp3's isn't really feasible, since most of us have email > accounts that can't handle files that large. What might make things easier > on you is asking who CAN receive mp3's via email, so you don't have to mail > them out. > > Robin Haas done wrote: > >I hadn't thought if the posting or emailing as MP3s. I will explore that > >idea. I do not know how much loss to the sound quality that is. Many say > >very little loss. I have only heard a small amount of MP3s played. Thanks > >for the idea. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. > Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service > providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 13:30:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OHMW325761; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:22:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:22:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP in europe Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:22:40 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c39a53$6dbdbc60$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <01C39A27.791DBD20@dyn-81-166-4-137.ppp.tiscali.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What has actually happened is that they, (Gibson) have stopped paying us for the new EDPs that they ordered last year, (for reasons only known to themselves) and we have 350 sitting in our warehouse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Francois LEBRUN [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr] Sent: 24 October 2003 10:16 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: EDP in europe Hello, I have just received my EDP. I want to say thank you to all the european guys who replied my mail and helped me locate the EDP, namely Bruno from Roma Italy Steve Lawson UK Ian Petersen from Denmark Leander Reininghaus from Germany Alex from musikland-online.de in Germany who finally got the deal everybody was so helpful. During my search, I heard a rumor that Gibson is going to stop making/selling EDPs soon. Has anybody heard about that ? Regards Francois From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 13:36:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OHRoZ26981; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:27:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:27:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: RE: EDP in europe Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:27:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcOaU5dthqPCzmJGTVW/oMF5w6iLbAAAGjxQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003101c39a53$6dbdbc60$0100a8c0@p4> Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! Imagine the loop potential one night if you are bored and you head on down to your warehouse. 350 EDP's synced :) -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP in europe What has actually happened is that they, (Gibson) have stopped paying us for the new EDPs that they ordered last year, (for reasons only known to themselves) and we have 350 sitting in our warehouse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Francois LEBRUN [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr] Sent: 24 October 2003 10:16 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: EDP in europe Hello, I have just received my EDP. I want to say thank you to all the european guys who replied my mail and helped me locate the EDP, namely Bruno from Roma Italy Steve Lawson UK Ian Petersen from Denmark Leander Reininghaus from Germany Alex from musikland-online.de in Germany who finally got the deal everybody was so helpful. During my search, I heard a rumor that Gibson is going to stop making/selling EDPs soon. Has anybody heard about that ? Regards Francois From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 14:17:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OID7E03234; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:13:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:13:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <146.1b23c5a9.2ccac583@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:12:19 EDT Subject: VST Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com with long delay and modulation, ...and tape sim haven't tried it myself Click here: elogoxa.......VST Plugins From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 14:18:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OIAXX02774; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:10:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:10:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.144.36.162] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #748 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:10:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2003 18:10:27.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A4FAFF0:01C39A5A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robin Haas done wrote: >What are the usual limits on email size? (for sending mp3's) A 5 minute mp3 is usually about 5mb (if it's coded decently). Hotmail limits its free users only 2 mb of space. I believe yahoo is 2.5 or 3 mb. Most users have their accounts at least half full already. (Some Yahoo DSL users have up to 25 mb, but you can't always tell from the email address.) You could send mine to mattdavignon()sbcglobal()net. (Trying to write it so the email harvesting programs don't pick it up.) _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 14:50:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OIggs07437; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:42:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:44:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C39A6F.8F7C20F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=4.0 tests=HTML_10_20,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C39A6F.8F7C20F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message... and while we're at it, why not directly use WLAN? BTW: http://matthias.grob.org/pParad/polymod.htm (That was in 1984, I think!) Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Julio Moreno [mailto:ciego@ig.com.br] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT GIBSON'S DIGITAL GUITAR The electric guitar, which has used the same electronic technology for over seventy years, has finally plugged into the digital world, using NetworkSound real time digital solutions over standard Ethernet. Driven by the Ethernet-based technological advances made by NetworkSound in San Jose, CA, in collaboration with Gibson Labs, the Gibson Digital Guitar opens a new era for stringed instrument amplification. The new technology, which Gibson plans to install on all its electric guitars, features Gibson's MaGIC connectivity protocol and a sophisticated new pickup capable of isolating the vibrations of each individual string. In order to prevent loose Ethernet jacks and disconnections, Barani Subbiah, Founder and CEO of NetworkSound, knew he needed to outfit the guitar with Neutrik's ultra-reliable EtherCon RJ-45 connector. Utilizing the MaGIC protocol developed by Gibson Labs, the guitar company's technology division, NetworkSound was able to send 32 mono channels or 16 stereo channels in each direction over a single CAT-5 cable. "What you could conceivably do with this guitar is quite incredible," states Subbiah. "After running out of the Ethernet port and into the 8-output Breakout Box, you can then use split mode to assign each of the six strings to a different amplifier. However, this technology just wouldn't be practical if you had frequent drops in your connections and cables, so we had to go with the tight-locking and rock-solid Neutrik EtherCon RJ-45. You could jump around on stage all day and not lose your connection." A genuine Gibson guitar that is 100% compatible with all existing equipment, the world's first digital guitar employs Gibson's patented HEX pickup, which senses up-and-down motions and side-to-side motions, and can detect and isolate the vibrations of each individual string. By combining this revolutionary pickup with the MaGIC protocol and Breakout Box, NetworkSound was able attain a 32-channel throughput without having numerous extra connections and cables on the guitar itself. The EtherCon Series' rugged RJ-45 style connectors were designed with audio and video stage technology, DMX systems and harsh environments in mind. The EtherCon Series offers both male cable carriers and assembled female receptacles. The cable end offers a robust die-cast shell as a carrier for pre-assembled RJ-45 plugs. NetworkSound, which produced the electronics, real-time digital audio transport and control solutions for the Gibson Digital Guitar, provides a very cost-effective, high-quality, Ethernet-based audio distribution solution for the pro-audio market. Given the company's advanced technology and the broad range of applications, NetworkSound also uses the EtherCon connectors in mixers, amplifiers, high-end speakers, home theater systems, and stage boxes. "We are also currently working on a mixer with a similar philosophy using the Neutrik EtherCon connectors," continues Subbiah. "It has two ports: Audio-In and Audio-Out. This way we can replace the bulky, cumbersome analog snakes with a single CAT-5 cable. It is amazing to see the back panel of a mixer with no cables attached." http://www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/031020/7.shtml?nl267 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C39A6F.8F7C20F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
...=20 and while we're at it, why not directly use WLAN?
 
BTW:=20 http://matthias.grob= .org/pParad/polymod.htm (That=20 was in 1984, I think!)
 
Bernhard
-----Original = Message-----
From: Julio=20 Moreno [mailto:ciego@ig.com.br]
Sent: Wednesday, October = 22, 2003=20 8:50 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Gibson Digital Guitar ... OT

GIBSON'S=20 DIGITAL GUITAR=20

The electric guitar, which has used the same electronic = technology=20 for over seventy years, has finally plugged into the digital = world,=20 using NetworkSound real time digital solutions over standard = Ethernet.=20 Driven by the Ethernet-based technological advances made by=20 NetworkSound in San Jose, CA, in collaboration with Gibson = Labs, the=20 Gibson Digital Guitar opens a new era for stringed instrument=20 amplification. The new technology, which Gibson plans to = install on=20 all its electric guitars, features Gibson's MaGIC connectivity = protocol and a sophisticated new pickup capable of isolating = the=20 vibrations of each individual string. In order to prevent = loose=20 Ethernet jacks and disconnections, Barani Subbiah, Founder and = CEO of=20 NetworkSound, knew he needed to outfit the guitar with = Neutrik's=20 ultra-reliable EtherCon RJ-45 connector.=20

Utilizing the MaGIC protocol developed by Gibson Labs, the = guitar=20 company's technology division, NetworkSound was able to send = 32 mono=20 channels or 16 stereo channels in each direction over a single = CAT-5=20 cable. "What you could conceivably do with this guitar is = quite=20 incredible," states Subbiah. "After running out of the = Ethernet port=20 and into the 8-output Breakout Box, you can then use split = mode to=20 assign each of the six strings to a different amplifier. = However, this=20 technology just wouldn't be practical if you had frequent = drops in=20 your connections and cables, so we had to go with the = tight-locking=20 and rock-solid Neutrik EtherCon RJ-45. You could jump around = on stage=20 all day and not lose your connection."=20

A genuine Gibson guitar that is 100% compatible with all = existing=20 equipment, the world's first digital guitar employs Gibson's = patented=20 HEX pickup, which senses up-and-down motions and side-to-side = motions,=20 and can detect and isolate the vibrations of each individual = string.=20 By combining this revolutionary pickup with the MaGIC protocol = and=20 Breakout Box, NetworkSound was able attain a 32-channel = throughput=20 without having numerous extra connections and cables on the = guitar=20 itself.=20

The EtherCon Series' rugged RJ-45 style connectors were = designed=20 with audio and video stage technology, DMX systems and harsh=20 environments in mind. The EtherCon Series offers both male = cable=20 carriers and assembled female receptacles. The cable end = offers a=20 robust die-cast shell as a carrier for pre-assembled RJ-45 = plugs.=20

NetworkSound, which produced the electronics, real-time = digital=20 audio transport and control solutions for the Gibson Digital = Guitar,=20 provides a very cost-effective, high-quality, Ethernet-based = audio=20 distribution solution for the pro-audio market. Given the = company's=20 advanced technology and the broad range of applications, = NetworkSound=20 also uses the EtherCon connectors in mixers, amplifiers, = high-end=20 speakers, home theater systems, and stage boxes. "We are also=20 currently working on a mixer with a similar philosophy using = the=20 Neutrik EtherCon connectors," continues Subbiah. "It has two = ports:=20 Audio-In and Audio-Out. This way we can replace the bulky, = cumbersome=20 analog snakes with a single CAT-5 cable. It is amazing to see = the back=20 panel of a mixer with no cables attached."=20

http:= //www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/031020/7.shtml?nl267
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C39A6F.8F7C20F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 14:59:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OInrB08800; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:49:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:49:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c39a70$72896f10$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #748 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:50:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2q6ZJ.A.XJC.RRXm_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Clarification: a *stereo* MP3 at 128kb/sec bitrate is about 1MB per minute of audio. Encoding it as mono will halve that. Reducing the bitrate will also trim it down. Rock. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #748 > Robin Haas done wrote: > >What are the usual limits on email size? (for sending mp3's) > > A 5 minute mp3 is usually about 5mb (if it's coded decently). > Hotmail limits its free users only 2 mb of space. I believe yahoo is 2.5 or > 3 mb. Most users have their accounts at least half full already. (Some Yahoo > DSL users have up to 25 mb, but you can't always tell from the email > address.) > > You could send mine to mattdavignon()sbcglobal()net. (Trying to write it so > the email harvesting programs don't pick it up.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 15:07:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OIxa811751; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:59:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:59:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "c.white" Subject: solar pond + magicicada live in Atlanta Coronal Mass Ejection Party To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.4.0.6 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unless of course the solar burst fries our Power Grid. Blame Solar Pond. Coronal Mass Ejection Party! Fr 24 - Solar Pond-Magicicada Friday October 24 3-5bucks at the door eyedrum, suite 8, 290 mlk jr. drive se, atl, ga 30312 Solar Pond: Fire and water signs combine with rolling drums echoing under a wailing Telecaster guitar played in front of a wall of cabinet speakers. The feedback is clear and distance and then a melody emerges. Djanjo Rheinhardt, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, John Abercrombie and Bill Frisell are all cited as influences on Evan Levy's latest musical project. Satchel Mallon (Asi Nisi Masa) is on drums and keyboard. Starr 77 plays bass. And the legendary WZ pushes the wind toys. This ensemble threatens to split your inner brain-logical and emotive. Levy is a founding member of the Dribbling Hermits and Twittering Machine. This latest group recalls early neo-punk with a dash of jazz and southern rock. magicicada is the recording/performance project of Atlanta-based musician and photographer Christopher White. Field recordings, deep drones, live loops, scrapes, jitters, stutters, disembodied voices, all assembled live via sampler, laptop and live loops. Empathetic experimental. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 15:24:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OJLdw16503; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:21:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:21:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Promoters gone bad.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <45ED3B40-0657-11D8-AE14-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 04:41 AM, Andre Cholmondeley wrote regarding the Stiffage Of Suit at the Zappening: > Hey eric - that sucks!!!! What a drag SOME promoters and club owners > can > be.... Hope this works out some day.... i gotta say it's the only time i've been burned. i've never had a bad experience before or since. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 15:42:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OJcKk21248; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C39A76.DE452E00@dyn-213-36-223-101.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: EDP in europe Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:24:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C39A76.DE4CCF20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C39A76.DE4CCF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable quite interesting ...=20 so that means that the 2 or 3 fellows who are still awaiting for a real availability date for their (pre-ordered) EDP in Paris might still have to wait for some extra weeks, months, ..., looks like a) I was right to search over the net and not wait and wait = and wait ... b) I am lucky I finally got one. -----Message d'origine----- De: Andy Ewen [SMTP:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Date: vendredi 24 octobre 2003 19:23 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: RE: EDP in europe What has actually happened is that they, (Gibson) have stopped paying us for the new EDPs that they ordered last year, (for reasons only known to themselves) and we have 350 sitting in our warehouse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Francois LEBRUN [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr]=20 Sent: 24 October 2003 10:16 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: EDP in europe Hello, I have just received my EDP. I want to say thank you to all the european guys who replied my mail and helped me locate the EDP, namely Bruno from Roma Italy Steve Lawson UK Ian Petersen from Denmark Leander Reininghaus from Germany Alex from musikland-online.de in Germany who finally got the deal everybody was so helpful. During my search, I heard a rumor that Gibson is going to stop making/selling EDPs soon. Has anybody heard about that ? 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Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:04:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F99855D.7DAA2994@pixar.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:02:37 -0700 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland breakout box [was Gibson Digital Guitar ... but still OT!] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You can already buy a Roland hex pickup breakout box, and plug the six outputs into the A/D unit of your choice. > Really? I didn't think Roland made one. I'd love to hear more about this... I am fond of looping each string differently... -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 18:52:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9OMomq25318; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:50:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:50:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031024225042.15933.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Roland breakout box [was Gibson Digital Guitar ... but still OT!] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F99855D.7DAA2994@pixar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Alex Stahl wrote: > > You can already buy a Roland hex pickup breakout > box, and plug the six outputs into the A/D unit of > your choice. > > > > Really? I didn't think Roland made one. I'd love to > hear more about > this... I am fond of looping each string > differently... > > -Alex S. It's made made by RMC. http://www.vg-8.com/accessories/fanout John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 24 19:48:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9ONfJc08540; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:41:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:41:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:39:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Guitar Craft - Frippery From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3149887191_639888_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <68JQMD.A.UFC.fibm_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3149887191_639888_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Cara, Couple of links about Guitar Craft and Robert Fripp: http://www.progressiveears.com/frippbook/ch10.htm http://www.geocities.com/pitkin_family/robert_fripp.zip ROBERT FRIPP - FROM CRIMSON KING TO CRAFTY MASTER by Eric Tamm Best wishes j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: Goddess To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Craft (was new lingo) Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 4:44 am Actually, feel free to discuss this sort of thing at The Guitar Cafe as well, if you'd like. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe *shameless plug* -from the shameless one herself! lol! Have a wonderful night All... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe --MS_Mac_OE_3149887191_639888_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Guitar Craft - Frippery Hi Cara,

Couple of links about Guitar Craft and Robert Fripp:

http://www.progressiveears.com/frippbook/ch10.htm
http://www.geocities.com/pitkin_family/robert_fripp.zip

ROBERT FRIPP - FROM CRIMSON KING TO CRAFTY MASTER  = by Eric Tamm


Best wishes

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122


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From: Goddess <thefates@earthlink.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Guitar Craft (was new lingo)
Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 4:44 am


  Actually, feel free to discuss this sort of thi= ng at The Guitar Cafe as
well, if you'd like.  

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe<= /FONT>  

*shameless plug*  -from the shameless one herself!   lol! &n= bsp; Have a
wonderful night All...  

Smiles,

Cara




---

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  -Last updated on Sun. 10.19.03

  "The only things I really think are important, are love, a= nd eachother.
-Then, anything is possible..."  

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--MS_Mac_OE_3149887191_639888_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 25 14:06:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9PI2c722968; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:02:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <76.33d1f84a.2ccc14b1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:02:25 EDT Subject: vst looper --free To: matthias@grob.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Click here: Elogoxa Group --- Free VST plugins made with Synth Edit sorry, last url was wrong scroll down to:- 08/21/2003 Elottronix XL updated to v1.11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 25 15:41:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9PJXst05869; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:33:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:33:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.226.210.228] X-Originating-Email: [jdwinger@hotmail.com] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sustainiac C released Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:33:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2003 19:33:47.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8F7CA20:01C39B2E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure many of you guys are aware, but for those who aren't...the sustainiac model C is finally in release (this is the electro-mechanical sustainer that has a headstock transducer that "wiggles" the instrument as opposed to ebow-like magnetic excitement of the strings) _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 27 02:39:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9R7WQY13763; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:32:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:32:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Block Jam Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:34:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: STCVwQZYYenD55E4seixm-qPm0ClR7ItO2Tes+XqtxvUIixmtLp5Z4@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interesting ideas at Sony Labs: http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/IL/projects/blockjam = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 27 03:48:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9R8k4u26820; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:46:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:46:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Gear Dear Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:45:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went looking for the Control One--what was the story with that? and found this-- http://m-audio.com/products/m-audio/omnistudio_usb.php Wonder if it will make it to those of us with GAS-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 27 07:20:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9RCE5103267; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1067256836!4149547 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533BB5@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Duncan Spotted a Rare Bird Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:07:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39C82.F31420D0" Resent-Message-ID: <3wNDT.A.8y.NwQn_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39C82.F31420D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" well, apparently no-one else /was/ interested. I have secured the dod with one easy uncontested bid. so I get to play with it after all. I'll let you know what it's like and, for whatever it's worth, update the opinion on the site. d. -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: 22 October 2003 05:53 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Duncan Spotted a Rare Bird Here's some more info for those interested.. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/dimension12/D12.html John --- Relay wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2566435694 > Gary Lehmann > PS Never seen this one! > G > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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well, apparently no-one else /was/ interested. I have sec= ured the dod with one easy uncontested bid. so I get to play with it after = all. I'll let you know what it's like and, for whatever it's worth, update = the opinion on the site.

d.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com]
Sent: 22 October 2003 05:53
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Duncan Spotted a Rare Bird


Here's some more info for those interested..

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/dimensi= on12/D12.html

John

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>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?= ViewItem&item=3D2566435694
> Gary Lehmann
> PS  Never seen this one!
> G
>
>


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C39C82.F31420D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 27 21:44:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9S2h2f10437; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:43:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:43:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:42:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle, WA]: Travis Hartnett @ Penny Cafe, Tuesday 10/28 8PM From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <706747C0-08F0-11D8-B819-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-QO52D.A.-iC.2edn_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing at the Penny Cafe (1707 Market) in Ballard, this Tuesday at 8PM. Andrew Norsworthy, the singer-songwriter who normally shares the evening with me won't be there this week so it's an evening of me, me, me and my acoustic guitar looping, looping, looping. There's no cover, it's a no smoking venue, and there's ample parking there on the streets of sleepy Ballard. Be seeing you, Travis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 27 23:23:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9S4Kc706500; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:20:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.123ecf83.2ccf487d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:20:13 EST Subject: an observation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 99% of the music i listen to by choice is done by people that i have met and interacted with on some personal level.....n.p. " MOURNING GUESTS WHO NEVER ARRIVE" scott kungha drengsen.....earlier today "DREAMLAND" underwater, james sidlo, bobdog et al....."IN THE LOOP", gary regina....."TONGUE TONGUE", michael haumesser/chris wedertz....."HovR", anomalous disturbances.....the list is begining to go on and on.....I LIKE THIS, IT IS GOOD......thanks.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 02:26:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9S7MeF11800; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:22:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:22:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F9E1A57.4030709@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:27:19 -0800 From: Scott Kungha Drengsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: an observation References: <1e0.123ecf83.2ccf487d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THANK YOU !! Michael Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >99% of the music i listen to by choice is done by people that i have met and >interacted with on some personal level.....n.p. " MOURNING GUESTS WHO NEVER >ARRIVE" scott kungha drengsen.....earlier today "DREAMLAND" underwater, james >sidlo, bobdog et al....."IN THE LOOP", gary regina....."TONGUE TONGUE", michael >haumesser/chris wedertz....."HovR", anomalous disturbances.....the list is >begining to go on and on.....I LIKE THIS, IT IS GOOD......thanks.....michael > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 02:34:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9S7Xbj13076; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:33:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:33:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:33:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0981B7E9-0919-11D8-B819-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on. I like to have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily, without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc. And if I decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I always do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter. I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but maybe someday... TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 04:38:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9S9UXh32313; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:30:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:30:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:30:22 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5AB76356-0929-11D8-A2E7-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm sure other people here have done this by now , but i'm rather excited. i bought a Line 6 Echo Pro on a whim (it was cheap). i currently loop with a PCM-80, but i can't afford a second one right now so i thought i'd have a go at this. i plugged it into my mixer and my MIDI interface, and fired up Numerology (the coolest MIDI sequencer ever) and thought i'd have a go at it. i set up presets in Numerology that sent MIDI notes out to the Echo Pro, and then spent 40 minutes trying to figure out how the Line 6 unit handles the MIDI notes. it was confusing because some of them are momentary, some latch, and some are switches. Numerology has a preset (they're kind of like patterns, but it's different) list and i named the presets for the functions they'd trigger, and the program switches presets on the bar-line ... that's how the syncronisation works. bottom line: i can now do syncronised rhythmic loops with this combination. i think it sounds better than the Repeater did, as well. being able to go to half-speed or reverse _at_the_bar_line_ also pleases me to no end. the Repeater had reverse, and it kind of had half-speed ... but there was no way to quantise those functions like in the Echoplex. yes, it's mono. it's also only 200 bucks. i can live with that for 200 bucks. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 04:52:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9S9no302765; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:49:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:49:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C39D40.EB816760@dyn-195-242-73-226.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:46:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C39D40.EB890880" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C39D40.EB890880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable good to read this, this is also the way I'd like any looping machine to = work;=20 when improvising this should be the way. -----Message d'origine----- De: Travis [SMTP:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Date: mardi 28 octobre 2003 08:34 =C0: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having=20 to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could=20 start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it=20 does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on. I like to=20 have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before=20 hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily,=20 without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc. And if I=20 decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I always=20 do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to=20 clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter. I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but maybe=20 someday... 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Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:38:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:38:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:39:19 +0000 Subject: Re: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3150182360_454400_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3150182360_454400_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit There might be a way with the "switch quantize" feature where you can select the loop and then confirm? There may be a direct MIDI command. I'll go and have a look at my manual and try it out. j ---------- From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist Date: Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 7:33 am I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on. I like to have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily, without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc. And if I decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I always do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter. I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but maybe someday... TravisH --MS_Mac_OE_3150182360_454400_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist There might be a way with the "switch quantize" feature where you= can select the loop and then confirm? There may be a direct MIDI command. <= BR>
I'll go and have a look at my manual and try it out.

j


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From: Travis <tiktok@sprintmail.com>
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist
Date: Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 7:33 am


I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead= of having
to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could
start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on.  I like to=
have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before
hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily,
without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc.  And if I=
decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I always
do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to
clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter.

I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but maybe
someday...

TravisH





--MS_Mac_OE_3150182360_454400_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 10:26:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SFKd526114; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:20:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:20:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c39d67$aa18cc10$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <5AB76356-0929-11D8-A2E7-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:25:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com man, you're not having any problem with sync?! i bought an echo pro about six months ago for the reverse thing and it didn't sync for crap. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:30 AM Subject: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer > i'm sure other people here have done this by now , but i'm rather > excited. > > i bought a Line 6 Echo Pro on a whim (it was cheap). i currently loop > with a PCM-80, but i can't afford a second one right now so i thought > i'd have a go at this. > > i plugged it into my mixer and my MIDI interface, and fired up > Numerology (the coolest MIDI sequencer ever) and thought i'd have a go > at it. i set up presets in Numerology that sent MIDI notes out to the > Echo Pro, and then spent 40 minutes trying to figure out how the Line 6 > unit handles the MIDI notes. it was confusing because some of them are > momentary, some latch, and some are switches. Numerology has a preset > (they're kind of like patterns, but it's different) list and i named > the presets for the functions they'd trigger, and the program switches > presets on the bar-line ... that's how the syncronisation works. > > bottom line: i can now do syncronised rhythmic loops with this > combination. i think it sounds better than the Repeater did, as well. > being able to go to half-speed or reverse _at_the_bar_line_ also > pleases me to no end. the Repeater had reverse, and it kind of had > half-speed ... but there was no way to quantise those functions like in > the Echoplex. > > yes, it's mono. it's also only 200 bucks. i can live with that for 200 > bucks. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 10:46:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SFboL29334; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:37:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:37:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012801c39d6a$10ab93c0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <003101c39a53$6dbdbc60$0100a8c0@p4> Subject: Re: EDP in europe Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:42:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no chance of blowing them off and wholesaling them out to us, huh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ewen " To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: RE: EDP in europe > What has actually happened is that they, (Gibson) have stopped paying us > for the new EDPs that they ordered last year, (for reasons only known to > themselves) and we have 350 sitting in our warehouse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois LEBRUN [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr] > Sent: 24 October 2003 10:16 > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: EDP in europe > > > Hello, I have just received my EDP. > > I want to say thank you to all the european guys who replied > my mail and helped me locate the EDP, namely > Bruno from Roma Italy > Steve Lawson UK > Ian Petersen from Denmark > Leander Reininghaus from Germany > Alex from musikland-online.de in Germany who finally got the > deal > everybody was so helpful. > > During my search, I heard a rumor that Gibson is going to stop > making/selling EDPs soon. > Has anybody heard about that ? > > Regards > > Francois > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 11:15:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SG9mk04660; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:09:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:09:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c39d6d$f1f88ce0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <003101c39a53$6dbdbc60$0100a8c0@p4> <012801c39d6a$10ab93c0$69894682@lance> Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:10:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.253.147] at Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:09:40 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best way I know to encourage Gibson to move forward is to show DEMAND for these units - i.e show guaranteed $$$sales. A few years ago a pile almost complete EDP were in a California warehouse. Here's what we did: 1) Compiled a list of over 100 people who all committed to buy an EDP if (back then) they were completed; 2) Politely contacted Gibson with the list to let them know about the pent up demand; 3) Coordinated w/1 Retailer to take orders from this LoopersDelight list (simplifying Gibson's shipment/billing process w/orders in 1 place) 4) Politely thanked Gibson again. Perhaps someone in Europe could do something in along these lines? David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Chance" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: EDP in europe > no chance of blowing them off and wholesaling them out to us, huh? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Ewen " > To: > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:22 AM > Subject: RE: EDP in europe > > > > What has actually happened is that they, (Gibson) have stopped paying us > > for the new EDPs that they ordered last year, (for reasons only known to > > themselves) and we have 350 sitting in our warehouse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Francois LEBRUN [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr] > > Sent: 24 October 2003 10:16 > > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > > Subject: EDP in europe > > > > > > Hello, I have just received my EDP. > > > > I want to say thank you to all the european guys who replied > > my mail and helped me locate the EDP, namely > > Bruno from Roma Italy > > Steve Lawson UK > > Ian Petersen from Denmark > > Leander Reininghaus from Germany > > Alex from musikland-online.de in Germany who finally got the > > deal > > everybody was so helpful. > > > > During my search, I heard a rumor that Gibson is going to stop > > making/selling EDPs soon. > > Has anybody heard about that ? > > > > Regards > > > > Francois > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 11:28:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SGNAE07476; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:23:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c39d6f$d09a2700$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <01C39D40.EB816760@dyn-195-242-73-226.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:23:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.253.147] at Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:23:03 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <234Dq.A.p0B.tfpn_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a question for the EDP developers and manufacturers regarding the interface. I accept changing the faceplate and hardware interface of the EDP unit would be prohibitively difficult and uneconomical. But what about changes to the EDP footswitch/pedal? Is this possible? Perhaps this is an avenue for exploration? For example, is it possible to change the EDP footpedal design so it contains a second row of buttons that could be used to, for example, change presents, or jump to a particular loop? Essentially my idea is to use new buttons to directly access many features currently combined into the existing buttons. OK - just for discussion purposes, and without claiming these to be definitively great ideas, here are a few thoughts: ________________________________________________________ 1 2 3 4 5 6 Row 2 o o o o o o o bank* rev 1/2sp Beg End ? ? [copy of the edp visual window] <----- a luxury ! o o o o o o o Row 1 rec ovd mult ins mute undo nextloop ________________________________________________________ rev - allows direct access to Reverse, so Insert can also be accessed 1/2 - allows direct access to 1/2 speed conversion, so Insert can also be accessed Beg - defines beginning of a Loop Window End - defines end of a Loop Window ? - I dunno, what do you think would be a good idea? * Bank = allows changing function of Row2 buttons to directly access -- for example here are three "banks": - Presets (1-6) -- and for safety, Presets cannot be changed while a EDP contains a loop. - Nextloop (1-6) with 7, 8, 9, 10 , 11, 12 also accessible by tapping 6 then 1 = 7 6 then 2 = 8 6 then 3 = 9 etc.... - Tap Delay (1 = tap delay speed - 2 = 2/4 - 3 = 3/4 - 4 = 4/4 - 5 = 5/4 - 6 = 6/4) Adding visual info: Adding some LEDS to indicate which "bank" is operative would be nice too. A copy of the EDP "Visual Window" as on the EDP faceplate would be a luxury. OK -- is this even possible??? David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francois LEBRUN" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:46 AM Subject: RE: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist good to read this, this is also the way I'd like any looping machine to work; when improvising this should be the way. -----Message d'origine----- De: Travis [SMTP:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Date: mardi 28 octobre 2003 08:34 Ŕ: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on. I like to have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily, without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc. And if I decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I always do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter. I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but maybe someday... TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 11:32:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SGTdQ08590; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:29:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:29:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "c.white" Subject: Electrix Repeater/ sp808 for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.4.0.6 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:29:33 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f701c39d67$aa18cc10$69894682@lance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2yfhTC.A.FGC.ylpn_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com electrix repeater 650. orginal box and manual..in great shape. great price too! i own 3 of these and dont need 'em all! sp808 with anvil flight case..custom paint job..in great shape! 400 thanks! c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 11:39:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SGXEV09102; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:31:54 EST Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One point though. Why would I want to give my money to a company for a=20 product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not interested in what it i= s I wish=20 to buy? It's not like I'm buying a bag of confectionery here, these devices=20 cost good money. Where is the safety in the purchase IF assistance is needed= ?=20 Even if they do be so kind as to let me give them my hard-earned cash (aren'= t I=20 blessed) it's obvious they are going to disappear as rapidly as their=20 interest was raised if they do see a list of potential customers, obligation= s to=20 warrant/support included. Call me being picky here but it' not the kind of contract I generally like t= o=20 get involved with based on past experience regardless of the size of company= =20 being dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the money into the pockets of the=20 people that actually seem interested in the product if any can be found=20 associated with it. Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with ~=A3700 but that's about=20= 7=20 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of shareholders of a=20 company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the products survival. Peri= od! --part1_160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One point though. Why would I want to give my money to= a company for a product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not intere= sted in what it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm buying a bag of confecti= onery here, these devices cost good money. Where is the safety in the purcha= se IF assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as to let me give the= m my hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious they are going to disa= ppear as rapidly as their interest was raised if they do see a list of poten= tial customers, obligations to warrant/support included.

Call me being picky here but it' not the kind of contract I generally like t= o get involved with based on past experience regardless of the size of compa= ny being dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the money into the pockets of t= he people that actually seem interested in the product if any can be found a= ssociated with it.

Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with ~=A3700 but that's about=20= 7 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of shareholders of a=20= company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the products survival. Peri= od!
 --part1_160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 11:57:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SGqkX11669; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:52:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:52:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c39d73$f33a7400$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:53:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C39D4A.09DE2500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.253.147] at Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:52:39 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C39D4A.09DE2500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Link - I understand your frustration. If it is any consolation to you, = doing this last time was (I believe) in part helpful to encourage Gibson = to re-start EDP production -- which had stopped altogether then -- and = which they have continued since that time (1999??). =20 Speaking for myself, I bought my 1st EDP in 1996 when I heard rumours = Oberheim was going out of business. It was worth it to me because it = is/was so unique. Perhaps today you can find other options. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LinkTomlin@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units One point though. Why would I want to give my money to a company for a = product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not interested in what = it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm buying a bag of confectionery = here, these devices cost good money. Where is the safety in the purchase = IF assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as to let me give = them my hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious they are going = to disappear as rapidly as their interest was raised if they do see a = list of potential customers, obligations to warrant/support included. Call me being picky here but it' not the kind of contract I generally = like to get involved with based on past experience regardless of the = size of company being dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the money into = the pockets of the people that actually seem interested in the product = if any can be found associated with it. Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with ~=A3700 but that's = about 7 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of = shareholders of a company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the = products survival. Period! ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C39D4A.09DE2500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Link - I understand your = frustration.  If it=20 is any consolation to you, doing this last time was (I believe) in part = helpful=20 to encourage Gibson to re-start EDP production -- which had stopped = altogether=20 then -- and which they have continued since that time (1999??). =20
 
Speaking for myself, I bought my 1st = EDP in 1996=20 when I heard rumours Oberheim was going out of business.  It was = worth it=20 to me because it is/was so unique.  Perhaps today you can find = other=20 options.
 
David Kirkdorffer
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LinkTomlin@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 = 11:31=20 AM
Subject: Re: EDP in europe - = freeing 350=20 warehoused units

One point though. Why would I want to = give my money=20 to a company for a product, as good as it may be, that is obviously = not=20 interested in what it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm buying a bag = of=20 confectionery here, these devices cost good money. Where is the safety = in the=20 purchase IF assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as to let = me give=20 them my hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious they are = going to=20 disappear as rapidly as their interest was raised if they do see a = list of=20 potential customers, obligations to warrant/support = included.

Call me=20 being picky here but it' not the kind of contract I generally like to = get=20 involved with based on past experience regardless of the size of = company being=20 dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the money into the pockets of the = people=20 that actually seem interested in the product if any can be found = associated=20 with it.

Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with = ~=A3700 but=20 that's about 7 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of = shareholders of a company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the = products survival. = Period!
------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C39D4A.09DE2500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 11:58:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SGs6B11826; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:54:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:54:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <121.270c5d05.2ccff91b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:53:47 EST Subject: Fulltone Announces Custom Shop Tube Tape Echo and To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_121.270c5d05.2ccff91b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: <-QuK0B.A.m4C.u8pn_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_121.270c5d05.2ccff91b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it only has about 1 sec of delay but what the heck.....Click here: Harmony=20 Central=AE: Fulltone Announces Custom Shop Tube Tape Echo and Giveaway=20 --part1_121.270c5d05.2ccff91b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it only has about 1 sec=20= of delay but what the heck.....Click here: Harmony Central=AE: Fulltone Announ= ces Custom Shop Tube Tape Echo and Giveaway --part1_121.270c5d05.2ccff91b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 12:07:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SH2aR14779; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:02:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:02:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c39d74$ff40a660$df77f2c3@oemcomputer> From: "FrancoisL" To: References: <160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:00:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C39D7D.602339E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C39D7D.602339E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I must say I fully agree with this opinion. Even though the idea of showing that some buyers are interested was = good,=20 I must admit I have seen a few much more customer oriented behaviours = than that of MR Gibson currently, When I was having the same problem looking for a Boomerang a month ago,=20 I sent a mail to Mike Nelson, he replied 3 days later with all the good = info about 2 dealers in Europe who had just received some, and bingo, that was it ! As of today all I got from Gibson representatives (UK, Italy, France)=20 even though some were willing to help, was "we are currently = re-organising bla bla bla" first version of it was in June ! quite some time for a re-org !=20 My former (US) company decided to re-org in January, 3 weeks later we = were history :-( Francois ----- Message d'origine -----=20 De : LinkTomlin@aol.com=20 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Envoy=E9 : mardi 28 octobre 2003 17:31 Objet : Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units One point though. Why would I want to give my money to a company for a = product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not interested in what = it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm buying a bag of confectionery = here, these devices cost good money. Where is the safety in the purchase = IF assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as to let me give = them my hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious they are going = to disappear as rapidly as their interest was raised if they do see a = list of potential customers, obligations to warrant/support included. Call me being picky here but it' not the kind of contract I generally = like to get involved with based on past experience regardless of the = size of company being dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the money into = the pockets of the people that actually seem interested in the product = if any can be found associated with it. Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with ~=A3700 but that's = about 7 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of = shareholders of a company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the = products survival. Period! ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C39D7D.602339E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I must say I fully agree with this = opinion.
 
Even though the idea of showing that some=20 buyers are interested was good,
I must admit I have seen a few = much more=20 customer oriented behaviours than that of MR Gibson = currently,
 
When I was having the same problem looking for a = Boomerang a=20 month ago,
I sent a mail to Mike Nelson, he replied = 3=20 days later with all the good info about
2 dealers in Europe who had just received some, and = bingo,=20 that was it !
 
As of today all I got from Gibson representatives = (UK, Italy,=20 France)
even though some were willing to help, was "we are = currently=20 re-organising bla bla bla"
first version of it was in June ! quite some time = for=20 a re-org !
My former (US) company decided = to re-org=20 in January, 3 weeks later we were history :-(
 
Francois
----- Message d'origine -----
=C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Envoy=E9 : mardi 28 = octobre 2003=20 17:31
Objet : Re: EDP in europe - = freeing 350=20 warehoused units

One point though. Why would I want to give my = money to a=20 company for a product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not = interested=20 in what it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm buying a bag of = confectionery=20 here, these devices cost good money. Where is the safety in the = purchase IF=20 assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as to let me give = them my=20 hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious they are going to = disappear=20 as rapidly as their interest was raised if they do see a list of = potential=20 customers, obligations to warrant/support included.

Call me = being picky=20 here but it' not the kind of contract I generally like to get involved = with=20 based on past experience regardless of the size of company being dealt = with.=20 In fact, I'd rather put the money into the pockets of the people that = actually=20 seem interested in the product if any can be found associated with=20 it.

Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with ~=A3700 = but that's=20 about 7 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of = shareholders=20 of a company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the products = survival.=20 Period!
 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C39D7D.602339E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 12:16:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SHAoW16348; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:10:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:10:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <157.2698ecd5.2ccffcbd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:09:17 EST Subject: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.2698ecd5.2ccffcbd_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_157.2698ecd5.2ccffcbd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable interesting amplification system.....i called BOSE and you're looking at=20 about $2000 for an entire system: 1 tower, 1 stand (amp) and 1 bass=20 speaker.....i'll bet it's alot lighter than the mackie srm's.....:).....= Click here: Harmony=20 Central=AE: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound=20 --part1_157.2698ecd5.2ccffcbd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable interesting amplification= system.....i called BOSE and you're looking at about $2000 for an entire sy= stem: 1 tower, 1 stand (amp) and 1 bass speaker.....i'll bet it's alot light= er than the mackie srm's.....:).....Click here: Harmony Central=AE: Bose= Offers New Take on Live Sound --part1_157.2698ecd5.2ccffcbd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 12:43:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SHcaP21017; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:38:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:38:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c39d7a$5a2a5300$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa@aol.com> <002601c39d74$ff40a660$df77f2c3@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:38:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01C39D50.5EE4BFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.253.147] at Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:38:29 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C39D50.5EE4BFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Francois -- I sympathize completely with the frustration you feel. Sometimes the = bigger the company the longer it can take to re-organize -- and the = greater the potential for small product lines (like the EDP) to get lost = in the shuffle. =20 I'm just offering a possible way to move forward, for those that want to = do so. It's been dedicated user interest and cool software updates that = has kept this product alive so long. As they say, be careful you don't = throw out the baby with the bathwater. David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: FrancoisL=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units I must say I fully agree with this opinion. Even though the idea of showing that some buyers are interested was = good,=20 I must admit I have seen a few much more customer oriented behaviours = than that of MR Gibson currently, When I was having the same problem looking for a Boomerang a month = ago,=20 I sent a mail to Mike Nelson, he replied 3 days later with all the = good info about 2 dealers in Europe who had just received some, and bingo, that was it = ! As of today all I got from Gibson representatives (UK, Italy, France)=20 even though some were willing to help, was "we are currently = re-organising bla bla bla" first version of it was in June ! quite some time for a re-org !=20 My former (US) company decided to re-org in January, 3 weeks later we = were history :-( Francois ----- Message d'origine -----=20 De : LinkTomlin@aol.com=20 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Envoy=E9 : mardi 28 octobre 2003 17:31 Objet : Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units One point though. Why would I want to give my money to a company for = a product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not interested in = what it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm buying a bag of = confectionery here, these devices cost good money. Where is the safety = in the purchase IF assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as = to let me give them my hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious = they are going to disappear as rapidly as their interest was raised if = they do see a list of potential customers, obligations to = warrant/support included. Call me being picky here but it' not the kind of contract I = generally like to get involved with based on past experience regardless = of the size of company being dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the = money into the pockets of the people that actually seem interested in = the product if any can be found associated with it. Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with ~=A3700 but = that's about 7 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of = shareholders of a company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the = products survival. Period! ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C39D50.5EE4BFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Francois --
 
I sympathize completely with the = frustration you=20 feel.  Sometimes the bigger the company the longer it can take to=20 re-organize -- and the greater the potential for small product lines = (like the=20 EDP) to get lost in the shuffle. 
 
I'm just offering a possible way to = move forward,=20 for those that want to do so.  It's been dedicated user interest = and cool=20 software updates that has kept this product alive so long.   = As they=20 say, be careful you don't throw out the baby with the = bathwater.
 
David
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 FrancoisL=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 = 12:00=20 PM
Subject: Re: EDP in europe - = freeing 350=20 warehoused units

 
I must say I fully agree with this = opinion.
 
Even though the idea of showing that=20 some buyers are interested was good,
I must admit I have seen a = few much more=20 customer oriented behaviours than that of MR Gibson=20 currently,
 
When I was having the same problem looking for a = Boomerang a=20 month ago,
I sent a mail to Mike Nelson, he replied = 3 days later with all the good info about
2 dealers in Europe who had just received some, = and bingo,=20 that was it !
 
As of today all I got from Gibson representatives = (UK,=20 Italy, France)
even though some were willing to help, was "we are = currently=20 re-organising bla bla bla"
first version of it was in June ! quite some time = for=20 a re-org !
My former (US) company decided to re-org=20 in January, 3 weeks later we were history :-(
 
Francois
----- Message d'origine -----
=C0 : Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Envoy=E9 : mardi 28 = octobre 2003=20 17:31
Objet : Re: EDP in europe - = freeing 350=20 warehoused units

One point though. Why would I want to give my = money to a=20 company for a product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not=20 interested in what it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm buying a = bag of=20 confectionery here, these devices cost good money. Where is the = safety in=20 the purchase IF assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as = to let=20 me give them my hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious = they are=20 going to disappear as rapidly as their interest was raised if they = do see a=20 list of potential customers, obligations to warrant/support=20 included.

Call me being picky here but it' not the kind of = contract I=20 generally like to get involved with based on past experience = regardless of=20 the size of company being dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the = money into=20 the pockets of the people that actually seem interested in the = product if=20 any can be found associated with it.

Apologies for being such = a cynic=20 when parting with ~=A3700 but that's about 7 months rent here and = it's not=20 going into the wallets of shareholders of a company that obviously = doesn't=20 give a crap about the products survival.=20 Period!
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C39D50.5EE4BFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 12:44:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SHfnm21543; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:41:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:41:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist From: geoff smith2 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0981B7E9-0919-11D8-B819-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahhhhh yes the EDP wish list I recieved this from a french programmer looper who has been working on a piece of software (and finished it) to address some of the edp's limitations. This is what he said. .............. We used it for a show 2 weeks ago with no problem. It can work on a G4 800 mhz with something like 1go ram. It run on os X. The user can record, overdub, multiply, copy current loop in other loop, mute and this with three different loops. there's also an auto-fade function for long fade in or long fade out (one loop length max...). You can access to the different loops with next-loop, one clic for next-loop at the end of the loop and two clics for an immediate change of loop. It is possible to use two loops in row and then if you do next-loop, you go from A to B and B to A, or you can use it with the three loops in row, at each next-loop you go to the next loop : A B C A B C, etc... You can also access directly from A to C for example with the C key : One clic to change at the end of the current loop and two clics to change immediately... In the preferences, it is possible to choose the number of buffers per loop, ten max and the loop length with no limit (except your ram's limit !!-)...). As every overdub is recorded in a different buffer, you can undo step by step... You can route the outputs with a matrix to each of you soundcard outputs. You can also mute one or more voice or solo it... And lot of other features... ....................... He has basically created this to bypass the performance limitations of the edp. It sounds very cool, I am hoping he lets me have a look at it soon.... Hopefull Geoff p.s. my biggest personal wish is that the edp gets a new front panel as its existing one is outdated for the amount of parameters u need to access regularly. Ahh well midi control it is. on 28/10/03 7:33 am, Travis at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote: > I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having > to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could > start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it > does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on. I like to > have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before > hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily, > without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc. And if I > decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I always > do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to > clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter. > > I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but maybe > someday... > > TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 13:03:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SI1QH26623; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:01:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:01:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:01:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9SI1Po26599 Resent-Message-ID: <_glvFD.A.2fG.17qn_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This sounds great. And what is the software written in? Max/MSP? Other? On 10/28/03 12:47 PM, "geoff smith2" wrote: > Ahhhhh yes the EDP wish list > I recieved this from a french programmer looper who has been working on a > piece of software (and finished it) to address some of the edp's > limitations. > This is what he said. > .............. > We used it for a show 2 weeks ago with no problem. > > It can work on a G4 800 mhz with something like 1go ram. > > It run on os X. > > The user can record, overdub, multiply, copy current loop in other > loop, mute and this with three different loops. > > there's also an auto-fade function for long fade in or long fade out > (one loop length max...). > > You can access to the different loops with next-loop, one clic for > next-loop at the end of the loop and two clics for an immediate change > of loop. > > It is possible to use two loops in row and then if you do next-loop, > you go from A to B and B to A, or you can use it with the three loops > in row, at each next-loop you go to the next loop : A B C A B C, etc... > > You can also access directly from A to C for example with the C key : > One clic to change at the end of the current loop and two clics to > change immediately... > > In the preferences, it is possible to choose the number of buffers per > loop, ten max and the loop length with no limit (except your ram's > limit !!-)...). > > As every overdub is recorded in a different buffer, you can undo step > by step... You can route the outputs with a matrix to each of you > soundcard outputs. > You can also mute one or more voice or solo it... > > And lot of other features... > ....................... > He has basically created this to bypass the performance limitations of the > edp. It sounds very cool, I am hoping he lets me have a look at it soon.... > Hopefull > Geoff > > p.s. my biggest personal wish is that the edp gets a new front panel as its > existing one is outdated for the amount of parameters u need to access > regularly. Ahh well midi control it is. > > > > > on 28/10/03 7:33 am, Travis at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote: > >> I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having >> to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could >> start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it >> does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on. I like to >> have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before >> hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily, >> without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc. And if I >> decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I always >> do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to >> clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter. >> >> I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but maybe >> someday... >> >> TravisH >> > -- Todd Reynoldsą Nuove Uova 2 at Joeąs Pub Monday, November 10th, 9:30 PM New work for violin and electricity by Phil Kline, John King, Randall Woolf and Todd Reynolds with Performers David Cossin, Phil Kline and Jessie Stiles. Yąall come... http://www.joespub.com for reservations and tix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 13:50:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SIkuF02379; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:46:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.1bb6cbf7.2cd01342@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:45:22 EST Subject: EDP custom footpedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > For example, is it possible to change the EDP footpedal design so it > contains a second row of buttons that could be used to, for example, chan= > ge > presents, or jump to a particular loop? No. it's not possible. There's only one addition possible to the footpedal, and that would be to add a "Paramater" button. Then your footpedal would be exactly the same as the front panel buttons. To get those extra functions, the controller would have to send MIDI. To get the functions you want, get a MIDI footcontroller. Then you get those things you want, and you get to put them in the order you want. The Behringer FCB1010 doesn't cost much. Much less than your dream pedal would. > Beg - defines beginning of a Loop Window > End - defines end of a Loop Window those functions aren't on the EDP at all (but DO elaborate;-) > ? - I dunno, what do you think would be a good idea? > > * Bank =3D allows changing function of Row2 buttons to directly access --= > for > example here are three "banks": > - Presets (1-6) -- and for safety, Presets cannot be chan= > ged > while a EDP contains a loop. there's lot's of times you might want to change preset while the loop is running. Not least, when you start a loop, and then remember you should have changed the preset first. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 13:51:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SIlwh02571; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:47:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:36:26 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Boss DD-6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002e01c39d83$daf6f480$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200310281657.h9SGvLG12481@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know there have been several posts already about this groovy pearl-white stomp box, but let me join the others in saying this is one fun delay. I got one yesterday: excellent backwards sounds (cool different responses depending on the delay time), up to 5.2 seconds of delay/sample/loop, and the somewhat interesting "warp" feature (which maxxes out the regeneration and level when you hold the pedal down). AND the regeneration is slightly above unity, so it self oscillates! Waggling the delay length creates some cool glitches, too. Highly recommended - max bang per buck, premium pop per penny. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 13:59:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SIt1K04030; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:54:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <00f701c39d67$aa18cc10$69894682@lance> Thread-Index: AcOdZ1pgTj/CPRPrSrim1Yk7kGPo6wAHYNxQ Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <7yRVnB.A.1-.Furn_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The looper doesn't have midi sync. -----Original Message----- From: Lance Chance [mailto:lrc8918@louisiana.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer man, you're not having any problem with sync?! i bought an echo pro about six months ago for the reverse thing and it didn't sync for crap. lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 14:03:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SJ1AG06488; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:01:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:01:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:02:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3150212525_41513_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <2Mji9D.A.PlB.2zrn_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3150212525_41513_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Quite a lot of this is available as "Virtual buttons" or "Direct MIDI" in version 4 software. I have something like what you describe set up on my foot controller It works a treat for me. I have this set up with "palettes" of ten buttons at a time to do a selection of tasks, in a similar way to your suggestion. There are sets of memories that will send four messages at once which can be handy. (It's a Yamaha MFC10 which I find suits me better than the Behringer) >From my understanding of the footpedal it works by detecting the resistance/voltage when a switch is closed. Simple and quick. Hope this helps. j ---------- From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? Date: Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 4:23 pm I have a question for the EDP developers and manufacturers regarding the interface. I accept changing the faceplate and hardware interface of the ED= P unit would be prohibitively difficult and uneconomical. But what about changes to the EDP footswitch/pedal? Is this possible? Perhaps this is an avenue for exploration? For example, is it possible to change the EDP footpedal design so it contains a second row of buttons that could be used to, for example, change presents, or jump to a particular loop? Essentially my idea is to use new buttons to directly access many features currently combined into the existing buttons. OK - just for discussion purposes, and without claiming these to be definitively great ideas, here are a few thoughts: ________________________________________________________ 1 2 3 4 5 6 Row 2 o o o o o o o bank* rev 1/2sp Beg End ? ? [copy of the edp visual window] <----- a luxury ! o o o o o o o Row 1 rec ovd mult ins mute undo nextloop ________________________________________________________ rev - allows direct access to Reverse, so Insert can also be accessed 1/2 - allows direct access to 1/2 speed conversion, so Insert can also be accessed Beg - defines beginning of a Loop Window End - defines end of a Loop Window ? - I dunno, what do you think would be a good idea? * Bank =3D allows changing function of Row2 buttons to directly access -- for example here are three "banks": - Presets (1-6) -- and for safety, Presets cannot be change= d while a EDP contains a loop. - Nextloop (1-6) with 7, 8, 9, 10 , 11, 12 also accessible by tapping 6 then 1 =3D 7 6 then 2 =3D 8 6 then 3 =3D 9 etc...= . - Tap Delay (1 =3D tap delay speed - 2 =3D 2/4 - 3 =3D 3/4 - 4 =3D 4/4 - 5 =3D 5/4 - 6 =3D 6/4) Adding visual info: Adding some LEDS to indicate which "bank" is operative would be nice too. A copy of the EDP "Visual Window" as on the EDP faceplate would be a luxury= . OK -- is this even possible??? David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francois LEBRUN" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:46 AM Subject: RE: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist good to read this, this is also the way I'd like any looping machine to work; when improvising this should be the way. -----Message d'origine----- De: Travis [SMTP:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Date: mardi 28 octobre 2003 08:34 =C0: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on. I like to have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily, without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc. And if I decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I always do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter. I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but maybe someday... TravisH --MS_Mac_OE_3150212525_41513_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpe= dal?? Quite a lot of this is available as "Virtual buttons" or "Di= rect MIDI" in version 4 software. I have something like what you descri= be set up on my foot controller It works a treat for me.

I have this set up with "palettes" of ten buttons at a time to do= a selection of tasks, in a similar way to your suggestion. There are sets o= f memories that will send four messages at once which can be handy. (It's a = Yamaha MFC10 which I find suits me better than the Behringer)

>From my understanding of the footpedal it works by detecting the resistance= /voltage when a switch is closed. Simple and quick.

Hope this helps.

j

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From: "David" <vze2ncsr@verizon.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP foot= pedal??
Date: Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 4:23 pm


I have a question for the EDP developers and manufacturers = regarding the
interface. I accept changing the faceplate and hardware interface of the ED= P
unit would be prohibitively difficult and uneconomical.

But what about changes to the EDP footswitch/pedal?  Is this possible?=
Perhaps this is an avenue for exploration?

For example, is it possible to change the EDP footpedal design so it
contains a second row of buttons that could be used to, for example, change=
presents, or jump to a particular loop?  Essentially my idea is to use= new
buttons to directly access many features currently combined into the
existing buttons.

OK - just for discussion purposes, and without claiming these to be
definitively great ideas, here are a few thoughts:

________________________________________________________
            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;      1      &nb= sp;   2          = ; 3          4
5           6
Row 2         o    &= nbsp;      o      &nb= sp;   o          = ; o          o   = ;         o
o
            &nb= sp;    bank*    rev    &nb= sp; 1/2sp     Beg      End=          ?
?
            &nb= sp;           [copy o= f the edp visual window]  <----- a luxury !
            &nb= sp;      o       = ;    o         &= nbsp;o           o  &= nbsp;       o
o           o
Row 1       rec      = ;  ovd      mult     =    ins      mute    &= nbsp; undo
nextloop
________________________________________________________

rev - allows direct access to Reverse, so Insert can also be accessed
1/2 - allows direct access to 1/2 speed conversion, so Insert can also be accessed
Beg - defines beginning of a Loop Window
End - defines end of a Loop Window
? - I dunno, what do you think would be a good idea?

* Bank =3D allows changing function of Row2 buttons to directly access -- for=
example here are three "banks":
            &nb= sp;   - Presets (1-6) -- and for safety, Presets cannot be ch= anged
while a EDP contains a loop.
            &nb= sp;   - Nextloop (1-6)  with 7, 8, 9, 10 , 11, 12 also a= ccessible
by tapping
            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;     6 then 1 =3D 7
            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;     6 then 2 =3D 8
            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;     6 then 3 =3D 9 etc....
            &nb= sp;   - Tap Delay (1 =3D tap delay speed - 2 =3D 2/4 - 3 =3D 3/4 - = 4 =3D
4/4  - 5 =3D 5/4 - 6 =3D 6/4)

Adding visual info:
Adding some LEDS to indicate which "bank" is operative would be n= ice too.
A copy of the EDP "Visual Window" as on the EDP faceplate would b= e a luxury.

OK -- is this even possible???

David Kirkdorffer



----- Original Message -----
From: "Francois LEBRUN" <fr.lebrun@fr= ee.fr>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist



good to read this, this is also the way I'd like any looping machine to
work;
when improvising this should be the way.

-----Message d'origine-----
De: Travis [SMTP:tiktok@sprintmail.com]=
Date: mardi 28 octobre 2003 08:34
=C0: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist

I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having
to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could
start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it
does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on.  I like to=
have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before
hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily,
without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc.  And if I=
decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I always
do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to
clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter.

I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but maybe
someday...

TravisH






--MS_Mac_OE_3150212525_41513_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 14:07:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SJ3I606830; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:03:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:03:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.233.97.233] X-Originating-Email: [thisknight@hotmail.com] From: "Jake Knight" To: References: <200310281657.h9SGvLG12481@hemlock.violacea.com> <002e01c39d83$daf6f480$1912be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Boss DD-6 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:06:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2003 19:03:11.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[2202E760:01C39D86] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How different is it from the DD-5? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:36 AM Subject: Boss DD-6 > I know there have been several posts already about this groovy pearl-white > stomp box, but let me join the others in saying this is one fun delay. I got > one yesterday: excellent backwards sounds (cool different responses > depending on the delay time), up to 5.2 seconds of delay/sample/loop, and > the somewhat interesting "warp" feature (which maxxes out the regeneration > and level when you hold the pedal down). AND the regeneration is slightly > above unity, so it self oscillates! Waggling the delay length creates some > cool glitches, too. Highly recommended - max bang per buck, premium pop per > penny. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 14:16:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SJCIc08512; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:12:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:12:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C39D8F.7B666C60@dyn-195-242-119-223.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:09:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C39D8F.7B6E0D80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C39D8F.7B6E0D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes David, that's why I think your idea is good. I'll forward it to the french dealer who was supposed to etc etc ... I also know that some other EDP interested european guys are on the DL = and have for sure read your idea.=20 I hope we in Europe shall be able to organise ourselves, and obtain good = results. All the best=20 Francois -----Message d'origine----- De: David [SMTP:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Date: mardi 28 octobre 2003 18:38 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units Francois -- I sympathize completely with the frustration you feel. Sometimes the = bigger the company the longer it can take to re-organize -- and the = greater the potential for small product lines (like the EDP) to get lost = in the shuffle. =20 I'm just offering a possible way to move forward, for those that want to = do so. It's been dedicated user interest and cool software updates that = has kept this product alive so long. As they say, be careful you don't = throw out the baby with the bathwater. David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: FrancoisL=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units I must say I fully agree with this opinion. Even though the idea of showing that some buyers are interested was = good,=20 I must admit I have seen a few much more customer oriented behaviours = than that of MR Gibson currently, When I was having the same problem looking for a Boomerang a month = ago,=20 I sent a mail to Mike Nelson, he replied 3 days later with all the = good info about 2 dealers in Europe who had just received some, and bingo, that was it = ! As of today all I got from Gibson representatives (UK, Italy, France)=20 even though some were willing to help, was "we are currently = re-organising bla bla bla" first version of it was in June ! quite some time for a re-org !=20 My former (US) company decided to re-org in January, 3 weeks later we = were history :-( Francois ----- Message d'origine -----=20 De : LinkTomlin@aol.com=20 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Envoy=E9 : mardi 28 octobre 2003 17:31 Objet : Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units One point though. Why would I want to give my money to a company for = a product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not interested in = what it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm buying a bag of = confectionery here, these devices cost good money. Where is the safety = in the purchase IF assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as = to let me give them my hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious = they are going to disappear as rapidly as their interest was raised if = they do see a list of potential customers, obligations to = warrant/support included. Call me being picky here but it' not the kind of contract I = generally like to get involved with based on past experience regardless = of the size of company being dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the = money into the pockets of the people that actually seem interested in = the product if any can be found associated with it. Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with ~=A3700 but = that's about 7 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of = shareholders of a company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the = products survival. 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BgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwAN NP03AADlaw== ------ =_NextPart_000_01C39D8F.7B6E0D80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 14:18:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SJDm408783; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:13:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:13:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c39d87$e6630260$68cc86d9@aoldsl.net> From: "Gareth Hardwick" To: References: <200310281657.h9SGvLG12481@hemlock.violacea.com> <002e01c39d83$daf6f480$1912be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Boss DD-6 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:10:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, it's pretty cool. i used to use one in conjunction with my RC-20 loop station, but it has now been replaced by a DD-20! Gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: Boss DD-6 > I know there have been several posts already about this groovy pearl-white > stomp box, but let me join the others in saying this is one fun delay. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 14:20:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SJH8Z09427; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:17:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:17:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Boss DD-6 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:16:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000201c39d87$e6630260$68cc86d9@aoldsl.net> Thread-Index: AcOdh6m3lRESaymwS2eQLLgJ/jLfegAADEAg Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This pedal has its own character that for some reason I keep finding I can't live without - It always finds its way back into my pedal board some how because of a particular song my band plays that I used the DD-6 in on the demo. -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Hardwick [mailto:gareth@olympia50.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-6 yeah, it's pretty cool. i used to use one in conjunction with my RC-20 loop station, but it has now been replaced by a DD-20! Gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: Boss DD-6 > I know there have been several posts already about this groovy pearl-white > stomp box, but let me join the others in saying this is one fun delay. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 14:21:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SJI4u09622; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:18:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Boss DD-6 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:17:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcOdhjXIVXrMYJXMQ8y23zDo0GOibAAAd3YA Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the main difference is that you can get 5.2 seconds out of it and the warp function - I am not sure if the DD-5 has these functions? -----Original Message----- From: Jake Knight [mailto:thisknight@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-6 How different is it from the DD-5? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 14:34:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SJT5911396; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:29:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:29:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:28:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <157.2698ecd5.2ccffcbd@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > interesting amplification system.....i called BOSE and you're looking > at about $2000 for an entire system: 1 tower, 1 stand (amp) and 1 bass > speaker.....i'll bet it's alot lighter than the mackie srm's.....:) > .....Click here: Harmony Central®: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound I saw that mentioned on the jazz guitar Usenet group. Bose has a "contest" where the "winners" get a free system to go out on the road and promote the system (for free). I don't know... maybe it's a revolutionary advancement, but Bose isn't exactly a respected name in live sound (that's putting it mildly). One potential problem I can see is added feedback problems with acoustic instruments and vocal mics. When I'm playing acoustic guitar instead of electric, I can at least angle my Mackie SRM450's so they don't point right at my guitar, and make feedback control worse. I don't see how this "radiant" system will be able to avoid making feedback on stage worse than it is with more direct-throw speaker systems. I also don't get the idea of putting the mains in the backline. Check out the graphic at the top of this page from the Bose web site, for the suggested arrangement onstage: http://tinyurl.com/sqfr Sound volume follows the inverse square law for distance. Wouldn't you have to run the thing painfully loud for the musicians, in order to get enough SPL's in the back of the room for the audience? Well, that's my initial take, and I'm a natural skeptic. Maybe this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. We need some real-world user reviews. -- MIke Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 14:45:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SJfFh13713; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:41:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:41:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:47:06 +0000 Subject: Re: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Geoffrey Smith To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <82BED567-097F-11D8-AD47-000393DBBD02@btopenworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9SJfFo13684 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah I believe so. the guys name is phillippe Olliver(wrong spelling) and he is showing the software at the IRCAM forum on the 22nd(will confirm) I am not on the right computer at the moment so u will have to excuse my terrible memory!! however I will post the correct details when I get home. He works with a clarinetist called Michael Almount(again my memory is a bit sketchy) but he has developed this software to get around certain limitations of the edp. G On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 06:01 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > This sounds great. And what is the software written in? Max/MSP? > Other? > > > On 10/28/03 12:47 PM, "geoff smith2" > wrote: > >> Ahhhhh yes the EDP wish list >> I recieved this from a french programmer looper who has been working >> on a >> piece of software (and finished it) to address some of the edp's >> limitations. >> This is what he said. >> .............. >> We used it for a show 2 weeks ago with no problem. >> >> It can work on a G4 800 mhz with something like 1go ram. >> >> It run on os X. >> >> The user can record, overdub, multiply, copy current loop in other >> loop, mute and this with three different loops. >> >> there's also an auto-fade function for long fade in or long fade out >> (one loop length max...). >> >> You can access to the different loops with next-loop, one clic for >> next-loop at the end of the loop and two clics for an immediate change >> of loop. >> >> It is possible to use two loops in row and then if you do next-loop, >> you go from A to B and B to A, or you can use it with the three loops >> in row, at each next-loop you go to the next loop : A B C A B C, >> etc... >> >> You can also access directly from A to C for example with the C key : >> One clic to change at the end of the current loop and two clics to >> change immediately... >> >> In the preferences, it is possible to choose the number of buffers per >> loop, ten max and the loop length with no limit (except your ram's >> limit !!-)...). >> >> As every overdub is recorded in a different buffer, you can undo step >> by step... You can route the outputs with a matrix to each of you >> soundcard outputs. >> You can also mute one or more voice or solo it... >> >> And lot of other features... >> ....................... >> He has basically created this to bypass the performance limitations >> of the >> edp. It sounds very cool, I am hoping he lets me have a look at it >> soon.... >> Hopefull >> Geoff >> >> p.s. my biggest personal wish is that the edp gets a new front panel >> as its >> existing one is outdated for the amount of parameters u need to access >> regularly. Ahh well midi control it is. >> >> >> >> >> on 28/10/03 7:33 am, Travis at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote: >> >>> I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having >>> to define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could >>> start with just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way >>> it >>> does now (copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on. I like >>> to >>> have pieces with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before >>> hand, and I want to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily, >>> without having to step through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc. And if >>> I >>> decide I want five loops, and I've got the free memory (which I >>> always >>> do), I wish I could move to loop 5 (for example) without having to >>> clear everything out and reset the MoreLoops parameter. >>> >>> I suspect this isn't possible with the current architecture, but >>> maybe >>> someday... >>> >>> TravisH >>> >> > > -- > Todd Reynolds’ Nuove Uova 2 at Joe’s Pub > > Monday, November 10th, 9:30 PM > > New work for violin and electricity by Phil Kline, John King, Randall > Woolf > and Todd Reynolds with Performers David Cossin, Phil Kline and Jessie > Stiles. > > Y’all come... http://www.joespub.com for reservations and tix > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 15:10:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SK0PS17395; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:00:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:00:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <121.270c5d05.2ccff91b@aol.com> References: <121.270c5d05.2ccff91b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:00:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Fulltone Announces Custom Shop Tube Tape Echo and Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone actually going to pay a grand for a tape delay?? I suppose some people out there will, otherwise Fuller wouldn't have built the thing. But it's not in my budget, that's for sure. I'd gladly take the free one, of course. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 15:12:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SK8pA18605; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:08:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:08:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:26:53 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Boss DD-6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Jake Knight Message-id: <000001c39d8f$4dd08060$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How different is it from the DD-5? The ONE feature that made the deal for me is the reverse sound. The DD-5 has the reverse mixed with the forward sound. The DD-6 can create an all-reverse, no-real-time mix. There may be other differences. Go to Harmony Central or Boss and compare. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 15:15:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SKBeX18937; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:11:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:11:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15.1b45c320.2cd02734@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:10:28 EST Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have this set up with "palettes" of ten buttons at a time to do a > selection of tasks, in a similar way to your suggestion. There are sets of > memories that will send four messages at once which can be handy. (It's a > Yamaha MFC10 which I find suits me better than the Behringer) the MFC10 has a delay of almost 100ms between hitting the switch, and sending the command. ...so beware, it won't do "in time" andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 15:27:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SKP0r20595; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: 28 Oct 2003 20:23:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20031028202338.2676.qmail@webmail2.knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound References: <> In-Reply-To: <> X-Mailer: Knology Webmail Nov 2001 Release X-IPAddress: 198.78.253.20 X-Sender: paulrichard10@knology.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course, Bose gear is overpriced by a large factor. In my opinion, around four or five times. The Bose Table Radio w/CD (which I was stupid enough to purchase) sounds good as a radio (fair as a CD) but...I purchased a $130 Sony mini-rig at a Wal-mart that blows it away. Just my opinion. I could be wrong... Regards, Paul On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:28:06 -0800, "Mike Barrs" wrote : > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > > > interesting amplification system.....i called BOSE and you're looking > > at about $2000 for an entire system: 1 tower, 1 stand (amp) and 1 bass > > speaker.....i'll bet it's alot lighter than the mackie srm's.....:) > > .....Click here: Harmony Central®: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound > > I saw that mentioned on the jazz guitar Usenet group. Bose has a "contest" > where the "winners" get a free system to go out on the road and promote the > system (for free). > > I don't know... maybe it's a revolutionary advancement, but Bose isn't > exactly a respected name in live sound (that's putting it mildly). > > One potential problem I can see is added feedback problems with acoustic > instruments and vocal mics. When I'm playing acoustic guitar instead of > electric, I can at least angle my Mackie SRM450's so they don't point right > at my guitar, and make feedback control worse. I don't see how this > "radiant" system will be able to avoid making feedback on stage worse than > it is with more direct-throw speaker systems. > > I also don't get the idea of putting the mains in the backline. Check out > the graphic at the top of this page from the Bose web site, for the > suggested arrangement onstage: > > http://tinyurl.com/sqfr > > Sound volume follows the inverse square law for distance. Wouldn't you have > to run the thing painfully loud for the musicians, in order to get enough > SPL's in the back of the room for the audience? > > Well, that's my initial take, and I'm a natural skeptic. Maybe this is the > greatest thing since sliced bread. We need some real-world user reviews. > > -- > MIke Barrs > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 15:28:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SKOnw20541; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: 28 Oct 2003 20:23:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20031028202327.2632.qmail@webmail2.knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound References: <> In-Reply-To: <> X-Mailer: Knology Webmail Nov 2001 Release X-IPAddress: 198.78.253.20 X-Sender: paulrichard10@knology.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <_RKZ8.A.yAF.RCtn_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course, Bose gear is overpriced by a large factor. In my opinion, around four or five times. The Bose Table Radio w/CD (which I was stupid enough to purchase) sounds good as a radio (fair as a CD) but...I purchased a $130 Sony mini-rig at a Wal-mart that blows it away. Just my opinion. I could be wrong... Regards, Paul On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:28:06 -0800, "Mike Barrs" wrote : > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > > > interesting amplification system.....i called BOSE and you're looking > > at about $2000 for an entire system: 1 tower, 1 stand (amp) and 1 bass > > speaker.....i'll bet it's alot lighter than the mackie srm's.....:) > > .....Click here: Harmony Central®: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound > > I saw that mentioned on the jazz guitar Usenet group. Bose has a "contest" > where the "winners" get a free system to go out on the road and promote the > system (for free). > > I don't know... maybe it's a revolutionary advancement, but Bose isn't > exactly a respected name in live sound (that's putting it mildly). > > One potential problem I can see is added feedback problems with acoustic > instruments and vocal mics. When I'm playing acoustic guitar instead of > electric, I can at least angle my Mackie SRM450's so they don't point right > at my guitar, and make feedback control worse. I don't see how this > "radiant" system will be able to avoid making feedback on stage worse than > it is with more direct-throw speaker systems. > > I also don't get the idea of putting the mains in the backline. Check out > the graphic at the top of this page from the Bose web site, for the > suggested arrangement onstage: > > http://tinyurl.com/sqfr > > Sound volume follows the inverse square law for distance. Wouldn't you have > to run the thing painfully loud for the musicians, in order to get enough > SPL's in the back of the room for the audience? > > Well, that's my initial take, and I'm a natural skeptic. Maybe this is the > greatest thing since sliced bread. We need some real-world user reviews. > > -- > MIke Barrs > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 15:29:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SKPTO20692; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:25:27 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c39d91$9fe8aab0$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C39D91.9FE8AAB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C39D91.9FE8AAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don=92t really think you understand the whole philosophy behind the = EDP. It is only through the passion of two of the original designers, Kim & Matthias that it is still in production today. Gibson has never really been interested in it as the market is just so tiny compared to guitars. This hasn=92t stopped Kim, Matthias and many other LD members from providing help, advice and fixes for any problems users may have, not to mention continued software development. This support is very rare for any product in any market. I try to help customers with problems; sending out parts and mailing info. We don=92t get paid by Gibson for = any service work on EDPs new or old and I actually pay for shipping spares out of my own pocket. This is because I=92ve been involved in making it for 5 years and met many really good people because of it; Matthias has stayed with me a number of times, he=92s a great bloke and a good = friend. =20 The result of getting Gibson to sort this mess out and get the EDPs out there would be to help our very small company to keep our heads above water. We have no shareholders or board of directors; there=92s just me Simon and Ian running things and a few good engineers who put everything together. The interest charges on the debt from Gibson alone have pretty much wiped out any profit we may have made on the deal. Kim & Matthias would also get paid the software royalties that they are owed and allow them to continue development. =20 These EDPs will get to market; that=92s a certainty. Whether it be via Gibson channels or other means is questionable, but it has to happen soon.=20 Anyone got a spare =A3150000? They=92re yours. =20 Oh, and I=92m getting some badges made up, =91free the 350!=92=20 Gotta keep smiling :-) =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: LinkTomlin@aol.com [mailto:LinkTomlin@aol.com]=20 Sent: 28 October 2003 16:32 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units =20 One point though. Why would I want to give my money to a company for a product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not interested in what it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm buying a bag of confectionery here, these devices cost good money. Where is the safety in the purchase IF assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as to let me give them my hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious they are going to disappear as rapidly as their interest was raised if they do see a list of potential customers, obligations to warrant/support included. Call me being picky here but it' not the kind of contract I generally like to get involved with based on past experience regardless of the size of company being dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the money into the pockets of the people that actually seem interested in the product if any can be found associated with it. Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with ~=A3700 but that's about 7 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of shareholders of a company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the products survival. Period! ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C39D91.9FE8AAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don’t = really think you understand the whole philosophy behind the EDP. It is only = through the passion of two of the original designers, Kim & Matthias that it = is still in production today. Gibson has never really been interested in it = as the market is just so tiny compared to guitars. This hasn’t stopped = Kim, Matthias and many other LD members from providing help, advice and fixes = for any problems users may have, not to mention continued software = development. This support is very rare for any product in any market. I try to help = customers with problems; sending out parts and mailing info. We don’t get = paid by Gibson for any service work on EDPs new or old and I actually pay for shipping = spares out of my own pocket. This is because I’ve been involved in making = it for 5 years and met many really good people because of it; Matthias has = stayed with me a number of times, he’s a great bloke and a good = friend.

=A0

The result of getting Gibson to = sort this mess out and get the EDPs out there would be to help our very small = company to keep our heads above water. We have no shareholders or board of = directors; there’s just me Simon and Ian running things and a few good = engineers who put everything together. The interest charges on the debt from Gibson = alone have pretty much wiped out any profit we may have made on the deal. Kim & = Matthias would also get paid the software royalties that they are owed and allow = them to continue development.

 

These EDPs will get to market; = that’s a certainty. Whether it be via Gibson channels or other means is = questionable, but it has to happen soon.

Anyone got a spare =A3150000? = They’re yours.

 

Oh, and I’m getting some = badges made up, ‘free the 350!’

Gotta keep smiling = <= span style=3D'mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>J<= /span>

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: LinkTomlin@aol.com [mailto:LinkTomlin@aol.com]
Sent: 28 October 2003 = 16:32
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP in = europe - freeing 350 warehoused units

 

One point though. Why would = I want to give my money to a company for a product, as good as it may be, that = is obviously not interested in what it is I wish to buy? It's not like I'm = buying a bag of confectionery here, these devices cost good money. Where is the = safety in the purchase IF assistance is needed? Even if they do be so kind as = to let me give them my hard-earned cash (aren't I blessed) it's obvious they = are going to disappear as rapidly as their interest was raised if they do see a = list of potential customers, obligations to warrant/support included.

Call me being picky here but it' not the kind of contract I generally = like to get involved with based on past experience regardless of the size of = company being dealt with. In fact, I'd rather put the money into the pockets of = the people that actually seem interested in the product if any can be found associated with it.

Apologies for being such a cynic when parting with ~=A3700 but that's = about 7 months rent here and it's not going into the wallets of shareholders of = a company that obviously doesn't give a crap about the products survival. = Period!

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C39D91.9FE8AAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 15:48:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SKhnE23480; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:43:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:43:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031028204342.8662.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Boss DD-6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000201c39d87$e6630260$68cc86d9@aoldsl.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Gareth Hardwick wrote: > yeah, it's pretty cool. i used to use one in conjunction with my RC-20 loop > station, but it has now been replaced by a DD-20! What are the differences between the DD-20 and the DD-6? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 15:53:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SKo0m24679; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:50:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:50:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031028204958.1578.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:49:58 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mike Barrs wrote: > I don't know... maybe it's a revolutionary advancement, but Bose isn't > exactly a respected name in live sound (that's putting it mildly). For SURE! And from the ones I've heard, their stuff deserves every bit of contempt that it receives. > One potential problem I can see is added feedback problems with acoustic > instruments and vocal mics. When I'm playing acoustic guitar instead of > electric, I can at least angle my Mackie SRM450's so they don't point right > at my guitar, and make feedback control worse. I don't see how this > "radiant" system will be able to avoid making feedback on stage worse than > it is with more direct-throw speaker systems. > > I also don't get the idea of putting the mains in the backline. Check out > the graphic at the top of this page from the Bose web site, for the > suggested arrangement onstage: > > http://tinyurl.com/sqfr > > Sound volume follows the inverse square law for distance. Wouldn't you have > to run the thing painfully loud for the musicians, in order to get enough > SPL's in the back of the room for the audience? Yeah, absolutely right! So you have a bunch of deaf musicians with a buncha feedback. I'm sure they have some kind of "optimal solution", like using contact piezos and running instruments direct instead of using mics. > Well, that's my initial take, and I'm a natural skeptic. Maybe this is the > greatest thing since sliced bread. Good luck. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 16:41:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SLbuh00674; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:37:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:37:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00f701c39d67$aa18cc10$69894682@lance> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Lance Chance wrote: > man, you're not having any problem with sync?! i bought an echo pro > about > six months ago for the reverse thing and it didn't sync for crap. On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 12:54 PM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > The looper doesn't have midi sync. no, it does not sync by itself. some of you may remember i was the first person to bring this list the bad news that it doesn't, after a phone call with an extremely rude person at Line 6. however, the Echo Pro looper is controllable through MIDI notes. that's what my post was about. i used a laptop with a MIDI sequencer to send the appropriate MIDI note messages required to syncronise the looper on the unit. this is easier than how i get rhythmic control out of the PCM-80: by an obtuse arrangement of modulation scaling and tempo mathematics. you may ask "but silly Suit & Tie Guy, why would you bother jumping through such hoops?" and i would answer "because now i have 2 hi-fidelity loopers with balanced connections in the space which used to house my Repeater." --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 16:50:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SLmOf02714; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:48:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:48:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c39d9d$d55416b0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:52:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah, i see, i was talking about the rest of the delays and how they (don't) sync. i'll try this sequencer note message method. thanks for the heads up lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer > On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Lance Chance wrote: > > man, you're not having any problem with sync?! i bought an echo pro > > about > > six months ago for the reverse thing and it didn't sync for crap. > > On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 12:54 PM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > > The looper doesn't have midi sync. > > no, it does not sync by itself. > > some of you may remember i was the first person to bring this list the > bad news that it doesn't, after a phone call with an extremely rude > person at Line 6. > > however, the Echo Pro looper is controllable through MIDI notes. that's > what my post was about. i used a laptop with a MIDI sequencer to send > the appropriate MIDI note messages required to syncronise the looper on > the unit. > > this is easier than how i get rhythmic control out of the PCM-80: by an > obtuse arrangement of modulation scaling and tempo mathematics. > > you may ask "but silly Suit & Tie Guy, why would you bother jumping > through such hoops?" and i would answer "because now i have 2 > hi-fidelity loopers with balanced connections in the space which used > to house my Repeater." > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 28 17:35:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9SMWjt10612; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:32:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:32:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031028223239.61874.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:32:39 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: OT: malletkat on ebay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003201c39d6f$d09a2700$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-769743111-1067380359=:60756" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-769743111-1067380359=:60756 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii for those of you wishing to loop acoustic percussion but hating the microphone issues... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2568593716&category=41458 thanks for tolerating... -jim --0-769743111-1067380359=:60756 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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-jim

--0-769743111-1067380359=:60756-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 05:51:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TAgw722022; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:42:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:42:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:43:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3150268986_263747_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3150268986_263747_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Andy, that's useful to know and I'll watch out for it. I tend to use the EDP with it's own footswitch for "on the money stuff" so haven't found a problem... yet. best wishes j ---------- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? Date: Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 8:10 pm > I have this set up with "palettes" of ten buttons at a time to do a > selection of tasks, in a similar way to your suggestion. There are sets of > memories that will send four messages at once which can be handy. (It's a > Yamaha MFC10 which I find suits me better than the Behringer) the MFC10 has a delay of almost 100ms between hitting the switch, and sending the command. ...so beware, it won't do "in time" andy butler --MS_Mac_OE_3150268986_263747_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP  =  footpedal?? Thanks Andy,  that's useful to know and I'll watch out for it. I tend = to use the EDP with it's own footswitch for "on the money stuff" s= o haven't found a problem... yet.

best wishes

j

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From: SoundFNR@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP &nbs= p; footpedal??
Date: Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 8:10 pm


> I have this set up with "palettes" of ten bu= ttons at a time to do a
>  selection of tasks, in a similar way to your suggestion. There a= re sets of
>  memories that will send four messages at once which can be handy= . (It's a
>  Yamaha MFC10 which I find suits me better than the Behringer)
the MFC10 has a delay of almost 100ms between
hitting the switch, and sending the command.

...so beware, it won't do "in time"

andy butler





--MS_Mac_OE_3150268986_263747_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 07:22:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TCJ4d13204; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:19:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:19:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:18:52 +0000 Subject: evangelize EDP please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0EDFFF88-0A0A-11D8-BDE3-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Assuming that some people are using both the EDP and Repeater, can someone evangelize a bit about the EDP for me? - or maybe make a few comparisons... I'm tempted to buy an EDP (if I can find one), but as I already use the Repeater, I'm having difficulty justifying it as opposed to buying a new guitar or whatever... Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 10:02:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TEtEe22394; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:55:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:55:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c39e2c$7c0444b0$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <0EDFFF88-0A0A-11D8-BDE3-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:53:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have 3 Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Greenstein" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: evangelize EDP please > Assuming that some people are using both the EDP and Repeater, can > someone evangelize a bit about the EDP for me? - or maybe make a few > comparisons... > > I'm tempted to buy an EDP (if I can find one), but as I already use the > Repeater, I'm having difficulty justifying it as opposed to buying a > new guitar or whatever... > > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 10:45:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TFgHM01009; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:42:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:42:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ee01c39e33$db0ed950$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <0EDFFF88-0A0A-11D8-BDE3-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> <002301c39e2c$7c0444b0$0100a8c0@mini> Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:46:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you may well regret asking this question. i have talked ceaselessly about this specific topic for years with anyone who would listen and a few who wouldn't. this is a subject to which i have devoted huge amounts of study and thought. i own both, and after a couple of years of comparisons, i have to say that the edp is a more intrensically "musical" piece of gear. in fact, i would refer to the edp as an instrument whereas i would refer to the repeater as gear. the audio clarity and tone of the edp is smoother and it seems like has the ability to faithfully loop input with a wider range of amplitude dynamics than the repeater. the repeater is noisier, no where near as smooth at the loop point, is more awkward in interface, and infinately more versitile (go figure). the foot pedal configuration was also simpler on the edp (for me, anyway). i find the repeater more difficult to use in a studio environment, where it's stutters and fluttery artifacts are much more apparent than in a live venue. if i had to drop one, i guess it would be the repeater, because though it can do a whole lot more, the work that i have done with my edp and just my guitar is much more professional sounding than the work i have done with the repeater. so, despite not being able to even twist the durn delay time (grrrr) on the edp, for me it finally came down to sound quality. the edp sounds awesome. no doubt. it is warm and full and loops without the slightest hint of a pop. i make a lot of textural soundscapes and this thing about pops at the loop point is almost a tie breaker right off the bat, for me. if you are an ebow player, i bet that you know what i am talking about. i say get the edp. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please > I have 3 > Claude > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Greenstein" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:18 PM > Subject: evangelize EDP please > > > > Assuming that some people are using both the EDP and Repeater, can > > someone evangelize a bit about the EDP for me? - or maybe make a few > > comparisons... > > > > I'm tempted to buy an EDP (if I can find one), but as I already use the > > Repeater, I'm having difficulty justifying it as opposed to buying a > > new guitar or whatever... > > > > Paul > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 10:54:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TFkLj02236; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:46:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:46:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:46:10 +0000 Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002301c39e2c$7c0444b0$0100a8c0@mini> Message-Id: <0487EABF-0A27-11D8-9B82-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I get the picture, but I'm trying to clarify what the EDP does that the Repeater doesn't... Paul On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 02:53 pm, Claude Voit wrote: > I have 3 > Claude > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Greenstein" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:18 PM > Subject: evangelize EDP please > > >> Assuming that some people are using both the EDP and Repeater, can >> someone evangelize a bit about the EDP for me? - or maybe make a few >> comparisons... >> >> I'm tempted to buy an EDP (if I can find one), but as I already use >> the >> Repeater, I'm having difficulty justifying it as opposed to buying a >> new guitar or whatever... >> >> Paul >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 11:24:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TGIDv10192; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:18:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:18:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Andre Sez . . . (was: Re: evangelize EDP please--shouldn't that be rhapsodize?) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:17:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <0487EABF-0A27-11D8-9B82-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want an example of how the EDP is a deeper tool than the Repeater, listen to Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/muso.html Here's a quote: "By throwing a semi-haphazard series of musical events at the EDP, and by using various EDP functions to further randomize and tweak those events, it becomes a very different sort of process for me: less a case of dealing with static repetitions of an idea I've already played, and more of a dialogue with a seperate musical entity. Hearing an initial idea re-contextualized in such a manner is a very liberating thing, because one of the fundamental challenges of any composition or improvisation is, "Where do I start? Out of all of the possible that could happen right now, what should I do?" Having the EDP spit an unexpected slab of sound back at me is a very immediate and inspiring way of answering that question: "HERE'S where I can start. And here are some possibilities that I never would have thought to play (or been able to play in the first place!) if I hadn't stomped on the Insert button a few dozen times, or flipped the loop into Half Speed, or semi-randomly hit Remultiply and SUS-Insert..." Microscopic subtleties of rhythm, timing, and texture which would be invisible on first glance can become themes and motifs. Multiple fragments of "random" sounds become compositional sections which can be expanded, developed, and juxtaposed in relation to one another. Quantization settings can take haphazard events and impose an unexpected structure onto them. For me, once some raw musical material has been reflected back in such a (highly fractured) manner, it can be much easier to decide what to do with it all in the first place. It might be argued that approaching an entire performance as a series of improvisations is a hazardous proposition. Fair enough... but it also seems to me that the strength of a performance can rise or fall on the basis of countless variables that come into play. It's entirely possible to present a set of entirely pre-composed material, executed proficiently, and still have wildly varying results from one performance to the next, for both the audience and the performer. For myself and my own music making, improvisational looping seems to embrace the fundamental chance, uncertainty, and spontenaity at the root of ALL musical performance, to find ways of working WITH it, rather than struggling against it. " ***I have to say that the delay of the dry signal on the Repeater turned me off but that it has a very clear sound and that if you already have one, it's not a bad thing to just invest your time in that--time is very useful in this regard--but the EDP rules and Andre demonstrates that handily on his website--enjoy-- Gary Lehmann -----Original Message----- From: Paul Greenstein [mailto:paul@ubiq.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please OK, I get the picture, but I'm trying to clarify what the EDP does that the Repeater doesn't... Paul On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 02:53 pm, Claude Voit wrote: > I have 3 > Claude > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Greenstein" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:18 PM > Subject: evangelize EDP please > > >> Assuming that some people are using both the EDP and Repeater, can >> someone evangelize a bit about the EDP for me? - or maybe make a few >> comparisons... >> >> I'm tempted to buy an EDP (if I can find one), but as I already use >> the >> Repeater, I'm having difficulty justifying it as opposed to buying a >> new guitar or whatever... >> >> Paul >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 11:39:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TGVO213286; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:31:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:31:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031029163122.48206.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ee01c39e33$db0ed950$69894682@lance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Lance Chance wrote: Not to be argumentative, or to discourage anyone from getting an EDP (which sounds like a great unit), but you make some statements about the Repeater which I don't understand. You mentioned the easier foot pedal setup. Well, yeah. The EDP has a dedicated foot pedal that you buy pre-configured. It doesn't get much easier then that. With the Repeater, you have to use a midi controller, which means programming it. That's always going to be more complicated. However, I've noticed that many of the more advanced users of the EDP also use a midi controller with it, to make more options and more control immediately available. The difficulty of programming a midi controller will be about the same whether you're controlling a Repeater or an EDP, so I don't really see this as a big advantage. And yes, while you can buy that simple dedicated foot controller for the EDP, they charge you almost as much for this basic metal box (which consists of just 7 switches and a handful of resistors) as you might pay for a nice Behringer MIDI foot controller, which is infinitely more versatile. Now, I -really- like the fact that you can plug an expression pedal directly into the EDP and control feedback (and other parameters?). That's a really nice feature. > i find the repeater more > difficult to use in a studio environment, where it's stutters and fluttery > artifacts are much more apparent than in a live venue. I've never heard any "stutters or fluttery artifacts" when using my Repeater. It plays back what I play in. Is there a specific sequence of events or functions you use which triggers this? > if i had to drop one, i guess it would be the repeater, because though it > can do a whole lot more, the work that i have done with my edp and just my > guitar is much more professional sounding than the work i have done with > the repeater. so, despite not being able to even twist the durn delay time > (grrrr) on the edp, for me it finally came down to sound quality. Given that the Repeater has higher fidelity then the EDP, I don't understand this comment. I've never had any problems with it's sound quality, as long as it's run at the right signal levels, it's line level, and if you try to run it at instrument levels, it'll be noisy. That's not unique to the Repeater. Most studio effects are like this. Or are you talking about the slight ticking sound some people get on track 1 when using the CFC? Apparently that varies in intensity from unit to unit, mine doesn't do it. > the edp > sounds awesome. no doubt. it is warm and full and loops without the > slightest hint of a pop. i make a lot of textural soundscapes and this > thing about pops at the loop point is almost a tie breaker right off the > bat, for me. if you are an ebow player, i bet that you know what i am > talking about. I am, and I don't. I hear a very slight change (usually a little surge) in volume around the loop point on the Repeater, never a pop. It's never bothered me. > i say get the edp. I don't necessarily disagree, depending on what someone wants to do, and how they like to work. For me, the Repeater works in a very intuitive way and it allows many many flexable options for manipulation which the EDP doesn't (time stretching/contracting, pitch manipulation, panning, time shifting, multiple tracks for realtime mixing, effects loop, etc). The EDP, on the other hand is extremely powerful in other respects. Compare what you like, how you work, the level things need to run in your rig, and what features you want to use while playing, and the choice will probably become clear. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 12:07:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TH0lf23908; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:00:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:00:35 +0000 Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20031029163122.48206.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <69E1B8F1-0A31-11D8-9B82-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1YmcJC.A.d1F._I_n_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought I would throw my own feelings about the Repeater back into the ether: I have a Repeater already, but am considering getting an EDP as well. My feeling was (and this has been reinforced by some of the writings on this mailing list, both technical and conceptual) that the EDP has more depths in terms of the possibility of random musicality. One of the ways I use the Repeater is to record a musically straightforward, even 'pretty' loop of indeterminate length. I then flip out of overdub mode, and start to insert material, gradually breaking down the structure of the piece, taking it in mostly unpredictable directions. It looks like the EDP would lend itself more to this kind of approach, (I assume) due to features like Insert/Divide etc. My understanding (am I wrong?) is that the EDP will quantise insertions to the beat, which would obviously make it easier to create a 'musical' effect (which may be desirable from time to time). Paul On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 04:31 pm, Greg House wrote: > --- Lance Chance wrote: > > Not to be argumentative, or to discourage anyone from getting an EDP > (which > sounds like a great unit), but you make some statements about the > Repeater which > I don't understand. > > You mentioned the easier foot pedal setup. Well, yeah. The EDP has a > dedicated > foot pedal that you buy pre-configured. It doesn't get much easier > then that. > With the Repeater, you have to use a midi controller, which means > programming it. > That's always going to be more complicated. However, I've noticed that > many of > the more advanced users of the EDP also use a midi controller with it, > to make > more options and more control immediately available. The difficulty of > programming a midi controller will be about the same whether you're > controlling a > Repeater or an EDP, so I don't really see this as a big advantage. > > And yes, while you can buy that simple dedicated foot controller for > the EDP, > they charge you almost as much for this basic metal box (which > consists of just 7 > switches and a handful of resistors) as you might pay for a nice > Behringer MIDI > foot controller, which is infinitely more versatile. > > Now, I -really- like the fact that you can plug an expression pedal > directly into > the EDP and control feedback (and other parameters?). That's a really > nice > feature. > >> i find the repeater more >> difficult to use in a studio environment, where it's stutters and >> fluttery >> artifacts are much more apparent than in a live venue. > > I've never heard any "stutters or fluttery artifacts" when using my > Repeater. It > plays back what I play in. Is there a specific sequence of events or > functions > you use which triggers this? > >> if i had to drop one, i guess it would be the repeater, because >> though it >> can do a whole lot more, the work that i have done with my edp and >> just my >> guitar is much more professional sounding than the work i have done >> with >> the repeater. so, despite not being able to even twist the durn >> delay time >> (grrrr) on the edp, for me it finally came down to sound quality. > > Given that the Repeater has higher fidelity then the EDP, I don't > understand this > comment. I've never had any problems with it's sound quality, as long > as it's run > at the right signal levels, it's line level, and if you try to run it > at > instrument levels, it'll be noisy. That's not unique to the Repeater. > Most studio > effects are like this. > > Or are you talking about the slight ticking sound some people get on > track 1 when > using the CFC? Apparently that varies in intensity from unit to unit, > mine > doesn't do it. > >> the edp >> sounds awesome. no doubt. it is warm and full and loops without the >> slightest hint of a pop. i make a lot of textural soundscapes and >> this >> thing about pops at the loop point is almost a tie breaker right off >> the >> bat, for me. if you are an ebow player, i bet that you know what i >> am >> talking about. > > I am, and I don't. I hear a very slight change (usually a little > surge) in volume > around the loop point on the Repeater, never a pop. It's never > bothered me. > >> i say get the edp. > > I don't necessarily disagree, depending on what someone wants to do, > and how they > like to work. > > For me, the Repeater works in a very intuitive way and it allows many > many > flexable options for manipulation which the EDP doesn't (time > stretching/contracting, pitch manipulation, panning, time shifting, > multiple > tracks for realtime mixing, effects loop, etc). The EDP, on the other > hand is > extremely powerful in other respects. > > Compare what you like, how you work, the level things need to run in > your rig, > and what features you want to use while playing, and the choice will > probably > become clear. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 12:29:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9THLho29250; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:21:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:21:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1067448094!4225323 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533BED@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:16:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39E40.5DE4B0F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39E40.5DE4B0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>you may ask "but silly Suit & Tie Guy, why would you bother jumping through such hoops?" and i would answer "because now i have 2 hi-fidelity loopers with balanced connections in the space which used to house my Repeater."<< you wouldn't get asked that in my house- that "jumping through.. hoops" is part of the fun. just as "regular" instrumentalists have to know how to trim their reeds or chose the right gauge of strings, or where and how to oil a harp, those of us who decided to extract musical noises from circuit boards occasionally find ourselves getting out and getting under. sometimes it's just maintenance, other times it's because of a fundamental disagreement with the designer(s). lots of people have said to me that the dl4 would be perfect if it was midi-clockable; sounds like line6 dropped the ball on the pro's feature set too. I am working up to hacking my dl4 to take an external tap-tempo while it's in echo mode; this should be fairly straightforward.... but we have the option of using a second jam-man instead- one for delay and one for loops. and if I can persuade our guitarist to try the sellon upgrade, we might not even need to do that. hmmm.... see, I was going to do all this "remedial" reworking on my old powertran mcs-1 "freezer box" but now this dod's on the way... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39E40.5DE4B0F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer

>>you may ask "but silly Suit & Tie Guy, w= hy would you bother jumping
through such hoops?" and i would answer "becau= se now i have 2
hi-fidelity loopers with balanced connections in the spa= ce which used
to house my Repeater."<<

you wouldn't get asked that in my house- that "jumpi= ng through.. hoops" is part of the fun. just as "regular" in= strumentalists have to know how to trim their reeds or chose the right gaug= e of strings, or where and how to oil a harp, those of us who decided to ex= tract musical noises from circuit boards occasionally find ourselves gettin= g out and getting under.

sometimes it's just maintenance, other times it's because= of a fundamental disagreement with the designer(s). lots of people have sa= id to me that the dl4 would be perfect if it was midi-clockable; sounds lik= e line6 dropped the ball on the pro's feature set too. I am working up to h= acking my dl4 to take an external tap-tempo while it's in echo mode; this s= hould be fairly straightforward.... but we have the option of using a secon= d jam-man instead- one for delay and one for loops. and if I can persuade o= ur guitarist to try the sellon upgrade, we might not even need to do that. = hmmm....

see, I was going to do all this "remedial" rewo= rking on my old powertran mcs-1 "freezer box" but now this dod's = on the way...

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C39E40.5DE4B0F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 13:06:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9THwZR02980; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:58:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:58:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031029175833.77442.qmail@web21311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:58:33 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: DL4 hacks (was: RE: Echo Pro successfully syncronised to sequencer) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533BED@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9oGlGD.A.cu.K__n_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I am working up to hacking my dl4 to take an > external tap-tempo while it's in echo mode; this should be fairly > straightforward.... I wonder how tough it'd be to hack a DL4 to use a volume (or expression) pedal for a feedback control? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 13:11:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TI5bF05339; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:05:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:05:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031029180535.85575.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: offlist: Re: Guitar Craft (was new lingo) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003201c3988e$9a669d20$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Continuing this discussion from l-d a bit, since I have more questions... Have you studied Guitar Craft yourself? You wrote: > > > >I would expect that over time you'll develop patterns in the new tuning in > the same sort of way that you did under the old tuning. > > My own reading of Guitar Craft is that (among other things) it attempts to > establish "conscious" patterns rather than "unconscious" ones. Is that necessarily an improvement? > Part of the > approach is to shock the participant into a new state by removing familiar > signposts, such as the standard tuning one might be used to. Right. Bring everyone back to square one, so they can learn afresh using Fripp's method. Again, is that an improvement? > Even if one > returns to familiar ground (and I have a fond memory of rediscovering the > 7#9 chord in the new tuning), one is informed by a collective approach (from > close examination of technique and exercise to how one contributes to the > household) which leads to a fresh use of that material. A lick becomes a > tool rather than a ball and chain. And the new tuning discourages mindless > blues/rock-based wanking for sure. Not at all true. If your mind is inclined to do mindless blues/rock wanking, I don't see how it matters whether your instrument is tuned predominantly in 4ths or in 5ths makes any difference. Many slide players use tunings that consist mainly of 5ths, yet most of them play blues stuff. > > It seems to me that the GC Primary exercises are specifically designed to > > establish patterns within the player's "basic repertoire". > > I'd say the exercises - often a re-presentation of already available > exercises - establish conscious patterns of technique, not musical content. One person's practice technique is another person's musical content. Look at a lot of the nameless shredders from the late 80s/early 90s. A lot of what they played sounded like practice exercises. Sometimes that worked, sometimes not. Obviously there were exceptions during that time period, where musicality came through within the (sometimes enormous) technique. > But hey, cats'n'kittens, this is rather off topic. Does anyone know where > ELSE one might DISCUSS Guitar Craft issues? I know of the diaries and the > King Crimson sites, but the Old Fripperoo seems to discourage any > back-and-forth discussion without his control. Off list please, e-mail me > privately. Has anyone else emailed you about this? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 13:26:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TIDUQ07273; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:13:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031029181328.21712.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:13:28 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: offlist: Re: Guitar Craft (was new lingo) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031029180535.85575.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Greg House wrote: > Continuing this discussion from l-d a bit, since I have more questions... Dang, dang, dang! I hate it when I do that... Sorry for the OT post, everyone. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 14:31:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TJMYT24320; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:22:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:22:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <69E1B8F1-0A31-11D8-9B82-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:22:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2003 19:22:28.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDAC1A40:01C39E51] Resent-Message-ID: <3GUM0.A.37F.6NBo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a repeater and an EDP and I use both a lot. I won't go to the trouble to repeat a lot of the things others have already said. but I will say this: In my opinion I feel the EDP is a much more DYNAMIC looper, while the repeater is much more STATIC looper. By dynamic, I mean it is set up to easily massively change and morph a loop, while the repeater is really good at faithfully repeating what you put in. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 14:57:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TJpPE30470; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:51:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:51:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013c01c39e56$a893f230$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <20031029163122.48206.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:55:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <-vLvWD.A.9bH.9oBo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't get me wrong, i love my repeater and the project that i'm working on right now features it as a main piece. i see your points about controller issues. i do like the integrated nature of the direct pedal plug and dedicated foot controller, but for different controllers it all works out to be the same. however, my unit does have a cfc "tick" and, for me, between the operating noisefloor and peak values, i would say that i probably have about 4db of boogie room. i don't know, my edp seems wider that that, somehow. there is also a warmth to the sound of an edp that seems lacking in the repeater. it sort of sounds like the repeater is "mpeg-ing" everything and you can hear the packets being delivered. finally, i can't abide by the artifact at the loop point. i guess it was a bit presumptuous to assume that ebow guitarist would have a problem with this as a rule, but that "very slight change (usually a little surge) in volume around the loop point" that you mention is something that doesn't happen at all on my EDP. that is probably my main issue with the repeater, in the setting of guitar and guitarist at least. my feelings summed up as follows: the repeater infinitely more versatile and can respond well to many types of input. the edp is "warmer" "realer" and perhaps more responsive to the whimsy of the player. i find that the edp works better as part of a instrument and instrumentalist package, whereas i like to devote the whole attention of a player just to the manipulation of the repeater. ultimately yes, it depends on the application. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please > --- Lance Chance wrote: > > Not to be argumentative, or to discourage anyone from getting an EDP (which > sounds like a great unit), but you make some statements about the Repeater which > I don't understand. > > You mentioned the easier foot pedal setup. Well, yeah. The EDP has a dedicated > foot pedal that you buy pre-configured. It doesn't get much easier then that. > With the Repeater, you have to use a midi controller, which means programming it. > That's always going to be more complicated. However, I've noticed that many of > the more advanced users of the EDP also use a midi controller with it, to make > more options and more control immediately available. The difficulty of > programming a midi controller will be about the same whether you're controlling a > Repeater or an EDP, so I don't really see this as a big advantage. > > And yes, while you can buy that simple dedicated foot controller for the EDP, > they charge you almost as much for this basic metal box (which consists of just 7 > switches and a handful of resistors) as you might pay for a nice Behringer MIDI > foot controller, which is infinitely more versatile. > > Now, I -really- like the fact that you can plug an expression pedal directly into > the EDP and control feedback (and other parameters?). That's a really nice > feature. > > > i find the repeater more > > difficult to use in a studio environment, where it's stutters and fluttery > > artifacts are much more apparent than in a live venue. > > I've never heard any "stutters or fluttery artifacts" when using my Repeater. It > plays back what I play in. Is there a specific sequence of events or functions > you use which triggers this? > > > if i had to drop one, i guess it would be the repeater, because though it > > can do a whole lot more, the work that i have done with my edp and just my > > guitar is much more professional sounding than the work i have done with > > the repeater. so, despite not being able to even twist the durn delay time > > (grrrr) on the edp, for me it finally came down to sound quality. > > Given that the Repeater has higher fidelity then the EDP, I don't understand this > comment. I've never had any problems with it's sound quality, as long as it's run > at the right signal levels, it's line level, and if you try to run it at > instrument levels, it'll be noisy. That's not unique to the Repeater. Most studio > effects are like this. > > Or are you talking about the slight ticking sound some people get on track 1 when > using the CFC? Apparently that varies in intensity from unit to unit, mine > doesn't do it. > > > the edp > > sounds awesome. no doubt. it is warm and full and loops without the > > slightest hint of a pop. i make a lot of textural soundscapes and this > > thing about pops at the loop point is almost a tie breaker right off the > > bat, for me. if you are an ebow player, i bet that you know what i am > > talking about. > > I am, and I don't. I hear a very slight change (usually a little surge) in volume > around the loop point on the Repeater, never a pop. It's never bothered me. > > > i say get the edp. > > I don't necessarily disagree, depending on what someone wants to do, and how they > like to work. > > For me, the Repeater works in a very intuitive way and it allows many many > flexable options for manipulation which the EDP doesn't (time > stretching/contracting, pitch manipulation, panning, time shifting, multiple > tracks for realtime mixing, effects loop, etc). The EDP, on the other hand is > extremely powerful in other respects. > > Compare what you like, how you work, the level things need to run in your rig, > and what features you want to use while playing, and the choice will probably > become clear. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 15:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TKb4O08481; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:37:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:37:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <147.1b7e0537.2cd17e11@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:33:21 EST Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Now, I -really- like the fact that you can plug an expression pedal directly > into > the EDP and control feedback (and other parameters?). That's a really nice > feature. the pedal is configurable to do a number of different functions 1) Feedback 2) Input vol to loop 3) Loop Volume 4) Loop volume and Feedback simultaneously(Replace Mode) 5) Input vol to loop combined with a reversed feedback control (FLIP Mode) options 2,4,5 aren't possible from MIDI andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 16:02:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TKsbv12558; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:54:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:54:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031029205435.12136.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:54:35 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <013c01c39e56$a893f230$69894682@lance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Lance Chance wrote: > finally, i can't abide by the artifact at the loop point. i guess it was a > bit presumptuous to assume that ebow guitarist would have a problem with > this as a rule, but that "very slight change (usually a little surge) in > volume around the loop point" that you mention is something that doesn't > happen at all on my EDP. Oh yeah, I know it's not seemless, it's just that for what I'm doing, that doesn't bother me. I've heard several other people, like yourself, who had more of an issue with it. > my feelings summed up as follows: the repeater infinitely more versatile > and can respond well to many types of input. the edp is "warmer" "realer" > and perhaps more responsive to the whimsy of the player. i find that the > edp works better as part of a instrument and instrumentalist package, > whereas i like to devote the whole attention of a player just to the > manipulation of the repeater. All of which makes a lot of sense, if you consider the designers and the original target market for the two units. The EDP was designed by musicians, for musicians. Whereas the Repeater was designed primarily for DJs and people doing remixing. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 16:14:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9TL8tn16844; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:08:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:08:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031029210853.14724.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Sustainiac C released To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- James Winger wrote: > > I'm sure many of you guys are aware, but for those who aren't...the > sustainiac model C is finally in release (this is the electro-mechanical > sustainer that has a headstock transducer that "wiggles" the instrument as > opposed to ebow-like magnetic excitement of the strings) Does this mean it's available for purchase? I can't tell much from their website, which doesn't appear to have been updated in several years. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 19:34:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U0LUc03186; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:21:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:21:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "mamaSutra" To: Subject: Repeater for sale Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:21:19 -0800 Organization: mamaSutra Message-ID: <00a201c39e7b$c2f97440$6501a8c0@thedude> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C39E38.B4D63440" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C39E38.B4D63440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a repeater for sale on EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=2569085116 Thought someone might want to know Peace Russell ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C39E38.B4D63440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C39E38.B4D63440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 20:38:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U1Rkh21405; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:27:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:27:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FA06C23.6FDC7086@erols.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:40:51 -0500 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please References: <69E1B8F1-0A31-11D8-9B82-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-NXPXD.A.POF.RkGo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Greenstein wrote: > Thought I would throw my own feelings about the Repeater back into the > ether: > > I have a Repeater already, but am considering getting an EDP as well. > My feeling was (and this has been reinforced by some of the writings on > this mailing list, both technical and conceptual) that the EDP has more > depths in terms of the possibility of random musicality. One of the > ways I use the Repeater is to record a musically straightforward, even > 'pretty' loop of indeterminate length. I then flip out of overdub mode, > and start to insert material, gradually breaking down the structure of > the piece, taking it in mostly unpredictable directions. > > It looks like the EDP would lend itself more to this kind of approach, > (I assume) due to features like Insert/Divide etc. My understanding (am > I wrong?) is that the EDP will quantise insertions to the beat, which > would obviously make it easier to create a 'musical' effect (which may > be desirable from time to time). > > Paul > > On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 04:31 pm, Greg House wrote: > > > --- Lance Chance wrote: > > > > Not to be argumentative, or to discourage anyone from getting an EDP > > (which > > sounds like a great unit), but you make some statements about the > > Repeater which > > I don't understand. > > > > You mentioned the easier foot pedal setup. Well, yeah. The EDP has a > > dedicated > > foot pedal that you buy pre-configured. It doesn't get much easier > > then that. > > With the Repeater, you have to use a midi controller, which means > > programming it. > > That's always going to be more complicated. However, I've noticed that > > many of > > the more advanced users of the EDP also use a midi controller with it, > > to make > > more options and more control immediately available. The difficulty of > > programming a midi controller will be about the same whether you're > > controlling a > > Repeater or an EDP, so I don't really see this as a big advantage. > > > > And yes, while you can buy that simple dedicated foot controller for > > the EDP, > > they charge you almost as much for this basic metal box (which > > consists of just 7 > > switches and a handful of resistors) as you might pay for a nice > > Behringer MIDI > > foot controller, which is infinitely more versatile. > > > > Now, I -really- like the fact that you can plug an expression pedal > > directly into > > the EDP and control feedback (and other parameters?). That's a really > > nice > > feature. > > > >> i find the repeater more > >> difficult to use in a studio environment, where it's stutters and > >> fluttery > >> artifacts are much more apparent than in a live venue. > > > > I've never heard any "stutters or fluttery artifacts" when using my > > Repeater. It > > plays back what I play in. Is there a specific sequence of events or > > functions > > you use which triggers this? > > > >> if i had to drop one, i guess it would be the repeater, because > >> though it > >> can do a whole lot more, the work that i have done with my edp and > >> just my > >> guitar is much more professional sounding than the work i have done > >> with > >> the repeater. so, despite not being able to even twist the durn > >> delay time > >> (grrrr) on the edp, for me it finally came down to sound quality. > > > > Given that the Repeater has higher fidelity then the EDP, I don't > > understand this > > comment. I've never had any problems with it's sound quality, as long > > as it's run > > at the right signal levels, it's line level, and if you try to run it > > at > > instrument levels, it'll be noisy. That's not unique to the Repeater. > > Most studio > > effects are like this. > > > > Or are you talking about the slight ticking sound some people get on > > track 1 when > > using the CFC? Apparently that varies in intensity from unit to unit, > > mine > > doesn't do it. > > > >> the edp > >> sounds awesome. no doubt. it is warm and full and loops without the > >> slightest hint of a pop. i make a lot of textural soundscapes and > >> this > >> thing about pops at the loop point is almost a tie breaker right off > >> the > >> bat, for me. if you are an ebow player, i bet that you know what i > >> am > >> talking about. > > > > I am, and I don't. I hear a very slight change (usually a little > > surge) in volume > > around the loop point on the Repeater, never a pop. It's never > > bothered me. > > > >> i say get the edp. > > > > I don't necessarily disagree, depending on what someone wants to do, > > and how they > > like to work. > > > > For me, the Repeater works in a very intuitive way and it allows many > > many > > flexable options for manipulation which the EDP doesn't (time > > stretching/contracting, pitch manipulation, panning, time shifting, > > multiple > > tracks for realtime mixing, effects loop, etc). The EDP, on the other > > hand is > > extremely powerful in other respects. > > > > Compare what you like, how you work, the level things need to run in > > your rig, > > and what features you want to use while playing, and the choice will > > probably > > become clear. > > > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > > > Yes the EDP does Quantise insertions to the beat. I use this feature all of the time. I create short random ostinatos by creating an empty one bar loop and then playing notes from a particular scale while tapping on the insert button. After a few passes, the EDP will spit out a really cool ostinato in the key that I'm playing. I'll then change the start point of the loop to where it feels naturally at the one, and overdub a short drum beat(by tapping on my acoustic guitar). I'll often then multiply that out and lay down a 4 to 8 bar bass line underneath that ostinato. This has become a staple of my live performance. Fun, fun, fun! John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 21:20:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U2BV300380; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:11:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:11:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c39e8b$2bb17a00$48d3a344@hppav> From: "David" To: Subject: GIG-SPAM -- UNDO it on Hallow's Eve @ Skybar - Oct 30th Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:11:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39E61.426F1BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.163.211.72] at Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:11:24 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <5oBPt.A.0F.TNHo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39E61.426F1BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello - a quick UNDO gig update! "LOOPING HAPPENS" "Hallow's Eve"=20 DAISYCUTTER FLUTTR DAVID KIRKDORFFER / UNDO with DJ BRYNMORE A Fashion show... And A Provocative Halloween wear Sale At The Skybar 518 Somerville Ave., Somerville, MA Thursday, 30th October 8pm door/9pm start Please bring your ghoulishness... Muah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39E61.426F1BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39E61.426F1BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 29 21:23:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U2IEO02332; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c39e8c$1c702ef0$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> From: "Maneco" To: References: Subject: Pictures of my loopers (EH16 clone and others) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:18:29 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://ar.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/juandarkness Me and my looping rig Best!!! Maneco From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 01:03:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U5wd403694; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:58:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:39:25 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance NEW YORK CITY 11.8.03 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, electrons@cardhouse.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations with the Electronic Music band Bionaut at Collective:Unconscious, 145 Ludlow Street, NYC on Saturday Nov 8. Our plan is to do a 4 hour continuous set from 1-5PM. Promo Poster at http://www.tinybubblesmusic.com/DeepEnd/thedeependpromo4.htm Directions at http://www.weird.org/map/collectivemap.htm This should be good -- hope some of you New Yorkers can make it, -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 01:45:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U6fAi13995; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:41:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: evangelize EDP please Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:42:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <013c01c39e56$a893f230$69894682@lance> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Lance Chance [mailto:lrc8918@louisiana.edu] > > don't get me wrong, i love my repeater and the project that i'm working on > right now features it as a main piece. > i see your points about controller issues. i do like the > integrated nature > of the direct pedal plug and dedicated foot controller, but for different > controllers it all works out to be the same. > however, my unit does have a cfc "tick" and, for me, between the operating > noisefloor and peak values, i would say that i probably have about 4db of > boogie room. i don't know, my edp seems wider that that, > somehow. If you only have 4db of headroom in your Repeater, then maybe you don't have your input and output levels set right? The Repeater is very sensitive to gain staging. It can sound like crap if you don't nail the levels just right. Once you do get it dialed in, it's a reasonably quiet unit with enough headroom to work with. > there > is also a warmth to the sound of an edp that seems lacking in the > repeater. > it sort of sounds like the repeater is "mpeg-ing" everything and you can > hear the packets being delivered. I won't argue with that. The Repeater doesn't have the best A/D-D/A converters in the world. The reason I bought a Repeater, and the reason I stay with it, is that it's a great song writing tool as well as a looper. I have four tracks to work with. I can save my loops and fool around with them on my PC. I can experiment with chord progressions with lead lines on a separate track. It's the perfect bridge between a multitrack recorder and a looper (it's both!). I realize other people/loopers may not be thinking this way, and may be more into a live performance thing. If I didn't care about using the Repeater as a scratch recorder for song ideas as well as a looper, then I'd be using the Echoplex. -- Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 02:22:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U7HQc23501; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c39eb5$8d283ec0$5e2b883e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: Subject: Re: London looping Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:02:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C39EB3.CA396700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C39EB3.CA396700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: London looping Hi Jeremy, If you're still up for this I'd be interested in taking part. Gareth I'm in London, looping up loads of bass live, a duo with (a bit loopy) = perc/drum person.=20 I want to get some kind of looping festival going for next year or = maybe sooner if my life calms down to a frenzy. Two venues in mind.=20 Do contact me and let me know you're there so I can keep you posted.=20 best=20 jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122=20 ---------- From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: London looping Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 10:43 am Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there's anyone = out there doing live looping in the London area - or perhaps someone = with knowledge of London venues that might be open to this kind of=20 performance? ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C39EB3.CA396700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: London looping
 
Hi Jeremy,
If you're still up for this I'd be = interested in=20 taking part.
 
Gareth

I'm in London, looping up loads of bass live, a duo = with (a bit=20 loopy) perc/drum person.
I want to get some kind of looping = festival going=20 for next year or maybe sooner if my life calms down to a frenzy. Two = venues in=20 mind.

Do contact me and let me know you're there so I can keep = you=20 posted.

best

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 = 7941 428 122=20


----------
From: Paul Greenstein = <paul@ubiq.co.uk>
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: London = looping
Date: Wed,=20 Oct 22, 2003, 10:43 am


Being new to the looping community, just wondering if=20 there's anyone
out there doing live looping in the London area - = or=20 perhaps someone
with knowledge of London venues that might be = open to=20 this kind of=20
performance?





------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C39EB3.CA396700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 02:33:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U7VoM27084; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:31:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:31:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031029232720.038e9620@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:36:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist In-Reply-To: <0981B7E9-0919-11D8-B819-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:33 PM 10/27/2003, Travis wrote: >I wish the EDP could dynamically add loops, so that instead of having to >define the number of loops beforehand with MoreLoops, you could start with >just 1, and then hit Next Loop and have it behave the way it does now >(copying the time or audio or whatever) and so on. I like to have pieces >with two or three or four loops, but I don't know before hand, and I want >to be able to switch between loop 1 and 2 easily, without having to step >through as-yet unused loops 3,4, etc. And if I decide I want five loops, >and I've got the free memory (which I always do), I wish I could move to >loop 5 (for example) without having to clear everything out and reset the >MoreLoops parameter. If memory is never an issue for you, than just set it to 5 loops (or whatever the most you ever use is). If you use MIDI you have all the flexibility available you are looking for. With MIDI you have both NextLoop and PreviousLoop commands, as well as the ability to jump directly to any loop with the LoopTrigger function. You even have fun stuff like SUSNextLoop. Or, if you don't use MIDI, you can still get a lot of flexibility using SwitchQuantize. After you press Next and it goes into the quantizing waiting period, you can continue to press Next to select which loop it is going to. Plus you can command it to start a function in the new loop, like Record, or LoopCopy, or whatever. This gives you a lot of flexibility to manage multiple loops without having to deal with a lot of buttons. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 02:41:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U7dd629044; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:39:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:39:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Pictures of my loopers (EH16 clone and others) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601c39e8c$1c702ef0$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> X-Seen: false X-ID: GQGifBZ1oemF8e4luoWk9y2Qb3rTIC0-JXTBoDRZ8WKLZPjcEaXYwB@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://ar.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/juandarkness > Me and my looping rig wow ... have you developed these looper stomp boxes all by yourself, or what is inside them? -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 03:08:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U86rn04287; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:06:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:06:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c39ebc$958d1fc0$1861f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200310300733.h9U7Xv227560@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: In the Repeaters defense Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:05:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have two EDPs and love them dearly (and am starting to even understand them a little............lol) but I've heard no one talk about two of the very coolest features of the much maligned Repeater that are phenomally wonderful for a multi-insturmentalist like myself: 1) You can play a loop as a chromatic instrument over three octaves while the machine constantly does all the time stretching to keep the rhytms intact as you pitch shift. This either allows me to play rhythms with static loops (like me trilling a single note with my mouth) or it allows me to modulate a pattern's pitch and hence the whole harmony of the 'section' you have just created by doing so. All of this can be done with midi pedals used like ersatz organ footpedals 2) You can have four simultaneous loops going with indedendent control of the pitch and panning of each loop..................with four separate outs going into four muteable channels on a mixer, this is very, very powerful as a live performance option My brother is getting amazing sounds by using the output of his guitar synth arpeggiator (without the sonic output) and rhythmically tuning his loops (from drone sounds to hand drum sounds) creating really cool rhythmic tracks that I've never heard anything like before. It is a simple technique but the Repeater is the only instrument that can do this so far. Well, back to work on my EDP sophistication..............................lol. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 03:29:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U8RCa10964; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:27:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:27:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:27:03 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New free forums for looping discussion Message-ID: <170585048.1067473623@[192.168.1.174]> In-Reply-To: <009201c39ebc$958d1fc0$1861f93f@global> References: <009201c39ebc$958d1fc0$1861f93f@global> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <0N4bT.A.NrC.gtMo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been looking around and haven't seen any discussion boards dedicated to loopers. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me. This mailing list is great, but I also like discussion boards. So, I have created a new set of discussion forums for use by loopers on my web site. I would like to invite all of you to use the forums if you would like to. I am also open to any suggestions from any of you about how to improve the forums. The forums may be found here: http://www.looperlative.com/forums/index.php?c=7 Thank you, Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 04:05:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U8wPD18425; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:58:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:58:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:58:32 +0000 Subject: Re: London looping From: "jeremy" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3150349113_60605_MIME_Part" Message-Id: Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3150349113_60605_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Gareth, This is beginning to take shape now and welcome onboard. Venue is likely to be the Foundry on Old Street. I'm dahsing this off now - will contact you again later with more info. Thanks for getting in touch. j jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Subject: Re: London looping Date: Thu, Oct 30, 2003, 7:02 am Hi Jeremy, If you're still up for this I'd be interested in taking part. Gareth I'm in London, looping up loads of bass live, a duo with (a bit loopy) perc/drum person. I want to get some kind of looping festival going for next year or maybe sooner if my life calms down to a frenzy. Two venues in mind. Do contact me and let me know you're there so I can keep you posted. best jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 7941 428 122 ---------- From: Paul Greenstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: London looping Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 10:43 am Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there's anyone out there doing live looping in the London area - or perhaps someone with knowledge of London venues that might be open to this kind of performance? --MS_Mac_OE_3150349113_60605_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: London looping Hi Gareth,

This is beginning to take shape now and welcome onboard. Venue is likely to= be the Foundry on Old Street. I'm dahsing this off now - will contact you a= gain later with more info.

Thanks for getting in touch.

j

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122


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From: "Gareth Whittock" <gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.u= k>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: London looping
Date: Thu, Oct 30, 2003, 7:02 am


 
Hi Jeremy,
If you're still up for this I'd be interested in taking part.
 
Gareth

I'm in London, looping up loads of bass live, a duo with (a bit loopy) perc= /drum person.
I want to get some kind of looping festival going for next year or maybe so= oner if my life calms down to a frenzy. Two venues in mind.

Do contact me and let me know you're there so I can keep you posted.

best

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 7941 428 122


----------
From: Paul Greenstein <paul@ubiq.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: London looping
Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 10:43 am


Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there= 's anyone
out there doing live looping in the London area - or perhaps someone
with knowledge of London venues that might be open to this kind of
performance?






--MS_Mac_OE_3150349113_60605_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 04:10:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9U97pU22041; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c501c39ed6$22aae180$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: EDP PreviousLoop... Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:08:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C39E9B.76215000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7CvCIC.A.TYF.nTNo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C39E9B.76215000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: London loopingJust started trying to program banks into my Behringer = FCB1010 yesterday and thinking, "Wish there way a way to move to a = previous loop as well as a next loop..." when Kim comes along on the = list today and says that there is a PreviousLoop command. =20 I consulted the manual and it states, thusly: "Note that only sending = the Note Off component of SUSNextLoop gives you the command = PreviousLoop." As far as I can tell the FCB1010 sends Note On at pedal depression, and = Note Off on pedal release, but not either or. I.e. there is no way to = only send just a Note Off message with the FCB1010, and thus no way to = use that controller to attain the coveted PreviousLoop command = functionality. =20 Check my work, please. And tell me I'm wrong. =20 Thanks. Love,=20 Jesse ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C39E9B.76215000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: London looping
Just started trying to program banks = into my=20 Behringer FCB1010 yesterday and thinking, "Wish there way a way to = move to=20 a previous loop as well as a next loop..." when Kim comes along on the = list=20 today and says that there is a PreviousLoop command.  =
 
I consulted the manual and it states, = thusly: "Note=20 that only sending the Note Off component of SUSNextLoop gives you the = command=20 PreviousLoop."
 
As far as I can tell the FCB1010 sends = Note On at=20 pedal depression, and Note Off on pedal release, but not either = or.  I.e.=20 there is no way to only send just a Note Off message with the FCB1010, = and thus=20 no way to use that controller to attain the coveted PreviousLoop command = functionality. 
 
Check my work, please.  And tell = me I'm=20 wrong. 
 
Thanks.
 
Love,
 
Jesse
------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C39E9B.76215000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 05:32:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UAU0Y08125; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:30:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:30:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c39ed0$ce45c150$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> From: "Maneco" To: References: Subject: Re: Pictures of my loopers (EH16 clone and others) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:29:36 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, they are all my designs,from electronics to artwork best!!!! Maneco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:41 AM Subject: RE: Pictures of my loopers (EH16 clone and others) > > http://ar.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/juandarkness > > Me and my looping rig > > wow ... have you developed these looper stomp boxes all by yourself, or what > is inside them? > > -michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 08:32:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UDRO311805; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:27:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:27:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1067520435!4232136 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533BF6@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL4 hacks Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:21:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39EE8.CCA0FE10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39EE8.CCA0FE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I wonder how tough it'd be to hack a DL4 to use a volume (or expression) pedal for a feedback control?<< now, why would you want to do it that way? wouldn't it be a darn sight easier to use the expression pedal socket the thing already has and set up y'r three presets to do things in response to the pedal? I used mine like this for quite a while (an ordinary volume pedal, but I had to reverse tip and ring connections inside it's jack to make it work- this saved me $60 or whatever line6 wanted for their pedal). I had it set up to alter both delay time and feedback at the same time, but you can have the pedal affect any or all of the knobs except the main algorithm selection. so you plug the pedal in, make your adjustments with the heel-down position, make some more with the toe-down position and save the preset as normal. or something like that. but you could easily rewire the feedback control through an added stereo jack on the back of the box, so that a pedal plugged into this new jack socket would control feedback. thing is, it would be subject to the same "rules" as the original one, i.e. another expression pedal would over-ride it, as would the preset value for feedback....... if I was going to hack a dl4, I'd want the midi clocking and some way to stop the echoes cutting off when I change preset; any remaining echoes from the "old" preset should continue but with the new settings acting on them. as it stands, they just lop off abruptly. I have the dl4 set up so that the echoes continue when an effect is bypassed, but there's no way to have them carry over when you change presets. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>I wonder how tough it'd be to hack a DL4 to use a= volume (or expression) pedal for a feedback control?<<


now, why would you want to do it that way?
wouldn't it be a darn sight easier to use the expression= pedal socket the thing already has and set up y'r three presets to do thin= gs in response to the pedal? I used mine like this for quite a while (an or= dinary volume pedal, but I had to reverse tip and ring connections inside i= t's jack to make it work- this saved me $60 or whatever line6 wanted for th= eir pedal). I had it set up to alter both delay time and feedback at the sa= me time, but you can have the pedal affect any or all of the knobs except t= he main algorithm selection.

so you plug the pedal in, make your adjustments with the = heel-down position, make some more with the toe-down position and save the = preset as normal. or something like that.

but you could easily rewire the feedback control through = an added stereo jack on the back of the box, so that a pedal plugged into t= his new jack socket would control feedback. thing is, it would be subject t= o the same "rules" as the original one, i.e. another expression p= edal would over-ride it, as would the preset value for feedback.......

if I was going to hack a dl4, I'd want the midi clocking = and some way to stop the echoes cutting off when I change preset; any remai= ning echoes from the "old" preset should continue but with the ne= w settings acting on them. as it stands, they just lop off abruptly. I have= the dl4 set up so that the echoes continue when an effect is bypassed, but= there's no way to have them carry over when you change presets.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C39EE8.CCA0FE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 09:15:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UEDI223054; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:13:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:13:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c39ef0$974ad7b0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:17:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com man, you are the second guy to mention my gain stages. i guess i'll have to go home and tweek that stuff some more to see if i'm missing something. say, are you fellows using a compressor on the input of the thing? maybe that's my problem. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Barrs" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:42 AM Subject: RE: evangelize EDP please > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lance Chance [mailto:lrc8918@louisiana.edu] > > > > don't get me wrong, i love my repeater and the project that i'm working on > > right now features it as a main piece. > > i see your points about controller issues. i do like the > > integrated nature > > of the direct pedal plug and dedicated foot controller, but for different > > controllers it all works out to be the same. > > however, my unit does have a cfc "tick" and, for me, between the operating > > noisefloor and peak values, i would say that i probably have about 4db of > > boogie room. i don't know, my edp seems wider that that, > > somehow. > > If you only have 4db of headroom in your Repeater, then maybe you don't have > your input and output levels set right? The Repeater is very sensitive to > gain staging. It can sound like crap if you don't nail the levels just > right. Once you do get it dialed in, it's a reasonably quiet unit with > enough headroom to work with. > > > there > > is also a warmth to the sound of an edp that seems lacking in the > > repeater. > > it sort of sounds like the repeater is "mpeg-ing" everything and you can > > hear the packets being delivered. > > I won't argue with that. The Repeater doesn't have the best A/D-D/A > converters in the world. > > > > The reason I bought a Repeater, and the reason I stay with it, is that it's > a great song writing tool as well as a looper. I have four tracks to work > with. I can save my loops and fool around with them on my PC. I can > experiment with chord progressions with lead lines on a separate track. It's > the perfect bridge between a multitrack recorder and a looper (it's both!). > > I realize other people/loopers may not be thinking this way, and may be more > into a live performance thing. If I didn't care about using the Repeater as > a scratch recorder for song ideas as well as a looper, then I'd be using the > Echoplex. > > -- > Mike Barrs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 09:17:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UEFlG23874; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:15:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:15:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.3db55e91.2cd2770a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:15:38 EST Subject: Re: EDP in europe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6f.3db55e91.2cd2770a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6f.3db55e91.2cd2770a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Andy, I'm guessing you've had a few mails about this. I read your mail on the Loopers Delight mailing list re Gibson and Echoplexes you have sitting there. I am in England and was wondering if it is possible to buy one from you guys directly? I am still considering as to if I can afford the purchase to be honest and trying to justify one to myself as an early xmas pressie without trawling around the world and all the import duty etc that entails, or waiting forever for a Gibson dealer here to have any in stock. Regards Link --part1_6f.3db55e91.2cd2770a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Andy,

I'm guessing you've had a few mails about this. I read your mail on the Loop= ers Delight mailing list re Gibson and Echoplexes you have sitting there. I=20= am in England and was wondering if it is possible to buy one from you guys d= irectly?

I am still considering as to if I can afford the purchase to be honest and t= rying to justify one to myself as an early xmas pressie without trawling aro= und the world and all the import duty etc that entails, or waiting forever f= or a Gibson dealer here to have any in stock.

Regards

Link --part1_6f.3db55e91.2cd2770a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 09:19:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UEFmw23907; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:15:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c39ef0$f05b49c0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <000601c39e8c$1c702ef0$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> Subject: Re: Pictures of my loopers (EH16 clone and others) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:20:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com did you make these and are you selling them? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maneco" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: Pictures of my loopers (EH16 clone and others) > http://ar.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/juandarkness > > > Me and my looping rig > > Best!!! > Maneco > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 11:02:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UFtam17996; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:55:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:55:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031030155534.12564.qmail@web21314.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Pictures of my loopers (EH16 clone and others) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c39ed0$ce45c150$404dfea9@manecohsv6y6ib> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They look very interesting! What functions do they have (the photos are a little small...) Greg --- Maneco wrote: > Hi, > they are all my designs,from electronics to artwork > > best!!!! > Maneco > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Peters" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:41 AM > Subject: RE: Pictures of my loopers (EH16 clone and others) > > > > > http://ar.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/juandarkness > > > Me and my looping rig > > > > wow ... have you developed these looper stomp boxes all by yourself, or > what > > is inside them? > > > > -michael > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 11:03:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UFwI518722; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:58:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:58:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031030155811.88029.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:58:11 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: RE: DL4 hacks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533BF6@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <620NuB.A.ZkE.aUTo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry I wasn't more specific. I was talking about feedback in the DL4's looping mode. This isn't a parameter you can control, so the built-in expression pedal doesn't help you. Greg --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I wonder how tough it'd be to hack a DL4 to use a volume (or expression) > pedal for a feedback control?<< > > > now, why would you want to do it that way? > wouldn't it be a darn sight easier to use the expression pedal socket the thing > already has and set up y'r three presets to do things in response to the pedal? > I used mine like this for quite a while (an ordinary volume pedal, but I had to > reverse tip and ring connections inside it's jack to make it work- this saved > me $60 or whatever line6 wanted for their pedal). I had it set up to alter both > delay time and feedback at the same time, but you can have the pedal affect any > or all of the knobs except the main algorithm selection. > so you plug the pedal in, make your adjustments with the heel-down position, > make some more with the toe-down position and save the preset as normal. or > something like that. > > but you could easily rewire the feedback control through an added stereo jack > on the back of the box, so that a pedal plugged into this new jack socket would > control feedback. thing is, it would be subject to the same "rules" as the > original one, i.e. another expression pedal would over-ride it, as would the > preset value for feedback....... > > if I was going to hack a dl4, I'd want the midi clocking and some way to stop > the echoes cutting off when I change preset; any remaining echoes from the > "old" preset should continue but with the new settings acting on them. as it > stands, they just lop off abruptly. I have the dl4 set up so that the echoes > continue when an effect is bypassed, but there's no way to have them carry over > when you change presets. > > d. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 11:08:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UG1Qn20839; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:01:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:01:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031030160124.23308.qmail@web21312.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:01:24 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004c01c39ef0$974ad7b0$69894682@lance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Lance Chance wrote: > man, you are the second guy to mention my gain stages. i guess i'll have > to go home and tweek that stuff some more to see if i'm missing something. > say, are you fellows using a compressor on the input of the thing? maybe > that's my problem. I don't, but I do use a preamp (line level output) before it gets to the Repeater. Either a DG Stomp, or an old Roland GP16. The Repeater then feeds either a professional mix console or a power amp directly. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 11:27:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UGLdK27099; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:21:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:21:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031030082221.03975008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:25:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: DL4 hacks In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533BF6@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:21 AM 10/30/2003, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I wonder how tough it'd be to hack a DL4 to use a volume (or > expression) pedal for a feedback control?<< > >now, why would you want to do it that way? >wouldn't it be a darn sight easier to use the expression pedal socket the >thing already has and set up y'r three presets to do things in response to >the pedal? I used mine like this for quite a while (an ordinary volume >pedal, but I had to reverse tip and ring connections inside it's jack to >make it work- this saved me $60 or whatever line6 wanted for their pedal). >I had it set up to alter both delay time and feedback at the same time, >but you can have the pedal affect any or all of the knobs except the main >algorithm selection. > >so you plug the pedal in, make your adjustments with the heel-down >position, make some more with the toe-down position and save the preset as >normal. or something like that. the DL-4 doesn't have feedback control in the Loop mode. I suspect that is what the original poster was wanting to hack it to do. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 11:28:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UGOej27889; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:24:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017601c39f02$b8c3da60$d520fea9@trucknutz> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "jeremy" , References: Subject: Re: London looping Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:27:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just back from two weeks away - I'll probably be up for some of this... Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeremy" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: Re: London looping > Hi Gareth, > > This is beginning to take shape now and welcome onboard. Venue is likely to > be the Foundry on Old Street. I'm dahsing this off now - will contact you > again later with more info. > > Thanks for getting in touch. > > j > > jeremy > http://www.masse.org.uk > +44 7941 428 122 > > > ---------- > From: "Gareth Whittock" > To: > Subject: Re: London looping > Date: Thu, Oct 30, 2003, 7:02 am > > > > Hi Jeremy, > If you're still up for this I'd be interested in taking part. > > Gareth > > I'm in London, looping up loads of bass live, a duo with (a bit loopy) > perc/drum person. > I want to get some kind of looping festival going for next year or maybe > sooner if my life calms down to a frenzy. Two venues in mind. > > Do contact me and let me know you're there so I can keep you posted. > > best > > jeremy > http://www.masse.org.uk > +44 7941 428 122 > > > ---------- > From: Paul Greenstein > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: London looping > Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 10:43 am > > > Being new to the looping community, just wondering if there's anyone > out there doing live looping in the London area - or perhaps someone > with knowledge of London venues that might be open to this kind of > performance? > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 11:29:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UGPj428186; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:25:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031030082616.0444ed68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:30:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP PreviousLoop... In-Reply-To: <00c501c39ed6$22aae180$0200a8c0@amd> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:08 AM 10/30/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >Just started trying to program banks into my Behringer FCB1010 yesterday >and thinking, "Wish there way a way to move to a previous loop as well as >a next loop..." when Kim comes along on the list today and says that there >is a PreviousLoop command. > >I consulted the manual and it states, thusly: "Note that only sending the >Note Off component of SUSNextLoop gives you the command PreviousLoop." > >As far as I can tell the FCB1010 sends Note On at pedal depression, and >Note Off on pedal release, but not either or. I.e. there is no way to >only send just a Note Off message with the FCB1010, and thus no way to use >that controller to attain the coveted PreviousLoop command functionality. right. that is the problem with using a limited pedal. you can't do everything. With full featured midi pedals this sort of thing is easy. It is sort of an awkward function though. it came for free out of the susnext function, so we took it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 11:38:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UGa6d31061; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:36:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:36:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031030083045.04719fc8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:40:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? In-Reply-To: <003201c39d6f$d09a2700$0affff0a@hppav> References: <01C39D40.EB816760@dyn-195-242-73-226.ppp.tiscali.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:23 AM 10/28/2003, David wrote: >I have a question for the EDP developers and manufacturers regarding the >interface. I accept changing the faceplate and hardware interface of the EDP >unit would be prohibitively difficult and uneconomical. > >But what about changes to the EDP footswitch/pedal? Is this possible? >Perhaps this is an avenue for exploration? As you are suggesting it no, because it would require changing the main unit also which makes it very uneconomical. The point of the pedal is to be simple and direct. It covers most of the functions without using too many buttons, the main functions are easy, and it doesn't have a lot of stuff in it to break while getting kicked around the stage. For most people it covers everything they do with the echoplex. As you saw while proposing something else, everybody has different needs. As soon as you try to make a more complex pedal, you quickly get to where nobody agrees what it should do. If you put every function on it, it would be huge and unusable. If you take some functions out, some segment of users will not like it. That is why we have extensive midi control. If you want a more complex controller, use midi. Then you can customize it any way you want. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 11:54:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UGpHi03332; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:51:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:51:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031030084115.03926c78@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:55:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units In-Reply-To: <007501c39d73$f33a7400$0affff0a@hppav> References: <160.2777ba41.2ccff3fa@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8Wy1I.A.5z.FGUo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What David suggests here is very true. The Echoplex would have disappeared years ago if he had not organized a list of people who put themselves on a waiting list to get one at that time. Money talks loudest. If there are a lot of orders sitting there waiting to get filled, that's easy money. That situation will get the highest priority in any company. On the other hand, if they don't know the customers are out there, they will put their limited resources into something else. For you guys in Europe looking for an Echoplex, this is the best way I can think of to get the situation moving. Organize a list of people ready to buy. Put all the orders in at one place. The more people you can get on it the more powerful it will be. kim At 08:53 AM 10/28/2003, David wrote: >Link - I understand your frustration. If it is any consolation to you, >doing this last time was (I believe) in part helpful to encourage Gibson >to re-start EDP production -- which had stopped altogether then -- and >which they have continued since that time (1999??). >----- Original Message ----- >From: LinkTomlin@aol.com >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:31 AM >Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units > >One point though. Why would I want to give my money to a company for a >product, as good as it may be, that is obviously not interested in what it >is I wish to buy? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 12:14:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UHAJH10677; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:10:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:10:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C39F10.C695B920@dyn-81-166-25-124.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:02:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C39F10.C695B920" Resent-Message-ID: <8fMmqC.A.umC.7XUo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C39F10.C695B920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I forwarded 2 days ago to my dealer the mail explaining what the US = customers did ...=20 we'll see ... -----Message d'origine----- De: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Date: jeudi 30 octobre 2003 17:56 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units What David suggests here is very true. The Echoplex would have = disappeared=20 years ago if he had not organized a list of people who put themselves on = a=20 waiting list to get one at that time. Money talks loudest. If there are a lot of orders sitting there waiting = to=20 get filled, that's easy money. That situation will get the highest = priority=20 in any company. On the other hand, if they don't know the customers are = out=20 there, they will put their limited resources into something else. For you guys in Europe looking for an Echoplex, this is the best way I = can=20 think of to get the situation moving. Organize a list of people ready to = buy. Put all the orders in at one place. The more people you can get on = it=20 the more powerful it will be. kim At 08:53 AM 10/28/2003, David wrote: >Link - I understand your frustration. If it is any consolation to you, = >doing this last time was (I believe) in part helpful to encourage = Gibson=20 >to re-start EDP production -- which had stopped altogether then -- and=20 >which they have continued since that time (1999??). >----- Original Message ----- >From: LinkTomlin@aol.com >To:=20 >Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com=20 > >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:31 AM >Subject: Re: EDP in europe - freeing 350 warehoused units > >One point though. 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hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgAMgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4A PQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03AABq1A== ------ =_NextPart_000_01C39F10.C695B920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 12:18:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UHBFf10960; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:11:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:11:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c39f08$db12c120$5deea344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <01C39D40.EB816760@dyn-195-242-73-226.ppp.tiscali.fr> <5.1.1.6.2.20031030083045.04719fc8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:11:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.238.93] at Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:11:07 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can accept that it's technically not feasible to make changes to the footpedal as I've described them. And I can accept that the avenue to get full access to the features of the EDP is via MIDI. I was hoping the footpedal could (as a less complicated unit) offer an avenue of interface development. In any product development, differing user opinions would need to get balanced against final decisions that are best made by the product developer. Kim, you and Mattais know more about it than anyone. So, I'd trust your instincts. Still, differing user needs can be frustrating enough that you might not want to even try opening this potential can of worms. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? > At 08:23 AM 10/28/2003, David wrote: > >I have a question for the EDP developers and manufacturers regarding the > >interface. I accept changing the faceplate and hardware interface of the EDP > >unit would be prohibitively difficult and uneconomical. > > > >But what about changes to the EDP footswitch/pedal? Is this possible? > >Perhaps this is an avenue for exploration? > > As you are suggesting it no, because it would require changing the main > unit also which makes it very uneconomical. > > The point of the pedal is to be simple and direct. It covers most of the > functions without using too many buttons, the main functions are easy, and > it doesn't have a lot of stuff in it to break while getting kicked around > the stage. For most people it covers everything they do with the echoplex. > > As you saw while proposing something else, everybody has different needs. > As soon as you try to make a more complex pedal, you quickly get to where > nobody agrees what it should do. If you put every function on it, it would > be huge and unusable. If you take some functions out, some segment of users > will not like it. > > That is why we have extensive midi control. If you want a more complex > controller, use midi. Then you can customize it any way you want. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 12:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UHKrQ13755; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:20:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:20:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031030172046.84139.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:20:46 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Evangelizing Apples and Oranges To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200310301603.h9UG3bn21484@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In response to the current thread about comparing the EDP apple with the Repeater orange... well I guess this topic hasn't arisen in over a year so why not take a whack at it... :) The two devices are based on very different technology, each unit approaches seemingly simliar tasks in very different ways. The thing about it is that there are some functions that are identical or very nearly similar on the two boxes. They both radically depart from each other pretty early on. One of the big similarities concerns the loop starting point and the seamlessness of the EDP vs. the artifact created by the Repeater. Also that with the EDP, you can go immediately from recording your first loop to overdubbing without the obligatory 1 second wait that must be observed with the Repeater. This all stems from the difference in design architecture and I feel it is important to keep this in mind. One architecture allows an enormous number of possibilities along several paths, while the other architecture allows another enormous number of possibilities along several other paths. I own a Repeater and not the EDP. So I am very familiar with the quality of sound of the one and not the other. I hear a degradation of sound in the Repeater, though with proper gain staging, it is very slight. I have heard the EDP in several different situations, one of them being in one of my bands where the guitarist uses one quite often. Every time I've heard the EDP, my sense is that the quality of reproducing a sound is much lower than the Repeater. I wouldn't like to make this a hard and fast judgement because I've never worked with it myself. Certainly I could do the necessary optimizations to pull the maximum tone out of the EDP and get a real sense of it's quality of sound? Has anyone else done this and what do you have to report? My sense is that the EDP sucks tone more than the Repeater. A loss of high end while adding a digital harshness is what I've observed from the EDP. I'd love to hear that it's just improper gain staging and that it can really sound nice after all. A point about the Repeater that I have come to enjoy more and more (and really a point about the entire line of Electrix gear), is the incredibly well thought out front panel. Even a step above the rest of the Electrix line, the Repeater has such a nice feel to it. The raised silver section around the transport controls has these great details: Physical barriers between the reverse and stop buttons and the play and record buttons to discourage sloppy or inaccurate presses, indented undo, copy, and replace buttons to also encourage accuracy, very logical arrangement and flow of the panel overall, without an overwhelming variety of "press and hold these three buttons with your left hand while moving this fader with your nose and turning that fader with your johnson to get such and such special functions...", crystal clear understanding at a glance of what's going on throughout the system at a given moment. Andre LaFosse is a great example of someone who has gone in depth with the EDP and allows the tool to inform his own playing style and musical output. I use the Repeater in a similar way. It is so difficult to compare them. Though it seems to be pretty easy to want something to be what it's not. Like any tool, I'd encourage you to look at each piece of gear as containing it's own particular qualities and mysteries. It is then up to you to unlock for yourself some of what is available. Depending on who you are and how you work and where you want to go, each tool will work differently for each person. I work in an improv trio (two keyboardists and one guitar). The Repeater almost never comes into play because the sound is already rich and full enough. If that trio ever works as a duo (which happens often enough), the Repeater gets quite a workout. I rely on it to provide that extra layer of sound which I can rest on and do other things. And in a solo context, it becomes an essential and well used friend. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 12:43:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UHbMS18778; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:37:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:37:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.190.172 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c39f0c$78f9da10$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <005a01c39f08$db12c120$5deea344@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h9UHbMo18754 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a thought could a shift button function be added to the foot pedal that would give access to existing function like Reverse, Halfspeed, etc... The foot pedal could maintain it's normal function/modes and access addtional features by pressing shift and the existing button function. -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? I can accept that it's technically not feasible to make changes to the footpedal as I've described them. And I can accept that the avenue to get full access to the features of the EDP is via MIDI. I was hoping the footpedal could (as a less complicated unit) offer an avenue of interface development. In any product development, differing user opinions would need to get balanced against final decisions that are best made by the product developer. Kim, you and Mattais know more about it than anyone. So, I'd trust your instincts. Still, differing user needs can be frustrating enough that you might not want to even try opening this potential can of worms. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Another feature + Q. for EDP developers: updating the EDP footpedal?? > At 08:23 AM 10/28/2003, David wrote: > >I have a question for the EDP developers and manufacturers regarding > >the interface. I accept changing the faceplate and hardware interface > >of the EDP > >unit would be prohibitively difficult and uneconomical. > > > >But what about changes to the EDP footswitch/pedal? Is this > >possible? Perhaps this is an avenue for exploration? > > As you are suggesting it no, because it would require changing the > main unit also which makes it very uneconomical. > > The point of the pedal is to be simple and direct. It covers most of > the functions without using too many buttons, the main functions are > easy, and it doesn't have a lot of stuff in it to break while getting > kicked around the stage. For most people it covers everything they do > with the echoplex. > > As you saw while proposing something else, everybody has different > needs. As soon as you try to make a more complex pedal, you quickly > get to where nobody agrees what it should do. If you put every > function on it, it would be huge and unusable. If you take some > functions out, some segment of users > will not like it. > > That is why we have extensive midi control. If you want a more complex > controller, use midi. Then you can customize it any way you want. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 12:44:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UHg3K20031; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:42:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:42:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c39f1d$fa0efca0$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20031030082616.0444ed68@loopers-delight.com> Subject: LoopIV (Re: EDP PreviousLoop...) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:42:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7F5USC.A.34E.r1Uo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the answer, Kim. Hypothetically, is there room to add any more features in the architecture, or does LoopIV max the EDP out? -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: EDP PreviousLoop... > It is sort of an awkward function though. it came for free out of the > susnext function, so we took it. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 13:09:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UI5n228522; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-19.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1067537146!4236235 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.9.3; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D394708533C00@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL4 hacks Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:00:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39F0F.B021D940" Resent-Message-ID: <7UGwMD.A.g9G.9LVo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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>>the DL-4 doesn't have feedback control in the Loo= p mode. I suspect that is what the original poster [his name's greg] was wa= nting to hack it to do.<<

right right right, sorry both of you. I tend to think of = the dl4 as a delay box because I also have jam-mans and repeaters available= for looping, though I do use the dl4 for loops occasionally. the nearest y= ou'd get sans hack is to use one of the cleaner delays as a looping recorde= r.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C39F0F.B021D940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 13:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UIfeI05862; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:41:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:41:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031030112729.026a4618@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:39:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: In the Repeaters defense In-Reply-To: <009201c39ebc$958d1fc0$1861f93f@global> References: <200310300733.h9U7Xv227560@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:05 AM 10/30/2003 -0800, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >but I've heard no one talk about two of the very coolest features of the >much maligned Repeater that are phenomally wonderful for a >multi-insturmentalist like myself: > > [*snip*} > >2) You can have four simultaneous loops going with indedendent control of >the pitch and panning of each loop..... Overall, very well put Rick! And to that last point above, it has to be reiterated that the Repeater is also able to link those four tracks into two stereo pairs, making it a true stereo looper right out of the box. Of course, you can achieve stereo with the EDP through a slave unit, but that requires you to purchase an entire second unit for such basic functionality. It's a fact that has consistently knocked it out of the 'value-proposition' ballpark for myself (and others) who primarily work with stereo sources. As such, the Repeater is far more attractive for our particular setups... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 13:58:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UIsvb08986; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:54:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:54:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C39F1F.6442AE40@dyn-81-166-25-124.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: Francois LEBRUN To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Evangelizing Apples and Oranges Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:50:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C39F1F.644BD600" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C39F1F.644BD600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for this posting. if somebody as good clues on improving the sound quality, it is interesting (not meaning I need them, but I'd love to read about other's experience and tips). Also good point about the front panel design (not very impressed with = the EDP, lots of small labels; on the other hand, the display size is perfect, = very readable). crystal clear understanding at a glance of what's going on throughout = the system at a given moment I sure can see what you mean; and I also fully agree on the one about = "press and hold these 3 buttons etc etc ..." hmmmm .... mixed emotions I must say ... -----Message d'origine----- De: S V G [SMTP:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Date: jeudi 30 octobre 2003 18:21 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: Evangelizing Apples and Oranges In response to the current thread about comparing the EDP apple = with the Repeater orange... well I guess this topic hasn't arisen in over a year so why not take a = whack at it... :) The two devices are based on very different technology, each unit = approaches seemingly simliar tasks in very different ways. The thing about it is that there = are some functions that are identical or very nearly similar on the two boxes. They both = radically depart from each other pretty early on. One of the big similarities concerns the loop starting = point and the seamlessness of the EDP vs. the artifact created by the Repeater. Also = that with the EDP, you can go immediately from recording your first loop to overdubbing without the = obligatory 1 second wait that must be observed with the Repeater. This all stems from the = difference in design architecture and I feel it is important to keep this in mind. One = architecture allows an enormous number of possibilities along several paths, while the other = architecture allows another enormous number of possibilities along several other paths. I own a Repeater and not the EDP. So I am very familiar with the = quality of sound of the one and not the other. I hear a degradation of sound in the Repeater, = though with proper gain staging, it is very slight. I have heard the EDP in several different = situations, one of them being in one of my bands where the guitarist uses one quite often. = Every time I've heard the EDP, my sense is that the quality of reproducing a sound is much lower than = the Repeater. I wouldn't like to make this a hard and fast judgement because I've never worked = with it myself. Certainly I could do the necessary optimizations to pull the maximum tone out of the = EDP and get a real sense of it's quality of sound? Has anyone else done this and what do you = have to report? My sense is that the EDP sucks tone more than the Repeater. A loss of high end = while adding a digital harshness is what I've observed from the EDP. I'd love to hear that = it's just improper gain staging and that it can really sound nice after all. A point about the Repeater that I have come to enjoy more and more = (and really a point about the entire line of Electrix gear), is the incredibly well thought out = front panel. Even a step above the rest of the Electrix line, the Repeater has such a nice feel = to it. The raised silver section around the transport controls has these great details: Physical = barriers between the reverse and stop buttons and the play and record buttons to discourage = sloppy or inaccurate presses, indented undo, copy, and replace buttons to also encourage = accuracy, very logical arrangement and flow of the panel overall, without an overwhelming = variety of "press and hold these three buttons with your left hand while moving this fader with = your nose and turning that fader with your johnson to get such and such special functions...", = crystal clear understanding at a glance of what's going on throughout the system at a given moment. Andre LaFosse is a great example of someone who has gone in depth = with the EDP and allows the tool to inform his own playing style and musical output. I use the = Repeater in a similar way. It is so difficult to compare them. Though it seems to be pretty easy to = want something to be what it's not. Like any tool, I'd encourage you to look at each piece of = gear as containing it's own particular qualities and mysteries. It is then up to you to unlock for = yourself some of what is available. Depending on who you are and how you work and where you want = to go, each tool will work differently for each person. =20 I work in an improv trio (two keyboardists and one guitar). The = Repeater almost never comes into play because the sound is already rich and full enough. If that = trio ever works as a duo (which happens often enough), the Repeater gets quite a workout. I rely = on it to provide that extra layer of sound which I can rest on and do other things. And in a = solo context, it becomes an essential and well used friend. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Oct 2003 19:00:42.0654 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DEBF3E0:01C39F18] Resent-Message-ID: <50ld3D.A.f6C.e_Vo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C39F18.21AD1A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could you please turn the read receipts off ? =20 David Swain =20 -----Original Message----- From: Francois LEBRUN [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr]=20 Sent: 30 October 2003 6:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Evangelizing Apples and Oranges =20 =20 thanks for this posting.=20 if somebody as good clues on improving the sound quality,=20 it is interesting (not meaning I need them, but I'd love to read=20 about other's experience and tips).=20 Also good point about the front panel design (not very impressed with the EDP,=20 lots of small labels; on the other hand, the display size is perfect, very readable).=20 crystal clear understanding at a glance of what's going on throughout the system at a given moment=20 I sure can see what you mean; and I also fully agree on the one about "press and hold these 3 buttons etc etc ..."=20 hmmmm .... mixed emotions I must say ...=20 -----Message d'origine-----=20 De: S V G [SMTP:vsyevolod@yahoo.com]=20 Date: jeudi 30 octobre 2003 18:21=20 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Objet: Re: Evangelizing Apples and Oranges=20 =20 In response to the current thread about comparing the EDP apple with the Repeater orange...=20 well I guess this topic hasn't arisen in over a year so why not take a whack at it... :)=20 The two devices are based on very different technology, each unit approaches seemingly=20 simliar tasks in very different ways. The thing about it is that there are some functions that=20 are identical or very nearly similar on the two boxes. They both radically depart from each other=20 pretty early on. One of the big similarities concerns the loop starting point and the=20 seamlessness of the EDP vs. the artifact created by the Repeater. Also that with the EDP, you can=20 go immediately from recording your first loop to overdubbing without the obligatory 1 second wait=20 that must be observed with the Repeater. This all stems from the difference in design=20 architecture and I feel it is important to keep this in mind. One architecture allows an enormous=20 number of possibilities along several paths, while the other architecture allows another enormous=20 number of possibilities along several other paths.=20 I own a Repeater and not the EDP. So I am very familiar with the quality of sound of the one=20 and not the other. I hear a degradation of sound in the Repeater, though with proper gain=20 staging, it is very slight. I have heard the EDP in several different situations, one of them=20 being in one of my bands where the guitarist uses one quite often. Every time I've heard the EDP,=20 my sense is that the quality of reproducing a sound is much lower than the Repeater. I wouldn't=20 like to make this a hard and fast judgement because I've never worked with it myself. Certainly I=20 could do the necessary optimizations to pull the maximum tone out of the EDP and get a real sense=20 of it's quality of sound? Has anyone else done this and what do you have to report? My sense is=20 that the EDP sucks tone more than the Repeater. A loss of high end while adding a digital=20 harshness is what I've observed from the EDP. I'd love to hear that it's just improper gain=20 staging and that it can really sound nice after all.=20 A point about the Repeater that I have come to enjoy more and more (and really a point about=20 the entire line of Electrix gear), is the incredibly well thought out front panel. Even a step=20 above the rest of the Electrix line, the Repeater has such a nice feel to it. The raised silver=20 section around the transport controls has these great details: Physical barriers between the=20 reverse and stop buttons and the play and record buttons to discourage sloppy or inaccurate=20 presses, indented undo, copy, and replace buttons to also encourage accuracy, very logical=20 arrangement and flow of the panel overall, without an overwhelming variety of "press and hold=20 these three buttons with your left hand while moving this fader with your nose and turning that=20 fader with your johnson to get such and such special functions...", crystal clear understanding at=20 a glance of what's going on throughout the system at a given moment.=20 Andre LaFosse is a great example of someone who has gone in depth with the EDP and allows the=20 tool to inform his own playing style and musical output. I use the Repeater in a similar way. It=20 is so difficult to compare them. Though it seems to be pretty easy to want something to be what=20 it's not. Like any tool, I'd encourage you to look at each piece of gear as containing it's own=20 particular qualities and mysteries. It is then up to you to unlock for yourself some of what is=20 available. Depending on who you are and how you work and where you want to go, each tool will=20 work differently for each person. =20 I work in an improv trio (two keyboardists and one guitar). The Repeater almost never comes=20 into play because the sound is already rich and full enough. If that trio ever works as a duo=20 (which happens often enough), the Repeater gets quite a workout. I rely on it to provide that=20 extra layer of sound which I can rest on and do other things. And in a solo context, it becomes=20 an essential and well used friend.=20 Stephen=20 __________________________________=20 Do you Yahoo!?=20 Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears=20 HYPERLINK "http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/"http://launch.yahoo.com/p romos/britneyspears/=20 =20 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C39F18.21AD1A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Evangelizing Apples and Oranges

Could you please turn the read receipts off ?

 

David = Swain

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: Francois LEBRUN [mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr]
Sent: 30 October 2003 = 6:51 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Evangelizing = Apples and Oranges

 

 

thanks for this posting.

if somebody as good clues on improving the sound quality, =
it is interesting = (not meaning I need them, but I'd love to read
about other's = experience and tips).

Also good point about the front panel design (not very impressed with the = EDP,
lots of small labels; = on the other hand, the display size is perfect, very = readable).

crystal= clear understanding at a glance of what's going on throughout the system at a = given moment
I sure can see what = you mean; and I also fully agree on the one about "press and hold these = 3 buttons etc etc ..." =

hmmmm .... mixed emotions I must say ... =

-----Mes= sage d'origine-----
De:    <= /span> S V G [SMTP:vsyevolod@yahoo.com]
Date:   jeudi = 30 octobre 2003 18:21
=C0:    &= nbsp; Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet:  Re: Evangelizing Apples and Oranges =

 

 &= nbsp;   In response to the current thread about comparing the EDP apple with the Repeater orange...
well I guess this topic hasn't arisen in over a = year so why not take a whack at it...   :)

 &= nbsp;   The two devices are based on very different technology, each unit = approaches seemingly
simliar tasks in very different ways.  The = thing about it is that there are some functions that
are identical or very nearly similar on the two boxes.  They both radically depart from each other =
pretty early on.  One of the big similarities concerns the loop starting point and the
seamlessness of the EDP vs. the artifact created = by the Repeater.  Also that with the EDP, you can
go immediately from recording your first loop to overdubbing without the obligatory 1 second wait
that must be observed with the Repeater.  = This all stems from the difference in design
architecture and I feel it is important to keep = this in mind.  One architecture allows an enormous
number of possibilities along several paths, while = the other architecture allows another enormous
number of possibilities along several other = paths.

 &= nbsp;   I own a Repeater and not the EDP.  So I am very familiar with the = quality of sound of the one
and not the other.  I hear a degradation of = sound in the Repeater, though with proper gain
staging, it is very slight.  I have heard the = EDP in several different situations, one of them
being in one of my bands where the guitarist uses = one quite often.  Every time I've heard the EDP,
my sense is that the quality of reproducing a = sound is much lower than the Repeater.  I wouldn't
like to make this a hard and fast judgement = because I've never worked with it myself.  Certainly I
could do the necessary optimizations to pull the = maximum tone out of the EDP and get a real sense
of it's quality of sound?  Has anyone else = done this and what do you have to report?  My sense is
that the EDP sucks tone more than the = Repeater.  A loss of high end while adding a digital
harshness is what I've observed from the = EDP.  I'd love to hear that it's just improper gain
staging and that it can really sound nice after = all.

 &= nbsp;   A point about the Repeater that I have come to enjoy more and more (and = really a point about
the entire line of Electrix gear), is the = incredibly well thought out front panel.  Even a step
above the rest of the Electrix line, the Repeater = has such a nice feel to it.  The raised silver
section around the transport controls has these = great details: Physical barriers between the
reverse and stop buttons and the play and record = buttons to discourage sloppy or inaccurate
presses, indented undo, copy, and replace buttons = to also encourage accuracy, very logical
arrangement and flow of the panel overall, without = an overwhelming variety of "press and hold
these three buttons with your left hand while = moving this fader with your nose and turning that
fader with your johnson to get such and such = special functions...", crystal clear understanding at
a glance of what's going on throughout the system = at a given moment.

 &= nbsp;   Andre LaFosse is a great example of someone who has gone in depth with = the EDP and allows the
tool to inform his own playing style and musical output.  I use the Repeater in a similar way.  = It
is so difficult to compare them.  Though it = seems to be pretty easy to want something to be what
it's not.  Like any tool, I'd encourage you = to look at each piece of gear as containing it's own
particular qualities and mysteries.  It is = then up to you to unlock for yourself some of what is
available.  Depending on who you are and how = you work and where you want to go, each tool will
work differently for each person.  =

 &= nbsp;   I work in an improv trio (two keyboardists and one guitar).  The = Repeater almost never comes
into play because the sound is already rich and = full enough.  If that trio ever works as a duo
(which happens often enough), the Repeater gets = quite a workout.  I rely on it to provide that
extra layer of sound which I can rest on and do = other things.  And in a solo context, it becomes
an essential and well used = friend.

 &= nbsp;   Stephen





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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C39F18.21AD1A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 14:24:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UJL0u16972; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: Repeater gain staging tips (Was: RE: evangelize EDP please) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:22:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031030160124.23308.qmail@web21312.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: <-qQOKD.A.CJE.cSWo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] > > --- Lance Chance wrote: > > man, you are the second guy to mention my gain stages. i > guess i'll have > > to go home and tweek that stuff some more to see if i'm missing > something. > > say, are you fellows using a compressor on the input of the > thing? maybe > > that's my problem. > > I don't, but I do use a preamp (line level output) before it gets to the > Repeater. Either a DG Stomp, or an old Roland GP16. The Repeater > then feeds > either a professional mix console or a power amp directly. > > Greg A few of the Roland VG-88 patches I use have a little compression added as an effect in the patch, and the distorted guitar patches have a simulated "tube overdrive compression." But I also use the Repeater with my acoustic guitar pickup output with no compression, and that's a very dynamic signal. I just try to make sure that my levels are set barely under the clipping point. That's critical for pushing down the noise floor (especially in a 16-bit system like this). Get those input levels hot! If you can't get a hot enough input level without lighting up the clip LED's, then you could try throwing a limiter ahead of the Repeater's inputs. That will tame the peaks and let you run a hotter input. Even a good limiter will mess with your attack transients though, so I'd only use this idea as a last resort. I think it's also a good idea to avoid using the instrument input on the front panel. I have a feeling the preamp on that circuit isn't super-high quality. Like Greg, I have a preamp (Roland VG-88) ahead of the Repeater, and I use the stereo line inputs on the back of the Repeater. One final tip -- I know this sounds dumb, but make sure the Line/Phono button on the back panel is in the out position, if you're using those line inputs. It's easy to accidentally press that button when you're groping around inside a rack case making cable connections. -- Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 14:42:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9UJbv821250; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:37:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:37:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen " To: Subject: RE: EDP in europe Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:37:49 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c39f1d$50ec3070$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C39F1D.50EE7A60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <6f.3db55e91.2cd2770a@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <8M-WlC.A.5LF.ViWo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C39F1D.50EE7A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish it was that simple. I'd love to sell these cheap to anyone who wants one, but the situation with Gibson is delicate and very complex. Only time will tell what happens to the EDPs; I'll post news when I have it. Sorry I can't be more help but my hands are tied and I think I've already said more than I should have done on the subject. -----Original Message----- From: LinkTomlin@aol.com [mailto:LinkTomlin@aol.com] Sent: 30 October 2003 14:16 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP in europe Hello Andy, I'm guessing you've had a few mails about this. I read your mail on the Loopers Delight mailing list re Gibson and Echoplexes you have sitting there. I am in England and was wondering if it is possible to buy one from you guys directly? I am still considering as to if I can afford the purchase to be honest and trying to justify one to myself as an early xmas pressie without trawling around the world and all the import duty etc that entails, or waiting forever for a Gibson dealer here to have any in stock. Regards Link ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C39F1D.50EE7A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wish it was = that simple. I’d love to sell these cheap to anyone who wants one, but the = situation with Gibson is delicate and very complex. Only time will tell what = happens to the EDPs; I’ll post news when I have it. Sorry I can’t be = more help but my hands are tied and I think I’ve already said more than I = should have done on the subject.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: LinkTomlin@aol.com [mailto:LinkTomlin@aol.com]
Sent: 30 October 2003 = 14:16
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP in = europe

 

Hello Andy,

I'm guessing you've had a few mails about this. I read your mail on the = Loopers Delight mailing list re Gibson and Echoplexes you have sitting there. I = am in England and was wondering if it is possible to buy one from you guys = directly?

I am still considering as to if I can afford the purchase to be honest = and trying to justify one to myself as an early xmas pressie without = trawling around the world and all the import duty etc that entails, or waiting = forever for a Gibson dealer here to have any in stock.

Regards

Link

------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C39F1D.50EE7A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 21:57:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9V2uXW13867; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:56:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:56:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031029204439.00a0f9c0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:44:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Another feature for my ideal EDP wishlist In-Reply-To: <0981B7E9-0919-11D8-B819-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6qcfnD.A.kYD.g9co_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, you can set moreloops to the max number of loops you think you'll usually end up using, and then use a midi controller to trigger loops independantly so you won't have to go through the whole set of them, I.E. go back and forth between loops 1 and 2 while leaving the rest unused. -you may have of course, already thought of that, but just tryin' to help. Have a wonderful night!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 10.27.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 22:20:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9V3Hum24337; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:17:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:17:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031029210604.007cd860@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:06:04 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Loop windowing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone mentioned defining the beginning and end of a loop window. This is possible already in Loop IV. I personally use sus unrounded multiply quite alot, and once you've established a window, you can then redefine it at will simply by remultiplying the loop. One of the things I like to do, is to multiply a really tiny loop length, (thank you Andre, -or I should say, West Coast Andre! lol!) and then, after windowing a bit with that, redefine the loop length to a larger loop again, and window through some more until I get something I like. You can effectively arrive at the same or similar loop length you started with this way. It's tres' cool! Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 10.27.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 22:29:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9V3RJZ28228; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:27:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031029211526.007d1ce0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:15:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please In-Reply-To: <0487EABF-0A27-11D8-9B82-0003934B0748@ubiq.co.uk> References: <002301c39e2c$7c0444b0$0100a8c0@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I'm sure many have replied to this by the time I'm getting to this one, (busy week) -Have you got time for an enormous list?!!! lol! If you don't get your answer, lemme' know and I'd be happy to name several features. Smiles, Cara At 03:46 PM 10/29/03 +0000, you wrote: >OK, I get the picture, but I'm trying to clarify what the EDP does that >the Repeater doesn't... > >Paul > > >On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 02:53 pm, Claude Voit wrote: > >> I have 3 >> Claude >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Greenstein" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:18 PM >> Subject: evangelize EDP please >> >> >>> Assuming that some people are using both the EDP and Repeater, can >>> someone evangelize a bit about the EDP for me? - or maybe make a few >>> comparisons... >>> >>> I'm tempted to buy an EDP (if I can find one), but as I already use >>> the >>> Repeater, I'm having difficulty justifying it as opposed to buying a >>> new guitar or whatever... >>> >>> Paul >>> >> >> > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 10.27.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 23:04:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9V41A109875; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:01:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:01:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031029214917.01a7f730@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:49:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: In the Repeaters defense In-Reply-To: <009201c39ebc$958d1fc0$1861f93f@global> References: <200310300733.h9U7Xv227560@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <59O-q.A.MaC.G6do_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Though I'm a devout convert to the EDP, I was planning to post something similar to this, but about the sound quality of the REpeater. I keep hearing people say how cold the REpeater sounds, and from my experiences, I just wouldn't characterize it like that at all. I personally think it does a pretty faithful job of representing what one plays into it. Personally, none of the ones I've played through have ever sounded cold in my opinion, and I've been impressed with their sound quality. Smiles, Cara At 12:05 AM 10/30/03 -0800, you wrote: > >I have two EDPs and love them dearly (and am starting to even understand >them a little............lol) > >but I've heard no one talk about two of the very coolest features of the >much maligned Repeater >that are phenomally wonderful for a multi-insturmentalist like myself: > >1) You can play a loop as a chromatic instrument over three octaves while >the machine >constantly does all the time stretching to keep the rhytms intact as you >pitch shift. > >This either allows me to play rhythms with static loops (like me trilling a >single note with my mouth) >or it allows me to modulate a pattern's pitch and hence the whole harmony of >the 'section' you have just created >by doing so. > >All of this can be done with midi pedals used like ersatz organ footpedals > >2) You can have four simultaneous loops going with indedendent control of >the pitch and panning of each >loop..................with four separate outs going into four muteable >channels on a mixer, this is very, very powerful >as a live performance option > >My brother is getting amazing sounds by using the output of his guitar synth >arpeggiator (without the sonic output) >and rhythmically tuning his loops (from drone sounds to hand drum sounds) >creating really cool rhythmic tracks >that I've never heard anything like before. It is a simple technique but >the Repeater is the only instrument that >can do this so far. > >Well, back to work on my EDP >sophistication..............................lol. > >Rick Walker > > > > --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 10.27.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 30 23:04:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9V41bP10049; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031031040130.59176.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: read receipts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200310301924.h9UJOEG17882@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is a read receipt? > > Could you please turn the read receipts off ? > > David Swain __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 04:20:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9V9I7Y05293; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:18:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20031030030614.009897f0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:06:14 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Project Object Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8XECDD.A.mSB.Pjio_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I'm being Tada! -Insomnia Girl! -again, and wanted to post this earlier, so I thought I'd write. I had the pleasure of seeing and spending time with Project Object this past week, and want to encourage anyone in the Seattle area today (Halloween) to drop whatever you're doing and GO SEE THEM! Not only are they truly amazing and dynamic musicians, but truly special and wonderful people. They're total sweethearts and I loved spending time with them. Go and say hi to these guys, and show your support for such great music and people who really deserve it. You'll be glad you did. -Just two cents from a crazy Boulder babe. -Happy Halloweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!! Screams, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 10.27.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 04:21:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9V9JTY05460; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:19:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:19:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:19:22 +0100 Subject: Re: In the Repeaters defense From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031029214917.01a7f730@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-10-30 05.49, "Goddess" wrote: > Personally, none of the ones I've played through have ever sounded cold in > my opinion, and I've been impressed with their sound quality. > > Smiles, > > Cara I agree. And there's nothing, as far as I know, that can sound like a repeater slowed down from 150 bpm to 1 bpm. To me that sound is the most amzing part of using a Repeater. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 04:30:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9V9R8e06553; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:27:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:27:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1428 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:27:02 +0100 Subject: Re: In the Repeaters defense From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009201c39ebc$958d1fc0$1861f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 03-10-30 09.05, "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > 1) You can play a loop as a chromatic instrument over three octaves while > the machine > constantly does all the time stretching to keep the rhytms intact as you > pitch shift. > > This either allows me to play rhythms with static loops (like me trilling a > single note with my mouth) > or it allows me to modulate a pattern's pitch and hence the whole harmony of > the 'section' you have just created > by doing so. > > All of this can be done with midi pedals used like ersatz organ footpedals > > 2) You can have four simultaneous loops going with indedendent control of > the pitch and panning of each > loop..................with four separate outs going into four muteable > channels on a mixer, this is very, very powerful > as a live performance option > > 3) My brother is getting amazing sounds by using the output of his guitar synth > arpeggiator (without the sonic output) > and rhythmically tuning his loops (from drone sounds to hand drum sounds) > creating really cool rhythmic tracks > that I've never heard anything like before. It is a simple technique but > the Repeater is the only instrument that > can do this so far. The new software Live 3.0 does these three tricks this as well. But NOT in rec/ordoverdub mode with a feedback setting. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 08:54:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VDmij15029; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:48:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:48:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:48:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: TC Electronics D-Two From: Paul Greenstein To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have any experience of the TC D-Two? Looking at the spec, it seems to do some very interesting things with tapped delays, creating rhythmic patterns and so on. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 09:32:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VETGX27994; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031031142914.82185.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:29:14 -0800 (PST) From: Hedger Keith Subject: Re: TC Electronics D-Two To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do. I bought one a couple of months ago. Haven't learned much about it yet, but I can tell you that it sounds very good, has some of the features of the old TC 2290 plus some new ones, offers a boatload of MIDI control possibilities, and is pretty reasonably priced (I think I paid $499 at sweetwater.com) k --- Paul Greenstein wrote: > Does anyone have any experience of the TC D-Two? > Looking at the spec, > it seems to do some very interesting things with > tapped delays, > creating rhythmic patterns and so on. > > > > > Paul > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 10:25:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VFMN911628; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:22:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c39ef9$a57d3f40$0f605cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #345 for October 30, 2003 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:22:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39ECF.AFEBF040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39ECF.AFEBF040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #345 October 30, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Michael Stearns, who = helped define the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The = Storm" on Spotted Peccary. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer World" by Kraftwerk on = Warner Brothers. I played the music of Orbital Decay, one of the two local bands which = will appear at the next Gathering. Check the Events page for details. Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct Events - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Kraftwerk It's More Fun To Compute Computer World (Warner = Bros.) Under the Dome Launch Wot No Colin? (Neu = Harmony) Under the Dome Return Wot No Colin? (Neu = Harmony) Radio Massagre International Mass Solid States (Northern = Echo) International Orbital Decay Y2K Eve Re-Entry (none) Matthias Grob Rio Profundo Ouvir Mais Pedir Menos = (Pillow Mountain) Jeffrey Koepper Timeless Etherea (Air Space) Jeffrey Koepper Ancient Sunlight Etherea (Air Space) 12:00 am Michael Stearns The Storm The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns The Dream The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns The Gathering The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns Hantu The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns Distant Train, Distant The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Thunder Michael Stearns The Path Between The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns Cenote The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns The Light in the Trees The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns From the Cradle The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns The Last Feeling The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns Surrender The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) Michael Stearns Bajan The Storm (Spotted = Peccary) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Vir Unis. The = Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Drift Inside" on the Green House label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA = Victor. I will play the music from some of the bands that will be performing at = the upcoming Gathering and Gate to Moonbase Alpha. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39ECF.AFEBF040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #345       =20             October 30, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Michael = Stearns, who helped
define the spacemusic genre.  The Featured = CD at=20 Midnight was "The Storm" on
Spotted Peccary.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer World" by Kraftwerk on=20 Warner
Brothers.
 
I played the music of Orbital Decay, one of the two local bands = which=20 will
appear at the next Gathering.  Check the Events page for=20 details.
 
Michael Stearns - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#oct
Ev= ents=20 - http://wdiy.org/prog= rams/emusic/events.html
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00=20 pm
Kraftwerk         &nbs= p;    =20 It's More Fun To Compute Computer World (Warner Bros.)
Under the=20 Dome         =20 Launch           &= nbsp;      =20 Wot No Colin? (Neu Harmony)
Under the=20 Dome         =20 Return           &= nbsp;      =20 Wot No Colin? (Neu Harmony)
Radio=20 Massagre          = International=20 Mass       Solid States (Northern = Echo)
 =20 International
Orbital=20 Decay           Y2K=20 Eve           &nbs= p;     =20 Re-Entry (none)
Matthias=20 Grob           Rio=20 Profundo           = ; =20 Ouvir Mais Pedir Menos=20 (Pillow
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 Mountain)
Jeffrey = Koepper        =20 Timeless           = ;     =20 Etherea (Air Space)
Jeffrey=20 Koepper         Ancient=20 Sunlight         Etherea (Air=20 Space)
 
12:00 am
Michael = Stearns        =20 The=20 Storm           &n= bsp;   =20 The Storm (Spotted Peccary)
Michael=20 Stearns         The=20 Dream           &n= bsp;   =20 The Storm (Spotted Peccary)
Michael=20 Stearns         The=20 Gathering          &nbs= p; The=20 Storm (Spotted Peccary)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Hantu           &n= bsp;       =20 The Storm (Spotted Peccary)
Michael=20 Stearns         Distant Train,=20 Distant   The Storm (Spotted=20 Peccary)
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Thunder
Michael = Stearns         The=20 Path Between         The Storm = (Spotted=20 Peccary)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Cenote           &= nbsp;      =20 The Storm (Spotted Peccary)
Michael=20 Stearns         The Light in the = Trees   The Storm (Spotted Peccary)
Michael=20 Stearns         From the=20 Cradle          The Storm = (Spotted=20 Peccary)
Michael = Stearns         The=20 Last Feeling         The Storm = (Spotted=20 Peccary)
Michael = Stearns        =20 Surrender          &nbs= p;    =20 The Storm (Spotted Peccary)
Michael=20 Stearns        =20 Bajan           &n= bsp;       =20 The Storm (Spotted Peccary)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ = =3D Advance CDR=20 from Artist
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus = on Vir=20 Unis.  The Featured CD
at Midnight will be "The Drift Inside" on = the=20 Green House label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA=20 Victor.
 
I will play the music from some of the bands that will be = performing at=20 the
upcoming Gathering and Gate to Moonbase Alpha.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C39ECF.AFEBF040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 12:18:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VHDIJ17447; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:13:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:13:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.23] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP PreviousLoop... Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:13:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2003 17:13:11.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[43267C10:01C39FD2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could anyone say what midi pedal could do this?? im really interested in the possibilitys and dont know what to go for, similarly if anyone has advice on the "best" midi pedal wih the most access to fuctions could they drop me a line. Phill >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP PreviousLoop... >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:30:11 -0800 > >At 03:08 AM 10/30/2003, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: >>Just started trying to program banks into my Behringer FCB1010 yesterday >>and thinking, "Wish there way a way to move to a previous loop as well as >>a next loop..." when Kim comes along on the list today and says that there >>is a PreviousLoop command. >> >>I consulted the manual and it states, thusly: "Note that only sending the >>Note Off component of SUSNextLoop gives you the command PreviousLoop." >> >>As far as I can tell the FCB1010 sends Note On at pedal depression, and >>Note Off on pedal release, but not either or. I.e. there is no way to >>only send just a Note Off message with the FCB1010, and thus no way to use >>that controller to attain the coveted PreviousLoop command functionality. > >right. that is the problem with using a limited pedal. you can't do >everything. With full featured midi pedals this sort of thing is easy. > >It is sort of an awkward function though. it came for free out of the >susnext function, so we took it. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 12:28:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VHNlK19800; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:23:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:23:43 -0600 x-sender: billmonk@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bill Monk To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <20031031172341.UNFS1852.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.123.148]> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agree with some of the other comments about Bose, but assuming the thing works, it's I think it's an exciting idea. I regularly play through a PA that cost its owners over $300,000, including a top-of-the-line Allen & Heath console, multiple Left-Center-Right speaker clusters, huge amount of power, and individual personal monitor mixers for each player. It sounds great if you play a CD through it but live it is terrible on stage, and by all accounts the house sound isn't too great either. So while this Bose rig might not exactly work for an Ozzy concert, at reasonable volumes the concept at least makes a lot of sense. Classical guitarist Sharon Isbin has been doing somethign similar for year, carrying a small system for her guitar, with its speakers placed behind the orchestra. I heard this once, and although classical guitar bores me a little (character flaw no doubt :) it did sound great. Believe she's talked about it in a number of articles, but here is one I just found. http://www.sharonisbin.com/magazine.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 12:56:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VHrKd24459; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:53:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:53:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20031031175319.1065.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:53:19 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20031031172341.UNFS1852.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.123.148]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Bill Monk wrote: > Agree with some of the other comments about Bose, but assuming the thing > works, it's I think it's an exciting idea. I read all the content-free marketing junk on their website and they never address the issues of the volume being too loud for the performers or how they deal with feedback. I just don't see how it could work at anything over a whisper level. By the time you're hearing yourself well enough to sing, you're going to be feeding back. Many years ago, the Grateful Dead had a high tech (for the time) PA setup which sat behind the band. They used two mics for every singer and messed with the phase on them to try and eliminate the feedback. By all the accounts I've read, they had huge problems with it and it never sounded good, so they eventually abandoned the idea. > So while this Bose rig might not exactly work for an Ozzy concert, at > reasonable volumes the concept at least makes a lot of sense. I still don't get it. It -might- work in a small coffeehouse, but they show a big stage in their diagrams. How is that going to provide enough volume or gain before feedback for a space the size of the room that would have a stage that big in it? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 13:57:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VIqWr02743; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:52:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:52:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c39fe0$3c7e32a0$5e9f5142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20031031175319.1065.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:53:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I read all the content-free marketing junk on their website and they never > address the issues of the volume being too loud for the performers or how they > deal with feedback. I just don't see how it could work at anything over a whisper > level. By the time you're hearing yourself well enough to sing, you're going to > be feeding back. > > I still don't get it. It -might- work in a small coffeehouse, but they show a big > stage in their diagrams. How is that going to provide enough volume or gain > before feedback for a space the size of the room that would have a stage that big > in it? > > Greg Once again, In-Ear monitor systems seem to be the answer to all this. No backline (if you don't want it), no live monitors to feed back into microphones, no feedback when you want to distort or ring-modulate your voice (open mic source on stage), and a great stereo mix (or you on the left / band on the right, whatever) in the ear monitors. When I get the bucks, I'm going in-ear... forget loud stage problems completely. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 15:14:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VK59A15028; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:05:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:05:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain; encoding=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.6 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:03:51 UT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dendy@musicgearnetwork.com Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net Subject: Some incredible news for my band... Message-Id: <200310311503843.SM05344@mgnweb1> X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO: (303563046) X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALREVDNS: (303563046) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: stanner read this about the bose stuff: I thought you might be interested in reading this MusicPlayer.com forum topic: http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=000388 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 18:16:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9VN8Ot14926; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:08:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:08:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20031031142914.82185.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: TC Electronics D-Two Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:08:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2003 23:08:18.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF05A120:01C3A003] Resent-Message-ID: <5vK94C.A.IpD.otuo_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Does anyone have any experience of the TC D-Two? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200207/msg00648.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 19:28:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA10LXj26501; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:21:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20031031121814.045f7ec0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:09:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound In-Reply-To: <20031031175319.1065.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031031172341.UNFS1852.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.123.148]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:53 AM 10/31/2003 -0800, Greg House wrote: >--- Bill Monk wrote: > > Agree with some of the other comments about Bose, but assuming the thing > > works, it's I think it's an exciting idea. > >I read all the content-free marketing junk on their website and they never >address the issues of the volume being too loud for the performers or how they >deal with feedback. I just don't see how it could work at anything over a >whisper >level. By the time you're hearing yourself well enough to sing, you're >going to >be feeding back. Not to mention that it looks as if their materials stress having the band mix themselves, which usually turns out to be a bad idea in all but the smallest of venues. After all, do you want your sound controlled by a technician at the front of the house who can hear just what your audience hears, or do you want your sound controlled by the guy standing next to the drummer. :P Also, speaking of 'content-free', has anybody been able to dig up a power rating, dB levels, or anything to give one an idea just how loud these things really are? -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 20:18:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA11GXa02906; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:16:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:16:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c3a026$96f6e470$0200a8c0@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP PreviousLoop... Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:16:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The coveted and no-longer-made Digitech PMC-10 should be able to do it. I've heard (on this list) that the also-no-longer-produced MIDI Mitigator (http://www.synthony.com/vintage/mitigator.html) is very powerful. A Peavey PC1600X MIDI control surface (http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html), which can have its buttons remotely controlled by MIDI becomes one of the most powerful foot-controlled MIDI control devices in existence when paired with a simple unit like the Behringer FCB1010. But then you are at ~$275 for the PC1600X + ~$135 for the FCB1010... The FCB1010 is probably the most cost effective solution to controlling something like the EDP right now. You can access all the DirectMIDI expanded controls, except PreviousLoop. Although, as Cara mentioned, you can just use the DirectMIDI commands to jump to Loop1, Loop2, Loop3, etc. with the FCB1010 to get wherever you want without scrolling through loop numbers. There is massive literature on the FCB1010 regarding its merits, faults, and fitness for EDP/Repeater control in the LD archives from the last year. Good luck. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "lol c" To: Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Re: EDP PreviousLoop... > Could anyone say what midi pedal could do this?? > > im really interested in the possibilitys and dont know what to go for, > similarly if anyone has advice on the "best" midi pedal wih the most access > to fuctions could they drop me a line. > > Phill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 31 20:43:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id hA11cvb05877; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:38:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:38:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3FA30E3E.B7CAC7B@pixar.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:37:02 -0800 From: Alex Stahl Organization: Pixar Animation Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bose Offers New Take on Live Sound References: <20031031172341.UNFS1852.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.123.148]> <5.1.1.6.2.20031031121814.045f7ec0@spamarrest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Catilyne wrote: > > Also, speaking of 'content-free', has anybody been able to dig up a power > rating, dB levels, or anything to give one an idea just how loud these > things really are? > The article urled below says each column has 24 30W drivers in it, that is 720 W per, not counting subs. Who knows what the amps can deliver. http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2003/10/20/acoustics_a_new_approach_to_amplifying_live_music_aims_to_cut_distortion_and_reverberation/ btw the inverse square 'law' is only 'enforced' for spherical radiation. I think cylindrical radiation falls off at 3dB per doubling of distance instead of 6. How low in frequency they're able to maintain something like a cylindrical response from a five-foot tall line-array, I don't know. The MA-12(http://pro.bose.com/pro/dd/product/pdfs/Panaray_MA12/MA12TechData.pdf) probably shares some lineage with this new product, and claims cylindrical radiation only above 2kHz. Still, that would seem useful for gain before feedback and coverage concerns, if one uses the backline as the mains as the monitors. In my opinion, using the mains as monitors is often viable. I used the mains as monitors with my band for years, and used the monitors as mains with the Kronos Quartet in some pretty big halls. The annoying part of the marketing to me is not the concept or technology but the claim that it's all so innovative, but what else is new? -Alex S.