From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 00:20:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h714IXf06234; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: rds7.6 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:18:26 -0400 Message-ID: <009d01c357e3$f49e17a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030731225218.59084.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe I'm the crankiest. Bad couple of weeks, death in the family, working 18 hours a day. Festivals coming out of my ears. Other musicians problems. Sorry if I laid some of my attitude to the list. I've got to take some of my own advise and let it go. Happy Birthday! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: rds7.6 --- Will Brake wrote: > I might suggest you be careful > about suggesting tweaks without including a > disclaimer as to the results. (Note to Michael Lameyer: better make some more popcorn!) Did you read the link that was posted in the message you replied to? Here it is again: What is there in Leander's description that isn't specific enough? There are descriptions of the results including mention of reduced frequency response, there are warnings to mark the position of the trims so it's reversible if you don't like the results... > I personally prefer my digital delay > without distortion... I think the point is to change the bias just to the point of audible distortion, and then back it off enough that the distortion becomes inaudible. And that's that's a maximum adjustment; he does imply pretty clearly that most people will be happy with something less extreme. (He says "you have to experiment a little bit to find out what's okay for you.") If the tweak is done correctly, the audible result is not really 'distortion' per se in the sense of clipping, as much as it is a poorer frequency response. Still a type of distortion as it is indeed a degradation from the original, but it's not always undesirable given the intentions of the tweak. Personally, I think it would be cool to install a multiposition rotary switch on the 7.6 that would allow the user to choose between several bias resistor value 'resolutions' all the way from the pristine (for its day) factory spec down to 'long mangled delay', with several stops in between... > Maybe next time I won't try to help or maybe I'll > write some convoluted reply that misses the point >completely. I guess the "piss in my cornflakes" was that kind of sarcasm. I may be wrong, and I don't still have the original message you were responding to, but wasn't the suggestion to check the trimpots also an attempt to help? I read it as "Check the trimpots to see if they're properly adjusted, because a lot of people do this well-known tweak", not "Go in and fool around with the settings." Ordinarily I wouldn't be a candidate for "Crankiest Looper", but today's my birthday... :^P I just drove all the way to a music store (not even remotely my favorite, but they do have the largest selection around here) because there was a used stompbox I wanted to buy; when I tried it out, it was moribund. Maybe someone had been playing around with the trimpots. :-) -t- np: Jeff Beck - 'Who Else?' while I await the delayed new one... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 00:32:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h714UDN07904; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.35.146.244] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Subject: Used Repeater Prices Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:29:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010A_01C357BB.A45683E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:29:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2003 04:30:07.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[960E9050:01C357E5] Resent-Message-ID: <30pUmB.A.Z7B.VzeK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01C357BB.A45683E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_010B_01C357BB.A4580A80" ------=_NextPart_001_010B_01C357BB.A4580A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anybody know what a decent price should be for a used repeater? I'm = talking about a used one with the power cable and the manual, possibly = the box and the 16 MB CFC card. There's been several up on Ebay lately = with more or less options than this, and the prices have been all over = the place--in terms of what people are getting for them and in terms of = what people are willing to pay (anywhere from $510 to $899 for a whole = 'kit' -- the 'kit' including a midi controller, 32 MB and 16 MB CFCs and = a card reader). I realize that different options will lead to different prices, but if = you look at the recent sales links, there seems to be inconsistencies = within "grade" and "options," as well as across these categories. Wanted to find out what seems reasonable, as now that I've gotten rid of = the GNX-3, I wanted to try the Repeater as a compliment to my EDPs . . . Thanx for any opinions, estimations, etc!=20 David D=20 ------=_NextPart_001_010B_01C357BB.A4580A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anybody know what a decent price should be for a used repeater? I'm = talking=20 about a used one with the power cable and the manual, possibly the box = and the=20 16 MB CFC card. There's been several up on Ebay lately with more or less = options=20 than this, and the prices have been all over the place--in terms of what = people=20 are getting for them and in terms of what people are willing to pay = (anywhere=20 from $510 to $899 for a whole 'kit' -- the 'kit' including a midi = controller, 32=20 MB and 16 MB CFCs and a card reader).
 
I realize that different options will lead to different prices, but = if you=20 look at the recent sales links, there seems to be = inconsistencies within=20 "grade" and "options," as well as across these categories.
 
Wanted to find out what seems reasonable, as now that I've gotten = rid of=20 the GNX-3, I wanted to try the Repeater as a compliment to my EDPs . . = .
 
Thanx for any opinions, estimations, etc! 3D"Smiley
 
David D 
------=_NextPart_001_010B_01C357BB.A4580A80-- ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01C357BB.A45683E0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Emoticon1.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <010901c357e5$8d18b5c0$f49223c7@woodyallen> R0lGODlhEwATALMPAPXv3v3pTvDHOei2K9u4a9qoLunPkLGLMdOZKfvbQMeyl5p4J+7JbrebXoAy GAAAACH5BAEAAA8ALAAAAAATABMAAASu8EkJDBNjMAOmf5UgJEGQJBj3AVfpuslAdBRDvu8p04YQ CIuFrzQIDgQFA2i4AAAWruYTgwiVFopnNCsUICy3hUMBvY67hcYwIHaU2Q43ZnAYuIDCUixYmC8G NzgmJyIZBQcXgYMnKIUDCA09jA4FgCcFCA4ZdFlHl5SbmQiGBx0GR0iZcXEIo5wUBH1ImK2tGQcN NCCxm70Dh7krBq2VvwgHB1kfExUNBwu4yh4RADs= ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01C357BB.A45683E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 01:04:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7152Sa12665; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:02:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:02:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:02:20 EDT Subject: Re: rds7.6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ac.4525db4b.2c5b4e5c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ac.4525db4b.2c5b4e5c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/03 1:44:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > I'm not advising people without electronic knowledge > to open their boxes "and start turning ALL the > adjustments" willy-nilly, to put their tongues on > large capacitors or to run with pointy screwdrivers. > When I was in tech school, we used to leave charged-up large capacitors laying around the lab... --part1_ac.4525db4b.2c5b4e5c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/31/03 1:44:20 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:

I'm not advising people without= electronic knowledge
to open their boxes "and start turning ALL the
adjustments" willy-nilly, to put their tongues on
large capacitors or to run with pointy screwdrivers.


When I was in tech school, we used to leave charged-up large capacitors layi= ng around the lab... --part1_ac.4525db4b.2c5b4e5c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 03:19:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h717Hng31529; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 03:17:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 03:17:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:17:47 -0700 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <40A4DAD1-C3F0-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, they do have a swap out program and the new power supply is still more audible than my old G3, but it's a lot quieter than the "Wind Tunnel" Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 06:09 PM, Travis wrote: > One thing to take into account: the dual-proc G4's had a really, > really noisy fan. I believe Apple had a swap-out program, but I'm not > sure. I sit next to one at work, and it's louder than I'd want in my > recording area/control room. > > TravisH > > On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 05:56 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> I will reiterate I went with a G4 because I could not >> think of anything I would do that would so sorely tax >> a dual-processor G4, that I absolutely needed to get a >> G5 instead. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 03:20:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h717K6p31949; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 03:20:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 03:20:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:20:04 -0700 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030731234745.96027.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <92898056-C3F0-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the bright side for Mac, Genentech, probably the oldest and largest biotech company, just did a total switch over to all Macs running OSX. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 04:47 PM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Oh man... > > As much as I am enjoying my new G4, it seems to me > quite a few companies are handling the transition to > Mac OS X rather messily. > > Sorry to hear about that. Hopefully this will all > straighten out soon. > > Paolo > > --- msottilaro wrote: >>> I've been avoiding pre-OSX apps/plugins in my >> search for softsynths to >>> use with Numerology. >> >> Good idea. I invested $300 on the Audioease >> Nautilus bundle of MAS >> plug-ins because I was in love with the Granular >> Synthesis plug in. >> I've emailed Audioease and it looks like they'll be >> no OSX version for >> a long time, if ever. >> >> That's why I like hardware. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 04:42:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h718fOu12136; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:41:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:41:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c35808$ae823f60$2bb079a5@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: Subject: majik little red box. Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:41:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C357D6.62BC47B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940807b5c17ffb6907aa5c60dae12ea9a67350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C357D6.62BC47B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, i figured this crowd might know this one. Just got home from seeing the Black Frames and Skerik had this majik = little red box on a stand. The box looked to be about the size of your = standard Boss stompbox, more or less. He'd wave his hand somewhere near = the little red box and it would generate some sort of basic raw sine = wave or something. The closer he moved his hand to it, the higher the = pitch. I figured that it might be some sort of ribbon controller, but i = was unsure whether the controller might have some sort of wave generator = in it or not (or else triggering another box that i didn't see).... Anyone know what my vague description might be referring to? cheers, jim. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C357D6.62BC47B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, i figured this crowd might know = this=20 one.
 
Just got home from seeing the Black = Frames and=20 Skerik had this majik little red box on a stand.  The box = looked to be=20 about the size of your standard Boss stompbox, more or less.  He'd = wave his=20 hand somewhere near the little red box and it would generate some sort = of basic=20 raw sine wave or something.  The closer he moved his hand to it, = the higher=20 the pitch.  I figured that it might be some sort of ribbon = controller, but=20 i was unsure whether the controller might have some sort of wave = generator in it=20 or not (or else triggering another box that i didn't = see)....
 
Anyone know what my vague description = might be=20 referring to?
 
cheers,
jim.
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C357D6.62BC47B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 04:59:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h718wh914060; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:58:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:58:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030801085837.34345.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: majik little red box. To: James Lanpheer Cc: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <003a01c35808$ae823f60$2bb079a5@sipapu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-7xc4D.A.gbD.DviK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- James Lanpheer wrote: > Hey, i figured this crowd might know this one. > > Just got home from seeing the Black Frames and > Skerik had this majik little red box on a stand. > The box looked to be about the size of your standard > Boss stompbox, more or less. He'd wave his hand > somewhere near the little red box and it would > generate some sort of basic raw sine wave or > something. The closer he moved his hand to it, the > higher the pitch. I figured that it might be some > sort of ribbon controller, but i was unsure whether > the controller might have some sort of wave > generator in it or not (or else triggering another > box that i didn't see).... > > Anyone know what my vague description might be > referring to? Did it look like this? http://www.frostwave.com/spacebeam/index.html John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 05:06:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7194pw14808; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:04:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:04:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030801090445.93043.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: majik little red box. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030801085837.34345.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or maybe an Alesis AirSynth? -t- --- John Tidwell wrote: > Did it look like this? > http://www.frostwave.com/spacebeam/index.html > --- James Lanpheer wrote: >...this majik little red box on a stand. > > ...about the size of your standard > > Boss stompbox, more or less. He'd wave his hand > > somewhere near the little red box and it would > > generate some sort of basic raw sine wave or > > something. > > Anyone know what my vague description might be > > referring to? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 05:13:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h719CC615444; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:12:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:12:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c3580c$fbfa1bb0$2bb079a5@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: "John Tidwell" Cc: "Loopers Delight" References: <20030801085837.34345.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: majik little red box. Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 03:12:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9408192a57e92dac0f1d970e46134ecccb1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm pretty sure that John's got it. It was VERY theremin-like. I'm not sure how USEFUL it is (for most applications), but it did meld with their VERY noisy collage-like sound. Best 8 bucks i've spent on a show lately, lots of "mallet funk". thanx John! cheers, jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: "James Lanpheer" Cc: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:58 AM Subject: Re: majik little red box. > > --- James Lanpheer wrote: > > Hey, i figured this crowd might know this one. > > > > Just got home from seeing the Black Frames and > > Skerik had this majik little red box on a stand. > > The box looked to be about the size of your standard > > Boss stompbox, more or less. He'd wave his hand > > somewhere near the little red box and it would > > generate some sort of basic raw sine wave or > > something. The closer he moved his hand to it, the > > higher the pitch. I figured that it might be some > > sort of ribbon controller, but i was unsure whether > > the controller might have some sort of wave > > generator in it or not (or else triggering another > > box that i didn't see).... > > > > Anyone know what my vague description might be > > referring to? > > Did it look like this? > > http://www.frostwave.com/spacebeam/index.html > > John > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 06:00:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h719w5I19733; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: mac G5 -- what's the word? Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:58:00 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001501c35813$640507a0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00bd01c357cb$8af697e0$92e75cd1@billfox> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What leads you to the opinion that a G4 isn't an option? > > Cheers, > > Bill My needs for working with CPU intensive applications. And my fear of loud computer fan noise. I guess the correct phrasing should go "not an option for me" though ;-) And it's also nice to have a machine that won't get obsolete too quickly. Being stuck with obsolete Mac hardware have hit me twice before and besides being not fun at all it can turn out rather expensive in the long run. You might have to wait for spare parts while your production goes down. All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 07:07:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71B4Mn25320; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:04:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: livelooping.iuma.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:04:17 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8FB0B280-C3BA-11D7-9244-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Seen: false X-ID: Sgbx6eZJgejSed6AnPV2EREy8rQCiu4cmWu5wXu3dY33tGSVxrqLkL@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check out http://livelooping.iuma.com for livelooping music (for download and streaming) ... leave comments ... at the moment, the site contains most of the music from the Berlin Livelooping event a month ago ... extremely diverse and interesting stuff ... more will follow, hopefully ... -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 08:52:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71CocF03501; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:50:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:50:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:50:35 -0400 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308010056.h710udb10305@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello John, The G5 chip has a 64-bit architecture, as opposed to 32-bit for the G4. That's the real novelty about it, and it's backward compatible. However OS X is still 32-bit, the first rev. of OS X 10.3 is and will be 32-bit (it's now seeded to the developers), and so are all applications actually running on OS X. You'd have to wait for the developers, and Apple, to update their programs in order to take full advantage of the G5 chip, and I would not expect that to happen before 2004. Essentially this is now a very fast G4 with faster bus, bigger HD and memory capabilities and so on. I would go for a G4 now, they're much cheaper, and the 1.25GHz ones sold at the Apple store boot in OS 9 as well. Furthermore I would avoid buying the 1st rev. of any new computer model. The Apple G4s and G5s all come with a dual-display video card that has 1 proprietary ADC connector and 1 DVI connector. The machines comes with a DVI-to-VGA connector, so yes, you can plug any monitor that has a 15-pin VGA connector. You can also buy a ADC-to-VGA connector and have 2 VGA monitors on the same machine. Best, Laurent info@laurentbrondel.com http://laurentbrondel.com/ On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 08:56 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: John Mazzarella > Date: Thu Jul 31, 2003 5:04:44 PM US/Eastern > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? > > > jimfowler wrote: > >> just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a mac...so >> i'm >> wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems to me that the G4 is >> still >> going for more than the G5. >> >> -jim > > I have an ancient Pentium II PC that I've been using with Pro Tools Le > Digi > 001. Because I've been living in a very small apartment the past 2 > years I > haven't done much recording, choosing to focus on live looping. I'm > new > moving into a condo, where I'll have a dedicated music room/studio > (sweet!). > Anyway, I plan to upgrade my computer, and I'd like to get a Mac. I'm > looking > into a Mac G4, which starts at about $1299. I think the G5's are > going for > about $1999. I'll update to Pro Tools 6.1 which now supports rewire, > so I can > get Reason, which I'm looking forward to using. Here are a few > questions: > > 1. Is it wise to get a G4 considering the G5's are coming out? It > seems like > the G4 has been the industry standard computer for the past few years. > 2. In visiting a Mac store, a salesman told me that the G4 tower is > compatible with any monitor, including my Dell PC monitor. Is this > true? > That would save a lot of additional money, until I can afford a Mac > monitor(which are quite expensive) > > Thanks, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 09:03:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71D2gE05168; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:02:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:02:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:02:41 -0400 Subject: [OT] Noise interference problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200308010056.h710udb10305@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <6F136E3E-C420-11D7-917E-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h71D2gW05141 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I just moved for a cabin in the woods and installed my studio there. Everything works fine, except that when I plug an electric guitar (or bass) I get regular clicks, spaced approximately at 55bpm. I get those clicks regardless or where I plug the guitar (guitar pre-amp -Roland GP-100-, mixing board -Rane SM82-, direct into the EDPs, or directly into my audio card -a Metric Halo ULN-2). The rest of my equipment works as it did in NYC, the sound is clean, I can record with mikes (phantom powered or not) and I do not get those clicks (I can still record acoustic guitars…). I removed the fuses for everything except the outlet I'm plugged in to no avail, I tried other AC outlets in the house with the same results, disconnected every electric gear included fridge, water heater and so on to no avail. All my gear goes through a power conditioner (I also tried without the power conditioner), every connection is balanced when it needs to be and so forth. I'm at loss here. Any help and/or tips would be greatly appreciated. Maybe I missed something basic. Thanks in advance, Laurent info@laurentbrondel.com http://laurentbrondel.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 11:04:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71F39w20403; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:03:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:03:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040901c358d4$74d9fce0$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <6F136E3E-C420-11D7-917E-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:59:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what amp are you using? can you get sound out of it as well as the click? the only time i've ever encountered something like this is when power section of my acoustic image amp went out. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 11:05:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71F2vn20335; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:02:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:02:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c3583d$8fef9b80$10e45cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #332 for July 31, 2003 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:59:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3581B.FC3B1E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3581B.FC3B1E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #332 July 31, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on sonic explorer Robert = Rich, who has helped to define modern electronic music styles while defying = categori- zation. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Humidity" on the Hypnos label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy Carlos = on CBS Records. I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. Robert Rich - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jul Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Wendy Carlos Europa Digital Moonscapes = (CBS) Under the Dome The Long Rain Bellerphon (Neu = Harmony) Under the Dome Sun Dome Bellerphon (Neu = Harmony) John Lakveet Evanesco Epikus (Groove) VA [Free System Projekt] Siren Hampshire Jam Preserved = (none) VA [Xeroid Entity] Iapetus Different Skies 2003 = (Atomic City) VA [Ma Ja Le] Dark Around Us Different Skies 2003 = (Atomic City) Robert Rich Lost Caverns of Caryatis Humidity (Hypnos) 12:00 am Robert Rich Bioelectric Plasma Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Demilitarized Zone Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Synergistic Perceptions Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Ceramic Tincture Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Submission to Pele Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Humidity Towards the Humidity (Hypnos) Troposphere 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Robert Rich. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Humidity" by Robert Rich on the Hypnos = label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy = Carlos on CBS Masterworks records. I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3581B.FC3B1E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC</a> is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = that airs=20 each Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, = PA and=20 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #332       =20             July 31, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on sonic = explorer=20 Robert Rich,
who has helped to define modern electronic music styles = while=20 defying categori-
zation.  The Featured CD at Midnight was = "Humidity" on=20 the Hypnos label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy = Carlos on=20 CBS
Records.
 
I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at=20 the Gatherings
Concert Series on September 13.
 
Robert Rich - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jul
=
Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Wendy=20 Carlos            = Europa           &= nbsp;      =20 Digital Moonscapes (CBS)
Under the=20 Dome          The Long=20 Rain           =20 Bellerphon (Neu Harmony)
Under the=20 Dome          Sun=20 Dome           &nb= sp;    =20 Bellerphon (Neu Harmony)
John=20 Lakveet           = =20 Evanesco           = ;     =20 Epikus (Groove)
VA [Free System Projekt] =20 Siren           &n= bsp;     =20 Hampshire Jam Preserved (none)
VA [Xeroid=20 Entity]     =20 Iapetus           =       =20 Different Skies 2003=20 (Atomic
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 City)
VA [Ma Ja=20 Le]           Dark = Around=20 Us           Different = Skies=20 2003=20 (Atomic
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 City)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Lost Caverns of Caryatis Humidity (Hypnos)
 
12:00 am
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Bioelectric Plasma       Humidity=20 (Hypnos)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Demilitarized Zone       Humidity=20 (Hypnos)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Synergistic Perceptions  Humidity (Hypnos)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Ceramic Tincture         = Humidity=20 (Hypnos)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Submission to Pele       Humidity=20 (Hypnos)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Humidity Towards the     Humidity=20 (Hypnos)
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Troposphere
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long = focus on=20 Robert Rich.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Humidity" by = Robert=20 Rich on the Hypnos label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy = Carlos=20 on
CBS Masterworks records.
 
I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at=20 the Gatherings
Concert Series on September 13.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3581B.FC3B1E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 11:26:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71FNZR23292; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:23:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c35840$73535c20$10e45cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: Fw: EMUSIC Playlist #332 for July 31, 2003 - Corrections Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:20:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3581E.DE93D7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3581E.DE93D7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Corrections need to be made: Show #332 July 31, 2003 NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on David Hughes' = musical projects. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Fabulous Neutrinos" = by T-Bass UK on the Neu Harmony label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Green Desert" by Tangerine Dream = on Relativity Records. Sorry for the extra bandwidth. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3581E.DE93D7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Corrections need to be = made:
 
          &nbs= p;        =20 Show=20 #332           &nb= sp;       =20 July 31, 2003

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a = month-long=20 focus on David Hughes' musical
projects.  The Featured CD at = Midnight=20 will be "The Fabulous Neutrinos" by
T-Bass UK on the Neu Harmony=20 label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from = the LP=20 "Green Desert" by Tangerine Dream on
Relativity Records.
 
Sorry for the extra = bandwidth.

Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and=20 click  LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3581E.DE93D7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 12:02:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71G0Lv28850; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: livelooping.iuma.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:00:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c35846$01a4fa10$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it still Live Looping once it's recorded :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: livelooping.iuma.com check out http://livelooping.iuma.com for livelooping music (for download and streaming) ... leave comments ... at the moment, the site contains most of the music from the Berlin Livelooping event a month ago ... extremely diverse and interesting stuff ... more will follow, hopefully ... -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 12:05:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71G2IO29312; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:02:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:02:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030801034629.70530.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater CFC Works! Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:02:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C3580B.972F7460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2003 16:02:10.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[43DDF300:01C35846] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C3580B.972F7460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have one of those. It won't work in stereo. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the = vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record = collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: erika li=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: Repeater CFC Works! To those needing additional compact flash cards, CFC, for the electrix = repeater, I have found one that works and correctly formats. SanDisk 256MB (CompactFlash version). I purchased it at Costco for = $64, a great price for 256MB. good looping! erika -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C3580B.972F7460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I have one of those. It won't work in=20 stereo.
 
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To those needing additional compact flash cards, CFC, for the = electrix=20 repeater, I have found one that works and correctly formats.
 
SanDisk 256MB (CompactFlash version).  I purchased it at = Costco for=20 $64, a great price for 256MB.
 
good looping!
erika

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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design=20 software ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C3580B.972F7460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 12:19:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71GHXg31818; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: livelooping.iuma.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:17:27 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001501c35848$66ce1fa0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000c01c35846$01a4fa10$01b52b04@purgatory> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h71GHWW31795 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:squidloop@thetentacle.org] > > Is it still Live Looping once it's recorded :) He, he... That's very interesting. Maybe you should call it "canned live looping" ;-D Anyway, that's the classic problem with all improvised music - it's only hot the moment it's getting born. If it's a recording "the real thing" has already happened and if you are a puritan you should now call it "a recording of a musical improvisation" and not "improvised music". But anyway, who cares? Everyone has his own way to look at this. I went to a concert the other day and one "Freely Improvising Band" actually announced their pieces as "compositions". Guess they were not puritans ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 12:24:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71GNMZ00813; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:23:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:23:24 -0700 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40A4DAD1-C3F0-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apple reduced the fan noise problem on the G4s earlier this year. Still not as quiet as my 500MHz G4 Cube, but usable in an office environment. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 12:32:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71GU0l02086; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:30:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:30:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1059755396!479857 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB384@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:27:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35849.C4570500" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35849.C4570500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I just moved for a cabin in the woods and installed my studio there. Everything works fine, except that when I plug an electric guitar (or bass) I get regular clicks, spaced approximately at 55bpm....<< laurent, are you anywhere near anything agricultural/cattle-related? there may be a beast-deterring current running through a fence near your cabin. try wrapping the shed in foil and running it to a ground-spike..... (no, really). duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I just moved for a cabin in the woods and install= ed my studio there.
Everything works fine, except that when I plug an electr= ic guitar (or
bass) I get regular clicks, spaced approximately at 55bp= m....<<

laurent, are you anywhere near anything agricultural/catt= le-related? there may be a beast-deterring current running through a fence = near your cabin. try wrapping the shed in foil and running it to a ground-s= pike..... (no, really).

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35849.C4570500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 12:51:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71GgmO03922; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:42:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c3584b$ecabcf20$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3582A.659CA020" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB384@LON-MAIL07> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9G7ufC.A.J9.IipK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3582A.659CA020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea, a faraday cage. Great for getting rid of unwanted RF and such. One ground point only please! Wendy Carlos had this done to her apartment. I've done this in studio installs that were close to interference. It really works. Sometimes you only need to cover a jack/patch panel for it to be effective. Research it here: http://www.rfsafe.com/research/rf_radiation/shielding_rf_hazards/faraday _cage_demo.htm Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem >>I just moved for a cabin in the woods and installed my studio there. Everything works fine, except that when I plug an electric guitar (or bass) I get regular clicks, spaced approximately at 55bpm....<< laurent, are you anywhere near anything agricultural/cattle-related? there may be a beast-deterring current running through a fence near your cabin. try wrapping the shed in foil and running it to a ground-spike..... (no, really). duncan. ************************************************************************ *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe ************************************************************************ *** ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3582A.659CA020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [OT] Noise interference problem

Yea, a faraday = cage. Great for getting rid of unwanted RF = and such. One ground point only please!

 

Wendy Carlos had this done to her = apartment. I’ve done this in studio installs that were close to interference. = It really works. Sometimes you only need to cover a jack/patch panel for it = to be effective.

 

Research it = here:

 

http://www.rfsafe.com/research/rf_ra= diation/shielding_rf_hazards/faraday_cage_demo.htm

 

Respect=

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>>I just moved for a cabin in the woods = and installed my studio there.
Everything works fine, = except that when I plug an electric guitar (or
bass) I get regular = clicks, spaced approximately at 55bpm....<<

laurent, are you anywhere near anything agricultural/cattle-related? there may be a beast-deterring current = running through a fence near your cabin. try wrapping the shed in foil and = running it to a ground-spike..... (no, really).

duncan.



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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3582A.659CA020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 14:07:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71I51a25503; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:04:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308011602.h71G2xC29478@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <41262FE7-C442-11D7-917E-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "jimfowler" > Date: Sat Aug 2, 2003 4:59:57 AM US/Eastern > To: > Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem > > > what amp are you using? can you get sound out of it as well as the > click? > the only time i've ever encountered something like this is when power > section of my acoustic image amp went out. > > -jim Hello Jim, I am using a NAD 3020 hi-fi amp and a pair of Event 20/20 as studio monitoring. I use the Roland GP-100 amp simulations, or none, going out of the Rane SM82 which is the final output of my guitar rig (2xEDPs, Roland GI-20 & SE-50). Signal is very clear on this system, the click appears only when I plug a guitar (volume turned up) on any component: GP-100, mixer or my audio card -a Metric Halo ULN-2- going directly to the stereo. This didn't happen when I was living in NYC, or anywhere I performed. It seems the guitar is acting as an antenna and amplifying some interference, but I can't locate it. Someone suggested using DI boxes. Any thought? Cheers, Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 15:17:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71JEwq02798; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Last Minute Gig Spam (was RE: anything in San Diego?) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:14:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <002101c34aa5$6dff6820$2ccfc22b@AOstler> Resent-Message-ID: <-Vusp.A.lr.ywrK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anything in San Diego? specifically from July 27 to August 1, which is when I'll be there. cheers, os. I'm playing tonight with Tim Cook AKA Steelbone at the Bahia Hotel by the lobby from 6 to 9 pm. I will loop some percussion when I can get the other two guys in the trio to pay attention--and will be performing all three hours on Rocky, the doubleneck Starr Labs guitar/synth thingee. I'll buy you a beer if you show up! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 15:35:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71JY7n05471; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:34:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:34:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030801120417.03c4bcc0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:19:36 -0500 To: From: Catilyne Subject: RE: mac G5 -- what's the word? In-Reply-To: <001501c35813$640507a0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> References: <00bd01c357cb$8af697e0$92e75cd1@billfox> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:58 AM 8/1/2003 +0200, Per Boysen wrote: >And it's also nice to have a machine that won't get obsolete too >quickly. Being stuck with obsolete Mac hardware have hit me twice before >and besides being not fun at all it can turn out rather expensive in the >long run. Well, it probably depends upon your definition of 'obsolete'. I got one of the new 'top-of-the-line' 667mhz TiBooks a year ago. Within a couple of months of buying it, the 800mhz model came along and knocked it off that pedestal. Then, a couple of months after that came the 1ghz models. So, my Powerbook went from being the best Apple had to offer to a completely discontinued model before the original manufacturer warranty had expired. That doesn't mean I don't have a kickass laptop, or that I'm dissatisfied with my TiBook. It suits my needs nicely, and probably will for a while yet, knock on wood. Or at least it should until NewerTech can put together a G5 upgrade. ;) Lesson here, though, seems to be that if you want to do cutting edge on Macs, then prepare to bleed money, since they're devaluing the new models as quickly as they get released. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 15:35:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71JXd805397; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:33:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:33:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:33:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c35863$cb5e0910$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <41262FE7-C442-11D7-917E-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any active circuitry in the guitar? Shielding paint, foil with double sided tape are just a couple of ideas. http://www.stewmac.com/ a great source for all you DIY types. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Laurent Brondel [mailto:laurent@megalink.net] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem > From: "jimfowler" > Date: Sat Aug 2, 2003 4:59:57 AM US/Eastern > To: > Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem > > > what amp are you using? can you get sound out of it as well as the > click? > the only time i've ever encountered something like this is when power > section of my acoustic image amp went out. > > -jim Hello Jim, I am using a NAD 3020 hi-fi amp and a pair of Event 20/20 as studio monitoring. I use the Roland GP-100 amp simulations, or none, going out of the Rane SM82 which is the final output of my guitar rig (2xEDPs, Roland GI-20 & SE-50). Signal is very clear on this system, the click appears only when I plug a guitar (volume turned up) on any component: GP-100, mixer or my audio card -a Metric Halo ULN-2- going directly to the stereo. This didn't happen when I was living in NYC, or anywhere I performed. It seems the guitar is acting as an antenna and amplifying some interference, but I can't locate it. Someone suggested using DI boxes. Any thought? Cheers, Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 15:44:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71JhY207071; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:43:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: Subject: looping up the wall... Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:43:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2003 19:43:23.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B57A050:01C35865] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm at my wits end, and have just wasted another evening hitting up against the same sync problems of my echoplex, over and over again. My echoplex 'jumps' synch after all but a few simple commands. That is to say, it starts thinking that the start of the bar is somewhere other than where it originally though it is. The cure is a hard reboot - otherwise, when it stops to 'recapture' synch, it misses the starting point in the same spot that it lost it to. At first I though it was only when I was doing 'next loops', since that was what I was trying to master at the time. However, the unit exhibits this problem when sticking within one loop, performing some simple over dubbing. I've tried 3 different clock sources - my computer, the repeater and my xl-7 hardware sequencer. Has anyone else experienced this? Is anyone else slaving to midi synch exclusively? Could I be dealing with broken hardware, all along? I've spent several years trying to master this box, but it just won't behave the way it's supposed to. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 15:54:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71JsCQ08633; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:54:05 -0700 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: abde7308 aee23e9e 67ae1140 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030801120417.03c4bcc0@spamarrest.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Catilyne wrote: > That doesn't mean I don't have a kickass laptop, or that I'm > dissatisfied with my TiBook. It suits my needs nicely, and probably > will for a while yet, knock on wood. Or at least it should until > NewerTech can put together a G5 upgrade. ;) I agree, I kept a 7500 going a long, long time this way. However, don't be too sad if NewerTech doesn't do a G5 upgrade that rocks your world. One of the biggest things about the G5 is a much faster system buss speed, which a processor won't get you. By the time you put in a new mother board and processor, you might as well get a machine. Also, one the the nicer things about the G4s is that now they come equipped with a really useful vanity mirror on the front. Useful in detecting stray bits of pesto or spinich caught in your teeth after lunch. Let's see you do that on a Dell! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 16:11:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71K9v711474; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:09:51 -0700 Subject: Looper FS (Lexicon MPX G2) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 7e48f44b aee23e9e 67ae1140 00000004 From: msottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001501c35813$640507a0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: <1BF440E4-C45C-11D7-9B28-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-nZUHC.A.HzC.VksK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have at it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38070%0D%0A&item=%0D%0A2549152025 Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 16:13:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71KBXj11702; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:11:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:11:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Tube Pre Amp FS (Rocktron Piranah) X-Sybari-Trust: 15fade48 aee23e9e 67ae1140 00000004 From: msottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <553D0F3E-C45C-11D7-9B28-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tired of all that latency in digital modelers? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38070%0D%0A&item=%0D%0A2549155147 Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 16:28:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71KQLA13873; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: mac G5 -- what's the word? Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:26:16 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000101c3586b$290d7a80$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030801120417.03c4bcc0@spamarrest.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] > Well, it probably depends upon your definition of 'obsolete'. Yes. I used my old powerbook (the 1400 model) for four years, hotted it up with an extra graphic card and a G3 400 mHz upgrade from Sonnet. Although it was "obsolete" for the most time it served me perfectly well until it finally broke down last year. Once I had to wait for a month to get a spare transformer and another time a battery needed three months to arrive after I had ordered it. That's the backside ;-) Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 16:30:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71KPX113726; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:25:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030801202527.35200.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:25:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c35863$cb5e0910$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Laurent wrote: >the click appears only when I plug > a guitar (volume turned up) on any component. Have you tried it with more than one guitar? If it does it with that one but not others, I'd look at shielding. If it does it with ANY guitar, the problem is more likely either downstream or maybe a dirty power issue. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 16:34:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71KXED14913; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:33:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030801203307.24356.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: rds7.6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009d01c357e3$f49e17a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Will Brake wrote: > Maybe I'm the crankiest. I doubt it! Mild sarcasm won't win you that award; some contenders are downright rude. > Bad couple of weeks, death in the family, > working 18 hours a day. I'm sorry to hear that... > Happy Birthday! Thanks! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 17:09:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71L4IB19413; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:04:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: CD Review-HsAcNoStEtN-unPLAYable Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:04:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c35870$74f9b850$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAEEC@tiger.middlebury.edu> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Received Scott Hansen's unplayable today. 14 tracks of 'great weird stuff' tracks 1-10 are mostly free form with little or no rhythmic pulse. Here is my blow by blow; 1 Watery background with tortured whales-intermittent distortion in left speaker. 2 A flowing fingerstyle with little munchkins in the background-intermittent distortion in right speaker. 3 Excellent! Great use of digital and electronic noise. I feel right at home with this one! No unpleasant distortion in either speaker. 4 Whammy (wham me!) pedal - there's that distortion again, darn. 5 21st century video game. Did you win? 6 plagued with that distortion yet again. 7 pots and pans, bottles and cans, clap your hands. Great stuff. That distortion is present here too. 8 Bottom of the ocean pulse with zero gravity improv. 9 Great use of effects. Very vocal, like talking cats. 10 Billy the Mountain? Bonus tracks 11-14 I'm going to lump all these together. I liked these most of all. More rhythmic ideas and, umm, they seemed to flow, pulling my ear into the piece more. The guitar was probably more 'playable' as well. Ask Scott what I mean. LOL All told, very interesting art/noise. I believe the whole thing would benefit from some compression and mastering. The first 10 tracks were peppered with intermittent distortion, a distraction from the listening experience. I would recommend an open-minded listen to anyone on list, Scott has some great ideas and there is something interesting going on here. Thanks Scott! NEXT- Send CD's for review to: Will Brake 2900 Rochester Road Royal Oak, MI 48073 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 17:31:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71LUI223635; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:30:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: looping up the wall... Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Biz wrote: >My echoplex 'jumps' synch after all but a few simple commands. That is to >say, it starts thinking that the start of the bar is somewhere other than >where it originally though it is. > >Has anyone else experienced this? Is anyone else slaving to midi synch >exclusively? I am only using Brother sync at this time, but has synced to/from MIDI clock before and never experienced this problem. Have you tried setting the start point again, on the fly, to set the EDP to see a new start point? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 18:39:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71MbOc01338; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:37:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:37:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: looping up the wall... Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:37:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2003 22:37:17.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[76756FF0:01C3587D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I am only using Brother sync at this time, but has synced to/from MIDI clock > before and never experienced this problem. Have you tried setting the start > point again, on the fly, to set the EDP to see a new start point? > Gary > > Yes. Nothing doing. I'm beginning to feel that I'm the only person in the world using midi synch. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: RE: looping up the wall... > Biz wrote: > > >My echoplex 'jumps' synch after all but a few simple commands. That is to > >say, it starts thinking that the start of the bar is somewhere other than > >where it originally though it is. > > > > >Has anyone else experienced this? Is anyone else slaving to midi synch > >exclusively? > > I am only using Brother sync at this time, but has synced to/from MIDI clock > before and never experienced this problem. Have you tried setting the start > point again, on the fly, to set the EDP to see a new start point? > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 18:54:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71MrYI03805; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:53:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:53:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04a401c35916$23f99e60$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <41262FE7-C442-11D7-917E-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:49:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, well...that rules out having blown up a ss/digital amp. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 18:57:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71Mv7704302; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:57:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:57:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: looping up the wall... Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:57:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2003 22:57:01.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[37DA08C0:01C35880] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm beginning to feel that I'm the only person in the world using midi > synch. I only use sync out - BUT I remember some mumbo-jumbo a while back about how the EDP doesn't actively sync while overdubbing past the loop point or certain other special cases (certain feedback settings) - because the way it syncs to incoming clock is by adding or omitting +/- 50msec of audio at the loop point rather than time stretching the audio which it can't really do anyway. I think the idea is so that your overdub isn't polluted at the loop point due to a sync action. Anyway, if you stay in one of these non-sync states for a long time (and your midi clock isn't stable enough) it may loose sync. Maybe Kim or Matthias could clear up this issue. I searched the archives a little, but can't find what I'm looking for. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 19:12:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71N8P205588; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:08:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:08:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: looping up the wall... Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:08:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2003 23:08:19.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC3E0D30:01C35881] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I only use sync out - BUT I remember some mumbo-jumbo a while back about how > the EDP doesn't actively sync while overdubbing past the loop point or > certain other special cases (certain feedback settings) - because the way it > syncs to incoming clock is by adding or omitting +/- 50msec of audio at the > loop point rather than time stretching the audio which it can't really do > anyway. I think the idea is so that your overdub isn't polluted at the loop > point due to a sync action. That makes sense. However, it means that midi synch is totally useless, and I've managed to waste a great deal of time over the last couple of years trying to get the box to work and blaming myself, my cables and everything else. I'm in a really, really bad mood. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wagner" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: Re: looping up the wall... > > I'm beginning to feel that I'm the only person in the world using midi > > synch. > > I only use sync out - BUT I remember some mumbo-jumbo a while back about how > the EDP doesn't actively sync while overdubbing past the loop point or > certain other special cases (certain feedback settings) - because the way it > syncs to incoming clock is by adding or omitting +/- 50msec of audio at the > loop point rather than time stretching the audio which it can't really do > anyway. I think the idea is so that your overdub isn't polluted at the loop > point due to a sync action. Anyway, if you stay in one of these non-sync > states for a long time (and your midi clock isn't stable enough) it may > loose sync. Maybe Kim or Matthias could clear up this issue. I searched > the archives a little, but can't find what I'm looking for. > Jon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 19:14:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71NDnc06273; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030801231347.82502.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:13:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Laurent Brondel wrote: > Hello John, > The G5 chip has a 64-bit architecture, as opposed to > 32-bit for the G4. > That's the real novelty about it, and it's backward > compatible. However > OS X is still 32-bit, the first rev. of OS X 10.3 is > and will be 32-bit > (it's now seeded to the developers), and so are all > applications > actually running on OS X. You'd have to wait for the > developers, and > Apple, to update their programs in order to take > full advantage of the > G5 chip, and I would not expect that to happen > before 2004. Bingo. This is yet another reason I went with the G4, though I must reiterate that in the deal I got for my G4, I actually got MORE RAM and MORE hard disk space in ADDITION to the reduced price, plus an additional discount for the machine having been previously purchased, then returned within days of the purchase. I'm sure there are other deals out there like this that are made possible by somebody dumping a G4 because he/she just found out about the G5 coming out. Consider them in your decision to get a G4 or a G5. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 19:23:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71NN8T07400; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:23:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:23:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030801232307.18545.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: mac G5 -- what's the word? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001501c35813$640507a0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Per Boysen wrote: > > What leads you to the opinion that a G4 isn't an > option? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill > > My needs for working with CPU intensive > applications. I'm looking forward to reading about these apps you intend to use. Seriously. On my G4, I'll be running: Cycling 74 Max/MSP Five12 Numerology Emagic Logic Audio 5 Emagic EXSP24 Sample Player I may also add an AU synth plugin - Crystal or Zoyd. The Emagic stuff is supposed to be optimized for dual-processor G4s (obviously not yet for G5s), so we'll see about that.... > And it's also nice to have a machine that won't get > obsolete too > quickly. See Laurent's post. ;) Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 19:42:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71NeFW09200; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:40:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:40:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801162216.014f53d8@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:39:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: looping up the wall... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Getting angry won't help. I've been slaving my EDP to MIDI sync exclusively for the past few years, with no trouble. Jon makes a good point - are you leaving overdub open for long periods of time? I don't quite remember the details regarding endless overdubs (I generally only overdub short passages), but I do remember hearing that in Loop mode you need to take it out of overdub periodically. Maybe in Delay mode you don't (?) - I can't quite remember. You just need to punch out and then back into overdub during a silent part, every so often. Breathe deeply, -Hans At 16:08 01/08/2003, you wrote: > > I only use sync out - BUT I remember some mumbo-jumbo a while back about >how > > the EDP doesn't actively sync while overdubbing past the loop point or > > certain other special cases (certain feedback settings) - because the way >it > > syncs to incoming clock is by adding or omitting +/- 50msec of audio at >the > > loop point rather than time stretching the audio which it can't really do > > anyway. I think the idea is so that your overdub isn't polluted at the >loop > > point due to a sync action. > >That makes sense. > >However, it means that midi synch is totally useless, and I've managed to >waste a great deal of time over the last couple of years trying to get the >box to work and blaming myself, my cables and everything else. > >I'm in a really, really bad mood. > >bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 19:44:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71NhRx09895; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: Subject: For sale: Stupid, P.O.S. Echoplex Digital Pro, with foot pedal. NO MIDI SYNCH Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:43:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2003 23:43:20.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[B09B3710:01C35886] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's in perfect working condition. Not recomended for anyone using midi synch. Taking offers, thanks. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 19:50:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71NnTX10761; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:49:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:49:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: mac G5 -- what's the word? Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:49:22 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000401c35887$8887b450$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030801232307.18545.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] > I'm looking forward to reading about these apps you > intend to use. Seriously. Not many. Mainly Logic 6.1 +. Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 20:10:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7209fw13558; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801162216.014f53d8@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: looping up the wall... Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:09:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 00:09:35.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B04ACB0:01C3588A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Getting angry won't help. > I'm not angry as much as depressed. Is >not< getting angry going to help? :> > I've been slaving my EDP to MIDI sync exclusively for the past few years, > with no trouble. Jon makes a good point - are you leaving overdub open for > long periods of time? > I'm trying to use it for feedback based looping, as opposed to recording something and then having go on, endlessly, which is kind of pointless, if you are trying to make music with loops. Though it's all I had tried to this point. I just recovered a message from Kim that explained the lack of synch completely, a long time ago. It didn't register, because I'm a stupid git. > I don't quite remember the details regarding endless overdubs (I generally > only overdub short passages), but I do remember hearing that in Loop mode > you need to take it out of overdub periodically. Maybe in Delay mode you > don't (?) - I can't quite remember It has a whole load of jaw-dropping, amazing features that are completely useless, since you can't use them for any kind of performance that will synchronize to anything else. It's a noodling tool. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Re: looping up the wall... > Getting angry won't help. > > I've been slaving my EDP to MIDI sync exclusively for the past few years, > with no trouble. Jon makes a good point - are you leaving overdub open for > long periods of time? > > I don't quite remember the details regarding endless overdubs (I generally > only overdub short passages), but I do remember hearing that in Loop mode > you need to take it out of overdub periodically. Maybe in Delay mode you > don't (?) - I can't quite remember. > > You just need to punch out and then back into overdub during a silent part, > every so often. > > Breathe deeply, > > -Hans > > > At 16:08 01/08/2003, you wrote: > > > > I only use sync out - BUT I remember some mumbo-jumbo a while back about > >how > > > the EDP doesn't actively sync while overdubbing past the loop point or > > > certain other special cases (certain feedback settings) - because the way > >it > > > syncs to incoming clock is by adding or omitting +/- 50msec of audio at > >the > > > loop point rather than time stretching the audio which it can't really do > > > anyway. I think the idea is so that your overdub isn't polluted at the > >loop > > > point due to a sync action. > > > >That makes sense. > > > >However, it means that midi synch is totally useless, and I've managed to > >waste a great deal of time over the last couple of years trying to get the > >box to work and blaming myself, my cables and everything else. > > > >I'm in a really, really bad mood. > > > >bIz > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 20:23:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h720LUA15202; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:21:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:21:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030801231347.82502.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030801231347.82502.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:21:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is often much to be said for getting last year's model. no early adopter pricing, more devils known than unknown, advantage to be taken of other people upgrading, etc.... oh, and the G5 won't rack mount horizontally, for what that's worth. (I'm getting one anyway, having said all that) -Alex At 4:13 PM -0700 8/1/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >--- Laurent Brondel wrote: >> Hello John, >> The G5 chip has a 64-bit architecture, as opposed to >> 32-bit for the G4. >> That's the real novelty about it, and it's backward >> compatible. However >> OS X is still 32-bit, the first rev. of OS X 10.3 is >> and will be 32-bit >> (it's now seeded to the developers), and so are all >> applications >> actually running on OS X. You'd have to wait for the >> developers, and >> Apple, to update their programs in order to take >> full advantage of the >> G5 chip, and I would not expect that to happen >> before 2004. > >Bingo. > >This is yet another reason I went with the G4, though >I must reiterate that in the deal I got for my G4, I >actually got MORE RAM and MORE hard disk space in >ADDITION to the reduced price, plus an additional >discount for the machine having been previously >purchased, then returned within days of the purchase. > >I'm sure there are other deals out there like this >that are made possible by somebody dumping a G4 >because he/she just found out about the G5 coming out. > Consider them in your decision to get a G4 or a G5. > >Paolo > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 21:14:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h721DVi22206; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:13:37 -0700 Subject: Re: For sale: Stupid, P.O.S. Echoplex Digital Pro, with foot pedal. NO MIDI SYNCH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8B3AC9F8-C486-11D7-8276-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could give it to me as punishment. I'm quite bad. Mark On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 04:43 PM, sserendipity wrote: > > It's in perfect working condition. Not recomended for anyone using midi > synch. > > Taking offers, thanks. > > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our > playlist, > I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play > music, so we're just playing automated music right now." > ------------ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 21:16:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h721F1d22459; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:15:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:15:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c35893$7c48f9e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: For sale: Stupid, P.O.S. Echoplex Digital Pro, with foot pedal. NO MIDI SYNCH Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:14:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since it won't MIDI synch, I'll give you $200 for it. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "sserendipity" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: For sale: Stupid, P.O.S. Echoplex Digital Pro, with foot pedal. NO MIDI SYNCH > > It's in perfect working condition. Not recomended for anyone using midi > synch. > > Taking offers, thanks. > > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, > I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play > music, so we're just playing automated music right now." > ------------ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 21:54:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h721s0i27339; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <6ADFB8BC-C487-11D7-A5AF-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: For sale: Stupid, P.O.S. Echoplex Digital Pro, with foot pedal. NO MIDI SYNCH Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:53:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 01:53:52.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECEAA5E0:01C35898] Resent-Message-ID: <7JKPCD.A.ArG.4mxK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i made that offer before i read your thread. i thought your unit was > broken. maybe it is. i don't know. > No - it's not broken at all. It's just a heart breaker :> > i always used the metronome output of my XP-80 to sync the EDP, through > the beat sync jack. have you tried that? i myself could never get MIDI > syn to work with the EDP anyway. it never seemed to get the length > right. > It's a nice thought, though I don't have any audio outputs to spare... bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: "sserendipity" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:19 PM Subject: Re: For sale: Stupid, P.O.S. Echoplex Digital Pro, with foot pedal. NO MIDI SYNCH > i would offer $400. > > i made that offer before i read your thread. i thought your unit was > broken. maybe it is. i don't know. > > however, i'd like to point a different way of doing sync. > > i always used the metronome output of my XP-80 to sync the EDP, through > the beat sync jack. have you tried that? i myself could never get MIDI > syn to work with the EDP anyway. it never seemed to get the length > right. > > if you'd like to chat about it, my phone number is 309.472.2885 > > thanks, > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 22:23:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h722MTW31640; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030801202942.009ef240@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:29:42 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: FS Repeater Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, well at long last, I've decided to sell my Repeater. if anyone's interested, please send me a lil' note and we can chat. Have a great weekend!... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 22:24:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h722Nhq31976; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:23:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: FS Repeater Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:23:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c3589d$14083da0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030801202942.009ef240@pop.earthlink.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quanto? That's how much in Mexican :) -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 7:30 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS Repeater Hi All, well at long last, I've decided to sell my Repeater. if anyone's interested, please send me a lil' note and we can chat. Have a great weekend!... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 22:35:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h722Z7G01021; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:35:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:35:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801162216.014f53d8@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801162216.014f53d8@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:35:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Foot Controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, so I'm in the process of finally getting my guitar rig together the way I want it. Hallelujah. For those who have been following along at home the last few days, I sprung for a Switchblade GL today. Many, many thanks for those who replied to all my queries regarding gear up to this point. One more piece of gear to go, however. Foot Controllers. I'm a *total*, complete M-IDIOT and a newbie as far as foot controllers go. Truth is, I don't even know the difference between a regular foot controller (such as the MPX-R1 that runs the Lexicon MPX-G2 unit and, apparently, the G-Force as well) that is MIDI capable and a MIDI foot controller such as the FCB-1010. My questions, then: Can anyone point my to a place where I can do my own reading (unless someone wants to waste a lot of cyber ink explaining it all to me) about how all this stuff, including MIDI, works, what it can do for me, and why/how I'd want to use it? Can one foot controller control all the gear I have (or soon will have)? If so, which FC(s) ought I be considering? Again, lots of thanks in advance. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 1 23:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h723Gkh05314; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Foot Controllers Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:17:51 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c358a4$a8b7bb40$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My questions, then: Can anyone point my to a place where I can do my > own reading (unless someone wants to waste a lot of cyber ink > explaining it all to me) about how all this stuff, including MIDI, > works, what it can do for me, and why/how I'd want to use it? Can one > foot controller control all the gear I have (or soon will have)? If > so, which FC(s) ought I be considering? Try this: http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/ particularly the MIDI Documentation section. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 01:57:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h725v0r17134; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:57:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:57:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <058c01c35951$5c4c8e90$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801162216.014f53d8@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: looping up the wall... Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:53:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "It has a whole load of jaw-dropping, amazing features that are completely useless, since you can't use them for any kind of performance that will synchronize to anything else. It's a noodling tool." maybe i missed something, but i've never had a single problem connecting my three echopli to any number of devices and having midi sync work flawlessly...particularly slaving my synth rack edp to my drum machine...nails it every time dead-on. sorry if i sound like i'm gloating...i just can't understand what the problem is. i mean, the fact of the matter is that the edp, when working (and being used/connected) properly, syncs perfectly via midi. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 02:04:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7263l617815; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:03:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:03:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <059001c35952$5b475e20$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801162216.014f53d8@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Foot Controllers Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:01:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jeff- first of all, i'll be glad to help you out one-on-one as much as i can. i'm fairly good with midi, though no expert. you can email me privately if you'd like. if you're going to want to control all of your gear, i would suggest getting one of the big boys (rocktron all access, cae rs10, skydstrup (sp?), etc.). the fcb is good for the money, but i fear you'll run into limitations on down the road. i use mine minimally...for the main control, the all access handles it well. another thing: to address the midiot issue, i would pick up a beginner and/or intermediate book on general midi (how it came about, it's design and intentions, application, how it works on a technical level, etc.) which will give you a good foundation. i borrowed a friend's book from a midi class he took and read it before i started buying. a good book on the issue will help you in all-things-midi, not just footcontrollers, which are easily just one of the many wonderful applications of midi. let me know if i can help. good call on the GL...you're gonna love it. if you have any problems with that, ken is always very good about coming forth with help and tips. i have some general tips too... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 03:12:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h727Bgl23232; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 03:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 03:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:11:36 -0700 Subject: RE: looping up the wall... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308020116.h721Gec22829@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <8E166163-C4B8-11D7-A920-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I never had problem with MIDI sync on an EDP, on three different machines, connected to a variety of drum machines and groove boxes. When your start point appears to move, does it moved to a random new point, or is it the same "wrong" point each time? One thing I ran into with Brothersync was the mistake of not waiting for a start point to be defined by the other box when I was trying to start a new loop--you have to wait until the loop start point comes around again, otherwise the second box doesn't know that there's something to sync to. TravisH On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 06:16 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> >> I am only using Brother sync at this time, but has synced to/from MIDI > clock >> before and never experienced this problem. Have you tried setting the > start >> point again, on the fly, to set the EDP to see a new start point? >> Gary >> >> > > Yes. Nothing doing. > > I'm beginning to feel that I'm the only person in the world using midi > synch. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 03:12:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72796M23076; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 03:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 03:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <127.2e6b3398.2c5cbd8b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 03:08:59 EDT Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <_-QzM.A.boF.RO2K_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >the click appears only when I plug > > a guitar (volume turned up) on any component. > > Have you tried it with more than one guitar? Hang on a minute, no one's suggested trying a different lead. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 03:28:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h727Rr424594; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 03:27:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 03:27:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c358d1$17f8db20$3f1cfc0c@attbi.com> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:35:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C35896.6B4616C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C35896.6B4616C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C35896.6B4616C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C35896.6B4616C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 04:04:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72820u28654; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 04:02:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 04:02:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:19:23 -0700 Subject: Re: looping up the wall... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801162216.014f53d8@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <59D5C68A-C487-11D7-8276-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it would stand to reason that if you're in overdub with a low feedback, you'll never realize it's drifting because the original is gone replaced by the new. If you play the new in sync, it will effectively be in sync. No? This is the way Matthias explained it to me. This is why I've always liked the Repeater. Stays in sync and gets your whites whiter. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 04:39 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > Getting angry won't help. > > I've been slaving my EDP to MIDI sync exclusively for the past few > years, with no trouble. Jon makes a good point - are you leaving > overdub open for long periods of time? > > I don't quite remember the details regarding endless overdubs (I > generally only overdub short passages), but I do remember hearing that > in Loop mode you need to take it out of overdub periodically. Maybe > in Delay mode you don't (?) - I can't quite remember. > > You just need to punch out and then back into overdub during a silent > part, every so often. > > Breathe deeply, > > -Hans > > > At 16:08 01/08/2003, you wrote: > >> > I only use sync out - BUT I remember some mumbo-jumbo a while back >> about >> how >> > the EDP doesn't actively sync while overdubbing past the loop point >> or >> > certain other special cases (certain feedback settings) - because >> the way >> it >> > syncs to incoming clock is by adding or omitting +/- 50msec of >> audio at >> the >> > loop point rather than time stretching the audio which it can't >> really do >> > anyway. I think the idea is so that your overdub isn't polluted at >> the >> loop >> > point due to a sync action. >> >> That makes sense. >> >> However, it means that midi synch is totally useless, and I've >> managed to >> waste a great deal of time over the last couple of years trying to >> get the >> box to work and blaming myself, my cables and everything else. >> >> I'm in a really, really bad mood. >> >> bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 07:58:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72BvoG19227; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:57:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030802115744.44779.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 04:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <127.2e6b3398.2c5cbd8b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good point; a bad cord could be picking up something. My first suspect wouldn't have been the cord or the guitar because he said it was a *steady* clicking (55 bpm, was it?), but either one could be, as he wrote, acting as an antenna of some sort. Another (remotish) possibility: the setup doesn't include anything that has an onboard metronome, does it? (Tht's probably NOT it, because other instruments would do it too.) I once had an obnoxious click show up for the first few minutes of a sound check when I set up my rig, and it turned out that the 'Guide' knob on my RC-20 had gotten bumped... I never use the metronome, so it didn't immediately jump out at me that that's what it was. -t- --- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > Hang on a minute, no one's suggested trying a > different lead. > > >the click appears only when I plug > > > a guitar (volume turned up) on any component. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 09:40:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72Ddu900643; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:39:54 -0400 Subject: RE: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200308020116.h721Geq22832@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h72DdtW00620 Resent-Message-ID: <9J4YZC.A.8J.r87K_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Paolo Valladolid > Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 7:23:07 PM US/Eastern > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: mac G5 -- what's the word? > The Emagic stuff is supposed to be optimized for > dual-processor G4s (obviously not yet for G5s), so > we'll see about that.... In OS9 (I'm running Logic 6.1.1 on a G4 450DP) the System Performance window has two meters for the dual CPUs so you can see how they're working: only the 2nd CPU is working at all times, except when you record audio AND have audio playback at the same time, then the 1st CPU takes onto the recording task, and the 2nd CPU handles the playback. Bouncing offline uses the 1st CPU exclusively. I do not know in OS X because the multiprocessing is handled low-level by the OS, rather than the app, and there is only one meter for both CPUs in Logic. In real terms I noticed that when I reach the near limit of the CPU (with plugins, soft-synths etc.) on a single-CPU machine, the screen redraws, key hits etc. become extremely slow, whereas on a dual-CPU I assume the 2nd CPU to take on those tasks because it never happens. I did not notice any real difference in terms of plugins, audio tracks etc. between a single and dual processor G4 450 (I have both). As a lot of things that are computer-related, assuming Logic's meters are accurate, there is a lot of hype and little facts… Hope it helps. Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 09:43:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72DghR01175; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:42:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:42:42 -0400 Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Laurent Brondel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200308020116.h721Geq22832@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <30A4C68F-C4EF-11D7-9EA6-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h72DghW01152 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Tim Nelson > Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 4:25:27 PM US/Eastern > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem > > > Laurent wrote: >> the click appears only when I plug >> a guitar (volume turned up) on any component. > > Have you tried it with more than one guitar? If it > does it with that one but not others, I'd look at > shielding. If it does it with ANY guitar, the problem > is more likely either downstream or maybe a dirty > power issue. > > -t- > Yes I tried with all my electric guitars and basses, but they're all passive designs (vintage…). I do not have an EMG-type active guitar to try here. Never had a problem with my guitars before, outside of the habitual single-coil hum. What are the solutions for a "dirty power" issue? Thank you, Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 10:22:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72ELQr05242; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:21:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:21:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:21:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c35901$54ae1500$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <127.2e6b3398.2c5cbd8b@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Though he already tried that... Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 3:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem > >the click appears only when I plug > > a guitar (volume turned up) on any component. > > Have you tried it with more than one guitar? Hang on a minute, no one's suggested trying a different lead. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 10:29:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72ESGP05942; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <30A4C68F-C4EF-11D7-9EA6-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> References: <30A4C68F-C4EF-11D7-9EA6-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:28:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What are the solutions for a "dirty power" issue? I have been following this thread with interest because I'm also having power issues--but not quite the same thing as what you're dealing with, however. My amps are cutting in and out on me. The signal starts to wane and decay until, eventually, it (or the two amps together) falls silent. Then, after a little while, the signal comes back. The whole cycle repeats itself every so often. What to do about it? I called the guys at Furman. The person I spoke to, Christos (extension 120, if you call him yourself), was immensely helpful. In fact, you may want to call him and describe your problem in detail. The solution that he recommended for me (and perhaps the same would work for you) was to get the Furman AR-1215 Power Conditioner/Voltage Regulator. Here's the description of the unit from the Sweetwater catalog: "The 15 amp AR-1215 AC Line Regulator protects gear from problems causes by AC line voltage irregularities. Delivers a stable 120 +/- VAC for input AC line voltage between 97V and 141V." As an added bonus, all Furman products have built in surge protection--real protection, unlike strip outlets, which I've been using to this point. So, perhaps you should look into the AR-1215, or at least give Furman a call. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 10:30:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72ETm506271; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:29:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:29:43 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: mp3 uploaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I uploaded part of my last live gig recordings by mp3. I used Live 2.0 with Reaktor4 on Powerbook G4 400Mhz. Please visit below: http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/M1_0731_2003.mp3 http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/M2_0731_2003.mp3 http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/M3_0731_2003.mp3 http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/M4_0731_2003.mp3 http://low.cavestudio.org/music/mp3/july_2003/M5_0731_2003.mp3 Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 10:33:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72EXCm06832; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:33:04 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c35902$fc781280$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <30A4C68F-C4EF-11D7-9EA6-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You have a power conditioner, so 'dirty power' shouldn't be an issue. Shouldn't. You also stated that you tried powering without the conditioner and there was no change. It is possible that the conditioner is passing noise, but unlikely. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Laurent Brondel [mailto:laurent@megalink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 9:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem > From: Tim Nelson > Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 4:25:27 PM US/Eastern > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem > > > Laurent wrote: >> the click appears only when I plug >> a guitar (volume turned up) on any component. > > Have you tried it with more than one guitar? If it > does it with that one but not others, I'd look at > shielding. If it does it with ANY guitar, the problem > is more likely either downstream or maybe a dirty > power issue. > > -t- > Yes I tried with all my electric guitars and basses, but they're all passive designs (vintage.). I do not have an EMG-type active guitar to try here. Never had a problem with my guitars before, outside of the habitual single-coil hum. What are the solutions for a "dirty power" issue? Thank you, Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 10:48:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72Elk509113; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS:GP-100,Quadraverb2,QSR,SU-700 Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030802144741.3018011F39@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h72EljW09079 Resent-Message-ID: <2XukRD.A.OOC.S88K_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all! *Roland GP-100 Preamp/Multieffects. *Alesis Quadraverb2 Dual Effects Processor. *Alesis QSR Synth (with: Vintage Keyboards,Vintage Synths,Eurodance QCards). *Yamaha SU-700 Sampler (20MB Expanded memory). Just time to concentrate on my Warr... Accepting offers, since I don't know how much to ask. I'm located in Spain, but would send them out Europe as well. I've posted this message exclusively here. Thanks, Raül. _____________________________________________________________ Who Needs Yahoo? http://www.ad-free.net - Absolutely No Advertising! - Newest Addition: http://ShoppingForDisney.com _____________________________________________________________ If somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spam policy here: http://www.ad-free.net/antispam.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 12:12:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72GBrs16624; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:11:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS:Kaoss Pad, AirFX, Aphex, F2-B ... Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [80.58.38.107] Message-Id: <20030802161150.6F5DF3F4A@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h72GBqW16599 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again! here it goes, all what i'm not using regularly. all equipment is in good condition: * Kaoss Pad, effects processor * Alesis AirFX, ef. processor * APHEX Aural Exciter TypeC2 * Alembic F2-B stereo tube preamp * Oberheim Matrix1000 analog synth * Roland SPD-6 percussion pad I'll include my previous list. Just posted here also. >*Roland GP-100 Preamp/Multieffects. >*Alesis Quadraverb2 Dual Effects Processor. >*Alesis QSR Synth (with: Vintage Keyboards,Vintage Synths,Eurodance QCards). >*Yamaha SU-700 Sampler (20MB Expanded memory). Just time to concentrate on my Warr... Accepting offers, since I don't know how much to ask. I'm located in Spain, but would send them out Europe as well. I've posted this message exclusively here. Thanks, Raül. _____________________________________________________________ Who Needs Yahoo? http://www.ad-free.net - Absolutely No Advertising! - Newest Addition: http://ShoppingForDisney.com _____________________________________________________________ If somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spam policy here: http://www.ad-free.net/antispam.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 13:10:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72HA7m22017; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:10:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <30A4C68F-C4EF-11D7-9EA6-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Message-Id: <28AF9D06-C50C-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h72HA6W21992 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Once, before a gig, I was playing around with a "Sample/Play" patch that recorded the first bit of audio it detected and then played it back with any subsequent audio input. See where this is going? The next day I packed up my gear and set it up at the cafe, ready to play. Only I kept hearing a weird click/pop when ever I played a note! DROVE ME CRAZY. I tore my rig apart trying to find the gremlin. Finally, I looked at the multieffects processor and realized it has sampled me plugging in my guitar and was now playing that sound back to me with ever note. Moral? None really. Good luck with your audio gremlin! Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 06:42 AM, Laurent Brondel wrote: >> From: Tim Nelson >> Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 4:25:27 PM US/Eastern >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem >> >> >> Laurent wrote: >>> the click appears only when I plug >>> a guitar (volume turned up) on any component. >> >> Have you tried it with more than one guitar? If it >> does it with that one but not others, I'd look at >> shielding. If it does it with ANY guitar, the problem >> is more likely either downstream or maybe a dirty >> power issue. >> >> -t- >> > Yes I tried with all my electric guitars and basses, but they're all > passive designs (vintage…). I do not have an EMG-type active guitar to > try here. Never had a problem with my guitars before, outside of the > habitual single-coil hum. What are the solutions for a "dirty power" > issue? > Thank you, > Laurent > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 14:21:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72IJuA29811; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:19:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <130.235a0379.2c5d5ac2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:19:46 EDT Subject: ALESIS INEKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <32XhWD.A.tRH.MDAL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there was some talk about this unit a bit ago.....MUSICIAN'S FRIEND has it for $69.99.....$199.>$99.99>$69.99.....very tempting for a small kit reverb unit.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 15:06:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72J5Df02811; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:05:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.174.246] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <130.235a0379.2c5d5ac2@aol.com> Subject: Re: ALESIS INEKO Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:04:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C358EE.4AE8FE30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:04:57 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 19:05:02.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA50A960:01C35928] Resent-Message-ID: <9GAEkC.A.yr.otAL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C358EE.4AE8FE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been eyeing this one too, but more for soundmangling type of effects. = Can anybody comment on its array of sound possibilities, flexibility, = ease of use? Any guitarists using it in their Repeater FX send/return? Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: ALESIS INEKO there was some talk about this unit a bit ago.....MUSICIAN'S FRIEND = has it=20 for $69.99.....$199.>$99.99>$69.99.....very tempting for a small kit = reverb=20 unit.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C358EE.4AE8FE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Been eyeing this one too, but more for soundmangling type of = effects. Can=20 anybody comment on its array of sound possibilities, flexibility, ease = of use?=20 Any guitarists using it in their Repeater FX send/return?
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 = 11:19=20 AM
Subject: ALESIS INEKO

there was some talk about this unit a bit = ago.....MUSICIAN'S=20 FRIEND has it
for $69.99.....$199.>$99.99>$69.99.....very = tempting=20 for a small kit reverb=20
unit.....michael

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C358EE.4AE8FE30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 15:15:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72JEm303999; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.174.246] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <30A4C68F-C4EF-11D7-9EA6-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:14:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C358EF.A322C9E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:14:35 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 19:14:42.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[53AAD930:01C3592A] Resent-Message-ID: <2I9fkB.A.X-.o2AL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C358EF.A322C9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >My amps are cutting in and out on me. The signal starts to wane and=20 >decay until, eventually, it (or the two amps together) falls silent.=20 >Then, after a little while, the signal comes back. The whole cycle=20 >repeats itself every so often. Sounds a bit like your amps might be going into thermal shutdown. If = you're not overloading it by signal, other potential sources of overload = are hum, a DC offset problem (if DC coupled), or (inaudible) excessive = RF interference coupling into the amp. Neither of these are necessarily = solved by a supply filter such as the Furman. It would take some = investigation if it's not simply a matter of trimming down your average = power level. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Shirkey=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 7:28 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem >What are the solutions for a "dirty power" issue? I have been following this thread with interest because I'm also=20 having power issues--but not quite the same thing as what you're=20 dealing with, however. My amps are cutting in and out on me. The signal starts to wane and=20 decay until, eventually, it (or the two amps together) falls silent.=20 Then, after a little while, the signal comes back. The whole cycle=20 repeats itself every so often. What to do about it? I called the guys at Furman. The person I spoke=20 to, Christos (extension 120, if you call him yourself), was immensely=20 helpful. In fact, you may want to call him and describe your problem=20 in detail. The solution that he recommended for me (and perhaps the=20 same would work for you) was to get the Furman AR-1215 Power=20 Conditioner/Voltage Regulator. Here's the description of the unit=20 from the Sweetwater catalog: "The 15 amp AR-1215 AC Line Regulator protects gear from problems=20 causes by AC line voltage irregularities. Delivers a stable 120 +/-=20 VAC for input AC line voltage between 97V and 141V." As an added bonus, all Furman products have built in surge=20 protection--real protection, unlike strip outlets, which I've been=20 using to this point. So, perhaps you should look into the AR-1215, or at least give Furman = a call. Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C358EF.A322C9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>My amps are cutting in and out on me. The signal starts to wane = and=20
>decay until, eventually, it (or the two amps together) falls = silent.=20
>Then, after a little while, the signal comes back. The whole = cycle=20
>repeats itself every so often.
Sounds a bit like your amps might be going into thermal shutdown. = If you're=20 not overloading it by signal, other potential sources of overload are = hum, a DC=20 offset problem (if DC coupled), or (inaudible) excessive RF interference = coupling into the amp. Neither of these are necessarily solved by a = supply=20 filter such as the Furman. It would take some investigation if it's not = simply a=20 matter of trimming down your average power level.
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Shirkey
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 = 7:28=20 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Noise = interference=20 problem

>What are the solutions for a "dirty power" = issue?

I=20 have been following this thread with interest because I'm also =
having=20 power issues--but not quite the same thing as what you're
dealing = with,=20 however.

My amps are cutting in and out on me. The signal = starts to=20 wane and
decay until, eventually, it (or the two amps together) = falls=20 silent.
Then, after a little while, the signal comes back. The = whole cycle=20
repeats itself every so often.

What to do about it? I = called the=20 guys at Furman. The person I spoke
to, Christos (extension 120, if = you=20 call him yourself), was immensely
helpful. In fact, you may want = to call=20 him and describe your problem
in detail. The solution  that = he=20 recommended for me (and perhaps the
same would work for you) was = to get=20 the Furman AR-1215 Power
Conditioner/Voltage Regulator. Here's the = description of the unit
from the Sweetwater catalog:

"The = 15 amp=20 AR-1215 AC Line Regulator protects gear from problems
causes by AC = line=20 voltage irregularities. Delivers a stable 120 +/-
VAC for input AC = line=20 voltage between 97V and 141V."

As an added bonus, all Furman = products=20 have built in surge
protection--real protection, unlike strip = outlets,=20 which I've been
using to this point.

So, perhaps you should = look=20 into the AR-1215, or at least give Furman a=20 call.

Jeff

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C358EF.A322C9E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 15:52:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72JpFB07382; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:51:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:51:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <30A4C68F-C4EF-11D7-9EA6-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:51:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Sounds a bit like your amps might be going into thermal shutdown. Needless to say, this doesn't sound good! lol >If you're not overloading it by signal, well, that's the odd thing--at least to me. If I plug straight into my amps, there's no problem. When I run through all my gear--problem. > other potential sources of overload are hum, a DC offset problem >(if DC coupled), or (inaudible) excessive RF interference coupling >into the amp. Neither of these are necessarily solved by a supply >filter such as the Furman. Now I'm in over my head for sure, which was why I called Furman in the first place. I may take your comments and run them by the guy I talked to, just to see what he says. He was pretty thorough in his explanation to me previously, but I didn't hit him with the scenarios you are proposing either. > It would take some investigation if it's not simply a matter of >trimming down your average power level. Call an electrician in other words? Thanks for your help, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 16:14:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72KCnQ09177; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:12:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:12:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.174.246] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <30A4C68F-C4EF-11D7-9EA6-003065B85F3C@megalink.net> Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:12:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C358F7.BDEFC680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:12:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2003 20:12:42.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DDC0B00:01C35932] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C358F7.BDEFC680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>If you're not overloading it by signal, >well, that's the odd thing--at least to me. If I plug straight into=20 >my amps, there's no problem. When I run through all my gear--problem. I may not be the best qualified for remote troubleshooting (seen some = very methodical guidance offered on this list many times), but these are = my thoughts: If the signal chain of the additiona gear you mention doesn't affect the = gain / average power of the signal (adjust if so), then eliminate each = piece of gear individually (take 1 out, put back in chain, take 2 out = etc) and check for improvement. If level "shouldn't" be a problem (I.e. if amp headroom appears to be = sufficient) and the amp is overloading thermally, I tend to suspect = inaudible (high or low frequency) in your signal. It could be e.g. that = one of your digital (i.e. sampling) effects units is contributing = significant out-of-band power if it lacks sufficient post-filtering. If = that is the case, putting it upstream from anything that does have good = HF roll-off should improve the problem. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Shirkey=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem > >Sounds a bit like your amps might be going into thermal shutdown. Needless to say, this doesn't sound good! lol >If you're not overloading it by signal, well, that's the odd thing--at least to me. If I plug straight into=20 my amps, there's no problem. When I run through all my gear--problem. > other potential sources of overload are hum, a DC offset problem=20 >(if DC coupled), or (inaudible) excessive RF interference coupling=20 >into the amp. Neither of these are necessarily solved by a supply=20 >filter such as the Furman. Now I'm in over my head for sure, which was why I called Furman in=20 the first place. I may take your comments and run them by the guy I=20 talked to, just to see what he says. He was pretty thorough in his=20 explanation to me previously, but I didn't hit him with the scenarios=20 you are proposing either. > It would take some investigation if it's not simply a matter of=20 >trimming down your average power level. Call an electrician in other words? Thanks for your help, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C358F7.BDEFC680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>If you're not overloading it by signal,

>well, = that's the=20 odd thing--at least to me. If I plug straight into
>my amps, = there's no=20 problem. When I run through all my gear--problem.
I may not be the best qualified for remote troubleshooting (seen = some very=20 methodical guidance offered on this list many times), but these are my=20 thoughts:
 
If the signal chain of the additiona gear you mention doesn't = affect the=20 gain / average power of the signal (adjust if so), then eliminate each = piece of=20 gear individually (take 1 out, put back in chain, take 2 out etc) and = check for=20 improvement.
 
If level "shouldn't" be a problem (I.e. if amp headroom appears to = be=20 sufficient) and the amp is overloading thermally, I tend to suspect = inaudible=20 (high or low frequency) in your signal. It could be e.g. that one of = your=20 digital (i.e. sampling) effects units is contributing significant = out-of-band=20 power if it lacks sufficient post-filtering. If that is the case, = putting it=20 upstream from anything that does have good HF roll-off should improve = the=20 problem.
 
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Shirkey
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 = 12:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Noise = interference=20 problem

>
>Sounds a bit like your amps might be going = into=20 thermal shutdown.

Needless to say, this doesn't sound good!=20 lol

>If you're not overloading it by signal,

well, = that's the=20 odd thing--at least to me. If I plug straight into
my amps, = there's no=20 problem. When I run through all my gear--problem.

>  = other=20 potential sources of overload are hum, a DC offset problem
>(if = DC=20 coupled), or (inaudible) excessive RF interference coupling =
>into the=20 amp. Neither of these are necessarily solved by a supply =
>filter such=20 as the Furman.

Now I'm in over my head for sure, which was why = I called=20 Furman in
the first place. I may take your comments and run them = by the=20 guy I
talked to, just to see what he says. He was pretty thorough = in his=20
explanation to me previously, but I didn't hit him with the = scenarios=20
you are proposing either.

>  It would take some=20 investigation if it's not simply a matter of
>trimming down = your=20 average power level.

Call an electrician in other = words?

Thanks=20 for your help,

Jeff

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C358F7.BDEFC680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 17:08:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h72L5on14001; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:05:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:05:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F2C27A8.5A6A1621@telus.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:05:44 -0700 From: Peter Tait X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help finding that special sound... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow loopers I just purchased my Lexicon Vortex on ebay and I am looking forward to hours of looping and morphing! I was wondering if any of you know how I might be able to emulate Eric Clapton's classic guitar sound from the Cream song "Badge", using the Vortex. I am, of course, referring to the middle section where Eric goes into an arpeggio run. It sounds like the guitar is being put through a leslie. I am going to try and play with the Orbit settings on my Vortex, but does anyone else have any ideas on how I might be able to capture that sound? Thanks, Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 23:40:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h733dRM25290; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:39:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:39:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:39:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c35970$d2dbb850$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3594F.4BCA1850" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3594F.4BCA1850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nic is right. But consider a few other choices as well. The thermal condition could cause a poor solder connection to fail. Be advised that there are LETHAL voltages inside these units. If you are inclined to investigate, be aware of that. No time to comment further, just finished a festival and have part two in the morning. Must get sleep. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 4:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem >>If you're not overloading it by signal, >well, that's the odd thing--at least to me. If I plug straight into >my amps, there's no problem. When I run through all my gear--problem. I may not be the best qualified for remote troubleshooting (seen some very methodical guidance offered on this list many times), but these are my thoughts: If the signal chain of the additiona gear you mention doesn't affect the gain / average power of the signal (adjust if so), then eliminate each piece of gear individually (take 1 out, put back in chain, take 2 out etc) and check for improvement. If level "shouldn't" be a problem (I.e. if amp headroom appears to be sufficient) and the amp is overloading thermally, I tend to suspect inaudible (high or low frequency) in your signal. It could be e.g. that one of your digital (i.e. sampling) effects units is contributing significant out-of-band power if it lacks sufficient post-filtering. If that is the case, putting it upstream from anything that does have good HF roll-off should improve the problem. Nic ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem > >Sounds a bit like your amps might be going into thermal shutdown. Needless to say, this doesn't sound good! lol >If you're not overloading it by signal, well, that's the odd thing--at least to me. If I plug straight into my amps, there's no problem. When I run through all my gear--problem. > other potential sources of overload are hum, a DC offset problem >(if DC coupled), or (inaudible) excessive RF interference coupling >into the amp. Neither of these are necessarily solved by a supply >filter such as the Furman. Now I'm in over my head for sure, which was why I called Furman in the first place. I may take your comments and run them by the guy I talked to, just to see what he says. He was pretty thorough in his explanation to me previously, but I didn't hit him with the scenarios you are proposing either. > It would take some investigation if it's not simply a matter of >trimming down your average power level. Call an electrician in other words? Thanks for your help, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3594F.4BCA1850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nic is right. But consider a few = other choices as well. The thermal condition could cause a poor solder = connection to fail. Be advised that there are LETHAL voltages inside these units. If = you are inclined to investigate,  be aware of that. No time to comment further, just finished a festival and have part two in the morning. Must get sleep.

 

Respect=

 <= /span>

Will = Brake

Soul Fruit = Electronics

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, August = 02, 2003 4:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem

 

>>If you're not overloading it by signal,

>well, that's the odd thing--at least to me. If I plug straight into =
>my amps, there's no problem. When I run through all my = gear--problem.

I may not be the best qualified for remote troubleshooting (seen some very methodical guidance offered on this list many times), but these are my thoughts:

 

If the signal chain of the additiona gear you mention doesn't affect the = gain / average power of the signal (adjust if so), then eliminate each piece of = gear individually (take 1 out, put back in chain, take 2 out etc) and check = for improvement.

 

If level "shouldn't" be a problem (I.e. if amp headroom appears = to be sufficient) and the amp is overloading thermally, I tend to suspect = inaudible (high or low frequency) in your signal. It could be e.g. that one of = your digital (i.e. sampling) effects units is contributing significant = out-of-band power if it lacks sufficient post-filtering. If that is the case, = putting it upstream from anything that does have good HF roll-off should improve = the problem.

 

Nic=

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff Shirkey =

Sent: Saturday, = August 02, 2003 12:51 PM

Subject: Re: [OT] Noise interference problem

 

>
>Sounds a bit like your amps might be going into thermal = shutdown.

Needless to say, this doesn't sound good! lol

>If you're not overloading it by signal,

well, that's the odd thing--at least to me. If I plug straight into
my amps, there's no problem. When I run through all my = gear--problem.

>  other potential sources of overload are hum, a DC offset = problem
>(if DC coupled), or (inaudible) excessive RF interference coupling =
>into the amp. Neither of these are necessarily solved by a supply =
>filter such as the Furman.

Now I'm in over my head for sure, which was why I called Furman in
the first place. I may take your comments and run them by the guy I
talked to, just to see what he says. He was pretty thorough in his
explanation to me previously, but I didn't hit him with the scenarios =
you are proposing either.

>  It would take some investigation if it's not simply a matter = of
>trimming down your average power level.

Call an electrician in other words?

Thanks for your help,

Jeff

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3594F.4BCA1850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 2 23:53:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h733qb526999; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:52:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000d01c35970$d2dbb850$7f613d44@soulfruit> References: <000d01c35970$d2dbb850$7f613d44@soulfruit> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:52:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Nic is right. But consider a few other choices as well. The thermal >condition could cause a poor solder connection to fail. Here's the thing, though. Wouldn't my amps start to sound like shit regardless of what other gear I was running? Remember, if I plug straight in, no problems at all. The amps both sound great. >Be advised that there are LETHAL voltages inside these units. If you >are inclined to investigate, be aware of that. Heeeeellll no. I'm not so inclined. ;) I just play the damn things. I don't build 'em, repair 'em, or otherwise! :) Seriously, though, it's hard to find a good tech. I prob. should ask around, just so I have a qualified gear/amp guy. >No time to comment further, just finished a festival and have part >two in the morning. Must get sleep. Thanks. Good luck with tomorrow's gig. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 00:47:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h734kvS00823; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:46:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:46:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c3597a$bb8bf660$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000d01c35970$d2dbb850$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Evolver Analog Synth Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:50:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [68.163.219.19] at Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:46:50 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone tried the Evolver Analog Synth?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 01:52:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h735pIw07483; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:51:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:51:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.35.139.184] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: "Loopers-Delight" References: <200308030340.h733ep025486@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Using the FCB1010 with MPX1? Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:51:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C35959.5017BC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:51:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2003 05:51:10.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D96B2A0:01C35983] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C35959.5017BC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey everyone, I know this is not totally looper related, but I know a lot of people = use the FCB1010 and the MPX 1 on the list, so I thought I'd ask . . . Is anybody using the FCB1010 to control the Lexicon MPX-1? Does it work, and have you had any problems getting them to "talk" to = each other? Thinking about an MPX-1, and wanted to see if this would work. Thanks, David ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C35959.5017BC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey everyone,
 
I know this is not totally looper related, but I know a lot of = people use=20 the FCB1010 and the MPX 1 on the list, so I thought I'd ask . . .
 
Is anybody using the FCB1010 to control the Lexicon MPX-1?
 
Does it work, and have you had any problems getting them to "talk" = to each=20 other?
 
Thinking about an MPX-1, and wanted to see if this would = work.
 
Thanks,
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C35959.5017BC00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 02:02:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7361KF08359; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 02:01:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 02:01:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Using the FCB1010 with MPX1? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--21101274 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--21101274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It does work, but the MPX has a special protocol for talking to the R1 =20= which allows extra functionality. Basically you can make it work like =20= it's a bunch of stomp boxes. Really useful. (and I've got the pair on ebay now!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/=20 eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2549152025&category=3D38070&rd=3D1 sorry, couldn't help it Mark On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 10:51 PM, David Durian wrote: > Hey everyone, > =A0 > I know this is not totally looper related, but I know a lot of people =20= > use the FCB1010 and the MPX 1 on the list, so I thought I'd ask . . . > =A0 > Is anybody using the FCB1010 to control the Lexicon MPX-1? > =A0 > Does it work, and have you had any problems getting them to "talk" to =20= > each other? > =A0 > Thinking about an MPX-1, and wanted to see if this would work. > =A0 > Thanks, > =A0 > David --Apple-Mail-6--21101274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 It does work, but the MPX has a special protocol for talking to the R1 which allows extra functionality. Basically you can make it work like it's a bunch of stomp boxes. Really useful. (and I've got the pair on ebay now!) = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2549152025&category=3D= 38070&rd=3D1 sorry, couldn't help it Mark On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 10:51 PM, David Durian wrote: Hey everyone, =A0 I know this is not totally looper related, but I know a lot of people use the FCB1010 and the MPX 1 on the list, so I thought I'd ask . . . =A0 Is anybody using the FCB1010 to control the Lexicon MPX-1? =A0 Does it work, and have you had any problems getting them to "talk" to each other? =A0 Thinking about an MPX-1, and wanted to see if this would work. =A0 Thanks, =A0 David = --Apple-Mail-6--21101274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 03:04:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h736vFT15128; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 02:57:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 02:57:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:55:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Using the FCB1010 with MPX1? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--17820818 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <88D19B70-C57F-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-8--17820818 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Woops, I'm sorry. MPX1, not G2. Great effect processor. Does work=20 with any MIDI controller, including the MPX1. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 10:51 PM, David Durian wrote: > Hey everyone, > =A0 > I know this is not totally looper related, but I know a lot of people=20= > use the FCB1010 and the MPX 1 on the list, so I thought I'd ask . . . > =A0 > Is anybody using the FCB1010 to control the Lexicon MPX-1? > =A0 > Does it work, and have you had any problems getting them to "talk" to=20= > each other? > =A0 > Thinking about an MPX-1, and wanted to see if this would work. > =A0 > Thanks, > =A0 > David --Apple-Mail-8--17820818 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Woops, I'm sorry. MPX1, not G2. Great effect processor. Does work with any MIDI controller, including the MPX1. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 10:51 PM, David Durian wrote: Hey everyone, =A0 I know this is not totally looper related, but I know a lot of people use the FCB1010 and the MPX 1 on the list, so I thought I'd ask . . . =A0 Is anybody using the FCB1010 to control the Lexicon MPX-1? =A0 Does it work, and have you had any problems getting them to "talk" to each other? =A0 Thinking about an MPX-1, and wanted to see if this would work. =A0 Thanks, =A0 David = --Apple-Mail-8--17820818-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 08:52:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h73CpNZ20910; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:51:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 07:52:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Evolver Analog Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000501c3597a$bb8bf660$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <4B571E1A-C5B1-11D7-8813-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I have one. They sound amazing and perhaps are the best (synth) bang for the buck out there. They are a mono-synth and the sequencer (in this rev of the firmware) doesn't transmit MIDI (it only controls internal parameters, but it does sync to MIDI clock and send it). All in all Dave Smith really did a great job on this one. Anything else you want to know (BTW I haven't used in in my looping setup yet)? On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 11:50 PM, David wrote: > Has anyone tried the Evolver Analog Synth?? > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 09:00:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h73CxMN21904; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c359be$9fd68400$31e35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 2, 2003 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:55:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3599D.064616A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8J66zC.A.GWF.qcQL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3599D.064616A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #28 August 2, 2003. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Under the Dome Strange Attractor Dome Roots Collection (Cochlear Vision) Syndromeda Out of the Dark Creatures from the = Inner (Neu Harmony) Synthetic Block Doused Sonic Approach = (Hypnos/Binary) Can Atilla Underwater Moonlight Live (Groove) Can Atilla Dark Velvet Live (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Amanaska Panorama Panorama (One World) David Arkenstone The Fairy Ring Spirit of Ireland = (Green Hill) Randy Armstrong Fisherman's Cancion No Regrets (Domo) UMAN Tous Dans le Meme Bateau You Are Here (Six = Degrees) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Satellite The Evening Wind Satellite (Metal Mind) Ankh On the Way Expect Unexpected = (Metal Mind) Kraan Run Sonny Run Through (Bassball) Echolyn Sweet Thing Jersey Tomato Vol. 2 = (none) * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on August 16. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3599D.064616A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
            =    =20     Show #28       =20             August 2,=20 2003.
Phase I/Space:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Under the=20 Dome          Strange=20 Attractor        Dome Roots=20 Collection
          = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;   =20 (Cochlear=20 Vision)
Syndromeda        &nbs= p;    =20 Out of the Dark          = Creatures=20 from the Inner=20 (Neu
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Harmony)
Synthetic = Block        =20 Doused           &= nbsp;      =20 Sonic Approach (Hypnos/Binary)
Can=20 Atilla           &= nbsp; =20 Underwater Moonlight     Live (Groove)
Can=20 Atilla           &= nbsp; =20 Dark=20 Velvet           &= nbsp; =20 Live (Groove)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Amanaska       &nbs= p;       =20 Panorama           = ;     =20 Panorama (One World)
David=20 Arkenstone        The Fairy=20 Ring           Spirit = of=20 Ireland (Green Hill)
Randy=20 Armstrong         Fisherman's=20 Cancion      No Regrets=20 (Domo)
UMAN          = ;         =20 Tous Dans le Meme Bateau You Are Here (Six Degrees)
 
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Satellite       &nb= sp;      =20 The Evening Wind         = Satellite=20 (Metal=20 Mind)
Ankh          =          =20 On the=20 Way           &nbs= p;  =20 Expect Unexpected (Metal=20 Mind)
Kraan          = ;        =20 Run Sonny = Run           =20 Through=20 (Bassball)
Echolyn        &nbs= p;       =20 Sweet=20 Thing           &n= bsp; =20 Jersey Tomato Vol. 2 (none)
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on August 16.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond
the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New=20 Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary=20 releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh=20 and
click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C3599D.064616A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 09:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h73Dqxv27893; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:52:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b401c359c6$2180ed40$31e35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for July, 2003 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:49:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C359A4.8CE91520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C359A4.8CE91520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for July, 2003. Shows #328 to #332; 3-July-2003 to 31-July-2003 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Outpost - DiN Robert Rich - Bestiary - Relapse Robert Rich - Temple of the Invisible - Soundscape Robert Rich - Humidity - Hypnos Various Artists - Different Skies 2003 - Atomic City Robert Rich - Sunyata - Hypnos Rudy Adrian - Concerts in the USA - Groove Can Atilla - Live - Groove Code Indigo - Time Code - AD Music dbkaos - Art of Sacifice - DiN Erik W=F8llo - The Polar Drones - Groove Jeffrey Koepper - Etherea - Air Space Numina and Stephen Philips - Outward Appearance - Dark Duck Robert Carty - Ethereal Deserts - Deep Sky Ron Boots - Dreamscape - Groove Syndromeda - Creatures from the Inner - Neu Harmony Synthetic Block - Sonic Approach - Hypnos/Binary Under the Dome - Dome Roots Collection - Cochlear Vision Various Artists - Sequences No. 28 - Sequences Volt - The Far Canal - Groove Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C359A4.8CE91520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for July, 2003.
Shows #328 to #332; = 3-July-2003 to 31-July-2003
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled = by Bill=20 Fox, billfox@fast.net
 

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE -=20 LABEL
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Robert=20 Rich and Ian Boddy - Outpost - DiN
Robert Rich - Bestiary - = Relapse
Robert=20 Rich - Temple of the Invisible - Soundscape
Robert Rich - Humidity -=20 Hypnos
Various Artists - Different Skies 2003 - Atomic City
Robert = Rich -=20 Sunyata - Hypnos
Rudy Adrian - Concerts in the USA - Groove
Can = Atilla -=20 Live - Groove
Code Indigo - Time Code - AD Music
dbkaos - Art of = Sacifice=20 - DiN
Erik W=F8llo - The Polar Drones - Groove
Jeffrey Koepper - = Etherea -=20 Air Space
Numina and Stephen Philips - Outward Appearance - Dark=20 Duck
Robert Carty - Ethereal Deserts - Deep Sky
Ron Boots - = Dreamscape -=20 Groove
Syndromeda - Creatures from the Inner - Neu = Harmony
Synthetic Block=20 - Sonic Approach - Hypnos/Binary
Under the Dome - Dome Roots = Collection -=20 Cochlear Vision
Various Artists - Sequences No. 28 - = Sequences
Volt - The=20 Far Canal - Groove
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C359A4.8CE91520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 12:47:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h73Gj2A13177; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:45:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:45:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:45:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Evolver Analog Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000501c3597a$bb8bf660$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I looked at the on line demos for a bit, but decided the fact that it's monophonic is too limiting and bought a Korg MS2000R instead. Looked like a cool box though. Mark On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 09:50 PM, David wrote: > Has anyone tried the Evolver Analog Synth?? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 13:46:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h73Hh6b20808; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:43:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:43:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: ALESIS INEKO Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:43:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <130.235a0379.2c5d5ac2@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com recommended this one, so I ordered it--what's the longest delay time? Gary PS Also ordered the R1 to use with the MPX G2. I'm sure that will be very useful . . . Hey Steve Lawson, did you stop using yours at all? Just use footswitches? Por que? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 14:52:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h73IpMr29142; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:51:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:51:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.17cefc62.2c5eb3a5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:51:17 EDT Subject: Re: ALESIS INEKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a8.17cefc62.2c5eb3a5_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a8.17cefc62.2c5eb3a5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/3/03 1:43:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > Nemoguitt@aol.com recommended this one, so I ordered it--what's the longest > delay time? > gary.....i also recommend that you send me a big box-o-money with no delay!.....sorry, i don't know the longest delay on the ineko.....michael --part1_1a8.17cefc62.2c5eb3a5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/3/03= 1:43:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes:


Nemoguitt@aol.com recommended t= his one, so I ordered it--what's the longest
delay time?


gary.....i also recommend that you send me a big box-o-money with no delay!.= ....sorry, i don't know the longest delay on the ineko.....michael --part1_1a8.17cefc62.2c5eb3a5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 14:59:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h73IwaH30147; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:58:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:58:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c359f1$c2945fc0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , , , , "Ohmbient list" , Subject: Aug. 7, 2003, NYC concert: Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, echoes, loops, drones and minimalism. Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:02:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01C359D0.3B3F9C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C359D0.3B3F9C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 8/7! August 7, 2003=20 David Beardsley solo microtonal Just Intonation guitar, layers of drones and loops. 9 PM admission: $7.00 CHAMA: The Secret of the Golden Flower 332 East 4th Street (between Ave. C & D) East Village, NYC tel: 646-654-6472 http://www.gargoylemechanique.com/chama/chama_main.html "Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods....=20 clearly - in its glacial tension and release it=20 offered the essential outlines of symphonic form,=20 stripped of surface detail." - Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC "The electric guitar corner was represented by=20 David Beardsley's atmospheric "Around D" - operative=20 word "around." Beardsley played his maxi-fretted guitar=20 through a volume pedal, a looping device and other effects=20 to create swirling layers of meditative droning. Throbbing=20 close tones made it a vibration-oriented experience." - Josef Woodard, LA Times http://biink.com/db http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C359D0.3B3F9C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
8/7!
 
August 7, 2003
 
David Beardsley
solo microtonal Just = Intonation=20 guitar,
layers of drones and loops.
 
9 PM
admission: $7.00
 
CHAMA: The Secret of the Golden = Flower
332 East=20 4th Street (between Ave. C & D)
East Village, NYC
tel:=20 646-654-6472
http://w= ww.gargoylemechanique.com/chama/chama_main.html
 
"Beardsley sculpts tones into = overpowering=20 moods....
clearly - in its glacial tension and release it =
offered the=20 essential outlines of symphonic form,
stripped of surface = detail."
- Kyle=20 Gann, the Village Voice, NYC
 
"The electric guitar corner was = represented by=20
David Beardsley's atmospheric "Around D" - operative
word = "around."=20 Beardsley played his maxi-fretted guitar
through a volume pedal, a = looping=20 device and other effects
to create swirling layers of meditative = droning.=20 Throbbing
close tones made it a vibration-oriented experience."
- = Josef=20 Woodard, LA Times
 
http://biink.com/db
http://www.vill= agevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php
 
* David Beardsley
* microtonal = guitar
* http://biink.com/db
------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C359D0.3B3F9C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 16:56:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h73Kre511108; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:53:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:53:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c35a00$ff2c50a0$cd2b893e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <008f01c359f1$c2945fc0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Cardiff gig. Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:50:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C35A09.4DFC6D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4dzMCC.A.YtC.UZXL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C35A09.4DFC6D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any loopers in Wales - come to Journeys Cafe bar, Clifton street = Cardiff. Next Tuesday. Kick off around 9,30 - free drink to any LD members.DJ's too with off = the wall stuff - quite interesting.=20 STOP PRESS - We've got lights and SMOKE!!!! Could be shite - might be alright.... Gareth www.uk.digiserve.com/whiteoak/Mantra ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C35A09.4DFC6D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any loopers in Wales  - come to = Journeys Cafe=20 bar, Clifton street Cardiff. Next Tuesday.
Kick off around 9,30 - free drink to = any LD=20 members.DJ's too with off the wall stuff - quite interesting. =
STOP PRESS - We've got lights and=20 SMOKE!!!!
Could be shite - might be = alright....
 
Gareth
 
www.uk.digiserve.com= /whiteoak/Mantra
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C35A09.4DFC6D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 19:13:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h73N7jB26839; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:07:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:07:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: ALESIS INEKO Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:07:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1a8.17cefc62.2c5eb3a5@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey don't make fun of me just 'cause I have GAS . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ALESIS INEKO In a message dated 8/3/03 1:43:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: Nemoguitt@aol.com recommended this one, so I ordered it--what's the longest delay time? gary.....i also recommend that you send me a big box-o-money with no delay!.....sorry, i don't know the longest delay on the ineko.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 22:36:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h742XaB10707; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:33:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:33:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c35ac7$4c182b70$0ca44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <008f01c359f1$c2945fc0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: gig spam - baton rouge, la Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:30:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C35ACF.ABD810E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C35ACF.ABD810E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if you wanna see some rock band loopage, come on out. if you let me = know, i'll put you on the guest list. =20 info: mainframe theory (looping galore) the forms always the runner red star bar 10:00pm tuesday, august 19 baton rouge, la -jim ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C35ACF.ABD810E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
if you wanna see some rock band loopage, come on = out.  if=20 you let me know, i'll put you on the guest list. 
 
info:
 
mainframe theory (looping galore)
the forms
always the runner
 
red star bar
10:00pm
tuesday, august 19
baton rouge, la
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C35ACF.ABD810E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 3 22:57:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h742vHa13248; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:57:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:57:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c35a2b$c8735100$404dfea9@manecofl9t5bcf> From: "Maneco" To: References: Subject: pds8000 schematic Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:57:04 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, does anyone have the schematic for this delay? mine broke.. thank you From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 01:38:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h745b6Q28359; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c35a33$eae7d640$b2bbfea9@sputnik23> From: "skincage" To: Subject: 1U mixers? Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:55:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com since most of you have played live more than me, i would appreciate recommendations in the area of rack mixers, preferably 1U as my road case is 6U and i'll already have repeater and a few processors. i can always stick my power strip in the back. i'd also love to hear recommendations for instrument preamps. thanks! jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 10:11:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74E63u15692; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:06:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:06:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:06:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: ALESIS INEKO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1152116535==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1152116535==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" the alesis ineko is a fun little effects mangling tool for guitar (works great w/ drum machines and keyboard also--actually probably better, since it's a dj tool originally). at 69$ there is some useful stuff on there. i mainly use it for the effects that aren't on most gtr fx boxes: ring modulator, filter stuff, digital grainy fxs, lfo, etc. note: you can only use one effect at a time, and the matrix buttons move only in one direction, but it doesn't cost much. if i were to compare it to the korg kaoss pad (1st ver) that i recently got: i'd say the kaoss pad can do more serious mangling, but it also has a 5 sec sampler in it, and was double the cost originally. but the ineko is a great little tool to add to your arsenal if you like weird effects. if you're a gtr tube preamp tone purist who occasionally likes a little chorus or delay here and there, i'd say :stay away! s--- >Been eyeing this one too, but more for soundmangling type of >effects. Can anybody comment on its array of sound possibilities, >flexibility, ease of use? Any guitarists using it in their Repeater >FX send/return? >Nic > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:19 AM >Subject: ALESIS INEKO > >there was some talk about this unit a bit ago.....MUSICIAN'S FRIEND has it >for $69.99.....$199.>$99.99>$69.99.....very tempting for a small kit reverb >unit.....michael -- --============_-1152116535==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: ALESIS INEKO
the alesis ineko is a fun little effects mangling tool for guitar (works
great w/ drum machines and keyboard also--actually probably better, since
it's a dj tool originally). at 69$  there is some useful stuff on there.
i mainly use it for the effects that aren't on most gtr fx boxes:
ring modulator, filter stuff, digital grainy fxs, lfo,  etc.
note: you can only use one effect at a time, and the matrix buttons move only in one direction, but it doesn't cost much.
if i were to compare it to the korg kaoss pad (1st ver) that i recently got:
i'd say the kaoss pad can do more serious mangling, but it also has a 5 sec
sampler in it, and was double the cost originally.
but the ineko is a great little tool to add to your arsenal if you like weird
effects.
if you're a gtr tube preamp tone purist who occasionally likes a little chorus
or delay here and there, i'd say :stay away!
s---




Been eyeing this one too, but more for soundmangling type of effects. Can anybody comment on its array of sound possibilities, flexibility, ease of use? Any guitarists using it in their Repeater FX send/return?
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:19 AM
Subject: ALESIS INEKO

there was some talk about this unit a bit ago.....MUSICIAN'S FRIEND has it
for $69.99.....$199.>$99.99>$69.99.....very tempting for a small kit reverb
unit.....michael


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--============_-1152116535==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 10:34:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74EVJ318649; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:31:16 -0700 Subject: Re: ALESIS INEKO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4E338788-C688-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h74EVIW18619 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The vocalist I work with was looking for a cool little effects box and I almost recommended this... but then I realized it's line level only. Makes sense for a DJ, but the cool thing about the KAOSS pad is that it's got line and mic inputs (as well as phonograph in). She could hook it up into the effects loop of her little Behringer mixer, but she's kind of a newbie to electronics so I'm guessing the simpler the better. If anyone knows has a lead on a cheap KAOSS pad let me know. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 07:06 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > the alesis ineko is a fun little effects mangling tool for guitar > (works > great w/ drum machines and keyboard also--actually probably better, > since > it's a dj tool originally). at 69$  there is some useful stuff on > there. > i mainly use it for the effects that aren't on most gtr fx boxes: > ring modulator, filter stuff, digital grainy fxs, lfo,  etc. > note: you can only use one effect at a time, and the matrix buttons > move only in one direction, but it doesn't cost much. > if i were to compare it to the korg kaoss pad (1st ver) that i > recently got: > i'd say the kaoss pad can do more serious mangling, but it also has a > 5 sec > sampler in it, and was double the cost originally. > but the ineko is a great little tool to add to your arsenal if you > like weird > effects. > if you're a gtr tube preamp tone purist who occasionally likes a > little chorus > or delay here and there, i'd say :stay away! > s--- > > > > > Been eyeing this one too, but more for soundmangling type of effects. > Can anybody comment on its array of sound possibilities, flexibility, > ease of use? Any guitarists using it in their Repeater FX send/return? > > Nic > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:19 AM > > Subject: ALESIS INEKO > > > > there was some talk about this unit a bit ago.....MUSICIAN'S FRIEND > has it > > for $69.99.....$199.>$99.99>$69.99.....very tempting for a small kit > reverb > > unit.....michael > > > > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 10:49:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74EiAq20869; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:44:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:44:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <047301c35a96$e07f28d0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:44:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Loopingers Well the time has (finally) come for me to head off stateside with Different Drums of Ireland - we leave on Thursday AM but I've so much to do between now and then that I'll not have much time to be online. Kids are being dispatched today - YAY :) If anybody is around for any of the gigs listed below, let me know and I'll see if I can organise tix etc Different Drums of Ireland material is a mixture of full-fat, high-caffeine celtic and selected traditional / folk songs from N Ireland. I am bringing my DL-4 as we had talked about trying some live looping of the instruments (Split feed from the mics on the uilleann pipe/whistle, bodhran and main vox to a wee folio desk) but we haven't had a chance to rehearse that. I'll bring the pedal just in case we get a soundcheck with a decent amount of free time afterward to check it out. The band website is at http://www.differentdrums.co.uk . The dates are: Al Ringling theatre Baraboo WI (9th), Studio hall Oshkosh WI (10th), Lake Superior, Big Top Chautauqua, WI,(13th) and Calumet theatre, Calumet MI (15th) These are followed by 5 days at Boulder Junction in contract and creative discussion regarding a substantial 2005 project. I'd love to see any of you at a gig and the chance of a beer or a coffee afterwards or before is always a distinct possibility. If you can give me a bit of notice I'll see if I can organise tickets etc if there aren't hundreds of ya LOL. I'll be able to receive mail intermittently on the road but its best if you use touring(at)powerhaus.net so I can sort that from the spam. I was out on the town on Friday with some of the guys from the Afro Celt Sound System who have just returned from the US so they've me all fired up, Thursday can't come quickly enough, LOL Regards all and hope to see some of you this weekend and at the gigs after. Keep her lit!! Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 11:25:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74FN7b26266; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:23:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:23:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-19.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1060010011!512578 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB395@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [OT] Noise interference problem Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:10:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35A9A.95350850" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35A9A.95350850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" erm.... in the neighbourhood of 55bpm..... >the click appears only when I plug a guitar (volume turned up)< another thought: you don't happen to wear a swatch or similar, do you? on y'r plucking wrist? d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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erm.... in the neighbourhood of 55bpm.....
>the click appears only when I plug
a guitar (volume turned up)<

another thought: you don't happen to wear a swatch or similar, do you? on y'r plucking wrist?

d.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35A9A.95350850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 12:44:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74Gfbv06431; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:41:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:41:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F2E8CCA.2040608@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:41:46 -0400 From: Dick Michaels User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pds8000 schematic References: <000501c35a2b$c8735100$404dfea9@manecofl9t5bcf> In-Reply-To: <000501c35a2b$c8735100$404dfea9@manecofl9t5bcf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 15d7f0cd6eb2d81b74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688b08529f705df9d52aafd8ceacb4cac09350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't have that manual, sorry Dick Michaels rogue Music NYC Maneco wrote: >Hi, >does anyone have the schematic for this delay? >mine broke.. >thank you > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 12:47:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74GiY906980; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F2E905C.864AC85C@erols.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:57:00 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <047301c35a96$e07f28d0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <03NVWC.A.6sB.x1oL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Marshall wrote: > Hey Loopingers > > Well the time has (finally) come for me to head off stateside with Different > Drums of Ireland - we leave on Thursday AM but I've so much to do between > now and then that I'll not have much time to be online. Kids are being > dispatched today - YAY :) > > If anybody is around for any of the gigs listed below, let me know and I'll > see if I can organise tix etc > > Different Drums of Ireland material is a mixture of full-fat, high-caffeine > celtic and selected traditional / folk songs from N Ireland. I am bringing > my DL-4 as we had talked about trying some live looping of the instruments > (Split feed from the mics on the uilleann pipe/whistle, bodhran and main vox > to a wee folio desk) but we haven't had a chance to rehearse that. I'll > bring the pedal just in case we get a soundcheck with a decent amount of > free time afterward to check it out. > > The band website is at http://www.differentdrums.co.uk . > > The dates are: > Al Ringling theatre Baraboo WI (9th), > Studio hall Oshkosh WI (10th), > Lake Superior, Big Top Chautauqua, WI,(13th) and > Calumet theatre, Calumet MI (15th) > > These are followed by 5 days at Boulder Junction in contract and creative > discussion regarding a substantial 2005 project. > > I'd love to see any of you at a gig and the chance of a beer or a coffee > afterwards or > before is always a distinct possibility. If you can give me a bit of notice > I'll see if I can organise tickets etc if there aren't hundreds of ya LOL. > I'll be able to receive mail intermittently on the road but its best if you > use touring(at)powerhaus.net so I can sort that from the spam. > > I was out on the town on Friday with some of the guys from the Afro Celt > Sound System who have just returned from the US so they've me all fired up, > Thursday can't come quickly enough, LOL > > Regards all and hope to see some of you this weekend and at the gigs after. > > Keep her lit!! > > Paul > ---------------------- > Paul Marshall > Portfolio Sound Artist > http://www.powerhaus.net > http://www.drumdojo.com > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > www.dacapo.co.uk > Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 > Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg Good Luck Paul, I'm in New Jersey. I wish I could catch your show but Wisconsin is quite a ride. If you ever tour again in the US, I might be able to help you with booking a gig in New Jersey. Best of Luck, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 13:02:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74GxkF09942; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:58:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200308041258.AA28115110@agx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Lance Allen" Reply-To: To: Subject: Roland SPD-S X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <7GNYOC.A.MbC.BEpL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking at picking up a Roland SPD-S, but I had a few questions. Since we all know Roland's web sites aren't the best I'm having a hard time getting any answers! I'm wanting to plug a midi controller keyboard into the SPD-S, and I want to know how many different sounds can I map to the keyboard? I think another way to ask this question is how many sounds can be in a patch? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Lance Allen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 15:35:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74JXUC25135; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:33:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:33:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030804193324.9373.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:33:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ALESIS INEKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4E338788-C688-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The vocalist I work with was looking for a cool > little effects box and > I almost recommended this... but then I realized > it's line level only. > ... > She could hook it up into the effects loop of her >little Behringer mixer, but > she's kind of a newbie to electronics so I'm > guessing the simpler the better. I'm in a similar situation: the vocalist for whom I've been building a rack wants to have her cake and be munching on it at the same time as far as 1) simplicity/ease of use and setup/not having to program anything AND 2) having *lots* of different sounds and functionality at her finger- and foot-tips. So, her setup has been evolving over the past few weeks. Right now her signal chain goes thusly: Shure SM-58 -> Behringer Shark feedback suppressor/compressor -> Digitech Vocalist II harmonizer -> Fostex DE-1 (used as two separate mono fx; pitchshifter into pre-looper reverb) -> Behringer KX-1200 keyboard amp -> [fx send] Bespeco volume pedal -> DOD DFX-94 for short loops -> Line 6 Echo Pro for longer loops -> Alesis MidiVerb II (for post-looper reverb) -> [fx return]. The EchoPro is controlled by a MidiBuddy, the Vocalist by an FS300. The keyboard amp (120 watts, 3-way) serves as her monitor, and has a line out so the house feed has exactly the loop/fx balance she's hearing. It also has 3 other channels (all of which have an fx send) so she can plug in and loop her tanpura, electric autoharp, field recordings, etc. if she so desires. She's rapidly getting the hang of the system and having a lot of fun. Now she's even talking about commandeering my SR-16 drum machine that I don't use and teaching herself to program it in all of the odd time signatures that she likes. But anyway, the reason I've mentioned all this in reply to your observation about the Ineko being line level is because as long as there's something at the beginning of the chain that will convert your vocalist's signal to line level, you can use a line level device. I know *you* know that, Mark. But two weeks ago, my vocalist, like yours, didn't *want* to know about any sort of complicated signal path, and now look at her go! I've created a monster! It's a beautiful thing... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 15:56:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74JsST29127; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:54:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:54:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:54:21 -0700 Subject: Re: ALESIS INEKO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 8906faf3 aee23e9e 751bbeae 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030804193324.9373.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <70BBB3D0-C6B5-11D7-AA10-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 12:33 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > But anyway, the reason I've mentioned all this in > reply to your observation about the Ineko being line > level is because as long as there's something at the > beginning of the chain that will convert your > vocalist's signal to line level, you can use a line > level device. I know *you* know that, Mark. But two > weeks ago, my vocalist, like yours, didn't *want* to > know about any sort of complicated signal path, and > now look at her go! I've created a monster! It's a > beautiful thing... That's a beautiful story Tim. Other issues I'm up against is that the women I'm playing with spends every extra cent on her Burningman camp, so there's pretty much zero left. A long time ago I did a moratorium on lending people gear to use as I always find that it ends badly. For example, lending someone a KAOSS pad that doesn't have experience with it ends in a lot of distortion and feedback. One thing people don't often understand is that anything you put in line with your instrument (whether it be voice or tuba) ends up being part of your instrument. Some one who is used to singing with a piano at a jazz bar is going to have a tough time wrangling a new piece of gear. It's great that the person you're working with is taking initiative. The person I'm working with isn't. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 16:02:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74K0fi30663; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c35ac2$c23f7600$bdf8883e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <047301c35a96$e07f28d0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:57:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good luck mate - ever on the UK mainland? Gareth > > Well the time has (finally) come for me to head off stateside with Different > Drums of Ireland - we leave on Thursday AM but I've so much to do between > now and then that I'll not have much time to be online. Kids are being > dispatched today - YAY :) > > If anybody is around for any of the gigs listed below, let me know and I'll > see if I can organise tix etc > > Different Drums of Ireland material is a mixture of full-fat, high-caffeine > celtic and selected traditional / folk songs from N Ireland. I am bringing > my DL-4 as we had talked about trying some live looping of the instruments > (Split feed from the mics on the uilleann pipe/whistle, bodhran and main vox > to a wee folio desk) but we haven't had a chance to rehearse that. I'll > bring the pedal just in case we get a soundcheck with a decent amount of > free time afterward to check it out. > > The band website is at http://www.differentdrums.co.uk . > > The dates are: > Al Ringling theatre Baraboo WI (9th), > Studio hall Oshkosh WI (10th), > Lake Superior, Big Top Chautauqua, WI,(13th) and > Calumet theatre, Calumet MI (15th) > > These are followed by 5 days at Boulder Junction in contract and creative > discussion regarding a substantial 2005 project. > > I'd love to see any of you at a gig and the chance of a beer or a coffee > afterwards or > before is always a distinct possibility. If you can give me a bit of notice > I'll see if I can organise tickets etc if there aren't hundreds of ya LOL. > I'll be able to receive mail intermittently on the road but its best if you > use touring(at)powerhaus.net so I can sort that from the spam. > > I was out on the town on Friday with some of the guys from the Afro Celt > Sound System who have just returned from the US so they've me all fired up, > Thursday can't come quickly enough, LOL > > Regards all and hope to see some of you this weekend and at the gigs after. > > Keep her lit!! > > Paul > ---------------------- > Paul Marshall > Portfolio Sound Artist > http://www.powerhaus.net > http://www.drumdojo.com > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > www.dacapo.co.uk > Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 > Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 17:12:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74L2qs09356; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:02:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:02:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030804133147.0250f3f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:04:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping up the wall... In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030801162216.014f53d8@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:39 PM 8/1/2003, Hans Lindauer wrote: >I've been slaving my EDP to MIDI sync exclusively for the past few years, >with no trouble. Jon makes a good point - are you leaving overdub open >for long periods of time? > >I don't quite remember the details regarding endless overdubs (I generally >only overdub short passages), but I do remember hearing that in Loop mode >you need to take it out of overdub periodically. Maybe in Delay mode you >don't (?) - I can't quite remember. > >You just need to punch out and then back into overdub during a silent >part, every so often. Mr. bIz sent me a private mail about this while I was out of town, and I replied without realizing he had also asked about it on the list and started this discussion. Here is what I wrote to him, for those interested: >The echoplex maintains sync by re-triggering the loop whenever it detects >that some drift has occurred. Normally this works fine. However there are >some occasions where this presents a problem, namely when overdub is left >on or when feedback is reduced. If Overdub is on and the sync comes late, >the retriggering will cause a pop to be recorded in the loop. If Overdub >is on and the sync comes early, retriggering will cause the last pass of >overdubbing to be lost. Since both of these possibilities are >unacceptable, the echoplex will instead "free run" while overdub or >feedback are left on. When Overdub is turned off again, it will be again >able to truly sync and retrigger to account for any drifting from the >clock source. > >If you leave Overdub on indefinitely and your clock drifts, then you will >obviously have a problem with the loop getting out of sync. If you simply >turn overdub off once in a while the sync will be maintained. > >For the case of feedback being reduced, there is another thing the >Echoplex does called AutoStartPoint. This is an automatic correction that >the echoplex makes, where it detects that feedback is reduced enough that >the loop is completely changing from the old material. Then, rather than >retriggering the loop and getting a pop or something, it will actually >move the startpoint of the loop slightly to match where the external clock >has drifted. Then subsequent synching will work normally. > >This is explained in the LoopIV upgrade manual, and in the new Echoplex >Plus manual. It is under "autostartpoint" which is the first thing >explained in the synchronization chapter for the Plus, and towards the end >of the synchronization chapter in the upgrade manual. > >Note that this problem is not just an echoplex problem. This is more a >laws of time, space, and physics problem. No looper can overdub and >maintain true sync at the same time. Either they have to free run during >that time to avoid audio problems, or they have the audible problems of >pops in the loop, lost overdubs, or weird pitch or time artifacts if it is >doing time/pitch stretching. bIz also wrote: >>That makes sense. >> >>However, it means that midi synch is totally useless, and I've managed to >>waste a great deal of time over the last couple of years trying to get the >>box to work and blaming myself, my cables and everything else. which seems like quite an exaggeration to me. It is totally useable, and as many people have pointed out, they are using it just fine. You just need to understand better how it works, so you have an idea of the limitations and how to deal with them. All you need to do is let the loop pass once in a while without any changes being made to it, which most people would normally do anyway. Once you see it does the sync correction, you can go back to overdubbing or feedback or whatever. If you are changing it so constantly that you can never do this, then chances are precise sync will not be such an issue anyway because whatever drifted out of sync would be completely gone or buried within a few repetitions and replaced with whatever new material you are playing. (Presumably you play the new material in rhythm.) This is also related to the "AutoStartPoint" feature of LoopIV mentioned above, which helps correct the startpoint in such situations. It will also help you a lot to understand what the Echoplex is telling you on the front panel. For example, whenever it does a sync correction, it flashes the sync correction LED. This is the second decimal point from the right in the display. (It is subtle by design, because it isn't something most people need to have rudely blinking at them all the time.) Normally you will see this flash once in a while when the clock has drifted a little, but if you don't you know to suspect something is going wrong. Similarly, the leftmost LED indicates when the echoplex does its "AutoUndo" function. This will flash each time a loop passes without any changes being made, and indicates that the echoplex has done a little house-keeping operation called "autoundo" that prevents memory from being wasted or unnecessary Undo presses being required later. If this is never flashing, then changes are happening in the loop every time, which also means that sync corrections can't be made. this is all in the LoopIV upgrade and EDP plus manuals too, btw.... hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 18:14:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74MCe120633; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:12:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <35.3ba8acc6.2c60344e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:12:30 EDT Subject: Re: http://www.differentdrums.co.uk . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_35.3ba8acc6.2c60344e_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_35.3ba8acc6.2c60344e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/4/03 10:44:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paul@powerhaus.net writes: > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk . > paul.....got a "bad request" with this address.....i would really like to see your full ture dates list.....sounds like great fun.....michael --part1_35.3ba8acc6.2c60344e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/4/03= 10:44:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paul@powerhaus.net writes:


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paul.....got a "bad request" with this address.....i would really like to se= e your full ture dates list.....sounds like great fun.....michael --part1_35.3ba8acc6.2c60344e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 19:29:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74NRMV30412; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:27:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:27:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.3c008839.2c6045d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:27:20 EDT Subject: Recent Listenings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h74NRMW30390 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just fer the heck o' it, here's what's been spinning on my CD player (and in my brain) the past coupla days. "Discord" by Ryuichi Sakamoto (featuring dt - aka SPLaTTeRCeLL) "Zero Gravity" Laika & the Cosmonauts (surf music from Finland) "Happy Ocean" by Pers Boysen (our own LD Swedish looper) "Undisonus" and "Ineo" 2 orchestral pieces by Terje Rypdal 'Day of the Robot" by Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy really is) "Live at the Aquarium - London Zoo 21 May 1992" by Michael Brook What sortta interesting stuff are you folks listening to of late? Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 19:48:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74NjEt00681; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <128.2f2a5f0a.2c6049fd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:45:01 EDT Subject: Re: Recent Listenings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/4/03 11:27:43 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: << What sortta interesting stuff are you folks listening to of late? >> A couple recent additions to the CD changer: Nguyen Le = "Purple" Pharoe Sanders = "With a Heartbeat" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 19:54:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74Nr7K02139; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:53:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Recent Listenings Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:52:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c35ae3$87fc22b0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <7e.3c008839.2c6045d8@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anybody here listened to a band called I'M NOT A GUN - It's 2 guys, John Tejada and Takeshi Nishimoto doing some really great stuff with some kind of looping in it I suspect from a album called "Everything at Once". I heard a few tracks this morning on KXLU in Los Angeles and it was just excellent. More Info: http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/im.not.a.gun.html But in my player right now: The Mars Volta - Deloused In The Comatorium Songs: Ohia - Mi Sei Apparso Come un Fantasma Songs: Ohia / My Morning Jacket - Jade Tree Split Series Kid Dakota - So Pretty Scarnella - Scarnella Nels Cline - Interstellar Space Revisited John Coltrane - Interstellar Space (harder to get through than the cline version IMHO but I wanted to hear how close Cline and Bendian got) -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Recent Listenings Hi all, Just fer the heck o' it, here's what's been spinning on my CD player (and in my brain) the past coupla days. "Discord" by Ryuichi Sakamoto (featuring dt - aka SPLaTTeRCeLL) "Zero Gravity" Laika & the Cosmonauts (surf music from Finland) "Happy Ocean" by Pers Boysen (our own LD Swedish looper) "Undisonus" and "Ineo" 2 orchestral pieces by Terje Rypdal 'Day of the Robot" by Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy really is) "Live at the Aquarium - London Zoo 21 May 1992" by Michael Brook What sortta interesting stuff are you folks listening to of late? Best, tEd R kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 19:56:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h74NsfG02498; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:54:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:54:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Recent Listenings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 352329ab aee23e9e 751bbeae 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7e.3c008839.2c6045d8@aol.com> Message-Id: <006A563E-C6D7-11D7-AA10-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h74NsfW02472 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm game: The Only Blip Hop Album You Will Ever Need, Vol 1 (Various) Eclipse: A Journey of Permanence and Impermanence (various) Ambient Systems, Vol 2 (Instinct Records) (Various) Ambient Boxed: A guide by Instinct (Various) Duniya (Loop Guru) Hail To The Theif (Radiohead) Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 04:27 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Just fer the heck o' it, here's what's been spinning on my CD player > (and in my brain) the past coupla days. > > "Discord" by Ryuichi Sakamoto (featuring dt - aka SPLaTTeRCeLL) > "Zero Gravity" Laika & the Cosmonauts (surf music from Finland) > "Happy Ocean" by Pers Boysen (our own LD Swedish looper) > "Undisonus" and "Ineo" 2 orchestral pieces by Terje Rypdal > 'Day of the Robot" by Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy really > is) > "Live at the Aquarium - London Zoo 21 May 1992" by Michael Brook > > What sortta interesting stuff are you folks listening to of late? > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 20:49:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h750lNb07700; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:47:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:47:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030805004717.36686.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Different Drums of Ireland To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <047301c35a96$e07f28d0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Marshall wrote: > Well the time has (finally) come for me to head off > stateside with Different Drums of Ireland (etc)> Hi Paul, Wow, talk about a small world: right after I posted a description of Elizabeth’s looping rig, she came home and I mentioned to her that I’d bookmarked the link to your site so she could check it out. I was downloading the video clips as I described Different Drums to her, and how I wished your US gigs weren’t limited to Wisconsin this time around. Before I’d finished, she told *me* the story about "The Drum Formerly Known As Prince" (which I had not yet read at ), and then over dinner told me of the political significance of having bodhran and lambeg sharing a stage; it turns out that she joined you at a seisiun at Molly Malone’s in Portsmouth, NH a couple of years ago, the day after your Portsmouth Music Hall performance! (She was the vocalist in Awen at the time, and is a friend of the Angel Band... She says you might remember her from the seisiun as the one who sang 'Foggy Dew' "not as a ballad".) Best of luck with the tour! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 21:59:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h751vIV14579; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:57:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:57:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: Cc: , "Matthias Grob" References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030804133147.0250f3f0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: looping up the wall... Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:57:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 01:57:12.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2D44CB0:01C35AF4] Resent-Message-ID: <3_dc3D.A.qjD.-7wL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Mr. bIz sent me a private mail about this while I was out of town, and I > replied without realizing he had also asked about it on the list and > started this discussion. Here is what I wrote to him, for those interested: > First, I'd like to apologize for my little episode. Watching those close to me deal with the realities of the current economy and the San Francisco housing market came to a head last week. To forget about it, I tried plugging in my rig and tuning out for the night but instead of losing myself in electronic bliss, I kept losing my synch in echoplectic fits, so I spent the night scratching my head, fiddling with cables and knobs and cursing loudly. With thoughtfulness, logic and not much sleep, I reacted by attacking the obvious root of the all my problems - the echoplex, the looper's delight list, Kim and Mathias, my desk, my computer, my waste paper basket and anything else with reach/field of vision at the time. Secondly, having kicked the proverbial cat, I would like to take this moment to nominate myself for the Crankiest LD Member Award. I have transfered the contents of my paypal account to the LD fund as submission fee (no, there wasn't much in it). > > > >Note that this problem is not just an echoplex problem. This is more a > >laws of time, space, and physics problem. > So if it's not an echoplex problem, that means you can fix it for the next release, right? :> Joking aside, I think there are two points for discussion to bring up. First off is the optimum positioning of an echoplex in a midi-synched environment. It seems to me, that for maximum stability and versatility, it needs to be master clock. Good. Now how does this work with sequencers, and other gear? Especially on stage... Is anyone sending the EDP clock setting from a sequencer, and then having the EDP send out the midi clock? How well is this working for you? Anything we should know about? I'm going to try setting this up this weekend myself. Secondly, and more variably is - how much time do you all spend fiddling with your gear, versus actually making music? Too much time? Too little time? Is gear getting in the way of creativity? Strangely, I don't find my computer doing that at all, but the outboard gear is just a time sink and a half - all those cables and plugs, and presets... >Once you see it does the sync correction, you can go > back to overdubbing or feedback or whatever. If you are changing it so > constantly that you can never do this, then chances are precise sync will > not be such an issue anyway because whatever drifted out of sync would be > completely gone or buried within a few repetitions and replaced with > whatever new material you are playing. This isn't happening - perhaps I am losing synch too fast with feedback too high - it only takes 3 or four repetitions of a 10 or so second loop before the 'jump' takes place, The confusing part is that the synch lights start flashing 'off' the bar start, even if you stop the sequencer, clear the echoplex memory and start over. I need to program that Autostart point to a pedal somewhere... Again, sorry for making an ass out of myself, bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 22:12:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h752AsW15973; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:10:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:10:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: Subject: Musical feedback loops, of a fashion... Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:10:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 02:10:47.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8CA1F50:01C35AF6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Researchers from Imperial College London and Charing Cross Hospital have discovered a way to help musicians improve their musical performances by an average of up to 17 per cent, equivalent to an improvement of one grade or class of honours." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/07/030725080135.htm bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 23:19:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h753GRB22559; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:16:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:16:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:16:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- Just got this X-Series delay pedal from Zzounds (purchased thru the LD portal, natch) and find it to be great fun and probably musically useful (the IRS appreciates that part). 4 seconds of looping delay, a wonderful reverse effect, battery powered and only $100! Thumbs up to DigiTech on this one! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 23:33:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h753X7j24513; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:33:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:33:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <006A563E-C6D7-11D7-AA10-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Recent Listenings Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:32:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 03:33:00.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[4524AEC0:01C35B02] Resent-Message-ID: <4CXcmC.A.4-F.yVyL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The random sig lines at the bottom of my message are being generated by Kookiejar - freeware from this address: http://www.tranglos.com/free/index.html I bring this up, because one of it's cooler features is the ability to read the CDDB title of the cd in your drive, and add it to your sig. Unfortunately, it won't do this with mp3s, though this would be easy for the author to implement with winamp. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Recent Listenings > I'm game: > > The Only Blip Hop Album You Will Ever Need, Vol 1 (Various) > Eclipse: A Journey of Permanence and Impermanence (various) > Ambient Systems, Vol 2 (Instinct Records) (Various) > Ambient Boxed: A guide by Instinct (Various) > Duniya (Loop Guru) > Hail To The Theif (Radiohead) > > Mark Sottilaro > > > On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 04:27 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Just fer the heck o' it, here's what's been spinning on my CD player > > (and in my brain) the past coupla days. > > > > "Discord" by Ryuichi Sakamoto (featuring dt - aka SPLaTTeRCeLL) > > "Zero Gravity" Laika & the Cosmonauts (surf music from Finland) > > "Happy Ocean" by Pers Boysen (our own LD Swedish looper) > > "Undisonus" and "Ineo" 2 orchestral pieces by Terje Rypdal > > 'Day of the Robot" by Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy really > > is) > > "Live at the Aquarium - London Zoo 21 May 1992" by Michael Brook > > > > What sortta interesting stuff are you folks listening to of late? > > > > Best, > > > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 4 23:58:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h753vFU27788; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:57:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:57:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c35b9c$1a506cd0$e9a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <001401c35a33$eae7d640$b2bbfea9@sputnik23> Subject: Re: 1U mixers? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:54:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2gSnMC.A.DyG.bsyL_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mixer: rolls hexmix! preamp: alembic! -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 00:39:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h754chO31924; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:38:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:38:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F2F37BD.6F2780FA@erols.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:51:09 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent Listenings References: <7e.3c008839.2c6045d8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Just fer the heck o' it, here's what's been spinning on my CD player > (and in my brain) the past coupla days. > > "Discord" by Ryuichi Sakamoto (featuring dt - aka SPLaTTeRCeLL) > "Zero Gravity" Laika & the Cosmonauts (surf music from Finland) > "Happy Ocean" by Pers Boysen (our own LD Swedish looper) > "Undisonus" and "Ineo" 2 orchestral pieces by Terje Rypdal > 'Day of the Robot" by Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy really is) > "Live at the Aquarium - London Zoo 21 May 1992" by Michael Brook > > What sortta interesting stuff are you folks listening to of late? > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html "New Sacred Cow" by Kenna "Homogenic" by Bjork "Spiderman, Soundtrack" by Danny Elfman "Keep it Together" by Guster John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 02:29:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h756PdX10669; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:25:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:25:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: my cd From: ernesto schnack MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:25:24 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, just a little blurb about my cd, wood. Basically, it's a solo acoustic cd, and half the songs are looped. I posted a track a long time ago, maybe someone remembers. Anyways, you can read all about it here: http://www.stringboy.net/music.htm There's a review here: http://www.aural- innovations.com/issues/issue23/eschnack.html And you can listen and buy it here: http://www.ampcast.com/stringboy That is all, Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 05:14:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h759DLK23820; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 05:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 05:13:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Recent Listenings Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:13:07 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C35B42.8CC3B0B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3F2F37BD.6F2780FA@erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000006B7DDDF0E0E91147AB36B3B294E9DCF804515100 Resent-Message-ID: <-lNW1D.A.F0F.xU3L_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C35B42.8CC3B0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > 'Day of the Robot" by=20 > > Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy really is)=20 I wrote a Buckethead feature for a Scandinavian guitar magazine and = almost turned the Internet inside out to find out who he is but I had to give = it up. However I found private "gig reviews" written long ago by people = telling about this guitar player being amazingly good (and loud). 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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:03:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35B51.ED163500" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B51.ED163500 Content-Type: text/plain Yeah I have one of these for my rig: http://www.makoviney.com/link.asp?linkID=198 I personally LOVE it. Probably one of the sweetest sounding tape delays from a digital box I have ever heard. The reverse delays are very rich sounding too. I would have loved a longer loop time, but I guess that is what my Boomerang is for ;) By the way, my new fav pedal from the new Digitech X-Series is hands down the Synth-Wah Thanks, DM -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:16 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Hi all-- Just got this X-Series delay pedal from Zzounds (purchased thru the LD portal, natch) and find it to be great fun and probably musically useful (the IRS appreciates that part). 4 seconds of looping delay, a wonderful reverse effect, battery powered and only $100! Thumbs up to DigiTech on this one! Gary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B51.ED163500 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool!

Yeah I have one of these for my rig:
http://www.makoviney.com/link.asp?linkID=3D198

I personally LOVE it. Probably one of the sweetest = sounding tape delays from a digital box I have ever heard.

The reverse delays are very rich sounding too. =

I would have loved a longer loop time, but I guess = that is what my Boomerang is for ;)

By the way, my new fav pedal from the new Digitech = X-Series is hands down the Synth-Wah

Thanks,

DM

-----Original Message-----
From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earth= link.net]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:16 PM
To: Looper's Delight
Subject: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool!


Hi all--
Just got this X-Series delay pedal from Zzounds = (purchased thru the LD portal, natch) and find it to be great fun and = probably musically useful (the IRS appreciates that part).  4 = seconds of looping delay, a wonderful reverse effect, battery powered = and only $100!  Thumbs up to DigiTech on this one! Gary

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B51.ED163500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 09:38:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75DbPl10905; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:37:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:31:14 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! To: Relay , "Looper's Delight" Message-id: <002e01c35b56$b235ef20$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary wrote: > Just got this X-Series delay pedal from Zzounds (purchased thru the LD > portal, natch) and find it to be great fun and probably musically useful > (the IRS appreciates that part). 4 seconds of looping delay, a wonderful > reverse effect, battery powered and only $100! Thumbs up to DigiTech on > this one! Gary, can you describe the reverse effect a bit? I've been bummed that the budget-level Boss pedals all have this reverse-plus-forward mix, and I'm looking for one that responds like the older Boss pedal (referred to as the Adrian Belew pedal by some). If I remember correctly (and this could have been some dream fragment...) it actually stored your sound and spit it back, backwards, when triggered by your next sound. Your description of the DigiTech reverse function - and any other details of this pedal (like its sound-mangling qualities when you crank a knob while playing, fer'instance) - will surely be appreciated by all of us loopers on a budget. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 10:13:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75EB7m13990; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:11:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:11:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:11:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35B5B.673F5060" Resent-Message-ID: <_CMi-D.A.caD.6r7L_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B5B.673F5060 Content-Type: text/plain My rig isn't here at the moment, so I can't speak on the reverse delay. But I can speak regarding the sound mangling when cranking knobs. It does the usual bending kinda sound when you turn, and fast turns back and forth will yield a pretty cool warble with occasional chirps - almost like squeaking sneakers on a basketball court, but down a couple of octaves (if that makes sense. . .it does in my head anyways). Also, the 4 second loop is stackable. But again it's only 4 seconds. (Using Digitech's Audio DNA chips, so it's a 24 bit looper) You can read some more reviews of the pedal at Harmony Central: http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/X_Series_Digital_Delay- 01.html Also GuitarGeek.Com: http://guitargeek.com/reviews/digitech_xdd_digidelay.php Thanks, Don Makoviney -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:31 AM To: Relay; Looper's Delight Subject: Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Gary wrote: > Just got this X-Series delay pedal from Zzounds (purchased thru the LD > portal, natch) and find it to be great fun and probably musically > useful (the IRS appreciates that part). 4 seconds of looping delay, a > wonderful reverse effect, battery powered and only $100! Thumbs up to > DigiTech on this one! Gary, can you describe the reverse effect a bit? I've been bummed that the budget-level Boss pedals all have this reverse-plus-forward mix, and I'm looking for one that responds like the older Boss pedal (referred to as the Adrian Belew pedal by some). If I remember correctly (and this could have been some dream fragment...) it actually stored your sound and spit it back, backwards, when triggered by your next sound. Your description of the DigiTech reverse function - and any other details of this pedal (like its sound-mangling qualities when you crank a knob while playing, fer'instance) - will surely be appreciated by all of us loopers on a budget. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B5B.673F5060 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool!

My rig isn't here at the moment, so I can't speak on = the reverse delay. But I can speak regarding the sound mangling when = cranking knobs.

It does the usual bending kinda sound when you turn, = and fast turns back and forth will yield a pretty cool warble with = occasional chirps - almost like squeaking sneakers on a basketball = court, but down a couple of octaves (if that makes sense. . .it does in = my head anyways).

Also, the 4 second loop is stackable. But again it's = only 4 seconds. (Using Digitech's Audio DNA chips, so it's a 24 bit = looper)


You can read some more reviews of the pedal at = Harmony Central:
http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/X= _Series_Digital_Delay-01.html

Also GuitarGeek.Com:
http://guitargeek.com/reviews/digitech_xdd_digidelay.p= hp

Thanks,

Don Makoviney

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net= ]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:31 AM
To: Relay; Looper's Delight
Subject: Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool!


Gary wrote:
> Just got this X-Series delay pedal from Zzounds = (purchased thru the LD
> portal, natch) and find it to be great fun and = probably musically
> useful (the IRS appreciates that part).  4 = seconds of looping delay, a
> wonderful reverse effect, battery powered and = only $100!  Thumbs up to
> DigiTech on this one!

Gary, can you describe the reverse effect a bit? I've = been bummed that the budget-level Boss pedals all have this = reverse-plus-forward mix, and I'm looking for one that responds like = the older Boss pedal (referred to as the Adrian Belew pedal by some). = If I remember correctly (and this could have been some dream = fragment...) it actually stored your sound and spit it back, backwards, = when triggered by your next sound. Your description of the DigiTech = reverse function - and any other details of this pedal (like its = sound-mangling qualities when you crank a knob while = playing,

fer'instance) - will surely be appreciated by all of = us loopers on a budget. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large = coyotelk@optonline.net

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B5B.673F5060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 10:53:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75EpOP18025; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:51:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:51:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:51:18 -0700 Subject: Digitech 2120's Looper (was Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool!) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <455F47C2-C754-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h75EpNW18001 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had upgraded my 2112 to a 2120 a while ago, but never played with its Looper function much. Seemed kind of lame. There was no documentation what so ever about it. Well, I spent a little time with it a few days ago and it is *great*. Worthy of a page on the LD site. 10 sec of mono looper with all sorts of cool effects like the ability to pitch shift your loop in real time via the pedal. Controllable feedback. Yes that's right, you can control the feedback of the loop while your using it. I was pretty blown away by how good the looper is implemented, yet how bad it seems to be implemented in other Digitech products. Like the Loopstation or DD-20. Mostly I get pissed because they seem to think feedback should be 100% on a looper. Anyway, I'm going to play with it some more and perhaps give a detailed list of its features. I can't believe I missed this gem of a looper right under my nose. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:11 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: > My rig isn't here at the moment, so I can't speak on the reverse > delay. But I can speak regarding the sound mangling when cranking > knobs. > > It does the usual bending kinda sound when you turn, and fast turns > back and forth will yield a pretty cool warble with occasional chirps > - almost like squeaking sneakers on a basketball court, but down a > couple of octaves (if that makes sense. . .it does in my head > anyways). > > Also, the 4 second loop is stackable. But again it's only 4 seconds. > (Using Digitech's Audio DNA chips, so it's a 24 bit looper) > > > You can read some more reviews of the pedal at Harmony Central: > http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/ > X_Series_Digital_Delay-01.html > > Also GuitarGeek.Com: > http://guitargeek.com/reviews/digitech_xdd_digidelay.php > > Thanks, > > Don Makoviney > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:31 AM > To: Relay; Looper's Delight > Subject: Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! > > > Gary wrote: > > Just got this X-Series delay pedal from Zzounds (purchased thru the > LD > > portal, natch) and find it to be great fun and probably musically > > useful (the IRS appreciates that part).  4 seconds of looping delay, > a > > wonderful reverse effect, battery powered and only $100!  Thumbs up > to > > DigiTech on this one! > > Gary, can you describe the reverse effect a bit? I've been bummed that > the budget-level Boss pedals all have this reverse-plus-forward mix, > and I'm looking for one that responds like the older Boss pedal > (referred to as the Adrian Belew pedal by some). If I remember > correctly (and this could have been some dream fragment...) it > actually stored your sound and spit it back, backwards, when triggered > by your next sound. Your description of the DigiTech reverse function > - and any other details of this pedal (like its sound-mangling > qualities when you crank a knob while playing, > > fer'instance) - will surely be appreciated by all of us loopers on a > budget. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 10:59:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75Eug718797; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:56:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:58:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Recent Listenings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7e.3c008839.2c6045d8@aol.com> Message-Id: <44953148-C755-11D7-9389-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 04:27 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > What sortta interesting stuff are you folks listening to of late? > Blemish - David Sylvian Walk of the Giant Turtle - Erik Truffaz Revisite - Erik Truffaz Thanks to whoever recommended Erik Truffaz to the list. joe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 11:05:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75F3ts19803; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:03:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c3597a$bb8bf660$0affff0a@hppav> References: <000d01c35970$d2dbb850$7f613d44@soulfruit> <000501c3597a$bb8bf660$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:49:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Evolver Analog Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:50 AM -0400 8/3/03, David wrote: >Has anyone tried the Evolver Analog Synth?? Yes. Check out my review at audioMIDI.com: http://www.audiomidi.com/aboutus/reviews/zvonar_evolver.cfm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 11:07:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75F3xe19848; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:03:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:03:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030731210622.65645.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030731210622.65645.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:54:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:06 PM -0700 7/31/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >I hope to be one of the first to play a gig with a mobile phone. ;) Well, I used my phone as a guitar slide and then had my friend call me up and pretend to be a telemarketer to end the set. ;-) -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 11:18:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75FEk921825; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:14:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:14:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAEF9@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:14:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35B64.498B77C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B64.498B77C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > can you describe the reverse effect a bit? I've been bummed that the > budget-level Boss pedals all have this reverse-plus-forward mix, and > I'm looking for one that responds like the older Boss pedal the digitech has the reverse-plus-forward mixed. m.c. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B64.498B77C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool!
> can you describe the reverse effect a bit? I've been bummed that the  
> budget-level Boss pedals all have this reverse-plus-forward mix, and  
>  I'm looking for one that responds like the older Boss pedal  
 
the digitech has the reverse-plus-forward mixed.  
 
m.c.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B64.498B77C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 11:42:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75Fctm25879; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:38:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: sysmonitor.westhost.net: webmail set sender to kevin@minds-eye.org using -f Message-ID: <1060097929.3f2fcf8923e31@www.webmail.westhost.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:38:49 -0500 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech 2120's Looper (was Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 137.150.22.186 Resent-Message-ID: <5RAjQ.A.MUG.P-8L_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > I had upgraded my 2112 to a 2120 a while ago, but never played with its > Looper function much. Seemed kind of lame. There was no documentation > what so ever about it. Well, I spent a little time with it a few days > ago and it is *great*. Worthy of a page on the LD site. 10 sec of > mono looper with all sorts of cool effects like the ability to pitch > shift your loop in real time via the pedal. Controllable feedback. > Yes that's right, you can control the feedback of the loop while your > using it. I was pretty blown away by how good the looper is > implemented, yet how bad it seems to be implemented in other Digitech > products. Like the Loopstation or DD-20. Mostly I get pissed because > they seem to think feedback should be 100% on a looper. Plus, you can have two 10 second loops going, one in the left channel and one in the right (or two in series if you like). It is indeed a very nice looping device. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 12:46:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75GgmL00681; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <056401c35b70$9d001940$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: "Tim Nelson" , References: <20030805004717.36686.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Different Drums of Ireland Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:42:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul, Hi Tim & Elizabeth Wow, talk about a small world: Try cabling it!! LOL right after I posted a description of Elizabeths looping rig, she came home and I mentioned to her that Id bookmarked the link to your site so she could check it out. I was downloading the video clips as I described Different Drums to her, and how I wished your US gigs werent limited to Wisconsin this time around. It's unfortunate but the band only seems to work in this 'small' area at this point (bigger than all of Ireland I'm sure :), we have actually been talking for the first time about making contact with festivals ourselves and fancy some west coast in the winter and East coast in the fall. We have contacts in Texas too who want us to work there too but we need a few decent gigs in a short space or a presidential invitation to make it financially viable :) Before Id finished, she told *me* the story about "The Drum Formerly Known As Prince" (which I had not yet read at ), Actually the drum is still known as 'Prince' we have it on tour with us, actually we have the two princes (who adore you ...) on tour as well as a greyhound drum. To elucidate, Prince was Stephen's German Shepherd dog who passed away peacefully in his old age and was then professionally separated from his skin which was then used on a bodhran, (an Eamon Maguire) the second bit of Prince's skin is now on a Albert Alfonso drum, (it's alright but nothing like an O'Kane or a Maguire). Dog has been used for years as a bodhran skin, greyhound normally, it's very oily and gives a great low warm fundamental. and then over dinner told me of the political significance of having bodhran and lambeg sharing a stage; Yes that is what makes us unique, we have a foot in both camps in N Ireland (thereby exposing our tender 'underbelly' but we'll not go there), the band is 50/50 Catholic/Protestant and there is more co-incident strangeness as the Catholic members of the band have British passports and the Protestant members have Irish passports - talk about bucking the stereotype! The bodhran is associated in contemporary terms with the Nationalist/Catholic tradition and the lambeg is associated with the Unionist/Protestant tradition, even the skins are different, although both use goat most commonly, the lambeg skin is much thinner. The irony is that both drums have a history of being used by both traditions. The 'cultural' divisions are longstanding and stem from the indigenous and 'settled' populations, it goes waaay back beyond the 30 years that is touted as the 'troubles' maybe 800 or more years although the drums are more recent, the Lambeg from about 1680 (descendant of the military field drum) and the bodhran being an indigenous drum (made from a seed sifter) fused with the frame drum which has its origins in Persia. Its playing style is unique. I have articles on both on www.drumdojo.com type lambeg or bodhran into the search engine if you're interested it turns out that she joined you at a seisiun at Molly Malones in Portsmouth, NH a couple of years ago, the day after your Portsmouth Music Hall performance! (She was the vocalist in Awen at the time, and is a friend of the Angel Band... She says you might remember her from the seisiun as the one who sang 'Foggy Dew' "not as a ballad".) Unfortunately Tim, I'm only with the band full-time since last September although I was drafted in for specific events / deputising in previous years, so I will not have met Elizabeth. Seushuns are mighty craic, we're hoping to get a few started when we're away, I'll play all night if the Guinness keeps coming LOL. I'll pass on Elizabeth's wishes to the band. If Elizabeth remembers the members, I replaced both Kevin & Ruarai (Rory), Ruarai's parts are now played on my double bass drum pedals and HTS 'Snodhran' whilst Kevin manifests on my trusty Spiritdrums djembe. It took a bit of working out but we got there and I'm just getting to the point where I can start to let rip a bit, Mamady Keita meets the Chieftans LOL Best of luck with the tour! Very kind of you Tim and everyone else who took the time to put finger to keyboard to comment or wish luck. My offer of tickets and a beer-opportunity still stands if anyone can make it, I'd love to see y'all stateside :) Regards to Elizabeth, I hope we get to meet up. See y'all in a couple of weeks -t- Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 12:55:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75GqT602477; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:52:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:52:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008f01c3548b$be9307c0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <008f01c3548b$be9307c0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:52:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: nyc:open loop report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: >I stopped in at Chama yesterday to drop off fliers >for my show there on 8/7 and ended up hanging >out for the evening well beyond the ending of the >weekly loop fest, aka open loop. > >There were some amazing textures drifting past, >I really enjoyed myself. Everyone plugged into >the board and MC Tom Ritchford mixed the results. > >Nobody ever reports to this list about >open loop. It's been happening weekly for a year and a half, >but I never hear anything about it from Looper's Delight >except for MC TR's occasional anoucements. > >It's interesting to note that since Tom (and Chama owner stv jns, who I >don't think is even on this list, but he always plays) is there pretty much >every week, they may well be the hardest working loopers in show business. Sorry for the long delay. I am very flattered by this review, only the second one we've gotten. I fear my forte is playing, not publicity, though I am looking to change that quite soon. Really, the point of this whole exercise is to give loopers a place to loop, rather than to generate publicity or sales. Having a nice long weekly gig where I can stretch out and try things I'd never dare try in a 50-minute club set is priceless to me and I think to a lot of the other regulars there. Do drop by, any or all of you, if you are in the vicinity on a Saturday afternoon! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 13:02:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75Gw8003226; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:58:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:58:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:58:00 -0700 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 09bae572 aee23e9e 751bbeae 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the Santa Cruz Loopfest, my wife called me from the audience on my cell and I held it up to my guitar pickups and fed the signal through my loops. Worked nicely. The audience was small so when people realized it was her I saw a lot of amused faces. Mark On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:54 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:06 PM -0700 7/31/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > >> I hope to be one of the first to play a gig with a mobile phone. ;) > > Well, I used my phone as a guitar slide and then had my friend call me > up and pretend to be a telemarketer to end the set. ;-) > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 13:18:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75HGaC05893; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:16:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:16:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001401c35a33$eae7d640$b2bbfea9@sputnik23> References: <001401c35a33$eae7d640$b2bbfea9@sputnik23> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:16:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: 1U mixers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:55 PM -0400 8/3/03, skincage wrote: >...i would appreciate >recommendations in the area of rack mixers, preferably 1U... If you are mixing stereo sources, the Rane SM82 is hard to beat. >i'd also love to hear recommendations for >instrument preamps. thanks! What instrument? If crunchy guitar, something like the Mesa TriAxis is really nice. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 13:44:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75HelS08871; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:40:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:40:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F2FEC21.6050009@quik.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:40:49 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent Listenings References: <44953148-C755-11D7-9389-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <44953148-C755-11D7-9389-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sheila & joe wrote: > > On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 04:27 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > >> >> What sortta interesting stuff are you folks listening to of late? >> Buddy Guy -- Blues Singer Willie Nelson & Ray Price -- Run That By Me One More Time Big Sandy and his Fly Rite Boys -- It's Time! Carla Kihlstedt -- Two Foot Yard Sleepy Time Gorilla Museum -- Grand Opening and Closing Joni Mitchell -- For the Roses Hmmm, no looping... D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 14:05:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75HxHl11893; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:59:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:59:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <32.3c566dc7.2c614a68@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:59:04 EDT Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? cell phone To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/5/03 8:04:11 AM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: << At 2:06 PM -0700 7/31/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >I hope to be one of the first to play a gig with a mobile phone. ;) Well, I used my phone as a guitar slide and then had my friend call me up and pretend to be a telemarketer to end the set. ;-) >> Here is a page for the Telesymphony: http://www.flong.com/telesymphony Old news, but there are some mp3 clips fer listening. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com. http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 14:26:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75IKx514858; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <135.2373e593.2c614f7d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:20:45 EDT Subject: another line 6 variax review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_135.2373e593.2c614f7d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_135.2373e593.2c614f7d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for those who might be interested..... Click here: Total Guitar --part1_135.2373e593.2c614f7d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for those who might be in= terested..... Click here: Total Guitar --part1_135.2373e593.2c614f7d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 15:06:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75J0El18868; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:00:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:00:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <002e01c35b56$b235ef20$1912be18@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas wrote: Gary, can you describe the (X-Series delay pedal) reverse effect a bit? I've been bummed that the budget-level Boss pedals all have this reverse-plus-forward mix I spent a bit more time with this unit again today, and am still pleased with its possibilities, but have to report that it does have its limitations -- First of all, although there are two outs, you cannot send the uneffected signal out one and the "wet" signal out da other--that would have been nice now wouldn't it-- Also, there is no feedback control of the looper--guess that means it's not a real looper--hey, that's what I've got the EDP for (where have I heard that before?) The reverse does have tap tempo, and all the knobs work on that model--feedback, volume, time . . . and the feedback knob also works as a hold in reverse mode, mebbe other models too . . . Its greatest strength so far for me is that it is BATTERY POWERED and so I plan to visit Starbucks with a Minivox, this pedal and an acoustic and see how long I can play before I am invited to leave. That will have to wait, however, as other business beckons. Ciao, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 15:08:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75J6MJ19821; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:06:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:06:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:05:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Recent Listenings From: To: looper people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well his name is brian carroll and he is from socal-i have a promo page from some guitar mag from a while ago and he said he was 20 and loved speed metal and hoped to be a super hero(!). if you google "brian carroll/buckethead" you can get some stuff. s >> 'Day of the Robot" by >>> Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy really is) > > I wrote a Buckethead feature for a Scandinavian guitar magazine and almost > turned the Internet inside out to find out who he is but I had to give it > up. However I found private "gig reviews" written long ago by people telling > about this guitar player being amazingly good (and loud). I got it as he was > using that disguise from the very first public gigs he did. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 15:09:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75J78519932; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:07:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:07:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c35b6e$9ca38c40$b2bbfea9@sputnik23> From: "skincage" To: References: <001401c35a33$eae7d640$b2bbfea9@sputnik23> Subject: Re: 1U mixers? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:28:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you are mixing stereo sources, the Rane SM82 is hard to beat. is that the one i always see in music store racks when they're demoing synths and such? it looks familiar, and i seem to remember it sounding good. i think it might be more than i need for my live rig though. basic setup would be here: contact mic, circuit-bent stuff -> mixer -> send(s) -> loopers -> mixer -> pa multiple sends would be ideal but i'd be okay with sending everthing to repeater and just having mofx in the effects loop and vortex in the insert of the mofx, with possibly some reverb or other on the tail end. i've been lugging my mackie cfx12 around and using it with decent results but i want a more portable setup. dragging 2 rack cases through brooklyn a couple of years ago wasn't my most peaceful moment. one case with enough for pretty deep looping would be great. > What instrument? If crunchy guitar, something like the Mesa TriAxis is really nice. contact microphone, mostly. i just need something to bring out quiet sounds without shooting the noise through the roof. i'd be pretty comfy with just using the circuit-bent stuff at line level, provided there's a decent trimmer. thanks! jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 15:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75JdTr24099; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <155.22514778.2c6161eb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:39:23 EDT Subject: an observation and question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have had the mackie srm 450's for a while and have never gotten around to getting speaker stands.....well let me tell ya! being able to redirect the direction of the speakers with just one finger is worth the admission price alone.....i know this is obvious but im getting older and drummer.....:).....awhile back there was a bit of talk about small rack boxes and some of ya got the little "gator" case, now these have a hole on the back in the cover that you can send most of the wires out to their various places, whats a good way to organise this so set up and brakedown is quicker.....im looking at my box now and i have 10 wires coming out the "little hole in da back", if i disconnect them all, i could pull them all back into the box or i could????? having that lid on the box really covers a lot of "sins" in fact, i have a "power strip" stashed back there to power the boxes in the box, is this OK?.....i know, that's 2 questions.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 16:24:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75KK2v29097; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:20:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:20:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:19:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35B8E.F0BA9830" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B8E.F0BA9830 Content-Type: text/plain Watch out though Gary. Those things go through batteries like bong hits at a Grateful Dead show. Seriously. . .if you plan on playing for more than 20-30 minutes bring a couple of spares. You can look thru Digitechs own forums on the X-Series and see the official response from them: http://www.digitech.com/digiforum/msglist.asp?forum=stompbox You've been warned. . . . Invest in the power supply. DM -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Douglas wrote: Gary, can you describe the (X-Series delay pedal) reverse effect a bit? I've been bummed that the budget-level Boss pedals all have this reverse-plus-forward mix I spent a bit more time with this unit again today, and am still pleased with its possibilities, but have to report that it does have its limitations -- First of all, although there are two outs, you cannot send the uneffected signal out one and the "wet" signal out da other--that would have been nice now wouldn't it-- Also, there is no feedback control of the looper--guess that means it's not a real looper--hey, that's what I've got the EDP for (where have I heard that before?) The reverse does have tap tempo, and all the knobs work on that model--feedback, volume, time . . . and the feedback knob also works as a hold in reverse mode, mebbe other models too . . . Its greatest strength so far for me is that it is BATTERY POWERED and so I plan to visit Starbucks with a Minivox, this pedal and an acoustic and see how long I can play before I am invited to leave. That will have to wait, however, as other business beckons. Ciao, Gary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B8E.F0BA9830 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool!

Watch out though Gary. Those things go through = batteries like bong hits at a Grateful Dead show.

Seriously. . .if you plan on playing for more than = 20-30 minutes bring a couple of spares.

You can look thru Digitechs own forums on the = X-Series and see the official response from them:
http://www.digitech.com/digiforum/msglist.asp?forum=3D= stompbox

You've been warned. . . . Invest in the power = supply.


DM

-----Original Message-----
From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earth= link.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:00 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool!


Douglas wrote:

Gary, can you describe the (X-Series delay pedal) = reverse effect a bit? I've been bummed that the budget-level Boss = pedals all have this reverse-plus-forward mix <snip>

I spent a bit more time with this unit again today, = and am still pleased with its possibilities, but have to report that it = does have its limitations -- First of all, although there are two outs, = you cannot send the uneffected signal out one and the "wet" = signal out da other--that would have been nice now wouldn't it-- Also, = there is no feedback control of the looper--guess that means it's not a = real looper--hey, that's what I've got the EDP for (where have I heard = that before?) The reverse does have tap tempo, and all the knobs work = on that model--feedback, volume, time . . . and the feedback knob also = works as a hold in reverse mode, mebbe other models too . . . Its = greatest strength so far for me is that it is BATTERY POWERED and so I = plan to visit Starbucks with a Minivox, this pedal and an acoustic and = see how long I can play before I am invited to leave.  That will = have to wait, however, as other business beckons. Ciao, Gary

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B8E.F0BA9830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 17:10:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75L7Aj02573; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:07:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:07:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Recent Listenings Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:07:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35B95.86FDA390" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B95.86FDA390 Content-Type: text/plain And some of his best stuff was with a side project with Les Claypool called "Colonial Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains". Lineup: Les Claypool - Bass/Vocals Buckethead - Guitar Bernie Worrell - Keyboards Brain - Drums More info: http://www.lesclaypool.com/ccbbb/ -DM -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:05 PM To: looper people Subject: Re: Recent Listenings well his name is brian carroll and he is from socal-i have a promo page from some guitar mag from a while ago and he said he was 20 and loved speed metal and hoped to be a super hero(!). if you google "brian carroll/buckethead" you can get some stuff. s >> 'Day of the Robot" by >>> Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy really is) > > I wrote a Buckethead feature for a Scandinavian guitar magazine and > almost turned the Internet inside out to find out who he is but I had > to give it up. However I found private "gig reviews" written long ago > by people telling about this guitar player being amazingly good (and > loud). I got it as he was using that disguise from the very first > public gigs he did. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B95.86FDA390 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Recent Listenings

And some of his best stuff was with a side project = with Les Claypool called "Colonial Claypool's Bucket of Bernie = Brains".

Lineup:
Les Claypool - Bass/Vocals
Buckethead - Guitar
Bernie Worrell - Keyboards
Brain - Drums

More info:
http://www.lesclaypool.com/ccbbb/

-DM

-----Original Message-----
From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.n= et]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:05 PM
To: looper people
Subject: Re: Recent Listenings


well his name is brian carroll and he is from socal-i = have a promo page from some guitar mag from a while ago and he said he = was 20 and loved speed metal and hoped to be a super hero(!). if you = google "brian carroll/buckethead" you can get some stuff. = s

>> 'Day of the Robot" by
>>> Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy = really is)
>
> I wrote a Buckethead feature for a Scandinavian = guitar magazine and
> almost turned the Internet inside out to find = out who he is but I had
> to give it up. However I found private = "gig reviews" written long ago
> by people telling about this guitar player = being amazingly good (and
> loud). I got it as he was using that disguise = from the very first
> public gigs he did.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Per Boysen
> __________________________________
> www.boysen.se
> www.looproom.com
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35B95.86FDA390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 17:49:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75LcGL05972; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:38:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:38:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5709809.1060119495160.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:38:14 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig spam [Seattle, WA]: Tiktok @ Contour, Wednesday 8/06/03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In what appears to be turning into a regular occurrence, I'll be doing some guitar playing and live looping with DJ Jamison and Martin Fischer on the bass guitar. We'll be at the Contour (807 1st Avenue) starting at 9PM, and playing for an hour or so. I believe we'll be followed by a guy doing a set of stuff using that Ableton software that the kids are so jazzed about these days. Or maybe he'll be checking his e-mail while he pipes a CD through the soundsystem. I'm hoping for the former, unless the aforementioned hypothetical CD is really kick-ass. Travis Hartnett Tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 18:42:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75McRI12199; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:38:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:38:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:40:11 -0700 Subject: Re: an observation and question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <155.22514778.2c6161eb@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com second question. I sure hope so because I have at least one power strip tucked into the bottom of my rack! joe On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 12:39 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > in fact, i have a "power strip" stashed > back there to power the boxes in the box, is this OK?.....i know, > that's 2 > questions.....michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 19:04:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75Mx6K14291; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:59:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:59:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030805225900.99730.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c35b56$b235ef20$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > looking for one that responds like the older Boss > pedal (referred to as the > Adrian Belew pedal by some). If I remember correctly > (and this could have > been some dream fragment...) it actually stored your > sound and spit it back, > backwards, when triggered by your next sound. I think you mean the RPS-10; not a pedal, but a 1/2 space rack unit. Belew swore by it. I use mine more for the pitchshifter, but the reverse echo is pretty cool indeed. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 19:17:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75NE9H15946; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:14:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030805231403.5050.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:14:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I was shopping for a reverb pedal that I could put before my loopers (using my rack 'verb after them) I settled on the X-series one after trying most of its competitors. I like it. -t- --- Don Makoviney wrote: > You can look thru Digitechs own forums on the > X-Series and see the official > response from them: > http://www.digitech.com/digiforum/msglist.asp?forum=stompbox __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 19:57:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h75Ns9h21588; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:59:20 -0500 Subject: Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030805225900.99730.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 05:59 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > I think you mean the RPS-10; not a pedal, but a 1/2 > space rack unit. Belew swore by it. I use mine more > for the pitchshifter, but the reverse echo is pretty > cool indeed. i read some reviews of the RPS-10 where the user claims they still use the RPS because the newer Boss delays don't have a true mix control. if you have a DD-5 and wish to have a dry kill (for when you use the reverse delay), this guys mods the pedals for that: http://www.analogman.com/dd5.htm --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 20:25:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h760NBH24747; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:23:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:23:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:23:06 -0500 Subject: FS: some gear for sale From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am thinking about selling the following items, but thought I would first offer it here before posting on ebay: MOTU 2408 mkII Core recording system (comes with recording software) $400 Presonus BlueTube/BlueMax 2 ch Mic Pre/Compressor combo $250 EZ-Bus Matrix Mixer / Controller $450 Akai EWI1000 + EWV2000 Mint! $650 I may also sell a VL1m V2 for $2000, but not yet sure If anyone is interested please contact me off list at sginn@mac.com For those who don't know me, you can check out my ebay history, user id sginn. Thanks, Steve Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 20:32:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h760V5625680; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:31:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:31:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.187.95.111] X-Originating-Email: [martijn_2m@hotmail.com] From: "Martijn 2M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DL4 vs Echo Pro Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:30:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2003 00:30:59.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[01EB9AF0:01C35BB2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone, I just subscribed to this list because, well .. I should have a long time ago (being a looping enthousiast), but also because I am in the process of changing my setup, and I am wondering if someone on the list has some good ideas/advice etc. I started getting into looping with the AKAI headrush, but moved on to the Line 6 DL4 which I currently use. Other then for looping I also use the DL4 for other delay effects when playing with my band. I love the DL4 but I am not happy with the limited control that you get with only 3 presets, one tap tempo and an expression pedal. So I am considering selling the DL4 and going for the rack mounted version of it, the Line 6 Echo Pro. I usually have an extensive midi footcontroller with me anyway (fcb1010), so that would work great with the Echo Pro to give me much more versitality. I noticed no reviews on the loopers delight site about the Echo Pro, so I am wondering if anyone on the list has any experience with it that they might share. Any thoughts ? Thanks a lot, Regards, Martijn Maas _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 21:02:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h760xkB28109; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:59:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030805231403.5050.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson explained: When I was shopping for a reverb pedal that I could put before my loopers (using my rack 'verb after them) I settled on the X-series one after trying most of its competitors. I like it. And I wondered: What do you like about it, Tim? Mmmm? Gary PS Is it better than the wacky Ineko I have winging its way to me? Am I going to have to eBay that one? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 21:14:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h761Bpq29880; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:09:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: FS: some gear for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I may also sell a VL1m V2 for $2000, but not yet sure Wow! $2K! I have one of those lying around that I rarely use! It's a great piece of kit, mind you -- and they don't make 'em any more -- a two-voice physical modelling wind synthesizer with a very nice effects unit built in... if you play a wind synthesizer, this is definitely the machine to have. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 21:15:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h761AQC29470; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:10:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:10:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030806011018.95155.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > What do you like about [the Digitech X-series reverb], Tim? Well, I was looking specifically for a pedal, since I was going to a smaller rack and losing one of my rack 'verbs, so I didn't try the Ineko or any of the 'tabletop' units. I compared the Boss, the EH Holy Grail, the DigiTech and a few others. Some of them were obviously inspired by amp reverb, ie. springs, but I was looking for cavernous digital to do volume pedal swells into, and the Digitech was in this regard the closest thing to my rack units. It's *not* as nice sounding as a good rack unit, but it's small and durable. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 21:30:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h761TAs00904; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022101c35bb9$bbad9ae0$a0e65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <3F2C27A8.5A6A1621@telus.net> Subject: Re: Help finding that special sound... Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:26:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Tait" > I was wondering if any of you know how I might be able to emulate Eric > Clapton's classic guitar sound from the Cream song "Badge", using the > Vortex. I am, of course, referring to the middle section where Eric > goes into an arpeggio run. It sounds like the guitar is being put > through a leslie. That's because Eric *did* run his guitar through a Leslie in that section. I've always loved that sound and the solo on Badge is, imo, one of the best guitar solos ever. That being said, I have absolutely no idea if the Vortex an emulate a leslie. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 22:00:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h761t5E03830; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.30.51.75] X-Originating-Email: [lorcanotorca@hotmail.com] From: "allen morrisson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hello, i am new to the group Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:54:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2003 01:54:58.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDEDA300:01C35BBD] Resent-Message-ID: <3Cs51C.A.t7.5_FM_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
   My name is Allen, I found this group doing a search for the Lexicon Vortex manual on Google. I have had it and the JamMan since they first came out, but never had the manual for the Vortex cause I got it used. My looping experience started in 96 with the purchase of a Digitech Multiplay pedal which no longer functions. It hooked me on looping so I had to upgrade. I read that Brad Laner (Medicine/Electric Company) was using one so I saved up 400 bucks and got one. I just upgraded the memory last winter, now it is even cooler.
 
   I do music under the name System Boot. In the past it has been very experimental electronica oriented, done mostly with computer. I use Acid, Fruity Loops, and Jeskola Buzz to construct it. I also use some hardware synths and grooveboxes. I don't use other peoples loops, I use various techniques in creating and deconstruction. My only material release is System Boot/Mar.ch-Divide By Zero on No Logo Records. I have plenty for download on the web though. My style is changing quite a bit recently, using guitar layers and loops with glitchy microsound beats.
 
  I am excited to see what this group is, and hopefully this letter is not to annoying. I could tell you all everything I use, but that would be really long! Hope to hear from you soon.
 
Allen Morrisson
 
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> > I was wondering if any of you know how I might be able to emulate Eric  Clapton's classic guitar sound from the Cream song "Badge", using the Vortex. I am, of course, referring to the middle section where Eric goes into an arpeggio run. It sounds like the guitar is being put  through a leslie.

 
   I am not that familiar with Clapton, but the Vortex has one of the better Leslie models I have played in a processor (3 Orbits). I haven't used any of the Line 6 modelers, they could be better. Nothing compares to a Leslie though, It would probaly take some time to duplicate, and don't forget the tonal properties of the amps and guitars. Good Luck.

MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 22:37:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h762YpD08322; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:34:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:34:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030806023450.62944.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:06 PM -0700 7/31/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > >I hope to be one of the first to play a gig with a > mobile phone. ;) I meant, the first in the DC area. :) > Well, I used my phone as a guitar slide and then had > my friend call > me up and pretend to be a telemarketer to end the > set. ;-) Cool! Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 5 22:41:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h762dcT08906; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:38:59 -0400 Subject: Orange @ Milky Way --TIME CHANGE-- From: Dan Soltzberg To: ghost 7 / Orange events Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3142967939_2614731_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3142967939_2614731_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ---------PLEASE NOTE TIME CHANGE--------- hope to see you on Thursday! THURSDAY AUGUST 7, 11:00 PM Orange =20 w/ special guest Eric Paull (Clem Snide, Count Zero) on drums. Improvised songs, bass loops and lyric channeling. @ The Milky Way Lounge & Lanes 403-405 Centre Street Jamaica Plain 617-524-3740=20 The evening's festivities: 9:25-10:05 =AD Paul Caraher Jazz Duo 10:10-10:50 =AD Undo=20 11:00-11:40 =AD Orange 11:50-12:30 =AD Valhalla Kittens -- Orange http://envelopeproductions.com --MS_Mac_OE_3142967939_2614731_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Orange @ Milky Way --TIME CHANGE--

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--MS_Mac_OE_3142967939_2614731_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 00:17:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h764DoK19006; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:13:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:13:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: hello, i am new to the group Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:05:55 -0600 Message-ID: <005701c35bd0$094d1e40$2032a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [65.86.123.194] at Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:13:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome!!! Loopers are fun! Weee! Mike P.S. There'a actually a link somewhere on the loopers-delight.com site to an electronic copy of the Vortex manual, in case you're curious after all this time. ;-) I actually got my vortex used without a manual as well. When I finally checked it out, I was actually quite fascinated to discover what was going on under the hood all this time, wow ... neato ... -----Original Message----- From: allen morrisson [mailto:lorcanotorca@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hello, i am new to the group My name is Allen, I found this group doing a search for the Lexicon Vortex manual on Google. I have had it and the JamMan since they first came out, but never had the manual for the Vortex cause I got it used. My looping experience started in 96 with the purchase of a Digitech Multiplay pedal which no longer functions. It hooked me on looping so I had to upgrade. I read that Brad Laner (Medicine/Electric Company) was using one so I saved up 400 bucks and got one. I just upgraded the memory last winter, now it is even cooler. I do music under the name System Boot. In the past it has been very experimental electronica oriented, done mostly with computer. I use Acid, Fruity Loops, and Jeskola Buzz to construct it. I also use some hardware synths and grooveboxes. I don't use other peoples loops, I use various techniques in creating and deconstruction. My only material release is System Boot/Mar.ch-Divide By Zero on No Logo Records. I have plenty for download on the web though. My style is changing quite a bit recently, using guitar layers and loops with glitchy microsound beats. I am excited to see what this group is, and hopefully this letter is not to annoying. I could tell you all everything I use, but that would be really long! Hope to hear from you soon. Allen Morrisson System Boot downloads: www.kikapu.com www.mp3.com/the_system_boot www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?songs=191185&T=9888 MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 01:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h764bJB21277; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:37:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:37:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:37:16 -0700 Subject: Re: hello, i am new to the group Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-233058290 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-10-233058290 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Welcome to the club! It sounds like you and I are in the same genera,=20= I'm interested to hear your stuff. I'm just now starting to take loops=20= I've done live in the studio and bring them into a laptop using live. =20= Up until now I did it all (except drum machine stuff) on the fly ,but I=20= find that DJ culture kind of expects more of a DJesque type of show at=20= times. You can find some of my stuff at=20 http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/ and http://www.mp3.com/0crossing Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 06:54 PM, allen morrisson wrote: > =A0=A0 My name is Allen, I found this group doing a search for the = Lexicon=20 > Vortex manual on Google. I have had it and the JamMan since they first=20= > came out, but never had the manual for the Vortex cause I got it used.=20= > My looping experience started in 96 with the purchase of a Digitech=20 > Multiplay pedal which no longer functions. It hooked me on looping so=20= > I had to upgrade. I read that Brad Laner (Medicine/Electric Company)=20= > was using one so I saved up 400 bucks and got one. I just upgraded the=20= > memory last winter, now it is even cooler. > =A0 > =A0=A0 I do music under the name System Boot. In the past it has been = very=20 > experimental electronica oriented, done mostly with computer. I use=20 > Acid, Fruity Loops, and Jeskola Buzz to construct it. I also use some=20= > hardware synths and grooveboxes. I don't use other peoples loops, I=20 > use various techniques in creating and deconstruction. My only=20 > material release is System Boot/Mar.ch-Divide By Zero on No Logo=20 > Records. I have plenty=A0for download on the web though. My style is=20= > changing quite a bit recently, using guitar layers and loops with=20 > glitchy microsound beats. > =A0 > =A0 I am excited to see what this group is, and hopefully this letter = is=20 > not to annoying. I could tell you all everything I use, but that would=20= > be really long! Hope to hear from you soon. > =A0 > Allen Morrisson > =A0 > System Boot downloads: > =A0=A0=A0 www.kikapu.com > =A0=A0=A0 www.mp3.com/the_system_boot > =A0=A0=A0 www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?songs=3D191185&T=3D9888 > > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.= --Apple-Mail-10-233058290 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Welcome to the club! It sounds like you and I are in the same genera, I'm interested to hear your stuff. I'm just now starting to take loops I've done live in the studio and bring them into a laptop using live. Up until now I did it all (except drum machine stuff) on the fly ,but I find that DJ culture kind of expects more of a DJesque type of show at times. You can find some of my stuff at http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/ and http://www.mp3.com/0crossing Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 06:54 PM, allen morrisson wrote: =A0=A0 My name is Allen, I found this group doing a search for the Lexicon Vortex manual on Google. I have had it and the JamMan since they first came out, but never had the manual for the Vortex cause I got it used. My looping experience started in 96 with the purchase of a Digitech Multiplay pedal which no longer functions. It hooked me on looping so I had to upgrade. I read that Brad Laner (Medicine/Electric Company) was using one so I saved up 400 bucks and got one. I just upgraded the memory last winter, now it is even cooler. =A0 =A0=A0 I do music under the name System Boot. In the past it has been = very experimental electronica oriented, done mostly with computer. I use Acid, Fruity Loops, and Jeskola Buzz to construct it. I also use some hardware synths and grooveboxes. I don't use other peoples loops, I use various techniques in creating and deconstruction. My only material release is System Boot/Mar.ch-Divide By Zero on No Logo Records. I have plenty=A0for download on the web though. My style is changing quite a bit recently, using guitar layers and loops with glitchy microsound beats. =A0 =A0 I am excited to see what this group is, and hopefully this letter is not to annoying. I could tell you all everything I use, but that would be really long! Hope to hear from you soon. =A0 Allen Morrisson =A0 System Boot downloads: =A0=A0=A0 = 1999,1999,FFFFwww.kikapu.com =A0=A0=A0 = 1999,1999,FFFFwww.mp3.com/the_system_boot= =A0=A0=A0 = 1999,1999,FFFFwww.acidplanet.com/artist.a= sp?songs=3D191185&T=3D9888 =20 < MSN 8 helps 1999,1999,FFFFELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.= --Apple-Mail-10-233058290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 02:29:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h766RVU31529; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:27:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:27:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.92.4.106] X-Originating-Email: [elecluminescent@hotmail.com] From: "R Ferguson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: Hamilton, ON Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 02:27:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2003 06:27:25.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD205D60:01C35BE3] Resent-Message-ID: <6HwEwB.A.isH.T_JM_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all just wanted to let anyone in the Hamilton/Niagara/Toronto area know that I'm playing tomorrow night as a part of The Underground's Futursonic Wednesdays (www.futursonic.com) the club is at 41 Catherine St North in Hamilton, doors are at 8 and $5.00 will get you into the show and a free compilation cd that the club has put together.. I'm an RDS8000/Loop Station guitarist, that goes under the name electroluminescent.. Tinkertoy and Kimonophonic are also on the bill.. Cheers, Ryan _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 03:01:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h766xZo02969; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:59:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:59:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7e.3c008839.2c6045d8@aol.com> References: <7e.3c008839.2c6045d8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:59:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Recent Listenings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -1 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi all, > >Just fer the heck o' it, here's what's been spinning on my CD player >(and in my brain) the past coupla days. > >"Discord" by Ryuichi Sakamoto (featuring dt - aka SPLaTTeRCeLL) >"Zero Gravity" Laika & the Cosmonauts (surf music from Finland) >"Happy Ocean" by Pers Boysen (our own LD Swedish looper) >"Undisonus" and "Ineo" 2 orchestral pieces by Terje Rypdal What are these like? I was curious about what Rypdal would do with an orchestra... >'Day of the Robot" by Buckethead (I still wonder who this guy really is) >"Live at the Aquarium - London Zoo 21 May 1992" by Michael Brook > >What sortta interesting stuff are you folks listening to of late? > > Lessseee: The Mars Volta: Deloused in the Comatorium. Very interesting disc, it's like a mix of Steve Hackett-era Genesis with Soundgarden, only not nearly as atrocious as that sounds. One of the most openly prog-rock things I've heard on a major label in years, and damned good. Serge Gainesbourg: Histoire de Melodie Nelson: From 1971, a 28 minute concept album. My French is nonexistent, so I don't quite get the concept, but a cool, cool sounding disc, understated funk with some amazing bass playing, Serge's voice ( think Leonard Cohen in French) and some very cool string arranging. The new Beck record (Sea Change) steals from this openly, and, as a result, is one of his (Beck's, that is) best. Speaking of new Beck records, I just got the new Jeff Beck yesterday, haven't really had a chance to listen to it in depth yet, but it's definitely cool to see him working with David Torn. On the first spin while working, it seems similar to his last few discs, with the electronic elements a bit hipper than before. Inimitable guitar playing, of course. Led Zeppelin: How the West Was Won (DVD and CD). So I grew up listening to Zeppelin, Dazed and Confused was one of the first bass lines I learned. These live performances point out just what an incredible band they were. Given how many terrible bands were inspired by Zeppelin, it's easy to forget how innovative they were at the time. On listening to these discs, I'm often surprised at how funky the Bonham/Jones rhythm section could be. Joe Meek: I Hear a New World: recorded in 1960, this is a great lost pop masterpiece about space travel and life on the moon. Bizarre mix of easy listening and almost residents-esque sound manipulation. Like the Gainesbourg record above, I'm surprised it has taken me this long to discover this stuff. Sun Ra: Nuits de Fondation Maeght, volumes 1 and 2. Newly re-issued live discs from 1970, from concerts in France. Great vintage Ra, just after he got his Minimoog, and pretty well recorded, by Ra standards. recent interesting live stuff: Oliver Mtukudzi and Black Spirits: Played for free in a park in Albany, Oregon, as part of the consistently surprising series of free concerts they do every summer. Great Zimbabwean pop, tightly interlocking guitar/bass/keyboard lines that seem like they could spin out to infinity. Played a show in Eugene last friday with Surrounded by Ninjas, a Portland-based keyboard/DJ duo that do all improv electronica, and do so better than most I've seen attempt it. Used a repeater (finally, some looping content :-) and a few Kaos Pads to great effect. The best part was that for the last set, we did a free improv set with them and the members of my band, Eleven Eyes, and it was surprisingly successful, so much so that we;re trying to figure out a way to do it again. It was one of the better large-group (there were 8 of us on stage at the peak) improvs I've been involved in. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 05:26:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h769OjV14176; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:24:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:24:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:24:37 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c35bfc$8ef2f840$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030805231403.5050.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5b5nT.A.ZdD.dlMM_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll agree with the assessment on the x-series. We installed one in a pedalboard recently and the client is VERY happy with the sound quality and lack of tone suck. Additionally, it is a HUGE improvement over the spring reverb! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! When I was shopping for a reverb pedal that I could put before my loopers (using my rack 'verb after them) I settled on the X-series one after trying most of its competitors. I like it. -t- --- Don Makoviney wrote: > You can look thru Digitechs own forums on the > X-Series and see the official > response from them: > http://www.digitech.com/digiforum/msglist.asp?forum=stompbox __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 07:40:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76BcoC22467; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:38:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.e894a5b.2c6242ba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:38:34 EDT Subject: Re: looping up the wall... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Note that this problem is not just an echoplex problem. This is more a > >laws of time, space, and physics problem. No looper can overdub and > >maintain true sync at the same time. Either they have to free run during > >that time to avoid audio problems, or they have the audible problems of > >pops in the loop, lost overdubs, or weird pitch or time artifacts if it is > >doing time/pitch stretching. Or to expand on that, it's a MIDI spec problem. Syncing to MIDI you're syncing to something somewhat unpredictable. If you brother sync 2 EDPs there's no such problem. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 08:02:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76Bxu424075; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:59:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Digitech X-Series Pedals - - -(was DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool !) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:59:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35C12.3FE7FA00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C12.3FE7FA00 Content-Type: text/plain Seriously I am a big fan of the new X-Series. I have to say the pedal I love the most is my X_Series Synth-Wah. Seriously gets everything from great barfing lowdown synth sounds to chirping laser beam blasts. One of the great ways I found to embarrass my band is to put it on one of the synth settings and hold my guitar like a laser gun and make shooting actions in time with the sweep of the synth chirps of the laser beam sound. (Sorry for that last useless piece of info. . . .) For all you keyboard dudes and your moogs and mini-moogs this pedal probably isn't much of a big deal. . . .but it seriously blows away any envelope filters or autowahs out there, and would give the Moogerfooger or EH Micro-Synth a run for its money if it had a few dozen more knobs to tweak - but actually the minimal amount of knobs is one of the beautiful things about the Synth Wah. Some great (and accurate) demos over here: http://www.digitech.com/xseries%20demos/start.htm Complete with audio, and settings display. Enjoy! -DM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C12.3FE7FA00 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Digitech X-Series Pedals - - -(was DigiTech DigiDelay = pedal--cool!)

Seriously I am a big fan of the new X-Series. I have = to say the pedal I love the most is my X_Series Synth-Wah. Seriously = gets everything from great barfing lowdown synth sounds to chirping = laser beam blasts. One of the great ways I found to embarrass my band = is to put it on one of the synth settings and hold my guitar like a = laser gun and make shooting actions in time with the sweep of the synth = chirps of the laser beam sound.

(Sorry for that last useless piece of info. . . = .)

For all you keyboard dudes and your moogs and = mini-moogs this pedal probably isn't much of a big deal. . . .but it = seriously blows away any envelope filters or autowahs out there, and = would give the Moogerfooger or EH Micro-Synth a run for its money if it = had a few dozen more knobs to tweak - but actually the minimal amount = of knobs is one of the beautiful things about the Synth Wah.

Some great (and accurate) demos over here:
http://www.digitech.com/xseries%20demos/start.htm<= /FONT>


Complete with audio, and settings display.

Enjoy!


-DM


------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C12.3FE7FA00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 09:19:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76DGEF30999; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:11:13 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! To: Tim Nelson , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006101c35c1c$e7543100$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030805225900.99730.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bless you, Tim - I'm on the hunt! dB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! > --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > looking for one that responds like the older Boss > > pedal (referred to as the > > Adrian Belew pedal by some). If I remember correctly > > (and this could have > > been some dream fragment...) it actually stored your > > sound and spit it back, > > backwards, when triggered by your next sound. > > I think you mean the RPS-10; not a pedal, but a 1/2 > space rack unit. Belew swore by it. I use mine more > for the pitchshifter, but the reverse echo is pretty > cool indeed. > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 09:53:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76DooP02370; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:50:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:50:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <70BBB3D0-C6B5-11D7-AA10-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <70BBB3D0-C6B5-11D7-AA10-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:50:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: ALESIS INEKO/kaoss pad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, i usually use my ineko after my digitech rp 100 and then the signal goes into my rack. w/ that set up i didn't have any problems. bypass works well, but i could tell that the signal is a bit "hotter" when the ineko is on, but didn't have any trouble. as for the kaoss pad, i just finished some demos using it along w/ the 2 sec delay in my digitech rp100 for some minimal recordings since my rack is resting in the basement as i prepare to move my studio--the kaoss pad is a GREAT TOOL for sound mangling and the sampler is WAY FUN and easy to just whack out fun sounds! after doing a bunch of stuff w/ just a 2 sec delay (rp100) and kaoss pad's 5 sec sampler, i look at my 4 space rack and wonder if i need it anymore? oh well..... back to looping (or work)... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 10:20:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76EG4705290; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.e60fe52.2c626794@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:15:48 EDT Subject: Re: Recent Listenings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h76EG3W05266 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, In a message dated 8/6/03 12:00:13 AM, improv@peak.org writes: >>"Undisonus" and "Ineo" 2 orchestral pieces by Terje Rypdal > >What are these like? I was curious about what Rypdal would >do with an orchestra... Terje Rypdal has a number of discs out that feature his orchestral compositions. Some, like "Q.E.D.," are intense, atonal and strange to anyone not accustomed to listening to that sort of thing (my wife for example, who hates even my own music). It also includes some searing, ring-modulated electric guitar as part of the package (yeah baby). "Undisonus" is strictly orchestral and a little more accessible. It's calmer, and sort of cinematic in a way -- a slightly chillier, secular Arvo Pärt or Henrik Górecki with a little dissonance and angularity thrown in (here and there) for melodramatic good measure -- altogether pleasant. "Ineo" is mostly more of the same with a choral section added to the orchestral instruments. I'd say it's the "prettier" of the two pieces on the disc. Sort of somber and contemplative on a typical "Nordic" sort of way. Is that regional profiling? Another disc, his "Double Concerto/5th Symphony" CD has not grown on me as much. It's a little too "classical" for me and the presence of the electric guitar seems artificial and pasted-on (IMHO) -- a little like some of those albums from the early 70s that Deep Purple and other groups did with orchestras -- though a good deal more original and better realized. Rypdal shares guitar duties on these pieces with another fellow who sounds a little too much like an ordinary "rock" guitar soloist -- kinda disappointing. This may seem like harsh criticism or a glib reduction to a sound- bite-sized description of music which (taken as a whole) is very much more. I actually think the world of Rypdal's work. In fact, I wouldn't mind being him when I grow up (heheh). His output is amazing and quite consistent. But I think a short description is what yer after anyway, isn't it? Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 10:55:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76Er0O10676; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1060180859!603924 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB3B2@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Help finding that special sound... Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:38:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35C28.5A6324C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C28.5A6324C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>That's because Eric *did* run his guitar through a Leslie in that section. I've always loved that sound and the solo on Badge is, imo, one of the best guitar solos ever. That being said, I have absolutely no idea if the Vortex an emulate a leslie.<< not i.m.o.; the vortex does some interesting things but not a convincing leslie. there're a few other boxes that do this with varying degrees of success- even an old quadraverb would manage a passable imitation of whirly-speakers, but you might also look at things like the boss se50/70 (my se70 makes the right whooshing noise with the drive turned up, even with nothing going into it), the korg g4 (a great stomp-box leslie, now out-of-production), or the reissue univibe. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>That's because Eric *did* run his guitar through = a Leslie in that section.  I've
always loved that sound and the solo on Badge is, imo, o= ne of the best guitar
solos ever.  That being said, I have absolutely no = idea if the Vortex an emulate
a leslie.<<


not i.m.o.; the vortex does some interesting things but n= ot a convincing leslie. there're a few other boxes that do this with varyin= g degrees of success- even an old quadraverb would manage a passable imitat= ion of whirly-speakers, but you might also look at things like the boss se5= 0/70 (my se70 makes the right whooshing noise with the drive turned up, eve= n with nothing going into it), the korg g4 (a great stomp-box leslie, now o= ut-of-production), or the reissue univibe.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C28.5A6324C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 11:22:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76FKLM14375; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:20:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:20:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:20:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35C2E.3EE87AA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C2E.3EE87AA0 Content-Type: text/plain I created a specific group for Boomerang Users. Naturally others are invited but I did it because I feel bad polluting this list with only Boomerang questions and experiences (which is the only looping I am interested in at the moment). I will still post to this list too since I glean so much from it. . . .but just thought other 'Rang users on this list might appreciate knowing about the 'RangList. . . . Boomerang Users Forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boomerang_users/ Thanks, Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C2E.3EE87AA0 Content-Type: text/html Message
I created a specific group for Boomerang Users. Naturally others are invited but I did it because I feel bad polluting this list with only Boomerang questions and experiences (which is the only looping I am interested in at the moment).
 
I will still post to this list too since I glean so much from it. . . .but just thought other 'Rang users on this list might appreciate knowing about the 'RangList. . . .
 
Boomerang Users Forum:
 
Thanks,
 
Don M
------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C2E.3EE87AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 11:37:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76FWkj16248; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:32:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:32:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F311FE7.91FAB502@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:33:59 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RPS-10 Was Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! References: <20030805225900.99730.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> <006101c35c1c$e7543100$1912be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just FYI the Line 6 DL4 delay has a duplicate model of the reverse delay of the Boss RPS-10. No pitch shifting features but I have an RPS-10 and IMO the DL4 nails the reverse part so you can have only the "wet" reverse signal going out the pedal without any original signal if you set it up for that. The RPS10 is a great little box. The Pitchshifting aliases like hell so it's useless and irreplaceable at the same time :) These still probably pretty cheap (my guess is $100 or less) if you find one in a store. Of course KKKolectors sites with ask much more but they ARE out there and it's more likely something you'd find used in a dusty rack in a ma and pa store which is always more fulfilling anyway :) > > I think you mean the RPS-10; not a pedal, but a 1/2 space rack > unit. Belew swore by it. I use mine more for the pitchshifter, but > the reverse echo is pretty cool indeed. > Bless you, Tim - I'm on the hunt!- dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 11:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76Fshf19998; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:54:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:54:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Boss RPS-10 Was Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:54:38 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c35c33$0add0410$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3F311FE7.91FAB502@HelpWantedProductions.com> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <3I-VlD.A.S4E.DTSM_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The DL4 reverse is far more superior to the RPS-10 reverse setting which if memory serves me correctly it only gets up to 800 Ms. Plus you get all those other delay settings that are very useful in the DL4. I've been doing a lot of fun things with the Boss DD6 reverse setting lately as well which reminds me a lot of the RPS-10: Check the end of this song: http://crapehanger.voodoogarden.org/audio/07-27-03/Huff%20-%20Compressed %20Mix.mp3 -----Original Message----- From: legion@HelpWantedProductions.com [mailto:legion@HelpWantedProductions.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RPS-10 Was Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Just FYI the Line 6 DL4 delay has a duplicate model of the reverse delay of the Boss RPS-10. No pitch shifting features but I have an RPS-10 and IMO the DL4 nails the reverse part so you can have only the "wet" reverse signal going out the pedal without any original signal if you set it up for that. The RPS10 is a great little box. The Pitchshifting aliases like hell so it's useless and irreplaceable at the same time :) These still probably pretty cheap (my guess is $100 or less) if you find one in a store. Of course KKKolectors sites with ask much more but they ARE out there and it's more likely something you'd find used in a dusty rack in a ma and pa store which is always more fulfilling anyway :) > > I think you mean the RPS-10; not a pedal, but a 1/2 space rack > unit. Belew swore by it. I use mine more for the pitchshifter, but > the reverse echo is pretty cool indeed. > Bless you, Tim - I'm on the hunt!- dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 12:05:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76G1ji21062; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:01:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: Boss RPS-10 Was Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:01:58 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/06/2003 12:02:00 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1Ykg4C.A._IF.oZSM_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My fav. reverse delay pedal of all time is the Digi Space Station, which offers many different options for mixing froward and reverse, including reverse only, preset #10, the only one I use, but it's a classic. Plus when you pedal down to activate #10, any audio present gets shifted to create a wonderful, easily controlled whammy-down effect (or up if you're going that way). dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 12:13:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76GAB522492; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:10:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:10:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:10:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Boss RPS-10 Was Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8F649027-C828-11D7-80CD-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Digi Space Station (XP300 I believe) is really a fabulous device. I use it with a small Rin-Gong (with a contact mic affixed). I feed the results into my pair of EDPs (via a Mackie mixer). #6, #7, #16, #27, #28 do wonderful things to the gong (others do beautiful things as well, particularly the arpeggiator presets. #10 works very well with a Theremin BTW Too bad they quit making them (I wonder why?). On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 11:01 AM, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: > > My fav. reverse delay pedal of all time is the Digi Space Station, > which > offers many different options for mixing froward and reverse, > including > reverse only, preset #10, the only one I use, but it's a classic. > Plus when you pedal down to activate #10, any audio present gets > shifted > to create a wonderful, easily controlled whammy-down effect (or up if > you're going that way). > dc > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 12:19:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76GEcC23440; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Boss RPS-10 Was Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:14:46 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/06/2003 12:14:53 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks...I'll have to try these out. Wonder if I can still change presets on it? ;-) it's been so long since i even bothered! <<#6, #7, #16, #27, #28 do wonderful things to the gong (others do beautiful things as well, particularly the arpeggiator presets.>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 12:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76GUlJ26200; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a0.18b928a2.2c62872d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:30:37 EDT Subject: Re: Digitech X-Series Pedals - - -(was DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool !) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <-c_-DD.A.OZG.30SM_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com once again.....MUSICIANS FRIEND has a buy 2 x-pedals and get a third for free.....i do not work for these folk but i like to pass on what i think seem to be good deals.....hey gary! did you get your ineko yet?.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 12:51:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76Glke28523; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.e8e8c0f.2c628b24@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:47:32 EDT Subject: space station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.e8e8c0f.2c628b24_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e2.e8e8c0f.2c628b24_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/03 12:14:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcoffin@taunton.com writes: > Wonder if I can still change presets > on it? ;-) it's been so long since i even bothered! > i have found that you have to work to get some of the presets to sound good.....i have had mine for a long time and im still finding gems on patches i have passed on.....i think it really depends on the type of signal you send into it.....is there any other box out there that has these type of sounds in it? (for the day when this pedal self-destructs).....and i totally agree with david that the reverses in this pedal are wonderful, if i could only stop abuseing them.....michael --part1_1e2.e8e8c0f.2c628b24_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/6/03= 12:14:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcoffin@taunton.com writes:


Wonder if I can still change pr= esets
on it? ;-)   it's been so long since i even bothered!


i have found that you have to work to get some of the presets to sound good.= ....i have had mine for a long time and im still finding gems on patches i h= ave passed on.....i think it really depends on the type of signal you send i= nto it.....is there any other box out there that has these type of sounds in= it? (for the day when this pedal self-destructs).....and i totally agree wi= th david that the reverses in this pedal are wonderful, if i could only stop= abuseing them.....michael --part1_1e2.e8e8c0f.2c628b24_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 13:00:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76GvsM29959; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:57:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030806094706.04698bd8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:59:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:20 AM 8/6/2003, Don Makoviney wrote: >I created a specific group for Boomerang Users. Naturally others are >invited but I did it because I feel bad polluting this list with only >Boomerang questions and experiences why would it be polluting this list to discuss the Boomerang? that's one of the reasons the Looper's Delight list exists. People discuss looping gear here, and the Boomerang is one of the major loopers available. People ask Boomerang questions here all the time. Check the list archives, there have been thousands of posts about the Boomerang. In fact, it was one of the first discussions the list had when it started! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 13:03:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76H1KF30586; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:01:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:01:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030806170118.69395.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:01:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030806094706.04698bd8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:20 AM 8/6/2003, Don Makoviney wrote: > >I created a specific group for Boomerang Users. Naturally others are > >invited but I did it because I feel bad polluting this list with only > >Boomerang questions and experiences > > why would it be polluting this list to discuss the Boomerang? that's one of > the reasons the Looper's Delight list exists. People discuss looping gear > here, and the Boomerang is one of the major loopers available. People ask > Boomerang questions here all the time. Check the list archives, there have > been thousands of posts about the Boomerang. In fact, it was one of the > first discussions the list had when it started! I agree. Even though I don't have a boomerang, I enjoy reading about it's use. Perhaps one day I'll get one, or consider it, and it's helpful to hear about people's impressions without having to search all over the web for them. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 13:36:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76HXJK01937; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c35c40$cffd1d40$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030806170118.69395.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's true, I'd rather not have yet another discussion group to subscribe to. This IS the place to discuss the boomerang... Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:20 AM 8/6/2003, Don Makoviney wrote: > >I created a specific group for Boomerang Users. Naturally others are > >invited but I did it because I feel bad polluting this list with only > >Boomerang questions and experiences > > why would it be polluting this list to discuss the Boomerang? that's one of > the reasons the Looper's Delight list exists. People discuss looping gear > here, and the Boomerang is one of the major loopers available. People ask > Boomerang questions here all the time. Check the list archives, there have > been thousands of posts about the Boomerang. In fact, it was one of the > first discussions the list had when it started! I agree. Even though I don't have a boomerang, I enjoy reading about it's use. Perhaps one day I'll get one, or consider it, and it's helpful to hear about people's impressions without having to search all over the web for them. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 14:32:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76ITVF07568; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:29:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:30:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don, Please don't. I'm a Boomerang user, but would much prefer to keep discussion of the 'rang on this list. We have to put up with everyone else wittering on about their Repeaters and EDPs don't we? I'm sure they'll all be able to follow the gist of the, obviously intellectually more challenging, Boomerang discussion. To be honest I don't have an awful lot to say about the 'rang. Press 'Record' and it records, Press 'Play' and it plays. End of story! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 14:35:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76IXbd08165; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:33:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:33:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:34:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c35c49$6626e960$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <003001c35c40$cffd1d40$7f613d44@soulfruit> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's true, I'd rather not have yet another > discussion group to subscribe to. This IS > the place to discuss the boomerang... I'll fourth that! I am quite interested in ALL loopers... Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 14:55:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76ImMc09815; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:48:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:48:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:48:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35C4B.4E16DE50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C4B.4E16DE50 Content-Type: text/plain Ian & Co., That's fine if you don't want to join. I actually hope it DOESN'T have hundreds of members, but I do hope it is generally focused on the Rang. . . . No offense taken if you don't subscribe and there is NO offense intended at this list. I love this list and hope to be on it for years. In fact there will be constant references to this list and a link on the forums site pointing to this page. Don't worry. . .I won't spam this list with continual requests to join my "niche" list. It may come up casually in threads from time to time. . .but I won't blanketly petition the list for requests to join. Thanks, Don M BOOMERANG PHRASE SAMPLER USERS GROUP http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boomerang_users -----Original Message----- From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users Don, Please don't. I'm a Boomerang user, but would much prefer to keep discussion of the 'rang on this list. We have to put up with everyone else wittering on about their Repeaters and EDPs don't we? I'm sure they'll all be able to follow the gist of the, obviously intellectually more challenging, Boomerang discussion. To be honest I don't have an awful lot to say about the 'rang. Press 'Record' and it records, Press 'Play' and it plays. End of story! -- Ian Petersen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C4B.4E16DE50 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users

Ian & Co.,

That's fine if you don't want to join. I actually = hope it DOESN'T have hundreds of members, but I do hope it is generally = focused on the Rang. . . .

No offense taken if you don't subscribe and there is = NO offense intended at this list. I love this list and hope to be on it = for years. In fact there will be constant references to this list and a = link on the forums site pointing to this page.

Don't worry. . .I won't spam this list with continual = requests to join my "niche" list. It may come up casually in = threads from time to time. . .but I won't blanketly petition the list = for requests to join.

Thanks,

Don M

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BOOMERANG PHRASE SAMPLER USERS GROUP
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boomerang_users
</blatant>


-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:30 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Forum for Boomerang = Discussion/Users


Don,

Please don't. I'm a Boomerang user, but would much = prefer to keep
discussion of the 'rang on this list. We have to put = up with everyone
else wittering on about their Repeaters and EDPs = don't we? <g>

I'm sure they'll all be able to follow the gist of = the, obviously
intellectually more challenging, Boomerang = discussion. <g>

To be honest I don't have an awful lot to say about = the 'rang. Press
'Record' and it records, Press 'Play' and it plays. = End of story!

--

  Ian Petersen

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C4B.4E16DE50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 14:56:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76IrMr10853; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: DJ WILLIAMS Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:53:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35C4C.012ECCA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C4C.012ECCA0 Content-Type: text/plain Some good acoustic and electric live jazz/funk looping and stacking. A little repetitive for me (he uses a Line 6 DL4), but real good nonetheless. He's opened for Keller Williams, OAR and the like. You can hear a little Keller in his playing. Several downloads available: http://www.soundclick.com/djwilliams Good inspiration for me personally with my Boomerang. -DM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C4C.012ECCA0 Content-Type: text/html Message
Some good acoustic and electric live jazz/funk looping and stacking. A little repetitive for me (he uses a Line 6 DL4), but real good nonetheless. He's opened for Keller Williams, OAR and the like. You can hear a little Keller in his playing.
 
Several downloads available:
 
 
Good inspiration for me personally with my Boomerang.
 
 
-DM
------_=_NextPart_001_01C35C4C.012ECCA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 15:05:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76J1df12352; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:01:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:01:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:01:11 -0400 Subject: Boston Gig Spam and apologies From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3143026871_4247660_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3143026871_4247660_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi All-- Sorry for any prior postings that slipped through people's filters-- I didn't realize I had the LD address in one of my gig info address groups. So, just to do it the right way, below is information on an upcoming gig (this Thursday!) featuring two Boston performers-- Undo and Orange-- who both incorporate loops in their music. ------------- THURSDAY AUGUST 7, 11:00 PM Orange =20 w/ special guest Eric Paull (Clem Snide, Count Zero) on drums. Improvised songs, bass loops and lyric channeling. @ The Milky Way Lounge & Lanes 403-405 Centre Street Jamaica Plain 617-524-3740=20 The evening's festivities: 9:25-10:05 =AD Paul Caraher Jazz Duo 10:10-10:50 =AD Undo=20 11:00-11:40 =AD Orange 11:50-12:30 =AD Valhalla Kittens -- Orange http://envelopeproductions.com --MS_Mac_OE_3143026871_4247660_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Boston Gig Spam and apologies Hi All--


Sorry for any prior postings that slipped through people's filters-- I didn= 't realize I had the LD address in one of my gig info address groups.


So, just to do it the right way, below is information on an upcoming gig (t= his Thursday!) featuring two Boston performers-- Undo and Orange-- who both = incorporate loops in their music.


-------------


THURSDAY AUGUST 7, 11:00 PM

Orange    

w/ special guest Eric Paull (Clem Snide, Count Zero) on drums.

Improvised songs, bass loops and lyric channeling.


@

The Milky Way Lounge & Lanes
403-405 Centre Street
Jamaica Plain
617-524-3740


The evening's festivities:

9:25-10:05 =AD Paul Caraher Jazz Duo

10:10-10:50 =AD Un= do

11:00-11:40 =AD Orange

11:50-12:30 =AD Valhalla Kittens


--
Orange
http://envelopeproductions.com








--MS_Mac_OE_3143026871_4247660_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 15:37:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76JYmd16594; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:34:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:34:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030806193442.26933.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: space station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1e2.e8e8c0f.2c628b24@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got kind of a love/hate relationship with both my Space Station and my Whammy pedals... I find that most of the presets are not too useful to me, but there are a few that I love. Every time I take them out of my rig, one or both works its way back in before too long... -t- --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i totally agree with david > that the reverses in this pedal are wonderful, if i > could only stop abuseing them.....michael > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 15:43:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76JeCp17483; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030806193958.13649.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:39:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I agree with Kim and Ian and the rest... I started a couple of spinoff groups, but they were for tangential off-topicality (a pedalboard forum and a support group for those who feel compelled to build weird customized stringed instruments); the 'Rang and the use thereof is definitely ON topic on LD. -t- --- Ian Petersen wrote: > Please don't. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 15:52:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76JmPS18765; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:48:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:48:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:49:09 -0500 Subject: Re: space station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030806193442.26933.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0BFBC85B-C847-11D7-8D6D-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With regard to the Space Station, a good number of the effects (algorithms) don't seem to be guitar oriented (I'm not a guitar player though). I usually use effects like the Space Station with synths, but (as mentioned in an earlier post) I began using it with small gongs. It really is much more impressive with these instruments. The effects really seem to open up with long, resonating, sustained sounds. Maybe, as a guitarist, you should try putting heavy compression on the guitar before running it through the Space Station (or whatever guitar players use to get a long sustain), that might open up the effects for you. On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 02:34 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > I've got kind of a love/hate relationship with both my > Space Station and my Whammy pedals... I find that most > of the presets are not too useful to me, but there are > a few that I love. Every time I take them out of my > rig, one or both works its way back in before too > long... > > -t- > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >> i totally agree with david >> that the reverses in this pedal are wonderful, if i >> could only stop abuseing them.....michael >> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 15:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76JrW319399; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:53:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:53:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01eb01c35c54$e33c6460$cee5a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030806193442.26933.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: space station Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:56:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.229.206] at Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:53:26 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <7WJNPB.A.-uE.8yVM_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are the owner of a Space Station and don't use it -- I'll buy it from you. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 16:11:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76K7TL21604; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:07:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:07:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:07:23 -0700 Subject: Re: space station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 894c8ed2 aee23e9e 751bbeae 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030806193442.26933.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <97AAF88C-C849-11D7-9C74-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's funny, I feel that way too. I think I got rid of my Space Station because it started spending more time out of my system than in it. Sure it did a lot of cool things, but I had a lot of overlap with other devices as well. I find an interesting shift happening in the way I make music. For a long time I was in the Adrian Belew "do whatever you can to make your guitar sound like something else" camp. I still go there, but I find myself using more organic and traditional sounds for a large part, and when I want something crazy, I turn to using actual synthesis. As time has passed, I also find myself using my Roland GK 2/Yamaha G50 MIDI setup less and less and using an actual keyboard as a controller. I found that my skill level on the keyboard didn't have the learning curve that I thought it would, though I'm mostly doing single hand leads or bass/pad parts. I guess I got to a point where the limitation of pitch/MIDI converters made the switch attractive. Now, when I say "Organic and traditional" that doesn't mean I'm plugging direct into a Fender Twin. Still keep an ebow close by, and I love my Sustainiac system coupled with a volume pedal. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 12:34 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > I've got kind of a love/hate relationship with both my > Space Station and my Whammy pedals... I find that most > of the presets are not too useful to me, but there are > a few that I love. Every time I take them out of my > rig, one or both works its way back in before too > long... > > -t- > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >> i totally agree with david >> that the reverses in this pedal are wonderful, if i >> could only stop abuseing them.....michael >> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 6 17:52:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h76LnVc07492; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:49:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:50:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don, > That's fine if you don't want to join. It's not so much that I don't want to join. I just don't see the point of making a separate list about the Boomerang. The 'rang is a fine piece of kit, but I just don't think anything can be said about it that is not generally relevant to all loopers. It is, after all, the simplest and most straightforward of all the dedicated loopers. What is there to be said about it that can't be said on this list? I'm all ears if anyone has any good tips 'n' tricks about the 'rang; undocumented features, or how to convert it into an EDP with two bent paper clips and a roll of tinfoil. However, I'm not holding my breath. I've scoured the archives of this list and haven't found anything much of interest about the 'rang other than it pretty much works as advertised and is a good solid product. Don't get me wrong: I love my 'rang, and would love to see more discussion about it, but I don't see what purpose it would serve to split that discussion onto another list. It would just make both lists less valuable for all of us. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 11:53:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77FmVX08597; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:48:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:48:29 -0700 Subject: OT: Sustainiac (was Re: space station) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <97AAF88C-C849-11D7-9C74-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/6/03 1:07 PM, msottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Still keep an ebow close by, and I > love my Sustainiac system coupled with a volume pedal. As I recall you were only mildly fond of the results with the Sustainiac when you first got it. Or was that just because of all the trouble it took to install it? I take it you've warmed to it? And is it the Sustainiac or the Fernandes system that you've got? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 11:55:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77FrFH09767; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:51:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Forum for Boomerang Discussion/Users From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030806094706.04698bd8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/6/03 9:59 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > why would it be polluting this list to discuss the Boomerang? that's one of > the reasons the Looper's Delight list exists. People discuss looping gear > here, and the Boomerang is one of the major loopers available. People ask > Boomerang questions here all the time. Check the list archives, there have > been thousands of posts about the Boomerang. In fact, it was one of the > first discussions the list had when it started! Yeah. Without discussions about Boomerangs and Repeaters and other non-EDP equipment, all we'd be able to discuss is found sounds and guitar effects. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 12:14:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77GCKC12163; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:12:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:12:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: sysmonitor.westhost.net: webmail set sender to kevin@minds-eye.org using -f Message-ID: <1060272735.3f327a5f4bd31@www.webmail.westhost.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:12:15 -0500 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 137.150.22.186 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As I recall you were only mildly fond of the results with the Sustainiac > when you first got it. Or was that just because of all the trouble it took > to install it? I take it you've warmed to it? And is it the Sustainiac or > the Fernandes system that you've got? I'd be curious to hear anyone else's opinion on the Sustainiac system as well. I installed one in a cheap Strat copy and its always seemed a lot tamer than I'd like; the sustain comes on kind of slowly and isn't as robust as I'd hoped (I wasn't too thrilled with the response of the Fernandes either fwiw). I know its installed correctly as I eventually sent the guitar in to be looked at and it was pronounced 'proper'. What are other Sustainiac users experiences with the system? And of course, we all know that these sounds are going to be looped, just to keep marginally on topic. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 12:37:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77GYTf15598; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:34:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:34:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1060272735.3f327a5f4bd31@www.webmail.westhost.com> References: <1060272735.3f327a5f4bd31@www.webmail.westhost.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:34:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2dywYC.A.lzD.U-nM_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was underwhelmed with my Sustainiac, although I confess I installed it on an electric upright bass, so I had no idea what to expect in the first place. It seemed like I had to mount it so close and crank it up so high that it would feedback into the magnetic pickup as soon as it started doing anything useful, sustain-wise. But now that my bass has shiny new optical pickups, I oughta try it again. -Alex S. > > As I recall you were only mildly fond of the results with the Sustainiac >> when you first got it. Or was that just because of all the trouble it took >> to install it? I take it you've warmed to it? And is it the Sustainiac or >> the Fernandes system that you've got? > >I'd be curious to hear anyone else's opinion on the Sustainiac system as >well. I installed one in a cheap Strat copy and its always seemed a lot tamer >than I'd like; the sustain comes on kind of slowly and isn't as robust as I'd >hoped (I wasn't too thrilled with the response of the Fernandes >either fwiw). I >know its installed correctly as I eventually sent the guitar in to >be looked at >and it was pronounced 'proper'. > >What are other Sustainiac users experiences with the system? > >And of course, we all know that these sounds are going to be looped, just to >keep marginally on topic. > >Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 12:37:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77GZub15910; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:35:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:35:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c35d01$fcef5680$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <1060272735.3f327a5f4bd31@www.webmail.westhost.com> Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:36:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kevin and Mark, I've had a Sustainiac system in my home-made Warmouth Strat for a couple years now and at this point, it's become indispensable. There have been times when it seemed tamer, but raising the driver transducer helps. Try that... I've also found that adding more distortion creates more sensitivity in the sustainer as well, without any ambient room sound. If you add speakers in the room at a moderate level, THAT increases the "coupling" of the sustainer as well, adding a bit more level to the feedback loop. It can get into uncontrollable mode with a good fuzz and standing close to a moderately loud speaker. Miko Biffle | biffoz@arczip.com "Do you really want to know how it all works out?" Fresh new ICS Xray Lodge | http://www.powerhat.com/ics/sounds.html Now playing: "Rough" | http://cdbaby.com/cd/biffoz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac > > As I recall you were only mildly fond of the results with the Sustainiac > > when you first got it. Or was that just because of all the trouble it took > > to install it? I take it you've warmed to it? And is it the Sustainiac or > > the Fernandes system that you've got? > > I'd be curious to hear anyone else's opinion on the Sustainiac system as > well. I installed one in a cheap Strat copy and its always seemed a lot tamer > than I'd like; the sustain comes on kind of slowly and isn't as robust as I'd > hoped (I wasn't too thrilled with the response of the Fernandes either fwiw). I > know its installed correctly as I eventually sent the guitar in to be looked at > and it was pronounced 'proper'. > > What are other Sustainiac users experiences with the system? > > And of course, we all know that these sounds are going to be looped, just to > keep marginally on topic. > > Kevin > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 12:53:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77GpVq18135; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:51:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:51:24 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac (was Re: space station) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 2dfc7a82 aee23e9e cda7d9cb 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6181143C-C8F7-11D7-9756-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man was it trouble. They were like, "Sure, it installs in an M series Steinberger with no problems or routing." NOT. I had Gary Brawer install it and he did a great job. (Though, I have to buy only certain 9v batteries to fit in his battery compartments.) Looks factory. I did warm up to it. Not only was it an investment in money, but it was an investment in time learning how to tame it. I was hoping it would be like having a dedicated ebow for each string, but it is not. It's more like standing in front of a bank of full stacks but you're almost deaf. I spent a lot of time with right and left hand muting techniques to get it to do what I want. It's not something you can just plug into and "get" right off the bat. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 08:48 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 8/6/03 1:07 PM, msottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> Still keep an ebow close by, and I >> love my Sustainiac system coupled with a volume pedal. > > As I recall you were only mildly fond of the results with the > Sustainiac > when you first got it. Or was that just because of all the trouble it > took > to install it? I take it you've warmed to it? And is it the Sustainiac > or > the Fernandes system that you've got? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 13:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77GwAZ18885; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:58:04 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 773d2975 aee23e9e cda7d9cb 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1060272735.3f327a5f4bd31@www.webmail.westhost.com> Message-Id: <4FAE8C6A-C8F8-11D7-9756-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 09:12 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> As I recall you were only mildly fond of the results with the >> Sustainiac >> when you first got it. Or was that just because of all the trouble it >> took >> to install it? I take it you've warmed to it? And is it the >> Sustainiac or >> the Fernandes system that you've got? Sustainiac > I'd be curious to hear anyone else's opinion on the Sustainiac system > as > well. I installed one in a cheap Strat copy and its always seemed a > lot tamer > than I'd like; the sustain comes on kind of slowly and isn't as robust > as I'd > hoped (I wasn't too thrilled with the response of the Fernandes either > fwiw). I > know its installed correctly as I eventually sent the guitar in to be > looked at > and it was pronounced 'proper'. Really? Man when I turn that thing on the strings just howl! Could be my guitar, as it's a Steinberger M series.. I think EMG 98 at the bridge... don't remember. I'm always playing with the knob to get it close to the spot where it's between no feedback and harmonic feedback so I can get a more subtle sustain. Full clockwise and the strings just jump with not much attack time. Maybe it's the cheap strat copy. I've played around with GK2 equipped Fenders and I thought they SUCK. Even when I had my GK2 on my G&L (which I will put up against any Strat at any time) it didn't track nearly as well as it does on my Steinberger. Man I'm I happy they're making them again. > And of course, we all know that these sounds are going to be looped, > just to > keep marginally on topic. Well, it's feeding the guitar's signal back into itself... in a feedback loop. That's a loop. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 13:30:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77HRH322784; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:27:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:27:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: OT: Sustainiac Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:26:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c35d09$0e520150$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FAE8C6A-C8F8-11D7-9756-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h77HRGW22760 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone here have any thoughts on the acoustic version of the sustainiac? There are some resources out there on this topic and installations may vary, thoughts? Look here http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/feedbackgen/feedbackgen.html -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 09:12 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> As I recall you were only mildly fond of the results with the >> Sustainiac >> when you first got it. Or was that just because of all the trouble it >> took >> to install it? I take it you've warmed to it? And is it the >> Sustainiac or >> the Fernandes system that you've got? Sustainiac > I'd be curious to hear anyone else's opinion on the Sustainiac system > as > well. I installed one in a cheap Strat copy and its always seemed a > lot tamer > than I'd like; the sustain comes on kind of slowly and isn't as robust > as I'd > hoped (I wasn't too thrilled with the response of the Fernandes either > fwiw). I > know its installed correctly as I eventually sent the guitar in to be > looked at > and it was pronounced 'proper'. Really? Man when I turn that thing on the strings just howl! Could be my guitar, as it's a Steinberger M series.. I think EMG 98 at the bridge... don't remember. I'm always playing with the knob to get it close to the spot where it's between no feedback and harmonic feedback so I can get a more subtle sustain. Full clockwise and the strings just jump with not much attack time. Maybe it's the cheap strat copy. I've played around with GK2 equipped Fenders and I thought they SUCK. Even when I had my GK2 on my G&L (which I will put up against any Strat at any time) it didn't track nearly as well as it does on my Steinberger. Man I'm I happy they're making them again. > And of course, we all know that these sounds are going to be looped, > just to > keep marginally on topic. Well, it's feeding the guitar's signal back into itself... in a feedback loop. That's a loop. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 13:40:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77HbEv24085; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: OT: Sustainiac Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:37:07 -0400 Message-ID: <004901c35d0a$861efde0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <4FAE8C6A-C8F8-11D7-9756-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't forget that you can get increased sustain/feedback by touching your headstock to the speaker cabinet you are using. The poor man's sustainiac! I've found that the adjustments on both the sustainiac and the GK pickup make ALL the difference. A guitar that is properly set-up is paramount, considering that intonation, tuning stability, sustain, etc. are all products of the guitar as a whole. If you are having problems with sustain, lower your pickups and see if it improves. Some pickups produce enough of a magnetic field to kill decent sustain. Was this helpful? Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 15:10:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77J8Pq02119; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:08:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:08:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.22b4c501.2c63fd9f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:08:15 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h77J8PW02093 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Loopsters, In a message dated 8/7/03 10:27:38 AM, nospam@developsolutions.com writes: >Anyone here have any thoughts on the acoustic version of the sustainiac? Well, I've been using one of the original Model B units for about 20 years now. Hear samples of what that sounds like at: http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian Alan Hoover, a former LD list member is still in the biz and is now making a new and improved Model C version even as we speak. I spent a good deal of time in his booth at NAMM last January trying it out. As for the model B, I started using it before the in-the-guitar systems were available. However, I play a Gibson with humbuckers and am rather fond of my neck-position Duncan SH-2 "Jazz" pickup and never would've been willing to trade it out for something else to begin with. Plus the outboard Model B can be used on several of your instruments if you can attach a magnetic headstock bracket to them. This way you are not stuck with only having one particular dedicated "sustainiac" instrument. The Model B which I use is essentially a large(ish) stomp box with a 50 watt amp in it and footswitches on top for controlling it and knobs for adjusting things. Your guitar signal goes into the input and passes straight on through to one output that continues downstream to the rest of you signal chain just like before. There is another output though that sends you signal (much amplified) to a transducer held by magnetic clip installed on the back of your guitar's headstock. This little transducer (essentially a speaker coil without the paper cone) reintroduces the physical vibrations of what you are playing back into the body of the instrument. You don't have to play with distortion or anything to make it work. Just dial in the right amount of feedback "level" (usually the point where it just starts feeding back, but I take it just a little further and use my hands to control the excess vibration by the manner I hold the instrument neck and mute the strings at the bridge). My sustainiac is "on" about 90% of the time. If you hold both switches down the switches "latch" on instead of being in "momentary mode." I then toggle between even and odd harmonics with the footswitches as suits what I am playing. The new Model C that Alan is now making switches automatically between even and odd harmonic modes and works pretty darn well. The new box is smaller and uses a more efficient amplifier and a smaller, lighter transducer too. He also has worked up a new wiring system for connecting the unit to your guitar. I keep meaning to buy one as a spare for my original (I'd be lost without it) but as I am a family guy there keeps being other things to spend money on . . . like kids . . . and as the economy relay sucks right now, my business has been slow to nonexistent. So, no toys for Ted for a while (heheh). That should about cover it. For further questions go to: http://www.amptone.com/maniacsustainiac.htm Or write Alan Hover directly at: info@sustainiac.com He's a very nice fellow, super helpful and knowledgeable. Tell him I sent you and maybe he'll forgive me for not having bought that Model C yet like I told him I was going to do long before the economy crapped out on me (heheh). Anywho, tell him "Hi!" for me anyway. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 15:14:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77JAjP02617; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:10:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:04:03 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: space station To: David , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003901c35d17$91a8dde0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01eb01c35c54$e33c6460$cee5a344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: > If you are the owner of a Space Station and don't use it -- I'll buy it from > you. And if you're the OTHER owner of a Space Station, I'll buy the other one... at a reasonable price! Contact me at the e-mail address below. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 15:21:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77JJjc04092; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:19:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:19:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <33.3c69e9f8.2c64003b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:19:23 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h77JJiW04067 Resent-Message-ID: <8Dw06.A.z_.QZqM_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nuts, I just checked Alan's website and he's on vacation 'til August 26th. Also, I guess the Model C is still in the initial production phase and not quite available. His site has some really good info on the Model B at: http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm I probably should've directed folks there rather than try to explain it myself. Silly me. Silly me. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 16:39:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h77KbRg13280; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:37:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:37:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: OT: Sustainiac (was Re: space station) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:37:19 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001c01c35d23$b3031cb0$c800a8c0@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <6181143C-C8F7-11D7-9756-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > It's more like standing in front of a bank of full stacks but you're > almost deaf. ///// > not something you can > just plug into and "get" right off the bat. Like "playing incredibly loud" it should be regarded almost as an instrument of its own IMHO =) > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] > His site has some really good info on the Model B at: http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm Great page! Thanks for the tip, Ted! I would buy one if I had the money, but I'm afraid I don't. Actually I have played around a little with this type of acoutsic effect; I use to gaffa tape a minimal Marshall model, the size of two ciagette packages, to the body of my strat. This little practise amp is fed by a line output from the real stage amp and it gives about the same effect as the sustaniac. But I was really excited to read about the "Harmonic Enhance" function. I'd like to have both this function and the "auto-sense" routed through pedals instead of the knobs. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 20:33:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h780TKa06765; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:29:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: OT: Sustainiac Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c35d44$032e9690$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <15b.22b4c501.2c63fd9f@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h780TJW06742 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Ted As always you are one of those great resources we have here I had actually contacted Alan Hoover around 5/23 this year asking if he would sell me a leftover or refurbished model b. Essentially he said no and that it was possible but, that he prefered that I wait until the model c was released and buy one of those. I do wish he could have made the original projected deadline but, will wait and see if it comes available soon. Al Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac Hi there Loopsters, In a message dated 8/7/03 10:27:38 AM, nospam@developsolutions.com writes: >Anyone here have any thoughts on the acoustic version of the >sustainiac? Well, I've been using one of the original Model B units for about 20 years now. Hear samples of what that sounds like at: http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian Alan Hoover, a former LD list member is still in the biz and is now making a new and improved Model C version even as we speak. I spent a good deal of time in his booth at NAMM last January trying it out. As for the model B, I started using it before the in-the-guitar systems were available. However, I play a Gibson with humbuckers and am rather fond of my neck-position Duncan SH-2 "Jazz" pickup and never would've been willing to trade it out for something else to begin with. Plus the outboard Model B can be used on several of your instruments if you can attach a magnetic headstock bracket to them. This way you are not stuck with only having one particular dedicated "sustainiac" instrument. The Model B which I use is essentially a large(ish) stomp box with a 50 watt amp in it and footswitches on top for controlling it and knobs for adjusting things. Your guitar signal goes into the input and passes straight on through to one output that continues downstream to the rest of you signal chain just like before. There is another output though that sends you signal (much amplified) to a transducer held by magnetic clip installed on the back of your guitar's headstock. This little transducer (essentially a speaker coil without the paper cone) reintroduces the physical vibrations of what you are playing back into the body of the instrument. You don't have to play with distortion or anything to make it work. Just dial in the right amount of feedback "level" (usually the point where it just starts feeding back, but I take it just a little further and use my hands to control the excess vibration by the manner I hold the instrument neck and mute the strings at the bridge). My sustainiac is "on" about 90% of the time. If you hold both switches down the switches "latch" on instead of being in "momentary mode." I then toggle between even and odd harmonics with the footswitches as suits what I am playing. The new Model C that Alan is now making switches automatically between even and odd harmonic modes and works pretty darn well. The new box is smaller and uses a more efficient amplifier and a smaller, lighter transducer too. He also has worked up a new wiring system for connecting the unit to your guitar. I keep meaning to buy one as a spare for my original (I'd be lost without it) but as I am a family guy there keeps being other things to spend money on . . . like kids . . . and as the economy relay sucks right now, my business has been slow to nonexistent. So, no toys for Ted for a while (heheh). That should about cover it. For further questions go to: http://www.amptone.com/maniacsustainiac.htm Or write Alan Hover directly at: info@sustainiac.com He's a very nice fellow, super helpful and knowledgeable. Tell him I sent you and maybe he'll forgive me for not having bought that Model C yet like I told him I was going to do long before the economy crapped out on me (heheh). Anywho, tell him "Hi!" for me anyway. Best, tEd R kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 20:50:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h780lbH09189; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: ALESIS INEKO Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:47:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hansen said: yes, i usually use my ineko after my digitech rp 100 and then the signal goes into my rack. Just got the Ineko--so THAT'S how Scott gets that nausea-inducing pitch and time shifting warble! It's swell and I might use it for my solo act--the Vocalist sends line level anyway. And speaking of which--what vocal harmonizer can y'all recommend? This looks interesting . . . http://www.tc-helicon.tc/Default.asp?Id=248 Peace and love, Gary PS Too much gear G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 21:03:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7812Rc10500; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: ALESIS INEKO Reverse Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:02:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just tried it with the EDP using both for reverse--the Ineko is a fake reverse--sorta envelope filter thang--so the two go together rather well. Gary PS You can mute the dry signal on the Ineko, but it's not real reverse--the order of the notes doesn't change. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 21:37:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h781YZ414045; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:33:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c35d4d$2129d340$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c35d44$032e9690$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn users here anyone considering the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like 2.8 sec delay time seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost in the upgrade? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 23:04:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78322T22485; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:02:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:02:03 -0700 Subject: SF Bay area gig spam (Berkeley @ Tuva Space) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00ce01c356d3$07d8e910$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, Looping going on this Sunday and it's free! http://bayimproviser.com/ transbay_calendar.asp?summary=false&event_id=2804 I'm listed as 0crossing and we'll be going on at 12:45. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 7 23:50:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h783nVG30647; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:49:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030807215652.007a7100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:56:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: Boss RPS-10 Was Re: DigiTech DigiDelay pedal--cool! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can also rock the pedal back and forth quickly, and it gives you a turntable effect. Smiles, C-Quinn At 12:01 PM 8/6/03 -0400, you wrote: > >My fav. reverse delay pedal of all time is the Digi Space Station, which >offers many different options for mixing froward and reverse, including >reverse only, preset #10, the only one I use, but it's a classic. >Plus when you pedal down to activate #10, any audio present gets shifted >to create a wonderful, easily controlled whammy-down effect (or up if >you're going that way). >dc > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 01:26:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h785OQF07851; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:24:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:24:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JustinFobes@aol.com Message-ID: <42.3bd4c561.2c648dff@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:24:15 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.3bd4c561.2c648dff_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_42.3bd4c561.2c648dff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I've been a lurker, but no longer. My good friend, and Roland Sales Rep of the Year 2002, Joey Arata, uses a Fernandes Sustainer Equipped Strat style guitar. Even with his busy sales scheduling, he still gigs three or four times most weeks. Exceptional guitar player, and an exceptional man. After speaking with Joey at length about his guitar, I spoke to Fernandes today about the Sustainer. The current production package requires that you "have a 'single bar magnet, instead of individual pole piece' pickup in the bridge position." It only comes with a dual single bar magnet full sized humbucker, and, of course, I don't want to rout my beloved Paisley Strat, so the Tech suggested I wait until the new Japanese Production Facility is up and running, hopefully to have a new product out by Christmas that would suit my needs. The fella I spoke with said that in the meantime, Fernandes would sell no prototypes . . . The problem I've found with the Sustainiac series is Threefold: You must either have an extra box mounted to your headstock with a corresponding driver cable (Headstock Tether), or you must sacrifice your neck pickup to install the driver (No Woo Tone), or you must rout your neck pickup cavity to install a "Humbucker" sized mounting bracket (The Cardinal Vintage Guitar Sin). I'll be hunting Ebay for a cheapie Fernandes guitar that may be playable for some studio work I have lined up, unless anyone here has one they'd let go around $200, but I think I really want a Fernandes Kit that will fit my girl. :0) Please, if you have any suggestions . . . -Justin Fobes http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_42.3bd4c561.2c648dff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

I've been a lurker, but no longer.

My good friend, and Roland Sales Rep of the Year 2002, Joey Arata, uses a Fe= rnandes Sustainer Equipped Strat style guitar.  Even with his busy sale= s scheduling, he still gigs three or four times most weeks.  Exceptiona= l guitar player, and an exceptional man.  After speaking with Joey at l= ength about his guitar, I spoke to Fernandes today about the Sustainer. = ;

The current production package requires that you "have a 'single bar magnet,= instead of individual pole piece' pickup in the bridge position."  It=20= only comes with a dual single bar magnet full sized humbucker, and, of cours= e, I don't want to rout my beloved Paisley Strat, so the Tech suggested I wa= it until the new Japanese Production Facility is up and running, hopefully t= o have a new product out by Christmas that would suit my needs.  The fe= lla I spoke with said that in the meantime, Fernandes would sell no prototyp= es  . . .  

The problem I've found with the Sustainiac series is Threefold:

You must either have an extra box mounted to your headstock with a correspon= ding driver cable (Headstock Tether), or you must sacrifice your neck pickup= to install the driver (No Woo Tone), or you must rout your neck pickup cavi= ty to install a "Humbucker" sized mounting bracket (The Cardinal Vintage Gui= tar Sin). 

I'll be hunting Ebay for a cheapie Fernandes guitar that may be playable for= some studio work I have lined up, unless anyone here has one they'd let go=20= around $200, but I think I really want a Fernandes Kit that will fit my girl= .  :0)

Please, if you have any suggestions . . .

-Justin Fobes
http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_42.3bd4c561.2c648dff_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 01:33:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h785WVK09085; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:32:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:29:11 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c35d01$fcef5680$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard you play, Miko. What's your definition of moderately loud? Mark on 8/7/03 9:36 AM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@arczip.com wrote: > It can > get into uncontrollable mode with a good fuzz and standing close to a > moderately loud speaker. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 01:43:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h785eYi09990; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:40:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:40:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:40:30 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-409651606 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42.3bd4c561.2c648dff@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-12-409651606 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 10:24 PM, JustinFobes@aol.com wrote: > ..., or you must rout your neck pickup cavity to install a "Humbucker"=20= > sized mounting bracket (The Cardinal Vintage Guitar Sin).=A0 Not so, the driver looks like a regular single coil, no routing needed.=20= You might have to route to get the electronics and battery in though. =20= The driver pickup (or should I say output?) can actually function as a=20= kneck pickup and sounds pretty good. I actually really like it,=20 possibly better than the EMG that was there in a sense. Mark Sottilaro --Apple-Mail-12-409651606 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 10:24 PM, JustinFobes@aol.com wrote: Arial..., or you must rout your neck pickup cavity to install a "Humbucker" sized mounting bracket (The Cardinal Vintage Guitar Sin).=A0 Not so, the driver looks like a regular single coil, no routing needed. You might have to route to get the electronics and battery in though. The driver pickup (or should I say output?) can actually function as a kneck pickup and sounds pretty good. I actually really like it, possibly better than the EMG that was there in a sense. Mark Sottilaro --Apple-Mail-12-409651606-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 02:11:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7869vD14591; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3341A0.B1CF8148@erols.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 02:22:24 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) References: <000901c35d4d$2129d340$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn users here anyone considering > the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like 2.8 sec delay time > seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost in the upgrade? I'm considering the upgrade. I'm not sure if anything would be lost. 2.8 seconds delay would be great. You can loop a 1 bar phrase with it. Also, you can do a dotted quarter note delay, which I'd love to do. I believe you also get more filter types as well. I'm not sure if you'd get this in the upgrade, but you can tap delay times in as opposed to holding for one bar. That would make it a lot more usable in a situation with no MIDI clock for me. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 03:57:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h787shk23321; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:54:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:54:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F335A2F.90B6A12A@erols.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 04:07:11 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT: Roland GI-20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9BYnNB.A.QsF.Dd1M_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anybody using a Roland GI-20 pitch to MIDI converter? I already own a Roland Ready Strat that I use with a Roland VG-8. I'd like to be able to use the GI-20 to do MIDI sequencing with in my Pro Tools rig as well as triggering a JV-1010 and possibly Reason. Is anybody using it for these applications? How is the tracking? I've read that you can use an expression pedal with it. Can use you use it to control resonance and cutoff frequencies? Thanks in advance for the info, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 04:00:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h787xcR24017; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:59:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F335B56.54DD8E56@erols.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 04:12:06 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: cool tricks with the Korg ER-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I've been using the Korg ER-1 lately to process audio. It's one of the coolest features on it. I'll run a four bar chord progression out of Pro Tools into the ER-1 and then do all sorts of cool audio slicing with it. You can create neat flickering effects with it. You can also apply low end boost, decay, and panning to the incoming signal to mangle the sound. You can also ring modulate incoming audio with the onboard synth sounds to create all sorts of unique percussive sounds. Just felt like sharing. This might be interesting to all of you loop manglers out there. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 04:03:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78815o24366; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:01:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c35d83$3b2fe780$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:01:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've heard you play, Miko. What's your definition of moderately loud? Mark Well... ahem... a LOT softer than that! I really plead ignorance on that gig Mark... Someone should have walked over to the mains and turned them down. Unfortunately there are many who know me that still believe my intent IS to maim, so they assume I really *mean* for everything to be maxed, but that's not it at all! I can sound quite evil at very reasonable levels... 8-/ It's hell when you turn your monitors completely off and *still* get uncontrollable feedback! That was some gig. Solo and outta control with nowhere to run! > on 8/7/03 9:36 AM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@arczip.com wrote: > > It can get into uncontrollable mode with a good fuzz and standing close to a moderately loud speaker. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 04:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h788X6x26871; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JustinFobes@aol.com Message-ID: <46.3c241cae.2c64ba37@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:32:55 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46.3c241cae.2c64ba37_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_46.3c241cae.2c64ba37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/03 12:40:47 AM Central Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Not so, the driver looks like a regular single coil, no routing needed. > You might have to route to get the electronics and battery in though. > The driver pickup (or should I say output?) can actually function as a > kneck pickup and sounds pretty good. I actually really like it, > possibly better than the EMG that was there in a sense. > > Mark Sottilaro I'm sorry mark, I didn't make myself clear. : ) The driver in the Stealth Plus model apparently cannot function as both driver and pickup at the same time. The only way around it is to mount another pickup next to the driver, like a humbucker. They even offer a model with a mounting plate for it. My fav feedback tone is the neck pickup. I even gig sometimes with a little Fender Deluxe 5e3 up on a stool near me that I'll run offa the DL4's right output so's I can make it wail. Sorry if I sound boring! (But at least I brought us back on topic a bit by mentioning the loop box, ha!) -Justin Fobes http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ --part1_46.3c241cae.2c64ba37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/8/03 12:40:47 AM Central Daylight= Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

Not so, the driver looks like a= regular single coil, no routing needed.
You might have to route to get the electronics and battery in though. =
The driver pickup (or should I say output?) can actually function as a
kneck pickup and sounds pretty good.  I actually really like it,
possibly better than the EMG that was there in a sense.

Mark Sottilaro


I'm sorry mark, I didn't make myself clear.   : )

The driver in the Stealth Plus model apparently cannot function as both driv= er and pickup at the same time.  The only way around it is to mount ano= ther pickup next to the driver, like a humbucker.  They even offer a mo= del with a mounting plate for it.

My fav feedback tone is the neck pickup.  I even gig sometimes with a l= ittle Fender Deluxe 5e3 up on a stool near me that I'll run offa the DL4's r= ight output so's I can make it wail. 

Sorry if I sound boring!  (But at least I brought us back on topic a bi= t by mentioning the loop box, ha!)

-Justin Fobes
http://artists.= iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/
--part1_46.3c241cae.2c64ba37_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 07:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78BaX406294; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:36:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:36:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1060342584!718341 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB3BE@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:33:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35DA0.E51F9A70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35DA0.E51F9A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn users here anyone considering the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like 2.8 sec delay time seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost in the upgrade?<< is the increased delay time available as a looper/sampler? or is it just longer echoes? personally, I wouldn't be heartbroken to see the drum machine disappear in favour of a few more amp models; the ones that are there alreay are amongst the best and simplest-to-use I've heard (and I have a bass-pod and a v-amp). my mk1 isn't working properly at the moment; it won't record new presets. I have to send it to the doctor's..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35DA0.E51F9A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade)

>>I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn user= s here anyone considering
the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like = 2.8 sec delay time
seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost in the = upgrade?<<

is the increased delay time available as a looper/sampler= ? or is it just longer echoes?
personally, I wouldn't be heartbroken to see the drum ma= chine disappear in favour of a few more amp models; the ones that are there= alreay are amongst the best and simplest-to-use I've heard (and I have a b= ass-pod and a v-amp).

my mk1 isn't working properly at the moment; it won't rec= ord new presets. I have to send it to the doctor's.....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35DA0.E51F9A70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 09:30:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78DRMJ15833; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:27:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:27:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e7.ea8992d.2c64ff2f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:27:11 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h78DRLW15804 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, In a message dated 8/7/03 10:26:19 PM, JustinFobes@aol.com writes: >The problem I've found with the Sustainiac series is Threefold: >You must either have an extra box mounted to your headstock >with a corresponding driver cable (Headstock Tether) . . . Well, this is only a problem for some. I've never been the sort to jump and dance and run around the stage when I play anyway. Plus, the fact that the device is external means that I can use the same unit to ad the Sustainiac effect to every guitar I own to which I can put one of those magnetic headstock brackets on -- electric, acoustic, bass, whatever. I know that having that little extra cable dangling from the headstock does look a little odd -- heck, I look a little odd myself. But, I've never let that stop me. I appreciate the external sustainer (as opposed to the "stealth" models) as much for it's versatility and control as for anything else. Now, if I wasn't raised by fundamentalists and had a few cool dance moves happening, it'd be a different story (heheh). But, as it is, I can't even sing when I play -- let alone dance. Mostly, I just grimace and drool. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 10:23:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78ELjq21894; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:21:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:21:38 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46.3c241cae.2c64ba37@aol.com> Message-Id: <9FC1DCD4-C9AB-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h78ELhW21858 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are correct sir. However, as an owner of the stealth plus I wanted to point out that I thought the driver sounded pretty cool as a pickup. You can't have both though. Lucky for me I wasn't using the neck pickup much on my Steinberger. However, on my G&L running the neck and middle pickup together is my favorite tone. OK, maybe we're boring, but it's good to be feeding this repository of gear fetish knowledge. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 01:32 AM, JustinFobes@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/8/03 12:40:47 AM Central Daylight Time, > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > Not so, the driver looks like a regular single coil, no routing needed. > You might have to route to get the electronics and battery in though.  > The driver pickup (or should I say output?) can actually function as a > kneck pickup and sounds pretty good.  I actually really like it, > possibly better than the EMG that was there in a sense. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > I'm sorry mark, I didn't make myself clear.   : ) > > The driver in the Stealth Plus model apparently cannot function as > both driver and pickup at the same time.  The only way around it is to > mount another pickup next to the driver, like a humbucker.  They even > offer a model with a mounting plate for it. > > My fav feedback tone is the neck pickup.  I even gig sometimes with a > little Fender Deluxe 5e3 up on a stool near me that I'll run offa the > DL4's right output so's I can make it wail.  > > Sorry if I sound boring!  (But at least I brought us back on topic a > bit by mentioning the loop box, ha!) > > -Justin Fobes > http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Justin_Fobes/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 11:08:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78F2Wv26291; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:02:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:01:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c35dbe$00329430$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C35D9C.7920F430" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB3BE@LON-MAIL07> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0A04H.A.oaG.Iu7M_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C35D9C.7920F430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They like to refer to it like it is a looper/sample but, I think it is = more of a long delay. That would be nice when you only felt like carrying a = small rig. =20 Al Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 7:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) >>I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn users here anyone = considering the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like 2.8 sec delay = time=20 seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost in the upgrade?<<=20 is the increased delay time available as a looper/sampler? or is it just longer echoes?=20 personally, I wouldn't be heartbroken to see the drum machine disappear = in favour of a few more amp models; the ones that are there alreay are = amongst the best and simplest-to-use I've heard (and I have a bass-pod and a = v-amp). my mk1 isn't working properly at the moment; it won't record new = presets. 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is the increased delay time available as a = looper/sampler? or=20 is it just longer echoes?
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 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C35D9C.7920F430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 11:16:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78F9KQ27546; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:09:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:09:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:08:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c35dbe$f338a110$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3F3341A0.B1CF8148@erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h78F9KW27522 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, your impression is that it can behave as a looper not just a long delay with feedback set high? Some of the controls get changed that could be an area of potential loss. You lose the Attack and Delay controls which may not be all that much of a loss. Al Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) Alan Kroeger wrote: > I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn users here anyone > considering the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like > 2.8 sec delay time seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost in > the upgrade? I'm considering the upgrade. I'm not sure if anything would be lost. 2.8 seconds delay would be great. You can loop a 1 bar phrase with it. Also, you can do a dotted quarter note delay, which I'd love to do. I believe you also get more filter types as well. I'm not sure if you'd get this in the upgrade, but you can tap delay times in as opposed to holding for one bar. That would make it a lot more usable in a situation with no MIDI clock for me. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 12:28:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78GQHi07035; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:26:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:26:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:26:16 -0700 Subject: Loopy Gig Spam: The very last Charles Atlas show - tonight! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <08C062A0-C9BD-11D7-AADF-000393BAA0F6@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Delightful Loopers, For most of this year I've been playing with the instrumental band Charles Atlas. I love their mellow, loop-based, hypnotic sound and I've really enjoyed sitting in with them. Unfortunately the founding member of the band, Charles Wyatt, is moving to Brooklyn on Sunday. Tonight, at 964 Natoma, will be their very last performance. I've attached a link to a recent review of one of their shows at 964 - it's a good description of both their music and the venue, which go well together in my opinion. http://playinginfog.com/reviews/charlesatlas.html I have a broken left index finger, so although I still intend to play a solo set beforehand, it will consist mostly of ambient, slightly abstract cello (er, plus 2 repeaters!). Thanks very much. Best, Zoe Show information: Charles Atlas Black Forest / Black Sea (from Rhode Island). Zoe Keating (of Rasputina) 8:30pm 964 Natoma Street (between 10th and 11th) -dontations gleefully accepted but no one turned away for lack of funds -bring your own beverages more info at http://www.charles-atlas.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 13:02:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78H0dI11558; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:00:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F33681E.27B9@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:06:39 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT:EUB for sale References: <08C062A0-C9BD-11D7-AADF-000393BAA0F6@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I LOVE my new 12 string fretless bass from Mark Garza http://garzguitars.com All my spare time is going there So much so,in fact, that I'm going to sell my 6 string Moses Electric Upright Bass(along with the bow)It sounds great, looks space age,and folds up in a case thats smaller then a bass guitar.Oh,and yes,It has fret lines! I paid 4000 and would like to get 2500.Reply off list PEACE scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 13:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78HEWB13468; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:14:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:14:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F33DD5F.5C5276BF@erols.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:26:55 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) References: <001201c35dbe$f338a110$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > So, your impression is that it can behave as a looper not just a long delay > with feedback set high? Some of the controls get changed that could be an > area of potential loss. You lose the Attack and Delay controls which may not > be all that much of a loss. > > Al Kroeger > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) > > Alan Kroeger wrote: > > > I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn users here anyone > > considering the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like > > 2.8 sec delay time seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost in > > the upgrade? > > I'm considering the upgrade. I'm not sure if anything would be lost. 2.8 > seconds delay would be great. You can loop a 1 bar phrase with it. Also, > you can do a dotted quarter note delay, which I'd love to do. I believe you > also get more filter types as well. > I'm not sure if you'd get this in the upgrade, but you can tap delay > times in as opposed to holding for one bar. That would make it a lot more > usable in a situation with no MIDI clock for me. > > John > www.johnmazzarella.com I agree. I think that it would behave more like a long delay with high feedback. My impression is that it would work nice to loop smaller phrases in conjunction with a dedicated looper like an EDP or a Repeater. Personally, I use an EDP and I love syncing the Adrenalinn to it. The ability to loop a small phrase on the Adrenalinn as a seperate looper would be a nice little extra but not really a selling point if I didn't want the other features of the Adrenalinn. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 13:28:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78HORW14622; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:24:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:23:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c35dd1$d36a6860$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3F33DD5F.5C5276BF@erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h78HORW14598 Resent-Message-ID: <-5YgiD.A.VkD.Lz9M_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah that was the impression I got from the web page I too would love some phrase sampling capabilities for a scaled down rig (that would be awesome as the little bugger does a little bit to a lot of everything I want) :) Al Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) Alan Kroeger wrote: > So, your impression is that it can behave as a looper not just a long > delay with feedback set high? Some of the controls get changed that > could be an area of potential loss. You lose the Attack and Delay > controls which may not be all that much of a loss. > > Al Kroeger > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) > > Alan Kroeger wrote: > > > I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn users here anyone > > considering the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like > > 2.8 sec delay time seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost > > in the upgrade? > > I'm considering the upgrade. I'm not sure if anything would be lost. > 2.8 seconds delay would be great. You can loop a 1 bar phrase with > it. Also, you can do a dotted quarter note delay, which I'd love to > do. I believe you also get more filter types as well. > I'm not sure if you'd get this in the upgrade, but you can tap > delay times in as opposed to holding for one bar. That would make it > a lot more usable in a situation with no MIDI clock for me. > > John > www.johnmazzarella.com I agree. I think that it would behave more like a long delay with high feedback. My impression is that it would work nice to loop smaller phrases in conjunction with a dedicated looper like an EDP or a Repeater. Personally, I use an EDP and I love syncing the Adrenalinn to it. The ability to loop a small phrase on the Adrenalinn as a seperate looper would be a nice little extra but not really a selling point if I didn't want the other features of the Adrenalinn. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 14:13:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78IC3t20546; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:12:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c35dbe$00329430$0200a8c0@akadev.com> References: <000a01c35dbe$00329430$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:11:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Joel Harrison and Free Country Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -1 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I was lucky enough to be one of the about 10 people in the audience to hear Joel Harrison and his band Free Country last night, at Squirrels here in Corvallis, OR. He's in the middle of a West Coast tour supporting his new CD, and it seems that the tour hasn't gotten the publicity it deserves, so I thought I'd give a heads up to the list. Basically, if you like Frisell's recent discs, or Nels Cline's jazzier stuff, you will also dig this band. Harrison is an NYC-based guitarist with great, understated chops, and a surprisingly good voice. This band does avant jazz arrangements of country and folk standards, and as corny as that might sound, it really works well! Plus, there's actual looping content. Harrison uses a DL4 a lot to set up drones and loops of finger-picked guitar parts. His sax player, David Binney, uses a Boss SP202 sampler to capture and process live samples of the band, and does so better than just about anyone I've seen using the SP202. During one tune, where the band went into a dub feel, Binney did a really interesting live dub on the band just using the SP202 and a boss digital delay pedal. The band also includes an acoustic bassist and a drummer, both great players. The band will be at Jimmy Mak's in Portland tonight, in Olympia on 8/11, and Seattle on 8/12. For more details and other dates in the area, there's a schedule on his website http://www.joelharrison.com/ I really urge any NW loopsters to check this band out, I left the club last night totally inspired. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 14:28:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78IPAj22323; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.180.163] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: GNX3 info much needed Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:25:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2003 18:25:04.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[633642E0:01C35DDA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , i Know that people have discussed the Digitech GNX3 recently and i dont want ot repeat on anything too much but, i have a few questions that I would be very greatful ot have answered by someone who owns one, or has played with one from a looping point of view. 1. I need to know what functions are available live without stopping the track as it is playing 2. is there any of the following, reverse, half speed, insert (can i say, play a four bar beat then have that repeat three times while i record a 12bar bass part? or is the loop time set by the first loop. 3. is there an undo button that can be accesed by foot. 4 ive heard hat you can record differant instruments/sounds ect to diff tracks and then mute tracks (this paticularly interests me as i would always love to do that drum+bass thing where you build a song then all of a sudden knock out the drum tracks.) is this acchieved via foot controls hand bottons or menu systems, can it be done live in real time? 5.ive heard there is an extra set of foot pedals you can buy to maximise the loop functions anyone know what this adds? well thats about all really. i hope someone can help and that im not repeating any of what has been said before. see you all soon Phill _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 15:02:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78J0h526010; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:00:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:00:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c35ddf$45d34630$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001301c35dd1$d36a6860$0200a8c0@akadev.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h78J0hW25986 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was pondering this one for a bit and I hope I can make my question sound sensible to those tha might have an answer. The Adrenalinn has beat synced effects modulation, filtering and delay. Using the Adrenalinn with the drum machine these are some very interesting beat synched effects but, I don't actually want to use the drum machine. The question is whether there is such a thing as an inaudible Beat Sync or does it unfortunately have to be audible. Is this function in some devices and just lacking in the Adrenalinn because, I could possibly send the beat synce to the Adrenalinn from a capable MIDI device. Any Ideas or information I realize I might sound completely idiotic so patience please :) Al Kroeger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 15:03:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78J0Co25918; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:00:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:00:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:00:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_Wv_u.A.zUG.7M_M_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Assembled Loopers-- Well, I took the DigiDelay and my laptop to Starbucks for some coffee and noise--the laptop was to practice for a wedding I am doing tonight--no looping but I am doing a bunch of songs I don't know so thought I'd give it the "perform in public" litmus test--nothing too extravagant, but people's presence always puts ya off, ya know-- As far as the looper, it's great! For what it is, it rocks! And the battery hasn't crapped out yet--think I'll wait on the adapter, as I doubt this one will make it into my "pro" loop setup. So go make noise, y'all--and thanks for listening. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 15:06:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78J4PU27145; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:04:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:04:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c35de0$5aadc160$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <001901c35ddf$45d34630$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:07:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.226.36] at Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:04:16 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Al -- great question ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ? > I was pondering this one for a bit and I hope I can make my question sound > sensible to those tha might have an answer. The Adrenalinn has beat synced > effects modulation, filtering and delay. Using the Adrenalinn with the drum > machine these are some very interesting beat synched effects but, I don't > actually want to use the drum machine. The question is whether there is such > a thing as an inaudible Beat Sync or does it unfortunately have to be > audible. Is this function in some devices and just lacking in the Adrenalinn > because, I could possibly send the beat synce to the Adrenalinn from a > capable MIDI device. Any Ideas or information I realize I might sound > completely idiotic so patience please :) > > Al Kroeger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 15:46:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78JjFK00627; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:45:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Assembled Loopers-- >Well, I took the DigiDelay and my laptop to Starbucks for some coffee and >noise-- I think we're all mainly dying to know how long it took them to throw you out! ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 15:48:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78JlRb00990; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:47:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:47:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F3341A0.B1CF8148@erols.com> References: <000901c35d4d$2129d340$0200a8c0@akadev.com> <3F3341A0.B1CF8148@erols.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:47:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-Peak-Metrics: a.mail.peak.org 1191; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Score: -2 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: <6OdvOB.A.VP.O5_M_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Alan Kroeger wrote: > >> I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn users here anyone considering >> the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like 2.8 sec delay time >> seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost in the upgrade? > >I'm considering the upgrade. I'm not sure if anything would be lost. 2.8 >seconds delay would be great. You can loop a 1 bar phrase with it. Also, you >can do a dotted quarter note delay, which I'd love to do. I believe you also >get more filter types as well. > I'm not sure if you'd get this in the upgrade, but you can tap delay times >in as opposed to holding for one bar. That would make it a lot more usable in >a situation with no MIDI clock for me. > Where are you finding information on the upgrade? I just did a search, and it appears that rogerlinn.com is offline. Couldn't find any hits about an upgrade. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 15:49:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78JmC501124; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:48:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:48:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Joel Harrison and Free Country Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:48:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Dave-- Thanks for the heads-up on this--too bad I missed the Southern Cal date--Jeff on fiddle, yeah! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 15:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78JnQt01643; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:49:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:49:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Assembled Loopers-- >Well, I took the DigiDelay and my laptop to Starbucks for some coffee and >noise-- I think we're all mainly dying to know how long it took them to throw you out! ;) Jeff The truth is, nobody cared! Made a great ice-breaker tho. Bear in mind, I was outside. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 15:54:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78Jqf702174; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:52:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:52:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030808195240.19478.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <55OFNB.A.2h.J-_M_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > >Hi Assembled Loopers-- > >Well, I took the DigiDelay and my laptop to Starbucks for some coffee and > >noise-- > > I think we're all mainly dying to know how long it took them to throw > you out! ;) > > Jeff > > The truth is, nobody cared! Made a great ice-breaker tho. Bear in mind, I > was outside. What instruments did you play? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 15:57:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78Jse102573; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:54:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c35de6$cef32b90$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems to still be accessable to me try the link below it is not just about the upgrade but about the Adrenalinn II in general http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/01products/adren2.html Maybe this will help ?? Later Al Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) >Alan Kroeger wrote: > >> I think I recall there were a few Adrenalinn users here anyone >> considering the upgrade to Adrenalinn II? Some of the features like >> 2.8 sec delay time seem worth it any thoughts on what might be lost >> in the upgrade? > >I'm considering the upgrade. I'm not sure if anything would be lost. >2.8 seconds delay would be great. You can loop a 1 bar phrase with it. >Also, you can do a dotted quarter note delay, which I'd love to do. I >believe you also get more filter types as well. > I'm not sure if you'd get this in the upgrade, but you can tap >delay times in as opposed to holding for one bar. That would make it a >lot more usable in a situation with no MIDI clock for me. > Where are you finding information on the upgrade? I just did a search, and it appears that rogerlinn.com is offline. Couldn't find any hits about an upgrade. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 16:08:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78K6OX04422; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:06:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030808195240.19478.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg wondered: What instruments did you play? I bought one of those new Taylors with the expression pickup system--played that into the DigiDelay and out to a Minivox by Anchor Audio. It sounded pretty good! Had to boost the lows and cut the highs all the way on the Taylor to get the best sound tho--those Minvoxes are *not* very full range. Ahm smahlin, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 16:17:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78KGHG05919; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:16:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:16:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030808201614.49924.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > I bought one of those new Taylors with the expression pickup system--played > that into the DigiDelay and out to a Minivox by Anchor Audio. It sounded > pretty good! Had to boost the lows and cut the highs all the way on the > Taylor to get the best sound tho--those Minvoxes are *not* very full range. Cool! Sounds like a lot of fun. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 16:31:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78KTqE07655; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:29:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:29:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:29:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030808201614.49924.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8pUgNC.A.e3B.AhAN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool! Sounds like a lot of fun. Greg T'was--and the best part is, I didn't wear my welcome out, so I look forward to many early morning practices--who knows, I could get a gig out of it! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 16:55:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78Ks1R10056; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:54:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:54:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c35df0$5be6c350$5c852843@equinox> From: "Tim Cooper" To: References: Subject: Re: GNX3 info much needed Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:02:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's up Phill. I have had one of these gadgets for about a month so i'm happy to relate my experience > 1. I need to know what functions are available live without stopping the > track as it is playing if you already have a track playing, you can switch to "bank" mode to choose a new preset and tn switch back to record mode to lay it down. As you know, you get 8 tracks, but you can overdub on any of them as much as you want > 2. is there any of the following, reverse, half speed, insert (can i say, > play a four bar beat then have that repeat three times while i record a > 12bar bass part? or is the loop time set by the first loop. i guess the answer is no to all of these. : ( the loop time is definatley set by the first loop. It does kinda suck. I like to "beatbox" on the mic or slap my guitar around for a percussive first track, but an audience can get pretty bored of that when you have to do it for more than a couple bars. > 3. is there an undo button that can be accesed by foot. Yes. it works best after you have your first loop. While your recording you hit undo twice (to confirm) and you background track keeps playing recording only after the second tap. You could use undo during the first track, but then your loop time could be pretty f'd up. Best to hit stop, delete the track and start recording again when you get back the beginning of the part. > 4 ive heard hat you can record differant instruments/sounds ect to diff > tracks and then mute tracks (this paticularly interests me as i would always > love to do that drum+bass thing where you build a song then all of a sudden > knock out the drum tracks.) is this acchieved via foot controls hand bottons > or menu systems, can it be done live in real time? You can only record 2 tracks at once. Essentially your recording the mic on one side and the guitar on the other. The manual says you could use this feature to record a stereo signal and keep both sides independant, it would just require some careful balancing of the mic and guitar inputs so they're the same. I have not tried this... I have however layered, lets say, bass guitar vocal etc tracks and then pulled them out during performance. But, it does require bending over and hitting 1 of the 8 track buttons on the little recorder section of the unit. > 5.ive heard there is an extra set of foot pedals you can buy to maximise the > loop functions anyone know what this adds? The additional footpedal can handle all of the recording stuff. Its primary purpose is to allow you to use the original pedals to choose presets and use stompbox features, which would be an added convenience being that its a little difficult to switch modes quickly and accurately (you have to hit two pedals at once) I'm not sure i the additional pedal ($50) would handle pulling tracks in and out. Obviously i don't have it yet, but i plan to get it. I'll let you know Also, just to recap what i have read here on the loopers-delight list. The biggest disadvantage of using this pedal as a looper is that you can't adjust the decay or feedback rate of loops playing back. It would be great if you could have an old loop slowly fade away as you add new ones, but that does not seem to be possible. This leaves me with only a couple decent options for ending songs. 1) I'll just kick the stop button and strum a hard cord 2) bend over and turn off the tracks one at a time to deconstruct it 3) attach a volume pedal after the GNX3 and manually fade out whatever tracks are still playing Hope that helps! -- tim cooper -- http://www.timcoopermusic.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 16:55:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78KsWA10156; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:53:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8i8n3B.A.jeC.I4AN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Hi Assembled Loopers-- >> Well, I took the DigiDelay and my laptop to Starbucks for some coffee and >> noise-- > > I think we're all mainly dying to know how long it took them to throw > you out! ;) > > Jeff > > The truth is, nobody cared! Made a great ice-breaker tho. Bear in mind, I > was outside. > Gary > > you are bold-to go where others fear to tread goodonye s (hope ya didnt really drink the coffee tho'. friends dont let friends, ya know...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 17:08:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78L5Os11476; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:05:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:05:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F341380.275375DB@erols.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:17:52 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ? References: <001901c35ddf$45d34630$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Kroeger wrote: > I was pondering this one for a bit and I hope I can make my question sound > sensible to those tha might have an answer. The Adrenalinn has beat synced > effects modulation, filtering and delay. Using the Adrenalinn with the drum > machine these are some very interesting beat synched effects but, I don't > actually want to use the drum machine. The question is whether there is such > a thing as an inaudible Beat Sync or does it unfortunately have to be > audible. Is this function in some devices and just lacking in the Adrenalinn > because, I could possibly send the beat synce to the Adrenalinn from a > capable MIDI device. Any Ideas or information I realize I might sound > completely idiotic so patience please :) > > Al Kroeger Hey Al, I'm not sure if this answers your question, but here goes. I rarely ever use the Adrenalinn drum sounds. I shut them off.(The manual explains how to do this). The Adrenalinn will sync to MIDI clock coming from any device that sends it. I use my EDP as the MIDI master clock. EDP MIDI out to Adrenalinn MIDI in. I set up a one bar loop (sometimes silent, sometimes percussive) and the Adrenalinn syncs perfrectly. I've also used the Kork ER-1 drum machine, Pro Tools, and a Yamaha Motif as the MIDI master, and it works great. Hope that helps. Feel free to ask more. I love using the Adrenalinn with the EDP. It's become a staple of my live shows. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 17:57:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78LuVe17500; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:56:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:56:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:55:49 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c35df7$d45c4d30$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3F341380.275375DB@erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h78LuUW17478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your reply answers the question partially John I like the way you are using it. I am currently working out a reduced sized or small scale rig and the Adrenalinn fits very nicely into this scenario especially in the upgraded format which does indeed seem to operate as a mini Looper/Phrase Sample (check the sample on the page at http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/01products/adren2.html) I found one patch in particular in which the sequenced filter was very much influenced by the builtin drum machine pattern (which I don't use much but did on the occasion of this discovery). Now I know the Adrenalinn supports MIDI Clock Synch but the thing I believe that I am driving at is this does a MIDI note have to be audible to influence the sequenced filter in a beat synched effect. I know this seems almost ridiculous to ask but still I can't verify if the answer is definatively yes or no and I guess some further experimentation is going to be required including the one you recommended John. Damn this thing is good I use it with an electric violin and a mic'd acoustic violin. Thanks again John Al Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ? Alan Kroeger wrote: > I was pondering this one for a bit and I hope I can make my question > sound sensible to those tha might have an answer. The Adrenalinn has > beat synced effects modulation, filtering and delay. Using the > Adrenalinn with the drum machine these are some very interesting beat > synched effects but, I don't actually want to use the drum machine. > The question is whether there is such a thing as an inaudible Beat > Sync or does it unfortunately have to be audible. Is this function in > some devices and just lacking in the Adrenalinn because, I could > possibly send the beat synce to the Adrenalinn from a capable MIDI > device. Any Ideas or information I realize I might sound completely > idiotic so patience please :) > > Al Kroeger Hey Al, I'm not sure if this answers your question, but here goes. I rarely ever use the Adrenalinn drum sounds. I shut them off.(The manual explains how to do this). The Adrenalinn will sync to MIDI clock coming from any device that sends it. I use my EDP as the MIDI master clock. EDP MIDI out to Adrenalinn MIDI in. I set up a one bar loop (sometimes silent, sometimes percussive) and the Adrenalinn syncs perfrectly. I've also used the Kork ER-1 drum machine, Pro Tools, and a Yamaha Motif as the MIDI master, and it works great. Hope that helps. Feel free to ask more. I love using the Adrenalinn with the EDP. It's become a staple of my live shows. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 18:03:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78M1pX18506; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030808220150.93270.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: OT: Roland GI-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F335A2F.90B6A12A@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1674801405-1060380110=:93157" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1674801405-1060380110=:93157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I got one a few weeks ago, to get back into interactive computer music. When I last played around with that, I was using a Roland GR700, a Powerbook 160 (I think, it was a blazing 33MHz laptop) running Max, and a Yamaha FB01 module. Now I have the GI-20, my Fernandes Fretless Sustainer guitar with GK2, an iBook, and a PowerMac G4. Because of my interest in interactive music, speed and accuracy of MIDI guitar tracking is not a big deal to me (I have just enough keyboard chops to enter MIDI note data from keyboard controllersinto sequencers). So try to keep all this in mind as you read my further comments on the GI20. Because of my schedule of late, I've only been able to play with my setup once. The softsynth I chose for this session was SimpleSynth, a free Soundfont player. I ran it on my 700Mhz iBook, which still doesn't have an audio interface. I used the USB port to connect the GI-20 to my iBook. I thought the speed and accuracy of the tracking was reasonable, considering the iBook was running just CoreAudio. Also keep in mind, though, I'm not exactly Buckethead, so I couldn't play faster than the thing can track. Also keep in mind that SimpleSynth is a very, well, simple softsynth. I haven't tried it yet with a big, complicated patch from Max/MSP or the virtual analog Emagic synth that came with my Logic Audio Big Box. Paolo John Mazzarella wrote: Is anybody using a Roland GI-20 pitch to MIDI converter? I already own a Roland Ready Strat that I use with a Roland VG-8. I'd like to be able to use the GI-20 to do MIDI sequencing with in my Pro Tools rig as well as triggering a JV-1010 and possibly Reason. Is anybody using it for these applications? How is the tracking? I've read that you can use an expression pedal with it. Can use you use it to control resonance and cutoff frequencies? Thanks in advance for the info, John www.johnmazzarella.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I got one a few weeks ago, to get back into interactive computer music.  When I last played around with that, I was using a Roland GR700, a Powerbook 160 (I think, it was a blazing 33MHz laptop) running Max, and a Yamaha FB01 module.  Now I have the GI-20, my Fernandes Fretless Sustainer guitar with GK2, an iBook, and a PowerMac G4.  Because of my interest in interactive music, speed and accuracy of MIDI guitar tracking is not a big deal to me (I have just enough keyboard chops to enter MIDI note data from keyboard controllersinto sequencers).  So try to keep all this in mind as you read my further comments on the GI20.
 
Because of my schedule of late, I've only been able to play with my setup once.  The softsynth I chose for this session was SimpleSynth,  a free Soundfont player.  I ran it on my 700Mhz iBook, which still doesn't have an audio interface.  I used the USB port to connect the GI-20 to my iBook.  I thought the speed and accuracy of the tracking was reasonable, considering the iBook was running just CoreAudio.  Also keep in mind, though, I'm not exactly Buckethead, so I couldn't play faster than the thing can track.  Also keep in mind that SimpleSynth is a very, well, simple softsynth.  I haven't tried it yet with a big, complicated patch from Max/MSP or the virtual analog Emagic synth that came with my Logic Audio Big Box.
 
Paolo

John Mazzarella <jmazzarella@erols.com> wrote:
Is anybody using a Roland GI-20 pitch to MIDI converter?
I already own a Roland Ready Strat that I use with a Roland VG-8.
I'd like to be able to use the GI-20 to do MIDI sequencing with in my
Pro Tools rig as well as triggering a JV-1010 and possibly Reason. Is
anybody using it for these applications? How is the tracking? I've
read that you can use an expression pedal with it. Can use you use it
to control resonance and cutoff frequencies?

Thanks in advance for the info,
John
www.johnmazzarella.com


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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1674801405-1060380110=:93157-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 18:06:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78M5II19224; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:05:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:05:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030808220516.71582.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Cell phone gig (was Re: mac G5) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030806023450.62944.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1821410358-1060380316=:69658" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1821410358-1060380316=:69658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I should note that the phone I have in mind is a Handspring Treo 270, which is a combo phone/PDA. And what I have in mind for that is SpinPad, a Palm OS app that places its own "spin" on the step sequencer concept for live MIDI performance: http://www.minimusic.com/spinpad.html Paolo Paolo Valladolid wrote: --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:06 PM -0700 7/31/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > >I hope to be one of the first to play a gig with a > mobile phone. ;) I meant, the first in the DC area. :) > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1821410358-1060380316=:69658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I should note that the phone I have in mind is a Handspring Treo 270, which is a combo phone/PDA.  And what I have in mind for that is SpinPad, a Palm OS app that places its own "spin" on the step sequencer concept for live MIDI performance:
 
 
Paolo

Paolo Valladolid <paolovalladolid@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- Richard Zvonar wrote:
> At 2:06 PM -0700 7/31/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote:
>
> >I hope to be one of the first to play a gig with a
> mobile phone. ;)

I meant, the first in the DC area. :)

>

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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1821410358-1060380316=:69658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 18:10:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78M8Ui19922; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:08:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:08:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Joel Harrison and Free Country Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:07:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c35df9$814a5cc0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope I can get to check him and the band out if they perform on the East Coast thanks for the link Al Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Joel Harrison and Free Country Hey, I was lucky enough to be one of the about 10 people in the audience to hear Joel Harrison and his band Free Country last night, at Squirrels here in Corvallis, OR. He's in the middle of a West Coast tour supporting his new CD, and it seems that the tour hasn't gotten the publicity it deserves, so I thought I'd give a heads up to the list. Basically, if you like Frisell's recent discs, or Nels Cline's jazzier stuff, you will also dig this band. Harrison is an NYC-based guitarist with great, understated chops, and a surprisingly good voice. This band does avant jazz arrangements of country and folk standards, and as corny as that might sound, it really works well! Plus, there's actual looping content. Harrison uses a DL4 a lot to set up drones and loops of finger-picked guitar parts. His sax player, David Binney, uses a Boss SP202 sampler to capture and process live samples of the band, and does so better than just about anyone I've seen using the SP202. During one tune, where the band went into a dub feel, Binney did a really interesting live dub on the band just using the SP202 and a boss digital delay pedal. The band also includes an acoustic bassist and a drummer, both great players. The band will be at Jimmy Mak's in Portland tonight, in Olympia on 8/11, and Seattle on 8/12. For more details and other dates in the area, there's a schedule on his website http://www.joelharrison.com/ I really urge any NW loopsters to check this band out, I left the club last night totally inspired. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 18:28:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78MRSm21733; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:27:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:27:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Cell phone gig (was Re: mac G5) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c35dfc$6980db20$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030808220516.71582.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Paolo! Good to see another handheld-music lister here! (Others might want to check out http://www.crudites.org/soundventures/handheld-music.) I'm somewhat of a Palm/MIDI evangelist. Lot's of possibilities, there. I've got a Palm/MIDI program for the EDP on my website (www.greenteasoftware.com) and am busily writing another. I'm quite interested in any ideas you may have. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cell phone gig (was Re: mac G5) I should note that the phone I have in mind is a Handspring Treo 270, which is a combo phone/PDA. And what I have in mind for that is SpinPad, a Palm OS app that places its own "spin" on the step sequencer concept for live MIDI performance: http://www.minimusic.com/spinpad.html Paolo Paolo Valladolid wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 18:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78Mam822558; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:36:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:36:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Death by Starbucks Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:36:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <5h6cj.A.SgF._XCN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stanner postnoted: (hope ya didnt really drink the coffee tho'. friends dont let friends, ya know...) Hey, those indigenous people were going to be castrated whether I drank a cup or not 8 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h78NsRF28785; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:54:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:54:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c35e08$642fa820$0207a8c0@eskimo> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Death by Starbucks Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:54:16 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Relay" put forth: > Stanner postnoted: > (hope ya didnt really drink the coffee tho'. friends dont let friends, ya > know...) > > Hey, those indigenous people were going to be castrated whether I drank a > cup or not 8 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h790qdb01654; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:52:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:52:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:52:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Death by Starbucks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 80d057a1 aee23e9e cda7d9cb 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One can say what they like about Starbucks, and I'll avoid them when there is a better choice, but after driving across the US, I tell you when you're in the middle of nowhere and you see a Starbucks, you're pretty damn happy. Coffee across the rural US generally sucks and if it were not for Starbucks there would be little that I'd consider coffee at all. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 03:36 PM, Relay wrote: > Stanner postnoted: > (hope ya didnt really drink the coffee tho'. friends dont let friends, > ya > know...) > > Hey, those indigenous people were going to be castrated whether I > drank a > cup or not 8 Cheers, > G > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 20:59:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h790xDt02261; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Death by Starbucks Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:59:06 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c35e11$6f2c3910$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- >From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >Coffee across the rural US generally sucks and if >it were not for Starbucks there would be little that I'd consider >coffee at all. Geez - Starbucks and Real coffee in the same sentence :) I'm Cuban = I think I know what real coffee is and it sure doesn't smell like cinnamon or chocolate or vanilla or ... blah get the point :) The real question should be - how the hell did you stand it sitting in there looping with all that terrible and sweet smelling aroma bombarding you from all directions. I used to sit next to the coffee machine at work (yes they purchased their fubu starbucks mixes to make their yuppy coffee with) and I seriously had to ask to be moved - it got on my last nerve. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 21:21:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h791JrO04593; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:19:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Death by Starbucks Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:19:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35E14.54F9F4D0" Resent-Message-ID: <6P6K7B.A.oHB.5wEN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E14.54F9F4D0 Content-Type: text/plain Msottilaro said: >Geez - Starbucks and Real coffee in the same >sentence :) I'm Cuban = I think I know what >real coffee is and it sure doesn't smell >like cinnamon or chocolate or vanilla or >... blah get the point :)" Flavored lattes weren't invented by Starbucks. Neither were cappuccinos. Sounds to me like you don't know coffee. . . .but you REALLY know Cuban coffee. ;) As far as Starbucks goes, they give a lot back to the communities. Another cool thing is they often expose people to great music a person would not normal hear on the ClearChannel borg radio network (including lots of cool ambient, trance, and other music often inhabited by (you guessed it) LOOPERS), they work hard at being environmentally friendly. Granted, they usually offer more "accessible" trance and experimental music - but it is still loads better than my FM dial in South Florida. And they make a buttload of money. I guess shame on them for having a passion for good coffee and devising a formula to make it profitable. And despite the fact it is a coporate beheamoth, Starbucks has done more for the local coffee shops than anything in decades! Mom and pop coffee shops were dying breeds before Starbucks got everyone addicted to their morning shot of espresso. Any coffee shop makes tons more money on an espresso drink than a .75 cent plain cup of coffee. True mom & pop coffee shops are always my first choice - but it sure is great having Starbucks around every corner as my auxiliary caffeine support. (DISCLAIMER: Regional support for good mom & pop coffee shops varies. If I still lived in Seattle I would never visit a Starbucks. Down here in Naples/Ft Myers Florida, the few mom & pop coffee shops are terrible! I am therefore thankful for the handful of Starbucks coffee shops and the Barnes and Noble (OH NO! ANOTHER CORPORATE WHO0RE!) I have access to.) Msottilaro also said: >I used to sit next to the coffee machine > at work (yes they purchased their fubu >starbucks mixes to make their yuppy >coffee with) and I seriously had to ask >to be moved - it got on my last nerve. I purposely take coffe grinds and sprinkle them in my garbage can so I can enjoy the coffee smell in my office all day. Hehehe. I love the smell of good coffee. Doesn't everyone? Are you SURE you even like coffee? (By the way, it's only a paper garbage can. . .so I don't have to mix it in with rotting food! Hehehe.) -DM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E14.54F9F4D0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Death by Starbucks

Msottilaro said:
>Geez - Starbucks and Real coffee in the same =
>sentence :) I'm Cuban =3D I think I know what =
>real coffee is and it sure doesn't smell
>like cinnamon or chocolate or vanilla or
>... blah get the point :)"

Flavored lattes weren't invented by Starbucks. = Neither were cappuccinos. Sounds to me like you don't know coffee. . . = .but you REALLY know Cuban coffee. ;)

As far as Starbucks goes, they give a lot back to the = communities.

Another cool thing is they often expose people to = great music a person would not normal hear on the ClearChannel borg = radio network (including lots of cool ambient, trance, and other music = often inhabited by (you guessed it) LOOPERS), they work hard at being = environmentally friendly. Granted, they usually offer more = "accessible" trance and experimental music - but it is still = loads better than my FM dial in South Florida.

And they make a buttload of money. I guess shame on = them for having a passion for good coffee and devising a formula to = make it profitable.

And despite the fact it is a coporate beheamoth, = Starbucks has done more for the local coffee shops than anything in = decades! Mom and pop coffee shops were dying breeds before Starbucks = got everyone addicted to their morning shot of espresso. Any coffee = shop makes tons more money on an espresso drink than a .75 cent plain = cup of coffee.

True mom & pop coffee shops are always my first = choice - but it sure is great having Starbucks around every corner as = my auxiliary caffeine support.

(DISCLAIMER: Regional support for good mom & pop = coffee shops varies. If I still lived in Seattle I would never visit a = Starbucks. Down here in Naples/Ft Myers Florida, the few mom & pop = coffee shops are terrible! I am therefore thankful for the handful of = Starbucks coffee shops and the Barnes and Noble (OH NO! ANOTHER = CORPORATE WHO0RE!) I have access to.)

Msottilaro also said:
>I used to sit next to the coffee machine
> at work (yes they purchased their fubu
>starbucks mixes to make their yuppy
>coffee with) and I seriously had to ask
>to be moved - it got on my last nerve.

I purposely take coffe grinds and sprinkle them in my = garbage can so I can enjoy the coffee smell in my office all day. = Hehehe. I love the smell of good coffee. Doesn't everyone? Are you SURE = you even like coffee?

(By the way, it's only a paper garbage can. . .so I = don't have to mix it in with rotting food! Hehehe.)



-DM

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E14.54F9F4D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 21:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h791Vd105787; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: DJ WILLIAMS Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:31:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35E15.F977FBA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E15.F977FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain Did anyone get a chance to listen to this guy's stuff? http://www.soundclick.com/djwilliams I'm asking because I want to know if anyone on this list can recommend other musicians similar to this DJ Williams guy. I like his basic format. Like I said, it's a litttle repetitive for me, but what I want to do is loosely based on his format. Anyways, any suggestions for similar loop-based improvisational acoustic(-ish) jazz funk stuff I could check out/buy/and/or download? Thanks, Don M -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:53 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: DJ WILLIAMS Some good acoustic and electric live jazz/funk looping and stacking. A little repetitive for me (he uses a Line 6 DL4), but real good nonetheless. He's opened for Keller Williams, OAR and the like. You can hear a little Keller in his playing. Several downloads available: http://www.soundclick.com/djwilliams Good inspiration for me personally with my Boomerang. -DM ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E15.F977FBA0 Content-Type: text/html Message
Did anyone get a chance to listen to this guy's stuff?
 
 
I'm asking because I want to know if anyone on this list can recommend other musicians similar to this DJ Williams guy.
 
I like his basic format. Like I said, it's a litttle repetitive for me, but what I want to do is loosely based on his format.
 
Anyways, any suggestions for similar loop-based improvisational acoustic(-ish) jazz funk stuff I could check out/buy/and/or download?
 
Thanks,
 
Don M
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:53 PM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: DJ WILLIAMS

Some good acoustic and electric live jazz/funk looping and stacking. A little repetitive for me (he uses a Line 6 DL4), but real good nonetheless. He's opened for Keller Williams, OAR and the like. You can hear a little Keller in his playing.
 
Several downloads available:
 
 
Good inspiration for me personally with my Boomerang.
 
 
-DM
------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E15.F977FBA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 21:32:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h791VeJ05817; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:31:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:31:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:21:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35E14.9F090070" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E14.9F090070 Content-Type: text/plain So how did you utilize the 4 second looping? Rhythm and then solos? Did you tap out any percussion on the shell of the guitar? Details man! Hahaha. DM -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da Kine" Greg wondered: What instruments did you play? I bought one of those new Taylors with the expression pickup system--played that into the DigiDelay and out to a Minivox by Anchor Audio. It sounded pretty good! Had to boost the lows and cut the highs all the way on the Taylor to get the best sound tho--those Minvoxes are *not* very full range. Ahm smahlin, Gary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E14.9F090070 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by DigiTech is "Da = Kine"

So how did you utilize the 4 second looping? Rhythm = and then solos? Did you tap out any percussion on the shell of the = guitar?

Details man! Hahaha.

DM

-----Original Message-----
From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earth= link.net]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:06 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Starbucks Serenade--DigiDelay by = DigiTech is "Da Kine"


Greg wondered:

What instruments did you play?

I bought one of those new Taylors with the expression = pickup system--played that into the DigiDelay and out to a Minivox by = Anchor Audio.  It sounded pretty good!  Had to boost the lows = and cut the highs all the way on the Taylor to get the best sound = tho--those Minvoxes are *not* very full range. Ahm smahlin, = Gary

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E14.9F090070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 8 21:37:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h791aO306696; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:36:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:36:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: DJ WILLIAMS Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:36:16 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c35e16$a07799b0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C35DDB.F418C1B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C35DDB.F418C1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out "I'm Not A Gun" - great stuff with some loopy things in it. Contact me off list for a sample. -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:32 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: DJ WILLIAMS Did anyone get a chance to listen to this guy's stuff? http://www.soundclick.com/djwilliams I'm asking because I want to know if anyone on this list can recommend other musicians similar to this DJ Williams guy. I like his basic format. Like I said, it's a litttle repetitive for me, but what I want to do is loosely based on his format. Anyways, any suggestions for similar loop-based improvisational acoustic(-ish) jazz funk stuff I could check out/buy/and/or download? Thanks, Don M -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:53 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: DJ WILLIAMS Some good acoustic and electric live jazz/funk looping and stacking. A little repetitive for me (he uses a Line 6 DL4), but real good nonetheless. He's opened for Keller Williams, OAR and the like. You can hear a little Keller in his playing. Several downloads available: http://www.soundclick.com/djwilliams Good inspiration for me personally with my Boomerang. -DM ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C35DDB.F418C1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Check out “I’m Not A = Gun” – great stuff with some loopy things in it. Contact me off list = for a sample.

 

 

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Friday, August 08, = 2003 6:32 PM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: RE: DJ = WILLIAMS

 

Did anyone get a = chance to listen to this guy's stuff?

 

 

I'm asking = because I want to know if anyone on this list can recommend other musicians similar to = this DJ Williams guy.

 

I like his basic = format. Like I said, it's a litttle repetitive for me, but what I want to do is = loosely based on his format.

 

Anyways, any = suggestions for similar loop-based improvisational acoustic(-ish) jazz funk stuff I = could check out/buy/and/or download?

 

Thanks,

 

Don = M

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August = 06, 2003 2:53 PM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: DJ = WILLIAMS

Some = good acoustic and electric live jazz/funk looping and stacking. A little repetitive for me (he uses a Line 6 DL4), but real good = nonetheless. He's opened for Keller Williams, OAR and the like. You can hear a little = Keller in his playing.

 

Several = downloads available:

 

 

Good inspiration = for me personally with my Boomerang.

 

 

-DM=

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C35DDB.F418C1B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 00:32:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h794TkO25132; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c35e2f$c0f10280$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Ambient-TV Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:36:08 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On August 17th 1999 - Wally Jericho performed at the very first Ambient Ping night at Garvey's in Kensington Market. Literally *hundreds* of performances later, we're celebrating our Fourth Anniversary with 2 weeks of significant shows: bringing back its founding father Arnold Sprogis with Wally Jericho plus new performer but longtime patron Mike Holcer and on August 19th ARC, who formed at the Ping in 99, with perhaps our most unique artist, Alan Bloor aka Pholde & Knurl. Read the details below and enjoy the shows! ~ Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 12th - Ambient-TV >From Arnold Sprogis, the founder of The Ambient Ping, comes Ambient-TV. This is the 1st public performance since August 15th 2000 by Arnold after three years of reflection, refinement and experimentation. Ambient-TV broadcasts intoxicating and transcendent tapestries of electronica - immersive aural realms that move from apocalyptic noise to amorphous ethereal orbits, drifting into rhythmic passages energizing the spirit. Performing for Ambient-TV will be SPROG (guitar, synth), Wally Jericho (trumpet, looper, bass) www.wallyjericho.com and Mike Holcer (Polymorph synth, laptop) Between Sets CD - "Sanctum Sanctorum" by Numina Deep ambient bliss from Numina (Denver, Colerado artist Jesse Sola) - as washes of synths ebb and flow from lush expansiveness to luminous minimalism. http://www.frii.com/~numina . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Track 3 "Timeless" blends the two styles in an elegant mixture of melody and dreamscape ambience. Lovely work. Skip ahead to track 7, "Passages", where percolating tones play on the periphery of awareness, while a subtle droning melody floats underneath. Ahhhhhh... What more can be said? The artistry in this disc is undeniable. One can't help but be swept up in it's charms, enraptured by it's beauty. Check it out for yourself, I'm sure you'll agree. rik maclean - - rik@pingthings.com This month at http://www.pingthings.com - an exclusive interview with Mercurine plus the ping things *massive* first freaking anniversary sale... Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other sonic events in Toronto this week: * Sat afternoon Aug 9 - New Directions In Sound Art present the 5th Annual Sound Travels Octaphonic (8-channel) Electroacoustic Concert on Toronto Island - PWYC - Get the complete details at: http://www.soundtravels.ca/sound_travels_03.html If you love sound and sound-in-space - Don't miss this event! * This Sunday afternoon Aug 10, chillout at the beach as the Promise Cherry Beach Afternoon Soundsystem returns to youknowwhere. Infoline: 416.323.0361 * Friday Aug.15, 9pm REGEN3 / Regenerative Brainwave Music: ElectroBrainFunk at DECONISM Gallery, 330 Dundas St. West, REGEN3 will present the latest developments in EEG brainwave music research, by presenting an ensemble comprised of Toronto jazz musicians playing music which is driven and altered by the brainwaves of the audience. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 02:04:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79630j32592; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Using the DigiDelay to solo over--also Taylor Expression System Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:02:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don Makoviney had to know: >So how did you utilize the 4 second looping? Rhythm and then solos? Did you tap out any percussion on the shell of the guitar? >Details man! Hahaha. DM There are a couple of cool things about this pedal. One is that you can start record of the loop with a single press, that sends you into overdub as long as you hold the pedal down. Since I am pretty familiar with how long 4 seconds is at this point, I was able to construct phrases over which to solo, yah. That's pretty much what I do with loops-although I do try to use my imagination, I don't do what Andre for example does--or Matthias, although he seems to do a LOT. Sorta like what Claude Voit does, but again, these are highly actualized loopers. Ahm jus' an ol' country boy with too much gear . . . Hey, I played Red Wing at the Santa Cruz Y2K2 Feste-- The new Taylor seems to be good for the percussion thing! There was a thread a while back about how piezo equipped acoustics were not great for percussion, but this one is very live--the pickups are magnetic, and there are several, but it sounds very acoustic. Rupert Neve was involved in the pickup's development--it is something of a breakthrough, from what I understand. http://www.rupertneve.com/rupertneve_link.html Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 04:36:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h798Zmn10135; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 04:35:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 04:35:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c35e51$3992f4c0$0207a8c0@eskimo> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Death by Starbucks Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:35:38 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: Death by Starbucks ----- Original Message ----- Don Makoviney put forth: > As far as Starbucks goes, they give a lot back to the communities. Yeah, a Starbucks near the WTC nearly got mobbed after it was found out they wanted several hundred dollars from an ambulance company for bottled water given out on 9/11. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 06:06:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79A4xA14375; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 06:04:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 06:04:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c35e5d$b30cdd00$1b717ad5@vr1> From: "ishq" To: Subject: Re:cheap tape echo Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:05:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1Pki9.A.egD.LdMN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, can anyone recommend a small and relatively portable ( pedal size ?) unit for doing dub like tape echos and feedback loops....seems a lot to choose from....i just want something i can plug a samll synth into and do good Dub echos and mad fx...pitching crazy loops maybe . . .but above all portable and able to entertain me on stage ! cheers, matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 06:35:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79AYJB15855; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 06:34:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 06:34:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c35e61$cbef1d70$1b717ad5@vr1> From: "ishq" To: Subject: Re: Re:cheap tape echo Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:34:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, i meant to say i would love variable tape speed or time ?does anyone know if the headrush can do this well? best wishes, matt > Hi, > > can anyone recommend a small and relatively portable ( pedal size ?) > unit for doing dub like tape echos and feedback loops....seems a lot to > choose from....i just want something i can plug a samll synth into and do > good Dub echos and mad fx...pitching crazy loops maybe . . .but above all > portable and able to entertain me on stage ! > > cheers, > > matt > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 06:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79Agu816240; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 06:42:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 06:42:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Loopers search probs Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 06:42:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35E62.FD05D650" Resent-Message-ID: <1hy1iD.A.n9D.vANN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E62.FD05D650 Content-Type: text/plain Trying to do some searches and when I type a word (example "Boomerang") I get back tons of records. But if I then check off the RESTRICT MATCHED FILES setting and select some months, I get "Found 0 matches in 0 files. " Any thoughts why this would be happening? Thanks, Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E62.FD05D650 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loopers search probs

Trying to do some searches and when I type a word = (example "Boomerang") I get back tons of records. But if I = then check off the RESTRICT MATCHED FILES setting and select some = months, I get "Found 0 matches in 0 files. "

Any thoughts why this would be happening?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35E62.FD05D650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 07:46:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79BjWb19034; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:45:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:45:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: cheap tape echo Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:49:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c35e6c$492d72a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901c35e5d$b30cdd00$1b717ad5@vr1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Line6 DL4. The Headrush can't do it. There are in fact only a few things the Headrush does which the DL4 can't do. One are the four separate outputs of the Headrush (which come in handy if you want to use different effects on the different echo taps - but you'd need a big big mixer or a patchbay or a setup which limits you in your flexibility for this), the other one is of course the maximum delay time of ~21s... For Dub echoes, there is nothing better than the DL4, period. If you can get your fingers on one to try it out, give both the Roland Space Echo and the proprietary "Sweep Echo" a try! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: ishq [mailto:ishq@ishq.org] > Sent: Samstag, 9. August 2003 12:05 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re:cheap tape echo > > > Hi, > > can anyone recommend a small and relatively portable > pedal size ?) > unit for doing dub like tape echos and feedback > loops....seems a lot to > choose from....i just want something i can plug a samll synth > into and do > good Dub echos and mad fx...pitching crazy loops maybe . . > .but above all > portable and able to entertain me on stage ! > > cheers, > > matt > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 07:59:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79BwZT19704; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030809115828.91727.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 04:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re:cheap tape echo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001901c35e5d$b30cdd00$1b717ad5@vr1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8Wdcn.A.vzE.qHON_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like you want an Akai Headrush or a Line6 DL-4. They're both entry-level loopers with tape sim features; check 'em out at -t- --- ishq wrote: > can anyone recommend... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 08:05:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79C4ft20080; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030809120435.39480.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 05:04:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Re:cheap tape echo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003001c35e61$cbef1d70$1b717ad5@vr1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ishq wrote: > i meant to say i would love variable > tape speed or time ?does > anyone know if the headrush can do this well? if you mean simulating an analog echoplex's head gap adjustment for different delay times: yes if you mean pitch-shifting an existing loop by changing the virtual tape speed: no, you'd be better off with something like an old Digitech PDS-series. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 08:18:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79CGZb20786; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.181.211] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using the DigiDelay to solo over--also Taylor Expression System Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:16:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 12:16:29.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[100866C0:01C35E70] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for my money there are two good options for creating loops with the digidelay. 1.as mentioned,i use the body of the guitar as a drum to get backing on the loop function then add drones and stuff with ebow. 2. use one of the longer delay settings and get very ambient!!! this is fun cos you can play at 3 ish oclock on the repeat knob and get everything looping over then move to 5ish ocklock for sound on sound so you can solo without it being recorded, then when your ready for a change drop the feedback to 1 oclock and introduce some new beat or phrase as the last fades out, ive litterally gone on for an hour like this. Phill >From: "Relay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Using the DigiDelay to solo over--also Taylor Expression System >Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:02:54 -0700 > >Don Makoviney had to know: > >So how did you utilize the 4 second looping? Rhythm and then solos? Did >you >tap out any percussion on the shell of the guitar? > >Details man! Hahaha. >DM > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 08:42:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79CfTA22897; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:41:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:41:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.181.211] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GNX3 info much needed Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:41:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 12:41:23.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A7C0760:01C35E73] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the info on the GNX3 Tim............ Ive decided to spring for one in the next week or so. I'll be back to report my findings real soon! Phill _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 11:29:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79FSDm02370; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:28:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.187.95.111] X-Originating-Email: [martijn_2m@hotmail.com] From: "Martijn 2M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:cheap tape echo Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 15:28:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 15:28:02.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[D28C3E50:01C35E8A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there, The headrush is quite flexible when it comes to the 4 (virtual) heads, you can configure the levels of each head and also the distance and the overal flltering (it can get pretty spacey). But when you tweek th tempo in real time, the headrush does not change pitch of the delayed sound as real tape echo, or the DL4 will do. (which is why I am selling mine) Regards, Martijn >From: "ishq" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Re:cheap tape echo >Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:34:20 +0100 > >Hi again, > > i meant to say i would love variable tape speed or time ?does >anyone know if the headrush can do this well? > >best wishes, > >matt > > > > > > Hi, > > > > can anyone recommend a small and relatively portable ( pedal size >?) > > unit for doing dub like tape echos and feedback loops....seems a lot to > > choose from....i just want something i can plug a samll synth into and >do > > good Dub echos and mad fx...pitching crazy loops maybe . . .but above >all > > portable and able to entertain me on stage ! > > > > cheers, > > > > matt > > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 12:05:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79G4hK05943; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:04:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Re:cheap tape echo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's been a lot of talk about the DL4, and I've heard great things about it, both here and elsewhere. Does anyone own the rackmount version (the Echo Pro)? I assume it'd be just as nice as the stompbox version and then some. Anyone have any experience with it? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 12:18:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79GHaL07197; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:17:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:17:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.187.95.111] X-Originating-Email: [martijn_2m@hotmail.com] From: "Martijn 2M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:cheap tape echo Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 16:17:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 16:17:30.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB35F410:01C35E91] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI Jeff, I have no real experience with it, but past week I've studied the manual etc, because I am wanting to sell my DL4 and go rack mounted to the Echo Pro. I already have a FCB1010 midi footcontroller in my setup all the time, and that combined with the Echo Pro gives me much more flexibility then with the DL4. So it seems to me the most important advantages are : much more control (via midi) : more (99) presets, manipulating all the parameters separatly (DL4's foot controls are limited IMHO). And longer loop time : 60 seconds. If there is anybody in the 'neighborhood' of the Netherlands who wants to buy my DL4, let me know! (yeah I know, fat chance). Greetings, Martijn >From: Jeff Shirkey >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Re:cheap tape echo >Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:04:57 -0500 > > >There's been a lot of talk about the DL4, and I've heard great things about >it, both here and elsewhere. Does anyone own the rackmount version (the >Echo Pro)? I assume it'd be just as nice as the stompbox version and then >some. Anyone have any experience with it? > >Thanks, > >Jeff > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 12:28:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79GRj908294; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:27:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:27:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:27:43 -0700 Subject: Subject: RE: cheap tape echo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308091618.h79GIKb07290@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <673B16A8-CA86-11D7-9328-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3JEzYD.A.bBC.BESN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The other significant feature difference is that the Headrush allows you to set up a starting loop, overdub on top of that, and then when you've had enough, remove all the overdubs, taking you back to the starting loop. It's an "undo" that wipes everything except for your first patch (which can be silence if you want). Though for what the original poster was looking for, the DL-4 seems the obvious choice. TravisH On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 09:18 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Line6 DL4. The Headrush can't do it. There are in fact only a few > things the > Headrush does which the DL4 can't do. One are the four separate > outputs of > the Headrush (which come in handy if you want to use different effects > on > the different echo taps - but you'd need a big big mixer or a patchbay > or a > setup which limits you in your flexibility for this), the other one is > of > course the maximum delay time of ~21s... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 12:47:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79GjMN10203; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F35280E.AD711793@erols.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:57:50 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DJ WILLIAMS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8L-Yr.A.SfC.hUSN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don Makoviney wrote: > Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) Check out Keller Williams. He has a live album titled "Loop" that you might like. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 12:58:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79GwCg11199; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Subject: RE: cheap tape echo Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:58:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c35e97$6a3cd4b0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <673B16A8-CA86-11D7-9328-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like that feature and hate it. Sometimes I get so into what I am playing that I press the overdub button instead of the play button and wipe out the nice layers I have constructed :) I'm too used to the DL4 I guess. Regarding the DL4 vs. Echo Pro -- the DL4 is definitely easier to use and I've found that messing with the delay time to adjust the pitch sounds a lot better and is easier on the DL4 than it is on the Echo Pro. -----Original Message----- From: Travis [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subject: RE: cheap tape echo The other significant feature difference is that the Headrush allows you to set up a starting loop, overdub on top of that, and then when you've had enough, remove all the overdubs, taking you back to the starting loop. It's an "undo" that wipes everything except for your first patch (which can be silence if you want). Though for what the original poster was looking for, the DL-4 seems the obvious choice. TravisH On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 09:18 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Line6 DL4. The Headrush can't do it. There are in fact only a few > things the > Headrush does which the DL4 can't do. One are the four separate > outputs of > the Headrush (which come in handy if you want to use different effects > on > the different echo taps - but you'd need a big big mixer or a patchbay > or a > setup which limits you in your flexibility for this), the other one is > of > course the maximum delay time of ~21s... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 12:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79GwxN11360; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:58:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:58:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:58:59 -0700 Subject: Re: cheap tape echo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not worth the extra money. If you can find it for $199, like I did, get it. If you're looking to use it's MIDI synced delays, forget it. If you've got the feedback turned so that there's only a few repeats it works OK. After that your delays turn to mush. Kill the MIDI sync and then they sound fine. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 09:04 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > There's been a lot of talk about the DL4, and I've heard great things > about it, both here and elsewhere. Does anyone own the rackmount > version (the Echo Pro)? I assume it'd be just as nice as the stompbox > version and then some. Anyone have any experience with it? > > Thanks, > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 13:27:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79HPnT13371; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:25:25 -0500 Subject: Re: FS: some gear for sale From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3PkGnB.A.zQD.d6SN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah I am still debating about selling it. I don't have another synth like it. The only reason I was considering it was that I have seen them sell for about $2500 + on ebay lately. It is the best wind synth that I have. Steve On 8/5/03 8:09 PM, "Tom Ritchford" wrote: >> I may also sell a VL1m V2 for $2000, but not yet sure > > Wow! $2K! I have one of those lying around that I rarely use! > > It's a great piece of kit, mind you -- and they don't make 'em any > more -- a two-voice physical modelling wind synthesizer with a very > nice effects unit built in... if you play a wind synthesizer, this > is definitely the machine to have. > > /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 13:34:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79HXAC13952; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:33:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:33:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:33:05 -0500 Subject: FS: Looping Mixer From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone is interested, I am selling an Event EZ-BUS. It is excellent for many of the complicated routing combinations that seem to take place in the looping world. The EZ-Bus's mixer is basically a matrix mixer which means you can route any input to any output and you can save up to 32 different configurations. If you want to read more about it, you can go to www.event1.com. Anyway, I am trying to lighten my gear load and am interested in selling it for $450 or best offer. They list for $749 and Zzounds sells them for $599. You can check my ebay rating for username: sginn Please contact me off list at sginn@mac.com, if interested. Thanks, Steve Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 13:40:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79Hd7n14423; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Cheap Battery Powered Delays Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Depending on what you call cheap . . . I just got the DigiDelay, but the DL4 is better in a lot of ways. Notice how it has held its used value over the last couple of years? It's also "da kine" . . . I bounght one when my EDP first arrived, and took it back as I knew I would need to concentrate on the Echoplex, but maybe I should think about adding that to the busking setup (DUH!?). Dog days are here, enjoy them while you can . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 13:57:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79Htsc15922; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:56:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: cheap tape echo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Not worth the extra money. If you can find it for $199, like I did, get it. Did you pick yours up used, or did you just find a great deal on a new one? As for MIDI synched delays, I confess I don't even know what that is yet or how I'd use it--but it's obviously something to consider down the road. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 14:11:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79IAgt17092; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:10:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:10:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lexicon Vortex FS Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:10:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 18:10:35.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[87D4ED50:01C35EA1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all. I am selling all of my rack equipment except my echoplex. thought someone here might want my vortex. Lexicon Vortex perfect condition with the original box even and the A/B tap tempo box. $150.00 + shipping brand new POD XT Samson pl 1602 line mixer Mosvalve MV-962 power amp Modern Case Co. 12 sp tour rack blue Roland GR-30 and GK-2 peace -matt _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 14:13:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79IC6017282; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:12:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:12:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c35ea1$c0090cb0$07267ad5@vr1> From: "ishq" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:cheap tape echo Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:12:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , thanks to everyone for the great feedback on units , much appreciated...i think for live stuff the DL4 would be fine , as long as i can wig out with it into infinate repeat and stuff it will be cool...i do like the sound of 4 outs though for the studio ! always the way......... best wishes, matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 15:31:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79JUaj24519; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB 1010 MIDI CONTORLLER FS Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 14:30:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 19:30:30.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1AAC310:01C35EAC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a new in the box FCB 1010 MIDI Contorller with the EPROM upgrade installed for sale. $120 + shipping peace -matt _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 15:37:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79JaL925224; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: MIDI synched delays Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:36:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good example is--The Echoples Digital Pro sends out MIDI clock, and I have an effects setting on the MPX G2 such that it sets the delay time based on the size of the EDP loop. So if I change the loop size to 1 second on the EDP, the G2 changes its time too. Love those wacky robots . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 15:46:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79JjWt26184; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:45:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:45:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:45:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: MIDI synched delays Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Good example is--The Echoples Digital Pro sends out MIDI clock, and I have >an effects setting on the MPX G2 such that it sets the delay time based on >the size of the EDP loop. >So if I change the loop size to 1 second on the EDP, the G2 changes its time >too. Ah, I gotcha--at least in theory. I'd have to hear an example (and probably give it a spin myself...) to hear how it works in practice. Well, I've got an EDP and a TC G-Force. Any idea if the G-Force has MIDI synch? (Time to go grab the manual) I was mostly interested in the Echo pro for its modeling of various delay fx anyway, so if my G-Force has MIDI synch, then I'd be good to go. Thanks for your reply. 'Twas quite helpful. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 16:41:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79Kd9F32048; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:39:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:39:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:46:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Multi source pickups (was Taylor expression) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What Taylor is doing with their new expression pickup systems, though not what I'd consider revolutionary, is addressing the issue of multi-source pickups for guitar in a somewhat novel way. The practice of having multiple pickups on the guitar to broaden the tonal spectrum ( and to a degree, mask the individual pickup's weaknesses) has been around since before the late great Michael Hedges started banging on a Martin with a Sunrise and a pair of Frap piezo sensors. Taylor is doing it with small disc shaped magnetic sensors embedded in the neck and the sound board just below the bridge. The first one I tried had single coil hum (florescent light issues), but they have corrected that problem, and indeed sound very good. In a similar vein Rick Turner has been installing systems for people like David Crosby Jackson Browne, and Jeff Pevar that utilize the new D-Tar Timbre-line 18 volt piezo system coupled with a Duncan Mag mic. This gives a three source system of under saddle piezo, magnetc, and condenser mic. With a multi source system you simply have a wider pallet of tone colors, however it also requires more investment and a need for a mixer blender of some kind. I think one reason why people who play very percussively and/or aggressively on acoustic don't like under saddle pickups is most systems are underpowered. Every 9 volt powered system I've ever owned( Fishman matrix, takamine, ovation,b-band, highlander) has suffered the same problems when driven hard. They simply crap out in the high frequencies and sound tinny and compressed. The timbreline I had installed sounds fantastic no matter how hard I drive it. That being said, for those who want more body sound for percussive tapping either need to consider a multi-source system, or perhaps peizo sensors mounted to the underside of the guitar top (like Michael did with his Fraps). On a related note Rick Turner, Kevin Beller, and the design team at D-TAR have finally got a working model of The Mama Bear (working title),a very intriguing acoustic guitar processor that allows you to take an incoming acoustic pickup signal and apply various acoustic models (for lack of a better term) to that signal. In other words you can make your small body taylor sound like a dreadnaught, a parlor guitar, or archtop jazz, or jango style jazz guitar, etc.. I am on the list for beta testing so I may get a crack at one very soon. It will be unveiled at the Healdsburg Guitar Festival on Saturday August 16, with Lawrence Juber and Rick Turner, at the ungodly hour of 9 a.m. I'm gonna try to make it, or as Jimi Hendrix once told Dick Cavet, " every morning, I try to get up" Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 17:20:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79LK7f03425; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:20:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:20:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:20:05 -0700 Subject: Re: FCB 1010 MIDI CONTORLLER FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3F31073A-CAAF-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not to rain on your parade, but you know they sell from a dealer for $129 right? Mark On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 12:30 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > i have a new in the box FCB 1010 MIDI Contorller with the EPROM > upgrade installed for sale. > > $120 + shipping > > peace > -matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 19:50:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79NmD017846; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:48:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:48:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.18b79a52.2c66e232@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:48:02 EDT Subject: Midi Evolving? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ab.18b79a52.2c66e232_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ab.18b79a52.2c66e232_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw this blurb in the August issue of EQ magazine: Midi evolves? Imagine our surprise (and intrigue) when we saw this recent news post on macmusic.org: "The upcoming IEEE P1639 MIDI standard is coming! The IEEE Standard Association is preparing a general wrapping standard to unify by the end of the year MIDI transmission over Ethernet networks or IEEE 802.11 wireless devices. The standard is still based on the oldie-but-goodie --- well, sort of --- old MIDI standard. But now the interfacing is no longer linked to a particular hardware, so hasta la vista to the old 31,250 bits per second from the beginning of MIDI, and hello to 10 megabits of MIDI data per second." Stay tuned. fastening my seat belt, Tim F --part1_1ab.18b79a52.2c66e232_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saw this blurb in the August issue of EQ magazine:

Midi evolves?

Imagine our surprise (and intrigue) when we saw this recent news post on mac= music.org: "The upcoming IEEE P1639 MIDI standard is coming! The IEEE Standa= rd Association is preparing a general wrapping standard to unify by the end=20= of the year MIDI transmission over Ethernet networks or IEEE 802.11 wireless= devices. The standard is still based on the oldie-but-goodie --- well, sort= of --- old MIDI standard. But now the interfacing is no longer linked to a=20= particular hardware, so hasta la vista to the old 31,250 bits per second fro= m the beginning of MIDI, and hello to 10 megabits of MIDI data per second."=20= Stay tuned.

fastening my seat belt,

Tim F --part1_1ab.18b79a52.2c66e232_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 19:59:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h79Nvfx18626; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:57:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030809165809.0414bf60@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 16:59:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers search probs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2WCKYD.A.5iE.1pYN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you select four or less months, it works. Five or more and it doesn't. I don't know why. Damn that free software! kim At 03:42 AM 8/9/2003, Don Makoviney wrote: >Trying to do some searches and when I type a word (example "Boomerang") I >get back tons of records. But if I then check off the RESTRICT MATCHED >FILES setting and select some months, I get "Found 0 matches in 0 files. " > >Any thoughts why this would be happening? > >Thanks, > >Don M ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 21:51:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7A1p5828514; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:51:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:51:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Kyma Capybara 320 for sale Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:51:04 -0500 Message-ID: <019f01c35ee1$dc622d20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <013201c34ca5$6cd37ca0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok. this thing is up on ebay now. only posting here again because i hope a looper buys it. dennis' stuff (lck) is amazingly amazing... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2550543293&category=1287 ... > It is with great regret that i am selling my kyma system. > It's the basic Capybara 320 system with pci card. > > Check it out here if you haven't heard of it. > http://www.symbolicsound.com/brochure/index.html > > Buy Dennis Leas' excellent LCK (Looper Construction Kit) > http://www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm > and you will have the closest thing to an againinator this > world has to offer. ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 22:48:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7A2lTc00334; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:47:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: DJ WILLIAMS Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:47:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35EE9.BBF43300" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35EE9.BBF43300 Content-Type: text/plain Thanks John, but I mentioned in my email: "He's opened for Keller Williams, OAR and the like. You can hear a little Keller in his playing." So I am already familiar with Keller. Any other suggestions? (By the way, I love the stuff of yours I have heard!) Thanks, DM -----Original Message----- From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DJ WILLIAMS Don Makoviney wrote: > Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) Check out Keller Williams. He has a live album titled "Loop" that you might like. John www.johnmazzarella.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35EE9.BBF43300 Content-Type: text/html RE: DJ WILLIAMS

Thanks John, but I mentioned in my email:
"He's opened for Keller Williams, OAR and the like. You can hear a little Keller in his playing."

So I am already familiar with Keller.

Any other suggestions? (By the way, I love the stuff of yours I have heard!)

Thanks,

DM

-----Original Message-----
From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:58 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: DJ WILLIAMS




Don Makoviney wrote:

>    Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain)

Check out Keller Williams.  He has a live album titled "Loop" that you might like.

John
www.johnmazzarella.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C35EE9.BBF43300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 9 23:25:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7A3PE903922; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:25:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:25:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030810032507.54222.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:25:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Subject: RE: cheap tape echo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <673B16A8-CA86-11D7-9328-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis wrote: > The other significant feature difference is that the > Headrush allows > you to set up a starting loop, overdub on top of > that, and then when > you've had enough, remove all the overdubs, taking > you back to the starting loop. I love that feature, and wish it were an option on my other loopers. Last night I was doing a thing with a simple arpeggiated two-chord part as the bottom layer (about six seconds long), then building up a feedback-y harmonized lead part over it. Every other iteration, I'd double tap 'record', bringing it back to the base layer, then playing the lead part with a different harmony. This was going into the DL4, set to half speed, so I captured two repeats of the cycle (four of the base loop, with both versions of the top layer, about 24 seconds total)... Sure, the Headrush is pretty bare-bones, but it sounds good, and I find it very useful in complement with my other loopers. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 00:59:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7A4wVY12919; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:58:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F35D3E3.A7FED224@erols.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:10:59 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: acoustic guitar percussion tapping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "William R. Walker," wrote: > What Taylor is doing with their new expression pickup systems, though not > what I'd consider revolutionary, is addressing the issue of multi-source > pickups for guitar in a somewhat novel way. The practice of having multiple > pickups on the guitar to broaden the tonal spectrum ( and to a degree, mask > the individual pickup's weaknesses) has been around since before the late > great Michael Hedges started banging on a Martin with a Sunrise and a pair > of Frap piezo sensors. Taylor is doing it with small disc shaped magnetic > sensors embedded in the neck and the sound board just below the bridge. The > first one I tried had single coil hum (florescent light issues), but they > have corrected that problem, and indeed sound very good. In a similar vein > Rick Turner has been installing systems for people like David Crosby > Jackson Browne, and Jeff Pevar that utilize the new D-Tar Timbre-line 18 > volt piezo system coupled with a Duncan Mag mic. This gives a three source > system of under saddle piezo, magnetc, and condenser mic. With a multi > source system you simply have a wider pallet of tone colors, however it > also requires more investment and a need for a mixer blender of some kind. > I think one reason why people who play very percussively and/or > aggressively on acoustic don't like under saddle pickups is most systems > are underpowered. Every 9 volt powered system I've ever owned( Fishman > matrix, takamine, ovation,b-band, highlander) has suffered the same > problems when driven hard. They simply crap out in the high frequencies and > sound tinny and compressed. The timbreline I had installed sounds fantastic > no matter how hard I drive it. That being said, for those who want more > body sound for percussive tapping either need to consider a multi-source > system, or perhaps peizo sensors mounted to the underside of the guitar top > (like Michael did with his Fraps). On a related note Rick Turner, Kevin > Beller, and the design team at D-TAR have finally got a working model of > The Mama Bear (working title),a very intriguing acoustic guitar processor > that allows you to take an incoming acoustic pickup signal and apply > various acoustic models (for lack of a better term) to that signal. In > other words you can make your small body taylor sound like a dreadnaught, > a parlor guitar, or archtop jazz, or jango style jazz guitar, etc.. I am on > the list for beta testing so I may get a crack at one very soon. It will be > unveiled at the Healdsburg Guitar Festival on Saturday August 16, with > Lawrence Juber and Rick Turner, at the ungodly hour of 9 a.m. I'm gonna try > to make it, or as Jimi Hendrix once told Dick Cavet, > " every morning, I try to get up" > > Bill Walker On this topic. I use a Yamaha FPX-300 guitar. I bought it because it got great reviews for a gigging steel string acoustic for fingerpickers guitar. The string spacing is wider like a classical guitar, which is why I got it. One of the benefits is that it has an under saddle pickup and a in the body mic. You can blend the sounds. For percussive sounds to use in loops, I just raise the internal mics level a bit and it works great. Although, you do have to watch for feedback. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 01:08:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7A57bb13986; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:07:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:07:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F35D605.DFCC98C@erols.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:20:05 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DJ WILLIAMS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4wdTrB.A.ZaD.YMdN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don Makoviney wrote: > Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) Thanks for the compliment DM. Sorry that I over looked that you already were familiar with Keller. I'm not really familiar with anybody else that loops in that style. Hopefully, within the next few months I'll have some examples of my live looping up on my website. Not much like Keller, but it is singer/songwriter based looping. Sort of pop/rock/acoustic/electronica looping. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 04:12:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7A8Bac29268; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 04:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 04:11:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c35f16$ac631640$f916883e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <32.3c566dc7.2c614a68@aol.com> Subject: SF Bay gigs? Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:19:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <663Pr.A.MJH.34fN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, Last call to hopefully to get a gig in the SF Bay area mid Octoberish. I'm coming all the way out to California and would love to play any gigs around this time - don't need paying either! If you can't host a gig for me how about dropping me the phone no of possible looping venues? My stuff is sort of ethnic/lightly groovy atmospheric stuff -live guitars, (2 screwed together) with loops and samples, dictaphone, toys etc sprnkled with the odd, dodgy vocal technique. Cheers me dears, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 08:27:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ACQrV15439; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: da kine? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:26:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35F3A.ACC29100" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35F3A.ACC29100 Content-Type: text/plain Everyone keeps saying that. What does "da kine" mean? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35F3A.ACC29100 Content-Type: text/html da kine?

<newbie question>
Everyone keeps saying that. What does "da kine" mean?
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35F3A.ACC29100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 09:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ADjZj21940; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:45:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: da kine? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:49:28 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c35f46$3876e010$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bavarian for "the King"? Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Sonntag, 10. August 2003 14:27 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: da kine? Everyone keeps saying that. What does "da kine" mean? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 09:47:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ADkQ822305; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:46:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c35f45$c5633060$0207a8c0@eskimo> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: da kine? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:46:06 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C35F4E.21641200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <6zIE3.A.YcF.xykN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C35F4E.21641200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable da kine?You'll find this tasty item comes from Hawaii's Pidgin. One can = find what its roots are at: http://www.eyeofhawaii.com/Pidgin/pidgin.htm Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Makoviney=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 13:26:PM Subject: da kine? =20 Everyone keeps saying that. What does "da kine" mean?=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C35F4E.21641200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable da kine?
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C35F4E.21641200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 09:47:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ADl7p22419; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:47:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030810134700.17972.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 06:47:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: da kine? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hawaiian slang. Coupla meanings: 1) superlative, "the best", 'primo' or 2) Versatile word used to replace words that can't be remembered or are unknown while you are speaking. -t- --- Don Makoviney wrote: > Everyone keeps saying that. What does "da kine" > mean? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 12:37:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7AGMSp03728; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:22:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:22:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:22:29 -0700 Subject: Re: SF Bay gigs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c35f16$ac631640$f916883e@h1f5k1> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Places I like to play are ATA and 21 Grand. ATA's in SF and 21 Grand is in Oakland. Quick google searches should bring up information on how to contact them, but they're good people. Drop me an email and if I'm doing anything around that time we can do a show together. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 03:19 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Hi again, > Last call to hopefully to get a gig in the SF Bay area mid Octoberish. > I'm coming all the way out to California and would love to play any > gigs > around > this time - don't need paying either! > If you can't host a gig for me how about dropping me the phone no of > possible > looping venues? > My stuff is sort of ethnic/lightly groovy atmospheric stuff -live > guitars, > (2 screwed together) with loops and samples, dictaphone, toys etc > sprnkled > with the odd, dodgy vocal technique. > > Cheers me dears, > > Gareth > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 13:56:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7AHtvb12095; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:55:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c35f68$4dd5ca80$072d883e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: Subject: Re: SF Bay gigs? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:53:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's brilliant Mark - cheers mate. I'll give you a buzz closer to the time. Gareth > Places I like to play are ATA and 21 Grand. ATA's in SF and 21 Grand > is in Oakland. Quick google searches should bring up information on > how to contact them, but they're good people. Drop me an email and if > I'm doing anything around that time we can do a show together. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 03:19 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > > > Hi again, > > Last call to hopefully to get a gig in the SF Bay area mid Octoberish. > > I'm coming all the way out to California and would love to play any > > gigs > > around > > this time - don't need paying either! > > If you can't host a gig for me how about dropping me the phone no of > > possible > > looping venues? > > My stuff is sort of ethnic/lightly groovy atmospheric stuff -live > > guitars, > > (2 screwed together) with loops and samples, dictaphone, toys etc > > sprnkled > > with the odd, dodgy vocal technique. > > > > Cheers me dears, > > > > Gareth > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 15:18:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7AJHk620064; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:17:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:17:34 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001a01c35f74$0ee96e10$4a1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <000401c35d44$032e9690$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Can someone recommend a good device for bringing the audio signal down one or two octaves? I'm not interested in midi or hexaphonic guitar pickups as I want to transpose any audio source, not only guitar. Today I'm creating bass lines with the Repeater by pitching a track down, but I'm finding this strategy too slow in some musical situations. The best solution would be something that simply brings the audio down in pitch (without inducing latency) before it reaches the loopers. Then I could also use the EDP for bass lines as well as fading bass in and out with the feedback control. Long ago I owned some kind of "octavider" and this thing was actually ok IMO even for saxophone and voice, but unfortunately it disappeared when I lent it to a friend. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 15:18:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7AJHq220105; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:17:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:17:42 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001b01c35f74$12fa1450$4a1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <000401c35d44$032e9690$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Can someone recommend a good device for bringing the audio signal down one or two octaves? I'm not interested in midi or hexaphonic guitar pickups as I want to transpose any audio source, not only guitar. Today I'm creating bass lines with the Repeater by pitching a track down, but I'm finding this strategy too slow in some musical situations. The best solution would be something that simply brings the audio down in pitch (without inducing latency) before it reaches the loopers. Then I could also use the EDP for bass lines as well as fading bass in and out with the feedback control. Long ago I owned some kind of "octavider" and this thing was actually ok IMO even for saxophone and voice, but unfortunately it disappeared when I lent it to a friend. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 15:52:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7AJpZ723652; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:50:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? From: To: looper people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c35f74$0ee96e10$4a1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi, > > Can someone recommend a good device for bringing the audio signal down > one or two octaves? > > I'm not interested in midi or hexaphonic guitar pickups as I want to > transpose any audio source, not only guitar. Today I'm creating bass > lines with the Repeater by pitching a track down, but I'm finding this > strategy too slow in some musical situations. The best solution would be > something that simply brings the audio down in pitch (without inducing > latency) before it reaches the loopers. Then I could also use the EDP > for bass lines as well as fading bass in and out with the feedback > control. > > Long ago I owned some kind of "octavider" and this thing was actually ok > IMO even for saxophone and voice, but unfortunately it disappeared when > I lent it to a friend. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen i am a true believer in version 1(red) or 2(black) which were both done w/ IVL technowlogies ltd. software. it goes one octave down in real time for a great bassline-or 2 octaves down-same thing. it has other harmony patches, detunes,octaves up but i only use the octave down patch. never heard or used anything better. ymmv stain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 16:13:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7AKCPb25362; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:12:14 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001f01c35f7b$b157e710$4a1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0FOctC.A.KMG.pcqN_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > i am a true believer in version > 1(red) or 2(black) which were both done w/ IVL technowlogies > ltd. software. Thanks! I'check it out right away :-) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 17:52:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ALpuT02860; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:51:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:51:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <113.27524343.2c681872@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:51:46 EDT Subject: Re: da kine? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.27524343.2c681872_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_113.27524343.2c681872_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Slang for "The Kind", i.e. the best kind, you know, like Humboldt County skunkweed.. In a message dated 8/10/03 6:47:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > Hawaiian slang. > > Coupla meanings: 1) superlative, "the best", 'primo' > > or 2) Versatile word used to replace words that can't > be remembered or are unknown while you are speaking. > > -t- > > --- Don Makoviney wrote: > >Everyone keeps saying that. What does "da kine" > >mean? > > > --part1_113.27524343.2c681872_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Slang for "The Kind", i.e. the best kind, you know, li= ke Humboldt County skunkweed..


In a message dated 8/10/03 6:47:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo= .com writes:

Hawaiian slang.

Coupla meanings: 1) superlative, "the best", 'primo'

or 2) Versatile word used to replace words that can't
be remembered or are unknown while you are speaking.

-t-

--- Don Makoviney <don.makoviney@asg.com> wrote:
>Everyone keeps saying that. What does "da kine"
>mean?




 --part1_113.27524343.2c681872_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 10 18:47:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7AMkFD09294; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:46:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:46:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:46:13 -0700 Subject: EDP in a low-level effects loop From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7AMkEW09268 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking at picking up a Tech21NYC Trademark 10 as a VERY portable amp. The one complaint I've seen in reviews is that its effects loop has trouble being used with some effects because of the level at which it operates. Here are the specs: Effect Loop Input Impedance: 1M W Effect Loop Input Level:  approx. -20dBm Effect Loop Output Impedance: 1K W Effect Loop Output Level:  approx. -20dBm Will the EDP have any problems with this? Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 08:09:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BC6eZ11766; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:06:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: da kine? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:06:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36001.03D10690" Resent-Message-ID: <8pPL8C.A.u3C.Qb4N_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36001.03D10690 Content-Type: text/plain Yea but how do you pronounce it? "duh KEEN"? "duh KEENAY"? "duh KINE"? -DM -----Original Message----- From: Steve Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: da kine? You'll find this tasty item comes from Hawaii's Pidgin. One can find what its roots are at: http://www.eyeofhawaii.com/Pidgin/pidgin.htm Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Makoviney To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 13:26:PM Subject: da kine? Everyone keeps saying that. What does "da kine" mean? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36001.03D10690 Content-Type: text/html Message
Yea but how do you pronounce it?
 
"duh KEEN"?
 
"duh KEENAY"?
 
"duh KINE"?
 
 
-DM
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:46 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: da kine?

You'll find this tasty item comes from Hawaii's Pidgin.  One can find what its roots are at:
 
Steve Goodman
EarthLight Productions
*
http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week!
http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 13:26:PM
Subject: da kine?

<newbie question>
Everyone keeps saying that. What does "da kine" mean?
</newbie question>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36001.03D10690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 10:47:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BEj5131683; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:45:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:45:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-20.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1060612591!865595 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB3DB@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:33:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36015.850DF510" Resent-Message-ID: <5IHr7C.A.7uH.xv6N_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36015.850DF510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>does a MIDI note have to be audible to influence the sequenced filter in a beat synched effect?<< no. you can set the modulation source to come from quite a few different midi sources, including note numbers. providing these arrive on a channel (which is the adrenalinn's "base" channel) that's not audible by virtue of being in use by a synth module or whatever elsewhere in y'r midi rig, you'll get what you want. I found it made more sense to edit and use it's own sequencer for this purpose, and ran my fender VI through it to make a really nasty noise. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36015.850DF510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ?

>>does a MIDI note have to be audible to influence = the sequenced filter in a beat synched effect?<<

no. you can set the modulation source to come from quite = a few different midi sources, including note numbers. providing these arriv= e on a channel (which is the adrenalinn's "base" channel) that's = not audible by virtue of being in use by a synth module or whatever elsewhe= re in y'r midi rig, you'll get what you want. I found it made more sense to= edit and use it's own sequencer for this purpose, and ran my fender VI thr= ough it to make a really nasty noise.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C36015.850DF510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 10:59:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BEvs801052; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:57:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030811145746.24367.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: Cell phone gig (was Re: mac G5) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c35dfc$6980db20$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-462606679-1060613866=:24324" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-462606679-1060613866=:24324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's good to see somebody still working on Palm MIDI apps - I haven't heard much news lately - even miniMusic seems to be falling behind schedule. The handheld music list turned me on to GameBoy/Nanoloop, which in turn was my introduction to real-time step sequencing. What a brilliant UI... my 11-yr-old cousin improvised a sequence in five minutes after I showed him the basics. I like the idea of SpinPad because it's not limited to a certain number of steps. Very cool concept and I hope miniMusic brings out a full version in time. As far as ideas, I think Max for Palm OS would be cool. ;) Or at least some sort of MIDI controller UI construction kit. Paolo "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: Hey Paolo! Good to see another handheld-music lister here! (Others might want to check out http://www.crudites.org/soundventures/handheld-music.) I'm somewhat of a Palm/MIDI evangelist. Lot's of possibilities, there. I've got a Palm/MIDI program for the EDP on my website (www.greenteasoftware.com) and am busily writing another. I'm quite interested in any ideas you may have. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cell phone gig (was Re: mac G5) I should note that the phone I have in mind is a Handspring Treo 270, which is a combo phone/PDA. And what I have in mind for that is SpinPad, a Palm OS app that places its own "spin" on the step sequencer concept for live MIDI performance: http://www.minimusic.com/spinpad.html Paolo Paolo Valladolid wrote: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-462606679-1060613866=:24324 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
It's good to see somebody still working on Palm MIDI apps - I haven't heard much news lately - even miniMusic seems to be falling behind schedule.
 
The handheld music list turned me on to GameBoy/Nanoloop, which in turn was my introduction to real-time step sequencing.  What a brilliant UI... my 11-yr-old cousin improvised a sequence in five minutes after I showed him the basics.
 
I like the idea of SpinPad because it's not limited to a certain number of steps.  Very cool concept and I hope miniMusic brings out a full version in time.
 
As far as ideas, I think Max for Palm OS would be cool. ;)  Or at least some sort of MIDI controller UI construction kit.
Paolo

"Dennis W. Leas" <dennis@mail.worldserver.com> wrote:
Hey Paolo!

Good to see another handheld-music lister here! (Others might want to check
out http://www.crudites.org/soundventures/handheld-music.)

I'm somewhat of a Palm/MIDI evangelist. Lot's of possibilities, there.
I've got a Palm/MIDI program for the EDP on my website
(www.greenteasoftware.com) and am busily writing another. I'm quite
interested in any ideas you may have.

Dennis Leas
-----------
dennis@mail.worldserver.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:05 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Cell phone gig (was Re: mac G5)


I should note that the phone I have in mind is a Handspring Treo 270, which
is a combo phone/PDA. And what I have in mind for that is SpinPad, a Palm
OS app that places its own "spin" on the step sequencer concept for live
MIDI performance:

http://www.minimusic.com/spinpad.html

Paolo

Paolo Valladolid wrote:

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-462606679-1060613866=:24324-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 11:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BFUgV05713; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:30:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:30:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c3601d$6db21010$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C35FFB.E6A07010" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB3DB@LON-MAIL07> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C35FFB.E6A07010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks thats just what I wanted to hear =20 Al Kroeger -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Adrenalinn II (Upgrade) MIDI Beat Synch ? >>does a MIDI note have to be audible to influence the sequenced filter = in a beat synched effect?<<=20 no. you can set the modulation source to come from quite a few different midi sources, including note numbers. providing these arrive on a = channel (which is the adrenalinn's "base" channel) that's not audible by virtue = of being in use by a synth module or whatever elsewhere in y'r midi rig, = you'll get what you want. I found it made more sense to edit and use it's own sequencer for this purpose, and ran my fender VI through it to make a = really nasty noise. duncan/r.m.i.=20 *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C35FFB.E6A07010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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>>does a MIDI note have to be audible to = influence the=20 sequenced filter in a beat synched effect?<<

no. you can set the modulation source to come from = quite a few=20 different midi sources, including note numbers. providing these arrive = on a=20 channel (which is the adrenalinn's "base" channel) that's not audible = by=20 virtue of being in use by a synth module or whatever elsewhere in y'r = midi=20 rig, you'll get what you want. I found it made more sense to edit and = use it's=20 own sequencer for this purpose, and ran my fender VI through it to = make a=20 really nasty noise.

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 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C35FFB.E6A07010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 11:59:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BFvdT08660; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:57:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:57:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F37BD38.1879DBF8@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:58:48 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Handheld music... References: <20030811145746.24367.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4DFA7400F7AFE4F30E6AC0DB" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------4DFA7400F7AFE4F30E6AC0DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Handheld is good. I've been doing handheld shows live for a few years now using Minimusic's Beatpad on a Palm IIIc and a Nanoloop. Last year I played two shows for the PA Fringe Festival. An album of the ensuing mayhem (studio and live tracks) is now available along with free MP3s. MP3s at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/samples.htm Order the HandHeld Music CD online via paypal for only $10 at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/catalog.htm and pick up a Looper's Delight CD #1 while you're at it :) > Good to see another handheld-music lister here! (Others > might want to check out > http://www.crudites.org/soundventures/handheld-music.) > > I'm somewhat of a Palm/MIDI evangelist. Lot's of > possibilities, there. I've got a Palm/MIDI program for the > EDP on my website (www.greenteasoftware.com) and am busily > writing another. I'm quite interested in any ideas you may > have. > > > > Dennis Leas > ----------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Cell phone gig (was Re: mac G5) > > > I should note that the phone I have in mind is a Handspring > Treo 270, which > is a combo phone/PDA. And what I have in mind for that is > SpinPad, a Palm > OS app that places its ow! n "spin" on the step sequencer > concept for live > MIDI performance: > > http://www.minimusic.com/spinpad.html > > Paolo > > Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --------------4DFA7400F7AFE4F30E6AC0DB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Handheld is good.

I've been doing handheld shows live for a few years now using Minimusic's Beatpad on a Palm IIIc and a Nanoloop. Last year I played two shows for the PA Fringe Festival. An album of the ensuing mayhem (studio and live tracks) is now available along with free MP3s.

MP3s at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/samples.htm

Order the HandHeld Music CD online via paypal for only $10 at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/catalog.htm

and pick up a Looper's Delight CD #1 while you're at it :)
 
 

Good to see another handheld-music lister here! (Others might want to check out http://www.crudites.org/soundventures/handheld-music.)

I'm somewhat of a Palm/MIDI evangelist. Lot's of possibilities, there. I've got a Palm/MIDI program for the EDP on my website (www.greenteasoftware.com) and am busily writing another. I'm quite interested in any ideas you may have.


 
 
 

Dennis Leas
-----------
dennis@mail.worldserver.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:05 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Cell phone gig (was Re: mac G5)
 

I should note that the phone I have in mind is a Handspring Treo 270, which
is a combo phone/PDA. And what I have in mind for that is SpinPad, a Palm
OS app that places its ow! n "spin" on the step sequencer concept for live
MIDI performance:

http://www.minimusic.com/spinpad.html

Paolo

Paolo Valladolid wrote:
 

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
--------------4DFA7400F7AFE4F30E6AC0DB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 12:51:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BGnhl15299; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:49:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:49:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:49:32 -0700 Subject: Fwd: eigenradio... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-708994376 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: ba-newmus@ella.mills.edu To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Sybari-Trust: 4ea387fe aee23e9e cda7d9cb 00000104 From: msottilaro Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-708994376 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Many talk about trying to market their music to a larger audience, but the industrious people at MIT have put their CPU cycles where their money is and have come up with Statistically Optimal Music. Enjoy... Begin forwarded message: > "Eigenradio makes its optimal music by analyzing in real time dozens > of radio stations at once. When our bank of computers has heard enough > music, it will go to work on making more just like it. Since we listen > to so much music all the time, Eigenradio is always on and always > live. What you hear on Eigenradio is the best of the New Music, > distilled and de-correlated. One song on Eigenradio is worth at least > twenty songs on old radio." > > http://eigenradio.media.mit.edu/ --Apple-Mail-2-708994376 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Many talk about trying to market their music to a larger audience, but the industrious people at MIT have put their CPU cycles where their money is and have come up with Statistically Optimal Music. Enjoy... Begin forwarded message: Arial"Eigenradio makes its optimal music by analyzing in real time dozens of radio stations at once. When our bank of computers has heard enough music, it will go to work on making more just like it. Since we listen to so much music all the time, Eigenradio is always on and always live. What you hear on Eigenradio is the best of the New Music, distilled and de-correlated. One song on Eigenradio is worth at least twenty songs on old radio." Arial0000,0000,FFFFhttp://eigenradio.media.mit.edu/ --Apple-Mail-2-708994376-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 12:58:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BGtYF15979; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:55:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:55:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:02:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Per, At one time I had a Digitech IPS 33B, a rack mount harmony proccessor that did everything from simple octave up and octave down, to full on diatonic three part harmonies, to whammy effects, to deep space station like ambient effects. Essentially, a beer budget Eventide harmonizer. The model that came after that was DHP55 that allowed up to five part harmonies, so you could do instrumental boy band harmonies!(Yikes!) I agree with Stan that the whammy pedal is a good bet if you want something on the floor. Also, the boss octaver would be a worthy candidate, much more worthy than Arnold Schwarzenegger (hardy har har har!). And last but not least, if you can locate a used Boss VF1 half rack proccessor, that has some very useable pitch transposition functions, not to mention a fairly convincing frettless bass model and a host of other cool effects both conventional, (reverb, chorus, delay) and non- conventional (VG8 style modeling,psuedo synth sounds, and ring modulation). Michael Manring turned me on to the VF1, the last time he played in Santa Cruz, and I found one used on ebay for pretty cheap. The VF1 is a half rack 24 bit device with plenty of headroom, clean transparent sound, and a dedicated hi-Z input on the front for guitar or bass. A very deep box. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 13:17:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BHEoP18475; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:14:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: c663ed4d aee23e9e cda7d9cb 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4D433345-CC1F-11D7-A280-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tell you, I've been down this road so many times, and no matter what I can't really love any pitch shifting octave divider devices. The best I've heard was a Roland VG8 (it tracked perfectly and didn't have a noticeable latency), but you said you don't want a GK2 solution. I find now that I'll drag out a real bass guitar and the lug is worth it. Yesterday, I played a gig in Berkeley where I did all the bass parts by hand using the pads of an E-MU XL-7. They're a bit spongy, but they're velocity sensitive and have after-touch. I thought it went really well and it was nice not to have to bring a separate synth module. The XL-7's got 3 sets of stereo outputs so I could route some sounds directly to the PA, and others to my Repeater. Best of both worlds. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 10:02 AM, William R. Walker, wrote: > Hello Per, At one time I had a Digitech IPS 33B, a rack mount harmony > proccessor that did everything from simple octave up and octave down, > to > full on diatonic three part harmonies, to whammy effects, to deep space > station like ambient effects. Essentially, a beer budget Eventide > harmonizer. The model that came after that was DHP55 that allowed up to > five part harmonies, so you could do instrumental boy band > harmonies!(Yikes!) I agree with Stan that the whammy pedal is a good > bet if > you want something on the floor. Also, the boss octaver would be a > worthy > candidate, much more worthy than Arnold Schwarzenegger (hardy har har > har!). And last but not least, if you can locate a used Boss VF1 half > rack > proccessor, that has some very useable pitch transposition functions, > not > to mention a fairly convincing frettless bass model and a host of other > cool effects both conventional, (reverb, chorus, delay) and non- > conventional (VG8 style modeling,psuedo synth sounds, and ring > modulation). > Michael Manring turned me on to the VF1, the last time he played in > Santa > Cruz, and I found one used on ebay for pretty cheap. The VF1 is a half > rack > 24 bit device with plenty of headroom, clean transparent sound, and a > dedicated hi-Z input on the front for guitar or bass. A very deep box. > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 13:59:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BHuXF23821; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:56:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:56:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <11.16f28747.2c6932ca@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:56:26 EDT Subject: Re: da kine? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11.16f28747.2c6932ca_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11.16f28747.2c6932ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I might be out of the loop on this (please don' t hurt me) but I always thought it was just duh KINE like that doob is MINE, sport. Pass it over to me. In a message dated 8/11/03 5:07:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, don.makoviney@asg.com writes: > Yea but how do you pronounce it? > > "duh KEEN"? > > "duh KEENAY"? > > "duh KINE"? > > > -DM > > --part1_11.16f28747.2c6932ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might be out of the loop on this (please don' t hurt= me) but I always thought it was just duh KINE like that doob is MINE, sport= .

Pass it over to me.


In a message dated 8/11/03 5:07:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, don.makoviney@a= sg.com writes:

Yea but how do you pronounce it?
 
"duh KEEN"?
 
"duh KEENAY"?
 
"duh KINE"?
 

-DM



 --part1_11.16f28747.2c6932ca_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 14:22:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BIJ8427037; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:19:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030811181906.53247.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: FCB 1010 MIDI CONTORLLER FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F31073A-CAAF-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9U_HCB.A.SmG.c49N_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $114 new from Full Compass. --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Not to rain on your parade, but you know they sell from a dealer for > $129 right? > > Mark > > On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 12:30 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > > > i have a new in the box FCB 1010 MIDI Contorller with the EPROM > > upgrade installed for sale. > > > > $120 + shipping > > > > peace > > -matt > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 14:22:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BIL6q27487; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:21:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:21:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: da kine? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:20:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <11.16f28747.2c6932ca@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8jUWhB.A.XtG.R69N_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh God another drug related thread . . . And to think I'm responsible for it-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: da kine? I might be out of the loop on this (please don' t hurt me) but I always thought it was just duh KINE like that doob is MINE, sport. Pass it over to me. In a message dated 8/11/03 5:07:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, don.makoviney@asg.com writes: Yea but how do you pronounce it? "duh KEEN"? "duh KEENAY"? "duh KINE"? -DM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 15:08:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BJ5jP00810; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:05:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:05:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c3603b$6798a5e0$3264f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308111447.h7BEl8c32019@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: any tips for audio pitched down device............ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:04:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Per, In my limited scope, there are no devices that pitch down in real time without latency except for the extrememly pricey pieces of gear like the Orville. My vocal 300 by digitech does it and what I do to get around it is I record my bass line first , stepping down on my 'percieved' downbeat (which is, in all actuallity) 'ahead' of the latency of the actual note, but then when I truncate at the percieved next downbeat, the loop is perfect.................Does this communicate well? Then I go ahead and listen to the loop and layer onto it. The red whammy by digitech does the same thing and there is a really fairly high fidelity intelli-shifter by BOSS in a stomp box pedal that does a good job of harmonization and even has definable (and very inside, harmonically) intelligent harmony. I got mine for about $160 USD. Good luck with the faux bass lines.................I use them all the time. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 15:43:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BJfuT04743; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:41:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:41:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004101c3603b$6798a5e0$3264f93f@global> References: <200308111447.h7BEl8c32019@hemlock.violacea.com> <004101c3603b$6798a5e0$3264f93f@global> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:30:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: re: any tips for audio pitched down device............ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:04 PM -0700 8/11/03, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >In my limited scope, there are no devices that pitch down in real >time without latency except for the extrememly pricey pieces of gear >like the Orville. There is always some latency - it's a law of physics. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 16:13:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BKA9Y07479; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:10:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.202.106.68] X-Originating-Email: [gsteidinger@msn.com] From: "Greg Steidinger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gibson echoplex Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:10:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2003 20:10:03.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CB74710:01C36044] Resent-Message-ID: <43kfCD.A.t0B.hg_N_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have noticed several companies (musicians friend) have discontinued the gibson echoplex. Is gibson still manufacturing it ? It is still on there web site (gibson's) Is there any planned replacement ? regards Greg _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 16:38:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BKaPI10279; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:36:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:36:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030811133331.0240cf48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:38:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: gibson echoplex In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:10 PM 8/11/2003, Greg Steidinger wrote: >I have noticed several companies (musicians friend) have discontinued the >gibson echoplex. Is gibson still manufacturing it ? It is still on there web >site (gibson's) the original echoplex was recently replaced with the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. I'm not sure why you think it is discontinued. If you go to Musician's Friend and type in "Echoplex" for a search, it comes right up and their web site says it's in stock and on sale for $799. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030811133042063192037243371687/g=home/search/detail/base_id/100450 kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 17:02:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BL0Mc13145; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: gibson echoplex Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:00:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030811133331.0240cf48@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint pointed out that the EDP is in stock and on sale for $799. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030811133042063192037243371687/g=hom e/search/detail/base_id/100450 kim The link works as he suggested--and may I say that this is a pretty good no-hassle price. Go get em! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 17:17:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BLDfF14694; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:13:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: gibson echoplex Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c3604d$5712e430$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7BLDeW14670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And if you go to http://www.gibson.com down on the bottom right side it say Echoplex Digital Pro which leads you to http://www.gibsonechoplex.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: gibson echoplex -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint pointed out that the EDP is in stock and on sale for $799. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030811133042063192037243371687/g=hom e/search/detail/base_id/100450 kim The link works as he suggested--and may I say that this is a pretty good no-hassle price. Go get em! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 17:37:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BLZsY17244; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:35:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:35:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: gibson echoplex Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:35:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2003 21:35:47.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[873937B0:01C36050] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wouldn't call a musician's friend a place for no-hassle purchases at all... Perhaps you meant to say "the hassle's free"? :> bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: RE: gibson echoplex > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint pointed out that the EDP is > > in stock and on sale for $799. > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030811133042063192037243371687/g=hom > e/search/detail/base_id/100450 > > kim > > The link works as he suggested--and may I say that this is a pretty good > no-hassle price. > Go get em! > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 18:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BM7B720388; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:07:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:07:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: gibson echoplex Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:07:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c36054$e5d47010$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, any company associated with Guitar Center is a bust to be sure. They hire people that are idiots driven by pushing product out the door at the highest price possible. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: sserendipity [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gibson echoplex I wouldn't call a musician's friend a place for no-hassle purchases at all... Perhaps you meant to say "the hassle's free"? :> bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: RE: gibson echoplex > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint pointed out that the EDP is > > in stock and on sale for $799. > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030811133042063192037243371687/g =hom > e/search/detail/base_id/100450 > > kim > > The link works as he suggested--and may I say that this is a pretty good > no-hassle price. > Go get em! > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 18:08:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BM5d120259; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:05:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:05:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.db6ea7e.2c696d25@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:05:25 EDT Subject: LAST IMAGINARY SOUNDS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my ears begin to smile when i find a new SCOTT HANSEN cd in my mailbox.....THANKS SCOTT!!!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 18:13:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BMCKV20988; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:12:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:12:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:11:14 -0700 Subject: Re: LAST IMAGINARY SOUNDS From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1c9.db6ea7e.2c696d25@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > my ears begin to smile when i find a new SCOTT HANSEN cd in my > mailbox.....THANKS SCOTT!!!.....michael > yeah-ditto-i'm playing it now and people are knocking on my walls and to me that is a good sign:-) THANKS SCOTT. ston From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 18:27:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BMP5M22119; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:25:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:25:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:24:58 -0700 Subject: Re: gibson echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: d5834997 aee23e9e cda7d9cb 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002501c36054$e5d47010$7f613d44@soulfruit> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, but if you wait for their "Blem" specials, they really can't be beat. The last piece of gear I got from them was $429 regularly $599 and there was not a scratch on it. On the other hand, I've had nightmares dealing with them as well. Then again, I've had nightmares dealing with little local music places as well. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 03:07 PM, Will Brake wrote: > Yea, any company associated with Guitar Center is a bust to be sure. > They hire people that are idiots driven by pushing product out the door > at the highest price possible. > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sserendipity [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: gibson echoplex > > > I wouldn't call a musician's friend a place for no-hassle purchases at > all... Perhaps you meant to say "the hassle's free"? :> > > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with > some > Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, > and > I > could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Relay" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:00 PM > Subject: RE: gibson echoplex > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kim Flint pointed out that the EDP is >> >> in stock and on sale for $799. >> >> > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/ > sid=030811133042063192037243371687/g > =hom >> e/search/detail/base_id/100450 >> >> kim >> >> The link works as he suggested--and may I say that this is a pretty > good >> no-hassle price. >> Go get em! >> Gary >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 18:48:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BMlPZ24235; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:47:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:47:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030811224722.26129.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: gibson echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if the MF "blem" specials are the same things they sell in their clearance outlet store in Kansas City, which I visited last weekend, but if so, you might not be getting the greatest deal. Or maybe the stuff in that store are the items that are so bad that they can't even sell 'em as "blems". Worst bunch of overpriced junk I've seen lately. I don't mind buying something broken...IF it's a good deal, but 10% off retail for a combo guitar amp with a broken cabinet (and who knows what else wrong) is NOT a good deal. This stuff wasn't discounted heavily to make it worth my money, for it's condition. OTOH, the visit wasn't a total waste of time, since, since there appeared to be patterns in some pieces of gear. Like finding a pile of one particular brand of guitar preamps, all of which with problems like "no power" or something like that. One could safely conclude that these didn't have the best reliability record (or that it was hard for the vendor to return them to the mfg, who knows?). Greg --- msottilaro wrote: > I agree, but if you wait for their "Blem" specials, they really can't > be beat. The last piece of gear I got from them was $429 regularly > $599 and there was not a scratch on it. On the other hand, I've had > nightmares dealing with them as well. Then again, I've had nightmares > dealing with little local music places as well. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 03:07 PM, Will Brake wrote: > > > Yea, any company associated with Guitar Center is a bust to be sure. > > They hire people that are idiots driven by pushing product out the door > > at the highest price possible. > > > > Respect > > > > Will Brake > > Soul Fruit Electronics > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sserendipity [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:36 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: gibson echoplex > > > > > > I wouldn't call a musician's friend a place for no-hassle purchases at > > all... Perhaps you meant to say "the hassle's free"? :> > > > > > > bIz > > > > ------------ > > http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with > > some > > Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, > > and > > I > > could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > > ------------ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Relay" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:00 PM > > Subject: RE: gibson echoplex > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kim Flint pointed out that the EDP is > >> > >> in stock and on sale for $799. > >> > >> > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/ > > sid=030811133042063192037243371687/g > > =hom > >> e/search/detail/base_id/100450 > >> > >> kim > >> > >> The link works as he suggested--and may I say that this is a pretty > > good > >> no-hassle price. > >> Go get em! > >> Gary > >> > >> > >> > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 19:00:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BMxcR25421; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:59:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3822C8.6889727@erols.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:12:08 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "William R. Walker," wrote: > Hello Per, At one time I had a Digitech IPS 33B, a rack mount harmony > proccessor that did everything from simple octave up and octave down, to > full on diatonic three part harmonies, to whammy effects, to deep space > station like ambient effects. Essentially, a beer budget Eventide > harmonizer. The model that came after that was DHP55 that allowed up to > five part harmonies, so you could do instrumental boy band > harmonies!(Yikes!) I agree with Stan that the whammy pedal is a good bet if > you want something on the floor. Also, the boss octaver would be a worthy > candidate, much more worthy than Arnold Schwarzenegger (hardy har har > har!). And last but not least, if you can locate a used Boss VF1 half rack > proccessor, that has some very useable pitch transposition functions, not > to mention a fairly convincing frettless bass model and a host of other > cool effects both conventional, (reverb, chorus, delay) and non- > conventional (VG8 style modeling,psuedo synth sounds, and ring modulation). > Michael Manring turned me on to the VF1, the last time he played in Santa > Cruz, and I found one used on ebay for pretty cheap. The VF1 is a half rack > 24 bit device with plenty of headroom, clean transparent sound, and a > dedicated hi-Z input on the front for guitar or bass. A very deep box. > Bill I use a Boss HR-2 Harmonist Pedal for my Pitch down stuff. I play a Yamaha FPX-300 acoustic guitar and I use the Harmonist Pedal to play bass lines with it. I was unhappy with the latency at first. Here is the trick for me to getting to to sounds better. 1. I use the EQ on the guitar. I turn down the treble and I boost the bass. 2. I also use the fleshy part of my thumb to pluck the line. (using a pick tended to make the latency more apparent) Doing this in combination with octave down pedal helps to make convincing bass lines. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 19:02:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BN0ut26355; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:00:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F382317.F1DF0082@erols.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:13:27 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "William R. Walker," wrote: > Hello Per, At one time I had a Digitech IPS 33B, a rack mount harmony > proccessor that did everything from simple octave up and octave down, to > full on diatonic three part harmonies, to whammy effects, to deep space > station like ambient effects. Essentially, a beer budget Eventide > harmonizer. The model that came after that was DHP55 that allowed up to > five part harmonies, so you could do instrumental boy band > harmonies!(Yikes!) I agree with Stan that the whammy pedal is a good bet if > you want something on the floor. Also, the boss octaver would be a worthy > candidate, much more worthy than Arnold Schwarzenegger (hardy har har > har!). And last but not least, if you can locate a used Boss VF1 half rack > proccessor, that has some very useable pitch transposition functions, not > to mention a fairly convincing frettless bass model and a host of other > cool effects both conventional, (reverb, chorus, delay) and non- > conventional (VG8 style modeling,psuedo synth sounds, and ring modulation). > Michael Manring turned me on to the VF1, the last time he played in Santa > Cruz, and I found one used on ebay for pretty cheap. The VF1 is a half rack > 24 bit device with plenty of headroom, clean transparent sound, and a > dedicated hi-Z input on the front for guitar or bass. A very deep box. > Bill Is the Boss VF-1 useable as a vocal processor if I ran it in the aux send of my mixer? Reverb, delay, etc? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 19:04:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BN2G227423; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:02:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002501c36054$e5d47010$7f613d44@soulfruit> References: <002501c36054$e5d47010$7f613d44@soulfruit> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:02:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: RE: gibson echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yea, any company associated with Guitar Center is a bust to be sure. >They hire people that are idiots driven by pushing product out the door >at the highest price possible. I agree Re: GC. However, is there really a difference between the big music dealers--esp. when it comes to price? I have a good relationship with my salesperson at Sweetwater, for instance, because I feel like I get excellent pre-sales advice, and I know I can get great support and service post-sale. But are their prices necessarily any better than GC/Musician's Friend, Sam Ash, and so on? Not that I can tell. How do you folks make your gear purchase decisions? From whom do you buy? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 19:04:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7BN3DO27947; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: gibson echoplex Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030811224722.26129.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I jump in again-- The second EDP I purchased came from GC--the first from Sweetwater. Pretty sure I paid the same price--however, I had to be aggressive at GC. And unless I am mistaken, it wasn't more than $700--so this $799 price is right in there . . . How much you got 'em for at Alto, Jon? Oh heck, just get them from him for goodness sake! http://www.altomusic.com/index2.htm Gary PS Everything's coming up roses, loop wise--stay tuned--had Harvey Starr over last night to help me celebrate my birthday (51 today!) We jammed a little and he set up some sensor pads on my doubleneck Ztar to implement the MIDI sequencer--when the PC editor for the same (IF?) is created, I'll be stylin'--but IT WILL STILL SOUND LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE-- oh well . . . And lastly, been listening to See What again and will have a commentary on the first track to post soon--better late than never . . . Gary PPS bIz, where's the MiniZ? G > On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 03:07 PM, Will Brake wrote: > > > Yea, any company associated with Guitar Center is a bust to be sure. > > They hire people that are idiots driven by pushing product out the door > > at the highest price possible. > > > > Respect > > > > Will Brake > > Soul Fruit Electronics > > >On Monday, August 11, 2003 at 5:36 PM sserendipity wrote: > > > > I wouldn't call a musician's friend a place for no-hassle purchases at > > all... Perhaps you meant to say "the hassle's free"? :> > > > > > > bIz Kim Flint pointed out that the EDP is > >> > >> in stock and on sale for $799. > >> > >> > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030811133042063192037243371687/g=hom e/search/detail/base_id/100450 > >> > >> kim > >> > >> The link works as he suggested--and may I say that this is a pretty > > good > >> no-hassle price. > >> Go get em! > >> Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 21:08:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C17Kg08066; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030812010713.3690.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:07:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: gibson echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- 'Twas wroten: > >Yea, any company associated with Guitar Center is a > bust to be sure. > >They hire people that are idiots driven by pushing > product out the door at the highest price possible. Hmmm, I've had a couple of less than ideal dealings with Musician's Fiend over the years, but nonetheless I do have to say that probably 90-95% of the purchases I've made through them have been fine; decent prices and reasonably fast delivery... I would definitely prefer to do business with the friendly locals, but I think overall we tend to make the Fiend out to be way worse than they really are. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 21:21:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C1KP909376; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:20:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:20:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAF11@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: the Fiend (was: gibson echoplex) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:20:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sometimes their incompetence works the other way. when i ordered my FCB1010 i was astonished at how big the box it was shipped in was. turns out they sent me 5 and charged me for 1! being the relatively honest person i am, i called 'em up to arrange to return 4 of them. the guy on the phone was shocked that i was actually trying to send them back. he also said as a thank-you for being honest, i'd get a $20 credit. never did materialize... m.c. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: gibson echoplex > > > > --- 'Twas wroten: > > >Yea, any company associated with Guitar Center is a > > bust to be sure. > > >They hire people that are idiots driven by pushing > > product out the door at the highest price possible. > > Hmmm, I've had a couple of less than ideal dealings > with Musician's Fiend over the years, but nonetheless > I do have to say that probably 90-95% of the purchases > I've made through them have been fine; decent prices > and reasonably fast delivery... I would definitely > prefer to do business with the friendly locals, but I > think overall we tend to make the Fiend out to be way > worse than they really are. > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 22:25:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C2O3p14958; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:24:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:24:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.2f81a636.2c69a9b6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:23:50 EDT Subject: Re: the Fiend To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7C2O2W14930 Resent-Message-ID: <-B8JW.A.ipD.C_EO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently broke down and ordered a special patch cable that I was in need of from MF. It would've fit easily in a 9x12 padded envelope and (I'd wager) it would've been nearly impossible to damage shipped that way. Instead, they shipped it in a box the size of a very large microwave oven (no joke) with 4 or 5 cubic feet of foam "peanuts." I had a hard time actually finding my purchase amongst all the padding. Maybe I should've looked through the packaging a little more thoroughly though. Coulda been a couple of FCB1010s hiding in there maybe. Heheh. Their incompetence general cluelessness is legendary. Too bad they don't try a little harder to live up to their name. They're certainly no friends of mine. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 22:38:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C2b6m16251; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: the Fiend Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:36:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c3607a$979448a0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <12b.2f81a636.2c69a9b6@aol.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So you're pissed off at MF because they packaged your cable with a little extra care :) Do we as musicians ever really get the service we think we deserve from mail order companies, mom & pop shops or the big mega stores? It's up and down with every company - the more you shop at the same company the more chances you have of a bad transaction. Although if I had to choose between companies I would order from AMS over MF any day. -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the Fiend I recently broke down and ordered a special patch cable that I was in need of from MF. It would've fit easily in a 9x12 padded envelope and (I'd wager) it would've been nearly impossible to damage shipped that way. Instead, they shipped it in a box the size of a very large microwave oven (no joke) with 4 or 5 cubic feet of foam "peanuts." I had a hard time actually finding my purchase amongst all the padding. Maybe I should've looked through the packaging a little more thoroughly though. Coulda been a couple of FCB1010s hiding in there maybe. Heheh. Their incompetence general cluelessness is legendary. Too bad they don't try a little harder to live up to their name. They're certainly no friends of mine. tEd R kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 11 23:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C3aB021493; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F38639A.90F4A6FF@erols.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:48:42 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss VF-1 was "audio pitched down" device? References: <3F382317.F1DF0082@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Mazzarella wrote: > "William R. Walker," wrote: > > > Hello Per, At one time I had a Digitech IPS 33B, a rack mount harmony > > proccessor that did everything from simple octave up and octave down, to > > full on diatonic three part harmonies, to whammy effects, to deep space > > station like ambient effects. Essentially, a beer budget Eventide > > harmonizer. The model that came after that was DHP55 that allowed up to > > five part harmonies, so you could do instrumental boy band > > harmonies!(Yikes!) I agree with Stan that the whammy pedal is a good bet if > > you want something on the floor. Also, the boss octaver would be a worthy > > candidate, much more worthy than Arnold Schwarzenegger (hardy har har > > har!). And last but not least, if you can locate a used Boss VF1 half rack > > proccessor, that has some very useable pitch transposition functions, not > > to mention a fairly convincing frettless bass model and a host of other > > cool effects both conventional, (reverb, chorus, delay) and non- > > conventional (VG8 style modeling,psuedo synth sounds, and ring modulation). > > Michael Manring turned me on to the VF1, the last time he played in Santa > > Cruz, and I found one used on ebay for pretty cheap. The VF1 is a half rack > > 24 bit device with plenty of headroom, clean transparent sound, and a > > dedicated hi-Z input on the front for guitar or bass. A very deep box. > > Bill > > Is the Boss VF-1 useable as a vocal processor if I ran it in the aux send of my > mixer? Reverb, delay, etc? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 00:10:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C49Bf25054; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:09:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:09:08 -0700 Subject: Mail order (was Re: gibson echoplex) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had good online purchasing experiences with: Alto: 2 EDPs Nova Musik: Waldorf MicrowaveXT American Musical Supply: Assorted items I particularly liked the people I dealt with at Nova. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 00:59:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C4tDm29412; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:55:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Mail order (was Re: gibson echoplex) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <282B57D6-CC81-11D7-9213-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Computers and Music in SF and AudioMidi are both good shops for software and some hardware. I've been buying stuff from C&M for years. www.computersandmusic.com www.audiomidi.com On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 09:09 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I've had good online purchasing experiences with: > > Alto: 2 EDPs > > Nova Musik: Waldorf MicrowaveXT > > American Musical Supply: Assorted items > > I particularly liked the people I dealt with at Nova. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 01:17:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C5BkT30794; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:11:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:11:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Mail order (was Re: gibson echoplex) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:11:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <282B57D6-CC81-11D7-9213-000A95864C54@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg Kucharo stated: Computers and Music in SF and AudioMidi are both good shops for software and some hardware. I've been buying stuff from C&M for years. www.computersandmusic.com www.audiomidi.com And looks like Richard Zvonar is doing reviews for them--all right! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 01:26:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C5PVB32130; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F38791C.BC7BCEC6@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:20:29 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Album Preview Part 3.14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-kVZC.A.61H.LpHO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excerpts of four live EDP solos from the forthcoming CD: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/offthegrid.mp3 http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/preacherman.mp3 http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/skin.mp3 http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/beast.mp3 And in case you missed the first two (full-length) previews: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/interference.mp3 The album's being pressed up even as we speak, and should be available for sale online in very late August or early September. Until then, I can tell you this much: 1) It sounds like a cross between Miles Davis' "On The Corner," My Bloody Valentine's "Loveless," Radiohead's "Kid A," and Public Enemy's "It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back." 2) It runs just under 74 minutes, and 71 of those 74 minutes contain EDP work, either solo or as components of produced tracks. 3) I have honestly never heard a record that deals with the sound of the electric guitar in this manner before. I wish I had, because it's a serious pain to mix and master an album when you don't know what it's "supposed" to sound like. Suffice it to say this is the only solo electric guitar album I know of that will give your subwoofer a serious workout. We thank you for your support! --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 02:33:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C6WVP04811; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:32:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:32:22 EDT Subject: Re: da kine? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f5.2fe028cd.2c69e3f6_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f5.2fe028cd.2c69e3f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I was thinking after that earlier pot/drugs/looping thread some weeks ago that I'd like to see a yahoo group specifically devoted to creativity and consciousness where these kind of subjects could be discussed without upsetting anyone who doesn't want to participate. Pretty sure there's a way to make it a private, by invitation only group, so I thought maybe we could keep The Thought Police out. Then I remembered Asscroft's "Patriot Act" which makes it compulsory for ISP's to divulge details about anything demanded by the feds, so maybe it ain't such a good idea... if anyone has any opinions on this,or would like to join such a group anyway, let me know either on or off list? Best, Tim In a message dated 8/11/03 11:21:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > Oh God another drug related thread . . . > And to think I'm responsible for it-- > Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:56 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: da kine? > > > I might be out of the loop on this (please don' t hurt me) but I always > thought it was just duh KINE like that doob is MINE, sport. > > Pass it over to me. > > > In a message dated 8/11/03 5:07:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > don.makoviney@asg.com writes: > > > Yea but how do you pronounce it? > > "duh KEEN"? > > "duh KEENAY"? > > "duh KINE"? > > > -DM > > > --part1_f5.2fe028cd.2c69e3f6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I was thinking after that earlier pot/drugs/= looping thread some weeks ago that I'd like to see a yahoo group specificall= y devoted to creativity and consciousness where these kind of subjects could= be discussed without upsetting anyone who doesn't want to participate. Pret= ty sure there's a way to make it a private, by invitation only group, so I t= hought maybe we could keep The Thought Police out. Then I remembered Asscrof= t's "Patriot Act" which makes it compulsory for ISP's to divulge details abo= ut anything demanded by the feds, so maybe it ain't such a good idea...
if anyone has any opinions on this,or would like to join such a group anyway= , let me know either on or off list?

Best,

Tim


In a message dated 8/11/03 11:21:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, relaydelayband= @earthlink.net writes:

Oh God another drug related thr= ead . . .
And to think I'm responsible for it--
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:56 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: da kine?


I might be out of the loop on this (please don' t hurt me) but I always
thought it was just duh KINE like that doob is MINE, sport.

Pass it over to me.


In a message dated 8/11/03 5:07:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
don.makoviney@asg.com writes:


Yea but how do you pronounce it?

"duh KEEN"?

"duh KEENAY"?

"duh KINE"?


-DM




 --part1_f5.2fe028cd.2c69e3f6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 04:42:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C8eu316492; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c360ad$74a6c100$d0cf7ad5@vr1> From: "ishq" To: References: Subject: Re: gibson echoplex - how -what -why - Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:40:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, well as i'm new here and not fully looping yet can anyone explain why the echoplex is so highly rated? i read a few people who said it was not so great and many who rate very highly - i guess thats human nature for you ! , I wondered what its main potential is ? as a live looper ? or studio device ? i did notice a new operating system for it or something that does some unusual stuff ? by a third party ?always looking for creative tools.....which have unique features........ best wishes, matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 04:48:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C8kuO16920; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:46:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:46:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <97.3caf3469.2c6a036f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:46:39 EDT Subject: re: any tips for audio pitched down device........... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There is always some latency - it's a law of physics. > hi Richard What's the latency like on your Eventide stuff for octave down? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 05:23:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C9LNp18744; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030812092117.18864.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: the Fiend (was: gibson echoplex) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAF11@tiger.middlebury.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Christensen, Mark" wrote: > i was astonished at how big the box it was shipped > in was. turns out they sent me 5 and charged me for > 1! That's like the fast food paradigm: volume. If you lose money on each of many many many sales, the bottom line is magically a huge profit. (He said w/ tongue in cheek...) :-) Seriously, I did leave out that I only seem to purchase electronics from "The Fiend"; I would *never*, fer example, order a Les Paul through the mail without playing it. Also, I've only dealt with their customer service once or twice; usually I'll only order stuff I already know about and therefore don't need to ask about. Everyone's mileage may vary; I keep hearing how great AMS is, yet the one transaction I attempted with them went disasterously awry and I ended up cancelling the order after several weeks of waiting. AMS may very well be awesome, but my impression of them is colored by that first, fouled-up sale. And, yes, MF's packaging can be overkill. There have been a couple of times when I cancelled a purchase when I got to the 'calculate shipping' part and saw how out of line it was. Just last week I got a small electronic thingy in a box approximately 1000% larger than it needed to be. Packaging carefully is one thing; grabbing the wrong size box and filling it with two bushels of foam peanuts is another. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 05:58:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7C9vKj20680; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:57:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:57:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: any tips for audio pitched down device............ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:57:06 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001101c360b8$179f7140$9e1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004101c3603b$6798a5e0$3264f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > Hey Per, > > In my limited scope, there are no devices that pitch down in > real time without latency except for the extrememly pricey > pieces of gear like the Orville. My vocal 300 by digitech > does it and > what I do to get around it is I record my bass line first > , stepping down on my 'percieved' downbeat (which is, in all > actuallity) 'ahead' of the latency of the actual note, but > then when I truncate at the percieved next downbeat, the loop > is perfect.................Does this communicate well? Yes, perfectly! But for me it would be just fine to adjust my playing to the latency of the down pitching. Being a session player at studios and live tours I have done this all the time related to different monitoring set-ups and placement of instrument amplifiers. What I'm looking for is to be able to create and modify bass lines very quickly. "Quickly" is not precisely the way you play a bass line into the Repeater ;-) even if it sounds great when finally in place and pitched down. I'm also hoping to be able to afford a second EDP in the future. Might even look into selling the Repeater for this, if I find a good bass solution. I did a looping gig at a festival last week with a live drummer and now I definitely want to be able to play "fast and trashy" music with loopers ;-) I guess the "washy ambient style" is so over represented among looping musicians only because we're kept in a stronghold by all this gear that just takes too long time to manipulate. Thanks for your advices on gear! I'll check out all of them while selling off some junk to finance a purchase. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 09:43:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CDfia08754; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:41:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:41:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:41:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: FS: yamaha su10, sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-0b-mC.A.qIC.X6OO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for sale: Yamaha su10 sampler got this, don't need it, moving studio, trying to clean out. aksing 65$, that includes shipping. (will accept paypal, money order cashiers check, personal check (to clear)). it has around 50 some seconds of sampling in its low mode, but sounded good when i recorded a bit of guitar with it. 19 sec worth of sampling in hi-fi mode. email me if interested: scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu thanks, s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 11:02:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CExrC17404; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030812145951.7524.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Selecting vendors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I agree Re: GC. However, is there really a difference between the big > music dealers--esp. when it comes to price? I have a good > relationship with my salesperson at Sweetwater, for instance, because > I feel like I get excellent pre-sales advice, and I know I can get > great support and service post-sale. But are their prices necessarily > any better than GC/Musician's Friend, Sam Ash, and so on? Not that I > can tell. > > How do you folks make your gear purchase decisions? From whom do you buy? The only place I've found lately that has significantly lower prices then other vendors is Full Compass. I've purchased from them for many years and have gotten good service and good prices. They tend more toward pro audio type products then musical instrument type, but appear to be getting a bit more of that type thing in recent years. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 11:13:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CFCGW18739; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:12:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:12:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030812151201.62694.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: GC/mail order To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030812010713.3690.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Hmmm, I've had a couple of less than ideal dealings > with Musician's Fiend over the years, but nonetheless > I do have to say that probably 90-95% of the purchases > I've made through them have been fine; decent prices > and reasonably fast delivery... I would definitely > prefer to do business with the friendly locals, but I > think overall we tend to make the Fiend out to be way > worse than they really are. That's because it only takes one less-then-ideal deal with a mailorder place to undo years of goodwill, because it's inherently impersonal. If you have a bad deal with the "friendly locals", chances are they might make it up to you later on, and as long as they remain "friendly", then you'll probably still be happy with them. You don't get this level of personal service or interaction with most non-local businesses. Companies like Sweetwater and Full Compass try to give more personal service by assigning you a specific sales person, if that person is good, it really helps, just like working with someone in person. I've worked with Barb Lager at Full Compass for over 10 years now, and even though I don't buy all that much stuff from her, she still remembers me when I call up for a price. Frankly, that's better then most of the local shops. Even the ones where I've bought a guitar or other expensive thing in the past don't seem to recognize me when I come in. So, in my case, the "friendly locals" could be more friendly as they charge me almost twice what the mail order places want for the same stuff. I don't buy there all that often. Frankly, I'd rather order something online or on the phone then to have to deal with "GuitarGod Johnny"'s ego at the local music store. Not always true, when a friend of mine worked at a LMS, I went and bought there much more often. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 11:32:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CFUMa21491; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:30:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:30:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Selecting vendors Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:30:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C360E6.A2862230" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C360E6.A2862230 Content-Type: text/plain Nobody has really mentioned Zzounds.com all that much. I seem to have better luck with them than any others hands down. Their packaging is always appropriate to what is being shipped, and they get stuff out of the warehouse super quick. My last few orders from Zzounds have left the warehouse within 2-3 hours of placing my order. But I just ordered the Alesis Ineko from Musicians Friend and it took 2 full days to get out of the warehouse. Not to mention I had another big problem with them where they wouldn't release my credit card authorization for a cancelled order for like two weeks. Plus their website often says things are in stock (like the Boomerang in my last instance) when they really aren't and I am stuck for weeks waiting for stock to come in. Zzounds doesn't ever send magazines, but in that case all the items I bought from Zzounds where double digit dollars cheaper than the Fiend - still with Free Shipping and everything. -DM -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Selecting vendors --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I agree Re: GC. However, is there really a difference between the big > music dealers--esp. when it comes to price? I have a good > relationship with my salesperson at Sweetwater, for instance, because > I feel like I get excellent pre-sales advice, and I know I can get > great support and service post-sale. But are their prices necessarily > any better than GC/Musician's Friend, Sam Ash, and so on? Not that I > can tell. > > How do you folks make your gear purchase decisions? From whom do you > buy? The only place I've found lately that has significantly lower prices then other vendors is Full Compass. I've purchased from them for many years and have gotten good service and good prices. They tend more toward pro audio type products then musical instrument type, but appear to be getting a bit more of that type thing in recent years. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C360E6.A2862230 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Selecting vendors

Nobody has really mentioned Zzounds.com all that = much. I seem to have better luck with them than any others hands down. = Their packaging is always appropriate to what is being shipped, and = they get stuff out of the warehouse super quick. My last few orders = from Zzounds have left the warehouse within 2-3 hours of placing my = order.

But I just ordered the Alesis Ineko from Musicians = Friend and it took 2 full days to get out of the warehouse. Not to = mention I had another big problem with them where they wouldn't release = my credit card authorization for a cancelled order for like two weeks. = Plus their website often says things are in stock (like the Boomerang = in my last instance) when they really aren't and I am stuck for weeks = waiting for stock to come in.

Zzounds doesn't ever send magazines, but in that case = all the items I bought from Zzounds where double digit dollars cheaper = than the Fiend - still with Free Shipping and everything.

-DM

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:00 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Selecting vendors


--- Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu> = wrote:

> I agree Re: GC. However, is there really a = difference between the big
> music dealers--esp. when it comes to price? I = have a good
> relationship with my salesperson at Sweetwater, = for instance, because
> I feel like I get excellent pre-sales advice, = and I know I can get
> great support and service post-sale. But are = their prices necessarily
> any better than GC/Musician's Friend, Sam Ash, = and so on? Not that I
> can tell.
>
> How do you folks make your gear purchase = decisions? From whom do you
> buy?

The only place I've found lately that has = significantly lower prices then other vendors is Full Compass. I've = purchased from them for many years and have gotten good service and = good prices. They tend more toward pro audio type products then musical = instrument type, but appear to be getting a bit more of that type thing = in recent years.

Greg

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C360E6.A2862230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 11:39:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CFcJO22354; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:38:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:38:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Selecting vendors Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:38:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:30 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Selecting vendors Nobody has really mentioned Zzounds.com all that much. I seem to have better luck with them than any others hands down. [Clayton Gary Lehmann] Yah, and you can order thru them from the LD website and avoid the Wrath of Kim (OK, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition . . .) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 11:59:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CFwjf24787; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:58:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:58:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812104318.02bd6168@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:57:59 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Fwd: MIDI Looper Redux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apropos to the previous 'MIDI Looper' discussion. From the Nord Modular list, here's a tidbit regarding the upcoming G2 Modular. Looks like it's all but confirmed that it will have the capability to perform modular functions on MIDI events (Note & CC). There's a good chance that this might come closer to a functioning MIDI Looper than anything else out there on the market. Not to mention that we've yet to see what type of delay effects are integrated within it (audio looper + midi looper in a single box -- perhaps too much to hope for?). Regardless, it's pretty much guaranteed to be a kickass virtual modular anyway. -c- >To: "[NordModular] Yahoo" >From: Wout Blommers >Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:35:04 +0200 >Subject: [nord_modular] [Fwd: RE: [NM] G2 article in German Keyboard magazine] >Reply-To: nord_modular@yahoogroups.com > >For your interest. > >Wout > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: RE: [NM] G2 article in German Keyboard magazine >Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:43:41 +0200 >From: "Rob Hordijk" >Reply-To: Nord Modular >To: "Nord Modular" > > > Subject: RE: [NM] G2 article in German Keyboard magazine > > > > > > > The September issue of the German 'Keyboard' magazine is out and in > > > the shops. And guess what, there is a preview article about the > > > G2!!! > > > > any info we don't already know? > > > > matthew wyeth r. > > http://amphibio.us > >Depends on what you do know I guess. It is a typical preview article, no >fine details yet. > >But there is the confirmation that there will be Midi Out modules. My >guess is that Midi Out, together with the slot arpeggiators and >sequencer modules, must be a real awesome combination. It implies that >any incoming midi info can be processed, dynamically varied and merged >with sequencers in the patch and the arpeggiated note info. Then it can >be sent out to either another slot or another >synth/drumcomputer/sampler. I think that at the moment I don't want to >know more, as I fear that this possibility alone will keep me occupied >for quite some time... :-) > >/Rob > >_______________________________________________ >Nord-Modular mailing list >Nord-Modular@code404.com >http://code404.com/mailman/listinfo/nord-modular >_______________________________________________ >Patches sent to the Nord-Modular mailing list >may not be redistributed without the express >consent of the author/creator. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 12:16:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CGDGY26167; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:13:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:13:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030812161314.20954.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:13:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: the Fiend To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000101c3607a$979448a0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <39QfOB.A.uYG.cIRO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- | SquidLoop | wrote: > Do we as musicians ever really get the service we think we deserve from > mail order companies, mom & pop shops or the big mega stores? It's up > and down with every company - the more you shop at the same company the > more chances you have of a bad transaction. Although if I had to choose > between companies I would order from AMS over MF any day. Agreed on both points. I make most of my mailorder MI type purchases from AMS. Their prices are often a little better then MF, and I haven't had a bad transaction yet. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 12:22:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CGJ6Y26752; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:19:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:19:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:19:08 -0500 Message-ID: <033f01c360ed$75c6e2f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01c35f74$0ee96e10$4a1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> Resent-Message-ID: <1HyGIB.A.3hG.5NRO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interestingly, someone just recommended i check this guys stuff out. i haven't used them myself, but they seem mighty interesting: http://www.rastopdesigns.com/effects.htm#SuperDivider > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Any tips for an "audio pitched down" device? > > > Hi, > > Can someone recommend a good device for bringing the audio > signal down one or two octaves? > > I'm not interested in midi or hexaphonic guitar pickups as I > want to transpose any audio source, not only guitar. Today > I'm creating bass lines with the Repeater by pitching a track > down, but I'm finding this strategy too slow in some musical > situations. The best solution would be something that simply > brings the audio down in pitch (without inducing > latency) before it reaches the loopers. Then I could also use > the EDP for bass lines as well as fading bass in and out with > the feedback control. > > Long ago I owned some kind of "octavider" and this thing was > actually ok IMO even for saxophone and voice, but > unfortunately it disappeared when I lent it to a friend. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 12:23:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CGLkY27032; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:21:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:21:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030812161314.20954.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030812161314.20954.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:21:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: RE: the Fiend Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Although if I had to choose > > between companies I would order from AMS over MF any day. I hesitated to order from "the Fiend" also. But, in a jam, I had no choice last week. I ended up getting a Ground Control Pro from them (everyone else was out of stock; hence my dilemma). MF wanted $419, but I found a better price through Tour Supply ($379). MF matched it, and I got free shipping to boot. Arrived in two days...right size box and no peanuts. ;) So, my *one* experience with them has been quite good. Maybe I'll quit while I'm ahead. lol Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 12:27:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CGPQx27619; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:25:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:25:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: the Fiend To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:25:42 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/12/2003 12:25:43 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AMS has never let me down: Reasonably good prices, excellent customer service including a quick forward to an actually useful tech person whenever I've asked a gear question during a purchase, very fast FREE shipping (always comes next day from NJ to CT)....and a no-interest payment plan. Can you ask for more? I'm hooked! dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 12:28:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CGQk427815; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F38639A.90F4A6FF@erols.com> References: <3F38639A.90F4A6FF@erols.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:26:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: "audio pitched down" device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm coming in late on this thread, but i've used my lexicon mpx 100 for some experimental vocals (pitch shift up and down) and i thought it sounded pretty good. i've read some reviews on h-c.com where people say that they thing there's a lag, but i thought it wasn't that noticable. (but then, maybe my ears are getting old and slow now and i can't notice minute things as well...) i was also experimenting w/ changing the pitch while i "sang" into the mic, so i was going for a "weird effect" to start w/. whether it's as good as eventide or lexicon's higher end stuff, i doubt it, but the mpx100 is a budget box, which has been replaced w/ the mpx110. i also experimented w/ my old digitech ips33 (the original budget eventide h3000), and it works for effects, but is noisy compared to the mpx100, but the ips33 is also 15 yrs old now.... my 2 cents for the day....s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 12:30:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CGT1Q28330; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:29:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:29:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030812162859.33108.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Selecting vendors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Don Makoviney wrote: > Nobody has really mentioned Zzounds.com all that much. I seem to have better > luck with them than any others hands down. Their packaging is always > appropriate to what is being shipped, and they get stuff out of the > warehouse super quick. My last few orders from Zzounds have left the > warehouse within 2-3 hours of placing my order. As nearly as I can tell, Zzounds and AMS are the same company. They seem to have exactly the same things in and not in stock, and their prices have ALWAYS been exactly the same for any given item. > Plus their website often says things are > in stock (like the Boomerang in my last instance) when they really aren't > and I am stuck for weeks waiting for stock to come in. I've had this problem with MF in the past, even before they had a website. You'd call with your order, they'd tell you everything was in stock, 2 weeks later PART of your order shows up...the rest is backordered, often for months. I'll still occasionally order from them, but only if it's something I can't get somewhere else. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 12:30:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CGT8N28368; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:29:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:29:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812110659.045315e8@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:28:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: Selecting vendors In-Reply-To: References: <002501c36054$e5d47010$7f613d44@soulfruit> <002501c36054$e5d47010$7f613d44@soulfruit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:02 PM 8/11/2003 -0500, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >How do you folks make your gear purchase decisions? From whom do you buy? Keep in mind that I buy about 99% electronics, so this would be different if I ever bought things with strings, for instance. If there's a local dealer who legitimately helps me decide on a product and can give me a good deal, then they get first tap. Unfortunately, with the various Music Tech rags and the Internet, I haven't really needed a store clerk to help me with a purchase in... um, years really. Usually I just need a few minutes physical access to a piece of gear to confirm/deny what I know about it already. The closest I've come to actually *needing* a local vendor has been a shootout I put a bunch of near-fields through last year. After I decide to buy a particular product, though, I generally scan the Net to get the absolute lowest possible price, then print a copy and walk it down to one of the local stores to get a price match. Generally, if all else fails, the drone down at GC will honor the same price if they've got it in stock. Otherwise, I've never really had a bad experience with the Fiend, ZZounds, or Sam Ash. Also, mail order blem specials have already been mentioned, but what I really keep an eye out for are the manufacturers blowouts and overstock specials. In addition to a $199 Echo Pro at GC, I also picked up a TC TripleC stereo multi-band compressor for only $299 (list is $999) from samash.com a couple of months ago. Just missed the blowout on the Kurzweil Expressionmate, though -- darn it! -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 12:32:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CGUmc28590; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:30:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:30:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030812163046.33551.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Selecting vendors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <505V9D.A.m-G.3YRO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > Nobody has really mentioned Zzounds.com all that much. I seem to have better > luck with them than any others hands down. > > > [Clayton Gary Lehmann] > Yah, and you can order thru them from the LD website and avoid the Wrath of > Kim (OK, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition . . .) Oh yeah, I meant to say something about this being available. I'm planning to use this option for future purchases. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 12:34:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CGXU229182; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:33:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:33:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3F38639A.90F4A6FF@erols.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:33:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: "audio pitched down" device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >i also experimented w/ my old digitech ips33 (the original budget >eventide h3000), and it works for effects, but is noisy compared >to the mpx100, but the ips33 is also 15 yrs old now.... IPS 33 or IPS 33b? *Big* difference, so I'm told. It's the 33b that is the good machine. I happen to have a DHP-33 arriving today, so I'll let people know how it is. It's basically the IPS 33b + a more modern looking front panel/display. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 13:14:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CHD0c01673; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:13:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:12:46 +0200 Subject: Fast & Trashy From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3143560366_85582_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <19mchc-1tHMG00@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: XNYV8EZfYeJsB25VRAdcxdVFq3WzhVsBt3g3bhrT-xRfFpxWXIBys+ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3143560366_85582_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Per wrote: I guess the "washy ambient style" is so over represented among looping musicians only because we're kept in a stronghold by all this gear that just takes too long time to manipulate. Probably so. I often feel that working with my equipment during a looping gig is more demanding on my concentration than actually playing the instrument, which is a shame. I find myself quite often in a situation that I rather skip a new tune that is hard to do ON THE EDP, also because a goof on a looper is often more obviuos than a little slop on your axe.... So far with the new software in the EDP I use the standard footpedal and a TECH 21 Midi Mouse (the smallest midi pedal I came across) to switch between presets. I need to switch presets a lot because in need a lot of different functions of the INSERT button, but it's a drag to do really. Should I practise more or should I consider one of those larger Midi-pedals (yak)? Would that give me instant access to different functions of INSERT? Andreas Willers --MS_Mac_OE_3143560366_85582_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Fast & Trashy Per wrote:
I guess the "washy ambient style" is so over
represented among looping musicians only because we're kept in a
stronghold by all this gear that just takes too long time to manipulate.
Probably so. I often feel that working with my equipment during a looping g= ig is more demanding on my concentration than actually playing the instrumen= t, which is a shame. I find myself quite often in a situation that I rather = skip a new tune that is hard to do ON THE EDP, also because a goof on a loop= er is often more obviuos than a little slop on your axe....

So far with the new software in the EDP I use the standard footpedal and a = TECH 21 Midi Mouse (the smallest midi pedal I came across) to switch between= presets. I need to switch presets a lot because in need a lot of different = functions of the INSERT button, but it's a drag to do really. Should I pract= ise more or should I consider one of those larger Midi-pedals (yak)? Would t= hat give me instant access to different functions of INSERT?

Andreas Willers --MS_Mac_OE_3143560366_85582_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 13:22:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CHL7o02634; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:21:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c360f5$f61dfbc0$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812104318.02bd6168@spamarrest.com> Subject: Re: MIDI Looper Redux Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:20:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Catilyne" > Apropos to the previous 'MIDI Looper' discussion. > > From the Nord Modular list, here's a tidbit regarding the upcoming G2 > Modular. Looks like it's all but confirmed that it will have the > capability to perform modular functions on MIDI events (Note & > CC). There's a good chance that this might come closer to a functioning > MIDI Looper than anything else out there on the market. > > Not to mention that we've yet to see what type of delay effects are > integrated within it (audio looper + midi looper in a single box -- perhaps > too much to hope for?). Regardless, it's pretty much guaranteed to be a > kickass virtual modular anyway. > > -c- oh yes yes and even on the current nord mod it is possible to loop events with the logic delay module (0-18 sec) I can send an example to LD/NMod fans just ask Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 13:58:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CHull06718; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:56:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:56:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c360fb$1ee3a8c0$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <12b.2f81a636.2c69a9b6@aol.com> Subject: Re: the Fiend Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:56:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6j3-W.A.1oB.fpSO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One positive Fiend comment. I was after the Korg DL8000R and AM8000R, and MF had supposedly discontinued it. On my second call, the sales guy muttered something about being able to check stock and found 10 of the DL's hiding there... No mention in the catalog or on the website anymore, and he was confused as to why. Anyway, they matched some ridiculously low price I quoted. I got the AM from Audiomidi.com for around $250.00 and I think I got my DL for closer to $200 from MF! (I'm old so my memory is failing... ) I think at least trying to have a short, calm discussion with *whoever* you're dealing with can sometimes produce great results regardless of the vendor. When you expect the worst, you sometimes get it. Caveat Emptor! -Biffoz http://www.powerhat.com/ics/sounds.html http://cdbaby.com/cd/biffoz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: Re: the Fiend > I recently broke down and ordered a special patch cable > that I was in need of from MF. It would've fit easily in a > 9x12 padded envelope and (I'd wager) it would've been > nearly impossible to damage shipped that way. > > Instead, they shipped it in a box the size of a very large > microwave oven (no joke) with 4 or 5 cubic feet of > foam "peanuts." I had a hard time actually finding my > purchase amongst all the padding. > > Maybe I should've looked through the packaging a little > more thoroughly though. Coulda been a couple of FCB1010s > hiding in there maybe. Heheh. > > Their incompetence general cluelessness is legendary. Too > bad they don't try a little harder to live up to their name. > They're certainly no friends of mine. > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 14:48:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CIkaT18166; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:46:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:46:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:46:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3F0B3FA8000187DC@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Recommendations on Reason 2.5 purchase? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7CIkZW18141 Resent-Message-ID: <0d_dnB.A.sbE.MYTO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I'm going to buy Reason 2.5 and I wondered if anyone knew of a place where I could get a better price than $349USD? Thanks.. :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 14:56:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CIr1218772; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:53:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:53:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02ca01c36102$f713ba80$5e6e7680@NShortway> From: "Nick Shortway" To: References: <3F0B3FA8000187DC@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Recommendations on Reason 2.5 purchase? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:53:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DEFINITELY go ebay... I saw prices between 150 and 250. -Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Roberts" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: Recommendations on Reason 2.5 purchase? > Hi All, > > I'm going to buy Reason 2.5 and I wondered if anyone knew of a place where > I could get a better price than $349USD? Thanks.. :) > > peace > -cpr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 15:01:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CIwwB19433; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:58:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030812130622.00a82e00@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:06:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy In-Reply-To: <19mchc-1tHMG00@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andreas, yes, definitely go for something more flexible, if you're wanting several insert functions at once. I use many at one time, and use an FCB 1010. In the list archive, I've listed my pedal arrangements on the FCB. I also still do switch between a few presets as well. -because I want EVERYTHING! lol! Smiles, Cara At 07:12 PM 8/12/03 +0200, you wrote: > Per wrote: > "" is so over > represented among looping musicians only because we're kept in a > stronghold by all this gear that just takes too long time to manipulate. > > Probably so. I often feel that working with my equipment during a looping >gig is more demanding on my concentration than actually playing the >instrument, which is a shame. I find myself quite often in a situation that >I rather skip a new tune that is hard to do ON THE EDP, also because a goof >on a looper is often more obviuos than a little slop on your axe.... > > So far with the new software in the EDP I use the standard footpedal and a >TECH 21 Midi Mouse (the smallest midi pedal I came across) to switch >between presets. I need to switch presets a lot because in need a lot of >different functions of the INSERT button, but it's a drag to do really. >Should I practise more or should I consider one of those larger Midi-pedals >(yak)? Would that give me instant access to different functions of INSERT? > > Andreas Willers --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 15:52:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CJnQ825360; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:49:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:49:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c3610a$d10922f0$6601010a@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: <3F0B3FA8000187DC@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> <02ca01c36102$f713ba80$5e6e7680@NShortway> Subject: Re: Recommendations on Reason 2.5 purchase? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:49:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <51MJ-B.A.KMG.FTUO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not to burst anyone's bubble, but *alot* of Reason software offered on Ebay is pirated (I've had them offered to me as "my backup copies which I'm selling" before -- yeah, right...) Caveat emptor... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Shortway" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Recommendations on Reason 2.5 purchase? > DEFINITELY go ebay... > I saw prices between 150 and 250. > > -Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 15:53:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CJp7M25786; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:51:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:51:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812124914.03d9cde8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:52:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy In-Reply-To: <19mchc-1tHMG00@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0-368B.A.ySG.rUUO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:12 AM 8/12/2003, Andreas Willers wrote: >So far with the new software in the EDP I use the standard footpedal and a >TECH 21 Midi Mouse (the smallest midi pedal I came across) to switch >between presets. I need to switch presets a lot because in need a lot of >different functions of the INSERT button, but it's a drag to do really. >Should I practise more or should I consider one of those larger >Midi-pedals (yak)? Would that give me instant access to different >functions of INSERT? yes, from MIDI you can instantly do any of the different functions that can only be done with the insert button from the front panel. You also have both the SUS versions and the toggle versions available as separate MIDI commands, for more versatility. I don't know what the MIDI Mouse can do, maybe it can be programmed to control some of the InsertMode commands? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 15:53:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CJnSh25395; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:49:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:50:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recommendations on Reason 2.5 purchase? X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <3F0B3FA8000187DC@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> References: <3F0B3FA8000187DC@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris, > I'm going to buy Reason 2.5 You might want to check out Orion first. http://www.synapse-audio.com/ -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 15:57:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CJu2326492; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:56:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:56:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812125445.0267bcb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:57:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Selecting vendors In-Reply-To: <20030812163046.33551.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks a lot guys! That's right, if you are buying something from zzounds, click through the zzounds links available on any of the pages of the Looper's Delight site. Then LD get's a small commission from your order, and it costs you the same! This helps Looper's Delight to pay it's bills, and I really appreciate your support. kim At 09:30 AM 8/12/2003, Greg House wrote: >--- Relay wrote: > > Nobody has really mentioned Zzounds.com all that much. I seem to have > better > > luck with them than any others hands down. > > > > > > [Clayton Gary Lehmann] > > Yah, and you can order thru them from the LD website and avoid the Wrath of > > Kim (OK, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition . . .) > >Oh yeah, I meant to say something about this being available. I'm planning >to use this option for future purchases. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 16:04:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CK3TB27722; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:03:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3F0B3FA800018919@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812125445.0267bcb0@loopers-delight.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Selecting vendors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7CK3SW27695 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oooh... and they have Reason... :) So, I just click thru to them, and make my purchase? Nothing special shows up to show that LD is getting it's nickle? peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:57:54 -0700 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Kim Flint >Subject: RE: Selecting vendors >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >thanks a lot guys! That's right, if you are buying something from zzounds, > >click through the zzounds links available on any of the pages of the >Looper's Delight site. Then LD get's a small commission from your order, > >and it costs you the same! This helps Looper's Delight to pay it's bills, > >and I really appreciate your support. >kim > >At 09:30 AM 8/12/2003, Greg House wrote: >>--- Relay wrote: >> > Nobody has really mentioned Zzounds.com all that much. I seem to have > >> better >> > luck with them than any others hands down. >> > >> > >> > [Clayton Gary Lehmann] >> > Yah, and you can order thru them from the LD website and avoid the Wrath >of >> > Kim (OK, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition . . .) >> >>Oh yeah, I meant to say something about this being available. I'm planning > >>to use this option for future purchases. > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 16:07:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CK4jC27947; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:04:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:04:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Selecting vendors Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:04:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c3610c$e0060aa0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812125445.0267bcb0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7CK4jW27924 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah I use them a lot I frequently have ordered from them and gotten merchendise the next day of coarse I'm in NY and there in NJ so, your shipping time may vary and it depends on what time you place your order. Altogether they are very efficieant and fast so, who cares about a store when the closest one is just a Superstore that really is only concerned with volume sale and doesn't really have the more esoteric items in stock anyway. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Selecting vendors thanks a lot guys! That's right, if you are buying something from zzounds, click through the zzounds links available on any of the pages of the Looper's Delight site. Then LD get's a small commission from your order, and it costs you the same! This helps Looper's Delight to pay it's bills, and I really appreciate your support. kim At 09:30 AM 8/12/2003, Greg House wrote: >--- Relay wrote: > > Nobody has really mentioned Zzounds.com all that much. I seem to > > have > better > > luck with them than any others hands down. > > > > > > [Clayton Gary Lehmann] > > Yah, and you can order thru them from the LD website and avoid the > > Wrath of Kim (OK, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition . . .) > >Oh yeah, I meant to say something about this being available. I'm >planning >to use this option for future purchases. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 16:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CKdi232016; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:39:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:39:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:39:20 +0200 Subject: RE: RE: Fast & Trashy From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3143572760_113028_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <19mfvW-0iWp1s0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: EG9CYEZaYec0jFVnsU6q-ow+rvZzLJiqpf-tmWDnBB9ztEok6SQEkS Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3143572760_113028_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Kim wrote: >yes, from MIDI you can instantly do any of the different functions that ca= n >only be done with the insert button from the front panel. You also have >both the SUS versions and the toggle versions available as separate MIDI >commands, for more versatility. > >I don't know what the MIDI Mouse can do, maybe it can be programmed to >control some of the InsertMode commands? I doubt it, mine does switch the presets, but when I'm in the thick of an improv going: a) which preset am I in? b) where do I have to go to to get INSERT=3DREPLACE? c) stepping on that damn thing to finally arrive there and d) executing INSERT=3DREPLACE in a meaningful way is just to much. I could rather recall the changes of the bridge to "Guineepigs on the moon" in the recorded version by Lester Parker on Steeplechase (the April '63 version, not the August '64 where he wore those red boots all those critics rave about) and play them backwards in quadruplets than doing that. Hell, no way around programming a Midi-pedal??? Andr=E8, what are you using these days? Andreas Willers --MS_Mac_OE_3143572760_113028_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: RE: Fast & Trashy Kim wrote:
>yes, from MIDI you can instantly do any of th= e different functions that can
>only be done with the insert button from the front panel. You also have=
>both the SUS versions and the toggle versions available as separate MID= I
>commands, for more versatility.
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>I don't know what the MIDI Mouse can do, maybe it can be programmed to =
>control some of the InsertMode commands?

I doubt it, mine does switch the presets, but when I'm in the thick of an i= mprov going: a) which preset am I in? b) where do I have to go to to get INS= ERT=3DREPLACE? c) stepping on that damn thing to finally arrive there and d) e= xecuting INSERT=3DREPLACE in a meaningful way is just to much. I could rather = recall the changes of the bridge to "Guineepigs on the moon" in th= e recorded version by Lester Parker on Steeplechase (the April '63 version, = not the August '64 where he wore those red boots all those critics rave abou= t) and play them backwards in quadruplets than doing that. Hell, no way arou= nd programming a Midi-pedal??? Andr=E8, what are you using these days?

Andreas Willers --MS_Mac_OE_3143572760_113028_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 17:29:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CLSBQ04757; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:28:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:28:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812142340.0428d718@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:29:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: RE: Fast & Trashy In-Reply-To: <19mfvW-0iWp1s0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:39 PM 8/12/2003, Andreas Willers wrote: >Kim wrote: > >yes, from MIDI you can instantly do any of the different functions that can > >only be done with the insert button from the front panel. You also have > >both the SUS versions and the toggle versions available as separate MIDI > >commands, for more versatility. > > > >I don't know what the MIDI Mouse can do, maybe it can be programmed to > >control some of the InsertMode commands? > >I doubt it, mine does switch the presets, but when I'm in the thick of an >improv going: a) which preset am I in? b) where do I have to go to to get >INSERT=REPLACE? c) stepping on that damn thing to finally arrive there and >d) executing INSERT=REPLACE in a meaningful way is just to much. yes, you are doing it the hard way. I was wondering if the MIDI mouse can be programmed to send a note on message instead of just Program Change. If so, you could set it to directly command Replace, while the Insert button can be set to do reverse or Insert or whatever. It's just an idea for a simpler setup if you only want easier access to one or two other commands. If the MIDI Mouse can't do this, maybe there is some other simple midi pedal with just one or two buttons that can be programmed for some arbitrary midi command. Then you can set that up to be your "Replace Button". From the sounds of it though, you would probably be much better off just getting a good midi pedal. > Hell, no way around programming a Midi-pedal??? Andrè, what are you > using these days? I think Andre uses a Digitech PMC-10, which is not so easy to find, but once you do it is easy to program using Sean's Raymond editor. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 17:32:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CLUSv05027; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:30:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:30:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812143041.03cd2008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:32:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Selecting vendors In-Reply-To: <3F0B3FA800018919@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812125445.0267bcb0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, that's right. I don't think it says anything special while you are ordering, but if you use the special link on the LD site it tracks your session so that Looper's Delight gets the credit. kim At 01:03 PM 8/12/2003, Chris Roberts wrote: >oooh... and they have Reason... :) So, I just click thru to them, and make >my purchase? Nothing special shows up to show that LD is getting it's nickle? > >peace >-cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:57:54 -0700 > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >From: Kim Flint > >Subject: RE: Selecting vendors > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >thanks a lot guys! That's right, if you are buying something from zzounds, > >click through the zzounds links available on any of the pages of the > >Looper's Delight site. Then LD get's a small commission from your order, > >and it costs you the same! This helps Looper's Delight to pay it's bills, > >and I really appreciate your support. > >kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 17:35:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CLY3m05494; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:34:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:34:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Selecting vendors Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c36119$6e8432a0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812143041.03cd2008@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Kim, I was just curious if you ever seen any money come in from the click through? -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Selecting vendors yes, that's right. I don't think it says anything special while you are ordering, but if you use the special link on the LD site it tracks your session so that Looper's Delight gets the credit. kim At 01:03 PM 8/12/2003, Chris Roberts wrote: >oooh... and they have Reason... :) So, I just click thru to them, and make >my purchase? Nothing special shows up to show that LD is getting it's nickle? > >peace >-cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:57:54 -0700 > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >From: Kim Flint > >Subject: RE: Selecting vendors > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >thanks a lot guys! That's right, if you are buying something from zzounds, > >click through the zzounds links available on any of the pages of the > >Looper's Delight site. Then LD get's a small commission from your order, > >and it costs you the same! This helps Looper's Delight to pay it's bills, > >and I really appreciate your support. > >kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 18:44:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CMgoL12776; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:42:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:42:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Foot Crap Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:42:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812142340.0428d718@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Kim Flint imagined: >I was wondering if the MIDI mouse can be programmed to send a note on >message instead of just Program Change. I bought one to use with the Ztar--all it sends are Program changes-- >I think Andre uses a Digitech PMC-10, which is not so easy to find, but >once you do it is easy to program using Sean's Raymond editor. >kim And once again let's hear it for the mighty Sean, who created such a WONDERFUL program! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 19:15:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7CNDHg16203; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:13:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030812160152.014ed128@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:13:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Re: New Album Preview Part 3.14 In-Reply-To: <3F38791C.BC7BCEC6@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice work Andre, Can't wait to hear the whole album. I just reinvented my rig on Sunday, placing the EDP at the front of the MIDI chain, instead of slaved to the drum machines. It's a whole different scene. I'm going to have to watch that EDP INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO again.... -Hans At 22:20 11/08/2003, you wrote: >Excerpts of four live EDP solos from the forthcoming CD: > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/offthegrid.mp3 >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/preacherman.mp3 >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/skin.mp3 >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/beast.mp3 > >And in case you missed the first two (full-length) previews: > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/seismic.mp3 >http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/interference.mp3 > >The album's being pressed up even as we speak, and should be available >for sale online in very late August or early September. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 20:47:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D0kSb25200; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:46:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:46:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812174500.04092008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:48:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Selecting vendors In-Reply-To: <000001c36119$6e8432a0$01b52b04@purgatory> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812143041.03cd2008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:33 PM 8/12/2003, | SquidLoop | wrote: >I was just curious if you ever seen any money come in from the click >through? a little bit, but not much really. That's why I'm reminding people about it. In general, this sort of click-through or referral advertising isn't so great for web site owners. It is better than nothing though. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 21:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D0xXq26416; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:59:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3F0B3F520001546D@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812174500.04092008@loopers-delight.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Selecting vendors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7D0xWW26389 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just made my purchase of Reason thru there, so you should be getting a couple of pennies from me.. :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:48:21 -0700 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Kim Flint >Subject: RE: Selecting vendors >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >At 02:33 PM 8/12/2003, | SquidLoop | wrote: >>I was just curious if you ever seen any money come in from the click >>through? > >a little bit, but not much really. That's why I'm reminding people about > >it. In general, this sort of click-through or referral advertising isn't >so >great for web site owners. It is better than nothing though. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 21:10:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D1AJq27532; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812181142.04475388@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:12:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Selecting vendors In-Reply-To: <3F0B3F520001546D@mta11.wss.scd.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812174500.04092008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fantastic! thanks Chris! kim At 05:59 PM 8/12/2003, Chris Roberts wrote: >I just made my purchase of Reason thru there, so you should be getting a >couple of pennies from me.. :) ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 21:16:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D1G1W28134; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <159.22eefc59.2c6aeb4e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:15:58 EDT Subject: Re: Selecting vendors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim.....can you have more than one vendor on the LD list? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 21:45:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D1iGi30931; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:44:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:44:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Selecting vendors Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:44:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c3613c$623b4790$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030812174500.04092008@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool so they actually pay out - I always wondered if that was a scam. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 5:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Selecting vendors At 02:33 PM 8/12/2003, | SquidLoop | wrote: >I was just curious if you ever seen any money come in from the click >through? a little bit, but not much really. That's why I'm reminding people about it. In general, this sort of click-through or referral advertising isn't so great for web site owners. It is better than nothing though. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 23:03:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D31rN06717; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:01:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:01:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F39A8F4.436CA41F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:56:52 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gibson echoplex - how -what -why - References: <006601c360ad$74a6c100$d0cf7ad5@vr1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matt, ishq wrote: > , I wondered what its main potential is ? as a live looper ? or studio > device ? i did notice a new operating system for it or something that does > some unusual stuff ? by a third party ? I set up a multi-page web site to try and address these very issues: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP Parts three and four in particular focus on things that can only be done with the Echoplex, as well as the recent software upgrade (in part 4). > always looking for creative > tools.....which have unique features........ The Echoplex unquestionably fits both of those descriptions! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 23:12:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D3ALO07607; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F39AAEF.35E87AB5@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:05:19 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste References: <19mchc-1tHMG00@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hoo boy... ;) Per said, > I guess the "washy ambient style" is so over > represented among looping musicians only because we're kept in a > stronghold by all this gear that just takes too long time to > manipulate. "Takes too long to manipulate," huh? Just last night, I saw a friend who's started taking guitar lessons, and she was complaining about how difficult it is to play a barre chord. I explained to her that building up the necessary hand strength for this is something every guitar player has to struggle with early on in their development, and that once you get over that hump, it becomes second nature. Can you imagine if guitar players decided that barre chords were "too difficult" to learn? Think about being able to quickly switch from one chord shape to another, in different registers, in different voicings and inversions. You don't just sit down and start comping through "Autumn Leaves;" you build up the necessary mental and physical coordination to do so. There's no reason you can't do that with a looper, too. But if you want to deal with it as an instrument, with the depth and flexibility of an instrument, then you need to treat it like that, and practice it in the same way that you would one that's made out of wood, skins, and strings. One other thing to consider is that "the washy ambient style" isn't necessarily easy to play, in terms of gear involvement. Some of the most in-depth and complex EDP technique I've ever seen is the ambient stuff Matthias Grob plays; it's so smooth and subtle that it's easy to overlook just how deeply and intensively he's using the interface of the Echoplex for that sort of thing. Andreas said: > but when I'm in the thick of an improv going: a) which preset am I in? > b) where do I have to go to to get INSERT=REPLACE? c) stepping on that > damn thing to finally arrive there and d) executing INSERT=REPLACE in > a meaningful way is just to much. Then how about narrowing down your available options, so that you don't have as many mental obstacles to trip over? The only parameter that will directly affect how Insert=Replace operates is Quantize. So, if you want to do Replace stuff in an improv, you can go over to the front panel, hit the Parameters button, double-check your Quantize setting, double check your Insertmode setting, change either of these if necessary, and then get out of parameters to start playing. No need to worry about presets for something like this. If you know your way around the EDP, then all of this can happen all in a few seconds. This doesn't need to take any longer than stepping on a few different stomp boxes, putting a mute into a trumpet, putting a capo on a guitar, retuning a string, reaching over to a guitar amp to change a setting, changing a patch on a synth module, or any other one of dozens of things musicians change on their instruments to accommodate a sudden whim in the heat of performance. > I could rather recall the changes of the bridge to > "Guineepigs on the moon" in the recorded version by > Lester Parker on Steeplechase (the April '63 version, > not the August '64 where he wore those red boots all > those critics rave about) and play them backwards in > quadruplets than doing that. And how long did it take you to cultivate the necessary physical and mental technique to be able to pull that sort of thing off without thinking about it? > Hell, no way around programming a Midi-pedal??? It depends on what you want to do. If you're intimidated by MIDI, you might try starting by connecting a simple controller (like an Oxygen 8 keyboard, or a drum machine) and setting a few keys to simple commands like half-speed, reverse, or different loop numbers. Even small things like that can make it easier to navigate the EDP, because you know that if you want to go into half-speed, for instance, you can always just hit that one button on your MIDI controller of choice, rather than have to go to the front panel and scroll through layers of parameter columns and rows. > Andrè, what are you using these days? I use a PMC-10, but 99% of everything I do with it could be done just as easily with a Behringer FCB 1010 pedal. Rather than setting up presets to switch between insert modes, a good MIDI pedal could give you ALL of the different insert modes available at the same time, all on dedicated pedals. One of the main banks I use has half speed, reverse, sus-insert, and replace all set up next to each other. It took some time to mentally learn how to use these banks in performance, but once you do that it becomes a lot more fluid from a performance point of view. The ironic thing, though, is that because I started off changing parameters by hand on the front panel as fast as I could, I understand the EDP as a whole better than I might if I'd started off doing everything by MIDI in the first place... And I promise that the new album will be one of the fastest (and DEFINITELY one of the trashiest) looping discs you'll hear... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 23:14:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D3C0f07987; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:12:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030812160152.014ed128@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030812160152.014ed128@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:12:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: EDP Video (was Album Preview) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm going to have to watch that EDP INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO again.... EDP video? Who? What? Where? How? You get the idea...more info. please! :) Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 12 23:26:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D3PBL09820; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:25:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:25:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F39AE67.572B785C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:20:08 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Video (was Album Preview) References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030812160152.014ed128@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6aDojC.A.TZC.X-aO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Shirkey wrote: > EDP video? *cough* > Who? Me (in front of the camera) and Hans Lindauer (behind the camera and the editing console). > What? About two hours, in the rough cut, covering the main front-panel functions in depth. > Where? How? Not available yet. Life has utterly kicked my ass this year, so the EDP tutorial video project has been pushed back much further than I'd have liked, as has everything else in my existence. (Serious apologies to Hans for not having been better equipped to get the thing wrapped up.) Knocking on wood as I say this, I think there's a good possibility of our getting a final cut of the tutorial available for sale in late 2003 or early next year. Now that the album is done it'll be much easier for me to devote attention to the EDP video... I get knocked down, but I get up again, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 00:08:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D47Np14164; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F39AE67.572B785C@earthlink.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030812160152.014ed128@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> <3F39AE67.572B785C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:07:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: EDP Video (was Album Preview) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andre, Thanks for your reply. > I think there's a good possibility of >our getting a final cut of the tutorial available for sale in late 2003 >or early next year. Excellent news...can't wait to pick up my copy when it's available. Thanks for taking this task on. For someone in my shoes, I'm sure it'll be immensely useful. Will it be available as a dvd also, or vhs only? Either is fine by me. Just curious is all. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 00:56:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D4tNd18972; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:55:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:55:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F39C7A6.DC7AB2EC@erols.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:07:50 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: gig spam: New Jersey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Mazzarella solo/voice/acoustic guitar/loops/gizmos Thursday, August 14th, 8pm-10pm @ The Town Grind 25 East Main Street Denville, NJ 973-625-9666 Hope to see you there, John www.johnmazzarella.com Gear list: EDP+ Adrenalinn HR-2 Harmonist Tubescreamer Behringer Mixer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 01:49:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D5ltv23951; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:47:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:47:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:47:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F39AAEF.35E87AB5@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 08:05 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > If you know your way around the EDP, then all of this can happen all in > a few seconds. Exactly. I don't care if you're talking about a fuzz box, and EDP or the instrument you run through them, it all comes down to how intimate you are with you instrument/gear. For me, the Repeater is part of my guitar. Once it felt a little strange, but I don't think about it now. Lot's of time is what it took. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 03:32:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D7Sia01250; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:28:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:28:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:28:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This also suggests one other thing about learning the EDP: Start slowly. Pick a reasonably simple case and learn it well. (I recommend "Expert" mode in Loop4 as a starting point since your loop will sustain when not overdubbing if you don't use a pedal.) Then pick another aspect and add it to your arsenal. Then another. I would probably recommend setting Insert to Half Speed or Reverse when starting out. Many of the insert and replacement techniques take more effort to get reasonable timing on and you can frustrate yourself with them if you are still learning the basics of looping. If you are programming a MIDI pedal, it might make sense to do it one or two switches at a time and learn those switches well before moving on. Mark on 8/12/03 10:47 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 08:05 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > >> If you know your way around the EDP, then all of this can happen all in >> a few seconds. > > Exactly. I don't care if you're talking about a fuzz box, and EDP or > the instrument you run through them, it all comes down to how intimate > you are with you instrument/gear. For me, the Repeater is part of my > guitar. Once it felt a little strange, but I don't think about it now. > Lot's of time is what it took. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 03:44:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D7hCI02184; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:43:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:43:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.f37e7c9.2c6b460b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:43:07 EDT Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Should I practise more or should I consider one of those larger > >Midi-pedals (yak)? Would that give me instant access to different > >functions of INSERT? > > yes, from MIDI you can instantly do any of the different functions that can > only be done with the insert button from the front panel. You also have > both the SUS versions and the toggle versions available as separate MIDI > commands, for more versatility. .......and you can do without the EFC-7 altogether. Perhaps worth mentioning that some the SUS functions can work very slightly differently when used by setting InsertMode. ( you can still do this from midi of course) It's not something you'll come across often, but when using quantise, it's possible to press, and then release while still waiting for the function to happen. (ooo on the panel) With SUSReplace, SUSSubstitute, called directly from midi you'll find that the functions stop being SUS in this case. Using them from InsertMode you get the very useful behaviour where the function lasts for one quantise value. i.e if Quant=CYC then the function lasts for one cycle. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 04:14:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D8D9104302; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:13:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:13:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c36172$b9293f40$4a318751@vr1> From: "ishq" To: References: <006601c360ad$74a6c100$d0cf7ad5@vr1> <3F39A8F4.436CA41F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: gibson echoplex - how -what -why - Remultiply, Loop Windowing, Reverse. Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:13:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi andre, thanks for the link , info and excellent pages / demo's / mp3's on the edp , also the last guy who posted loads of mp3 links.......... Well the edp looks rather mouth watering ! Loop windowing and remultiply and stuff certainly make this very enticing , can anyone recommend a good source for an echoplex in the uk - are they still in production ? i have noticed some good deals on ebay.com....guessing these units are 120v ? maybe there 240v switchable , thanks again..... best wishes, matt -what -why - > Hi Matt, > > ishq wrote: > > > , I wondered what its main potential is ? as a live looper ? or studio > > device ? i did notice a new operating system for it or something that does > > some unusual stuff ? by a third party ? > > I set up a multi-page web site to try and address these very issues: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > Parts three and four in particular focus on things that can only be done > with the Echoplex, as well as the recent software upgrade (in part 4). > > > always looking for creative > > tools.....which have unique features........ > > The Echoplex unquestionably fits both of those descriptions! > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 05:55:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D9rs911127; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:53:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:53:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:52:40 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001701c36180$a43ec0b0$bc1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <3F39AAEF.35E87AB5@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1X7Dv.A.ptC.yqgO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > Hoo boy... ;) > > Per said, > > > I guess the "washy ambient style" is so over > > represented among looping musicians only because we're kept in a > > stronghold by all this gear that just takes too long time to > > manipulate. > > "Takes too long to manipulate," huh? Hi Andre, Well, this was posted in a thread about "instantly accessible pitched down/bass sound". I was particularly aiming at the Repeater, which definitely is "slower to manipulate" than the EDP. Personally I feel that the EDP is "part of my instrument" but the Repeater will never be more than "a clever loop based recorder" in my use. Please don't misunderstand me because I was quoting Kim's expression "washy...". I certainly did not mean to look down on ambient music. In fact I love that style and have been playing it myself for many decades. I just think that "washy..." is such a great and funny expression! This might be just because English isn't my native language, but to me that word does exactly nail a certain feeling; the feeling you can get after playing slow and ambient music for a while until the adrenaline starts building up and you simply have to play some "dirty" or high-tempo stuff or you will just explode. It's A Question Of Balance ;-D BTW a very good example of Matthias Grob's ambient style, that Andre was mentioning in his post, is IMHO the improvised piece "Physio" at http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/LiveLooping/index-2.html Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 05:57:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7D9tBx11288; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:55:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:55:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: RE: Fast & Trashy --> "free-wheeling" EDP Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:53:58 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001801c36180$d3529a20$bc1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <19mfvW-0iWp1s0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Willers [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de] > stepping on that damn thing to finally arrive there and > d) executing INSERT=REPLACE in a meaningful way is just to much. Hi Andreas, Yes, I too find it hard to incorporate the EDP in group improvisations without any sync. What I'm usually in that situation is to use the EDP "free-wheeling" (unquantised and unrounded). Then I can press down the multiply button to destructively record (sustain action) a loop of what I'm playing and at the same time sync the EDP to the tempo we are playing in at the moment. If the loop is ok I let it spin for a while behind my playing. If I hear the loop loosing its sync I can either step a button to "restart" (don't have the Loop4 manual here on this laptop to check out the correct vocabulary) or simply record a new loop by the sustained action of the multiply button - or empty the loop by bringing down feedback to "0". Another interesting use of this free-wheeling setting is to catch a 4th or 8th note and play in overdub mode (similar to a delay). If you alternate between HalfSpeed and FullSpeed you can actually use the echo bounces to create a second instrumental line one octave under what you are playing. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 07:29:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DBSbN17959; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:28:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:28:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3A1FB7.685AB600@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:23:35 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) References: <001701c36180$a43ec0b0$bc1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, Thanks for the comments... it makes me think of something I've noticed with regards to the whole "learning curve" technology angle: What I tend to see is this: the more gear is involved in a performance, the more the musical experience of looping seems to be about creating this big, massive "thing" that is set into motion, and then sort of spins around of its own accord, almost independently of the player. There's a funny parallel between musical gear and motor vehicles in that way: the music that tends to be made by artists with loads of equipment in their rigs often strikes me as being like a giant 18-wheeler semi truck: it takes a long time to get started, it takes a long time to slow down, and you have to plan your turns half a block in advance on account of the massive size involved. But it certainly can sound impressive when it's up and running... I can't help but think that a lot of this has to do with the "mental fatigue" angle you and Andreas brought up... it seems like the more stuff is involved in the actual rig, the more mentally demanding it tends to be to steer it in a particular direction, with a particular sense of speed. And the easier it can be to change the rig around, swap components in and out, and alter signal paths... which in many ways forces a person to start all over again with the whole curve of using their "instrument" in an agile and intuitive manner. The main impetus for having the big rigs tends to be a desire for lots of different sounds, and wanting to be able to access a wide variety of different textures. But isn't it interesting how some people will spend decades playing "just" a piano, or a tabla, or their own voice, and find ongoing inspiration and freedom within the confines of "one sound"? Isn't it funny how often it's harder to make a decision about what to play with dozens of options availble, instead of just one or two? And isn't it strange (and scary) how easy it is to constantly want to modify, or change, or upgrade, or trade up, a piece of electronic music gear, when we find ourselves frustrated with the music we make with it? Wired magazine had a really good article on this subject: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.05/laptop_pr.html It's ostensibly geared (no pun intended) towards the laptop music realm, but the ideas it addresses apply to pretty much any performing musician who's ever tried to use "external gear" as an instrument... I'm not trying to knock anybody here - there are plenty of folks with huge rigs and huge sounds who I really enjoy listening to. I'm just thinking out loud about things that have crossed my mind many a time. (And trying to see how many more innuendos I can squeeze into a subject line...) --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 08:00:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DBxD020131; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F3A1FB7.685AB600@earthlink.net> References: <001701c36180$a43ec0b0$bc1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> <3F3A1FB7.685AB600@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:59:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The main impetus for having the big rigs tends to be a desire for lots >of different sounds, and wanting to be able to access a wide variety of >different textures. > >But isn't it interesting how some people will spend decades playing >"just" a piano, or a tabla, or their own voice, and find ongoing >inspiration and freedom within the confines of "one sound"? Excellent points. I'm struggling with a related question, if anyone cares to offer some advice. I'd like to add a nice synth to my rig--and I don't even play keys--but I'd like to learn. In the meantime, I'd use its rather massive sequencing capabilities of by employing it as a kind of musical scratch pad--both for practice with my guitar and for composing tunes. I wanted to get a Yamaha Motif 6. But then I found out that there is a newer, bigger, better, more powerful version, the Motif ES 6, that will be available shortly. I figured that surely the regular Motif 6 would do all that I wanted from a synth and then some. But after looking over the ES 6's specs, I have a nagging feeling that I would regret not getting the latest, greatest upgraded product. For one thing, it has 128 note polyphony. The regular Motif has 62 poly. The ES has new(er), upgraded voices, and a host of other features. Does anyone here use a Motif? If so, would you care to advise me on which one to purchase? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 08:07:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DC5Lh20808; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:05:02 +0200 Subject: RE: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19muNK-0baCRM0@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: VUcynTZc8eBdrNt1yhD68NXTdJ0ArTfe82bkqcU2JtHOb98395hE6w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Andre and all, thanks a lot for taking the time and giving me/us the input on the topic of EDP control by Midi. I'll go and try the thing with a drum machine real soon because I really like the idea of operating stuff by hand and like an uncluttered stage floor (my hand operated amp-top board consists of a tc G-force, EH ringmodulator, PDS 8000 and Dano backwards delays). In fact, in LOOP III I operated the EDP just with a single pedal for RECORD and front button presses and was a happy camper. With the arrival of LOOP IV and it's wider possibilities I am torn between working on my control options and ....my laziness (or is it lazyness?). But sometimes lameness sparks new options as well: I have this pseudo Bulgarian tune in 9/8 that requires me to set up a ringmodulated muted-strings-sound on guitar pitched up an octave on the EDP as a rhythmic backdrop. In my case that means: a) EDP preset #3, b) switching INSERT to HALFSPEED (the EDP doesn't seem to be able to recall a preset with speed already set to slow, right?), c) recording the muted lick by actually playing it IN HALFTIME (turning it into a 9/4 that takes about 3.6 seconds), overdubbing a ringmodulated pedal note, pushing INSERT to normal speed (thus arriving at the 9/8), turning on the octave sound in the G-force to set up a bass riff in 9/8 via multiply etc., then octaver off for the melody, then some polytonal chords for spice etc.etc. That proved to be to complex to pull off live, at least for me. I ended up covering my guitar with a towel (a la Fred Frith), playing the rhythm with chopsticks and looping it in real time. I often have to deal with these kind of things when I want to perform looped versions of already existing compositions as opposed to material that came out of the process of playing with the looping machines. Best wishes to all and esp. good luck to all who need it, Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 08:16:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DCERQ21553; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F64FE@cwus-dtw-pri02.compuware.com> From: "Jonah, Jim" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Ableton Live? Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:14:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone using Ableton Live for live looping? ----------------- Jim "Knowledge is knowing a street is one way. Wisdom is still looking in both directions." The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 09:30:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DDQFS28159; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:26:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:26:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: ips33 vs. ips33b? was:"audio pitched down" device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm sure that they are all useful, but i would put a qualifier on "what's good to one person, isn't always good to all". it's easy to knock the original ips33, but remember, when it came out in '88, it WAS the original budget option to the eventide h3000. i think the h3000 was over $2K at the time, and original price of ips33 was in the $900 range. and it just did harmony stuff, where the h3000 did lots of things. but, i got my ips33 for $65, and for $65, i've gotten a lot of use out of it, and it's still a useful tool! a bit noisey, but i tend to think noise has it's place and can be useful. it's still great for guitar and i've used it for keyboard stuff as well. for vocals, it's probably not so good and the other newer versions of the model would probably work better.....but i've also never seen a ips33b, dhp33 or dhp55 for $65 either...so if anyone has one of those and wants to sell it for $65, feel free to email me.... my 2cents for the day... s--- >>i also experimented w/ my old digitech ips33 (the original budget >>eventide h3000), and it works for effects, but is noisy compared >>to the mpx100, but the ips33 is also 15 yrs old now.... > >IPS 33 or IPS 33b? *Big* difference, so I'm told. It's the 33b that >is the good machine. > >I happen to have a DHP-33 arriving today, so I'll let people know >how it is. It's basically the IPS 33b + a more modern looking front >panel/display. > >Jeff -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 10:07:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DE0Jo32054; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:00:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:00:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:00:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: ips33 vs. ips33b? was:"audio pitched down" device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i'm sure that they are all useful, but i would put a qualifier on >"what's good to one person, isn't always good to all". Yes, true. I shouldn't have knocked the ips33--esp. not for $65! I was interested in getting one of the Digitech harmonizer machines for a so-called "shimmer" sound that it can replicate. Apparently the ips33b (and dhp 33) does "shimmer" very, very well, while the ips33 does not. This according to a couple people I know with similar interests as mine, and who have owned, at one time or another, all of the digitech harmonizer machines and have compared them head to head. That's not to say that the ips33 isn't of use to other people for other purposes, and so on. My apologies. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 10:19:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DEHBk01342; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:17:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:17:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c361a4$d65f3380$e7e35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #333 for August 7, 2003 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:11:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C36183.4202DDC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C36183.4202DDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #333 August 7, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Infection Music, a label = in the UK having T-Bass UK and Skin Mechanix on its artist roster. The = Featured CD at Midnight was "The Fabulous Neutrinos" by T-Bass UK. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Green Desert" by Tangerine Dream on Relativity Records. I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. Infection Music - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#aug The Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Indian Summer Green Desert = (Relativity) VA [Under the Dome] Launch Hampshire Jam Preserved = (none) VA [Under the Dome] Drift Hampshire Jam Preserved = (none) Syndromeda Sines Creatures from the = Inner (Neu Harmony) Rudy Adrian Donner Pass Concerts in the USA = (Groove) dbkaos Stars Look Down Art of Sacrifice (DiN) Christopher Short Constellation #2 The Unnamed = Constellation (none) 12:00 am T-Bass UK The Fabulous Neutrinos The Fabulous Neutrinos (Infection Music) T-Bass UK Ice TFN (Infection Music) T-Bass UK Know Fear TFN (Infection Music) T-Bass UK The Lighthouse TFN (Infection Music) T-Bass UK Gazing at the Edge of TFN (Infection Music) Forever T-Bass UK Call from the Wild Side TFN (Infection Music) T-Bass UK 6EQUJS TFN (Infection Music) T-Bass UK Asylum TFN (Infection Music) T-Bass UK 10000Maniacs TFN (Infection Music) T-Bass UK Memory Lingers Here TFN (Infection Music) T-Bass UK A Question of Time TFN (Infection Music) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Infection = Music label. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Secret Life of Angels" = by Skin Mechanix. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Aqua" by Edgar Froese on Virgin = Records. I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C36183.4202DDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #333       =20             August 7, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Infection = Music, a=20 label in the
UK having T-Bass UK and Skin Mechanix on its artist=20 roster.  The Featured CD at
Midnight was "The Fabulous = Neutrinos" by=20 T-Bass UK.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Green Desert" by Tangerine Dream = on
Relativity Records.
 
I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at the=20 Gatherings
Concert Series on September 13.
 
Infection Music - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#aug
=
The Gatherings Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Tangerine=20 Dream         Indian=20 Summer            = Green=20 Desert (Relativity)
VA [Under the Dome]    =20 Launch           &= nbsp;      =20 Hampshire Jam Preserved (none)
VA [Under the = Dome]    =20 Drift           &n= bsp;       =20 Hampshire Jam Preserved=20 (none)
Syndromeda         = ;    =20 Sines           &n= bsp;       =20 Creatures from the Inner=20 (Neu
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Harmony)
Rudy=20 Adrian           &= nbsp;=20 Donner=20 Pass           &nb= sp; =20 Concerts in the USA=20 (Groove)
dbkaos         &= nbsp;       =20 Stars Look Down          = Art of=20 Sacrifice (DiN)
Christopher Short       = Constellation #2         The = Unnamed=20 Constellation
         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;    =20 (none)
 
12:00 am
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 The Fabulous Neutrinos   The Fabulous=20 Neutrinos
          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 (Infection Music)
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 Ice           &nbs= p;         =20 TFN (Infection Music)
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 Know=20 Fear           &nb= sp;   =20 TFN (Infection Music)
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 The = Lighthouse           = TFN=20 (Infection Music)
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 Gazing at the Edge of    TFN (Infection=20 Music)
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Forever
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 Call from the Wild Side  TFN (Infection Music)
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 6EQUJS           &= nbsp;      =20 TFN (Infection Music)
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 Asylum           &= nbsp;      =20 TFN (Infection Music)
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 10000Maniacs          &= nbsp; =20 TFN (Infection Music)
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 Memory Lingers Here      TFN (Infection=20 Music)
T-Bass=20 UK            = ;  =20 A Question of Time       TFN (Infection=20 Music)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 the Infection Music
label.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be = "The=20 Secret Life of Angels" by Skin
Mechanix.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Aqua" by Edgar Froese on = Virgin=20 Records.
 
I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at the=20 Gatherings
Concert Series on September 13.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C36183.4202DDC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 10:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DEMf002169; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:22:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:22:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Harmonizer recommendations Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:22:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looking for advice on vocal harmonizers . . . I bought the IPS 33B when it first came out--I was using two SPX-90's (still using one of 'em for reverb in my larger setup) for harmony, and spent enormous time changing the sequenced info to trigger the IPS--and then DigiTech came out (almost immediately, it seemed) with the Vocalist. So I had to edit the info again and change it to note on info--still using DigiTech (now using the Access) but interested in upgrading. Any recommendations? This would be for vocals, using note on info (DigiTech calls it the "vocoder mode") to create real time harmonies. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 10:33:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DEVMY03113; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:31:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:31:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:31:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: ips33 vs. ips33b? was:"audio pitched down" device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7wmkaC.A.fw.5ukO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com apolgoy accepted, and i wasn't offended or anything. i actually learned about it from reading an old mag back from back in '88, a namm report that raved about the ips33, in that it offered harmonizing like the h3000 did, but at a budget ($900)...but yes, you are right, the later digitech harmony devices (ips33b, and dhp series) did offer other effects (more delay effects) in the box as well as harmonizing than the original had. it's funny, the ips33 has 60 presets, 30 user presets, and i use about 3 or 4 only....oh well..... s--- ps-i know what the ips33b does from watching the david torn video #2 from back in '93, and boy for awhile i did drool about the idea of trying to get one.... >Yes, true. > >I shouldn't have knocked the ips33--esp. not for $65! I was >interested in getting one of the Digitech harmonizer machines for a >so-called "shimmer" sound that it can replicate. Apparently the >ips33b (and dhp 33) does "shimmer" very, very well, while the ips33 >does not. This according to a couple people I know with similar >interests as mine, and who have owned, at one time or another, all >of the digitech harmonizer machines and have compared them head to >head. That's not to say that the ips33 isn't of use to other people >for other purposes, and so on. My apologies. > >Jeff -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 10:37:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DEXiI03460; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:33:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:33:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:32:32 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000601c361a7$bc12fea0$071d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <3F3A1FB7.685AB600@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > > "mental fatigue" angle you and Andreas brought up... it > seems like the more stuff is involved in the actual rig, the > more mentally demanding it tends to be to steer it in a > particular direction, So true! When asked for advice I normally say that "It's all about expression - YOUR expression!". If that stack of gear makes sense to your vision, use it! But if you have to think about the gear and how to make music with it you are already off side. You may work on your playing technique or use of advanced gear but it means nothing if there is no personal expression communicated through the music. Just my personal take on this ;-) I know there are other opinions. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 10:37:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DEUiX03011; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:30:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:30:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c361a6$e77e8600$49ff0dd5@nuno> From: "Nuno Climaco Pinto" To: Subject: Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:26:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 12-08-2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was thinking in buying a Kaoss Pad 2 to use in my Repeater fx insert. My question is: Does anyone tryed this combination!?. Best Nuno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 10:42:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DEciT04106; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:38:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:37:33 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000d01c361a8$6f934bb0$071d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <007d01c361a6$e77e8600$49ff0dd5@nuno> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was thinking in buying a Kaoss Pad 2 to use in my Repeater > fx insert. My question is: Does anyone tryed this combination!?. > > Best > > Nuno > Only halfway ;-) I have been trying out other gear in the Repeater fx insert and this has been very inspiring. You can easily apply the fx loop to the four channels by midi and this is good for playing intuitively with the set-up. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 10:44:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DEbx103990; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:37:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:37:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Kaoss Pad 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007d01c361a6$e77e8600$49ff0dd5@nuno> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <9FsFvB.A.O-.H1kO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it's great. Very good bang for your buck. Mark On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 07:26 AM, Nuno Climaco Pinto wrote: > I was thinking in buying a Kaoss Pad 2 to use in my Repeater fx > insert. My > question is: Does anyone tryed this combination!?. > > Best > > Nuno > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 10:57:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DEtB805477; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:55:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:55:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:55:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c361a7$bc12fea0$071d6dd4@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: <23557A0A-CD9E-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree Per, but I've got to make a comment about the Repeater being a "Clever Loop Recorder" as if that's a negative? Of course it is. Very clever. Have you seen Bill Walker's rig? Lot's of gear, yet he manipulates his Repeater and what's feeding it with the grace of a ballet dancer and looks just as comfortable doing it as an 80 year old blues musician (but more spry!) When I first got the EDP, I kind of felt it was very awkward. Overpriced souped up JamMan. I just wasn't used to it's paradigm, that's all. It's like the Windows vs. Apple thing, I've heard so much about which one is better, and most of it comes from the fact that the person knows one really well and the other not so well. A few years ago I made a mistake and tried to bring my studio out to a show. I loose battery in my guitar made the night a nightmare, but it was compounded by the fact that there were far too many steps between my guitar and the PA. Since then, I've whittled and carved until my Repeater based loop rig into a lean mean looping machine. I've also spent a ton of time working with it as it is now so it has become second nature. I took it out for a 30 min spot at Skronkathon last Sunday, and it assembled in about 15 min (would have been faster if we were not contending with a 6 piece gear laden band breaking down where we were trying to set up) and worked like a charm. The only glitch was our vocalist didn't think she needed to bring a mic (what is up with this attitude?) so someone lent her an omnidirectional mic that was prone to feedback. So, the person who had the least gear to deal with had the biggest problem. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 07:32 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] >> >> "mental fatigue" angle you and Andreas brought up... it >> seems like the more stuff is involved in the actual rig, the >> more mentally demanding it tends to be to steer it in a >> particular direction, > > So true! When asked for advice I normally say that "It's all about > expression - YOUR expression!". If that stack of gear makes sense to > your vision, use it! But if you have to think about the gear and how to > make music with it you are already off side. You may work on your > playing technique or use of advanced gear but it means nothing if there > is no personal expression communicated through the music. Just my > personal take on this ;-) I know there are other opinions. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 11:34:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DFW7R10496; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:32:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:32:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c361af$f7287260$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <3F3A1FB7.685AB600@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:31:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What I tend to see is this: the more gear is involved in a performance, > the more the musical experience of looping seems to be about creating > this big, massive "thing" that is set into motion, and then sort of > spins around of its own accord, almost independently of the player. I think this is experientiall true, but that's more to do with the fact that few people take the time to really get inside the gear they are using and realise that the range of options they have doesn't neccesarily mean using everything all the time. It always takes a while to work that out, which is why the first version of my last solo album - Not Dancing For Chicken - was a glitch-fest. I'd just got an EDP and was determined to explore what it could do on all the tracks. Some of it was cool, most of it just wasn't me at all. It certainly didn't stand up to my 'music first' maxim. So I redid the album a month or so later, once I'd got over my initial infatuation with the EDP, and was able to make it subservient to what I was hearing in my head, rather than writing music purely to explore what the Echoplex would do. So some of the stuff on the album is in the juggernaut stylee that you describe. Some is in the ultra-simple one loop with melody and solo style, and others are a bit more developmental, bringing in some of the stuff that's possible with the feedback control on the EDP. Not knowing how a piece of rack gear works is just as dibilitating as having no chops at all on guitar - you lose control, and are a slave to whatever fumblings happen to come out when you pick up the guitar (and no, I'm not advocating a satch approach over Neil Young - by no chops, I just mean no control over what you're doing, not specifically playing really really fast widdly stuff... ;o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 11:38:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DFZIt10922; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:35:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:35:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:36:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F3A1FB7.685AB600@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Andre has some really great points. These are things that I've noticed also. I live in two musical worlds; I play traditional Japanese music on a traditional Japanese flute (a shakuhachi, for those who care) and I compose/play/perform my own music on various electronic instruments (modular synths, keyboards, processed gongs, drum machines and other devices, including a pair of EDPs). I've played the shakuhachi for over ten years now and love the sound of the instrument. I never loop it nor do I process it (I lied here, sometimes, if I record it I'll use a little reverb for ambience). I like to leave it that way, it is such a joy just to take it out of the case and begin to play (no set up, no electricity, no 60Hz hum to deal with, no hiss, no noise). I can concentrate directly on the music. In the other world, the world of electronics, it's exactly like Andre says; it's a big slow process that takes a lot of concentration to pay attention to everything that is going on. I play in an electronic music ensemble (i.e. with other people) so that just adds to the things that demand my attention while performing ("mental fatigue" sets in quickly). In the electronic world, I am very guilty of adding or subtracting gear to my rig constantly. I'm always looking for interesting new sounds and ways of making them. In the world of the shakuhachi, I own three instruments (of different lengths) but usually I only play one of them (I've had that instrument for the ten years I've been playing). Both worlds have their frustrations but the electronic world is the one that causes the "mental fatigue". I'm rambling, but basically I'm agreeing with what Andre LaFosse had to say, and adding another data point to his observations. On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 06:23 AM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hi Per, > > Thanks for the comments... it makes me think of something I've noticed > with regards to the whole "learning curve" technology angle: > > .............. stuff deleted > I can't help but think that a lot of this has to do with the "mental > fatigue" angle you and Andreas brought up... it seems like the more > stuff is involved in the actual rig, the more mentally demanding it > tends to be to steer it in a particular direction, with a particular > sense of speed. And the easier it can be to change the rig around, > swap > components in and out, and alter signal paths... which in many ways > forces a person to start all over again with the whole curve of using > their "instrument" in an agile and intuitive manner. > .............. more stuff deleted -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 11:54:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DFpXQ12840; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:51:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:51:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1060789272!992153 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB408@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:38:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C361B0.E51A24A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C361B0.E51A24A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>What I tend to see is this: the more gear is involved in a performance, the more the musical experience of looping seems to be about creating this big, massive "thing" that is set into motion, and then sort of spins around of its own accord, almost independently of the player. << yes. yes yes yes. in my band, we have tended to get carried away with the technology, and especially because of the genre we've found ourselves bracketed into, where there's some sort of arms race going on. I am consciously trying to reduce the number of sequencers and midi devices. the other keys player is back behind his drumkit these days, while I am lurching back and forth between keys and a fretless 71 jazz. the guitarist, meanwhile, looks down his nose at my repeaters and refuses absolutely even to consider the bob sellon upgrade (still in it's jiffy bag) for his jam-man. listening to the ways he's used this latter over the last nine years, I find myself increasingly reluctant to add complexity without a very good reason. if he's still coming up with fresh musical ideas with a banged-about tokai strat he's had since 1980, and a clutch of stomp-boxes with no paint left on them, then why would I/should I interfere? I realised I was becoming obssessive about developing the right co-ordination (not my strong point atbot) to "punch-in" on the repeater and nail a bassline so that I could relax and play something over it. after listening to a bit of can, and a bit of miles davis, I realised that as a bass player, I should just play the line over and over myself and put something else into the repeater, not neccessarily nailed to anything. this won't work for everyone, but it helped me relax a bit. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>What I tend to see is this: the more gear is invo= lved in a performance,
the more the musical experience of looping seems to be a= bout creating
this big, massive "thing" that is set into mot= ion, and then sort of
spins around of its own accord, almost independently of = the player.
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yes. yes yes yes. in my band, we have tended to get carri= ed away with the technology, and especially because of the genre we've foun= d ourselves bracketed into, where there's some sort of arms race going on. = I am consciously trying to reduce the number of sequencers and midi devices= . the other keys player is back behind his drumkit these days, while I am l= urching back and forth between keys and a fretless 71 jazz. the guitarist, = meanwhile, looks down his nose at my repeaters and refuses absolutely even = to consider the bob sellon upgrade (still in it's jiffy bag) for his jam-ma= n. listening to the ways he's used this latter over the last nine years, I = find myself increasingly reluctant to add complexity without a very good re= ason. if he's still coming up with fresh musical ideas with a banged-about = tokai strat he's had since 1980, and a clutch of stomp-boxes with no paint = left on them, then why would I/should I interfere?

I realised I was becoming obssessive about developing the= right co-ordination (not my strong point atbot) to "punch-in" on= the repeater and nail a bassline so that I could relax and play something = over it. after listening to a bit of can, and a bit of miles davis, I reali= sed that as a bass player, I should just play the line over and over myself= and put something else into the repeater, not neccessarily nailed to anyth= ing.

this won't work for everyone, but it helped me relax a bi= t.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C361B0.E51A24A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 12:14:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DGANP14872; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:10:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013001c361b5$6be5c120$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <23557A0A-CD9E-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:10:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I agree Per, but I've got to make a comment about the Repeater being a > "Clever Loop Recorder" as if that's a negative? Of course it is. Very > clever. Have you seen Bill Walker's rig? Lot's of gear, yet he > manipulates his Repeater and what's feeding it with the grace of a > ballet dancer and looks just as comfortable doing it as an 80 year old > blues musician (but more spry!) ..there's an interesting mental aside here about who we use as examples of what a piece of gear is capable of. The Andre exploits the EDP more fully than anyone I've ever come across, I've still heard very few people actually attempt anything similar (seems like Torn has copped an Andre lick or two, and I know I certainly have, but to a very different end...) Same with Bill - which his Repeater useage is remarkable, it's just an extension of his remarkable musicianship, and I'm sure he'd make a unique noise with a fretless banjo and zoom bass effetcs unit. In the case of peeps like Dre the hamster dude and Billy Ray Walker, they are terrible examples of anything other than being one-offs. Even having watched and been mesmerised by Bill's music (or maybe it was the monkey suit...), I still didn't want to get or explore a repeater, any more than listening to Tori Amos makes me want to get a piano, or Kelly Joe Phelps makes me want to play guitar. I did however want to make music that had a similar impact on my audience to the vibe I got from Bill's choonage. With Andre, it was his playing and ideas and aesthetic that drew to get an EDP, plain and simple, but I still wouldn't use much of what he does as an example of what to do with an EDP. It's more an example of what to do with an Andre! shamown! Another quick example - is an EDP more versatile than a JamMan? Of course it is, any muppet could tell you that from comparing the manuals, but you wouldn't get that feeling if you watched Phil Keaggy play - you'd come away feeling like the JamMan was about the coolest box anyone ever invented. Which says more about Mr Keaggy than it does about the JamMan. It's only when your mind and paradigm are applied to both units that you get to see which 'fits'... ...just a mind ramble from a very hot afternoon in London... I'm off to Italy in the morning, to play a gig, and to record some schtuff with the wonderful Luca Formentini, so it's gonna be a loopalcious weekend (currently listening to Luca's 'A Life From The Inside' CD, which is fantastic - not sure if it's available yet though...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 12:34:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DGKpU16103; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:20:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:20:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c361b7$4a3061a0$8981a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <23557A0A-CD9E-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <013001c361b5$6be5c120$e0154ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:23:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.129.137] at Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:20:20 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve - great points. It is the player, not the equipment, that makes music that touches and inspired us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) > > I agree Per, but I've got to make a comment about the Repeater being a > > "Clever Loop Recorder" as if that's a negative? Of course it is. Very > > clever. Have you seen Bill Walker's rig? Lot's of gear, yet he > > manipulates his Repeater and what's feeding it with the grace of a > > ballet dancer and looks just as comfortable doing it as an 80 year old > > blues musician (but more spry!) > > ..there's an interesting mental aside here about who we use as examples of > what a piece of gear is capable of. The Andre exploits the EDP more fully > than anyone I've ever come across, I've still heard very few people actually > attempt anything similar (seems like Torn has copped an Andre lick or two, > and I know I certainly have, but to a very different end...) Same with > Bill - which his Repeater useage is remarkable, it's just an extension of > his remarkable musicianship, and I'm sure he'd make a unique noise with a > fretless banjo and zoom bass effetcs unit. In the case of peeps like Dre the > hamster dude and Billy Ray Walker, they are terrible examples of anything > other than being one-offs. Even having watched and been mesmerised by Bill's > music (or maybe it was the monkey suit...), I still didn't want to get or > explore a repeater, any more than listening to Tori Amos makes me want to > get a piano, or Kelly Joe Phelps makes me want to play guitar. I did however > want to make music that had a similar impact on my audience to the vibe I > got from Bill's choonage. With Andre, it was his playing and ideas and > aesthetic that drew to get an EDP, plain and simple, but I still wouldn't > use much of what he does as an example of what to do with an EDP. It's more > an example of what to do with an Andre! shamown! > > Another quick example - is an EDP more versatile than a JamMan? Of course it > is, any muppet could tell you that from comparing the manuals, but you > wouldn't get that feeling if you watched Phil Keaggy play - you'd come away > feeling like the JamMan was about the coolest box anyone ever invented. > Which says more about Mr Keaggy than it does about the JamMan. It's only > when your mind and paradigm are applied to both units that you get to see > which 'fits'... > > ...just a mind ramble from a very hot afternoon in London... I'm off to > Italy in the morning, to play a gig, and to record some schtuff with the > wonderful Luca Formentini, so it's gonna be a loopalcious weekend (currently > listening to Luca's 'A Life From The Inside' CD, which is fantastic - not > sure if it's available yet though...) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 13:39:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DHbVe25300; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:37:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:37:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <161.242ad537.2c6bd151@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:37:21 EDT Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_161.242ad537.2c6bd151_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_161.242ad537.2c6bd151_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/03 12:10:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > (currently > listening to Luca's 'A Life From The Inside' CD steve.....please remind luca that i've been wanting to get more of his music for a long time.....:).....michael --part1_161.242ad537.2c6bd151_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/13/0= 3 12:10:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


(currently
listening to Luca's 'A Life From The Inside' CD


steve.....please remind luca that i've been wanting to get more of his music= for a long time.....:).....michael --part1_161.242ad537.2c6bd151_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 14:23:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DIJcC29755; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.1f2f5c9d.2c6bdb2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:19:22 EDT Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7DIJbW29731 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo, In speaking of his last solo album, "Not Dancing For Chicken," Steve writes >So some of the stuff on the album is in the juggernaut style that you >describe. Some is in the ultra-simple one loop with melody and solo style, >and others are a bit more developmental, bringing in some of the stuff >that's possible with the feedback control on the EDP. This sort of variety in approach is just one of the things makes listening to his discs such a sublime pleasure. A great many of us loopsters would do well to think more like this . . . including myself. It's never to late to learn (heheh). Just 'cuz you have 31 flavors at your disposal doesn't mean you have to use 'em all . . . all of the time . . . in every tune. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 15:04:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DJ1ue01009; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:01:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:01:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030813190149.99092.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001701c36180$a43ec0b0$bc1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3iZ80C.A.qP.jsoO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (ooops, sorry, Per; this went to you instead of the list the first time!) --- Per Boysen wrote: > Well, this was posted in a thread about "instantly > accessible pitched > down/bass sound". I was particularly aiming at the > Repeater... Someone gave a short description of Bill Walker doing pitch shifting his loops by sending commands to his Repeater: can anyone (especially Bill!) go into more detail on this? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 15:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DJ61M01645; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:06:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:06:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.161.100] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <001701c36180$a43ec0b0$bc1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> <3F3A1FB7.685AB600@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Motif 6 (was curves) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:05:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C36193.3AB01190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:05:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2003 19:05:54.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB8333A0:01C361CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C36193.3AB01190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff, I use a Motif 6 and I'm very happy with it, though I don't regard it as = an especially 'intuitive' instrument (as in easy to manipulate and = navigate its ample capabilities in a live setting) - but probably = Andre's excellent current theme of instrument intimacy is likely to = apply here. I should note that my background is not that of the = synthesizer/sequencer adept (I do play keys but guitar is my primary = instrument). In that regard, it is mainly the user interface part of its = operating system that I dislike, particularly its functional hierarchy = (there's probably a supreme logic to it that I have yet to fully grasp). = I sometimes get frustrated trying to do something when I find out I've = 'navigated the functional tree' down the wrong branch and there's a = different, 'proper' approach to what I want to do. Sometimes I find it, = sometimes I don't. Spending more of my copious spare time with it and = its user manual would probably help. Its manual, like most manuals, is = documentary in nature, I.e., not especially helpful at providing insight = into its underlying concepts and architecture (thereby promoting = understanding of the user interface). Frequenting the available Motif = user groups would seem like a good idea... That being said, I really LOVE (caps for emphasis) its sound quality and = tonal capability. I'm not ashamed to use a few very nice factory sounds = (with minor manipulations as I generally drive it from my guitar synth) = in my music. Its sequencer is more than capable of what I need from it = (composition on one hand, scratch pad and some rudimentary MIDI looping = on the other). The sampler is great although it's accessible via said = user interface and takes a while to get the hang of completely (in my = future). I don't know if the new version is any different with regard to = functional menus and user interface design. I have experienced = occasionally running out of polyphony when sequencing complete songs (it = seems drum voices are the main culprit for that), so it seems the latest = version would offer an advantage there. Polyphony overrun is only a = problem when auditioning heavy sequences on the Motif itself - I = generally work around it by overhauling and committing finished MIDI = tracks onto Protools and driving them individually. I hope this helps give you an idea. I'd be happy to try and answer = specific questions if any. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Shirkey=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and = Chaste) > >The main impetus for having the big rigs tends to be a desire for = lots >of different sounds, and wanting to be able to access a wide variety = of >different textures. > >But isn't it interesting how some people will spend decades playing >"just" a piano, or a tabla, or their own voice, and find ongoing >inspiration and freedom within the confines of "one sound"? Excellent points. I'm struggling with a related question, if anyone=20 cares to offer some advice. I'd like to add a nice synth to my rig--and I don't even play=20 keys--but I'd like to learn. In the meantime, I'd use its rather=20 massive sequencing capabilities of by employing it as a kind of=20 musical scratch pad--both for practice with my guitar and for=20 composing tunes. I wanted to get a Yamaha Motif 6. But then I found out that there is=20 a newer, bigger, better, more powerful version, the Motif ES 6, that=20 will be available shortly. I figured that surely the regular Motif 6=20 would do all that I wanted from a synth and then some. But after=20 looking over the ES 6's specs, I have a nagging feeling that I would=20 regret not getting the latest, greatest upgraded product. For one=20 thing, it has 128 note polyphony. The regular Motif has 62 poly. The=20 ES has new(er), upgraded voices, and a host of other features. Does anyone here use a Motif? If so, would you care to advise me on=20 which one to purchase? Thanks, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C36193.3AB01190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jeff,
 
I use a Motif 6 and I'm very happy with it, though I don't regard = it as an=20 especially 'intuitive' instrument (as in easy to manipulate and navigate = its=20 ample capabilities in a live setting) - but probably Andre's excellent = current=20 theme of instrument intimacy is likely to apply here.
 
I should note that my background is not that of the = synthesizer/sequencer=20 adept (I do play keys but guitar is my primary instrument). In that = regard, it=20 is mainly the user interface part of its operating system that I = dislike,=20 particularly its functional hierarchy (there's probably a supreme logic = to it=20 that I have yet to fully grasp). I sometimes get frustrated trying = to do=20 something when I find out I've 'navigated the functional tree' down the = wrong=20 branch and there's a different, 'proper' approach to what I want to do.=20 Sometimes I find it, sometimes I don't. Spending more of my copious = spare time=20 with it and its user manual would probably help. Its manual, like most = manuals,=20 is documentary in nature, I.e., not especially=20 helpful at providing insight into its underlying concepts and=20 architecture (thereby promoting understanding of the user interface).=20 Frequenting the available Motif user groups would seem like a good = idea...
 
That being said, I really LOVE (caps for emphasis) its sound = quality and=20 tonal capability. I'm not ashamed to use a few very nice factory sounds=20 (with minor manipulations as I generally drive it from my guitar = synth) in=20 my music. Its sequencer is more than capable of what I need from it = (composition=20 on one hand, scratch pad and some rudimentary MIDI looping on the = other). The=20 sampler is great although it's accessible via said user interface and = takes a=20 while to get the hang of completely (in my future).
 
I don't know if the new version is any different with regard to = functional=20 menus and user interface design. I have experienced occasionally running = out of=20 polyphony when sequencing complete songs (it seems drum voices are the = main=20 culprit for that), so it seems the latest version would offer an = advantage=20 there. Polyphony overrun is only a problem when auditioning heavy = sequences on=20 the Motif itself - I generally work around it by overhauling and = committing=20 finished MIDI tracks onto Protools and driving them individually.
 
I hope this helps give you an idea. I'd be happy to try and = answer=20 specific questions if any.
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Shirkey
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, = 2003 4:59=20 AM
Subject: Re: Dangerous = (learning) curves=20 (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste)

>
>The main impetus for having the big rigs = tends to=20 be a desire for lots
>of different sounds, and wanting to be = able to=20 access a wide variety of
>different textures.
>
>But = isn't=20 it interesting how some people will spend decades = playing
>"just" a=20 piano, or a tabla, or their own voice, and find = ongoing
>inspiration and=20 freedom within the confines of "one sound"?

Excellent points. = I'm=20 struggling with a related question, if anyone
cares to offer some=20 advice.

I'd like to add a nice synth to my rig--and I don't = even play=20
keys--but I'd like to learn. In the meantime, I'd use its rather=20
massive sequencing capabilities of by employing it as a kind of=20
musical scratch pad--both for practice with my guitar and for=20
composing tunes.

I wanted to get a Yamaha Motif 6. But then = I found=20 out that there is
a newer, bigger, better, more powerful version, = the=20 Motif ES 6, that
will be available shortly. I figured that surely = the=20 regular Motif 6
would do all that I wanted from a synth and then = some. But=20 after
looking over the ES 6's specs, I have a nagging feeling that = I would=20
regret not getting the latest, greatest upgraded product. For one=20
thing, it has 128 note polyphony. The regular Motif has 62 poly. = The=20
ES has new(er), upgraded voices, and a host of other = features.

Does=20 anyone here use a Motif? If so, would you care to advise me on =
which one=20 to = purchase?

Thanks,

Jeff

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C36193.3AB01190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 19:23:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DNJ8Q29097; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:19:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:21:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Selecting vendors In-Reply-To: <159.22eefc59.2c6aeb4e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:15 PM 8/12/2003, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >kim.....can you have more than one vendor on the LD list? yes, I could have others I guess. Currently I have Zzounds, Amazon, and Sonic Foundry. Zzounds used to have an exclusive requirement, but they dropped that (along with the commission they pay...), so I can put their competitors on there if I want to. Which one would you like to see? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 19:35:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DNYOs31638; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:34:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:34:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030813233422.40278.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Repeater pitch shift To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030813190149.99092.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Someone gave a short description of Bill Walker doing > pitch shifting his loops by sending commands to his > Repeater: can anyone (especially Bill!) go into more > detail on this? If you send the Repeater midi notes, it interprets them as pitch shift commands, so you can play something into the loop, and then play tunes with it using a keyboard (or a wind controller, like Rick does). Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 19:50:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7DNmb501291; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:48:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:48:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Selecting vendors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-Peak-Metrics: a.mail.peak.org 1191; bulk Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Score: -1 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 06:15 PM 8/12/2003, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >>kim.....can you have more than one vendor on the LD list? > >yes, I could have others I guess. Currently I have Zzounds, Amazon, >and Sonic Foundry. Zzounds used to have an exclusive requirement, >but they dropped that (along with the commission they pay...), so I >can put their competitors on there if I want to. > >Which one would you like to see? > I deal with audiomidi.com quite a bit, if you had a click through fro them, I'd use it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 20:07:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E04TC02614; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.187.95.111] X-Originating-Email: [martijn_2m@hotmail.com] From: "Martijn 2M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:04:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2003 00:04:22.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D743180:01C361F7] Resent-Message-ID: <7kgwtB.A.vo.MItO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, yep, I am. Sometimes I take the laptop out on gigs or jams, and I use Ableton Live for various things : playing samples and/or playing & manipulating drum loops and/or also live loop recording/playing etc. I use the fcb1010 to control Live. I have no experience with jam-man or edp , but I find Ableton Live to be extremely flexible, and I like that I can integrate certain effects (VST) into the looper (pc) itself. Regards, Martijn >From: "Jonah, Jim" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" > >Subject: Ableton Live? >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:14:25 -0400 > >Is anyone using Ableton Live for live looping? > >----------------- >Jim > >"Knowledge is knowing a street is one way. Wisdom is still looking in both >directions." > > > > >The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It >contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named >addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or >disclose >it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately >and then destroy it. > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 20:09:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E07bb02916; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:07:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:07:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813170656.040a2ea8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:09:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: gibson echoplex - how -what -why - Remultiply, Loop Windowing, Reverse. In-Reply-To: <006101c36172$b9293f40$4a318751@vr1> References: <006601c360ad$74a6c100$d0cf7ad5@vr1> <3F39A8F4.436CA41F@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_zYjGB.A.bt.ILtO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:13 AM 8/13/2003, ishq wrote: >Well the edp looks rather mouth watering ! Loop windowing and remultiply and >stuff certainly make this very enticing , can anyone recommend a good source >for an echoplex in the uk - are they still in production ? yes, the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus units are out now. Find a Gibson dealer and ask them about it. >i have noticed >some good deals on ebay.com....guessing these units are 120v ? maybe there >240v switchable , thanks again..... there is a switch on the back to convert it between 120/240. Just make sure it is in the right position for you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 20:45:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E0hfl06085; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:43:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:43:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c361fd$17fd4400$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <001701c36180$a43ec0b0$bc1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> <3F3A1FB7.685AB600@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:43:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-G6fu.A.8eB.8stO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, As usual, great food for thought in your post here. I'm reminded of something that I read from Eno (gasp!) a few years back that really stuck with me. The basic thought was: intimacy with your instrument is what allows interesting, unique, personal things to happen within your performance. Newer technologies, or an amass of technologies, can create too many options. Too many options reduces the chance of intimacy with your instrument. I agree with that, as it has been my own experience. I own 2 EDPs, and I *do* occasionally move on to a new technique or feature, just to explore it. But when I'm in the mood to make music that pleases me, I find it important to stick with the tools and techniques that I intuitively "know". Hopefully that list is growing, but the point remains. This is how I maintain intimacy with my instruments, and make music that pleases me (and sometimes, others). Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:23 AM Subject: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) > Hi Per, > > Thanks for the comments... it makes me think of something I've noticed > with regards to the whole "learning curve" technology angle: > > What I tend to see is this: the more gear is involved in a performance, > the more the musical experience of looping seems to be about creating > this big, massive "thing" that is set into motion, and then sort of > spins around of its own accord, almost independently of the player. > > There's a funny parallel between musical gear and motor vehicles in that > way: the music that tends to be made by artists with loads of equipment > in their rigs often strikes me as being like a giant 18-wheeler semi > truck: it takes a long time to get started, it takes a long time to slow > down, and you have to plan your turns half a block in advance on account > of the massive size involved. But it certainly can sound impressive > when it's up and running... > > I can't help but think that a lot of this has to do with the "mental > fatigue" angle you and Andreas brought up... it seems like the more > stuff is involved in the actual rig, the more mentally demanding it > tends to be to steer it in a particular direction, with a particular > sense of speed. And the easier it can be to change the rig around, swap > components in and out, and alter signal paths... which in many ways > forces a person to start all over again with the whole curve of using > their "instrument" in an agile and intuitive manner. > > The main impetus for having the big rigs tends to be a desire for lots > of different sounds, and wanting to be able to access a wide variety of > different textures. > > But isn't it interesting how some people will spend decades playing > "just" a piano, or a tabla, or their own voice, and find ongoing > inspiration and freedom within the confines of "one sound"? Isn't it > funny how often it's harder to make a decision about what to play with > dozens of options availble, instead of just one or two? And isn't it > strange (and scary) how easy it is to constantly want to modify, or > change, or upgrade, or trade up, a piece of electronic music gear, when > we find ourselves frustrated with the music we make with it? > > Wired magazine had a really good article on this subject: > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.05/laptop_pr.html > > It's ostensibly geared (no pun intended) towards the laptop music realm, > but the ideas it addresses apply to pretty much any performing musician > who's ever tried to use "external gear" as an instrument... > > I'm not trying to knock anybody here - there are plenty of folks with > huge rigs and huge sounds who I really enjoy listening to. I'm just > thinking out loud about things that have crossed my mind many a time. > (And trying to see how many more innuendos I can squeeze into a subject line...) > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 21:13:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E1AoM08898; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:10:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813180437.0411afa8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:12:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste In-Reply-To: <001701c36180$a43ec0b0$bc1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> References: <3F39AAEF.35E87AB5@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:52 AM 8/13/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >Please don't misunderstand me because I was quoting Kim's expression >"washy...". I certainly did not mean to look down on ambient music. In >fact I love that style and have been playing it myself for many decades. >I just think that "washy..." is such a great and funny expression! This >might be just because English isn't my native language, but to me that >word does exactly nail a certain feeling; the feeling you can get after >playing slow and ambient music for a while until the adrenaline starts >building up and you simply have to play some "dirty" or high-tempo stuff >or you will just explode. It's A Question Of Balance ;-D haha, did I call ambient music "washy"? It's possible, I've called ambient music many things.... How about wishy-washy? "hmm, I just can't decide what note to play next, so I'll just let this one keep on droning for a few minutes while I consider my options." Or another great word - "swishy"! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 21:19:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E1ICu10028; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <13.20cf58b6.2c6c3d4f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:18:07 EDT Subject: Re: Selecting vendors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13.20cf58b6.2c6c3d4f_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13.20cf58b6.2c6c3d4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/03 7:19:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > Which one would you like to see? > > sweetwater.....but only if they slip you some scoot when we buy.....michael --part1_13.20cf58b6.2c6c3d4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/13/0= 3 7:19:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


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sweetwater.....but only if they slip you some scoot when we buy.....michael<= /FONT> --part1_13.20cf58b6.2c6c3d4f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 21:29:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E1SLw11458; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:28:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Selecting vendors Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-912915494 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 0e6e1545 aee23e9e 5070e172 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <13.20cf58b6.2c6c3d4f@aol.com> Message-Id: <92E45EC8-CDF6-11D7-9808-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-912915494 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Something no one has mentioned is buying from Ebay vendors. You often can find people with new items that are in stock when no one else has them and at a lower price than many. A lot of them have decent return policies and ship reasonably fast. The great thing about these people is FEEDBACK. How is this vendor? Let's look at his feedback? Are a lot of people saying the shipping was too slow? Item not as described? Problems? You can comment feedback ratings on ebay, but you can't delete them, so a negative comment is on your permanent record. Gives sellers (and buyers) extra incentive to provide good service. I just trashed the guy who won my pre amp auction because he basically won the auction and then went out to his local music shop and bought something different and bailed on me. (luckily for me the next bidder still wanted it and took it) Now, when he bids on someone else's auction that person can reject the bid because he's a flake. It's kind of a great system. No one wants to be in the pubic stockade. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 06:18 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/13/03 7:19:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > Which one would you like to see? > > > > sweetwater.....but only if they slip you some scoot when we > buy.....michael --Apple-Mail-2-912915494 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Something no one has mentioned is buying from Ebay vendors. You often can find people with new items that are in stock when no one else has them and at a lower price than many. A lot of them have decent return policies and ship reasonably fast. The great thing about these people is FEEDBACK. How is this vendor? Let's look at his feedback? Are a lot of people saying the shipping was too slow? Item not as described? Problems? You can comment feedback ratings on ebay, but you can't delete them, so a negative comment is on your permanent record. Gives sellers (and buyers) extra incentive to provide good service. I just trashed the guy who won my pre amp auction because he basically won the auction and then went out to his local music shop and bought something different and bailed on me. (luckily for me the next bidder still wanted it and took it) Now, when he bids on someone else's auction that person can reject the bid because he's a flake. It's kind of a great system. No one wants to be in the pubic stockade. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 06:18 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: ArialIn a message dated 8/13/03 7:19:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: Which one would you like to see? sweetwater.....but only if they slip you some scoot when we buy.....michael --Apple-Mail-2-912915494-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 21:49:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E1m1m13606; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:48:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:48:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Hoby Ebert" To: "LoopersDelightlist" Subject: Other Vendors Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:49:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C361E4.C356F6C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C361E4.C356F6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim, I have a long and very positive relationship with Sweetwater and if I could get to them through LD, I would be most happy to do so. hoby ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C361E4.C356F6C0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+IhkBAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAANMHCAANABUAMQAAAAMAOAEB A5AGALwEAAAiAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAB4AcAAB AAAADgAAAE90aGVyIFZlbmRvcnMAAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABw2IGSdEkCwzETzJJAJHPmB4nsxFc AAACAR0MAQAAABsAAABTTVRQOkxJU1RTQE1PT05ET0dFQVNULk9SRwAACwABDgAAAABAAAYOAM5B OwZiwwECAQoOAQAAABgAAAAAAAAAjATVS7G/sU+ezz9h/XghL8KAAAALAB8OAQAAAAIBCRABAAAA 8gAAAO4AAAAbAQAATFpGddVNT7gDAAoAcmNwZzEyNRYyAPgLYG4OEDAzM08B9wKkA+MCAGNoCsBz sGV0MCAHEwKAfQqBknYIkHdrC4BkNAxgTmMAUAsDC7UgSwdwLCcKogqECoBJIBDwdmV4IGEgCQAP IBUwEoAgQRUQcnkgcG8AkHQ+aRURCXALYBaAAiBzaKUFICAD8HRoBgB3CeC8dHcXAASQFaMGkCAU 0CkFoHVsFdBnETAgdGJvGcBoZW0Z8QNgdaJnF9BMRCwZAXcZQzZiFSAEYHMFQBDwcHCLFiAZ0WQZ 4HNvLhQasGhvYnkUFBHhAB6gAAALAAGACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAADhQAAAAAAAAMAA4AI IAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCFAAAAAAAAAwAHgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAUoUAAH1u AQAeAAmACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABUhQAAAQAAAAQAAAA5LjAACwANgAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAAgoUAAAEAAAALADqACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAPIAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAAAAAAAwA9gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAGIUAAAAAAAAL AGuACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAGhQAAAAAAAAMAbIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGF AAAAAAAAAgH4DwEAAAAQAAAAjATVS7G/sU+ezz9h/XghLwIB+g8BAAAAEAAAAIwE1Uuxv7FPns8/ Yf14IS8CAfsPAQAAAHMAAAAAAAAAOKG7EAXlEBqhuwgAKypWwgAAUFNUUFJYLkRMTAAAAAAAAAAA TklUQfm/uAEAqgA32W4AAABDOlxXSU5ET1dTXEFwcGxpY2F0aW9uIERhdGFcTWljcm9zb2Z0XE91 dGxvb2tcb3V0bG9vay5wc3QAAAMA/g8FAAAAAwANNP03AAACAX8AAQAAADUAAAA8TEJFUEpPTVBM REdGQ0lEREpBSkFPRUxERENBQS5saXN0c0Btb29uZG9nZWFzdC5vcmc+AAAAAAMABhDEiJ99AwAH EHAAAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERAAAAAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAAS0lNLElIQVZFQUxPTkdBTkRWRVJZUE9T SVRJVkVSRUxBVElPTlNISVBXSVRIU1dFRVRXQVRFUkFORElGSUNPVUxER0VUVE9USEVNVEhST1VH SExELElXT1VMREJFTU9TVEhBUAAAAADP8w== ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C361E4.C356F6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 22:34:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E2Vtr17113; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:31:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c3620c$0e36ae20$b963f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308132350.h7DNovF01593@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Alesis INEKO: loop manglage: a review Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:30:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just threw caution to the wind and added even more to my poor sagging credit card this week and purshased an Alesis INEKO: What an incredible little box.............this thing has a serious amount of cool effects in it for something that fits in the palm of your hand, has stereo outs and costs $80 (with shipping included). Wow.............lo fi...........vocoder...............sample and hold filtering...............reverbs...............pitch shifting.............. ring modulation............distortion...........................bass synth addition........................it just rocks. My wife hates digital multi-effects boxes and only plays stomp box pedals in her electronic live shows and she told me..............."what a cool little box..............it is laid out really simply ..................I want one". That's when I really new that it rocked...............................more bang for the buck than anything I've ever seen. seriously.........................buy one if you can afford it. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 22:59:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E2vSk19341; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:57:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:57:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <92E45EC8-CDF6-11D7-9808-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <92E45EC8-CDF6-11D7-9808-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:57:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1JurS.A.DuE.YqvO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Something no one has mentioned is buying from Ebay vendors. You >often can find people with new items that are in stock when no one >else has them and at a lower price than many. A lot of them have >decent return policies and ship reasonably fast. The great thing >about these people is FEEDBACK. How is this vendor? I write the following based on my experiences with ebay in the last 12 hours. Without a doubt, ebay has its upside. Here is its downside: I decided to buy a new Yamaha Motif ES 6 keyboard. They aren't available yet in the US. However, they are already available in Japan. A dealer (offshore?) on ebay is already making them available to people in the US (or anywhere else for that matter) who want one. I did some checking around. His feedback is impeccable. He was fast and responsive to my emails--although I was never entirely clear exactly where he was located (both US and Japanese offices, I was told), or how he was getting the product I wanted. His price was a bit better than what US retail would be. Fast shipping. What more could someone want? Well, I inquired about the warranty. He would honor the warranty. I figured, ok, no problem--most likely anyway. But today, after talking with a US dealer about my purchase, I was sternly warned that If I buy this or *any* Yamaha product from an unauthorized dealer, I would be a virtual pariah. No support at all, including technical support, which I will surely need at some point. No service--ever! They were telling me they would be unable even to touch the unit if anything should ever go wrong. No nothing. I would be left completely out in the cold. Furthermore I was warned (perhaps a scare tactic?) that the units may not be the same as the US releases. It may have software bugs or glitches, a different, earlier OS, and so on. In short, I was urged not to go through with the purchase and to try to get a refund ASAP. This, my looping friends, is the downside. I'm not sure who to believe. The dealer I was talking with (and from whom I made an initial purchase) is almost without question reliable and honest in his dealings with buyers. It is, however, a "grey market" product, if you ask Yamaha, and they simply will not touch it, and they would have nothing to do with any customer who purchased such a product. Here's the kicker, however. Yamaha knows about this particular dealer, and yet they offer no warnings to consumers about purchasing from him or others like him. They know about ebay, of course. Do they make any attempt to cancel his auctions? Maybe they have no legal recourse for doing so?? Also, I even spoke with technical support people and mentioned to them that the ES was already for sale on ebay. The reply?? "Oh, well, yeah, they are already out in Japan. He's probably just getting them there." No warning, no mention of the product not being supported--nothing. What's up with that? I just don't get it. In any case, I'm now sitting on pins and needles waiting on my refund. I also would've/could've gotten a free PLG plug in board with my purchase--which is quite tempting indeed. And yet, in the long run, I will feel infinitely better about my purchase if it is deemed "legit" by and through a US dealer, however coerced I may feel about buying in that fashion. Any thoughts/comments? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 13 23:49:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E3lOP24309; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:47:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:47:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3B0938.D8949182@erols.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:59:52 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) References: <17f.1f2f5c9d.2c6bdb2a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Yo, > > In speaking of his last solo album, "Not Dancing For Chicken," Steve writes > > >So some of the stuff on the album is in the juggernaut style that you > >describe. Some is in the ultra-simple one loop with melody and solo style, > >and others are a bit more developmental, bringing in some of the stuff > >that's possible with the feedback control on the EDP. > > This sort of variety in approach is just one of the things makes listening > to his discs such a sublime pleasure. A great many of us loopsters would > do well to think more like this . . . including myself. It's never to late to > learn (heheh). Just 'cuz you have 31 flavors at your disposal doesn't > mean you have to use 'em all . . . all of the time . . . in every tune. > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html That's a problem I run into all of the time. I get inspired by a style of music, a paticular player, songwriter, whatever. I try to incorporate what I learn into what I do, which I think is good. It's letting go of things some time. I have to remind myself that I don't have to do everything that I can do at every gig. Over the past year I've taken up the lap steel. I love playing it, and I feel like I've developed a bit of a voice on it. However, I've dropped it from my looping show for now because it's just to much to think about. Looping my voice and processed acoustic guitar with the EDP in addition to trying to remember lyrics to my songs and the covers that I do is a big task in itself. I've noticed that I've had a much better time at gigs recently by having less to think about it. I also think the shows have been more successful musically as well. My two cents, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 01:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E5Ta902664; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:29:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:30:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Selecting vendors X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, > Which one would you like to see? Some european vendors would be nice. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 01:40:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E5dLQ03514; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:39:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:39:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.db1c411.2c6c7a83@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:39:15 EDT Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c2.db1c411.2c6c7a83_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c2.db1c411.2c6c7a83_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/03 7:57:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > In any case, I'm now sitting on pins and needles waiting on my > refund. I also would've/could've gotten a free PLG plug in board with > my purchase--which is quite tempting indeed. And yet, in the long > run, I will feel infinitely better about my purchase if it is deemed > "legit" by and through a US dealer, however coerced I may feel about > buying in that fashion. > > Any thoughts/comments? > > Jeff > I got one of the last Japanese version Sony PCM Digital Audio Converters (converts two channels of analog audio into 16-bit digital, encoded into a video signal that can be recorded onto a vcr) and I have to power it from a step-down transformer, as Jap equipment runs on 100volts ac. Dunno if your gear has a switch for that, and some people say 100v is close enough to 117v with tolerances and such, but I dunno. I'd rather be safe than sorry. probably not helpful, as usual, Tim --part1_1c2.db1c411.2c6c7a83_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/13/03 7:57:39 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

In any case, I'm now sitting on= pins and needles waiting on my
refund. I also would've/could've gotten a free PLG plug in board with
my purchase--which is quite tempting indeed. And yet, in the long
run, I will feel infinitely better about my purchase if it is deemed
"legit" by and through a US dealer, however coerced I may feel about
buying in that fashion.

Any thoughts/comments?

Jeff


I got one of the last Japanese version Sony PCM Digital Audio Converters (co= nverts two channels of analog audio into 16-bit digital, encoded into a vide= o signal that can be recorded onto a vcr) and I have to power it from a step= -down transformer, as Jap equipment runs on 100volts ac. Dunno if your gear=20= has a switch for that, and some people say 100v is close enough to 117v with= tolerances and such, but I dunno. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

probably not helpful, as usual,

Tim --part1_1c2.db1c411.2c6c7a83_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 01:59:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E5wT705391; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1c2.db1c411.2c6c7a83@aol.com> References: <1c2.db1c411.2c6c7a83@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:58:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5S5oW.A.GUB.FUyO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I got one of the last Japanese version Sony PCM Digital Audio >Converters (converts two channels of analog audio into 16-bit >digital, encoded into a video signal that can be recorded onto a >vcr) and I have to power it from a step-down transformer, as Jap >equipment runs on 100volts ac. Dunno if your gear has a switch for >that, and some people say 100v is close enough to 117v with >tolerances and such, but I dunno. I'd rather be safe than sorry. > Actually, quite helpful, since that's an angle I had never considered. Anyway, I hope I have good news to report in a day or two (max!) Re: my refund. I know I'll have to swallow a cancellation fee, but hopefully that's it. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 02:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E6Dlu06729; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.182.191] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:13:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2003 06:13:39.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[33F4E8B0:01C3622B] Resent-Message-ID: <_vFmlB.A.BpB.biyO_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Just 'cuz you have 31 flavors at your disposal doesn't > > mean you have to use 'em all . . . all of the time . . . in every tune. > > Interesting topic, this thread. I seem to undergo this sort of epiphany every few months! Actually, at my clinic at this year's Loopstock I discussed just this very thing. As loopists, we on this list are genuinely curious about varied and various looping techniques, their process and result, and about the gear used to achieve all of this. And, within the "realm" of digital audio, both in sound production and treatment, we are somewhat at the mercy of technology (or so it might seem at times). Through all of this we sometimes forget it is about music, not music equipment. I was recently asked to return for a performance at a coffeehouse/restaurant where I had done a solo looping show several weeks ago. At that show, thinking of being "impressive", I took the whole kit; four basses, ebows, fx rack (with JamMan and two rack processors), pedal board (with TWO DL4's and an AdrenaLinn) MIDI controller, even a CD player with random sounds and "soundbites" from CNN and such for "found" vocals, all run in stereo..... And, I played it all...bass treatments, backwards stuff, percussion, muti-looped mayhem and madness. And..for the most part...the audience could care less. Through all of my concern with fx pathes, loop banks, MIDI controller and pgm changes, beat synced delays and whatnot, I failed to make any genuine contact with the audience. I was much more captivated by my blinking LEDs and my own little footpedal ballet, that I mght as well have been playing a pre-recorded CD. The audience was not "impressed"(save for but a few, who mostly enjoyed the array of pedals and blinking lights), in fact, they were generally bored.... Imagine my surprise at being asked back! So this time I switched things up. I went back with only a fretless bass, DL4, a DI box, and a pignose amp...all battery operated! Needless to say this put the emphasis back on my own musical, and looping, abilities with limited technology. Because I could focus on the music, not the gear, I was able to engage the audience and it was a wonderful night...and some really fantastic looping music was made. In fact, having LESS gear, and fewer sonic "options" made the whole thing somehow more creative...and yes, this time the audience was impressed, but by the music, and the loops, not by the equipment. Now, I am not against fx or "big rigs"...but I have found that creativity does not always lie in myriad of options. And, sometimes scoping down can uncover possibilities which otherwise would have been missed. I too have been mesmerized and amazed by Bill Walker's work...so obvious he has spent incredible amounts of time working with his gear that it seems so perfectly natural and in tune with his performance. I also memsemerized and amazed by 'Dre's work with just a guitar, EDP and amp. And what Steve Lawson might be doing with 12 EDPs and 7 DL4s just leaves me in speechless! Yet, in my own playing, the more buttons I have to push, the more switches and knobs which might require tinkering (and they seem to beckon you, don't they?), the more options I have, then the less focus I have on the music ( and throw MIDI anything into my equation and you are looking at a meltdown of catastrphic proportions!). I have been, for some time now, on the brink of getting an EDP, or Repeater (or both), yet always back off. For now, I am using my JamMan, an upgraded version with Bob Sellon's new chips, and have spent alot of time working with it. I know it, I can play it like an instrument (and I don't NEED MIDI!) I use my TC M-One for fx, as I know that machine also...and can work it quite well. With those, my bass, my hands and imagination, I hvae been doing some really cool stuff. My Adrenalinn, on the other hand, is fairly new and I don't know it that well. When I bring it into the mix, the "gee whiz" factor takes effect and I am bombarded with more options....the music tends to lose focus and continuity. And in a performance, I am always tap dancing the MIDI pedal, or spinning those little dials for a new patch (which is very infrequently the RIGHT one), and whatever dialogue or rappor I might have with the audience is shot; enter the "gear-gazing zone". Then there's all those cables........... Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 02:21:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E6Kel07470; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:20:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:20:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:20:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6C1791F3-CE1F-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sounds to me like you knew the keyboard was not out yet in the US, so something must have been up. Frankly, the worst of it would have been the Japanese manual you'd have to read. My guess is that an English manual for a Yamaha piece of gear is worth the wait. Back in the day there was a lot of gray market camera and electronics stuff going on. Maybe there still is. Your vendor didn't seem to be hiding anything, just not advertising what it was. Buyer beware and all. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 10:58 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> I got one of the last Japanese version Sony PCM Digital Audio >> Converters (converts two channels of analog audio into 16-bit >> digital, encoded into a video signal that can be recorded onto a vcr) >> and I have to power it from a step-down transformer, as Jap equipment >> runs on 100volts ac. Dunno if your gear has a switch for that, and >> some people say 100v is close enough to 117v with tolerances and >> such, but I dunno. I'd rather be safe than sorry. >> > > Actually, quite helpful, since that's an angle I had never considered. > > Anyway, I hope I have good news to report in a day or two (max!) Re: > my refund. I know I'll have to swallow a cancellation fee, but > hopefully that's it. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 02:28:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E6RU808140; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:27:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:27:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6C1791F3-CE1F-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <6C1791F3-CE1F-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:27:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It sounds to me like you knew the keyboard was not out yet in the >US, so something must have been up. But when I talked to yamaha tech support and specifically said, "Hey, guys, did you know that there's someone on ebay selling the ES already?"?? And they basically told me, "Yeah, so...?" In other words, they gave me no reason to think I might encounter problems if I bought one. > Frankly, the worst of it would have been the Japanese manual you'd >have to read. My guess is that an English manual for a Yamaha piece >of gear is worth the Magic of the internet. I already have the manual downloaded. But, yes, it would be nice to have an English manual in hand. > Buyer beware and all. I certainly learned a lesson. And I went into it thinking (mistakenly) that I had all bases covered. I didn't go into it blindly--just not as informed as I ought to have been. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 02:48:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E6lLB09386; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:47:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:47:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:47:14 EDT Subject: Re: Yamaha was Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > buy this or *any* Yamaha product from an unauthorized dealer, I would > be a virtual pariah. No support at all, including technical support, > which I will surely need at some point. Yamaha tech support (in UK at least) is a guy who answers the phone and can read a manual. That guy doesn't have any other source of information, no dialog with the designers or anything. So I don't think you'd be missing much ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 03:47:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E7kAE14372; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 03:46:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 03:46:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030814004728.0410bfb8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:48:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Selecting vendors In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:30 PM 8/13/2003, Ian Petersen wrote: >Kim, > > > Which one would you like to see? > >Some european vendors would be nice. such as? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 04:26:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E8OfR18379; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:24:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:24:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c3623d$8084cda0$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F64FE@cwus-dtw-pri02.compuware.com> Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:24:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is anyone using Ableton Live for live looping? yes, I have - and getting a lot of joy from it, both for realtime sampling & for use as a VST host with e.g. mdaLooplex. plug: you can get a free CD of some of our music, made with Live (amongst other things), here: http://www.darkroom-freefall.org/ cheers, os. > > ----------------- > Jim > > "Knowledge is knowing a street is one way. Wisdom is still looking in both > directions." > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately > and then destroy it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 05:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E92Po21823; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c36242$c4a64360$0207a8c0@eskimo> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <3F39AAEF.35E87AB5@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030813180437.0411afa8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:02:13 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <9pKJMC.A.2UF.gA1O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah, that's a bad generalization as well. > At 02:52 AM 8/13/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > >Please don't misunderstand me because I was quoting Kim's expression > >"washy...". I certainly did not mean to look down on ambient music. In > >fact I love that style and have been playing it myself for many decades. > >I just think that "washy..." is such a great and funny expression! This > >might be just because English isn't my native language, but to me that > >word does exactly nail a certain feeling; the feeling you can get after > >playing slow and ambient music for a while until the adrenaline starts > >building up and you simply have to play some "dirty" or high-tempo stuff > >or you will just explode. It's A Question Of Balance ;-D > > haha, did I call ambient music "washy"? It's possible, I've called ambient > music many things.... > > How about wishy-washy? "hmm, I just can't decide what note to play next, so > I'll just let this one keep on droning for a few minutes while I consider > my options." > > Or another great word - "swishy"! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 05:21:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E9J1o22811; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:19:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:19:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c37aa1$37ac7c00$41197ad5@vr1> From: "ishq" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F64FE@cwus-dtw-pri02.compuware.com> <000d01c3623d$8084cda0$2ccfc22b@AOstler> Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:18:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , any chance of a link to looplex ? i tried mda's site.......i havent tried realtime looping of stuff in ableton yet......is a great tool with a unique feel and potential for sure...... best wishes, matt > > > > Is anyone using Ableton Live for live looping? > > yes, I have - and getting a lot of joy from it, both for realtime sampling & > for use as a VST host with e.g. mdaLooplex. > > plug: you can get a free CD of some of our music, made with Live (amongst > other things), here: > http://www.darkroom-freefall.org/ > > > cheers, > os. > > > > > ----------------- > > Jim > > > > "Knowledge is knowing a street is one way. Wisdom is still looking in both > > directions." > > > > > > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It > > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or > disclose > > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us > immediately > > and then destroy it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 05:36:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E9YbP24209; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:34:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:34:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010501c37aa3$67b4b5a0$41197ad5@vr1> From: "ishq" To: References: <006601c360ad$74a6c100$d0cf7ad5@vr1> <3F39A8F4.436CA41F@earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030813170656.040a2ea8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: gibson echoplex - how -what -why - Remultiply, Loop Windowing, Reverse. Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:34:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-ne9ZB.A.I6F.te1O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cheers kim, looks like i may have already located via the list possibly , handy to know there switcable voltage......... best wishes, matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:09 AM Subject: Re: gibson echoplex - how -what -why - Remultiply, Loop Windowing, Reverse. > At 01:13 AM 8/13/2003, ishq wrote: > >Well the edp looks rather mouth watering ! Loop windowing and remultiply and > >stuff certainly make this very enticing , can anyone recommend a good source > >for an echoplex in the uk - are they still in production ? > > yes, the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus units are out now. Find a Gibson > dealer and ask them about it. > > >i have noticed > >some good deals on ebay.com....guessing these units are 120v ? maybe there > >240v switchable , thanks again..... > > there is a switch on the back to convert it between 120/240. Just make sure > it is in the right position for you. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 05:59:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7E9qCT25521; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:52:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:52:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:52:04 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT gig spam: Tim O`Dwyer Japan Tour August 2003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim O`Dwyer Japan Tour August 2003 Tour Dates: August 19th BIG APPLE Tim O`Dwyer (saxophones/ electronics) Sunao Inami (Computer) Kazuya Ishigami (Computer) Tetsutada Fukunishi(Sax,Flute,etc) Doors open 18:30 Concert Starts: 19:30 adv 1,800$B(B door 2,00 Big Apple 3-14-14-B1,Yamamoto Dori,Cyuou Ku,Kobe City Hyogo,Japan 650-0003 tel&fax +81 (0)78 251 7049 big-apple@i.bekkoame.ne.jp http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/big-apple/ map: http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/big-apple/NewFiles/map.html AUGUST 20th to 31st KYOTO ARTS CENTER (Tatami Room) Premier of surround sound installation by renowned Japanese sculpture NAKHASHI Katsushige and Tim O`Dwyer. Mr Nakahashi will present his documentary film of the burning of his Zero in Kyoto with six channel surround- soundtrack by Tim O`Dwyer. This collaboration will be part three of Mr Nakahashi`s Zero Project in Kyoto at the Kyoto Arts Center. Tim O`Dwyer is greatly honoured to be apart of this important project in the context of Japanese history. Thank you to Australian composer and computer musician Mark Elliot and to Japanese computer musician Sunao Inami for their technical assistance. For more information about Zero Project in Kyoto and Mr Nakahashi`s work please visit: http://www.kac.or.jp/ KYOTO ARTS CENTER Exhibition will be open between 10:00 to 17:00 Sunday to Saturday ５46-2 Yamafushiyama- cho, Nakagyo-ku, Kyoto 604-8156 AUGUST 21st CLUB OTOYA Tim O`Dwyer (saxophones/ electronics) Sunao Inami (Computer) Kazuya Ishigami (Computer) Machiko Kitagawa (koto, effects) Geckko (Didgeridoo) Drs open 18:00 start 19:00 Adv 1,500$B(B dr 1,800 Club OTOYA Iwasaki Buld. B1,4-9-14,Kanou cyo,Cyuou Ku,Kobe City Hyogo,Japan 650-0001 tel&fax +81 (0) 78 393 2758 otoya@cavestudio.org http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya map: http://www.cavestudio.org/otoya/map.html AUGUST 23rd BRIDGE (OSAKA) SOUNDS OF EXILES Tim O`Dwyer (saxophones/ electronics) Sunao Inami (Computer) Kazuya Ishigami (Computer) Machiko Kitagawa (koto, effects) Makoto Inada : Contra Bass, Tetsuji Iwasaki : Elec Bass) Drs open 18:00/ start 19:00 Adv 1,500$B(B dr 1,800 Bridge Art Park 8F,3-4-36 Ebisu Cho,Naniwa Ku,Osaka City, Osaka,Japan tel&fax +81 (0) 6 6634 0080 info@beyond-innocence.org http:www.beyond-innocence.org map: http:www.beyond-innocence.org AUGUST 24th IMPROVISED MUSIC WORKSHOP CAP HOUSE Tim O`Dwyer will conduct a 2 hour workshop on improvised music. Part1. Talk by Tim O`Dwyer about improvising techniques. Part2. Solo/ Duo playing. Focus on Electronic and Acoustic instrument combinations. Part 3. Large conducted ensemble. Improvisations will be played in a large group situation conducted by Tim O`Dwyer. Please book to reserve your space. Workshop will start at 15:00 Price 1,000 CAPHOUSE > 3-19-8 Yamamoto DorimCyuou Ku,Kobe City > Hyogo,Japan 650-0003 > tel&fax +81 (0) 78 230 8707 > caphouse@cap-kobe.com > http://www.cap-kobe.com/ AUGUST 25th EIUNIN TEMPLE IN KURODANI OPEN REHEARSAL PERFORMACNE Masami Yurabe- dancer Tim O`Dwyer- saxophones Eme Suzuki - dancer Katayama Kyokusei- tikuzen biwa Presentation of works in progress by Masami, Eme and Tim O`Dwyer. Various conceptual approaches will be explored in duos, and trio`s. Program notes available on night with the audience invited to participate in open discussion of works in progress. Doors open at 17:30 Performance start 18:30 Entry by donation. Eiunin Temple Kyoto-shi Sakyo-ku Kurodani-cho 121 Map for Eiunin Temple attached to email. AUGUST 27th APPEL (TOKYO) Tim O`Dwyer- Saxophone/ electronics AKIYAMA Tetuzi- guitar Price and times tbc- check website for updates Appel 5-29-20, Kyodo, Setagaya-ku,Tokyo tel $B!& (Bfax 03-5426-2411 http://www.bit-rabbit.com SEPTEMBER 1st CAF$B%(BINDEPENDENCE Tim O`Dwyer- saxophones/ electronics SOLO. Doors open 18:00 Start 19:00 Price ? Caf$B;(BIndependence Nakagyou-ku, Sanzyou-miyukimati-kado, 1928 building B1 Kyoto This tour was made possible by the generous support of Arts Victoria, C.U.E. at Caphouse and the Kyoto Arts Centre. http://www.arts.vic.gov.au/ http://www.kac.or.jp/ http://www.cavestudio.org/ Tim O'Dwyer is a composer, saxophonist and improviser involved in a diverse range of musical genres concurrently including installation/multi-media, contemporary classical, free improvisation, punk-rock, and free jazz. After graduating from the Victorian College of the Arts in 1993 he studied saxophone with Evan Parker and composition with Richard Barrett in London and Amsterdam. He has been a recipient of numerous Australia Council and Arts Victoria funding for overseas study, recording, touring and commissions. Over the last ten years Tim has composed small and large scale works of notation and for improvisers with his band Bucketrider and Elision Ensemble that have been performed and critically acclaimed throughout Australia, Europe, Japan and in New York. A major part of his creative work has involved cross-art form collaboration with visual artists. He has been commissioned by the Queensland Art Gallery to write music in response to the their acquisition Void #13 by Anglo/Indian sculptor Anish KAPOOR, subsequently recorded at Radio Bremen in 2000. The The Festival of Perth for the installation Lament of Desire with Elision Ensemble and Thai artist Araya Rasdjaarmrearnsook. Recently Tim has worked on developing an approach to composition that juxtaposes blocks of dense layers of sounds with blocks of silence. His solo project 'multiple-repeat' recorded and commissioned by Radio Bremen in May 2002 illustrates this approach utilising saxophones as the sound source overdubbed many times. This multi- layering aesthetic has been further developed for real-time composition with the use of Max/MSP processing and occupies his current solo work, particularly in eight-channel surround sound. At present, Tim is holding a commission to write a new chamber work for voice and five instruments to be premiered by Elision Ensemble in early 2004. He was born in Melbourne, Australia in 1971. "The playing is phenomenal, but it's totally hermetic" --Greg Hooper RealTime Magazine. (Australia) "Somewhere between Arvo Part's ethereal choral work and German band Einsturzende Neubaten's industrial intensity, Tim O'Dwyer's Lament of Desire was an experience I'll treasure" --Robert COOK The Western Australian [Lament of Desire] "we were all blown away! From the tight, frenzied horns exploding at the opening of 'Nexus', - you know you are in for something special. All three horns blast together with this monstrous thick & pounding rhythm team, amazingly tight and well-written horn parts. Actually this reminds me of some of the finer British avant/jazz releases of the 70's'sort of Soft Machine-'Vol. Four' 'without the keyboards. A phenomenal work throughout!" --Down Town Music Gallery (USA) Newsletter #42 [Guignol's Band, bucketrider second album on Dr. Jim's Records] "These are not just inspired improvisations: they're improvised compositions, and contain as many potential lessons for composers as for improvisers." --Richard TOOP Sounds Australia #54 [Solo Sax Show on Vox Australis] "when he goes, he goes right off, in a manner that would probably make Coltrane himself look a tad reserved and understated" --Bob Baker Fish and Tim Themi Inpress Magazine Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 07:31:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EBTmA32404; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:29:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c36257$8097ba90$97520b3e@dama> From: "Massimo Palermo_Tiscali" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030814004728.0410bfb8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Selecting vendors Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:30:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A great EUROPEAN site, here: http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/ They ship in all european countries --Massimo-- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Selecting vendors > At 10:30 PM 8/13/2003, Ian Petersen wrote: > >Kim, > > > > > Which one would you like to see? > > > >Some european vendors would be nice. > > such as? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 08:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EC2Vk02656; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:02:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:02:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Alesis INEKO: loop manglage: a review Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:02:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3625B.EF527390" Resent-Message-ID: <3MG-3C.A.ap.Xp3O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3625B.EF527390 Content-Type: text/plain Great! Good to hear! Mine should be coming in the mail today. Got it for my sister to accompany my Boomerang on her Electric Violin. . . . .should be cool. Don M www.makoviney.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Alesis INEKO: loop manglage: a review I just threw caution to the wind and added even more to my poor sagging credit card this week and purshased an Alesis INEKO: What an incredible little box.............this thing has a serious amount of cool effects in it for something that fits in the palm of your hand, has stereo outs and costs $80 (with shipping included). Wow.............lo fi...........vocoder...............sample and hold filtering...............reverbs...............pitch shifting.............. ring modulation............distortion...........................bass synth addition........................it just rocks. My wife hates digital multi-effects boxes and only plays stomp box pedals in her electronic live shows and she told me..............."what a cool little box..............it is laid out really simply ..................I want one". That's when I really new that it rocked...............................more bang for the buck than anything I've ever seen. seriously.........................buy one if you can afford it. yours, Rick Walker ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3625B.EF527390 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Alesis INEKO: loop manglage: a review

Great! Good to hear! Mine should be coming in the = mail today. Got it for my sister to accompany my Boomerang on her = Electric Violin. . . . .should be cool.

Don M
www.makoviney.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:31 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Alesis INEKO: loop manglage: a = review


I just threw caution to the wind and added even more = to my poor sagging credit card this week and purshased an Alesis = INEKO:

What an incredible little box.............this thing = has a serious amount of cool effects in it for something that fits in = the palm of your hand, has stereo outs and costs $80 (with shipping = included).

Wow.............lo = fi...........vocoder...............sample and hold = filtering...............reverbs...............pitch = shifting.............. ring = modulation............distortion...........................bass synth = addition........................it just rocks.

My wife hates digital multi-effects boxes and only = plays stomp box pedals in her electronic live shows and she told = me..............."what a cool little box..............it is laid = out really simply ..................I want one".

That's when I really new that it = rocked...............................more
bang for the buck than anything I've ever = seen.

seriously.........................buy one if you can = afford it.

yours, Rick Walker



------_=_NextPart_001_01C3625B.EF527390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 10:48:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EEkWB19785; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:46:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:46:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <17B61E0C-CE66-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh Max. You are a wise man. I'm always struggling with the same thing. My problem is I "hear" something in my head and I want to recreate it live. I feel I'm about at a good balance point. Not quite a guitar, a DL4 and an amp, but I'm getting there. I've done a few shows with the the Echo Pro and an amp, and I must admit I felt limited after a while. I'd get a nice loop going and I couldn't help but think, "man, it sure would be nice if I could slip in a little break beat right now..." My point is, I think there is a place between instrument and DL4 and 17 EDPs and a 12 space rack of processing gear. I know this doesn't make for much of a show, but that's what Maria's for! I think a blend of my schtick and a woman with only a mic is a damn good blend. On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 11:13 PM, max valentino wrote: > My Adrenalinn, on the other hand, is fairly new and I don't know it > that well. When I bring it into the mix, the "gee whiz" factor takes > effect and I am bombarded with more options....the music tends to lose > focus and continuity. That's why I got rid of my Adrenalinn. I never seemed to get over that "gee whiz" point. I think I just got to a point where I thought, "If I want an arpeggiator, I'll just use a synth and be done with it. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 10:54:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EEoRE20477; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:50:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:50:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:50:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6Kl8uD.A.y_E.zG6O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 11:27 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I certainly learned a lesson. And I went into it thinking (mistakenly) > that I had all bases covered. I didn't go into it blindly--just not as > informed as I ought to have been. > I'm not condoning gray market goods, but to be honest, the reason Yamaha guys were all "whatever" is because it's not all that big of a deal usually. Can anyone remember using warrantee service? I find usually something dies pretty quickly or lasts for a while with a brand like Yamaha. And tech service? Hahah ahahaha. That's usually a joke anyway. Of course, as I say this the next thing I buy will probably go belly up a month into me owning it. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 11:00:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EExOB22650; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:59:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:59:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:59:21 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001101c36274$a47f2430$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <006c01c36242$c4a64360$0207a8c0@eskimo> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Or another great word - "swishy"! > > > > kim > > > >> From: Steve Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > Nah, that's a bad generalization as well. Maybe "music" is "what you hear"? Well, at least for some people. My mother keeps calling any instrumental music with drums "horribly monotone" ;-D Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 11:09:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EF6wY24181; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:06:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:06:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.1849d5e9.2c6cff82@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:06:42 EDT Subject: Where's my juggernaut? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ad.1849d5e9.2c6cff82_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10698 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ad.1849d5e9.2c6cff82_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2003 4:53:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > In speaking of his last solo album, "Not Dancing For Chicken," Steve writ= > es > > >So some of the stuff on the album is in the juggernaut style that you > >describe. Hmmm . . . I must have missed this post. Could someone describe this "juggernaut" style again for this new EDP user? SteveK --part1_1ad.1849d5e9.2c6cff82_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/13/2003 4:53:04 PM Pacific Daylig= ht Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:


In speaking of his last solo al= bum, "Not Dancing For Chicken," Steve writ=3D
es

>So some of the stuff on the album is in the juggernaut style that you >describe.


Hmmm . . .  I must have= missed this post.  Could someone describe this "juggernaut" style agai= n for this new EDP user?

SteveK  --part1_1ad.1849d5e9.2c6cff82_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 11:54:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EFpg130907; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:51:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:51:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6G4Y0D.A.0iH.OA7O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >It sounds to me like you knew the keyboard was not out yet in the > >US, so something must have been up. > > But when I talked to yamaha tech support and specifically said, "Hey, > guys, did you know that there's someone on ebay selling the ES > already?"?? And they basically told me, "Yeah, so...?" In other > words, they gave me no reason to think I might encounter problems if > I bought one. Ok, maybe I'm missing something here between these messages. Let me repeat back what I thought I heard. - First, you ordered the Japanese version of a new Yamaha product from a dealer with a good reputation on ebay. This product isn't available through US dealers yet. - Then you talked to a LOCAL dealer, who claimed you couldn't get warranty support THROUGH THEM on the product. - Then you cancelled your order from the ebay vendor. - Somewhere along the way, you talked with Yamaha tech support directly. Ok, so the LOCAL DEALER says they won't touch your device. Big deal. In my experience, local dealers only broker repairs back to the vendor, and most of them will accept the repairs directly. So you'll get a much faster repair if you send it directly to the mfg's repair center instead of taking it to the local dealer. Case in point. I had an ADA guitar preamp a few years ago. It had a problem. The local ADA dealer was also an ADA "authorized repair center". I took my box to the local dealer. They immediately sent it to their office in a neighboring city ("Where the repair shop is")...3 days delay before the "repair shop" got my box. It sat there for a week. They put it in another box and shipped it to ADA using the slowest ground shipment method they could get. Another week in transit. Finally three weeks after I dropped my box off for a "quick repair", the ADA repair place calls me up asking what's wrong with it! The local boneheads hadn't even passed on the problem description!! ADA had it repaired in 1 day, sent it back to the "local" shop's repair shop (60 miles away from my "local shop") where it sat for another week before they sent it down to the shop in my city. Then it sat there for another week or so before they bothered to call me and tell me it was back. So....what did I get for all this? A $20 surcharge on top of what ADA charged for the repair (yeah, they left the receipt from ADA in the box...), and an entire MONTH of additional waiting time. To complete a repair which took the shop one day to get to and complete. The guy from the ADA shop told me that I'd have been better off sending it to them directly, that they didn't have a backlog. So, when you called Yamaha tech support, you said they didn't seem concerned that it wasn't released in the US. Does that mean they'll honor the warranty and give you support on the product? If so, what's the problem? I had a Yamaha efx unit repaired under warranty recently and this required no interaction with a local dealer. I emailed yamaha tech support, exchanged two messages with them about the nature of the problem, they sent me an RMA number and an address to send it to. A couple of weeks later, they called to discuss the problem. A week after that, my box was back at home, working properly. To me, it sounds like the local dealer is trying to smear the deal with FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) to get you to buy it from them. > I certainly learned a lesson. And I went into it thinking > (mistakenly) that I had all bases covered. I didn't go into it > blindly--just not as informed as I ought to have been. Could that lesson have potentially been "Don't listen to the self-serving local dealer?" Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 12:01:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EFxLQ31958; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:59:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:59:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Ok, so the LOCAL DEALER says they won't touch your device. Big deal. Maybe this will clear things up. The president of Yamaha USA apparently said, while on the phone with my dealer (who isn't exactly local...rather, one of the sales reps from a big US supplier of gear): "God help him if he ever needs service." >In my >experience, local dealers only broker repairs back to the vendor, and most of >them will accept the repairs directly. So you'll get a much faster >repair if you >send it directly to the mfg's repair center instead of taking it to the local >dealer. I was told Yamaha wouldn't even touch the unit. Maybe that wasn't true. I was certainly shocked to hear the news. But that's what made me cancel the order. > >Could that lesson have potentially been "Don't listen to the >self-serving local >dealer?" I'm not sure who to believe. Probably both Yamaha and the dealer wanted to scare the shit out of me by conjuring up a kind of worst-case nightmare scenario--and they succeeded. On the other hand, if they are telling me the truth about support, future repairs, and so on, I'm almost certainly better off waiting now. If I was buying some other piece of gear, I really wouldn't care. But for a synth like this one, I'll *surely* need support. I'll be in way over my head to begin with. I'm just a dumb guitar player. ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 12:16:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EGD6a01278; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:13:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:13:13 -0500 Message-ID: <00e401c3627e$f69cac10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813180437.0411afa8@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4WZnSC.A.1T.SU7O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... >... "hmm, I just can't decide what note to > play next, so > I'll just let this one keep on droning for a few minutes > while I consider > my options." >... sounds like bb king. hardly wishy-washy. if one note says it, why would you add more? i really thought it was funny when he was nervous about sitting in with u2 because he was "not too good with chords" on the other hand, i tend to be on the "too many notes" side of things myself... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 12:37:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EGZJa04442; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:35:39 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I'm not sure who to believe. Probably both Yamaha and the dealer > wanted to scare the shit out of me by conjuring up a kind of > worst-case nightmare scenario--and they succeeded. On the other hand, > if they are telling me the truth about support, future repairs, and so > on, I'm almost certainly better off waiting now. If I was buying some > other piece of gear, I really wouldn't care. But for a synth like this > one, I'll *surely* need support. I'll be in way over my head to begin > with. I'm just a dumb guitar player. ;) If you're talking about technical assistance, you will get much better support from other users on the internet than you ever will from Yamaha. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 12:42:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EGehE05055; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:40:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:40:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:40:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1cAEZC.A.2OB.Lu7O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >If you're talking about technical assistance, you will get much >better support from other users on the internet than you ever will >from Yamaha. Yes, I know...motifator.com is at the top of that list. But when all was said and done, I was scared into backing out. There were other concerns they planted in my head too: What if the OS isn't the most recent one and has bugs in it? What if it's a demo model...those still had bugs to work out also. So on and so forth... So, what I'm hearing is that some of you, if you were in my shoes, may have just said hell with it and stuck it out? Believe me, that free PLG board was tempting! It was the DX-7 FM Synthesis board, which is the one I want. :) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 13:03:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EH1oM07877; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:01:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:01:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814170148.2463.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >Ok, so the LOCAL DEALER says they won't touch your device. Big deal. > > Maybe this will clear things up. The president of Yamaha USA > apparently said, while on the phone with my dealer (who isn't exactly > local...rather, one of the sales reps from a big US supplier of > gear): "God help him if he ever needs service." Here's my perspective. I tend to be suspicious of what someone tells me if they have a (potential) financial position in the transaction. Generally, I put music store sales people somewhere between lawyers and used car salesmen on the honesty and reliability scale. Even the statement above seems suspicious. How often would any given sales rep ever get to talk to the President of Yamaha USA? Would he discuss your purchase of one gray market synth if he did? > I was told Yamaha wouldn't even touch the unit. Maybe that wasn't > true. I was certainly shocked to hear the news. But that's what made > me cancel the order. The question is; Who told you that? A SALES person? Or a support person, who's job would be to support (or not) your unit? > I'm not sure who to believe. I would believe the Yamaha support person who has to provide you support (who you said didn't seem phased by the idea that you were buying an unreleased product). If they will give you support, you have all the support you're likely to need. > On the other hand, > if they are telling me the truth about support, future repairs, and > so on, I'm almost certainly better off waiting now. Yeah, if that was true... > If I was buying > some other piece of gear, I really wouldn't care. But for a synth > like this one, I'll *surely* need support. I'll be in way over my > head to begin with. I'm just a dumb guitar player. ;) Well, I'm just a dumb guitar player too. I've owned one synth in my life, an older model Korg which I bought used from a friend. Perhaps I was lucky, but I never needed any support. Unless there's something broken with it, chances are you won't either. Like others have said, you'll probably get better help in using the machine from people on the net, but if you have hardware problems, that's when you'd need support from Yamaha. Also, I don't buy the thing about the software being more buggy or that either. Do the Japanese tolerate software bugs better then people in the US? I don't think consumers in Japan are stupid, that doesn't make sense to me. Now, what you might run into are language issues. Is the display going to present options to you in English? That could be a concern if you don't speak Japanese. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 13:12:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EHAj409113; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:10:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:10:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 3690a162 aee23e9e e8cc8617 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3A8C73CF-CE7A-11D7-A08A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, here's my question: What do manufacturers have to gain by this policy? My guess is the MOTIF over there is pretty much the same hardware as the one over here, perhaps with a different display and Japanese OS. That in itself might be a big enough pain in the ass to make a company not want to deal with it. Could be that Yamaha Japan and Yamaha US are two totally different companies for legal reasons that are way beyond this boy. Even though the gear could come from the same factory, I bet something screwy goes on like Yamaha Japan has to sell it to Yamaha US. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 08:59 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> Ok, so the LOCAL DEALER says they won't touch your device. Big deal. > > Maybe this will clear things up. The president of Yamaha USA > apparently said, while on the phone with my dealer (who isn't exactly > local...rather, one of the sales reps from a big US supplier of gear): > "God help him if he ever needs service." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 13:13:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EHBZC09237; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:11:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:11:51 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3F3BC2D7.6000109@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In general, you're better off waiting not only until gear is released in the US, but until it has been out for a while, the bugs are fixed or at least known, and prices start to come down. BTW, if you want DX-7 style FM synthesis, pick up a DX200. For under $200, it has the DX-7 engine and is even compatible with the existing DX-7 library. But it also has knobs, an analog style filter, effects, and a sequencer. Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> If you're talking about technical assistance, you will get much >> better support from other users on the internet than you ever will >> from Yamaha. > > > Yes, I know...motifator.com is at the top of that list. But when all > was said and done, I was scared into backing out. There were other > concerns they planted in my head too: What if the OS isn't the most > recent one and has bugs in it? What if it's a demo model...those still > had bugs to work out also. So on and so forth... > > So, what I'm hearing is that some of you, if you were in my shoes, may > have just said hell with it and stuck it out? Believe me, that free > PLG board was tempting! It was the DX-7 FM Synthesis board, which is > the one I want. :) > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 13:16:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EHBsI09306; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:11:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c36287$259f4dd0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030814170148.2463.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about just waiting for the damned thing to be released in the US :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 13:20:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EHJ9j10303; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:19:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c36287$259f4dd0$01b52b04@purgatory> References: <000601c36287$259f4dd0$01b52b04@purgatory> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:19:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: RE: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9bN1qB.A.2gC.NS8O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >How about just waiting for the damned thing to be released in the US :) long story...won't get into that one. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 13:21:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EHItQ10244; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:18:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:18:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:18:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: bfcd916e aee23e9e e8cc8617 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5DC83BBE-CE7B-11D7-A08A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably nothing horribly wrong with it coming from Yamaha, but gear does have bugs and OS upgrades are important. Most you can download, others can be replaced with an eprom. On the other hand, I've learned my lesson being an early adopter of gear or software. Electrix cured me of that. If it's something that's crucial to your sound, wait and do it right. You probably made the right choice in the end. I think I'm more just defending the ebay vendor, which is the topic of this thread. My main point is I think ebay's feedback system is a great tool for consumers. That's all. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 09:40 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > So, what I'm hearing is that some of you, if you were in my shoes, may > have just said hell with it and stuck it out? Believe me, that free > PLG board was tempting! It was the DX-7 FM Synthesis board, which is > the one I want. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 13:23:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EHLX410701; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A8C73CF-CE7A-11D7-A08A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <3A8C73CF-CE7A-11D7-A08A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:21:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >OK, here's my question: What do manufacturers have to gain by this policy? beats me. > My guess is the MOTIF over there is pretty much the same hardware >as the one over here, my thinking exactly > perhaps with a different display and Japanese OS. That in itself >might be a big enough pain in the ass to make a company not want to >deal with it. I thought you could prob. toggle between Japanese/English screen views. Surely they wouldn't manufacturer US ones and Japanese ones separately?? Or would they? Maybe so...it's beyond me. > Could be that Yamaha Japan and Yamaha US are two totally different >companies for legal reasons that are way beyond this boy. same here...no idea. >Even though the gear could come from the same factory, I bet >something screwy goes on like Yamaha Japan has to sell it to Yamaha >US. I was amazed how vigorously Yamaha US was opposed to Yamaha Japan. What if I bought one from a Japanese authorized dealer and had it shipped over? Would they have reacted the same way? Not sure, but I don't want to find out. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 13:29:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EHQ3a11270; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F3BC2D7.6000109@optonline.net> References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> <3F3BC2D7.6000109@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:26:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >BTW, if you want DX-7 style FM synthesis, pick up a DX200. For under >$200, it has the DX-7 engine and is even compatible with the >existing DX-7 library. But it also has knobs, an analog style >filter, effects, and a sequencer. How good is the sequencer? What is its note capacity? Polyphony on this particular unit is...? I can probably look into those things myself. But it's not just DX7 sounds I'm after. I want a workstation and a pretty advanced machine to do sequences with to use as backing tracks (for practice or composition), and so on. The Motif line has fantastic drum sounds, basses, and on and on and on. On the other hand, they probably will be blowing out the regular ("classic") Motif 6s now. Prices have already been cut $300. But I'm of two minds about buying something that is on its way out technologically speaking. On the one hand, you can save some cash. But in the long run, is it worth it? Just like buying computers, it's often a good idea to buy more than you need at the time of purchase, since a year or two down the road it'll be obsolete anyway. That doesn't mean your machine won't still be very good--it will. But it might (?) make sense to spend more for all the extra bells and whistles you may not think you need right away, but perhaps will become part of your repertoire down the road. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:02:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EHxtX15508; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:59:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:59:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "f i l i p n o i s e" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:02:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Reply-to: contact@blue-noise.com Message-ID: <3F3BDCDA.20448.50F688@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Even though the gear could come from the same factory, I bet >something screwy goes on like Yamaha Japan has to sell it to Yamaha >US. This is the exact answer. I used to work in the hi-fi industry for many years in England and I'll try and explain how these electronics companies work - I'm tired and I will ramble but I'll try to be as clear as I can (unlikely). Many of these companies (i.e. Pioneer or Yamaha) are set up into different mini-companies around the globe (Europe, Asia, America) which work pretty much merely as distributors. Each one of these companies have no real tie with each other other than they all supply the same product (roughly) and they all source them from the HQ in Japan although they do have similar operating names (Yamaha UK, Yamaha US etc.). Each national/regional company has an individual budget for servicing, advertising, payroll etc. and therefore do not have a central fund to draw money from for servicing. As far as Yamaha GB (as an example) are concerned a unit that was bought from a retailer in the US was not supplied by them in the first place - it came from Yamaha US and they would argue that as Yamaha US acquired it from Japan and passed it on then they are liable to pay for warranty repairs or replacement out of their budget. This may seem petty, but if the UK distributor had to fix the US's faulty products then the UK guys would have to pay for repairs/replacement out of their fund and the distribution network is not set up so one division can to turn to the US branch and say 'hey we fixed your so-and-so amplifier, we want some money back' - it would just get too complex administration and finance-wise. Each company is told that if they supplied it they are liable to fix it and that if they did not supply it it must go to the division that did. It's similar to how Yamaha is divided into separate companies for musical instruments, home electronics, computer equipment and motor equipment (which are then in turn split up around the globe to cover each particular region). Even though Yamaha Instruments are part of Yamaha they are not liable to pay for a repair to a motorbike out of their budget. So if you buy a Yamaha amplifier from another country and take it to a dealer he won't carry out a repair or replacement for it because he won't get any money from Yamaha US to cover the cost. Yamaha US won't pay for it because they won't get any money back from the parent company or Yamaha Asia. Some companies like Philips, however often provide worldwide guarantees, but this is pretty rare. My description makes sense to me if no one else. Take care everyone, Phil. > > I was told Yamaha wouldn't even touch the unit. Maybe that wasn't > true. I was certainly shocked to hear the news. But that's what made > me cancel the order. > > > > >Could that lesson have potentially been "Don't listen to the > >self-serving local > >dealer?" > > I'm not sure who to believe. Probably both Yamaha and the dealer > wanted to scare the shit out of me by conjuring up a kind of > worst-case nightmare scenario--and they succeeded. On the other hand, > if they are telling me the truth about support, future repairs, and so > on, I'm almost certainly better off waiting now. If I was buying some > other piece of gear, I really wouldn't care. But for a synth like this > one, I'll *surely* need support. I'll be in way over my head to begin > with. I'm just a dumb guitar player. ;) > > Jeff > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - contact@blue-noise.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:06:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EI0jn15631; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:00:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:00:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5DC83BBE-CE7B-11D7-A08A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <5DC83BBE-CE7B-11D7-A08A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:00:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >My main point is I think ebay's feedback system is a great tool for >consumers. That's all. Agreed. To put a positive spin on things, I've picked up great used gear in the last couple weeks from various sources on the net. Harmony-central classifieds are another good place to look. No feedback mechanism there, but I ask a lot of questions first, and if there are ANY signs of flakiness, I bolt. Here's my problem, though. I tend to assume the best about people and their motives. Like none of you here would rip me off, for instance! I know I'm right...right?? :) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:07:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EI6LK16520; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:06:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:06:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:06:41 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3F3BCFB1.80609@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> <3F3BC2D7.6000109@optonline.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The DX200 sequencer is very limited - only 12 or 16 steps. But it's easy to use and convenient to set up e.g. percussion parts. It also has a "free envelope" which lets you record knob movements into the sequencer (up to 8 measures long). 16 voice polyphony. Personally I don't believe in workstations, I would rather optimize each component. If you want a sequencer for composition, software is the way to go. If you want a hardware sequencer for performance, look into the Emu XL-7 or Yamaha RM1x. The motif doesn't look like it has much of an interface for editing or manipulating sequences. If all you want to do is record and play back, it's probably fine. My philosophy on buying computers is the same as for synths - you are much better off with 1-2 yr old technology for half the price, especially if you're not sure that you need any of the "bells and whistles." Once you've used it for a while and know better exactly what you want, by then you can get it for the lower prices (and you won't have to pay for things it turns out you didn't need). Plus you can sell your old gear for close to what you paid. The latest stuff will depreciate much more rapidly. Well, I guess it's a good thing for the vendors that not everyone follows this approach! They rely on people being enticed by the newest. Re-read this quote from your last post: >> it's often a good idea to buy more than you need at the time of purchase, since a year or two down the road it'll be obsolete anyway I urge you to reconsider this logic! One other thing. When it comes to synths (and other technologies too I'm sure), It's often better to start with something simple and put your energy into developing a sense of how you want to use it. Too many features can be a creative distraction (as has been discussed in another thread). As you learn more, you may want to go in a different direction, which will be much easier if you haven't already invested in an all-in-one solution. Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> BTW, if you want DX-7 style FM synthesis, pick up a DX200. For under >> $200, it has the DX-7 engine and is even compatible with the existing >> DX-7 library. But it also has knobs, an analog style filter, effects, >> and a sequencer. > > > How good is the sequencer? What is its note capacity? Polyphony on > this particular unit is...? I can probably look into those things > myself. But it's not just DX7 sounds I'm after. I want a workstation > and a pretty advanced machine to do sequences with to use as backing > tracks (for practice or composition), and so on. The Motif line has > fantastic drum sounds, basses, and on and on and on. > > On the other hand, they probably will be blowing out the regular > ("classic") Motif 6s now. Prices have already been cut $300. But I'm > of two minds about buying something that is on its way out > technologically speaking. On the one hand, you can save some cash. But > in the long run, is it worth it? Just like buying computers, it's > often a good idea to buy more than you need at the time of purchase, > since a year or two down the road it'll be obsolete anyway. That > doesn't mean your machine won't still be very good--it will. But it > might (?) make sense to spend more for all the extra bells and > whistles you may not think you need right away, but perhaps will > become part of your repertoire down the road. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:23:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EIJ3T18331; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:19:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:19:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: gibson echoplex - how -what -why - Remultiply, Loop Windowing, Reverse. Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c36290$89221230$0100a8c0@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <006101c36172$b9293f40$4a318751@vr1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These guys are the UK distributors for the EDP:- Address: Rosetti Limited, 4 Tamdown Way, Springwood Industrial Estate, Braintree, Essex. CM7 2QL Telephone: 01376 550033 Fax: 01376 550042 E-Mail: music@rosetti.co.uk Spares Enquires: spares@rosetti.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: ishq [mailto:ishq@ishq.org] Sent: 13 August 2003 09:13 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gibson echoplex - how -what -why - Remultiply, Loop Windowing, Reverse. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:24:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EINFI18760; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:23:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:23:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: sysmonitor.westhost.net: webmail set sender to kevin@minds-eye.org using -f Message-ID: <1060885389.3f3bd38d7346c@www.webmail.westhost.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:23:09 -0500 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 137.150.28.220 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the warranty issue with Gray Market goods is that you would have to send it to the country of orgin (in this case Japan) if you ever wanted or needed repairs. So what happens if you buy a piece of gear in say the US and move to another country and it malfunctions? Do reps in that country call it gray market and refuse to deal with you again? That wouldn't really make sense would it? Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:36:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EITRF19628; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:29:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:29:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:30:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Selecting vendors X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030814004728.0410bfb8@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030813161854.03a87238@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030814004728.0410bfb8@loopers-delight.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, > such as? I've no idea. I've yet to find any that look appealing. I'm especially interested in finding a european online dealer that sells EDPs at a reasonable price. One with a LD clickthrough would be even better! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:37:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EIXU420159; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:33:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:33:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.18e66904.2c6d2fe5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:33:09 EDT Subject: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how is this powered.....plug in? wall wort? batteries? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:38:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EIWYr19976; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F3BCFB1.80609@optonline.net> References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> <3F3BC2D7.6000109@optonline.net> <3F3BCFB1.80609@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:32:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Personally I don't believe in workstations, I would rather optimize >each component. >If you want a sequencer for composition, software is the way to go. Of course I could integrate software with the hardware of the synth, right? Best of both worlds? By "composition," I really mean something like 'musical scratch pad to flesh out ideas'...then we go from there. > >The motif doesn't look like it has much of an interface for editing >or manipulating sequences. I think (I welcome your or anyone else's input, of course) it has a very deep editor for manipulating sequences. It's just that it's supposed to be a bit difficult to use at first. People say it's quite simple once you get the hang of it--like anything else, of course! > >My philosophy on buying computers is the same as for synths - you >are much better off with 1-2 yr old technology for half the price, Like I said, I'm of two minds on this issue...see below. > Plus you can sell your old gear for close to what you paid. I'd disagree with you here. I've never seen gear hold its value once it's been replaced by the latest and greatest upgraded product. Can you give some examples? The old DX synth you mentioned is going for $200, for instance. I've got a handful of old fx boxes and even a couple guitars that I'd love to sell. And I know I won't get what I paid for them. In some cases, prob. a tiny fraction of what I paid. > >Re-read this quote from your last post: >>> it's often a good idea to buy more than you need at the time of >>>purchase, since a year or two down the road it'll be obsolete >>>anyway > >I urge you to reconsider this logic! Well, I think it's certainly true for computers, unless you're quite sure that what you're getting will absolutely do everything you want. I speak from experience here. I'm typing on an ibook graphite limited edition that I bought maybe 3 years ago or so. It has a 6 GB HD, 128 MB ram, and comes with one usb port. The very next generation of ibooks included firewire--so I'm left out in the cold. 6 GB is piddly compared to the 40, 50, 60, or 80 Gig HDs that are now commonplace. And most apps keep getting bigger and bigger (and most web designers keep adding more and more graphics, flash stuff, etc.), so that 256 MB RAM is now desirable. And I bought top of the line at the time. Everyone who buys a computer faces this dilemma. >One other thing. When it comes to synths (and other technologies too >I'm sure), It's often better to start with something simple and put >your energy into developing a sense of how you want to use it. Now this I definitely agree with, and need to think about it carefully. The truth is, the regular Motif 6 is probably all I need--probably more than I need. My only concern was with its 62 note polyphony. Would that be a problem? The new one will have 128. No one has been able to give me a straight answer about whether or not I'd run into problems with the Motif 6, given what I want to do. I get, as usual, conflicting advice. >Too many features can be a creative distraction (as has been >discussed in another thread). Yes, agreed yet again. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:44:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EIg8Z21271; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:42:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: fe6be549 aee23e9e e8cc8617 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hard to say. I've had mostly really good ebay experience, but I've had a few minor issues. Once got a piece of gear so caked with cigarette resin it took me hours to clean it up and make it usable and not stink. Another time, some sort of pepsi product had been spilled on the unit and one of the controls was never right because of it. Both items were cheap though. My bad for not asking more questions. My wife got a non working dremmel once, but the dealer (on line pawn shop) was happy to take it back and refund her money in full. On the other hand, I ended up picking up an Ampeg tube amp from the owners down in the South Bay SF area and ended up meeting a really nice guy who said, "Hey, do you happen to know anything about looping devices? My roommate and I have been playing around with a DL4..." We talked about EDPs and other gear for an hour! The amp was more or less mint and at a good price. I gave him the LD address. I wonder if he ever subscribed... Mark Sottlaro On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 11:00 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> My main point is I think ebay's feedback system is a great tool for >> consumers. That's all. > > Agreed. > > To put a positive spin on things, I've picked up great used gear in > the last couple weeks from various sources on the net. Harmony-central > classifieds are another good place to look. No feedback mechanism > there, but I ask a lot of questions first, and if there are ANY signs > of flakiness, I bolt. Here's my problem, though. I tend to assume the > best about people and their motives. Like none of you here would rip > me off, for instance! I know I'm right...right?? :) > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:47:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EIhkD21421; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:43:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: alesis ineko Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:43:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36293.FBE6D730" Resent-Message-ID: <-P1rgD.A.kOF.hh9O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36293.FBE6D730 Content-Type: text/plain Power supply, but not a wall wart. . . One of those ones with long cables coming out of each side which I like better since it doesn't take up two spaces on my powerstrips (I just got mine two hours ago. . .man what fun!) DM -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: alesis ineko how is this powered.....plug in? wall wort? batteries? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36293.FBE6D730 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: alesis ineko

Power supply, but not a wall wart. . . One of those = ones with long cables coming out of each side which I like better since = it doesn't take up two spaces on my powerstrips

(I just got mine two hours ago. . .man what = fun!)

DM

-----Original Message-----
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how is this powered.....plug in? wall wort? = batteries?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36293.FBE6D730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:48:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EIkbT22008; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:46:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7014.65.217.77.172.1060886826.squirrel@www.caffeinatedrecordings.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:47:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Syncing_Echotron's?= From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jim_Birch?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: jim@caffeinatedrecordings.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I am new to the group, this is my first post. Like most I found you guys by searching for information. It took me to the archives where I just finished reading many, many posts on Deltalab's Echotron. I'm a guitarist who has recently ventured into the analog synth/looping arena, and I probably have a really dumb question here, but how do I sync up my Echotron??? My set up goes a little something like this: Oberheim DX drum machine => Alesis SR16 => Electrix MOFX => Frostwave Fat Controller which turns it into CV for the various synths. I would like to get the Echotron in this loop also. I also have and Effectron II 1024 which works great and a TimeLine DL-4 that doesn't work so great... I noticed on http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/deltalabs/deltalabs.html That the SYNC jack is "24 ppq clock output, to sync to the echo rate", but I don't quite understand that, or how I could use that... Thanks in advance for your help, Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 14:57:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EItUt23059; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:55:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1060885389.3f3bd38d7346c@www.webmail.westhost.com> References: <1060885389.3f3bd38d7346c@www.webmail.westhost.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:55:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >So what happens if you buy a piece of gear in say the US and move to another >country and it malfunctions? Do reps in that country call it gray market and >refuse to deal with you again? That wouldn't really make sense would it? Good question...good point. You guys and gals is smart. ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 15:14:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EJBxG25049; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:11:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: alesis ineko Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:11:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c36297$e9daf310$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36276.62CB9D00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36276.62CB9D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea, we call that a 'line lump'.LOL Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:44 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: alesis ineko Power supply, but not a wall wart. . . One of those ones with long cables coming out of each side which I like better since it doesn't take up two spaces on my powerstrips (I just got mine two hours ago. . .man what fun!) DM -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: alesis ineko how is this powered.....plug in? wall wort? batteries? ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36276.62CB9D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: alesis ineko

Yea, we call that a ‘line = lump’…LOL

 

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-----Original = Message-----
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Power supply, but not a wall wart. . . One of = those ones with long cables coming out of each side which I like better since = it doesn't take up two spaces on my = powerstrips

(I just got mine two hours ago. . .man what = fun!)

DM

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Subject: alesis = ineko

 

how is this powered.....plug in? wall wort? = batteries?

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36276.62CB9D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 15:18:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EJGo725719; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:16:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:16:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:16:40 +0200 Subject: European vendors From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3143740600_163326_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <19nNaT-0vyIGe0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: V+LddYZQQeL7UnFtUW7Vyw6uTGnAcjbe207uzTEO7FUSagBDM7Eg4g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3143740600_163326_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >Some european vendors would be nice. such as? kim In Germany/Central Europe: Music Store Koeln (http://www.musicstore-koeln.de/), Musik Produktiv (http://www.musik-produktiv.de/home/home01d.asp/sid/!18121995 ) or Thomann (http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/index.html?sn=056b8701b9727348a939ea11e5f87 3e5) are the big three mail order hotshots who'd have the muscle to be able to "advertise". Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3143740600_163326_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable European vendors >Some european vendors would be nice.

such as?

kim



In Germany/Central Europe:
Music Store Koeln (http://www.musicstore-koeln.de/),
Musik Produktiv (http://www.musik-produktiv.de/home/home01d.asp/sid/!181219= 95 )
or
Thomann (http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/index.html?sn=3D056b8701b9727348a939= ea11e5f873e5)
 
are the big three mail order hotshots who'd have the muscle to be able to &= quot;advertise".

Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3143740600_163326_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 15:23:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EJM2X26405; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Ebay nightmare stories Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:21:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- just got the MPX R1 to complement my MPX G2 that I decided to hang on to. when it gets here, not only is it in dog condition, the guy didn't even include the right power adapter--still haven't powered it up, so I sure hope it works. Stay tuned. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 16:04:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EJvj904855; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:57:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:57:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> <3F3BC2D7.6000109@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:54:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:26 PM -0500 8/14/03, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >How good is the sequencer? What is its note capacity? Polyphony on >this particular unit is...? I can probably look into those things >myself. That's right. These questions and more can be found in the manual, freely downloadable from: http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/synth/DX200E.pdf -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 16:33:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EKUuB08702; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:30:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:30:34 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3F3BF16A.8050109@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> <3F3BC2D7.6000109@optonline.net> <3F3BCFB1.80609@optonline.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> The motif doesn't look like it has much of an interface for editing >> or manipulating sequences. > > I think (I welcome your or anyone else's input, of course) it has a > very deep editor for manipulating sequences. It's just that it's > supposed to be a bit difficult to use at first. People say it's quite > simple once you get the hang of it--like anything else, of course! I've tried lots of hw sequencers (not the motif however). When it comes to creative expression, I'll take "easy to use" over "deep" every time. If you want deep, again that's what software is best at. >> Plus you can sell your old gear for close to what you paid. > > I'd disagree with you here. I've never seen gear hold its value once > it's been replaced by the latest and greatest upgraded product. Exactly. The best time to buy the old stuff is when the new model is introduced. > Can you give some examples? The old DX synth you mentioned is going > for $200, for instance. I've got a handful of old fx boxes and even a > couple guitars that I'd love to sell. And I know I won't get what I > paid for them. In some cases, prob. a tiny fraction of what I paid. Probably the reason you will only get a small fraction, is because you bought them when they were the latest and greatest! >> Re-read this quote from your last post: >> >>>> it's often a good idea to buy more than you need at the time of >>>> purchase, since a year or two down the road it'll be obsolete anyway >>> >> I urge you to reconsider this logic! > > > Well, I think it's certainly true for computers, unless you're quite > sure that what you're getting will absolutely do everything you want. > I speak from experience here. I'm typing on an ibook graphite limited > edition that I bought maybe 3 years ago or so. It has a 6 GB HD, 128 > MB ram, and comes with one usb port. The very next generation of > ibooks included firewire--so I'm left out in the cold. 6 GB is piddly > compared to the 40, 50, 60, or 80 Gig HDs that are now commonplace. > And most apps keep getting bigger and bigger (and most web designers > keep adding more and more graphics, flash stuff, etc.), so that 256 MB > RAM is now desirable. And I bought top of the line at the time. > Everyone who buys a computer faces this dilemma. Your example seems to argue my point. Despite paying a premium price, you didn't really buy yourself any protection from obsolescence. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 16:44:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EKh2U09881; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:43:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:43:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814204300.55204.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F3BF16A.8050109@optonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Greg Waltzer wrote: > Probably the reason you will only get a small fraction, is because you > bought them when they were the latest and greatest! > Your example seems to argue my point. Despite paying a premium price, > you didn't really buy yourself any protection from obsolescence. FWIW, I agree with Greg on this one. There is a dramatic difference between a musical instrument and a computer. Yes, they both devalue rapidly, however unless it's not functioning at all, the musical instrument will still be useful in a few years, provided you like the sounds it makes. The computer won't be able to use any current software (and for most people, the ability to run contemporary software is a requirement). My Strat is not obsoleted by the fact that Line 6 came out with the Variax. If you like DX7 sounds, the new synth you're looking at getting wouldn't obsolete your DX7. If you bought a DX7 for $200 5 years ago, chances are it's still worth $200 today (since it was already old 5 years ago). Instrument values don't drop to zero like computers. I've bought and sold a lot of musical gear over the years, and the only things I've ever lost money on were those few items that I bought brand new. If you find a reasonable deal on a used item, you'll most likely be able to resell it for what you paid for it in a couple of years. Like Greg W. said, the exception would be buying something on the bleeding edge of technology. Of course, resale value is only one small consideration in the selection of an instrument, so take all this for what it's worth. If the new one does what you want, and you don't care if you lose money on it over time, then get it. You'll have a warranty if it breaks in the next year or so, and you'll create a job for someone somewhere. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 16:47:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EKig410142; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:44:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F3BF16A.8050109@optonline.net> References: <20030814155140.20614.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <3F3BBA5B.3000104@optonline.net> <3F3BC2D7.6000109@optonline.net> <3F3BCFB1.80609@optonline.net> <3F3BF16A.8050109@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:44:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Probably the reason you will only get a small fraction, is because >you bought them when they were the latest and greatest! I think we're going in circles here. My point: Regardless of what gear you buy and when, its value diminishes rather dramatically and rather quickly (vintage guitars/amps excluded of course). You seemed to suggest otherwise. > >Your example seems to argue my point. Despite paying a premium >price, you didn't really buy yourself any protection from >obsolescence. How in the world is it possible to protect against obsolescence when buying the newest product (whether it's a computer or new gear)? I bought what was the top of the line ibook at the time. It's not possible to buy next year's model today. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 16:51:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EKnGl10615; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:49:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030814204300.55204.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030814204300.55204.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:49:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: obsolesence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >FWIW, I agree with Greg on this one. There is a dramatic difference between a >musical instrument and a computer. Yes, they both devalue rapidly, >however unless >it's not functioning at all, the musical instrument will still be >useful in a few >years, provided you like the sounds it makes. True to a point, yes. But how much would any of you give me for my ART Proverb? Prob. not much...maybe not a penny. Its value (retail, that is, not musical) is near zero. I do see what you mean about buying used (or old model) gear at a low cost right off the bat. Then its resale value may be at or at least near what you originally paid for it--at least in the short(er) term. I'm still not convinced about the long haul, however. Synths may be an exception. But many effects boxes and the like...I think they are replaced very, very quickly, and value on older units decreases rapidly. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 16:57:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EKt7I11496; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c362a6$d435e1a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030814204300.55204.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: obsolesence Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:58:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [68.163.248.13] at Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:55:00 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duuude! I love my ART Pro Reverb!!! It's not in my rig now, but It does things newer tools don't. Which is a way to say, clearly beauty is in the eyes (and in this case, ears) of the beholder. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:49 PM Subject: Re: obsolesence > > > >FWIW, I agree with Greg on this one. There is a dramatic difference between a > >musical instrument and a computer. Yes, they both devalue rapidly, > >however unless > >it's not functioning at all, the musical instrument will still be > >useful in a few > >years, provided you like the sounds it makes. > > True to a point, yes. > > But how much would any of you give me for my ART Proverb? Prob. not > much...maybe not a penny. Its value (retail, that is, not musical) is > near zero. > > I do see what you mean about buying used (or old model) gear at a low > cost right off the bat. Then its resale value may be at or at least > near what you originally paid for it--at least in the short(er) term. > I'm still not convinced about the long haul, however. Synths may be > an exception. But many effects boxes and the like...I think they are > replaced very, very quickly, and value on older units decreases > rapidly. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:00:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EKwov11909; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:58:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814205849.92079.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:58:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > >FWIW, I agree with Greg on this one. There is a dramatic difference between a > >musical instrument and a computer. Yes, they both devalue rapidly, > >however unless > >it's not functioning at all, the musical instrument will still be > >useful in a few > >years, provided you like the sounds it makes. > > True to a point, yes. > > But how much would any of you give me for my ART Proverb? Prob. not > much...maybe not a penny. Its value (retail, that is, not musical) is > near zero. Yes, but that was hardly an excellent piece of kit to start with. I used to have one, about 12-13 years ago. It was noisy and the reverbs sounded flat even by the standards of that day. I think I paid $75 for it back then, it's probably still worth close to that today. Perhaps a better example would be the Yamaha SPX-90 I have. I think I paid maybe $200 for it 15 years ago. Just checked completed auctions on ebay and I see that they're still selling for close to that. > I do see what you mean about buying used (or old model) gear at a low > cost right off the bat. Then its resale value may be at or at least > near what you originally paid for it--at least in the short(er) term. > I'm still not convinced about the long haul, however. Synths may be > an exception. But many effects boxes and the like...I think they are > replaced very, very quickly, and value on older units decreases > rapidly. Unless you're talking about junky or unpopular stuff, the depreciation rate on older effects is much slower then for new ones. And at least the initial purchase price is lower, so you don't lose as much, even if the percentage is the same. At some point you're purchasing it for the utility it provides. So if your ProVerb has given you $75 worth of utility over the last 10 years, it doesn't matter if it's not worth a dime tomorrow. I have a few effects like this. My closet is big enough to keep 'em around for that slim chance I'll use 'em again if nobody wants to give me a decent price for 'em. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:05:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EL41Y12460; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10593794.1060895036533.JavaMail.root@cookiemonster.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:03:56 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ebay (Was Re: Selecting vendors) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think the warranty issue with Gray Market goods is that you would have to >send it to the country of orgin (in this case Japan) if you ever wanted or >needed repairs. >So what happens if you buy a piece of gear in say the US and move to another >country and it malfunctions? Do reps in that country call it gray market and >refuse to deal with you again? That wouldn't really make sense would it? Oh it makes sense, it's just not appealing if you're from the US, used to being at seemingly the center of the universe and faced with a broken piece of gear far from home. Then it's a bit of an issue. When I used to work for Apple Computer, there were several products sold only in various non-US markets (localised OS, double-byte character printers, various monitors). People who called up wanting service or support were firmly referred to the originating market, who had the budget, parts and training for those repairs. It's possible that in this case (the Motif service issue), that it's only budget holding them back, but budget is still a big issue. In the future, maybe all this will be different and more user-friendly, as the world turns into one big market. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:08:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EL71H12824; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:07:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:07:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814210655.6942.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c362a6$d435e1a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Netiquette says not to say "me too", so I'm biting my tongue! I'm rather fond of my Proverb, noisy as it may be... I'll gladly give you 'near zero' (or slightly more, but not much!) for yours, Jeff. -t- ps: I haven't forgotten to send you those cd's David! It's been a whole month already?? Gaahh! pps: You'll be happy to know my description of your use of your Fuzz Factory inspired a good friend o' mine to get one of his very own asap. --- David wrote: > Duuude! I love my ART Pro Reverb!!! It's not in > my rig now, but It does things newer tools don't. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Shirkey" > > But how much would any of you give me for my ART > Proverb? Prob. not > > much...maybe not a penny. Its value (retail, that > is, not musical) is > > near zero. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:08:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EL7sj12947; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:07:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c362a8$9d1172a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030814205849.92079.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: obsolesence -- coming out of the closet... Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:11:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.248.13] at Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:07:47 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg - What's in the closet? ----- Original Message ----- "Greg House" wrote..... > My closet is big enough to keep 'em around for that slim chance I'll use 'em again > if nobody wants to give me a decent price for 'em. > > Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:09:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EL5cs12658; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814210536.58457.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-340790355-1060895136=:57774" Resent-Message-ID: <_kbSMB.A.oFD.hm_O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-340790355-1060895136=:57774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've heard of some older effects boxes (e.g. Univibe) selling for outrageous prices these days. Paolo Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >an exception. But many effects boxes and the like...I think they are replaced very, very quickly, and value on older units decreases rapidly. Jeff --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-340790355-1060895136=:57774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I've heard of some older effects boxes (e.g. Univibe) selling for outrageous prices these days.
 
Paolo

Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>an exception. But many effects boxes and the like...I think they are
replaced very, very quickly, and value on older units decreases
rapidly.

Jeff

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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-340790355-1060895136=:57774-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:14:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELDQR14024; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:13:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814211319.27001.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030814210536.58457.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I've heard of some older effects boxes (e.g. > Univibe) selling for outrageous prices these days. Right. I remember when Ross was looked down upon, and now look what their early '80's stompbox compressors are going for... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:15:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELE2V14148; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:14:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:14:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <18.33fd62c4.2c6d5590@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:13:52 EDT Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com looks like a lot of stuff will be useless if everyone's electricity goes off.....yikes.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:19:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELGwv14662; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:16:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:16:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: obsolesence Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:16:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030814205849.92079.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <13Q5dC.A.-kD.Jx_O_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Perhaps a better example would be the Yamaha SPX-90 I have. I think I paid maybe >$200 for it 15 years ago. Just checked completed auctions on ebay and I see that >they're still selling for close to that. Yup, I'm gonna try the Ineko this weekend at a gig to see if it can replace my 90 II (hey, two seconds of delay and sampling!) In other news, I owned three TB-303s at one point. Got rid of two of them when I began using "real" sequencers and tone modules, but put one in "the pit". Dug it out when I discovered it was valuable and sold it for $500--I sure didn't pay that for it! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:19:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELHZA14788; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:17:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: The lights are off Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <18.33fd62c4.2c6d5590@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aliens!! Maybe . . . G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:19:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELGp014627; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030814210536.58457.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030814210536.58457.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:16:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: obsolesence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've heard of some older effects boxes (e.g. Univibe) selling for >outrageous prices these days. > Yes, true. I should have said "vintage guitars, amps, and effects" excluded. Of course, this also begs the question: What makes ANY of this stuff so desirable that people will pay top dollar to acquire so-called "vintage" items? Only one thing, I suppose: demand. And demand is, in part, a product of our collective notions of what good gear should sound like, act like, look like, be made like, and so on. In short, it's mostly arbitrary which fx, amps, guitars, and so on become the most sought after items. Wacky world. Jeff p.s. I'm not knockin' my Proverb. I still have it, after all. :P But I would take $75 for it, if anyone wants it! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:23:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELNGf15605; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814212315.521.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: obsolesence -- coming out of the closet... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001a01c362a8$9d1172a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That I'd sell? Let's see, just off the top of my head: Alesis Microverb Oberheim Strummer Roland SRV2000 Reverb Boss Limiter (stomp) Boss EQ (stomp) Yamaha QY-10 (sequencer, tone module, etc) Atari ST with SMPTEtrack Gold sequencer (computer based sequencing without the fan noise) Gibson LP Jr (from the 80s, shocking yellow) Probably some other stuff... --- David wrote: > Greg - > > What's in the closet? > > ----- Original Message ----- > "Greg House" wrote..... > > My closet is big enough to keep 'em around for that slim chance I'll use > 'em again > > if nobody wants to give me a decent price for 'em. > > > > Greg > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:27:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELPcH15931; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:25:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:25:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814212537.38523.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030814205849.92079.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-843712777-1060896337=:38334" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-843712777-1060896337=:38334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Excellent point. I will keep this in mind when I shop for gear again. Paolo Greg House wrote: At some point you're purchasing it for the utility it provides. So if your ProVerb has given you $75 worth of utility over the last 10 years, it doesn't matter if it's not worth a dime tomorrow. I have a few effects like this. My closet is big enough to keep 'em around for that slim chance I'll use 'em again if nobody wants to give me a decent price for 'em. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-843712777-1060896337=:38334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Excellent point.  I will keep this in mind when I shop for gear again.
 
Paolo

Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> wrote:
At some point you're purchasing it for the utility it provides. So if your
ProVerb has given you $75 worth of utility over the last 10 years, it doesn't
matter if it's not worth a dime tomorrow. I have a few effects like this. My
closet is big enough to keep 'em around for that slim chance I'll use 'em again
if nobody wants to give me a decent price for 'em.

Greg

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-843712777-1060896337=:38334-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:28:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELQpg16049; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:26:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:26:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <4b.327bbd9e.2c6d5890@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:26:40 EDT Subject: Re: Alesis INEKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4b.327bbd9e.2c6d5890_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10698 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4b.327bbd9e.2c6d5890_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2003 11:17:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Rick Walker writes: > I just threw caution to the wind and added even more to my poor sagging > credit card this week and > purshased an Alesis INEKO: > > What an incredible little box.............this thing has a serious amount of > cool effects in it for something that > fits in the palm of your hand, has stereo outs and costs $80 (with shipping > included). > > Wow.............lo fi...........vocoder...............sample and hold > filtering...............reverbs...............pitch shifting.............. > ring modulation............distortion...........................bass synth > addition........................it just rocks. > > My wife hates digital multi-effects boxes and only plays stomp box pedals in > her electronic live shows > and she told me..............."what a cool little box..............it is > laid out really simply ..................I want one". > > That's when I really new that it rocked...............................more > bang for the buck than anything I've ever seen. > > seriously.........................buy one if you can afford it. > > yours, Rick Walker > Well, such a ringing endoresement (no pun intended) sure got my curiosity up so I checked up on it. Turns out the Ineko doesn't have tap tempo or midi. I guess you can't expect everything for 80 bucks, but those two features are pretty high on my list for an effects unit. SteveK --part1_4b.327bbd9e.2c6d5890_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/13/2003 11:17:25 PM Pacific Dayli= ght Time, Rick Walker writes:


I just threw caution to the win= d and added even more to my poor sagging
credit card this week and
purshased an Alesis INEKO:

What an incredible little box.............this thing has a serious amount of=
cool effects in it for something that
fits in the palm of your hand, has stereo outs and costs $80 (with shipping<= BR> included).

Wow.............lo fi...........vocoder...............sample and hold
filtering...............reverbs...............pitch shifting.............. ring modulation............distortion...........................bass synth addition........................it just rocks.

My wife hates digital multi-effects boxes and only plays stomp box pedals in=
her electronic live shows
and she told me..............."what a cool little box..............it is
laid out really simply ..................I want one".

That's when I really new that it rocked...............................more bang for the buck than anything I've ever seen.

seriously.........................buy one if you can afford it.

yours, Rick Walker


Well, such a ringing endoresement (no pun intended) sure got my curiosity up= so I checked up on it.  Turns out the Ineko doesn't have tap tempo or=20= midi.   I guess you can't expect everything for 80 bucks, but thos= e two features are pretty high on my list for an effects unit.

SteveK   --part1_4b.327bbd9e.2c6d5890_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:48:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELlGJ18253; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:47:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814214715.45842.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17B61E0C-CE66-11D7-8300-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-620102501-1060897635=:43594" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-620102501-1060897635=:43594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This discussion brings to mind my slight option anxiety. I went to the Red Room in Baltimore for the first time a few weeks ago and was invited to participate in their monthly open electronic jam session. I have enough gear to perform, but what to do with it is the problem. One of the performers at the Red Room on my first visit was Hans Tammen. He uses a MIDI guitar to communicate with a Max/MSP patch running on his laptop - pretty much the same thing I was going to do. On top of that, he's so much more skilled at it ;), both with respect to guitar chops and computer/Max/MSP chops. I want to do something interactive, involving my laptop, but I'm not sure the pure interacting "trad" instrument-and-computer thing is the way to go. George Lewis (trombonist/computer musician) is another player I saw do that sort of thing and do it at a very high level. I'm thinking it would be fun to run a sequencer on a Palm OS device (something lending itself to improvisation like SpinPad) and use that to send data to a Max/MSP patch on my laptop and have my guitar control parameters.Hence the option anxiety... ;). Paolo --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-620102501-1060897635=:43594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
This discussion brings to mind my slight option anxiety.  I went to the Red Room in Baltimore for the first time a few weeks ago and was invited to participate in their monthly open electronic jam session.
 
I have enough gear to perform, but what to do with it is the problem.  One of the performers at the Red Room on my first visit was Hans Tammen.  He uses a MIDI guitar to communicate with a Max/MSP patch running on his laptop - pretty much the same thing I was going to do.  On top of that, he's so much more skilled at it ;), both with respect to guitar chops and computer/Max/MSP chops.
 
I want to do something interactive, involving my laptop, but I'm not sure the pure interacting "trad" instrument-and-computer thing is the way to go.  George Lewis (trombonist/computer musician) is another player I saw do that sort of thing and do it at a very high level.  I'm thinking it would be fun to run a sequencer on a Palm OS device (something lending itself to improvisation like SpinPad) and use that to send data to a Max/MSP patch on my laptop and have my guitar control parameters.Hence the option anxiety... ;).
 
Paolo

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-620102501-1060897635=:43594-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:57:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELrNQ19204; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:53:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:53:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Alesis INEKO Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:53:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C362AE.7A2CBE10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C362AE.7A2CBE10 Content-Type: text/plain Then it's not for you steve. It's perfect for a guy like me who couldn't use MIDI to save his life. DM =================================== SteveK : Well, such a ringing endoresement (no pun intended) sure got my curiosity up so I checked up on it. Turns out the Ineko doesn't have tap tempo or midi. I guess you can't expect everything for 80 bucks, but those two features are pretty high on my list for an effects unit. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C362AE.7A2CBE10 Content-Type: text/html Message
 Then it's not for you steve. It's perfect for a guy like me who couldn't use MIDI to save his life.
 
DM
 
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SteveK   :
 Well, such a ringing endoresement (no pun intended) sure got my curiosity up so I checked up on it.  Turns out the Ineko doesn't have tap tempo or midi.   I guess you can't expect everything for 80 bucks, but those two features are pretty high on my list for an effects unit.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C362AE.7A2CBE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 17:58:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ELqbu18919; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:52:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.184d9853.2c6d5e99@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:52:25 EDT Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7ELqaW18894 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, In a message dated 8/14/03 1:59:15 PM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: >At some point you're purchasing it for the utility it provides. So if your >ProVerb has given you $75 worth of utility over the last 10 years, it doesn't >matter if it's not worth a dime tomorrow. I have a few effects like this. >My closet is big enough to keep 'em around for that slim chance I'll use 'em >again if nobody wants to give me a decent price for 'em. I thought I'd "pipe in" on this thread as well. I've been using the same old, and very unfashionable ART SGX 2000 for nearly 10 years now (gosh, has it really been so long). About midway through that decade I was able to upgrade the software via an eprom swap or 2 that made it equal to the SGX 2000 "Express" with 400 preset slots and bunch of other added "whiz" and "bang" that I really don't use that much. Too bad I couldn't swap out the faceplate (I've never liked that pink, gray and black "paint-splat" color scheme). As a "one-box-replaces-all" multi-effects unit it was one of the biggest equipment purchase mistakes I've ever made -- and it cost me over $600 at the time (which seemed like a lot of dough then). Plus, I sold off a bunch of really cool vintage stomp-boxes in order to buy it. Silly me. However, over the years I have really come to love the warmth of the stupid thing as a tube preamp (of all things). I use it for that and a couple of patches that I have worked up on it that have come to represent a goodly portion of my "core sound." I have never created and used more than 3 or 4 custom patches on the silly thing -- so all of that "horsepower" is for naught. But, given that I have had it so long now and gotten so much usefulness out of just those 3 or 4 patches, that still makes it a bargain in the long run (about $60+ a year). As I know that it'll eventually wear out (everything electronic does) and one day that pink 'n' gray paint job will surely make me puke for the very last time, I still can't help but wonder what I'll replace it with. I've tried a number of things over the years and most of them are pretty darn unsatisfactory. So far the CyberTwin or the VG-88 seems about the best things for dialing in a tone that sounds "familiar" enough to my disintegrating earbones (plus adding a lot of other FX whoo ha in the bargain). It just goes to show that you can't tell a book by it's cover and that you never know what delights you may find in stuff that is as obsolete and resolutely unfashionable as some of those old "has-been" FX laying around your garage or closet. Heck! My whole guitar shtick has been built around the obsolete Gibson RD Artist, the out-of-production Sustainiac Model B, the totally un-cool SGX 2000 and the long defunct Lexicon Vortex, plus the same old EDPs I've had since they came out (with occasional upgrades) for more years straight than I care to admit. Do the math. I wouldn't exactly call my music "the cutting edge of fashion" (hardly). But, I am having a whole lotta fun . . . still. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 18:19:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EMIq021336; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:18:44 EDT Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7EMIqW21312 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, In a message dated 8/14/03 2:47:27 PM, paolovalladolid@yahoo.com writes: >He uses a MIDI guitar to communicate with a Max/MSP patch running on his >laptop - pretty much the same thing I was going to do. On top of that, >he's so much more skilled at it ;), both with respect to guitar chops and >computer/Max/MSP chops. Just a thought (and my own uneducated opinion to be sure), but I'd suggest going with your original plan -- unless you really ARE better with a Palm Pilot and MIDI than your guitar. If I ever let myself be intimidated into NOT playing my primary instrument when I new there were better players present (or possibly even sharing the same bill) I'd never, ever play in public at all. Honest!!! In my mind, almost anybody is better than me. But, I always go ahead and figure it as a growing and learning experience . . . and a challenge to "bone up if nothing else . . . as well as an opportunity to conquer those fits of "nerves" that arise in such situations by sheer force of willpower and determination -- if nothing else. Do what you want -- plan A or plan B. But don't NOT do whatever the other alternative is simply for fear of being out-classed or out-gunned. The best learning opportunities in life are in meeting "challenge" experiences head-on and overcoming them. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 18:39:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EMbXr24650; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:37:27 -0700 Subject: Re: obsolesence Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 6da53d8e aee23e9e e8cc8617 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1ad.184d9853.2c6d5e99@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had one of those... I do remember doing some pretty wild things with it. I had a patch where you could control the pitch shift interval with one pedal and the delay of the pitch shift with the other. Feedback all the way up. Crazy sound. I could get some fairly decent pre-amp tones too from what I can remember. First rack piece of gear I ever owned. When it died I replaced it with a Digitech 2112 and I seemed to think my overall tone got better, but it's hard to say. I thought moving to the Lexicon would be another step up, but to be honest, it's pre-amp sounds were way weak IMO. I thought having to loose it would hurt as I liked the shimmer and gloss of those Lexicon reverbs and choruses, but going back to the 2120 (upgraded) has been great. Other than the pain in the ass of having to tap out delay times I don't miss the G2 at all. I think what happens to me is I start thinking I want to hear a certain tone, and I forget I have it and what I really need to be doing is playing and not programming new presets on some new box. About the SGX2000, I took a black Marks-a-lot and totally went over the front panel of it and it seemed to sound a lot better after that mod. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 02:52 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > I thought I'd "pipe in" on this thread as well. I've been using the > same old, > and very unfashionable ART SGX 2000 for nearly 10 years now (gosh, > has it really been so long). About midway through that decade I was > able > to upgrade the software via an eprom swap or 2 that made it equal to > the SGX 2000 "Express" with 400 preset slots and bunch of other added > "whiz" and "bang" that I really don't use that much. Too bad I > couldn't swap > out the faceplate (I've never liked that pink, gray and black > "paint-splat" > color scheme). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 18:44:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EMgl825745; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:42:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:42:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c362b5$deaba7a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: obsolesence Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:46:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [68.163.226.181] at Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:42:41 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "msottilaro" wrote..... > About the SGX2000, I took a black Marks-a-lot and totally went over the > front panel of it and it seemed to sound a lot better after that mod. (drum roll please.....) Doesn't that lower the "face-value" of the unit? 8^) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 18:50:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EMmim26567; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:48:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:48:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030814224842.43246.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c362b5$deaba7a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1clut.A.6eG.LHBP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David wrote: > "msottilaro" wrote..... > > > About the SGX2000, I took a black Marks-a-lot and totally went over the > > front panel of it and it seemed to sound a lot better after that mod. > > (drum roll please.....) Doesn't that lower the "face-value" of the unit? > 8^) In this case, it probably increased the value of the thing. That wreched pink splatter design was about the ugliest thing I've ever seen. I had the original ART SGX (just the fx, no preamp, same stupid look). Like Ted, I tried to replace a batch of cool pedals with it and wasn't ever totally happy with it. It was a constant tweekfest with that thing, what I thought sounded good one rehearsal would stink the next one. Fortunately, I sold it before it lost TOO much value, otherwise I'd feel bad about the purchase price. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 18:57:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7EMtv927648; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:55:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:55:49 EDT Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7EMtvW27627 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sir Marks-a-lott Sottilaro wrote: >About the SGX2000, I took a black Marks-a-lot and totally went over the >front panel of it and it seemed to sound a lot better after that mod. Hehehehehe. That's great! I did spray paint the X-15 Ultrafoot to a total flat black (except for the button/function labels and numbers). I don't use THAT at all anymore though. Thanks for the pointer. Was that a bullet tip sharpie or a chisel-tip (LOL)? Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 19:30:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ENT6J31143; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: OT: obsolesence smobulesence Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:27:13 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c362bb$98eed060$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:28:59 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey wow! The SGX2000(+ Express chip and dayglo pink splat) was MY very first piece of (guitar) rack gear too!!! (Although technically, I owned a TG77 and a G-10 prior to the SGX, but whatevah). I actually first started 'looping' on it using the delay lines (goddamn ambient guitar music, actually ;-). I ALSO had about 3 or 4 patches that I really used and liked alot, and have tried to work up on other gear. And .. KNOBS! It had KNOBS! I was so happy to have knobs again, after playing with a Yamaha SY99 & TG77 until me punch button finger didn't want to do it anymore. Neato. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: obsolesence > > > I had one of those... I do remember doing some pretty wild > things with > it. I had a patch where you could control the pitch shift interval > with one pedal and the delay of the pitch shift with the other. > Feedback all the way up. Crazy sound. I could get some > fairly decent > pre-amp tones too from what I can remember. First rack piece > of gear I > ever owned. When it died I replaced it with a Digitech 2112 and I > seemed to think my overall tone got better, but it's hard to say. I > thought moving to the Lexicon would be another step up, but to be > honest, it's pre-amp sounds were way weak IMO. I thought having to > loose it would hurt as I liked the shimmer and gloss of those Lexicon > reverbs and choruses, but going back to the 2120 (upgraded) has been > great. Other than the pain in the ass of having to tap out > delay times > I don't miss the G2 at all. > > I think what happens to me is I start thinking I want to hear > a certain > tone, and I forget I have it and what I really need to be doing is > playing and not programming new presets on some new box. > > About the SGX2000, I took a black Marks-a-lot and totally > went over the > front panel of it and it seemed to sound a lot better after that mod. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 02:52 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I thought I'd "pipe in" on this thread as well. I've been using the > > same old, > > and very unfashionable ART SGX 2000 for nearly 10 years now (gosh, > > has it really been so long). About midway through that decade I was > > able > > to upgrade the software via an eprom swap or 2 that made it equal to > > the SGX 2000 "Express" with 400 preset slots and bunch of > other added > > "whiz" and "bang" that I really don't use that much. Too bad I > > couldn't swap > > out the faceplate (I've never liked that pink, gray and black > > "paint-splat" > > color scheme). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 20:12:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F0Avk03165; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:10:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:10:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1cd.f34f0f2.2c6d7f07@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:10:47 EDT Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1cd.f34f0f2.2c6d7f07_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1cd.f34f0f2.2c6d7f07_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/03 2:02:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > >Or another great word - "swishy"! > > > >kim > Unless loop music developes a "glam rock" division... (puts on lipstick) --part1_1cd.f34f0f2.2c6d7f07_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/14/03 2:02:54 AM Pacific Daylight= Time, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes:

>Or another great word - "sw= ishy"!
>
>kim


Unless loop music developes a "glam rock" division...  (puts on lipstic= k) --part1_1cd.f34f0f2.2c6d7f07_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 20:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F0ImJ04033; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:18:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:18:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:18:41 -0700 Subject: Re: obsolesence -- coming out of the closet... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 01e41576 aee23e9e e8cc8617 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001a01c362a8$9d1172a0$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <065BBF1A-CEB6-11D7-A08A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've replaced my closet with Ebay. Unlimited space. Quite amazing. Everything still seems to be there right were I left it for the same amount I sold it for... sometimes less. I made $230 on my MPX G2/R1, but lost $50 on the Piranha Preamp. I guess I'm still up $150 after ebay and paypal took their fees. I bet if there's anything I really miss I can go into the ebay closet and there it will be. Lack of closet space in my apartment is what sparked me to go for this virtual closet space and I couldn't be happier about it. Why store something you don't use? Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 02:11 PM, David wrote: > Greg - > > What's in the closet? > > ----- Original Message ----- > "Greg House" wrote..... >> My closet is big enough to keep 'em around for that slim chance I'll >> use > 'em again >> if nobody wants to give me a decent price for 'em. >> >> Greg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 20:46:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F0jqb06501; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:45:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:45:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <190.1e7858df.2c6d8739@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:45:45 EDT Subject: Unkl Tim's Home For Unloved, Worthless Effects To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_190.1e7858df.2c6d8739_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_190.1e7858df.2c6d8739_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/03 2:07:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > Netiquette says not to say "me too", so I'm biting my > tongue! I'm rather fond of my Proverb, noisy as it may > be... I'll gladly give you 'near zero' (or slightly > more, but not much!) for yours, Jeff. > > Just send 'em all to me, folks! I'm a "glass-half-full" kinda guy. Unkl Tim --part1_190.1e7858df.2c6d8739_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/14/03 2:07:25 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:

Netiquette says not to say "me=20= too", so I'm biting my
tongue! I'm rather fond of my Proverb, noisy as it may
be... I'll gladly give you 'near zero' (or slightly
more, but not much!) for yours, Jeff.



Just send 'em all to me, folks! I'm a "glass-half-full" kinda guy.

Unkl Tim --part1_190.1e7858df.2c6d8739_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 20:48:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F0m6X06820; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:48:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:48:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.32e3ddde.2c6d87ba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:47:54 EDT Subject: Re: obsolesence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4f.32e3ddde.2c6d87ba_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: <3QuZ4B.A.XqB.G3CP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4f.32e3ddde.2c6d87ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/03 2:14:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > looks like a lot of stuff will be useless if everyone's electricity goes > off.....yikes.....michael > One should alway s keep an extra supply of hamsters in exercise wheels, and don't forget lots of vitamin go-fast! --part1_4f.32e3ddde.2c6d87ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/14/03 2:14:10 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

looks like a lot of stuff will=20= be useless if everyone's electricity goes
off.....yikes.....michael


One should alway s keep an extra supply of hamsters in exercise wheels, and=20= don't forget lots of vitamin go-fast! --part1_4f.32e3ddde.2c6d87ba_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 21:55:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F1sCB12441; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c362d0$4c4de9c0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: The lights are off Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:55:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_N1mtC.A.SCD.E1DP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" > Aliens!! > Maybe . . . I just heard on the radio that it's being blamed on Canadians. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 22:30:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F2Tca16352; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027401c362d4$e61795c0$9d61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308132350.h7DNovF01593@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: missing daily digest? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:28:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I was curious about exactly what I had said in the last post I sent in (an endorsement of the Alesis Ineko that I just bought), so I went through the last several daily digests and I can't find it anywhere. Yet, someone quoted from it in a post today. Am I missing something or did a daily digest not wind it's way towards me. Did anyone else read that post in the daily digest? yours Rick I'll quote from the quote: "I just threw caution to the wind and added even more to my poor sagging credit card this week and purshased an Alesis INEKO: What an incredible little box.............this thing has a serious amount of cool effects in it for something that fits in the palm of your hand, has stereo outs and costs $80 (with shipping included). Wow.............lo fi...........vocoder...............sample and hold filtering...............reverbs...............pitch shifting.............. ring modulation............distortion...........................bass synth addition........................it just rocks. My wife hates digital multi-effects boxes and only plays stomp box pedals in her electronic live shows and she told me..............."what a cool little box..............it is laid out really simply ..................I want one". That's when I really new that it rocked...............................more bang for the buck than anything I've ever seen. seriously.........................buy one if you can afford it. yours, Rick Walker" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 23:07:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F36E619759; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:06:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:14:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: re: Repeater pitch shift Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tim, The RPTR's pitch shift capability can be controlled via midi note command. I use a roland midi guitar or a behringer foot controller to shift the pitch of the loops I create on my repeater, but any midi keyboard, wind controller, etc will do the trick. What's cool about triggering the RPTR pitch shift from my midi guitar is I can create a loop, for example, a single pitch drone, and then play it melodically from the midi guitar, or use the guitar synth's arpeggiator to drive the repeater and create highly rhythmic pitch transpositions. I tend to use the behringer foot pedal for more conventional things, like dropping the pitch of a loop an octave to create a faux bass part, but it also is cool to use the behringer's expression pedals to create wild whammy style pitch bending, not to mention time stretching effects. Both these techniques are much easier to demonstrate (with visual aids) than to describe in words. Believe me, I've sat down to write a blow by blow description on two separate occasions, and given up in frustration, partly because it involves programming aspects of not just the repeater, but my behringer pedal, guitar synth, and an all important midi patch bay. I have spent countless hours programming my gear and I shudder to think how long it might take to write a thorough, easy to comprehend description of what I'm doing. I just don't trust my ability to write a technical manual that makes sense, and I don't have a lot of free time in which to do it. I must say, I have way more respect and compassion for the people who wrote the highly cryptic behringer foot controller manual. When I first read that manual, I couldn't understand what they were talking about! Since my rig is somewhat complex, and I'm not sure what you are working with, our what your level of midi understanding is, I honestly wouldn't know where to start. I wish I had the time and money to do a video clinic about the repeater, but I don't. I did do a short clinic at the last Loopfest in Santa Cruz that I believe was video taped, and I know at least one person was filming my clinic at Loopstock II, perhaps someone might come forward (Hans, are you in the house?) and for a few sheckles to cover expenses, dub you a copy and send it to you. I'll check with Rick, as well, to see who filmed the Santa Cruz show. I think I had more time, and went in to more detail at the more recent San Luis Opisbo (Loopstock II) show. Let me do some investigation and see where those tapes are. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 14 23:42:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F3fgn22687; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:41:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:41:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815034140.91528.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the encouragement! When I was invited to come to the monthly electronic music jam session, I said that I was just getting my gear together (Max/MSP on my iBook, GI-20 MIDI interface, GK2 on my guitar). The person who invited me basically replied "Come anyway, you have to get wet sooner or later". Gives me incentive to whip up something simple in Max/MSP and practice (both guitar and programming). Paolo --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Do what you want -- plan A or plan B. But don't NOT > do whatever the other > alternative is simply for fear of being out-classed > or out-gunned. The best > learning opportunities in life are in meeting > "challenge" experiences head-on > and overcoming them. > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 00:10:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F48ai24943; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:08:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:08:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:08:26 EDT Subject: Re:Alesis INEKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ae.45d4387b.2c6db6ba_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10698 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ae.45d4387b.2c6db6ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2003 6:58:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Then it's not for you steve. It's perfect for a guy like me who couldn't > use MIDI to save his life. > Hey Don, I couldn't use midi to save my life either. . . . . but I could use it to change patches on an effects unit via a midi pedal :) Do you just reach over and dial up a new effect patch by hand? What about when lighting isn't that great, as is usually the case on stage? It sure does look like a cool unit though(and comes highly regarded). I just wish it had a couple of more features. (what else is new). SteveK --part1_ae.45d4387b.2c6db6ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/14/2003 6:58:00 PM Pacific Daylig= ht Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:


Then it's not for you steve. It= 's perfect for a guy like me who couldn't
use MIDI to save his life.


Hey Don,
I couldn't use midi to save my life either. . . . .  but I could use it= to change patches on an effects unit via a midi pedal  :)

  Do you just reach over and dial up  a new effect patch by hand?&= nbsp; What about when lighting isn't that great, as is usually the case on s= tage?

It sure does look like a cool unit though(and comes highly regarded). =20= I just wish it had a couple of more features. (what else is new).  = ; 

SteveK

 --part1_ae.45d4387b.2c6db6ba_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 00:35:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F4YXV26951; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:34:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:34:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c362e6$5a5313e0$4764f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308150155.h7F1toT12674@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: INTERNET and LOOPING Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:33:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just read an amazing statistic that made me appreciate our chances of making a mark in the world with this community of ours. In the year 2000 there were 30 million computers connected to the World Wide Web In the year 2005 it is estimated that there will be an estimated population of 1 billion people on line. It's a wave everyone and even though some of us have been surfing it since 1991 when the WWW was first started (although not me, as I'm a relative four year old newbie) it's a wave that hasn't even begun to crest. I don't know why, but this made giddily happy tonight. It's time to reach out to the world! It's time to start inviting some of the wonderful people that we communicate with everyday on line here to come from far away and perform in our respective communities. In the beginning, these performances will not pay for themselves.............We'll need to be wonderfully generous hosts and put people up and get gigs and publicity for them and buy them a beer for there efforts and not be paid for ours...............................yet! It doesn't matter...............what matters is the connection...................what matters is the community that we are building. What matters is the music, first and foremost. Bless this style-less, instrument non-specific, genre-less, creative and generous community. Let's surf the international loop. I'm off to buy a digital wetsuit. Surf's up! R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 00:46:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F4k7X27969; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:46:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:46:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SteveK wondered: >Do you just reach over and dial up a new effect patch by hand? What about when lighting isn't that great, as is usually the case on stage? >It sure does look like a cool unit though(and comes highly regarded). I just wish it had a couple of more features. (what else is new). Having tried it out for a few hours, I really don't think it is a unit to fool with on stage, unless your audience loves you in a way I have never experienced. Maybe Rick Walker can get away with it, but I can't. When you change patches, you have to set the parameters--NO MEMORY FOR PRESETS. I am going to use it as a set-and-forget device, no matter what context. MIDI rocks and rules--I can't believe there are electronic musicians who aren't interested in using it. Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to say--chicken? Let the flaming begin. Anxious (or at least eager), Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 01:01:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F50Jd28887; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:00:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:00:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030814230736.01a182f0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:07:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste In-Reply-To: <20030813190149.99092.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001701c36180$a43ec0b0$bc1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, I've also used the Repeater in this way, and have an example posted in the files section of this list. It's called Live Spark Reprize. When midi note numbers are sent to the repeater, selected tracks can be pitched accordingly. Smiles, Cara At 12:01 PM 8/13/03 -0700, you wrote: >(ooops, sorry, Per; this went to you instead of the >list the first time!) > >--- Per Boysen wrote: >> Well, this was posted in a thread about "instantly >> accessible pitched >> down/bass sound". I was particularly aiming at the >> Repeater... > >Someone gave a short description of Bill Walker doing >pitch shifting his loops by sending commands to his >Repeater: can anyone (especially Bill!) go into more >detail on this? > >-t- > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 01:23:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F5Kgj30541; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:20:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:20:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3C7098.E2669237@erols.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:33:12 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: INTERNET and LOOPING References: <200308150155.h7F1toT12674@hemlock.violacea.com> <004901c362e6$5a5313e0$4764f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > I just read an amazing statistic that made me appreciate our chances of > making a mark in the world > with this community of ours. > > In the year 2000 there were 30 million computers connected to the World Wide > Web > > In the year 2005 it is estimated that there will be an estimated population > of 1 billion people on line. > > It's a wave everyone and even though some of us have been surfing it since > 1991 when the WWW was first started (although not > me, as I'm a relative four year old newbie) it's a wave that hasn't even > begun to crest. > > I don't know why, but this made giddily happy tonight. > > It's time to reach out to the world! It's time to start inviting some > of the wonderful people that we communicate with > everyday on line here to come from far away and perform in our respective > communities. > > In the beginning, these performances will not pay for > themselves.............We'll need to be wonderfully generous hosts and put > people up and get gigs and publicity for them and buy them a beer for there > efforts and not be paid for ours...............................yet! > It doesn't matter...............what matters is the > connection...................what matters is the community that we are > building. What matters is the music, first and foremost. > > Bless this style-less, instrument non-specific, genre-less, creative and > generous community. > > Let's surf the international loop. > > I'm off to buy a digital wetsuit. > > Surf's up! > > R. Rick, I'll glady be the New Jersey representative. Good to have you back Rick. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 01:25:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F5P4130931; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:25:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:25:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030814222250.03f29710@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:26:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste In-Reply-To: <1cd.f34f0f2.2c6d7f07@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:10 PM 8/14/2003, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >> >Or another great word - "swishy"! >> > >> >kim > > >Unless loop music developes a "glam rock" division... (puts on lipstick) well, there is Steve Lawson. Although he's just British. But his nails usually match his jacket. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 01:30:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F5TW631611; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:29:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:29:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:29:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030814222250.03f29710@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <78DD5C54-CEE1-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I have silver vinyl pants and blue hair, that's got to count for something. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 10:26 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 05:10 PM 8/14/2003, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: >>> >Or another great word - "swishy"! >>> > >>> >kim >> >> >> Unless loop music developes a "glam rock" division... (puts on >> lipstick) > > well, there is Steve Lawson. Although he's just British. But his nails > usually match his jacket. > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 01:43:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F5h4D00301; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:43:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:43:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030814235031.008157f0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:50:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7F5h3W32748 Resent-Message-ID: <5cCRk.A.7_H.oLHP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, -just want to thank you so much for saying this. -It seems that so often, art and music becomes some sort of competition, when by it's nature, it's a personal expression, which, is as unique as we are. -Everybody's got a story to tell, and it's not a matter of one telling a "better" story than another, but a different story. -a personal and unique story. Obviously, one might feel better with a higher level of confidence in one's idea of one's abilities, technique and/or experience and such, but it's important not to let that presumed fear stop you from doing what you enjoy and need to. -just my thoughts, of course... Thanks again, have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, Cara At 06:18 PM 8/14/03 EDT, you wrote: >Hi there, > >In a message dated 8/14/03 2:47:27 PM, paolovalladolid@yahoo.com writes: > >>He uses a MIDI guitar to communicate with a Max/MSP patch running on his >>laptop - pretty much the same thing I was going to do. On top of that, >>he's so much more skilled at it ;), both with respect to guitar chops and >>computer/Max/MSP chops. > >Just a thought (and my own uneducated opinion to be sure), but I'd suggest >going with your original plan -- unless you really ARE better with a Palm >Pilot >and MIDI than your guitar. If I ever let myself be intimidated into NOT >playing >my primary instrument when I new there were better players present (or >possibly even sharing the same bill) I'd never, ever play in public at all. >Honest!!! > >In my mind, almost anybody is better than me. But, I always go ahead and >figure >it as a growing and learning experience . . . and a challenge to "bone up if >nothing >else . . . as well as an opportunity to conquer those fits of "nerves" that >arise >in such situations by sheer force of willpower and determination -- if >nothing else. > >Do what you want -- plan A or plan B. But don't NOT do whatever the other >alternative is simply for fear of being out-classed or out-gunned. The best >learning opportunities in life are in meeting "challenge" experiences head-on >and overcoming them. > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > >http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 01:55:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F5sQn01341; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:54:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:54:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030815000154.0080e100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:01:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: missing daily digest? In-Reply-To: <027401c362d4$e61795c0$9d61f93f@global> References: <200308132350.h7DNovF01593@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My God!, Rick!, I'm not surprized you couldn't remember what you said, and that the digest got edited from the list! -with the things you said about various list members! -and THE LANGUAGE -THE LANGUAGE OF IT! -my virgin ears! Kim just couldn't bring himself to let it stay in the archive! -and all this time, I thought you were such a nice looper... SHAME... -SHAME... *sob* *sigh* LOL!!! Cara At 07:28 PM 8/14/03 -0700, you wrote: >Hi gang, > >I was curious about exactly what I had said in the last post I sent in (an >endorsement of the Alesis Ineko that I just bought), so I went through the >last several daily digests and I can't find it anywhere. > >Yet, someone quoted from it in a post today. Am I missing something or >did >a daily digest not wind it's way towards me. > >Did anyone else read that post in the daily digest? > >yours Rick > >I'll quote from the quote: > > > >"I just threw caution to the wind and added even more to my poor sagging >credit card this week and >purshased an Alesis INEKO: > >What an incredible little box.............this thing has a serious amount of >cool effects in it for something that >fits in the palm of your hand, has stereo outs and costs $80 (with shipping >included). > >Wow.............lo fi...........vocoder...............sample and hold >filtering...............reverbs...............pitch shifting.............. >ring modulation............distortion...........................bass synth >addition........................it just rocks. > >My wife hates digital multi-effects boxes and only plays stomp box pedals in >her electronic live shows >and she told me..............."what a cool little box..............it is >laid out really simply ..................I want one". > >That's when I really new that it rocked...............................more >bang for the buck than anything I've ever seen. > >seriously.........................buy one if you can afford it. > >yours, Rick Walker" > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 01:55:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F5sR301368; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:54:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:54:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: The lights are off Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c362f1$94f991d0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amusing but I will bet not as amusing as the forthcoming explanations for this debaucle. -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The lights are off Aliens!! Maybe . . . G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 03:51:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F7mcN08946; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:48:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:48:35 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001e01c36301$a20612d0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030814214715.45842.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] I have enough gear to perform, but what to do with it is the problem. One of the performers at the Red Room on my first visit was Hans Tammen. He uses a MIDI guitar to communicate with a Max/MSP patch running on his laptop - pretty much the same thing I was going to do. On top of that, he's so much more skilled at it ;), both with respect to guitar chops and computer/Max/MSP chops. -------------------- To be "skilled" in using a certain performer set-up does not have to mean the same thing as "creating something interesting". Quite often the audience experience performances different than the performer things ;-). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 03:57:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F7uAn09494; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:56:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:56:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:56:08 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <002001c36302$aff30690$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:49 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, > Slow and Chaste) > > > From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] > > I have enough gear to perform, but what to do with it is the > problem. One of the performers at the Red Room on my first > visit was Hans Tammen. He uses a MIDI guitar to communicate > with a Max/MSP patch running on his laptop - pretty much the > same thing I was going to do. On top of that, he's so much > more skilled at it ;), both with respect to guitar chops and > computer/Max/MSP chops. > -------------------- > > To be "skilled" in using a certain performer set-up does not > have to mean the same thing as "creating something > interesting". Quite often the audience experience > performances different than the performer things ;-). Oops! The msg went away when I typed "Ctrl V" before I got the time to sign it. I was just going to say that the listeners might not be sitting there "comparing chops". Chances are they are more interested in what they are hearing and watching. All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 04:16:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F8Ema11071; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Fast & Trashy, Slow, Chaste and "swishy"! Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:14:45 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <002101c36305$49ad5b30$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1cd.f34f0f2.2c6d7f07@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Or another great word - "swishy"! > >kim ...hmm, the thought just hit me that I have grown into a "Swishy Looper" without being aware of it. I'm just editing a live recording from the first gig where I was using my new Akai MAC 42 filter bank. When sitting here listening there are just an incredible amount of swishes covering the loops ;-) Well, such things happen when the PA is way better than the stage monitoring. For the next gig, at another festival, I was playing with a non-looping drummer. He used my headphones from my rack and played very well - while I could almost not hear what I was playing at all! Had to stick mainly with a blues harp and shouting (no good singer ;-) to hear what I was doing. The monitors were just distorting. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 05:03:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F92bK13631; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:02:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:02:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c3630b$f922bfa0$fda8a8c0@itopc> From: "ito" To: Subject: Brother Sync of Loop Delay and Echoplex Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:02:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3631C.B36FF980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <0zO47D.A.0UD.tGKP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3631C.B36FF980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I still own the Paradis "Loop Delay" and intend to buy the "Echoplex = Plus (LoopIV Version)" to establish a stereo set-up. Has anybody made = experiences of combining both machines through "Brother Sync"? Will this = work in any way? I don=B4t need 100% accurancy for stereo, as I=B4m not = doing rhythmical stuff with the machines. As I don=B4t want to use 2 Footboards I intend to use a Rocktron = "Access" board and want to operate both machines by the Midi-Note-On = impulse switching facilities of the "Access", thus I will be able to = switch the rest of my gear as well. Any experiences made by anyone about = that, too? Kind regards ito ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3631C.B36FF980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I still own the Paradis "Loop Delay" and intend = to buy the=20 "Echoplex Plus (LoopIV Version)" to establish a stereo set-up. Has = anybody made=20 experiences of combining both machines through "Brother Sync"? Will this = work in=20 any way? I don=B4t need 100% accurancy for stereo, as I=B4m not doing = rhythmical=20 stuff with the machines.
 
As I don=B4t want to use 2 Footboards I = intend to use=20 a Rocktron "Access" board and want to operate both machines by = the=20 Midi-Note-On impulse switching facilities of the "Access", thus I will=20 be able to switch the rest of my gear as well. Any experiences made = by=20 anyone about that, too?
 
Kind regards
ito
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3631C.B36FF980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 05:31:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7F9T8615167; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:29:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:29:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c3630f$ab1d76c0$0207a8c0@eskimo> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030814222250.03f29710@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:28:57 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 06:26:AM Subject: Re: Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste > At 05:10 PM 8/14/2003, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > >> >Or another great word - "swishy"! > >> > > >> >kim > > > > > >Unless loop music developes a "glam rock" division... (puts on lipstick) > > well, there is Steve Lawson. Although he's just British. But his nails > usually match his jacket. I stopped wearing makeup back in the early 80s. Far be it from me to refuse a chance to paint up once in a great while, though... :) Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 06:02:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FA1dA17062; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:01:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:01:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:01:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36314.367419A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36314.367419A0 Content-Type: text/plain Just not sure how would it benefit me? I throw down some loops with my guitar (I don't own any instruments with piano keys, save for an upright piano in our living room), bass, and mouth percussion into my Boomerang, then sing or play the leads - or my sister plays leads on her electric violin. Other times it is just me and my guitar. When we go ambient freeballin', we do the typical build up a vibe and then do trippy leads and improvised stuff. No drum machines, keyboards, samplers, or anything. Acutally I'm not chicken. It is only my personal experience in that I've never been want for MIDI (maybe I don't know what I'm missing), and the only guys that I've worked with that were ever into MIDI just had tons of gear, made lousy music, (except for you Per Boysen. . . . .), and were more into their gear than into making actual music. Naturally that doesn't mean everyone is like that. . . .it is just something I have never been exposed to in a meaningful way, so therefore have seen no use for it in my personal rig, that's all. Haha. I don't hate it and I'm not anit-MIDI or anything. DM -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown Having tried it out for a few hours, I really don't think it is a unit to fool with on stage, unless your audience loves you in a way I have never experienced. Maybe Rick Walker can get away with it, but I can't. When you change patches, you have to set the parameters--NO MEMORY FOR PRESETS. I am going to use it as a set-and-forget device, no matter what context. MIDI rocks and rules--I can't believe there are electronic musicians who aren't interested in using it. Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to say--chicken? Let the flaming begin. Anxious (or at least eager), Gary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36314.367419A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown

Just not sure how would it benefit me? I throw down = some loops with my guitar (I don't own any instruments with piano keys, = save for an upright piano in our living room), bass, and mouth = percussion into my Boomerang, then sing or play the leads - or my = sister plays leads on her electric violin. Other times it is just me = and my guitar. When we go ambient freeballin', we do the typical build = up a vibe and then do trippy leads and improvised stuff. No drum = machines, keyboards, samplers, or anything.

Acutally I'm not chicken. It is only my personal = experience in that I've never been want for MIDI (maybe I don't know = what I'm missing), and the only guys that I've worked with that were = ever into MIDI just had tons of gear, made lousy music, (except for you = Per Boysen. . . . .), and were more into their gear than into making = actual music.

Naturally that doesn't mean everyone is like that. . = . .it is just something I have never been exposed to in a meaningful = way, so therefore have seen no use for it in my personal rig, that's = all. Haha. I don't hate it and I'm not anit-MIDI or = anything.

DM

-----Original Message-----
From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earth= link.net]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:46 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI = throwdown

Having tried it out for a few hours, I really don't = think it is a unit to fool with on stage, unless your audience loves = you in a way I have never experienced.  Maybe Rick Walker can get = away with it, but I can't.  When you change patches, you have to = set the parameters--NO MEMORY FOR PRESETS.  I am going to use it = as a set-and-forget device, no matter what context. MIDI rocks and = rules--I can't believe there are electronic musicians who aren't = interested in using it.  Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to = say--chicken? Let the flaming begin. Anxious (or at least eager), = Gary

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36314.367419A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 06:03:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FA2cJ17128; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:02:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:02:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36314.59DA7290" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36314.59DA7290 Content-Type: text/plain Right now I have it set up where I use 3-4 effects I know (and needed) and so I know the knob settings for those ones.. This works great for that kind of stuff. DM -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown SteveK wondered: >Do you just reach over and dial up a new effect patch by hand? What >about when lighting isn't that great, as is usually the case on stage? >It sure does look like a cool unit though(and comes highly regarded). >I just wish it had a couple of more features. (what else is new). Having tried it out for a few hours, I really don't think it is a unit to fool with on stage, unless your audience loves you in a way I have never experienced. Maybe Rick Walker can get away with it, but I can't. When you change patches, you have to set the parameters--NO MEMORY FOR PRESETS. I am going to use it as a set-and-forget device, no matter what context. MIDI rocks and rules--I can't believe there are electronic musicians who aren't interested in using it. Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to say--chicken? Let the flaming begin. Anxious (or at least eager), Gary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36314.59DA7290 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown

Right now I have it set up where I use 3-4 effects I = know (and needed) and so I know the knob settings for those ones.. This = works great for that kind of stuff.

DM

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SteveK wondered:
>Do you just reach over and dial up  a new = effect patch by hand?  What
>about
when lighting isn't that great, as is usually the = case on stage?
>It sure does look like a cool unit though(and = comes highly regarded). 
>I
just wish it had a couple of more features. (what = else is new).

Having tried it out for a few hours, I really don't = think it is a unit to fool with on stage, unless your audience loves = you in a way I have never experienced.  Maybe Rick Walker can get = away with it, but I can't.  When you change patches, you have to = set the parameters--NO MEMORY FOR PRESETS.  I am going to use it = as a set-and-forget device, no matter what context. MIDI rocks and = rules--I can't believe there are electronic musicians who aren't = interested in using it.  Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to = say--chicken? Let the flaming begin. Anxious (or at least eager), = Gary

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36314.59DA7290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 06:36:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FAYsp19017; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:34:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1060943382!1044381 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB42B@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Syncing Echotron's Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:26:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36317.B5CF86A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36317.B5CF86A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" jim- >>I would like to get the Echotron in this loop also. I also have and Effectron II 1024 which works great and a TimeLine DL-4 that doesn't work so great.. I noticed on http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/deltalabs/deltalabs.html That the SYNC jack is "24 ppq clock output, to sync to the echo rate", but I don't quite understand that, or how I could use that...<< I haven't had a proper look at the schematic but the blurb suggests that the 24ppqn is output-only. this needn't be a problem.... assuming you're attached to the box and don't want to substitute something that will deal with incoming midi clock, here's what I'd do: use the deltalabs as the master clock and find something that can run off 24ppqn clock and generate 96ppqn midi clock. there are a number of devices from that awkward time when midi had just appeared but there was still a lot of roland and korg kit around using the roland or korg timing system. (korg's was 48ppqn). something like one of the older-and-larger roland drum machines like a 909 maybe. quite a few modern devices will generate 24/48 but won't slave to it. or, if you can find one, a korg kms-30. this now-sought-after unit will translate between 24, 48 and midi, with any of them as master, and also has a tape-sync interface. I have successfully used it to clock an alesis hr16 from a roland mc202. mine may be for sale. let me know if you're keen to go down this route. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36317.B5CF86A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Syncing Echotron's

jim-

>>I would like to get the Echotron in this loop als= o.  I also have and
Effectron II 1024 which works great and a TimeLine DL-4 = that doesn't work so
great..

I noticed on http://www.loopers-delight.= com/tools/deltalabs/deltalabs.html
That the SYNC jack is "24 ppq clock output, to sync= to the echo rate", but I
don't quite understand that, or how I could use that...&= lt;<

I haven't had a proper look at the schematic but the blur= b suggests that the 24ppqn is output-only. this needn't be a problem.... as= suming you're attached to the box and don't want to substitute something th= at will deal with incoming midi clock, here's what I'd do:

use the deltalabs as the master clock and find something = that can run off 24ppqn clock and generate 96ppqn midi clock.

there are a number of devices from that awkward time when= midi had just appeared but there was still a lot of roland and korg kit ar= ound using the roland or korg timing system. (korg's was 48ppqn). something= like one of the older-and-larger roland drum machines like a 909 maybe. qu= ite a few modern devices will generate 24/48 but won't slave to it.<= /P>

 
or, if you can find one, a korg kms-30. this now-sought-= after unit will translate between 24, 48 and midi, with any of them as mast= er, and also has a tape-sync interface. I have successfully used it to cloc= k an alesis hr16 from a roland mc202. mine may be for sale. let me know if = you're keen to go down this route.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C36317.B5CF86A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 06:41:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FAdvw19575; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:39:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:39:50 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000601c36319$8e3954c0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <3umdED.A.uxE.9hLP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] >> MIDI rocks and rules--I can't believe there are electronic musicians who aren't interested in using it. Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to say--chicken? Let the flaming >> begin. Anxious (or at least eager), Gary Well I'm not much into midi. I only use it for two things: syncing my two looping devices and controlling them from a foot pedal. The rest is all acoustics: voice, saxophone, guitar, rattles etc etc. I have tried experimenting with having a midi sequencer running in sync and sending arpeggio notes to a Repeater track, and also creating beat synced pan effects for other Repeater tracks. But even though this sounded cool I never learned to master it for intuitive improvisations. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 10:24:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FEMh509058; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815142242.55096.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: obsolesence -- coming out of the closet... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <065BBF1A-CEB6-11D7-A08A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- msottilaro wrote: > I've replaced my closet with Ebay. Unlimited space. Quite amazing. Haha! Actually, that's really very practical. > Why store something you don't use? Too lazy to sell it, too much of a packrat to throw it away. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 11:02:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FF1ba13617; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:01:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:01:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <113.27825d31.2c6e4fcb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:01:31 EDT Subject: Re: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.27825d31.2c6e4fcb_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: <957rT.A.pUD.RXPP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_113.27825d31.2c6e4fcb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/03 12:48:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to > say--chicken? > just because there are electric knives does not mean i'm going to use one to cut my chicken.....but then perhaps i do not consider my self an "electronic musician".....i feel that i am more of a "folk luddite loopist".....:).....michael --part1_113.27825d31.2c6e4fcb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/15/0= 3 12:48:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes:

Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like= to
say--chicken?


just because there are electric knives does not mean i'm going to use one to= cut my chicken.....but then perhaps i do not consider my self an "electroni= c musician".....i feel that i am more of a "folk luddite loopist".....:)....= .michael --part1_113.27825d31.2c6e4fcb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 11:19:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FFH5v15449; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:17:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:17:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Delicious Chicken--Cooked by Hand or MIDI? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:16:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <113.27825d31.2c6e4fcb@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mike, you've seen me--I'm no glitch boy--I'm a folk looper. It's just that audio control is what we talking about, and if you are playing using your hands, you need to use your feet. MIDI provides an elegant way to customize that control. And I too use mostly the "record a track and solo" paradigm. But what about endings? More comments? Still wearing asbestos party hat -- Charbroiled Gary Gary Lehmann -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown In a message dated 8/15/03 12:48:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to say--chicken? just because there are electric knives does not mean i'm going to use one to cut my chicken.....but then perhaps i do not consider my self an "electronic musician".....i feel that i am more of a "folk luddite loopist".....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 11:20:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FFJov15835; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:19:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815151937.4861.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: re: Repeater pitch shift To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "William R. Walker," wrote: > I wish I had > the time and money to do a video clinic about the repeater, but I don't. I > did do a short clinic at the last Loopfest in Santa Cruz that I believe was > video taped, and I know at least one person was filming my clinic at > Loopstock II, perhaps someone might come forward (Hans, are you in the > house?) and for a few sheckles to cover expenses, dub you a copy and send > it to you. I'll check with Rick, as well, to see who filmed the Santa Cruz > show. I think I had more time, and went in to more detail at the more > recent San Luis Opisbo (Loopstock II) show. Let me do some investigation > and see where those tapes are. Please keep us posted, I'd like to have a copy. Also of Rick's clinic. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 11:34:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FFXPx17589; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:33:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:33:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: Echoplex Dump Utility Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:34:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody Since about 2 weeks I am the happy owner of an Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. I had only heard about it about a month ago for the first time, even though I have always been using digital delays in a "loopish" manner. Just didn't know there were specific tools around to support that kind of playing! I had even thought about hacking something together many years ago. The farthest I got though, was to extend my Vesta DIG-410s memory to achieve a 2 second delay time. Had I only known about the Paradis Loop at that time... So, since I'm a total newbie with regards to looping I am very happy to find this Looping website full of material to study, thanks a lot for putting it up! (Phew, a lot to research on, since 1996!) My newbieness shines through in the way I use the Echoplex so far: merely as an "instant multitrack mixdown ... er ... device". What I end up with is mostly short loops that represent a musical idea until you stop the player. And since I don't own a proper recording equipment I checked the MIDI dump function of the Echoplex and tried to automate it with a MAX application which I describe in more detail at http://nosuch.biz/soundz/ (scroll down to "Echoplex Dump Utility") in case you want to give it a whirl (Sorry, Mac only). What I wish for future Echoplexes: - more control over pitch shifting than half speed/full speed! Configurable LFOs for modulation, LFO frequency and amplitude control via volume pedal - some sort of SDK for software hackers who would like to program the Echoplex software themselves (I know I'm asking a lot) - This would probably require additional hardware, but still: mixing of the different (up to 16) loops Has anyone managed to get the Echoplex out of the "Load" or "Dump" mode back to "Play" mode via MIDI commands? If so, please let me know how you did it. And also, the Echoplex Sysex MIDI dump header indicates the dumped sample's rate to be 44101 while it should indicate 41500 (I think). This could explain a wrong pitch (too high) when dumping samples from the Echoplex to a sampler. Has anyone on the list observed this ? Anyway, glad (and sleepless, busy, ...) having found loopersdelight and Echoplex! Thanks Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 11:39:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FFbvJ18257; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:37:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:37:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <46.3c7e5138.2c6e584b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:37:47 EDT Subject: feets don't fail me now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46.3c7e5138.2c6e584b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_46.3c7e5138.2c6e584b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/03 11:17:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > you need to use your feet gary.....i already do.....i'm starting to push the buttons on my electrix stuff with my toes.....as you can guess, not a pretty picture.....in all truth, if there were some "sucka" out there that would come spend several daze with me and show me the whole "midi" thang (as it applied to my rig) then i would jump on it, otherwise, i do not have the time nor interest to LEARN it on my own.....right as midi was coming out, i was a big "ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN" mag. reader.....the whole synth thing was takin off, things were exciting.....gradually i understood less and less about what i was reading but i persisted in hopes that thru ozmosis i would eventually understand this stuff.....needless to say, this did not happen, i just could not follow the ins and outs of this (midi) topic.....i used to think of myself as a real button pusher but on a genetic level i'm really a "peter-paul and mary" sort-o-guy.....i just hope that kim never sees my painted toes, yikes.....michael --part1_46.3c7e5138.2c6e584b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/15/0= 3 11:17:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes:

you need to use your feet

gary.....i already do.....i'm starting to push the buttons on my electrix st= uff with my toes.....as you can guess, not a pretty picture.....in all truth= , if there were some "sucka" out there that would come spend several daze wi= th me and show me the whole "midi" thang (as it applied to my rig) then i wo= uld jump on it, otherwise, i do not have the time nor interest to LEARN it o= n my own.....right as midi was coming out, i was a big "ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN"= mag. reader.....the whole synth thing was takin off, things were exciting..= ...gradually i understood less and less about what i was reading but i persi= sted in hopes that thru ozmosis i would eventually understand this stuff....= .needless to say, this did not happen, i just could not follow the ins and o= uts of this (midi) topic.....i used to think of myself as a real button push= er but  on a genetic level i'm really a "peter-paul and mary" sort-o-gu= y.....i just hope that kim never sees my painted toes, yikes.....michael --part1_46.3c7e5138.2c6e584b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 11:47:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FFdZN19029; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:39:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Delicious Chicken--Cooked by Hand or MIDI? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:39:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36343.6BA6D480" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36343.6BA6D480 Content-Type: text/plain What about endings? Am I missing something? What do you usually do for endings? If the loop accomadates ending abruptly I usually do so, and then other songs I have acoustic riffs I end with. Or I'll fade out using the roller volume on by Boomerang. . . Or I'll switch to my B-Loop that has something I played earlier as an ending. Just depends on the song mainly, but how can MIDI benefit me? DM -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Delicious Chicken--Cooked by Hand or MIDI? Hey Mike, you've seen me--I'm no glitch boy--I'm a folk looper. It's just that audio control is what we talking about, and if you are playing using your hands, you need to use your feet. MIDI provides an elegant way to customize that control. And I too use mostly the "record a track and solo" paradigm. But what about endings? More comments? Still wearing asbestos party hat -- Charbroiled Gary Gary Lehmann -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown In a message dated 8/15/03 12:48:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to say--chicken? just because there are electric knives does not mean i'm going to use one to cut my chicken.....but then perhaps i do not consider my self an "electronic musician".....i feel that i am more of a "folk luddite loopist".....:).....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36343.6BA6D480 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Delicious Chicken--Cooked by Hand or MIDI?

What about endings? Am I missing something? What do = you usually do for endings? If the loop accomadates ending abruptly I = usually do so, and then other songs I have acoustic riffs I end with. = Or I'll fade out using the roller volume on by Boomerang. . . Or I'll = switch to my B-Loop that has something I played earlier as an = ending.

Just depends on the song mainly, but how can MIDI = benefit me?

DM

-----Original Message-----
From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earth= link.net]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:17 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Delicious Chicken--Cooked by Hand or = MIDI?


Hey Mike, you've seen me--I'm no glitch boy--I'm a = folk looper.  It's just that audio control is what we talking = about, and if you are playing using your hands, you need to use your = feet.  MIDI provides an elegant way to customize that control. And = I too use mostly the "record a track and solo" = paradigm.  But what about endings? More comments?  Still = wearing asbestos party hat -- Charbroiled Gary

Gary Lehmann

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:02 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI = throwdown


In a message dated 8/15/03 12:48:37 AM Eastern = Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes:



Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to
say--chicken?



just because there are electric knives does not mean = i'm going to use one to cut my chicken.....but then perhaps i do not = consider my self an "electronic musician".....i feel that i = am more of a "folk luddite = loopist".....:).....michael

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36343.6BA6D480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 12:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FG4GO23722; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:04:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815160413.81976.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:04:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002001c36302$aff30690$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1704759241-1060963453=:81139" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1704759241-1060963453=:81139 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's true that I was comparing myself, however unfavorably, to Hans, but it is unlikely he will be there when I do make it to the monthly jam session, because he's not a resident of this area. I didn't mean to imply that I feel like I'm competing with him - sorry that you and Cara got that impression. Common criticisms of experimental music include "it sounds so random", "my 5-yr-old could do a better job", etc. In actuality, experimental musicians like the aforementioned Hans tend to have a fairly clear vision for their music, and have some sort of well-defined organization somewhere within their music-making process. In short, they tend to be very well-prepared for their performances. My concern is over my level of preparedness, but if its just going to be an informal jam session, this concern of mine is likely unfounded. See, in college, I studed improvisation under a musician who put in a lot of time in the NYC improv scene - he's difficult to impress and can readily tell the difference between a really good free improv performance and somebody just spewing notes and other noices at random. Paolo Per Boysen wrote: > To be "skilled" in using a certain performer set-up does not > have to mean the same thing as "creating something > interesting". Quite often the audience experience > performances different than the performer things ;-). Oops! The msg went away when I typed "Ctrl V" before I got the time to sign it. I was just going to say that the listeners might not be sitting there "comparing chops". Chances are they are more interested in what they are hearing and watching. All the best Per Boysen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1704759241-1060963453=:81139 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
It's true that I was comparing myself, however unfavorably, to Hans, but it is unlikely he will be there when I do make it to the monthly jam session, because he's not a resident of this area.  I didn't mean to imply that I feel like I'm competing with him - sorry that you and Cara got that impression. 
 
Common criticisms of experimental music include "it sounds so random", "my 5-yr-old could do a better job", etc.  In actuality, experimental musicians like the aforementioned Hans tend to have a fairly clear vision for their music, and have some sort of well-defined organization somewhere within their music-making process.  In short, they tend to be very well-prepared for their performances.  My concern is over my level of preparedness, but if its just going to be an informal jam session, this concern of mine is likely unfounded.  See, in college, I studed improvisation under a musician who put in a lot of time in the NYC improv scene - he's difficult to impress and can readily tell the difference between a really good free improv performance and somebody just spewing notes and other noices at random.
 
Paolo

Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
> To be "skilled" in using a certain performer set-up does not
> have to mean the same thing as "creating something
> interesting". Quite often the audience experience
> performances different than the performer things ;-).

Oops! The msg went away when I typed "Ctrl V" before I got the time to
sign it. I was just going to say that the listeners might not be sitting
there "comparing chops". Chances are they are more interested in what
they are hearing and watching.

All the best

Per Boysen

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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1704759241-1060963453=:81139-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 12:08:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FG6g924052; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:06:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:06:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: MIDI throwdown Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:06:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real time. If you already have this in your (non-MIDI) interface, I can understand why you might not jump in feet first :&} But the best thing about MY pedal (a PMC-10) is that you can send multiply commands to multiple units--as large a string as you want. Gatta admit that makes dancing more elegant. By the way, what if you drink at a gig and try to do the footswitch boogie? Can't you hurt yourself that way? Anybody here ever take a tumble in the line of duty? In other news, I KNEW it was aliens! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 12:27:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FGOlS26861; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030815160413.81976.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030815160413.81976.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:23:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:04 AM -0700 8/15/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >Common criticisms of experimental music... What is "experimental music"? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 12:37:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FGYTl28179; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:34:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:34:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:32:33 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c3634a$d4c16640$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:34:23 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and > Chaste) > > At 9:04 AM -0700 8/15/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > >Common criticisms of experimental music... > > What is "experimental music"? *gets popcorn* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:04:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FH2b732179; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:02:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:02:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c3634f$84578400$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030815160413.81976.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Definining Experimental Music -- was: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:06:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [68.163.226.18] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:02:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar, PhD writes.... >> What is "experimental music"? Oh help! I feel a semant-a-thon in the making... :-) my $0.02 follow...in Two Parts. 1) The Pedantic View So much "experimental music" lacks a defined goal or stated aim. To explain what I mean, perhaps it can be useful to paraphrase the steps used in a research experiment. An experiment involves the following steps: doing research, identifying the problem, stating a hypothesis, conducting project experimentation, and reaching a conclusion. - Research = the process of collecting information from experiences, knowledgeable sources, and data from exploratory experiments. - Problem = the musical question to be solved or examined. - Hypothesis = an idea about the musical question, based on knowledge and research. - Project Experimentation = the process of testing a hypothesis. Things effecting the experiment are called variables. There are three kinds of variables to identify in an experiments: independent, dependent, and controlled. - Project Conclusion = the project conclusion is a summary of the results of the project experimentation and a statement of how the results relate to the hypothesis. Reasons for experimental results contrary to the hypothesis are included. If applicable, the conclusion can end by giving ideas for further testing. I have many conceptual artist friends who go through this process for their sculptural installations. To them, this is part of what makes their work meaningful, and not purely random and haphazard entities. OK -- JUST TO BE CLEAR -- music, like any art form, is related to my people on an emotional level, and so nice tidy descriptions of experiments will never seem appropriate or adequate. Random organization and haphazard groupings of sounds can have deeply moving effects, to be sure. But, so much of what is termed "experimental" in music and other forms lacks a stated goal or aim, and so really is not consciously experimenting with anything really. 2) The Punter View Experimental music is whatever you think is experimental for you -- one man's noodling is another man's new found insight. OK. Now I'm reaching for my popcorn... David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) > At 9:04 AM -0700 8/15/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > >Common criticisms of experimental music... > > What is "experimental music"? > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:16:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHCje00818; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:12:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20030815160413.81976.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:12:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <74gQH.A.pM.NSRP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:23 AM -0700 8/15/03, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 9:04 AM -0700 8/15/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > >>Common criticisms of experimental music... > >What is "experimental music"? It's clear that we can't rely on the traditional definition of "music that one don't like". This would have to include country music, for me. -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:16:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHD9Y00908; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815171307.32294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1142663477-1060967587=:31954" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1142663477-1060967587=:31954 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To me, it's music that comes out of experimenting with ideas, your gear, etc. The people who invited me for their jam sessions are here: http://www.redroom.org. Perhaps they have their own definition. Love to hear yours. Paolo Richard Zvonar wrote: At 9:04 AM -0700 8/15/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >Common criticisms of experimental music... What is "experimental music"? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1142663477-1060967587=:31954 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
To me, it's music that comes out of experimenting with ideas, your gear, etc.
 
The people who invited me for their jam sessions are here:  http://www.redroom.org.  Perhaps they have their own definition.
 
Love to hear yours.
 
Paolo

Richard Zvonar <zvonar@zvonar.com> wrote:
At 9:04 AM -0700 8/15/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote:

>Common criticisms of experimental music...

What is "experimental music"?

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1142663477-1060967587=:31954-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:17:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHDVh00976; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c3634f$b67fc960$afe65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #334 for August 14, 2003 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:07:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3632E.223BDDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3632E.223BDDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #334 August 14, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Infection Music, a = label in the UK having T-Bass UK and Skin Mechanix on its artist roster. The = Featured CD at Midnight was "The Secret Life of Angels" by Skin Mechanix. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Aqua" by Edgar Froese on Virgin = Records. I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. Infection Music - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#aug The Gathering Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Edgar Froese Upland Aqua (Virgin) Richard Bone Elutherium Alternate Realities (Spiralight) Tangerine Dream The Courage to Loose Mota Atma (TDP) VA [Under the Dome] Flussiger Vier-Takter Gold Tri Vol. 1 (Stonk) Team Metlay The Hinge of Fate Bandwidth (Atomic City) Arttek Deep Freeze Plug In (none) The Mystifying Oracle Sagacious Gibber Quintesscence (none) 12:00 am Skin Mechanix First Flight The Secret Life of = Angels (Infection Music) Skin Mechanix The Secret Life of TSLOA (Infection Music) Angels Skin Mechanix Ultravista TSLOA (Infection Music) Skin Mechanix Interlude at the Edge TSLOA (Infection Music) of Known Space Skin Mechanix ZeitGeist TSLOA (Infection Music) Skin Mechanix A Chromium Dark TSLOA (Infection Music) Skin Mechanix The Great Discovery TSLOA (Infection Music) Skin Mechanix Glow TSLOA (Infection Music) Skin Mechanix Demension Jump TSLOA (Infection Music) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Infection = Music label. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Infection of Time" by = T-Bass UK. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Mythos" by Dreamlab on EMI = Records. I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at the = Gatherings Concert Series on September 13. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3632E.223BDDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
            =    =20     Show #334       =20             August 14, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on = Infection=20 Music, a label in
the UK having T-Bass UK and Skin Mechanix on its = artist=20 roster.  The Featured
CD at Midnight was "The Secret Life of = Angels" by=20 Skin Mechanix.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Aqua" by Edgar Froese on Virgin=20 Records.
 
I played the music of Under the Dome who will be appearing at the=20 Gatherings
Concert Series on September 13.
 
Infection Music - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#aug
=
The Gathering Concert Series - http://www.thegatherings.org
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Edgar=20 Froese            = Upland           &= nbsp;      =20 Aqua (Virgin)
Richard=20 Bone           =20 Elutherium          &nb= sp;   =20 Alternate=20 Realities
          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 (Spiralight)
Tangerine = Dream        =20 The Courage to Loose     Mota Atma (TDP)
VA = [Under the=20 Dome]     Flussiger Vier-Takter    = Gold Tri=20 Vol. 1 (Stonk)
Team=20 Metlay           &= nbsp;=20 The Hinge of Fate        Bandwidth = (Atomic=20 City)
Arttek         &nbs= p;       =20 Deep=20 Freeze           &= nbsp; =20 Plug In (none)
The Mystifying Oracle   Sagacious=20 Gibber         Quintesscence=20 (none)
 
12:00 am
Skin=20 Mechanix           = First=20 Flight           &= nbsp;=20 The Secret Life of=20 Angels
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 (Infection Music)
Skin=20 Mechanix           The = Secret=20 Life of       TSLOA (Infection=20 Music)
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 Angels
Skin=20 Mechanix          =20 Ultravista          &nb= sp;   =20 TSLOA (Infection Music)
Skin=20 Mechanix           = Interlude=20 at the Edge    TSLOA (Infection=20 Music)
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 of Known Space
Skin=20 Mechanix          =20 ZeitGeist          &nbs= p;    =20 TSLOA (Infection Music)
Skin=20 Mechanix           A = Chromium=20 Dark          TSLOA = (Infection=20 Music)
Skin=20 Mechanix           The = Great=20 Discovery      TSLOA (Infection Music)
Skin=20 Mechanix          =20 Glow           &nb= sp;        =20 TSLOA (Infection Music)
Skin=20 Mechanix           = Demension=20 Jump           TSLOA=20 (Infection Music)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 the Infection Music
label.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be = "The=20 Infection of Time" by T-Bass
UK.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Mythos" by Dreamlab on EMI=20 Records.
 
I will play music by Under the Dome who will be appearing at the=20 Gatherings
Concert Series on September 13.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3632E.223BDDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:23:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHKSm01909; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:20:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815172027.7399.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Definining Experimental Music -- was: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002001c3634f$84578400$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1566376054-1060968027=:6611" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1566376054-1060968027=:6611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This has been true of people I met through the UCSD music department (Richard probably knows all about this department - its history, reputation, personalities, etc.) and the Spruce Street Forum scene - both in San Diego, CA. They tend to know what they want and have fairly detailed plans of attack. Paolo David wrote: Richard Zvonar, PhD writes.... >> What is "experimental music"? I have many conceptual artist friends who go through this process for their sculptural installations. To them, this is part of what makes their work meaningful, and not purely random and haphazard entities. [snip] David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) > At 9:04 AM -0700 8/15/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > >Common criticisms of experimental music... > > What is "experimental music"? > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1566376054-1060968027=:6611 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
This has been true of people I met through the UCSD music department (Richard probably knows all about this department - its history, reputation, personalities, etc.) and the Spruce Street Forum scene - both in San Diego, CA.   They tend to know what they want and have fairly detailed plans of attack. 
 
Paolo

David <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:

Richard Zvonar, PhD writes....

>> What is "experimental music"?

I have many conceptual artist friends who go through this process for their
sculptural installations. To them, this is part of what makes their work
meaningful, and not purely random and haphazard entities.

[snip]

David Kirkdorffer



----- Original Message -----
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To:
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and
Chaste)


> At 9:04 AM -0700 8/15/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote:
>
> >Common criticisms of experimental music...
>
> What is "experimental music"?
>
> --
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Richard Zvonar, PhD
> (818) 788-2202
> http://www.zvonar.com
> http://RZCybernetics.com
>
>

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1566376054-1060968027=:6611-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:33:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHVJC03274; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: MIDI throwdown Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:31:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36353.088B2D00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36353.088B2D00 Content-Type: text/plain You say: "One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real time. " But all I hear is: "Gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish." I have no idea what that means to me. -DM -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI throwdown One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real time. If you already have this in your (non-MIDI) interface, I can understand why you might not jump in feet first :&} But the best thing about MY pedal (a PMC-10) is that you can send multiply commands to multiple units--as large a string as you want. Gatta admit that makes dancing more elegant. By the way, what if you drink at a gig and try to do the footswitch boogie? Can't you hurt yourself that way? Anybody here ever take a tumble in the line of duty? In other news, I KNEW it was aliens! Gary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36353.088B2D00 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: MIDI throwdown

You say:
"One of the best things about MIDI is that you = can use continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real = time. "

But all I hear is:
"Gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish = gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish = gibberish."

I have no idea what that means to me.

-DM

-----Original Message-----
From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earth= link.net]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: MIDI throwdown


One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use = continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real time.  = If you already have this in your

(non-MIDI) interface, I can understand why you might = not jump in feet first :&}  But the best thing about MY pedal = (a PMC-10) is that you can send multiply commands to multiple units--as = large a string as you want.  Gatta admit that makes dancing more = elegant. By the way, what if you drink at a gig and try to do the = footswitch boogie? Can't you hurt yourself that way?  Anybody here = ever take a tumble in the line of duty? In other news, I KNEW it was = aliens! Gary

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36353.088B2D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:37:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHaB404170; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:36:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01cc01c36353$b6edf7b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <17afKB.A.CBB.LoRP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is this a zen koan? heres another: what is the sound of one note swishing? > What is "experimental music"? > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:38:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHYqg03964; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:34:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:34:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.2fbacf4e.2c6e73ad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:34:37 EDT Subject: observation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: <_EkpCC.A.z9.8mRP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when looping, i generally have a loop playing and i'm either adding too it or letting it fade and change.....quite often i'm just playing over top of it.....i have reconfigured my rig so that everything is well within reach of either my fingers or toes.....lately what i have noticed is a reluctance on my part to stop playing (remove my hands from my guitar) and tweek something on my mixer for example.....i think this is a throwback to my pre-looping days i.e. when i stop playing there will be nothing (silence).....how silly! there is a monster loop playing and for the 1-3 seconds it takes for me to make a change there is still alot going on.....talk about overplaying.....i have just noticed this little aspect about my approach to looping.....its another of the many bug-a-boos that create TENSION in me when i play, very much like all the internal "voices" rampaging in my mind: "this isn't loopy enuf", "who could like this stuff" ," i'm a genius, why arn't i getting the big buck for my music", you know what i mean?.....at least i hope you do.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:43:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHcaD04595; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3D196F.480CCA80@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:33:35 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of "experimental" References: <20030815171307.32294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo said, > The people who invited me for their jam sessions are here: > http://www.redroom.org. Perhaps they have their own definition. Indeed they do! About a year ago, there was (very) loose talk about the Walker/Lawson/LaFosse trio trying to play some East Coast dates. One Maryland venue which I contacted (Orion Sound Studios, who said they generally didn't book "experimental/improv" music) referred me to the Red Room. I emailed them with an inquiry, and their booker replied thusly: "Dear Andre, Sorry, listened to your stuff and it is not our kind of thing. We are focused on more extremely experimental (ie. non-iomatic) kinds of stuff. Stuff that doesn't sound like human music." The ironic thing is that I think Rick Walker's solo set would have been perfect for the Red Room, and Steve Lawson would have fit right in with the more proggish slant of Orion... :() Ah well, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:48:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHirB05445; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:44:46 -0700 Subject: Re: MIDI throwdown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-1057907905 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 73a09e4d aee23e9e e8cc8617 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <291A6918-CF48-11D7-BE15-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-1057907905 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIDI isn't all that complicated, but it can be (or seem to be). Most=20 get turned off by MIDI implementation charts in the back of manuals=20 that read like C++. It's really not that bad at all and you have to=20 know very little in most cases. What he's saying is that you can get a=20= foot controller or other type of controller and easily assign one of=20 the pedals to change a perimeters like volume or filter frequency (like=20= a wha wha pedal) or both at the same time. Pretty damn useful and not=20= that hard at all once you get over the initial fear that MIDI is some=20 crazy moon language you have to learn. Think of it like word processing rather than audio processing. MIDI is=20= symbolic, like a player piano roll. Every hole in the paper represents=20= an "event" such as a note. Some can represent volume or other=20 qualities about the note. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 10:31 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: > You say: > "One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous=20 > controllers to modify events and effects in real time. " > > But all I hear is: > "Gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish=20= > gibberish gibberish gibberish." > > I have no idea what that means to me. > > -DM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MIDI throwdown > > > One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous=20 > controllers to modify events and effects in real time.=A0 If you = already=20 > have this in your > > (non-MIDI) interface, I can understand why you might not jump in feet=20= > first :&}=A0 But the best thing about MY pedal (a PMC-10) is that you=20= > can send multiply commands to multiple units--as large a string as you=20= > want.=A0 Gatta admit that makes dancing more elegant. By the way, what=20= > if you drink at a gig and try to do the footswitch boogie? Can't you=20= > hurt yourself that way?=A0 Anybody here ever take a tumble in the line=20= > of duty? In other news, I KNEW it was aliens! Gary > --Apple-Mail-4-1057907905 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIDI isn't all that complicated, but it can be (or seem to be). Most get turned off by MIDI implementation charts in the back of manuals that read like C++. It's really not that bad at all and you have to know very little in most cases. What he's saying is that you can get a foot controller or other type of controller and easily assign one of the pedals to change a perimeters like volume or filter frequency (like a wha wha pedal) or both at the same time. Pretty damn useful and not that hard at all once you get over the initial fear that MIDI is some crazy moon language you have to learn. Think of it like word processing rather than audio processing. MIDI is symbolic, like a player piano roll. Every hole in the paper represents an "event" such as a note. Some can represent volume or other qualities about the note. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 10:31 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: You say: "One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real time. " But all I hear is: "Gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish." I have no idea what that means to me. -DM -----Original Message----- From: Relay = [1999,1999,FFFFmailto:relaydelayband@eart= hlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI throwdown One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real time.=A0 If you already have this in your (non-MIDI) interface, I can understand why you might not jump in feet first :&}=A0 But the best thing about MY pedal (a PMC-10) is that you can send multiply commands to multiple units--as large a string as you want.=A0 Gatta admit that makes dancing more elegant. By the way, what if you drink at a gig and try to do the footswitch boogie? Can't you hurt yourself that way?=A0 Anybody here ever take a tumble in the line of duty? In other news, I KNEW it was aliens! = Gary = --Apple-Mail-4-1057907905-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 13:52:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FHnOD05986; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:49:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:49:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of "experimental" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:49:19 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000b01c36355$8e253940$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3F3D196F.480CCA80@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-L8kf.A.ZdB.j0RP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Stuff that doesn't sound like human music." LOL, talk about a gengre decription!!! ;-D Per boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 14:08:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FI6j807705; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:06:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:06:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Spruce Street Forum Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:06:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030815172027.7399.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1j2Ok.A.Q4B.1ESP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the Spruce Street Forum scene - San Diego, CA. [Clayton Gary Lehmann] http://www.sprucestreetforum.com/ Hope for the best. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 14:18:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FIGxO08792; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815181658.7950.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Spruce Street Forum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-729679498-1060971418=:7884" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-729679498-1060971418=:7884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What a shame. I'm glad I had a chance to see Gerry Hemingway, Chris Speed Quartet, etc. play live in San Diego - only made possible because of this venue. I got the impression Bonnie had to come up with significant bread to fly these cats all the way down to So Cal. Paolo Relay wrote: the Spruce Street Forum scene - San Diego, CA. [Clayton Gary Lehmann] http://www.sprucestreetforum.com/ Hope for the best. Gary --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-729679498-1060971418=:7884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
What a shame.
 
I'm glad I had a chance to see Gerry Hemingway, Chris Speed Quartet, etc. play live in San Diego - only made possible because of this venue.  I got the impression Bonnie had to come up with significant bread to fly these cats all the way down to So Cal.
 
Paolo

Relay <relaydelayband@earthlink.net> wrote:

the Spruce Street Forum scene - San Diego, CA.
[Clayton Gary Lehmann]
http://www.sprucestreetforum.com/
Hope for the best.
Gary

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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-729679498-1060971418=:7884-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 14:43:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FIfpP11835; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:41:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:41:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.1e7132e8.2c6e8365@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:41:41 EDT Subject: Ooooops, that was a mess. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7FIfpW11805 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yikes, Sorry folks, I never meant to unsubscribe from the LD list. I thought I was unsubbing from Bill Fox's EMUSIC Playlist. I didn't realize it was coming to me courtesy of the LD list. Argh! If I ever wanted to unsub from LD I would certainly know the proper way to do so. But that's not likely to happen. I've been unsubbing from a number of other extraneous newsletters and stuff lately though and I thought the EMUSIC one was a good candidate to go (no offense meant to Bill Fox, whoever he is). Anyway, I'm back. I hope that confusion is all over now. What a useless pud. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 15:13:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FJBM315307; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:11:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: MIDI throwdown Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:11:11 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01c36360$ffb2bd20$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C36326.5353E520" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C36326.5353E520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The power that midi gives you makes it worth the time to learn it from square one instead of leaning on the list members to educate you. There are several books and/or websites for helping get a handle on midi, including glossaries so gibberish becomes comprehensible. PS: NOW, can I be in the grumpy list members' club? :-) -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:31 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: MIDI throwdown You say: "One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real time. " But all I hear is: "Gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish." I have no idea what that means to me. -DM -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI throwdown One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real time. If you already have this in your (non-MIDI) interface, I can understand why you might not jump in feet first :&} But the best thing about MY pedal (a PMC-10) is that you can send multiply commands to multiple units--as large a string as you want. Gatta admit that makes dancing more elegant. By the way, what if you drink at a gig and try to do the footswitch boogie? Can't you hurt yourself that way? Anybody here ever take a tumble in the line of duty? In other news, I KNEW it was aliens! Gary ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C36326.5353E520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: MIDI throwdown

The power that midi gives you makes = it worth the time to learn it from square one instead of leaning on the = list members to educate you. There are several books and/or websites for = helping get a handle on midi, including glossaries so gibberish becomes = comprehensible.

 

PS: NOW, can I be in the grumpy = list members’ club? J

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, = 2003 10:31 AM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: RE: MIDI = throwdown

 

You say:
"One of the best = things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers to modify events and = effects in real time. "

But all I hear is:
"Gibberish = gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish = gibberish."

I have no idea what that means to = me.

-DM

-----Original Message-----
From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthl= ink.net]
Sent: Friday, August 15, = 2003 12:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: MIDI = throwdown

 

One of the best things about MIDI is that you = can use continuous controllers to modify events and effects in real time.  = If you already have this in your

(non-MIDI) interface, I can understand why = you might not jump in feet first :&}  But the best thing about MY pedal = (a PMC-10) is that you can send multiply commands to multiple units--as = large a string as you want.  Gatta admit that makes dancing more elegant. = By the way, what if you drink at a gig and try to do the footswitch boogie? = Can't you hurt yourself that way?  Anybody here ever take a tumble in the = line of duty? In other news, I KNEW it was aliens! = Gary

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C36326.5353E520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 15:24:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FJNIY16775; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030815120223.00b2d6f0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:23:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: RE: Syncing Echotron's In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB42B@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know a lot about it, but it sounds like Duncan has the right idea. Hopefully your DX has MIDI OUT (mine do, but one is a late model and the other has the Stretch module). Try this: connect the SYNC OUT of the Echotron to the EXT CLOCK IN of the DX, and then press EDIT on the DX to enter parameter mode. Use < or > to get to parameter field 01. Then press STEP until the display ready 0124 (for parameter 01 [Timing], 24 ppqn). There has to be something plugged into the CLOCK IN jack for 24, 48, or 96 to come up as a timing parameter option. I also notice that the DX can put out 24, 48, or 96 ppqn from the EXT CLOCK OUT jack (parameter 03). Good Luck, -Hans At 03:26 15/08/2003, you wrote: >jim- > > >>I would like to get the Echotron in this loop also. I also have and >Effectron II 1024 which works great and a TimeLine DL-4 that doesn't work so >great.. > >I noticed on >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/deltalabs/deltalabs.html > >That the SYNC jack is "24 ppq clock output, to sync to the echo rate", but I >don't quite understand that, or how I could use that...<< > >I haven't had a proper look at the schematic but the blurb suggests that >the 24ppqn is output-only. this needn't be a problem.... assuming you're >attached to the box and don't want to substitute something that will deal >with incoming midi clock, here's what I'd do: > >use the deltalabs as the master clock and find something that can run off >24ppqn clock and generate 96ppqn midi clock. > >there are a number of devices from that awkward time when midi had just >appeared but there was still a lot of roland and korg kit around using the >roland or korg timing system. (korg's was 48ppqn). something like one of >the older-and-larger roland drum machines like a 909 maybe. quite a few >modern devices will generate 24/48 but won't slave to it. > > >or, if you can find one, a korg kms-30. this now-sought-after unit will >translate between 24, 48 and midi, with any of them as master, and also >has a tape-sync interface. I have successfully used it to clock an alesis >hr16 from a roland mc202. mine may be for sale. let me know if you're keen >to go down this route. > >duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 15:28:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FJQSW17262; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:26:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:26:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815192621.32104.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:26:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: obsolesence -- coming out of the closet... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030815142242.55096.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Greg House wrote: > Too lazy to sell it, too much of a packrat to throw > it away. In my case, I'm often reluctant to sell gear because my usual pattern is to: 1) Obtain new thing and overuse it for a little while. and then either 2a) Incorporate it smoothly into my rig or 2b) put it away for an indefinite period of time if 2b, then: 3a) remember I have the thing, get it out and use it a lot, being really glad I didn't unload it... (go to 2a) or 3b) reconfirm my original dissatisfaction with the thing (go to 2b, repeat as necessary...) Step 3b doesn't necessarily rule the thing out though; I've often found a use for something after a long gestation period! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 15:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FJYvB18741; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:34:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:34:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815193451.23641.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Definining Experimental Music -- was: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002001c3634f$84578400$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <75rpn.A.skE.hXTP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David wrote: > OK. Now I'm reaching for my popcorn... Why am I picturing Homer Simpson having just stumbled upon a huge modular synth setup that's plugged into the world's largest sound reenforcement system turned up to 11 and waiting for input going "Hmmmm, I wonder what THIS button does? DOH!!!" Mmmmmm, popcorn.... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 15:38:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FJaxF19151; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:36:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:36:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14802.65.217.77.172.1060976249.squirrel@www.caffeinatedrecordings.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:37:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Syncing_Echotron's?= From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jim_Birch?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB42B@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB42B@LON-MAIL07> Reply-To: jim@caffeinatedrecordings.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, Duncan, thank you both. Hans, My DX is the Stretch Model, it does have MIDI OUT. I will try your suggested set up tonight! That sounds like it will work. Duncan, I will keep an eye out for the KMS-30, a friend of mine has one hooked up in his rig, never knew what it did though... I would eventurally like to upgrade my Drum Machine, probably to a Novation D-Station or the like, so that will be handy to have around. If you do want to sell yours, send me an email. Thanks again, Jim Original Messages ================= I don't know a lot about it, but it sounds like Duncan has the right idea. Hopefully your DX has MIDI OUT (mine do, but one is a late model and the other has the Stretch module). Try this: connect the SYNC OUT of the Echotron to the EXT CLOCK IN of the DX, and then press EDIT on the DX to enter parameter mode. Use < or > to get to parameter field 01. Then press STEP until the display ready 0124 (for parameter 01 [Timing], 24 ppqn). There has to be something plugged into the CLOCK IN jack for 24, 48, or 96 to come up as a timing parameter option. I also notice that the DX can put out 24, 48, or 96 ppqn from the EXT CLOCK OUT jack (parameter 03). Good Luck, -Hans I haven't had a proper look at the schematic but the blurb suggests that the 24ppqn is output-only. this needn't be a problem.... assuming you're attached to the box and don't want to substitute something that will deal with incoming midi clock, here's what I'd do: use the deltalabs as the master clock and find something that can run off 24ppqn clock and generate 96ppqn midi clock. there are a number of devices from that awkward time when midi had just appeared but there was still a lot of roland and korg kit around using the roland or korg timing system. (korg's was 48ppqn). something like one of the older-and-larger roland drum machines like a 909 maybe. quite a few modern devices will generate 24/48 but won't slave to it. or, if you can find one, a korg kms-30. this now-sought-after unit will translate between 24, 48 and midi, with any of them as master, and also has a tape-sync interface. I have successfully used it to clock an alesis hr16 from a roland mc202. mine may be for sale. let me know if you're keen to go down this route. duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 16:14:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FKAkw24220; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:10:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Inhuman(e) music--"Experimental"? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:10:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I press the panic button on my Ztar, it makes the EDPs lock up and makes my current module, the SC-880 create the sound of a brass band being instantly and rapidly escorted down several flights of stairs. I wonder if that makes me the sort of artist they are looking for . . . Did I mention that it's a double neck with rainbow metal flake finish? Come see me in Santa Cruz if you think ahm lahin' . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of "experimental" > Stuff that doesn't sound like human music." LOL, talk about a gengre decription!!! ;-D Per boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 17:21:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FLJLE31838; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:19:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.162.205] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: Subject: Re: Inhuman(e) music--"Experimental"? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:19:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C36338.302EFCD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:19:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2003 21:19:14.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0A3AB30:01C36372] Resent-Message-ID: <62OBZ.A.XxH.Y5UP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C36338.302EFCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Stuff that doesn't sound like human music." By this definition, my neighbor's dog is very 'experimental'. I'll be = sure to mention it to them in passing. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Relay=20 To: Looper's Delight=20 Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Inhuman(e) music--"Experimental"? When I press the panic button on my Ztar, it makes the EDPs lock up = and makes my current module, the SC-880 create the sound of a brass band = being instantly and rapidly escorted down several flights of stairs. I wonder if that makes me the sort of artist they are looking for . . = . Did I mention that it's a double neck with rainbow metal flake finish? Come see me in Santa Cruz if you think ahm lahin' . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of = "experimental" > Stuff that doesn't sound like human music." LOL, talk about a gengre decription!!! ;-D Per boysen ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C36338.302EFCD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Stuff that doesn't sound like human music."

By this = definition,=20 my neighbor's dog is very 'experimental'. I'll be sure to mention it to = them in=20 passing.
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Relay
To: Looper's = Delight
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 = 1:10=20 PM
Subject: Inhuman(e)=20 music--"Experimental"?

When I press the panic button on my Ztar, it makes the = EDPs=20 lock up and
makes my current module, the SC-880 create the sound of = a brass=20 band being
instantly and rapidly escorted down several flights of=20 stairs.
I wonder if that makes me the sort of artist they are = looking for .=20 . .
Did I mention that it's a double neck with rainbow metal flake=20 finish?
Come see me in Santa Cruz if you think ahm lahin' . .=20 .
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Per Boysen=20 [mailto:per@boysen.se]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:49 = AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of = "experimental"


>=20 Stuff that doesn't sound like human music."

LOL, talk about a = gengre=20 decription!!!  ;-D

Per=20 boysen

------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C36338.302EFCD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 18:03:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FM1fb03530; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:01:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:01:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030815220139.19890.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:01:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of "experimental" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F3D196F.480CCA80@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-379004038-1060984899=:19859" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-379004038-1060984899=:19859 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've only been to Red Room once, but the impression I got from that one visit, plus last year's Sonic Circuits electronic music festival (which had some of the same people) was that they were into the same kind of "academic experimental" (Richard, don't bother asking, you are in a better position to explain THAT :) :) :)) music as what I heard at UCSD and Spruce Street Forum. Their comments to you sound very much along the lines of Derek Bailey's thoughts on non-idiomatic vs. idiomatic improv in his book. Paolo Andre LaFosse wrote: Paolo said, > The people who invited me for their jam sessions are here: > http://www.redroom.org. Perhaps they have their own definition. Indeed they do! About a year ago, there was (very) loose talk about the Walker/Lawson/LaFosse trio trying to play some East Coast dates. One Maryland venue which I contacted (Orion Sound Studios, who said they generally didn't book "experimental/improv" music) referred me to the Red Room. I emailed them with an inquiry, and their booker replied thusly: "Dear Andre, Sorry, listened to your stuff and it is not our kind of thing. We are focused on more extremely experimental (ie. non-iomatic) kinds of stuff. Stuff that doesn't sound like human music." The ironic thing is that I think Rick Walker's solo set would have been perfect for the Red Room, and Steve Lawson would have fit right in with the more proggish slant of Orion... :() Ah well, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-379004038-1060984899=:19859 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I've only been to Red Room once, but the impression I got from that one visit, plus last year's Sonic Circuits electronic music festival (which had some of the same people) was that they were into the same kind of "academic experimental" (Richard, don't bother asking, you are in a better position to explain THAT :) :) :)) music as what I heard at UCSD and Spruce Street Forum.  Their comments to you sound very much along the lines of Derek Bailey's thoughts on non-idiomatic vs. idiomatic improv in his book. 
 
Paolo

Andre LaFosse <altruist@earthlink.net> wrote:
Paolo said,

> The people who invited me for their jam sessions are here:
> http://www.redroom.org. Perhaps they have their own definition.

Indeed they do!

About a year ago, there was (very) loose talk about the
Walker/Lawson/LaFosse trio trying to play some East Coast dates. One
Maryland venue which I contacted (Orion Sound Studios, who said they
generally didn't book "experimental/improv" music) referred me to the
Red Room. I emailed them with an inquiry, and their booker replied thusly:

"Dear Andre,

Sorry, listened to your stuff and it is not our kind of thing. We are
focused on more extremely experimental (ie. non-iomatic) kinds of stuff.
Stuff that doesn't sound like human music."

The ironic thing is that I think Rick Walker's solo set would have been
perfect for the Red Room, and Steve Lawson would have fit right in with
the more proggish slant of Orion... :()

Ah well,

--Andre LaFosse
http://www.altruistmusic.com

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-379004038-1060984899=:19859-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 19:05:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FN4Rq00547; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:04:19 EDT Subject: "something about vampires and sluts" new cd! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.2f1c60ed.2c6ec0f3_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10690 Resent-Message-ID: <4HJpdC.A.cI.7bWP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f7.2f1c60ed.2c6ec0f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey ! our new cd just came out this week......lots of looping with the echoplex...not really blatant looping but the kind that free's you up to make melodies over chords etc. there's a tune up at coptercrash.com and you can order the cd from the same site. check it out! brian somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com --part1_f7.2f1c60ed.2c6ec0f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey !
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somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com --part1_f7.2f1c60ed.2c6ec0f3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 20:01:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7FNxWu06334; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:59:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3D76D2.E6BB7AC3@erols.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:12:02 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: EDP loop technique question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Here is a question for you. I use an EDP. I've seen Howie Day do this thing where he builds up an intrumental loop on his guitar with one looper, and then builds up a vocal loop on a seperate looper. He then has the ability to turn one loop off while the other plays. I'd like to be able to do this, but I'm not sure if it can be done with just one EDP. Here is what I'd like to do. Build up an intrumental loop of some sort. Then add vocals on top of it, with vocal harmonies and the whole things. Then I'd like to drop the intrumental part out of it and just hear the vocals. I'd then like to play some new stuff on my guitar underneath the vocals. Any strategies for doing this with one EDP? I suspect a clever use of feedback may be needed. Thanks in advance, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 20:09:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G07Sd07351; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:07:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:07:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3D78AF.1810AADC@erols.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:19:59 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: MIDI commands sent by drum machine to EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was discussion this week about using a drum machine to send MIDI commands to the EDP. I was going to try this with my Korg ER-1. Some questions first. The EDP manual has a MIDI command list. For example, the Reverse command is listed as A with a source # offset of 33. If I set up one of the pads on the ER-1 to transmit A, will that cause the EDP to Reverse? Which A would it be anyway, A1 A2 etc. Thanks in advance, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 21:04:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G13fx12322; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:03:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:03:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c36392$bd2e2980$a5c45e0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <001401c362d0$4c4de9c0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: The lights are off Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:07:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <4aSZZC.A.XAD.sLYP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Relay said: > > Aliens!! > > Maybe . . . David replied: > I just heard on the radio that it's being blamed on Canadians. Is there a difference? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 21:57:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G1uE216741; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:56:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:56:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030815184640.036d5ff8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:56:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: MIDI commands sent by drum machine to EDP In-Reply-To: <3F3D78AF.1810AADC@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:19 PM 8/15/2003, John Mazzarella wrote: >There was discussion this week about using a drum machine to send MIDI >commands to the EDP. I was going to try this with my Korg ER-1. Some >questions first. The EDP manual has a MIDI command list. For example, >the Reverse command is listed as A with a source # offset of 33. If I >set up one of the pads on the ER-1 to transmit A, will that cause the >EDP to Reverse? Which A would it be anyway, A1 A2 etc. Source# is the number programmed in the Source# parameter. The default is 36. Each command has an offset from there. Source# + offset = Midi Note# for that command. (or continuous controller# if you are using cc instead of notes.) So for example, Reverse is an offset of 33. if you have Source# set to 36, this is midi note number 69. In the manual the note name is listed since it is helpful in locating the command quickly if you are using something like a keyboard to control the echoplex. I don't see why it would matter much with a drum machine as the controller. Changing Source# might be useful if you wanted to shift the commands around in the note# space. For example, maybe you want them all on the left side of the keyboard, so you might use a lower value. If you are using a programmable midi controller you probably wouldn't care about that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 15 23:39:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G3bxa25782; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:37:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3DAA05.4366198E@erols.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:50:29 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI commands sent by drum machine to EDP References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030815184640.036d5ff8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > At 05:19 PM 8/15/2003, John Mazzarella wrote: > >There was discussion this week about using a drum machine to send MIDI > >commands to the EDP. I was going to try this with my Korg ER-1. Some > >questions first. The EDP manual has a MIDI command list. For example, > >the Reverse command is listed as A with a source # offset of 33. If I > >set up one of the pads on the ER-1 to transmit A, will that cause the > >EDP to Reverse? Which A would it be anyway, A1 A2 etc. > > Source# is the number programmed in the Source# parameter. The default is 36. > > Each command has an offset from there. > > Source# + offset = Midi Note# for that command. (or continuous controller# > if you are using cc instead of notes.) > > So for example, Reverse is an offset of 33. if you have Source# set to 36, > this is midi note number 69. > > In the manual the note name is listed since it is helpful in locating the > command quickly if you are using something like a keyboard to control the > echoplex. I don't see why it would matter much with a drum machine as the > controller. > > Changing Source# might be useful if you wanted to shift the commands around > in the note# space. For example, maybe you want them all on the left side > of the keyboard, so you might use a lower value. If you are using a > programmable midi controller you probably wouldn't care about that. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com Kim, Thanks for the info. I'm only recently learning about MIDI. Just to clarify. If I wanted to engage reverse I'd set my drum machine pad to send midi note #69, right? Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com PS: Thanks so much for maintaining Loopers Delight. I'm a recent EDP owner, and I use it at every gig. It's enabled me to really express the music that I have in my head. Which, by the way, is acoustic singer/songwriter pop with elements of electronica thrown in. Anyway, I appreciate having a community to share ideas with. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 00:06:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G466S28196; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:06:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.20963735.2c6f07aa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:06:02 EDT Subject: Re: MIDI commands sent by drum machine to EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5a.20963735.2c6f07aa_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5a.20963735.2c6f07aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to second that emotion; this is a fantastic list! Tim Fluharty In a message dated 8/15/03 8:38:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmazzarella@erols.com writes: > PS: Thanks so much for maintaining Loopers Delight. I'm a recent EDP > owner, and > I use it at every gig. It's enabled me to really express the music that I > have > in my head. Which, by the way, is acoustic singer/songwriter pop with > elements > of electronica thrown in. Anyway, I appreciate having a community to share > ideas > with. > > --part1_5a.20963735.2c6f07aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to second that emotion; this is a fantastic lis= t!

Tim Fluharty

In a message dated 8/15/03 8:38:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmazzarella@ero= ls.com writes:

PS:  Thanks so much for ma= intaining Loopers Delight.  I'm a recent EDP owner, and
I use it at every gig.  It's enabled me to really express the music tha= t I have
in my head.  Which, by the way, is acoustic singer/songwriter pop with=20= elements
of electronica thrown in.  Anyway, I appreciate having a community to s= hare ideas
with.



 --part1_5a.20963735.2c6f07aa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 00:14:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G4DfQ29012; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:13:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:13:34 EDT Subject: Re: eigenradio... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.2f1eff1f.2c6f096e_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f7.2f1eff1f.2c6f096e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was this "Eigenradio" a joke, or what? My browser's broke so I can't get beyond my email, but none of my friends that I forwarded it to could ever hear anything... Best, Tim F In a message dated 8/11/03 9:50:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Many talk about trying to market their music to a larger audience, but > the industrious people at MIT have put their CPU cycles where their > money is and have come up with Statistically Optimal Music. Enjoy... > > > Begin forwarded message: > >"Eigenradio makes its optimal music by analyzing in real time dozens > >of radio stations at once. When our bank of computers has heard enough > >music, it will go to work on making more just like it. Since we listen > >to so much music all the time, Eigenradio is always on and always > >live. What you hear on Eigenradio is the best of the New Music, > >distilled and de-correlated. One song on Eigenradio is worth at least > >twenty songs on old radio." > > > >http://eigenradio.media.mit.edu/ > > --part1_f7.2f1eff1f.2c6f096e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was this "Eigenradio" a joke, or what? My browser's br= oke so I can't get beyond my email, but none of my friends that I forwarded=20= it to could ever hear anything...

Best,

Tim F


In a message dated 8/11/03 9:50:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossi= ng.net writes:

Many talk about trying to marke= t their music to a larger audience, but
the industrious people at MIT have put their CPU cycles where their
money is and have come up with Statistically Optimal Music.  Enjoy...

Begin forwarded message:
>"Eigenradio makes its optimal music by analyzing in real time dozens >of radio stations at once. When our bank of computers has heard enough <= BR> >music, it will go to work on making more just like it. Since we listen <= BR> >to so much music all the time, Eigenradio is always on and always
>live. What you hear on Eigenradio is the best of the New Music,
>distilled and de-correlated. One song on Eigenradio is worth at least >twenty songs on old radio."
>
>http://eigenradio.media.mit.edu/



 --part1_f7.2f1eff1f.2c6f096e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 00:29:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G4Sqn30471; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:28:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:28:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <194.1d576643.2c6f0cf9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:28:41 EDT Subject: Re: MIDI Throwdown To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_194.1d576643.2c6f0cf9_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10698 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_194.1d576643.2c6f0cf9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Don, OK, I'll try to put this in plain english. MIDI is simply a language created so that any music device, can "talk" to another other music device, no matter which manufacturer, as long as they both have MIDI inputs (and outputs) connected. Cool, eh. That's how Roland midi pedal "A" can talk to Alesis effects device "B", for example, and "tell" it to change patches, as in the example of our INEKO effects unit.. The former is called a "controller", BTW, because it is literally controlling the latter. A "continuous controller," often a foot pedal that looks like a volume pedal, simply sends a range of commands, from 0 - 128 for example, as you press down. Volume and pan, are typical examples of MIDI parameters that have a range of expression, as opposed to simply on or off. A slider on a midi keyboard can also be a "CC". The device that receives the command is called a sound module. The INEKO is one of these. If the INEKO had MIDI, we could use our MIDI foot pedal to control certain MIDI parameters of the INEKO like: program change, tap tempo, delay feedback etc. So there you have it. See, that wasn't so hard was it? SteveK In a message dated 8/15/2003 11:20:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MIDI throwdown > > > One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers > to modify events and effects in real time. But all I hear is: > > "Gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish > gibberish gibberish gibberish." > > I have no idea what that means to me. > > -DM --part1_194.1d576643.2c6f0cf9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Don,

OK, I'll try to put this in plain english.  

MIDI is simply a language created  so that any music device,  can=20= "talk" to another other music device, no matter which manufacturer, as long=20= as they both have MIDI inputs (and outputs) connected.  Cool, eh. =

That's how Roland midi pedal "A" can talk to Alesis effects device "B", for=20= example, and "tell" it to change patches, as in the example of our INEKO eff= ects unit..
The former is called a "controller",  BTW,  because it is literall= y controlling the latter.

A "continuous controller,"  often a  foot pedal that looks like a= volume pedal, simply sends a range of commands, from 0 - 128 for example,&n= bsp; as you press down. 
Volume and pan,  are typical examples of MIDI parameters that have a ra= nge of expression, as opposed to simply on or off.
A slider on a midi keyboard can also be a "CC". 

The device that receives the command is called a sound module.  The INE= KO is one of these.  If the INEKO had MIDI, we could use our  MIDI= foot pedal to control  certain MIDI parameters of the INEKO like: prog= ram change, tap tempo,  delay feedback etc. 

So there you have it.  See, that wasn't so hard was it?

SteveK

In a message dated 8/15/2003 11:20:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Deli= ght-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:




-----Original Message-----
From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: MIDI throwdown


One of the best things about MIDI is that you can use continuous controllers=
to modify events and effects in real time.  



But all I hear is:

"Gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish
gibberish gibberish gibberish."

I have no idea what that means to me.

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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 04:48:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G8m9315003; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c363d3$1ce31800$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F64FE@cwus-dtw-pri02.compuware.com> <000d01c3623d$8084cda0$2ccfc22b@AOstler> <00d701c37aa1$37ac7c00$41197ad5@vr1> Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:48:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > any chance of a link to looplex ? i tried mda's site.......i havent > tried realtime looping of stuff in ableton yet......is a great tool > with a unique feel and potential for sure...... it's in the downloads on this page: http://www.mda-vst.com/effects.htm it's just not listed! os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 04:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G8wfl15670; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:58:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:58:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: EDP loop technique question Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:58:36 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001301c363d4$942f24c0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3F3D76D2.E6BB7AC3@erols.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi John, There is a cool feature in LOOP4 where you can substitute a part of the loop and have the new audio coming back on the next loop round. However, with this "substitute, insert" method you can not build up the vocal part with many layers. Your idea of using feedback could be another thing to try, maybe combined with setting a defined number of loops. If you are using two loops you could start building the instrumental part in "loop A" and then step "next" (using the "copy audio") and start building loop B with your vocals on top of the instrumental background. While singing you should bring feedback down a bit to fade out the instrumental loop behind the vocal layers. Older vocal lines will also fade away so you might have to "repair" them as you slowly substitute the music with vocal layers. When the loop reaches acapella only you can stop overdubbing and set feedback back to 100%. Now you can step between the instrumental and the acapella loop. You could also do this with the EDP set for three loops: (A) instrumental, (B) instruments and vocals, (C) vocal only. Then, when in loop B, you have to carefully watch out for the moment when the mix between instrumental and vocal layers is right - then you step the next button and keep "repairing" the vocal harmonies while the instrumental layers fade back in the feedback. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP loop technique question > > > Hi All, > Here is a question for you. I use an EDP. I've seen > Howie Day do this thing where he builds up an intrumental > loop on his guitar with one looper, and then builds up a > vocal loop on a seperate looper. He then has the ability to > turn one loop off while the other plays. I'd like to be able > to do this, but I'm not sure if it can be done with just one EDP. > Here is what I'd like to do. Build up an intrumental > loop of some sort. Then add vocals on top of it, with vocal > harmonies and the whole things. Then I'd like to drop the > intrumental part out of it and just hear the vocals. I'd > then like to play some new stuff on my guitar underneath the > vocals. Any strategies for doing this with one EDP? I > suspect a clever use of feedback may be needed. > > Thanks in advance, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 05:10:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G99Ql16260; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:09:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.185aba2c.2c6f4ebf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:09:19 EDT Subject: Re: EDP loop technique question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <1a34TD.A.59D.GTfP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Any strategies for doing this with one EDP? no the closest you can get is to use Substitute (or just zero feedback) and overdub one vocal while you hear the backing, then after that the backing will disappear leaving just the one vocal a second EDP then ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 05:17:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G9GMk16744; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:16:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:16:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Inhuman(e) music--"Experimental"? Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:16:16 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001401c363d7$0c222a70$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C363E7.CFAAFA70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C363E7.CFAAFA70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dogs ARE experimental! Pink Floyd used a bunch of them on a record once. No looping though, just plain live dogs. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com -----Original Message----- From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inhuman(e) music--"Experimental"? > Stuff that doesn't sound like human music." By this definition, my neighbor's dog is very 'experimental'. I'll be sure to mention it to them in passing. Nic ----- Original Message ----- From: Relay To: Looper's Delight Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Inhuman(e) music--"Experimental"? When I press the panic button on my Ztar, it makes the EDPs lock up and makes my current module, the SC-880 create the sound of a brass band being instantly and rapidly escorted down several flights of stairs. I wonder if that makes me the sort of artist they are looking for . . . Did I mention that it's a double neck with rainbow metal flake finish? Come see me in Santa Cruz if you think ahm lahin' . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of "experimental" > Stuff that doesn't sound like human music." LOL, talk about a gengre decription!!! ;-D Per boysen ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C363E7.CFAAFA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
Dogs ARE experimental! Pink Floyd = used a=20 bunch of them on a record once. No looping though, just plain  live = dogs.

Best wishes

Per=20 Boysen
-------------
www.boysen.se
www.looproom.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Nic Roozeboom = [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, = 2003 11:19=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Inhuman(e) music--"Experimental"?

> Stuff that doesn't sound like human music."

By this=20 definition, my neighbor's dog is very 'experimental'. I'll be sure to = mention=20 it to them in passing.
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Relay
To: Looper's = Delight=20
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 = 1:10=20 PM
Subject: Inhuman(e)=20 music--"Experimental"?

When I press the panic button on my Ztar, it makes = the EDPs=20 lock up and
makes my current module, the SC-880 create the sound = of a=20 brass band being
instantly and rapidly escorted down several = flights of=20 stairs.
I wonder if that makes me the sort of artist they are = looking for=20 . . .
Did I mention that it's a double neck with rainbow metal = flake=20 finish?
Come see me in Santa Cruz if you think ahm lahin' . .=20 .
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Per Boysen=20 [mailto:per@boysen.se]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:49 = AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of=20 "experimental"


> Stuff that doesn't sound like human=20 music."

LOL, talk about a gengre decription!!!  = ;-D

Per=20 boysen

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C363E7.CFAAFA70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 05:17:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G9Gpi16783; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.f49713d.2c6f507d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:16:45 EDT Subject: future loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a question. What features would you like to see in a looper? Think bizarre eg 1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded played back at normal speed and half speed at the same time 2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my overdubs playing backwards. be imaginative the ideas have to come before the reality andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 05:42:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7G9fW518437; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:41:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:41:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: future loopers Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:41:27 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000001c363da$90904460$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1d0.f49713d.2c6f507d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Here's a question. > What features would you like to see in a looper? Hi Andy, Interesting thread! Seriously. > 1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded played back at > normal speed and half speed at the same time I tried to do exactly this once by programming my FCB to send multiple commands to the EDP and the Repeater. My wish was to start off a live set by this and get directly into something cooking without being too "wish-washy" (see that Kim? ;-) but it did not work because the Repeater could not record in sync when set to "midi sync" and not receiving any midi clock (the EDP starts sending out midi clock at the end of the first loop). But you could do it with your two EDP's ;-) > 2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my overdubs > playing backwards. Hmmmm.... What do you mean with "just my overdubs". Only the last one? That would indeed be a very useful feature of the EDP! I have missed it a lot, actually. But a feature like that would have to use a multi track concept. Like if the Repeater should let you reverse only one of its four tracks. Would be great for solo looping musicians! If there was a two track (stereo) EDP I would prefere to use both tracks in mono with the ability to reverse one of them, rather than creating stereo loops. Makes so much more sense, musically, IMHO. Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 06:14:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GADI219891; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015d01c363df$0a7fa460$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: Delicious Chicken--Cooked by Hand or MIDI? Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:13:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary! Nice gauntlet you're throwing down here... hand cooked chicken indeed! In the past I was very much into controlling all my fx params and edp with midi extensively, had a GCX Expander for inserting various fx, and for the most part enjoyed it very much. I just got tired of my half-assed remote programmer for my PMC-10 and hauling around a 10sp rack, pedalboard, midi pedal controller etc. The main thing that has led me to abandon it for the time being is the belief that "control" really isn't my top priority, despite it's attractive pragmatic implications, and a commitment to getting out on a limb as frequently as possible. I've made surprise my top priority. (For me, not the audience.) Being out of control keeps things fresh (and a bit scary) for me. I'll probably slowly swing back towards some edp midi control, but for the last few years, I've really enjoyed just running about with all floor stuff and no rack, or minimal rack. Abandon, surprises, real-time interaction and ingenious simplicity are my main buzzwords. Removing programming distractions which require a lot of advance planning has made my experience more in-the-moment. I still have my pile of fuzzes, a few delays, edp, modulation toys etc. but they're pretty handily placed on a single pedal board (excepting my dl4 vortex and edp). It's pretty intesting how synched you can sound by retriggering the looper on the downbeats if you have to. l been done struck simple! -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:16 AM Subject: Delicious Chicken--Cooked by Hand or MIDI? > Hey Mike, you've seen me--I'm no glitch boy--I'm a folk looper. It's just > that audio control is what we talking about, and if you are playing using > your hands, you need to use your feet. MIDI provides an elegant way to > customize that control. > And I too use mostly the "record a track and solo" paradigm. But what about > endings? > More comments? Still wearing asbestos party hat -- > Charbroiled Gary > > Gary Lehmann > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:02 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Alesis INEKO and a MIDI throwdown > > > In a message dated 8/15/03 12:48:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > > > > Oh, just for emphasis, I'd like to > say--chicken? > > > > just because there are electric knives does not mean i'm going to use one to > cut my chicken.....but then perhaps i do not consider my self an "electronic > musician".....i feel that i am more of a "folk luddite > loopist".....:).....michael > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 08:37:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GCaEc28150; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c363f2$d2979210$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030815184640.036d5ff8@loopers-delight.com> <3F3DAA05.4366198E@erols.com> Subject: Re: MIDI commands sent by drum machine to EDP Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:35:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com john to make those things easyer I've made an excel sheet that allows you to grasp all those edp messages soo much easyer than from a paper find it here http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html under Midi command spreadsheet Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 10:34:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GEXMw04752; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Audio Pad Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:33:17 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001201c36403$55707a20$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c363da$90904460$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <7iFRv.A.IKB.yCkP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Not a looper but some interesting controller interface: http://web.media.mit.edu/~jpatten/audiopad/ Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 11:30:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GFTUn10018; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:29:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:29:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:29:25 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP loop technique question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308160848.h7G8moZ15071@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <6B452CA6-CFFE-11D7-9D33-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, you couldn't do exactly what you're describing below with just one EDP, particularly if you're looking to do it as a seamless performance. With the way the EDP stores overdubs or "layers", you can't get rid of earlier stuff and leave the later stuff (via Undo or clever copying of loops and switching between them to simulate muting on mixing desk). You could do something like this: With number of loops set to 4 Record the instrumental section in loop 1. Copy loop 1 to loop 2, overdub the vocal part Turn off the copy sound parameter for loop copy, go to loop 3 and re-record all the vocals, sans guide track. Overdub new parts on that vocal loop (on loop 3, or copy the vocals to loop 4 and overdub on that so you maintain a clean version of the vocals to return to later), then switch between the four loops for the effect you've described. However, this wouldn't allow you to do it as a seamless performance, and I think that's what you're trying for. With just one EDP you're limited to a "linear" form of loop construction: you can build things up, remove subsequent layers, or wipe everything, but you can't erase earlier stuff without touching later stuff except in a limited manner via feedback. Turning down the feedback does this in a gradual manner, but it would probably be sort of clumsy for the scenario you've described. My personal unimplemented EDP feature is "feedback tap", so you can set the number of repeats to precisely 2, or 3 or 4, but each at 100%. Previous layers wouldn't get quieter and vanish, they'd stay at full level and then totally disappear when they expired. TravisH On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 01:48 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: John Mazzarella > Date: Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:12:02 PM US/Pacific > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: EDP loop technique question > > > Hi All, > Here is a question for you. I use an EDP. I've seen Howie Day do > this thing where he builds up an intrumental loop on his guitar with > one > looper, and then builds up a vocal loop on a seperate looper. He then > has the ability to turn one loop off while the other plays. I'd like > to > be able to do this, but I'm not sure if it can be done with just one > EDP. > Here is what I'd like to do. Build up an intrumental loop of some > sort. Then add vocals on top of it, with vocal harmonies and the whole > things. Then I'd like to drop the intrumental part out of it and just > hear the vocals. I'd then like to play some new stuff on my guitar > underneath the vocals. Any strategies for doing this with one EDP? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 12:36:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GGXtc15474; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:33:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:33:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Subject: RE: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of "experimental" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:32:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C363F2.841C0490" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030815220139.19890.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C363F2.841C0490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoops, this is just a touch late, have you tried talking to Iona, they're located in Arlington, VA? Kind of a weird response to read that Orion turned you down, usually they have a fairly eclectic list of people playing at their location. Depending upon the size of the venue, you may even want to check out State Theatre in Falls Church. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of "experimental" I've only been to Red Room once, but the impression I got from that one visit, plus last year's Sonic Circuits electronic music festival (which had some of the same people) was that they were into the same kind of "academic experimental" (Richard, don't bother asking, you are in a better position to explain THAT :) :) :)) music as what I heard at UCSD and Spruce Street Forum. Their comments to you sound very much along the lines of Derek Bailey's thoughts on non-idiomatic vs. idiomatic improv in his book. Paolo Andre LaFosse wrote: Paolo said, > The people who invited me for their jam sessions are here: > http://www.redroom.org. Perhaps they have their own definition. Indeed they do! About a year ago, there was (very) loose talk about the Walker/Lawson/LaFosse trio trying to play some East Coast dates. One Maryland venue which I contacted (Orion Sound Studios, who said they generally didn't book "experimental/improv" music) referred me to the Red Room. I emailed them with an inquiry, and their booker replied thusly: "Dear Andre, Sorry, listened to your stuff and it is not our kind of thing. We are focused on more extremely experimental (ie. non-iomatic) kinds of stuff. Stuff that doesn't sound like human music." The ironic thing is that I think Rick Walker's solo set would have been perfect for the Red Room, and Steve Lawson woul! d have fit right in with the more proggish slant of Orion... :() Ah well, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C363F2.841C0490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whoops, this is just a touch late, have you tried talking to = Iona,=20 they're located in Arlington, VA?
Kind=20 of a weird response to read that Orion turned you down, usually they = have a=20 fairly eclectic list of people playing at their location.  = Depending upon=20 the size of the venue, you may even want to check out State Theatre in = Falls=20 Church.
 
 
Lee
-----Original Message-----
From: Paolo Valladolid=20 [mailto:paolovalladolid@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, = 2003=20 6:02 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Paolo's venue gives their own definition of=20 "experimental"

I've only been to Red Room once, but the impression I got from = that one=20 visit, plus last year's Sonic Circuits electronic music festival = (which had=20 some of the same people) was that they were into the same kind of = "academic=20 experimental" (Richard, don't bother asking, you are in a better = position=20 to explain THAT :) :) :)) music as what I heard at UCSD and Spruce = Street=20 Forum.  Their comments to you sound very much along the lines of = Derek=20 Bailey's thoughts on non-idiomatic vs. idiomatic improv in his = book. =20
 
Paolo

Andre LaFosse = <altruist@earthlink.net>=20 wrote:
Paolo=20 said,

> The people who invited me for their jam sessions = are here:=20
> http://www.redroom.org. Perhaps they have their own=20 definition.

Indeed they do!

About a year ago, there = was (very)=20 loose talk about the
Walker/Lawson/LaFosse trio trying to play = some East=20 Coast dates. One
Maryland venue which I contacted (Orion Sound = Studios,=20 who said they
generally didn't book "experimental/improv" music) = referred=20 me to the
Red Room. I emailed them with an inquiry, and their = booker=20 replied thusly:

"Dear Andre,

Sorry, listened to your = stuff and=20 it is not our kind of thing. We are
focused on more extremely=20 experimental (ie. non-iomatic) kinds of stuff.
Stuff that = doesn't sound=20 like human music."

The ironic thing is that I think Rick = Walker's=20 solo set would have been
perfect for the Red Room, and Steve = Lawson woul!=20 d have fit right in with
the more proggish slant of Orion...=20 :()

Ah well,

--Andre=20 LaFosse
http://www.altruistmusic.com

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Yahoo!=20 SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design=20 software ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C363F2.841C0490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 12:40:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GGbx915927; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:37:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1d0.f49713d.2c6f507d@aol.com> References: <1d0.f49713d.2c6f507d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:31:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: future loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2gl4i.A.t4D.n3lP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:16 AM -0400 8/16/03, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded played back at > normal speed and half speed at the same time > >2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my overdubs > playing backwards. One can do these sorts of things with an Eventide DSP4000 or Orville. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 12:58:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GGv9d17706; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:57:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:57:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030816165703.4497.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: trade: switchblade 8B for GL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1992171479-1061053023=:3458" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1992171479-1061053023=:3458 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i've got an 8B and i need more outputs, so if anybody has a GL and would like to trade (plus cash, of course) let me know. -jim jimfowler@prodigy.net --0-1992171479-1061053023=:3458 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
i've got an 8B and i need more outputs, so if anybody has a GL and would like to trade (plus cash, of course) let me know.
 
-jim
 
--0-1992171479-1061053023=:3458-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 13:20:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GHHA919401; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:17:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001c3634f$84578400$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20030815160413.81976.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> <002001c3634f$84578400$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:10:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Definining Experimental Music Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1151068266==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <7UAeMB.A.AvE.WcmP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1151068266==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:06 PM -0400 8/15/03, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Oh help! I feel a semant-a-thon in the making... >much of what is termed "experimental" in music and other forms lacks a >stated goal or aim, and so really is not consciously experimenting with >anything really. I think the quotation marks speak volumes. Many people use the word "experimental" because they lack the knowledge or the inclination to understand and describe something further. "Experimental" is in such cases often used to mean "difficult" or "inscrutable." I think this is just lazy. >Experimental music is whatever you think is experimental for you What the hell does that mean? Michael Nyman's excellent book notwithstanding, I think the term "experimental music" should be banished from most civilized discourse, with the possible exception on cases in which it actually means something. I'm inclined to reserve the term for describing music in which the performance (or the in-studio creative process) is and experiment (as described by David Kirkdorffer). I'd call a lot of John Cage's work of the 1960-70s as experimental because he was trying out a variety of generative methods in order to hear musics that he wouldn't have thought of otherwise. However, once such methodologies have become a composer's standard practice they lose most of their experimental quality. Edgard Varese famously said, "I do not write experimental music. My experimenting is done before I make the music. Afterwards it is the listener who must experiment." Rather than "experimental music" I've begun to favor the term "non-pop" (thanks to Dennis Bathory-Kitsz). Here's a pertinent article: http://beepsnort.org/archives/000034.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1151068266==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Definining Experimental Music
At 1:06 PM -0400 8/15/03, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

Oh help!  I feel a semant-a-thon in the making...


much of what is termed "experimental" in music and other forms lacks a
stated goal or aim, and so really is not consciously experimenting with
anything really.

I think the quotation marks speak volumes. Many people use the word "experimental" because they lack the knowledge or the inclination to understand and describe something further. "Experimental" is in such cases often used to mean "difficult" or "inscrutable." I think this is just lazy.

Experimental music is whatever you think is experimental for you

What the hell does that mean?


Michael Nyman's excellent book notwithstanding, I think the term "experimental music" should be banished from most civilized discourse, with the possible exception on cases in which it actually means something. I'm inclined to reserve the term for describing music in which the performance (or the in-studio creative process) is and experiment (as described by David Kirkdorffer). I'd call a lot of John Cage's work of the 1960-70s as experimental because he was trying out a variety of generative methods in order to hear musics that he wouldn't have thought of otherwise. However, once such methodologies have become  a composer's standard practice they lose most of their experimental quality.

Edgard Varese famously said, "I do not write experimental music. My experimenting is done before I make the music. Afterwards it is the listener who must experiment."

Rather than "experimental music" I've begun to favor the term "non-pop" (thanks to Dennis Bathory-Kitsz).

Here's a pertinent article:

http://beepsnort.org/archives/000034.html


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--============_-1151068266==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 14:51:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GInEW27997; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:49:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:49:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.177.152] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop technique question Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:49:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2003 18:49:07.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[12D3D300:01C36427] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi All, > Here is a question for you. I use an EDP. I've seen Howie Day do >this thing where he builds up an intrumental loop on his guitar with one >looper, and then builds up a vocal loop on a seperate looper. He then >has the ability to turn one loop off while the other plays. I'd like to >be able to do this, but I'm not sure if it can be done with just one >EDP. ------------------------------------- as you probably know Howie day uses two independent DL4s for his loops. Im doing similar stuff to a similar end using a Loopstation and one DL4 , but if,as Im guessing, we're looking for the same thing........the ability to record all the vocal loops,instrument loops ect in one box then have bits drop out, I've found that the best thing for me is the DIGITECH GNX3 its a floor unit with all the FX models and whizz bang stuff, but what i am buying it for is the 8 tracks of looping possibilitys and integrated mic level input. what i will be able to do with it is consruct the soundscape on various layers (from the 8 track recording studio) then add vocals on another layer, then when the time is right in the song drop out a key element such as the rythm part or bass or indeed.......vocals. i hope this isnt all coming out too garbled, ive been on my feet all day and need a sleep,but i just had to post this cos i feel the GNX is idea for this aplication good looping Phill _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 16:03:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GK2wh01693; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:02:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:02:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.161.132] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <1d0.f49713d.2c6f507d@aol.com> Subject: Re: future loopers Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:02:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C363F6.AD069420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:02:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2003 20:02:49.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E635890:01C36431] Resent-Message-ID: <0HbsY.A.Ra.y3oP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C363F6.AD069420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the = 'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time paradigm, = but used more as a logical entity). The subloops would have an arbitrary = repetition time. This eliminates the restriction of one repetition period per loop (as = dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices currently may have this = differently, don't know about the EDP e.g. Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure = (bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would enable = the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of loops that = are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm. = E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop element (within = that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also the added value over = having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop thing, other than cost). The polyrhythm in the Repeater is a gross misnomer. It is merely the = assignability of arbitrary (odd, prime, whatever) meter to what's = already in the fixed-length loop. I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch = shift *during* record? Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SoundFNR@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: future loopers Here's a question. What features would you like to see in a looper? Think bizarre eg 1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded played back at normal speed and half speed at the same time 2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my overdubs playing backwards. be imaginative the ideas have to come before the reality andy butler ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C363F6.AD069420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the = 'loop'=20 (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time paradigm, but = used more=20 as a logical entity). The subloops would have an arbitrary repetition=20 time.
 
This eliminates the restriction of one repetition period per loop = (as=20 dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices currently may have this = differently, don't know about the EDP e.g.
 
Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure = (bar/beat=20 numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would enable the = buildup,=20 superimposition and individual manipulation of loops that are a defined = ratio of=20 time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm. E.g., my first loop element = is a=20 12/8 but my next loop element (within that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW = herein=20 lies also the added value over having separate loopers doing the = multiple-loop=20 thing, other than cost).
 
The polyrhythm in the Repeater is a gross misnomer. It is merely = the=20 assignability of arbitrary (odd, prime, whatever) meter to what's = already in the=20 fixed-length loop.
 
I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) = pitch shift=20 *during* record?
 
Nic
 
----- Original Message -----
From: SoundFNR@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 = 2:16=20 AM
Subject: future loopers

Here's a question.

What features would you like = to see=20 in a looper?

Think bizarre

eg
1) I want to hear the = loop I=20 just recorded played back at
   normal speed and half = speed at=20 the same time

2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my=20 overdubs
     playing backwards.

be=20 imaginative

the ideas have to come before the = reality

andy=20 butler

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C363F6.AD069420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 16:08:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GK7tn02318; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:07:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:07:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <030701c364c8$3497b460$06a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <18e.1e7132e8.2c6e8365@aol.com> Subject: Re: Ooooops, that was a mess. Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:48:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of, is the emusic thing sent through LD? if not, i want off NOW! yes to looper's delight. no the emusic playlists. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 16:15:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GKFFd03083; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Ooooops, that was a mess. Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:15:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c36433$182d0860$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <030701c364c8$3497b460$06a44a43@g0wn7> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah and what about that annoying loop loop loop open open open loop loop guy -- I get two e-mails from him - one through LD and the other as if I was directly subscribed to his list which causes me to believe he ripped the list of e-mails off of LD for his own personal use. -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ooooops, that was a mess. speaking of, is the emusic thing sent through LD? if not, i want off NOW! yes to looper's delight. no the emusic playlists. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 16:39:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GKcKh05085; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1d0.f49713d.2c6f507d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:35:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: future loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:02 PM -0700 8/16/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the >'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time >paradigm, but used more as a logical entity). The subloops would >have an arbitrary repetition time. I build a simple four-track looper in my Orville. It's delay-based so it lacks a lot of fancy manipulation features, but it does offer the chance to have four loops of different lengths synchronized to a common time base. I similar algorithm could be easily programmed without the common time base, so that the loops could be in completely arbitrary relationships. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 17:23:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GLN5W09042; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:23:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:23:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:23:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Definining Experimental Music Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--990066296 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-16--990066296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I thought the experimental part of experimental music was to see how=20 much of the public you could alienate and disgust with your music. You=20= know, like Frankenstein's experiments with stitching body parts=20 together gets hordes of villagers to chase him down with flaming=20 torches. I've done really well so far. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 10:10 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 1:06 PM -0400 8/15/03, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Oh help!=A0 I feel a semant-a-thon in the making... > > > > much of what is termed "experimental" in music and other forms lacks a > stated goal or aim, and so really is not consciously experimenting = with > anything really. > > > I think the quotation marks speak volumes. Many people use the word=20 > "experimental" because they lack the knowledge or the inclination to=20= > understand and describe something further. "Experimental" is in such=20= > cases often used to mean "difficult" or "inscrutable." I think this is=20= > just lazy. > > Experimental music is whatever you think is experimental for you > > > What the hell does that mean? > > > Michael Nyman's excellent book notwithstanding, I think the term=20 > "experimental music" should be banished from most civilized discourse,=20= > with the possible exception on cases in which it actually means=20 > something. I'm inclined to reserve the term for describing music in=20 > which the performance (or the in-studio creative process) is and=20 > experiment (as described by David Kirkdorffer). I'd call a lot of John=20= > Cage's work of the 1960-70s as experimental because he was trying out=20= > a variety of generative methods in order to hear musics that he=20 > wouldn't have thought of otherwise. However, once such methodologies=20= > have become=A0 a composer's standard practice they lose most of their=20= > experimental quality. > > Edgard Varese famously said, "I do not write experimental music. My=20 > experimenting is done before I make the music. Afterwards it is the=20 > listener who must experiment." > > Rather than "experimental music" I've begun to favor the term=20 > "non-pop" (thanks to Dennis Bathory-Kitsz). > > Here's a pertinent article: > > http://beepsnort.org/archives/000034.html > > > --=20 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > (818) 788-2202=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com --Apple-Mail-16--990066296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I thought the experimental part of experimental music was to see how much of the public you could alienate and disgust with your music.=20 You know, like Frankenstein's experiments with stitching body parts together gets hordes of villagers to chase him down with flaming torches. I've done really well so far. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 10:10 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: At 1:06 PM -0400 8/15/03, David Kirkdorffer wrote: Oh help!=A0 I feel a semant-a-thon in the = making... much of what is termed "experimental" in music and other forms lacks a stated goal or aim, and so really is not consciously experimenting with anything really. I think the quotation marks speak volumes. Many people use the word "experimental" because they lack the knowledge or the inclination to understand and describe something further. "Experimental" is in such cases often used to mean "difficult" or "inscrutable." I think this is just lazy. Experimental music is whatever you think is experimental for you What the hell does that mean? Michael Nyman's excellent book notwithstanding, I think the term "experimental music" should be banished from most civilized discourse, with the possible exception on cases in which it actually means something. I'm inclined to reserve the term for describing music in which the performance (or the in-studio creative process) is and experiment (as described by David Kirkdorffer). I'd call a lot of John Cage's work of the 1960-70s as experimental because he was trying out a variety of generative methods in order to hear musics that he wouldn't have thought of otherwise. However, once such methodologies have become=A0 a composer's standard practice they lose most of their experimental quality. Edgard Varese famously said, "I do not write experimental music. My experimenting is done before I make the music. Afterwards it is the listener who must experiment." Rather than "experimental music" I've begun to favor the term "non-pop" (thanks to Dennis Bathory-Kitsz). Here's a pertinent article: = http://beepsnort.org/archives/000034.html --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (818) 788-2202=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com = --Apple-Mail-16--990066296-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 17:26:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GLPrA09450; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:25:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:25:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:26:04 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP loop technique question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3DA751C0-D030-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do this with a Repeater, but you get 4 tracks per loop. (99 loops max) Another good thing about the Repeater is with the 11 ms latency it makes my speakers seem like they're a few feet farther away from me and I have a small apt so it's like having an addition to my studio. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 11:49 AM, lol c wrote: > >> Hi All, >> Here is a question for you. I use an EDP. I've seen Howie Day do >> this thing where he builds up an intrumental loop on his guitar with >> one >> looper, and then builds up a vocal loop on a seperate looper. He then >> has the ability to turn one loop off while the other plays. I'd like >> to >> be able to do this, but I'm not sure if it can be done with just one >> EDP. > ------------------------------------- > > as you probably know Howie day uses two independent DL4s for his > loops. Im doing similar stuff to a similar end using a Loopstation and > one DL4 , but if,as Im guessing, we're looking for the same > thing........the ability to record all the vocal loops,instrument > loops ect in one box then have bits drop out, I've found that the best > thing for me is the DIGITECH GNX3 its a floor unit with all the FX > models and whizz bang stuff, but what i am buying it for is the 8 > tracks of looping possibilitys and integrated mic level input. > > what i will be able to do with it is consruct the soundscape on > various layers (from the 8 track recording studio) then add vocals on > another layer, then when the time is right in the song drop out a key > element such as the rythm part or bass or indeed.......vocals. > > i hope this isnt all coming out too garbled, ive been on my feet all > day and need a sleep,but i just had to post this cos i feel the GNX is > idea for this aplication > > > good looping > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 17:37:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GLaf410449; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:36:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:36:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:36:52 -0700 Subject: Re: future loopers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18--989249743 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-18--989249743 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > The polyrhythm in the Repeater is a gross misnomer. It is merely the > assignability of arbitrary (odd, prime, whatever) meter to what's > already in the fixed-length loop. I think what Electrix was getting at with the ability to assign any time signature to the Repeater was that you could assign a 7/4 loop to a 4/4 sequence that are tied to each other with a MIDI clock. I've done this with much success. Would be nice if each track would have an arbitrary loop length though. Mark Sottilaro --Apple-Mail-18--989249743 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: The polyrhythm in the Repeater is a gross misnomer. It is merely the assignability of arbitrary (odd, prime, whatever) meter to what's already in the fixed-length loop. I think what Electrix was getting at with the ability to assign any time signature to the Repeater was that you could assign a 7/4 loop to a 4/4 sequence that are tied to each other with a MIDI clock. I've done this with much success. Would be nice if each track would have an arbitrary loop length though. Mark Sottilaro --Apple-Mail-18--989249743-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 19:05:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GN4wW18395; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:04:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:04:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001c3634f$84578400$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20030815160413.81976.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> <002001c3634f$84578400$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:04:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Definining Experimental Music -- was: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and Chaste) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6XXBgC.A.UfE.airP_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, my dictionary has two entries for experimental. The first is like David's "Pedantic View". The second is "To try something new, especially in order to gain experience." Like a synonym for exploratory, and a pretty good answer to Zvonar's question about David's "Punter View". I am hazarding a guess that the second definition is generally preferred by musicians touting their wares, while self-effacing peers and dissatisfied critics get even by invoking the first. Of course, there are scientific symphonies and market-researched pop songs, so Not Always but Often. Whether it's conscious or intuitive, exploration is risky for the audience. (It's risky for the performers too, but they get hold on to the steering wheel.) Some listeners like the gamble and the thrills, that's cool. But it seems pretty common to expect that a performer will take you somewhere they've been before, and if they're good they make you feel like it's new to you, and if they're really good make it seem like it's new to them too. Like magic! But like magic, how much sleight of hand is involved is an insider's secret and should be kept that way. David Abrams has some nice things to say about this, I think. Maybe it partially explains how "experimental music" became an inside joke-- the label just gives it away right from the start? Or is it the other way around, and we're here defending our vital need for obfuscation? Never meta Semant-o-thon I didn't like :-) but it's 4:04 and I'm Not Found... -Alex S. At 1:06 PM -0400 8/15/03, David wrote: >Richard Zvonar, PhD writes.... > >>> What is "experimental music"? > >Oh help! I feel a semant-a-thon in the making... :-) my $0.02 follow...in >Two Parts. > >1) The Pedantic View >So much "experimental music" lacks a defined goal or stated aim. To explain >what I mean, perhaps it can be useful to paraphrase the steps used in a >research experiment. An experiment involves the following steps: doing >research, identifying the problem, stating a hypothesis, conducting project >experimentation, and reaching a conclusion. > >- Research = the process of collecting information from experiences, >knowledgeable sources, and data from exploratory experiments. > >- Problem = the musical question to be solved or examined. > >- Hypothesis = an idea about the musical question, based on knowledge and >research. > >- Project Experimentation = the process of testing a hypothesis. Things >effecting the experiment are called variables. There are three kinds of >variables to identify in an experiments: independent, dependent, and >controlled. > >- Project Conclusion = the project conclusion is a summary of the results of >the project experimentation and a statement of how the results relate to the >hypothesis. Reasons for experimental results contrary to the hypothesis are >included. If applicable, the conclusion can end by giving ideas for further >testing. > >I have many conceptual artist friends who go through this process for their >sculptural installations. To them, this is part of what makes their work >meaningful, and not purely random and haphazard entities. > >OK -- JUST TO BE CLEAR -- music, like any art form, is related to my people >on an emotional level, and so nice tidy descriptions of experiments will >never seem appropriate or adequate. Random organization and haphazard >groupings of sounds can have deeply moving effects, to be sure. But, so >much of what is termed "experimental" in music and other forms lacks a >stated goal or aim, and so really is not consciously experimenting with >anything really. > >2) The Punter View >Experimental music is whatever you think is experimental for you -- one >man's noodling is another man's new found insight. > >OK. Now I'm reaching for my popcorn... > >David Kirkdorffer > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Zvonar" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:23 PM >Subject: RE: Dangerous (learning) curves (was Fast & Trashy, Slow and >Chaste) > > >> At 9:04 AM -0700 8/15/03, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> >> >Common criticisms of experimental music... >> >> What is "experimental music"? >> >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://RZCybernetics.com >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 19:20:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GNJMv19707; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:19:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:19:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1d0.f49713d.2c6f507d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:19:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: future loopers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1151046542==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1151046542==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" How about being able to modify the feedback settings fifty layers back, so you could perform acts of loop archaeology with a photoshop-like History Pedal? Seriously, memory is cheap and people wonder about what to do with six minutes of delay. Divide it up with 100 delay taps spaced 3.6 seconds apart, and set the tap levels in a nice gradual descent to zero. Sounds just like a certain kind of looping, except there's really no feedback happening. Then map a controller to make a 'bump' in a dozen of the tap levels and sweep it around: sounds like infinite, gradual Undo... I will resist further comments about my vaporware and go home and get back to work on it. -Alex S. At 1:02 PM -0700 8/16/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the >'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time >paradigm, but used more as a logical entity). The subloops would >have an arbitrary repetition time. > >This eliminates the restriction of one repetition period per loop >(as dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices currently may >have this differently, don't know about the EDP e.g. > >Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure >(bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would >enable the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of >loops that are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true >polyrhythm. E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop >element (within that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also >the added value over having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop >thing, other than cost). > >The polyrhythm in the Repeater is a gross misnomer. It is merely the >assignability of arbitrary (odd, prime, whatever) meter to what's >already in the fixed-length loop. > >I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch >shift *during* record? > >Nic > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:16 AM >Subject: future loopers > >Here's a question. > >What features would you like to see in a looper? > >Think bizarre > >eg >1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded played back at > normal speed and half speed at the same time > >2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my overdubs > playing backwards. > >be imaginative > >the ideas have to come before the reality > >andy butler --============_-1151046542==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: future loopers
How about being able to modify the feedback settings fifty layers back, so you could perform acts of loop archaeology with a photoshop-like History Pedal?

Seriously, memory is cheap and people wonder about what to do with six minutes of delay. Divide it up with 100 delay taps spaced 3.6 seconds apart, and set the
tap levels in a nice gradual descent to zero. Sounds just like a certain kind of looping, except there's really no feedback happening. Then map a controller to make a 'bump' in a dozen of the tap levels and sweep it around: sounds like infinite, gradual Undo...

I will resist further comments about my vaporware and go home and get back to work on it.

-Alex S.


At 1:02 PM -0700 8/16/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the 'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time paradigm, but used more as a logical entity). The subloops would have an arbitrary repetition time.
 
This eliminates the restriction of one repetition period per loop (as dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices currently may have this differently, don't know about the EDP e.g.
 
Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure (bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would enable the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of loops that are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm. E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop element (within that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also the added value over having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop thing, other than cost).
 
The polyrhythm in the Repeater is a gross misnomer. It is merely the assignability of arbitrary (odd, prime, whatever) meter to what's already in the fixed-length loop.
 
I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch shift *during* record?
 
Nic
 
----- Original Message -----
From: SoundFNR@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:16 AM
Subject: future loopers

Here's a question.

What features would you like to see in a looper?

Think bizarre

eg
1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded played back at
   normal speed and half speed at the same time

2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my overdubs
     playing backwards.

be imaginative

the ideas have to come before the reality

andy butler

--============_-1151046542==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 19:44:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7GNhjf21571; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:43:41 -0700 Subject: Re: future loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <778DB3EF-D043-11D7-8383-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is kind of how the looper (POLAR) in Digital Performer works. If it had some sort of feedback control, it would be amazing. With a Gig and a half of memory, I could do magical things.... I wrote MOTU a while back and said, "Ya know..." and I was answered with, "Why not just use one of the delays if you want controllable feedback?" When I explained why the guy sounded genuinely amazed and excited and he agreed that it should work this way. Maybe in a future release? I implore all to write MOTU and ask for Feedback control on the POLAR module within Digital Performer. It would be a truly amazing software looper. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 04:19 PM, Alex Stahl wrote: > How about being able to modify the feedback settings fifty layers > back, so you could perform acts of loop archaeology with a > photoshop-like History Pedal? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 16 20:41:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7H0eDa26232; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:40:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030817004007.96338.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: cynics vs. clinics (re: Repeater pitch shift) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is there a listing somewhere of what materials are available to guide and assist new loopers (aka videotapes or clinics)? where can one find some helpful advice on the best (known) ways to work with the loopers to create interesting sounds? just curuios... evan > did do a short clinic at the last Loopfest in Santa > Cruz that I believe was > video taped, and I know at least one person was > filming my clinic at > Loopstock II, perhaps someone might come forward > (Hans, are you in the > house?) and for a few sheckles to cover expenses, > dub you a copy and send > it to you. I'll check with Rick, as well, to see who > filmed the Santa Cruz __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 03:07:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7H76RK28001; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:06:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:06:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:18:34 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 with Digitech FS-300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I picked up a used Boss RC-20 Loop Station today without a manual, and noticed the manual online (thanks Goddess) mentioned that an optional footswitch (also not included with my RC-20) can be used to switch the reverse function on or off, or the footswitch could be used to switch between the (up to) ten saved phrases. The stores being closed, I thought I'd try the Digitech FS-300 3-button footswitch I'd bought to use with my Electrix Repeater. I wanted to report the results: a) plugged into the Reverse socket, the FS-300 did switch between reverse and not-reverse, but only with the A and C buttons. The B button did nothing. b) plugged into the phrase shift socket, none of the three buttons on the FS-300 footswitch did anything. I searched the archives and didn't see a mention of this, I hope this isn't redundant. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 04:37:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7H8ZSF07365; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:35:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:35:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: cynics vs. clinics (re: Repeater pitch shift) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:35:22 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000901c3649a$7fa53320$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030817004007.96338.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Don't know about any video yet released but Andre LaFosse is up to one on the EDP, I've heard. There are a lot of informative texts on different looping techniques at his web site http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/index.html The Swedish Television is working on a documentary on live looping to be broadcasted in a month or two. I'll post in online then. They filmed some duo improvisations this summer with me and Matthias Grob and also did separate personal interviews. I had to speak in Swedish but Matthias did it all in English. But I guess this video will be more about the philosophy of improvisation than straight technical matters. >From the same tour I posted a bunch of sound clips with included "loopist notes" that refer to different looping techniques being performed by different musicians during a group improvisation. Looping devices used in the examples are the EDO, the Repeater and Reason (laptop). http://www.looproom.com/listening.php#tour2k3 Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:40 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: cynics vs. clinics (re: Repeater pitch shift) > > > is there a listing somewhere of what materials are > available to guide and assist new loopers (aka > videotapes or clinics)? where can one find some > helpful advice on the best (known) ways to work with > the loopers to create interesting sounds? > > just curuios... > evan > > > did do a short clinic at the last Loopfest in Santa > > Cruz that I believe was > > video taped, and I know at least one person was > > filming my clinic at > > Loopstock II, perhaps someone might come forward > > (Hans, are you in the > > house?) and for a few sheckles to cover expenses, > > dub you a copy and send > > it to you. I'll check with Rick, as well, to see who > > filmed the Santa Cruz > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design > software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 05:00:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7H8tWM09255; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4094CE.1A4459DD@club.lemonde.fr> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:56:47 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: experimental References: <200308162305.h7GN5sT18678@hemlock.violacea.com> <3F403AD6.8EDAF4F1@club.lemonde.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Edgard Varese famously said, "I do not write experimental music. My > experimenting is done > before I make the music. Afterwards it is the listener who > must experiment." " > Then it is indeed experimental music. > Ok we all know well how this term used for different purposes, may be > cornering you anyway. > But if one focuses on the nature of the relation, it require that you > experiment (translate a thought into action) and then so must the > listener. > So now we have double experimental music. Which sounds nice. > But then also, every music is wherever in it's life, experimental. > And we start with term of little meaning to end with a term with no > meanning at all. > Darn! > > Rather than "experimental music" I've begun to favor the term > "non-pop" (thanks to Dennis > Bathory-Kitsz). > I beg to differ... > I don't see how one can oppose it's ontological nature (experimental) > and it's audience (non-pop). > After all we all have good examples of music far more experimental in > popular music than some of poorly composed contemporary music of the > best highschools. > > Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 05:26:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7H9PGI11002; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:25:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:25:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4b.32916152.2c70a3f4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:25:08 EDT Subject: Re: future loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > 1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded played back at > > normal speed and half speed at the same time > > But you could do it with your two EDP's ;-) tricky though, not possible with my FCB1010 footcontroller it's easier to double speed and half speed:-) > > > 2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my overdubs > > playing backwards. > > Hmmmm.... What do you mean with "just my overdubs". Only the last one? one of Claude Voit's ideas, as I understand it you'd have a "Reverse Overdub" as an alternative to "Overdub"...so that each layer you overdubbed would be heard backwards, but the original loop could keep going forward if you wanted. >If there was a two track (stereo) EDP I would prefere to use both tracks >in mono with the ability to reverse one of them, rather than creating >stereo loops. Makes so much more sense, musically, IMHO. at the moment I'm trying to find techniques for "splitting" my stereo EDP loops, for instance it's easy to use the parameter reverse just on the slave EDP. (or put one of the EDPs into "edit mode" and use the Direct Midi commands on just one EDP.) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 05:32:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7H9Vtr11679; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:31:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.22af8226.2c70a582@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:31:46 EDT Subject: Re: future loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard says > One can do these sorts of things with an Eventide DSP4000 or Orville. ......but what would you like to do?? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 05:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7H9i6O12893; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:44:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:44:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <28.3c497c75.2c70a85e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:43:58 EDT Subject: Re: future loopers(nic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <9Gdeb.A.SJD.l50P_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the = > 'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time paradigm, = > but used more as a logical entity). The subloops would have an arbitrary = > repetition time. so you're thinking multitrack here? > This eliminates the restriction of one repetition period per loop (as = > dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices currently may have this = > differently, don't know about the EDP e.g. You want the ability to play loops of different lengths simultaneously then? > > Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure = > (bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would enable = > the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of loops that = > are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm. = > E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop element (within = > that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also the added value over = > having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop thing, other than cost). > > I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch = > shift *during* record? > > Nic Any suggestions you have would be interesting. No need to work out ideas, just imagine the sounds you'd like to make without bothering about whether it's practical andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 06:11:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HAAsa14946; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:10:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:10:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: future loopers Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:10:46 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000b01c364a7$d3979ab0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4b.32916152.2c70a3f4@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > > > > 1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded played back at > > > normal speed and half speed at the same time > > > > But you could do it with your two EDP's ;-) > > tricky though, > not possible with my FCB1010 footcontroller Oh yes, I forgot! The FCB1010 can only send out one midi note at a time, over one midi channel. And the EDP has to be controlled by midi not on - right? > > > 2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my overdubs > > > playing backwards. > > > > Hmmmm.... What do you mean with "just my overdubs". Only the last > > one? > > one of Claude Voit's ideas, as I understand it you'd have a > "Reverse Overdub" as an alternative to "Overdub"...so that > each layer you overdubbed would be heard backwards, but the > original loop could keep going forward if you wanted. Dammit - what a usable feature! Hope "Reverse Overdub" will make it into LoopV ;-) How about "Reverse Insert"? "Reverse Overdub" would be very useful for percussionists. I would like it also to be affected quantise and rounding settings. Then you could be able to overdub just one "reversed snare drum hit" (length defined by the 8th/cycle) in a longer loop. But then it would have to sort under the Insert and not the Overdub. > >If there was a two track (stereo) EDP I would prefer to use both > >tracks in mono with the ability to reverse one of them, rather than > >creating stereo loops. Makes so much more sense, musically, IMHO. > > at the moment I'm trying to find techniques for "splitting" > my stereo EDP loops, for instance it's easy to use the > parameter reverse just on the slave EDP. > (or put one of the EDPs into "edit mode" and use the Direct Midi > commands on just one EDP.) > > andy butler Wow! You sure got some nice ideas to play around with over there ;-) Can you post your findings? Matters like these are bouncing a lot inside my head these days, but I have only one EDP here so I can never try it out IRL. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 07:03:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HB1d621077; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:01:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:01:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c364ae$c14c5c40$fc62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308161720.h7GHK7C19830@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: future loopers Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:00:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar answered: "One can do these sorts of things with an Eventide DSP4000 or Orville." If one could afford one. I've been a relatively successful professional musican for 25 years and have never been able to get close to buying anything that Eventide puts out. It's a shame because there are so many creative ways one could use these truly amazing machines. Oh well................next lifetime, I suppose.......................... Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 07:16:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HBFar22588; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:15:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:15:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030817111530.89502.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:15:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 with Digitech FS-300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The RC-20 uses a regular mc switch with a mono cord for both jacks. (My reverse switch is actually a modified cheapo dictaphone switch, but a whole lot of different brands will work that cost much less than the FS-5U Boss recommends... I don't use a footswitch on the phrase shift, since I don't use the storage settings.) The FS-300, on the other hand, needs a stereo patch cord, so it's likely that in this application the jacks on the FS-300 phrase shift and RC-20 are incompatible. You might be able to use a two button footswitch to control both of them IF the pedal end terminates in two separate 1/4" plugs... -t- ps: another minor gripe about the RC-20 is that when the remote footswitch for the reverse function is already plugged in at powerup (like, as in, the way someone with a pedalboard would always leave it), the unit powers up in reverse mode; I'm not sure if this is also the case with the "legit" FS-5U, but... --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: re FS-300 (3 button) vs. FS-5U (1 button) & ilk __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 07:22:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HBLpH23060; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:21:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:21:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030817112144.44042.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: future loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c364a7$d3979ab0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sumbody wrote a while back: > > > > 1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded > played back at > > > > normal speed and half speed at the same > time I often do this, but with different gear: I run both my Headrush and RC-20 into a DL-4. If I have a loop playing into the DL-4 and re-sample then halfspeed it, I get both the original and half speed playing at the same time. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 08:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HC4XF25818; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:04:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: future loopers --> the software solution Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:04:27 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000e01c364b7$b55fc0d0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000b01c364a7$d3979ab0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First I'd like to state that the "future looper" of my dreams is a software based plug-in, AU and VST compatible. Speaking about features I think the EDP almost has it all (why don't you Aurisis people put out a SoftPlex? It would be a hit!). However in a software version a lot of cool things could be added, like interesting applications of pitch transposing and time stretching. Another goodie that comes with software is the ability to throw in many "history" functions. Not only, as in traditional loopers, a history of overdubbed layers, but also a history of just about any action the player performs. And think about how powerful a "bookmark" function would be! Simply kick the "bookmark button" whenever your looping sounds good to you and then you can step back later along that "favourite bookmarks history" if you want. "Bookmarks" here working as EDP loops when running the EDP with RAM divided into many loop slots. Step based I would also like to have the looper step based according to a chosen "grid" (16 steps for 4/4 or maybe 10 if you want to play in 5/4 with an 8 note resolution). The grid should be completely user definable, maybe even affected by "groove quantising" (like ReCycle or pHATmatic Pro running under Logic. With the ability to use, export/import, the same groove quantize maps as the host application uses for midi or audio). Kind of the way Loop IV now can divide a loop into segments according to the 8ths/cycle setting, but in my vision it should also be possible to use the steps/slices/segments for different filtering, re-pitching, reversing and just about every usual loop mangling technique. One application could be to drive a filter for "step sequenced dynamical filtering" of the loop (like the Step Filter in Cubse SX and others). You should also be able to save all grid/step sequencing parameters as "pre-sets", to be instantly recalled by midi commands. Just think about setting up bass lines and melodies by re-pitching different 32 note segments of the loop! Then you could start out with looping a drone and then kick in the preset for "funky sub dominant". Transpose short segments up/down one or two octaves. Or apply a simple "random segment shift" function to have the loop play back segments in a different order. Opens up a lot of interesting possibilities. When running the looper as a plug-in under a host application many traditional problems are instantly solved. Like for example "combining two loops of different lengths". You can achieve this by opening two instances of the SoftPlex on two different host tracks, controlled over two different midi channels. Record loop one, change track and record loop two - now to a different loop length (and maybe you like to apply a different grid to this second loop as well? Some chances for poly rhythmic fun here ;-). If you run a FCB1010 into a laptop with a host application (SX, Logic, Ableton...) you don't have to bother with the FCB inability to assign different midi channels to different banks. Use the same bank and have the host software change the incoming midi to the right channel. Many host programs give you the ability to "change active track" over midi as well. Just one final not on "latency". I don't see it as a problem if the players actions are implemented into the loop on the next loop round. Then the computer has enough time to compensate for hardware latency. You don't need "software monitoring" for a looper. This is not a complete "wish list", just a bunch of loose thoughts hacked out on a Sunday Afternoon Segment ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 10:08:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HE7dZ02614; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:07:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:07:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Eventide Orville... Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:11:38 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c364c9$7a170940$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear loopers, been following the discussion re: using an Eventide Orville despite the high price (or not using it because of the price), and have been thinking about this a bit: For my solo performances, I currently use (besides my instruments, which include some of a Yamaha SY85, a Korg Prophecy, a Roland MC-505, a Roland VBass, a Korg Wavestation EX, a Nord Micromodular and two mikes for the acoustic stuff) a 20HU rack containing a larger mixer and lots of different effects, plus a patchbay and a mastering processor. I wonder: could I just throw out all of the effects stuff (among them StudioQuad, Fireworx, Vortex, Repeater, D-Two, MAM RS3, TC Triple-C) and replace it with one Orville, then get a smaller mixer and mount the Orville, the smaller mixer and perhaps a mastering processor in a rack 4HU high, and then do all of my effects stuff (looping, filters, compression, reverbs, delays, pitch shifter, you name it) with the superb quality and flexibility of the Orville? I'd definitely loose some of the intuitive aspects and perhaps some flexibility, but, if I'd also add a MIDI controller like the doepfer pocket-C, drehbank et al, perhaps get a superior solution? If I sum up the cost for the equipment mentioned above, and what I could do with the Orville setup, and also important how it would save transport space and weight (hey, I even could transport the setup in my sports car then !), I already start to regret that I didn't go for the new Orville I've seen on ebay for €4444 recently... Any opinions? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 11:09:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HF8ip07697; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:08:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:08:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:08:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Eventide Orville... From: todd reynolds To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c364c9$7a170940$0601a8c0@SATAN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7HF8gW07671 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, i'd have to say this... The Orville is my main and only effects unit, only augmented by an Oberheim which I send to and return from... If you want to explore the Orville as your only effects device, the possibilities are endless, because it's such a huge machine with so much processing power. However, one needs to be quite a programmer to get everything out of it. I often wish I had Zvonar's chops to do so... It would also be nice if Eventide supported their products a little better, i.e. Porting vsig to the mac, even providing CABLES so that one could use vsig on virtual pc. But there seems to be no interest there. In fact, some of the employees who wrote interesting patches and were oh so willing to provide product support are no longer there after a restructuring toward software based lines. The fact is there are more people interested in software based operations these days, and I must say after lugging my SMALL rig, which is a pendulum audio preamp, an orville and an oberheim, I'm still much better off with a 17 inch powerbook, an mhlabs mobile I/O and an art tube preamp, running max/msp, live and reaktor. Many ways to skin a cat. The Orville is the best from a hardware perspective IMHO, but I firmly believe because of the price, there are less users and therefore high level only, and the software has therefore not undergone the type of beta testing and consumer beating that would render it the machine of all our dreams including ease of use. Thank goodness I have one partner out on this coast who knows the machine more intimately than myself and we ratchet each other up... I still wouldn't hand mine back for the world. I love tc and all the rest, but I've never heard such fidelity as I hear in this machine. Environment #32 is a reverb patch built out of 32 delays, which fills any room with the clouds of softness and sweetness which I had always wished for... All best, Todd On 8/17/03 10:11 AM, "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" wrote: > Dear loopers, > > been following the discussion re: using an Eventide Orville despite the high > price (or not using it because of the price), and have been thinking about > this a bit: > > For my solo performances, I currently use (besides my instruments, which > include some of a Yamaha SY85, a Korg Prophecy, a Roland MC-505, a Roland > VBass, a Korg Wavestation EX, a Nord Micromodular and two mikes for the > acoustic stuff) a 20HU rack containing a larger mixer and lots of different > effects, plus a patchbay and a mastering processor. > > I wonder: could I just throw out all of the effects stuff (among them > StudioQuad, Fireworx, Vortex, Repeater, D-Two, MAM RS3, TC Triple-C) and > replace it with one Orville, then get a smaller mixer and mount the Orville, > the smaller mixer and perhaps a mastering processor in a rack 4HU high, and > then do all of my effects stuff (looping, filters, compression, reverbs, > delays, pitch shifter, you name it) with the superb quality and flexibility > of the Orville? > > I'd definitely loose some of the intuitive aspects and perhaps some > flexibility, but, if I'd also add a MIDI controller like the doepfer > pocket-C, drehbank et al, perhaps get a superior solution? > > If I sum up the cost for the equipment mentioned above, and what I could do > with the Orville setup, and also important how it would save transport space > and weight (hey, I even could transport the setup in my sports car then !), > I already start to regret that I didn't go for the new Orville I've seen on > ebay for €4444 recently... > > Any opinions? > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 11:15:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HFF3a08360; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:15:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:27:13 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Boss RC-20 with Digitech FS-300 In-Reply-To: <20030817111530.89502.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wasn't certain the FS-300 would work with either the reverse or the phrase shift settings, but it was 2am and any stores that might carry a FS-5U switch were closed and while I didn't know if it'd work, I doubted trying would kill either the RC-20 or the FS-300. (Besides, I splurged yesterday and picked up a great condition Morley EVO-1 oilcan echo/volume pedal along with the used RC-20). Since the FS-300 worked for one of the functions I thought I'd share the partial success with the list. Thanks much for the other switch suggestions you make, by the way, I appreciate them. On the off chance it'd matter I tried substituting a mono cord for the Digitech stereo cord - unsurprisingly the use of a mono cord caused the FS-300 to fail to work in both reverse and patch shift for the RC-20. Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Tim Nelson wrote: > The RC-20 uses a regular mc switch with a mono cord > for both jacks. (My reverse switch is actually a > modified cheapo dictaphone switch, but a whole lot of > different brands will work that cost much less than > the FS-5U Boss recommends... I don't use a footswitch > on the phrase shift, since I don't use the storage > settings.) > > The FS-300, on the other hand, needs a stereo patch > cord, so it's likely that in this application the > jacks on the FS-300 phrase shift and RC-20 are > incompatible. > > You might be able to use a two button footswitch to > control both of them IF the pedal end terminates in > two separate 1/4" plugs... > > -t- > > ps: another minor gripe about the RC-20 is that when > the remote footswitch for the reverse function is > already plugged in at powerup (like, as in, the way > someone with a pedalboard would always leave it), the > unit powers up in reverse mode; I'm not sure if this > is also the case with the "legit" FS-5U, but... > > --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > re FS-300 (3 button) vs. FS-5U (1 button) & ilk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 11:20:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HFJjM08814; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:19:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:19:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F3F9FFD.11582339@erols.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:32:13 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 with Digitech FS-300 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com burnett@pobox.com wrote: > I picked up a used Boss RC-20 Loop Station today without a manual, and > noticed the manual online (thanks Goddess) mentioned that an optional > footswitch (also not included with my RC-20) can be used to switch the > reverse function on or off, or the footswitch could be used to switch > between the (up to) ten saved phrases. > > The stores being closed, I thought I'd try the Digitech FS-300 3-button > footswitch I'd bought to use with my Electrix Repeater. I wanted to > report the results: > > a) plugged into the Reverse socket, the FS-300 did switch between reverse > and not-reverse, but only with the A and C buttons. The B button did > nothing. > > b) plugged into the phrase shift socket, none of the three buttons on the > FS-300 footswitch did anything. > > I searched the archives and didn't see a mention of this, I hope this > isn't redundant. > > best, > Steve Burnett > Subscape Annex > http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Is the RC-20's mic input and XLR input? Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 11:40:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HFdSN10340; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:51:39 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Boss RC-20 with Digitech FS-300 In-Reply-To: <3F3F9FFD.11582339@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, John Mazzarella wrote: > Is the RC-20's mic input and XLR input? > > Thanks, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com The RC-20's mic input is a 1/4" mono input, no XLR. I scanned almost everything on the tools of the trade page on Loopers Delight for a pic of the back of the RC-20, and found one in the product data sheet PDF: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/RC20/RC20Info.pdf Oh, the link to the "Boss RC-20 Home Page" on the http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/RC20/boss-rc20.html is invalid thanks to Roland rearranging their site again since the page was set up. best, hope this helps, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 13:57:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HHv1k24422; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: MIDI commands sent by drum machine to EDP Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:56:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c364e8$e628f520$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002701c363f2$d2979210$0100a8c0@black> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried to use this in Excel 2002, but couldn't get the "analys32XLL" to install, even after removing all macro security. It doesn't appear in the Add On list. Any other tips to get this working? -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI commands sent by drum machine to EDP john to make those things easyer I've made an excel sheet that allows you to grasp all those edp messages soo much easyer than from a paper find it here http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html under Midi command spreadsheet Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 14:23:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HIMu026946; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:22:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:22:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <78.45a09deb.2c7121f3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:22:43 EDT Subject: Re: future loopers(nic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.45a09deb.2c7121f3_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_78.45a09deb.2c7121f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/17/03 2:44:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SoundFNR@aol.com writes: > You want the ability to play loops of different lengths simultaneously > then? > > > > > Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure = > > (bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would enable = > > the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of loops that = > > are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm. = > > E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop element (within = > > that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also the added value over = > > having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop thing, other than cost). > > > > I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch = > > shift *during* record? > > > > Nic > > Any suggestions you have would be interesting. > No need to work out ideas, just imagine the sounds > you'd like to make without bothering about whether > it's practical > > andy butler > > This kind of thinking is pretty much exactly along the road that led me to abandon the simple audio-lag-generator (dual tape recorder thingie) approach in favor of midi sequencer loops. I can have any number of different length loops happening, with different logical structures, done as layers in the larger construction of the composition. Of course, it's not Live Looping (tm), but for the moment that I create each layer, it is a spontaneous expression. Since I tend to be a studio act and haven't inflated my Balls (tm) enough to get up in front of an audience yet to do my thing, this is cool for now. Hopefully some mutation of this approach with the Live Looping (tm) approach, plus a huge supply of viagra from those friendly email folks who won't go away is in my near future. Tim the loopin' eunuch --part1_78.45a09deb.2c7121f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/17/03 2:44:11 AM Pacific Daylight= Time, SoundFNR@aol.com writes:

You want the ability to play lo= ops of different lengths simultaneously then?

>
> Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure =3D
> (bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would enable=20= =3D
> the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of loops that=20= =3D
> are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm.=20= =3D
> E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop element (within=20= =3D
> that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also the added value ove= r =3D
> having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop thing, other than cost)= .
>
> I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch=20= =3D
> shift *during* record?
>
> Nic

Any suggestions you have would be interesting.
No need to work out ideas, just imagine the sounds
you'd like to make without bothering about whether
it's practical

andy butler



This kind of thinking is pretty much exactly along the road that led me to a= bandon the simple audio-lag-generator  (dual tape recorder thingie) app= roach in favor of midi sequencer loops. I can have any number of different l= ength loops happening, with different logical structures, done as layers in=20= the larger construction of the composition. Of course, it's not Live Looping= (tm), but for the moment that I create each layer, it is a spontaneous expr= ession. Since I tend to be a studio act and haven't inflated my Balls (tm) e= nough to get up in front of an audience yet to do my thing, this is cool for= now. Hopefully some mutation of this approach with the Live Looping (tm) ap= proach, plus a huge supply of viagra from those friendly email folks who won= 't go away is in my near future.

Tim the loopin' eunuch --part1_78.45a09deb.2c7121f3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 15:34:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HJWxZ01050; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:32:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:32:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030817123419.0377c210@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:35:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: Boss RC-20 with Digitech FS-300 In-Reply-To: References: <3F3F9FFD.11582339@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I fixed that link, thanks for pointing it out. kim At 08:51 AM 8/17/2003, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >Oh, the link to the "Boss RC-20 Home Page" on the >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/RC20/boss-rc20.html >is invalid thanks to Roland rearranging their site again since the page >was set up. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 16:30:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HKU1g06344; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:30:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:30:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030817132834.025eeb88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:32:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Brother Sync of Loop Delay and Echoplex In-Reply-To: <004d01c3630b$f922bfa0$fda8a8c0@itopc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:02 AM 8/15/2003, ito wrote: >I still own the Paradis "Loop Delay" and intend to buy the "Echoplex Plus >(LoopIV Version)" to establish a stereo set-up. Has anybody made >experiences of combining both machines through "Brother Sync"? Will this >work in any way? I don´t need 100% accurancy for stereo, as I´m not doing >rhythmical stuff with the machines. I don't think that would work, since the brothersync circuit is not the same as in the old LoopDelay. You need two echoplexes or echoplex plusses. > As I don´t want to use 2 Footboards I intend to use a Rocktron "Access" > board and want to operate both machines by the Midi-Note-On impulse > switching facilities of the "Access", thus I will be able to switch the > rest of my gear as well. Any experiences made by anyone about that, too? It works fine using two echoplexes, but I don't think it will work well mixing with the LoopDelay. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 18:08:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HM53s15245; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:05:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:05:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: 2 EDPs: words of wisdom sought Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:04:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c3650b$8b35a460$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030817132834.025eeb88@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am just hooking up my second EDP. Is there any words of wisdom in addition to what I can glean from the manual & list archives on the most efficacious way to hook them up? Especially would appreciate foot pedal setups (PMC-10 in my case) that users have dialed in since Loop IV, since there hasn't been much said on that. I would like to go between stereo use and independent synced looping. I noticed reference to setting the second EDP to the same midi channel and using a different offset. What are the pros and cons of doing it this way rather than each on a separate midi channel? Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 19:08:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7HN7No22203; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.166.156] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <28.3c497c75.2c70a85e@aol.com> Subject: Re: future loopers(nic) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:07:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C364D9.9E2101F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:07:12 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2003 23:07:15.0981 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CDD03D0:01C36514] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C364D9.9E2101F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the = =3D >> 'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time = paradigm, =3D >> but used more as a logical entity). The subloops would have an = arbitrary =3D >> repetition time. >so you're thinking multitrack here? Yes, though multitrack is too confined a concept probably, since = parallel 'tracks' seems to suggest they have the same length. 'multi = loop element' is closer to what I was thinking (but there may be a = better term for it). >> dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices currently may have = this =3D >> differently, don't know about the EDP e.g. > You want the ability to play loops of different lengths simultaneously = then? Yes. Essentially each loop element loops on its own length, but is = linked to its peer loop elements within a composite loop (or group of = loops, or 'gloop'). Having them linked would enable things you can't do = with just multiple disparate loopers, such as the beat ratio sync thing. The other unexplained thought, pitch shift while recording, would go = something like this: I record an audio stream into the loop (guitar is = my point of departure) but I'm also feeding the MIDI notes underlying = that audio stream (in my case from my guitar synth). The looper = 'applies' this MIDI sequence of notes as the basis for pitch shifting = (while recording). You've now fed the looper 'knowledge' about what's = supposed to be in the audio stream as far as pitch is concerned. First = order, you could tell the looper to flatten the pitch back out. Or, have = it play the inverse melody (inversion as in counterpoint / fugal = variations etc). Or, apply modulations such that one could manipulate = loops as malleable compositional elements (force it through chord = progressions). Hugely unpractical, therefore highly likely to be fun... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SoundFNR@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:43 AM Subject: Re: future loopers(nic) > The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the = =3D > 'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time = paradigm, =3D > but used more as a logical entity). The subloops would have an = arbitrary =3D > repetition time. so you're thinking multitrack here? =20 > This eliminates the restriction of one repetition period per loop = (as =3D > dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices currently may have = this =3D > differently, don't know about the EDP e.g. You want the ability to play loops of different lengths simultaneously = then? > =20 > Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure =3D > (bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would = enable =3D > the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of loops = that =3D > are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm. = =3D > E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop element = (within =3D > that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also the added value = over =3D > having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop thing, other than = cost). > =20 > I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) = pitch =3D > shift *during* record? > =20 > Nic Any suggestions you have would be interesting. No need to work out ideas, just imagine the sounds=20 you'd like to make without bothering about whether=20 it's practical andy butler ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C364D9.9E2101F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as = elements of the=20 =3D
>>  'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a = fixed-time paradigm, =3D
>>  but used more as a logical = entity). The=20 subloops would have an arbitrary =3D
>>  repetition=20 time.

>so you're thinking multitrack here?
Yes, though multitrack is too confined a concept probably, since = parallel=20 'tracks' seems to suggest they have the same length. 'multi loop = element' is=20 closer to what I was thinking (but there may be a better term for = it).
 
>>  dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices = currently=20 may have this =3D
>>  differently, don't know about the = EDP=20 e.g.

> You want the ability to play loops of different lengths = simultaneously then?
Yes. Essentially each loop element loops on its own length, but is = linked=20 to its peer loop elements within a composite loop (or group of loops, or = 'gloop'). Having them linked would enable things you can't do with just = multiple=20 disparate loopers, such as the beat ratio sync thing.
 
The other unexplained thought, pitch shift while recording, would = go=20 something like this: I record an audio stream into the loop (guitar is = my point=20 of departure) but I'm also feeding the MIDI notes underlying that audio = stream=20 (in my case from my guitar synth). The looper 'applies' this MIDI = sequence of=20 notes as the basis for pitch shifting (while recording). You've now fed = the=20 looper 'knowledge' about what's supposed to be in the audio stream as = far as=20 pitch is concerned. First order, you could tell the looper to flatten = the pitch=20 back out. Or, have it play the inverse melody (inversion as in = counterpoint /=20 fugal variations etc). Or, apply modulations such that one could = manipulate=20 loops as malleable compositional elements (force it through chord = progressions).=20 Hugely unpractical, therefore highly likely to be fun...
----- Original Message -----
From: SoundFNR@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 = 2:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: future = loopers(nic)

> The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as = elements of the =3D
>  'loop' (loop concept used here as = decoupled=20 from a fixed-time paradigm, =3D
>  but used more as a = logical=20 entity). The subloops would have an arbitrary =3D
>  = repetition=20 time.

so you're thinking multitrack here?
  =
>  This=20 eliminates the restriction of one repetition period per loop (as=20 =3D
>  dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices = currently may=20 have this =3D
>  differently, don't know about the EDP=20 e.g.

You want the ability to play loops of different lengths=20 simultaneously then?

> 
>  Furthermore, if = combined=20 with the possibility to assign measure =3D
>  (bar/beat = numbering)=20 and a beat quantize capability, this would enable =3D
>  = the buildup,=20 superimposition and individual manipulation of loops that = =3D
>  are=20 a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm.=20 =3D
>  E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next = loop element=20 (within =3D
>  that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein = lies also=20 the added value over =3D
>  having separate loopers doing = the=20 multiple-loop thing, other than cost).
> 
>  I = have=20 more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch = =3D
> =20 shift *during* record?
> 
>  Nic

Any = suggestions=20 you have would be interesting.
No need to work out ideas, just = imagine the=20 sounds
you'd like to make without bothering about whether
it's = practical

andy butler

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C364D9.9E2101F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 20:56:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7I0tIZ31493; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:55:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030818005512.8583.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Boss RC-20 with Digitech FS-300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > I wasn't certain the FS-300 would work with either > the reverse or the > phrase shift settings, but it was 2am and any stores > that might carry a > FS-5U switch were closed and while I didn't know if > it'd work, I doubted > trying would kill either the RC-20 or the FS-300. Well, when I first got an FS-300 (pawn shop) I assumed it worked sorta like the EDP pedal with different resistances and a mono cord... Took me a couple of days before I opened it up to see why it just kept scrolling and discovered the stereo jack in there... DOH!!! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 22:32:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7I2VAG08732; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:31:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:31:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040401c365c7$17db4850$06a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <000001c3650b$8b35a460$6501a8c0@neil> Subject: Re: 2 EDPs: words of wisdom sought Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:26:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my thinking is this: set each to a different channel. have seperate controller setups, identical save for the midi channel. this would allow total control of each independent of the other. now, have a bank of controls that send the same messages simultaneously on both edp channels. this would cover the sync'd stereo aspect. that's how i'd do it...for what it's worth. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 17 23:15:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7I3EmR13125; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: 2 EDPs: words of wisdom sought Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:14:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <040401c365c7$17db4850$06a44a43@g0wn7> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- jimfowler says: >set each to a different channel. have seperate controller setups, identical >save for the midi channel. this would allow total control of each >independent of the other. This is what I do--and since you, Neil, have the PMC-10, creating foot controller stuff is real easy--just change the channel. Another reason MIDI is so handy (there's a joke here). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 01:17:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7I5GvS23790; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:16:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:16:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c36547$c38a25c0$e962f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308172308.h7HN8hR22486@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Per's ideas for a dream software looper Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:15:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen's wish list for a software based looper is just an incredible vision......................I don't think I could add anything to it. Nice work, Per........................I love the idea for a bookmarkable history and for a step sequenced and perhaps a groove quantifiable approach to the loop.................the filtering idea has me itching to try out Cubase SX just for the step filtering function. The ability to 'call up' such a set of parameters would be incredibly useful, musically. I personally love the time stretch features of the Repeater and would only add that it would be cool to add two octaves up and two octaves down repitching of the loops (the Repeater sadly eliminated the second octave up). Someone should make this thing a reality: Andy? Matthias? Kim? anyone? Of course, I realize that I, as a non-programmer, haven't the faintest clue about how difficult it would be to develop such a thing but I wonder how many looping programmers on this list would be into volunteering to develop individual parts of such a wish list looper under the guidance of one or two or three individuals. Hell, it could be sold with the profits being used to compensate the programmers for their dedicated work and, perhaps, to help pay for this site Pie in the Sky? You tell me. Rick Per wrote: First I'd like to state that the "future looper" of my dreams is a software based plug-in, AU and VST compatible. Speaking about features I think the EDP almost has it all (why don't you Aurisis people put out a SoftPlex? It would be a hit!). However in a software version a lot of cool things could be added, like interesting applications of pitch transposing and time stretching. Another goodie that comes with software is the ability to throw in many "history" functions. Not only, as in traditional loopers, a history of overdubbed layers, but also a history of just about any action the player performs. And think about how powerful a "bookmark" function would be! Simply kick the "bookmark button" whenever your looping sounds good to you and then you can step back later along that "favourite bookmarks history" if you want. "Bookmarks" here working as EDP loops when running the EDP with RAM divided into many loop slots. Step based I would also like to have the looper step based according to a chosen "grid" (16 steps for 4/4 or maybe 10 if you want to play in 5/4 with an 8 note resolution). The grid should be completely user definable, maybe even affected by "groove quantising" (like ReCycle or pHATmatic Pro running under Logic. With the ability to use, export/import, the same groove quantize maps as the host application uses for midi or audio). Kind of the way Loop IV now can divide a loop into segments according to the 8ths/cycle setting, but in my vision it should also be possible to use the steps/slices/segments for different filtering, re-pitching, reversing and just about every usual loop mangling technique. One application could be to drive a filter for "step sequenced dynamical filtering" of the loop (like the Step Filter in Cubse SX and others). You should also be able to save all grid/step sequencing parameters as "pre-sets", to be instantly recalled by midi commands. Just think about setting up bass lines and melodies by re-pitching different 32 note segments of the loop! Then you could start out with looping a drone and then kick in the preset for "funky sub dominant". Transpose short segments up/down one or two octaves. Or apply a simple "random segment shift" function to have the loop play back segments in a different order. Opens up a lot of interesting possibilities. When running the looper as a plug-in under a host application many traditional problems are instantly solved. Like for example "combining two loops of different lengths". You can achieve this by opening two instances of the SoftPlex on two different host tracks, controlled over two different midi channels. Record loop one, change track and record loop two - now to a different loop length (and maybe you like to apply a different grid to this second loop as well? Some chances for poly rhythmic fun here ;-). If you run a FCB1010 into a laptop with a host application (SX, Logic, Ableton...) you don't have to bother with the FCB inability to assign different midi channels to different banks. Use the same bank and have the host software change the incoming midi to the right channel. Many host programs give you the ability to "change active track" over midi as well. Just one final not on "latency". I don't see it as a problem if the players actions are implemented into the loop on the next loop round. Then the computer has enough time to compensate for hardware latency. You don't need "software monitoring" for a looper. This is not a complete "wish list", just a bunch of loose thoughts hacked out on a Sunday Afternoon Segment ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 01:23:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7I5Mgf24507; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:22:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:22:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c36548$91ebb460$e962f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308172308.h7HN8hR22486@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Brother Sync Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:21:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For no other reason than I wanted someone else to know: Today, inspired by Claude Voit and my own love of the color dayglo green, I ordered up a twin 20 foot Y-Brother Sync cable in Fluorescent Lime Green Plastic. It'll be here in a week and a half. Yes, folks, that's three EDP users all synced at the same time (which is a nightmarish vision for some loopers on this list). Damn, I wish I had such an obnoxious cable on my tour this summer......................he he he. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 07:23:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7IBMK714250; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1061205544!1169906 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB43C@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MIDI throwdown Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:14:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36579.F5E91FD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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I learned all I know about midi from trying to make a peavey pc1600 do interesting things to a doepfer maq sequencer which, at the time of all this work, would respond only to rather esoteric combinations of programme changes and controllers, not the straightforward controllers that the recent software upgrades allow.
point is, prior to reading the six or so sides of text that came with the peavey, I too had no idea how to get the best out of midi.
it really is dead easy when you "get it" and very easy indeed to forget how impenetrable it can be before you "get it".
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36579.F5E91FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 08:54:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ICr6S21854; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Per's ideas for a dream software looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:53:03 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/18/2003 08:53:04 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Intresting bit of coincidence: Just yesterday I posted this to the Creator's section of the Reaktor forums at the Native Instrument's site: <> and this morning found these replies: 1: <> and 2: <> Obviously, if you don't have Reaktor, the link isn't much use, but the fact is clear that Reaktor would be a very viable environment in which to build powerful looping devices of every description. (I tried Andreas's looper for a few minutes this morning and it's simple and brilliant...5 parallel mono delays with feedback and filter controls, easily hooked to MIDI cc's....memory is dependant only on ram...5mb per mono minute at CD quality--making it stereo is something even I could do in about 20 minutes. Adding already-existing complex, bpm-sync'ed effects and routing matrices and any number of automated or foot-controlled volume controls also easy.) Building exactly what Per describes is a very distinct possibility; these Reaktor boffins are astonishing! They're just mostly more interested in building synths, samplers, and beat machines than in effects, etc....Of course, there's MAX/MSP and quite a few other modular software DSP packages out there, but both the possibilities within Reaktor (VERY flexible and sophisticated GUI's are possible...user-built stuff can look like commercial plugins, if not better) and the creativity, responsiveness and size of the active user's group are unmatched anywhere that I've found. dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 09:33:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7IDWYC26429; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> Reaktor? Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:32:27 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001301c3658d$2aa44a70$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dcoffin@taunton.com [mailto:dcoffin@taunton.com] > Reaktor > Adding > already-existing complex, bpm-sync'ed effects and routing > matrices and any number of automated or foot-controlled > volume controls also easy.) Building exactly what Per > describes is a very distinct possibility; these Reaktor > boffins are astonishing! They're just mostly more interested > in building synths, samplers, and beat machines than in > effects, etc....Of course, there's MAX/MSP and quite a few > other modular software DSP packages out there, but both the > possibilities within Reaktor (VERY flexible and sophisticated > GUI's are possible...user-built stuff can look like > commercial plugins, if not better) and the creativity, > responsiveness and size of the active user's group are > unmatched anywhere that I've found. dc Wow! Thank you! I have a certain feeling that this was an extremely valuable advice :-D Maybe I should buy Reaktor and make my own Dream Looper then? I've been lobbying around a little for the sake of future software loopers and it seems that most developers have a problem with estimating the eventual market. It's not a project you can start on a hobby level, I would guess, and this brings in the question of financing the developing work. That's what I got both form Angus Hewlett at fxpansion and Hubert Pietrzykowski at PSP. PSP even said: ">We indeed, considered making live-looping application, but after > consulting the idea with the designers of some well-known > hardware looping units we came to conclusion that the demand > for such plug-in is too low... " ...etc etc. Oh well, guess I have to look around for some Reaktor financing strategy... ;-) All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 09:47:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7IDkNF28217; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:46:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:46:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:46:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> Reaktor? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c3658d$2aa44a70$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6jhhzC.A.w4G.viNQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, Per. For all us, do that. Your dream looper specs are great. As to financing, just sell us the module after its been beta tested ... You'll make your dough back pronto... T. On 8/18/03 9:32 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Maybe I should buy Reaktor and make my own Dream > Looper then? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 09:56:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7IDsvv29441; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:54:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:54:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> Reaktor? Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:54:49 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001401c36590$4a789ba0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On 8/18/03 9:32 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > > > Maybe I should buy Reaktor and make my own Dream > > Looper then? > > From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] > Yes, Per. For all us, do that. Your dream looper specs are great. > > As to financing, just sell us the module after its been beta > tested ... > > You'll make your dough back pronto... > > T. Hi Todd, Great tip! But please keep the secret so I can sell my hardware loopers first ;-D / per (joined the Reaktor list 30 seconds ago ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 15:13:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7IINkc16365; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <185.1f3c5f8b.2c727352@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:22:10 EDT Subject: Re: future bookmarks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And think about how powerful a "bookmark" function would be! > Simply kick the "bookmark button" whenever your looping sounds good to > you and then you can step back later along that "favourite bookmarks > history" if you want. "Bookmarks" here working as EDP loops when running > the EDP with RAM divided into many loop slots. you can bookmark on the EDP by going into reverse briefly If you had a controller that would send 2 Reverse commands with one press you could do this inaudibly andy b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 23:17:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7J3GUo31852; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:16:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:16:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: 2 EDPs: words of wisdom sought Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:01:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c365b2$be9621c0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks guys. Can't wait to get this going! -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 2 EDPs: words of wisdom sought -----Original Message----- jimfowler says: >set each to a different channel. have seperate controller setups, identical >save for the midi channel. this would allow total control of each >independent of the other. This is what I do--and since you, Neil, have the PMC-10, creating foot controller stuff is real easy--just change the channel. Another reason MIDI is so handy (there's a joke here). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 18 23:21:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7J3Kgh32608; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:20:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:20:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.224.118.163] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: chrismandel@juno.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:19:50 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: future loopers X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: chrismandel@juno.com Message-Id: <20030818.191952.521.45658@webmail07.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm.... lets see. I'd like a looper, or delay unit, that had more volume options than just decay- i'd like loops to disapear and come back, or start out quiet, get loud, then come back down, or go back and forth between loud and soft. I also wish the the decay rate and number of repeats were independant controls so you could have a 90% decay rate for 3 repeats, then the loop is gone. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 00:56:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7J4smk22509; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001401c36590$4a789ba0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> References: <001401c36590$4a789ba0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:42:15 -0400 To: , From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: RE: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> Reaktor? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Joining the thread late, as lately I spend much more time doing video than music. One thing I have long wanted in a delay/looper is for the unit to always be recording, so I can hit a button after the phrase I want has ended. I'm not sure myself how this should be implemented, At 3:54 PM +0200 8/18/03, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 8/18/03 9:32 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> > Maybe I should buy Reaktor and make my own Dream >> > Looper then? >> >> From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] >> Yes, Per. For all us, do that. Your dream looper specs are great. >> >> As to financing, just sell us the module after its been beta >> tested ... >> >> You'll make your dough back pronto... >> >> T. > >Hi Todd, > >Great tip! But please keep the secret so I can sell my hardware loopers >first ;-D > >/ per >(joined the Reaktor list 30 seconds ago ;-) -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11 "Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose". -- Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11 If you are emailing me for the first time or from a new address, please start the subject line of your message with the word "New". This will prevent it from getting lost in the spam. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 01:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7J55Uh23827; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:05:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:05:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:04:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> Reaktor? From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr. T writ: > One thing I have long wanted in a delay/looper is for the unit to > always be recording, so I can hit a button after the phrase I want > has ended. I'm not sure myself how this should be implemented, > hey my does this. even if you dont want it to-yer signal goes thru-ya just bring up the MIX(blend) slider and there is somethin ya just did, ready to whipped, stir-fried or puree'd. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 01:07:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7J56A523915; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:06:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:06:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:06:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> Reaktor? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a really good idea, and I've had this idea for video for a long time. A small portable camera that's recording all the time. Filling a buffer that continuously gets dumped. When you give it a command, it then saves what was last in the buffer and stores it to a non volatile memory, and starts the process again. You could preset the buffer size. I imagine the same thing could happen with audio except you could have it loop. Great idea Emile. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:42 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > Joining the thread late, as lately I spend much more time doing video > than music. > > One thing I have long wanted in a delay/looper is for the unit to > always be recording, so I can hit a button after the phrase I want has > ended. I'm not sure myself how this should be implemented, > > > At 3:54 PM +0200 8/18/03, Per Boysen wrote: >> > On 8/18/03 9:32 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >>> >>> > Maybe I should buy Reaktor and make my own Dream >>> > Looper then? >>> >>> From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] >>> Yes, Per. For all us, do that. Your dream looper specs are great. >>> >>> As to financing, just sell us the module after its been beta >>> tested ... >>> >>> You'll make your dough back pronto... >>> >>> T. >> >> Hi Todd, >> >> Great tip! But please keep the secret so I can sell my hardware >> loopers >> first ;-D >> >> / per >> (joined the Reaktor list 30 seconds ago ;-) > > > -- > "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" > -- Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11 > > "Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose". > -- Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11 > > If you are emailing me for the first time or from a new address, > please start the subject line of your message with the word "New". > This will prevent it from getting lost in the spam. > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 01:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7J5Vbj26580; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:23:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> Reaktor? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've met someone who use Tivo's for that purpose -- but its a fixed loop and a device with a consumer interface that is hard to make into an instrument. At 10:06 PM -0700 8/18/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >That's a really good idea, and I've had this idea for video for a >long time. A small portable camera that's recording all the time. >Filling a buffer that continuously gets dumped. When you give it a >command, it then saves what was last in the buffer and stores it to >a non volatile memory, and starts the process again. You could >preset the buffer size. I imagine the same thing could happen with >audio except you could have it loop. Great idea Emile. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:42 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > >>Joining the thread late, as lately I spend much more time doing >>video than music. >> >>One thing I have long wanted in a delay/looper is for the unit to >>always be recording, so I can hit a button after the phrase I want >>has ended. I'm not sure myself how this should be implemented, >> That's not what I want, because if feedback is up, you get a lot of stuff, not just the last phrase. I envision buttons that one could hit to grab the last n beats (or whatever time units you prefer), and either loop them, loop them with a fade, or loop them and continue recording. The latter is basically like turning the input on retroactively. Come to think of it, a lot of effects are designed on the assumption that you want to control the mix -- where I usually want to control the input volume. A unit with buffered input could let me program a pre-delay on midi controlled input volume, so that I could fade in a phrase after it has been played. Learning to pay this well could be a challenge if it existed. At 10:04 PM -0700 8/18/03, wrote: > >hey my does this. even if you dont want it to-yer signal goes >thru-ya just bring up the MIX(blend) slider and there is somethin ya just >did, ready to whipped, stir-fried or puree'd. -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11 "Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose". -- Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11 If you are emailing me for the first time or from a new address, please start the subject line of your message with the word "New". This will prevent it from getting lost in the spam. Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 02:01:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7J5xl229340; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: future bookmarks Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:59:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <185.1f3c5f8b.2c727352@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy b say: >you can bookmark on the EDP by going into reverse briefly >If you had a controller that would send 2 Reverse commands >with one press you could do this inaudibly I do and I'll try that--thanks! That should enable you to set a point from which you cannot undo--right? But it doesn't set the start point--also correct? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 02:09:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7J68qn30189; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:08:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:08:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:21:58 -0700 Subject: Re: future loopers(nic) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--806543783 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 47d39cb6 aee23e9e e8cc8617 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <78.45a09deb.2c7121f3@aol.com> Message-Id: <254BC6AA-D1DB-11D7-AF46-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--806543783 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Here's some features I'd like to see: The ability to pre set your loop=20= time in terms of MIDI clock. In other words, say, I'm going to start=20 the loop NOW and then automatically have the loop end after a=20 predetermined length without any further intervention AND have it go=20 into overdub automatically. The loops are stereo, of course. Touch sensitive Jog shuttle. I want to be able to manipulate my loop=20 as one would a record. I'd like the choice to have the loop end up=20 continuing where ever I left off (Similar to the Repeater's slip=20 function) or have it snap back to where it should be if I had not=20 screwed with it. Either way, snap back should be available at all=20 times. Think about this possibility with multiple loops of different=20 lengths playing back at the same time. If Repeater users=20 haven't experimented with splitting stereo loops and slipping one side=20= against the other, you haven't used your Repeater enough! Decay and feedback available to me at all times. Not feedback, which=20 has to wait for the end of a loop to vary the volume, but the ability=20 to have the loop decay gradually at a specified rate. Available while=20= in record, or not in record. Standard EDP style feedback as well. Put these into a looper that will sync to a MIDI clock and I'd fall=20 over myself selling what ever I had to to buy one. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 11:22 AM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/03 2:44:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 > SoundFNR@aol.com writes: > > You want the ability to play loops of different lengths simultaneously=20= > then? > > > > > Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure =3D > > (bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would=20 > enable =3D > > the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of loops=20 > that =3D > > are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm. = =3D > > E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop element=20 > (within =3D > > that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also the added value=20= > over =3D > > having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop thing, other than=20 > cost). > > > > I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch=20= > =3D > > shift *during* record? > > > > Nic > > Any suggestions you have would be interesting. > No need to work out ideas, just imagine the sounds > you'd like to make without bothering about whether > it's practical > > andy butler > > > > This kind of thinking is pretty much exactly along the road that led=20= > me to abandon the simple audio-lag-generator=A0 (dual tape recorder=20 > thingie) approach in favor of midi sequencer loops. I can have any=20 > number of different length loops happening, with different logical=20 > structures, done as layers in the larger construction of the=20 > composition. Of course, it's not Live Looping (tm), but for the moment=20= > that I create each layer, it is a spontaneous expression. Since I tend=20= > to be a studio act and haven't inflated my Balls (tm) enough to get up=20= > in front of an audience yet to do my thing, this is cool for now.=20 > Hopefully some mutation of this approach with the Live Looping (tm)=20 > approach, plus a huge supply of viagra from those friendly email folks=20= > who won't go away is in my near future. > > Tim the loopin' eunuch= --Apple-Mail-2--806543783 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here's some features I'd like to see: The ability to pre set your loop time in terms of MIDI clock. In other words, say, I'm going to start the loop NOW and then automatically have the loop end after a predetermined length without any further intervention AND have it go into overdub automatically. The loops are stereo, of course. Touch sensitive Jog shuttle. I want to be able to manipulate my loop as one would a record. I'd like the choice to have the loop end up continuing where ever I left off (Similar to the Repeater's slip function) or have it snap back to where it should be if I had not screwed with it. Either way, snap back should be available at all times. < Think about this possibility with multiple loops of different lengths playing back at the same time. < If Repeater users haven't experimented with splitting stereo loops and slipping one side against the other, you haven't used your Repeater enough! Decay and feedback available to me at all times. Not feedback, which has to wait for the end of a loop to vary the volume, but the ability to have the loop decay gradually at a specified rate. Available while in record, or not in record. Standard EDP style feedback as well. Put these into a looper that will sync to a MIDI clock and I'd fall over myself selling what ever I had to to buy one. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 11:22 AM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: ArialIn a message dated 8/17/03 2:44:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SoundFNR@aol.com writes: You want the ability to play loops of different lengths simultaneously then? > > Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure =3D > (bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would enable =3D > the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of loops that =3D > are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm. =3D > E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop element (within =3D > that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also the added value over =3D > having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop thing, other than cost). > > I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch =3D= > shift *during* record? > > Nic Any suggestions you have would be interesting. No need to work out ideas, just imagine the sounds you'd like to make without bothering about whether it's practical andy butler This kind of thinking is pretty much exactly along the road that led me to abandon the simple audio-lag-generator=A0 (dual tape recorder thingie) approach in favor of midi sequencer loops. I can have any number of different length loops happening, with different logical structures, done as layers in the larger construction of the composition. Of course, it's not Live Looping (tm), but for the moment that I create each layer, it is a spontaneous expression. Since I tend to be a studio act and haven't inflated my Balls (tm) enough to get up in front of an audience yet to do my thing, this is cool for now. Hopefully some mutation of this approach with the Live Looping (tm) approach, plus a huge supply of viagra from those friendly email folks who won't go away is in my near future. Tim the loopin' eunuch= --Apple-Mail-2--806543783-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 03:08:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7J76LI01729; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:06:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:06:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c36620$ddbf6340$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030818.191952.521.45658@webmail07.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: future loopers Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:09:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.142.72] at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:06:15 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to have a looper that can transcribe and transpose loops, can play music on any instrument, and can make me a variety of user-defined coffee and biscuit combinations based on seasonal variances in light, humidity and time of day... :^) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 07:55:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JBriQ19147; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:53:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:53:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> Reaktor? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:53:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36648.88F5E280" Resent-Message-ID: <5Q448.A.CrE.I_gQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36648.88F5E280 Content-Type: text/plain Mark, you mean like this? Wearable Videocam Records Your Life DejaView's Camwear 100 continuously captures 30-second clips. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111236,00.asp Mark said: "and I've had this idea for video for a long time. A small portable camera that's recording all the time. Filling a buffer that continuously gets dumped. When you give it a command, it then saves what was last in the buffer and stores it to a non volatile memory, and starts the process again. You could preset the buffer size." ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36648.88F5E280 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> = Reaktor?

Mark, you mean like this?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C36648.88F5E280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 09:11:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JD9Gu28427; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:09:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:09:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: The Future is Here--It's Just Not Spread Out Yet Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:09:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <3CUFcD.A.D8G.8FiQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don said: Mark, you mean like this? Wearable Videocam Records Your Life DejaView's Camwear 100 continuously captures 30-second clips. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111236,00.asp when Mark said: "and I've had this idea for video for a long time. A small portable camera that's recording all the time. Filling a buffer that continuously gets dumped. When you give it a command, it then saves what was last in the buffer and stores it to a non volatile memory, and starts the process again. You could preset the buffer size." and I say: What a great time to be alive! Welcome to the future! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 10:26:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JENES05305; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:23:10 -0700 Subject: Re: The Future is Here--It's Just Not Spread Out Yet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice! That's exactly what I wanted! It is a good time to be alive, indeed. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 06:09 AM, Relay wrote: > Don said: > Mark, you mean like this? > Wearable Videocam Records Your Life > DejaView's Camwear 100 continuously captures 30-second clips. > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111236,00.asp > > > when Mark said: > "and I've had this idea for video for a long > time. A small portable camera that's recording all the time. Filling > a buffer that continuously gets dumped. When you give it a command, it > then saves what was last in the buffer and stores it to a non volatile > memory, and starts the process again. You could preset the buffer > size." > > and I say: > > What a great time to be alive! Welcome to the future! > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 10:48:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JElda09542; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:47:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <37.3ce3bf1e.2c73927b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:47:23 EDT Subject: RE: future bookmarks(Gary) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <0qZJKB.A.9UC.LijQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >you can bookmark on the EDP by going into reverse briefly > >If you had a controller that would send 2 Reverse commands > >with one press you could do this inaudibly > > I do and I'll try that--thanks! That should enable you to set a point from > which you cannot undo--right? right > But it doesn't set the start point--also > correct? correct andy b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 10:49:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JEjne09227; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:45:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <17.3c81e29c.2c739215@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:45:41 EDT Subject: RE: : Re: Per's ideas for a dream > Emile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I envision buttons that one could > hit to grab the last n beats (or whatever time units you prefer), and > either loop them, loop them with a fade, or loop them and continue > recording. The latter is basically like turning the input on > retroactively. already possible with EDP 1) turn output vol and feedback both to zero 2) start up the loop length that you want, with overdub on 3) then at the end of the section you want, set feedback and output to max, and turn off O/D So I guess that's possible with lot's of current devices. The EDP specific way would be RecordMode = TOG Loop/Delay = dEL set feedback to zero hit Record then Mute to specify your Loop length hit Overdub (=Freeze) to reveal the loop andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 11:13:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JFA1T13649; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:09:31 EDT Subject: Re: Mark's future looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <4KBTIC.A.IVD.I3jQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Here's some features I'd like to see: The ability to pre set your loop=20= > > time in terms of MIDI clock. In other words, say, I'm going to start=20 > the loop NOW and then automatically have the loop end after a=20 > predetermined length without any further intervention AND have it go=20 > into overdub automatically. too lazy to hit Overdub during Record ? :-) > > The loops are stereo, of course. > > Touch sensitive Jog shuttle. I want to be able to manipulate my loop=20 > as one would a record. I'd like the choice to have the loop end up=20 > continuing where ever I left off (Similar to the Repeater's slip=20 > function) or have it snap back to where it should be if I had not=20 > screwed with it. Either way, snap back should be available at all=20 > times. so how would you like that to sound? like a dj lining up the record sort of thing? I imagine a Kaos pad type controller, where as soon as you touch it the loop stops it's normal motion, and is "scrubbed" by the motion of your finger on the pad. Playback resumes when you remove your finger. > > Think about this possibility with multiple loops of different=20 > lengths playing back at the same time. If Repeater users=20 > haven't experimented with splitting stereo loops and slipping one side=20= > > against the other, you haven't used your Repeater enough! the difficult concept is combining the multitrack idea (parallel) with the EDP type Nextloop concept(serial) > > Decay and feedback available to me at all times. Not feedback, which=20 > has to wait for the end of a loop to vary the volume, but the ability=20 > to have the loop decay gradually at a specified rate. Available while=20= > in record, or not in record. Standard EDP style feedback as well. Does EDP ReplaceMode (Loop/Delay=rPL) cover this? > > Mark Sottilaro > andy b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 11:34:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JFWKM18320; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:32:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:32:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Scared of MIDI Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:32:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <015d01c363df$0a7fa460$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not really-- Last night I rehearsed with a violinist for a freebie Friday at Quail Botanical Gardens--it's an art exhibit, and I will be looping a smidgen--so come on down--230 Quail Gardens Dr., Encinitas, CA 92024(760) 436-3036. For the rehearsal, I just used a footswitch for record--not very versatile--so I gotta say, go MIDI--or not, ya know . . . In other news, this morning I dragged the EDP and a larger amp down to the Starbucks parking lot--FWIW, this is the Westerfield Cleaners parking lot (where David stood shivering in the early morning hours waiting for the dry cleaner to open--ask me, I'll tell you)--and played in the parking lot, as opposed to on the site itself. And I got a dollar! I packed up at that point--quit while you're ahead--but I also had a black woman tell me to have a good day just before this as I was busting out the blues in a major way, after loads of Celtic and folk noodling. So I will--and the rest of you also have the best, loopiest day. Gary PS All this in my new LD T-shirt--thanks Jason! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 11:42:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JFesU19870; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:40:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:40:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.23273482.2c739ee2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:40:18 EDT Subject: Re: fute loopers(Per)+ 2EDPs stereo/2xmono To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <0qcFe.A.T2E.GUkQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Oh yes, I forgot! The FCB1010 can only send out one midi note at a time, > over one midi channel. And the EDP has to be controlled by midi not on - > right? Note-on is the easiest (and the only way with FCB1010), if the controller can send programable commands on the release of the switch then CC are a bit more flexible. > > one of Claude Voit's ideas, as I understand it you'd have a > > "Reverse Overdub" as an alternative to "Overdub"...so that > > each layer you overdubbed would be heard backwards, but the > > original loop could keep going forward if you wanted. > > Dammit - what a usable feature! Hope "Reverse Overdub" will make it into > LoopV ;-) > How about "Reverse Insert"? > "Reverse Overdub" would be very useful for percussionists. I would like > it also to be affected quantise and rounding settings. Then you could be > able to overdub just one "reversed snare drum hit" (length defined by > the 8th/cycle) in a longer loop. But then it would have to sort under > the Insert and not the Overdub. hmmm, having a Quantised overdub would in itself be a new thing.............useful ?? would it be nicer to be able to just reverse a section of a loop? again this could be variously quantised > > at the moment I'm trying to find techniques for "splitting" > > my stereo EDP loops, for instance it's easy to use the > > parameter reverse just on the slave EDP. > > (or put one of the EDPs into "edit mode" and use the Direct Midi > > commands on just one EDP.) > > > > andy butler > > Wow! You sure got some nice ideas to play around with over there ;-) > > Can you post your findings? Matters like these are bouncing a lot inside > my head these days, but I have only one EDP here so I can never try it > out IRL. of course with a fully featured footcontroller things would be easier . Most obvious technique is to change the MIDI channel on one EDP. Claude Voit's poly multiply for standard stereo EDP configuration. 1) hit Mult on slave 2) after no. of cycles you want for slave is reached, hit Mult on master 3) after no. of cycles you want for master is reached, hit Mult on master 4) hit Undo on slave Matthias Grob was worried that programming seperate controls for 2EDPs would be bad for stereo sync. I guess because any time lag between MIDI commands could be variable. Right now I have EDP2 plugged into MIDI THRU on EDP1, and it seems to be syncing OK. .......but I need to play more to make sure This makes EDP1 panel controls only work for EDP1, so I have foot control for both EDPs (stereo) and panel control for individual changes. ( and much easier to change channels on EDP1, it's now no longer messing with EDP2) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 11:45:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JFh9J20565; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:43:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1c0.de6a081.2c739f81@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:42:57 EDT Subject: Re: future loopers(Alex) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Seriously, memory is cheap and people wonder about what to do with > six minutes of delay. Divide it up with 100 delay taps spaced 3.6 > seconds apart, and set the > tap levels in a nice gradual descent to zero. Sounds just like a > certain kind of looping, except there's really no feedback happening. > Then map a controller to make a 'bump' in a dozen of the tap levels > and sweep it around: sounds like infinite, gradual Undo... nice (more) andy b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 11:52:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JFmbh21732; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:48:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.342f9af4.2c73a0bd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:48:13 EDT Subject: Re: future steps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Step based > > I would also like to have the looper step based according to a chosen > "grid" (16 steps for 4/4 or maybe 10 if you want to play in 5/4 with an > 8 note resolution). The grid should be completely user definable, maybe > even affected by "groove quantising" (like ReCycle or pHATmatic Pro > running under Logic. With the ability to use, export/import, the same > groove quantize maps as the host application uses for midi or audio). or quantise to the incoming audio :-) > Kind of the way Loop IV now can divide a loop into segments according to > the 8ths/cycle setting, but in my vision it should also be possible to > use the steps/slices/segments for different filtering, re-pitching, > reversing and just about every usual loop mangling technique. One > application could be to drive a filter for "step sequenced dynamical > filtering" of the loop (like the Step Filter in Cubse SX and others). possible already with line 6 filter pro , and MAM warp9 > You should also be able to save all grid/step sequencing parameters as > "pre-sets", to be instantly recalled by midi commands. Just think about > setting up bass lines and melodies by re-pitching different 32 note > segments of the loop! Then you could start out with looping a drone and > then kick in the preset for "funky sub dominant". I like :-) > Transpose short > segments up/down one or two octaves. Or apply a simple "random segment > shift" function to have the loop play back segments in a different > order. Opens up a lot of interesting possibilities. or use sequences of changes similar to those used by English church bell change ringers 123456 214365 241635 426153 462513 645231 654321 563412 and so on, simple swaps making a complex pattern andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 11:54:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JFoUD22253; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:50:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:50:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200308191550.h7JFoTW22217@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: Subject: Thank you! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:50:27 --0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_NextPart_000_00F8CA9B" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multipart message in MIME format --_NextPart_000_00F8CA9B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please see the attached file for details. --_NextPart_000_00F8CA9B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 11:56:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JFrAh22949; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:53:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:53:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200308191553.h7JFr9W22920@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: Subject: Thank you! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:53:07 --0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_NextPart_000_00FB3CDB" Resent-Message-ID: <92n35B.A.amF.mfkQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multipart message in MIME format --_NextPart_000_00FB3CDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please see the attached file for details. --_NextPart_000_00FB3CDB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 11:57:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JFsWw23270; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:49:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Scared of MIDI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:32 AM -0700 8/19/03, Relay wrote: >Quail Botanical Gardens Nice spot. Break a circuit! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 11:59:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JFv0a23762; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:57:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:57:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200308191556.h7JFuxW23736@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: Subject: Re: Your application Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:56:57 --0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_NextPart_000_00FEBF24" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multipart message in MIME format --_NextPart_000_00FEBF24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See the attached file for details --_NextPart_000_00FEBF24-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 12:04:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JG1LU24803; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:01:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:01:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200308191601.h7JG1LW24779@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: Subject: Re: Approved Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:01:19 --0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_NextPart_000_0102BE40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multipart message in MIME format --_NextPart_000_0102BE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please see the attached file for details. --_NextPart_000_0102BE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 12:07:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JG6QX26143; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Approved Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:05:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c3666b$b6d01590$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <200308191601.h7JG1LW24779@hemlock.violacea.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is this spam on the list? -----Original Message----- From: psychle62@yahoo.com [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Approved Please see the attached file for details. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 12:07:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JG5IS25877; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:05:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:05:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030819090307.017cd2b8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:05:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Approved In-Reply-To: <200308191601.h7JG1LW24779@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yippee!! I'm approved!!! Thank you soooo much! I've been seeking some sort of affirmant for so long... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 12:15:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JGD6g27765; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:13:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200308191613.h7JGD5W27724@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: Subject: Thank you! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:13:04 --0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_NextPart_000_010D7D01" Resent-Message-ID: <6qKbhC.A.oxG.SykQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multipart message in MIME format --_NextPart_000_010D7D01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please see the attached file for details. --_NextPart_000_010D7D01-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 12:24:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JGLML29484; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: OT: Please get infected by my virus (was RE: Approved) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:19:00 -0600 Message-ID: <002301c3666d$9a87b800$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001001c3666b$b6d01590$0200a8c0@akadev.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:21:15 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DUCK!!!! *ducking* > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Approved > > > What is this spam on the list? > > -----Original Message----- > From: psychle62@yahoo.com [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Approved > > > Please see the attached file for details. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 12:24:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JGGIE28553; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200308191616.h7JGGHW28529@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: Subject: Re: Approved Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:16:15 --0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_NextPart_000_011069E5" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multipart message in MIME format --_NextPart_000_011069E5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See the attached file for details --_NextPart_000_011069E5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 12:25:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JGMt729796; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200308191622.h7JGMsW29761@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: Subject: Thank you! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:22:52 --0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_NextPart_000_01167867" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multipart message in MIME format --_NextPart_000_01167867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See the attached file for details --_NextPart_000_01167867-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 12:44:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JGgC602273; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:42:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:42:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030819112117.00e1f2a0@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:39:34 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Looping in Audiomulch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So I haven't seen any mention of Audiomulch's new looping capabilities yet (see http://www.audiomulch.com ). In the last release, Ross included a Livelooper contraption as well as a Canonlooper contraption in the Beta section. Each has 16 outputs so you can put each loop through a separate processing chain. It's still in development (he will add system clock/midi sync, etc.) but it is still very usable as a looping tool. I am currently using audiomulch for cello playthroughs and looping. I am running a live patch using Livelooper and a ton of VST plugins as well as audiomulch's granular synthesis and delay objects. The live signal and looper outputs are routed through an 8x8 routing matrix so I can route any of the inputs through one or more of 8 processing chains. I mapped the more important parameters (start/stop record and mute as well as numerous VST plugin parameters) onto a peavy 1600x so I can control everything remotely on the fly. Playing into it is like dropping a pebble into a still pond. The sound just ripples outward from the original sound. I use this in conjunction w/ a slew of stompboxes and a line 6 DL4 and a boomerang. It has so far turned out to be a very flexible and powerful setup. L. Stafford low Orbit/slut Machine/Nautipuss/Richard For Cerebellum http://www.livejournal.com/~r4c http://www.winternet.com/~r4c http://nautipuss.iuma.com/ Blackbox Music Electronics http://www.blackboxmusicfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 13:01:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JGv0107278; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:57:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:57:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200308191656.h7JGuxW07254@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: Subject: Re: That movie Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:56:57 --0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_NextPart_000_0135ABC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multipart message in MIME format --_NextPart_000_0135ABC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See the attached file for details --_NextPart_000_0135ABC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 13:02:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JGx1r07722; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:59:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:59:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200308191659.h7JGx0W07676@hemlock.violacea.com> From: To: Subject: Re: Approved Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:58:58 --0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_NextPart_000_013785F2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multipart message in MIME format --_NextPart_000_013785F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See the attached file for details --_NextPart_000_013785F2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 13:48:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JHji616087; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:45:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:45:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Looping in Audiomulch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:45:40 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/19/2003 01:45:42 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mmm!....sounds yummy; too bad Audiomulch isn't cross-platform;-( dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 13:51:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JHnVc17456; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:49:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c3667a$44ba2900$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: , References: <200308191659.h7JGx0W07676@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Approved Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:49:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've received this "Approved" message with attachment from these guys so far... dgoat@quik.com matthias@grob.org steve@steve-lawson.co.uk A.Willers@t-online.de Is this possibly a virus everyone's catching? Anyone get this message from me? biffoz@arczip.com Best regards, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Re: Approved > See the attached file for details From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:00:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JHw9j19561; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:58:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:58:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Looping in Audiomulch Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:58:03 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <012501c3667b$6fc35a30$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: dcoffin@taunton.com [mailto:dcoffin@taunton.com] > mmm!....sounds yummy; too bad Audiomulch isn't cross-platform;-( dc Yes, really ;-( I too have to think twice these days to stay multiplatform. Thanks to WinXP and OSX it seems to be less trouble than before though. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:04:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JI1jj20533; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:01:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006301c3667a$44ba2900$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> References: <200308191659.h7JGx0W07676@hemlock.violacea.com> <006301c3667a$44ba2900$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:01:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Approved Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've received this "Approved" message with attachment from these guys so >far... > >dgoat@quik.com >matthias@grob.org >steve@steve-lawson.co.uk >A.Willers@t-online.de same here >Is this possibly a virus everyone's catching? I assume it's a virus. I'm on a Mac anyway. Yay. I'll still turn the bastards in to Spamcop though. > Anyone get this message from >me? biffoz@arczip.com I got this msg from you, but not the virus msg, if that's what you mean. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:05:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JI1ep20497; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:01:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:01:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4268F4.CCF36A55@erols.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:14:12 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Approved References: <200308191659.h7JGx0W07676@hemlock.violacea.com> <006301c3667a$44ba2900$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko Biffle wrote: > I've received this "Approved" message with attachment from these guys so > far... > > dgoat@quik.com > matthias@grob.org > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > A.Willers@t-online.de > > Is this possibly a virus everyone's catching? Anyone get this message from > me? biffoz@arczip.com > > Best regards, > -Miko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:58 AM > Subject: Re: Approved > > > See the attached file for details Could be. I was stupid enough to open the file, and now my Pro Tools Le files won't open. When I try to open a song it forces my computer to shutdown, any advice on how to fix this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:06:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JI3JP21272; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Approved Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:00:56 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01c3667b$d7644870$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006301c3667a$44ba2900$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:03:11 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks like a variant of this worm: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.c@mm.html The blaster worm has also been going around: http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.worm.html And this is a new worm that apparently attempts to 'fix' machines infected by blaster: http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.welchia.worm.html Best bet is to update your anti-virus (or get one if you don't have one) and scan your system. There's also specific utilities designed to detect and clean the above infections; these tools (if there are any) should be available from the above pages. Good luck, Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:50 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; > loopers-delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Approved > > > I've received this "Approved" message with attachment from > these guys so > far... > > dgoat@quik.com > matthias@grob.org > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > A.Willers@t-online.de > > Is this possibly a virus everyone's catching? Anyone get this > message from > me? biffoz@arczip.com > > Best regards, > -Miko > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:58 AM > Subject: Re: Approved > > > > See the attached file for details > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:07:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JI3or21333; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:03:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:03:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Approved Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:03:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c3667c$21a7aa80$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <006301c3667a$44ba2900$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <_5SBGD.A.NNF.FamQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems more likely a virus that only one member has caught the point of origination is an Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 mail agent. -----Original Message----- From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Approved I've received this "Approved" message with attachment from these guys so far... dgoat@quik.com matthias@grob.org steve@steve-lawson.co.uk A.Willers@t-online.de Is this possibly a virus everyone's catching? Anyone get this message from me? biffoz@arczip.com Best regards, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Re: Approved > See the attached file for details From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:14:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JICjs23512; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:12:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f601c3667d$b3ce6920$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <200308191659.h7JGx0W07676@hemlock.violacea.com> <006301c3667a$44ba2900$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> Subject: OT: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:14:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2Kmhn.A.MvF.cimQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" > >Is this possibly a virus everyone's catching? > > I assume it's a virus. I'm on a Mac anyway. Yay. I'll still turn the > bastards in to Spamcop though. I'm not getting an attachment with these messages. I haven't noticed anything unusual yet and I've restarted my PC a few times since I started getting these messages. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:18:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JIG5e24668; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:16:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:16:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:15:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c3667d$f034e790$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00f601c3667d$b3ce6920$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think LD bans attachments that's why you are not receiving one. ::: :::I'm not getting an attachment with these messages. I haven't :::noticed anything unusual yet and I've restarted my PC a few :::times since I started getting these messages. ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:19:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JIFIj24518; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:15:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030819111327.019c8a10@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:14:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: OT: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) In-Reply-To: <00f601c3667d$b3ce6920$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <200308191659.h7JGx0W07676@hemlock.violacea.com> <006301c3667a$44ba2900$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't get the attachments either - some ISPs must be intervening on behalf of users... At 02:14 PM 2003/08/19 -0400, David Beardsley wrote: >I'm not getting an attachment with these messages. I haven't >noticed anything unusual yet and I've restarted my PC a few >times since I started getting these messages. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:22:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JIKEX25765; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:20:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:20:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c3667e$867da700$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: OK, who's got the virus??? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:20:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone on the list has got a virus/worm - I'm getting LOADS of emails from loop related addresses, as well as the ones sent to the list... Please, if you're going to keep my address is your address book, keep your virus software up to date - I get so much email anyway, it's hardwork to have to filter all the viruses/worms that keep arriving... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:24:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JIJvj25671; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:19:52 -0400 Message-ID: <009b01c3667e$7cda9c80$e93c0404@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001e01c3667d$f034e790$01b52b04@purgatory> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.4.60.233] at Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:19:50 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I have gotten a few from members of this list somehow. My anti virus blocked em. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > -----Original Message----- > From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:squidloop@thetentacle.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) > > > I think LD bans attachments that's why you are not receiving one. > > ::: > :::I'm not getting an attachment with these messages. I > haven't :::noticed anything unusual yet and I've restarted my > PC a few :::times since I started getting these messages. > ::: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:36:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JIMZx26752; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:22:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:22:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:21:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c3667e$c02cf4b0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <001e01c3667d$f034e790$01b52b04@purgatory> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7JIMYW26729 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com TaDa that's the answer now who here ain't running an anti virus program if you are not shutdown your email program and fix it. The source seems to be Outlook Express 6.000. -----Original Message----- From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:squidloop@thetentacle.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) I think LD bans attachments that's why you are not receiving one. ::: :::I'm not getting an attachment with these messages. I haven't :::noticed anything unusual yet and I've restarted my PC a few :::times since I started getting these messages. ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 14:40:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JIXM028987; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c36680$66951840$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: Scared of MIDI Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:31:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary, I was playing some atmospherics before the opening of a performance of the play, The Ramayana. The house lights were on, and people could freely come and go... I had a nice cloud moving around and inserted a few bleeps and blips. One guy in Indian garb comes up and says, "That's the lonliest sound I've ever heard... " Another time a woman commented that my music was like the lowing of cows. Both interesting and funny observations. No money though... -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: Scared of MIDI > Not really-- > Last night I rehearsed with a violinist for a freebie Friday at Quail > Botanical Gardens--it's an art exhibit, and I will be looping a smidgen--so > come on down--230 Quail Gardens Dr., Encinitas, CA 92024(760) 436-3036. > For the rehearsal, I just used a footswitch for record--not very > versatile--so I gotta say, go MIDI--or not, ya know . . . > In other news, this morning I dragged the EDP and a larger amp down to the > Starbucks parking lot--FWIW, this is the Westerfield Cleaners parking lot > (where David stood shivering in the early morning hours waiting for the dry > cleaner to open--ask me, I'll tell you)--and played in the parking lot, as > opposed to on the site itself. And I got a dollar! I packed up at that > point--quit while you're ahead--but I also had a black woman tell me to have > a good day just before this as I was busting out the blues in a major way, > after loads of Celtic and folk noodling. So I will--and the rest of you > also have the best, loopiest day. > Gary > PS All this in my new LD T-shirt--thanks Jason! > G > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:27:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJNh304264; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:23:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Looping in Audiomulch Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:24:15 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030819112117.00e1f2a0@mail.winternet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Seen: false X-ID: TzfPBcZareh6P+nKy9bXN4wVCyPRpWfpmXqIZErHRYQSy1qfE3Ysr5@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com L. Stafford wrote, > I am currently using audiomulch > for cello playthroughs and looping. > Playing into it is like dropping a pebble into a > still pond. The sound just ripples > outward from the original sound. any chance to post some of your mulch patches somewhere? maybe a stripped-off version? = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:33:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJLiR03940; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:21:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:21:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: Subject: FS: Echoplex Digital Pro, V4 software + pedal Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:21:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2003 19:21:37.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C49C2C0:01C36687] Resent-Message-ID: <9QMtKD.A.b9.HjnQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, This excellent unit just isn't going to work in my rig. Full memory, footswitch, both manuals - I'll even throw in the cable I use with the footswitch. A little rack rash, but otherwise perfect. I'm willing to let it go for $550, plus shipping. Currently the best ebay price is $650, with the second best in a bundle at $750. Musician's friend wants $800, without the footswitch. Despite my earlier screaming and moaning, there is nothing wrong with it - just with it's owner :> Let me know if you are interested before I post this 'Sottilaro's-grand-closet-in-the-ether'. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:37:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJS7804997; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014301c36688$5710a580$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: Subject: Syncing Echoplex with JamMan? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:30:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, newbie here! I have an Echoplex and will be playing with somebody who has a JamMan. Has anybody had experience syncing these together? What can I expect and what can't I expect? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:38:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJZBw06105; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:35:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:35:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Scared of MIDI Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:35:02 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <012d01c36688$fd903e20$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <007701c36680$66951840$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was playing "ambient background music" with a duo at a friends wedding party when the brother of the bride suddenly stepped up to my mic, grabbed it and uttered a loud BURRRRPH!!! into the PA. Since we played very silently he had the crowd stop eating and looking up at the ugly sound. He just went "oooops, so this one was ON! Oh-oh... Woo-hoo...." ect etc, shouting into the mic to verify he was right when discovering that "it is ON". I guess he was very drunk and never had heard of silent music before. Probably he never understood that we were performing there either ;-D Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com > Hi Gary, > > I was playing some atmospherics before the opening of a > performance of the play, The Ramayana. The house lights were > on, and people could freely come and go... I had a nice cloud > moving around and inserted a few bleeps and blips. One guy in > Indian garb comes up and says, "That's the lonliest sound > I've ever heard... " Another time a woman commented that my > music was like the lowing of cows. Both interesting and funny > observations. No money though... > > -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:48:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJiUm08259; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:44:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:44:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c3668a$82a24b20$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: , References: <012d01c36688$fd903e20$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Subject: Re: Scared of MIDI Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:45:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > I was playing "ambient background music" with a duo at a friends wedding > party when the brother of the bride suddenly stepped up to my mic, > grabbed it and uttered a loud BURRRRPH!!! into the PA. Since we played > very silently he had the crowd stop eating and looking up at the ugly > sound. He just went "oooops, so this one was ON! Oh-oh... Woo-hoo...." > ect etc, shouting into the mic to verify he was right when discovering > that "it is ON". I guess he was very drunk and never had heard of silent > music before. Probably he never understood that we were performing there > either ;-D But did his contribution become part of the loop? * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:48:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJgLx07677; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Scared of MIDI Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:42:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36689.FF91E510" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36689.FF91E510 Content-Type: text/plain So, how did you sync the brother-in-law up with your EDP? ;) DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] >>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:35 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: Scared of MIDI >> >> >>I was playing "ambient background music" with a duo at a >>friends wedding party when the brother of the bride suddenly >>stepped up to my mic, grabbed it and uttered a loud >>BURRRRPH!!! into the PA. Since we played very silently he had >>the crowd stop eating and looking up at the ugly sound. He >>just went "oooops, so this one was ON! Oh-oh... Woo-hoo...." >>ect etc, shouting into the mic to verify he was right when >>discovering that "it is ON". I guess he was very drunk and >>never had heard of silent music before. Probably he never >>understood that we were performing there either ;-D >> >>Best wishes >> >>Per Boysen >>------------- >>www.boysen.se >>www.looproom.com >> >>> Hi Gary, >>> >>> I was playing some atmospherics before the opening of a >>> performance of the play, The Ramayana. The house lights were >>> on, and people could freely come and go... I had a nice cloud >>> moving around and inserted a few bleeps and blips. One guy in >>> Indian garb comes up and says, "That's the lonliest sound >>> I've ever heard... " Another time a woman commented that my >>> music was like the lowing of cows. Both interesting and funny >>> observations. No money though... >>> >>> -Miko >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36689.FF91E510 Content-Type: text/html RE: Scared of MIDI

So, how did you sync the brother-in-law up with your EDP?

;)

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:35 PM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: RE: Scared of MIDI
>>
>>
>>I was playing "ambient background music" with a duo at a
>>friends wedding party when the brother of the bride suddenly
>>stepped up to my mic, grabbed it and uttered a loud
>>BURRRRPH!!! into the PA. Since we played very silently he had
>>the crowd stop eating and looking up at the ugly sound. He
>>just went "oooops, so this one was ON! Oh-oh... Woo-hoo...."
>>ect etc, shouting into the mic to verify he was right when
>>discovering that "it is ON". I guess he was very drunk and
>>never had heard of silent music before. Probably he never
>>understood that we were performing there either ;-D
>>
>>Best wishes
>>
>>Per Boysen
>>-------------
>>www.boysen.se
>>www.looproom.com
>>
>>> Hi Gary,
>>>
>>> I was playing some atmospherics before the opening of a
>>> performance of the play, The Ramayana. The house lights were
>>> on, and people could freely come and go... I had a nice cloud
>>> moving around and inserted a few bleeps and blips. One guy in
>>> Indian garb comes up and says, "That's the lonliest sound
>>> I've ever heard... "  Another time a woman commented that my
>>> music was like the lowing of cows. Both interesting and funny
>>> observations. No money though...
>>>
>>> -Miko
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36689.FF91E510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:49:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJk1w08541; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:46:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.28.229] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Syncing Echoplex with JamMan? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:45:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2003 19:45:52.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F21D6F0:01C3668A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At this year's Loopstock, Jon Wagner, Bill Walker and myself performed a "loop trio" improvisation in which my JamMan (upgraded with Bob Sellon's latest upgrade chip) was syn'd to Bill's Repeater and Jon's rig, which, if memory serves, had both a Repeater and an EDP in it. MIDI sync is possible, but it best if the JamBoy works as "slave". We exerpeienced no serious glitches or meltdowns...tho' that was a primary concern; none of nknew for sure if it would work! It is important that your JamMan be set to a corresponding MIDI-note value to the EDP, otherwise there are some loop trucations and reset dilemmas to face. (Jon and I experienced this while "experimenting" with the notion back in Jan.) I believe the EDP's MIDI clock is fairly stable, much moreso than JamDude's (although, the newest chip does seem to improve the stability of MIDI in the JamPup). Loop length may also be an issue, as you cannot take full advantge of the EDPs incredible memory (wel, you can, but the JamBoy wil glitch, cough, hiccup sputter and such...which can also be fun). If you are using any other MIDI controlled devices it is wise to use a MIDI routing matrix of some sort...or better yet a MIDI patchbay with a MIDI Filter to filter out extraneous data and commands which can choke the the MIDI clock signal. Let us know what happens....I am always intrigued by the possibilites of "multi-looping"..and hope to perform some more "loop ensemble" stuff (with JamMan sync'd to...whatever) at the Y2K3 Festival coming up in Oct! Max >From: "Chris Payne" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Syncing Echoplex with JamMan? >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:30:24 -0400 > >Hi all, newbie here! >I have an Echoplex and will be playing with somebody who has a JamMan. Has >anybody had experience syncing these together? What can I expect and what >can't I expect? > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:51:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJmGw08867; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: Subject: Article: Speakers, Musicians Both Change Their Tempo To More Closely Match Others, Study Finds Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:48:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2003 19:48:09.0433 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0FDF490:01C3668A] Resent-Message-ID: <5uCyO.A.aKC._7nQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'People change the rate at which they speak or play music to more closely match speakers or musicians they have just heard, new research suggests' http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/08/030819074058.htm bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:51:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJmsn09076; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:48:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:48:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Scared of MIDI Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:48:47 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000201c3668a$e85ee900$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3669B.ABEA02F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3669B.ABEA02F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He, he.. Extremely out of sync ;-) This happened in 1987 and there was no EDP. Only an "Ibanez hold Delay" and it got badlly infected by the frog sounds right on the spot. -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:42 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Scared of MIDI So, how did you sync the brother-in-law up with your EDP? ;) DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] >>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:35 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: Scared of MIDI >> >> >>I was playing "ambient background music" with a duo at a >>friends wedding party when the brother of the bride suddenly >>stepped up to my mic, grabbed it and uttered a loud >>BURRRRPH!!! into the PA. Since we played very silently he had >>the crowd stop eating and looking up at the ugly sound. He >>just went "oooops, so this one was ON! Oh-oh... Woo-hoo...." >>ect etc, shouting into the mic to verify he was right when >>discovering that "it is ON". I guess he was very drunk and >>never had heard of silent music before. Probably he never >>understood that we were performing there either ;-D >> >>Best wishes >> >>Per Boysen >>------------- >>www.boysen.se >>www.looproom.com >> >>> Hi Gary, >>> >>> I was playing some atmospherics before the opening of a >>> performance of the play, The Ramayana. The house lights were >>> on, and people could freely come and go... I had a nice cloud >>> moving around and inserted a few bleeps and blips. One guy in >>> Indian garb comes up and says, "That's the lonliest sound >>> I've ever heard... " Another time a woman commented that my >>> music was like the lowing of cows. Both interesting and funny >>> observations. No money though... >>> >>> -Miko >> ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3669B.ABEA02F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
He, he..  = Extremely out of=20 sync ;-)  This happened in 1987 and there was no EDP. Only an = "Ibanez hold=20 Delay" and it got badlly infected by the frog sounds right on the=20 spot.
 
-----Original = Message-----
From: Don=20 Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = August 19,=20 2003 9:42 PM
To:=20 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: RE: Scared of=20 MIDI

So, how did you sync the brother-in-law up with your = EDP?

;)

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] =
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:35 PM =
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =
>>Subject: RE: Scared of MIDI
>>
>>
>>I was playing "ambient background music" with a duo = at a=20
>>friends wedding party when the = brother of the=20 bride suddenly
>>stepped up to my mic, = grabbed=20 it and uttered a loud
>>BURRRRPH!!! = into the PA.=20 Since we played very silently he had
>>the crowd=20 stop eating and looking up at the ugly sound. He
>>just went "oooops, so this one was ON! Oh-oh... = Woo-hoo...."=20
>>ect etc, shouting into the mic to = verify he=20 was right when
>>discovering that "it = is ON". I=20 guess he was very drunk and
>>never = had heard of=20 silent music before. Probably he never
>>understood that we were performing there either = ;-D=20
>>
>>Best = wishes=20
>>
>>Per = Boysen=20
>>-------------
>>www.boysen.se
>>www.looproom.com
>>=20
>>> Hi Gary,
>>>=20
>>> I was playing some atmospherics = before=20 the opening of a
>>> performance of = the play,=20 The Ramayana. The house lights were
>>> on,=20 and people could freely come and go... I had a nice cloud =
>>> moving around and inserted a few bleeps and = blips. One guy=20 in
>>> Indian garb comes up and = says, "That's=20 the lonliest sound
>>> I've ever = heard...=20 "  Another time a woman commented that my
>>> music was like the lowing of cows. Both = interesting and=20 funny
>>> observations. No money=20 though...
>>>
>>> -Miko
>>=20

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3669B.ABEA02F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 15:57:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJsFF10300; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017401c3668b$7cc86120$7d63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308191806.h7JI6I622045@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Thank You posts DON'T OPEN THEM,,, I SUPECT THEY ARE A VIRUS Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:52:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got 35 Thank You e-mails in the mail today from actual people on my e-mail lists. DON'T OPEN THE ATTACHMENTS.................I'm almost certain that it is at least a "Good Times Virus" (one that takes up people's time based on their good will and gullibility) if not something more pernicious. You've been warned. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 16:03:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJxYt11073; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030819195927.79395.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Please get infected by my virus (was RE: Approved) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002301c3666d$9a87b800$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your guess is as good as mine. I just got home and deleted a whole queue of LD messages with attachments, noticing several familiar listmember email addresses among them, including my own, so I may be missing the explanation if someone has sent one, because I wasn't about to open any of them. It certainly didn't come from me; at the time the message was sent, I'd been at work for two hours and my computer was not online. -t- > > From: Alan Kroeger > > What is this spam on the list? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: psychle62@yahoo.com > [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:01 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Approved > > > > > > Please see the attached file for details. > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 16:04:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JJxmA11114; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Thank You posts DON'T OPEN THEM,,, I SUPECT THEY ARE A VIRUS Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:59:41 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000a01c3668c$6e1c5130$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <017401c3668b$7cc86120$7d63f93f@global> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks bro! I never open attachments ;-) But when I get my new Mac I might start opening attachments just to feel invincible ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Thank You posts DON'T OPEN THEM,,, I SUPECT THEY ARE A VIRUS > > > > I got 35 Thank You e-mails in the mail today from actual > people on my e-mail lists. > > DON'T OPEN THE ATTACHMENTS.................I'm almost certain > that it is at least a "Good Times Virus" (one that takes up > people's time based on their good will and gullibility) if > not something more pernicious. > > You've been warned. > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 16:06:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JK4NI12028; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:04:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:04:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:04:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Mark's future looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: c843cbf9 aee23e9e e8cc8617 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4ED8FFA8-D280-11D7-9B8F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3skAfC.A.w7C.HLoQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 08:09 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > too lazy to hit Overdub during Record ? :-) Yup. Got too much going on playing to want to deal with anything after the point I tell the loop to start. JamMan spoiled me. >> Touch sensitive Jog shuttle. I want to be able to manipulate my >> loop=20 >> as one would a record.so how would you like that to sound? > like a dj lining up the record sort of thing? > > I imagine a Kaos pad type controller, where as soon > as you touch it the loop stops it's normal motion, and > is "scrubbed" by the motion of your finger on the pad. > Playback resumes when you remove your finger. Yeah, pretty much exactly like that. Think of a record being scratched. I've been doing this with a Numark Axis 9 CD player, but you've got to pre-record your loop for that to work. I'd love to have that functionality on the fly. > the difficult concept is combining the multitrack idea (parallel) > with the EDP type Nextloop concept(serial) Well, we're talking the future right? Where everything is possible! I'd imagine you could have all the serial EDP functions available to each loop, plus be able to choose to run some of them parallel. >> Decay and feedback available to me at all times. Not feedback, >> which=20 >> has to wait for the end of a loop to vary the volume, but the >> ability=20 >> to have the loop decay gradually at a specified rate. Available >> while=20= >> in record, or not in record. Standard EDP style feedback as well. > > Does EDP ReplaceMode (Loop/Delay=rPL) cover this? I don't know, I'm not an EDP owner. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 16:08:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JK3IX11764; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:03:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:03:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c3668d$e556d1c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <200308191806.h7JI6I622045@hemlock.violacea.com> <017401c3668b$7cc86120$7d63f93f@global> Subject: Re: Thank You posts DON'T OPEN THEM,,, I SUPECT THEY ARE A VIRUS Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:10:11 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Tuesday, 19 August, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: Thank You posts DON'T OPEN THEM,,, I SUPECT THEY ARE A VIRUS > > I got 35 Thank You e-mails in the mail today from actual people on > my e-mail lists. > > DON'T OPEN THE ATTACHMENTS.................I'm almost certain that it is at > least > a "Good Times Virus" (one that takes up people's time based on their good > will and gullibility) > if not something more pernicious. > > You've been warned. > > yours, Rick Walker Yes - I even received one marked as being from Kim! Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 16:22:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JKJ7F13840; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030819201901.8055.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c3667e$c02cf4b0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Coupla observations that might be helpful in solving this one: I'm noticing that the supposed senders are showing up as addresses only, not as the selected outgoing name. (For example, a legit message from Rick Walker says it's from 'Rick Walker/looP.Pool', while the objectionable one just says it's from his email address.) I noticed this for mine as well, and (I think) Steve Lawson's. Webcrawler??? I don't use Outlook. I don't use an address book. My VShield is enabled and hasn't detected anything unusual. When I said I received messages with attachments, I actually meant I received messages with attachment ICONS; since I didn't attempt to open them, I'm not sure if the attachments actually made it through. I got an automated reply message from the New York Times; I've never sent anything to the New York Times. I got a returned mail/mailbox full message regarding the mailbox of someone named McKay (I believe it was; deleted it so I can't check) also to whom I've never written. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 16:22:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JKJv713966; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <4ED8FFA8-D280-11D7-9B8F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Article: World squirms as Sobig returns (or why our boxes are stuffed with virii today) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:19:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2003 20:19:50.0997 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E699850:01C3668F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "The sender appears to be someone from a recognized domain name, such as ibm.com, zdnet.com or microsoft.com. The subject line typically says "Re: Details," "Resume" or "Thank you.". Attachment names may include: your_document.pif, details.pif, your_details.pif, thank_you.pif, movie0045.pif, document_Fall.pif, application.pif, and document_9446.pif. " http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-5065494.html bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Mark's future looper > On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 08:09 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > > > too lazy to hit Overdub during Record ? :-) > > Yup. Got too much going on playing to want to deal with anything after > the point I tell the loop to start. JamMan spoiled me. > > >> Touch sensitive Jog shuttle. I want to be able to manipulate my > >> loop=20 > >> as one would a record.so how would you like that to sound? > > like a dj lining up the record sort of thing? > > > > I imagine a Kaos pad type controller, where as soon > > as you touch it the loop stops it's normal motion, and > > is "scrubbed" by the motion of your finger on the pad. > > Playback resumes when you remove your finger. > > Yeah, pretty much exactly like that. Think of a record being > scratched. I've been doing this with a Numark Axis 9 CD player, but > you've got to pre-record your loop for that to work. I'd love to have > that functionality on the fly. > > > the difficult concept is combining the multitrack idea (parallel) > > with the EDP type Nextloop concept(serial) > > Well, we're talking the future right? Where everything is possible! > I'd imagine you could have all the serial EDP functions available to > each loop, plus be able to choose to run some of them parallel. > > >> Decay and feedback available to me at all times. Not feedback, > >> which=20 > >> has to wait for the end of a loop to vary the volume, but the > >> ability=20 > >> to have the loop decay gradually at a specified rate. Available > >> while=20= > >> in record, or not in record. Standard EDP style feedback as well. > > > > Does EDP ReplaceMode (Loop/Delay=rPL) cover this? > > I don't know, I'm not an EDP owner. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 16:29:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JKRqC15720; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:27:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:27:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030819202746.58690.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Article: World squirms as Sobig returns (or why our boxes are stuffed with virii today) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks bIz, There's this too: -t- --- sserendipity wrote: > http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-5065494.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 16:32:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JKS6115787; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:28:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:28:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4288D4.6030400@quik.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:30:12 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I'm clean! Re: Thank you! References: <200308191550.h7JFoTW22217@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200308191550.h7JFoTW22217@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dgoat@quik.com wrote: > Please see the attached file for details. Well, no I did't write this. And to hopefully put some folks mind to ease, I ran the removal tool -- http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.c.removal.tool.html -- on my system, and it was not infected. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 16:38:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JKXwQ17189; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:33:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: I'm clean! Re: Thank you! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:33:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c36691$1aa0c220$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3F4288D4.6030400@quik.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7JKXvW17166 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems that the culprit has either gone offline or has fixed the problem as there seems to be no activity anymore. -----Original Message----- From: dgoat [mailto:dgoat@quik.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 4:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I'm clean! Re: Thank you! dgoat@quik.com wrote: > Please see the attached file for details. Well, no I did't write this. And to hopefully put some folks mind to ease, I ran the removal tool -- http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.c.removal. tool.html -- on my system, and it was not infected. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 17:03:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JKxe920339; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:59:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:59:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:59:34 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Please get infected by my virus (was RE: Approved) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 762eafa2 aee23e9e e8cc8617 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002301c3666d$9a87b800$250710ac@ws42554> Message-Id: <09494EE7-D288-11D7-9B8F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, idiot PC owners who don't bother to run anti virus programs. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 09:19 AM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > DUCK!!!! > > *ducking* > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:06 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Approved >> >> >> What is this spam on the list? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: psychle62@yahoo.com [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:01 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Approved >> >> >> Please see the attached file for details. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 17:13:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JL9ZM22006; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:09:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:09:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c36696$07968b60$a69d5b0c@rockstaryu0fkj> From: "redrum123" To: References: Subject: Re: Per's ideas for a dream software looper --> Reaktor? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:06:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I may be misunderstanding, but with the EDP, substitute works like this. Replaces whatever was in the loop with what you are playing. Just stop substituting, and you have what you just played. Of course you would want to turn Output volume off, and flick it up when you have what you want. My wish seems possible on the EDP (winkwinkLoopV), to be able to re-cyclize a loop. I.E. A ten second loop that you can split into 4 cycles, or a 4 cycle loop treated as 8 cycles. Or, one could just make all functions work with 8thnote quantize, I remember some don't (like stuttermode). -gsc. > That's a really good idea, and I've had this idea for video for a long > time. A small portable camera that's recording all the time. Filling > a buffer that continuously gets dumped. When you give it a command, it > then saves what was last in the buffer and stores it to a non volatile > memory, and starts the process again. You could preset the buffer > size. I imagine the same thing could happen with audio except you > could have it loop. Great idea Emile. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 17:27:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JLO8f23851; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:24:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c701c36698$0f2549f0$a69d5b0c@rockstaryu0fkj> From: "redrum123" To: Subject: EDP Feedback Pedal Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:21:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thinking of splurging and picking up a pedal for the feedback/input/output volume aspect of the EDP. Any recommendations/reviews? Any hint as to what kind of pedal it actually needs (I have no idea)? I'm also interested in getting a pedal for the Parameters button. Any information? peace -gsc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 18:43:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JMekW00549; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:40:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:40:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c366a2$eb96ce90$6101a8c0@Main> From: To: References: <00c701c36698$0f2549f0$a69d5b0c@rockstaryu0fkj> Subject: Type of looping machine Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:40:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right now I am using a JamMan. Is there a looping machine out there where I can lay down several loops at one time and then remove separate loops one at a time? For instance: Loop 1 Loop 2 Loop 3 Loop 4 Loop 5 Remove Loop 3 Loop 1 Loop 2 Loop 4 Loop 5 Remove Loop 1 etc. Thanks, I hope I made myself clear Thanks, Daniel Nashville, TN "Who let the dogs out?" "I did!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 18:49:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JMjpd01155; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:45:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:45:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030819153319.041bf008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:47:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: I'm clean! Re: Thank you! In-Reply-To: <000c01c36691$1aa0c220$0200a8c0@akadev.com> References: <3F4288D4.6030400@quik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've wasted most of my day so far downloading and deleting many thousands of these virus messages and cleaning up the mess on my server. Whoever it was that opened the virus (and there are more than one of you here), thanks a lot morons! These things have been going around for YEARS now. FIGURE IT OUT. Let me give you some advice on how to clean the virus off your computer and prevent any future infections: 1. Locate the power button on your computer. 2. Set it to the "off" position. 3. Disconnect all cables for power, internet, etc. 4. Pick up your computer and go outside. 5. Locate your garbage bin. 6. Place your computer inside the bin. 7. Never, ever, under any circumstances, buy or use another computer. Thank you. kim p.s., please don't send me yet more mail with apologies or lame defenses or whatever. Unless you are letting me know that a check is on the way for 6 hours of my hourly rate, I'm really in no mood to hear from you. At 01:33 PM 8/19/2003, Alan Kroeger wrote: >It seems that the culprit has either gone offline or has fixed the problem >as there seems to be no activity anymore. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 19:07:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JN4Ic03006; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:04:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:05:01 -0700 Subject: Re: I'm clean! Re: Thank you! From: Larry Stites To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030819153319.041bf008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, go girl! I couldn't agree more - most of us after years of experience can spot these spams a mile off - when in doubt delete it out. LS > From: Kim Flint > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:47:58 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: I'm clean! Re: Thank you! > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:46:33 -0400 > > I've wasted most of my day so far downloading and deleting many thousands > of these virus messages and cleaning up the mess on my server. Whoever it > was that opened the virus (and there are more than one of you here), thanks > a lot morons! These things have been going around for YEARS now. FIGURE IT > OUT. > > Let me give you some advice on how to clean the virus off your computer and > prevent any future infections: > > 1. Locate the power button on your computer. > 2. Set it to the "off" position. > 3. Disconnect all cables for power, internet, etc. > 4. Pick up your computer and go outside. > 5. Locate your garbage bin. > 6. Place your computer inside the bin. > 7. Never, ever, under any circumstances, buy or use another computer. > > Thank you. > > kim > > p.s., please don't send me yet more mail with apologies or lame defenses or > whatever. Unless you are letting me know that a check is on the way for 6 > hours of my hourly rate, I'm really in no mood to hear from you. > > At 01:33 PM 8/19/2003, Alan Kroeger wrote: >> It seems that the culprit has either gone offline or has fixed the problem >> as there seems to be no activity anymore. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 19:57:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7JNn7008192; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:49:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:49:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014b01c366ac$9c0e0b40$c1510b3e@dama> From: "Massimo Palermo_Tiscali" To: References: Subject: Re: eigenradio... Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:50:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0148_01C366BD.5EF4F5F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4m3FeC.A.1_B.ydrQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C366BD.5EF4F5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try this address on Real Player: http://eigenradio.media.mit.edu:8000 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fsksync@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 6:13 AM Subject: Re: eigenradio... Was this "Eigenradio" a joke, or what? My browser's broke so I can't = get beyond my email, but none of my friends that I forwarded it to could = ever hear anything... Best, Tim F In a message dated 8/11/03 9:50:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = sine@zerocrossing.net writes: Many talk about trying to market their music to a larger audience, = but=20 the industrious people at MIT have put their CPU cycles where their=20 money is and have come up with Statistically Optimal Music. = Enjoy... Begin forwarded message: >"Eigenradio makes its optimal music by analyzing in real time = dozens=20 >of radio stations at once. When our bank of computers has heard = enough=20 >music, it will go to work on making more just like it. Since we = listen=20 >to so much music all the time, Eigenradio is always on and always=20 >live. What you hear on Eigenradio is the best of the New Music,=20 >distilled and de-correlated. One song on Eigenradio is worth at = least=20 >twenty songs on old radio." > >http://eigenradio.media.mit.edu/ ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C366BD.5EF4F5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Try this address on Real Player: http://eigenradio.media.mit= .edu:8000
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fsksync@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 = 6:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: = eigenradio...

Was this "Eigenradio" a joke, or what? My = browser's broke=20 so I can't get beyond my email, but none of my friends that I = forwarded it to=20 could ever hear anything...

Best,

Tim F


In a = message=20 dated 8/11/03 9:50:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net = writes:

Many talk about trying to market their music to a larger = audience, but
the industrious people at MIT have put their CPU = cycles=20 where their
money is and have come up with Statistically Optimal = Music.  Enjoy...


Begin forwarded = message:
>"Eigenradio=20 makes its optimal music by analyzing in real time dozens
>of = radio=20 stations at once. When our bank of computers has heard enough =
>music,=20 it will go to work on making more just like it. Since we listen =
>to=20 so much music all the time, Eigenradio is always on and always =
>live.=20 What you hear on Eigenradio is the best of the New Music, =
>distilled=20 and de-correlated. One song on Eigenradio is worth at least =
>twenty=20 songs on old=20 = radio."
>
>http://eigenradio.media.mit.edu/



 ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C366BD.5EF4F5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 21:03:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K0xkM14755; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.22cccc1e.2c7421fa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:59:38 EDT Subject: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my ineko arrived today from m.f. in an appropriately sized box, i am amazed at how small the unit is (5.75"x1.75"x5.50").....it is not a box that lends itself well to live looping (tm) at least in terms of navigation of the presets.....no memory (user patches), no midi.....i had it sitting on my leg as i was playing with it, it can keep ya warm on a cold day, i like that.....i haven't even scratched the surface of this unit but i feel that it is well worth the $74.00 i paid for it (shipping included).....mr. rick was so right, big bang for the buck.....i'm a sucker for detuning, with this you can have the original sound and have different "harmonys" on both the left and right channels, maddness!.....that and the ring modulator alone are worth the price of admission.....it sounds very clean to me and i like the stereoness of it.....now i have to figure out where to place it in my signal chain.....hmmmmmm.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 21:08:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K12pT15088; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:02:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:02:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <95.31786076.2c7422b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:02:40 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_95.31786076.2c7422b0_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_95.31786076.2c7422b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, some ISP's are trying to scan everything automatically now. Amazingly, AOL's system seems to be working (I've finally seen AOL do something right; someone please shoot me so I can die happy now) as none of the attachments made it through to my mailbox. Tim F In a message dated 8/19/03 11:16:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sean@loomwebdesign.com writes: > I don't get the attachments either - some ISPs must be intervening on > behalf of users... > > > At 02:14 PM 2003/08/19 -0400, David Beardsley wrote: > > >I'm not getting an attachment with these messages. I haven't > >noticed anything unusual yet and I've restarted my PC a few > >times since I started getting these messages. > > --part1_95.31786076.2c7422b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, some ISP's are trying to scan everything automati= cally now. Amazingly, AOL's system seems to be working (I've finally seen AO= L do something right; someone please shoot me so I can die happy now) as non= e of the attachments made it through to my mailbox.

Tim F


In a message dated 8/19/03 11:16:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sean@loomwebde= sign.com writes:

I don't get the attachments eit= her - some ISPs must be intervening on behalf of users...


At 02:14 PM 2003/08/19 -0400, David Beardsley wrote:

>I'm not getting an attachment with these messages. I haven't
>noticed anything unusual yet and I've restarted my PC a few
>times since I started getting these messages.






 --part1_95.31786076.2c7422b0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 21:08:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K16D115546; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009801c366a2$eb96ce90$6101a8c0@Main> References: <00c701c36698$0f2549f0$a69d5b0c@rockstaryu0fkj> <009801c366a2$eb96ce90$6101a8c0@Main> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:05:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Type of looping machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:40 PM -0500 8/19/03, wrote: >Is there a looping machine out there where I can lay down several loops at >one time and then remove separate loops one at a time? You can do this on a Repeater or an Orville. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 21:46:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K1iBd19217; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:44:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:44:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.3008a3a2.2c742c60@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:44:00 EDT Subject: scared of looping! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12f.3008a3a2.2c742c60_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12f.3008a3a2.2c742c60_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had some fool (actually an employee) come up and burp into a live mic whil= e=20 I was running a dual-revox loop freakout at work once=A0 (I used to run the=20 sound dept at a large Oceanarium/Theme Park) and we had some pretty sweet mu= sic=20 going (with an arp pro soloist analog synth and pocket casios). It was a=20 particularly juicy burp, and it went round and round- my philosophy prevente= d me=20 from stopping the performance (this was 1984- no undo functions!). I think t= he=20 park patrons were too disoriented by the pre-burp spectacle to get too upset= by=20 The Eternal Belch. The tape still survives; when I hear it, sometimes I laug= h,=20 sometimes I stick a pin in a little doll... Tim F PS Sorry Per, I don't know how my first attempt to post this went directly t= o=20 your mailbox... --part1_12f.3008a3a2.2c742c60_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had some fool (actually an employee) come up and bur= p into a live mic while I was running a dual-revox loop freakout at work onc= e=A0 (I used to run the sound dept at a large Oceanarium/Theme Park) and we=20= had some pretty sweet music going (with an arp pro soloist analog synth and=20= pocket casios). It was a particularly juicy burp, and it went round and roun= d- my philosophy prevented me from stopping the performance (this was 1984-=20= no undo functions!). I think the park patrons were too disoriented by the pr= e-burp spectacle to get too upset by The Eternal Belch. The tape still survi= ves; when I hear it, sometimes I laugh, sometimes I stick a pin in a little=20= doll...

Tim F

PS Sorry Per, I don't know how my first attempt to post this went directly t= o your mailbox... --part1_12f.3008a3a2.2c742c60_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 22:36:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K2ZDu23539; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:35:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:35:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c366c3$ab941390$6101a8c0@Main> From: To: References: <00c701c36698$0f2549f0$a69d5b0c@rockstaryu0fkj> <009801c366a2$eb96ce90$6101a8c0@Main> Subject: Re: Type of looping machine Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:35:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > You can do this on a Repeater or an Orville. > -- Do you know of a web site or info where I can research one of these? Thanks Daniel Nashville, TN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 22:44:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K2hXw24347; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:43:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: illness@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030819090307.017cd2b8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030819090307.017cd2b8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:02:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike iLL Subject: please remove Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey y'all, please remove me from this list. i can't keep up with all of these emails, and my old laptop (dial-up connection) is getting worn out. it's been really great being involved in the community and i hope to get back with you all. peace and blessings. mike >Yippee!! I'm approved!!! Thank you soooo much! I've been seeking >some sort of affirmant for so long... -- Mad haPPy http://www.madhappy.tv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 19 23:09:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K369Q26664; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:06:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:06:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: alesis ineko Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:05:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <16f.22cccc1e.2c7421fa@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya, this unit is cool for the money but not anything I would "alter" during a performance. I used it Saturday during my marathon 8 hour set in Ojai--just for reverb. I ran thru some of the presets before the gig and convinced everybody there I was looney--but you guys know I am normal to a fault, right? I will keep this unit and use it a variety of situations but it's not gonna replace anything (guess I won't sell my SPX just yet) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 01:47:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K5gHf09166; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:42:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:42:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:42:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Type of looping machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007801c366c3$ab941390$6101a8c0@Main> Message-Id: <1824E256-D2D1-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.google.com On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 07:35 PM, wrote: >> >> You can do this on a Repeater or an Orville. >> -- > > Do you know of a web site or info where I can research one of these? > > Thanks > Daniel > Nashville, TN > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 03:28:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K7Nad16754; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:23:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1a5.1824f23b.2c747bf1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:23:29 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Per's ideas---> re-cyclize To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <4FFnTB.A.pFE.4HyQ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My wish seems possible on the EDP (winkwinkLoopV), to be able to re-cyclize > a loop. I.E. A ten second loop that you can split into 4 cycles, or a 4 > cycle loop treated as 8 cycles. Or, one could just make all functions work > with 8thnote quantize, I remember some don't (like stuttermode). > the re-cyclize thing was something David Torn asked for way back, ...and 8th Quantise was implemented (partly) in response to this. The way to re-cyclize your loops with Loop4 is to do Mult>>Rec (unrounded multiply) to get your new cycle length, then multiply again to get back your original loop length, then hit a LONG Undo and see how much of your original loop comes back. Not ideal of course, as you hear the short loop for a while, and what you get is somewhat unpredictable. There may be times when you want to multiply the new short cycle to longer than the original loop at first, to ensure that part of that loop is the bit you want. Then Multiply again to keep just that bit. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 03:49:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K7gef18199; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:42:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Re: Per's ideas---> re-cyclize Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:42:29 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <002701c366ee$9dd3aa10$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1a5.1824f23b.2c747bf1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > > My wish seems possible on the EDP (winkwinkLoopV), to be able to > > re-cyclize a loop. I.E. A ten second loop that you can > split into 4 > > cycles, or a 4 cycle loop treated as 8 cycles. Or, one could just > > make all functions work with 8thnote quantize, I remember > some don't > > (like stuttermode). > > > > the re-cyclize thing was something David Torn asked for way > back, ...and 8th Quantise was implemented (partly) in > response to this. > > The way to re-cyclize your loops with Loop4 is to do > Mult>>Rec (unrounded multiply) to get your new cycle length, > then multiply again to get back your original loop length, > then hit a LONG Undo and see how much of your original loop > comes back. Not ideal of course, as you hear the short loop > for a while, and what you get is somewhat unpredictable. Mult>>Rec is something I have found myself doing more and more, lately. The hardest part though is to implement the resulting tempo change, in slaved devices, in a musical way. I like to use the EDP as midi clock sync master. But stuff like this is what makes the EDP so nice ;-) Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 03:53:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K7mVJ18824; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:48:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1a0.193e0cb1.2c7481cc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:48:28 EDT Subject: Re: Syncing Echoplex with JamMan? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi all, newbie here! > I have an Echoplex and will be playing with somebody who has a JamMan. Has > anybody had experience syncing these together? What can I expect and what > can't I expect? the (original software) JamMan glitches at the loop start when used as a slave, but this might not be a problem for you. .........maybe better to use JamMan as master because of this. (which would mean EDP sync=In) The JamMan note number needs to be half the 8th/cycle no. of the EDP if you want the JamMan loop length equal to the EDP cycle length. You can Multiply your EDP and stay in sync. If your friend uses delay mode on the JamMan (which is the way to get feedback control) then you can't sync. have fun andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 05:04:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K8xQJ24416; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:59:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:59:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: FW: EDP Feedback Pedal Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:00:40 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a bespeco VM14L which works ok. Its specs say that the potentiometer has a resistance of 22 kOhm. e.g. http://www.juniorsmusic.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=JMI &Product_Code=VM14L When googling it, it appears to be mostly used in Europe, not so much in the US. But the Salesperson told me that it's the same as the Boss FV50L. BTW, I appreciate that the EDP assigns the volume pedal to the input volume in the Delay Mode. This allows you to do "swells into the delay line" as the manual puts it. I'd been trying to this before and ended up with a solution that required an additional mixer. It works fine. But now, the EDP does it for me without other additional gear. Swell. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: redrum123 [mailto:redrum123@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Dienstag, 19. August 2003 23:22 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP Feedback Pedal > > > I'm thinking of splurging and picking up a pedal for the > feedback/input/output volume aspect of the EDP. Any > recommendations/reviews? Any hint as to what kind of pedal it actually > needs (I have no idea)? > > I'm also interested in getting a pedal for the Parameters button. Any > information? > > peace > -gsc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 05:25:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7K9NXD26601; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:23:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:23:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: Pedal for Parameters Button (was RE: EDP Feedback Pedal) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:24:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00c701c36698$0f2549f0$a69d5b0c@rockstaryu0fkj> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedal for Parameters Button: The section in the EDP manual states: "The only button missing on the footcontroller is the Parameters button, which takes you out of Play mode and lets you edit parameters. We felt that it would be inappropriate to put this button on the footcontroller, as it might take you to an unexpected place if pressed accidentally during a performance. If you are electro-mechanically adept and wish to build a footpedal incorporating this button, you can obtain instructions in how to do so by contacting Gibson technical support at the number in the front of this manual." (http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/Echoplex.html#2.2) Email Echoplex questions here: shane.radtke@gibson.com Contact: Gibson Strings & Accessories 1150 Bowes Rd. Elgin, Il 60123 (847) 741-7315 (800) 544-2766 toll-free (847) 741-4644 FAX (http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/contactinfo.html) If you happen to find something: Could you post the results on this list? Thanx Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: redrum123 [mailto:redrum123@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Dienstag, 19. August 2003 23:22 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP Feedback Pedal > > > I'm thinking of splurging and picking up a pedal for the > feedback/input/output volume aspect of the EDP. Any > recommendations/reviews? Any hint as to what kind of pedal it actually > needs (I have no idea)? > > I'm also interested in getting a pedal for the Parameters button. Any > information? > > peace > -gsc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 07:49:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KBlIH06651; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:47:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F6519@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> From: "Jonah, Jim" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:47:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Possibly it's a variant of this worm... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=74&ncid=74&e=1&u=/cmp/200308 20/tc_cmp/13100688 Basically it's spoofing the return to address so that it looks like it came from someone other than who it actually came from. So, even though it looks like it came from Steve Lawson, most likely it didn't. Which makes it that much harder to track down who actually is infected. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 4:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mystery virus? (was Re: Approved) Coupla observations that might be helpful in solving this one: I'm noticing that the supposed senders are showing up as addresses only, not as the selected outgoing name. (For example, a legit message from Rick Walker says it's from 'Rick Walker/looP.Pool', while the objectionable one just says it's from his email address.) I noticed this for mine as well, and (I think) Steve Lawson's. Webcrawler??? I don't use Outlook. I don't use an address book. My VShield is enabled and hasn't detected anything unusual. When I said I received messages with attachments, I actually meant I received messages with attachment ICONS; since I didn't attempt to open them, I'm not sure if the attachments actually made it through. I got an automated reply message from the New York Times; I've never sent anything to the New York Times. I got a returned mail/mailbox full message regarding the mailbox of someone named McKay (I believe it was; deleted it so I can't check) also to whom I've never written. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 08:46:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KCiaf12561; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:44:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:44:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb2094SAdFFGt0XoEgZwBdi/MZN1Xwn41w+X1e86wp3jQNl32nHANGR Message-ID: <004b01c36718$b00501a0$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: DL4 Volume Question Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:43:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently picked up a used Line 6 DL4. I'm experiencing something that I'm not sure is correct. Whenever I turn on the effect, I get a slight volume boost. It's not huge but it is loud enough to notice. And loud enough to effect my playing. Is this normal? If it is, is there any way to turn the gain down so it's normalized? Thanks, Leon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 09:07:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KD2oh14792; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:02:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:02:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1061383478!1258816 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB46C@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Type of looping machine Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:41:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36718.5E1CFD20" Resent-Message-ID: <-WoRUC.A._mD.6F3Q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36718.5E1CFD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Right now I am using a JamMan. Is there a looping machine out there where I can lay down several loops at one time and then remove separate loops one at a time? For instance: Loop 1 Loop 2 Loop 3 Loop 4 Loop 5 Remove Loop 3 Loop 1 Loop 2 Loop 4 Loop 5 Remove Loop 1<< have a look at bob sellon's jam-man upgrade software- it might be what you're looking for without turning your life upside down..... I have upgrades for my two jam-things, but our guitarist is worried that he won't be able to handle the changes. it does stuff like allowing several loops to run in parallel, panning loops to different stereo positions (!- I didn't think the basic hardware would allow this, but it does) and switching back and forth from echo>loop (my favourite) and some pseudo-sampler stuff that he calls mellotron mode. my mellotron would be sniffy about this if it knew.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>Right now I am using a JamMan.

Is there a looping machine out there where I can lay down= several loops at
one time and then remove separate loops one at a time?

For instance:

Loop 1
Loop 2
Loop 3
Loop 4
Loop 5

Remove Loop 3

Loop 1
Loop 2
Loop 4
Loop 5

Remove Loop 1<<

have a look at bob sellon's jam-man upgrade software- it = might be what you're looking for without turning your life upside down.....= I have upgrades for my two jam-things, but our guitarist is worried that h= e won't be able to handle the changes. it does stuff like allowing several = loops to run in parallel, panning loops to different stereo positions (!- I= didn't think the basic hardware would allow this, but it does) and switchi= ng back and forth from echo>loop (my favourite) and some pseudo-sampler = stuff that he calls mellotron mode. my mellotron would be sniffy about this= if it knew....


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C36718.5E1CFD20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 10:44:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KEdwg28997; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:39:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:39:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.151.43.5] X-Originating-Email: [martijn_2m@hotmail.com] From: "Martijn 2M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4 Volume Question Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:39:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2003 14:39:52.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA5C5BE0:01C36728] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Whenever I turn on the effect, I get a slight volume boost. It's not huge >but it is loud enough to notice. And loud enough to effect my playing. >Is this normal? If it is, is there any way to turn the gain down so it's >normalized? >Thanks, >Leon I have the DL4 as well, but the symptom you described don't happen with my DL4. Some things I can think of : when you use stereo out or in , the levels might be affected because the output is evenly devided over de 2 outputs, and in bypass mode that might not be the case. Are you using 2 outputs or inputs ? The other thing that might be affecting your sound is the setting of the MIX dial. This mixes the delay sound with the direct sound, and should only be able to lower your volume once the effect is on. But perhaps its the effect itself that is boosted and not your direct signal ? Good luck, Martijn _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 11:13:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KFAjt00927; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:10:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaPRJAGM7CBSoHyMEMhSvBSoGH/ZBASxld/76e/CRI6cFBa9hhS3ei5 Message-ID: <007601c3672d$199525a0$6501a8c0@ldroby> From: "LeonD" To: References: Subject: Re: DL4 Volume Question Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:05:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <9IsLYB.A.UO.194Q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the reply. I'm using it mono in and mono out. I tried changing the mix setting but it doesn't matter. The output is hot no matter where the mix is. Leon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn 2M" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: Re: DL4 Volume Question > >Whenever I turn on the effect, I get a slight volume boost. It's not huge > >but it is loud enough to notice. And loud enough to effect my playing. > >Is this normal? If it is, is there any way to turn the gain down so it's > >normalized? > >Thanks, > >Leon > > I have the DL4 as well, but the symptom you described don't happen with my > DL4. > Some things I can think of : when you use stereo out or in , the levels > might be affected because the output is evenly devided over de 2 outputs, > and in bypass mode that might not be the case. Are you using 2 outputs or > inputs ? The other thing that might be affecting your sound is the setting > of the MIX dial. This mixes the delay sound with the direct sound, and > should only be able to lower your volume once the effect is on. But perhaps > its the effect itself that is boosted and not your direct signal ? > > Good luck, > Martijn > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 11:44:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KFeHF06595; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:40:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:40:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.151.43.5] X-Originating-Email: [martijn_2m@hotmail.com] From: "Martijn 2M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4 Volume Question Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:40:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2003 15:40:11.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[57788340:01C36731] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Leon, What kind of bypass mode do you use ? True Bypass or un-true ? This might be the difference. The manual explains how to switch bypass modes. MM _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 12:10:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KG6ZZ14653; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:06:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: DL4 Volume Question Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c36734$a2c7cfb0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0cTxND.A.xkD.Ky5Q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bad mix pot? Unfortunately, the Line 6 gear has pot and switch failures from time to time. They are pretty nice guys though, often sending replacement parts at decent prices. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Martijn 2M [mailto:martijn_2m@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4 Volume Question Leon, What kind of bypass mode do you use ? True Bypass or un-true ? This might be the difference. The manual explains how to switch bypass modes. MM _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 13:02:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KGvrs22481; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:57:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:57:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: relofter From: ernesto schnack MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:57:40 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.smartelectronix.com/~andreas/index.php?nav=9&p=5&kat=0 searched the archives, and seem noone has mentioned this. Far from ideal, but fun. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 13:48:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KHgp228869; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F651E@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> From: "Jonah, Jim" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ableton live questions Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:42:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <-Lw_5C.A.8CH.bM7Q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know several of you answered that you are using Live, so I'm looking for a little more detail on exactly how you're using it and if you're happy with it, etc. How well does this work for live looping? My initial goal would be to play multiple simple loops (not reversing/cutting/slicing and dicing loops) that repeat endlessly and/or repeat x number of times with/without decay over the top of pre-programmed sections of songs and at will move on to the next "scene". Also (OT), are any of you mixing audio and midi (soft synths/soft drum machines) using Live? If so, what are you using for midi instruments (drums/synths/etc)? If you're using Reason, are you using any other VST plug-ins? If so, using what host (since it appears that Live doesn't really handle midi, other than controller elements - or am I reading the docs/using the demo version wrong)? Are you able to keep the looseness of the arrangment while rewired to Reason (i.e. will Reason, or whatever else you're using, jump from pattern to pattern as Live moves from scene to scene?) Thanks! Jim The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 14:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KIXeC04317; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:33:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c36749$8f061580$6601010a@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F651E@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> Subject: Re: ableton live questions Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:33:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all; I've been using Live as my primary looping device since I replaced my RC-20 with it a while back, and I've found it to be quite workable. I've got the following setup: - Live & Reason (slaves off of Live, following tempo and start-stop assignments) running on a windows XP laptop, with an M-audio quattro audio interface (4-in, 4-out); - MIDI control via 49-key midiman keystation & a Drumkat DK10; - a 6-stereo-input, 2-zone line mixer, for mixing in guitar, mic'd instruments and turntables; Pros and cons: Pro: - Live provides automatic locking to tempo for loop record/playback -- loops of different lengths display as clock sweeps with repetition counters during playback, so you can easily see where you are in each loop, and how long you have until it ends; - effectively infinite number of loops/tracks -- this comes in handy when using Reason -- you can assign a base of devices in Reason to its own mixer, and main output, and then directly assign various other "solo" instruments directly to individual Live tracks. - assignable MIDI and keyboard shortcuts -- I've assigned each track's "arm" and "record start/stop" for each clip slot to MIDI keys on one channel. Since clip recording picks up at the beginning of the next bar, this makes throwing in a new loop pretty seamless. - VST effects -- though these can suck down processing power, I've recently discovered the wonderful world of freeware VST effects, many of which actually don't suck. Effects params can also be assigned to MIDI control, which is nice. Since Reason doesn't accept VST plug-ins, playing Reason thru Live, and applying effects, is a nice workaround. - Graphical interface -- the ability to cut-and-paste, drag-and-drop, etc, makes all the difference -- the interface is intuitive and easy to pick up. - Tempo shift without pitch change -- their "Warp audio" control is pretty slick -- the ability to micromanage the quantization of clips of audio is pretty nifty too. Cons: - not enough controls are assignable to MIDI -- for example, version 2.0 added a tap tempo, but it's only mouse-clickable, not MIDI-assignable. I'd love to have this connected to a spare drum pad. - no real feedback control -- once you start a loop, gracefully rolling it off is a challenge. While the system does have assignable crossfaders, raising interesting possibilties, it's still tough to get blends to work well sometimes. - As with most (all?) software, the occasional crash or audio drop-out comes with the territory; Overall, I think it's a great tool for Live looping, as long as you spend the time to get accquainted with it (as with any instrument), and set up a decent template, with MIDI assignments that make sense to you, ahead of time. I'm thinking that a pocket fader or Evolution U-control would make a good addition, since the most tedious mousework involved in the program tends to be tweaking levels (and other params). HTH, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonah, Jim" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: ableton live questions > I know several of you answered that you are using Live, so I'm looking for a > little more detail on exactly how you're using it and if you're happy with > it, etc. > > How well does this work for live looping? My initial goal would be to play > multiple simple loops (not reversing/cutting/slicing and dicing loops) that > repeat endlessly and/or repeat x number of times with/without decay over the > top of pre-programmed sections of songs and at will move on to the next > "scene". > > Also (OT), are any of you mixing audio and midi (soft synths/soft drum > machines) using Live? If so, what are you using for midi instruments > (drums/synths/etc)? If you're using Reason, are you using any other VST > plug-ins? If so, using what host (since it appears that Live doesn't really > handle midi, other than controller elements - or am I reading the docs/using > the demo version wrong)? Are you able to keep the looseness of the > arrangment while rewired to Reason (i.e. will Reason, or whatever else > you're using, jump from pattern to pattern as Live moves from scene to > scene?) > > Thanks! > > Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 15:10:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KJ8CE09849; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:06:59 -0700 Subject: sf magazine article on looper people From: To: looper people Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i dont know if these guys are on this list-but they should B: http://www.eccentricdesign.org/LOOP.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 15:27:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KJOYI12666; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:24:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:24:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030820121557.023915e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:26:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Pedal for Parameters Button (was RE: EDP Feedback Pedal) In-Reply-To: References: <00c701c36698$0f2549f0$a69d5b0c@rockstaryu0fkj> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:24 AM 8/20/2003, Bernhard Wagner wrote: >Pedal for Parameters Button: >The section in the EDP manual states >If you are electro-mechanically adept and wish to build a >footpedal incorporating this button, you can obtain instructions in how to >do so by contacting Gibson technical support at the number in the front of >this manual." >If you happen to find something: Could you post the results on this list? Hi- That info is available at the Looper's Delight web site, in the EDP footpedal tutorial: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html There was a resistor value assigned for doing the Parameter button from the footpedal, so you could try to make one as the instructions suggest. However, the sad thing is it doesn't work reliably. One person did make a parameter pedal in a different way, by wiring up a switch in parallel with the actual button on the front panel. So that is a possibility. On the other hand, if you use MIDI there is a midi command for the parameter button and that works just fine. That's much easier. Also if you have LoopIV in your echoplex, you can use the Presets function to easily change parameter sets without needing to go into the parameter editing. It's much faster. This can be done from the regular footpedal, or again much more easily with midi by simply using program change commands. Then you probably wouldn't need the parameter footpedal at all. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 17:33:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KLVYX00496; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:31:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:31:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:31:27 -0700 Subject: from the zerocrossing archives... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 0f85d6ad aee23e9e 42c54e9c 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3CgIRD.A.pH.2i-Q_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found this on my hard drive and I realized I had never posted it anywhere. I think I thought I'd go back and work on it more, but I thought it sounded pretty good as it was: http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/spirits_like_birds.mp3 make up your own mind... Enjoy! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 18:04:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KLrbH03775; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:53:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:53:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F651E@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> <007f01c36749$8f061580$6601010a@BARNEY> Subject: Re: ableton live questions Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:53:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2003 21:53:31.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EB0F530:01C36765] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > - As with most (all?) software, the occasional crash or audio drop-out comes > with the territory; > This is debatable. As a rule of thumb, you shouldn't be running your cpu at more than 65% capacity during mission critical use. At least, that's the rule we use for the encoding servers at work. Between Live and Reason, do you have any headroom to spare? All bets are off when you are running Cubase however. That damn doggy P.O.S is going to click and pop no matter what you do. I still love it though :> bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: Re: ableton live questions > Hey all; > > I've been using Live as my primary looping device since I replaced my RC-20 > with it a while back, and I've found it to be quite workable. I've got the > following setup: > > - Live & Reason (slaves off of Live, following tempo and start-stop > assignments) running on a windows XP laptop, with an M-audio quattro audio > interface (4-in, 4-out); > - MIDI control via 49-key midiman keystation & a Drumkat DK10; > - a 6-stereo-input, 2-zone line mixer, for mixing in guitar, mic'd > instruments and turntables; > > Pros and cons: > > Pro: > - Live provides automatic locking to tempo for loop record/playback -- loops > of different > lengths display as clock sweeps with repetition counters during playback, so > you can easily see where you are in each loop, and how long you have until > it ends; > > - effectively infinite number of loops/tracks -- this comes in handy when > using Reason -- you can assign a base of devices in Reason to its own mixer, > and main output, and then directly assign various other "solo" instruments > directly to individual Live tracks. > > - assignable MIDI and keyboard shortcuts -- I've assigned each track's "arm" > and "record start/stop" for each clip slot to MIDI keys on one channel. > Since clip recording picks up at the beginning of the next bar, this makes > throwing in a new loop pretty seamless. > > - VST effects -- though these can suck down processing power, I've recently > discovered the wonderful world of freeware VST effects, many of which > actually don't suck. Effects params can also be assigned to MIDI control, > which is nice. Since Reason doesn't accept VST plug-ins, playing Reason > thru Live, and applying effects, is a nice workaround. > > - Graphical interface -- the ability to cut-and-paste, drag-and-drop, etc, > makes all the difference -- the interface is intuitive and easy to pick up. > > - Tempo shift without pitch change -- their "Warp audio" control is pretty > slick -- the ability to micromanage the quantization of clips of audio is > pretty nifty too. > > Cons: > - not enough controls are assignable to MIDI -- for example, version 2.0 > added a tap tempo, but it's only mouse-clickable, not MIDI-assignable. I'd > love to have this connected to a spare drum pad. > > - no real feedback control -- once you start a loop, gracefully rolling it > off is a challenge. While the system does have assignable crossfaders, > raising interesting possibilties, it's still tough to get blends to work > well sometimes. > > - As with most (all?) software, the occasional crash or audio drop-out comes > with the territory; > > Overall, I think it's a great tool for Live looping, as long as you spend > the time to get accquainted with it (as with any instrument), and set up a > decent template, with MIDI assignments that make sense to you, ahead of > time. I'm thinking that a pocket fader or Evolution U-control would make a > good addition, since the most tedious mousework involved in the program > tends to be tweaking levels (and other params). > > HTH, > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonah, Jim" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:42 AM > Subject: ableton live questions > > > > I know several of you answered that you are using Live, so I'm looking for > a > > little more detail on exactly how you're using it and if you're happy with > > it, etc. > > > > How well does this work for live looping? My initial goal would be to play > > multiple simple loops (not reversing/cutting/slicing and dicing loops) > that > > repeat endlessly and/or repeat x number of times with/without decay over > the > > top of pre-programmed sections of songs and at will move on to the next > > "scene". > > > > Also (OT), are any of you mixing audio and midi (soft synths/soft drum > > machines) using Live? If so, what are you using for midi instruments > > (drums/synths/etc)? If you're using Reason, are you using any other VST > > plug-ins? If so, using what host (since it appears that Live doesn't > really > > handle midi, other than controller elements - or am I reading the > docs/using > > the demo version wrong)? Are you able to keep the looseness of the > > arrangment while rewired to Reason (i.e. will Reason, or whatever else > > you're using, jump from pattern to pattern as Live moves from scene to > > scene?) > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 18:04:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KM2a005401; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:02:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c36766$bf8e1230$6601010a@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F651E@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> <007f01c36749$8f061580$6601010a@BARNEY> Subject: Re: ableton live questions Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:02:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting. I'm rarely hitting above 50% CPU usage (never over 25% w/o VSTs), and *very* rarely, I'll get the standard XP error "A serious program error has occurred... blah blah blah" > crash. Maybe it's the audio interface? An overcrowded USB bus? Dunno... ----- Original Message ----- From: "sserendipity" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: Re: ableton live questions > > > > - As with most (all?) software, the occasional crash or audio drop-out > comes > > with the territory; > > > > This is debatable. As a rule of thumb, you shouldn't be running your cpu at > more than 65% capacity during mission critical use. At least, that's the > rule we use for the encoding servers at work. Between Live and Reason, do > you have any headroom to spare? > > All bets are off when you are running Cubase however. That damn doggy P.O.S > is going to click and pop no matter what you do. I still love it though :> > > bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 18:19:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KMIiD08043; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:18:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F651E@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> <007f01c36749$8f061580$6601010a@BARNEY> <007601c36766$bf8e1230$6601010a@BARNEY> Subject: Re: ableton live questions Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:18:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2003 22:18:37.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[00C20C50:01C36769] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com USB 1.0, or 2.0? Both the machine and the interface. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: ableton live questions > Interesting. I'm rarely hitting above 50% CPU usage (never over 25% w/o > VSTs), and *very* rarely, I'll get the standard XP error "A serious program > error has occurred... blah blah blah" > crash. Maybe it's the audio > interface? An overcrowded USB bus? Dunno... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sserendipity" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: ableton live questions > > > > > > > > - As with most (all?) software, the occasional crash or audio drop-out > > comes > > > with the territory; > > > > > > > This is debatable. As a rule of thumb, you shouldn't be running your cpu > at > > more than 65% capacity during mission critical use. At least, that's the > > rule we use for the encoding servers at work. Between Live and Reason, do > > you have any headroom to spare? > > > > All bets are off when you are running Cubase however. That damn doggy > P.O.S > > is going to click and pop no matter what you do. I still love it though :> > > > > bIz > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 18:30:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KMSpN10680; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:28:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F651E@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> <007f01c36749$8f061580$6601010a@BARNEY> <007601c36766$bf8e1230$6601010a@BARNEY> Subject: Re: ableton live questions Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:28:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2003 22:28:45.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AF6A850:01C3676A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also, are your VST's denormaled? Are they freeware, or commerical ones? What type of processor are you using? bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: ableton live questions > Interesting. I'm rarely hitting above 50% CPU usage (never over 25% w/o > VSTs), and *very* rarely, I'll get the standard XP error "A serious program > error has occurred... blah blah blah" > crash. Maybe it's the audio > interface? An overcrowded USB bus? Dunno... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sserendipity" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: ableton live questions > > > > > > > > - As with most (all?) software, the occasional crash or audio drop-out > > comes > > > with the territory; > > > > > > > This is debatable. As a rule of thumb, you shouldn't be running your cpu > at > > more than 65% capacity during mission critical use. At least, that's the > > rule we use for the encoding servers at work. Between Live and Reason, do > > you have any headroom to spare? > > > > All bets are off when you are running Cubase however. That damn doggy > P.O.S > > is going to click and pop no matter what you do. I still love it though :> > > > > bIz > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 18:56:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KMsQw15258; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:54:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:54:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c3676d$ffd262e0$6101a8c0@Main> From: To: References: <1824E256-D2D1-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Type of looping machine Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:54:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brilliant, I type "repeater" and I get info on Amateur Radio I type "Orville" and I get a bunch of stuff on Wilber and Orville Wright. Can someone give me more information on these products so that I can narrow my search. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > http://www.google.com > > On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 07:35 PM, > wrote: > > >> > >> You can do this on a Repeater or an Orville. > >> -- > > > > Do you know of a web site or info where I can research one of these? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 19:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KMxYa16215; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030820155802.01ab0390@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:58:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Type of looping machine In-Reply-To: <002801c3676d$ffd262e0$6101a8c0@Main> References: <1824E256-D2D1-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html At 05:54 PM 2003/08/20 -0500, dmusicis@bellsouth.net wrote: >Brilliant, > >I type "repeater" and I get info on Amateur Radio > >I type "Orville" and I get a bunch of stuff on Wilber and Orville Wright. > >Can someone give me more information on these products so that I can narrow >my search. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 19:25:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7KNLYf20292; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030820232129.95159.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:21:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Type of looping machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030820155802.01ab0390@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 05:54 PM 2003/08/20 -0500, dmusicis@bellsouth.net wrote: > >I type "repeater" and I get info on Amateur Radio > > > >I type "Orville" and I get a bunch of stuff on Wilber and Orville Wright. > > > >Can someone give me more information on these products so that I can narrow > >my search. Try "Electrix Repeater" and "Eventide Orville" in your fav search engine. A quicker start might be the mfg's websites: http://www.electrixpro.com (manuals are available under Support / Manuals) http://www.eventide.com/ Understand that the Orville is very expensive (by most of our standards). List is $6995 USD. The Repeater was discontinued about a year ago, and there are some issues with it (bugs in the software, no more updates, compact flash compatibility issues). Check ebay, there are occasionally good deals on them. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 20:19:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7L0FHA29261; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:15:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:15:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c36779$498284a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F651E@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> Subject: Re: ableton live questions Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:15:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I posted a while back (a month or so?), detailing my approach to using Ableton Live as a live looper. Search for my name in the LD archives, and I'm sure you'll find it. I don't use Ableton exclusively - I also have 2 EDPs. But I do find it an excellent adjunct to my core looping tools, the EDPs. If nothing else, it's a compact, cost-effective way to add more loop/delay lines to my setup. I use a Behringer FCB1010, and on certain banks, I have the expression pedals controlling track volumes. It works well for me as a psuedo-feedback control. I don't use Reason, or softsynths in general (I'm a guitar player), so I can't comment there. However, I do have some FCB1010 pedals mapped to Live scene change buttons, and that works great. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonah, Jim" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: ableton live questions > I know several of you answered that you are using Live, so I'm looking for a > little more detail on exactly how you're using it and if you're happy with > it, etc. > > How well does this work for live looping? My initial goal would be to play > multiple simple loops (not reversing/cutting/slicing and dicing loops) that > repeat endlessly and/or repeat x number of times with/without decay over the > top of pre-programmed sections of songs and at will move on to the next > "scene". > > Also (OT), are any of you mixing audio and midi (soft synths/soft drum > machines) using Live? If so, what are you using for midi instruments > (drums/synths/etc)? If you're using Reason, are you using any other VST > plug-ins? If so, using what host (since it appears that Live doesn't really > handle midi, other than controller elements - or am I reading the docs/using > the demo version wrong)? Are you able to keep the looseness of the > arrangment while rewired to Reason (i.e. will Reason, or whatever else > you're using, jump from pattern to pattern as Live moves from scene to > scene?) > > Thanks! > > Jim > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately > and then destroy it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 21:03:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7L11aa05461; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:01:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: PDS 8000 Echo Plus For Sale Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:01:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3677F.C3CF0DE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3677F.C3CF0DE0 Content-Type: text/plain Over on Guitar.com. Check it out. Doesn't look like he's had any takers so far. http://www.guitar.com/cda/discuss/readmsg.asp?showdates=&messageID=3311348 Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3677F.C3CF0DE0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PDS 8000 Echo Plus For Sale

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3677F.C3CF0DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 20 22:46:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7L2jKk22819; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "S.M.C Butler" To: Subject: quick question Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:44:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0pMt_C.A.bkF.AJDR_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, for some reason i can't get the reverse function to work on my edp running loop iv. can someone run me through the sequence of operations to get this to work from the default startup condition (preferably using my footswitch). thx. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 00:36:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7L4YWU04980; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030820213314.03f5acb8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:36:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: quick question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:44 PM 8/20/2003, S.M.C Butler wrote: > for some reason i can't get the reverse function to work on my edp > running loop iv. can someone run me through the sequence >of operations to get this to work from the default startup condition >(preferably using my footswitch). If you want to use the footpedal, then you want to set the InsertMode parameter to be Reverse. This changes the Insert button into the Reverse button. Parameter button to the "Buttons" row. (or "keys" in older units). Press Insert for InsertMode parameter, until is shows "REV". then press Parameter button a few times to get back to play mode and you are set. Of course, you can also use MIDI to access any command at any time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 01:05:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7L4xIP08773; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:59:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Goldsmith \(mailing lists\)" To: Subject: RE: Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <007d01c361a6$e77e8600$49ff0dd5@nuno> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_rEO2D.A.9IC.mGFR_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all the time. It's ruling. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Nuno Climaco Pinto [mailto:nuno.climaco.pinto@sapo.pt] > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:27 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Kaoss Pad 2 > > > I was thinking in buying a Kaoss Pad 2 to use in my Repeater fx insert. My > question is: Does anyone tryed this combination!?. > > Best > > Nuno > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 02:06:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7L63ol15978; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:03:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:03:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: ableton live questions Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:03:24 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000201c367a9$ef1ac9b0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <003601c36779$498284a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > > I posted a while back (a month or so?), detailing my approach > to using Ableton Live as a live looper. Hi Doug, That one was a great post! It sure helped me to understand Live better. Are you using the latest version 2.1? I was thinking the some of tje "limitations" you listed might have been fixed in the new update? I intend to use Live as a midi clock slave to the EDP and I guess your this, your note, doesn't apply then? > One thing > about LIVE is that you can't currently define the loop length > (and therefore the tempo of the piece) on the fly. Gotta set > the clock, and start the piece playing. Let's say I keep a bunch of Live tracks set up to record clips of different lengths. Then I guess the EDP loop can serve as "matronome" to record liv into Live? Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 02:26:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7L6KZG17646; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:20:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019201c367ab$f48f33c0$ad0e883e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030819112117.00e1f2a0@mail.winternet.com> Subject: Re: Looping in Audiomulch Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:17:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oddly enough I'm gonna be fiddling with this today. There's no documentation with it since it sort of sneaked out under the wire so to speak but it sounds like fun! Let me know if you can decipher the strange runes! Gareth > So I haven't seen any mention of Audiomulch's new looping capabilities yet > (see http://www.audiomulch.com ). In the last release, Ross included a > Livelooper contraption as well as a Canonlooper contraption in the Beta > section. Each has 16 outputs so you can put each loop through a separate > processing chain. It's still in development (he will add system clock/midi > sync, etc.) but it is still very usable as a looping tool. > > I am currently using audiomulch for cello playthroughs and looping. I am > running a live patch using Livelooper and a ton of VST plugins as well as > audiomulch's granular synthesis and delay objects. The live signal and > looper outputs are routed through an 8x8 routing matrix so I can route any > of the inputs through one or more of 8 processing chains. I mapped the > more important parameters (start/stop record and mute as well as numerous > VST plugin parameters) onto a peavy 1600x so I can control everything > remotely on the fly. Playing into it is like dropping a pebble into a > still pond. The sound just ripples outward from the original sound. > > I use this in conjunction w/ a slew of stompboxes and a line 6 DL4 and a > boomerang. It has so far turned out to be a very flexible and powerful > setup. > > L. Stafford > low Orbit/slut Machine/Nautipuss/Richard For Cerebellum > http://www.livejournal.com/~r4c > http://www.winternet.com/~r4c > http://nautipuss.iuma.com/ > > Blackbox Music Electronics > http://www.blackboxmusicfx.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 04:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7L8HfG29579; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:17:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: future loopers--A discrete delete funtion? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:17:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001001c36620$ddbf6340$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- You know how you can insert new material in the EDP, into a location anywhere in the loop? I want a delete function, sort of vacuuming up bits of audio--implemented thusly: 1. at first press of magic button, marker set to remove material 2. upon release of magic button (or second tap) marker set for end of material to be removed 3. either delete it at that moment or a third tap to instantly delete it OK propellerheads, can this be implemented thru MIDI in the current version? I would also like back a feature possible in Loop III, inadvertantly omitted in Loop IV, that works this way: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00800.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00822.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200010/msg00036.html So this involved toggling back and forth between multiply and insert . . . In the last post listed above, a reply by the formidable Matthias, he suggests that I am a pioneer. Yeah . . . It's all happening right now, people, and a year from this moment, it will all be different (and better) so hang on for what is definitely a wild ride, loop wise--who knows what tomorrow may bring! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 05:24:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7L9Ms502419; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:22:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:22:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: quick question Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:24:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030820213314.03f5acb8@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of which: I managed to get the EDP reliably into "Load" mode via MIDI-Commands. To get it back to Play mode I "press" the Parameter button for 500 ms (via MIDI). This works for all settings except "Load" and "Dump". Can anybody give me a hint here? Thanks Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 21. August 2003 06:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: quick question > > > At 07:44 PM 8/20/2003, S.M.C Butler wrote: > > for some reason i can't get the reverse function to work on my edp > > running loop iv. can someone run me through the sequence > >of operations to get this to work from the default startup condition > >(preferably using my footswitch). > > If you want to use the footpedal, then you want to set the InsertMode > parameter to be Reverse. This changes the Insert button into the Reverse > button. > > Parameter button to the "Buttons" row. (or "keys" in older units). Press > Insert for InsertMode parameter, until is shows "REV". then press > Parameter > button a few times to get back to play mode and you are set. > > Of course, you can also use MIDI to access any command at any time. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 07:44:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LBhGG15637; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1061464527!1317424 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB472@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL4 Volume Question Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:37:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36731.04EC2870" Resent-Message-ID: <6HazR.A.N0D.UBLR_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36731.04EC2870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Whenever I turn on the effect, I get a slight volume boost. It's not huge but it is loud enough to notice. And loud enough to effect my playing. Is this normal? If it is, is there any way to turn the gain down so it's normalized?<< are you using both inputs? on a dl4 that's behaving normally, the dry sound doesn't start getting quieter until at least 11o'clock on the mix knob. but we've noticed that it does odd things to the levels if you use both inputs, which it sometimes sums to mono depending on the selected effect, and especially if the two inputs are from different instruments. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>Whenever I turn on the effect, I get a slight vol= ume boost.  It's not huge
but it is loud enough to notice.  And loud enough t= o effect my playing.

Is this normal?  If it is, is there any way to turn = the gain down so it's
normalized?<<

are you using both inputs? on a dl4 that's behaving norma= lly, the dry sound doesn't start getting quieter until at least 11o'clock o= n the mix knob. but we've noticed that it does odd things to the levels if = you use both inputs, which it sometimes sums to mono depending on the selec= ted effect, and especially if the two inputs are from different instruments= .

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C36731.04EC2870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 07:51:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LBnc616387; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:49:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:49:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1061464541!1288787 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB473@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: eigenradio... Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:39:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36731.49F3D1C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36731.49F3D1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Was this "Eigenradio" a joke, or what? My browser's broke so I can't get beyond my email, but none of my friends that I forwarded it to could ever hear anything...<< the guys here, and I concur, said it sounded like a fax machine, and that the guys at MIT ought to "get out more". duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36731.49F3D1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>Was this "Eigenradio" a joke, or what? My browser's broke so I can't get beyond my email, but none of my friends that I forwarded it to could ever hear anything...<<
 
the guys here, and I concur, said it sounded like a fax machine, and that the guys at MIT ought to "get out more".
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36731.49F3D1C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 08:18:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LCGDZ20346; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:16:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F6524@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> From: "Jonah, Jim" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: ableton live questions Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:16:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks everyone for the excellent responses. It sounds like it will do what I want. :-) Jim >---------< The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 10:22:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LEKRr02972; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:20:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:20:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:20:24 -0700 Subject: Re: eigenradio... Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB473@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <9B1768EA-D3E2-11D7-8152-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7LEKQW02945 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sigh. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 08:39 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>Was this "Eigenradio" a joke, or what? My browser's broke so I can't > get beyond my email, but none of my friends that I forwarded it to > could ever hear anything...<< >   > the guys here, and I concur, said it sounded like a fax machine, and > that the guys at MIT ought to "get out more". >   > duncan. > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *********************************************************************** > **** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 10:36:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LEXEB05452; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:33:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:33:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: a long trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi friends! I never stopped receiving your precious mails, but only read few of them for quite a while, there was too much going on the good side of real live and I enjoyed a serious of nice trips where I met loads of loopers - and we all liked each other... isnt that great? and a lot of people heard loops, got an idea of the joy we feel to create them, the seed may still not quite have grown through to the surface but its well grounded and made its root. I am on the train back to Switzerland from where I will return to Brasil in three weeks. The last two weeks I passed with the looping accordeonist and gifted composer Cathrin Pfeifer in north east Germany, playing in little culture places, churches, visiting beaches, castles, ice cream and fish places and playing with each other more than together. I learned a lot about the German history, the GDR especially. I filmed her final concert was her sextet at the Sans Souci park in Potsdam, where over 30000 people dived into the brilliantely illuminated and live sounded park, with all the completely exagerated gold plated buildings and innumerous statues of a time that definitally passed. We watched the traditional dances and clothes and felt: it was beautifull but terribly formal and false, a luxury prison... I am happy to live now :-) Of course I did not forget to plan about the future. Looping cannot be the only thing I work on the rest of my life because there are a lot of other intresting instruments, and right now, we have more than enough looping functions to create a lot of music. But I dont want to give it up either. I also have the urge to bring it to the computer, because I carried and suffered with my rack, and yes, there are funcions I would like to have... It will take quite some time to create all this, and start slowly with a simpler plug in to learn and make some fun stuff available for you that is not looping but somehow related... you will see :-) I really need to thank this comunity here that made all this possible. I worked hard, but it was not in vain. I still dont get much money back, but I can travel almost without spending any and have a good time with good people, lead a simple life, learn a lot and be happy with others that are. I would love to document everything that happend, but probably should not invest my time into this. Some highlights have come through to you, but there were many more. Lets see where this big trips takes us too. It seems it could bring some of the nicest colors into this world and fascilitate the heavy changes we are going through, each one at his time... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 10:38:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LEaNo06177; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:36:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:36:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1d0.f49713d.2c6f507d@aol.com> References: <1d0.f49713d.2c6f507d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:36:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: future loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Here's a question. > >What features would you like to see in a looper? > >Think bizarre > >eg >1) I want to hear the loop I just recorded played back at > normal speed and half speed at the same time > >2) I want to just keep playing, and hear just my overdubs > playing backwards. I just talked to Michael Schiefel about this one and he became animated... I keep trying to imagine the rhythmical use of reverse. Somehow the attack turns over to where the note stops. If you invert a whole loop, the rhythm changes completely. If you invert each note in the sense that it starts where it ended originally and vice versa, the rhythm also changes. Shouldnt it be mirrored so that the attack stays at the same point? Did anyone hear of such a feature in some Orville or plug in or whatever? > >be imaginative ok, but try to figure out how often you would use the feature you invent. If it gets boring to use it at every show twice, for example, it may be not work to program, or worse: every feature clutters up the user interface and makes the whole thing more dificult to understand for everyone. So lets try to concentrate on musical feature, creative ones... well, its not easy before you try it out... > >the ideas have to come before the reality > thats it partner! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 10:39:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LEZ3H05879; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:35:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:35:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:34:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Insert Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3Z3HKC.A.rbB.WiNR_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not many use Insert, because it leaves you in a "hole". But as I discovered with Michael and Cathrin discovered that once you play together, it makes a lot more sense: the brothers continue, and you can "loosen up" your loop. The original idea is maintained, but the others reacted to it, so you can repeat less often, thus give more space to add to the idea. (overloaded loops are a frequent problem when several musicians do them together...) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 10:43:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LEb7a06441; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009201c364ae$c14c5c40$fc62f93f@global> References: <200308161720.h7GHK7C19830@hemlock.violacea.com> <009201c364ae$c14c5c40$fc62f93f@global> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:37:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: re: future loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Richard Zvonar answered: >"One can do these sorts of things with an Eventide DSP4000 or Orville." > >If one could afford one. I've been a relatively successful >professional musican for 25 years and have never been able to >get close to buying anything that Eventide puts out. It's a shame because >there are so many creative ways one could use these >truly amazing machines. Oh well................next lifetime, I >suppose.......................... only if you manage to save up from this live to the next :-0 -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 10:47:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LEYIJ05706; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:34:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:34:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Mark Sottilaro Subject: got the repeater Message-ID: <1061475782.3f44d5c6b4cb8@webmail.siba.fi> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:23:02 +0300 (EEST) From: tkorhone@siba.fi References: <9B1768EA-D3E2-11D7-8152-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <9B1768EA-D3E2-11D7-8152-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 80.221.48.62 Sender: www-data Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi! at first: Per, i thought I was sending that message to the list and not just for you. Thanks for your answer though. :-). Anyhow, Mark, thanks for the hint you gave me a month ago about the repeater in ebay. i´ve got it now and i´m very pleased. Paid 830 bucks (not very cheap i guess), but main thing is that i´ve finally got my own one after borrowing my friends one for a year or so. He´s very pleased as well. I think you´ll be hearing from me soon in a form of stupid questions about using the thing! Topi Korhonen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 11:22:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LFGur07115; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:16:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009c01c367e1$1c068e00$b2bbfea9@sputnik23> From: "skincage" To: References: Subject: Re: Kaoss Pad 2 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:38:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i haven't had a chance to try a kp2 but at my last show i was using mofx in the repeater fx insert and a first edition kaoss pad in the mofx's insert. i was using it to catch glitchy loops within the mofx delay based loops which were made from the repeater loop. fun. does the kp2 have better no-click looping? jon > > I was thinking in buying a Kaoss Pad 2 to use in my Repeater fx insert. My > > question is: Does anyone tryed this combination!?. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 12:09:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LG5sL14241; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:05:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:05:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <123.24dfe4a6.2c7647d6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:05:42 EDT Subject: Re: eigenradio... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.24dfe4a6.2c7647d6_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_123.24dfe4a6.2c7647d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/03 4:50:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > >>Was this "Eigenradio" a joke, or what? My browser's broke so I can't get > beyond my email, but none of my friends that I forwarded it to could ever > hear anything...<< > > the guys here, and I concur, said it sounded like a fax machine, and that > the guys at MIT ought to "get out more". > > duncan. > Typical! Thanks, Duncan! Tim Flairty --part1_123.24dfe4a6.2c7647d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/21/03 4:50:07 AM Pacific Daylight= Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:

>>Was this "Eigenradio" a= joke, or what? My browser's broke so I can't get beyond my email, but none=20= of my friends that I forwarded it to could ever hear anything...<<
 
the guys here, and I concur,= said it sounded like a fax machine, and that the guys at MIT ought to "get=20= out more".
 
duncan.


Typical!    Thanks, Duncan!

Tim Flairty --part1_123.24dfe4a6.2c7647d6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 15:09:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LJ5Bk09899; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c36818$4d9c0440$0200a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F6524@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> Subject: Re: ableton live questions Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:13:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0bZOSD.A.eaC.nfRR_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ohh i haven't given my point of view yet. ;) (sorry for the late reply) I've used Reason for pretty much anything i've donw, and i've fiddled with live-looping setups, chaining 8 Tempo-delays and creating feedback-loops with that and some other solutions, it's really nice but the tempo-sync isn't 100% But it's reaaally fun to play solo-livelooping with because you don't have to think as much of syncing to others. AND after being reminded several times by Per Boysen (i owe you alot for this Per) about Ableton Live, i figured "hey why not give it another go" and so i did, i installed the Demo on my portable and routed Reason with Rewire to Live, and suddenly i'm not only blessed with a superb live-looping sampler, i also get the Input (mic, reason or live-resampling) AND Output latency down to 15-20ms which is 1/10th of the audio-latency that i got just using Reason on the laptop. No extra audio-cards or special drivers, Live just utilize the hardware in an increadible way compared to Reason. I've even gotten my girlfriend hooked on it, so maybe sometime not in the distant future i can do a livelooping duet with her. ;) Also for instance, 2.1.1 upgrade of Live features midi-mapping to the TAP-function, YAY! Anyway, Ableton live is a software more than adequate for live-looping and i will buy the sucker as soon as i have some money left. And Reason is superb as audio-source for live. So my live-looping setup now is (and will probably be for a long time): Propellerheads Reason Ableton Live Portable 2ghz pc with XP Edirol PCR-30 midikeyboard (would have wanted the PCR-30A though) I figure a good setup with this stuff would be that i have 8 sliders to controll 8 tracks volumes and then i have 8 knobs to controll effects (or vicevorsa) and 9 buttons that can act in toggle-mode or release-mode.. Allthough I have to get me a pedal for the keyboard so i can map it to the Tap-tempo. ;) That's my 2 cents Btw, i'm gonna see if i can put this setup to the test properly the weekend after this one, when i go to Iceland. =) /Tias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonah, Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: RE: ableton live questions > Thanks everyone for the excellent responses. It sounds like it will do what > I want. > > :-) > > Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 16:23:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LKHpp00638; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:17:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:17:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:14:05 EDT Subject: Re: RE: future loopers--A discrete delete funtion? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi all-- > You know how you can insert new material in the EDP, into a location > anywhere in the loop? I want a delete function, sort of vacuuming up bits > of audio--implemented thusly: > 1. at first press of magic button, marker set to remove material > 2. upon release of magic button (or second tap) marker set for end of > material to be removed > 3. either delete it at that moment or a third tap to instantly delete it Nice idea to make an area for future processing. Could also Reverse or Stutter that marked section. In loop4 you have to use unrounded multiply and start at the End of the bit you want to delete, and end at the beginning. kind of awkward, but the same result. > > I would also like back a feature possible in Loop III, inadvertantly omitted > in Loop IV, that works this way: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00800.html > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00822.html > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200010/msg00036.html > > So this involved toggling back and forth between multiply and insert . . . > yeah ....missed that one :-( andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 16:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LKHNd00521; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:17:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.2570ced6.2c767fa8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:03:52 EDT Subject: Re: quick question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > for some reason i can't get the reverse function to work on my edp > > running loop iv. can someone run me through the sequence > >of operations to get this to work from the default startup condition > >(preferably using my footswitch). yeah, do what Kim says. or If you want to keep the InsertButton for another function you can hit the parameter button followed by Undo from the panel andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 17:14:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7LL98t08383; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:09:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: ableton live questions Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:37:11 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000501c3681b$9e9beb50$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <007601c36818$4d9c0440$0200a8c0@waggy> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Tias [mailto:tias@condomo.com] > Ableton Live, There's an exellent Live 2.0 review at http://reviews.sonikmatter.com/software/ableton_live_v2.php Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 21 21:44:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7M1gL807277; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c3684e$7bd99260$2b02a8c0@chris1> From: "Chris Payne" To: References: <014301c36688$5710a580$2b02a8c0@chris1> Subject: PC software for Echoplex? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:41:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've seen Palm OS software to control the Echoplex but nothing for PC. Does EDP controller software exist for PC? Just think how nice it would be to have a full screen readout. Anyone interested in doing some programming? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 00:24:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7M4Mrn26790; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:22:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:22:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: OT: New Recording Spam Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:22:41 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c36865$073bc8d0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Guys, For anybody interested - I just finished mixing my band's latest booking demo and would love to hear your thoughts off list of course. Not too much in the looping sense only for the end of the song "Huff" and the middle and ending of "Veils". http://www.crapehanger.com/audio/Demo/index.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 05:43:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7M9c5U27122; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 05:38:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 05:38:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Live looping environment: Max/MSP vs NI Reaktor Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:12:04 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <012101c3688d$75efe7c0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <007601c36818$4d9c0440$0200a8c0@waggy> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, I just heard that Max/MSP now is available for Windows. That's cool for not bringing a G5 on the road ;-). Personally I would prefere setting up a rather cheap PC with looping software for playing live. But then I went to http://www.cycling74.com/products/dlmaxmspwin.html and learned that there are still two different, quite expensive, licenses for running the programs on both Mac and PC - which sucks IMO. These days I have gotten so used to multi platform licence from both Propellerheads and Emagic (Apple). On the other hand we have the possibilities with NI Reaktor. As I have understood it you buy the program and can then install and run it on either platform. On the Reaktor list I heard voices talking about "now selling Max/MSP after trying out Reaktor". I have not had any chance yet to go deeply into these matters, but it seems to me as if Reaktor is a better choice if you are looking for a future software audio looper for live application. You might have to build it yourself, though. Any thoughts from you with more experience from these two environments? Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 07:59:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MBue006219; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:56:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:56:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Pedal for Parameters Button (was RE: EDP Feedback Pedal) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:57:53 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks a lot, Kim Should not have relied solely on the EDP manual... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 20. August 2003 21:27 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Pedal for Parameters Button (was RE: EDP Feedback Pedal) > > > At 02:24 AM 8/20/2003, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > >Pedal for Parameters Button: > >The section in the EDP manual states > >If you are electro-mechanically adept and wish to build a > >footpedal incorporating this button, you can obtain instructions > in how to > >do so by contacting Gibson technical support at the number in > the front of > >this manual." > > >If you happen to find something: Could you post the results on this list? > > Hi- > That info is available at the Looper's Delight web site, in the EDP > footpedal tutorial: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html > > There was a resistor value assigned for doing the Parameter > button from the > footpedal, so you could try to make one as the instructions suggest. > However, the sad thing is it doesn't work reliably. One person did make a > parameter pedal in a different way, by wiring up a switch in > parallel with > the actual button on the front panel. So that is a possibility. > > On the other hand, if you use MIDI there is a midi command for the > parameter button and that works just fine. That's much easier. > > Also if you have LoopIV in your echoplex, you can use the Presets > function > to easily change parameter sets without needing to go into the parameter > editing. It's much faster. This can be done from the regular > footpedal, or > again much more easily with midi by simply using program change commands. > Then you probably wouldn't need the parameter footpedal at all. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 08:47:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MCifM11841; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:44:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:44:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: New Adrian Belew Interview Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:44:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C368AB.24F295C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C368AB.24F295C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 10:47:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MEiie28664; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:44:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:44:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F462A1E.3050107@biink.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:35:10 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidtorn@yahoogroups.com, ":: ambient way" , "extremeNY@topica.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Jon Hassell list Subject: NYC: 8/25/2003 electric ambient tuba Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Tom Heasley
Ambient Electric Tuba
from L.A.
 
Monday, August 25th, 2003
9 p.m., $7.00
 
Chama (we have air conditioning!!!)
332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
East Village, NYC 646-654-6472
 

"Tom Heasley's mesmerizing bit of loop-based,
ambient tuba playing brought an ethereal
beauty from the underrated instrument."
Joseph Woodard, LA Times
 
"...a rich and sonorous aural experience
that flies in the face of all the dumb
cliches about what tuba music is."
Richard Zvonar, Ph.D.
 
"...a mesmerizing wonder of deep echoed atmospherics."
David Beardsley, Downtown Music Gallery (NYC)
 
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 11:31:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MFT3U02336; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:29:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:29:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c368c2$9a1f6a00$8180a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:32:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C368A1.128F2420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.163.128.129] at Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:28:54 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3DITiD.A.Wk._ajR_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C368A1.128F2420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Adrian Belew InterviewFYI - at a Jeff Beck show this in = Massachusetts, Adrian Belew's Twang Bar King was played as roadies = set-up for Jeff's trio... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Makoviney=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:44 AM Subject: New Adrian Belew Interview InterMusic.com=20 http://tinyurl.com/ku0h=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C368A1.128F2420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Adrian Belew Interview
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C368A1.128F2420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 12:51:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MGnYM13704; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:49:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:49:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F46421D.7080904@biink.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:17:33 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview References: <002701c368c2$9a1f6a00$8180a344@hppav> In-Reply-To: <002701c368c2$9a1f6a00$8180a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <50fb_.A._VD.emkR_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David wrote:
New Adrian Belew Interview
FYI - at a Jeff Beck show this in Massachusetts, Adrian Belew's Twang Bar King was played as roadies set-up for Jeff's trio...
 
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They also did that in NJ. It's been a while since I heard that album.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 15:22:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MJKNA32663; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:20:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:20:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F466DF0.7040308@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:24:32 -0700 From: brian tester Reply-To: btester@mindspring.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: per@boysen.se CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live looping environment: Max/MSP vs NI Reaktor References: <012101c3688d$75efe7c0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> In-Reply-To: <012101c3688d$75efe7c0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heya Per. I am currently using Reaktor 4 on an old G3 powerbook to do part of my looping. There are several approaches you can take to live looping with Reaktor. In fact, there are a few different looping ensembles currently uploaded to the user library on the NI website. You can loop with grain delays, simple delays, using the wav recorder module, or using a module called the audio table (which stores incoming audio in cells, within a table, of course). Lots of capabilites for designing UIs for live use too. Definitely worth checking out. Best, Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 15:31:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MJQIZ00914; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:26:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:26:25 -0700 Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-30--478676422 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8578F9FA-D4D6-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-30--478676422 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Here's the comments I submitted to the online mag: The Power to Repeat As someone who's been in love with King Crimson since I discovered Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. I don't think it's nearly as interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of their strongest albums. Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth stuff happening. It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why he's dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, no? And eyes wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every time. Maybe one of the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album twice for some reason. First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind of lame. I'd loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or totally different mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes on the Level 5 album as well. With all that said, I think TPTB is still a great album and many of the songs have made it into my iPod where they pop up from time to time and amaze and inspire. If you're looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. I think they're better representations of great song writing and interesting playing. Mark Sottilaro --Apple-Mail-30--478676422 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Here's the comments I submitted to the online mag: ArialThe Power to Repeat Arial As someone who's been in love with King Crimson since I discovered Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. I don't think it's nearly as interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of their strongest albums. Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth stuff happening. It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why he's dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, no? And eyes wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every time. Maybe one of the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album twice for some reason. First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind of lame. I'd loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or totally different mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes on the Level 5 album as well. With all that said, I think TPTB is still a great album and many of the songs have made it into my iPod where they pop up from time to time and amaze and inspire. If you're looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. I think they're better representations of great song writing and interesting playing. Mark Sottilaro --Apple-Mail-30--478676422-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 16:01:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MJxh604576; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F465FFF.9080809@biink.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:25:03 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , davidtorn@yahoogroups.com Subject: NYC: 8/25/2003 electric amient tuba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9x7DND.A.VHB.vYnR_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure this went through before: Tom Heasley Ambient Electric Tuba from L.A. Monday, August 25th, 2003 9 p.m., $7.00 Chama (we have air conditioning!!!) 332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D East Village, NYC 646-654-6472 "Tom Heasley's mesmerizing bit of loop-based, ambient tuba playing brought an ethereal beauty from the underrated instrument." Joseph Woodard, LA Times "...a rich and sonorous aural experience that flies in the face of all the dumb cliches about what tuba music is." Richard Zvonar, Ph.D. "...a mesmerizing wonder of deep echoed atmospherics." David Beardsley, Downtown Music Gallery (NYC) http://www.tomheasley.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 17:37:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MLZ0j16751; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:35:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:35:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030822154236.008cb730@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:42:36 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: FS more stuff... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, here is more gear I have for sale. If yer' interested in any of this, please don't reply to this msg, but send me an e-mail at thefates@earthlink.net as I may not be checking the list as much in the next couple of weeks, and if there's something you want, it may go to someone else unless you e-mail me directly. Thanks very much. Have a wonderful weekend!... Smiles, C-Quinn Marshall JMP-1 midi tube preamp, excellent condition, $300 OBO Ibanez EPP-400 Stereo midi patch bay no manual, $100 Roland FC-200 excellent condition, however w/out original power supply, $100 GT-3 guitar effects processor mint condition, box and manual, $200 OBO Steinberger Spirit 5-string bass, mint condition, Older American made, not a scratch or ding, plays beautifully, $600 OBO Remember, please only e-mail me privately at thefates@earthlink.net and you'll need to pay shipping on these, K? Thanks so much. Have a wonderful weekend!... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 22 19:17:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7MND2h27027; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c36902$ec342fc0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <000201c367a9$ef1ac9b0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Subject: Re: ableton live questions Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:12:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per! Sorry for the delay in responding - been busy this week. Comments below: > > I posted a while back (a month or so?), detailing my approach > > to using Ableton Live as a live looper. > > > Hi Doug, > > That one was a great post! It sure helped me to understand Live better. Thanks. I didn't see any responses, so I could only hope that it helped a few people get started. > Are you using the latest version 2.1? I was thinking the some of tje > "limitations" you listed might have been fixed in the new update? Yes, I'm using 2.1. I'd have to go back and read my post re: limitations, but really, the biggest (vs. my EDP mindset) is the inability to set tempo on the fly by recording the first loop or cycle. This is what you mention below.... > > I intend to use Live as a midi clock slave to the EDP and I guess your > this, your note, doesn't apply then? > > > One thing > > about LIVE is that you can't currently define the loop length > > (and therefore the tempo of the piece) on the fly. Gotta set > > the clock, and start the piece playing. > > Let's say I keep a bunch of Live tracks set up to record clips of > different lengths. Then I guess the EDP loop can serve as "matronome" to > record liv into Live? Again, I really need to go re-read that post, but if I didn't say it there, I'll say it here - I use Live both ways: as MIDI slave and MIDI master (kinky!). The EDP works great as a MIDI master to Live, and it will do what I think you're asking here. If you set Live to synch to external clock and feed it the EDP clock, it will "start" in tempo with your EDP loop or cycle, once it is finished and the MIDI clock starts. "Start" can mean that it starts playing any pre-recorded loops you have in the first scene, or it can simply mean that the clock starts and you can start recording live clips (quantized, of course!). Hope that helped. I will go re-read my first post and see if it inspires me to do a quick update. I just bought an Event EZbus (thanks Steve Ginn!), and with that and my laptop tied into my 2 EDP/1 GMajor rig, I'm at just the right level of gadgetry vs. capability (for me, of course). Other peoples' milage may vary :) Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 00:44:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7N4hGR28066; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:42:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Fab endorsement of David Torn From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3BA58318-D524-11D7-9171-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4X7coB.A.a2G.kDvR_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.splattercell.com/members/gaalore/dtorn/dtorn.nsf/ 07a8191a02dddea7802569f60005490c/ ffa152823b0f6d9380256d8a004e5f1d!OpenDocument Fabulously over the top endorsement of our friend Mr. Torn, from director Brian Helegeland. Appears to be for a future CD. Of course we know that all these things are absolutely true and accurate. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 08:10:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NC8bt30521; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:08:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:08:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c3696f$3814cf00$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3694D.B1032F00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <8578F9FA-D4D6-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3694D.B1032F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What part of this post has anything remotely relevant to looping? Can we get back on topic? Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview Here's the comments I submitted to the online mag: The Power to Repeat As someone who's been in love with King Crimson since I discovered Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. I don't think it's nearly as interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of their strongest albums. Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth stuff happening. It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why he's dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, no? And eyes wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every time. Maybe one of the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album twice for some reason. First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind of lame. I'd loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or totally different mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes on the Level 5 album as well. With all that said, I think TPTB is still a great album and many of the songs have made it into my iPod where they pop up from time to time and amaze and inspire. If you're looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. I think they're better representations of great song writing and interesting playing. Mark Sottilaro ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3694D.B1032F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What part of this post has anything remotely relevant to looping? Can we get back on = topic?

 

Respect=

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Will = Brake

Soul Fruit = Electronics

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
Sent: Friday, August 22, = 2003 3:26 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: New Adrian = Belew Interview

 

Here's the comments I submitted to the online = mag:

The Power = to Repeat

As someone who's been in love = with King Crimson since I discovered Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. = I don't think it's nearly as interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of = their strongest albums. Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth = stuff happening. It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why = he's dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them = through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, no? And eyes = wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every time. Maybe one of = the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album twice for some reason. = First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind of lame. I'd = loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or totally different = mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes on the Level 5 album as well. = With all that said, I think TPTB is still a great album and many of the songs = have made it into my iPod where they pop up from time to time and amaze and = inspire. If you're looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. = I think they're better representations of great song writing and = interesting playing.

Mark Sottilaro

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3694D.B1032F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 10:44:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NEdUp13491; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F477B72.FF57D76D@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:34:26 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fab endorsement of David Torn References: <3BA58318-D524-11D7-9171-000A95864C54@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg Kucharo wrote: > http://www.splattercell.com/members/gaalore/dtorn/dtorn.nsf/ > 07a8191a02dddea7802569f60005490c/ > ffa152823b0f6d9380256d8a004e5f1d!OpenDocument > > Fabulously over the top endorsement of our friend Mr. Torn, from > director Brian Helegeland. My hands-down favorite quote from the article: "David may or may not be a god. At the very least, he was touched by one. Witness the evidence: he likes to say 'dude' a lot and he can be very longwinded." Hahahahaha... > Appears to be for a future CD. David scored Brian Helegeland's new film, "The Order." The film will be released in a couple of weeks, and the album for the score should be out very soon. Info on the score (and some fantastic sound clips): http://www.superbrecords.com/theorder.html Dude, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com imi-ibi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 11:31:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NFT6b21258; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <189.1dd195ab.2c78e23b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:28:59 EDT Subject: Re: Fab endorsement of David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7NFT6W21229 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg, Wow! Fab indeed. Of course we all knew it was true all along. In a message dated 8/22/03 9:43:26 PM, telecaster@mac.com writes: >http://www.splattercell.com/members/gaalore/dtorn/dtorn.nsf/ >07a8191a02dddea7802569f60005490c/ >ffa152823b0f6d9380256d8a004e5f1d!OpenDocument > >Fabulously over the top endorsement of our friend Mr. Torn, from >director Brian Helegeland. Appears to be for a future CD. Of course we >know that all these things are absolutely true and accurate. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 13:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NGwns32721; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.38] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: £900!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:58:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2003 16:58:42.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEF1FF10:01C36997] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Morning all................... I have just come off the phone with my regular gibson dealer here in th UK Ive been told that Im looking at paying £900!!! for a new black faced echoplex.thats $1377 people!!! Im wondering if anyone on list knows of a cheaper way of getting hold of an EDP. What are you guys paying in the states? I would ideally like a unit with loop4 but would settle for a white face unit with loop3 if it was more in my price range. anyways, any info would be appreciated Phill Oh by the way, i'll take second hand if anyone is looking to sell!! _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 13:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NHExc03833; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:14:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:14:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:15:20 -0700 Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001301c3696f$3814cf00$7f613d44@soulfruit> Message-Id: <5FB552A2-D58D-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7NHExW03812 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps if you got out of your "I'm the god of fixing electronic gear, look at me" stance you'd come across an Adrian Belew or King Crimson album and realize that there is looping (by he and/or his partner Robert Fripp) on almost every single album (including the 2 that I offer a counter review of) Adrian Belew has been a looper for many many years and I think currently uses a Repeater in his rig as well as a Johnson (Digitech) amp with on board looping capabilities (I've heard that his amps are basically Digitech 2120s with solid state amplifier stages and dual 12" cab all in one box) More on that here: http://www.adrianbelew.net/texnspex.htm So, before you ask a pointed question, you might take want to word it more like, "Is there looping on this album?" or maybe do a quick google search on "Adrian Belew + Loops" because a lot would have come up and it would have been a nice change from soldering op amps. yours truly, Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Will Brake wrote: > What part of this post has anything remotely relevant to looping? Can > we get back on topic? > >   > > Respect > >   > > Will Brake > > Soul Fruit Electronics > >   > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview > >   > > Here's the comments I submitted to the online mag: > > The Power to Repeat > > As someone who's been in love with King Crimson since I discovered > Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the > risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. I don't think it's nearly as > interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of their strongest albums. > Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth stuff happening. > It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why he's > dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them > through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, > no? And eyes wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every > time. Maybe one of the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album > twice for some reason. First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the > identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind > of lame. I'd loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or > totally different mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes > on the Level 5 album as well. With all that said, I think TPTB is > still a great album and many of the songs have made it into my iPod > where they pop up from time to time and amaze and inspire. If you're > looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. I > think they're better representations of great song writing and > interesting playing. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 13:50:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NHnXW07312; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:49:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:49:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:49:53 -0700 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=A3900!!!!!!!!!!!?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <339F0D26-D592-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7NHnXW07288 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amazing eh? Good thing you don't want to do stereo looping or your looper would set you back about the price of a good used automobile. Frankly, I've abandoned the idea of ever owning an EDP. Not because I couldn't come up with that money, but because I just don't think it's worth it, especially now with software loopers starting to hit the market that will make your laptop your best looping friend. There have recently been a few posts about what Reaktor 4 can do and it sounds amazingly promising. PHP has some Lexicon PCM42 simulators that I hear are also amazing, thought I've yet to hear about someone here using them for live looping. Digital Performer's POLAR module is one feature away from being one of the coolest loopers you could ever want. (doesn't have a feedback control) Basically, I've given up looking for the ultimate dedicated hardware looper. I don't think it will ever exist because of the nitch market we are. The EDP is expensive and it looks like there will never be a significant hardware upgrade for it. I think it's a lot easier for a software manufacturer because they don't have to worry about getting a factory to make units that may or may not sell. (see: Repeater) Anyway, I see the overall demise of dedicated audio hardware as computers get faster and cheaper and software gets better. Right now a Powerbook G4 will run you about what it costs for 2 EDPs. (USD) Of course, that's without software and a USB MIDI/Audio interface, but that's an Apple product. The PC world is cheaper with a larger selection of software. For now, the EDP pair will probably give you better looping for your pound, but will you be able to edit video on it when your not looping? Send your dear mum a nice email? Don't get me wrong, I love a well designed piece of audio hardware and I'll feel a bit bad when everything I own will be able to live in one of these cool little boxes. On the other hand, I'll have a much roomier studio space when that time comes. Believe me, it's coming. If I were Kim and Matthias, loop 5 would run on OSX and WinXP. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 09:58 AM, lol c wrote: > > > Morning all................... > > I have just come off the phone with my regular gibson dealer here in > th UK Ive been told that Im looking at paying £900!!! for a new black > faced echoplex.thats $1377 people!!! > Im wondering if anyone on list knows of a cheaper way of getting hold > of an EDP. > What are you guys paying in the states? > I would ideally like a unit with loop4 but would settle for a white > face unit with loop3 if it was more in my price range. > > anyways, any info would be appreciated > Phill > > Oh by the way, i'll take second hand if anyone is looking to sell!! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 14:08:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NI5KB10217; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:05:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:03:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3900=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Im wondering if anyone on list knows of a cheaper way of getting >hold of an EDP. >What are you guys paying in the states? About $750 US. Footswitch is roughly $100 more. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 14:29:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NIRLl13106; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:27:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:27:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c369a5$2f0b5ce0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Tomasz Krakowiak + sin(theta) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:34:27 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 26th 2003 - Tomasz Krakowiak with Mike Hansen, Aidan Baker & DJ Blameshifter plus sin(theta) Tomasz Krakowiak (amplified drum table, minidisc live sampling) brings along his friends Aidan Baker (guitars, loops, electronics), Mike Hansen (record players, electronics) and DJ Blameshifter (laptop, visuals) to load the Ping's stage with subtle sonic mayhem. http://www3.sympatico.ca/krakowiak Opening the night, David McCallum (sin(theta)), also a member of LEARK, wants to shorten the distance between music & musician in the laptop realm. It should sound like it doesn't come from a laptop: hands-on music with none of that removed rigidity. Expect ambient to electroacoustic minimalism. Catch this local before he moves to Sweden in September and transforms into unforgiveable Eurotrash! http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta Between Sets CD: "Over Ruins" by Jeff Greinke (Projekt - 1996) Dark subterranean soundscapes from American composer Greinke, which were originally released on cassette & vinyl in 1984/86 and later re-released on the "Over Ruins / Moving Climates" CD. http://www.hypnos.com/greinke . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday September 2nd - Six Heads http://members.rogers.com/dis.songs/SixHeads.html" Between Sets CD - "Piece of Infinity" by Steve Roach http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Mandela" by Foy There is a beauty in minimalism, a charm in the microscopic. It's all about finding the details. And "Mandela" by Foy is filled with details, filled with charm, filled with beauty. Disc opener De Cirkel paints an aural landscape using slow sweeping pads that lie underneath a percolating, expanding rhythm track gradually building and growing. Track three, Zacht Licht uses sparse piano and drums to create a delicate and fragile beauty. Slowly melting into track 4, Versplinterde, the same minimal instrumentation continues taking on a certain melancholy tone to it, but maintaining the same beguiling nature as it's earlier parts. And so it goes... Pulsing and dreaming, "Mandela" by Foy creates an environment where sound washes through the mind and light percussion keeps time with the beating of your heart. A truly beautiful experience both in terms of sound and in the resultant atmospheres. rik maclean - - rik@pingthings.com This month at http://www.pingthings.com - an exclusive interview with Mercurine plus the ping things *massive* first anniversary sale... Have a look at what's available. Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 14:33:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NISCs13261; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c369a4$ea8d7d00$9a184b43@bwanacentral> From: "Kerry Maxwell" To: Subject: Powering the Digitech PDS 8000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:32:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <2dRfNB.A.CPD.7I7R_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am using my newly purchased PDS 8000 Echo + with 9v alkalines for now, but am planning a pedalboard with the Voodoo Labs Pedal Power II for juice. The PPII has the option to set some of the power out jacks to *Boss ACA* (or 12.2v). Anyone have experience with running the PDS 8000 at a slightly higher voltage? The manual says it can take up to 15v, so I'm not too worried about frying it. I am more interested in the effect this would have on sound quality, if any. Thanks Kerry M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 14:42:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NIeTT14618; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:38:22 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c369a5$bc1244a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <5FB552A2-D58D-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7NIeSW14594 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, Besides making an ass out of yourself and missing my point completely, was there something else you wanted to say? I lost it in the translation... Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 1:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Perhaps if you got out of your "I'm the god of fixing electronic gear, look at me" stance you'd come across an Adrian Belew or King Crimson album and realize that there is looping (by he and/or his partner Robert Fripp) on almost every single album (including the 2 that I offer a counter review of) Adrian Belew has been a looper for many many years and I think currently uses a Repeater in his rig as well as a Johnson (Digitech) amp with on board looping capabilities (I've heard that his amps are basically Digitech 2120s with solid state amplifier stages and dual 12" cab all in one box) More on that here: http://www.adrianbelew.net/texnspex.htm So, before you ask a pointed question, you might take want to word it more like, "Is there looping on this album?" or maybe do a quick google search on "Adrian Belew + Loops" because a lot would have come up and it would have been a nice change from soldering op amps. yours truly, Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Will Brake wrote: > What part of this post has anything remotely relevant to looping? Can > we get back on topic? > >   > > Respect > >   > > Will Brake > > Soul Fruit Electronics > >   > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview > >   > > Here's the comments I submitted to the online mag: > > The Power to Repeat > > As someone who's been in love with King Crimson since I discovered > Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the > risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. I don't think it's nearly as > interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of their strongest albums. > Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth stuff happening. > It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why he's > dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them > through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, > no? And eyes wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every > time. Maybe one of the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album > twice for some reason. First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the > identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind > of lame. I'd loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or > totally different mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes > on the Level 5 album as well. With all that said, I think TPTB is > still a great album and many of the songs have made it into my iPod > where they pop up from time to time and amaze and inspire. If you're > looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. I > think they're better representations of great song writing and > interesting playing. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 14:54:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NIqGi15961; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:52:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:52:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:46:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c369a6$ecadda10$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <5FB552A2-D58D-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7NIqFW15934 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But seriously, Belew isn't looping on tour (that I was able to hear) and there are way too many people blathering on about too many topics that are not loop oriented. It takes lots of time to read through these and I'm probably not the only person that is a little tired of it. As far as the tech god pedestal thing, you put me up there. I NEVER said I was the answer to your tech prayers. In fact, I'm just a man, definitely NOT a god.I'm just a guy trying to do right by musicians and am fortunate enough to make a living doing it. Grow up a little bit and deflate your ego for a second. BTW - I love Belew, always have. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 1:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Perhaps if you got out of your "I'm the god of fixing electronic gear, look at me" stance you'd come across an Adrian Belew or King Crimson album and realize that there is looping (by he and/or his partner Robert Fripp) on almost every single album (including the 2 that I offer a counter review of) Adrian Belew has been a looper for many many years and I think currently uses a Repeater in his rig as well as a Johnson (Digitech) amp with on board looping capabilities (I've heard that his amps are basically Digitech 2120s with solid state amplifier stages and dual 12" cab all in one box) More on that here: http://www.adrianbelew.net/texnspex.htm So, before you ask a pointed question, you might take want to word it more like, "Is there looping on this album?" or maybe do a quick google search on "Adrian Belew + Loops" because a lot would have come up and it would have been a nice change from soldering op amps. yours truly, Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Will Brake wrote: > What part of this post has anything remotely relevant to looping? Can > we get back on topic? > >   > > Respect > >   > > Will Brake > > Soul Fruit Electronics > >   > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview > >   > > Here's the comments I submitted to the online mag: > > The Power to Repeat > > As someone who's been in love with King Crimson since I discovered > Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the > risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. I don't think it's nearly as > interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of their strongest albums. > Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth stuff happening. > It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why he's > dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them > through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, > no? And eyes wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every > time. Maybe one of the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album > twice for some reason. First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the > identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind > of lame. I'd loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or > totally different mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes > on the Level 5 album as well. With all that said, I think TPTB is > still a great album and many of the songs have made it into my iPod > where they pop up from time to time and amaze and inspire. If you're > looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. I > think they're better representations of great song writing and > interesting playing. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 15:17:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NJEPr25880; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F47BBDE.AB49EBC7@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:09:19 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hardware vs. software etc... (Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3900=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21?=) References: <339F0D26-D592-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well met, O Mark! Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Amazing eh? Good thing you don't want to do stereo looping or your > looper would set you back about the price of a good used automobile. Ah good, the obligatory Sottilaro EDP Stereo Gripe is gotten out of the way at the beginning! ;) (Teasing, dude.) > Frankly, I've abandoned the idea of ever owning an EDP. Not because I > couldn't come up with that money, but because I just don't think it's > worth it, especially now with software loopers starting to hit the > market that will make your laptop your best looping friend. Probably the single biggest gulf between hardware and software loopers is the ability to work with live-input audio in the way that EDP/Repeater/DL4 people are accustomed to. A program like Radial is amazing, but it doesn't allow for a real-time input. Those programs that DO allow for live input still don't offer the exact same feature set as an EDP (for example). And there's the oft-stated issue of various kinds of latencies that exist in computer-based operating systems. Even if you do get a "perfect" software clone of LoopIV, will it "feel" exactly the same on a millisecond-by-millisecond basis? For someone like myself, who's spent years practicing the manual timing of unquantized pedal presses, that's a significant issue. > Basically, I've given up looking for the ultimate dedicated hardware > looper. I don't think it will ever exist because of the nitch market > we are. The EDP is expensive and it looks like there will never be a > significant hardware upgrade for it. One of the main reasons the EDP costs what it does is because it has so little in the way of direct competition. Not even so much in terms of hardware loopers, but in terms of what the EDP itself can specifically do that nothing else can - hardware OR software. Not everyone wants or needs those features, but those of us who do aren't going to find a program like Ableton Live or Reaktor to be a replacement. They're different "instruments," and using them requires a different set of mental and physical "techniques" (in both the figurative and literal sense) in order to play them. For people who really understand what they can do, and where they're coming from, an Echoplex and a Repeater are no more in competition with one another than are an Ibanez 7-string and a Gretsch hollowbody. And an Echoplex is no more in competition with a program like Ableton Live than an analog recording studio is in competition with Pro Tools - especially for the recording engineer who's spent years learning how to coax the right sort of sound out of tape oxides, tube preamps, and console channels... or musicians who have built their craft off of the limitation/parameter/reality of having to get a take down by playing it live, rather than recording two dozen takes and comping them together with a mouse and a hard drive. The electric guitar's been around for at least 50 years, but has anyone ever made an "ultimate" electric guitar? A Les Paul's a wonderful instrument, and if you build your playing technique around having two humbuckers and a fixed bridge, you'll get very attatched to it. But if you want a whammy bar and single coils, it's not for you. Is there a reason why Keller Williams and Phil Keaggy still use JamMans? Why David Torn still carries around 20-year-old Lexicon hardware (including the one emulated by PSP's software) in his performance rack, even though he uses the latest and greatest software programs in his home studio? Why Robert Fripp likes multiple hardware TC Electronics digital delays? Why Nels Cline and Bill Frisell still use ancient Electro-Harmonix pedals? Why people still covet MiniMoogs, after a decade of virtual analog hardware and software synths? Why people will spend thousands of dollars on amassing collections of instruments and amps, instead of just buying a single Line6 modelling guitar and amplifier? One thing I've noticed about a lot of people who really like the EDP is that they tend to be serious players/performers. My theory is that they gravitate towards the fact that the Echoplex has a very specific, narrowly-focused feature set, which is designed and implemented by guys who are themselves instrumental performers, because they're already of the mindset to develop an approach within a tightly-defined vision. The very act of "learning to play an instrument" basically involves being presented with a set of very narrow parameters, and then spending years/decades/a lifetime learning how to make music by working within those parameters. And people who really respond to the EDP seem to zero in on that aspect of its design. On the other hand (and at the risk of over-simplifying), people who don't dig the EDP are generally looking for "more" options - more audio channels, more tracks within a given loop, more memory - basically, a "bigger" and "broader" general universe of possibilities. The more subtle (and unique) aspect of the Echoplex - and the VERY deep and broad world of possibilities within that particular world - don't seem to be much of an issue for these folks. So certainly, if someone can comfortably go between Digital Performer, Reaktor, MAX/MSP, Ableton Live, or a Repeater for their looping needs, they aren't going to need to bother with an EDP. Because the common ground amongst all of those programs is so broad generalized that there's very little crossover with what an Echoplex can do. In the meantime, it seems to me the choice is: 1) a $750 EDP and a $130 MIDI pedal 2) a laptop computer, a control interface to trigger the functions of the computer without having to use a QWERTY keyboard, a MIDI interface for the controller to talk to the computer (if my preferred controller of choice doesn't have a USB port), an audio interface with low enough input latency to not be (too) noticable (or zero-latency input monitoring, which would require me to deal with the pre-software sound of the input instrument), enough dedicated channels within the audio interface to allow me to blend my live input instrument with the post-software sound (or, barring that, a dedicated hardware mixer), enough RAM to allow the programs to run smoothly, however many programs I might want to run (individually or simultaneously)... and it STILL won't let me do what an EDP can do. Not exactly a neck-and-neck competition, from my point of view. Anyway... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 15:31:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NJTj727849; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:29:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:29:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=A3900!!!!!!!!!!!?= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:29:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <339F0D26-D592-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com abandoned the idea of ever owning an EDP. Not because I couldn't come up with that money, but because I just don't think it's worth it, especially now with software loopers starting to hit the market that will make your laptop your best looping friend. My reply-- Believe me, it's worth it! Not that I won't start using a dedicated computer with looping software when the right combination presents itself--but the EDP is way worth a grand . . . maybe not nine hundred pounds tho . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 15:52:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NJpKl30571; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:51:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823125155.023eebf0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:53:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: £900!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:58 AM 8/23/2003, lol c wrote: > I have just come off the phone with my regular gibson dealer here in th > UK Ive been told that Im looking at paying £900!!! for a new black faced > echoplex.thats $1377 people!!! sounds like list price. no discounting? >I would ideally like a unit with loop4 but would settle for a white face >unit with loop3 if it was more in my price range. you can upgrade the old units to LoopIV for $100. http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 16:32:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NKTKF03475; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:29:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:29:18 -0700 Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c369a6$ecadda10$7f613d44@soulfruit> Message-Id: <787C3300-D5A8-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7NKTJW03452 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unsubscribe if you don't like it. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Will Brake wrote: > But seriously, Belew isn't looping on tour (that I was able to hear) > and > there are way too many people blathering on about too many topics that > are not loop oriented. It takes lots of time to read through these and > I'm probably not the only person that is a little tired of it. > > As far as the tech god pedestal thing, you put me up there. I NEVER > said > I was the answer to your tech prayers. In fact, I'm just a man, > definitely NOT a god.I'm just a guy trying to do right by musicians and > am fortunate enough to make a living doing it. Grow up a little bit and > deflate your ego for a second. > > BTW - I love Belew, always have. > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 1:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) > > Perhaps if you got out of your "I'm the god of fixing electronic gear, > look at me" stance you'd come across an Adrian Belew or King Crimson > album and realize that there is looping (by he and/or his partner > Robert Fripp) on almost every single album (including the 2 that I > offer a counter review of) Adrian Belew has been a looper for many > many years and I think currently uses a Repeater in his rig as well as > a Johnson (Digitech) amp with on board looping capabilities (I've heard > that his amps are basically Digitech 2120s with solid state amplifier > stages and dual 12" cab all in one box) > > More on that here: > > http://www.adrianbelew.net/texnspex.htm > > So, before you ask a pointed question, you might take want to word it > more like, "Is there looping on this album?" or maybe do a quick google > search on "Adrian Belew + Loops" because a lot would have come up and > it would have been a nice change from soldering op amps. > > yours truly, > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Will Brake wrote: > >> What part of this post has anything remotely relevant to looping? Can >> we get back on topic? >> >>   >> >> Respect >> >>   >> >> Will Brake >> >> Soul Fruit Electronics >> >>   >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:26 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview >> >>   >> >> Here's the comments I submitted to the online mag: >> >> The Power to Repeat >> >> As someone who's been in love with King Crimson since I discovered >> Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the > >> risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. I don't think it's nearly as >> interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of their strongest albums. >> Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth stuff happening. >> It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why he's >> dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them >> through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, >> no? And eyes wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every >> time. Maybe one of the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album >> twice for some reason. First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the > >> identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind > >> of lame. I'd loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or >> totally different mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes >> on the Level 5 album as well. With all that said, I think TPTB is >> still a great album and many of the songs have made it into my iPod >> where they pop up from time to time and amaze and inspire. If you're >> looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. I >> think they're better representations of great song writing and >> interesting playing. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 17:44:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NLhJT11674; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:43:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:43:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:40:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c369bf$2185c230$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <787C3300-D5A8-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7NLhJW11647 Resent-Message-ID: <1GYrbD.A.P2C.3_9R_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the tip Mark. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 4:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Unsubscribe if you don't like it. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Will Brake wrote: > But seriously, Belew isn't looping on tour (that I was able to hear) > and > there are way too many people blathering on about too many topics that > are not loop oriented. It takes lots of time to read through these and > I'm probably not the only person that is a little tired of it. > > As far as the tech god pedestal thing, you put me up there. I NEVER > said > I was the answer to your tech prayers. In fact, I'm just a man, > definitely NOT a god.I'm just a guy trying to do right by musicians and > am fortunate enough to make a living doing it. Grow up a little bit and > deflate your ego for a second. > > BTW - I love Belew, always have. > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 1:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) > > Perhaps if you got out of your "I'm the god of fixing electronic gear, > look at me" stance you'd come across an Adrian Belew or King Crimson > album and realize that there is looping (by he and/or his partner > Robert Fripp) on almost every single album (including the 2 that I > offer a counter review of) Adrian Belew has been a looper for many > many years and I think currently uses a Repeater in his rig as well as > a Johnson (Digitech) amp with on board looping capabilities (I've heard > that his amps are basically Digitech 2120s with solid state amplifier > stages and dual 12" cab all in one box) > > More on that here: > > http://www.adrianbelew.net/texnspex.htm > > So, before you ask a pointed question, you might take want to word it > more like, "Is there looping on this album?" or maybe do a quick google > search on "Adrian Belew + Loops" because a lot would have come up and > it would have been a nice change from soldering op amps. > > yours truly, > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Will Brake wrote: > >> What part of this post has anything remotely relevant to looping? Can >> we get back on topic? >> >>   >> >> Respect >> >>   >> >> Will Brake >> >> Soul Fruit Electronics >> >>   >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:26 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview >> >>   >> >> Here's the comments I submitted to the online mag: >> >> The Power to Repeat >> >> As someone who's been in love with King Crimson since I discovered >> Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the > >> risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. I don't think it's nearly as >> interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of their strongest albums. >> Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth stuff happening. >> It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why he's >> dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them >> through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, >> no? And eyes wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every >> time. Maybe one of the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album >> twice for some reason. First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the > >> identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind > >> of lame. I'd loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or >> totally different mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes >> on the Level 5 album as well. With all that said, I think TPTB is >> still a great album and many of the songs have made it into my iPod >> where they pop up from time to time and amaze and inspire. If you're >> looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. I >> think they're better representations of great song writing and >> interesting playing. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 17:45:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NLbrs11123; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:37:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: future loopers Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:39:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c369be$f9e14a60$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20030822154236.008cb730@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! I take a vacation for a week and see what happens??? You guys get down to business and discuss the FUTURE! At least you know the virus vector wasn't me since my computer was off. Interesting discussion. We are entering a period where we can try-out new looper ideas without investing in custom hardware. Tools like MAX/MSP, Reaktor, and (I'd like to think) my Looper Construction Kit for Kyma permit us to proto-type our ideas before committing them to silicon or a custom application. I know we don't have a lot of Kyma users on the LD list, but I'd like to encourage folks (Kyma-less or not) to look at the LCK manual (www.greenteasoftware.com/lck_manual.htm). In developing the LCK, it was my intention to provide a tool-kit for the easy construction of new loopers and looping paradigms. It's sort of a language or library for building loopers. I have ideas for extending it but I'm always interested in new features from others. I'm also quite interested in *using* the LCK to build "future loopers", so please keep posting ideas or send them directly to me if you prefer. The major problem I see, that I have not seen discussed, is how to control the future looper. We of the LD community seem satisfied (mostly) with the MIDI footpedal/switch control. But I have some LCK customers who do not want to touch a button, switch, or pedal when looping. For example, they might "score" a compostion using Kyma's timeline feature. (This is the typical, linear, sequential tool that it sounds like, as adapted for Kyma.) Loop recording/playback/overdubbing/etc occurs at certain pre-set times in the composition. Other folks trigger looper events based on pitch recognition, e.g., playing A-440 for a given time period may start loop recording. Even if you prefer controls like buttons/switches/keyboards/pedals, you still have the problem of too many features to conveniently control. Especially with controls initially designed for functions like patch switching or volume fading. While there are many ways of using a looper, most of us (myself included) play some other instrument (guitar, perc, voice, etc) into the looper. Our main axe serves as the sound source for the looper, which we consequently manipulate. It's as if we're playing two instruments simultaneously. That's why using a full featured looper such as the EDP/Repeater/etc can be overwhelming at first. In addition, I tend to "look" at my EDP a lot to see which state it's in. So besides the input control issue, we have the status display issue, too. Maybe we need a "heads-up" display so we can see the looper state while we do the audience eye-contact thing. So what's folk's ideas for looper controls? Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 18:03:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NM2dv14867; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:02:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:02:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Hardware_vs=2E_software_etc=2E=2E=2E_=28R?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?e=3A__=A3900=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=29?= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:02:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C369C2.436B4020" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C369C2.436B4020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keller Williams doesn't still use a Jamman. He uses an EDP. Just saying because I am new to this looping thing and got inot it through Keller. = . . .so I read up a lot on his gear. Onstage with...Jam-band looper Keller Williams http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_jamband_looper_keller/ -DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net]=20 >>Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 3:09 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Hardware vs. software etc... (Re: =A3900!!!!!!!!!!!) >> >> >>Well met, O Mark! >> >>Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>Is there a reason why Keller Williams and Phil Keaggy still=20 >>use JamMans? =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C369C2.436B4020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Hardware vs. software etc... (Re: = =A3900!!!!!!!!!!!)

Keller Williams doesn't still use a Jamman. He uses = an EDP. Just saying because I am new to this looping thing and got inot = it through Keller. . . .so I read up a lot on his gear.

Onstage with...Jam-band looper Keller Williams
http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_jamband_looper_ke= ller/

-DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net= ]
>>Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 3:09 = PM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Hardware vs. software etc... (Re: = =A3900!!!!!!!!!!!)
>>
>>
>>Well met, O Mark!
>>
>>Mark Sottilaro wrote:

>>Is there a reason why Keller Williams and = Phil Keaggy still
>>use JamMans? 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C369C2.436B4020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 18:19:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NMDxN16325; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <134.242f4b35.2c794120@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:13:52 EDT Subject: Re: Rick's future looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I personally love the time stretch features of the Repeater and would only > add that it would be cool to > add two octaves up and two octaves down repitching of the loops (the > Repeater sadly eliminated > the second octave up). > > Someone should make this thing a reality: > > Andy? Matthias? Kim? anyone? > > Of course, I realize that I, as a non-programmer, haven't the faintest clue > about how difficult it would be to > develop such a thing but I wonder how many looping programmers on this list > would be into volunteering > to develop individual parts of such a wish list looper under the guidance of > one or two or three individuals. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 18:22:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NMKQR16961; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:20:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:22:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc In-Reply-To: <339F0D26-D592-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8MUtgC.A.5IE.qi-R_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:49 AM 8/23/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > There have recently been a few posts about what Reaktor 4 can do and it > sounds amazingly promising. So for years now I've been hearing about all the potential and promise of Reaktor for creating loopers. Even more years for Max/MSP. I'm still waiting. Every looper I've seen created in these was really limited and basically didn't go beyond looping functions from 30 years ago. User interfaces were poorly thought out or non-existent. Features are incomplete and not fully fleshed out. Is this promise ever going to be realized, or is this just a nice fantasy that's never going to come true? Please, somebody show me one really good, modern looper created this way. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 18:48:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7NMkhh19482; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:46:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:46:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F47F022.8000000@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:52:18 -0700 From: brian tester Reply-To: btester@mindspring.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0u2dND.A.SwE.T7-R_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Kim. The point of modular software like max/msp and reaktor is that you can create instruments and user interfaces that meet your particular needs. If you don't see something you like that just means that you have to build it yourself. Inevitably this gives you added insight into the process of making the music -- since you get to do it from the inside out. B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 20:13:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O0ApO29768; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:10:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_=3F900!!!!!!!!!!!?= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 02:12:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check ebay! GIBSON OBERHEIM EDP ECHOPLEX!!! NEW!! $649.99 - 2d 16h 10m Gibson Echoplex Plus With Pedal!!! $839.99 $849.99 - 2d 16h 17m GIBSON OBERHEIM EDP ECHOPLEX!!! NEW!! $649.99 - 2d 16h 33m I got a new one (EDP Plus, LoopIV, with pedal) from altomusic for 849.99. They deliver to Europe, too. I received it within 5 days, including a weekend! Payed about USD 85 more for FedEx and customs (Switzerland). Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] > Sent: Samstag, 23. August 2003 20:03 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: ?900!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Im wondering if anyone on list knows of a cheaper way of getting > >hold of an EDP. > >What are you guys paying in the states? > > About $750 US. Footswitch is roughly $100 more. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 20:24:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O0LBN31008; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:21:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c369d6$1ed1f560$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=A3900!!!!!!!!!!!?= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:24:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [68.163.250.27] at Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:21:03 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Phill - Get someone in America to buy one for you -- and have them bring it over to you in the UK. I'm sure you can find a way to repay the kindness... David ----- Original Message ----- From: "lol c" To: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: £900!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Morning all................... > > I have just come off the phone with my regular gibson dealer here in th UK > Ive been told that Im looking at paying £900!!! for a new black faced > echoplex.thats $1377 people!!! > Im wondering if anyone on list knows of a cheaper way of getting hold of > an EDP. > What are you guys paying in the states? > I would ideally like a unit with loop4 but would settle for a white face > unit with loop3 if it was more in my price range. > > anyways, any info would be appreciated > Phill > > Oh by the way, i'll take second hand if anyone is looking to sell!! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 21:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O1ZGB06908; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:35:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:35:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:35:14 -0700 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hardware_vs._software_etc..._=28Re:__=A3900!!?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?!!!!!!!!!=29?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <358DF4F4-D5D3-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7O1ZGW06884 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Huh, weird. That's a reply to a reply because I (ashamed look) don't know who either of those guys are, but maybe I should learn. Mark On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 03:02 PM, Don Makoviney wrote: > Keller Williams doesn't still use a Jamman. He uses an EDP. Just > saying because I am new to this looping thing and got inot it through > Keller. . . .so I read up a lot on his gear. > > Onstage with...Jam-band looper Keller Williams > http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_jamband_looper_keller/ > > -DM > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > >>Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 3:09 PM > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: Hardware vs. software etc... (Re: £900!!!!!!!!!!!) > >> > >> > >>Well met, O Mark! > >> > >>Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > >>Is there a reason why Keller Williams and Phil Keaggy still > >>use JamMans?  > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 21:40:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O1br107332; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:37:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:37:51 -0700 Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <937BAF3D-D5D3-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2PtvkB.A.ayB.xbBS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've said it before, but Digital Performer is *1* feature away from being one of the most amazing loopers out there. If only there was public outcry for them to add a feedback control to POLAR I would probably sell my Repeater in a heartbeat. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 10:49 AM 8/23/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> There have recently been a few posts about what Reaktor 4 can do >> and it sounds amazingly promising. > > So for years now I've been hearing about all the potential and promise > of Reaktor for creating loopers. Even more years for Max/MSP. > > I'm still waiting. > > Every looper I've seen created in these was really limited and > basically didn't go beyond looping functions from 30 years ago. User > interfaces were poorly thought out or non-existent. Features are > incomplete and not fully fleshed out. Is this promise ever going to be > realized, or is this just a nice fantasy that's never going to come > true? > > Please, somebody show me one really good, modern looper created this > way. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 21:51:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O1leR08273; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:47:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:47:37 -0700 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hardware_vs._software_etc..._=28Re:__=A3900!!?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?!!!!!!!!!=29?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F47BBDE.AB49EBC7@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Exactly Andre, I whole heartedly agree with you 100% on every point. I know we're not there yet with the laptop or PC without additional hardware. Maybe boxes like Plugzilla are closer and could be the next wave. I never said I didn't like the EDP. If money were no object, I'd have two. One of the reasons I got really mad at Electrix wasn't because my looper of choice was going away, but I honestly thought that we might have been embarking on a time when there was some more competition in the high end audio looping world. The success of the Repeater (possible success) would have brought down prices of the EDP and maybe inspired others to come to market with similar devices making it a win win for everyone. Didn't work out that way. I do feel like we're soon to see laptop audio computing take over though. Maybe not now, maybe not next year, but my guess is that in 5 years we're going to see amazing things. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 12:09 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Well met, O Mark! > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> >> Amazing eh? Good thing you don't want to do stereo looping or your >> looper would set you back about the price of a good used automobile. > > Ah good, the obligatory Sottilaro EDP Stereo Gripe is gotten out of the > way at the beginning! ;) (Teasing, dude.) > >> Frankly, I've abandoned the idea of ever owning an EDP. Not because I >> couldn't come up with that money, but because I just don't think it's >> worth it, especially now with software loopers starting to hit the >> market that will make your laptop your best looping friend. > > Probably the single biggest gulf between hardware and software loopers > is the ability to work with live-input audio in the way that > EDP/Repeater/DL4 people are accustomed to. A program like Radial is > amazing, but it doesn't allow for a real-time input. > > Those programs that DO allow for live input still don't offer the exact > same feature set as an EDP (for example). And there's the oft-stated > issue of various kinds of latencies that exist in computer-based > operating systems. Even if you do get a "perfect" software clone of > LoopIV, will it "feel" exactly the same on a millisecond-by-millisecond > basis? For someone like myself, who's spent years practicing the > manual > timing of unquantized pedal presses, that's a significant issue. > >> Basically, I've given up looking for the ultimate dedicated hardware >> looper. I don't think it will ever exist because of the nitch market >> we are. The EDP is expensive and it looks like there will never be a >> significant hardware upgrade for it. > > One of the main reasons the EDP costs what it does is because it has so > little in the way of direct competition. Not even so much in terms of > hardware loopers, but in terms of what the EDP itself can specifically > do that nothing else can - hardware OR software. > > Not everyone wants or needs those features, but those of us who do > aren't going to find a program like Ableton Live or Reaktor to be a > replacement. They're different "instruments," and using them requires > a > different set of mental and physical "techniques" (in both the > figurative and literal sense) in order to play them. > > For people who really understand what they can do, and where they're > coming from, an Echoplex and a Repeater are no more in competition with > one another than are an Ibanez 7-string and a Gretsch hollowbody. > > And an Echoplex is no more in competition with a program like Ableton > Live than an analog recording studio is in competition with Pro Tools - > especially for the recording engineer who's spent years learning how to > coax the right sort of sound out of tape oxides, tube preamps, and > console channels... or musicians who have built their craft off of the > limitation/parameter/reality of having to get a take down by playing it > live, rather than recording two dozen takes and comping them together > with a mouse and a hard drive. > > The electric guitar's been around for at least 50 years, but has anyone > ever made an "ultimate" electric guitar? A Les Paul's a wonderful > instrument, and if you build your playing technique around having two > humbuckers and a fixed bridge, you'll get very attatched to it. But if > you want a whammy bar and single coils, it's not for you. > > Is there a reason why Keller Williams and Phil Keaggy still use > JamMans? > Why David Torn still carries around 20-year-old Lexicon hardware > (including the one emulated by PSP's software) in his performance rack, > even though he uses the latest and greatest software programs in his > home studio? Why Robert Fripp likes multiple hardware TC Electronics > digital delays? Why Nels Cline and Bill Frisell still use ancient > Electro-Harmonix pedals? > > Why people still covet MiniMoogs, after a decade of virtual analog > hardware and software synths? Why people will spend thousands of > dollars on amassing collections of instruments and amps, instead of > just > buying a single Line6 modelling guitar and amplifier? > > One thing I've noticed about a lot of people who really like the EDP is > that they tend to be serious players/performers. My theory is that > they > gravitate towards the fact that the Echoplex has a very specific, > narrowly-focused feature set, which is designed and implemented by guys > who are themselves instrumental performers, because they're already of > the mindset to develop an approach within a tightly-defined vision. > > The very act of "learning to play an instrument" basically involves > being presented with a set of very narrow parameters, and then spending > years/decades/a lifetime learning how to make music by working within > those parameters. And people who really respond to the EDP seem to > zero > in on that aspect of its design. > > On the other hand (and at the risk of over-simplifying), people who > don't dig the EDP are generally looking for "more" options - more audio > channels, more tracks within a given loop, more memory - basically, a > "bigger" and "broader" general universe of possibilities. The more > subtle (and unique) aspect of the Echoplex - and the VERY deep and > broad > world of possibilities within that particular world - don't seem to be > much of an issue for these folks. > > So certainly, if someone can comfortably go between Digital Performer, > Reaktor, MAX/MSP, Ableton Live, or a Repeater for their looping needs, > they aren't going to need to bother with an EDP. Because the common > ground amongst all of those programs is so broad generalized that > there's very little crossover with what an Echoplex can do. > > In the meantime, it seems to me the choice is: > > 1) a $750 EDP and a $130 MIDI pedal > > 2) a laptop computer, a control interface to trigger the functions of > the computer without having to use a QWERTY keyboard, a MIDI interface > for the controller to talk to the computer (if my preferred controller > of choice doesn't have a USB port), an audio interface with low enough > input latency to not be (too) noticable (or zero-latency input > monitoring, which would require me to deal with the pre-software sound > of the input instrument), enough dedicated channels within the audio > interface to allow me to blend my live input instrument with the > post-software sound (or, barring that, a dedicated hardware mixer), > enough RAM to allow the programs to run smoothly, however many programs > I might want to run (individually or simultaneously)... > > and it STILL won't let me do what an EDP can do. > > Not exactly a neck-and-neck competition, from my point of view. > > Anyway... > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 21:56:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O1sbf09546; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:54:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c36433$182d0860$01b52b04@purgatory> References: <000f01c36433$182d0860$01b52b04@purgatory> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:53:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: the annoying open loop guy (was RE: Ooooops, that was a mess.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-6QMFB.A._UC.drBS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't notice this email before... Squid Loop wrote: >Yeah and what about that annoying loop loop loop open open open loop >loop guy -- I get two e-mails from him - one through LD and the other >as if I was directly subscribed to his list which causes me to believe >he ripped the list of e-mails off of LD for his own personal use. I'm that annoying guy. I sent email to the list -- sorry if it appeared twice, I had a devil of a time sending it because the blackout trashed my SMTP server. Should I not be sending announcements for open loop to this list? This gig was entirely inspired by the list, I do it every week and I send out a message for less than a third of the gigs. Quite a few of you have played there or at least seen a show or two. Please let me know, off list, what you think. Thanks. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 22:05:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O24Iq11781; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:04:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:04:15 -0700 Subject: Re: the annoying open loop guy (was RE: Ooooops, that was a mess.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4361B353-D5D7-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't really mind, and I think it's useful (damn, I'd go if I was back in NYC) for people to know about such events, but the below signature that appears in all of your emails might just be enough. Maybe a good idea to promote it would be to start recording these open loops and posting the links each week. That way it would be meaningful to all list members, not just to people in NYC. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 06:53 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every > Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the > calendar. > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the > calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 22:42:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O2dHs15861; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:39:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:39:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002201c369d6$1ed1f560$0affff0a@hppav> References: <002201c369d6$1ed1f560$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:39:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: £900!!!!!!!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5K1n_C.A.q3D.UVCS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Phill - Get someone in America to buy one for you -- and have them bring it >over to you in the UK. what a mad world... they are made in UK... > >I'm sure you can find a way to repay the kindness... > >David > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "lol c" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:58 PM >Subject: £900!!!!!!!!!!! > > >> >> >> Morning all................... >> >> I have just come off the phone with my regular gibson dealer here in th >UK >> Ive been told that Im looking at paying £900!!! for a new black faced >> echoplex.thats $1377 people!!! >> Im wondering if anyone on list knows of a cheaper way of getting hold of >> an EDP. >> What are you guys paying in the states? >> I would ideally like a unit with loop4 but would settle for a white face >> unit with loop3 if it was more in my price range. >> >> anyways, any info would be appreciated >> Phill >> >> Oh by the way, i'll take second hand if anyone is looking to sell!! >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 22:45:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O2gdw16313; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:42:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:42:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <937BAF3D-D5D3-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <937BAF3D-D5D3-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:42:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've said it before, but Digital Performer is *1* feature away from >being one of the most amazing loopers out there. If only there was >public outcry for them to add a feedback control to POLAR I would >probably sell my Repeater in a heartbeat. well, its a completely different structure. Its samples. There is no feedback. So its not just the control for the feedback that lacks. And there are still a lot of other good features that Polar has less than the Repeater, no? > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > >>At 10:49 AM 8/23/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>> There have recently been a few posts about what Reaktor 4 can do >>>and it sounds amazingly promising. >> >>So for years now I've been hearing about all the potential and >>promise of Reaktor for creating loopers. Even more years for >>Max/MSP. >> >>I'm still waiting. >> >>Every looper I've seen created in these was really limited and >>basically didn't go beyond looping functions from 30 years ago. >>User interfaces were poorly thought out or non-existent. Features >>are incomplete and not fully fleshed out. Is this promise ever >>going to be realized, or is this just a nice fantasy that's never >>going to come true? >> >>Please, somebody show me one really good, modern looper created this way. >> >>kim >> >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 22:47:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O2ieZ16618; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:44:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:44:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:44:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Hardware vs. software etc... (Re: £900!! !!!!!!!!!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Marks wisdom: > but my guess is that in 5 years we're going to see amazing things. I am amazed every day. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 23 23:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O3VK122737; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:31:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:31:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.50.182.133] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the annoying open loop guy (was RE: Ooooops, that was a mess.) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:31:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2003 03:31:14.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BF77110:01C369F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Tom its Phill From England, what ever you do,DO keep posting the open loop, if it wasnt for you recomending I come down on here,i would have missed out on two great days of my vacation with you guys. Remember folks,new people join this list all the time, and if gettin one more person into a gig to see live looping means I have to delete one more mail every now and again then.........bring that mail on!!!! its all about that "bigger picture" thing aint it Phill P.S. I know you asked for replys off list but I thought this was an opinion worth sharing. sorry if that creates more junk mail for some people. >From: Tom Ritchford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: the annoying open loop guy (was RE: Ooooops, that was a mess.) >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:53:38 -0400 > >I didn't notice this email before... > > >Squid Loop wrote: > >>Yeah and what about that annoying loop loop loop open open open loop >>loop guy -- I get two e-mails from him - one through LD and the other >>as if I was directly subscribed to his list which causes me to believe >>he ripped the list of e-mails off of LD for his own personal use. > >I'm that annoying guy. I sent email to the list -- sorry if it appeared >twice, I had a devil of a time sending it because the blackout trashed my >SMTP server. > > >Should I not be sending announcements for open loop to this list? > >This gig was entirely inspired by the list, I do it every week and I send >out a message for less than a third of the gigs. Quite a few of you have >played there or at least seen a show or two. > >Please let me know, off list, what you think. Thanks. > > /t >-- > >http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every >Saturday! >http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the >calendar. >http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the >calendar. > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 00:05:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O42Iq27380; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:02:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:01:47 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:04:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-Id: Resent-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Subject: Hello LD Folk From: wavelet To: loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <082E86E6-D5E8-11D7-BEA2-000393B560D0@petebrunelli.com> Resent-From: wavelet X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I have been a LD lurker, archive scavenger, and occasional subscriber. Thanks for all of the great discussion. I'm a bass player that uses looping as a practice tool, compositional tool, and occasionally in performance. I've used a DL4, and a Boomerang, and now I have a EDP Plus. The other boxes were nice, but I think that the EDP is a cut above in both sound quality and seamlessness of the loops. I run a hodgepodge of apps like Logic, Peak, and some plugins under OS X. It is mainly for simple recording and editing. I have found the recent discussion of dedicated hardware vs software/laptop to be enlightening. Like Kim, I'm waiting to see it happen on a PC platform. I think Kyma comes pretty darn close, and I wish I could afford to run that kind of system. Instead of blaming lack of demand/competition for the price of an EDP, I blame those fators for the lack of a dedicated real-time looping app. There are also some obstacles to implementation of real time looping on a computer: latency, OS overhead, external control, and performance across different A/D types come to mind. Someone mentioned USB audio interfaces. Good luck with that. The latency issues are real. Dedicated solutions like the 'rang or the EDP, etc... can eliminate these issues specifically because they don't have to be able to connect to an ethernet network (probably the best control port on a typical machine) or send an email, or type a resume. It can be designed to do one type of task very well. I want it to do one task well, so i am pretty happy with it. Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 01:14:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O5BEb02335; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:11:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:11:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4361B353-D5D7-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <4361B353-D5D7-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:10:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: the annoying open loop guy (was RE: Ooooops, that was a mess.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't really mind, and I think it's useful (damn, I'd go if I was >back in NYC) for people to know about such events, but the below >signature that appears in all of your emails might just be enough. >Maybe a good idea to promote it would be to start recording these >open loops and posting the links each week. That way it would be >meaningful to all list members, not just to people in NYC. Well, I do record every single one of them onto CD, no less... I have some two hundred CDs at this point! I'm slowly going through and mastering 'em and getting 'em out. A friend in Texas remixed one of them for me -- you can hear those here: http://loopNY.com/020928 posted this already, mind you! this isn't that typical, it's half Tony Simms and and half us. I'll post more as I get 'em sampled. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 02:46:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O6iOn11934; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 02:44:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 02:44:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:46:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc In-Reply-To: <3F47F022.8000000@mindspring.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:52 PM 8/23/2003, brian tester wrote: >Hey there Kim. The point of modular software like max/msp and reaktor is >that you can create instruments and user interfaces that meet your >particular needs. yes, I understand that. My point is that people have been saying this for years. So far the number of good loopers I've seen created by these people is 0. So if this is such a great way to create a looper, how come nobody ever does? I'm beginning to draw the conclusion that this these modular software systems are actually a terrible way to create a looper. It seems more like an excellent way for geek musicians to waste a lot of time not playing music. I'm hoping that somebody can prove me wrong and show me a good looper created this way, but I've been waiting years for that now and I haven't seen it yet. >If you don't see something you like that just means that you have to build >it yourself. Inevitably this gives you added insight into the process of >making the music -- since you get to do it from the inside out. Yes, I did that already. It's called the Echoplex. We've spent over 10 years to create it and it was really, really hard. The idea that somebody could just spend a few days stringing together some modules in Reaktor to produce a viable modern looper seems really funny and naive to me. But I'm willing to be proven wrong about that. I'm just tired of hearing about this great promise that is never fulfilled, so I'm challenging you to show me some results. Where is it? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 03:22:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O7Jmo15788; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:19:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:19:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:19:46 -0700 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hardware_vs._software_etc..._=28Re:__=A3900!!?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?!!!!!!!!!=29?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F47BBDE.AB49EBC7@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <572397F2-D603-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 12:09 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > On the other hand (and at the risk of over-simplifying), people who > don't dig the EDP are generally looking for "more" options - more > audio channels, more tracks within a given loop, more memory - > basically, a "bigger" and "broader" general universe of possibilities. > The more subtle (and unique) aspect of the Echoplex - and the VERY > deep and broad world of possibilities within that particular world - > don't seem to be much of an issue for these folks. I thought about this a bit, and I'm not sure you're 100% right about wanting a broader feature set. Maybe more automation could be cool. Imagine a random insert function. Could be fun. On the other hand, since unlike Andre, a lot of my sound sources are stereo, I just want a decent midi synced stereo looper. I've often remarked that the JamMan feature set in 24bit stereo would be heaven for me. Sometimes you want a Swiss Army knife, sometimes you want a dagger. While I'm impressed with what Andre does with Loop4 I know that most of it isn't for me. I think I want something in between a full featured Swiss Army knife and a dagger. I'm also a product of being spoiled by cheap electronics. Back in the day during my time working for Laurie Anderson I was in awe and wonder of the technology around me, including getting to work with Adrian Belew's rig. It was also depressing to realize that it was all so beyond me. I couldn't even imagine owning a 16 bit 24 track digital recorder, yet I'm typing this on one right now. I forgot what the Sony 3224 was selling for in those days (it was what Home of the Brave was recorded with) but it was astronomical by todays standards and took up the space of a dishwasher. Matthias is right about being amazed every day about the technology around us. It's an amazing world we live in. My good friend Keith loves to tell the story about having to be bonded when he first bought 16 bit a/d converters because they were military electronics. Now you can buy them at Radio Shack. But enough of this, "when I was your age" crap. I'm not mad that the EDP in stereo would cost me $1600. I'm mad that I live in a world where not enough people think it's a worthy piece of gear to own to make it worth mass producing it so I can get two for $800. I know the grief that Matthais and Kim went through to get this tool manufactured. I respect that. However, imagine a world where you could buy a rack mounted box that would run any VST instrument... well you don't have to. We're here. Plugzilla. It's new and expensive. I hope the idea hits though. Imagine if Matthais could give the finger to Gibson and just write software for the VST standard and then consumers could buy the box of their choice with the specs they need. I would imagine Plugzilla doesn't have any latency issues like PCs using USB would. Maybe I could run 6 concurrent EDPs in their software form if I wanted. Maybe 1 and a chorus and a killer reverb. You get the idea. I know there's already a keyboard that kind of works in this realm too. Roland is marketing it's VariOS. It's got to be the way things go. Could be really cool. I'm sure I'll just be cranky then and say things like, "I miss the nice heft and volume of my good old 6 space SKB rack..." Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 03:43:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O7efV17628; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:40:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823234852.039425c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:42:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc In-Reply-To: <937BAF3D-D5D3-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-iuBeC.A.RTE.5vGS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:37 PM 8/23/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I've said it before, but Digital Performer is *1* feature away from being >one of the most amazing loopers out there. If only there was public >outcry for them to add a feedback control to POLAR I would probably sell >my Repeater in a heartbeat. You must have really simple needs in a looper, because I look at Digital Performer and it seems to me like a nice recording environment with a simple loop function built in to aid in recording multiple takes. I don't see where it has very many real-time looping functions at all, let alone a user interface aimed at the needs of loopers. It basically does Overdub, and that's about it. As far as I can tell you can't even tap the record points on the fly as you record, which is a pretty key looping function that all loopers have had for at least 15 years. Adding feedback might bring it up to par with loopers from 30 years ago, but I don't quite see how that makes it "one of the most amazing loopers out there". Using DP for real time looping seems like using an ocean liner to play tennis. Wrong tool for the job. But then maybe I'm missing something. After all I only read the available literature about it and saw a demo at some point, I don't use the software. What do I know? How about if you list the real-time looping functions and looper user interface controls of Digital Performer? Then we can see how it stacks up against the dedicated loopers out there. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 03:59:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O7wDk19374; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F487164.6050904@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:03:48 -0700 From: brian tester Reply-To: btester@mindspring.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, shit Kim. I make my living from music and I use a granular looper than I made with Reaktor and I use it on an old-ass G3 powerbook with a usb interface. Live. I also use a dl4 and a headrush. And I play songs; I don't just "jam". So I think the REALLY important thing is not necessarily the hardware/software conundrum--that sounds more like an excuse for not knowing what's up or not being willing to put some work into your setup. The important thing is more the desire to do something worthwhile and the will to put it into action. And the willingness to explore new options and try things that might seem difficult at first. If you're not willing to go this far, then I doubt your music would be worth listening to either. Though I could be wrong; I don't know you ;) There's not much out there that is any good without some imagination and risk-taking involved, however. B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 04:39:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7O8akP28631; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:36:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:36:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824010631.0349be88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:36:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc In-Reply-To: <3F487164.6050904@mindspring.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4dgwoB.A.P_G.ekHS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com talk talk talk. Like I said, I'm tired of talk. I want to see results. Just show me a serious looper made with Reaktor. How about yours? I keep hearing the promise of greatness and never seeing it in the result. All of the loopers I've seen built this way were very limited and amateurish, and had very few modern looping functions. I'm beginning to think that is all I will ever see from this modular do-it-yourself software approach. Is it a false prophet? If I'm wrong, please show me. That's all I'm asking. kim At 01:03 AM 8/24/2003, brian tester wrote: >Well, shit Kim. I make my living from music and I use a granular looper >than I made with Reaktor and I use it on an old-ass G3 powerbook with a >usb interface. Live. I also use a dl4 and a headrush. And I play songs; >I don't just "jam". So I think the REALLY important thing is not >necessarily the hardware/software conundrum--that sounds more like an >excuse for not knowing what's up or not being willing to put some work >into your setup. The important thing is more the desire to do something >worthwhile and the will to put it into action. And the willingness to >explore new options and try things that might seem difficult at first. If >you're not willing to go this far, then I doubt your music would be worth >listening to either. Though I could be wrong; I don't know you ;) There's >not much out there that is any good without some imagination and >risk-taking involved, however. > >B. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 11:00:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OEveg31356; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:57:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:57:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c36a50$908b92e0$13d6a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:01:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.214.19] at Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:57:32 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a person who has worked in software companies for 15 years, I've so often seen how eager and intelligent people completely underestimate the complexities and difficulties of creating good working software. Congratulations to the Aurisis team for what they have done -- so far, it seems NO ONE else has done anything nearly as well thought out and executed on their plans. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:46 AM Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc > At 03:52 PM 8/23/2003, brian tester wrote: > >Hey there Kim. The point of modular software like max/msp and reaktor is > >that you can create instruments and user interfaces that meet your > >particular needs. > > yes, I understand that. My point is that people have been saying this for > years. So far the number of good loopers I've seen created by these people > is 0. So if this is such a great way to create a looper, how come nobody > ever does? > > I'm beginning to draw the conclusion that this these modular software > systems are actually a terrible way to create a looper. It seems more like > an excellent way for geek musicians to waste a lot of time not playing > music. I'm hoping that somebody can prove me wrong and show me a good > looper created this way, but I've been waiting years for that now and I > haven't seen it yet. > > >If you don't see something you like that just means that you have to build > >it yourself. Inevitably this gives you added insight into the process of > >making the music -- since you get to do it from the inside out. > > Yes, I did that already. It's called the Echoplex. We've spent over 10 > years to create it and it was really, really hard. The idea that somebody > could just spend a few days stringing together some modules in Reaktor to > produce a viable modern looper seems really funny and naive to me. But I'm > willing to be proven wrong about that. I'm just tired of hearing about this > great promise that is never fulfilled, so I'm challenging you to show me > some results. Where is it? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 11:02:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OF0Hs00689; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:00:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:00:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:00:15 -0700 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hardware_vs._software_etc..._=28Re:__=A3900!!?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?!!!!!!!!!=29?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308240759.h7O7xGL20860@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm skeptical, and there's no way I'm going to use the same computer for musical performance that I use to check my email and all my other mundane computer activities. My home computer is too valuable to take out of the house, and ditto for my dedicated HD recording system. So, for me it would mean buying another laptop for this hypothetical looping software, which means that I'm back to using dedicated hardware for looping, and the cheapest laptops are the ones with the worst latency/reliability issues. Plus, as soon as someone cooks up the "EDP in software" app, people are going to want the ability to run a bunch of VST instruments and other audio apps concurrently on the same box, and I can't imagine that there aren't going to some painful latency/glitch/crash issues that I wouldn't be willing to tolerate on dedicated hardware. Plus, you can't rackmount a laptop in any easy manner, and I'm always going to have some rack gear at the gig, so I'd really like to have everything bolted down into the same box if possible. And every laptop I've worked with emits a huge amount of electrical interference within three or four feet. TravisH On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:59 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I do feel like we're soon to see laptop audio computing take over > though. Maybe not now, maybe not next year, but my guess is that in 5 > years we're going to see amazing things. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 11:10:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OF6vW01587; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:06:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:06:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: ableton live questions Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:06:45 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001701c36a51$58776220$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002701c36902$ec342fc0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > limitations, but really, the biggest (vs. my EDP mindset) is > the inability to set tempo on the fly by recording the first > loop or cycle. Yes, and IMHO also - no overdub - no feedback - no midi control for real-time pitching of recorded clips I've spent some time with Ableton Live over the last couple of days and found different workarounds for all three limitations. Nothing like the real thing though and I have to say that my first impressions of Ableton Live is that it is rather limited, compared to the EDP. But this is my point of view being a performing musician. Of course you can get almost any sound out of looping with Ableton, but that's not the way I personally prefere to make music. Talking about intuitive tools for musical expression, the EDP is still ruling over here. For the pitching limitation I tried the free VST plug-in MDA Tracker (pitching down one octave) and by combining it with a compressor I got a quite nice bass sound from loops recorded by a guitar. The feedback and overdub limitation were partially fixed by the plug-in PSP42. However I could not get the PSP42 to read the midi Continuous Controllers I sent it from my Behringer FCB1010 floor pedal (have mailed PSP on the matter and hoping on support). PSP42 parameters I'd like to manipulate from pedals while playing are Feedback, RptInf (freeze like a sampler), DlyX2 (HalfSpeed/FullSpeed), Delay Time. There seems to be two major concepts for using Ableton as a live looper. Either you (1) set up a lot of tracks with plug-ins and use a foot controller to jump between tracks to record clips that will then play back through the plug-ins, or you (2) use as few tracks as possible but control the plug-ins in real-time (like you can do with the PSP42). Personally I'd like to focus on the second concept and combine it with foot buttons for as many "scenes" as possible (changing "scene" is simply to step up one slot in all tracks). Then you can work on the PSP42 and build up something nice and then record it into an Ableton slot (as a "clip"). It's not the plug-in output that is getting recorded but the input/instrument signal. But if you don't change the PSP42 parameters it will continue to sound the same (but If you keep changing the plug-in this clip might sound even cooler next time you get back to it, either by changing "scene" or simply starting/stopping the clip). I found a cool thing with midi controlling "scenes": If you close one slot in scene one and then go to scene two for a while this slot will still be closed when you come back to scan one. And if you step on the command for scan one when you already are in scene one it will have the effect that all stopped clips will be started and all looping clips will be stopped (I'm running Ableton in "Launch Mode: Toggle"). Another thing I was thinking of is how many cool software plug-ins for live playing there are (and will be ;-). The latency of 4 milliseconds was clearly recognizable but If you are a musician you are used to play "before" or "after" the time base and can adapt to latency. But the less latency the better, of course! I got rid of some latency by skipping my red POD and lining the guitar right into the sound cards break-out box input. And I found a good guitar sound in using the Ohmforce Predatohm plug-in. Other nice plug-ins I liked playing through are the othe plugs from Ohmforce: Ohmboys and Hematohm. Other great fx I fell in love with are the PSP84 and of course the PSP42. The PSP84 did very well in one of Abletons fx loops (with an ordinary reverb in the other fx loop). I also found out that I could use Ableton Live as a "fx rack pre amp". I followed Doug's advice and signed foot buttons to the start/record clip function and then I also assinged, to the same foot button, a second midi command for "monitor enable" of the same Ableton track. So by stepping between the tracks I also monitored my instrument through these tracks - including all those lovely VST plug-ins ;-D I have only given this a brief check-out yet, since I'm still waiting for my real copy of Ableton 2.1. This test was done on a cracked 2.0 copy and maybe that can explain some problems I had. One BIG problem was the denormalizing but in the P4 processor. When using the MDA Tracker for the bass looping channel I could not leave any channel empty without that dreadful CPU death starting. I downloaded Digital Fishphones normaliser plug-in but it didn't help. Maybe I can fix it by putting a silent audio file in all clips at scene one and then start looping from scene two? Don't know yet. Will not put more time into this until I have the real program. On this 1,8 GHz machine I never used more than 27% of the CPU power with five tracks looping through three to four plug-ins on each channel. I hope it will work on my 700 MHz P3 laptop. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 11:12:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OF8uZ01893; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:08:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:08:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c36a52$24131a00$13d6a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?laptop_--_electrical_interferance:__WAS:_Hardware_vs._soft?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ware_etc..._=28Re:__=A3900!!!!!!!!!!!=29?= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:12:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.214.19] at Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:08:49 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis writes: > And every laptop I've worked with > emits a huge amount of electrical interference within three or four > feet. For the folks who are playing shows with a mixed LAPTOP / RACK set-up 1) have you had rf interference problems? 2) If so, what work-arounds have you come up with? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 11:23:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OFInH03129; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:18:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:18:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:18:41 EDT Subject: Re: the annoying open loop guy (was RE: Ooooops, that was a mess.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ac.466feeed.2c7a3151_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ac.466feeed.2c7a3151_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/03 9:54:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com writes: > Should I not be sending announcements for open loop to this list? > tom.....you should not only send announcements to LD but also some reviews of these gigs.....i hope to some day get up there and sit in on the festivities.....regarding the ''playlist'' for the radio show, that's just a delete click away.....michael --part1_ac.466feeed.2c7a3151_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/23/0= 3 9:54:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com writes:


Should I not be sending announc= ements for open loop to this list?


tom.....you should not only send announcements to LD but also some reviews o= f these gigs.....i hope to some day get up there and sit in on the festiviti= es.....regarding the ''playlist'' for the radio show, that's just a delete c= lick away.....michael --part1_ac.466feeed.2c7a3151_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 11:33:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OFTJr04800; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F48D89E.2C864460@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:24:15 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1o5D0.A.3KB.OnNS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excerpts from Wired magazine (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.05/laptop.html): -------------------- Software instruments never stop changing, never stop offering up more of those infinite possibilities we're always hearing about. Compare the situation with, say, playing an acoustic guitar. Years of practice are necessary before you really begin to discover the hidden potential inside that rounded box with six metal strings and a hole. But right off the bat, software instruments - especially modular ones like Max/MSP and Reaktor - provide a dizzying number of powerful effects. This makes it easy to endlessly tweak your material rather than to accept the constraints that partly define the act of composition. And this is particularly true when you can tinker not only with the sound but with the virtual machine that makes the sound. "There are two approaches you can take with your music software," says Gerhard Behles, who quit Monolake in order to run Ableton full-time. "One is to consider your tools as fixed. The other is to control the tools themselves. That gives you a much bigger lever. But it can keep you from ever doing music again." Joshua Clayton programs for Cycling '74 and remains captivated by the nitty-gritty processing available in environments like Max/MSP. Clayton also has concerns about the aesthetic attitude that such programs can produce. "I find that people who use Max and similar programs often aspire to be the god behind the universe, to come up with a formal system that's completely under their control. Some people can't wait to get everything inside the computer so they can generate some kind of utopian music that's all contained within the machine." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 12:31:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OGTMa13255; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:29:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:30:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Linux EDP software X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I don't know if there are any Linux users out there, but if there are they may be interested in this: http://dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/ which claims to be a software emulation of the EDP. I've no idea if it works - it just turned up on a web search. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 14:03:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OHxON25916; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:59:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:59:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030824120659.007cfcb0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:06:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) In-Reply-To: <787C3300-D5A8-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <002f01c369a6$ecadda10$7f613d44@soulfruit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7OHxNW25892 Resent-Message-ID: <_ZABQB.A.zUG.7zPS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya know mark, I'm not even sure if you're going to get to see this or not, but ya know, yer' just a fucking bully! -plain and simple. You pick fights and then tell people to go to hell when they defend themselves. Stop using this list as your personal therapy session, K? I for one, don't want to read it, -or I suppose I could go through the trouble of filtering you or unsubscribing, because you won't take responsibility for your actions. -anyway, -just my thoughts of course. Cara At 01:29 PM 8/23/03 -0700, you wrote: >Unsubscribe if you don't like it. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Will Brake wrote: > >> But seriously, Belew isn't looping on tour (that I was able to hear) >> and >> there are way too many people blathering on about too many topics that >> are not loop oriented. It takes lots of time to read through these and >> I'm probably not the only person that is a little tired of it. >> >> As far as the tech god pedestal thing, you put me up there. I NEVER >> said >> I was the answer to your tech prayers. In fact, I'm just a man, >> definitely NOT a god.I'm just a guy trying to do right by musicians and >> am fortunate enough to make a living doing it. Grow up a little bit and >> deflate your ego for a second. >> >> BTW - I love Belew, always have. >> >> Respect >> >> Will Brake >> Soul Fruit Electronics >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 1:15 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) >> >> Perhaps if you got out of your "I'm the god of fixing electronic gear, >> look at me" stance you'd come across an Adrian Belew or King Crimson >> album and realize that there is looping (by he and/or his partner >> Robert Fripp) on almost every single album (including the 2 that I >> offer a counter review of) Adrian Belew has been a looper for many >> many years and I think currently uses a Repeater in his rig as well as >> a Johnson (Digitech) amp with on board looping capabilities (I've heard >> that his amps are basically Digitech 2120s with solid state amplifier >> stages and dual 12" cab all in one box) >> >> More on that here: >> >> http://www.adrianbelew.net/texnspex.htm >> >> So, before you ask a pointed question, you might take want to word it >> more like, "Is there looping on this album?" or maybe do a quick google >> search on "Adrian Belew + Loops" because a lot would have come up and >> it would have been a nice change from soldering op amps. >> >> yours truly, >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Will Brake wrote: >> >>> What part of this post has anything remotely relevant to looping? Can >>> we get back on topic? >>> >>>   >>> >>> Respect >>> >>>   >>> >>> Will Brake >>> >>> Soul Fruit Electronics >>> >>>   >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:26 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview >>> >>>   >>> >>> Here's the comments I submitted to the online mag: >>> >>> The Power to Repeat >>> >>> As someone who's been in love with King Crimson since I discovered >>> Adrian's work on Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak album, I'll take the >> >>> risk of disagreeing with him about TPTB. I don't think it's nearly as >>> interesting as TCOL, which, IMHO, is one of their strongest albums. >>> Part of my issues with it are the little voice synth stuff happening. >>> It totally grates on my nerves for some reason. Not sure why he's >>> dragging out lyrics from an older solo Belew tune and running them >>> through a Digitech Vocalist. Surely you could think of something new, >>> no? And eyes wide open is so sweet, I need to pass on it almost every >>> time. Maybe one of the reasons I'm bitter is that I bought this album >>> twice for some reason. First time as a "teaser" album, then almost the >> >>> identical album in a slightly different "finished" form. That was kind >> >>> of lame. I'd loved to have heard really rough stuff on the teaser, or >>> totally different mixes. Oh yeah, I also bought a lot of these tunes >>> on the Level 5 album as well. With all that said, I think TPTB is >>> still a great album and many of the songs have made it into my iPod >>> where they pop up from time to time and amaze and inspire. If you're >>> looking for an entry to KC, get one of the 3 80's albums or TCOL. I >>> think they're better representations of great song writing and >>> interesting playing. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 14:29:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OIRnr28647; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:27:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:27:47 -0700 Subject: Stereo EDP (was Re: Hardware vs. software etc... (Re: =?ISO-8859-1?B?ow==?=900!!!!!!!!!!!)) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <572397F2-D603-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EDP does not need stereo. Even Mr. Sottilaro might be able to be made happy without stereo. I'm not dismissing stereo as interesting -- I use stereo delays a lot -- but a stereo EDP doesn't seem critical to me. On the other hand, the EDP does limit itself by being difficult to connect. If you are working a multi-component context, at least some of those components probably are stereo, and unlike the Jamman, you can't even route stereo through the EDP. So, if you want to work with the EDP in a stereo context, you have to factor in a mixer. On the other hand, if you really want to do the Andre LaFosse stripped down, just stick the EDP in the effects loop of the amp thing, then it's a pain that the EDP is built for rack use. Yes, Andre gets by without a rack, but it's clearly not built to be used the way Andre is setting it up. You take what's already a somewhat limited market and put barriers to entry in place and the market becomes more limited and the price consequently goes higher. So, if I were redesigning the EDP, my first priorities would be either stereo throughs on the rack version or a floor processor version. Those would probably trump true stereo -- though true stereo would get me stereo threshold recording. Of course, since the entry cost for any re-design is significant. I don't know how much cheaper those would be to develop than a stereo version and the stereo version would ally the concerns of people like Mr. Sottilaro. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 14:43:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OIgeB29797; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:42:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:43:02 -0700 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Stereo_EDP_=28was_Re:_Hardware_vs._software_e?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tc..._=28Re:___=A3900!!!!!!!!!!!=29=29?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_7v_zD.A.aRH.fcQS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 11:27 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > The EDP does not need stereo. Even Mr. Sottilaro might be able to be > made > happy without stereo. I'm not dismissing stereo as interesting -- I use > stereo delays a lot -- but a stereo EDP doesn't seem critical to me. We don't need loopers. In fact, even Mark Hamburg would get away with a kazoo and a maraca for most of his music needs. I'm not dismissing loopers as interesting, I use them a lot. Some posts are just so silly. Mr. Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 14:53:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OIqdi31220; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:52:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:52:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030824130017.007d4b60@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:00:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... In-Reply-To: <3F48D89E.2C864460@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <3pOWOB.A.rnH.3lQS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed, I personally don't even necessarily completely believe in the idea of "fixing" tools persay, so much as being clear on your aim. If you want to make music, make music. If the music you make is close enough to what you feel or hear in your head, then fine, you've given it voice!, which is a wonderful thing. If it isn't close enough, and you need to tweak a plugin or effect to give it a more accurate voice, then fine, then go ahead and enjoy yourself, and play the music. YOu've again been able to give it voice. What I don't understand, is the desire for more and more and more of a "better" something that may not even be defined yet, to create something that one isn't even aware of, and doesn't seem to be going toward now. Dreaming is wonderful and so very important, but this sounds like a very aimless and nameless pseudo-need to me. Why would I want 15000 EDP's in a box when I have absolutely no need for it, and furthermore, haven't met anyone who has mentioned that they do either. -or seems to be pushing the boundries of modern music and art to such an extreme that that even appears to be a need on the horizon. It seems that most people just have a hard time finding a setup that lends itself nicely to the music and art they find themselves creating. -which is fine, but why blame the technology when it's solvable with just a little time, money, and one's own honesty with one'sself? -just my thoughts, as usual... Cara At 08:24 AM 8/24/03 -0700, you wrote: >Excerpts from Wired magazine (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.05/laptop.html): > >-------------------- >Software instruments never stop changing, never stop offering up more of >those infinite possibilities we're always hearing about. Compare the >situation with, say, playing an acoustic guitar. Years of practice are >necessary before you really begin to discover the hidden potential >inside that rounded box with six metal strings and a hole. But right off >the bat, software instruments - especially modular ones like Max/MSP and >Reaktor - provide a dizzying number of powerful effects. > >This makes it easy to endlessly tweak your material rather than to >accept the constraints that partly define the act of composition. And >this is particularly true when you can tinker not only with the sound >but with the virtual machine that makes the sound. > >"There are two approaches you can take with your music software," says >Gerhard Behles, who quit Monolake in order to run Ableton full-time. >"One is to consider your tools as fixed. The other is to control the >tools themselves. That gives you a much bigger lever. But it can keep >you from ever doing music again." > >Joshua Clayton programs for Cycling '74 and remains captivated by the >nitty-gritty processing available in environments like Max/MSP. Clayton >also has concerns about the aesthetic attitude that such programs can >produce. "I find that people who use Max and similar programs often >aspire to be the god behind the universe, to come up with a formal >system that's completely under their control. Some people can't wait to >get everything inside the computer so they can generate some kind of >utopian music that's all contained within the machine." > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 14:54:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OIqTX31156; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:52:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:52:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030824185227.66887.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:52:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: rane MLM82A rackmount line mixer for sale To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, here at the guitar center where i work we had a special order not get picked up, so i have a Rane MLM82A that i need to get rid of. since there's always talk going around here about rackmount 1-space mixers, figured i'd give y'all the heads up. it's a brand new Rane MLM82A. features 4 stereo line inputs (1/4") and 4 XLR mic inputs. the mic inputs can be routed to the A output, the B ouput, or both. A and B output are XLR. 1 rack space unit. no effects send, unfortunately. but it is RANE quality. it lists for $499, has a guaranteed lowest price of $379 or something. I can let it go for $259!!! plus Missouri tax (7%) and $10 shipping. (USA only.) just figured I'd give the heads up. if interested email me or better yet call me at the store and ask for Dylan. the number here is 314-918-7660. sorry for the spam, thanks for reading! dylan @ gc st louis dylanhassinger@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 15:02:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OJ0Gv01339; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:02:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: wavelet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7B364634-D665-11D7-BE80-000393B560D0@petebrunelli.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, Aug 24, 2003, at 14:27 US/Eastern, Mark Hamburg wrote: > The EDP does not need stereo. Even Mr. Sottilaro might be able to be > made > happy without stereo. I'm not dismissing stereo as interesting -- I use > stereo delays a lot -- but a stereo EDP doesn't seem critical to me. I'm in agreement here regarding stereo, mainly because if you are dependent on stereo then you are running a stereo mix and that stereo mix will incorporate stereo sources and mono sources. What would the stereo separation in the actual context of the loop be? Ping Pong? You want an Orville for $500? > On the other hand, the EDP does limit itself by being difficult to > connect. > > If you are working a multi-component context, at least some of those > components probably are stereo, and unlike the Jamman, you can't even > route > stereo through the EDP. So, if you want to work with the EDP in a > stereo > context, you have to factor in a mixer. As above, if you are running real stereo then this isn't a factor. Just run the EDP on a mono channel insert. I don't think that having a discussion about stereo devices makes a lot of sense if you consider a mixer to be an encumbrance. My EDP might be going into a rack with my Alesis 12R mixer and it will be part of a stereo soundfield, but I could not care less about the actual device being "stereo". > On the other hand, if you really want to do the Andre LaFosse stripped > down, > just stick the EDP in the effects loop of the amp thing, then it's a > pain > that the EDP is built for rack use. Yes, Andre gets by without a rack, > but > it's clearly not built to be used the way Andre is setting it up. If you make it for floor use then you can't mount it in a rack. If you use a foot controller then you can have both. And I can't count he number of shows I have been to where a performer has rack gear stacked on an amp, or other convenient flat surface, without a rack [as I look over at my naked EDP sitting on top of my amp while it is connected in the effects loop]. > Of course, since the entry cost for any re-design is significant. I > don't > know how much cheaper those would be to develop than a stereo version > and > the stereo version would ally the concerns of people like Mr. > Sottilaro. > Mark, you make a lot of really good points. The thing about this that really strikes me as funny is that all of the "EDP isn't worth it because it isn't software" is a joke because it is being compared to something that doesn't even exist. If someone were sitting on a setup that did what the EDP does and I could get it as an AU plugin for Logic, for instance, then we might have a field on which to play. I would hit it with MIDI for control and it could be in any channel anywhere on the system from the pre-fader to the mix bus. I could also use it in post-production, like ACID with realtime control. I'd still need $1500 laptop, a zero-latency interface, and the DAW software to run it, but we could at least lob some facts around. Until then it is a field for sour grapes to take root. Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 15:17:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OJER203107; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:14:49 -0700 Subject: Re: ableton live questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001701c36a51$58776220$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: <3B16F260-D667-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3nricB.A.bw.T6QS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, Per. That all sounds really exciting. Seems like a lot of people here are stretching Live beyond what it's designers originally intended it to do. This is a good thing. My use for Live is a lot less ambitious. I haven't even begun the process yet, but my idea for Live is to first, do a recording in Digital Performer 4. Produce it as I feel appropriate. Then cut up different parts of what I looped and turn them into loops in Live. I'd keep all my sequenced parts in that form and my rig would be Laptop playing my prerecorded loops, Sequencer doing the sequenced bits (I can bring tracks in and out and play it live as I go along) and a CD player to add little scratched bits, sound bites and interludes between pieces where I can reconfigure Live and the sequencer. I haven't purchased Live yet, as I'm not sure I totally need it. Does this seem like the best tool for what I'm trying to do? Again, this isn't about Live looping, but more about being able to create an interactive mix when bringing out the whole looping rig is not appropriate. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 08:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > >> limitations, but really, the biggest (vs. my EDP mindset) is >> the inability to set tempo on the fly by recording the first >> loop or cycle. > > Yes, and IMHO also > - no overdub > - no feedback > - no midi control for real-time pitching of recorded clips > > I've spent some time with Ableton Live over the last couple of days and > found different workarounds for all three limitations. Nothing like the > real thing though and I have to say that my first impressions of > Ableton > Live is that it is rather limited, compared to the EDP. But this is my > point of view being a performing musician. Of course you can get almost > any sound out of looping with Ableton, but that's not the way I > personally prefere to make music. Talking about intuitive tools for > musical expression, the EDP is still ruling over here. > > For the pitching limitation I tried the free VST plug-in MDA Tracker > (pitching down one octave) and by combining it with a compressor I got > a > quite nice bass sound from loops recorded by a guitar. > > The feedback and overdub limitation were partially fixed by the plug-in > PSP42. However I could not get the PSP42 to read the midi Continuous > Controllers I sent it from my Behringer FCB1010 floor pedal (have > mailed > PSP on the matter and hoping on support). PSP42 parameters I'd like to > manipulate from pedals while playing are Feedback, RptInf (freeze like > a > sampler), DlyX2 (HalfSpeed/FullSpeed), Delay Time. > > There seems to be two major concepts for using Ableton as a live > looper. > Either you (1) set up a lot of tracks with plug-ins and use a foot > controller to jump between tracks to record clips that will then play > back through the plug-ins, or you (2) use as few tracks as possible but > control the plug-ins in real-time (like you can do with the PSP42). > > Personally I'd like to focus on the second concept and combine it with > foot buttons for as many "scenes" as possible (changing "scene" is > simply to step up one slot in all tracks). Then you can work on the > PSP42 and build up something nice and then record it into an Ableton > slot (as a "clip"). It's not the plug-in output that is getting > recorded > but the input/instrument signal. But if you don't change the PSP42 > parameters it will continue to sound the same (but If you keep changing > the plug-in this clip might sound even cooler next time you get back to > it, either by changing "scene" or simply starting/stopping the clip). > > I found a cool thing with midi controlling "scenes": If you close one > slot in scene one and then go to scene two for a while this slot will > still be closed when you come back to scan one. And if you step on the > command for scan one when you already are in scene one it will have the > effect that all stopped clips will be started and all looping clips > will > be stopped (I'm running Ableton in "Launch Mode: Toggle"). > > Another thing I was thinking of is how many cool software plug-ins for > live playing there are (and will be ;-). The latency of 4 milliseconds > was clearly recognizable but If you are a musician you are used to play > "before" or "after" the time base and can adapt to latency. But the > less > latency the better, of course! I got rid of some latency by skipping my > red POD and lining the guitar right into the sound cards break-out box > input. And I found a good guitar sound in using the Ohmforce Predatohm > plug-in. Other nice plug-ins I liked playing through are the othe plugs > from Ohmforce: Ohmboys and Hematohm. Other great fx I fell in love with > are the PSP84 and of course the PSP42. The PSP84 did very well in one > of > Abletons fx loops (with an ordinary reverb in the other fx loop). > > I also found out that I could use Ableton Live as a "fx rack pre amp". > I > followed Doug's advice and signed foot buttons to the start/record clip > function and then I also assinged, to the same foot button, a second > midi command for "monitor enable" of the same Ableton track. So by > stepping between the tracks I also monitored my instrument through > these > tracks - including all those lovely VST plug-ins ;-D > > I have only given this a brief check-out yet, since I'm still waiting > for my real copy of Ableton 2.1. This test was done on a cracked 2.0 > copy and maybe that can explain some problems I had. One BIG problem > was > the denormalizing but in the P4 processor. When using the MDA Tracker > for the bass looping channel I could not leave any channel empty > without > that dreadful CPU death starting. I downloaded Digital Fishphones > normaliser plug-in but it didn't help. Maybe I can fix it by putting a > silent audio file in all clips at scene one and then start looping from > scene two? Don't know yet. Will not put more time into this until I > have > the real program. On this 1,8 GHz machine I never used more than 27% of > the CPU power with five tracks looping through three to four plug-ins > on > each channel. I hope it will work on my 700 MHz P3 laptop. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ------------- > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 15:26:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OJPBs04336; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:25:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:25:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:24:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Stereo EDP (was Re: Hardware vs. software etc... (Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3900=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21=21?= )) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:27 AM -0700 8/24/03, Mark Hamburg wrote: >The EDP does not need stereo. I have to disagree here. I use stereo sounds that I've crafted either through elaborate processing on something like the Eventide Orville, or through careful synthesis. I don't want it reduced it a cartoon-ish version of itself when looped. My goal is to play something with a rich stereo field, and be able to loop it imperceptibly. Using the EDP in a stereo pair is very important to me. In fact, if cost and set-up time were not barriers, I would probably go quad. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 15:43:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OJdp305924; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:39:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:39:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:40:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7B364634-D665-11D7-BE80-000393B560D0@petebrunelli.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You people are ridiculous. Have you ever tried to loop a stereo source? Trust me. I had an EDP. I had a JamMan. You take that rich stereo chorus and turn it into a mono loop and its like you put a finger in one ear. It made a big enough of a difference to me to ditch those loopers and go for a Repeater. Playing live where most PA systems are mono, of course it doesn't make a difference. However doing what I do in a studio make a huge difference. Why don't you guys just pan your home stereo system all the way to one side and get rid of that silly extra speaker? You don't need it. I also never said, or meant to say the EDP wasn't worth it because it wasn't software. I'm just looking at other piece of gear that I have and making price comparisons. If I were to do the EDP in stereo it would set me back $1600 (+$100 if I went with a dedicated pedal) which would put it way out in front as the most expensive piece of dedicated audio gear I have by FAR. I know when I see Mark Hamburg's name every time I start Photoshop, I can imagine that his salary trounces mine by a factor I'd rather not think about. (I do think he's worth it, as Photoshop is an amazing tool, but I digress) So, $1600 is probably nothing in his world. However, $1600 to the average musician is a lot, and I know it keeps a lot of people away from the EDP. (as does it's single $800 price-tag) ...and why are people concerned with what I want? I actually have an excellent stereo looper that more or less does most of what I want. I'm just speculating a bit. Thinking that the little "DJ" rig I'm putting together would be even cooler if I could incorporate some live looping and not have to add another piece of hardware. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:02 PM, wavelet wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 16:31:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OKTsW11832; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:29:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F492194.90309@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:35:32 -0700 From: brian tester Reply-To: btester@mindspring.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030824010631.0349be88@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824010631.0349be88@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, well, do you have Reaktor 4 on a computer? I'd be happy to send you a few patches if you do. It's hard to say for sure about things like this until you can try it out. B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 16:35:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OKXDC12249; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:33:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:33:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F49225B.8010904@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:38:51 -0700 From: brian tester Reply-To: btester@mindspring.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware vs. software etc... (Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A3900!!!!?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?!!!!!!!=29?= References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0qECR.A.P_C.IESS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hate to burst your bubble, but the laptop I'm typing this email on is also my live music laptop. It's been in smoky bars all over the US, Germany, and England for the last three years. I've only experienced big crashes like three times, and each time I was able to cover it up by playing other instruments. Works great for me. It's very old and slow too. B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 17:05:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OL2P216305; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: ableton live questions Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:02:15 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000e01c36a83$01b0a640$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B16F260-D667-11D7-BDAA-000393D2D09E@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > my idea > for Live > is to first, do a recording in Digital Performer 4. Produce it as I > feel appropriate. Then cut up different parts of what I looped and > turn them into loops in Live. I'd keep all my sequenced > parts in that > form and my rig would be Laptop playing my prerecorded loops, > Sequencer > doing the sequenced bits (I can bring tracks in and out and play it > live as I go along) and a CD player to add little scratched > bits, sound > bites and interludes between pieces where I can reconfigure Live and > the sequencer. > > I haven't purchased Live yet, as I'm not sure I totally need > it. Does > this seem like the best tool for what I'm trying to do? Again, this > isn't about Live looping, but more about being able to create an > interactive mix when bringing out the whole looping rig is not > appropriate. First I was thinking that you can actually do this quite as well with your Repeater, but when I read the last sentence it was clear to me what it is that you want to do. Yes, I think Live would be perfect for this project of yours. It has a very easy and fast graphic user interface. If you don't have to play an instrument all the time you can also use your hands to play Live. Right in front of me, on this table, I have a little midi keyboard ("Miditech midcontrol") with twelve buttons to twist. It took me two minutes to assign those twelve buttons to Ableton tracks, volume faders, fx sends etc. Then I started to create music with my left hand on those buttons (adjusting the mix) and my right hand on the computer mouse (moving loops into clips, opening fx plug-ins etc etc). Wow, what a flow! I could do two things at the same time while planning the next step to continue with. It's really a powerful live mixing environment. Even the stuff I miss, from working in Logic for many years, make sense when you look at Live this way - as a live mixers instrument. My only (first) problem with Ableton was that most music I coaxed out sounded like "music someone just coaxed out with Ableton" ;-) But, thinking about your visionary application of Ableton, you should know that if you slave it by ReWire to a host application you can not run VST plug-ins in Live at the same time. Why can't you bounce your sequnced DP parts into stereo (!) files and play them as well from Ableton? Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 17:06:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OL3sO16479; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030824210347.85274.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030824120659.007cfcb0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Goddess wrote: > Ya know mark, I'm not even sure if you're going to > get to see this or > not, but ya know, yer' just a fucking bully! -plain > and simple. I heard he once tried to drown his little brother in a bowl of Fruit Loops. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 18:38:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OMZaj26424; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:35:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:35:34 -0700 Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030824210347.85274.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <46D3FEB5-D683-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, just impatient with people who are not paying attention or thinking. I was being yelled at for posting a review about an album that *does contain looping* by a man who does a *lot* of plugging of his electronics business. While I think that's totally OK and fine to plug your electronics business here, especially due to the fact that we couldn't do any of this without electronics, I believe one should think more carefully about what you through a stone at and what your own house is made of. Bully? I like to think of myself as to the point. Diplomacy is for people with a lot of time and diplomats. Mr. Soulfruit's ego seems pretty much intact and I've way moved on. Other people's egos are more fragile and seem like they never heal. LOL! Sorry, couldn't help it. I actually never meant harm nor foul to Cara, I was only trying to point out what is pretty much universally considered an email list faux pas. No different than someone who attaches a big gif to all their outgoing emails. Cheerio. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 02:03 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > > --- Goddess wrote: >> Ya know mark, I'm not even sure if you're going to >> get to see this or >> not, but ya know, yer' just a fucking bully! -plain >> and simple. > > I heard he once tried to drown his little brother > in a bowl of Fruit Loops. > > :) > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 18:39:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7OMcIu26620; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:38:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:38:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:38:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I feel compelled to defend my assertion that stereo isn't necessarily all that important -- even with stereo sound sources. I have stereo sources as well since some of my pre-loop processing is stereo. Do I miss it when the looped version goes down to mono? Somewhat. But I've also found that it's helpful for keeping a distinction between the new material and the looped material. The new material can be bipping around from left to right. The looped material can sit in the center. Furthermore, post-loop processing can add some stereo sheen back to the loop. So, would stereo be nice? Yeah. Is it death for the EDP that it doesn't have stereo? No. I think it's far more of an annoyance that if you've got some stereo gear before the EDP, you essentially have to get a mixer or lose the stereo effects on even the dry signal. The Repeater wins overall in this regard since it gives you stereo loops, stereo throughs, and a switchable insert point. Other discussions have covered what it doesn't give you. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 19:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ONleX01636; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:47:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030824175518.009dd100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:55:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) In-Reply-To: <20030824210347.85274.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20030824120659.007cfcb0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CUTE!!! lol! In all fairness, I certainly don't think Mark's the antichrist of the looping world or anything, -just a little tiresome. lol! -and I'm sure there are plenty of people whom I annoy as well, him being one of them, so there ya go... lol! Smiles, Cara At 02:03 PM 8/24/03 -0700, you wrote: > >--- Goddess wrote: >> Ya know mark, I'm not even sure if you're going to >> get to see this or >> not, but ya know, yer' just a fucking bully! -plain >> and simple. > >I heard he once tried to drown his little brother >in a bowl of Fruit Loops. > >:) > >John > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 20:07:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P04EF04628; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:04:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030824181151.007bd100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:11:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: New Adrian Belew Interview(OT) In-Reply-To: <46D3FEB5-D683-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <20030824210347.85274.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, this is exactly my point, this is a LOOPING LIST!, leave the personal problems off of it. I'm saying this, even despite my own earlier post today, because I very rarely ever involve myself in an online bitch-session, and it seems to me that you seem to do it quite a bit. Yes, I know I can delete msgs and such, and that's fine, but can't you perhaps just show the smallest bit of restraint or consideration when it comes to dealing with other people? I'm not trying to make you out like a bad person or anything, I don't know you, but it just seems like you're usually more than willing to simply let loose and then expect others to pick up the pieces. I just find it a little tiresome, and that's fine, perhaps no one else does, but it might be worth considering. So, I've said my piece, and won't clutter the list anymore with this, and I hope it makes some sense to you. Have a nice day... Smiles, Cara At 03:35 PM 8/24/03 -0700, you wrote: >Actually, just impatient with people who are not paying attention or >thinking. I was being yelled at for posting a review about an album >that *does contain looping* by a man who does a *lot* of plugging of >his electronics business. While I think that's totally OK and fine to >plug your electronics business here, especially due to the fact that we >couldn't do any of this without electronics, I believe one should think >more carefully about what you through a stone at and what your own >house is made of. > >Bully? I like to think of myself as to the point. Diplomacy is for >people with a lot of time and diplomats. Mr. Soulfruit's ego seems >pretty much intact and I've way moved on. Other people's egos are more >fragile and seem like they never heal. LOL! > >Sorry, couldn't help it. I actually never meant harm nor foul to Cara, >I was only trying to point out what is pretty much universally >considered an email list faux pas. No different than someone who >attaches a big gif to all their outgoing emails. > >Cheerio. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 02:03 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > >> >> --- Goddess wrote: >>> Ya know mark, I'm not even sure if you're going to >>> get to see this or >>> not, but ya know, yer' just a fucking bully! -plain >>> and simple. >> >> I heard he once tried to drown his little brother >> in a bowl of Fruit Loops. >> >> :) >> >> John >> >> ===== >> John Tidwell >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >> http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 20:22:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P0JNu06551; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:19:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:19:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824171132.034da008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:21:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc In-Reply-To: <3F492194.90309@mindspring.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824010631.0349be88@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030824010631.0349be88@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:35 PM 8/24/2003, brian tester wrote: >Uh, well, do you have Reaktor 4 on a computer? I'd be happy to send you a >few patches if you do. It's hard to say for sure about things like this >until you can try it out. At the moment, no. But before I go out and spend $430 for Reaktor, how about if you describe the looping functions you have implemented so I can see if it is going to be worth it? Just list them out so we can see if what you have compares at all to any full featured loopers out there. Some description of the user interface might be nice too, so I can understand how I will be controlling it while otherwise playing my instrument. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 20:27:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P0PO907278; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:25:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:25:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030824183304.007988a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:33:04 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: -Having some fun!... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just had an interesting idea. Perhaps Mark and I should do a CD together! We could call it Adversarial Musics, volume 1, The Angry Years, or some such thing! lol! He could loop, I could glitch, and we could glare at eachother and try to detune eachother's instruments as we played or something! lol! HEy!, ya never know, it might be amazing! lol! Of course you'd have to have a third party master and produce it and such, since we'd probably not get much done quickly, -disagreeing and all. -totally meant in fun!... -I think this thread needed some more lightening up!... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 20:45:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P0gir09180; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:42:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:42:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:42:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP From: Steve Ginn To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <__ovJ.A.VPC.EuVS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you have an EDP and a single stereo effects processor, is it better then to just run a dry signal through the EDP first and then run it through the stereo processor (ie, for reverb, etc.)? If I all my synths are stereo, should I run the signal out a pair of outs via a Y connector to combine the signal into a mono signal before the EDP? ( I am thinking in terms of something like a matrix type mixer or mixer with several busses) With my mixer I can bring all my original sources (synths) out one bus (to the EDP) and then on another bus combine the EDP return with the original signal and output to my effects and then finally bring this effected signal, etc. out to the main outs. But, I am still not sure if I am creating an overall stereo space/sound that is well put together. Steve On 8/24/03 5:38 PM, "Mark Hamburg" wrote: > I feel compelled to defend my assertion that stereo isn't necessarily all > that important -- even with stereo sound sources. I have stereo sources as > well since some of my pre-loop processing is stereo. Do I miss it when the > looped version goes down to mono? Somewhat. But I've also found that it's > helpful for keeping a distinction between the new material and the looped > material. The new material can be bipping around from left to right. The > looped material can sit in the center. Furthermore, post-loop processing can > add some stereo sheen back to the loop. > > So, would stereo be nice? Yeah. Is it death for the EDP that it doesn't have > stereo? No. > > I think it's far more of an annoyance that if you've got some stereo gear > before the EDP, you essentially have to get a mixer or lose the stereo > effects on even the dry signal. > > The Repeater wins overall in this regard since it gives you stereo loops, > stereo throughs, and a switchable insert point. Other discussions have > covered what it doesn't give you. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 20:47:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P0k5V09621; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:46:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:46:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ea01c36aa1$e13daba0$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030824120659.007cfcb0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20030824175518.009dd100@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: OT: Quiet PC Fans Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:42:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.ocaddiction.com/reviews/psu/seasonic_supersilencer_400wpsu/ Seasonic makes a P/S fan that runs consistently and is "dead silent quiet". Better than chopping a hole in the wall and putting your computer in it, eh? Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 20:59:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P0tFU10568; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:55:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308250007.h7P07Ci04959@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I routinely send both channels of my Roland GP-100 to an EDP or a Digitech Time Machine and use the results in mono. Since my live guitar is still in stereo, I'm never really bothered by the absence of stereo on the loops. I'll even mix everything to mono when it's not practical to bring a pair of cabinets and stereo power amp. I do also listen to most of my CDs at home in what amounts to mono--a stereo boombox, often in the other room, and actually it is nice to not have to string speaker cables around the room. I have my doubts that most music requires super stereo separation, particularly in a live context where the PA is likely to be in mono, or the audience isn't going to be anywhere near the sweet spot. If I had my druthers, I'd always play and monitor myself in stereo, but then I'd also have someone doing the cartage and setup on my gear. I carried around a twenty-space rack (not entirely full but still damn heavy and bulky), and stereo speakers for years, but it's not necessary or practical for most live situations. But, if you can't stand it, you can't stand it. Still, I don't think $1600 for stereo EDPs is that much, if you're seriously making music in a commercial context. TravisH On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 05:07 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > You people are ridiculous. Have you ever tried to loop a stereo > source? Trust me. I had an EDP. I had a JamMan. You take that rich > stereo chorus and turn it into a mono loop and its like you put a > finger in one ear. It made a big enough of a difference to me to > ditch those loopers and go for a Repeater. Playing live where most PA > systems are mono, of course it doesn't make a difference. However > doing what I do in a studio make a huge difference. Why don't you > guys just pan your home stereo system all the way to one side and get > rid of that silly extra speaker? You don't need it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 21:21:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P1BZh13803; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:11:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:10:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... > I do also listen to most of my CDs at home in what amounts to mono--a > stereo boombox, often in the other room, and actually it is nice to not > have to string speaker cables around the room. I have my doubts that > most music requires super stereo separation, particularly in a live > context where the PA is likely to be in mono, or the audience isn't > going to be anywhere near the sweet spot. > > TravisH > boombox? me too. i totally concur w/ yer dos and doubts... -- stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 21:24:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P1L2d14907; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:21:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:20:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <62AB9120-D69A-11D7-B43F-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 05:55 PM, Travis wrote: > But, if you can't stand it, you can't stand it. Still, I don't think > $1600 for stereo EDPs is that much, if you're seriously making music > in a commercial context. Ah, here in lies the point. Commercial context. I have no desire to try and turn my art into money. Tried to do it before and only became sad and angry. I loop pretty much for me. If I can find people who enjoy it, that's great, but I'm not counting on it to pay the bills. So, what I'm saying is that I am typical, not the professional musician. I think Rick Walker might be the closest person here to making their living doing looping, and I know he has to supplement that with lessons and more standard fare in his shows. The reason I don't balk about my Photoshop license (of course this wouldn't be the forum anyway) is because I do make a living using that tool. My music only costs me money. I'm not complaining, I like it this way. When I bought an amp from some college kids, I saw they both had DL4s and we started talking about looping. They were really interested in learning about different looping devices. At the time the Repeater was still in production. I told them about the Repeater and the EDP and when I hit them with the price tags, they both looked deflated. They had blown their cash on nice instruments and amps, and didn't have much left over for a looper that was between $600 and $800. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 21:32:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P1TNG15880; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c36aa8$72016590$e167b240@nighttrain> From: "Nick Shortway" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030824010631.0349be88@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:30:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:36 AM Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc > talk talk talk. Like I said, I'm tired of talk. I want to see results. Just > show me a serious looper made with Reaktor. How about yours? I personally haven't built mine yet, but I am working on it, so I can't show you anything per se. > > I keep hearing the promise of greatness and never seeing it in the result. > All of the loopers I've seen built this way were very limited and > amateurish, and had very few modern looping functions. I'm beginning to > think that is all I will ever see from this modular do-it-yourself software > approach. The thing that I think you're missing is this: the "modular diy software" can do ANYTHING if you put the time into it. You say that you spent a shitload of time building the echoplex and I believe it, but no one ever said that you can make live looping interfaces on software in a "few days" as you said. It takes effort. A lot of effort. The reason that you hear people raving about the software loopers is because you can take an "amateur" one, as you called it, and tailor it to do everything you ever wanted and more. That is something that you can't do with hardware. I can't go and take the echoplex and re-wire the boards if i wanna add a new function (i guess theoretically i could, but it is SO much less practical than doing it through software). I'll bet you anything that someone (not necessarily on this list) has a looper on reaktor or max/msp that can do everything you want. Maybe they don't feel like sharing it at the moment, though. As you said yourself, making a loop sampler takes a ton of effort, so maybe this person doesn't want to openly share their creation now because of all the work they put into it. I mean, do you give echoplexes away for free?? I don't think so. Reaktor and MAX/MSP are really intense interfaces because you can do anything and everything. Go check out a book on them if you want to see. Or download the trial version of MAX/MSP. Look for some max/msp looping interface and see if you can modifythem to add those features oyu want. If you find that you can't, that hardly means that it's not possible. It just takes a lot of dedication and work. -Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 22:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P2P3w24638; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:25:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:25:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030825022457.30335.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:24:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030824183304.007988a0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Goddess wrote: > I just had an interesting idea. Perhaps Mark and > I should do a CD > together! > We could call it Adversarial Musics, volume 1, The > Angry Years, or some > such thing! lol! He could loop, I could glitch, > and we could glare at > eachother and try to detune eachother's instruments > as we played or > something! lol! HEy!, ya never know, it might be > amazing! lol! > Of course you'd have to have a third party master > and produce it and > such, since we'd probably not get much done quickly, > -disagreeing and all. > -totally meant in fun!... -I think this > thread needed some > more lightening up!... > > Smiles, > > Cara Ya'll could call the title track "lol!/stfu!". :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 23:03:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P31Qe31541; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:01:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:01:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: -Having some fun!... Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:00:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c36ab5$1cc95fd0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20030825022457.30335.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll engineer and master it. How about funding for the session? Loop list, care to input? Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... --- Goddess wrote: > I just had an interesting idea. Perhaps Mark and > I should do a CD > together! > We could call it Adversarial Musics, volume 1, The > Angry Years, or some > such thing! lol! He could loop, I could glitch, > and we could glare at > eachother and try to detune eachother's instruments > as we played or > something! lol! HEy!, ya never know, it might be > amazing! lol! > Of course you'd have to have a third party master > and produce it and > such, since we'd probably not get much done quickly, > -disagreeing and all. > -totally meant in fun!... -I think this > thread needed some > more lightening up!... > > Smiles, > > Cara Ya'll could call the title track "lol!/stfu!". :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 23:22:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P3Ktk01841; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:20:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:20:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c36ab8$65981be0$83cea344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000201c36ab5$1cc95fd0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:24:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [68.163.206.131] at Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:20:48 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll throw in 20 bucks -- I just wanna have a tune called -- "Mono Leaves Me Loopsided" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Brake" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: RE: -Having some fun!... > I'll engineer and master it. How about funding for the session? Loop > list, care to input? > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... > > > --- Goddess wrote: > > I just had an interesting idea. Perhaps Mark and > > I should do a CD > > together! > > We could call it Adversarial Musics, volume 1, The > > Angry Years, or some > > such thing! lol! He could loop, I could glitch, > > and we could glare at > > eachother and try to detune eachother's instruments > > as we played or > > something! lol! HEy!, ya never know, it might be > > amazing! lol! > > Of course you'd have to have a third party master > > and produce it and > > such, since we'd probably not get much done quickly, > > -disagreeing and all. > > -totally meant in fun!... -I think this > > thread needed some > > more lightening up!... > > > > Smiles, > > > > Cara > > > Ya'll could call the title track "lol!/stfu!". > > :) > > John > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 24 23:40:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P3aDa03919; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:36:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F498554.2020805@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:41:08 -0700 From: brian tester Reply-To: btester@mindspring.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824010631.0349be88@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030824010631.0349be88@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030824171132.034da008@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824171132.034da008@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3vjsdC.A.F9.tQYS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, let's see. (Note that all of this concerns Reaktor 4, but max/msp can do the same stuff. With Reaktor you can create UIs with big ol' blinky lights, XY pads, scopes, sliders, buttons, wave form displays, bitmaps, and stuff like that--so that you can decide what sort of information will be displayed to you on your screen. If you are curious about people who are using laptops to do live looping, check out i.e. Christian Fennesz or Tomas Korber.) I have one looper that uses the audiotable module in Reaktor to capture and play back incoming audio. since the audiotable works by essentially storing audio bits in a matrix of cells, you can set it up to overdub only on selected cells. To simply things, there is a grid of 16 possible "cells" that make up each loop. Each of the cells can be set to overdub or play in reverse independently of the others. So you could, for example, record a loop, then set only certain cells to contunuously overdub, so that the majority of the loop remains while selected parts are constantly changing as you continue to play. Does that make sense? It might be a little convoluted. The grid is layered, so that you can record 4 different loops and switch between them. I have been thinking about using LFOs or controllers to dynamically change between the loop layers but I'm too lazy to do it right now. The whole thing can be clocked internally or externally so a primitive sort of time stretching is possible. It's pretty grainy, but I don't mind that. It definitely adds texture. I have another looper, using the grain cloud delay module, that allows you to break incoming audio, live or frozen, into seperate grains, which can be pitch shifted, time stretched, lengthened or shortened. You can juggle the grains to make nice jittery rhythms or just have things constantly shifting a bit. Feedback can be turned off or inverted, so this can function much like a delay or only as a looping recorder. I also added a nice multimode filter with a dynamic envelope and LFO modulation. This patch can take loops from straight up to totally unrepresentative of what you just played. I have another looper that uses the tape deck module to record and loop incoming audio and an XY graph to vary the playback position of each slice of the loop over time. You can also change the speed of playback, but this effects pitch too. I just downloaded someone else's looper off the NI website the other day that functions like a bank of tape loops, more or less. Each of the five loops can be pre-timed by button presses to set the length. This one is a little primitive but the way it's put together makes it sound nice. Audio only loops if feedback is turned up all the way, so some of the loops can act as delays while others are doing the looping. It's also worth noting that any of these kinds of techniques can be combined into one patch. You could use an input router, which could be automated or modulated even, to send incoming audio to different looper chains. And of course you can construct compressors, limiters, filters, reverbs, and so forth for additional textures. Any type of midi controllers can be used. If you can get used to the various foot switch routines for hardware loopers, you will have no problem here. A footswitch for controlling things while you're playing and a table-top midi controller for when you are tweaking would set you up. And since you can add LFOs or tempo-based modulation to any patch, some functions can be set into motion on their own for hands-free tweaking out. You could use a graphic pattern sequencer with snapshot recall to make certain preset parameter changes while you are playing and looping. So the changes would be decided in advance, but your playing could be different every time. I don't know if any of this stuff is worthwhile to you all, but I just thought of a few new things I could do while I was writing all of this down. Hope this helped! B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 01:46:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P5hNv20351; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:43:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:43:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.2.46.29] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:43:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2003 05:43:13.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[C69E14E0:01C36ACB] Resent-Message-ID: <46l1p.A.09E.7HaS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If a hardware redesign of the EDP were possible so that it allowed stereo looping (doing some of that "what if" dreaming right now), why not just ask Kim and Mathius if they could build in some kind of switch that would allow it do be able to do stereo or mono looping? I've got a crappy little Rolls headphone amp that lets me switch my headphone mix to mono or stereo . . . so wouldn't it be possible to do the same thing on the EDP? It seems to me that, with all the archive reading and now "real time" reading that I've done over the years of comments to this list, roughly half of the LD EDP users are fine with mono, while the other half want it to be stereo. A switch like that would allow both to have their cake. Then you don't have to reconfigure cables, and if you are trying to pass a stereo signal but not loop it, when not adding anything to the loops, just switch it . . .if you're running all your signals through your EDP(s) like I usually do, that is . . . Also, at times, there can be advantages to having both mono loops or stereo loops. I am primarily a stereo looper. I sold a kidney and got 2 EDPs to be able to do stereo (just kidding--but I did end up selling my Chapman Stick to raise enough stake to pull off the purchase), and like the fact I can do it using EDPs ( I use to do it with 2 Jam Mans before I traded those off toward the EDPs as well.). But frankly, there are times I also sum the loops to mono, for a different effect. And now that I've also got a Repeater (thanks to Cara! :) ), I've actually been thinking about trying all sorts of things with mono/stereo contrast (okay, I guess properly this would be a "stereo field" thing, and thus, still putting me in the realm of stereo, but . . .). My point is, to me, mono and stereo loops both have their place. A stereo EDP would allow us all to be able to try both approaches. People like Andre who are happy working with the mono approach could carry on doing that, while people who want stereo could have that too. Just some thoughts . . . BTW: Once I get back to Columbus, my Repeater will finally get to meet my EDPs, and we'll see how they talk. Right now, I'm in Chicago with just the Repeater by my side . . . David _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 01:52:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P5m9d20711; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c36acc$4b49b460$8463f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308241853.h7OIrdX31369@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Playing an instrument versus building an instrument Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:46:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre sent this in for our consideration: -------------------- "Software instruments never stop changing, never stop offering up more of those infinite possibilities we're always hearing about. Compare the situation with, say, playing an acoustic guitar. Years of practice are necessary before you really begin to discover the hidden potential inside that rounded box with six metal strings and a hole. But right off the bat, software instruments - especially modular ones like Max/MSP and Reaktor - provide a dizzying number of powerful effects. This makes it easy to endlessly tweak your material rather than to accept the constraints that partly define the act of composition. And this is particularly true when you can tinker not only with the sound but with the virtual machine that makes the sound. "There are two approaches you can take with your music software," says Gerhard Behles, who quit Monolake in order to run Ableton full-time. "One is to consider your tools as fixed. The other is to control the tools themselves. That gives you a much bigger lever. But it can keep you from ever doing music again." Joshua Clayton programs for Cycling '74 and remains captivated by the nitty-gritty processing available in environments like Max/MSP. Clayton also has concerns about the aesthetic attitude that such programs can produce. "I find that people who use Max and similar programs often aspire to be the god behind the universe, to come up with a formal system that's completely under their control. Some people can't wait to get everything inside the computer so they can generate some kind of utopian music that's all contained within the machine." ************************************************** This is fascinating stuff to ponder and I can see the dangers in living in the software environment and , indeed, no many artists, who never even produce any music for people because they are trying to stay on top of the expansion of software that is continual. I, however, also sense a wierd sense of deja vu recalling the judgemental response of many 'old school' acoustic guitarists when encountering Les Paul's first experiments with that new fangled 'gimmicky' technology called the magnetic pickup. Thank God, Dre' (for your fascinating music) that you went with the instrument innovator's approach. If you decide that you never want to do anything but keep exploring a non-processed guitar through an EDP or two, more power to you. I know you'll create really cool music with your approach. It doesn't have to negate an artist who just can't wait to get and master the latest mangling plugin software. Two different instruments. Two different musicians...............Viva la difference! Peace, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 02:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P6tjg27770; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:55:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:55:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308250552.h7P5qN621058@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <24E5C02A-D6C9-11D7-81D5-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think what you've got is a case of champagne taste and beer budget. And these college kids with nice guitars and amps, and effects, but no cash for an EDP or Repeater....? Like they're never going to spend more money on gear? Please. If they can afford to go to college, they can find the money for and EDP (or a Repeater)...if they really want one. If they're just dilettantes who think it sounds like a "cool idea", well I think it'd be cool to have a car that goes 0-60 in 5 seconds, but I'm not going to whine about how I can't find one for under a thousand dollars. Tools cost money. TravisH On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:52 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 05:55 PM, Travis wrote: > >> But, if you can't stand it, you can't stand it. Still, I don't think >> $1600 for stereo EDPs is that much, if you're seriously making music >> in a commercial context. > > Ah, here in lies the point. Commercial context. I have no desire to > try and turn my art into money. Tried to do it before and only became > sad and angry. I loop pretty much for me. If I can find people who > enjoy it, that's great, but I'm not counting on it to pay the bills. > > So, what I'm saying is that I am typical, not the professional > musician. I think Rick Walker might be the closest person here to > making their living doing looping, and I know he has to supplement > that with lessons and more standard fare in his shows. The reason I > don't balk about my Photoshop license (of course this wouldn't be the > forum anyway) is because I do make a living using that tool. My music > only costs me money. I'm not complaining, I like it this way. > > When I bought an amp from some college kids, I saw they both had DL4s > and we started talking about looping. They were really interested in > learning about different looping devices. At the time the Repeater > was still in production. I told them about the Repeater and the EDP > and when I hit them with the price tags, they both looked deflated. > They had blown their cash on nice instruments and amps, and didn't > have much left over for a looper that was between $600 and $800. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 03:07:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P70F129425; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:00:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:00:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Stereo EDP Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:00:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c36ad6$8582e700$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <24E5C02A-D6C9-11D7-81D5-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always trip out on people who say that can't afford anything - whatever happened to SAVING UP :) :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Travis [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] :::Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 11:56 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Stereo EDP ::: :::I think what you've got is a case of champagne taste and beer budget. ::: :::And these college kids with nice guitars and amps, and effects, but no :::cash for an EDP or Repeater....? Like they're never going to spend :::more money on gear? Please. If they can afford to go to college, they :::can find the money for and EDP (or a Repeater)...if they really want :::one. If they're just dilettantes who think it sounds like a "cool :::idea", well I think it'd be cool to have a car that goes 0-60 in 5 :::seconds, but I'm not going to whine about how I can't find one for :::under a thousand dollars. Tools cost money. ::: :::TravisH ::: :::On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:52 PM, :::Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: ::: :::> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 05:55 PM, Travis wrote: :::> :::>> But, if you can't stand it, you can't stand it. Still, I don't think :::>> $1600 for stereo EDPs is that much, if you're seriously making music :::>> in a commercial context. :::> :::> Ah, here in lies the point. Commercial context. I have no desire to :::> try and turn my art into money. Tried to do it before and only became :::> sad and angry. I loop pretty much for me. If I can find people who :::> enjoy it, that's great, but I'm not counting on it to pay the bills. :::> :::> So, what I'm saying is that I am typical, not the professional :::> musician. I think Rick Walker might be the closest person here to :::> making their living doing looping, and I know he has to supplement :::> that with lessons and more standard fare in his shows. The reason I :::> don't balk about my Photoshop license (of course this wouldn't be the :::> forum anyway) is because I do make a living using that tool. My music :::> only costs me money. I'm not complaining, I like it this way. :::> :::> When I bought an amp from some college kids, I saw they both had DL4s :::> and we started talking about looping. They were really interested in :::> learning about different looping devices. At the time the Repeater :::> was still in production. I told them about the Repeater and the EDP :::> and when I hit them with the price tags, they both looked deflated. :::> They had blown their cash on nice instruments and amps, and didn't :::> have much left over for a looper that was between $600 and $800. ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 03:10:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P77Qa30057; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:07:20 -0700 Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308250552.h7P5qN621058@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the rarely mentioned giant appeal (for users) to software-based musical devices is that they're much easier to steal than hardware. If you've already got the computer, cracked versions of software are much easier on the budget than dedicated boxes. Which is why I don't think we'll ever see a full EDP in Reaktor or Max or whatever. It'd be a ton of work, and it'll end up on PTP networks in a heartbeat, like all those VST plugs. How much would you pay for a soft EDP? TravisH On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:52 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > The thing that I think you're missing is this: the "modular diy > software" > can do ANYTHING if you put the time into it. You say that you spent a > shitload of time building the echoplex and I believe it, but no one > ever > said that you can make live looping interfaces on software in a "few > days" > as you said. It takes effort. A lot of effort. The reason that you > hear > people raving about the software loopers is because you can take an > "amateur" one, as you called it, and tailor it to do everything you > ever > wanted and more. That is something that you can't do with hardware. I > can't go and take the echoplex and re-wire the boards if i wanna add a > new > function (i guess theoretically i could, but it is SO much less > practical > than doing it through software). I'll bet you anything that someone > (not > necessarily on this list) has a looper on reaktor or max/msp that can > do > everything you want. Maybe they don't feel like sharing it at the > moment, > though. As you said yourself, making a loop sampler takes a ton of > effort, > so maybe this person doesn't want to openly share their creation now > because > of all the work they put into it. I mean, do you give echoplexes away > for > free?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 03:20:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P7FvM30647; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:15:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:15:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:15:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <24E5C02A-D6C9-11D7-81D5-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PLEASE. I had a decent guitar (that I had purchased before college) and amp but was mostly broke during college. There was no way I could have afforded an EDP at any point while I was in school. After rent and tuition and supplies (art school) there was little left for gear. Luckily I had purchased a JamMan for $311 before I started school. Not everyone gets mommy and daddy's help. By the time I had enough money to buy an EDP, there was a better choice (for me) available. The Repeater. If I had to replace it, I'd get another. My only worry is when there aren't any more to be had. By that time the EDP will have been killed by this: http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- 02.1700 Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. Popularity will rise, prices will fall. Most won't be running looper software, but that won't matter. Other VSTs will help make it popular and bring the hardware price down and make competitors offer other VST based devices. Since it's all dedicated DSP hardware it won't have issues that your laptop now has. Someone will write a killer VST looper and that will be that. No use arguing with me. I'm from the future and I've seen it happen. Mark Sottlaro On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Travis wrote: > I think what you've got is a case of champagne taste and beer budget. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 03:22:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P7L3831129; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:21:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:21:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:21:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000101c36ad6$8582e700$01b52b04@purgatory> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My rent is $1400 a month and my wife's job has her at part time at a fraction of what she made before the bubble burst. That's what happened. Causes me to look a lot harder at a piece of gear than I did when money was flying out of venture capitalist's butts. I know it seems like I buy stuff, but it's funded mostly through ebay sales of things I got when the economy was better. I'm more leaning my gear than anything else these days. I'm lucky to have made some money of some of my sales. I was smart to invest in gear instead of tech stocks I guess. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 12:00 AM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > I always trip out on people who say that can't afford anything - > whatever happened to SAVING UP :) > > > > :::-----Original Message----- > :::From: Travis [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > :::Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 11:56 PM > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > :::Subject: Re: Stereo EDP > ::: > :::I think what you've got is a case of champagne taste and beer > budget. > ::: > :::And these college kids with nice guitars and amps, and effects, but > no > :::cash for an EDP or Repeater....? Like they're never going to spend > :::more money on gear? Please. If they can afford to go to college, > they > :::can find the money for and EDP (or a Repeater)...if they really want > :::one. If they're just dilettantes who think it sounds like a "cool > :::idea", well I think it'd be cool to have a car that goes 0-60 in 5 > :::seconds, but I'm not going to whine about how I can't find one for > :::under a thousand dollars. Tools cost money. > ::: > :::TravisH > ::: > :::On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:52 PM, > :::Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > ::: > :::> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 05:55 PM, Travis wrote: > :::> > :::>> But, if you can't stand it, you can't stand it. Still, I don't > think > :::>> $1600 for stereo EDPs is that much, if you're seriously making > music > :::>> in a commercial context. > :::> > :::> Ah, here in lies the point. Commercial context. I have no desire > to > :::> try and turn my art into money. Tried to do it before and only > became > :::> sad and angry. I loop pretty much for me. If I can find people > who > :::> enjoy it, that's great, but I'm not counting on it to pay the > bills. > :::> > :::> So, what I'm saying is that I am typical, not the professional > :::> musician. I think Rick Walker might be the closest person here to > :::> making their living doing looping, and I know he has to supplement > :::> that with lessons and more standard fare in his shows. The reason > I > :::> don't balk about my Photoshop license (of course this wouldn't be > the > :::> forum anyway) is because I do make a living using that tool. My > music > :::> only costs me money. I'm not complaining, I like it this way. > :::> > :::> When I bought an amp from some college kids, I saw they both had > DL4s > :::> and we started talking about looping. They were really interested > in > :::> learning about different looping devices. At the time the > Repeater > :::> was still in production. I told them about the Repeater and the > EDP > :::> and when I hit them with the price tags, they both looked > deflated. > :::> They had blown their cash on nice instruments and amps, and didn't > :::> have much left over for a looper that was between $600 and $800. > ::: > ::: > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 05:12:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P99f209437; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Mono (was: "Stereo EDP") Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:09:28 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <003301c36ae8$975876e0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5vPftC.A.UTC.VJdS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, Well, finally I just have to come out with this... I'm a MONO GUY!!! ;-D Seriously, I simply find mono so much more powerful and mono also keeps my own playing more accurate. I regard stereo as "sweetening" only and fact is that stereo somewhat confuses my perception of frequencies. To "tell a story" I'm much more dependent on the balance of frequencies than on stereo placements of sounds. However, when the "story" is happening I don't mind communicating it in stereo - but mono is definitely where it comes from. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 05:20:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P9Fqp09876; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030825091545.19744.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:15:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030825022457.30335.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- Goddess wrote: > > I just had an interesting idea. Perhaps Mark > and I should do a CD together! > > We could call it Adversarial Musics, volume 1, > The Angry Years, or some such thing! lol! Special guest cameo appearances by Roger Waters and David Gilmour, the Everly Brothers, Ray and Dave Davies, etc.... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 05:49:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P9kRP12131; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:46:21 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <004001c36aed$bdf7c170$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- 02.1700 > Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. > Popularity will rise, prices will fall. I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? Personally I would prefere a rack mountable PC or a "mini PC" (with a flat screen or/and a projector provided by the venue). But not until I find the right software for it (next thing to check out is that "Linux EDP rip-off"). Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 05:53:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7P9pKA12665; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:51:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c36aee$0c58c210$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <200308241853.h7OIrdX31369@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c201c36acc$4b49b460$8463f93f@global> Subject: Re: Playing an instrument versus building an instrument Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:48:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I completely concur. Sometimes I feel like exploring the technology, but for the most part I like doing so for the purpose of providing a new canvas for performance, or composition. After 23 years in the PC biz, I pretty much hate contending with technology in front of anyone. How much more satisfying to just sit down and PLAY, yes? Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:46 AM Subject: Playing an instrument versus building an instrument > Andre sent this in for our consideration: > > -------------------- > "Software instruments never stop changing, never stop offering up more of > those infinite possibilities we're always hearing about. Compare the > situation with, say, playing an acoustic guitar. Years of practice are > necessary before you really begin to discover the hidden potential > inside that rounded box with six metal strings and a hole. But right off > the bat, software instruments - especially modular ones like Max/MSP and > Reaktor - provide a dizzying number of powerful effects. > > This makes it easy to endlessly tweak your material rather than to > accept the constraints that partly define the act of composition. And > this is particularly true when you can tinker not only with the sound > but with the virtual machine that makes the sound. > > "There are two approaches you can take with your music software," says > Gerhard Behles, who quit Monolake in order to run Ableton full-time. > "One is to consider your tools as fixed. The other is to control the > tools themselves. That gives you a much bigger lever. But it can keep > you from ever doing music again." > > Joshua Clayton programs for Cycling '74 and remains captivated by the > nitty-gritty processing available in environments like Max/MSP. Clayton > also has concerns about the aesthetic attitude that such programs can > produce. "I find that people who use Max and similar programs often > aspire to be the god behind the universe, to come up with a formal > system that's completely under their control. Some people can't wait to > get everything inside the computer so they can generate some kind of > utopian music that's all contained within the machine." > > ************************************************** > This is fascinating stuff to ponder and I can see the dangers in living in > the software environment and , indeed, no many artists, who > never even produce any music for people because they are trying to stay on > top of the expansion of software that is continual. > > I, however, also sense a wierd sense of deja vu recalling the judgemental > response of many 'old school' acoustic guitarists when > encountering Les Paul's first experiments with that new fangled 'gimmicky' > technology called the magnetic pickup. > > Thank God, Dre' (for your fascinating music) that you went with the > instrument innovator's approach. If you decide that you never want to do > anything but keep exploring a non-processed guitar through an EDP or two, > more power to you. I know you'll create > really cool music with your approach. > > It doesn't have to negate an artist who just can't wait to get and master > the latest mangling plugin software. Two different instruments. Two > different musicians...............Viva la difference! > > Peace, Rick > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 06:36:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PAXLg17080; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:33:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:33:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:33:11 EDT Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What I don't understand, is the desire for more and more and more of a > "better" something that may not even be defined yet, to create something > that one isn't even aware of, and doesn't seem to be going toward now. > Dreaming is wonderful and so very important, but this sounds like a very > aimless and nameless pseudo-need to me. hi Cara >From a software developers' point of view it makes sense to dream first, and write the code later. The worst thing to do with a piece of software is set out with one target in mind, then add stuff afterwards, it actually makes for more bugs that way. There have been a lot of good suggestions on this thread, if anything people have been somewhat restrained. There's people out there who have a really strong vision of what they want to achieve with their music, surely it can't hurt for them to imagine a future technology that will help them to do this. If you want to stick with the stuff you have and work with that, then that's great, that's what that "stuff" is for. ...but don't you ever think ................................................what if.............................? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 07:04:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PB07w20176; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:00:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:00:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:00:02 EDT Subject: Re: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So you > could, for example, record a loop, then set only certain cells to > contunuously overdub, so that the majority of the loop remains while > selected parts are constantly changing as you continue to play. Does > that make sense? Oh yes indeed! This is somewhat similar to the EDP 8th quant replace stuff. As "Live" Loopers, what we want to know is "Can you start Record with a controller, and then simultaneously End Record, (defining the loop length with that control), and immediately go into playback, without any gap or glitch and preferably with the option to go straight into overdub?" andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 07:09:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PB5sm20651; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:05:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:05:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:05:40 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <005c01c36af8$d40d7030$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > So you > > could, for example, record a loop, then set only certain cells to > > contunuously overdub, so that the majority of the loop > remains while > > selected parts are constantly changing as you continue to > play. Does > > that make sense? > > Oh yes indeed! > This is somewhat similar to the EDP 8th quant replace stuff. > > As "Live" Loopers, what we want to know is > "Can you start Record with a controller, and then > simultaneously End Record, (defining the loop length with > that control), and immediately go into playback, without any > gap or glitch and preferably with the option to go straight > into overdub?" > > andy butler Good point, Andy! Well, can it? (me too curiously awaiting an answer...) As I understand it, after reading at the site http://dexterssandbox.com/sooperlooper/, this Linux looper can do that. I'm now looking into installing Linux here to find out. Regards Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 07:23:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PBJGv21451; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:19:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:19:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c36afa$55455040$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Future Technology? Was: Playing vs. building ... Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:16:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com put forth: > > What I don't understand, is the desire for more and more and more of a > > "better" something that may not even be defined yet, to create something > > that one isn't even aware of, and doesn't seem to be going toward now. > > Dreaming is wonderful and so very important, but this sounds like a very > > aimless and nameless pseudo-need to me. > > There's people out there who have a really strong vision > of what they want to achieve with their music, surely > it can't hurt for them to imagine a future technology > that will help them to do this. This could be a moebius loop on its own, neh? Sort of like the Terminator series... :) It'd be interesting for LD members to write about the kind of Future Technology you're alluding to. My 'vision' I suppose has more to do with studio/stage setup than a singular instrument/effect/device. No frigging wires. A pedal control device or three for effects, mix, and video. REAL Surround (not the kind being sold today, really - because [as told to me by an acoustics engineer] "Surround Doesn't".) I'm talkin' about wallpaper that's a continuous, dimensional-positional speaker process, walls and ceilings. This wallpaper will also be a video surface. Instrument? Guitar. Keyboard/Sampler. Found Objects. Depends on what I feel like at the moment, so I suppose it doesn't matter, does it? I'd talk about more but I'd have to kill ya. But I don't think it takes much to imagine what the above could do for performance at least. The above sci-fi of sorts is just barely here anyway, almost not even a "what if"? thing. > If you want to stick with the stuff you have and work with > that, then that's great, that's what that "stuff" is for. > ...but don't you ever think > ................................................what > if.............................? Nonetheless, I consistently find greater satisfaction when I contend with the Limitations-At-Hand. My tendency is to just want to USE whatever I've got to do whatever I can. Uh, sorry if it's too reality-based though... Anyway! Anyone remember that idiotic bit Rolling Stone did years ago, where they asked guitar gods at the time (like Rick Derringer? yes, I'm that old) what they'd think of as their "perfect" guitar? One of them said they wanted a certain female orifice in the back of his... Another talked about an anti-gravity option to turn on in the middle of the show, so he could float above the audience and wail away (hopefully on his guitar). I think my "what if's" tend to hang around with the anti-gravity device neighborhood. I love causing the "wow effect", you know? Just a thought, and now back to your coffee. Or whatever. Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 08:05:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PC2WY26227; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:02:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Future Technology? Was: Playing vs. building ... Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:02:25 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <007201c36b00$bff396d0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <002f01c36afa$55455040$0207a8c0@eluk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just want to throw in a comment on this thread because I have experienced that almost any thing you can dream up, regarding your musical expression, can be made to happen. I have always guessed that this should be true but only now when I have been around for almost a half century I dare to say that this is likely to be the way things are. My theory goes along with what Jung was talking about and I do think there are certain "musical archetypes" that all humans have in common at the very deepest level of our individual minds. This gives that you really can not imagine a sound, or a performance attitude for your playing, that really is an "aimless and nameless pseudo-need". You can of course make the decision to not make it happen but it will still be there in your mind, as an option. And whatever you hear with your inner ear can be brought out for others to experience as well. But there is a missing link that you have to put into place for things to start happening, and this could mean some hard work. You have to define a "palette" for translating your subjective musical experience to air waves. Here's where that old Miles Davis quotation comes in handy: "Learn everything, then forget about it and play" (or whatever he said... Anyway, you get the pic). Today you could as well say "Read and memorize all manuals, then forget about it and start programming". Musical expression and communication is not different from other human activities. If you want it to happen in the real world you have to "market it" (setting up your "palette"). But IMHO this does not at all interfere with the fact that it all comes from dreams and visions. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 10:17:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PEBNT10445; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:11:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308251123.h7PBNWt21823@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2VTO0C.A.GjC.LkhS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not everyone chooses to go to art school. We all make our choices, and consequences follow. EDPs and Repeaters are not, in the scale of things, terribly expensive. I'll ask again: how much money would you *pay* for a software version of the EDP? TravisH > PLEASE. I had a decent guitar (that I had purchased before college) > and amp but was mostly broke during college. There was no way I could > have afforded an EDP at any point while I was in school. After rent > and tuition and supplies (art school) there was little left for gear. > Luckily I had purchased a JamMan for $311 before I started school. > Not everyone gets mommy and daddy's help. > My rent is $1400 a month and my wife's job has her at part time at a > fraction of what she made before the bubble burst. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 10:30:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PEPQq12674; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:25:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:25:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Stereo EDP Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c36b14$9c6d69c0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7PEPQW12650 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow you mean you think this will succeed and you realize that the embedded OS is quite likely embedded Windows NT (whatever version there up to) it only runs the PC version of VST plugins. I actually agree that something like this is quite likely to be the next effects processor that many will be using. I tried a dedicated PC setup but, found I could too easily run out of memory. Of coarse some of the plugins I tried had memory leaks and could crash the system but, with proper integration testing you could probably weed out the bad plugins. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo EDP PLEASE. I had a decent guitar (that I had purchased before college) and amp but was mostly broke during college. There was no way I could have afforded an EDP at any point while I was in school. After rent and tuition and supplies (art school) there was little left for gear. Luckily I had purchased a JamMan for $311 before I started school. Not everyone gets mommy and daddy's help. By the time I had enough money to buy an EDP, there was a better choice (for me) available. The Repeater. If I had to replace it, I'd get another. My only worry is when there aren't any more to be had. By that time the EDP will have been killed by this: http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- 02.1700 Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. Popularity will rise, prices will fall. Most won't be running looper software, but that won't matter. Other VSTs will help make it popular and bring the hardware price down and make competitors offer other VST based devices. Since it's all dedicated DSP hardware it won't have issues that your laptop now has. Someone will write a killer VST looper and that will be that. No use arguing with me. I'm from the future and I've seen it happen. Mark Sottlaro On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Travis wrote: > I think what you've got is a case of champagne taste and beer budget. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 10:33:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PEMwg12318; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:22:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:22:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308251123.h7PBNWt21823@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <9DD78E12-D707-11D7-81D5-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Near as I can tell, nothing in the music gear industry ever gets killed, except for maybe wax cylinder recorders. Transistors didn't kill tubes, the electric guitar didn't kill the archtop, hard disk recording didn't kill tape, rack mount effects didn't kill stomp boxes, AmpFarm didn't kill the amp industry, etc, etc. The reissue guitar/amp/effects industry seems stronger than ever. The net result is there's just more of everything. A few years ago did you think the VG-8 was going to kill anything? TravisH On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 04:23 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > By the time I had enough money to buy an EDP, there was a better > choice (for me) available. The Repeater. If I had to replace it, I'd > get another. My only worry is when there aren't any more to be had. > By that time the EDP will have been killed by this: > > http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- > 02.1700 > > Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. Popularity will rise, > prices will fall. Most won't be running looper software, but that > won't matter. Other VSTs will help make it popular and bring the > hardware price down and make competitors offer other VST based > devices. Since it's all dedicated DSP hardware it won't have issues > that your laptop now has. Someone will write a killer VST looper and > that will be that. No use arguing with me. I'm from the future and > I've seen it happen. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 11:20:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PFFVw20706; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:15:29 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/25/2003 11:15:31 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> It sounds like the only definition of a viable modern looper that you'll accept is an EDP clone. Well, I've got a real EDP (and I dig it, at least the parts of it that I've bothered to learn, and I very much appreciate the effort and intelligence that went into it--Thanks!), and I have Reaktor, and for MY purposes, I have to tell you that Reaktor is simply the more interesting, more flexible, and more accessible looping device, without even trying to be. In the less than 6 months that I've had both my EDP and Reaktor4, I've had far more success configuring Reaktor into the kinds of looping tools that I wanted, then I've had sussing out the features I'll use from that huge EDP manual (it's bigger than Reaktor's manual!). In the less than 2 WEEKS that I've even been considering using Reaktor as a serious looper (I didn't buy it to do that...thought I had that covered), I've assembled half a dozen endlessly modulatable, instantly reconfigurable processing matrices with multiple loopers that I couldn't even dream about building in hardware, even if I chose to invest in a Switchblade and a few more EDPs to add to my rack effects. Somehow, I can't escape the fact that my expensive hardware is kinda gathering dust these days. For me, Reaktor does the job because it lets me get an idea for a looping device (or any audio device) and just go build the damn thing....have it that day, that hour, without leaving my seat. And my device will have ONLY the features that I want it to have, where I want 'em. And when and if those features get boring or my ideas change, I can just as easily add to 'em, or build a new device...and it may not even be the looping features that need changing. Maybe my new looping tool doesn't even have to have any new looping features, if the routing and modulation options are rich enough. What's not modern or viable about a simple, malleable personalized looper that I can duplicate and multiply in an infinitely configuable effects, modulation and routing environment? Frankly, a commercial looping-only product, tangled up with complex features behind a cryptic and fixed interface, burned in a chip, designed by somebody else to suit a broad audience using preconceptions about looping and concepts for looping features that didn't come from my impulses and fantasies and have to be deciphered to be made my own (and "a few days" won't cut it when it comes to doing the deciphering...), is seeming less and less modern to me! The virtual looper isn't just viable---it's here, and it's very cool. In fact, it's even more viable to me than a Linux EDP. It ain't about cloning features that are already not exactly serving me, or even about piling up new features in endless software versions......it's about having the tools to completely personalize them. The promise of the software looper isn't that it can become or match an EDP in features. It's that it can be whatever I want, now. So, for me, it isn't a question of when software will match hardware, or can it?...it's do I even NEED the hardware anymore? <> Since you don't have Reaktor, will screen shots do? dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 11:37:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PFXST23438; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:33:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:33:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:33:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas has a Kyma system and I bet he still uses his EDP. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 11:43:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PFeZe24358; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: back on. From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1061826144.8683.88.camel@bilbo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Date: 25 Aug 2003 11:42:24 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I seemed to have gotten dumped off the list. Not sure how. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 11:57:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PFqwl26023; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:52:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:52:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: back on. Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:51:57 -0600 Message-ID: <001001c36b20$d10afe70$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1061826144.8683.88.camel@bilbo> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:52:51 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wups. You mean ... THAT's what that button did? *starts siddling backstage* Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Lomas [mailto:jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:42 AM > To: LD > Subject: back on. > > > Hi guys, > I seemed to have gotten dumped off the list. Not sure how. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 12:52:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PGn3702694; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:49:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:46:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digitech space station presets?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Digitech space station and was wondering if there is any list of the actual presets. The owners manual describes how to use the pedal but in adds it mentions reverse delays, rings mod, octabass, etc yet there is not corresponding list of actual patch #s. The pedal has groupings printed on in (ie: 1-9 Synth, 10-19 "warp", etc) but I'm looking for something a bit more specific that says what preset # does what. baring that does anyone have particularly favorite preset #'s that they use and know what si going on in them? I have an all guitar looping and processing show in two weeks and am thinking about using this pedal in the mix. I'll rehearse with it a lot and listen to it a lot anyway but any info would help me figure out what others effects this might compliment. thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 12:57:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PGswp03543; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:54:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:54:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:54:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Digitech space station presets?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: e75b2f7c aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <53j3G.A.P3.i9jS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Isn't there a list of what the patches do on the underside of the unit? Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Legion wrote: > > I have a Digitech space station and was wondering if there is any list > of > the actual presets. The owners manual describes how to use the pedal > but > in adds it mentions reverse delays, rings From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 13:14:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PH4tF06139; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech space station presets?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why yes, there is. Thanks! > Isn't there a list of what the patches do on the underside of the unit? > Mark Sottilaro > > > > I have a Digitech space station and was wondering if there is any list > > of the actual presets. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 13:46:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PHiIf11852; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:44:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:44:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Digitech space station presets?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:44:13 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/25/2003 01:44:16 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com #10 is my set-and-forget fav: 100%-wet reverse-delay only, with whammy-pedal effect when pedaling up and down. dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 13:48:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PHjgO12148; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:45:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030825115321.007ce8b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:53:21 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I said to Per, I wasn't writing off dreams! absolutely never! It's just that the comments I read at the later part of this thread seemed to take on the character of a dream with no subject at all, and then judging that against something to simply say something's better than something else, when it could just as easily have been just said as an opinion, that's all. -Hope that makes sense... Smiles, Cara At 06:33 AM 8/25/03 EDT, you wrote: >> What I don't understand, is the desire for more and more and more of a >> "better" something that may not even be defined yet, to create something >> that one isn't even aware of, and doesn't seem to be going toward now. >> Dreaming is wonderful and so very important, but this sounds like a very >> aimless and nameless pseudo-need to me. > >hi Cara > >From a software developers' point of view it makes sense >to dream first, and write the code later. >The worst thing to do with a piece of software is set out with >one target in mind, then add stuff afterwards, it actually >makes for more bugs that way. > >There have been a lot of good suggestions on this thread, >if anything people have been somewhat restrained. > >There's people out there who have a really strong vision >of what they want to achieve with their music, surely >it can't hurt for them to imagine a future technology >that will help them to do this. > >If you want to stick with the stuff you have and work with >that, then that's great, that's what that "stuff" is for. >...but don't you ever think >................................................what >if.............................? > > >andy butler > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 13:56:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PHr8s13175; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:53:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:53:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030825120047.01a13460@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:00:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Just a little bit more on this. I actually was looking for people to express vision rather than a sort of amorphous desire which they thought was somehow better than something here now. Does that clarify it at all?... Have a nice day... Smiles, C-Quinn At 06:33 AM 8/25/03 EDT, you wrote: >> What I don't understand, is the desire for more and more and more of a >> "better" something that may not even be defined yet, to create something >> that one isn't even aware of, and doesn't seem to be going toward now. >> Dreaming is wonderful and so very important, but this sounds like a very >> aimless and nameless pseudo-need to me. > >hi Cara > >From a software developers' point of view it makes sense >to dream first, and write the code later. >The worst thing to do with a piece of software is set out with >one target in mind, then add stuff afterwards, it actually >makes for more bugs that way. > >There have been a lot of good suggestions on this thread, >if anything people have been somewhat restrained. > >There's people out there who have a really strong vision >of what they want to achieve with their music, surely >it can't hurt for them to imagine a future technology >that will help them to do this. > >If you want to stick with the stuff you have and work with >that, then that's great, that's what that "stuff" is for. >...but don't you ever think >................................................what >if.............................? > > >andy butler > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 14:05:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PI33b15799; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:02:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3F0B3FA800020C33@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030825120047.01a13460@pop.earthlink.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7PI32W15773 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well said... :) Although, as I lack any real talent for 'vision', I have to rely on the 'improvistational process' of creation... The only vision I am exercising is keeping my eyes (well, ears) open for something I perceive as 'new', not necessarily better... For me, this technique is applied to both my software development and my music... A never ending series of 'what ifs', which is, at some point, observed, and measured for pleasure, by me, and either tossed to the wind, or added to my collection of usable ideas... And, as Rick implied, viva la differance... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:00:47 -0600 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Goddess >Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > -Just a little bit more on this. I actually was looking for people to >express vision rather than a sort of amorphous desire which they thought >was somehow better than something here now. Does that clarify it at >all?... Have a nice day... > >Smiles, > >C-Quinn > >At 06:33 AM 8/25/03 EDT, you wrote: >>> What I don't understand, is the desire for more and more and more of >a >>> "better" something that may not even be defined yet, to create something >>> that one isn't even aware of, and doesn't seem to be going toward now. >>> Dreaming is wonderful and so very important, but this sounds like a very >>> aimless and nameless pseudo-need to me. >> >>hi Cara >> >>From a software developers' point of view it makes sense >>to dream first, and write the code later. >>The worst thing to do with a piece of software is set out with >>one target in mind, then add stuff afterwards, it actually >>makes for more bugs that way. >> >>There have been a lot of good suggestions on this thread, >>if anything people have been somewhat restrained. >> >>There's people out there who have a really strong vision >>of what they want to achieve with their music, surely >>it can't hurt for them to imagine a future technology >>that will help them to do this. >> >>If you want to stick with the stuff you have and work with >>that, then that's great, that's what that "stuff" is for. >>...but don't you ever think >>................................................what >>if.............................? >> >> >>andy butler >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 14:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PIljU21362; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:47:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Silliness Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:47:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030825120047.01a13460@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Goddess spake: -Just a little bit more on this. I actually was looking for people to express vision rather than a sort of amorphous desire which they thought was somehow better than something here now. Does that clarify it at all?... Have a nice day... Smiles, C-Quinn Hey Goddess, have an amorphous desire, m'kay??? L-O-L! Gary the squirrel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 14:58:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PIuEk22428; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:56:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:56:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:56:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 3ae056b9 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <9DD78E12-D707-11D7-81D5-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What, are you on drugs? Demoted to esoterica is dead in my book. Hard disk recording didn't kill tape? It sure did. When was the last time you saw a tape based looper in a store? When was the last time it was manufactured? Sure, there will be die hard people who will still hold on to old technology, but as a mainstream thing it will be gone. I can't remember when the last time I saw a cassette for sale. Vinyl is dead to most consumers and only pressed for DJs who still cling to it because of it's certain characturistics. Guess what? I'm reading more and more DJ publications where hard core vinyl fans are moving to the digital side due to new CD decks like the Pioneer CDJ1000 and the Denon DN-S5000 which give all the flexibility of vinyl with the ability to burn a CD with anything you want in it and not have to lug crates of vinyl around to each gig. The Pod may not have killed the tube amp, but I'm sure it's made a dent in it's hull. Fender and Vox are making virtual tube amps. I use a Johnson and I love it, dare I say, almost as much as my Ampeg. Virtual tube emulation is still new, give it time. I'm sure it will make tube gear less and less viable for many manufacturers. Will DJ Spooky be selling all his vinyl soon? Not likely. From a manufacturer's point of view it's mostly dead though. We could argue for days about the merits of old technology, and there are many. Some resurface, like analog synthesis. However, lots of people look at the new Moog synth with it's wood sides and say, "I'll take the Korg MS2000 for 1/5 the price of the Moog thank you." BTW, They Might Be Giants use a wax cylinder recorder on one of their songs. Pretty cute. Mark Sottilaro (who'd pay $200-$300 for a software looper that did what he wanted) On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Travis wrote: > Near as I can tell, nothing in the music gear industry ever gets > killed, except for maybe wax cylinder recorders. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 15:11:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJ5it25253; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:05:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Kaoss Pad Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:05:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gear boys (mainly) and girls (two that I've met), I am running out of the strength to resist buying the new Kaoss Pad. Help me by telling me I cannot plug my existing turntable output into it and sample ausio from records (remember those? Made of old dinosaur droppings?) without a preamp--another way of asking this question is, is there a preamp in it? What is, is. What is not, is not. Is not what is? Gary PS Turntables need a preamp--right? This thing preamplifies turntables, right? As a DJ tool (my new stage name)? Grateful for any help, G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 15:15:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJC2B26263; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Hard disk recording killed the tape star Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:11:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- This morning at our usual business meeting, I used a cassette recorder instead of my usual hand help digital thingies (I have two . . .) and the damned audio was undecipherable--we are in the future in a large way, and things DO become obsolete . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 15:16:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJCgm26440; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:12:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:12:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:12:36 -0700 Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 4061ea48 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1675FE1C-D730-11D7-B15A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right on my brother. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 08:15 AM, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: > The virtual looper isn't just viable---it's here, and it's very cool. > In fact, it's even more viable to me than a Linux EDP. It ain't about > cloning features that are already not exactly serving me, or even > about piling up new features in endless software versions......it's > about having the tools to completely personalize them. The promise of > the software looper isn't that it can become or match an EDP in > features. It's that it can be whatever I want, now. > > So, for me, it isn't a question of when software will match hardware, > or can it?...it's do I even NEED the hardware anymore? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 15:19:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJFTY26752; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:15:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 08cf218b aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <79DE502E-D730-11D7-B15A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 07:11 AM, Travis wrote: > Not everyone chooses to go to art school. We all make our choices, > and consequences follow. EDPs and Repeaters are not, in the scale of > things, terribly expensive. > > I'll ask again: how much money would you *pay* for a software version > of the EDP? Doesn't the software cost $100? I'd pay in the neighborhood of $200-300 or so for one that worked on my Mac. Reaktor 4 sells for $429, but it's a lot more than just a looper. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 15:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJSwQ28451; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:28:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:28:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4A63A5.8600A376@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:29:41 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: Nord Modular Rack - $600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently got a NM keyboard so I've decided to sell my Nord Modular Rack unit. It is in *excellent* shape and comes with the rack ears, original box, and original CDrom. I am asking $600 which I think is a *very* fair price for this unit (it is perfect functionally and VERY nice cosmetically). I will take SERIOUS offers as well. Buyer pays shipping or pickup in Phila PA (will deliver nearby for free if we work it out as well.) All buyers must confirm via phone so if you want it send me your # and I'll call you on my dime to speed things up. I will take offers but the unit is SOLD to the first person to offer $600 at my terms so if you want it it's yours ASAP at that price. I'm posting it to these lists first and the 'net at large later tonight. I can accept paypal but you would need to pick up the fees, otherwise a USPS MO is usually best. I have a ton of references and so if you have any questions feel free to email me. Most people know what this unit is but if you'd like more info try here first: http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/index.htm Better yet listen to it in action on my web page: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/samples.htm (All the songs in the "handheld music" album were done with this piece) Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 15:33:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJVSn28682; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:31:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:31:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:31:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: bd85887e aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004001c36aed$bdf7c170$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The advantage with a box like this is that because it's dedicated to playing only VST plug ins, you won't have latency issues that a PC would running a USB interface. It's actually 24 bit 96 khz. My guess is you'd probably have better overall audio specs. The price tag in this is still high. It lists for $3500 with 250 plug ins. When you get down to what you'd pay for a laptop, 250 plug ins and a 24 bit/96khz audio interface, $3000 isn't all that bad, but like I said before, this is the first of it's kind and prices will plummet like they always do on gear like this. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 02:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > >> > http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- > 02.1700 > >> Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. >> Popularity will rise, prices will fall. > > I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? > > Personally I would prefere a rack mountable PC or a "mini PC" (with a > flat screen or/and a projector provided by the venue). But not until I > find the right software for it (next thing to check out is that "Linux > EDP rip-off"). > > Regards > > Per Boysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 15:34:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJWCp28873; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:32:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:32:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Hard disk recording killed the tape star Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:32:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c36b3f$90d47420$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2" Tape is still not obsolete in the recording industry and I really don't see that ever happening. Even David Torn still uses a micro-cassette player for his loops from time to time - In the end it's just a matter of preference. The thing about the music community is good pieces of gear never really go out of style. Do you really think there will be a day when people will no longer desire a all tube amp, or the simplicity of a stomp box? We aren't talking computers here that get out of date in 6 months. These things last - even when they don't sound too good they usually have a character that somebody picks up on and uses in some creative way. Man have you guys seen how many Theremin players are out there in Los Angeles alone? :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] :::Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:12 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Hard disk recording killed the tape star ::: :::Hi all-- :::This morning at our usual business meeting, I used a cassette recorder :::instead of my usual hand help digital thingies (I have two . . .) and the :::damned audio was undecipherable--we are in the future in a large way, and :::things DO become obsolete . . . :::Gary ::: ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 15:37:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJXrN29180; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:33:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4A64D3.26F2F6D2@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:34:43 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Nord Modular Rack - $600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently got a NM keyboard so I've decided to sell my Nord Modular Rack unit. It is in *excellent* shape and comes with the rack ears, original box, and original CDrom. I am asking $600 which I think is a *very* fair price for this unit (it is perfect functionally and VERY nice cosmetically). I will take SERIOUS offers as well. Buyer pays shipping or pickup in Phila PA (will deliver nearby for free if we work it out as well.) All buyers must confirm via phone so if you want it send me your # and I'll call you on my dime to speed things up. I will take offers but the unit is SOLD to the first person to offer $600 at my terms so if you want it it's yours ASAP at that price. I'm posting it to these lists first and the 'net at large later tonight. I can accept paypal but you would need to pick up the fees, otherwise a USPS MO is usually best. I have a ton of references and so if you have any questions feel free to email me. Most people know what this unit is but if you'd like more info try here first: http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/index.htm Better yet listen to it in action on my web page: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/samples.htm (All the songs in the "handheld music" album were done with this piece) Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 15:55:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJqv932100; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:52:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:52:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030825123335.0340b698@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:54:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:33 AM 8/25/2003, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > What I don't understand, is the desire for more and more and more of a > > "better" something that may not even be defined yet, to create something > > that one isn't even aware of, and doesn't seem to be going toward now. > > Dreaming is wonderful and so very important, but this sounds like a very > > aimless and nameless pseudo-need to me. > >There's people out there who have a really strong vision >of what they want to achieve with their music, surely >it can't hurt for them to imagine a future technology >that will help them to do this. I think you got Cara's point backwards there. People with a strong vision of what they want are the people who also develop a very deep and intuitive connection to the instruments and tools they use to create. They spend they time focused on their idea and become very good at it. Those are also the people who drive the technologies and tools to be something better and new, because their vision rules over everything and they need the right tools to make it happen. For example, Andre LaFosse and Matthias Grob are two people with very strong visions of what they want to do with their music, and have focused tremendous energy on developing those musical ideas. Both of them have such deep, personal, and intimate understandings of their instruments and tools that they can be very musical and expressive with them. At the same time both of them, by digging so deeply into their personal visions, have developed new techniques and looping functions that nobody else ever imagined, raising the bar and giving all the rest of us new looping tools in the process. By becoming so involved with that one idea, they could clearly see the next step to take. On the other hand are the ones Cara speaks of, those who constantly toss out one thing to try the next shiny object, with no clear vision of what they are looking for. You never become intimate enough with any one thing to really make it a part of your ability to express yourself. You have a jumble of partially learned processes and instruments, and none of them really connected into you. Interestingly, while these are the ones always trying something new, they don't seem to be the ones who really start a revolution and create something new. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PJwcp00585; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:58:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:58:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030825125927.033fae48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:00:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") In-Reply-To: <004001c36aed$bdf7c170$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:46 AM 8/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > > >http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- >02.1700 > > > Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. > > Popularity will rise, prices will fall. > >I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? When it was last discussed on the list, the price was quoted as $3500. Presumably that doesn't include the price of the plugins. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:12:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PK8jX03615; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:08:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:08:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030825200839.1297.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:08:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digitech space station presets?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9N6zMD.A.X4.NzmS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL! I was assuming that the bottom of yours, like mine, is covered in velcro and thereby rendered illegible! (I sat mine on my scanner before I velcroed it, same for the Whammy...) One would think that Digitech'd include that info in the manual rather than expecting us to keep squatting down to flip the thing over (or at least on a separate sheet that gets lost immediately a la Alesis) , but noooooo... -t- --- Legion wrote: > > > > Why yes, there is. > > Isn't there a list of what the patches do on the > underside of the unit? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:19:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKHHg04695; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:17:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:17:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:18:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Digitech space station presets?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Michael Firman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030825200839.1297.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3FFD3CC3-D739-11D7-AB7B-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine came with a separate sheet with the preset list (same as that on the bottom of the unit). On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 03:08 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > LOL! I was assuming that the bottom of yours, like > mine, is covered in velcro and thereby rendered > illegible! (I sat mine on my scanner before I velcroed > it, same for the Whammy...) > > One would think that Digitech'd include that info in > the manual rather than expecting us to keep squatting > down to flip the thing over (or at least on a separate > sheet that gets lost immediately a la Alesis) , but > noooooo... > > -t- > > --- Legion wrote: >> >> >> >> Why yes, there is. > >>> Isn't there a list of what the patches do on the >> underside of the unit? > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:27:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKOJe06469; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:24:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:24:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:23:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c36b46$be9897e0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030825125927.033fae48@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Same Price and maybe a few plugins come with it, I'm not sure as its hard to find out everthing you want to know about this device you have to read FAQ1 and FAQ2 to decipher what the deal is. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") At 02:46 AM 8/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > > >http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- >02.1700 > > > Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. > > Popularity will rise, prices will fall. > >I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? When it was last discussed on the list, the price was quoted as $3500. Presumably that doesn't include the price of the plugins. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:33:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKU0m07538; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:30:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:30:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:29:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Kaoss Pad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: c69b2c36 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, it has a phono preamp, high z mic pre and will also take a line line in. It has all of those inputs and a toggle switch. It's da bomb. Sounds to me that you pretty much can't resist buying any piece of gear at all. Best of all, it's a bonafied looper. You have two different loop memory locations and you can apply any preset to either of them. Dude, are you trying to latch on to my looper become DJ movement? BOIEEEE! Actually, we should probably both hit Matt D and Jon E up for guidance on this subject, as they are old school. Dig? K-Marky On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Relay wrote: > Hi gear boys (mainly) and girls (two that I've met), > I am running out of the strength to resist buying the new Kaoss Pad. > Help > me by telling me I cannot plug my existing turntable output into it and > sample ausio from records (remember those? Made of old dinosaur > droppings?) > without a preamp--another way of asking this question is, is there a > preamp > in it? > What is, is. What is not, is not. Is not what is? > Gary > PS Turntables need a preamp--right? > This thing preamplifies turntables, right? As a DJ tool (my new stage > name)? > Grateful for any help, > G > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKc3N08521; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:37:01 -0600 Message-ID: <001801c36b48$a3da83d0$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001f01c36b46$be9897e0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:37:56 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe it's supposed to come shipped with 250 plugins. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") > > > Same Price and maybe a few plugins come with it, I'm not sure > as its hard to > find out everthing you want to know about this device you > have to read FAQ1 > and FAQ2 to decipher what the deal is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") > > > At 02:46 AM 8/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > >http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- > >02.1700 > > > > > Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. > > > Popularity will rise, prices will fall. > > > >I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? > > When it was last discussed on the list, the price was quoted > as $3500. > Presumably that doesn't include the price of the plugins. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:51:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKksZ09837; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:46:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:45:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c36b49$e5b98070$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001801c36b48$a3da83d0$250710ac@ws42554> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess that's enough plugins to keep anyone busy for a month or so -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") I believe it's supposed to come shipped with 250 plugins. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") > > > Same Price and maybe a few plugins come with it, I'm not sure > as its hard to > find out everthing you want to know about this device you > have to read FAQ1 > and FAQ2 to decipher what the deal is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") > > > At 02:46 AM 8/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > >http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- > >02.1700 > > > > > Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. > > > Popularity will rise, prices will fall. > > > >I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? > > When it was last discussed on the list, the price was quoted > as $3500. > Presumably that doesn't include the price of the plugins. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:52:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKmaT10069; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:48:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:48:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Future Technology? Was: Playing vs. building ... Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:48:26 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000a01c36b4a$3bae3390$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030825111358.009b5210@pop.earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, It appears that my thoughtless quotation of Goddess in my earlier post on "common music thinking archetypes" could have been misinterpreted. I'd like to apologize and make clear that I did not mean that she was writing off dreams as such. I was just too wrapped up in my own thinking to thing twice, and I used her expression without and second thoughts simply because I found it well put. My bad, sorry... will learn ;-) Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:53:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKoOH10387; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:50:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Hard disk recording killed the tape star Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 1114e57d aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c36b3f$90d47420$01b52b04@purgatory> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These things stick out and are noticeable to you because they are rare. Rare as in mostly extinct. Nostalgia sure is nice though. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 12:32 PM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > 2" Tape is still not obsolete in the recording industry and I really > don't see that ever happening. Even David Torn still uses a > micro-cassette player for his loops from time to time - In the end it's > just a matter of preference. The thing about the music community is > good > pieces of gear never really go out of style. Do you really think there > will be a day when people will no longer desire a all tube amp, or the > simplicity of a stomp box? We aren't talking computers here that get > out > of date in 6 months. These things last - even when they don't sound too > good they usually have a character that somebody picks up on and uses > in > some creative way. Man have you guys seen how many Theremin players are > out there in Los Angeles alone? > > :::-----Original Message----- > :::From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] > :::Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:12 PM > :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > :::Subject: Hard disk recording killed the tape star > ::: > :::Hi all-- > :::This morning at our usual business meeting, I used a cassette > recorder > :::instead of my usual hand help digital thingies (I have two . . .) > and > the > :::damned audio was undecipherable--we are in the future in a large > way, > and > :::things DO become obsolete . . . > :::Gary > ::: > ::: > ::: > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:56:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKqAi10615; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:52:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:52:04 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000b01c36b4a$bdb89b50$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001801c36b48$a3da83d0$250710ac@ws42554> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] > > I believe it's supposed to come shipped with 250 plugins. > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > > I guess that's enough plugins to keep anyone busy for a month or so Ha! You two guys must be associated with the Plugzilla Maffia!! ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 16:59:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKu2F11247; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:56:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:56:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <921973.1061844960519.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:55:59 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What, are you on drugs? Demoted to esoterica is dead in my book. Hard >disk recording didn't kill tape? It sure did. When was the last time >you saw a tape based looper in a store? When was the last time it was >manufactured? Sure, there will be die hard people who will still hold >on to old technology, but as a mainstream thing it will be gone. Well, it's funny you should ask, but just last week actually: http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html Click on the link for "Tube Tape Echo" and you can see a brand new product with two dead technologies as selling points. And pretty much every guitar store I go into that deals in old effects has a tape Echoplex for sale. And it's easier than ever to find two Teac reel-to-reels if you want to replicate the classic frippertronics/time-lag accumlator/whatever system. Reel to reel analog recording still seems to be holding on also. Actual animal gut guitar strings, now there's something that's been demoted to esoterica, but there's oodles of recording studios that still use and even prefer recording to tape versus digital. I do think the cassette portastudio market may be suffering, but even those things are still being produced, purchased and used. >I can't remember when the last time I saw a cassette for sale. I see them at gas stations all the time. And they still sell cassette deck/boomboxes at my grocery store. >Vinyl is >dead to most consumers and only pressed for DJs who still cling to it >because of it's certain characturistics. And people who prefer the sound and experience of vinyl LPs, which would explain why I can buy estoteric releases like the new Radiohead on vinyl. Or could if I preferred the vinyl experience, which on the whole, I don't. >The Pod may not have killed the tube amp, but I'm sure it's made a dent >in it's hull. Fender and Vox are making virtual tube amps. I use a >Johnson and I love it, dare I say, almost as much as my Ampeg. Virtual >tube emulation is still new, give it time. I'm sure it will make tube >gear less and less viable for many manufacturers. Yeah, but if we substitute "transistor" for "digital emulator" (or "Rockman" for "Pod")? The same things were said about solid-state amps (and other audio equipment), but the old stuff is still very, very desirable to a lot of people and new examples are being successfully marketed. Just because something isn't the newest design or even holds the dominant market share doesn't mean it's "dead" or "esoteric". The emulators have many great things, and I use them myself for a lot of things, but absolute tonal quality isn't usually the first thing mentioned as a selling point. > We could argue for days about the merits of old technology, and there are >many. Some resurface, like analog synthesis. However, lots of people look at >the new Moog synth with it's wood sides and say, "I'll take the Korg MS2000 >for 1/5 the price of the Moog thank you." Well, if it's the wood sides and basic sound they're focusing on, then yeah--go for the Korg. But there's a lot of differences between the two if you're digging below the surface, and if you want a certain set of those qualities and features, then the Moog is pretty much the only solution. Half of what made Moogs great (and half of what made it frustrating) wasn't whether it was actual analog components making those sounds, but the interface. >Mark Sottilaro (who'd pay $200-$300 for a software looper that did what >he wanted) So, is that $200-$300 on top of the host program to run this, or $200-$300 total? If you can't find someone to write it for you at that price, then you're just being unrealistic, and personally, I'm doubtful about the viability of that price point. On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Travis wrote: > Near as I can tell, nothing in the music gear industry ever gets > killed, except for maybe wax cylinder recorders. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 17:01:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PKrcG10899; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Kaoss Pad Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:53:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'm on my way to GC to get them to match the 'net price--and please don't tell anyone I have GAS-- Gary K-Marky say: Yes, it has a phono preamp, high z mic pre and will also take a line line in. It has all of those inputs and a toggle switch. It's da bomb. Sounds to me that you pretty much can't resist buying any piece of gear at all. Best of all, it's a bonafied looper. You have two different loop memory locations and you can apply any preset to either of them. Dude, are you trying to latch on to my looper become DJ movement? BOIEEEE! Actually, we should probably both hit Matt D and Jon E up for guidance on this subject, as they are old school. Dig? On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Relay wrote: > Hi gear boys (mainly) and girls (two that I've met), > I am running out of the strength to resist buying the new Kaoss Pad. > Help > me by telling me I cannot plug my existing turntable output into it and > sample ausio from records (remember those? Made of old dinosaur > droppings?) > without a preamp--another way of asking this question is, is there a > preamp > in it? > What is, is. What is not, is not. Is not what is? > Gary > PS Turntables need a preamp--right? > This thing preamplifies turntables, right? As a DJ tool (my new stage > name)? > Grateful for any help, > G > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 17:04:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PL0wd13174; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:00:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Hard disk recording killed the tape star Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:00:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c36b4b$f68052b0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope sorry - they stick around TO ME personally because they sound good to the ear. Rare and Nostalgia has nothing to do with it - I have tons of gear that isn't considered rare but may be considered old. I have rack gear that is analog and digital and I have pedals that I prefer for live performances. To quote my own post - "It's a personal preference". 2" Tape isn't rare in the recording studio world - it's all over the place and made available to you if you prefer that saturated tape sound. Or you can have a plug in mimic that sound - but why not go for the real thing? Well probably because it's a cheaper route but anyway - Like I said before, in the end there is too much demand for things non-digital. But don't get me wrong - I embrace both worlds selectively - :::-----Original Message----- :::From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] :::Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:50 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Hard disk recording killed the tape star ::: :::These things stick out and are noticeable to you because they are rare. ::: Rare as in mostly extinct. Nostalgia sure is nice though. ::: :::Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 17:16:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PLDRH15183; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:13:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:13:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:12:26 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c36b4d$95ebac90$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000b01c36b4a$bdb89b50$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah I was playing around with building a PC sound effects processor for myself a few months back and still am but I still would want some hardware device around as a backup. I was playing around with a large number of plugins and found that a lot of them were garbage with memory leak problems but, obviously integration testing is required. I see this thing limits the number of plugins you can load at one time. Good idea as during some of my test I would build this insane chain of effects and usually run out of memory :) oops! -doh. M$ is really a bunch of cheapskates you would have thought they would have included at least one version of Embedded NT in the MSDN Universal subscription -figures :( -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") > From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] > > I believe it's supposed to come shipped with 250 plugins. > From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@developsolutions.com] > > I guess that's enough plugins to keep anyone busy for a month or so Ha! You two guys must be associated with the Plugzilla Maffia!! ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ------------- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 17:19:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PLFGB15481; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:15:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:15:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Stereo EDP Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:14:24 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c36b4d$dc5e0970$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <921973.1061844960519.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7PLFFW15455 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's always a few retros around but, retro can be fun too :) I have a few clunky old devices around myself. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:56 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo EDP >What, are you on drugs? Demoted to esoterica is dead in my book. Hard >disk recording didn't kill tape? It sure did. When was the last time >you saw a tape based looper in a store? When was the last time it was >manufactured? Sure, there will be die hard people who will still hold >on to old technology, but as a mainstream thing it will be gone. Well, it's funny you should ask, but just last week actually: http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html Click on the link for "Tube Tape Echo" and you can see a brand new product with two dead technologies as selling points. And pretty much every guitar store I go into that deals in old effects has a tape Echoplex for sale. And it's easier than ever to find two Teac reel-to-reels if you want to replicate the classic frippertronics/time-lag accumlator/whatever system. Reel to reel analog recording still seems to be holding on also. Actual animal gut guitar strings, now there's something that's been demoted to esoterica, but there's oodles of recording studios that still use and even prefer recording to tape versus digital. I do think the cassette portastudio market may be suffering, but even those things are still being produced, purchased and used. >I can't remember when the last time I saw a cassette for sale. I see them at gas stations all the time. And they still sell cassette deck/boomboxes at my grocery store. >Vinyl is >dead to most consumers and only pressed for DJs who still cling to it >because of it's certain characturistics. And people who prefer the sound and experience of vinyl LPs, which would explain why I can buy estoteric releases like the new Radiohead on vinyl. Or could if I preferred the vinyl experience, which on the whole, I don't. >The Pod may not have killed the tube amp, but I'm sure it's made a dent >in it's hull. Fender and Vox are making virtual tube amps. I use a >Johnson and I love it, dare I say, almost as much as my Ampeg. Virtual >tube emulation is still new, give it time. I'm sure it will make tube >gear less and less viable for many manufacturers. Yeah, but if we substitute "transistor" for "digital emulator" (or "Rockman" for "Pod")? The same things were said about solid-state amps (and other audio equipment), but the old stuff is still very, very desirable to a lot of people and new examples are being successfully marketed. Just because something isn't the newest design or even holds the dominant market share doesn't mean it's "dead" or "esoteric". The emulators have many great things, and I use them myself for a lot of things, but absolute tonal quality isn't usually the first thing mentioned as a selling point. > We could argue for days about the merits of old technology, and there >are >many. Some resurface, like analog synthesis. However, lots of people look at >the new Moog synth with it's wood sides and say, "I'll take the Korg MS2000 >for 1/5 the price of the Moog thank you." Well, if it's the wood sides and basic sound they're focusing on, then yeah--go for the Korg. But there's a lot of differences between the two if you're digging below the surface, and if you want a certain set of those qualities and features, then the Moog is pretty much the only solution. Half of what made Moogs great (and half of what made it frustrating) wasn't whether it was actual analog components making those sounds, but the interface. >Mark Sottilaro (who'd pay $200-$300 for a software looper that did what >he wanted) So, is that $200-$300 on top of the host program to run this, or $200-$300 total? If you can't find someone to write it for you at that price, then you're just being unrealistic, and personally, I'm doubtful about the viability of that price point. On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Travis wrote: > Near as I can tell, nothing in the music gear industry ever gets > killed, except for maybe wax cylinder recorders. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 17:22:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PLHiM15781; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:17:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:17:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3036506.1061846263454.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:17:42 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I'll ask again: how much money would you *pay* for a software version >> of the EDP? >Doesn't the software cost $100? I'd pay in the neighborhood of >$200-300 or so for one that worked on my Mac. Reaktor 4 sells for >$429, but it's a lot more than just a looper. >Mark Sottilaro The latest version of the EDP software is available for $100. It's really an upgrade charge though, since you have to have an EDP to use it, and if you've got one then you've already paid for a previous version of the software. I think that the low price of upgrade is probably subsidized by the hardware sales, plus there's really no chance of the software being pirated. There's a one-to-one mapping of users to sales, something that PC-based software developers can't count on. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 17:23:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PLKka16220; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:20:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:20:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:20:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 365fae83 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030825123335.0340b698@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3PaA_B.A.Q9D.u2nS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 12:54 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > On the other hand are the ones Cara speaks of, those who constantly > toss out one thing to try the next shiny object, with no clear vision > of what they are looking for. You never become intimate enough with > any one thing to really make it a part of your ability to express > yourself. I think I totally understand that process, but it is not always a bad thing. For a long time, I was mostly broke, so my tools were fairly limited. The Digitech 8000 was the most looper I could imagine affording and even that I got used for $100. Eventually, by saving I could afford to buy a JamMan. That totally set me back though, I remember. It was only a bit over $300, but it hurt. I put myself through school and things only got worse. I knew of people who had EDPs, but that was way beyond me, although I longed for one. Luckily, the end of college for me plunked me at the golden days of the Tech boom. I have to admit, I went crazy and tried a LOT of stuff. (relative to most) I don't think of it as a waste of time or money at all though. I learned a lot. I had worked in music retail a lot so I knew what existed. Over the last year or so, I've started to totally change my setup in interesting ways. My metro-rack is getting more and more empty. Things that I thought were "must haves" ended up being novelties. Weird stuff like the KAOSS pad that seemed like they might be novel have become staples in my setup. Features that caused me to buy some items ended up not being used very often, while other features get daily use. Overall, my gear is finally becoming more and more honed and focused. Sometimes you can't know if something is for you unless you try it. I remember thinking the Spacestation was the best. Ended up not using it much because what I wanted to hear were actual synths. I'm not cutting down the Spacestation, I'm just saying it's not for me. I couldn't know that from checking it out at a music store though. I had to own it for quite some time before I realized it wasn't quite what I was going for. Same thing for the AdrenaLinn. So now I have a very clear idea of what I like to do, what I'm good at and what sounds I like to hear. More often I hear myself asking, "Does this piece of gear serve me? Should I get rid of it?" It's been really good and cathartic. I play more than I ever have and I've been having a great time. Will I never buy something new again? I'm sure I will. I'll probably be more diserning than I used to be. Ebay is great for this. I know that something I buy now won't become worthless in trade value 3 months later. All this stuff about a looper came up because someone asked what we wanted in the "looper of the future." In actuality I wasn't thinking of getting a new looper at all, and I'd probably not buy a software EDP even it it was available to me right now. The prospect of learning another interface isn't what I want to be doing with my time right now. but there's always the FUTURE. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 17:25:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PLLvv16374; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:21:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:21:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:21:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: be78ead4 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001f01c36b46$be9897e0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Message-Id: <24A688C6-D742-11D7-B15A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-_whqC.A.u_D.03nS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it comes with 250 plug ins but they don't say what they are. On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 01:23 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Same Price and maybe a few plugins come with it, I'm not sure as its > hard to > find out everthing you want to know about this device you have to read > FAQ1 > and FAQ2 to decipher what the deal is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") > > > At 02:46 AM 8/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >> http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- >> 02.1700 >> >>> Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. >>> Popularity will rise, prices will fall. >> >> I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? > > When it was last discussed on the list, the price was quoted as $3500. > Presumably that doesn't include the price of the plugins. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 17:29:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PLPjJ17114; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:25:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 33a75b34 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <921973.1061844960519.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8T-ibC.A.SLE.Y7nS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 02:55 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > So, is that $200-$300 on top of the host program to run this, or > $200-$300 total? If you can't find someone to write it for you at > that price, then you're just being unrealistic, and personally, I'm > doubtful about the viability of that price point. Why? They sell loop4 for $100 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 17:33:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PLU6w18124; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:30:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:29:13 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c36b4f$ef0b9d10$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <24A688C6-D742-11D7-B15A-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's the trouble with plugins they're never quite what ou want them to be. I like the new Windows version of Max/MSP now if it could generate VST plugins that would be really interesting :) -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") it comes with 250 plug ins but they don't say what they are. On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 01:23 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Same Price and maybe a few plugins come with it, I'm not sure as its > hard to > find out everthing you want to know about this device you have to read > FAQ1 > and FAQ2 to decipher what the deal is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") > > > At 02:46 AM 8/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >> http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- >> 02.1700 >> >>> Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. >>> Popularity will rise, prices will fall. >> >> I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? > > When it was last discussed on the list, the price was quoted as $3500. > Presumably that doesn't include the price of the plugins. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 18:01:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PLt5R21704; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4A8488.49C263D2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:49:59 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What it means to build vs. play... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick and dcoffin's comments make me want to put this thread into a slightky broader perspective... I used this analogy before, but it's the best one I can think of: learning to play an instrument is basically the process of learning to work within a fixed set of parameters. And if someone has designed a truly deep and elegant instrument, then the player can find more and more inspiration within it as their understanding of the instrument deepens. There's a depth of understanding and experience that a Leo Fender, Ned Steinberger, Paul Reed Smith, or Uli Teuffel will have about how to make a guitar that isn't going to be present in someone who's just starting to build them. Likewise, there's a collection of thought, experience, vision, and imagination in hardware that Matthias Grob, Kim Flint, Claude Voit, Andy Butler, Chris Muir, and others have contributed to for over ten years, that isn't going to be present in someone who's just starting to assemble modules in a software package. So to me, the real difference between playing a hardware instrument vs. building a software one isn't just a question of, "Can you do in software what you can do in hardware?" It's more a matter of what kind of relationship you want to have with your tools. I like being presented with an instrument that's already been designed, by guys who have thought about the concepts much longer and more deeply than a person who's just getting started with it. I like the experience of developing mental and physical technique to bend the instrument to my whim. I like knowing that there are certain things I can do with an instrument, and certain things I can't, because it means I can spend less time trying to decide what I should play, and more time exploring the concrete territory within one fixed and tightly-defined vision. And it's always fun when those "things I can't do" start to become "things I CAN do" as a result of honing my abilities, and my understanding of the instrument, with time and experience. And I love the sense of discovery when I suddenly start understanding the brilliance of features and design aspects that I never understood or found interesting a few years ago... and then I realize just how far ahead of everyone else the guys were when they designed it in the first place. dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: > Frankly, a commercial looping-only product Is "commercial looping-only product" an oxymoron? ;) > tangled up with complex > features behind a cryptic and fixed interface, The EDP's interface is actually very deliberately laid out along the front panel, and there are very deep reasons why the functions and parameters are organized the way that they are. If you take the time to work from left to right, and get a sense of the basic principles that the unit is based on, then the supposedly complex and cryptic instrument starts to make a lot of sense. In fact, it actually becomes very, very intuitive. And the interface was laid out in a specific way precisely because the designers felt it best reflected their vision for their instrument. I seriouly doubt that a programming system like Reaktor or Max/MSP could be completely understood in just a few hours, or even a few months. Just like the EDP, each of these programs have a specific design architecture, and if you want to truly understand where they're coming from and how to use them, you have to spend the time learning them. > designed > by somebody else to suit a broad audience using preconceptions about > looping and concepts for looping features that didn't come from my impulses > and fantasies and have to be deciphered to be made my own I would have to say the following: - The concepts within the EDP are some of the most singular, ideosyncratic and unique ones you'll find, and were designed by guys who have spent DECADES thinking about looping and how to go about implementing it in an elegant and intuitive manner. - Things like unrounded multiply, SUS-functions, function quantization, and the like are hardly tailor-made to a "lowest common denominator" audience, and they utterly fly in the face of most people's ideas of what they look for in looping. I'm not just talking about the LoopIV upgrade; there are things in the original software from 10 years ago that people are still barely coming to terms with. > So, for me, it isn't a question of when software will match hardware, or > can it?...it's do I even NEED the hardware anymore? I guess it depends on these issues: - Do you need a basic underlying software that's the product of decades of collective experience, testing, debugging, and imagination? With a depth of focus and intent that comes from focusing its parameters on one specific task, with some features that won't fully reveal themselves until after several years worth of study? - Do you need an interface that's been carefully designed to offer a fluid and intuitive PERFORMANCE experience? Being "real-time" and being "performance-friendly" are not necessarily the same thing at all. - Do you need to do things in software that you know you can't do in hardware? And could there be things in hardware that you wouldn't have thought of, that could end up sparking your imagination if you take the time to work with them and accept the "limitatons" they're presented in? Finally, Rick Walker said: > It doesn't have to negate an artist who just can't wait to get and master > the latest mangling plugin software. Two different instruments. Two > different musicians...............Viva la difference! Negating someone else's work is absolutely NOT what I'm about. If someone absolutely loves working with Max/MSP or Reaktor, then that's what they should do. But in order to "viva la difference," I think you have to UNDERSTAND "la difference" in the first place. And to me, that's what all of this is about: thinking critically so we can get to the heart of what those differences mean to people, and how they might impact the way we work. Anyway... --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 18:21:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PME5725472; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:14:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:14:02 -0700 Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: nathan pease To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6ED81553-D749-11D7-A850-000393CE40C6@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've done this in max/msp. it could be left in overdub after setting the loop's end point or not depending on how the program ("patch") was set up. if I was so inclined I could set up 2 buttons, one that ends record and leaves the looper in overdub, and one that takes it out of overdub. -nathan On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 04:00 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > As "Live" Loopers, what we want to know is > "Can you start Record with a controller, and then simultaneously > End Record, (defining the loop length with that control), and > immediately > go into playback, without any gap or glitch and preferably with the > option > to go straight into overdub?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 18:42:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PMeRs28533; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:40:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:40:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c36b59$b80b1020$9f61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308251911.h7PJBME26007@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: correction: Max/MSP bi-platform licensing information Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:39:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <9m_V.A.s9G.bBpS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I read my good friend Per Boysens complaints about the Max/MSP bi platform licensing and, being a friend also, of Cycling 74 owner, David Zicarelli, I fired off a letter to him warning him that this critique was in the wind of the truly amazing and powerful Max/MSP software. Anyway, he wrote me back and said that upon rereading the website that he felt that their text was potentially misleading. Here Per, and everyone, is the skinny from the horses' mouth. "For $29, any current Mac Max/MSP user can get a cross-platform license. The cross-platform license is free to anyone who purchased the software after July 1, 2003. Anyone, as of now, who buys Max/MSP gets a cross-platform license. We allow authorizations of up to two machines, more in special circumstances. You can choose whether to authorize two Macs, two PCs, or one of each." Just thought you should know. For those of you who don't, Max/MSP is an object oriented software that allows for incredible sound design work. It is very , very deep and yet you can get great results from it the first time you use it. Being a minion of the evil Gates empire (just can't afford that titanium G5 powerbook unfortunately) I was thrilled to hear that the software was available bi-platform. Now, if Cycling 74 would just release the amazing RADIAL (loop manipulation software) and JITTER (video/loop manipulation software) and Pluggo (more mangling fun in plug in form that should be legal) I would be the happiest PC dude in the universe. later, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 18:45:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PMbxS28306; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:37:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Kaoss Pad Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:37:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back from GC and da bomb indeed! G -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Kaoss Pad OK, I'm on my way to GC to get them to match the 'net price--and please don't tell anyone I have GAS-- Gary K-Marky say: Yes, it has a phono preamp, high z mic pre and will also take a line line in. It has all of those inputs and a toggle switch. It's da bomb. Sounds to me that you pretty much can't resist buying any piece of gear at all. Best of all, it's a bonafied looper. You have two different loop memory locations and you can apply any preset to either of them. Dude, are you trying to latch on to my looper become DJ movement? BOIEEEE! Actually, we should probably both hit Matt D and Jon E up for guidance on this subject, as they are old school. Dig? On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Relay wrote: > Hi gear boys (mainly) and girls (two that I've met), > I am running out of the strength to resist buying the new Kaoss Pad. > Help > me by telling me I cannot plug my existing turntable output into it and > sample ausio from records (remember those? Made of old dinosaur > droppings?) > without a preamp--another way of asking this question is, is there a > preamp > in it? > What is, is. What is not, is not. Is not what is? > Gary > PS Turntables need a preamp--right? > This thing preamplifies turntables, right? As a DJ tool (my new stage > name)? > Grateful for any help, > G > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 18:51:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PMluc29781; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:47:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:47:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: correction: Max/MSP bi-platform licensing information Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:47:49 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001401c36b5a$ea403150$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006201c36b59$b80b1020$9f61f93f@global> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:39 AM > Here Per, and everyone, is the skinny from the horses' mouth. > > "For $29, any current Mac Max/MSP user can get a > cross-platform license. Thanks Rick! Great information. They should make that web site a bit more easy to get around ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 19:07:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PN2F400449; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:02:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:02:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2505227.1061852509318.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:01:48 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> So, is that $200-$300 on top of the host program to run this, or >> $200-$300 total? If you can't find someone to write it for you at >> that price, then you're just being unrealistic, and personally, I'm >> doubtful about the viability of that price point. >Why? They sell loop4 for $100 >Mark Because they know that it won't be pirated, and because it's an upgrade fee which is always cheaper than buying the thing from scratch. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 19:34:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PNVb003654; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: What it means to build vs. play... Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:31:31 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001801c36b61$04926a90$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3F4A8488.49C263D2@earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > Rick and dcoffin's comments make me want to put this thread > into a slightky broader perspective... Nice post, Andre! Since I'm also myself a musician that loves the feel of an old and well crafted instrument (or two of them, but not too many ;-) I read your post with my smile broadening with the perspective ;-). But to me you seem a little too biased towards holding the EDP, Max/MSP and Reaktor as being only instruments. There are also musicians that would never narrow their personal ways of musical expression to "instruments", since they are constantly refining their art "mentally" by manipulating different combinations of structures, in fact sometimes by asking "what if". One example of this point of view, that comes to my mind, is an old friend and band mate of mine that came to a concert to check out what I was up to these days. He did not know about the Repeater and the EDP so he asked me after the gig how we created "those looping sequences of the sound from our instruments". When I told him he said: "Oh, so it's nothing new then. You're just doing what the old generation of composers already did with pen, paper and some maths - but you guys use the machines to carry out the calculations for you". I was so amazed that he did not find it remarkable at all that we were doing it live, in real-time! To him there were no instruments used on stage except for guitar and saxophone. My point though, is that a person well experienced in this craft of music theory and its application for a personal artistic expression can walk into a wide open system with billions of possibilities, like MSP or Reaktor, and use what he needs to refine his own vision. For him it might make perfect sense to spend years in the bath tub reading manuals without ever touching physical instruments. And when he finally will begin to realize his ideas as sound waves it might sound very mature. All the best Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 19:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7PNYCw03874; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:34:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: OT: Pink Floyd Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c36b61$5dd5fa90$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <2505227.1061852509318.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The "Dark Side of the Moon" DVD comes out tomorrow: http://www.pinkfloydonline.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f= 17&t=12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 20:09:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q040008441; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:04:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:04:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:03:54 -0700 Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: abaaa6ca aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001801c36b61$04926a90$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think another point that Andre's analogy misses is that we're not really building instruments from scratch like one would a violin when we create a looper (or other processing chain) in Reaktor. Now, I don't know the program at all, but I've fooled around with Max, so I get the basic idea. It's much more akin to someone going out and buying a carbon graphite neck, basswood body, Kahler bridge and Spertzel tuners. When I was shopping for a Stratocaster, I did not like the standard $400 model that Fender was selling at the time, so I got a G&L Skyhawk instead. The tuners weren't as stable as I thought they could be so I put locking Spertzels on it. The pickup selector switch was in the wrong place for me, so I put a Starr switch in so I could get more combinations and not have a toggle switch in my hands way. Did I build an instrument? Not even close. Wouldn't try to. However, I did create a custom instrument for my specific needs, just as one could create a custom processor in Reakor. I think it's better to think of Reaktor like one would think of a modular synth, not like buildling a Stratocaster from scratch. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 04:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > >> Rick and dcoffin's comments make me want to put this thread >> into a slightky broader perspective... > > Nice post, Andre! Since I'm also myself a musician that loves the feel > of an old and well crafted instrument (or two of them, but not too many > ;-) I read your post with my smile broadening with the perspective ;-). > But to me you seem a little too biased towards holding the EDP, Max/MSP > and Reaktor as being only instruments. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 21:01:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q0vtX13887; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:57:51 -0700 Subject: Plugzilla users? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308252221.h7PMLTS26328@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <51986DCF-D760-11D7-9A22-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has this thing even been released yet? I'm not finding any hands-on reviews on the web (or a manual or list of the included plugs), although I did find a price for it at Sweetwater. Is this another Repeater situation? TravisH On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 03:21 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Ha! You two guys must be associated with the Plugzilla Maffia!! ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 21:11:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q19du16954; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:09:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:09:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: What it means to build vs. play... Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:09:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c36b6e$b2e3bd30$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <007301c36b6e$78f802c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But what about the smoke pot before you loop discussion :) :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] :::Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:08 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... ::: :::Instead of writing a long treatice on my own experience with instruments, :::tools, looping, learning, building and discarding, I will instead offer :::this :::much less useful observation: ::: :::This list is filled with some of the brightest, most innovative, and :::ego-driven characters I've ever experienced in an online community... and :::I :::love it. ::: :::I even like to consider myself a "regular" and try to contribute when I :::can, :::although this post probably isn't helping my normally high signal to :::noise :::ratio. :) ::: :::I just thought I'd remind us all to stay friendly... the current threads :::are :::some of the most interesting discussion I've seen here in months... or :::even :::years. ::: :::Dig ::: ::: ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 21:16:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q17uT16669; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c36b6e$78f802c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3F4A8488.49C263D2@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:07:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Instead of writing a long treatice on my own experience with instruments, tools, looping, learning, building and discarding, I will instead offer this much less useful observation: This list is filled with some of the brightest, most innovative, and ego-driven characters I've ever experienced in an online community... and I love it. I even like to consider myself a "regular" and try to contribute when I can, although this post probably isn't helping my normally high signal to noise ratio. :) I just thought I'd remind us all to stay friendly... the current threads are some of the most interesting discussion I've seen here in months... or even years. Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 21:18:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q1GT918020; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:17:40 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c36b6f$d8de6020$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! I love my EDPs... - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: reaktor, MSP, etc Dennis Leas has a Kyma system and I bet he still uses his EDP. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 21:19:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q1EmP17730; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Plugzilla users? Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:13:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c36b6f$51d94040$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <51986DCF-D760-11D7-9A22-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the FAQ #2 they said there was one shipped May 1 2003 maybe to the owners brother? maybe a regular Joe Customer? or as a comp to an interested high profile musician? Who knows? http://www.plugzilla.com/specs/Document.2003-02-24.4055/view -----Original Message----- From: Travis [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Plugzilla users? Has this thing even been released yet? I'm not finding any hands-on reviews on the web (or a manual or list of the included plugs), although I did find a price for it at Sweetwater. Is this another Repeater situation? TravisH On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 03:21 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Ha! You two guys must be associated with the Plugzilla Maffia!! ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 22:00:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q1vjM23961; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:57:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:57:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:58:55 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c36b75$9cac7780$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...trying to respond to several points made today... 1) Writing a "full-featured" looper is *a lot* harder than it seems. But some of the tough issues dealt with in the EDP do disappear when using tools like Max/MSP, Kyma, etc. For example, synchronizing multiple loops in Kyma is easy since all loops run on the same hardware platform. You don't need MIDI or brother syncing to maintain phase accurate loops. Of course, syncing to a external signal remains problematic without special effort. 2) A full-featured looper is a little like building a house that meets everybody's needs. You end up with a lot of room additions and garages that most folks don't need or aren't interested in. (Perhaps they get lost wandering through the house of many rooms 'cause they don't want to look at the house plans.) On the other hand, if you're going to buy just one house, you might as well make it a mansion. But if you can quickly build a house, perhaps you'll include only those features you need right now. (Like extra bathrooms and a wet-bar if you're having a party.) You may not want to live there in the long term but it fits your current needs. 3) When you create your own loopers, it's hard to talk about them in a community like we do our EDPs/Repeaters/DL-4s/etc. Their design becomes so personal, we lack the context to understand how they're used. In this sense they're like building your own instrument or creating your own language. I see a need for both full-featured loopers and custom-made ones. 4) I really wish software could be delivered without risking piracy. I'm sure we would have many more fine products available if piracy could be prevented. Personally, I think Matthias and Kim would be nuts to release a software only EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 22:02:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q1xlG25607; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:23:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cara and Mark, I would like to offer my services as producer for your CD project. I'd like to produce you in a heavy handed, Phil Spectorish way. Endless takes, verbal abuse, holding you both virtually captive ala Ronnie Spector, I'd utilize all of these tactics to really draw the animosity and creative juices out of you both. Doesn't that sound fun? But wait, there's more. Once the CD is finished, and has received universal critical praise, and selling a boat load of copies, I'll conspire with my crack team of lawyers to bilk you both out of the royalties, and when you protest, I'll just hire some Milli Vanilli types to take your places on the world wide tour. Whadaya think Cara, Mark? Hello? Your Pal Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 22:47:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q2if030818; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:44:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:44:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030825130210.035eae98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:55:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stereo EDP In-Reply-To: References: <24E5C02A-D6C9-11D7-81D5-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2wuvGB.A.WhH.ZmsS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Travis wrote: > >>I think what you've got is a case of champagne taste and beer budget. At 12:15 AM 8/25/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >PLEASE. I had a decent guitar (that I had purchased before college) >and amp but was mostly broke during college. There was no way I could >have afforded an EDP at any point while I was in school. After rent >and tuition and supplies (art school) there was little left for gear. me neither. In college I played the same $250 guitar I got when I was 13. But then I got a real job and saved my money. Three years after finishing college I bought a $4000 guitar and a $2000 guitar amp. I'm sure glad I didn't go to art school! Now I want a carrera 4 cabriolet. or dare I dream? a 911 GT2. 0-60 in 4.1 sec, and Travis can eat my dust with his 5 second weeny mobile. But how dare they charge $181,000 for a car! Who do they think will buy it? Those bastards are trying to rip me off. Rich guys never drive those cars to their full potential, but I would. They should price it the same as a honda civic, or at least a lexus. (C'mon folks, help me out. The paypal donation link is on the LD website. I really do need that car.) But kidding aside, the primary customers for musical instrument companies are professionals who mostly don't play music for a living and have disposable income. They buy stuff for themselves and their kids, as part of their music playing hobby. That's who instrument companies care about. Poor people don't buy anything, because they have no money. So the instrument industry doesn't design products for them. If you sell a product with a lower price, do the poor people start buying it? No, they don't, because they still don't have any money. Your product just starts to fall into the impulse buy category for more people, where they don't have to ask their spouse or deny their kids an x-box before purchasing it. It's still the people with money who are buying it, and those are still the people you care about. Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it anyway. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 22:48:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q2kfL31250; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c36b7c$c8747d20$48b2a344@hppav> From: "David" To: , References: <002d01c36b75$9cac7780$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:50:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.178.72] at Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:46:33 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis writes: > Personally, I think Matthias and Kim would be nuts to release a > software only EDP. I agree completely. They'd be out of work immediately. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 22:49:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q2kCA31158; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:46:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:46:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c36b7c$b73311c0$48b2a344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:49:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.178.72] at Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:46:04 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <40CF-.A.smH.znsS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I say make them play each other's set-ups and record the results! And no second takes! :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Walker," To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... > Cara and Mark, I would like to offer my services as producer for your CD > project. I'd like to produce you in a heavy handed, Phil Spectorish way. > Endless takes, verbal abuse, holding you both virtually captive ala Ronnie > Spector, I'd utilize all of these tactics to really draw the animosity and > creative juices out of you both. Doesn't that sound fun? But wait, there's > more. Once the CD is finished, and has received universal critical praise, > and selling a boat load of copies, I'll conspire with my crack team of > lawyers to bilk you both out of the royalties, and when you protest, I'll > just hire some Milli Vanilli types to take your places on the world wide > tour. Whadaya think Cara, Mark? Hello? > > Your Pal > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 22:50:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q2ldG31435; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:47:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030825142809.026d4fa8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:47:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") In-Reply-To: References: <004001c36aed$bdf7c170$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:31 PM 8/25/2003, msottilaro wrote: >The advantage with a box like this is that because it's dedicated to >playing only VST plug ins, you won't have latency issues that a PC would >running a USB interface. it's probably better, or at least more predictable. It depends how they designed it, but chances are since VST plugs are x86 based, they are using a pc motherboard and maybe windows or some embedded windows variant. Since pc hardware architecture and windows are not real-time environments, you always have some possibility for trouble there with latencies, just as you do in a pc. Still, it is probably a lot easier for them to keep things under control with a dedicated environment. >It's actually 24 bit 96 khz. My guess is you'd probably have better >overall audio specs. The price tag in this is still high. It lists for >$3500 with 250 plug ins. When you get down to what you'd pay for a >laptop, 250 plug ins and a 24 bit/96khz audio interface, $3000 isn't all >that bad, but like I said before, this is the first of it's kind and >prices will plummet like they always do on gear like this. I like this sort of idea a lot better than using laptops. Laptops are designed for business people to answer emails and make ppt slides on airplanes. The hardware is wrong for the needs of a musician, because it was never designed for that purpose. It's a big compromise. Another variations on this theme is the Sound-Art Chameleon: http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/index.htm Of course, you are still dealing with a general purpose device, and the user interface is not really tailored to the application, although moreso than a laptop. So you are still stuck with the issue of it being inefficient to use, which is more or less of a problem depending on what you are trying to do. For an application where you just set it up to process and you don't interact with it much that is probably fine. But for something where it is more of an instrument and you do interact with it constantly, the UI design is critical. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 25 23:25:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q3MSe05011; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:22:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:22:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030826032227.83472.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Stereo EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis wrote: > Not everyone chooses to go to art school. We all make our choices, and > consequences follow. EDPs and Repeaters are not, in the scale of > things, terribly expensive. Maybe not in your scale of things. A "stereo EDP" costs more then my car. I have to have a car, given where I live and what I do for a living. I don't have to have an EDP. I can't justify it with my family budget in my income being what they are, certainly not two of 'em. You guys can rave on all you want, but the simple fact is that in TODAY's musical world, virtually every box you can buy is stereo. People expect that today, whether they need it or not. Some -really- need it, some don't, but it should be there because it's there on all the other gear you buy. I bought a $100 filter effect recently. It was stereo. And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when I'm the one sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy MORE GEAR for the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like signal level incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix that's not stereo. You have to expect that sort of thing if you use a bunch of old used gear, I don't complain too much about the signal level problems with my Vortex...it's 15 years old! But if I bought a brand new piece of gear, it should be up to today's basic standards. > I'll ask again: how much money would you *pay* for a software version > of the EDP? I'd rather have the hardware box. Even if it's overpriced, it's still cheaper then software will ever be. Software is the black hole of neverending expense. First, you have to buy the computer...which is outdated the day you open the box, even if it's the top of the line, best you can buy. It'll be obsoleted in two years, tops. IF you buy the high end of the technology spectrum, you're going to pay a lot. Sure, you can buy a capable laptop for $900...but it's last years technology and will be obsolete much sooner. Software constantly grows, expands, and requires more resources...which your old machine will eventually not have. So any computer-based thing will require you to keep buying it...over...and over...and over. It's like putting gas in your car. Budget $1000 a year for computer hardware to stay somewhere close to current. And then many companies charge you for software updates too. Here's your scenerio, that upgrade to XP-2006 isn't free, in fact, it costs a bundle, but...gee, the nifty new version of the Megalooper software only runs on that...and this is the version when they finally added the feedback control...I have to upgrade. Man, my hard drive isn't big enough for all this, and I don't have enough memory... Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 00:10:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q46W711742; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <132.23bbc244.2c7c36c5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:06:29 EDT Subject: Re: Stereo EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_132.23bbc244.2c7c36c5_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_132.23bbc244.2c7c36c5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/25/03 1:56:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > >What, are you on drugs? Demoted to esoterica is dead in my book. Hard > >disk recording didn't kill tape? It sure did. When was the last time > >you saw a tape based looper in a store? When was the last time it was > >manufactured? Sure, there will be die hard people who will still hold > >on to old technology, but as a mainstream thing it will be gone. > > Well, it's funny you should ask, but just last week actually: > > http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html > > Click on the link for "Tube Tape Echo" and you can see a brand new product > with two dead technologies as selling points. And pretty much every guitar > store I go into that deals in old effects has a tape Echoplex for sale. And > it's easier than ever to find two Teac reel-to-reels if you want to replicate > the classic frippertronics/time-lag accumlator/whatever system. > > Reel to reel analog recording still seems to be holding on also. I often hear of people who track to 2" analog to get the saturation and then dump immediately to Pro Tools or similar to continue. Admittedly, these are pros with more choices and deeper pockets than most of us, but no way is analog over yet. And why should it ever be this OR that, anyway? I want this, and that. And I'd rather spend my time and energy confronting my own primal creative process than argue this vs that any day. ymmv TF --part1_132.23bbc244.2c7c36c5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/25/03 1:56:25 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:

>What, are you on drugs?&nbs= p; Demoted to esoterica is dead in my book.  Hard
>disk recording didn't kill tape?  It sure did.  When was the l= ast time
>you saw a tape based looper in a store?  When was the last time it=20= was
>manufactured?  Sure, there will be die hard people who will still h= old
>on to old technology, but as a mainstream thing it will be gone.  <= BR>
Well, it's funny you should ask, but just last week actually:

http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html

Click on the link for "Tube Tape Echo" and you can see a brand new product w= ith two dead technologies as selling points.  And pretty much every gui= tar store I go into that deals in old effects has a tape Echoplex for sale.&= nbsp; And it's easier than ever to find two Teac reel-to-reels if you want t= o replicate the classic frippertronics/time-lag accumlator/whatever system.&= nbsp;

Reel to reel analog recording still seems to be holding on also.

I often hear of people who track to 2" analog to get the saturation and then= dump immediately to Pro Tools or similar to continue. Admittedly, these are= pros with more choices and deeper pockets than most of us, but no way is an= alog over yet. And why should it ever be this OR that, anyway? I want this,=20= and that. And I'd rather spend my time and energy confronting my own primal=20= creative process than argue this vs that any day. ymmv

TF --part1_132.23bbc244.2c7c36c5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 00:16:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q4Dkb12750; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:13:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:13:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1df.eee11ec.2c7c3873@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:13:39 EDT Subject: Re: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1df.eee11ec.2c7c3873_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1df.eee11ec.2c7c3873_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assuming the price doesn't fall rapidly, even with latency, etc I'd still find the Kyma more attractive for my interests. TF In a message dated 8/25/03 2:22:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > it comes with 250 plug ins but they don't say what they are. > > > On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 01:23 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > > >Same Price and maybe a few plugins come with it, I'm not sure as its > >hard to > >find out everthing you want to know about this device you have to read > >FAQ1 > >and FAQ2 to decipher what the deal is. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > >Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:01 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP") > > > > > >At 02:46 AM 8/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote: > >>> > >>http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- > >>02.1700 > >> > >>>Trust me. If not this unit, it's offspring. > >>>Popularity will rise, prices will fall. > >> > >>I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? > > > >When it was last discussed on the list, the price was quoted as $3500. > >Presumably that doesn't include the price of the plugins. > > > >kim > > > --part1_1df.eee11ec.2c7c3873_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Assuming the price doesn't fall rapidly, even with lat= ency, etc I'd still find the Kyma more attractive for my interests.

TF



In a message dated 8/25/03 2:22:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossi= ng.net writes:

it comes with 250 plug ins but=20= they don't say what they are.


On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 01:23  PM, Alan Kroeger wrote:

>Same Price and maybe a few plugins come with it, I'm not sure as its >hard to
>find out everthing you want to know about this device you have to read <= BR> >FAQ1
>and FAQ2 to decipher what the deal is.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:01 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: RE: Plugzilla (was: "Stereo EDP")
>
>
>At 02:46 AM 8/25/2003, Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>http://www.plugzilla.com/Folder.2002-09-28.2833/News_Item.2003-03- >>02.1700
>>
>>>Trust me.  If not this unit, it's offspring.
>>>Popularity will rise, prices will fall.
>>
>>I scanned that site but could find no price tag for this monster? >
>When it was last discussed on the list, the price was quoted as $3500. >Presumably that doesn't include the price of the plugins.
>
>kim
>


 --part1_1df.eee11ec.2c7c3873_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 00:29:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q4RRQ14272; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:27:15 EDT Subject: changes at Akai Pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f9.305f2d76.2c7c3ba3_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f9.305f2d76.2c7c3ba3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read today in the latest "Pro Sound News" that Akai recently revamped their entire distribution system. Maybe that's why the Headrush has been harder to find lately. Tim F --part1_f9.305f2d76.2c7c3ba3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read today in the latest "Pro Sound News" that Akai=20= recently revamped their entire distribution system. Maybe that's why the Hea= drush has been harder to find lately.

Tim F --part1_f9.305f2d76.2c7c3ba3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 00:31:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q4Sl014425; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.18ea4c31.2c7c3bf6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:28:38 EDT Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a4.18ea4c31.2c7c3bf6_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a4.18ea4c31.2c7c3bf6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/25/03 6:10:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: > But what about the smoke pot before you loop discussion :) > smoke pot before you post, please. then get really loopy --part1_1a4.18ea4c31.2c7c3bf6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/25/03 6:10:00 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, squidloop@thetentacle.org writes:

But what about the smoke pot be= fore you loop discussion :)


smoke pot before you post, please.

then get really loopy --part1_1a4.18ea4c31.2c7c3bf6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 00:44:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q4gVT16099; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.19283e4d.2c7c3f2c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:42:20 EDT Subject: Re: Hard disk recording killed the tape star To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19c.19283e4d.2c7c3f2c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19c.19283e4d.2c7c3f2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/25/03 12:12:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > Hi all-- > This morning at our usual business meeting, I used a cassette recorder > instead of my usual hand help digital thingies (I have two . . .) and the > damned audio was undecipherable-- speak analog into analog recorders, man! "Talk Normal!"- Laurie Anderson --part1_19c.19283e4d.2c7c3f2c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/25/03 12:12:29 PM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes:

Hi all--
This morning at our usual business meeting, I used a cassette recorder
instead of my usual hand help digital thingies (I have two . . .) and the damned audio was undecipherable--


speak analog into analog recorders, man!


"Talk Normal!"- Laurie Anderson --part1_19c.19283e4d.2c7c3f2c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 01:25:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q5Ni621499; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:23:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:23:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fd01c36b92$d75b7bc0$97184b43@bwanacentral> From: "Kerry Maxwell" To: References: Subject: Re: Kaoss Pad Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:28:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: RE: Kaoss Pad > Back from GC and da bomb indeed! > G > > > Seems like a nifty box. I'd be interested in a loopcentric review. Kerry M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 01:40:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q5bTM22715; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:37:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:37:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030826032227.83472.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when I'm the one > sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy MORE GEAR > for > the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like signal level > incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix that's not > stereo. That was my basic point. The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If you've got stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo looper is pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully placed in the stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo were really critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have stereo effects sends instead of mono sends. Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo throughs -- means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and that costs both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP that will allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.) Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able to play nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in all but the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got to find a place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot pedal. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 02:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q6NmK28138; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:23:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:23:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Analog to Digital with Kaoss--Not Loop Review Yet . . . Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:23:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <19c.19283e4d.2c7c3f2c@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1bGHOD.A.h3G.0zvS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahem-- Just finished my first new project using the Kaoss--sampling (well, recording to the hard drive, soon to be a major record release {hey, it's round and it's got a hole in it, OK???} an obscure vinyl record (Sing Along with Basie--really entertaining--Lambert Hendricks and Ross WITH THE COUNT BASIE BAND . . . and Joe Williams!), and I have to say (without any further ado--because we don't) that--ahem-- LOOPER'S DELIGHT SHOULD TAKE UP A COLLECTION AND BUY ANDRE LAFOSSE ONE OF THESE THINGS, THEN RUN FOR COVER!!! What hath God wrought . . . Bear in mind, I haven't inserted a MIDI plug yet--guess I know how I'll be spending my Labor Day weekend (Candy's going to Catalina) . . . Thumbs up to Mark Sarcastilaro--he was right all along . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hard disk recording killed the tape star In a message dated 8/25/03 12:12:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: >Hi all-- >This morning at our usual business meeting, I used a cassette recorder >instead of my usual hand help digital thingies (I have two . . .) and the >damned audio was undecipherable-- speak analog into analog recorders, man! "Talk Normal!"- Laurie Anderson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 02:54:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q6q8p30319; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:52:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:52:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Getting loopy Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1a4.18ea4c31.2c7c3bf6@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We take all jokes very seriously. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... In a message dated 8/25/03 6:10:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, squidloop@thetentacle.org writes: But what about the smoke pot before you loop discussion :) smoke pot before you post, please. then get really loopy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 02:59:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q6voq30747; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:57:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Cranky Kim Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:57:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030825130210.035eae98@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it anyway. Can this really be true? If so, I'm moving to Mars (worse pay--better fellow musicians) Gary PS Forever's a long, long time G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 03:20:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q7HtT01522; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 03:17:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 03:17:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Stereo EDP Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:17:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c36ba2$121c1490$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had these 'stereo issues' over the EDP, but over the few years I've had mine, I've grown increasingly attached to its power, immediacy and accuracy of timing. Its priceless having zero latency feedback from what I feed into it with all the options available to arrange, manipulate, undo or start over again. This piece of kit lends itself to exploration of real time musical creativity like nothing else out there. To the point where it became a 'no brainer' to get a second one. Having the option to go from a tight stereo looper to two independent, tightly synced mono loopers, with different loop lengths, one in reverse/half time/different loop, etc etc while the other stays the same or changes in parallel or a radically different direction: big No Brainer. My guitars and synths and voice and handdrums can take on new life, in a synergy with the Machines. And the cost of entry is not unreasonable for the keys to a deep universe of possibility. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 04:00:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q7vak05132; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 03:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 03:57:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.2381164b.2c7c6ce5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 03:57:25 EDT Subject: Re:Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > = Cara > > = me > = Kim > > > What I don't understand, is the desire for more and more and more of a > > > "better" something that may not even be defined yet, to create > something > > > that one isn't even aware of, and doesn't seem to be going toward now. > > > Dreaming is wonderful and so very important, but this sounds like a > very > > > aimless and nameless pseudo-need to me. > > > >There's people out there who have a really strong vision > >of what they want to achieve with their music, surely > >it can't hurt for them to imagine a future technology > >that will help them to do this. > > I think you got Cara's point backwards there. People with a strong vision > of what they want are the people who also develop a very deep and intuitive > connection to the instruments and tools they use to create. They spend they > time focused on their idea and become very good at it. Those are also the > people who drive the technologies and tools to be something better and new, > because their vision rules over everything and they need the right tools to > make it happen. I read lots of posts on this thread (hopefully all of them), and there seemed to be mostly sensible, attainable, suggestions by folks using looping gear to make their music. There was one great idea at least, (that hasn't been mentioned on this list before), and would offer a whole load of musically useful features. Mostly it's easier to think along the lines of "what if Multiply worked in this way", which produces a step forward. (eg, SUSMultiply) Sometimes the suggestion isn't possible to implement, but the same musical effect can be got by a different method. (eg. David Torns request for "Loop Divide" wasn't possible with the EDP hardware, but now we have 8th Quant which can do a good approximation) Sometimes it's possible to invent the musical result without having an idea of how this might be implemented. That could be aimless dreaming, but it could be source of workable ideas. > > For example, Andre LaFosse and Matthias Grob are two people with very never heard of 'em :-) > > On the other hand are the ones Cara speaks of, those who constantly toss > out one thing to try the next shiny object, with no clear vision of what > they are looking for. I didn't really notice a lot of that sort of talk on the thread (....but then it doesn't stick in the mind so well ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 04:33:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q8UQn09321; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 04:30:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 04:30:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 04:30:11 EDT Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <9clm4D.A.iRC.iqxS_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've done this in max/msp. it could be left in overdub after setting > the loop's end point or not depending on how the program ("patch") was > set up. if I was so inclined I could set up 2 buttons, one that ends > record and leaves the looper in overdub, and one that takes it out of > overdub. > > -nathan thanks for that Nathan, is that totally seamless though? i.e. you keep playing a sustained note while hitting the "ends record and leaves the looper in overdub" button, and on playback there's no gap/click in the note. sorry, have to ask andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 05:09:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7Q957814265; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:05:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:05:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c36bb0$c298dd40$0207a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:02:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:57 AM Subject: Cranky Kim > > >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really > >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it anyway. > > Can this really be true? > If so, I'm moving to Mars (worse pay--better fellow musicians) > Gary > PS Forever's a long, long time Yes, but right now we're closer to the ol' Red Planet than we've been in the last 60,000 years. Time's a-wastin'! http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/25aug_closeencounter.htm?list465705 Steve Goodman * EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 10:41:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QEJlc21156; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:19:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c36bdd$9b8d9ec0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:23:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.238.90] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:19:40 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm with Kim on this point, and the rest of the post that this point was made in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: Cranky Kim > > >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really > >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it anyway. > > Can this really be true? > If so, I'm moving to Mars (worse pay--better fellow musicians) > Gary > PS Forever's a long, long time > G > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 11:28:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QFAH631087; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:10:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c36be4$a6cd6520$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:13:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [68.163.238.90] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:10:08 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK - this gets my dander up! :-) So.... Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona: Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: 1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono. 2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric guitarists. (Kim? Anyone?) 3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos, and voice are all mono. 4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're likely going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field -- OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for example. 5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the stereo field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to stereo -- cool. And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors. 6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have more than one of them. 7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two monitors and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a second EDP than you're letting on. F A C T - 1: Here are stats from that big EDP "restart" order I helped organize with Gibson at the end of 1999. 89% wanted 1 EDP 9% wanted 2 EDP's 2% wanted 3 EDP's F A C T - 2: From a Looping Device Market Penetration and Demand study I did in in 1997, 46% of EDP owners at the time indicated they would buy another EDP if priced at $700 +/- 10%. (If you want a copy of this report, let me know). It seems if you need a stereo edp, here are your basic options: 1) Present an economic case to Gibson for them to build it 2) Design one yourself and build it -- if you think there's sustaining market demand for it, set up shop and make more. 3) Buy a second unit: $649.99 from Alto Music. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553271953&category=621 4) Buy a used unit when they come for sale -- and they do! I chose option 3. For me, it was clearly the cheapest, most effective and quickest way to get what I needed. Exiting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Stereo EDP > on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when I'm the one > > sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy MORE GEAR > > for > > the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like signal level > > incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix that's not > > stereo. > > That was my basic point. > > The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If you've got > stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo looper is > pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully placed in the > stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo were really > critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have stereo > effects sends instead of mono sends. > > Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo throughs -- > means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and that costs > both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP that will > allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.) > > Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able to play > nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in all but > the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got to find a > place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot pedal. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 12:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QFeiG02643; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Kaoss--Almost Looping--Today! Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:40:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <9_h4ZC.A.Lp.793S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hiya-- Today is Kaoss day, and I wonder (and will probably soon find out)--does this thing have soft thru on the MIDI out port? Guess I'll go see . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 12:22:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QGHcw08934; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:17:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:17:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Kaoss--soft thru on the MIDI out port Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:17:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it has it, there's a toggle somewhere I haven't found--bummer . . . OTOH, so far I have gotten it to control volume and feedback on the EDP--progress??? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 12:51:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QGfd613377; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:41:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:41:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030826164136.9363.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim wrote: > >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really > >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it anyway. This sounds like a very cynical take on things. Getting things into the "impulse purchase", or even the "minimal thought" price ranges certainly DO increase sales...especially for "take it or leave it" type specialty items. I think this is the reason the Boomerang never really "took off". It was about $200 too expensive. Likewise with the EDP. The high entry price restricts it to people who REALLY WANT it, and that means it'll never be a big seller. Besides that, I think you're wrong that there are "cutoff prices" for certain types of things. Perhaps my proof is anticdotal, but it's my personal experience. If the EDP had been $500 a couple of years ago, I probably would have bought one instead of the Repeater that I did buy. Why? Because that's as much money as I had at the time and the Repeater was available at that price. The features were cool, but I didn't really even know what I wanted in a looper at that time, I just wanted something a little more powerful then the borrowed DL4 I was using. The extra $200 for the EDP is the primary reason I picked the Repeater. I've since learned to like some of it's other features, like multiple tracks, pitch shifting, and persistant loop storage, which would differentiate it, but the simple fact that the EDP had such good support on this forum would have pushed me in that direction if the price had been the same. Now, don't get me wrong (especially my more crabby sounding post from last night). I UNDERSTAND why the EDP costs what it does. It's a specialty item, sold into a small specialty market, with low demand and high development costs. That means the price will be high. That doesn't mean I like it that way. It's just sad to me that more people don't see the point, to where it could sell enough to be a good selling item. At that point, the prices could drop and it'd be viable to update the 15 year old hardware and bring it up to date. In the mean time, it's take it or leave it 'cause it's the only thing available anything like it, and that's a bummer. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 12:54:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QGnDB14966; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:49:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:49:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:49:10 -0700 Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: nathan pease To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <374EC380-D7E5-11D7-A850-000393CE40C6@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that's a good question. I'll have to load up the 'ol patch tonight and check it out to be sure. In the meantime, I'll say I *think* I could do what you're asking. I've managed to set it up so that I don't get problems with clicks/gaps while I play grooves (fwiw I'm a bass player), and I must end up playing over the bar line (and that is to say, the record end point) sometimes - even on the initial pass. Also, thinking about the way it works it shouldn't be a problem: it writes values in a buffer up to the very last sample position and then writes the next value into the first sample position and continues writing samples over the now existing buffer. when it plays back it draws from the last sample and the first sample the later immediately after the former, same as it was recorded. Provided there's no pause or glitch on either record or playback, there should be no problem. Provided that theory is correct, it's all a matter of design after that. I'll test the theory tonight. nathan On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 01:30 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >> > > thanks for that Nathan, > is that totally seamless though? > i.e. you keep playing a sustained note while hitting the > "ends record and leaves the looper in overdub" button, > and on playback there's no gap/click in the note. > > sorry, have to ask > > > andy butler > > >> I've done this in max/msp. it could be left in overdub after setting >> the loop's end point or not depending on how the program ("patch") >> was >> set up. if I was so inclined I could set up 2 buttons, one that ends >> record and leaves the looper in overdub, and one that takes it out of >> overdub. >> >> -nathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 12:55:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QGoid15166; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:50:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1061914493!1540836 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB497@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: adrenalinn Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:10:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36BEC.8C897B60" Resent-Message-ID: <6Q53t.A.2sD.k_4S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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anybody else tried v2 of the adrenalinn yet?
the fabulously-named jay walker was quite correct in say= ing that the new chipset would fix my preset-saving problem (my mk1 stopped= being able to write new patches over old ones), and they sent me a new sti= cker for the front panel too.

it has more amp models and more effects algorithms but st= ill manages to avoid trying to be an all-in-one effects box for guitar or b= ass. it very much has it's own character, and the amp models are pretty goo= d. the clocked effects and delay are solid, no glitches (whereas my other s= o-called syncable effects, like my boss sx700 and the delays in my emu modu= les are a bit pants at staying locked up).

recommended, definitely. good long echo in it too- almost= 3 seconds, and an infinite repeat.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C36BEC.8C897B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 12:56:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QGq0p15563; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:52:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:52:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015801c36bf2$5c647150$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Anyone tried a sager 8890 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:51:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0155_01C36BFA.BE0795B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2003 16:51:58.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D141240:01C36BF2] Resent-Message-ID: <6DekRC.A.AzD.vA5S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C36BFA.BE0795B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thinking of getting one for my recording rig David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C36BFA.BE0795B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thinking of getting one for my = recording=20 rig
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C36BFA.BE0795B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 12:57:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QGrM015827; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Cranky Kim Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:53:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c36bf2$894cdf40$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030826164136.9363.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps my proof is anticdotal, but it's my personal :::experience. :::If the EDP had been $500 a couple of years ago, I probably would have :::bought one :::instead of the Repeater that I did buy A few years back - wasn't the EDP around $500. I remember seeing it for that price on Zzounds. This was when it only came with 16mb ram I think. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 13:17:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QHAE020003; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:10:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:10:07 -0700 Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 1a0a7546 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007301c36b6e$78f802c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: <24B6C9B0-D7E8-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed! Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 06:07 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > Instead of writing a long treatice on my own experience with > instruments, > tools, looping, learning, building and discarding, I will instead > offer this > much less useful observation: > > This list is filled with some of the brightest, most innovative, and > ego-driven characters I've ever experienced in an online community... > and I > love it. > > I even like to consider myself a "regular" and try to contribute when > I can, > although this post probably isn't helping my normally high signal to > noise > ratio. :) > > I just thought I'd remind us all to stay friendly... the current > threads are > some of the most interesting discussion I've seen here in months... or > even > years. > > Dig > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 13:35:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QHRSP22948; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:27:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:27:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c36bf7$d4144c20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- get a 2nd one @ $24/month Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:31:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [68.163.128.125] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:27:20 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just received a new musician's friend catalog -- look to page 44, and what do we see? EDPs for sale! "multiple payments" price: $24/mo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 14:06:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QI2DG13361; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:02:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:45:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2003 17:45:04.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7E099C0:01C36BF9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: > >1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono. This is such a grandiose oversimplification, I don't know where to start... ;-) Rather than actually try, I'll offer this: a grand piano is an eminent example of a stereophonic instrument. What makes any instument, natural or otherwise, 'monophonic' is the result of recording and rendering it using a single channel. It's the capture and reproduction, not the instrument, that bears the characteristic of being mono. And, being 80% guitarist myself;-) - I'd add that a classical guitar, like many other natural instruments, is a spatial sound source, not a single-point sound field. As ever, not helping, Nic >From: "David" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:13:48 -0400 > >OK - this gets my dander up! :-) So.... > >Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona: > >Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: > >1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono. >2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric guitarists. >(Kim? >Anyone?) >3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos, and voice >are >all mono. >4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're likely >going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field -- >OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric >electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for example. >5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the stereo >field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to stereo -- >cool. And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors. >6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have more than >one of them. >7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two monitors >and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a second >EDP than you're letting on. > >F A C T - 1: Here are stats from that big EDP "restart" order I helped >organize with Gibson at the end of 1999. > > 89% wanted 1 EDP > 9% wanted 2 EDP's > 2% wanted 3 EDP's > >F A C T - 2: From a Looping Device Market Penetration and Demand study >I did in in 1997, 46% of EDP owners at the time indicated they would buy >another EDP if priced at $700 +/- 10%. (If you want a copy of this report, >let me know). > >It seems if you need a stereo edp, here are your basic options: > > 1) Present an economic case to Gibson for them to build it > 2) Design one yourself and build it -- if you think there's sustaining >market demand for it, set up shop and make more. > 3) Buy a second unit: $649.99 from Alto Music. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553271953&category=621 > 4) Buy a used unit when they come for sale -- and they do! > >I chose option 3. For me, it was clearly the cheapest, most effective and >quickest way to get what I needed. > >Exiting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona. > >:-) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Hamburg" >To: "Looper's Delight" >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:37 AM >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP > > > > on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when I'm >the one > > > sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy >MORE >GEAR > > > for > > > the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like >signal >level > > > incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix that's >not > > > stereo. > > > > That was my basic point. > > > > The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If you've >got > > stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo looper >is > > pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully placed in >the > > stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo were >really > > critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have >stereo > > effects sends instead of mono sends. > > > > Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo throughs >-- > > means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and that >costs > > both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP that >will > > allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.) > > > > Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able to >play > > nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in all >but > > the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got to >find >a > > place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot pedal. > > > > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 14:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QI3NQ13604; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:03:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:03:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:02:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c36be4$a6cd6520$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona: > > Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: > > 1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono. > 2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric guitarists. (Kim? > Anyone?) > 3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos, and voice are > all mono. > 4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're likely > going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field -- > OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric > electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for example. > 5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the stereo > field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to stereo -- > cool. And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors. > 6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have more than > one of them. > 7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two monitors > and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a second > EDP than you're letting on. wow-so succinct-wish i'd written that-or could -- stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 14:13:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QIAoe14941; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:10:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:10:41 -0700 Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 1ac396ac aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002d01c36b75$9cac7780$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> Message-Id: <9A36FFE8-D7F0-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1h-h9C.A.VpD.qK6S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 06:58 PM, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > 4) I really wish software could be delivered without risking piracy. > I'm > sure we would have many more fine products available if piracy could be > prevented. Personally, I think Matthias and Kim would be nuts to > release a > software only EDP. The inverse of this is buying software that becomes unsupported. I spent $350 on a suite of MAS plug ins that I used a LOT. They're talking about doing OSX versions, but "no time soon" has been their line for a year. I think you'd just have to make the looper so complicated that you'd need a manual. People would come on to LD to ask questions and we'd just say, " chapter 4 has it" and they'd say, "we don't have the manual." Then Kim and I go over and break their knees. Easy! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 14:22:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QIC9J15193; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:12:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:12:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:12:03 -0700 Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 8528cee0 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in! We could have an Ike and Tina Turner type of relationship, where I'm Tina though. Love's got nothing to do with it. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 11:23 AM, William R. Walker, wrote: > Cara and Mark, I would like to offer my services as producer for your > CD > project. I'd like to produce you in a heavy handed, Phil Spectorish > way. > Endless takes, verbal abuse, holding you both virtually captive ala > Ronnie > Spector, I'd utilize all of these tactics to really draw the animosity > and > creative juices out of you both. Doesn't that sound fun? But wait, > there's > more. Once the CD is finished, and has received universal critical > praise, > and selling a boat load of copies, I'll conspire with my crack team of > lawyers to bilk you both out of the royalties, and when you protest, > I'll > just hire some Milli Vanilli types to take your places on the world > wide > tour. Whadaya think Cara, Mark? Hello? > > Your Pal > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 14:28:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QIP9C17907; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826112309.01a80548@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:23:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... In-Reply-To: <0DA7D24C-D7F1-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <001b01c36b7c$b73311c0$48b2a344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aren't they always? At 11:13 AM 2003/08/26 -0700, msottilaro wrote: >Heh, unless things have changed, I think Cara and I have very similar setups. > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 14:29:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QIE0T15766; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:14:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:14:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:13:54 -0700 Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: c410034d aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001b01c36b7c$b73311c0$48b2a344@hppav> Message-Id: <0DA7D24C-D7F1-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_VpkBB.A.L2D.oN6S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, unless things have changed, I think Cara and I have very similar setups. Mark On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 07:49 PM, David wrote: > I say make them play each other's set-ups and record the results! > And no second takes! :-) > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William R. Walker," > To: > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... > > >> Cara and Mark, I would like to offer my services as producer for your >> CD >> project. I'd like to produce you in a heavy handed, Phil Spectorish >> way. >> Endless takes, verbal abuse, holding you both virtually captive ala >> Ronnie >> Spector, I'd utilize all of these tactics to really draw the >> animosity and >> creative juices out of you both. Doesn't that sound fun? But wait, >> there's >> more. Once the CD is finished, and has received universal critical >> praise, >> and selling a boat load of copies, I'll conspire with my crack team of >> lawyers to bilk you both out of the royalties, and when you protest, >> I'll >> just hire some Milli Vanilli types to take your places on the world >> wide >> tour. Whadaya think Cara, Mark? Hello? >> >> Your Pal >> Bill >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 14:39:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QIX7Z19282; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:33:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:33:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: adrenalinn Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:32:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c36c00$5fcd8490$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB497@LON-MAIL07> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7QIX6W19254 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have and I love all the changes I got my update last week a 15 minute upgrade nice! -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: adrenalinn anybody else tried v2 of the adrenalinn yet? the fabulously-named jay walker was quite correct in saying that the new chipset would fix my preset-saving problem (my mk1 stopped being able to write new patches over old ones), and they sent me a new sticker for the front panel too. it has more amp models and more effects algorithms but still manages to avoid trying to be an all-in-one effects box for guitar or bass. it very much has it's own character, and the amp models are pretty good. the clocked effects and delay are solid, no glitches (whereas my other so-called syncable effects, like my boss sx700 and the delays in my emu modules are a bit pants at staying locked up). recommended, definitely. good long echo in it too- almost 3 seconds, and an infinite repeat. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 14:43:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QIbqn20108; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:37:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:37:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:40:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cranky Kim In-Reply-To: <20030826164136.9363.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5zG13C.A.D6E._j6S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:41 AM 8/26/2003, Greg House wrote: >Kim wrote: > > >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really > > >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it anyway. > >This sounds like a very cynical take on things. Getting things into the >"impulse >purchase", or even the "minimal thought" price ranges certainly DO increase >sales...especially for "take it or leave it" type specialty items. that's exactly what I said in my original message. I also pointed out that the people making impulse buying decisions are not poor people. People with money make impulse buys. The thread was about poor people complaining about the prices of things they can't afford, and I pointed out that their complaints fall on deaf ears because they never buy anything anyway. They don't. They do have a lot of time on their hands to complain a lot though. >I think this is the reason the Boomerang never really "took off". It was about >$200 too expensive. the boomerang has stayed in production for a long time and seems to do just fine. I see people with them all over the place. Where do you get the impression it hasn't done well? >Likewise with the EDP. The high entry price restricts it to >people who REALLY WANT it, and that means it'll never be a big seller. Every EDP that has been made was sold at about that price. The new Echoplex Plus version seems to be selling fine. Clearly the market did not have a problem with the price. Frequently it was backordered for months, indicating the price was in fact too low at times. Demand exceeded supply for most of the history of the product. What happened to you is the market priced you out of the picture. I guess your fellow loopers have more money than you, as plenty of them are willing to pay more than you've got. Sorry if that makes you feel bad, but that is a problem for you and not the Echoplex. >If the EDP had been $500 a couple of years ago, I probably would have >bought one instead of the Repeater that I did buy. Why? Because that's as >much money as I had at the time and the Repeater was available at that >price. The features were cool, but I didn't really even know what I wanted >in a looper at that time, I just wanted something a little more powerful >then the borrowed DL4 I was using. The extra $200 for the EDP is the >primary reason I picked the Repeater. Great! I hope you enjoy your Repeater. I bought two when they came out. Meanwhile, all the available Echoplexes at the time sold out at the higher price. So why should anybody have cared about your $200 deficit? Certainly there is no reason to lower the price of something if you are going to sell all of them anyway at the higher price. In fact, Electrix would have sold the same number of Repeaters if their price had been higher. I still would have bought two, and somebody else would have bought yours. They might still be here if they had done that. They essentially gave money away with each one they sold. >Now, don't get me wrong (especially my more crabby sounding post from last >night). I UNDERSTAND why the EDP costs what it does. It's a specialty >item, sold into a small specialty market, with low demand and high >development costs. That means the price will be high. No, clearly you don't understand pricing. The Echoplex is priced where it is because that is what the market is willing to pay for it. They sell fine at that price. If it cost $1 to make it, the price would still be the same because that is what people are obviously happy to pay for it. >That doesn't mean I like it that way. It's just sad to me that more people >don't see the point, to where it could sell enough to be a >good selling item. I don't know where you guys get this "poor selling" impression. It sells great, given the size of the market. I certainly wouldn't mind if 100 times more units got sold. Then I could get my car. But that requires expanding the market, not lowering the price. Better visibility and wider interest in looping would do that. Hopefully those things will come. Of course, then there will just be more people buying echoplexes at the current price, and you still wouldn't be able to afford one. Save your pennies! Or as David pointed out, $24/mo. Cut back on the Frappacinos and you're there! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 15:36:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QJR9f29599; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:27:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030826133448.00b5b2e0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:34:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Silliness In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030825120047.01a13460@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* I have lots of desires, they just don't have to do with looping gear! lollollol! C At 11:47 AM 8/25/03 -0700, you wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Goddess spake: > > -Just a little bit more on this. I actually was looking for people to >express vision rather than a sort of amorphous desire which they thought >was somehow better than something here now. Does that clarify it at >all?... Have a nice day... > >Smiles, > >C-Quinn > >Hey Goddess, have an amorphous desire, m'kay??? > >L-O-L! >Gary the squirrel > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 15:50:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QJjB400329; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:45:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:45:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c36c0b$0ca84420$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:48:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.163.246.193] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:44:56 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nic - You're right. We humans perceive sound from all around us. A small nit: A piano isn't stereo, per se. It's our hearing apparatus -- our two ears getting divergent signals -- that creates the stereo image. If we had fours ears, we'd probably be strongly inclined toward 4-channel playback. And, after smoking some pot, some of us might really feel 8-channel playback is waay groovy. :-) Listen to a sound from a single loudspeaker in a room -- and, assuming you have two ears and they are both working nicely, you're listening to that sound in stereo -- as the sound bounces around the room and hits your two ears differently. This feature helped our survival-oriented forefathers (and foremothers) more accurately orient themselves as they ran toward juicy nutritious prey, or away from nasty horrible hunters. As you correctly pinpoint, it's the process of capturing an instrument's sound and using its acoustic energy to create an electronic signal that can be recorded, amplified, modified, etc. that renders the instrument "mono." In the recording process, multiple microphones are often used capture a spatial quality -- especially for acoustic instruments like piano, drums, choirs and even loudspeakers themselves! :-) Accurately rendering a three-dimensional spatial environment is what makes the advent of 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 etc., so enticing. Even so, here the spatial information is reduced to 5, 6, or 7 + 1 sources during playback. So yes, if you wanna do some of the most nifty way-sophisticated looping of a stereo sound image projected by your acoustic guitar, you'll need two EDP's. And in the USA, you can do that for $48/month. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... > >Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: > > > >1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono. > > This is such a grandiose oversimplification, I don't know where to start... > ;-) Rather than actually try, I'll offer this: a grand piano is an eminent > example of a stereophonic instrument. > > What makes any instument, natural or otherwise, 'monophonic' is the result > of recording and rendering it using a single channel. It's the capture and > reproduction, not the instrument, that bears the characteristic of being > mono. > > And, being 80% guitarist myself;-) - I'd add that a classical guitar, like > many other natural instruments, is a spatial sound source, not a > single-point sound field. > > As ever, not helping, > Nic > > > >From: "David" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... > >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:13:48 -0400 > > > >OK - this gets my dander up! :-) So.... > > > >Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona: > > > >Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: > > > >1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono. > >2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric guitarists. > >(Kim? > >Anyone?) > >3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos, and voice > >are > >all mono. > >4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're likely > >going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field -- > >OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric > >electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for example. > >5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the stereo > >field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to stereo -- > >cool. And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors. > >6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have more than > >one of them. > >7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two monitors > >and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a second > >EDP than you're letting on. > > > >F A C T - 1: Here are stats from that big EDP "restart" order I helped > >organize with Gibson at the end of 1999. > > > > 89% wanted 1 EDP > > 9% wanted 2 EDP's > > 2% wanted 3 EDP's > > > >F A C T - 2: From a Looping Device Market Penetration and Demand study > >I did in in 1997, 46% of EDP owners at the time indicated they would buy > >another EDP if priced at $700 +/- 10%. (If you want a copy of this report, > >let me know). > > > >It seems if you need a stereo edp, here are your basic options: > > > > 1) Present an economic case to Gibson for them to build it > > 2) Design one yourself and build it -- if you think there's sustaining > >market demand for it, set up shop and make more. > > 3) Buy a second unit: $649.99 from Alto Music. > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553271953&category=621 > > 4) Buy a used unit when they come for sale -- and they do! > > > >I chose option 3. For me, it was clearly the cheapest, most effective and > >quickest way to get what I needed. > > > >Exiting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona. > > > >:-) > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mark Hamburg" > >To: "Looper's Delight" > >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:37 AM > >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP > > > > > > > on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when I'm > >the one > > > > sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy > >MORE > >GEAR > > > > for > > > > the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like > >signal > >level > > > > incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix that's > >not > > > > stereo. > > > > > > That was my basic point. > > > > > > The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If you've > >got > > > stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo looper > >is > > > pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully placed in > >the > > > stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo were > >really > > > critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have > >stereo > > > effects sends instead of mono sends. > > > > > > Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo throughs > >-- > > > means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and that > >costs > > > both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP that > >will > > > allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.) > > > > > > Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able to > >play > > > nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in all > >but > > > the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got to > >find > >a > > > place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot pedal. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 16:06:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QK3RD04044; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:03:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:03:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:03:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2003 20:03:18.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[17D58630:01C36C0D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >A small nit: A piano isn't stereo, per se. It's our hearing apparatus -- >our two ears getting divergent signals -- that creates the stereo image. >If >we had fours ears, we'd probably be strongly inclined toward 4-channel >playback. And, after smoking some pot, some of us might really feel >8-channel playback is waay groovy. :-) Chemical parameters aside - I was using the term 'stereo-' in its (I believe) original meaning of: relating to spatial characteristic, not to its more commercial meaning of two-channel. I suppose it was mightily optimistic / overenthusiastic it the time in history when two-channel rendering was considered "stereo" ;-) In other words, I wasn't even considering the two-eared (maximum) chemically motivated human observer yet - just the sound source. Nic >From: "David" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:48:39 -0400 > >Nic - > >You're right. We humans perceive sound from all around us. > >A small nit: A piano isn't stereo, per se. It's our hearing apparatus -- >our two ears getting divergent signals -- that creates the stereo image. >If >we had fours ears, we'd probably be strongly inclined toward 4-channel >playback. And, after smoking some pot, some of us might really feel >8-channel playback is waay groovy. :-) > >Listen to a sound from a single loudspeaker in a room -- and, assuming you >have two ears and they are both working nicely, you're listening to that >sound in stereo -- as the sound bounces around the room and hits your two >ears differently. > >This feature helped our survival-oriented forefathers (and foremothers) >more >accurately orient themselves as they ran toward juicy nutritious prey, or >away from nasty horrible hunters. > >As you correctly pinpoint, it's the process of capturing an instrument's >sound and using its acoustic energy to create an electronic signal that can >be recorded, amplified, modified, etc. that renders the instrument "mono." >In the recording process, multiple microphones are often used capture a >spatial quality -- especially for acoustic instruments like piano, drums, >choirs and even loudspeakers themselves! :-) Accurately rendering a >three-dimensional spatial environment is what makes the advent of 5.1, 6.1, >7.1 etc., so enticing. Even so, here the spatial information is reduced >to >5, 6, or 7 + 1 sources during playback. > >So yes, if you wanna do some of the most nifty way-sophisticated looping of >a stereo sound image projected by your acoustic guitar, you'll need two >EDP's. And in the USA, you can do that for $48/month. > >David > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nic Roozeboom" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:45 PM >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... > > > > >Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: > > > > > >1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are >mono. > > > > This is such a grandiose oversimplification, I don't know where to >start... > > ;-) Rather than actually try, I'll offer this: a grand piano is an >eminent > > example of a stereophonic instrument. > > > > What makes any instument, natural or otherwise, 'monophonic' is the >result > > of recording and rendering it using a single channel. It's the capture >and > > reproduction, not the instrument, that bears the characteristic of being > > mono. > > > > And, being 80% guitarist myself;-) - I'd add that a classical guitar, >like > > many other natural instruments, is a spatial sound source, not a > > single-point sound field. > > > > As ever, not helping, > > Nic > > > > > > >From: "David" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... > > >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:13:48 -0400 > > > > > >OK - this gets my dander up! :-) So.... > > > > > >Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona: > > > > > >Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: > > > > > >1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are >mono. > > >2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric guitarists. > > >(Kim? > > >Anyone?) > > >3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos, and >voice > > >are > > >all mono. > > >4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're >likely > > >going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field -- > > >OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric > > >electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for >example. > > >5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the stereo > > >field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to stereo >-- > > >cool. And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors. > > >6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have more >than > > >one of them. > > >7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two >monitors > > >and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a >second > > >EDP than you're letting on. > > > > > >F A C T - 1: Here are stats from that big EDP "restart" order I >helped > > >organize with Gibson at the end of 1999. > > > > > > 89% wanted 1 EDP > > > 9% wanted 2 EDP's > > > 2% wanted 3 EDP's > > > > > >F A C T - 2: From a Looping Device Market Penetration and Demand >study > > >I did in in 1997, 46% of EDP owners at the time indicated they would >buy > > >another EDP if priced at $700 +/- 10%. (If you want a copy of this >report, > > >let me know). > > > > > >It seems if you need a stereo edp, here are your basic options: > > > > > > 1) Present an economic case to Gibson for them to build it > > > 2) Design one yourself and build it -- if you think there's >sustaining > > >market demand for it, set up shop and make more. > > > 3) Buy a second unit: $649.99 from Alto Music. > > > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553271953&category=621 > > > 4) Buy a used unit when they come for sale -- and they do! > > > > > >I chose option 3. For me, it was clearly the cheapest, most effective >and > > >quickest way to get what I needed. > > > > > >Exiting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona. > > > > > >:-) > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Mark Hamburg" > > >To: "Looper's Delight" > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:37 AM > > >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP > > > > > > > > > > on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when >I'm > > >the one > > > > > sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to >buy > > >MORE > > >GEAR > > > > > for > > > > > the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like > > >signal > > >level > > > > > incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix >that's > > >not > > > > > stereo. > > > > > > > > That was my basic point. > > > > > > > > The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If >you've > > >got > > > > stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo >looper > > >is > > > > pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully >placed >in > > >the > > > > stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo >were > > >really > > > > critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have > > >stereo > > > > effects sends instead of mono sends. > > > > > > > > Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo >throughs > > >-- > > > > means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and >that > > >costs > > > > both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP >that > > >will > > > > allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.) > > > > > > > > Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able >to > > >play > > > > nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in >all > > >but > > > > the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got >to > > >find > > >a > > > > place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot >pedal. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 16:10:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QK79T04699; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:07:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:07:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826124926.03a980f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:09:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030825123335.0340b698@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7Ew0JD.A.SJB.t37S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:20 PM 8/25/2003, msottilaro wrote: >On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 12:54 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >>On the other hand are the ones Cara speaks of, those who constantly toss >>out one thing to try the next shiny object, with no clear vision of what >>they are looking for. You never become intimate enough with any one thing >>to really make it a part of your ability to express yourself. > >I think I totally understand that process, but it is not always a bad thing. > I have to admit, I went crazy and tried a LOT of stuff. >(relative to most) I don't think of it as a waste of time or money at all >though. I learned a lot. >Overall, my gear is finally becoming more and more honed and >focused. Sometimes you can't know if something is for you unless you try it. ok, that makes sense, you had to spend some time seeking after what you want. But it also seems clear that you actually had an idea of what it was you wanted, even if you didn't totally understand or see it at the time. You had direction. That's a lot different from the poor souls who are always searching but have no idea what they are looking for. >So now I have a very clear idea of what I like to do, what I'm good at and >what sounds I like to hear. More often I hear myself asking, "Does this >piece of gear serve me? Should I get rid of it?" It's been really good >and cathartic. I play more than I ever have and I've been having a great >time. And so there you go. Now that you have found what you were looking for, you can focus on really creating music with it instead of distracting yourself by trying a thousand different parameter settings on gear you eventually sell. As you say, you find this a lot more satisfying, which I totally relate to since I went through the same thing. And now I expect you'll find the quality of music you make gets better as well. I think that happens because you finally get a chance to really practice using the one setup, really learn it at a deep level, and really start being able to speak with it. It takes a while to reach that point with any instrument, and if you keep starting over you never get there. >The prospect of learning another interface isn't what I want to be doing >with my time right now. Me neither. I find I'm much happier focusing on the few things I already seem to be pretty good at and getting a lot better at them. When I was 20 I wanted to be the Jack of All Trades. It took me years to figure out why that's always followed by Master of None. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 16:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QK8KM04990; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:08:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030826141600.007b0930@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:16:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: What it means to build vs. play... In-Reply-To: <000001c36b6e$b2e3bd30$01b52b04@purgatory> References: <007301c36b6e$78f802c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey!, what about Absinthe?, -it makes the heart grow fonder, ya know... Smiles, Cara At 06:09 PM 8/25/03 -0700, you wrote: >But what about the smoke pot before you loop discussion :) > > > >:::-----Original Message----- >:::From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] >:::Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:08 PM >:::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >:::Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... >::: >:::Instead of writing a long treatice on my own experience with >instruments, >:::tools, looping, learning, building and discarding, I will instead >offer >:::this >:::much less useful observation: >::: >:::This list is filled with some of the brightest, most innovative, and >:::ego-driven characters I've ever experienced in an online community... >and >:::I >:::love it. >::: >:::I even like to consider myself a "regular" and try to contribute when >I >:::can, >:::although this post probably isn't helping my normally high signal to >:::noise >:::ratio. :) >::: >:::I just thought I'd remind us all to stay friendly... the current >threads >:::are >:::some of the most interesting discussion I've seen here in months... >or >:::even >:::years. >::: >:::Dig >::: >::: >::: >::: > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 16:15:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QKAtq05464; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:10:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:10:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030826141835.00937da0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:18:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: -Having some fun!... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BIll, if ya really wanted to get us angry at eachother, ya could tell each of us that the other one took all the royalties! lollollol! CQ At 11:23 AM 8/25/03 -0700, you wrote: > Cara and Mark, I would like to offer my services as producer for your CD >project. I'd like to produce you in a heavy handed, Phil Spectorish way. >Endless takes, verbal abuse, holding you both virtually captive ala Ronnie >Spector, I'd utilize all of these tactics to really draw the animosity and >creative juices out of you both. Doesn't that sound fun? But wait, there's >more. Once the CD is finished, and has received universal critical praise, >and selling a boat load of copies, I'll conspire with my crack team of >lawyers to bilk you both out of the royalties, and when you protest, I'll >just hire some Milli Vanilli types to take your places on the world wide >tour. Whadaya think Cara, Mark? Hello? > >Your Pal >Bill > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 16:19:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QKDd506093; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:13:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Silliness Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:12:32 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c36c0e$62ce8730$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030826133448.00b5b2e0@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:13:32 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <9bH5iD.A.BfB.z97S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have lots of amorphouses too, they're just largely impractical and smell funny. > -----Original Message----- > From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Silliness > > > *laughing* I have lots of desires, they just don't have to do with > looping gear! lollollol! > > C > > At 11:47 AM 8/25/03 -0700, you wrote: > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Goddess spake: > > > > -Just a little bit more on this. I actually was looking > for people to > >express vision rather than a sort of amorphous desire which > they thought > >was somehow better than something here now. Does that clarify it at > >all?... Have a nice day... > > > >Smiles, > > > >C-Quinn > > > >Hey Goddess, have an amorphous desire, m'kay??? > > > >L-O-L! > >Gary the squirrel > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, > and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 16:24:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QKL7W07917; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:21:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c36c0f$c17fe700$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <9A36FFE8-D7F0-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The inverse of this is buying software that becomes unsupported. > . . . Yes! Now if copyrights (or some effective anti-piracy method) worked like patents... I always liked the *idea* that filing a patent granted the inventor protection for awhile (presumably so they could profit from their efforts) in return for a public disclosure of their invention. Perhaps commercial software, if filed for government protection, should be required to be escrowed. > I think you'd just have to make the looper so complicated that you'd > need a manual. People would come on to LD to ask questions and we'd > just say, " chapter 4 has it" and they'd say, "we don't have the > manual." Then Kim and I go over and break their knees. Easy! ("Pretty nice loop ya got's there...a pity if something wouldst ta happen to it..." :) Or use a dongle that looks like a 1-space rack mount unit with 4 knobs, 8 buttons, a power switch and a display on the front... Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 16:45:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QKf0n11691; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:41:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:41:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826133439.03aae350@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:43:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: reaktor, MSP, etc In-Reply-To: <002201c36c0f$c17fe700$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> References: <9A36FFE8-D7F0-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:22 PM 8/26/2003, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > The inverse of this is buying software that becomes unsupported. > > . . . or incompatible, that's another worry. There are many people who composed music based on computers and software available in the 80's who cannot play that music anymore today. It's kind of sad really. Librarians have to fight with this as well. So many digital documents created with applications that disappeared years ago and don't run on any current computer system. It's just 1's and 0's now. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 16:49:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QKin512517; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:44:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:44:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030826204447.37085.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:41 AM 8/26/2003, Greg House wrote: > >Kim wrote: > > > >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really > > > >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it anyway. > > > >This sounds like a very cynical take on things. Getting things into the > >"impulse > >purchase", or even the "minimal thought" price ranges certainly DO increase > >sales...especially for "take it or leave it" type specialty items. > > that's exactly what I said in my original message. I also pointed out that > the people making impulse buying decisions are not poor people. People with > money make impulse buys. The thread was about poor people complaining about > the prices of things they can't afford, and I pointed out that their > complaints fall on deaf ears because they never buy anything anyway. They > don't. Yes, but there ARE people in the midline. People who have some, but not a whole lot, of disposable income. I think I fall into that category. I can occasionally come up with the cash for a $100-500 purchase, but not real often. I think there are a lot of people in this type situation. I sure know a lot around here. > They do have a lot of time on their hands to complain a lot though. Well the reasons I have so much complaining time are better left offline, but suffice it to say that I'd have a lot LESS time if things worked the way I'd like them to. > >I think this is the reason the Boomerang never really "took off". It was about > >$200 too expensive. > > the boomerang has stayed in production for a long time and seems to do just > fine. I see people with them all over the place. Where do you get the > impression it hasn't done well? I base that on the ratio of people I hear talking about how cool the thing is and how many actually have one. I hear lots of people raving on about how cool the thing would be, how they'd love to have it, etc, but in my lifetime, I've known exactly two people that have one. One of those I met through this list. I've heard a number of people say they'd buy one if it didn't cost so much (for what it does). I've said that exact thing myself. If it could be used as a general purpose delay in addition to looping, or if it sold for $250 or less, I'd have had one years ago. As it is, the price alone relegates it to specialty market status. > >Likewise with the EDP. The high entry price restricts it to > >people who REALLY WANT it, and that means it'll never be a big seller. > > Every EDP that has been made was sold at about that price. The new Echoplex > Plus version seems to be selling fine. Clearly the market did not have a > problem with the price. But how many more could have been made and sold if the price was lower? I can't tell you how many times I've talked to people about loopers and stuff, described the EDP to 'em and watched their face fall when they hear the price. It's like those guys Mark talked to recently. > What happened to you is the market priced you out of the picture. I guess > your fellow loopers have more money than you, as plenty of them are willing > to pay more than you've got. Sorry if that makes you feel bad, but that is > a problem for you and not the Echoplex. I suppose it is. But really, I'd love to see the EDP have more broad market appeal, and I don't think it ever can at the price it sells at. > >If the EDP had been $500 a couple of years ago, I probably would have > >bought one instead of the Repeater that I did buy. Why? Because that's as > >much money as I had at the time and the Repeater was available at that > >price. The features were cool, but I didn't really even know what I wanted > >in a looper at that time, I just wanted something a little more powerful > >then the borrowed DL4 I was using. The extra $200 for the EDP is the > >primary reason I picked the Repeater. > > Great! I hope you enjoy your Repeater. I bought two when they came out. > Meanwhile, all the available Echoplexes at the time sold out at the higher > price. So why should anybody have cared about your $200 deficit? Certainly > there is no reason to lower the price of something if you are going to sell > all of them anyway at the higher price. There were plenty of other factors involved with Electrix's demise then the price of the repeater. If they'd sold 'em at twice the price, they still would have gone under because of their other problems. > In fact, Electrix would have sold the same number of Repeaters if their > price had been higher. Probably, given that their marketing was so incredibly poor. They designed a box for DJs, only half marketed it there, and then found that DJs didn't want the box. Other musicians wanted the box, but most never knew it existed. > I still would have bought two, and somebody else > would have bought yours. They might still be here if they had done that. > They essentially gave money away with each one they sold. They scrapped their entire product line in favor of this one nitch market product. It seems poor planning to toss out the bread and butter before your flagship product is doing really well, much less before it was even released. > No, clearly you don't understand pricing. The Echoplex is priced where it > is because that is what the market is willing to pay for it. I do understand pricing. It's a balancing act. You price it to maximize profits, without supressing sales. Gibson feels it'll sell enough volume at the current price point. The question is whether it'd sell a lot more units at a lower price (making more net income due to the volume). Clearly Gibson doesn't believe it will. (aside: I wouldn't mind seeing that market survey though, David). My personal hope would be that it would sell more if the price was lower. > They sell fine > at that price. If it cost $1 to make it, the price would still be the same > because that is what people are obviously happy to pay for it. No, I never said it had anything to do with how much it cost to make it. My observation from talking to people is that a lot of them really like the idea of an advanced looper until they hear the price. At that point they say something like "I think I can probably be happy enough with my DL4" or something like that. > >That doesn't mean I like it that way. It's just sad to me that more people > >don't see the point, to where it could sell enough to be a > >good selling item. > > I don't know where you guys get this "poor selling" impression. It sells > great, given the size of the market. I certainly wouldn't mind if 100 times > more units got sold. Then I could get my car. But that requires expanding > the market, not lowering the price. Better visibility and wider interest in > looping would do that. Hopefully those things will come. One mechanism for expanding your market, if there's public interest, is in pricing a product where your customers can afford it. Having the price too high supresses sales even if there's interest. As you say, you set it where the market will bear. It's just my opinion that it's a bit high for the market right now. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 16:54:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QKjCm12682; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:45:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:45:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4BC82D.5020009@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:50:53 -0700 From: brian tester Reply-To: btester@mindspring.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cranky Kim References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to ley you know Kim, I was thinking of buying an EDP until I realized that you are involved with it. Sorry, that's just the way it goes. I had enough money, too. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:06:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QKxI016812; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:59:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Cranky Kim Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:59:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c36c14$e666d330$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <3F4BC82D.5020009@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haha - So then you would have to leave the e-mail list as well right? :) :::-----Original Message----- :::From: brian tester [mailto:btester@mindspring.com] :::Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:51 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Cranky Kim ::: :::Just to ley you know Kim, I was thinking of buying an EDP until I :::realized that you are involved with it. Sorry, that's just the way it :::goes. I had enough money, too. ;) ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:13:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLAde18502; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:10:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:10:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <18.346dc52f.2c7d26bc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:10:20 EDT Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18.346dc52f.2c7d26bc_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: <-QMPAD.A.7gE.Pz8S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_18.346dc52f.2c7d26bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/03 4:08:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > When I was 20 I > wanted to be the Jack of All Trades. It took me years to figure out why > that's always followed by Master of None. > buy that man a single malt! --part1_18.346dc52f.2c7d26bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/26/0= 3 4:08:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


When I was 20 I
wanted to be the Jack of All Trades. It took me years to figure out why
that's always followed by Master of None.


buy that man a single malt! --part1_18.346dc52f.2c7d26bc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:17:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLCkQ18871; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <9A36FFE8-D7F0-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826133439.03aae350@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:12:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2003 21:12:40.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8359160:01C36C16] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > or incompatible, that's another worry. There are many people who composed > music based on computers and software available in the 80's who cannot play > that music anymore today. It's kind of sad really. > I'm interested - could you give examples? There are emulators for practically everything these days, and I wasn't aware that anything that used to be made had functionalities that we don't have any more. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: RE: reaktor, MSP, etc > At 01:22 PM 8/26/2003, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > > The inverse of this is buying software that becomes unsupported. > > > . . . > > or incompatible, that's another worry. There are many people who composed > music based on computers and software available in the 80's who cannot play > that music anymore today. It's kind of sad really. > > Librarians have to fight with this as well. So many digital documents > created with applications that disappeared years ago and don't run on any > current computer system. It's just 1's and 0's now. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:28:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLNeD20718; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:23:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:23:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <9A36FFE8-D7F0-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826133439.03aae350@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:23:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > or incompatible, that's another worry. There are many people who composed >> music based on computers and software available in the 80's who cannot >play >> that music anymore today. It's kind of sad really. >> > >I'm interested - could you give examples? There are emulators for >practically everything these days, and I wasn't aware that anything that >used to be made had functionalities that we don't have any more. > well, for example, I have a few hundred custom DX-7 patches I programmed in Opcode's Galaxy back in the late 80's. Opcode died, and the Galaxy file format died with them. AFAIK, none of the modern DX emulators, like FM-7, etc, will import Galaxy patches. I suppose I could dig an old mac out of the closet, hook it up to my DX, export the patches a bank at a time into the DX, export them as sysex back to the computer., load them into DX, yeah, I'll do that the next time I have a free week... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:43:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLdKm23958; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:39:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826143916.033ce828@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:41:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cranky Kim In-Reply-To: <3F4BC82D.5020009@mindspring.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:50 PM 8/26/2003, brian tester wrote: >Just to ley you know Kim, I was thinking of buying an EDP until I realized >that you are involved with it. Sorry, that's just the way it goes. I had >enough money, too. ;) ha ha! sorry if my provocative questions bother you. After so many years running this list it's the only way to keep it interesting. Feel free to unsubscribe: http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:46:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLiSU24907; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:44:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826134607.0381c6b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:45:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... In-Reply-To: References: <001801c36b61$04926a90$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:03 PM 8/25/2003, msottilaro wrote: >I think another point that Andre's analogy misses is that we're not really >building instruments from scratch like one would a violin when we create a >looper (or other processing chain) in Reaktor. Now, I don't know the >program at all, but I've fooled around with Max, so I get the basic >idea. It's much more akin to someone going out and buying a carbon >graphite neck, basswood body, Kahler bridge and Spertzel tuners. If you're a beginner with it and just stringing together big modules created by somebody else, then yes. But if you get into in you'll be working a much deeper level. >When I was shopping for a Stratocaster, I did not like the standard $400 >model that Fender was selling at the time, so I got a G&L Skyhawk >instead. The tuners weren't as stable as I thought they could be so I put >locking Spertzels on it. The pickup selector switch was in the wrong >place for me, so I put a Starr switch in so I could get more combinations >and not have a toggle switch in my hands way. Did I build an >instrument? Not even close. Wouldn't try to. >However, I did create a custom instrument for my specific needs, just as >one could create a custom processor in Reakor. hmm, I've played guitar since I was 7 and never had the slightest desire to do anything like this. I'm even an engineer with a garage filled with tools and reasonable mechanical aptitude. I worked at Gibson. Yet when it comes to guitar I would much rather spend my limited time with it playing guitar. When I wanted something special I just went to somebody else who knew what they were doing and had them make it. They did a much better job building it than I would have. They had all sorts of better ideas than I did, and I let them run with it. I just play it. >I think it's better to think of Reaktor like one would think of a modular >synth, not like buildling a Stratocaster from scratch. I compare it to cars. There are some people who build their cars entirely from scratch. They become very into it and spend a lot of money and time in their garage. They don't spend a lot of time driving their car, mostly because it is very rare that it is actually working. Once in a while they drive it off the trailer to their spot at the hot rod show and hope it doesn't break down before it gets there. They rev the engine very impressively. Then there are the people who customize and restore cars. They also spend a lot of time in their garage tinkering around. They obsess over details in engine performance, or exactly which sort of dome light goes with which year of car or whatever. Since they actually started with something working, their cars are somewhat more likely to be running but they still don't drive them much. A few day trips here and there. When they are not in the garage fiddling with it, they are reading about fiddling with it, or talking to somebody else about fiddling with it. For most of them the fiddling is more important than the driving. And then there is all the rest of us who buy a car for driving, and that's what we want to do with it. The less time spent dealing with the car other than driving somewhere, the better. We are happy that somebody else figured out how to build it, and we choose one that fits our needs. Maybe we had a different stereo installed. This group probably represents 99.9% of car owners. Nobody ever thinks that hot rod building is the future of car ownership. It's a fun hobby for some people, and you may find it enjoyable for yourself. But the idea that everybody is going to want to do that is silly. Most people just want to drive. Same for musical instruments. The vast majority of people who get musical instruments just wish to play them. The less time fiddling the better. There is a tiny fraction of people who like to build their own instruments. It's a fun hobby and they spend most of their time doing that instead of actually playing. That's great for them. But certainly isn't the wave of the future now anymore than it is with cars, or it was with breadboards and radio shack. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:47:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLiC824846; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:29:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: f2d98395 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008201c36bb0$c298dd40$0207a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: <4F74F48E-D80C-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0bps2C.A.EEG.sS9S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really >>> matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it >>> anyway. Kim, this totally negates "bottom feeders" musicians who wait for old or unpopular technologies and buy them cheap and make great music with them. Before they came back in vogue, DX7s could be had really cheap compared to their original price of $2000. I think you could still get them for about $400 at this point. More loop orientated, I bought my Digitech PDS8000 for $1000 used when new more fancy delays were being introduced. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:47:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLipJ25130; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:44:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:44:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.212.18.243] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:44:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2003 21:44:44.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[43817420:01C36C1B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody gone to look for CFCs (like, within the last 3 or 4 months) for Repeater lately? Anybody have any luck finding any 128 or 256 ones that work well with Repeater? Just got a used one from Cara, and am looking to expand my looping times. Thanks, the other David _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:56:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLp1d27014; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4BD799.5070007@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:56:41 -0700 From: brian tester Reply-To: btester@mindspring.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cranky Kim References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826143916.033ce828@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826143916.033ce828@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:56:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLqmu27284; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:52:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 71e713f3 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002201c36c0b$0ca84420$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <9B9B27FA-D80F-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello people in the past. In the future, we all wear silver suits and our meals all come in pill form. Our instruments have stereo outputs that give a rich lush sound with all sorts of cool movement. Some devices can give you as many as 5 different speakers for what we call "Surround Sound." Now I know this must be very frightening for you, but remember there was a time when people were also afraid of taking animal skins and stretching them across drums. I have to go now, there's an alien in my spaceship and he's videotaping me. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 12:48 PM, David wrote: > Nic - > > You're right. We humans perceive sound from all around us. > > A small nit: A piano isn't stereo, per se. It's our hearing apparatus > -- > our two ears getting divergent signals -- that creates the stereo > image. If > we had fours ears, we'd probably be strongly inclined toward 4-channel > playback. And, after smoking some pot, some of us might really feel > 8-channel playback is waay groovy. :-) > > Listen to a sound from a single loudspeaker in a room -- and, assuming > you > have two ears and they are both working nicely, you're listening to > that > sound in stereo -- as the sound bounces around the room and hits your > two > ears differently. > > This feature helped our survival-oriented forefathers (and > foremothers) more > accurately orient themselves as they ran toward juicy nutritious prey, > or > away from nasty horrible hunters. > > As you correctly pinpoint, it's the process of capturing an > instrument's > sound and using its acoustic energy to create an electronic signal > that can > be recorded, amplified, modified, etc. that renders the instrument > "mono." > In the recording process, multiple microphones are often used capture a > spatial quality -- especially for acoustic instruments like piano, > drums, > choirs and even loudspeakers themselves! :-) Accurately rendering a > three-dimensional spatial environment is what makes the advent of 5.1, > 6.1, > 7.1 etc., so enticing. Even so, here the spatial information is > reduced to > 5, 6, or 7 + 1 sources during playback. > > So yes, if you wanna do some of the most nifty way-sophisticated > looping of > a stereo sound image projected by your acoustic guitar, you'll need two > EDP's. And in the USA, you can do that for $48/month. > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nic Roozeboom" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... > > >>> Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: >>> >>> 1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are > mono. >> >> This is such a grandiose oversimplification, I don't know where to > start... >> ;-) Rather than actually try, I'll offer this: a grand piano is an >> eminent >> example of a stereophonic instrument. >> >> What makes any instument, natural or otherwise, 'monophonic' is the >> result >> of recording and rendering it using a single channel. It's the >> capture and >> reproduction, not the instrument, that bears the characteristic of >> being >> mono. >> >> And, being 80% guitarist myself;-) - I'd add that a classical guitar, >> like >> many other natural instruments, is a spatial sound source, not a >> single-point sound field. >> >> As ever, not helping, >> Nic >> >> >>> From: "David" >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... >>> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:13:48 -0400 >>> >>> OK - this gets my dander up! :-) So.... >>> >>> Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona: >>> >>> Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: >>> >>> 1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are > mono. >>> 2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric >>> guitarists. >>> (Kim? >>> Anyone?) >>> 3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos, and >>> voice >>> are >>> all mono. >>> 4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're >>> likely >>> going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field >>> -- >>> OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric >>> electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for >>> example. >>> 5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the >>> stereo >>> field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to >>> stereo -- >>> cool. And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors. >>> 6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have >>> more > than >>> one of them. >>> 7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two >>> monitors >>> and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a > second >>> EDP than you're letting on. >>> >>> F A C T - 1: Here are stats from that big EDP "restart" order I > helped >>> organize with Gibson at the end of 1999. >>> >>> 89% wanted 1 EDP >>> 9% wanted 2 EDP's >>> 2% wanted 3 EDP's >>> >>> F A C T - 2: From a Looping Device Market Penetration and Demand > study >>> I did in in 1997, 46% of EDP owners at the time indicated they would >>> buy >>> another EDP if priced at $700 +/- 10%. (If you want a copy of this > report, >>> let me know). >>> >>> It seems if you need a stereo edp, here are your basic options: >>> >>> 1) Present an economic case to Gibson for them to build it >>> 2) Design one yourself and build it -- if you think there's > sustaining >>> market demand for it, set up shop and make more. >>> 3) Buy a second unit: $649.99 from Alto Music. >>> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ >> eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553271953&category=621 >>> 4) Buy a used unit when they come for sale -- and they do! >>> >>> I chose option 3. For me, it was clearly the cheapest, most >>> effective > and >>> quickest way to get what I needed. >>> >>> Exiting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark Hamburg" >>> To: "Looper's Delight" >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: Stereo EDP >>> >>> >>>> on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when > I'm >>> the one >>>>> sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy >>> MORE >>> GEAR >>>>> for >>>>> the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like >>> signal >>> level >>>>> incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix >>>>> that's >>> not >>>>> stereo. >>>> >>>> That was my basic point. >>>> >>>> The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If > you've >>> got >>>> stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo > looper >>> is >>>> pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully >>>> placed > in >>> the >>>> stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo >>>> were >>> really >>>> critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have >>> stereo >>>> effects sends instead of mono sends. >>>> >>>> Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo >>>> throughs >>> -- >>>> means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and >>>> that >>> costs >>>> both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP >>>> that >>> will >>>> allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.) >>>> >>>> Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able > to >>> play >>>> nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in >>>> all >>> but >>>> the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got >>>> to >>> find >>> a >>>> place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot >>>> pedal. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 17:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QLuKu27984; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:56:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:56:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030826215614.59322.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826143916.033ce828@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-749140077-1061934974=:57431" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-749140077-1061934974=:57431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i hope you're kidding... kim can call me a sorry motherfucker to my face and it wouldn't change my opinion of the EDP or the work he (among others) has put into it. it's a badass piece of gear and i wouldn't let anybody's personality get in the way of your acquiring one. your loss... -jim --0-749140077-1061934974=:57431 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

i hope you're kidding...

kim can call me a sorry motherfucker to my face and it wouldn't change my opinion of the EDP or the work he (among others) has put into it.  it's a badass piece of gear and i wouldn't let anybody's personality get in the way of your acquiring one.  your loss...

-jim

--0-749140077-1061934974=:57431-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 18:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QMCAl31713; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:12:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:12:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c36c1f$10c7a050$ba5efea9@fdb> From: "David Brown" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826143916.033ce828@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:11:56 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Cranky Kim > At 01:50 PM 8/26/2003, brian tester wrote: > >Just to ley you know Kim, I was thinking of buying an EDP until I realized > >that you are involved with it. Sorry, that's just the way it goes. I had > >enough money, too. ;) > > ha ha! sorry if my provocative questions bother you. After so many years > running this list it's the only way to keep it interesting. Feel free to > unsubscribe: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 18:43:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QMc6c03923; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.e28e52d.2c7d3b44@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:37:56 EDT Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c2.e28e52d.2c7d3b44_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <9Lam8C.A.K9.OF-S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c2.e28e52d.2c7d3b44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/03 2:13:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: > >or incompatible, that's another worry. There are many people who composed > >music based on computers and software available in the 80's who cannot > play > >that music anymore today. It's kind of sad really. > > > > I'm interested - could you give examples? There are emulators for > practically everything these days, and I wasn't aware that anything that > used to be made had functionalities that we don't have any more. > > bIz > I and my three Atari St's, four Apple II's, several @#!??&*%'s and my creamware DAW , plus my 30 year old synths and analog/digital sequencers are doing just fine... Don't need no emulators, virtual synths, or anyone's permission to do what I do. The more the merrier... Tim --part1_1c2.e28e52d.2c7d3b44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/26/03 2:13:07 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:

>or incompatible, that's ano= ther worry. There are many people who composed
>music based on computers and software available in the 80's who cannot play
>that music anymore today. It's kind of sad really.
>

I'm interested - could you give examples? There are emulators for
practically everything these days, and I wasn't aware that anything that
used to be made had functionalities that we don't have any more.

bIz


I and my three Atari St's, four Apple II's, several @#!??&*%'s and my cr= eamware DAW , plus my 30 year old synths and analog/digital sequencers are d= oing just fine...
Don't need no emulators, virtual synths, or anyone's permission to do what I= do.
The more the merrier...

Tim
 --part1_1c2.e28e52d.2c7d3b44_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 18:49:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QMkBd05528; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:46:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030826224601.15084.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_NGQYD.A.PWB.xM-S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Durian wrote: > Anybody gone to look for CFCs (like, within the last 3 or 4 months) for > Repeater lately? Anybody have any luck finding any 128 or 256 ones that work > well with Repeater? I've been casually looking, but nobody can identify working ones any more. I bought a SimpleTech 256MB (which Electrix used to recommend) from Sams about a month ago, and the Repeater would format it, but it wouldn't record or play using it. Sams was kind enough to let me return the card, most places aren't. At this point, you could spend a LOT of money buying cards in hopes they have a controller fast enough for the Repeater to use, but it's apparently a crap shoot whether you get one that'll work or not. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 19:06:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QN2R010957; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.163.129.139] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:02:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2003 23:02:20.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AA0D1D0:01C36C26] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From a little while back: ----- Original Message ----- From: erika li To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: Repeater CFC Works! To those needing additional compact flash cards, CFC, for the electrix repeater, I have found one that works and correctly formats. SanDisk 256MB (CompactFlash version). I purchased it at Costco for $64, a great price for 256MB. good looping! erika >From: Greg House >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) > >--- David Durian wrote: > > Anybody gone to look for CFCs (like, within the last 3 or 4 months) for > > Repeater lately? Anybody have any luck finding any 128 or 256 ones that >work > > well with Repeater? > >I've been casually looking, but nobody can identify working ones any more. >I >bought a SimpleTech 256MB (which Electrix used to recommend) from Sams >about a >month ago, and the Repeater would format it, but it wouldn't record or play >using >it. Sams was kind enough to let me return the card, most places aren't. > >At this point, you could spend a LOT of money buying cards in hopes they >have a >controller fast enough for the Repeater to use, but it's apparently a crap >shoot >whether you get one that'll work or not. > >Greg > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 19:17:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QNG4I12874; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c36c27$dd7284a0$b364f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308262147.h7QLlSh26185@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Dissing Kim Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:14:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <05RdL.A.AJD.zo-S_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this got posted about Kim's messages about the EDP and pricing: "Just to ley you know Kim, I was thinking of buying an EDP until I realized that you are involved with it. Sorry, that's just the way it goes. I had enough money, too. ;)" Quite frankly, Kim's latest post really pissed me off, too. Coming from a brilliant guy who I have personally witnessed being exceedingly generous several times, his post seems to me to be both elitist and insensitive to the many, many, many musicians who are interested in looping and do not have the income that many hi tech employees have. I'm one of those musicians There is, however, no call for this kind of post in my opinion on this list. It is a personal attack and as such, has no place on this list. We all are just one person here at Loopers Delight...........................our ideas have far more resonance than our individual personalities. I share your anger about this recent post, but please, let's keep it concious in here, okay? It's a community and forum for ideas that is based implicitly on mutual respect. It takes work to keep that happening even when we get angry. Yours sincerely, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 19:53:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QNp1F18398; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <9A36FFE8-D7F0-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826133439.03aae350@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:50:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2003 23:50:54.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[E366ECC0:01C36C2C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I'm interested - could you give examples? There are emulators for > >practically everything these days, and I wasn't aware that anything that > >used to be made had functionalities that we don't have any more. > > > well, for example, I have a few hundred custom DX-7 patches I > programmed in Opcode's Galaxy back in the late 80's. Opcode died, and > the Galaxy file format died with them. AFAIK, none of the modern DX > emulators, like FM-7, etc, will import Galaxy patches. I suppose I > could dig an old mac out of the closet, hook it up to my DX, export > the patches a bank at a time into the DX, export them as sysex back > to the computer., load them into DX, yeah, I'll do that the next time > I have a free week... > Sure, that would take some time, but arguably, they aren't really gone - you uninstalled galaxy. In fact, there are probably quite few people still using it. It's not like the hardware died, and there's no replacement. It's a pity you didn't save them as sysex messages when you stopped using that mac, though. I keep hearing rumours Opcode's revival, but I'm not holding my breath... bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc > > > or incompatible, that's another worry. There are many people who composed > >> music based on computers and software available in the 80's who cannot > >play > >> that music anymore today. It's kind of sad really. > >> > > > >I'm interested - could you give examples? There are emulators for > >practically everything these days, and I wasn't aware that anything that > >used to be made had functionalities that we don't have any more. > > > well, for example, I have a few hundred custom DX-7 patches I > programmed in Opcode's Galaxy back in the late 80's. Opcode died, and > the Galaxy file format died with them. AFAIK, none of the modern DX > emulators, like FM-7, etc, will import Galaxy patches. I suppose I > could dig an old mac out of the closet, hook it up to my DX, export > the patches a bank at a time into the DX, export them as sysex back > to the computer., load them into DX, yeah, I'll do that the next time > I have a free week... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 20:02:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7QNwbm19567; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:58:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:58:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826144716.023d3c70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:00:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cranky Kim In-Reply-To: <20030826204447.37085.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:44 PM 8/26/2003, Greg House wrote: >--- Kim Flint wrote: > > At 09:41 AM 8/26/2003, Greg House wrote: > > >Kim wrote: > > > > >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really > > > > >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it > anyway. > > > > > >This sounds like a very cynical take on things. Getting things into the > > >"impulse > > >purchase", or even the "minimal thought" price ranges certainly DO > increase > > >sales...especially for "take it or leave it" type specialty items. > > > > that's exactly what I said in my original message. I also pointed out that > > the people making impulse buying decisions are not poor people. People > with > > money make impulse buys. The thread was about poor people complaining > about > > the prices of things they can't afford, and I pointed out that their > > complaints fall on deaf ears because they never buy anything anyway. They > > don't. > >Yes, but there ARE people in the midline. People who have some, but not a >whole >lot, of disposable income. I think I fall into that category. I can >occasionally >come up with the cash for a $100-500 purchase, but not real often. I think >there >are a lot of people in this type situation. I sure know a lot around here. Sure, and those the people who drive Hondas and not BMW's. They play DL-4's and not stereo echoplexes. That's life. If you want a high performance thing, it will cost you more money. If you don't have the money you don't get it and you settle for something lesser. That doesn't mean there is no market for high performance products at higher prices. It just means the market doesn't include you. All I'm trying to point out to you here is the primary customers for music gear are mostly people who have money. It's a different set of people from those who consider themselves musicians. $1000 may be expensive to you, but there really are a lot of people in the world for whom it isn't. Those are the people who buy music gear. That is why $6000 Les Pauls sell well also. Just because something is beyond your budget doesn't mean it doesn't sell well. The Echoplex price might be more than you can afford, yet at that price they sold every single one they were able to make. That makes it really difficult to understand how the price was too high. It's an easier argument to say it was too low. > > >I think this is the reason the Boomerang never really "took off". It > was about > > >$200 too expensive. > > > > the boomerang has stayed in production for a long time and seems to do > just > > fine. I see people with them all over the place. Where do you get the > > impression it hasn't done well? > >I base that on the ratio of people I hear talking about how cool the thing >is and >how many actually have one. That's sort of anecdotal. Look at it this way. They put the product out in the mid-90's. The sales have been good enough to support the company to this day, as it is their only product. It's available in all the major catalogs, it's in stores, and advertised in guitar magazines. In the musical instrument industry, that's pretty successful. > As it is, the price alone relegates it to specialty market >status. They only cost about $450! That's near the low end of music gear pricing. It is a specialty product though, as any dedicated looping device would be. If anything, that justifies higher prices, not lower. Another way to look at these items is by their competition. The Boomerang, as a competitor, has a lot fewer features than the Echoplex. The Boomerang costs $450, the Echoplex costs $800, somewhat less than 2x higher. That makes sense. If you want more features you pay more, if you don't want them maybe the Boomerang is a better choice and you can save $350. The DL4 costs $250. It has less looping features than the Boomerang, and the construction isn't as rugged. If the extra features of the Boomerang are important to you, the additional $200 may be worth it. If not, well get a DL4. > > >Likewise with the EDP. The high entry price restricts it to > > >people who REALLY WANT it, and that means it'll never be a big seller. > > > > Every EDP that has been made was sold at about that price. The new > Echoplex > > Plus version seems to be selling fine. Clearly the market did not have a > > problem with the price. > >But how many more could have been made and sold if the price was lower? Which part of "it sold out" isn't clear? They made all the ones they had capacity to make. They all got sold. 100% capacity used, 100% sold. Not many businesses can say that. Based on that they've now increased the capacity to build more. Those new units are now selling fine, even though the price is higher and they haven't really started their marketing campaign yet. Once they get the marketing in gear it will probably sell more units, by increasing awareness of it. >I can't >tell you how many times I've talked to people about loopers and stuff, >described >the EDP to 'em and watched their face fall when they hear the price. It's like >those guys Mark talked to recently. Yes, I felt the same way when I saw how much a 911 GT2 cost. But seriously, if $800 is a lot to them, then they aren't a customer for a high end looper. > > What happened to you is the market priced you out of the picture. I guess > > your fellow loopers have more money than you, as plenty of them are > willing > > to pay more than you've got. Sorry if that makes you feel bad, but that is > > a problem for you and not the Echoplex. > >I suppose it is. But really, I'd love to see the EDP have more broad market >appeal, and I don't think it ever can at the price it sells at. I guess I'm baffled how you reach that conclusion. Look at the prices of other gear. Mid-range synths and samplers cost much more than the Echoplex. High end gear in other categories costs WAY more. So here you have what many people consider a high-end looper in the echoplex. The best there is in many people's eyes, and it costs $800. Alright, fine, you have to get two for stereo, but that also gives you some nice multi-loop functions. That's $1600 for a high-end stereo looper. Let's compare to street prices of other top gear: Eventide Eclipse: $2000 Eventide Orville: $5000 Eventide DSP7000: $3400 Korg Triton 88key: $3400 Korg Triton rack: $1450 Korg D16XD: $2000 Yamaha dig piano: $3500 Yamaha 9000: $3200 Yamaha Motif 88key: $2800 Yamaha AW2816: $1800 Yamaha RS7000: $1400 TC finalizer: $2400 TC fireworx: $1760 TC G-Force: $1440 TC M3000: $1500 Gibson Les Paul Custom: $3200 Access Virus C $1500 Nord Modular: $1450 Roland VS2480 $3800 roland V-Synth $2300 roland Fantom s88: $2900 roland xv-5080 $2000 roland mc-909: $1500 Kurzweil K2661: $2400 Lexicon PCM-81: $2000 Lexicon MPXG2: $1450 You see? It sits right in there pretty well. None of that stuff is affordable for you, yet it all sells well. > > In fact, Electrix would have sold the same number of Repeaters if their > > price had been higher. > >Probably, given that their marketing was so incredibly poor. They designed >a box >for DJs, only half marketed it there, and then found that DJs didn't want the >box. Other musicians wanted the box, but most never knew it existed. It was advertised in Guitar player and keyboard for about a year before it came out, and reviewed in all those magazines. I think everybody had a chance to learn about it. Just not that many were interested in getting a looper. The market size is finite, yet growing slowly. > > I still would have bought two, and somebody else > > would have bought yours. They might still be here if they had done that. > > They essentially gave money away with each one they sold. > >They scrapped their entire product line in favor of this one nitch market >product. It seems poor planning to toss out the bread and butter before your >flagship product is doing really well, much less before it was even released. it sounded like desperation to me. Liquidate everything in a last ditch effort to get cash. One major mistake they made, related to another thread, is not realizing just how hard it is to develop a functional looper. They had no idea what they were getting into and didn't devote enough resources or time to it. So it was a year late, and they ran out of money. > My >observation from talking to people is that a lot of them really like the >idea of >an advanced looper until they hear the price. At that point they say something >like "I think I can probably be happy enough with my DL4" or something >like that. if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be worth it to them. > > >That doesn't mean I like it that way. It's just sad to me that more > people > > >don't see the point, to where it could sell enough to be a > > >good selling item. > > > > I don't know where you guys get this "poor selling" impression. It sells > > great, given the size of the market. I certainly wouldn't mind if 100 > times > > more units got sold. Then I could get my car. But that requires expanding > > the market, not lowering the price. Better visibility and wider > interest in > > looping would do that. Hopefully those things will come. > >One mechanism for expanding your market, if there's public interest, is in >pricing a product where your customers can afford it. Well, that's what I've been trying to point out. It is priced where the customers can afford it. That's why they keep selling all of them. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 20:11:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R09NN22358; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:09:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:09:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:09:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Dissing Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00ae01c36c27$dd7284a0$b364f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't read it that way at all. I read it as common sense, if fairly brusque, comments from a businessman. But that's just my opinion! I only have my 10+ years in the computer hardware business as a guide, but it seems that Kim's opinions are pretty similar to any other business owner. On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 04:14 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > Quite frankly, Kim's latest post really pissed me off, too. Coming > from a > brilliant guy who I have personally witnessed being > exceedingly generous several times, his post seems to me to be both > elitist and insensitive to the many, many, many musicians > who are interested in looping and do not have the income that many hi > tech > employees have. I'm one of those musicians > > > Yours sincerely, Rick Walker > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 20:39:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R0auR25880; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:36:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:36:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826144716.023d3c70@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Hello, my name is biz and I am gearaholic. It all started with a small pink footpedal my friend gave me for my birthday... Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:36:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 00:36:49.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DA69300:01C36C33] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can't we all get along guys? - Considering how much 'keeper' music is in my collection from more than a decade ago, no one can argue that the lack of technology is keeping them back. You just need to keep your inner gear-whore in check, and compromise your direction to suite your tools. - It's not only to be expected that if an engineer makes something cool, they get to charge what the market will bear - it's only fair. This isn't a charity, though after seeing how much time and effort that the Aurisis guys have put into the looping phenomenon, we might forget this. They are doing this to please themselves - not others - just like we make music primarilty to please ourselves, and not others. Otherwise, we'ld be doing something other than art; charity work comes to mind. - Stuff costs what it costs. There are people who's entire careers are spent figuring out how much musical gear should sell for. I'm sure that they all do their homework regarding price point versus volume. Idle mailing list chatter isn't going to do a better job. - Every year, the gear coming out is doing way more for way less cash - exponentially more, and driving the old stuff down? Do you remember when owning an eventide harmonizer was an object in same realm as a 911 GT2? You can buy a used one for less than the price of a new EDP. Do you remember when the idea of recording audio into a computer was a fantastical idea? We are on the verge of reliable, low latency, live audio DSP using consumer laptops. Some people on this list surely remember when a 6 second delay box cost several thousand dollars... - There's a thriving used gear market, where I do virtually all my shopping. Finally, - Kim is, by far and away, the crankiest member of this list, and so there no point anyone else here trying to compete for the title. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Cranky Kim > At 01:44 PM 8/26/2003, Greg House wrote: > >--- Kim Flint wrote: > > > At 09:41 AM 8/26/2003, Greg House wrote: > > > >Kim wrote: > > > > > >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really > > > > > >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it > > anyway. > > > > > > > >This sounds like a very cynical take on things. Getting things into the > > > >"impulse > > > >purchase", or even the "minimal thought" price ranges certainly DO > > increase > > > >sales...especially for "take it or leave it" type specialty items. > > > > > > that's exactly what I said in my original message. I also pointed out that > > > the people making impulse buying decisions are not poor people. People > > with > > > money make impulse buys. The thread was about poor people complaining > > about > > > the prices of things they can't afford, and I pointed out that their > > > complaints fall on deaf ears because they never buy anything anyway. They > > > don't. > > > >Yes, but there ARE people in the midline. People who have some, but not a > >whole > >lot, of disposable income. I think I fall into that category. I can > >occasionally > >come up with the cash for a $100-500 purchase, but not real often. I think > >there > >are a lot of people in this type situation. I sure know a lot around here. > > Sure, and those the people who drive Hondas and not BMW's. They play DL-4's > and not stereo echoplexes. That's life. If you want a high performance > thing, it will cost you more money. If you don't have the money you don't > get it and you settle for something lesser. That doesn't mean there is no > market for high performance products at higher prices. It just means the > market doesn't include you. > > All I'm trying to point out to you here is the primary customers for music > gear are mostly people who have money. It's a different set of people from > those who consider themselves musicians. $1000 may be expensive to you, but > there really are a lot of people in the world for whom it isn't. Those are > the people who buy music gear. That is why $6000 Les Pauls sell well also. > > Just because something is beyond your budget doesn't mean it doesn't sell > well. The Echoplex price might be more than you can afford, yet at that > price they sold every single one they were able to make. That makes it > really difficult to understand how the price was too high. It's an easier > argument to say it was too low. > > > > > >I think this is the reason the Boomerang never really "took off". It > > was about > > > >$200 too expensive. > > > > > > the boomerang has stayed in production for a long time and seems to do > > just > > > fine. I see people with them all over the place. Where do you get the > > > impression it hasn't done well? > > > >I base that on the ratio of people I hear talking about how cool the thing > >is and > >how many actually have one. > > That's sort of anecdotal. Look at it this way. They put the product out in > the mid-90's. The sales have been good enough to support the company to > this day, as it is their only product. It's available in all the major > catalogs, it's in stores, and advertised in guitar magazines. In the > musical instrument industry, that's pretty successful. > > > As it is, the price alone relegates it to specialty market > >status. > > They only cost about $450! That's near the low end of music gear pricing. > It is a specialty product though, as any dedicated looping device would be. > If anything, that justifies higher prices, not lower. > > Another way to look at these items is by their competition. The Boomerang, > as a competitor, has a lot fewer features than the Echoplex. The Boomerang > costs $450, the Echoplex costs $800, somewhat less than 2x higher. That > makes sense. If you want more features you pay more, if you don't want them > maybe the Boomerang is a better choice and you can save $350. The DL4 costs > $250. It has less looping features than the Boomerang, and the construction > isn't as rugged. If the extra features of the Boomerang are important to > you, the additional $200 may be worth it. If not, well get a DL4. > > > > > >Likewise with the EDP. The high entry price restricts it to > > > >people who REALLY WANT it, and that means it'll never be a big seller. > > > > > > Every EDP that has been made was sold at about that price. The new > > Echoplex > > > Plus version seems to be selling fine. Clearly the market did not have a > > > problem with the price. > > > >But how many more could have been made and sold if the price was lower? > > Which part of "it sold out" isn't clear? They made all the ones they had > capacity to make. They all got sold. 100% capacity used, 100% sold. Not > many businesses can say that. Based on that they've now increased the > capacity to build more. Those new units are now selling fine, even though > the price is higher and they haven't really started their marketing > campaign yet. Once they get the marketing in gear it will probably sell > more units, by increasing awareness of it. > > >I can't > >tell you how many times I've talked to people about loopers and stuff, > >described > >the EDP to 'em and watched their face fall when they hear the price. It's like > >those guys Mark talked to recently. > > Yes, I felt the same way when I saw how much a 911 GT2 cost. But seriously, > if $800 is a lot to them, then they aren't a customer for a high end looper. > > > > > What happened to you is the market priced you out of the picture. I guess > > > your fellow loopers have more money than you, as plenty of them are > > willing > > > to pay more than you've got. Sorry if that makes you feel bad, but that is > > > a problem for you and not the Echoplex. > > > >I suppose it is. But really, I'd love to see the EDP have more broad market > >appeal, and I don't think it ever can at the price it sells at. > > I guess I'm baffled how you reach that conclusion. Look at the prices of > other gear. Mid-range synths and samplers cost much more than the Echoplex. > High end gear in other categories costs WAY more. > > So here you have what many people consider a high-end looper in the > echoplex. The best there is in many people's eyes, and it costs $800. > Alright, fine, you have to get two for stereo, but that also gives you some > nice multi-loop functions. That's $1600 for a high-end stereo looper. Let's > compare to street prices of other top gear: > > Eventide Eclipse: $2000 > Eventide Orville: $5000 > Eventide DSP7000: $3400 > Korg Triton 88key: $3400 > Korg Triton rack: $1450 > Korg D16XD: $2000 > Yamaha dig piano: $3500 > Yamaha 9000: $3200 > Yamaha Motif 88key: $2800 > Yamaha AW2816: $1800 > Yamaha RS7000: $1400 > TC finalizer: $2400 > TC fireworx: $1760 > TC G-Force: $1440 > TC M3000: $1500 > Gibson Les Paul Custom: $3200 > Access Virus C $1500 > Nord Modular: $1450 > Roland VS2480 $3800 > roland V-Synth $2300 > roland Fantom s88: $2900 > roland xv-5080 $2000 > roland mc-909: $1500 > Kurzweil K2661: $2400 > Lexicon PCM-81: $2000 > Lexicon MPXG2: $1450 > > You see? It sits right in there pretty well. None of that stuff is > affordable for you, yet it all sells well. > > > > > In fact, Electrix would have sold the same number of Repeaters if their > > > price had been higher. > > > >Probably, given that their marketing was so incredibly poor. They designed > >a box > >for DJs, only half marketed it there, and then found that DJs didn't want the > >box. Other musicians wanted the box, but most never knew it existed. > > It was advertised in Guitar player and keyboard for about a year before it > came out, and reviewed in all those magazines. I think everybody had a > chance to learn about it. Just not that many were interested in getting a > looper. The market size is finite, yet growing slowly. > > > > > I still would have bought two, and somebody else > > > would have bought yours. They might still be here if they had done that. > > > They essentially gave money away with each one they sold. > > > >They scrapped their entire product line in favor of this one nitch market > >product. It seems poor planning to toss out the bread and butter before your > >flagship product is doing really well, much less before it was even released. > > it sounded like desperation to me. Liquidate everything in a last ditch > effort to get cash. One major mistake they made, related to another thread, > is not realizing just how hard it is to develop a functional looper. They > had no idea what they were getting into and didn't devote enough resources > or time to it. So it was a year late, and they ran out of money. > > > My > >observation from talking to people is that a lot of them really like the > >idea of > >an advanced looper until they hear the price. At that point they say something > >like "I think I can probably be happy enough with my DL4" or something > >like that. > > if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in > looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and > that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end > product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher > end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be > worth it to them. > > > > > >That doesn't mean I like it that way. It's just sad to me that more > > people > > > >don't see the point, to where it could sell enough to be a > > > >good selling item. > > > > > > I don't know where you guys get this "poor selling" impression. It sells > > > great, given the size of the market. I certainly wouldn't mind if 100 > > times > > > more units got sold. Then I could get my car. But that requires expanding > > > the market, not lowering the price. Better visibility and wider > > interest in > > > looping would do that. Hopefully those things will come. > > > >One mechanism for expanding your market, if there's public interest, is in > >pricing a product where your customers can afford it. > > Well, that's what I've been trying to point out. It is priced where the > customers can afford it. That's why they keep selling all of them. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 20:57:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R0u1o28750; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:56:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:56:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:55:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: SooperLooper-->any users? From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3876EFD4-D829-11D7-9C91-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't been able to find anyone posting a review of Superlooper, the Linux app that claims to be a software EDP. Has anyone done used this thing? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 20:59:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R0wbu29367; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:58:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:58:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:58:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308270002.h7R02qF21465@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <95DC60FE-D829-11D7-9C91-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4ak-GC.A.sKH.8IAT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You paid a grand for a PDS8000? Surely that's a typo? TravisH On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > More loop orientated, I bought my Digitech PDS8000 for $1000 used > when new more fancy delays were being introduced. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:18:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1FBm00853; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:15:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:15:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4C05D2.30502@bagend.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:13:54 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4FCFj.A.ON.fYAT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got one of these last week. I use the repeater to catch one track at a time, not in stereo. Last night at band practice as I was trying to grab the third or was it the fourth track, the display read SLOW CFC, and would not take the sample. So there may be some issues with these. cheers, Henry Nic Roozeboom wrote: >> From a little while back: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: erika li > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:46 PM > Subject: Repeater CFC Works! > > > To those needing additional compact flash cards, CFC, for the electrix > repeater, I have found one that works and correctly formats. > > SanDisk 256MB (CompactFlash version). I purchased it at Costco for $64, > a great price for 256MB. > > good looping! > erika > > > >> From: Greg House >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater >> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) >> >> --- David Durian wrote: >> > Anybody gone to look for CFCs (like, within the last 3 or 4 months) for >> > Repeater lately? Anybody have any luck finding any 128 or 256 ones >> that work >> > well with Repeater? >> >> I've been casually looking, but nobody can identify working ones any >> more. I >> bought a SimpleTech 256MB (which Electrix used to recommend) from Sams >> about a >> month ago, and the Repeater would format it, but it wouldn't record or >> play using >> it. Sams was kind enough to let me return the card, most places aren't. >> >> At this point, you could spend a LOT of money buying cards in hopes >> they have a >> controller fast enough for the Repeater to use, but it's apparently a >> crap shoot >> whether you get one that'll work or not. >> >> Greg >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >> http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:23:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1MOM01960; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:22:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #629 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308270002.h7R02qF21465@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2KBV5B.A.ge.QfAT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but imagine you're a business owner and there's a bunch of guys who stand around outside the door, always looking in the window: "What you doing out there? Come on in and buy something!" you say. "Oh, we like what you sell, we're just waiting for you to go out of business so we can buy it all at fire sale prices." You might get a little snippy too. TravisH On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Quite frankly, Kim's latest post really pissed me off, too. Coming > from a > brilliant guy who I have personally witnessed being > exceedingly generous several times, his post seems to me to be both > elitist and insensitive to the many, many, many musicians > who are interested in looping and do not have the income that many hi > tech > employees have. I'm one of those musicians From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:26:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1Odb02509; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:24:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:24:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:24:32 -0700 Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: f4eae01d aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826134607.0381c6b8@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <365221D2-D82D-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 02:45 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > Same for musical instruments. The vast majority of people who get > musical instruments just wish to play them. The less time fiddling the > better. There is a tiny fraction of people who like to build their own > instruments. It's a fun hobby and they spend most of their time doing > that instead of actually playing. That's great for them. But certainly > isn't the wave of the future now anymore than it is with cars, or it > was with breadboards and radio shack. I think you're right about a lot of the points, except that as a list, we're probably more like the tinkerers than the Strat into a Twin crowd. Also, cars are by their nature more expensive than (most) audio gear. Because of that people will tend to buy more than one effect box. Soon they'll have a floorboard full of them. Then, they'll switch to a rack with a MIDI controller. But maybe some of the stompboxes have functionality that the rack effect processor doesn't. So maybe you get another.... and another. Now, what if I told you that you could buy a blank piece of audio gear and make it what you want buy purchasing effects ala carte? I think that sounds great. A good example is the Lexicon MPX-G2. I thought it's distortion sounds were cold and horrible, but I loved it's other effects. Maybe someone else would want only it's reverbs and filters... but they like another effects company's chorus. That to me sounds like the best of all worlds. In graphics design it's totally like that. I buy Adobe's image editor, but Macromedia's vector animation program. Photoshop doesn't do everything I need it to, so I extend it with Extensis plug ins. Another person might not need more than what Photoshop comes with and that person saved money. Anyway, effects are pretty much hardware and software these days. Each box I have has a d/a a/d converter in it. Why did I pay for that component 12 times? You can argue with me all you want, but I think that things like Plugzilla and that other one Kim posted are going to change the way all effects are purchased in the future. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:32:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1U6U04023; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:30:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <146.17df5268.2c7d6396@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:29:58 EDT Subject: Cranky Dissy Threads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7R1U5W03996 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Geeeze Louise! Will everybody just please take a break! We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's at least try acting like it. Granted, there are some strong opinions and personalities involved but, as Rodney King put it once: "Why can't we all just get along?" I am getting a little weary of the little "pissing contests" that seem to be taking over the list all to often lately. Last time I checked we were no where near a full moon. Why all the loony behavior? With respect, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:40:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1bgW05436; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:37:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: a3a5dfa1 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826144716.023d3c70@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <093B2C64-D82F-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > Sure, and those the people who drive Hondas and not BMW's. They play > DL-4's and not stereo echoplexes. That's life. If you want a high > performance thing, it will cost you more money. If you don't have the > money you don't get it and you settle for something lesser. That > doesn't mean there is no market for high performance products at > higher prices. It just means the market doesn't include you. Does the Echoplex Digital Pro sell well? Man, I don't have a single item on that list. I most be poor. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:41:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1YpF04886; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:34:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:34:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:36:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <146.17df5268.2c7d6396@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7R1YoW04850 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But Mars, "The God of War" ,is very close! joe On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 06:29 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I am getting a little weary of the little > "pissing contests" that seem to be taking > over the list all to often lately. Last time > I checked we were no where near a full > moon. Why all the loony behavior? > > With respect, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:41:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1e0T05872; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:40:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:39:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Hello, my name is biz and I am gearaholic. It all started with a small pink footpedal my friend gave me for my birthday... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: afb6c5c9 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5BD55104-D82F-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <04x50D.A.obB.wvAT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 05:36 PM, sserendipity wrote: > > - Kim is, by far and away, the crankiest member of this list, and so > there > no point anyone else here trying to compete for the title. > Damn. I try so hard... so very hard. Mark Sottlaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:42:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1eRo06015; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:40:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:40:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 18cac4b8 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <95DC60FE-D829-11D7-9C91-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: <6C066848-D82F-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -0 On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 05:58 PM, Travis wrote: > You paid a grand for a PDS8000? Surely that's a typo? > > TravisH > > On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 05:02 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> More loop orientated, I bought my Digitech PDS8000 for $1000 used >> when new more fancy delays were being introduced. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:49:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1lKH07287; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:47:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:47:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826184517.01ace4a8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:45:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Cranky Kim In-Reply-To: <6C066848-D82F-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <95DC60FE-D829-11D7-9C91-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Must have been stereo... At 06:40 PM 2003/08/26 -0700, msottilaro wrote: >-0 > >On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 05:58 PM, Travis wrote: > >>You paid a grand for a PDS8000? Surely that's a typo? >> >>TravisH >> >>On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> >>> More loop orientated, I bought my Digitech PDS8000 for $1000 used when new more fancy delays were being introduced. >>> >>>Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 21:55:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1qm408162; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c36c3e$6c647180$12ffa344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <146.17df5268.2c7d6396@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.163.255.18] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:52:40 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > tEd ® kiLLiAn writes: > Why all the loony behavior? Answer: MARS? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 22:00:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1wxv09467; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:58:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:58:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:58:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 86207045 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <146.17df5268.2c7d6396@aol.com> Message-Id: <02C578FB-D832-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7R1wxW09435 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Screw you! Heh, just kidding. I find it interesting that people interpret heated discussion with fighting. I kind like when the list gets like this and people start getting passionate about what they're talking about. I probably disagree with 50% of what Kim says, but I'd still consider him a friend. I hate Cara though. ;) Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 06:29 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Geeeze Louise! > > Will everybody just please take a break! > We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's > at least try acting like it. Granted, there > are some strong opinions and personalities > involved but, as Rodney King put it once: > "Why can't we all just get along?" > > I am getting a little weary of the little > "pissing contests" that seem to be taking > over the list all to often lately. Last time > I checked we were no where near a full > moon. Why all the loony behavior? > > With respect, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 22:03:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1uL709072; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <093B2C64-D82F-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <093B2C64-D82F-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:51:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>Sure, and those the people who drive Hondas and not BMW's. I dunno, man. I drive a Honda and I have an EDP. And a G-Force, come to think of it (another item from your list). Hmm...guess I don't fit the mold. :) Jeff <--who also happens to think it's ridiculous (at the very least) that people piss away so much money on things as silly as BMWs and other luxury cars. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 22:05:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R22bb11299; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:02:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:02:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c36c3f$cb9b5500$12ffa344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <093B2C64-D82F-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: recent favorite Loping CDs... Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:06:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [68.163.255.18] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:02:30 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Question -- in 2003, what cool new music have people been checking out containing a high proportion of performance-based looping (as opposed to studio clips that are sequenced/sampled...)??? Kranky Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 22:06:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R1tjq08862; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:55:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c36c3e$d4e42700$12ffa344@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <093B2C64-D82F-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:59:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.255.18] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:55:16 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And just so you know how Cranky that can be -- my last received "Cranky Kim" e-mail contained a virus that my virus-wear caught. Talk about CRANKY! ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Cranky Kim > On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > > > Sure, and those the people who drive Hondas and not BMW's. They play > > DL-4's and not stereo echoplexes. That's life. If you want a high > > performance thing, it will cost you more money. If you don't have the > > money you don't get it and you settle for something lesser. That > > doesn't mean there is no market for high performance products at > > higher prices. It just means the market doesn't include you. > > Does the Echoplex Digital Pro sell well? > > Man, I don't have a single item on that list. I most be poor. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 22:13:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R2A1w12637; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Cranky Dissy Threads Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:09:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36C40.4F4ED8E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36C40.4F4ED8E0 Content-Type: text/plain It must be Mars. Some of the other lists I am on, people seem to be very combatitive lately too. One list (the jam band Galactic's discussion list) got so bad I just unsubscribed. Weird. . . . DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:56 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads >> >> >>> tEd (r) kiLLiAn writes: >> >> >>> Why all the loony behavior? >> >>Answer: MARS? >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36C40.4F4ED8E0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Cranky Dissy Threads

It must be Mars.

Some of the other lists I am on, people seem to be = very combatitive lately too. One list (the jam band Galactic's = discussion list) got so bad I just unsubscribed. Weird. . . = .

DM

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>>> Why all the loony behavior?
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>>Answer: MARS?
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C36C40.4F4ED8E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 22:45:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R2heJ16638; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:43:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.35.153.44] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:43:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 02:43:32.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[0156B9F0:01C36C45] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Kim makes a point that is probably "right on" for a vast majority of most people into looping in a lot of ways: "if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be worth it to them." How many people here on the list bought the EDP as their first looper, without first being introduced to it through some other looper first (boomerang, DL4, Jam Man, etc)? I could be overgeneralizing here, but it seems like most of the posts I've read from people state that they started looping on something else first . . . At least some portion of us started looping in the early 90s, right? And what would we have probably started with--the Jam Man right? Over time, some of us moved to the EDP, either directly from the Jam Man or maybe through some others (boomerang) or to the Repeater. That's true for me, who started on the Jam Man, then got 2 for stereo, then finally, after nearly 10 years, moved to 2 Echoplexes (and now a Repeater, too). And I know it's true for Mark S, because I've talked to him about it. He was a Jam Man guy who moved to Repeater. The point is . . . I think Kim is correct in what he is saying about the "market share" for the EDP. It's not really meant to be your first looper. It's something you "grow into" once you start on other machines. If you find those machines too limiting or you don't like the quirks of the some of them (like some people feel about Repeater, for example), or if you're like me and decided you wanted to make some changes to your overall approach to looping, then you move in to the EDP. Sure, I can agree with a lot of people that maybe the EDP is a bit pricey--hell, I bought two brand new, so I know what it means to pay for them--but it really is the best tool on the market right now in terms of full function, real time looping. I think it really has to come down to a question for the user--do you truly need the EDP to make your art, or will your (insert looper here) suffice? And if it doesn't suffice, and you really do want to make your art using it--can you live without something else? Do you need three sound effects processors or could you get by with 2? Do you need 2 synths or synth modules, or is 1 enough? I just recently went through all this--I had to make some real tough choices--I've updated most of my gear over the last 3 months and did almost all of it (except buying the echoplexes) buying gear through Ebay used. And so I decided to look hard at everything I had accumulated since I began playing at 13 and went with the credo "what can I live without--what is truly at the core of what I need to make music?" It took me a few months to decide, and then I went for it. And I traded a whole bunch of gear that I got over a 15 year period basically--I sold stuff and managed to stay within the range of what I brought in from sales to buy new equipment, which is why I'm saying I traded it. But it took me doing that soul searching to make it all make sense. And for me, that's how it all finally came together. In terms of my musical life, that's how I was able to determine my priorities. I guess what I am trying to say is--if you want it to be so--if you want that EDP or 2 EDPs, you can do it. You just have to decide if it truly is vitally important to you or not. And I'm not just saying this all to be a "Kim" cheerleader or anything. I was offended by his comments about poor people, too. But, as Rick said, we all have to learn to get along and respect each other, even if we disagree. Otherwise, why be on this list? But when the man is right, well, I respect him enough to say so. Just some thoughts, the other David :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 22:57:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R2tdD18529; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:55:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:55:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 02:55:32.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE8AD330:01C36C46] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think now it is time for everyone on the list to go out and watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine." peace -matt >From: msottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:58:53 -0700 > >Screw you! > >Heh, just kidding. I find it interesting that people interpret heated >discussion with fighting. I kind like when the list gets like this and >people start getting passionate about what they're talking about. I >probably disagree with 50% of what Kim says, but I'd still consider him a >friend. > >I hate Cara though. ;) > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 06:29 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > >>Geeeze Louise! >> >>Will everybody just please take a break! >>We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's >>at least try acting like it. Granted, there >>are some strong opinions and personalities >>involved but, as Rodney King put it once: >>"Why can't we all just get along?" >> >>I am getting a little weary of the little >>"pissing contests" that seem to be taking >>over the list all to often lately. Last time >>I checked we were no where near a full >>moon. Why all the loony behavior? >> >>With respect, >> >>tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >>http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian >>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 23:12:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R3A7X21894; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:09:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <146.17df5268.2c7d6396@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7R3A6W21870 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well Mars is very very close... On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 06:29 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Geeeze Louise! > > Will everybody just please take a break! > We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's > at least try acting like it. Granted, there > are some strong opinions and personalities > involved but, as Rodney King put it once: > "Why can't we all just get along?" > > I am getting a little weary of the little > "pissing contests" that seem to be taking > over the list all to often lately. Last time > I checked we were no where near a full > moon. Why all the loony behavior? > > With respect, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 23:49:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R3lE818338; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:47:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: What price to loop? Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:47:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c36c4d$e344bbc0$e93c0404@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.4.60.233] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:47:02 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <3sPEJB.A.aeE.CnCT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got an EDP the first year they came out, on layaway for 4 months. It was my first looper. I drive a minivan, and teach guitar for a living- I am not dirt poor, but could probably qualify as a starving artist during some months. I constantly upgrade my gear by a combination of research, selling what I have (sometimes re-buying what I have sold...how many of you do that? Or is it just me?), etc. A purchase of $800 is a major investment, but I do happen to own a $3k guitar (I saved that up). My point is, if you want it, then you *can* get it, somehow. Layaway, credit cards, benefactor, parents, etc. Look, my take is, if your car breaks down and you have no way to get to work, you will scramble to get $1000 together to get a working car. For me, I read a review about the EDP in Guitar Player, and knew this thing would change my musical life forever. It has. It was that important to me. Now, several years later, I would love another one. I have spent lots more on gear since I got my EDP, so I guess it isn't as important to go stereo as it was to have 1 mono EDP. Yeah it would be 'nice' but it is no big deal. Being 'nice' isn't worth $800 to me. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > How many people here on the list bought the EDP as their > first looper, > without first being introduced to it through some other looper first > (boomerang, DL4, Jam Man, etc)? I could be overgeneralizing > here, but it > seems like most of the posts I've read from people state that > they started > looping on something else first . . . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 23:58:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R3un919974; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:56:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:56:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030826220430.007c4980@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:04:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads In-Reply-To: <02C578FB-D832-11D7-B76C-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <146.17df5268.2c7d6396@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7R3unW19950 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL! SMILES, -kiss kiss... Cara At 06:58 PM 8/26/03 -0700, you wrote: >Screw you! > >Heh, just kidding. I find it interesting that people interpret heated >discussion with fighting. I kind like when the list gets like this and >people start getting passionate about what they're talking about. I >probably disagree with 50% of what Kim says, but I'd still consider him >a friend. > >I hate Cara though. ;) > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 06:29 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > >> Geeeze Louise! >> >> Will everybody just please take a break! >> We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's >> at least try acting like it. Granted, there >> are some strong opinions and personalities >> involved but, as Rodney King put it once: >> "Why can't we all just get along?" >> >> I am getting a little weary of the little >> "pissing contests" that seem to be taking >> over the list all to often lately. Last time >> I checked we were no where near a full >> moon. Why all the loony behavior? >> >> With respect, >> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 26 23:59:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R3uZg19910; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:56:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:56:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c36c4f$b73dc240$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:00:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C36C2E.2FAF0300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.251.12] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:56:28 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <21CGP.A.72E.yvCT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C36C2E.2FAF0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Cranky Dissy Threadsunsubing from the Galactic list because of Mars = -- awesome! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Makoviney=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: RE: Cranky Dissy Threads It must be Mars.=20 Some of the other lists I am on, people seem to be very combatitive = lately too. One list (the jam band Galactic's discussion list) got so = bad I just unsubscribed. Weird. . . . DM=20 >>-----Original Message-----=20 >>From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]=20 >>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:56 PM=20 >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 >>Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> tEd (r) kiLLiAn writes:=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> Why all the loony behavior?=20 >>=20 >>Answer: MARS?=20 >>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C36C2E.2FAF0300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Cranky Dissy Threads
unsubing from the Galactic list because = of Mars --=20 awesome!
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don=20 Makoviney
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 = 10:09=20 PM
Subject: RE: Cranky Dissy = Threads

It must be Mars.

Some of the other lists I am on, people seem to be = very=20 combatitive lately too. One list (the jam band Galactic's discussion = list) got=20 so bad I just unsubscribed. Weird. . . .

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]=20
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:56 = PM=20
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
>>Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads =
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>>
>>> tEd (r) kiLLiAn writes:
>>
>>
>>> Why all the loony behavior?
>>
>>Answer: = MARS?
>>

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C36C2E.2FAF0300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 00:32:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R4TFu26116; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:29:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:29:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.109.244.92] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads (matt) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:29:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 04:29:08.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1F2B520:01C36C53] Resent-Message-ID: <8cPKnD.A.7XG.bODT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matt wrote: >>I think now it is time for everyone on the list to go out and watch >>Michael Moore's "Bowling for >>Columbine." peace How about "Roger and Me" while were at it--would be apt with all the socio-economic discussions tossed 'round today. Actually, now that I think about, couple that with the bonus stuff on disc 2 of "Columbine" for some real context. :) David Durian _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 01:01:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R4wfj29614; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:58:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:58:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.109.244.92] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Posts Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:58:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 04:58:33.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDDBF400:01C36C57] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave E wrote: >>I constantly upgrade my gear by a combination of research, >>selling what I have (sometimes re-buying what I have sold...how many of >>you do that? Or is it just me?) The impression I'm getting is that a LOT of us on the list do that--the whole approach you are mentioning. Like I said in my last post, I upgrade by selling what I have, and yes, I've gone back and rebought a couple of things over the years, too. It's the nature of the musical beast, if you ask me. :) To me, I wonder if this is what lots of musicians in our situations have always done, or if this is more a factor of the economic times we are currently in (insert tie back to the Michael Moore references made by mark and me here)? I mean, everyone I know seems to be doing that lately. People I've heard mention it on this list, people I work with, my jamming buddies/musical collaborating friends . . . And at least here in the south side of Chicago, I think the national retailers like GC and SA are really looking like they are starting to feel that trend too. . . . But then this opens a discussion of interest, to me, at least, which is how they deal with the resale market generally. Perhaps if they gave us what our gear is worth when we brought in stuff for trade-ins, I (and I know several of my jamming buddies) would be less likely only to buy used gear or do the Ebay thing. But frankly, the last few times (over a several year period) that I've taken anything in one of those places to trade, I feel like I'm getting totally ripped off. I can get A LOT more money for my gear over on Ebay than I'd get from them . . . so why bother with them? All they do is try to pressure sell me on whatever "is hot" this week anyway--and most of it is stuff I'd never use. Like, when I was updating my mixing board . . . they basically tried to rape and pillage me on the trade in on my old board, and then tried to pressure me in to getting a board that I thought was a total hunk of junk--because it was the "big seller" that month. It's hard though (insert quasi-old-man rant) when the salesperson is 19 years old and has no clue (and possibly no interest) in what they are doing except to sell what they've been told is "hot." It constantly astounds me how little they actually know --about anything-- unless it's the latest "big thing." Maybe I don't want a Line 6 Pod Pro or a Digitech RP 400. And some of us don't want only one option (Boss RC-20) for buying a looper. Damn kids. No respect for history, value, or the important things in life. :) (okay, rant over). But seriously, I think those chains contribute to the hard times it looks like they are having (in Chicago, anyway) because of the salesperson problem and the attitude towards trade-ins they seem to have. And they've definately contributed to me and my jamming buddies not shopping there now. As much as it sucks to say this--because this chain has its issues too--if I ever do buy new gear anymore, I'm buying it from MF. Yes, they have chain "issues" too, but at least online shopping allows me not to have to deal with some Van Halen wanna be playing "Eruption" poorly out on some Marshall stack turned to 11 while a bassist pretending to be Flea thumps away behind him while I'm simultaneously being pressured into buying something I don't want. (Second rant started and now ended.) Frankly, I like going the Ebay route, because from what I can determine, all the people I've bought gear from the last three months are doing the same thing you and I have been doing--selling their gear to buy other used gear from other sellers on Ebay. So, basically, we all help each other out doing so. They move their stuff, and I get want I want. I move my stuff, and someone else gets what they want. And we all enable each other to do our thing in our own way. Which is great. Just some more thoughts, David Durian _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 01:02:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R50EC31125; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:00:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Kaoss--progress report Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:00:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- Is there a Kaoss Pad users group? Oh Richard . . . Anyway, here's the latest. I have the Kaoss after the percussion EDP (MIDI percussion looped on the Echoplex Digital Pro). The setup I have developed is two EDPs, one for percussion, one for electric guitar and MIDI keyboard sound--bass mostly, because I am such a guitar show off--although I AM using the Starr Labs Ztar for this purpose and it is actually faster than guitar--but I have no string triggers, and I like the control a plectrum gives me--but I digress . . . The Kaoss pad will track MIDI clock, so I can process the stupid drum loop and give it character--also can sample to free up the EDP for transitions, but that is for MUCH later . . . It looks cool and I am sure I will get gigs because of it--do we really need to know more? I say, give the people what they want--eye candy! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 01:17:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R5EEY00687; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:14:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:14:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827051408.82474.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Durian wrote: > > And I'm not just saying this all to be a "Kim" > cheerleader or anything. I > was offended by his comments about poor people, too. ??????????? What is it you people think Kim said about poor people? a) they should be fed to wolverines b) everyone should own a couple c) they don't have much money Just wondering.... John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 01:27:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R5MhN01935; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: How Many Poor People Does it Take to Change the World? Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:22:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030827051408.82474.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My objection to Kim's generalization is that it was just that--a blanket dismissal of the disenfranchised. Gary PS John is really funny. G What is it you people think Kim said about poor people? a) they should be fed to wolverines b) everyone should own a couple c) they don't have much money Just wondering.... John ===== John Tidwell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 01:43:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R5eo504133; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:40:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:40:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827054044.93658.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: we sure do like to argue. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-281451887-1061962844=:86262" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-281451887-1061962844=:86262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii personally, i'm going to go and find something better to do. -jim --0-281451887-1061962844=:86262 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

personally, i'm going to go and find something better to do.

-jim

--0-281451887-1061962844=:86262-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 02:02:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R5xiT07370; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c36c60$ebcc4980$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20030827051408.82474.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:03:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.251.12] at Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:59:37 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John -- This gets my vote for Post Of The Day! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:14 AM Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! > --- David Durian wrote: > > > > And I'm not just saying this all to be a "Kim" > > cheerleader or anything. I > > was offended by his comments about poor people, too. > > ??????????? > > What is it you people think Kim said about poor > people? > > a) they should be fed to wolverines > > b) everyone should own a couple > > c) they don't have much money > > Just wondering.... > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 02:08:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R60At07412; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:00:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:00:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:00:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Posts From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com People don't like being told they aren't the intended customer. Even when it's true and letting them know is arguably for their own good. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 04:59:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7R8vuw23956; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:57:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: SooperLooper-->any users? Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:57:47 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <002d01c36c79$4a9112d0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3876EFD4-D829-11D7-9C91-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I haven't been able to find anyone posting a review of > Superlooper, the > Linux app that claims to be a software EDP. Has anyone done > used this > thing? > > TravisH I'd like to see that too, please :-) I just got myself a distro of Linux to have a look at the sooperlooper. But this will likely take a me long time since I also happened to be offered a lot of work the other day. And since I'm a poor (!) multi occupied freelance worker I can never afford to turn down clients. Now I have to put work in the first place and hopefully save up for some free time with Linux Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 06:33:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RAUaV01892; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c36c86$4d0fbb80$55915142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <146.17df5268.2c7d6396@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 03:30:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We're closer to Mars now than we've been in a long time... It's just that warrior vibe coming out! I'm really having a blast using my DL-4 as an early-chain looper, then the EDP for the longer evolving beds. The DL-4 plays the "heads" and the EDP handles the long-form stuff. It's awesome. Since I'm on a beer budget, I faux stereoize the return of the EDP by putting a Vortex on the Alt3/4 buss on my little Mackie, making it possible to punch any other channel into the Vortex when I want things osterized a bit. Quite fun! Some day I'll have that second EDP for retaining the true stereo nature of my sounds, but until then... party on Garth! -Miko --------------------------------------------- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Cranky Dissy Threads > Geeeze Louise! > Will everybody just please take a break! We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's at least try acting like it. Granted, there are some strong opinions and personalities involved but, as Rodney King put it once: "Why can't we all just get along?" > I am getting a little weary of the little "pissing contests" that seem to be taking over the list all to often lately. Last time I checked we were no where near a full moon. Why all the loony behavior? > With respect, tEd ® kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 07:09:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RB5Xw06466; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:05:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:05:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827110527.4522.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:05:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: How Many Poor People Does it Take to Change the World? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > My objection to Kim's generalization is that it was > just that--a blanket > dismissal of the disenfranchised. > Gary > PS John is really funny. > G Generally, poor people don't have much money. Was it a blanket dismissal as human beings or as a market segment? Disenfranchise: to deny voting rights Chickenfranchise: to deny molting rights Poor people (in the U.S.) are not disenfranchised, convicted felons & children are. John PS Thanks! I'm looking forward to being simply hilarious. :) ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 07:48:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RBg0W09889; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:42:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:42:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: What price to loop? Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:41:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36C90.3879C260" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36C90.3879C260 Content-Type: text/plain True. . . .actually some of the poorest musicians have some of the best gear - since it is their livelihood and passion, and that is all they spend their money on. -DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: future perfect [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:47 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: What price to loop? >> >> >> I got an EDP the first year they came out, on layaway for 4 >>months. It was my first looper. I drive a minivan, and teach >>guitar for a living- I am not dirt poor, but could probably >>qualify as a starving artist during some months. I constantly >>upgrade my gear by a combination of research, selling what I >>have (sometimes re-buying what I have sold...how many of you >>do that? Or is it just me?), etc. A purchase of $800 is a >>major investment, but I do happen to own a $3k guitar (I >>saved that up). My point is, if you want it, then you *can* >>get it, somehow. Layaway, credit cards, benefactor, parents, >>etc. Look, my take is, if your car breaks down and you have >>no way to get to work, you will scramble to get $1000 >>together to get a working car. For me, I read a review about >>the EDP in Guitar Player, and knew this thing would change my >>musical life forever. It has. It was that important to me. >>Now, several years later, I would love another one. I have >>spent lots more on gear since I got my EDP, so I guess it >>isn't as important to go stereo as it was to have 1 mono EDP. >>Yeah it would be 'nice' but it is no big deal. Being 'nice' >>isn't worth $800 to me. >> >>Dave Eichenberger >>http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> How many people here on the list bought the EDP as their >>> first looper, >>> without first being introduced to it through some other >>looper first >>> (boomerang, DL4, Jam Man, etc)? I could be overgeneralizing >>> here, but it >>> seems like most of the posts I've read from people state that >>> they started >>> looping on something else first . . . >>> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36C90.3879C260 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: What price to loop?

True. . . .actually some of the poorest musicians = have some of the best gear - since it is their livelihood and passion, = and that is all they spend their money on.

-DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: future perfect [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com= ]
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:47 = PM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: What price to loop?
>>
>>
>> I got an EDP the first year they came out, = on layaway for 4
>>months. It was my first looper. I drive a = minivan, and teach
>>guitar for a living- I am not dirt poor, but = could probably
>>qualify as a starving artist during some = months. I constantly
>>upgrade my gear by a combination of = research, selling what I
>>have (sometimes re-buying what I have = sold...how many of you
>>do that? Or is it just me?), etc. A purchase = of $800 is a
>>major investment, but I do happen to own a = $3k guitar (I
>>saved that up). My point is, if you want it, = then you *can*
>>get it, somehow. Layaway, credit cards, = benefactor, parents,
>>etc. Look, my take is, if your car breaks = down and you have
>>no way to get to work, you will scramble to = get $1000
>>together to get a working car. For me, I = read a review about
>>the EDP in Guitar Player, and knew this = thing would change my
>>musical life forever. It has. It was that = important to me.
>>Now, several years later, I would love = another one.  I have
>>spent lots more on gear since I got my EDP, = so I guess it
>>isn't as important to go stereo as it was to = have 1 mono EDP.
>>Yeah it would be 'nice' but it is no big = deal. Being 'nice'
>>isn't worth $800 to me.
>>
>>Dave Eichenberger
>>http://www.hazardfactor.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> How many people here on the list bought = the EDP as their
>>> first looper,
>>> without first being introduced to it = through some other
>>looper first
>>> (boomerang, DL4, Jam Man, etc)? I could = be overgeneralizing
>>> here, but it
>>> seems like most of the posts I've read = from people state that
>>> they started
>>> looping on something else first . . .
>>> 
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36C90.3879C260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 09:17:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RDCxR21467; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:12:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:12:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2859.159.247.128.172.1061989980.squirrel@stuff.hrnoc.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: EDP control and mounting options From: wavelet@petebrunelli.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19s06T-000OCs-PD*nE5G4IRTTfk* Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hiya LD folks, I might have a Line 6 EX-1 expression pedal available to me. Has anyone tried this to control feedback on the EDP? Does anyone have a specific recommendation for a padded bag that either holds the EDP and the EFC-7 plus cables and stuff, or just the EFC-7 and accys? I've been looking for the equivalent of the 'Rang bag but haven't found it yet. A rack bag with a big pocket might be a good solution too. Thanks, Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 10:15:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RECgI29470; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:12:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:12:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:12:40 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/27/2003 10:12:41 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << >I think it's better to think of Reaktor like one would think of a modular >synth, not like buildling a Stratocaster from scratch. I compare it to cars. There are some people who build their cars entirely from scratch. (snip) >> The car/guitar analogy is very apt...at least it matches my relationship with either, except that since I can afford to customize my guitar more easily than my car (and actually want to), I did so....and once I got it right, I lost interest in having any other guitars (which I think puts me in a very obvious minority among guitarists!). But when it comes to the gear I plug my guitar cable into, I think the analogy breaks down almost completely. I can't think of many serious guitar players of my acquaintance who aren't both gear-heads and home-studio owners---or planning to be---on some level, even if reluctantly. And if Cubase is just a virtual studio, Reaktor is simply a virtual effects rack, plus instruments. Sure, the hard-core Reaktorite is a bona-fide instrument or processor maker, and needs some serious DSP smarts to be so, but these folks are the equivalent, population-wise within the Reaktor community, of the diy- and custom-car guys---except that most of them actually seem to be active performing musicians, too. (And what are the numbers like when you compare EDP owners to everybody else who's got a simple loopable delay stomper, DL-4, or even an RC-20 in their kit bag, I wonder?) But surely it doesn't even matter if you're a plug-and-play person or a gimme-that-wrench guy, or a bit of both. The simple fact is that software instruments, effects and studio tools are gaining on their hardware predecessors...Obvious, no? There will always be a need for both, but even the distinction is going away! This whole argument sounds like a silent-movie star explaining that the talkies are a passing fad... I look forward to the day when Kim and Matthias announce that, along with version whatever of the EDP software, they're debuting (in collaboration, perhaps, with cycling74?? Native Instruments? Propellerheads? Plogue? Tassman? SynthEdit? AudioMulch? Waves?...it just goes on....) a totally fresh, brand-new plug-in looping tool within a cross-platform, extensible, modular DSP environment. Who else would you rather have doing this? Somebody will... dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 11:13:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RF3xF06087; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:03:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:03:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030827110527.4522.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Gradually verring OT Re: How Many Poor People Does it Take to Change the World? Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:03:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 15:03:52.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D69C990:01C36CAC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- Relay wrote: > > My objection to Kim's generalization is that it was > > just that--a blanket > > dismissal of the disenfranchised. > > Gary > > PS John is really funny. > > G > Disenfranchise: to deny voting rights > Given the state of the economy, and the state of the countries political structure, one could argue that the rich are currently conspiring with the poor to disenfranchise practically everyone. BTW, designing and building musical gear is one of the lowest paying, least secure jobs you can take that still requires an engineering background. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:05 AM Subject: Re: How Many Poor People Does it Take to Change the World? > Chickenfranchise: to deny molting rights > > Poor people (in the U.S.) are not disenfranchised, > convicted felons & children are. > > John > > PS > Thanks! I'm looking forward to being simply hilarious. > > :) > > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 11:27:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RFNgp08725; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:23:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827152340.10323.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem is that I've seen other reports that said the SanDisk card DOESN'T work. There are tons of reports that the SimpleTech 256MB like I bought work great, but the one I got didn't. I have two SimpleTech 128MB cards. One works perfectly, and the other one won't consistantly record in stereo. The other variable is that some Repeater users don't record in stereo or reverse much, so they don't know that their card isn't fully functional, so they report that it works...but then later on you find that they never tried more then the basic one track forward recording. Like I said, it's a crap shoot. They switch the controller chips that they use in those things all the time. Apparently the ones that end up with one particular Hitichi controller will work with the Repeater, others don't, or only work in some crippled mode (won't record in stereo, won't record in reverse, etc). Greg --- Nic Roozeboom wrote: > From a little while back: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: erika li > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:46 PM > Subject: Repeater CFC Works! > > > To those needing additional compact flash cards, CFC, for the electrix > repeater, I have found one that works and correctly formats. > > SanDisk 256MB (CompactFlash version). I purchased it at Costco for $64, a > great price for 256MB. > > good looping! > erika > > > > >From: Greg House > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater > >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) > > > >--- David Durian wrote: > > > Anybody gone to look for CFCs (like, within the last 3 or 4 months) for > > > Repeater lately? Anybody have any luck finding any 128 or 256 ones that > >work > > > well with Repeater? > > > >I've been casually looking, but nobody can identify working ones any more. > >I > >bought a SimpleTech 256MB (which Electrix used to recommend) from Sams > >about a > >month ago, and the Repeater would format it, but it wouldn't record or play > >using > >it. Sams was kind enough to let me return the card, most places aren't. > > > >At this point, you could spend a LOT of money buying cards in hopes they > >have a > >controller fast enough for the Repeater to use, but it's apparently a crap > >shoot > >whether you get one that'll work or not. > > > >Greg > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 11:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RFaYJ10475; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:36:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827153632.31565.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #629 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis wrote: > Yeah, but imagine you're a business owner and there's a bunch of guys > who stand around outside the door, always looking in the window: > > "What you doing out there? Come on in and buy something!" you say. > "Oh, we like what you sell, we're just waiting for you to go out of > business so we can buy it all at fire sale prices." > > You might get a little snippy too. Or you might consider that there might be a larger market out there which you aren't serving with your product. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 11:54:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RFmSF12267; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Beating a Dead Horse with John and Gary Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:48:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030827110527.4522.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8JMDGB.A.i_C.MLNT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John wondered: Was it a blanket dismissal as human beings or as a market segment? Disenfranchise: to deny voting rights Chickenfranchise: to deny molting rights Poor people (in the U.S.) are not disenfranchised, convicted felons & children are. ------>>>And here's the quote again from Kim: >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it anyway. And I (unfortunately) have to say: Disenfranchisementarianism (I couldn't resist) can be economic--it's all about opportunity I am a convicted felon and act like a child If enough people tell you that you can't do something, guess what--you can't do something Besides, WHY DOES EVERYBODY ALWAYS GENERALIZE ALL THE TIME?!??! OK, I'm done--But I have to confess that John is capable of making me convulse with laughter, a valuable skill--thanks, John! Gary PS Too bad I can't vote--here comes Governor Terminator G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 11:55:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RFpHj12755; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:51:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:51:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.212.18.243] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Poorness/Unidentified Subject/Cranky Dissy Posts Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:51:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 15:51:08.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[07E9BB50:01C36CB3] Resent-Message-ID: <-t5km.A.LHD.0NNT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John T, Gary has crystalized my issue with Kim's comment(s) ... >>My objection to Kim's generalization is that it was just that--a blanket >>dismissal of the disenfranchised. >>Gary Don't get me wrong though. I have immense respect for Kim. And a lot of the time, even though he can be very blunt about it (which might be offputting to some people, like that guy who unsubscribed yesterday), I agree with a lot of what he says. Just not that part of what's he's said over the last couple of days. David Durian _________________________________________________________________ Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige using MSN Messenger http://entertainment.msn.com/imastar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 12:09:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RG5P416068; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827160523.70953.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: SooperLooper-->any users? To: loopers-delight In-Reply-To: <002d01c36c79$4a9112d0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Per Boysen wrote: > > I haven't been able to find anyone posting a review of > > Superlooper, the > > Linux app that claims to be a software EDP. Has anyone done > > used this > > thing? > > > > TravisH > > > I'd like to see that too, please :-) > > I just got myself a distro of Linux to have a look at the sooperlooper. > But this will likely take a me long time since I also happened to be > offered a lot of work the other day. And since I'm a poor (!) multi > occupied freelance worker I can never afford to turn down clients. Now I > have to put work in the first place and hopefully save up for some free > time with Linux Unless the state of audio on Linux has improved in the last few months since I looked at it last, you're unlikely to see many people running stuff like Sooperlooper because it depends on underlying stuff (ALSA, plugger, etc) that is still very much in early development. Yes, it sort of works...sometimes. But I found it was very difficult to get all the pieces aligned and installed well enough to even try things out. It was still in that state where knowledgable developers can work with it, but anyone who's not at that technical level is going to struggle considerably. Plus, finding documentation and information that isn't completely outdated is difficult. You have to monitor a dozen mailing lists devoted primarily to development issues, some of which are VERY active, just to get the info you need to set things up. And by the time you get that figured out, the builds you have of things are outdated and you have to download new ones, and yeah...they depend on other new builds, which you have to search out and find yourself. It's not easy. If you want to devote a lot of time to it, and you enjoy that sort of thing, it might be worthwhile, but it's wasn't ready for general use when I investigated it (with the intention of doing a simple audio editing system). I'm not a newbie, I've used Linux daily since 1996, but I'm not a developer. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 12:28:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RGPUP18962; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:25:15 -0400 From: JCalama@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1E9D78B5.1D98E032.00160401@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 207.88.200.37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Financial situations force me to part with my beloved Echoplex. It is the blackfaced newer model with version 4 software, memory is completely maxed out, warranty stuff was never filled in and I also have the foot controller, the warranty stuff for that was also not filled in. The unit is in like new condition and I even have the original boxes that both items were shipped to me in. Anyone interested can contact me at jcalama@aol.com Juan Calama From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 12:56:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RGp0B22085; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:51:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:51:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827165058.91933.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826144716.023d3c70@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > Just because something is beyond your budget doesn't mean it doesn't sell > well. The Echoplex price might be more than you can afford, yet at that > price they sold every single one they were able to make. That makes it > really difficult to understand how the price was too high. It's an easier > argument to say it was too low. Or to say that they didn't make enough. > >I base that on the ratio of people I hear talking about how cool the thing > >is and how many actually have one. > > That's sort of anecdotal. It's absolutely anecdotal. I don't do market survey studies on this, but I do talk to a lot of people, especially about things that I'm interested in. > Look at it this way. They put the product out in > the mid-90's. The sales have been good enough to support the company to > this day, as it is their only product. It's available in all the major > catalogs, it's in stores, and advertised in guitar magazines. In the > musical instrument industry, that's pretty successful. I've never seen one in a store. I've only seen it in one catalog (Musicians Friend), and then only recently. I've never seen anyone actually using one in person. Yeah, I know...anecdotal. > > As it is, the price alone relegates it to specialty market status. > > They only cost about $450! That's near the low end of music gear pricing. Not according to the catalogs I look at. I see lots of "low end" stuff that's pretty powerful these days. Of course, most are missing that "one trick" that this "one trick pony" provides. > Which part of "it sold out" isn't clear? They made all the ones they had > capacity to make. They all got sold. 100% capacity used, 100% sold. Very efficient, but that really doesn't say anything about the market. If I make 10 widgets and I sell them all for $1000, that doesn't mean I couldn't have sold 10,000 widgets at $500 if I'd made them. It also doesn't mean that I couldn't have sold 30 widgets at $1000 each, if I'd made that many. It only says I managed to find 10 people desperate enough for my widget to buy all I made at the price I sold it at. It doesn't speak to the rest of the market. > I guess I'm baffled how you reach that conclusion. Look at the prices of > other gear. Mid-range synths and samplers cost much more than the Echoplex. > High end gear in other categories costs WAY more. > > So here you have what many people consider a high-end looper in the > echoplex. The best there is in many people's eyes, and it costs $800. > Alright, fine, you have to get two for stereo, but that also gives you some > nice multi-loop functions. That's $1600 for a high-end stereo looper. Let's > compare to street prices of other top gear: > > Eventide Eclipse: $2000 > Eventide Orville: $5000 > Eventide DSP7000: $3400 > Korg Triton 88key: $3400 > Korg Triton rack: $1450 > Korg D16XD: $2000 > Yamaha dig piano: $3500 > Yamaha 9000: $3200 > Yamaha Motif 88key: $2800 > Yamaha AW2816: $1800 > Yamaha RS7000: $1400 > TC finalizer: $2400 > TC fireworx: $1760 > TC G-Force: $1440 > TC M3000: $1500 > Gibson Les Paul Custom: $3200 > Access Virus C $1500 > Nord Modular: $1450 > Roland VS2480 $3800 > roland V-Synth $2300 > roland Fantom s88: $2900 > roland xv-5080 $2000 > roland mc-909: $1500 > Kurzweil K2661: $2400 > Lexicon PCM-81: $2000 > Lexicon MPXG2: $1450 > > You see? It sits right in there pretty well. None of that stuff is > affordable for you, yet it all sells well. I don't think that's a fair comparison. With the exception of the Les Paul (a hand built craft item, not a mass produced piece of electronic gear), all those things perform more then one function. Do you think anyone would spend $1440 for a TC G-force if it only did delays? Apparently TC didn't, since they make the D-2, which sells for about $350. Likewise, with the exception of the Les Paul, they all employ current state of the art hardware technology, not stuff designed 15 years ago. re: repeater > It was advertised in Guitar player and keyboard for about a year before it > came out, and reviewed in all those magazines. And frankly, I think that was part of the problem. They advertised it too early, when it wasn't available, and people got tired of waiting and moved on. re: electrix scraps product line to produce repeater > it sounded like desperation to me. Liquidate everything in a last ditch > effort to get cash. Oh yeah, obviously. But again, that doesn't have anything to do with the market viability of their product, or the price they sold it at (which I thought was what we were discussing). It just says they were undercapitolized for the venture. > One major mistake they made, related to another thread, > is not realizing just how hard it is to develop a functional looper. They > had no idea what they were getting into and didn't devote enough resources > or time to it. So it was a year late, and they ran out of money. Yes, totally agreed. It obviously was a bigger effort then they had anticipated. > > > My > >observation from talking to people is that a lot of them really like the > >idea of > >an advanced looper until they hear the price. At that point they say something > >like "I think I can probably be happy enough with my DL4" or something > >like that. > > if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in > looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and > that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end > product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher > end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be > worth it to them. I'm just saying that people would like a few more features then the DL4, but without having to pay several hundred more dollars for them. There doesn't appear to be anything in that marketplace. Is it worth $600 to get a feedback control for your loop? One feature? I think there's a market for something with the looping capability of a DL4 or EchoPro with just another feature (feedback control) or so. If the Echo Pro had feedback, I'd have one already. As it is, that makes it a tough decision, since the rest of it looks pretty good, but it's lacking that one thing I really like. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 12:58:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RGtfW22890; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:55:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:55:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Cranky Kim Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:55:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c36cbc$08337f70$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20030827165058.91933.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ::: :::I've never seen one in a store. I've only seen it in one catalog :::(Musicians :::Friend), and then only recently. I've never seen anyone actually using :::one in :::person. Yeah, I know...anecdotal. ::: Rangs have been in the catalogs for years now. You probably just missed it or weren't looking for it. You can go to Guitar Center and check 'em out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 13:05:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RH3Fx25808; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:03:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:03:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827170309.14262.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c36cbc$08337f70$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- | SquidLoop | wrote: > ::: > :::I've never seen one in a store. I've only seen it in one catalog > :::(Musicians Friend), and then only recently. I've never seen anyone actually > using > :::one in person. Yeah, I know...anecdotal. > Rangs have been in the catalogs for years now. You probably just missed > it or weren't looking for it. You can go to Guitar Center and check 'em > out. I was talking about EDPs, did I get my context in that msg messed up? Sorry. I have definitely seen 'Rangs in catalogs for many years. Haven't ever seen one in a local music store though. I don't live near anywhere that has a Guitar Center or other superstore. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 13:44:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RHebn29956; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030827165058.91933.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Cranky Greg Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:40:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 17:40:31.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FA90CC0:01C36CC2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could we kill this thread? It's going nowhere, and we aren't going to convince Kim to selling us all $50 Echoplexes with these paper napkin arguments. We need something more powerful - perhaps we could feed his wolverines to the poor? bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Cranky Kim > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > > Just because something is beyond your budget doesn't mean it doesn't sell > > well. The Echoplex price might be more than you can afford, yet at that > > price they sold every single one they were able to make. That makes it > > really difficult to understand how the price was too high. It's an easier > > argument to say it was too low. > > Or to say that they didn't make enough. > > > >I base that on the ratio of people I hear talking about how cool the thing > > >is and how many actually have one. > > > > That's sort of anecdotal. > > It's absolutely anecdotal. I don't do market survey studies on this, but I do > talk to a lot of people, especially about things that I'm interested in. > > > Look at it this way. They put the product out in > > the mid-90's. The sales have been good enough to support the company to > > this day, as it is their only product. It's available in all the major > > catalogs, it's in stores, and advertised in guitar magazines. In the > > musical instrument industry, that's pretty successful. > > I've never seen one in a store. I've only seen it in one catalog (Musicians > Friend), and then only recently. I've never seen anyone actually using one in > person. Yeah, I know...anecdotal. > > > > As it is, the price alone relegates it to specialty market status. > > > > They only cost about $450! That's near the low end of music gear pricing. > > Not according to the catalogs I look at. I see lots of "low end" stuff that's > pretty powerful these days. Of course, most are missing that "one trick" that > this "one trick pony" provides. > > > Which part of "it sold out" isn't clear? They made all the ones they had > > capacity to make. They all got sold. 100% capacity used, 100% sold. > > Very efficient, but that really doesn't say anything about the market. If I make > 10 widgets and I sell them all for $1000, that doesn't mean I couldn't have sold > 10,000 widgets at $500 if I'd made them. It also doesn't mean that I couldn't > have sold 30 widgets at $1000 each, if I'd made that many. It only says I managed > to find 10 people desperate enough for my widget to buy all I made at the price I > sold it at. It doesn't speak to the rest of the market. > > > I guess I'm baffled how you reach that conclusion. Look at the prices of > > other gear. Mid-range synths and samplers cost much more than the Echoplex. > > High end gear in other categories costs WAY more. > > > > So here you have what many people consider a high-end looper in the > > echoplex. The best there is in many people's eyes, and it costs $800. > > Alright, fine, you have to get two for stereo, but that also gives you some > > nice multi-loop functions. That's $1600 for a high-end stereo looper. Let's > > compare to street prices of other top gear: > > > > Eventide Eclipse: $2000 > > Eventide Orville: $5000 > > Eventide DSP7000: $3400 > > Korg Triton 88key: $3400 > > Korg Triton rack: $1450 > > Korg D16XD: $2000 > > Yamaha dig piano: $3500 > > Yamaha 9000: $3200 > > Yamaha Motif 88key: $2800 > > Yamaha AW2816: $1800 > > Yamaha RS7000: $1400 > > TC finalizer: $2400 > > TC fireworx: $1760 > > TC G-Force: $1440 > > TC M3000: $1500 > > Gibson Les Paul Custom: $3200 > > Access Virus C $1500 > > Nord Modular: $1450 > > Roland VS2480 $3800 > > roland V-Synth $2300 > > roland Fantom s88: $2900 > > roland xv-5080 $2000 > > roland mc-909: $1500 > > Kurzweil K2661: $2400 > > Lexicon PCM-81: $2000 > > Lexicon MPXG2: $1450 > > > > You see? It sits right in there pretty well. None of that stuff is > > affordable for you, yet it all sells well. > > I don't think that's a fair comparison. With the exception of the Les Paul (a > hand built craft item, not a mass produced piece of electronic gear), all those > things perform more then one function. Do you think anyone would spend $1440 for > a TC G-force if it only did delays? Apparently TC didn't, since they make the > D-2, which sells for about $350. Likewise, with the exception of the Les Paul, > they all employ current state of the art hardware technology, not stuff designed > 15 years ago. > > re: repeater > > > It was advertised in Guitar player and keyboard for about a year before it > > came out, and reviewed in all those magazines. > > And frankly, I think that was part of the problem. They advertised it too early, > when it wasn't available, and people got tired of waiting and moved on. > > re: electrix scraps product line to produce repeater > > it sounded like desperation to me. Liquidate everything in a last ditch > > effort to get cash. > > Oh yeah, obviously. But again, that doesn't have anything to do with the market > viability of their product, or the price they sold it at (which I thought was > what we were discussing). It just says they were undercapitolized for the > venture. > > > One major mistake they made, related to another thread, > > is not realizing just how hard it is to develop a functional looper. They > > had no idea what they were getting into and didn't devote enough resources > > or time to it. So it was a year late, and they ran out of money. > > Yes, totally agreed. It obviously was a bigger effort then they had anticipated. > > > > > > My > > >observation from talking to people is that a lot of them really like the > > >idea of > > >an advanced looper until they hear the price. At that point they say something > > >like "I think I can probably be happy enough with my DL4" or something > > >like that. > > > > if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in > > looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and > > that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end > > product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher > > end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be > > worth it to them. > > I'm just saying that people would like a few more features then the DL4, but > without having to pay several hundred more dollars for them. There doesn't appear > to be anything in that marketplace. Is it worth $600 to get a feedback control > for your loop? One feature? I think there's a market for something with the > looping capability of a DL4 or EchoPro with just another feature (feedback > control) or so. If the Echo Pro had feedback, I'd have one already. As it is, > that makes it a tough decision, since the rest of it looks pretty good, but it's > lacking that one thing I really like. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 13:45:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RHhfr30293; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:43:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:43:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:41:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex pricing.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unless I read wrong (which is very possible!) a few posts here mention an Echoplex costing $450. Please tell me where I can find a new echoplex in stock for $450. Best price I have seen is $799 from MF and that is their "Guarenteed Lowest Price!!" (tm) Thanks for any/all help From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 13:58:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RHtaU31883; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:55:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:55:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex pricing.. Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:55:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c36cc4$672dcaf0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that was the Rang for $450 - this is getting very confusing isn't it :) But you may be able to get a better deal than MF through www.altomusic.com I got my blonde with controller for $700 from there - :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Legion [mailto:legion@helpwantedproductions.com] :::Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:41 AM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Echoplex pricing.. ::: ::: :::Unless I read wrong (which is very possible!) a few posts here mention an :::Echoplex costing $450. ::: :::Please tell me where I can find a new echoplex in stock for $450. Best :::price I have seen is $799 from MF and that is their "Guarenteed Lowest :::Price!!" (tm) ::: :::Thanks for any/all help ::: ::: ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 14:02:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RI0Db01422; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:00:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:00:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:00:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Posts X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, > People don't like being told they aren't the intended customer. Too right! Apparently whole countries can be "not the intended customer". I live in Denmark (for the geographically challenged, that's the little pointy bit sticking out the top of Germany). Last week I was in the largest music shop in the country to ask about the price of an EDP. For a start the salesman had never heard of the EDP. Hmm ... After showing him the Gibson/Echoplex website he promised to contact the importer for a price and get back to me. He phoned today to inform me that he was sorry, but since the country's only Gibson importer refused to import EDPs ("no demand"), he couldn't give me a price! Brilliant! He suggested I try and find one on the net ... Now the only European online shop, I've been able to find, that lists EDPs is in southern Germany and charges over €1300 a pop + transport and without the footpedal. That's well in excess of 1400 US dollars with no local support service! And you Yanks start snivelling 'cause you have to pay a paltry $800 for an EDP at your *local* dealer. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 14:15:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RI9No02690; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:09:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:09:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:10:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex pricing.. X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Legion, > Unless I read wrong (which is very possible!) a few posts here mention an > Echoplex costing $450. Yes, you read wrong. It's the Boomerang that costs $450 - actually $399 from MusicToyz.com. Sadly, they don't sell EDPs. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 15:15:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RJAjr11680; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:10:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.212.18.243] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex pricing.. Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:10:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 19:10:39.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[E709AE60:01C36CCE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Legion, I don't think they were saying that the Echoplex is $450. I think they were saying the Boomerang is $450. :) David Durian _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 15:57:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RJpcN15705; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.212.18.243] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:51:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 19:51:31.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D0605B0:01C36CD4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg, Nic, and Henry, Thanks for the info on these. Yeah, it certainly does sound like a crap shoot. I read some posts over on the electrix Web site (somewhat recent) about being able to get some over at newegg.com, but then I think I read on the Repeater users group that even ordering CFCs from that site has not been consistent--some work, some don't, it sounds like. Greg--yeah, I've read about the Hitachi controller before--I guess I was just hoping that maybe someone got lucky in the last few months, ordered some from a Web site somewhere, and they were found to consistently work. Thanks again, David Durian _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 16:02:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RJwu916518; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.150] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: Subject: FYI: [taptalk] FS: Digitech 2120 guitar preamp (2nd try!!!) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:58:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C36C9A.F537E3F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 19:58:49.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[A20164A0:01C36CD5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C36C9A.F537E3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all. This is a great peice of kit. Excellent looper too. Pity = there's no midi synch. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the = vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record = collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mrjwright@earthlink.net To: taptalk@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:52 AM Subject: [taptalk] FS: Digitech 2120 guitar preamp (2nd try!!!) FOR SALE: Digitech 2112 upgraded to 2120 processor. 2 rack space stereo guitar effects unit with tube and solid state guitar preamps that can be used simultaneously. Compression, distortion, up to 10 seconds of delay, chorus, flange, = reverb, wah, auto-wah, Whammy, pitch shifter, EQ, and much more all in one = package. Gold front panel. Excellent condition. Great tones. Comes with manual, original box, but no foot controller. It can use any = MIDI foot controller. $340 + shipping ALSO FOR SALE: Ibanez 6-string electric guitar Mahogany body painted orange/red, maple neck, rosewood fingerboard 3 pickups (2 single coil, 1 humbucker in bridge position) Floyd Rose Vibrato tailpiece & locking nut. Separate switch for each pickup, instead of one pickup switch. Hardshell case VGC $330 + shipping=20 Opcode Studio 3 MIDI interface $50 + shipping BBE Unimax model 401 sonic maximiser This is a mono unit, with low and hi impedance ins and outs. $50 + shipping Please contact me via this email address for more info or photos. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20 =20 =20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: taptalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C36C9A.F537E3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hey all. This is a great peice of kit. = Excellent=20 looper too. Pity there's no midi synch.
 
 
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: = mrjwright@earthlink.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:52 AM
Subject: [taptalk] FS: Digitech 2120 guitar preamp (2nd=20 try!!!)

FOR SALE:
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2=20 rack space stereo guitar effects unit with tube and solid state=20 guitar
preamps that can be used simultaneously.
Compression, = distortion,=20 up to 10 seconds of delay, chorus, flange, reverb,
wah, auto-wah, = Whammy,=20 pitch shifter, EQ, and much more all in one package.
Gold front=20 panel.
Excellent condition. Great tones.
Comes with manual, = original box,=20 but no foot controller. It can use any MIDI
foot controller.
$340 = +=20 shipping


ALSO FOR SALE:
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Mahogany body painted orange/red, maple neck, rosewood=20 fingerboard
3 pickups (2 single coil, 1 humbucker in bridge=20 position)
Floyd Rose Vibrato tailpiece & locking nut.
Separate = switch=20 for each pickup, instead of one pickup switch.
Hardshell = case
VGC
$330=20 + shipping

Opcode Studio 3 MIDI interface
$50 + = shipping

BBE=20 Unimax model 401 sonic maximiser
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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C36C9A.F537E3F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 16:15:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKBLU19503; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:11:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:11:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.2160fdda.2c7e6a54@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:11:00 EDT Subject: ambiloops- any users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4a.2160fdda.2c7e6a54_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4a.2160fdda.2c7e6a54_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could some kind loopy person tell me what's wrong with this one, and perhaps save me some trouble? Thanks in advance- Tim F --part1_4a.2160fdda.2c7e6a54_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could some kind loopy person tell me what's wrong with= this one, and perhaps save me some trouble?

Thanks in advance-

Tim F --part1_4a.2160fdda.2c7e6a54_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 16:17:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKEbv19783; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:14:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <150.2332bf2d.2c7e6b25@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:14:29 EDT Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_150.2332bf2d.2c7e6b25_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_150.2332bf2d.2c7e6b25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If any repeater user has a useless 128 or preferably 256 M CFC that they'd like to recoup some cash from- I need one for my digital camera- contact me off list? Please remember I'm a poor disabled person, who never buys anything. I know where to go to pay retail... Best, Tim In a message dated 8/26/03 6:15:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, henry@bagend.com writes: > I got one of these last week. I use the repeater to catch one track at a > time, not in stereo. Last night at band practice as I was trying to grab > the third or was it the fourth track, the display read SLOW CFC, and > would not take the sample. > > So there may be some issues with these. > > cheers, > > Henry > > Nic Roozeboom wrote: > >>From a little while back: > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: erika li > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:46 PM > >Subject: Repeater CFC Works! > > > > > >To those needing additional compact flash cards, CFC, for the electrix > >repeater, I have found one that works and correctly formats. > > > >SanDisk 256MB (CompactFlash version). I purchased it at Costco for $64, > >a great price for 256MB. > > > >good looping! > >erika > > > > > > > >>From: Greg House > >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater > >>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >>--- David Durian wrote: > >>>Anybody gone to look for CFCs (like, within the last 3 or 4 months) for > >>>Repeater lately? Anybody have any luck finding any 128 or 256 ones > >>that work > >>>well with Repeater? > >> > >>I've been casually looking, but nobody can identify working ones any > >>more. I > >>bought a SimpleTech 256MB (which Electrix used to recommend) from Sams > >>about a > >>month ago, and the Repeater would format it, but it wouldn't record or > >>play using > >>it. Sams was kind enough to let me return the card, most places aren't. > >> > >>At this point, you could spend a LOT of money buying cards in hopes > >>they have a > >>controller fast enough for the Repeater to use, but it's apparently a > >>crap shoot > >>whether you get one that'll work or not. > >> > >>Greg > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > >>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > --part1_150.2332bf2d.2c7e6b25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If any repeater user has a useless 128 or preferably 2= 56 M CFC that they'd like to recoup some cash from- I need one for my digita= l camera- contact me off list?

Please remember I'm a poor disabled person, who never buys anything. I know=20= where to go to pay retail...

Best,

Tim



In a message dated 8/26/03 6:15:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, henry@bagend.co= m writes:

I got one of these last week. I= use the repeater to catch one track at a
time, not in stereo. Last night at band practice as I was trying to grab the third or was it the fourth track, the display read SLOW CFC, and
would not take the sample.

So there may be some issues with these.

cheers,

Henry

Nic Roozeboom wrote:
>>From a little while back:
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: erika li
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:46 PM
>Subject: Repeater CFC Works!
>
>
>To those needing additional compact flash cards, CFC, for the electrix <= BR> >repeater, I have found one that works and correctly formats.
>
>SanDisk 256MB (CompactFlash version).  I purchased it at Costco for= $64,
>a great price for 256MB.
>
>good looping!
>erika
>
>
>
>>From: Greg House <ghunicycle@yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: 128 or 256 MB CFCs for Repeater
>>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>--- David Durian <daviddurian@msn.com> wrote:
>>>Anybody gone to look for CFCs (like, within the last 3 or 4 mont= hs) for
>>>Repeater lately? Anybody have any luck finding any 128 or 256 on= es
>>that work
>>>well with Repeater?
>>
>>I've been casually looking, but nobody can identify working ones any=
>>more. I
>>bought a SimpleTech 256MB (which Electrix used to recommend) from Sa= ms
>>about a
>>month ago, and the Repeater would format it, but it wouldn't record=20= or
>>play using
>>it. Sams was kind enough to let me return the card, most places aren= 't.
>>
>>At this point, you could spend a LOT of money buying cards in hopes=20=
>>they have a
>>controller fast enough for the Repeater to use, but it's apparently=20= a
>>crap shoot
>>whether you get one that'll work or not.
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>__________________________________
>>Do you Yahoo!?
>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection.  
>http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus




 --part1_150.2332bf2d.2c7e6b25_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 16:23:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKIgx20954; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:18:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:18:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.3d2edd9c.2c7e6bfe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:18:06 EDT Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.3d2edd9c.2c7e6bfe_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9b.3d2edd9c.2c7e6bfe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The planet Mercury is in retrograde motion for a couple weeks- expect=20 misunderstandings and communication problems. Also, travel plans are likely=20= to get=20 changed unexpectedly. Karnak PS not a joke! In a message dated 8/26/03 6:30:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Geeeze Louise! >=20 > Will everybody just please take a break! > We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's=20 > at least try acting like it. Granted, there=20 > are some strong opinions and personalities=20 > involved but, as Rodney King put it once: > "Why can't we all just get along?"=20 >=20 > I am getting a little weary of the little=20 > "pissing contests" that seem to be taking=20 > over the list all to often lately. Last time=20 > I checked we were no where near a full=20 > moon. Why all the loony behavior? >=20 > With respect, >=20 > tEd =AE kiLLiAn >=20 --part1_9b.3d2edd9c.2c7e6bfe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The planet Mercury is in retrograde motion for a coupl= e weeks- expect misunderstandings and communication problems. Also, travel p= lans are likely to get changed unexpectedly.

Karnak

PS not a joke!


In a message dated 8/26/03 6:30:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.= com writes:

Geeeze Louise!

Will everybody just please take a break!
We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's
at least try acting like it. Granted, there
are some strong opinions and personalities
involved but, as Rodney King put it once:
"Why can't we all just get along?"

I am getting a little weary of the little
"pissing contests" that seem to be taking
over the list all to often lately. Last time
I checked we were no where near a full
moon. Why all the loony behavior?

With respect,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn


 --part1_9b.3d2edd9c.2c7e6bfe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 16:26:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKNa622631; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:23:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <93.3249066e.2c7e6d2d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:23:09 EDT Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_93.3249066e.2c7e6d2d_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <0EQc5D.A.ehF.INRT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_93.3249066e.2c7e6d2d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd have 5 of every looper discussed on this board, and a spare, if I could... In a message dated 8/26/03 7:44:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, daviddurian@msn.com writes: > I think Kim makes a point that is probably "right on" for a vast majority > of > most people into looping in a lot of ways: > > "if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in > looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and > that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end > product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher > end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be worth > > it to them." > > How many people here on the list bought the EDP as their first looper, > without first being introduced to it through some other looper first > (boomerang, DL4, Jam Man, etc)? I could be overgeneralizing here, but it > seems like most of the posts I've read from people state that they started > looping on something else first . . . > > At least some portion of us started looping in the early 90s, right? And > what would we have probably started with--the Jam Man right? Over time, some > > of us moved to the EDP, either directly from the Jam Man or maybe through > some others (boomerang) or to the Repeater. > > That's true for me, who started on the Jam Man, then got 2 for stereo, then > finally, after nearly 10 years, moved to 2 Echoplexes (and now a Repeater, > too). And I know it's true for Mark S, because I've talked to him about it. > He was a Jam Man guy who moved to Repeater. > > The point is . . . I think Kim is correct in what he is saying about the > "market share" for the EDP. It's not really meant to be your first looper. > It's something you "grow into" once you start on other machines. If you find > > those machines too limiting or you don't like the quirks of the some of them > > (like some people feel about Repeater, for example), or if you're like me > and decided you wanted to make some changes to your overall approach to > looping, then you move in to the EDP. > > Sure, I can agree with a lot of people that maybe the EDP is a bit > pricey--hell, I bought two brand new, so I know what it means to pay for > them--but it really is the best tool on the market right now in terms of > full function, real time looping. > > I think it really has to come down to a question for the user--do you truly > need the EDP to make your art, or will your (insert looper here) suffice? > And if it doesn't suffice, and you really do want to make your art using > it--can you live without something else? Do you need three sound effects > processors or could you get by with 2? Do you need 2 synths or synth > modules, or is 1 enough? > > I just recently went through all this--I had to make some real tough > choices--I've updated most of my gear over the last 3 months and did almost > all of it (except buying the echoplexes) buying gear through Ebay used. > > And so I decided to look hard at everything I had accumulated since I began > playing at 13 and went with the credo "what can I live without--what is > truly at the core of what I need to make music?" It took me a few months to > decide, and then I went for it. > > And I traded a whole bunch of gear that I got over a 15 year period > basically--I sold stuff and managed to stay within the range of what I > brought in from sales to buy new equipment, which is why I'm saying I traded > > it. > > But it took me doing that soul searching to make it all make sense. And for > me, that's how it all finally came together. In terms of my musical life, > that's how I was able to determine my priorities. > > I guess what I am trying to say is--if you want it to be so--if you want > that EDP or 2 EDPs, you can do it. You just have to decide if it truly is > vitally important to you or not. > > And I'm not just saying this all to be a "Kim" cheerleader or anything. I > was offended by his comments about poor people, too. But, as Rick said, we > all have to learn to get along and respect each other, even if we disagree. > Otherwise, why be on this list? > > But when the man is right, well, I respect him enough to say so. > > Just some thoughts, > > the other David :) > --part1_93.3249066e.2c7e6d2d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd have 5 of every looper discussed on this board, an= d a spare, if I could...


In a message dated 8/26/03 7:44:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, daviddurian@msn= .com writes:

I think Kim makes a point that=20= is probably "right on" for a vast majority of
most people into looping in a lot of ways:

"if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in
looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be worth=
it to them."

How many people here on the list bought the EDP as their first looper,
without first being introduced to it through some other looper first
(boomerang, DL4, Jam Man, etc)? I could be overgeneralizing here, but it seems like most of the posts I've read from people state that they started <= BR> looping on something else first . . .

At least some portion of us started looping in the early 90s, right? And what would we have probably started with--the Jam Man right? Over time, some=
of us moved to the EDP, either directly from the Jam Man or maybe through some others (boomerang) or to the Repeater.

That's true for me, who started on the Jam Man, then got 2 for stereo, then=20=
finally, after nearly 10 years, moved to 2 Echoplexes (and now a Repeater, <= BR> too). And I know it's true for Mark S, because I've talked to him about it.=20=
He was a Jam Man guy who moved to Repeater.

The point is . . . I think Kim is correct in what he is saying about the "market share" for the EDP. It's not really meant to be your first looper. <= BR> It's something you "grow into" once you start on other machines. If you find=
those machines too limiting or you don't like the quirks of the some of them=
(like some people feel about Repeater, for example), or if you're like me and decided you wanted to make some changes to your overall approach to
looping, then you move in to the EDP.

Sure, I can agree with a lot of people that maybe the EDP is a bit
pricey--hell, I bought two brand new, so I know what it means to pay for them--but it really is the best tool on the market right now in terms of full function, real time looping.

I think it really has to come down to a question for the user--do you truly=20=
need the EDP to make your art, or will your (insert looper here) suffice? And if it doesn't suffice, and you really do want to make your art using it--can you live without something else? Do you need three sound effects processors or could you get by with 2? Do you need 2 synths or synth
modules, or is 1 enough?

I just recently went through all this--I had to make some real tough
choices--I've updated most of my gear over the last 3 months and did almost=20=
all of it (except buying the echoplexes) buying gear through Ebay used.

And so I decided to look hard at everything I had accumulated since I began=20=
playing at 13 and went with the credo "what can I live without--what is
truly at the core of what I need to make music?" It took me a few months to=20=
decide, and then I went for it.

And I traded a whole bunch of gear that I got over a 15 year period
basically--I sold stuff and managed to stay within the range of what I
brought in from sales to buy new equipment, which is why I'm saying I traded=
it.

But it took me doing that soul searching to make it all make sense. And for=20=
me, that's how it all finally came together. In terms of my musical life, that's how I was able to determine my priorities.

I guess what I am trying to say is--if you want it to be so--if you want that EDP or 2 EDPs, you can do it. You just have to decide if it truly is vitally important to you or not.

And I'm not just saying this all to be a "Kim" cheerleader or anything. I was offended by his comments about poor people, too. But, as Rick said, we <= BR> all have to learn to get along and respect each other, even if we disagree.=20=
Otherwise, why be on this list?

But when the man is right, well, I respect him enough to say so.

Just some thoughts,

the other David :)


 --part1_93.3249066e.2c7e6d2d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 16:28:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKKWa21703; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:20:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:20:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <124.25320dc9.2c7e6c8b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:20:27 EDT Subject: Re: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_124.25320dc9.2c7e6c8b_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_124.25320dc9.2c7e6c8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I could afford a BMW I'd still drive a Honda- better yet, a hybrid. In a message dated 8/26/03 6:56:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > >>Sure, and those the people who drive Hondas and not BMW's. > > I dunno, man. I drive a Honda and I have an EDP. And a G-Force, come > to think of it (another item from your list). Hmm...guess I don't fit > the mold. :) > > Jeff <--who also happens to think it's ridiculous (at the very least) > that people piss away so much money on things as silly as BMWs and > other luxury cars. ;) > > --part1_124.25320dc9.2c7e6c8b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I could afford a BMW I'd still drive a Honda- bette= r yet, a hybrid.


In a message dated 8/26/03 6:56:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcshirke@midway= .uchicago.edu writes:

>>Sure, and those the peo= ple who drive Hondas and not BMW's.

I dunno, man. I drive a Honda and I have an EDP. And a G-Force, come
to think of it (another item from your list). Hmm...guess I don't fit
the mold. :)

Jeff <--who also happens to think it's ridiculous (at the very least) that people piss away so much money on things as silly as BMWs and
other luxury cars. ;)



 --part1_124.25320dc9.2c7e6c8b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 16:33:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKTfP24085; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:29:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:29:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827202939.86187.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Cranky Greg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- sserendipity wrote: > Could we kill this thread? It's going nowhere, and we aren't going to > convince Kim to selling us all $50 Echoplexes with these paper napkin > arguments. Gee, I didn't FEEL cranky when I wrote that stuff. It's just a discussion, man. I have an opinion, others have theirs. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 16:51:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKlMI26223; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:47:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:47:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.e333b29.2c7e72d2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:47:14 EDT Subject: Re: SOLIENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c2.e333b29.2c7e72d2_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c2.e333b29.2c7e72d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is THAT what that aftertaste is? Chuck --part1_1c2.e333b29.2c7e72d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is THAT what that aftertaste is?


Chuck --part1_1c2.e333b29.2c7e72d2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 16:55:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKqKA26794; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:52:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:52:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:52:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Cranky Dissy Threads From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9b.3d2edd9c.2c7e6bfe@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3144847939_432834" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3144847939_432834 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Not to mention the god of war is closer than ever... T. On 8/27/03 4:18 PM, "Fsksync@aol.com" wrote: > The planet Mercury is in retrograde motion for a couple weeks- expect > misunderstandings and communication problems. Also, travel plans are like= ly to > get changed unexpectedly. >=20 > Karnak >=20 > PS not a joke! >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 8/26/03 6:30:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: >=20 >> Geeeze Louise! >>=20 >> Will everybody just please take a break! >> We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's >> at least try acting like it. Granted, there >> are some strong opinions and personalities >> involved but, as Rodney King put it once: >> "Why can't we all just get along?" >>=20 >> I am getting a little weary of the little >> "pissing contests" that seem to be taking >> over the list all to often lately. Last time >> I checked we were no where near a full >> moon. Why all the loony behavior? >>=20 >> With respect, >>=20 >> tEd =AE kiLLiAn >=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3144847939_432834 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Cranky Dissy Threads Not to mention the god of war is closer than ever...
T.

On 8/27/03 4:18 PM, "Fsksync@aol.com" <Fsksync@aol.com> wro= te:

The planet Mercury is = in retrograde motion for a couple weeks- expect misunderstandings and commun= ication problems. Also, travel plans are likely to get changed unexpectedly.=

Karnak

PS not a joke!


In a message dated 8/26/03 6:30:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol= .com writes:

Geeeze Louise!<= BR>
Will everybody just please take a break!
We are all grown ups here (I think). Let's
at least try acting like it. Granted, there
are some strong opinions and personalities
involved but, as Rodney King put it once:
"Why can't we all just get along?"

I am getting a little weary of the little
"pissing contests" that seem to be taking
over the list all to often lately. Last time
I checked we were no where near a full
moon. Why all the loony behavior?

With respect,

tEd ® kiLLiAn




 --B_3144847939_432834-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 17:00:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKcNI25342; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:37:41 EDT Subject: SOLIENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a7.352b065b.2c7e7095_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a7.352b065b.2c7e7095_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/03 2:00:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, iep@mail.dk writes: > And you Yanks start snivelling mars?.....and everyone wonders why i don't leave my room.....:)m --part1_a7.352b065b.2c7e7095_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/27/0= 3 2:00:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, iep@mail.dk writes:


And you Yanks start snivelling=20=


mars?.....and everyone wonders why i don't leave my room.....:)m --part1_a7.352b065b.2c7e7095_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 17:01:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RKwlC27720; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:58:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:58:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:58:27 -0700 Subject: Re: recent favorite Loping CDs... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002a01c36c3f$cb9b5500$12ffa344@hppav> Message-Id: <34C6ADB2-D8D1-11D7-8482-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I have definitely been enjoying Matthias Grob's new CD. I am looking forward to Andre's new one and have been digging a CD from Darin Schaffer. www.darinschaffer.com I came across Mr. Schaffer one day as he was playing out of his van in front of Haight Ashbury music on Haight St. He had a bass, some other effects and at least one, maybe two Echoplexi. He was playing through a little amp or PA system but had a fantastic sound going considering the environment. Frankly Andre has so many tracks available as downloads, I could spend months just soaking them up. Hopefully 2003 will still see the release of a new Splattercell CD. On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 07:06 PM, David wrote: > Question -- in 2003, what cool new music have people been checking out > containing a high proportion of performance-based looping (as opposed > to > studio clips that are sequenced/sampled...)??? > > Kranky Kirkdorffer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 17:04:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RL1tY29656; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:01:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:01:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3F0B3FA800022BCE@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4a.2160fdda.2c7e6a54@aol.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: ambiloops- any users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7RL1sW29629 Resent-Message-ID: <9Jd1R.A.PPH.CxRT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, I'm kinda biased (I do all the midi development in ambiloop), so I can't really comment on this, but there are a few people (80 or so) signed up on the ambiloop group at yahoo who might have some feedback for you... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: Fsksync@aol.com >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:11:00 EDT >Subject: ambiloops- any users? >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Could some kind loopy person tell me what's wrong with this one, and perhaps > >save me some trouble? > >Thanks in advance- > >Tim F From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 17:07:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RL1hf29575; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:01:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:01:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:01:40 -0700 Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: nathan pease To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <374EC380-D7E5-11D7-A850-000393CE40C6@yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, totally seamless. n On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 09:49 AM, nathan pease wrote: > that's a good question. I'll have to load up the 'ol patch tonight > and check it out to be sure. > In the meantime, I'll say I *think* I could do what you're asking. > I've managed to set it up so that I don't get problems with > clicks/gaps while I play grooves (fwiw I'm a bass player), and I must > end up playing over the bar line (and that is to say, the record end > point) sometimes - even on the initial pass. Also, thinking about the > way it works it shouldn't be a problem: it writes values in a buffer > up to the very last sample position and then writes the next value > into the first sample position and continues writing samples over the > now existing buffer. when it plays back it draws from the last sample > and the first sample the later immediately after the former, same as > it was recorded. Provided there's no pause or glitch on either record > or playback, there should be no problem. Provided that theory is > correct, it's all a matter of design after that. > I'll test the theory tonight. > > nathan > > On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 01:30 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >>> >> >> thanks for that Nathan, >> is that totally seamless though? >> i.e. you keep playing a sustained note while hitting the >> "ends record and leaves the looper in overdub" button, >> and on playback there's no gap/click in the note. >> >> sorry, have to ask >> >> >> andy butler >> >> > >>> I've done this in max/msp. it could be left in overdub after setting >>> the loop's end point or not depending on how the program ("patch") >>> was >>> set up. if I was so inclined I could set up 2 buttons, one that >>> ends >>> record and leaves the looper in overdub, and one that takes it out >>> of >>> overdub. >>> >>> -nathan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 17:45:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RLacq02478; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:36:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:36:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:36:31 -0700 Subject: Re: What it means to build vs. play... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: a279c943 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8606B2AA-D8D6-11D7-A785-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem with the car analogy is that many people need a car to get to work or for other reasons. No one really needs a looper. On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 07:12 AM, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: > > << >> I think it's better to think of Reaktor like one would think of a >> modular >> synth, not like buildling a Stratocaster from scratch. > > I compare it to cars. > > There are some people who build their cars entirely from scratch. > (snip) >> > > The car/guitar analogy is very apt...at least it matches my > relationship > with either, except that since I can afford to customize my guitar more > easily than my car (and actually want to), I did so....and once I got > it > right, I lost interest in having any other guitars (which I think puts > me > in a very obvious minority among guitarists!). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 18:00:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RLu4k05057; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:56:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:56:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:55:25 -0700 Subject: Re: recent favorite Loping CDs... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <34C6ADB2-D8D1-11D7-8482-000A95864C54@mac.com> Message-Id: <29D8298E-D8D9-11D7-8482-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0vjok.A.5OB.0jST_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also, heavy rotation from a band called Telectu. This is a duo from Portugal, and they seem to be largely unknown outside of certain European jazz circles. Not strictly looping music, but to my ears there seems to be quite a bit on albums like Evil Metal and Theremin Tao. The guitarist part of the duo, Victor Rua, plays this mutant 18 string midified geetar. Practically the only place to find Telectu CD's is Chris Cutler's ReR Megacorp or if you are lucky enough to live in Manhattan, Downtown Music Gallery. http://www.rermegacorp.com/ Probably the best English profile of Telectu is here; http://www.atlanticwaves.org.uk/2001/Telectu.htm Picture of Victor Rua and his guitar; http://w1.311.telia.com/~u31114337/diarypics/VitorRua.jpg On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 01:58 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > Well I have definitely been enjoying Matthias Grob's new CD. I am > looking forward to Andre's new one and have been digging a CD from > Darin Schaffer. > > www.darinschaffer.com > > I came across Mr. Schaffer one day as he was playing out of his van > in front of Haight Ashbury music on Haight St. He had a bass, some > other effects and at least one, maybe two Echoplexi. He was playing > through a little amp or PA system but had a fantastic sound going > considering the environment. > > Frankly Andre has so many tracks available as downloads, I could > spend months just soaking them up. Hopefully 2003 will still see the > release of a new Splattercell CD. > > > > > On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 07:06 PM, David wrote: > >> Question -- in 2003, what cool new music have people been checking out >> containing a high proportion of performance-based looping (as opposed >> to >> studio clips that are sequenced/sampled...)??? >> >> Kranky Kirkdorffer >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 18:02:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RLwD305277; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c36ce6$4d136360$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3F0B3FA800022BCE@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ambiloops- any users? Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:57:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm gonna download the latest beta and have a look-see... but for the list - could you clarify - does AmbiLoop follow MIDI clock and use it for setting loop lengths and quantized operations? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Roberts" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: RE: ambiloops- any users? > Tim, > > I'm kinda biased (I do all the midi development in ambiloop), so I can't > really comment on this, but there are a few people (80 or so) signed up > on the ambiloop group at yahoo who might have some feedback for you... :) > > peace > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: Fsksync@aol.com > >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:11:00 EDT > >Subject: ambiloops- any users? > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Could some kind loopy person tell me what's wrong with this one, and perhaps > > > >save me some trouble? > > > >Thanks in advance- > > > >Tim F > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 18:03:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RLxU006919; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02f001c36ce6$51842b00$4a62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308272026.h7RKQNi23289@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:58:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, Much as I disagree with Kim's point of view (even to the point of feeling triggered and getting angry by it) I realize that we are not our emotions. We merely have them and if we feel them fully they pass through us and don't control us. I think it is perfectly okay to get angry and express it, because it helps one from stuffing feelings which really lead to dysfunctional behaviour. The fact of the matter is that I have pissed Kim off in the past and he has pissed me off in the past. I still think of him as my friend. I hope he still thinks of me as a friend. My working definition of intimacy is having the ability to share both positive and negative feelings with someone who you are friends or lovers or family with.....................and always agreeing to meet on the other side with a new appreciation of that person. Someone once said, "You cannot truly love what you don't know." Consequently, I think this thread on the economics of the EDP has been fascinating, stimulating, adrenalin producing and a good thing. To me it's all good as long as we are not abusive with each other. The only thing I really regret at all is that much of the thread has been titled 'Cranky Kim'. I know he probably isn't at all fazed by this and, knowing him a little, he probably even gets some perverse glee out of it, but I think we'll be the most productive if we keep the personalities out of it and stick to the ideas. next pertinent question: Why can't the Europeans get the EDP and at a comparable price? my two cents, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 18:21:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RMGUJ09625; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:16:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:16:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:16:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3F0B3FA800022CB1@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000d01c36ce6$4d136360$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: ambiloops- any users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7RMGTW09595 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, 'not today'... :) I am nearing the end of the new midi input mapping system, which will allow for more robust use of midi in controlling ambiloop. The actual architecture has been done for a while, but I have been working (and reworking) the UI (not my area of expertise) for manipulating the new features... Once this is complete I will be starting the work on MIDI clock support.. peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Doug Cox" >To: >Subject: Re: ambiloops- any users? >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:57:58 -0500 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >I'm gonna download the latest beta and have a look-see... but for the list >- >could you clarify - does AmbiLoop follow MIDI clock and use it for setting >loop lengths and quantized operations? > >Doug >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Roberts" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:01 PM >Subject: RE: ambiloops- any users? > > >> Tim, >> >> I'm kinda biased (I do all the midi development in ambiloop), so I can't >> really comment on this, but there are a few people (80 or so) signed up >> on the ambiloop group at yahoo who might have some feedback for you... >:) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >> >-- Original Message -- >> >From: Fsksync@aol.com >> >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:11:00 EDT >> >Subject: ambiloops- any users? >> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> > >> >Could some kind loopy person tell me what's wrong with this one, and >perhaps >> > >> >save me some trouble? >> > >> >Thanks in advance- >> > >> >Tim F >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 18:23:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RMHvL09783; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:17:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:17:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <137.2430afcb.2c7e8808@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:17:44 EDT Subject: Re: ambiloops- any users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_137.2430afcb.2c7e8808_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_137.2430afcb.2c7e8808_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm *sorry* (more people should learn to say that simple word) about the tone of that remark (Mercury, planet of communication+ Mars), I'm on the ambi list- I was just looking for some practical-experience type feedback, especially if there's *one* aspect of the program that would kill it for my purposes (I work in some strange ways). I don't see much info coming through the list, and have terminal AOL problems that keep corrupting my browser so I can't get beyond my email shell most of the time :( so web searching ain't happening lately. If it looked like the ambi would work for me I'd slap together a dedicated low-power pc, but I just don't have enough info to know whether it would be worth the effort. So many of the looping devices discussed here seem to get 99% of the way to perfection and then stumble on some point. So, I'll ask again- any ambiloop users on this list? And what has using the program meant to you? Best, Tim In a message dated 8/27/03 2:02:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > Tim, > > I'm kinda biased (I do all the midi development in ambiloop), so I can't > really comment on this, but there are a few people (80 or so) signed up > on the ambiloop group at yahoo who might have some feedback for you... :) > > peace > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: Fsksync@aol.com > >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:11:00 EDT > >Subject: ambiloops- any users? > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Could some kind loopy person tell me what's wrong with this one, and > perhaps > > > >save me some trouble? > > > >Thanks in advance- > > > >Tim F > > > --part1_137.2430afcb.2c7e8808_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm *sorry* (more people should learn to say that simple word) about the ton= e of that remark (Mercury, planet of communication+ Mars), I'm on the ambi l= ist- I was just looking for some practical-experience type feedback, especia= lly if there's *one* aspect of the program that would kill it for my purpose= s (I work in some strange ways). I don't see much info coming through the li= st, and have terminal AOL problems that keep corrupting my browser so I can'= t get beyond my email shell most of the time :( so web searching ain't happe= ning lately. If it looked like the ambi would work for me I'd slap together=20= a dedicated low-power pc, but I just don't have enough info to know whether=20= it would be worth the effort. So many of the looping devices discussed here=20= seem to get 99% of the way to perfection and then stumble on some point.

So, I'll ask again- any ambiloop users on this list? And what has using the=20= program meant to you?

Best,

Tim

In a message dated 8/27/03 2:02:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.co= m writes:

Tim,

I'm kinda biased (I do all the midi development in ambiloop), so I can't
really comment on this, but there are a few people (80 or so) signed up
on the ambiloop group at yahoo who might have some feedback for you... :)
peace
-cpr

>-- Original Message --
>From: Fsksync@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:11:00 EDT
>Subject: ambiloops- any users?
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
>Could some kind loopy person tell me what's wrong with this one, and per= haps
>
>save me some trouble?
>
>Thanks in advance-
>
>Tim F




 --part1_137.2430afcb.2c7e8808_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 18:26:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RMM9210434; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:22:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:22:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4D2F1D.5040109@biink.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:22:21 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: NYC: 8/30/2003 -> Electric Ambient Tuba & Microtonal Just Intonation guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1NP2s.A.5iC.R8ST_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NYC: 8/30/2003 -> Electric Ambient Tuba & Microtonal Just Intonation guitar TOM HEASLEY Electric Ambient Tuba from Los Angeles DAVID BEARDSLEY Microtonal Just Intonation guitar echoes, loops, drones and minimalism. Saturday, August 30, 2003 8 p.m. at The Three Jewels 211 East 5th Street, (between 2nd and 3rd Avenues), N.Y.C., N.Y. 10003 Donations to Three Jewels welcome (212) 475-6650, http://www.threejewels.org Solo, duo and maybe even a special guest? "...a rich and sonorous aural experience that flies in the face of all the dumb cliches about what tuba music is." - Richard Zvonar, Ph.D "i love tom's music; if you don't go to hear him when ya can, well..... your loss!" - david torn / splattercell "Beardsley played his maxi-fretted guitar through a volume pedal, a looping device and other effects to create swirling layers of meditative droning. Throbbing close tones made it a vibration-oriented experience." - Josef Woodard, LA Times "Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods.... clearly - in its glacial tension and release it offered the essential outlines of symphonic form, stripped of surface detail." - Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, New York City http://www.tomheasley.com/ http://biink.com/db -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 18:35:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RMWwC12025; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: ambiloops- any users? Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:32:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C36CB0.79E1F040" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <4a.2160fdda.2c7e6a54@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C36CB0.79E1F040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am on the list but too busy to use the program (!) If you are curious, join the list. ambiloop@yahoogroups.com Chris Roberts is a nice guy. Maybe someday I will get off my lazy ass and try the damned thing. Best, [Clayton Gary Lehmann -----Original Message----- From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ambiloops- any users? Could some kind loopy person tell me what's wrong with this one, and perhaps save me some trouble? Thanks in advance- Tim F ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C36CB0.79E1F040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am=20 on the list but too busy to use the program (!)
If you=20 are curious, join the list.
ambiloop@yahoogroups.com
Chris=20 Roberts is a nice guy.
Maybe=20 someday I will get off my lazy ass and try the damned = thing.
Best,=20

[Clayton Gary Lehmann

 -----Original Message-----
From: = Fsksync@aol.com=20 [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:11 = PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 ambiloops- any users?

Could some kind loopy person tell me what's wrong = with this=20 one, and perhaps save me some trouble?

Thanks in = advance-

Tim=20 F
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C36CB0.79E1F040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 18:36:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RMVm311871; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:31:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030827223147.36522.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02f001c36ce6$51842b00$4a62f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > I think it is perfectly okay to get angry and express it, Sure, I agree. FWIW, I don't know about anyone else, but I haven't been angry through the entire discourse. From reading Kim's posts, I didn't think he was either. > To me it's all good as long as we are not abusive with each other. Agreed. That's why I don't understand why people are getting upset about the ongoing discussion. There a lot of crazy emotional discussions on here which are completely and utterly offtopic, at least this one was about looping equipment! I didn't see any personal attacks happening, just some disagreement about market size, production runs, and price potentials. Further, FWIW, I don't remember if I already said this or not, but I honestly think the EDP is a cool box. I'd like to see more people have the ability to get into it. That's the perspective I'm coming into that discussion from. I might even like to have one myself, I don't know, but getting the price down to something -I'd- personally like to spend really wasn't what I was thinking about. I used myself as an example, since I went through the product decision process awhile back. > The only thing I really regret > at all is that much of the thread has been titled 'Cranky Kim'. Yeah, that's kind of an ugly poke that he doesn't need. Besides, how is someone going to find it in the archives with such a poorly representative title? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 18:49:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7RMjEr13967; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:53:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Resent-Message-ID: <1hmJgB.A.HaD.6RTT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know about you but I've found a name for my new post-grunge neo- apocalyptic fusion metal band. KRANKY KIM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 20:55:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S0pcS30594; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:51:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 6c6a86d5 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030827165058.91933.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3ggAUD.A.3dH.aIVT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this points to the crux of this argument. Well spoken Greg. However, the issue is, properly marketed (which I don't think a looper ever has been) how many EDPs could one sell? Loopers are so amazing to all of us that I think we forget the non looping public has no interest. I can't help but think if they were properly ordained, they'd flip out and almost everyone would have one in their rack (or floor) On the other hand, maybe we're freaks and the issue is most musicians wouldn't buy an EDP even if it was $100 Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 09:50 AM, Greg House wrote: >> Which part of "it sold out" isn't clear? They made all the ones they >> had >> capacity to make. They all got sold. 100% capacity used, 100% sold. > > Very efficient, but that really doesn't say anything about the market. > If I make > 10 widgets and I sell them all for $1000, that doesn't mean I couldn't > have sold > 10,000 widgets at $500 if I'd made them. It also doesn't mean that I > couldn't > have sold 30 widgets at $1000 each, if I'd made that many. It only > says I managed > to find 10 people desperate enough for my widget to buy all I made at > the price I > sold it at. It doesn't speak to the rest of the market. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 21:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S1GtC01954; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:16:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:16:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:16:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 67b362f8 aee23e9e 1aa65eca 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c36cbc$08337f70$01b52b04@purgatory> Message-Id: <4C4EB372-D8F5-11D7-A785-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_fQNmD.A.ae.GgVT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is actually a good point about EDPs too. I've worked music retail and have been a musician for 24 years and I've seen an EDP only twice (I bought one of them) in a music store. (one at Height Asbury Music with a $1200 price tag on it and the one I bought at Banana's At Large in San Rafael, CA) Some of the places I've shopped are pretty high end little shops. Why isn't the EDP in more stores? My guess is because the store owners don't think that they could sell an audio looping device for what the EDP sells for. They agree with me, or they'd stock them and have their sales people push them. So I didn't make this up. Most of the other things on Kim's list I see in stores all the time. Hmmmmmm. I may not know more than Kim about hardware and getting a piece of it manufactured, but I'm sure of this. I know retail much better than most. If you can sell as many EDPs as you can make, why lower the price? Makes sense. But consider this: What if EDPs were *actually* in stores and Gibson did something to advertise and market them? What might happen then? We'll probably never know. My guess is that things like Reaktor will take off and that will be the introduction to most new loopers. If people start posting their Reaktor looping patches it will be an easy in for most computer based musicians. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 09:55 AM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > ::: > :::I've never seen one in a store. I've only seen it in one catalog > :::(Musicians > :::Friend), and then only recently. I've never seen anyone actually > using > :::one in > :::person. Yeah, I know...anecdotal. > ::: > > Rangs have been in the catalogs for years now. You probably just missed > it or weren't looking for it. You can go to Guitar Center and check 'em > out. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 21:20:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S1G1M01816; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:15:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2003 01:15:54.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED7E2D10:01C36D01] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some people drive triucks, some people drive cars, some people drive motorcyles, some rides bikes, some drive eletric cars and some people walk. welcome to the melting pot we call the United States of America!! peace -matt >From: msottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Cranky Kim >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:51:32 -0700 > >I think this points to the crux of this argument. Well spoken Greg. >However, the issue is, properly marketed (which I don't think a looper ever >has been) how many EDPs could one sell? Loopers are so amazing to all of >us that I think we forget the non looping public has no interest. I can't >help but think if they were properly ordained, they'd flip out and almost >everyone would have one in their rack (or floor) On the other hand, maybe >we're freaks and the issue is most musicians wouldn't buy an EDP even if it >was $100 > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 09:50 AM, Greg House wrote: > >>>Which part of "it sold out" isn't clear? They made all the ones they had >>>capacity to make. They all got sold. 100% capacity used, 100% sold. >> >>Very efficient, but that really doesn't say anything about the market. If >>I make >>10 widgets and I sell them all for $1000, that doesn't mean I couldn't >>have sold >>10,000 widgets at $500 if I'd made them. It also doesn't mean that I >>couldn't >>have sold 30 widgets at $1000 each, if I'd made that many. It only says I >>managed >>to find 10 people desperate enough for my widget to buy all I made at the >>price I >>sold it at. It doesn't speak to the rest of the market. > _________________________________________________________________ Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige using MSN Messenger http://entertainment.msn.com/imastar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 23:47:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S3iTv20856; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:44:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:44:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:44:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <22s0JB.A.vFF.dqXT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did not feel either that this thread is a "fight" or something, but I feel like puting some things straighter: >- It's not only to be expected that if an engineer makes something cool, >they get to charge what the market will bear - it's only fair. This isn't a >charity, though after seeing how much time and effort that the Aurisis guys >have put into the looping phenomenon, we might forget this. They are doing >this to please themselves - not others - just like we make music primarilty >to please ourselves, and not others. Otherwise, we'ld be doing something >other than art; charity work comes to mind. I am part of Aurisis and dont share Kims opinion on price nor do I profit from EDPs high price, but suffer from the dificulty to sell it. I alerted Gibson about the problem of the much higher prices in Europe - no answer yet... The last 5 years, I had the impression I was doing the work on the EDP for others, it was not so pleasing for me, most of the time. The relation to my instrument is totally different to the one to my car. If I was more interested in cars than I music, I doubt I would treat the guitar the way I do treat my car. As Peter Bienz said about his (loop) music driven primary school recently: "The parents of my pupils start to understand that playing music is not similar to playing with a toy train." -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 27 23:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S3jLg20960; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:45:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:45:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030827204448.033e5620@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:47:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cranky Kim In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:53 PM 8/27/2003, William R. Walker, wrote: >I don't know about you but I've found a name for my new post-grunge neo- >apocalyptic fusion metal band. > > >KRANKY KIM I'll only allow it if I can be the singer. (I assume it won't require any singing ability.) I want Mark and Cara to be the cage dancers/wrestlers. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 00:02:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S3uTJ22423; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:56:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:56:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030824130017.007d4b60@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20030824130017.007d4b60@pop.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:56:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its as if you were talking about me, here. I may suffer the dilemma between building and playing the instrument more than most. Am I being a musician by creating my sound first? But will I be able to be a musician ever, since I did not spend much time in studying music? Its sad to feel rejected sometimes by musicians who realize that I never know in what scale I am playing - if they consider it a scale... but then there are a lot of people who did not study music themselves but fully react to sound. Its some energy that has to come through somehow. Sound is the primary level, melody and rhythm base on them. There are many more levels of organization and aesthetics, and we can chose in which we want to work most. If we manage to develop a good sense for what positive thoughts and relieve of pain, power for work, we can induce, so, even if you dont play that smart stuff, you can be useful, what more do you want to be happy? But you have to bring a good sound. It does not take musicians to hear out of tune notes, lack of flow or wrong volume. So thats where I start. I also studied some harmonies and scales in the past, but now I play relative only, as often as possible just hearing the intervals between the notes I have been at and the ones I hear I should go to. Sometimes I dont quite hit them, I must admit, but, this people dont seem to hear, so... anyway, it seems to work reasonably, I just dont have the energy to promote it - because I still rather want to build new instruments... so yes, it can be a trap. Once we choose a part of your instrument (pick strings pickup body cable amp effects reverb looper whew...), we may stay for a long while and care for other parts and for playing. Its not about having the best, its about knowing the best how to talk through it! Am I abusing this list as my personal therapy session? LOL Cara, that was a strong paragraph. And here you have another one I love: > What I don't understand, is the desire for more and more and more of a >"better" something that may not even be defined yet, to create something >that one isn't even aware of, and doesn't seem to be going toward now. >Dreaming is wonderful and so very important, but this sounds like a very >aimless and nameless pseudo-need to me. > Why would I want 15000 EDP's in a box when I have absolutely no need >for it, and furthermore, haven't met anyone who has mentioned that they do >either. -or seems to be pushing the boundries of modern music and art to >such an extreme that that even appears to be a need on the horizon. f**ing 15000... wow, and all BrotherSynced? Codependent... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 01:14:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S5C7F00843; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c36d23$8f17f220$db184b43@bwanacentral> From: "Kerry Maxwell" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030824130017.007d4b60@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:16:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:56 PM Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... > If we manage to develop a good sense for what positive thoughts and > relieve of pain, power for work, we can induce, so, even if you dont > play that smart stuff, you can be useful, what more do you want to be > happy?...> Even though I am pretty well versed in that *smart stuff*, I have always been influenced by reading an interview with Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart) where he mentioned his ideal harmonica tone was the sound you get when you hang the harmonica out the window of a '49 Packard at about 40mph ("or maybe a honking goose"). This has always been consistent with my experience. I often feel my *best* musical moments are when the music just blows through me, and all that *smart stuff*, and all the gadgets I'm hooked up to are just reeds in the wind. Kerry M Audio: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/316/kerry_maxwell_aka_bwana_ro.html Visual: http://home.earthlink.net/~kmax58/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 01:39:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S5W2O03321; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:32:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:32:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:31:51 EDT Subject: Re: Playing an instrument vs. building an instrument... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e4.3cd4211d.2c7eedc7_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e4.3cd4211d.2c7eedc7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/03 10:12:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kmax58@earthlink.net writes: > Don Van Vliet (aka Captain > Beefheart) where he mentioned his ideal harmonica tone was the sound you > get when you hang the harmonica out the window of a '49 Packard at about > 40mph ("or maybe a honking goose"). Mercury Retrograde Mars Needs Women Big Eyed Beans from Venus!!! (oh my, oh my) Boys and Girls, Earth People around the Circle Mixtures of Man Alike Big-Eyed Beans from Venus They're passing in-between us.... who farted? --part1_e4.3cd4211d.2c7eedc7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/27/03 10:12:47 PM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, kmax58@earthlink.net writes:

Don Van Vliet (aka Captain
Beefheart) where he mentioned his ideal harmonica tone was the sound you
get when you hang the harmonica out the window of a '49 Packard at about
40mph ("or maybe a honking goose").


Mercury Retrograde
Mars Needs Women
Big Eyed Beans from Venus!!! (oh my, oh my)

Boys and Girls,
Earth People around the Circle
Mixtures of Man Alike
Big-Eyed Beans from Venus
They're passing in-between us....

who farted? --part1_e4.3cd4211d.2c7eedc7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 02:44:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S6fJg09965; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:41:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:41:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <71.341a237f.2c7efe08@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:41:12 EDT Subject: Re: Favorite Looping CD's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_71.341a237f.2c7efe08_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10698 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_71.341a237f.2c7efe08_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was lucky enough to catch Darin a few months ago in Fairfax CA (must have been around the same time you heard him, since he mostly plays in Oregon) and he truly is a superb looper. He starts out his loops typically enough, playing a catchy bass line on his 5-string bass. Then, he adds a layer of haunting melody using the high string of the bass, which he tunes an octave higher than normal. Once he has a good groove going, he pulls out a violin bow and bows out some beautiful Shankar-esque lines on that same high string. He does all of this, including his echoplex pedal work, with absolutely flawless technique. I have his "Ojai" cd which is excellent, and done completely live. Worth checking out SteveK In a message dated 8/27/2003 3:29:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Well I have definitely been enjoying Matthias Grob's new CD. I am > looking forward to Andre's new one and have been digging a CD from > Darin Schaffer. > > www.darinschaffer.com > > I came across Mr. Schaffer one day as he was playing out of his van > in front of Haight Ashbury music on Haight St. He had a bass, some > other effects and at least one, maybe two Echoplexi. He was playing > through a little amp or PA system but had a fantastic sound going > considering the environment. > > Frankly Andre has so many tracks available as downloads, I could > spend months just soaking them up. Hopefully 2003 will still see the > release of a new Splattercell CD. > > > > --part1_71.341a237f.2c7efe08_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was lucky enough to catch Darin a few months ago in=20= Fairfax CA (must have been around the same time you heard him, since he most= ly plays in Oregon) and he truly is a superb looper.

He starts out his loops typically enough, playing a catchy bass line on his=20= 5-string bass.   Then, he adds a layer of  haunting melody us= ing the high string of the bass, which he tunes an octave higher than normal= .  Once he has a good groove going, he pulls out a violin bow and bows=20= out some beautiful Shankar-esque lines on that same high string.  He do= es all of this, including his echoplex pedal work, with absolutely flawless=20= technique.  I have his "Ojai" cd which is excellent, and done completel= y live.  Worth checking out

SteveK

In a message dated 8/27/2003 3:29:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delig= ht-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:


Well I have definitely been enj= oying Matthias Grob's new CD. I am
looking forward to Andre's new one and have been digging a CD from
Darin Schaffer.

www.darinschaffer.com

   I came across Mr. Schaffer one day as he was playing out of his= van
in front of Haight Ashbury music on Haight St. He had a bass, some
other effects and at least one, maybe two Echoplexi. He was playing
through a little amp or PA system but had a fantastic sound going
considering the environment.

   Frankly Andre has so many tracks available as downloads, I coul= d
spend months just soaking them up. Hopefully 2003 will still see the
release of a new Splattercell CD.





 --part1_71.341a237f.2c7efe08_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 03:44:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S7fIf15720; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:41:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:49:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Kranky Kim Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I'll only allow it if I can be the singer. (I assume it won't require any >singing ability.) I want Mark and Cara to be the cage dancers/wrestlers. > >kim > > You're On Dude, Now all we need is a drummer and bass player, and maybe a few more guitar players. Is it OK if Cara plays some guitar as well as cage dance/wrestle? Any one on the list wanna join KRANKY KIM? I'm kinda hoping this will be a truly international band even though it will make rehearsals a little difficult... Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 04:21:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S8HfD20252; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:17:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <71.341a91f7.2c7f149f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:17:35 EDT Subject: Re: Kranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_71.341a91f7.2c7f149f_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <4KSMaC.A.V8E.lqbT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_71.341a91f7.2c7f149f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/03 12:41:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: > Any one on the list wanna join KRANKY KIM? I'm kinda hoping > this will be a truly international band even though it will make rehearsals > a little difficult... > sounds vaguely drug-related, I dunno --part1_71.341a91f7.2c7f149f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/28/03 12:41:25 AM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, chillyb@cruzio.com writes:

Any one on the list wanna join=20= KRANKY KIM? I'm kinda hoping
this will be a truly international band even though it will make rehearsals<= BR> a little difficult...


sounds vaguely drug-related, I dunno --part1_71.341a91f7.2c7f149f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 05:00:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S8taL23064; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:55:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:55:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b801c36d42$31bf5e00$d9985142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: Kranky Kim Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:55:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in for this one as well! Bill, you know how to get hold of me if this ever comes to pass! -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Walker," To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Kranky Kim > > > > >I'll only allow it if I can be the singer. (I assume it won't require any > >singing ability.) I want Mark and Cara to be the cage dancers/wrestlers. > > > >kim > > > > > You're On Dude, Now all we need is a drummer and bass player, and maybe a > few more guitar players. Is it OK if Cara plays some guitar as well as cage > dance/wrestle? Any one on the list wanna join KRANKY KIM? I'm kinda hoping > this will be a truly international band even though it will make rehearsals > a little difficult... > > Bill > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 05:13:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S93BI25130; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c36d43$2ece8a30$ba5efea9@fdb> From: "David Brown" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:03:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01C36D97.0005B850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C36D97.0005B850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C36D97.0005B850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C36D97.0005B850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S9ImE26339; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:18:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:18:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cd01c36d45$6ffc90e0$d9985142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <200308272026.h7RKQNi23289@hemlock.violacea.com> <02f001c36ce6$51842b00$4a62f93f@global> Subject: Re: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:19:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight Hey Rick, Kim, Andre... I know I've had my go-rounds with all of you as well, but I'm still amazed and humbled by your herculean efforts in your individual pursuit of your looping muse. You guys are all amazing! > I think it is perfectly okay to get angry and express it, because it helps one from stuffing feelings which really lead to dysfunctional behaviour. That's why I race skateboards, and generally get out and do hard physical exercise. Boogie boarding with my son and beach stuff. It's all amazingly therapeutic and cleansing emotionally. But I am mad as hell about any number of things, but doing my best to keep playing music and appreciating my good health, and the good things I'm involved in. > Consequently, I think this thread on the economics of the EDP has been fascinating, stimulating, adrenalin producing and a good thing. I like the cold economic facts as well. EDP is startlingly beyond what other loopers are capable of and the street price is probably fair. Sure I'm cheap and want everything free, but not at the expense of another's dignity, and their right to fair exchange for their hard efforts. When I hear someone say they only hit record and overdub, and play with feedback, my mind screams... WHAT ABOUT MULTIPLY!!! That alone is so far beyond what all the other boxes do, easy to grasp, and incredibly useful. It gets that first rythmic cycle going fast and allows you to get down to other business immediately. Ending it with record can grab a chunk of a longer loop to pare it down. NOT POSSIBLE ANYWHERE ELSE IN REAL TIME. The multiply again, and again, and again. Repeat until mutated. WHAT ABOUT INSERT??? Need some quick beeps and blips? No problem... Want to build a larger structure? Quantized Insert is just the ticket. Granulate? Dance away, like your killing cockroaches! Or how about susOverdub? More beeps and blips cutting off Attack and Decay transients... NEXTLOOP up to 9 loops??? 9 ways to mutate your loop? Do you need more???!!! Come on gang don't waste your edp's brain power... it's simple to explore these things creatively, and by doing so you realize that you can create very sophisticated forms with these tools. Sure feedback looping is great, but sheesh... it's been around since the first long delay was available. How incredibly long ago was that? Best regards to all! Miko Biffle | biffoz@arczip.com "Do you really want to know how it all works out?" Fresh new ICS Xray Lodge | http://www.powerhat.com/ics/sounds.html Now playing: "Rough" | http://cdbaby.com/cd/biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 05:48:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S9hPE28352; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:43:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011501c36d48$a8657480$2961f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308280644.h7S6icq10360@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: ETHEL: a glowing review Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:41:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just had the extreme good fortune to hear a preview track from Toddy Reynolds' band Ethel off of their soon to be released new CD. It is just a really fascinating piece of music. I feel like I am listening to the future when I listen to it: completely unique and mysterious and incredible! don't pass go. don't collect $200. go out and buy this CD with cold hard cash as soon as it is available. you'll thank me. seriously. rick walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 06:02:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7S9xTO31610; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:59:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1120.213.89.33.134.1062064766.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> In-Reply-To: <20030827160523.70953.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002d01c36c79$4a9112d0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> <20030827160523.70953.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RE: SooperLooper-->any users? From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: per@boysen.se User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8-vMCB.A.xtH.BKdT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to devote a lot of time to it, and > you enjoy > that sort of thing, it might be worthwhile, but it's wasn't ready for > general use > when I investigated it (with the intention of doing a simple audio editing > system). I'm not a newbie, I've used Linux daily since 1996, but I'm not a > developer. > > Greg THanks, Greg. I guessed it would be like that. Anyway, I won't have the time to look into Linux since I fell into some serious pc problems yesterday. Still working on my main machine to get a system onto any of the drives so I can get at the work I'm supposed to deliver soon... It has already set me back 12 working hours :-( Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> phone int 46 070 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 07:03:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SAvT903851; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c36d52$c995f620$a363fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: WTB: Oberheim Echoplex accessories Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:01:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C36D5C.107F41A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C36D5C.107F41A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, having been absent for a while I=B4ve re-subbed again. Does anyone on = this list have the following items for sale: - Oberheim EDP Loop 3 Rev. 5.0 EPROMs to upgrade one of my EDPs (maybe = one of those who=B4ve purchased the Loop IV upgrade and now have a spare = set of Loop 3 Rev. 5.0 kicking around)? - original foot controller for EDP? Maybe a spare unit that doesn=B4t = find much use? Cosmetics do not really matter, only function.=20 I=B4m located in Germany. Please respond off-list, thanks. Stephen ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C36D5C.107F41A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
having been absent for a while I=B4ve = re-subbed=20 again. Does anyone on this list have the following items for = sale:
 
- Oberheim EDP Loop 3 Rev. 5.0 EPROMs = to upgrade=20 one of my EDPs (maybe one of those who=B4ve purchased the Loop IV = upgrade and now=20 have a spare set of Loop 3 Rev. 5.0 kicking around)?
 
- original foot controller for EDP? = Maybe a spare=20 unit that doesn=B4t find much use? Cosmetics do not really matter, only=20 function. 
 
I=B4m located in Germany. Please = respond=20 off-list, thanks.
 
Stephen
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C36D5C.107F41A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 07:25:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SBMJ707974; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:22:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:22:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004301c36d52$c995f620$a363fe91@synthhost> References: <004301c36d52$c995f620$a363fe91@synthhost> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:22:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: WTB: Oberheim Echoplex accessories Cc: Steve Lawson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi all, > >having been absent for a while I«ve re-subbed again. Does anyone on >this list have the following items for sale: > >- Oberheim EDP Loop 3 Rev. 5.0 EPROMs to upgrade one of my EDPs >(maybe one of those who«ve purchased the Loop IV upgrade and now >have a spare set of Loop 3 Rev. 5.0 kicking around)? > >- original foot controller for EDP? Maybe a spare unit that doesn«t >find much use? Cosmetics do not really matter, only function. > >I«m located in Germany. Please respond off-list, thanks. > >Stephen Steve has a foot pedal of mine I will not use. Its new and blond. Would 90 Euro be apropriate? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 09:08:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SD39Q23002; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:03:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:03:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062073795!1655780 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB4AC@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What it means to build vs. play... Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:26:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36D5F.9AEE8730" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D5F.9AEE8730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>No one really needs a looper.<< I've never heard so much arse in my life! I get by without a car just fine, but if someone took my loopers, I'd stop eating and pine away. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D5F.9AEE8730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: What it means to build vs. play...

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D5F.9AEE8730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 09:13:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SD7qU23654; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:07:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:07:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8D81DA9D264CD311A60C0008C75D553B114F6548@CWUS-DTW-PRI02> From: "Jonah, Jim" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: recent favorite Loping CDs... Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:07:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <_SbZZB.A.dxF.o6fT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm... roll back and forth across the menu links for some interesting sounds. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recent favorite Loping CDs... Well I have definitely been enjoying Matthias Grob's new CD. I am looking forward to Andre's new one and have been digging a CD from Darin Schaffer. www.darinschaffer.com I came across Mr. Schaffer one day as he was playing out of his van in front of Haight Ashbury music on Haight St. He had a bass, some other effects and at least one, maybe two Echoplexi. He was playing through a little amp or PA system but had a fantastic sound going considering the environment. Frankly Andre has so many tracks available as downloads, I could spend months just soaking them up. Hopefully 2003 will still see the release of a new Splattercell CD. On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 07:06 PM, David wrote: > Question -- in 2003, what cool new music have people been checking out > containing a high proportion of performance-based looping (as opposed > to > studio clips that are sequenced/sampled...)??? > > Kranky Kirkdorffer > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 09:22:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SDI3G25053; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F4E017E.7070402@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:19:58 +0800 From: not8ohm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-hk, en-au, ko, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: per@boysen.se CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper-->any users? References: <002d01c36c79$4a9112d0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> <20030827160523.70953.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> <1120.213.89.33.134.1062064766.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> In-Reply-To: <1120.213.89.33.134.1062064766.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, Whilst I haven't had a chance to test out sooperlooper yet, I thought I would point interested parties in the direction of the Planet CCRMA RPM repository for Red Hat Linux which is hosted by Stanford Uni. Its basically a free online service for setting up and confiruing a stable, software packed, low-latency Red Hat audio system. It is quite a streamlined solution for those not wanting to get too involved with the technical nittygritty, and it is well documented and supported, with frequent updates. Since the PureData application is quite easy to set up with this service it makes for the simplest entry to setting up sooperlooper on a linux machine. If anyone is interested I will report back on progress with this route when I rebuild my Red Hat machine, currently undergoing upgrades. cheers Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 09:30:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SDRZh26248; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:27:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:27:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: SooperLooper-->any users? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:28:46 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3F4E017E.7070402@iinet.net.au> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sure am! Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: not8ohm [mailto:not8ohm@iinet.net.au] > Sent: Donnerstag, 28. August 2003 15:20 > To: per@boysen.se > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SooperLooper-->any users? > > [snip] > machine. If anyone is interested I will report back on progress with > this route when I rebuild my Red Hat machine, currently > undergoing upgrades. > [snip] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 10:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SE47g32047; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:04:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Goldsmith \(mailing lists\)" To: Subject: RE: Live looping environment: Max/MSP vs NI Reaktor Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:07:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <012101c3688d$75efe7c0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Resent-Message-ID: <2RIgQ.A.p0H.WvgT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't used Max in a long time, but I've just started using Reaktor 4 in the last couple of months. My take is that Max/MSP is a lot more powerful, but that Reaktor is a lot simpler to use... Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 10:42:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SEc1S04915; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:37:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <37B64E87-D965-11D7-A979-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >next pertinent question: Why can't the Europeans get the EDP and at a >comparable price? Because just about everything costs more in Europe? I thought the European tradeoff was cheap healthcare, lower murder rate, and great soccer coverage versus cheap and plentiful consumer goods. There's taxes, exchange rates, higher cost of living [driving up retail overhead], etc. I think there was also some electrical certification that had to happen, that costs money also, which gets added on to the cost/unit. Whenever I've visited England I couldn't finding a good deal on the English gear, and all the imported gear seemed to have the same price tag as in the states, but with a "pound sterling" replacing the dollar sign. I think the only way the Europeans could get a comparable price is if Gibson lowered their profit margin, and we've already seen that they're not too interested in that. Speaking of which, Kim pointed out that Gibson was selling all they could make, and someone suggested that they should increase production. There may be factors which prevent that from being a scalable factor, such as overall manufacturing capacity being maxed out, constraints on third-party part supply, and so on. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 11:11:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SF8UB10846; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:08:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:08:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030828150824.99760.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: headphones, headphones, headphones... To: loopy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0ypc6.A.WpC.urhT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greetings all, now i've seen the debate time and time again about who uses which headphones, so my question is a bit different. i'm putting together a project studio and am in need of some quality headphones. i happened to notice that musician's friend is having a huge blowout of 50% and in some instances...even more! what looks like the best deal from them? some of you may want to nab another pair of high quality headphones at a low price too. here's the link... http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/search/it=WUTS/st=aux8_special/d=tn/src=3NL3HR let the suggestions fly! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 11:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SFOZt13415; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:24:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:24:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:23:15 -0600 Message-ID: <001101c36d78$4d950220$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <00cd01c36d45$6ffc90e0$d9985142@MyComputer> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:24:25 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <7aG_PB.A.eRD.z6hT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:19 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight > > > Sure feedback looping is great, but sheesh... > it's been around since the first long delay was > available. How incredibly long ago was that? To be fair, it's not as incredibly long ago as the electric guitar and amp, or pentatonic scales, or the clarinet. Those things are older than record/overdub/feedback looping and are still cool, imho. ;-) Of course I still agree with you, just being snotty, ha! MIke From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 11:32:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SFSh514412; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:28:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:28:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:29:02 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: headphones, headphones, headphones... In-reply-to: <20030828150824.99760.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3F4E1FBE.9030501@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <20030828150824.99760.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0FSScD.A.EhD.r-hT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want closed-ear, the ATH M40 are nice. Flat response and very comfortable. $70 is a good price, but it's not 50%. They are usually about $90. Evan Meyers wrote: >greetings all, > >now i've seen the debate time and time again about who >uses which headphones, so my question is a bit >different. i'm putting together a project studio and >am in need of some quality headphones. i happened to >notice that musician's friend is having a huge blowout >of 50% and in some instances...even more! what looks >like the best deal from them? some of you may want to >nab another pair of high quality headphones at a low >price too. here's the link... > >http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/search/it=WUTS/st=aux8_special/d=tn/src=3NL3HR > >let the suggestions fly! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 11:34:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SFQcr13947; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:26:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c36d78$c4abc380$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: References: <20030828150824.99760.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: headphones, headphones, headphones... Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:26:30 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com among those headphones, in my opinion the best ones are Audio technica ath-m30 and m40. be sure to check out beyer dt-770. i see these headphones in nearly all the studios. great frequency response and no leakage to the mics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: "loopy" Sent: 28 Agustos 2003 Persembe 18:08 Subject: headphones, headphones, headphones... > greetings all, > > now i've seen the debate time and time again about who > uses which headphones, so my question is a bit > different. i'm putting together a project studio and > am in need of some quality headphones. i happened to > notice that musician's friend is having a huge blowout > of 50% and in some instances...even more! what looks > like the best deal from them? some of you may want to > nab another pair of high quality headphones at a low > price too. here's the link... > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/search/it=WUTS/st=aux8_special/d=tn/src= 3NL3HR > > let the suggestions fly! > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 11:57:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SFsmv20410; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: SooperLooper-->any users? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:56:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c36d7c$e2bb3dc0$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3F4E017E.7070402@iinet.net.au> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If anyone is interested I will report back on progress with > this route when I rebuild my Red Hat machine, currently undergoing upgrades. Yes! Please keep us informed! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 12:07:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SG0FG22810; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:00:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:00:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0dff01c36d7d$78881670$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: Subject: Re: Kranky Kim Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:00:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey I'll drum as long as I get to mud wrestle too :) I'll bring my own wet t-shirt. :) Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Walker," To: <> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Kranky Kim > > > >I'll only allow it if I can be the singer. (I assume it won't require any > >singing ability.) I want Mark and Cara to be the cage dancers/wrestlers. > > > >kim > > > > > You're On Dude, Now all we need is a drummer and bass player, and maybe a > few more guitar players. Is it OK if Cara plays some guitar as well as cage > dance/wrestle? Any one on the list wanna join KRANKY KIM? I'm kinda hoping > this will be a truly international band even though it will make rehearsals > a little difficult... > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 12:11:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SG6WU23926; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030828160629.99939.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: SooperLooper-->any users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F4E017E.7070402@iinet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- not8ohm wrote: > Whilst I haven't had a chance to test out sooperlooper yet, I thought I > would point interested parties in the direction of the Planet CCRMA RPM > repository for Red Hat Linux which is hosted by Stanford Uni. Its > basically a free online service for setting up and confiruing a stable, > software packed, low-latency Red Hat audio system. Yeah, I should have mentioned that too. Planet CCRMA (RedPlanet CD set) is definitely helpful, since they collect things together. but they still don't have a unified installation procedure (at least not last time I checked), so you had to install packages manually, which kind of defeated some of the ease of use. But at least they collected most of the primary packages you'd need in one place, and that's a BIG help. > Since the PureData application is quite easy to set up with this service > it makes for the simplest entry to setting up sooperlooper on a linux > machine. If anyone is interested I will report back on progress with > this route when I rebuild my Red Hat machine, currently undergoing upgrades. Please do! I'm very much interested in Linux audio solutions. I just got tired of the hassle and never really had enough time to sort through all the issues I was having with it myself. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 12:13:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SGAgA25062; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:10:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:10:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030828084137.0246eec0@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:11:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: harvey starr Subject: Bad Kim, Bad Kim In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826144716.023d3c70@loopers-delight.com> References: <20030826204447.37085.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030826110610.0349d398@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:00 PM 8/26/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:44 PM 8/26/2003, Greg House wrote: >>--- Kim Flint wrote: >> > At 09:41 AM 8/26/2003, Greg House wrote: >> > >Kim wrote: >> > > > >Whether poor people think it is expensive or not doesn't really >> > > > >matter, because no matter what price it is they don't ever buy it >> anyway. >> > > >> > >This sounds like a very cynical take on things. Getting things into the >> > >"impulse >> > >purchase", or even the "minimal thought" price ranges certainly DO >> increase >> > >sales...especially for "take it or leave it" type specialty items. >> > >> > that's exactly what I said in my original message. I also pointed out that >> > the people making impulse buying decisions are not poor people. People >> with >> > money make impulse buys. The thread was about poor people complaining >> about >> > the prices of things they can't afford, and I pointed out that their >> > complaints fall on deaf ears because they never buy anything anyway. They >> > don't. >> >>Yes, but there ARE people in the midline. People who have some, but not a >>whole >>lot, of disposable income. I think I fall into that category. I can >>occasionally >>come up with the cash for a $100-500 purchase, but not real often. I >>think there >>are a lot of people in this type situation. I sure know a lot around here. > >Sure, and those the people who drive Hondas and not BMW's. They play >DL-4's and not stereo echoplexes. That's life. If you want a high >performance thing, it will cost you more money. If you don't have the >money you don't get it and you settle for something lesser. That doesn't >mean there is no market for high performance products at higher prices. It >just means the market doesn't include you. > >All I'm trying to point out to you here is the primary customers for music >gear are mostly people who have money. It's a different set of people from >those who consider themselves musicians. $1000 may be expensive to you, >but there really are a lot of people in the world for whom it isn't. Those >are the people who buy music gear. That is why $6000 Les Pauls sell well also. Kim is right, sad to say. I sympathize 1000%. I agonize over setting prices for our controllers. Based on costs our prices should be triple where they are now set. Every marketing person has tod me this. But who can pay $6000 for a MIDI guitar? Well, Gibson makes a $10k Les Paul with some really cool Mother-of-pearl inlays (not even your own name) and they sell every stinkin' one of a 100-piece batch! And it's still a guitar! We get endless requests for a $500 MIDI guitar, "you should do it! everybody will buy one!" But when we've marked prices to something approaching that, selling at less than cost, maybe we get one or two more orders. And the percieved value drops and many people think the stuff is too cheap to be useful. So we set prices to where we can just break even which makes for an extreme loss of hairline, weekends, musical chops... I've also noticed in regard to music electronics, that musicians are constantly whittling away at what they'll pay for their heart's delight because there are 15 other must-have heart's-delights from pickups to EFX boxes, amps, mixers, software, you name it, and when they finish haggling with you over the holy grail, the centerpiece of their rig, they'll repeat the same conversation with the next manufacturer. The bottom line seems to be that where list prices are set accurately according to costs, or somewhat higher, then the products can be shipped on time, supported and documented well, and development can proceed because the company has resources for those things. And, the best advice to prospective manufacturers from those who market music electronics is "stay away! Run! Pizza! that's a business!" Having said all that, M-Audio somewhat disproves my point in that they've grown a full line of affordable useful gadgets. A wonderful comany! The secret? China. harveyS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 12:17:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SGDpT25832; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:13:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:13:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Really Old Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001101c36d78$4d950220$250710ac@ws42554> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ugh, must control pentatonics of doom! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 12:27:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SGNaw27964; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:23:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: sysmonitor.westhost.net: webmail set sender to kevin@minds-eye.org using -f Message-ID: <1062087809.3f4e2c816f6d0@www.webmail.westhost.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:23:29 -0500 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 137.150.22.186 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > M-Audio somewhat disproves my point in that they've grown a full line of > affordable useful gadgets. A wonderful comany! The secret? China. China didn't save Electrix Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 12:33:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SGTbR29156; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:29:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphones, headphones, headphones... In-Reply-To: <3F4E1FBE.9030501@optonline.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Greg Waltzer wrote: > If you want closed-ear, the ATH M40 are nice. > Flat response and very comfortable. > $70 is a good price, but it's not 50%. They are usually about $90. It's my understanding the ATH M40fs are *the* ones to get sub $100. The "blowout" price at MF is $69.95 but quite frankly that is the regular price at places like 8th st and such http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=5410&Category=Monitoring I've never seen them lower though so free shipping might save youa few bucks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 12:38:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SGZWK30660; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:35:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:35:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030828163528.62901.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:35:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: headphones, headphones, headphones... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favorite studio headphone is the Sony 7506. You can get these for about $85 or so if you shop around. Greg --- Legion wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Greg Waltzer wrote: > > > If you want closed-ear, the ATH M40 are nice. > > Flat response and very comfortable. > > $70 is a good price, but it's not 50%. They are usually about $90. > > > It's my understanding the ATH M40fs are *the* ones to get sub $100. > > The "blowout" price at MF is $69.95 but quite frankly that is the regular > price at places like 8th st and such > > http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=5410&Category=Monitoring > > I've never seen them lower though so free shipping might save youa few > bucks. > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 12:45:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SGfdq31872; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:41:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:41:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:41:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Kranky Kim From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in if I can just play an E-Bow note to encourage his krankitude. Mark on 8/28/03 12:49 AM, William R. Walker, at chillyb@cruzio.com wrote: > >> >> I'll only allow it if I can be the singer. (I assume it won't require any >> singing ability.) I want Mark and Cara to be the cage dancers/wrestlers. >> >> kim >> >> > You're On Dude, Now all we need is a drummer and bass player, and maybe a > few more guitar players. Is it OK if Cara plays some guitar as well as cage > dance/wrestle? Any one on the list wanna join KRANKY KIM? I'm kinda hoping > this will be a truly international band even though it will make rehearsals > a little difficult... > > Bill > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 13:18:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SHAni05172; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:10:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828094416.03b63f98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:13:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim In-Reply-To: <1062087809.3f4e2c816f6d0@www.webmail.westhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:23 AM 8/28/2003, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > M-Audio somewhat disproves my point in that they've grown a full line of > > affordable useful gadgets. A wonderful comany! The secret? China. > >China didn't save Electrix Electrix didn't have the volume to make China cheap. There is extra administrative burden and longer lead times that add some base cost. Divided over large numbers of units, that's negligible. But at low volumes it doesn't make sense to do it. (although the volumes where it makes sense have dropped significantly over the years.) Electrix also had a ridiculously costly hardware design, with a lot of pieces to assemble, way too many assembly steps, many custom parts, too many paint colors, etc. It looked pretty, but doesn't make sense for a low volume, niche musical instrument product. For something more generic like a mixer you could probably make that work. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 13:31:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SHQA307814; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:26:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828102144.04dc4160@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:28:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <37B64E87-D965-11D7-A979-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <14AkSB.A.95B.ysjT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:37 AM 8/28/2003, Travis wrote: > >next pertinent question: Why can't the Europeans get the EDP and at a > >comparable price? > >Because just about everything costs more in Europe? I thought the >European tradeoff was cheap healthcare, lower murder rate, and great >soccer coverage versus cheap and plentiful consumer goods. No, there really is something screwed up with European pricing of echoplexes right now. It's not economics, just something that hasn't been sorted out yet. The old Echoplex wasn't available in Europe at all because it didn't meet ce requirements. The new EDP Plus meets CE and should be available there, but for some reason they haven't gotten it sorted out right with the european distributors yet. New people, new product, unfamiliar processes, etc. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 13:31:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SHOOx07591; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:24:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:24:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:24:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: d631cece aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030828084137.0246eec0@crash.cts.com> Message-Id: <7425EF9C-D97C-11D7-8A43-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <9cizy.A.d2B.HrjT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 09:11 AM, harvey starr wrote: > > Kim is right, sad to say. I sympathize 1000%. I agonize over setting > prices for our controllers. Here is why I think Kim is not right. (although I'll admit that I don't know all the politics and factors that are involved in making a product like the EDP) There are thousands of guitars for people to choose from, starting at $50. If you want a looper that syncs to MIDI and had controllable feedback, there are how many? The tools page shows 3. Here's why that should scare the fuck out of all of you, EDP users and otherwise. The EDP can't go on forever. It's production is pretty stable at this point, but at some point some of it's components will stop being made. My guess is the RAM will be first to go. It's the way of all electronic gear. I've heard both Kim and Matthais complain about how hard it was/is to get the EDP manufactured. What if Gibson decides that it's just not going to bother on such a small niche product? Then where the hell will we be? We're all comfortable now, but I remember a time when you couldn't get an EDP new and used ones were very scarce. I fear that will happen again Most of my desire for a cheap EDP has little to do with me. I've got a looper that works well for me and I don't actually think I'd buy an EDP at this point even if it was $400. Why do I think it would be better for all of us if they did sell for that? I think in retail there is a magic number (called "price point" in the biz) where people will buy a piece of non instrument music gear with less debate. Retailers know about this and would be a lot more likely to stock an item which would get more people exposed to an EDP. It all snowballs from there... or not. I think it would. > Having said all that, M-Audio somewhat disproves my point in that > they've grown a full line of affordable useful gadgets. A wonderful > comany! The secret? China. > harveyS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 13:33:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SHQoN07949; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:26:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:26:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:26:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Kranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 6323bc02 aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think with your Ebow and me playing Ebow and Sustainiac AT THE SAME TIME will bring him to his knees! MWAH HA HA! Mark Sottilaro PS, weirdly enough, I've never tried Ebow and Sustainiac at the same time... On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 09:41 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I'm in if I can just play an E-Bow note to encourage his krankitude. > > Mark > > on 8/28/03 12:49 AM, William R. Walker, at chillyb@cruzio.com wrote: > >> >>> >>> I'll only allow it if I can be the singer. (I assume it won't >>> require any >>> singing ability.) I want Mark and Cara to be the cage >>> dancers/wrestlers. >>> >>> kim >>> >>> >> You're On Dude, Now all we need is a drummer and bass player, and >> maybe a >> few more guitar players. Is it OK if Cara plays some guitar as well >> as cage >> dance/wrestle? Any one on the list wanna join KRANKY KIM? I'm kinda >> hoping >> this will be a truly international band even though it will make >> rehearsals >> a little difficult... >> >> Bill >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 13:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SHS8n08345; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:27:38 EDT Subject: Re: Really Old To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f5.309130c9.2c7f958a_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f5.309130c9.2c7f958a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/03 9:14:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > Ugh, must control pentatonics of doom! > Gary > dee dee dee dee dee dee, dee dee, dee! --part1_f5.309130c9.2c7f958a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/28/03 9:14:22 AM Pacific Daylight= Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes:

Ugh, must control pentatonics o= f doom!
Gary


dee dee dee dee dee dee, dee dee, dee! --part1_f5.309130c9.2c7f958a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 13:43:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SHdPn10511; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:39:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:39:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: f2a248c1 aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030827170309.14262.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8D75A188-D97E-11D7-8A43-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Greg House wrote: > I was talking about EDPs, did I get my context in that msg messed up? > Sorry. I > have definitely seen 'Rangs in catalogs for many years. Haven't ever > seen one in > a local music store though. I don't live near anywhere that has a > Guitar Center > or other superstore. They do not stock them at Guitar Center. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 13:45:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SHfPJ10878; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:41:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:41:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828103033.026a7348@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:43:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20030827223147.36522.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <02f001c36ce6$51842b00$4a62f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-lQmaC.A.1pC.F7jT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:31 PM 8/27/2003, Greg House wrote: >--- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > > > I think it is perfectly okay to get angry and express it, > >Sure, I agree. FWIW, I don't know about anyone else, but I haven't been angry >through the entire discourse. From reading Kim's posts, I didn't think he was >either. Actually, I was completely enjoying myself. Debating things is fun for me. Like Greg, I find it odd that people see an involved discussion as "fighting" or "angry" or whatever. It makes the discussion difficult when some people read all sorts of heavy emotions into it that aren't there. Of course, those are the people who's buttons are the most fun to push. It's really hard to restrain myself sometimes. > > The only thing I really regret > > at all is that much of the thread has been titled 'Cranky Kim'. FWIW, I prefer caffeine for chemical stimulation. But I think the white trash biker crank association is good for my image. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 13:58:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SHmrq12136; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1062090195!1671827 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB4B2@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: headphones, headphones, headphones... Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:59:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36D85.C93CAA60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D85.C93CAA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>what looks like the best deal from them?<< I use beyer dt250's, which are about =A380/$110. the problem I have with ca= ns generally is that really low bass (esp. electronic, like from a moog or = suchlike) doesn't register properly (you need an extra driver fastened to y= 'r stomach/ribcage, basically) and before too long, the drivers are goosed = from the extreme levels and bassness. I could probably remove both these issues by simply spending a bit more (on= , say, the sony mdr750x series at around twice the price) but I reckon I'd = still burst them in a matter of days- I own a memorymoog and a supernova ra= ck in addition to a dozen bass guitars. ho hum. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>what looks like the best deal from them?<<<= /FONT>

I use beyer dt250's, which are about =A380/$110. the prob= lem I have with cans generally is that really low bass (esp. electronic, li= ke from a moog or suchlike) doesn't register properly (you need an extra dr= iver fastened to y'r stomach/ribcage, basically) and before too long, the d= rivers are goosed from the extreme levels and bassness.

I could probably remove both these issues by simply spend= ing a bit more (on, say, the sony mdr750x series at around twice the price)= but I reckon I'd still burst them in a matter of days- I own a memorymoog = and a supernova rack in addition to a dozen bass guitars. ho hum.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D85.C93CAA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 13:59:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SHnuR12297; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:49:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:49:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c36d8d$45ebbf40$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: where's the dellight...? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:53:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.168.245] at Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:49:38 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We seem to have dug deep into the "looper's" angle recently -- and even looped the conversation thread with a few Multiplies and and an Insert or two -- SOOOO, how about we spend a moment on the "delight"?? 1) Does everyone remember their first time? -- looping that is? What's changed for you since then? 2) Do you have a special memory when everything seemed to click in a looping performance? Could you pinpoint what seemed to be going on at the time? 3) What was the last bit of music you did that just made you giggle with happiness that it had happened? David P.S. I just bought some Frank Sinatra CD's. Wow -- these remasters of the original lp's sound amazing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 14:03:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SI1H115569; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:01:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:00:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <8D75A188-D97E-11D7-8A43-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <8FA68599-D981-11D7-B065-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5hevCC.A.LzD.sNkT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't attest for right this minute, but I have seen EDP's on display,(assuming they have them in stock then), at the San Jose Guitar Center on Stevens Creek Dr. I've seen them there several times. On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:39 AM, msottilaro wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Greg House wrote: >> I was talking about EDPs, did I get my context in that msg messed up? >> Sorry. I >> have definitely seen 'Rangs in catalogs for many years. Haven't ever >> seen one in >> a local music store though. I don't live near anywhere that has a >> Guitar Center >> or other superstore. > > They do not stock them at Guitar Center. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 14:11:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SI7eB17054; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c36d8f$c63dddc0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB4B2@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: headphones, headphones, headphones... Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:11:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C36D6E.3E9E55A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.163.168.245] at Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:07:32 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C36D6E.3E9E55A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: headphones, headphones, headphones...Duncan - If you can get into a store to test drive them, try some Sennheiser HD = 600's -- they will reproduce all the bass you have to give... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: RE: headphones, headphones, headphones... >>what looks like the best deal from them?<<=20 I use beyer dt250's, which are about =A380/$110. the problem I have = with cans generally is that really low bass (esp. electronic, like from = a moog or suchlike) doesn't register properly (you need an extra driver = fastened to y'r stomach/ribcage, basically) and before too long, the = drivers are goosed from the extreme levels and bassness. I could probably remove both these issues by simply spending a bit = more (on, say, the sony mdr750x series at around twice the price) but I = reckon I'd still burst them in a matter of days- I own a memorymoog and = a supernova rack in addition to a dozen bass guitars. ho hum. duncan.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C36D6E.3E9E55A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: headphones, headphones, headphones...
Duncan -
 
If you can get into a store to = test drive=20 them, try some Sennheiser HD 600's -- they will reproduce all the bass = you have=20 to give...
 
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From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =
To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 = 12:59=20 PM
Subject: RE: headphones, = headphones,=20 headphones...

>>what looks like the best deal from=20 them?<<

I use beyer dt250's, which are about =A380/$110. the = problem I=20 have with cans generally is that really low bass (esp. electronic, = like from a=20 moog or suchlike) doesn't register properly (you need an extra driver = fastened=20 to y'r stomach/ribcage, basically) and before too long, the drivers = are goosed=20 from the extreme levels and bassness.

I could probably remove both these issues by simply = spending a=20 bit more (on, say, the sony mdr750x series at around twice the price) = but I=20 reckon I'd still burst them in a matter of days- I own a memorymoog = and a=20 supernova rack in addition to a dozen bass guitars. ho hum.

duncan.

------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C36D6E.3E9E55A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 14:52:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SImgt25097; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:48:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:48:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Echoplex at Guitar Center Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:48:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <8FA68599-D981-11D7-B065-000A95864C54@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought my second EDP at GC when I returned the Repeater--guess I should have kept the 'Peater and sold long. The EDP had been on the shelf for a long time, but did not seem to be a special order. Gary PS I first started experimenting with a DeltaLab 1 second delay (multi-effect unit) with a Morley pedal. Musta been 1980. G -----Original Message----- From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cranky Kim I can't attest for right this minute, but I have seen EDP's on display,(assuming they have them in stock then), at the San Jose Guitar Center on Stevens Creek Dr. I've seen them there several times. On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:39 AM, msottilaro wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Greg House wrote: >> I was talking about EDPs, did I get my context in that msg messed up? >> Sorry. I >> have definitely seen 'Rangs in catalogs for many years. Haven't ever >> seen one in >> a local music store though. I don't live near anywhere that has a >> Guitar Center >> or other superstore. > > They do not stock them at Guitar Center. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 14:52:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SInMX25247; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:49:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:50:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828102144.04dc4160@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828102144.04dc4160@loopers-delight.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, > The new EDP Plus meets CE and should be > available there, but for some reason they haven't gotten it sorted out > right with the european distributors yet. New people, new product, > unfamiliar processes, etc. Interesting about the CE requirements. Do you think the importer I mentioned won't import EDPs simply because they still think they're not CE certified? I'll try and prod a few music shops with this info and see if it helps. If you have any clout with Gibson you might like to give them a judicious prod too. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 15:13:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SJBk430609; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:11:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:11:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828110353.025aaec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:14:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cranky Kim In-Reply-To: <4C4EB372-D8F5-11D7-A785-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <000601c36cbc$08337f70$01b52b04@purgatory> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:16 PM 8/27/2003, msottilaro wrote: >That is actually a good point about EDPs too. I've worked music retail >and have been a musician for 24 years and I've seen an EDP only twice (I >bought one of them) in a music store. (one at Height Asbury Music with a >$1200 price tag on it and the one I bought at Banana's At Large in San >Rafael, CA) Some of the places I've shopped are pretty high end little shops. > >Why isn't the EDP in more stores? In the early days of the Oberheim version it was. But after that there was always a large backorder list, and the demand was far greater than Gibson's ability to make them. They were frequently not in stores because everything that was made was going to fill backorders for most of the history of the thing. Certainly you won't bother advertising in such a situation, that just makes the backlog worse and gets people angry at the wait, and its essentially a waste of money. The struggle was always in getting the production going well enough to meet the demand, not in trying to increase sales. Over the past couple years that has finally found some success, thanks to the efforts of Andy and others from the Trace Elliot group. Now, with the Echoplex Plus the production side of things seems to be in very good shape. It's actually possible to go to a place like MF and find they have stock! That's a big success in my book, and it's the result of years of effort we've made in pushing things with the powers that be and helping out in every which way we could, usually without any pay to show for it. (or gratitude from the peanut gallery.) >My guess is because the store owners don't think that they could sell an >audio looping device for what the EDP sells for. Actually, they just couldn't get them most of the time, and the Gibson people weren't bothering to push them to stores since they already had a big order backlog. Sales people prefer to sell stuff sitting there in inventory that can be shipped today. Since that situation is now finally improved, it is more likely that they would start to appear in stores. >If you can sell as many EDPs as you can make, why lower the price? Makes >sense. But consider this: What if EDPs were *actually* in stores and >Gibson did something to advertise and market them? What might happen >then? We'll probably never know. Well, we might find out now. I hope so! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 15:18:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SJFrg31622; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:15:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828121440.03397a70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:18:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kranky Kim In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:26 AM 8/28/2003, msottilaro wrote: >I think with your Ebow and me playing Ebow and Sustainiac AT THE SAME TIME >will bring him to his knees! MWAH HA HA! Or move me to add an electro-shock portion to the show. Remember, you'll be in a metal cage and I'll want you to keep dancing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 15:18:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SJEKP31277; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:14:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:14:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:14:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 3da6f16d aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3plSz.A.koH.MSlT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 11:50 AM, Ian Petersen wrote: > Kim, > >> The new EDP Plus meets CE and should be >> available there, but for some reason they haven't gotten it sorted out >> right with the european distributors yet. New people, new product, >> unfamiliar processes, etc. > > Interesting about the CE requirements. Do you think the importer I > mentioned won't import EDPs simply because they still think they're not > CE certified? I'll try and prod a few music shops with this info and > see > if it helps. That's the "+" part of the EDP+. CD certification. (and black paint I guess) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 15:54:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SJob404842; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:50:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:50:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c36d9d$a373e380$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <45dEJB.A.iLB.N0lT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And Loop VI ::: :::That's the "+" part of the EDP+. CD certification. (and black paint I :::guess) ::: :::Mark Sottilaro ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 15:54:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SJpOY05099; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:51:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:51:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:51:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c36d9d$bd157920$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000801c36d9d$a373e380$01b52b04@purgatory> Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woops - Loop IV :) :::-----Original Message----- :::From: | SquidLoop | [mailto:squidloop@thetentacle.org] :::Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:51 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: RE: Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight ::: :::And Loop VI ::: :::::: ::::::That's the "+" part of the EDP+. CD certification. (and black paint :::I ::::::guess) :::::: ::::::Mark Sottilaro :::::: :::::: ::: ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 16:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SK3q208773; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:03:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:03:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828130442.039ff008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:06:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Subject: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_gws5D.A.8IC.oAmT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mainly the + is LoopIV! All sorts of new features. Users mostly don't care if something is CE approved or not. kim At 12:14 PM 8/28/2003, you wrote: >On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 11:50 AM, Ian Petersen wrote: > >>Kim, >> >>>The new EDP Plus meets CE and should be >>>available there, but for some reason they haven't gotten it sorted out >>>right with the european distributors yet. New people, new product, >>>unfamiliar processes, etc. >> >>Interesting about the CE requirements. Do you think the importer I >>mentioned won't import EDPs simply because they still think they're not >>CE certified? I'll try and prod a few music shops with this info and see >>if it helps. > >That's the "+" part of the EDP+. CD certification. (and black paint I guess) > >Mark Sottilaro ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 17:04:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SKxOE10832; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:59:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:59:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030828205917.85991.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: style, genre, category, blahblahblah To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030814230736.01a182f0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I DON'T wanna start another musical glossary thread, but I DID find a link that might come in useful to anyone looking for guidance in exploring unfamiliar, ummm, genres... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 17:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SL5vs11792; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:05:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c36da8$031a62a0$8461f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308281529.h7SFT6n14524@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: a booboo in the glowing review Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:04:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oooooops I missread the post from Todd Reynolds to myself and made an incorrect assumption: The track I heard, "Hardcore Oceanography" is actually a track he did with his partner Jesse and is NOT a tune by ETHEL. Maybe Todd can be persuaded (hint, hint) to let us know where we can hear 'Hardcore Oceanography' (hint, hint ;-) I stand by my glowing review of the music, though! I did get it right, however, that ETHEL is about to release there new CD. I'll be getting one. sorry for the mixup, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 17:18:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SLFh913254; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:15:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:15:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c36da9$91b1b8f0$ccd56fc7@rockstaryu0fkj> From: "redrum123" To: References: <008401c36d8d$45ebbf40$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Critic's Ahoy Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:15:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The last week has been ridiculous, so please listen to a spontaneous little blues jam of mine recorded last week (spawned by the saddness of losing my studio when I moved to my college appt, there's no room for more than my guitar). http://www.people.virginia.edu/~gsc3c/Music/gsc.%20-%20Homeless%20Blues.mp3 Please please send back feedback, no matter how brief. Please. The following is my little bio: I've always been a music fanatic, and had wanted to learn guitar for ages. Heard Keller Williams play, bought the lovely and cheap Taylor 'Big Baby' a week later, and have been playing ever since (a year and a few months) > 1) Does everyone remember their first time? -- looping that is? What's > changed for you since then? Keller Williams was the first time I saw looping conciously, and I investigated it for the possibilities of simple little jazz jams. Not much has changed, except when I scrounged enough cash working a job this summer (NOTE: poor college kid works summer job living with parents to buy EDP as his first looper), and the only thing that has changed is realizing how dope the EDP is and all the crazy stuff it can do. > 2) Do you have a special memory when everything seemed to click in a looping > performance? Could you pinpoint what seemed to be going on at the time? I've never gig'd :-/ But in my basement studio, things clicked when I played a single bass note followed by a slap and reversed it, which caused me to flip out and reset the echoplex and record this little jam. > 3) What was the last bit of music you did that just made you giggle with > happiness that it had happened? I was playing for a friend who'd never heard me in my dorm room four months or so ago, and she picked up my African talking drum and started playing along (she doesn't know much at all about music, so it was completely pure energy). She's my gf now :) -gsc. "One great thing about music, is when it is you feel no pain. So hit me with music, hit me with music now" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 17:26:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SLJAa14199; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:19:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:19:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c36daa$129490a0$10995142@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <001101c36d78$4d950220$250710ac@ws42554> Subject: Re: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:19:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7nJ8uB.A.udD.OHnT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:19 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight > > > > Sure feedback looping is great, but sheesh... > > it's been around since the first long delay was > > available. How incredibly long ago was that? > To be fair, it's not as incredibly long ago as the electric guitar and amp, > or pentatonic scales, or the clarinet. Those things are older than > record/overdub/feedback looping and are still cool, imho. ;-) Yeah... we're not talking covered wagons and stuff! But I've been dinking around with delays since the early 70's and even then, with feedback turned up, you could have an amazing amount of fun. So 25-30 years minimum of feedback delay stuff. > Of course I still agree with you, just being snotty, ha! > MIke Cool snot tho! Must be the Mars thing... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 17:34:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SLUCD16186; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: OT: Cool Snot (was RE: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:28:55 -0600 Message-ID: <002501c36dab$62d27220$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003101c36daa$129490a0$10995142@MyComputer> Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:30:05 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *light bulb* OHMIGOD! That's it! Ohhh how much I would LOVE to see this somewhere, someday ... Artist: Kranky Kim Album: Cool Snot PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAASE!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:20 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Fighting and Emotions at Loopers Delight > Cool snot tho! Must be the Mars thing... > -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 17:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SLmqg19490; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:48:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:48:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bad Kim, Bad Kim Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:45:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36D8C.26A28520" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D8C.26A28520 Content-Type: text/plain That is why you should just keep quiet and stop complaining since it could have never even made it to market in the first place. DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >>Here is why I think Kim is not right. (although I'll admit >>that I don't >>know all the politics and factors that are involved in making >>a product >>like the EDP) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D8C.26A28520 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Bad Kim, Bad Kim

That is why you should just keep quiet and stop = complaining since it could have never even made it to market in the = first place.

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] =

>>Here is why I think Kim is not right. = (although I'll admit
>>that I don't
>>know all the politics and factors that are = involved in making
>>a product
>>like the EDP)

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D8C.26A28520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 17:52:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SLmpt19465; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bad Kim, Bad Kim Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:43:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36D8B.E3566E80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D8B.E3566E80 Content-Type: text/plain China wasn't their problem though. Other things were. DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] >>Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:23 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim >> >> >> >>> M-Audio somewhat disproves my point in that they've grown a >>full line >>> of >>> affordable useful gadgets. A wonderful comany! The secret? China. >> >>China didn't save Electrix >> >>Kevin >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D8B.E3566E80 Content-Type: text/html RE: Bad Kim, Bad Kim

China wasn't their problem though. Other things were.

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:23 PM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim
>>
>>
>>
>>> M-Audio somewhat disproves my point in that they've grown a
>>full line
>>> of
>>> affordable useful gadgets. A wonderful comany! The secret? China.
>>
>>China didn't save Electrix
>>
>>Kevin
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36D8B.E3566E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 18:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SM1BG23552; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011001c36daf$ba4b3060$8461f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308281758.h7SHwVf13749@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: white trash biker crank kim Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:59:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim wrote: "FWIW, I prefer caffeine for chemical stimulation. But I think the white trash biker crank association is good for my image." You are going to get the shit kicked out of you with your prog rock, purple pony tail (which I adore, by the way) the next time you try to consort with trash bikers on crank, Kim. just a little reality check, buddy...................lol. R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 18:27:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SMO9927436; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:24:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-50380653 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 95f8cdad aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <54103100-D9A6-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-50380653 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Yeah, product developers shouldn't have to hear what their customers and potential customers think. That's just silly. I put the blurb about me not knowing about developing a product because I knew that the people I was addressing didn't know the first thing about retail music sales which I know quite a bit about. Perhaps we can learn from each other. I'm learning a lot by having this debate. ...and you should keep quiet unless you can actually think of a decent point. "Shut up" is the booster seat of the small mind. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:45 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: > That is why you should just keep quiet and stop complaining since it > could have never even made it to market in the first place. > > DM > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > >>Here is why I think Kim is not right. (although I'll admit > >>that I don't > >>know all the politics and factors that are involved in making > >>a product > >>like the EDP) > --Apple-Mail-2-50380653 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, product developers shouldn't have to hear what their customers and potential customers think. That's just silly. I put the blurb about me not knowing about developing a product because I knew that the people I was addressing didn't know the first thing about retail music sales which I know quite a bit about. Perhaps we can learn from each other. I'm learning a lot by having this debate. ...and you should keep quiet unless you can actually think of a decent point. "Shut up" is the booster seat of the small mind. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:45 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: That is why you should just keep quiet and stop complaining since it could have never even made it to market in the first place. DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: msottilaro [1999,1999,FFFFmailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >>Here is why I think Kim is not right. (although I'll admit >>that I don't >>know all the politics and factors that are involved in making >>a product >>like the EDP) --Apple-Mail-2-50380653-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 18:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SMSpt28257; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:28:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <61.346bf86f.2c7fdc1b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:28:43 EDT Subject: Re: style, genre, category, blahblahblah To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_61.346bf86f.2c7fdc1b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_61.346bf86f.2c7fdc1b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/03 5:00:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > http://www.allmusic.com/mus_Styles.html wow.....a keeper.....thanks tim --part1_61.346bf86f.2c7fdc1b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/28/0= 3 5:00:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


http://www.allmusic.com/mus_Sty= les.html


wow.....a keeper.....thanks tim --part1_61.346bf86f.2c7fdc1b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 18:38:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7SMZYR29501; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <175.1f46e1f4.2c7fdda8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:35:20 EDT Subject: Re: white trash biker crank kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_175.1f46e1f4.2c7fdda8_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_175.1f46e1f4.2c7fdda8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/03 6:01:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > trash bikers on crank, Kim. > say that 3 times real fast! --part1_175.1f46e1f4.2c7fdda8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/28/0= 3 6:01:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


trash bikers on crank, Kim.


say that 3 times real fast! --part1_175.1f46e1f4.2c7fdda8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 20:24:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T0MCK16103; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Bad Kim, Bad Kim Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:22:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c36dc3$926e2c50$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C36D88.E60F5450" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <54103100-D9A6-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C36D88.E60F5450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >...and you should keep quiet unless you can actually think of a decent point. "Shut up" is the booster seat of the small mind. >Mark Sottilaro Kind of like when you told that one poster to unsubscribe :-) -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim Yeah, product developers shouldn't have to hear what their customers and potential customers think. That's just silly. I put the blurb about me not knowing about developing a product because I knew that the people I was addressing didn't know the first thing about retail music sales which I know quite a bit about. Perhaps we can learn from each other. I'm learning a lot by having this debate. ...and you should keep quiet unless you can actually think of a decent point. "Shut up" is the booster seat of the small mind. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:45 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: That is why you should just keep quiet and stop complaining since it could have never even made it to market in the first place. DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >>Here is why I think Kim is not right. (although I'll admit >>that I don't >>know all the politics and factors that are involved in making >>a product >>like the EDP) ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C36D88.E60F5450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>...and you should = keep quiet unless you can actually think of a decent point. "Shut = up" is the booster seat of the small mind.

>Mark = Sottilaro

 

Kind of like when you told that one = poster to unsubscribe  J

 

 




 

-----Original Message-----
From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
Sent: Thursday, August = 28, 2003 3:24 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad = Kim

 

Yeah, product = developers shouldn't have to hear what their customers and potential customers = think. That's just silly.

I put the blurb about me not knowing about developing a product because = I knew that the people I was addressing didn't know the first thing about = retail music sales which I know quite a bit about. Perhaps we can learn from each = other. I'm learning a lot by having this debate.

...and you should keep quiet unless you can actually think of a decent = point. "Shut up" is the booster seat of the small mind.

Mark Sottilaro

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:45 AM, Don Makoviney = wrote:

That = is why you should just keep quiet and stop complaining since it could have never = even made it to market in the first place.

DM

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]

>>Here is why I think Kim is not right. (although I'll = admit
>>that I don't
>>know all the politics and factors that are involved in = making
>>a product
>>like the EDP)

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C36D88.E60F5450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 20:38:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T0YRV18121; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:34:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: c7f1861c aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828110353.025aaec0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <87DBA8C1-D9B8-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_FAh6D.A.AbE.S-pT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 12:14 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >> If you can sell as many EDPs as you can make, why lower the price? >> Makes sense. But consider this: What if EDPs were *actually* in >> stores and Gibson did something to advertise and market them? What >> might happen then? We'll probably never know. > > Well, we might find out now. I hope so! > I do too. I suggested this to people at Electrix, but I think they were already dead by the time the Repeater shipped. Anyway, my suggestion is to put the muscle and talent of people on this list into actions. Andre doing a show at Kim's house is great, but it's kind of preaching to the choir. It would be great if Gibson could sponsor a tour to dealers all over. Or have different EDP artists in each region. What I saw from these events is that not only did it turn on people who were in the store to the product, but it educated salespeople to the possibilities of the product which made them better sellers of the item because A) they knew more about it and B) they loved it. I remember a month after the Repeater was shipping I asked a sales person at Guitar Center if they had them and he took me to it and said, "Yeah, here it is. I guess it's kind of cool but it doesn't seem to do much." He clearly had no idea what it did or how you would use it. My fear is that this is also the case with the EDP. (except in the case of Rik Elswit at Banana's at Large. A list member and expert EDP user) I can see Joe salesperson pluging into it and saying, "Huh. I don't hear an echo... What no presets?" Education could go a long way. If I were an EDP user I'd offer to do this for free, but I'm not. I bet a bunch out there might be into it though. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 21:05:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T13To23812; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:03:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-59941020 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 21f440bb aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c36dc3$926e2c50$01b52b04@purgatory> Message-Id: <967C63AE-D9BC-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-59941020 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No, if you were paying attention, it was totally different. On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:22 PM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > >...and you should keep quiet unless you can actually think of a=20 > decent point. "Shut up" is the booster seat of the small mind. > > >Mark Sottilaro > > =A0 > > Kind of like when you told that one poster to unsubscribe =A0J > > =A0 > > =A0 > > > > > =A0 > > -----Original Message----- > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim > > =A0 > > Yeah, product developers shouldn't have to hear what their customers=20= > and potential customers think. That's just silly. > > I put the blurb about me not knowing about developing a product=20 > because I knew that the people I was addressing didn't know the first=20= > thing about retail music sales which I know quite a bit about. Perhaps=20= > we can learn from each other. I'm learning a lot by having this > = debate. > > ...and you should keep quiet unless you can actually think of a decent=20= > point. "Shut up" is the booster seat of the small mind. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:45 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: > > That is why you should just keep quiet and stop complaining since it=20= > could have never even made it to market in the first place. > > DM > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > >>Here is why I think Kim is not right. (although I'll admit > >>that I don't > >>know all the politics and factors that are involved in making > >>a product > >>like the EDP) > --Apple-Mail-4-59941020 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, if you were paying attention, it was totally different. On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:22 PM, | SquidLoop | wrote: = Arial0000,0000,8080>...and you should keep quiet unless you can actually think of a decent point. "Shut up" is the booster seat of the small mind. 0000,0000,8080>Mark Sottilaro = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 = Arial0000,0000,8080Kind of like when you told that one poster to unsubscribe = =A0J = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 Tahoma-----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bad Kim, Bad Kim Times New Roman=A0 Times New RomanYeah, product developers shouldn't have to hear what their customers and potential customers think. That's just silly. I put the blurb about me not knowing about developing a product because I knew that the people I was addressing didn't know the first thing about retail music sales which I know quite a bit about. Perhaps we can learn from each other. I'm learning a lot by having this debate. ...and you should keep quiet unless you can actually think of a decent point. "Shut up" is the booster seat of the small mind. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:45 AM, Don Makoviney = wrote: Times New RomanThat is why you should just keep quiet and stop complaining since it could have never even made it to market in the first place. DM >>-----Original Message----- >>From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >>Here is why I think Kim is not right. (although I'll admit >>that I don't >>know all the politics and factors that are involved in making >>a product >>like the EDP) = --Apple-Mail-4-59941020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 21:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T1ecq28521; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:40:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:40:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:40:23 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: where's the delight...? To: David , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003501c36dce$8a6b8a60$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <008401c36d8d$45ebbf40$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 1) Does everyone remember their first time? -- looping that is? What's > changed for you since then? :: These events changed my life in a big way, focusing my passion for looping sound and manipulating it. I'm sure many of you have shared exactly these events! :: The soundtrack to "You Are What You Eat, " circa 1967, had a track consisting entirely of edited and looped "time-killer vocalizations" from interviews of famous people. Phrases like "you know" and "I mean" and sounds like "uh" and "er" looped and collaged. I was thirteen, maybe fourteen. :: Steve Reich and Musicians in Los Angeles, spring 1975. Live, no tape, but obviously tape-loop inspired. Good Lord, people actually got up and danced! :: The Frippster, The Kitchen, 1979(?). :: Discovering Steve Roach in the past year. > 2) Do you have a special memory when everything seemed to click in a looping > performance? Could you pinpoint what seemed to be going on at the time? :: The moment I discovered the power of adding silence within a loop. I suddenly lept outside myself. Clarity. > 3) What was the last bit of music you did that just made you giggle with > happiness that it had happened? :: A dear friend was married a couple weeks ago. Very informal reception outdoors. Many musicians in attendance, with instruments. We all had a total blast, and I spied myself and a couple others slipping into The Zone, dancing with The Note. Also, playing along with Scofield's CD "Bump" the other night, I was totally aware of missing a moment. > P.S. I just bought some Frank Sinatra CD's. Wow -- these remasters of the > original lp's sound amazing. :: I remember listening to Old Blue Eyes on a jukebox in a diner in the early 80's. He was singing "Send In The Clowns." I started crying, had to hide my face. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 22:04:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T1xup31997; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:59:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:59:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <87DBA8C1-D9B8-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <7EBA7B1D-D9C4-11D7-AD55-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is one heck of a excellent idea. Taylor Guitars sponsors tours of musicians who endorse their guitars, going around to music shops and putting on clinics. The musicians don't get paid allot for it, but it is good publicity all around. I'm sure other companies do this, but i've been to a Taylor guitar clinic so it's my only experience. And the experience was good. Excellent, excellent idea. On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:34 PM, msottilaro wrote: > It would be great if Gibson could sponsor a tour to dealers all over. > Or have different EDP artists in each region. What I saw from these > events is that not only did it turn on people who were in the store to > the product, but it educated salespeople to the possibilities of the > product which made them better sellers of the item because A) they > knew more about it and B) they loved it. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 22:44:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T2bEX04683; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828134023.0346d7c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:40:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cranky Kim In-Reply-To: <20030827165058.91933.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826144716.023d3c70@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6PHc6.A.FJB.ZxrT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:50 AM 8/27/2003, Greg House wrote: >--- Kim Flint wrote: > > Just because something is beyond your budget doesn't mean it doesn't sell > > well. The Echoplex price might be more than you can afford, yet at that > > price they sold every single one they were able to make. That makes it > > really difficult to understand how the price was too high. It's an easier > > argument to say it was too low. > >Or to say that they didn't make enough. Yes! I agree. That's why we went to a huge amount of effort to improve production. But that is not a simple thing. You don't just press a button and quadruple production capacity. You need to have the capital, infrastructure, people, get various design issues cleaned up, etc etc. At a company with many products and many priorities this can take a lot of time, especially with something that is not in the main bread-and-butter end of the product line. Mostly, this is what has been happening and its a lot better now. What I'm reacting to here are various statements about the Echoplex not selling well and efforts to find some cause for that. The basic assumption is wrong. The Echoplex sold awesomely! With practically no need for advertising or sales efforts, they sold out the entire production. That's pretty amazing, and that's why the product still exists. They get good sales without much overhead. There was never some warehouse full of echoplexes that nobody wanted. They didn't need to lower prices to get more sales. If any of that had been true the echoplex would have been killed off years ago along with so many other old Gibson products. That didn't happen. Instead they often had long backorder lists and difficulty keeping the production up to fill them. Many more could have been sold at the same price had they been able to build them fast enough. Now with the EDP+ the production is much better, so perhaps they will finally be able to supply the constant demand for the echoplex that happens even with no marketing effort at all. That doesn't mean they need to lower prices or add some feature, the next step would be to just start giving it more visibility with some advertising and sales efforts. Then more people know about it and are willing to buy one. > > Which part of "it sold out" isn't clear? They made all the ones they had > > capacity to make. They all got sold. 100% capacity used, 100% sold. > >Very efficient, but that really doesn't say anything about the market. If >I make >10 widgets and I sell them all for $1000, that doesn't mean I couldn't >have sold >10,000 widgets at $500 if I'd made them. It also doesn't mean that I couldn't >have sold 30 widgets at $1000 each, if I'd made that many. It also doesn't say you *could* have made more than 10. Increasing production can be hard as I pointed out above. If 10 is all the capacity you had to make and you sold all of them, that's good. Too much demand is a good problem to have. It's a hell of a lot better than Lexicon, who was left with a warehouse of jammans that they couldn't sell, and ultimately had to blow them out at a ridiculous price because the cost of the inventory was killing them. >It only says I managed >to find 10 people desperate enough for my widget to buy all I made at the >price I >sold it at. It doesn't speak to the rest of the market. Right! now you see it. The limit for the #of units of echoplexes sold has always been production capacity. Not price, not sales effort, not features. More people have wanted it than they could keep up with for most of the history of the product. They didn't ever reach a point where they needed to do anything other than keep trying to make more. > > I guess I'm baffled how you reach that conclusion. Look at the prices of > > other gear. Mid-range synths and samplers cost much more than the > Echoplex. > > High end gear in other categories costs WAY more. > > > > So here you have what many people consider a high-end looper in the > > echoplex. The best there is in many people's eyes, and it costs $800. > > Alright, fine, you have to get two for stereo, but that also gives you > some > > nice multi-loop functions. That's $1600 for a high-end stereo looper. > Let's > > compare to street prices of other top gear: [big list deleted] > > You see? It sits right in there pretty well. None of that stuff is > > affordable for you, yet it all sells well. > >I don't think that's a fair comparison. With the exception of the Les Paul (a >hand built craft item, not a mass produced piece of electronic gear), all >those >things perform more then one function. Well, it just depends on how you look at it. Effects units, recording units, synths, samplers, loopers. That's what I see. The echoplex has a LOT of functions and features. Far more than most other looping products. The manual is over 300 pages long, and all it does is describe the features! It's hard to imagine how more could be packed in there. If you look at the Echoplex and can see only one function, then by all means go get an Akai Headrush. It does the same one function and costs a lot less. Anyway, to make you happy, replace Lexicon PCM-81 with PCM-91. Reverb only, $2000. Add in the TC-2290. delay only, $2000. Etc. I'm just illustrating typical pricing points for electronic music products. This is the range where you find the high end of whatever category. $800 for an echoplex is a long way under that. $1600 for stereo is right in there. >Do you think anyone would spend $1440 for >a TC G-force if it only did delays? People still spend $2000 for the 2290 delay. Admittedly that is a little hard to understand, yet that's why TC is still selling them. But why pay $1440 for a TC G-Force if you can get a zoom or boss or digitech product with the same effects for over $1000 less? Or why pay $2000 for an Eventide Eclipse if you can get the TC for $1440? Or $5000 for an Orville? The answer is in the quality and functionality of the product. If you can't perceive the difference between a multi-effect from Eventide, TC, or Zoom, by all means buy the Zoom. >Apparently TC didn't, since they make the >D-2, which sells for about $350. yet they sell the finalizer for $2400. You can get a delay anywhere. But the finalizer is real specific and fairly unique and good at what it does. Therefore, people will pay a lot for it. >Likewise, with the exception of the Les Paul, >they all employ current state of the art hardware technology, not stuff >designed >15 years ago. hahaha, no most of them don't use state of the art technology. They got you fooled if you think so. Most companies in the music industry cannot afford to keep up with state of the art technology. Buy things for what they do for you, not the date stamps on the IC's. > > > My > > >observation from talking to people is that a lot of them really like the > > >idea of > > >an advanced looper until they hear the price. At that point they say > something > > >like "I think I can probably be happy enough with my DL4" or something > > >like that. > > > > if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in > > looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and > > that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end > > product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher > > end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be > > worth it to them. > >I'm just saying that people would like a few more features then the DL4, but >without having to pay several hundred more dollars for them. There doesn't >appear >to be anything in that marketplace. Is it worth $600 to get a feedback control >for your loop? One feature? The only difference you see between a DL-4 and an Echoplex is the feedback control? Most people see way more than that, because there is way more than that. That is why it is worth it to them to buy an Echoplex instead. If all you can see in the Echoplex is feedback control, and that is not worth it to you, then get a Boomerang. It has a basic feedback control. Or a used JamMan. Or string together a bunch of cheap delay pedals and use a volume pedal and mixer to control feedback. >I think there's a market for something with the >looping capability of a DL4 or EchoPro with just another feature (feedback >control) or so. If the Echo Pro had feedback, I'd have one already. As it is, >that makes it a tough decision, since the rest of it looks pretty good, >but it's >lacking that one thing I really like. So now what you've identified is a market opportunity for another looper. That makes a lot of sense really. Let's say Gibson wanted to meet this opportunity. They would do this the way all companies do it, by introducing a new low-end product. This would probably be something like an Echoplex with all the features stripped out except for what's in a DL-4 and a few extras, like feedback. Call it Echoplex Jr., and use the reputation of the high-end Echoplex to give it credibility. They price it about the same as a DL-4. That could easily happen. What they would never do is take the flagship product, widely recognized as a high-end looper with hundreds of features the DL-4 lacks, and simply price it the same as a DL-4 when there are plenty of customers willing to pay much more. That would be foolish. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 23:26:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T3HAe27390; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:17:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Cranky Kim Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:16:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <87DBA8C1-D9B8-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: <5M-wmD.A.4rG.2WsT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Cranky Kim > > > I do too. I suggested this to people at Electrix, but I think they > were already dead by the time the Repeater shipped. Anyway, my > suggestion is to put the muscle and talent of people on this list into > actions. Andre doing a show at Kim's house is great, but it's kind of > preaching to the choir. It would be great if Gibson could sponsor a > tour to dealers all over. Or have different EDP artists in each > region. What I saw from these events is that not only did it turn on > people who were in the store to the product, but it educated > salespeople to the possibilities of the product which made them better > sellers of the item because A) they knew more about it and B) they > loved it. > Hi Mark, Hi List. New list member here... guitar player, been fooling around with the Repeater for a year. I've been following the LD list via the web archive for a while, trying to pick up tips. Maybe it's not auspicious to chime in with a negative comment with my first post, but I'm gonna do it anyway. :-) I own a few esoteric, complex devices like a Roland VG-88 and the Repeater. I don't think lowering the price on these things will suddenly expand the audience, and I'm not sure that widespread demos and availability in stores will do it either. I'm speaking as an outsider here... someone relatively new to looping... part of that "new audience" you're trying to attract. Here are the two main hurdles, as I see it: 1) Many musicians aren't interested in free-form, solo performance, ambient style music. If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates, unless they're another looping musician. Don't underestimate this. I almost bailed out of looping, until I finally figured out that I could learn how to stomp on the pedal in time with the downbeat if I really worked at it. This is something everyone here probably takes for granted, but it's an enormous barrier for newcomers... especially those used to working with live musicians where there is more live human interaction in tempo feel. 2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music background (blues and jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song structures like A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working at it for a year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar length with the first recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section is a different number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing nightmare of arming and switching between loops. And then there is the problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up a looped "A" section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then suddenly move to naked guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new bass line and new rhythm chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape style, you can't hide these transitions with washes of delay and reverb tails. To the extent that the Repeater (or any other looper) fits my style, I'll use it. But I'm not going to warp my entire musical concept to fit what the box can do. It's possible that all the people who love ambient/techno music have already found their way to these products, so there may not be a huge market left to expand into. To be clear, I love my Repeater. I love it enough to have bought a second one when I heard Electrix was going out of business, as a backup (that funky non-replaceable power supply scares me). But I don't see it as a tool that will instantly appeal to the vast majority of musicians, until the capabilities of loopers (and especially, the user interface) go through a few more product evolution cycles. P.S. this is all in the context of the Repeater... the only looper I understand, and I'm still just a beginner. If the EDP does a better job of handling traditional AABA song formats, please let me know. That's one reason I joined the list! Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 28 23:33:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T3UeV29764; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:30:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:30:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <163.2503eeef.2c8022d1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:30:25 EDT Subject: Re: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_163.2503eeef.2c8022d1_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: <4qptKC.A.6QH.gjsT_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_163.2503eeef.2c8022d1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/03 10:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > , then get a Boomerang. It has a basic feedback control. from the rang web site: There are 7 decay rates to choose from: 1 is no decay, 2 provides about 22 repeats (the rate of the original Rang), 3 thru 6 are progressively quicker and 7 is slapback (1 repeat). The faster decay rates and latching STACK button make the Rang a great tap tempo delay. You can use loop A as a phrase sampler and loop B as a traditional delay effect. Independent decay rates can be set for loops A and B. --part1_163.2503eeef.2c8022d1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/28/0= 3 10:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


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There are 7 decay rates to choose from: 1 is no decay, 2 provides about 22 r= epeats (the rate of the original Rang), 3 thru 6 are progressively quicker a= nd 7 is slapback (1 repeat). The faster decay rates and latching STACK butto= n make the Rang a great tap tempo delay. You can use loop A as a phrase samp= ler and loop B as a traditional delay effect. Independent decay rates can be= set for loops A and B.




 --part1_163.2503eeef.2c8022d1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 01:04:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T515j15884; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:01:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:01:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7EBA7B1D-D9C4-11D7-AD55-000A95864C54@mac.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com See, I'm not always an asshole. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > This is one heck of a excellent idea. Taylor Guitars sponsors tours > of musicians who endorse their guitars, going around to music shops > and putting on clinics. The musicians don't get paid allot for it, but > it is good publicity all around. > I'm sure other companies do this, but i've been to a Taylor guitar > clinic so it's my only experience. > > And the experience was good. > > Excellent, excellent idea. > > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:34 PM, msottilaro wrote: > >> It would be great if Gibson could sponsor a tour to dealers all >> over. Or have different EDP artists in each region. What I saw from >> these events is that not only did it turn on people who were in the >> store to the product, but it educated salespeople to the >> possibilities of the product which made them better sellers of the >> item because A) they knew more about it and B) they loved it. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 01:19:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T5EaF17460; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:14:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:14:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Mark the Archangel Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:14:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com See, I'm not always an asshole. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > This is one heck of a excellent idea. Taylor Guitars sponsors tours > of musicians who endorse their guitars, going around to music shops > and putting on clinics. The musicians don't get paid allot for it, but > it is good publicity all around. > I'm sure other companies do this, but i've been to a Taylor guitar > clinic so it's my only experience. > > And the experience was good. > > Excellent, excellent idea. > > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:34 PM, msottilaro wrote: > >> It would be great if Gibson could sponsor a tour to dealers all >> over. Or have different EDP artists in each region. What I saw from >> these events is that not only did it turn on people who were in the >> store to the product, but it educated salespeople to the >> possibilities of the product which made them better sellers of the >> item because A) they knew more about it and B) they loved it. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > however Mark would have to buy an EDP to participate (?) Gary PS I own two taylors but have never been to a clinic--was at the factory last week tho--incredible place, if ever in san Diego (El Cajon) I recommend you go for a FREE tour. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 01:49:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T5kfD23641; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listening to this track with guitar in hand now--Em in 6/8. Six note riff goes E B G A F# C--all eighth notes. Soloes over it--Synth percussion when available. Starts getting wild and crazy after 6 minutes. Bitchin' train sounds at 7:11--look out baby there's a train a'comin'! Sorbet-like cool-down refresher at the end for the last 30 seconds. For you guitar players, it looks like this: -------------- -------------- ---4---2---5-- -2---5---4---- -------------- -------------- Nice touch, great riff, and girls, he's good looking! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 02:06:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T62hW27065; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828220001.02570a98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:04:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Cranky Kim In-Reply-To: References: <87DBA8C1-D9B8-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, first off Madonna Brittny Christina: Open Mouth Kiss having trouble concentrating on anything else.... At 08:16 PM 8/28/2003, Mike Barrs wrote: >Hi Mark, Hi List. > >New list member here... guitar player, been fooling around with the Repeater >for a year. Hi Mike! Welcome to Looper's Anonymous! >1) Many musicians aren't interested in free-form, solo performance, ambient >style music. that's true. Most probably aren't. But why assume that looping can only be stuck in that ghetto? Obviously it also fits fine with hip hop, industrial, numerous dance styles, rock music crossing over to either. Or for that matter, any music emphasizing grooves and repetition. It's used by acoustic fingerstyle guitarists with a bluegrass background, jam bands, jazz vocalists, and all sorts of others. It's just a technique. You can use it anywhere. >If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier >because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates, unless >they're another looping musician. That's true if the looper is a beginner and doesn't know how to adjust their loops with the music around them. It's no different from a beginner on any other instrument. How well does someone who just started playing drums play with others? That's gonna be just as much a tempo problem! The tricky bit is getting people to realize looping is not a preset on their effect box. You actually need to learn stuff and practice. >Don't underestimate this. I almost bailed >out of looping, until I finally figured out that I could learn how to stomp >on the pedal in time with the downbeat if I really worked at it. great! that's a really important step actually. You control the loop, not vice versa. That includes tempo. >This is >something everyone here probably takes for granted, but it's an enormous >barrier for newcomers... especially those used to working with live >musicians where there is more live human interaction in tempo feel. > >2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music background (blues and >jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song structures like >A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a >traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working at it for a >year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar length with the first >recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section is a different >number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing >nightmare of arming and switching between loops. seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not looping. That's simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be able to do it too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of forcing all the loops to be the same length. >And then there is the >problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up a looped "A" >section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then suddenly move to naked >guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new bass line and new rhythm >chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape style, you can't >hide these transitions with washes of delay and reverb tails. But there are many other ways to deal with that. For example, using real-time copies with multiple loops can allow you to smoothly put some base into different loops and them build them differently from there. Or, for example, recording several loops in series before letting them repeat. So you play the verse as its recorded, go directly to the chorus as it records, then switch back to the verse loop and let it repeat as you add to it. To some extent too, think about arrangement. what the hell are you talking about AABA where you've recorded multiple overdubs over the A loop before you ever get to B? Or bass and rhythm and lead while also talking about looping with multiple people? Can't the bass player make his own loop? >To the extent that the Repeater (or any other looper) fits my style, I'll >use it. But I'm not going to warp my entire musical concept to fit what the >box can do. it was kind of designed by dj's who played dance music. but not all loopers came from that perspective. >It's possible that all the people who love ambient/techno music have already >found their way to these products, so there may not be a huge market left to >expand into. well, no not really. Maybe all the ambient musicians did. But other than those 100 people there's lots of others who could easily be looping and more and more are. >To be clear, I love my Repeater. I love it enough to have bought a second >one when I heard Electrix was going out of business, as a backup (that funky >non-replaceable power supply scares me). But I don't see it as a tool that >will instantly appeal to the vast majority of musicians, until the >capabilities of loopers (and especially, the user interface) go through a >few more product evolution cycles. i would suggest you at least try and echoplex and see if it works for you. >P.S. this is all in the context of the Repeater... the only looper I >understand, and I'm still just a beginner. If the EDP does a better job of >handling traditional AABA song formats, please let me know. That's one >reason I joined the list! that was a big goal of the features the echoplex has for multiple loops. you might try it to see if it works for you. I think the multiloop function of the boomerang also can do this since it was developed by texas rockers. The like AABA. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 04:44:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7T8gLa13868; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018a01c36e09$4a3a4680$a663f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308290246.h7T2k3G08601@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Best Looping Memories (was ' where's the delight...?') Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:41:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com these are my best looping memories..........please forgive me for changing the thread name but I was thinking of newbies searching the archives and thought this title might be easier to search. > > 1) Does everyone remember their first time? -- looping that is? What's > > changed for you since then? I remember seeing Jaco Pastorius with Weather Report use a short digital delay loop of some harmonics that he had played and then soloed over it amazingly as the band left the stage. I remember thinking, 'Wow, the whole musical world is about to change'. It was several years later before I bought my first Lexicon JamPerson although I predated that with one performance with old tube tape echoplexes that all three of us used to create long unsynchonized loops back in 1982. > > 2) Do you have a special memory when everything seemed to click in a looping > > performance? Could you pinpoint what seemed to be going on at the time? I remember playing at the 1st Big Sur Looping Festival under the amazing canopy of redwood trees at the Henry Miller Gallery in Big Sur. I had just purchased a strange and wonderful one string Vietnamese zither the day before called a BAU. I played this instrument with a slide and the instruments own whammy bar and then played an invented instrument I made called the Glass Ghatam and I remember looking up at the redwoods playing this strange, exotic and very, very simple looping music and thinking, "It's a good day to die.................I've done every wonderful thing I ever had hoped to do and now I'm doing things that I hadn't even dreamt of doing two days before". I felt really blessed that I had discovered the world of live looping. Another galvanizing moment was when I saw Andre LaFosse use an old Roland drum machine to retriggered his glitchy loops that he had quantize replaced on his EDP at the Y2K2 Live Looping Festival last summer....................... the piece started very jagged and abstract and intellectual and when suddenly all the little segments had been replaced there was an amazing and very strange funk groove that appeared magically. It took everything in my power not to leap on stage and start beatboxing wildly. Only my respect for Dre and the knowledge that it would probably have non-plussed him for me to do such a narcissistic thing kept me back but I remember, literally, having to sit on my hands to keep from jumping up. A truly amazing moment in my life............................then I knew I had to finally get an EDP!!!! LOL!!!! > > 3) What was the last bit of music you did that just made you giggle with > > happiness that it had happened? I was at the end of this summer's European/Brit Isles looping tour playing with amazing group of talented and innovative Italian loopers from Firenze (Florence). It was in the middle of a beautiful ampitheatre outside a modern art museum in the suburbs of Florence (Prato) and the day had been incredibly hot. I decided to play my last piece on the melodica (which had become my favorite instrument of the tour). I was just really in the zone: and the most melancholy piece started coming out of me and I realized that I was finally writing/improvising the piece that I needed to write to honor my dear mothers' passing this summer. It made me giggle with happiness and almost break into tears............................all in the same song and I just knew that my Mom was really, really happy for me somewhere. It came out so wonderfully (the whole concert) that I"m thinking of possibly releasing a four to six song EP of my tour shows this coming fall. I just released a live CD this past year but the music I was playing was so different and my headspace was in such a different place. If I do release it, I'll include all four tunes from the Firenze show.....................just in the zone, as they say. ****************************************************** cool thread, thanks for the suggestion. It brought up a lot of good memories for me. Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 08:11:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TC8rX06223; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Cranky Kim Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:08:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36E26.4E8CF8A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36E26.4E8CF8A0 Content-Type: text/plain >>>2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music >>background (blues >>>and >>>jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song >>structures like >>>A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a >>>traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working >>at it for a >>>year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar >>length with the first >>>recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section >>is a different >>>number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing >>>nightmare of arming and switching between loops. >> >>seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not >>looping. That's >>simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be >>able to do it >>too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of forcing >>all the loops >>to be the same length. Yes Kim, you're right. The Boomerang allows you to have two different loops of size. I use that a lot. Guys like Keller Williams write very simple AABA songs using an Echoplex. Blues, bluegrass, funk. All that stuff. Loopers work great for more traditional stuff. Check out DJ Williams too. >> >>>And then there is the >>>problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up >>a looped >>>"A" section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then >>suddenly move >>>to naked guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new >>bass line and >>>new rhythm chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape >>>style, you can't hide these transitions with washes of delay >>and reverb >>>tails. Keller Williams also does this well. He builds up a section then just stops the Echoplex and goes to a single live (unlooped) guitar and his voice. It's pretty powerful and works well. I believe the EDP also allows you to copy over to other loops so when you get a good simply stacked loop (i.e. bass drums and a rhythm for example) you can copy that puppy to another loop, right? (I'm just going off what I glean from the lists. . .I don't own one.) On my Boomerang I can switch from recording a loop to b loop with one button so I often just keep playing the same thing (like a bass line or guitar riff) onto the other loop too so I have two loops of the same thing. It's not as easy as simply COPYING a working loop like with the Echoplex, but I didn't spend the extra few hundred for the EDP (dang it). It requires a slight bit more maneuvering and forethought (like maybe remembering to also play the next couple of things I stack on the B loop too), but it works in a fairly logical manner. Mark, seriously, check out Keller's live album called "Loop". There's some great stuff on there in the "traditional" style you seem to come from. He uses an Echoplex. HTH, Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36E26.4E8CF8A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Cranky Kim

>>>2) Someone like me who comes from a = traditional music
>>background (blues
>>>and
>>>jazz) automatically thinks in terms of = traditional song
>>structures like
>>>A-A-B-A. How many people on this list = have actually tried to loop a
>>>traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse = song? I've been working
>>at it for a
>>>year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater = fixes the bar
>>length with the first
>>>recorded track, so forget an AABA song = where the "B" section
>>is a different
>>>number of bars, unless you want to get = into a Midi pedal tap dancing
>>>nightmare of arming and switching = between loops.
>>
>>seems to me your problem is specific with = the repeater, not
>>looping. That's
>>simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The = boomerang might be
>>able to do it
>>too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same = problem of forcing
>>all the loops
>>to be the same length.

Yes Kim, you're right. The Boomerang allows you to = have two different loops of size. I use that a lot. Guys like Keller = Williams write very simple AABA songs using an Echoplex. Blues, = bluegrass, funk. All that stuff. Loopers work great for more = traditional stuff. Check out DJ Williams too.


>>
>>>And then there is the
>>>problem of the "crash to a = singularity" when you've built up
>>a looped
>>>"A" section with bass, rhythm = guitar and lead, and then
>>suddenly move
>>>to naked guitar on the "B" = section because it needs a new
>>bass line and
>>>new rhythm chords. If you're not working = in the ambient soundscape
>>>style, you can't hide these transitions = with washes of delay
>>and reverb
>>>tails.

Keller Williams also does this well. He builds up a = section then just stops the Echoplex and goes to a single live = (unlooped) guitar and his voice. It's pretty powerful and works well. I = believe the EDP also allows you to copy over to other loops so when you = get a good simply stacked loop (i.e. bass drums and a rhythm for = example) you can copy that puppy to another loop, right? (I'm just = going off what I glean from the lists. . .I don't own one.) On my = Boomerang I can switch from recording a loop to b loop with one button = so I often just keep playing the same thing (like a bass line or guitar = riff) onto the other loop too so I have two loops of the same thing. = It's not as easy as simply COPYING a working loop like with the = Echoplex, but I didn't spend the extra few hundred for the EDP (dang = it). It requires a slight bit more maneuvering and forethought (like = maybe remembering to also play the next couple of things I stack on the = B loop too), but it works in a fairly logical manner.

Mark, seriously, check out Keller's live album called = "Loop". There's some great stuff on there in the = "traditional" style you seem to come from. He uses an = Echoplex.

HTH,

Don M

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36E26.4E8CF8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 10:42:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TEdSf27359; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:39:24 -0700 Subject: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results (was RE: Cranky Kim) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308290844.h7T8iA814034@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <9571151A-DA2E-11D7-B236-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. Re-triggering on the downbeat won't help if the loop is of any significant length, since you'll quickly be out of sync with everything that comes after that. Re-recording the loop is probably inpractical if you've got a few layers and/or the loop is more than a few seconds long, since you probably won't have time to re-do the loop before either the next section arrives or the tempo shifts...again. What sort of adjustments would you suggest in such a situation? *** I think the EDP (like many tools) leads to, even requires, new ways of working. Trying to shoehorn it into previous musical forms, such as an AABA song is sort of a dead-end. But there's so many things you can do with it that you couldn't do before, and those are the things to go after. I'm primarily using mine in a solo acoustic guitar context, and while I usually end up with with two or three related loops (via multiply and loop copy) which I can switch between to provide a verse/chorus/bridge type structure, there's no way around the first minute or two of building up those loops. You can't just go verse/chorus/verse/chorus/middle/chorus/chorus right from step one, since the first pass of each section has only one layer. This doesn't bother me much, and the the exploratory section of each piece which includes building each loop is just part of the piece. Each tune ends up being about ten minutes long, but that's just how it is. Personally I never liked the idea of pre-loading loops in the way the Repeater promised. TravisH On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:44 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier >> because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates, >> unless >> they're another looping musician. > > That's true if the looper is a beginner and doesn't know how to adjust > their loops with the music around them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 10:59:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TEu6A30273; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:56:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:56:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030829145604.79878.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7EBA7B1D-D9C4-11D7-AD55-000A95864C54@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre LaFosse, Steve Lawson, and Rick Walker already did a tour together. They're all EDP endorsees now. It'd be very cool if Gibson would sponsor their next time out. Greg --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > This is one heck of a excellent idea. Taylor Guitars sponsors tours > of musicians who endorse their guitars, going around to music shops and > putting on clinics. The musicians don't get paid allot for it, but it > is good publicity all around. > I'm sure other companies do this, but i've been to a Taylor guitar > clinic so it's my only experience. > > And the experience was good. > > Excellent, excellent idea. > > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:34 PM, msottilaro wrote: > > > It would be great if Gibson could sponsor a tour to dealers all over. > > Or have different EDP artists in each region. What I saw from these > > events is that not only did it turn on people who were in the store to > > the product, but it educated salespeople to the possibilities of the > > product which made them better sellers of the item because A) they > > knew more about it and B) they loved it. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 11:05:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TF3J600724; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030829150317.9492.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:03:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Boomerang feedback control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <163.2503eeef.2c8022d1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/28/03 10:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > > then get a Boomerang. It has a basic feedback control. > > from the rang web site: > There are 7 decay rates to choose from: 1 is no decay, 2 provides about 22 > repeats (the rate of the original Rang), 3 thru 6 are progressively quicker and > 7 is slapback (1 repeat). The faster decay rates and latching STACK button > make the Rang a great tap tempo delay. You can use loop A as a phrase sampler > and > loop B as a traditional delay effect. Independent decay rates can be set for > loops A and B. But...you still have to set it ahead of time. You can't change it while the loop's playing, and you can't continuously control it. It's better then not having any control over it, but it's still not like being able to vary it while you're playing with a pedal. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 11:06:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TF3vn00903; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:03:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:03:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030829150355.59011.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Keep working, you'll get there! Greg --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > See, I'm not always an asshole. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > This is one heck of a excellent idea. Taylor Guitars sponsors tours > > of musicians who endorse their guitars, going around to music shops > > and putting on clinics. The musicians don't get paid allot for it, but > > it is good publicity all around. > > I'm sure other companies do this, but i've been to a Taylor guitar > > clinic so it's my only experience. > > > > And the experience was good. > > > > Excellent, excellent idea. > > > > > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:34 PM, msottilaro wrote: > > > >> It would be great if Gibson could sponsor a tour to dealers all > >> over. Or have different EDP artists in each region. What I saw from > >> these events is that not only did it turn on people who were in the > >> store to the product, but it educated salespeople to the > >> possibilities of the product which made them better sellers of the > >> item because A) they knew more about it and B) they loved it. > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > >> > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 11:08:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TF50a01118; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:05:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:05:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030829150458.93525.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Mark the Archangel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote:> > See, I'm not always an asshole. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > This is one heck of a excellent idea. Taylor Guitars sponsors tours > > of musicians who endorse their guitars, going around to music shops > > and putting on clinics. The musicians don't get paid allot for it, but > > it is good publicity all around. > > I'm sure other companies do this, but i've been to a Taylor guitar > > clinic so it's my only experience. > > > > And the experience was good. > > > > Excellent, excellent idea. > > > > > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:34 PM, msottilaro wrote: > > > >> It would be great if Gibson could sponsor a tour to dealers all > >> over. Or have different EDP artists in each region. What I saw from > >> these events is that not only did it turn on people who were in the > >> store to the product, but it educated salespeople to the > >> possibilities of the product which made them better sellers of the > >> item because A) they knew more about it and B) they loved it. > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > >> > > > > > however Mark would have to buy an EDP to participate (?) Naw, he can just dance in the cage and mud wrestle. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 11:18:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TFFeS04558; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:15:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:15:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Using new tools with other musicians Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:15:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <9571151A-DA2E-11D7-B236-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Travis If you're playing with other musicians, I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. Trying to shoehorn it into previous musical forms, such as an AABA song is sort of a dead-end. TravisH On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:44 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier >> because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates, >> unless >> they're another looping musician. > > That's true if the looper is a beginner and doesn't know how to adjust > their loops with the music around them. WEELLL . . . this is a particular issue for me, as I use sequences as well in a solo context, and also with other musicians. My take on this is, you are the leader when you have the "hot potato" of the loop or sequence (or CD, whatever). The musicians with whom I work do not always allow me that privilege. I do have some dates coming up at the Hyatt next to Seaport Village where I am required to bring sequences, and hope that situation is agreeable (I have never played with the musicians on the date--one of them is the fine San Diego based trumpeter Gilbert Castellanos) http://www.groundfloorentertainment.com/gilbert_castellanos.htm In the future it will be easier to "adjust" loops and software based processors are probably the platform. For now I am happy with what I have--the EDP sure beats the Jamman! I never could get it to do what I wanted . . . Those other guys who make it happen with 32 seconds astound me. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 11:22:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TFJSP05362; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:19:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:19:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030829151918.2805.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results (was RE: Cranky Kim) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9571151A-DA2E-11D7-B236-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis wrote: > If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo > shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent > information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. Unless you're using a Repeater, in which case, you just tap in the tempo and it adjusts the audio in your loop to fit it (without a glitch, without changing the pitch). Stretch, contract, whatever. It can go a long way before the audio starts sounding funny. It's really amazing in this regard. > I think the EDP (like many tools) leads to, even requires, new ways of > working. Trying to shoehorn it into previous musical forms, such as an > AABA song is sort of a dead-end. It certainly offers the option of working in new ways, but I don't think it restricts you from working in more traditional forms. You have to plan what you're doing in a different way though, and switching musical sections of a piece requires more then just playing something differently. > Personally I never liked the idea of pre-loading loops in the way > the Repeater promised. I don't use the Repeaters storage that way, but it sure is nice to be able to come back to a snapshot of a loop you did last week, or last year. Gives you a good memory. I don't record much of the music I make, so hearing a bit of my old loops is fun. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 11:39:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TFbhU09326; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:37:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:37:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Using new tools with other musicians Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:37:17 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C36E54.316CD4B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 0000000008C74AD07A724040B9F59D63B12FAB05A4B82700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C36E54.316CD4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier >> because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates, >> unless they're another looping musician. I've been playing with many non-looping but freely improvising musicians, myself being the only looper in the band. What you have to do in that situation is to adapt your looping. This is IMO very easy with the EDO as you can quickly empty the loop and make a new one and even adjust the loop length by unrounded multiply (hope that's the correct name for it, haven't read the manual for some time now). Before I got my EDP I used to rent a Jamman for gigs and tap the tempo, but I found that much harder. 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I never do that either. In fact I try to never relay on the CFC card at = all. This means I'm playing mostly one or two loops into the Repeater an then = I change them all the time. I have found out that the machine is way = faster when working only in RAM and you can record in faster PBM's. An exception is if I'm doing a clinic. Then I can load a drum loop from = the CFC card just to demonstrate the time stretching in action.=20 Best wishes =20 Per Boysen ------------> O www.boysen.se ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C36E54.36A64380 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+IhoPAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGAAcAAQAAAAAAAAEGgAMADgAAANMHCAAd ABEAJQAAAAUAOgEBA5AGAKgHAAAtAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAAD AC4AAAAAAAIBMQABAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAIx0rQenJAQLn1nWOxL6sFZLgnAAMANgAAAAAAHgBwAAEA AABJAAAATG9vcGluZyB3aXRoIG90aGVyIG11c2ljaWFucywgbmV3IHRvb2xzPW5ldyByZXN1bHRz ICh3YXMgUkU6IENyYW5reSBLaW0pAAAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAHDbkM2epMEG90FkUHJv6slAh7B euIAAAIBHQwBAAAAEwAAAFNNVFA6UEVSQEJPWVNFTi5TRQAACwABDgAAAABAAAYOAHYKY0NuwwEC AQoOAQAAABgAAAAAAAAACMdK0HpyQEC59Z1jsS+rBcKAAAADABQOAAAAAAsAHw4BAAAAHgAoDgEA AAAvAAAAMDAwMDAwMDMBcGVyQGJveXNlbi5zZQFJbnRlcm5ldGJvbGFnZXQsIGJveXNlbgAAHgAp DgEAAAAvAAAAMDAwMDAwMDMBcGVyQGJveXNlbi5zZQFJbnRlcm5ldGJvbGFnZXQsIGJveXNlbgAA AgEJEAEAAABZAgAAVQIAAHwDAABMWkZ1ITZGbQMACgByY3BnMTI14jIDQ3RleAVBAQMB9/8KgAKk A+QHEwKAD/MAUARWPwhVB7IRJQ5RAwECAGNo4QrAc2V0MgYABsMRJfYzBEYTtzASLBEzCO8J97Y7 GB8OMDURIgxgYwBQMwsJAWQzNhZQC6YgPjQgUASQcwIgB0BseUAgSSBuZXYSgWwEaWsJgCB0aGUg AmkBAGEgb2YgcKUYIC0XsGFkC4BnHjA4b29wBCALgB6Td2EeeQqiCoAc8B6iUmVwfx8ADrAFwB9g A3AEAAmALmchJCEkHcZkbx6RIiAgZGVpHqFyLh2wA6BmpwDQBUAdwHRyHaB0JFA/HeQYIAtgHaAC IB6TQ0boQyBjCxEgJJEdcSUgNFRoBAAgB4AGIkknnm0fUCbRH+IEYHN0HZHnAiAewAWxdHckUCAm JiH/IasDkR6hA6AdwBPRH/AewG8eoSlgHXEek3QHcSUhIO8T4B4AJWAIYG4egAhgBUD/JHMeogDB KKAqgSixIPElYZsqIBKBdyziKvByax/ixwIgHZEggVJBTSyRHoD+eQhgJ7EDoBggBaEegCCBQTF1 UEJNJ3Mi+0H7A6AOwGMh8C6AJxEosQaQbykzJEAf4h8QYx5AAwBjHyhyLPQDkR+iOCFkcnWfKWAg IiVgA2EnPGp1KiB/JhIBAARgAIAl4CIhLjcg/zyBFCAwoiAAIIElgTbxJSC9IwpCB5AFQAPxHrBz ISTDPtUdESBCb3kUEAuQrSEzLUIpHPBPISR3Q3C2LgbgQYIuFBAhJH1EsAAAAB4AQhABAAAANAAA ADwyMDAzMDgyOTE1MTkxOC4yODA1LnFtYWlsQHdlYjIxMzAzLm1haWwueWFob28uY29tPgADAJIQ AQAAAAIBFDoBAAAAEAAAAKrDvBbRcaZNsTv6LPWWoDgDAN4/n04AAAMACVkBAAAAAwBAZQAAAAAL ABOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAADhQAAAAAAAAMAJ4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGF AAAAAAAACwBQgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAgoUAAAEAAAADAFyACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAA RgAAAABShQAA45ABAB4AXYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABQAAADEwLjAAAAAA CwBegAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAADoUAAAAAAAADAF+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAQ hQAAAAAAAAMAYYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAACwBigAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAABoUAAAAAAAACAfgPAQAAABAAAAAIx0rQenJAQLn1nWOxL6sFAgH6DwEAAAAQAAAACMdK 0HpyQEC59Z1jsS+rBQIB+w8BAAAAngAAAAAAAAA4obsQBeUQGqG7CAArKlbCAABtc3BzdC5kbGwA AAAAAE5JVEH5v7gBAKoAN9luAAAAQzpcRG9jdW1lbnRzIGFuZCBTZXR0aW5nc1xQZXIgQm95c2Vu XExva2FsYSBpbnN05GxsbmluZ2FyXEFwcGxpY2F0aW9uIERhdGFcTWljcm9zb2Z0XE91dGxvb2tc T3V0bG9vay5wc3QAAAADAP4PBQAAAAMADTT9NwIAAgEUNAEAAAAQAAAATklUQfm/uAEAqgA32W4A AAIBfwABAAAAMQAAADAwMDAwMDAwMDhDNzRBRDA3QTcyNDA0MEI5RjU5RDYzQjEyRkFCMDVDNEI4 MjcwMAAAAAADAAYQ6LLvyQMABxC7AQAAAwAQEAEAAAADABEQAAAAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAFBFUlNP TkFMTFlJTkVWRVJMSUtFRFRIRUlERUFPRlBSRS1MT0FESU5HTE9PUFNJTlRIRVdBWVRIRVJFUEVB VEVSUFJPTUlTRURJTkVWRVJET1RIQVRFSVRIRVJJTkZBQ1RJVFIAAAAAcs0= ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C36E54.36A64380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 12:11:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TG6nc15681; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:06:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:06:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030829160647.24615.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Looping traditional musical forms / looping philosophy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mike Barrs wrote: > Here are the two main hurdles, as I see it: > > 1) Many musicians aren't interested in free-form, solo performance, ambient > style music. If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier > because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates, unless > they're another looping musician. Don't underestimate this. I occasionally play loops with other (non-looping) musicians. Some get into it, some don't. A good friend of mine (a bass player) absolutely loves to do free form stuff with me. To me, this just means you won't play loops with everyone you play music with. The ones that enjoy it will REALLY enjoy it. In the same sense that I wouldn't play lap steel in every group I play with, I don't use my looper every time I go out. > I almost bailed > out of looping, until I finally figured out that I could learn how to stomp > on the pedal in time with the downbeat if I really worked at it. This is > something everyone here probably takes for granted, but it's an enormous > barrier for newcomers... especially those used to working with live > musicians where there is more live human interaction in tempo feel. You have a Repeater, which easily accomodates this. When you notice your loop drifting from the other musicians (shouldn't happen if they were listening to each other, but reality being what it is, and most musicians being what they are...), you just tap the corrected tempo into the Repeater and it'll fix it for you. You don't need to retrigger the start of the loop every bar or two. > 2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music background (blues and > jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song structures like > A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a > traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I'm not one, but there are several people here that have talked about doing that. I know John Mazzarella is one, you might check the archives for some of his posts. > I've been working at it for a > year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar length with the first > recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section is a different > number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing > nightmare of arming and switching between loops. That's because they expect you to change loops, not tracks, when you move to another musical section. I haven't tried it, but you should be able to program a midi controller to switch to the next loop and start recording with one button press. The Repeater's loop switching latency may prevent that though, so what you might do is program one pedal to switch to the next loop (at loop end), then start recording in that loop when you get there. If that won't work for you, you might have to pre-record the loops in the lengths you're going to use beforehand. To do this, you'd tap in the tempo, record silence in loop1 for as long as you want, record silence in loop2 for as long as the next section, loop3, etc, THEN go back and start recording your music into the spaces you've created for it, switching loops where appropriate. OR do two or more sections together. For example, if you were doing a form ABAB, you'd record A and B together before ending the loop, or even the entire thing. The Repeater lends itself well to this approach because of the very long loop lengths it provides (up to 8 minutes per loop). >From what I've read, the EDP lends itself to this loop switching much better then the Repeater, since you can switch loops directly into record with one press of a button (no midi required), and can alter the loop length on the fly while you're playing. > And then there is the > problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up a looped "A" > section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then suddenly move to naked > guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new bass line and new rhythm > chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape style, you can't > hide these transitions with washes of delay and reverb tails. This is a different issue entirely, and not one exclusive to the Repeater. If you're doing all kinds of different parts and layering up a whole bunch of stuff before moving to the next section of the piece, you're always going to have problems like this. As someone else said, it would be easier to move through the different parts adding a layer at a time instead. That said, if you can get to a Phil Keaggy concert, this guy does this better then anyone I've ever seen. I don't really hear it on his recordings, but in concert he uses loops on every single song. And all he does are traditional song arrangements, no "washy ambient" material at all. He does the entire show solo, with a Lexicon Jamman and the loops come in and out all the time. It's pretty much seemless too. If you weren't watching him dance around on the footpedals, and hearing other parts coming and going when there's only one guy on the stage, you'd probably never know he was looping (ie, if you only heard the audio). It's really quite amazing, and it sounds like what he's doing exactly what you want to do. I saw him recently and noticed that he does things to compensate for the disappearance of the loop part as he's playing. For example, he'll make a dramatic creshendo and intentionally use the buildup and immediate stop in the music as part of his arrangement, or he'll play his guitar louder when stopping the loop so that the volume at the transition is similar. > To the extent that the Repeater (or any other looper) fits my style, I'll > use it. But I'm not going to warp my entire musical concept to fit what the > box can do. A tool is a tool, and you can either use it to augment what you do, or augment what you do to use it. The choice is your's, but to say you won't adjust what you do to accomodate a different tool doesn't really allow you to fully utilize it. That applies to anything, from a new guitar (more pickups, more strings, different tuning) to a distortion box, to a complex effects unit, to a looper. That's not to say that it's bad. Some people make great music with just an acoustic guitar. Other's want to use the giant rack-o-fun. It's about using whatever helps you. > To be clear, I love my Repeater. I love it enough to have bought a second > one when I heard Electrix was going out of business, as a backup (that funky > non-replaceable power supply scares me). But I don't see it as a tool that > will instantly appeal to the vast majority of musicians, until the > capabilities of loopers (and especially, the user interface) go through a > few more product evolution cycles. There are a couple of ways of using loopers that would work for virtually any musician. I haven't seen any of the marketing for existing loopers exploit these things. One is as a practice tool. For example, if I'm working on a new song and am thinking about what guitar part I want to play, it's very convenient to play the chords for a section into my looper and then experiment playing parts over them as they loop. Sure, I could do the same thing with a 4tk, or a computer, or make another musician sit there and play the stuff while I mess around, but it's just SO fast and easy with the looper. About 15 seconds of setup time, immediate access. Very efficient. Another thing that loopers are particularly well suited to is making interesting music by yourself. There's a huge number of people out there who've gotten sick of "the band scene" and all the frustrations that go with that, but they still love music and want to do it. A looper allows a great way to have something to hear and react to while playing by yourself. I fall into that category myself. My family life, job, and schedule in general makes it hard to rehearse with other people very much. And frankly, I'm sick to death of trying to sort through a world of flakey musicians to find 3-4 that will even show up for a rehearsal without being a total jerk or leaving after a month of two. I just want to make some music, I'm tired of dealing with people's whacked out personalities and depending on people who are not reliable. Using a looper allows me to play, rehearse, or just mess around any time I have the time to do it. > P.S. this is all in the context of the Repeater... the only looper I > understand, and I'm still just a beginner. If the EDP does a better job of > handling traditional AABA song formats, please let me know. You'll probably hear this more from the people using them, but from everything I can tell, the EDP IS more suited for that sort of thing. There are probably ways to make your Repeater do what you want too. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 12:49:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TGlqi21390; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:47:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:47:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Looping traditional musical forms / looping philosophy Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:47:40 +0200 Message-ID: <001d01c36e4d$461ae250$b42359d5@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030829160647.24615.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mike Barrs wrote: >> The Repeater fixes the bar > length with the > > first recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" > section is > > a different number of bars, unless you want to get into a > Midi pedal > > tap dancing nightmare of arming and switching between loops. Hey, that "fixed bar length" is only within the first loop as long as you develop the song only by adding audio to those four tracks. But if you create many loops before filling up the tracks you are free to use different lengths (but of course the "bar lenght" will be the same, as it can only change by a new tempo or time signature). I have a repeater and I programmed my midi foot controller (a FCB1010) to change loop. I have five buttons for the first five loops (I very seldom record that many loops, mostly only two or three). When I'm still playing in loop one, I step on the loop two button and the repeater goes into "waiting-to-change-loop" mode. I can now go into next loop with two buttons: PLAY (if I have already recorded a "loop 2") or, as for creating "loop 2", RECORD. So I have the entire loop length of time to press two foot buttons (no stress ;-) - LOOP 2 and RECORD. What happens then is when the repeater comes to the end of loop 1 it goes directly into recording loop 2. If you have filled up all four tracks with stuff this can sound a bit strange when everything goes away except for what you are playing (=recording). So a good strategy with the repeater is to start by recording one track in all song sections (=loops) and then fill in more lines at each section on the rest of the tracks. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------> O www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:10:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TH70P25678; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:07:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:07:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Looping traditional musical forms / looping philosophy Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:06:53 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01c36e4f$f251e170$b42359d5@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001d01c36e4d$461ae250$b42359d5@asus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > different lengths (but of course the "bar length" will be the same, NOT! I'm sorry I was wrong there. The repeater rounds to fourths, if my memory serves me correctly. Best wishes Per Boysen ------------> O www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:15:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TH5Pf25491; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:05:19 -0700 Subject: Jibberish Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-117656810 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 3ab021af aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-117656810 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hey, I keep getting posts of jibberish (see below) Anyone know what that's about? My email client deals with html (which I can see that this is not), RTF and Plain Text, but what the hell is this? Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: > >>>2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music > >>background (blues > >>>and > >>>jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song > >>structures like > >>>A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a > >>>traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working > >>at it for a > >>>year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar > >>length with the first > >>>recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section > >>is a different > >>>number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing > >>>nightmare of arming and switching between loops. > >> > >>seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not > >>looping. That's > >>simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be > >>able to do it > >>too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of forcing > >>all the loops > >>to be the same length. > > Yes Kim, you're right. The Boomerang allows you to have two different > loops of size. I use that a lot. Guys like Keller Williams write very > simple AABA songs using an Echoplex. Blues, bluegrass, funk. All that > stuff. Loopers work great for more traditional stuff. Check out DJ > Williams too. > > > >> > >>>And then there is the > >>>problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up > >>a looped > >>>"A" section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then > >>suddenly move > >>>to naked guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new > >>bass line and > >>>new rhythm chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape > >>>style, you can't hide these transitions with washes of delay > >>and reverb > >>>tails. > > Keller Williams also does this well. He builds up a section then just > stops the Echoplex and goes to a single live (unlooped) guitar and his > voice. It's pretty powerful and works well. I believe the EDP also > allows you to copy over to other loops so when you get a good simply > stacked loop (i.e. bass drums and a rhythm for example) you can copy > that puppy to another loop, right? (I'm just going off what I glean > from the lists. . .I don't own one.) On my Boomerang I can switch from > recording a loop to b loop with one button so I often just keep > playing the same thing (like a bass line or guitar riff) onto the > other loop too so I have two loops of the same thing. It's not as easy > as simply COPYING a working loop like with the Echoplex, but I didn't > spend the extra few hundred for the EDP (dang it). It requires a > slight bit more maneuvering and forethought (like maybe remembering to > also play the next couple of things I stack on the B loop too), but it > works in a fairly logical manner. > > Mark, seriously, check out Keller's live album called "Loop". There's > some great stuff on there in the "traditional" style you seem to come > from. He uses an Echoplex. > > HTH, > > Don M > --Apple-Mail-2-117656810 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hey, I keep getting posts of jibberish (see below) Anyone know what that's about? My email client deals with html (which I can see that this is not), RTF and Plain Text, but what the hell is this? Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: >>>2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music >>background (blues >>>and >>>jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song >>structures like >>>A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a >>>traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working >>at it for a >>>year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar >>length with the first >>>recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section >>is a different >>>number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing >>>nightmare of arming and switching between loops. >> >>seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not >>looping. That's >>simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be >>able to do it >>too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of forcing >>all the loops >>to be the same length. Yes Kim, you're right. The Boomerang allows you to have two different loops of size. I use that a lot. Guys like Keller Williams write very simple AABA songs using an Echoplex. Blues, bluegrass, funk. All that stuff. Loopers work great for more traditional stuff. Check out DJ Williams too. >> >>>And then there is the >>>problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up >>a looped >>>"A" section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then >>suddenly move >>>to naked guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new >>bass line and >>>new rhythm chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape >>>style, you can't hide these transitions with washes of delay >>and reverb >>>tails. Keller Williams also does this well. He builds up a section then just stops the Echoplex and goes to a single live (unlooped) guitar and his voice. It's pretty powerful and works well. I believe the EDP also allows you to copy over to other loops so when you get a good simply stacked loop (i.e. bass drums and a rhythm for example) you can copy that puppy to another loop, right? (I'm just going off what I glean from the lists. . .I don't own one.) On my Boomerang I can switch from recording a loop to b loop with one button so I often just keep playing the same thing (like a bass line or guitar riff) onto the other loop too so I have two loops of the same thing. It's not as easy as simply COPYING a working loop like with the Echoplex, but I didn't spend the extra few hundred for the EDP (dang it). It requires a slight bit more maneuvering and forethought (like maybe remembering to also play the next couple of things I stack on the B loop too), but it works in a fairly logical manner. Mark, seriously, check out Keller's live album called "Loop". There's some great stuff on there in the "traditional" style you seem to come from. He uses an Echoplex. HTH, Don M --Apple-Mail-2-117656810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:16:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7THESJ26923; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:14:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:14:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030829171426.24933.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:14:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Cranky Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828134023.0346d7c0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2oGdxC.A.gkG.0n4T_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:50 AM 8/27/2003, Greg House wrote: > >--- Kim Flint wrote: > > > Just because something is beyond your budget doesn't mean it doesn't sell > > > well. The Echoplex price might be more than you can afford, yet at that > > > price they sold every single one they were able to make. That makes it > > > really difficult to understand how the price was too high. It's an easier > > > argument to say it was too low. > > > >Or to say that they didn't make enough. > > Yes! I agree. That's why we went to a huge amount of effort to improve > production. But that is not a simple thing. You don't just press a button > and quadruple production capacity. You need to have the capital, > infrastructure, people, get various design issues cleaned up, etc etc. At a > company with many products and many priorities this can take a lot of time, > especially with something that is not in the main bread-and-butter end of > the product line. Mostly, this is what has been happening and its a lot > better now. Yeah, I understand. It does seem like poor product management to have let that be the bottleneck for a successful, mature product like that. I'm glad to hear things have improved now. > It's a hell of a lot better than Lexicon, who was > left with a warehouse of jammans that they couldn't sell, and ultimately > had to blow them out at a ridiculous price because the cost of the > inventory was killing them. I don't remember that blowout. What did they sell for? Seems like the originals sold for around $500. I don't remember seeing any for less then that, except used ones. > Right! now you see it. The limit for the #of units of echoplexes sold has > always been production capacity. Not price, not sales effort, not features. > More people have wanted it than they could keep up with for most of the > history of the product. They didn't ever reach a point where they needed to > do anything other than keep trying to make more. That must be a bummer for you personally, since I presume you benefit directly from them selling more of them. > Well, it just depends on how you look at it. Effects units, recording > units, synths, samplers, loopers. That's what I see. The echoplex has a LOT > of functions and features. Far more than most other looping products. The > manual is over 300 pages long, and all it does is describe the features! > It's hard to imagine how more could be packed in there. If you look at the > Echoplex and can see only one function, then by all means go get an Akai > Headrush. It does the same one function and costs a lot less. Well, I still see it as having one FUNCTION, and a bunch of options for manipulating that. It makes loops, and is very flexable about the manner in which it does them, and how it allows you to manipulate them, but it doesn't do compression, or modulation-based, or filter effects. That's all I was saying. > Anyway, to make you happy, replace Lexicon PCM-81 with PCM-91. Reverb only, > $2000. Add in the TC-2290. delay only, $2000. Geez, I didn't know they were still making the 2290! (fwiw, your $2000 price is list, not street, but your point's equally valid either way). > People still spend $2000 for the 2290 delay. Admittedly that is a little > hard to understand, yet that's why TC is still selling them. Groundswell of the past popularity, I suppose. In that respect, Lexicon should still be making the PCM42 (they aren't, are they??) > But why pay $1440 for a TC G-Force if you can get a zoom or boss or > digitech product with the same effects for over $1000 less? Because the audio quality is better. Is the audio quality of the EDP better then say a Headrush or a DL4? > Or why pay $2000 for an Eventide Eclipse if you can get the TC for $1440? Yeah, I get your point. You're paying extra for the functionality it provides. > hahaha, no most of them don't use state of the art technology. They got you > fooled if you think so. Most companies in the music industry cannot afford > to keep up with state of the art technology. > > Buy things for what they do for you, not the date stamps on the IC's. Oh, I do. What I was getting at was that these products provide contemporary set of I/O options, stereo signal processing, and control mechanisms to modern standards. > > > > My > > > >observation from talking to people is that a lot of them really like the > > > >idea of > > > >an advanced looper until they hear the price. At that point they say > > something > > > >like "I think I can probably be happy enough with my DL4" or something > > > >like that. > > > > > > if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in > > > looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and > > > that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end > > > product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher > > > end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be > > > worth it to them. > > > >I'm just saying that people would like a few more features then the DL4, but > >without having to pay several hundred more dollars for them. There doesn't > >appear > >to be anything in that marketplace. Is it worth $600 to get a feedback control > >for your loop? One feature? > > The only difference you see between a DL-4 and an Echoplex is the feedback > control? Oh no! Of course not. I have to apologize here, 'cause I got kind of lost in what I was thinking. As you discerned, I started drifting into the idea for a "midrange" product. I never intended to say that the EDP should sell for $250. My original thought was that they'd sell a lot more if the price was a bit lower, that's all. > If all you can see in the Echoplex is feedback control, and that is not > worth it to you, then get a Boomerang. It has a basic feedback control. It doesn't have a feedback control that can change on the fly. > Or string together a bunch of cheap delay pedals and use a volume > pedal and mixer to control feedback. Hmm... interesting idea. > So now what you've identified is a market opportunity for another looper. > That makes a lot of sense really. Let's say Gibson wanted to meet this > opportunity. They would do this the way all companies do it, by introducing > a new low-end product. This would probably be something like an Echoplex > with all the features stripped out except for what's in a DL-4 and a few > extras, like feedback. Call it Echoplex Jr., and use the reputation of the > high-end Echoplex to give it credibility. They price it about the same as a > DL-4. That could easily happen. I think that'd be VERY cool if it did happen! > What they would never do is take the > flagship product, widely recognized as a high-end looper with hundreds of > features the DL-4 lacks, and simply price it the same as a DL-4 when there > are plenty of customers willing to pay much more. That would be foolish. True enough. If there are adequate customers at the higher price, then it's priced right. There are plenty of things which are priced beyond where -I- think they should be, so why shouldn't this be another one? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:20:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7THIoE27927; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:18:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:18:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nick Shortway" To: Subject: RE: Jibberish Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:19:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c36e51$b9e9f5f0$0100a8c0@nighttrain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C36E30.32D855F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C36E30.32D855F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like just plain writing to me (using outlook xp) -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 1:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jibberish Hey, I keep getting posts of jibberish (see below) Anyone know what that's about? My email client deals with html (which I can see that this is not), RTF and Plain Text, but what the hell is this? Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: >>>2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music >>background (blues >>>and >>>jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song >>structures like >>>A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a >>>traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working >>at it for a >>>year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar >>length with the first >>>recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section >>is a different >>>number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing >>>nightmare of arming and switching between loops. >> >>seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not >>looping. That's >>simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be >>able to do it >>too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of forcing >>all the loops >>to be the same length. Yes Kim, you're right. The Boomerang allows you to have two different loops of size. I use that a lot. Guys like Keller Williams write very simple AABA songs using an Echoplex. Blues, bluegrass, funk. All that stuff. Loopers work great for more traditional stuff. Check out DJ Williams too. >> >>>And then there is the >>>problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up >>a looped >>>"A" section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then >>suddenly move >>>to naked guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new >>bass line and >>>new rhythm chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape >>>style, you can't hide these transitions with washes of delay >>and reverb >>>tails. Keller Williams also does this well. He builds up a section then just stops the Echoplex and goes to a single live (unlooped) guitar and his voice. It's pretty powerful and works well. I believe the EDP also allows you to copy over to other loops so when you get a good simply stacked loop (i.e. bass drums and a rhythm for example) you can copy that puppy to another loop, right? (I'm just going off what I glean from the lists. . .I don't own one.) On my Boomerang I can switch from recording a loop to b loop with one button so I often just keep playing the same thing (like a bass line or guitar riff) onto the other loop too so I have two loops of the same thing. It's not as easy as simply COPYING a working loop like with the Echoplex, but I didn't spend the extra few hundred for the EDP (dang it). It requires a slight bit more maneuvering and forethought (like maybe remembering to also play the next couple of things I stack on the B loop too), but it works in a fairly logical manner. Mark, seriously, check out Keller's live album called "Loop". There's some great stuff on there in the "traditional" style you seem to come from. He uses an Echoplex. HTH, Don M ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C36E30.32D855F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looks like just plain writing to me = (using outlook xp)

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
Sent: Friday, August 29, = 2003 1:05 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Jibberish

 

Hey, I keep getting posts of jibberish (see = below) Anyone know what that's about? My email client deals with html (which I = can see that this is not), RTF and Plain Text, but what the hell is this?

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Don Makoviney = wrote:

>>>2) Someone like me who = comes from a traditional music
>>background (blues
>>>and
>>>jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song
>>structures like
>>>A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to = loop a
>>>traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been = working
>>at it for a
>>>year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar
>>length with the first
>>>recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the = "B" section
>>is a different
>>>number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing
>>>nightmare of arming and switching between loops.
>>
>>seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not
>>looping. That's
>>simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be
>>able to do it
>>too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of = forcing
>>all the loops
>>to be the same length.

Yes Kim, you're right. The Boomerang allows you to have two = different loops of size. I use that a lot. Guys like Keller Williams write very = simple AABA songs using an Echoplex. Blues, bluegrass, funk. All that stuff. = Loopers work great for more traditional stuff. Check out DJ Williams too.


>>
>>>And then there is the
>>>problem of the "crash to a singularity" when = you've built up
>>a looped
>>>"A" section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and = then
>>suddenly move
>>>to naked guitar on the "B" section because it = needs a new
>>bass line and
>>>new rhythm chords. If you're not working in the ambient = soundscape
>>>style, you can't hide these transitions with washes of = delay
>>and reverb
>>>tails.

Keller Williams also does this well. He builds up a section = then just stops the Echoplex and goes to a single live (unlooped) guitar and his = voice. It's pretty powerful and works well. I believe the EDP also allows you = to copy over to other loops so when you get a good simply stacked loop (i.e. = bass drums and a rhythm for example) you can copy that puppy to another loop, = right? (I'm just going off what I glean from the lists. . .I don't own one.) On my Boomerang I can switch from recording a loop to b loop with one button = so I often just keep playing the same thing (like a bass line or guitar riff) = onto the other loop too so I have two loops of the same thing. It's not as = easy as simply COPYING a working loop like with the Echoplex, but I didn't spend = the extra few hundred for the EDP (dang it). It requires a slight bit more maneuvering and forethought (like maybe remembering to also play the = next couple of things I stack on the B loop too), but it works in a fairly = logical manner.

Mark, seriously, check out Keller's live album called "Loop". There's some great stuff on there in the "traditional" style you seem to come from. He uses an = Echoplex.

HTH,

Don M

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C36E30.32D855F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:25:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7THJHd28012; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:19:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:19:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030829171915.13263.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:19:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Jibberish To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What you quoted looks like std ascii text to me. The original message looked fine in my yahoo viewer when I got it. Greg --- msottilaro wrote: > Hey, I keep getting posts of jibberish (see below) Anyone know what > that's about? My email client deals with html (which I can see that > this is not), RTF and Plain Text, but what the hell is this? > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: > > > >>>2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music > > >>background (blues > > >>>and > > >>>jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song > > >>structures like > > >>>A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a > > >>>traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working > > >>at it for a > > >>>year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar > > >>length with the first > > >>>recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section > > >>is a different > > >>>number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing > > >>>nightmare of arming and switching between loops. > > >> > > >>seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not > > >>looping. That's > > >>simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be > > >>able to do it > > >>too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of forcing > > >>all the loops > > >>to be the same length. > > > > Yes Kim, you're right. The Boomerang allows you to have two different > > loops of size. I use that a lot. Guys like Keller Williams write very > > simple AABA songs using an Echoplex. Blues, bluegrass, funk. All that > > stuff. Loopers work great for more traditional stuff. Check out DJ > > Williams too. > > > > > > >> > > >>>And then there is the > > >>>problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up > > >>a looped > > >>>"A" section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then > > >>suddenly move > > >>>to naked guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new > > >>bass line and > > >>>new rhythm chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape > > >>>style, you can't hide these transitions with washes of delay > > >>and reverb > > >>>tails. > > > > Keller Williams also does this well. He builds up a section then just > > stops the Echoplex and goes to a single live (unlooped) guitar and his > > voice. It's pretty powerful and works well. I believe the EDP also > > allows you to copy over to other loops so when you get a good simply > > stacked loop (i.e. bass drums and a rhythm for example) you can copy > > that puppy to another loop, right? (I'm just going off what I glean > > from the lists. . .I don't own one.) On my Boomerang I can switch from > > recording a loop to b loop with one button so I often just keep > > playing the same thing (like a bass line or guitar riff) onto the > > other loop too so I have two loops of the same thing. It's not as easy > > as simply COPYING a working loop like with the Echoplex, but I didn't > > spend the extra few hundred for the EDP (dang it). It requires a > > slight bit more maneuvering and forethought (like maybe remembering to > > also play the next couple of things I stack on the B loop too), but it > > works in a fairly logical manner. > > > > Mark, seriously, check out Keller's live album called "Loop". There's > > some great stuff on there in the "traditional" style you seem to come > > from. He uses an Echoplex. > > > > HTH, > > > > Don M > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:38:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7THX3P30262; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:33:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:33:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Florida Loopers? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:32:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36E53.96DCCEA0" Resent-Message-ID: <2yAa2.A.wYH.P54T_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36E53.96DCCEA0 Content-Type: text/plain Are there any here? Just curious. If so could you email me off list? Maybe we can sit in on each others sessions or gigs. Might make for some good times. Thanks, Don M ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36E53.96DCCEA0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Florida Loopers?

Are there any here? Just curious. If so could you = email me off list? Maybe we can sit in on each others sessions or gigs. = Might make for some good times.

Thanks,

Don M

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36E53.96DCCEA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:44:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7THhRf31856; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:43:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:43:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results (was RE: Cranky Kim) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 9c4962fe aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <9571151A-DA2E-11D7-B236-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: <48309E8D-DA48-11D7-9D3F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do multiple loops of different lengths on the Repeater all the time. Works pretty well though you have to sent two instructions, one to advance the loop and another to arm it to record as soon as the current loop stops. Not too hard with practice, but an auto arm function would have been nice. I've looped with machines mostly, but my looping with Jon Wagner has been great. Why? He sets the tempo and knows how to keep it. Practice practice practice. I find watching the Repeater's display totally helps. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 07:39 AM, Travis wrote: > If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo > shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent > information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. > Re-triggering on the downbeat won't help if the loop is of any > significant length, since you'll quickly be out of sync with > everything that comes after that. Re-recording the loop is probably > inpractical if you've got a few layers and/or the loop is more than a > few seconds long, since you probably won't have time to re-do the loop > before either the next section arrives or the tempo shifts...again. > > What sort of adjustments would you suggest in such a situation? > > *** > > I think the EDP (like many tools) leads to, even requires, new ways of > working. Trying to shoehorn it into previous musical forms, such as > an AABA song is sort of a dead-end. But there's so many things you > can do with it that you couldn't do before, and those are the things > to go after. I'm primarily using mine in a solo acoustic guitar > context, and while I usually end up with with two or three related > loops (via multiply and loop copy) which I can switch between to > provide a verse/chorus/bridge type structure, there's no way around > the first minute or two of building up those loops. You can't just go > verse/chorus/verse/chorus/middle/chorus/chorus right from step one, > since the first pass of each section has only one layer. > > This doesn't bother me much, and the the exploratory section of each > piece which includes building each loop is just part of the piece. > Each tune ends up being about ten minutes long, but that's just how it > is. Personally I never liked the idea of pre-loading loops in the way > the Repeater promised. > > TravisH > > On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:44 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >>> If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier >>> because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates, >>> unless >>> they're another looping musician. >> >> That's true if the looper is a beginner and doesn't know how to >> adjust their loops with the music around them. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:49:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7THlT032745; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:47:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:47:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results (was RE: Cranky Kim) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 6afbd05c aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1z79d.A.g_H.xG5T_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too bad there isn't a manufacturer that makes a CFC card that's fast, like RAM. I'd use that in leu of being able to save a loop any day. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 08:37 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Personally I never liked the idea of pre-loading loops in the way >> the Repeater promised. > > I never do that either. In fact I try to never relay on the CFC card > at all. > This means I'm playing mostly one or two loops into the Repeater an > then I > change them all the time. I have found out that the machine is way > faster > when working only in RAM and you can record in faster PBM's. > > An exception is if I'm doing a clinic. Then I can load a drum loop > from the > CFC card just to demonstrate the time stretching in action. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ------------> O > www.boysen.se > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:54:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7THqcb01324; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:52:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 16afd70c aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030829171426.24933.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8EC9750F-DA49-11D7-9D3F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 10:14 AM, Greg House wrote: > > I don't remember that blowout. What did they sell for? Seems like the > originals > sold for around $500. I don't remember seeing any for less then that, > except used > ones. I got the JamMan (standard memory) for $311 dollars. I think it was around 1992. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 13:56:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7THr9J01454; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:53:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Jibberish Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 09341a13 aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030829171915.13263.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Weird. It looks fine to me now as well. Must be a glitch in the Matrix. Mark Sottilaro. On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Greg House wrote: > What you quoted looks like std ascii text to me. The original message > looked fine > in my yahoo viewer when I got it. > > Greg > > --- msottilaro wrote: >> Hey, I keep getting posts of jibberish (see below) Anyone know what >> that's about? My email client deals with html (which I can see that >> this is not), RTF and Plain Text, but what the hell is this? >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Don Makoviney wrote: >> >>>>>> 2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music >>>>> background (blues >>>>>> and >>>>>> jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song >>>>> structures like >>>>>> A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop >>>>>> a >>>>>> traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working >>>>> at it for a >>>>>> year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar >>>>> length with the first >>>>>> recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section >>>>> is a different >>>>>> number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap >>>>>> dancing >>>>>> nightmare of arming and switching between loops. >>>>> >>>>> seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not >>>>> looping. That's >>>>> simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be >>>>> able to do it >>>>> too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of forcing >>>>> all the loops >>>>> to be the same length. >>> >>> Yes Kim, you're right. The Boomerang allows you to have two different >>> loops of size. I use that a lot. Guys like Keller Williams write very >>> simple AABA songs using an Echoplex. Blues, bluegrass, funk. All that >>> stuff. Loopers work great for more traditional stuff. Check out DJ >>> Williams too. >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>>> And then there is the >>>>>> problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up >>>>> a looped >>>>>> "A" section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then >>>>> suddenly move >>>>>> to naked guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new >>>>> bass line and >>>>>> new rhythm chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape >>>>>> style, you can't hide these transitions with washes of delay >>>>> and reverb >>>>>> tails. >>> >>> Keller Williams also does this well. He builds up a section then just >>> stops the Echoplex and goes to a single live (unlooped) guitar and >>> his >>> voice. It's pretty powerful and works well. I believe the EDP also >>> allows you to copy over to other loops so when you get a good simply >>> stacked loop (i.e. bass drums and a rhythm for example) you can copy >>> that puppy to another loop, right? (I'm just going off what I glean >>> from the lists. . .I don't own one.) On my Boomerang I can switch >>> from >>> recording a loop to b loop with one button so I often just keep >>> playing the same thing (like a bass line or guitar riff) onto the >>> other loop too so I have two loops of the same thing. It's not as >>> easy >>> as simply COPYING a working loop like with the Echoplex, but I didn't >>> spend the extra few hundred for the EDP (dang it). It requires a >>> slight bit more maneuvering and forethought (like maybe remembering >>> to >>> also play the next couple of things I stack on the B loop too), but >>> it >>> works in a fairly logical manner. >>> >>> Mark, seriously, check out Keller's live album called "Loop". There's >>> some great stuff on there in the "traditional" style you seem to come >>> from. He uses an Echoplex. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> Don M >>> >> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 14:01:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7THxCJ04396; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:59:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:59:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <87DBA8C1-D9B8-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> References: <87DBA8C1-D9B8-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:59:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -2 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: <10qA1C.A.jEB.wR5T_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:34 PM -0700 8/28/03, msottilaro wrote: >(except in the case of Rik Elswit at Banana's at Large. A list >member and expert EDP user) Funny to see Rik's name pop up. I've been in this Moog-obsession mode lately, picking up a bunch of early Moog-themed records. One of the better things I've found is Beaver & Krause's "Gandharva", from 1971, which features, among many others, Rik Elswit on rhythm guitar. Having dealt with Rik a few times, it was really cool to see his name on on a really cool record! The source of this Moog obsession? Minimoog #6046, now living in my studio :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 14:22:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TIGXJ07049; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:16:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:16:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Two Things at Once; Also Very Tentative San Diego California Looping and Ztar Show Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:16:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030829160647.24615.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, no, not the "musician/engineer" nature of our inclinations. Oh, no, we'll save that thread for SOMEBODY ELSE . . . and another time. Wumsane is, isn't there great value in using the human voice as a lead instrument when recording structures--the trick is in being patient enough (and having a forgiving enough audience--I like what Greg said, "In the same sense that I wouldn't play lap steel in every group I play with, I don't use my looper every time I go out." That's certainly true for me too, but I need to start promoting looping as much as possible--after all, it's the cause . . . I am looking at promoting a Ztar Festival--so far response has been lackluster (film at 11). Wadaya say, loopers of the Greater Southern California area, wanna put on a show? Gary Lehmann Candy Meyer, RN, BSN HealthQuest Recruiters -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping traditional musical forms / looping philosophy --- Mike Barrs wrote: > Here are the two main hurdles, as I see it: > > 1) Many musicians aren't interested in free-form, solo performance, ambient > style music. If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier > because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates, unless > they're another looping musician. Don't underestimate this. I occasionally play loops with other (non-looping) musicians. Some get into it, some don't. A good friend of mine (a bass player) absolutely loves to do free form stuff with me. To me, this just means you won't play loops with everyone you play music with. The ones that enjoy it will REALLY enjoy it. In the same sense that I wouldn't play lap steel in every group I play with, I don't use my looper every time I go out. > I almost bailed > out of looping, until I finally figured out that I could learn how to stomp > on the pedal in time with the downbeat if I really worked at it. This is > something everyone here probably takes for granted, but it's an enormous > barrier for newcomers... especially those used to working with live > musicians where there is more live human interaction in tempo feel. You have a Repeater, which easily accomodates this. When you notice your loop drifting from the other musicians (shouldn't happen if they were listening to each other, but reality being what it is, and most musicians being what they are...), you just tap the corrected tempo into the Repeater and it'll fix it for you. You don't need to retrigger the start of the loop every bar or two. > 2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music background (blues and > jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song structures like > A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a > traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I'm not one, but there are several people here that have talked about doing that. I know John Mazzarella is one, you might check the archives for some of his posts. > I've been working at it for a > year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar length with the first > recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section is a different > number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing > nightmare of arming and switching between loops. That's because they expect you to change loops, not tracks, when you move to another musical section. I haven't tried it, but you should be able to program a midi controller to switch to the next loop and start recording with one button press. The Repeater's loop switching latency may prevent that though, so what you might do is program one pedal to switch to the next loop (at loop end), then start recording in that loop when you get there. If that won't work for you, you might have to pre-record the loops in the lengths you're going to use beforehand. To do this, you'd tap in the tempo, record silence in loop1 for as long as you want, record silence in loop2 for as long as the next section, loop3, etc, THEN go back and start recording your music into the spaces you've created for it, switching loops where appropriate. OR do two or more sections together. For example, if you were doing a form ABAB, you'd record A and B together before ending the loop, or even the entire thing. The Repeater lends itself well to this approach because of the very long loop lengths it provides (up to 8 minutes per loop). >From what I've read, the EDP lends itself to this loop switching much better then the Repeater, since you can switch loops directly into record with one press of a button (no midi required), and can alter the loop length on the fly while you're playing. > And then there is the > problem of the "crash to a singularity" when you've built up a looped "A" > section with bass, rhythm guitar and lead, and then suddenly move to naked > guitar on the "B" section because it needs a new bass line and new rhythm > chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape style, you can't > hide these transitions with washes of delay and reverb tails. This is a different issue entirely, and not one exclusive to the Repeater. If you're doing all kinds of different parts and layering up a whole bunch of stuff before moving to the next section of the piece, you're always going to have problems like this. As someone else said, it would be easier to move through the different parts adding a layer at a time instead. That said, if you can get to a Phil Keaggy concert, this guy does this better then anyone I've ever seen. I don't really hear it on his recordings, but in concert he uses loops on every single song. And all he does are traditional song arrangements, no "washy ambient" material at all. He does the entire show solo, with a Lexicon Jamman and the loops come in and out all the time. It's pretty much seemless too. If you weren't watching him dance around on the footpedals, and hearing other parts coming and going when there's only one guy on the stage, you'd probably never know he was looping (ie, if you only heard the audio). It's really quite amazing, and it sounds like what he's doing exactly what you want to do. I saw him recently and noticed that he does things to compensate for the disappearance of the loop part as he's playing. For example, he'll make a dramatic creshendo and intentionally use the buildup and immediate stop in the music as part of his arrangement, or he'll play his guitar louder when stopping the loop so that the volume at the transition is similar. > To the extent that the Repeater (or any other looper) fits my style, I'll > use it. But I'm not going to warp my entire musical concept to fit what the > box can do. A tool is a tool, and you can either use it to augment what you do, or augment what you do to use it. The choice is your's, but to say you won't adjust what you do to accomodate a different tool doesn't really allow you to fully utilize it. That applies to anything, from a new guitar (more pickups, more strings, different tuning) to a distortion box, to a complex effects unit, to a looper. That's not to say that it's bad. Some people make great music with just an acoustic guitar. Other's want to use the giant rack-o-fun. It's about using whatever helps you. > To be clear, I love my Repeater. I love it enough to have bought a second > one when I heard Electrix was going out of business, as a backup (that funky > non-replaceable power supply scares me). But I don't see it as a tool that > will instantly appeal to the vast majority of musicians, until the > capabilities of loopers (and especially, the user interface) go through a > few more product evolution cycles. There are a couple of ways of using loopers that would work for virtually any musician. I haven't seen any of the marketing for existing loopers exploit these things. One is as a practice tool. For example, if I'm working on a new song and am thinking about what guitar part I want to play, it's very convenient to play the chords for a section into my looper and then experiment playing parts over them as they loop. Sure, I could do the same thing with a 4tk, or a computer, or make another musician sit there and play the stuff while I mess around, but it's just SO fast and easy with the looper. About 15 seconds of setup time, immediate access. Very efficient. Another thing that loopers are particularly well suited to is making interesting music by yourself. There's a huge number of people out there who've gotten sick of "the band scene" and all the frustrations that go with that, but they still love music and want to do it. A looper allows a great way to have something to hear and react to while playing by yourself. I fall into that category myself. My family life, job, and schedule in general makes it hard to rehearse with other people very much. And frankly, I'm sick to death of trying to sort through a world of flakey musicians to find 3-4 that will even show up for a rehearsal without being a total jerk or leaving after a month of two. I just want to make some music, I'm tired of dealing with people's whacked out personalities and depending on people who are not reliable. Using a looper allows me to play, rehearse, or just mess around any time I have the time to do it. > P.S. this is all in the context of the Repeater... the only looper I > understand, and I'm still just a beginner. If the EDP does a better job of > handling traditional AABA song formats, please let me know. You'll probably hear this more from the people using them, but from everything I can tell, the EDP IS more suited for that sort of thing. There are probably ways to make your Repeater do what you want too. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 14:24:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TILF607912; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Mark the Archangel Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:21:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c36e5a$519f9230$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, you are. You just have a good idea every so often.. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Relay [mailto:relaydelayband@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 1:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mark the Archangel See, I'm not always an asshole. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 06:59 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > This is one heck of a excellent idea. Taylor Guitars sponsors tours > of musicians who endorse their guitars, going around to music shops > and putting on clinics. The musicians don't get paid allot for it, but > it is good publicity all around. > I'm sure other companies do this, but i've been to a Taylor guitar > clinic so it's my only experience. > > And the experience was good. > > Excellent, excellent idea. > > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:34 PM, msottilaro wrote: > >> It would be great if Gibson could sponsor a tour to dealers all >> over. Or have different EDP artists in each region. What I saw from >> these events is that not only did it turn on people who were in the >> store to the product, but it educated salespeople to the >> possibilities of the product which made them better sellers of the >> item because A) they knew more about it and B) they loved it. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > however Mark would have to buy an EDP to participate (?) Gary PS I own two taylors but have never been to a clinic--was at the factory last week tho--incredible place, if ever in san Diego (El Cajon) I recommend you go for a FREE tour. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 15:05:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TJ3tH15329; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:03:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030828205917.85991.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030828205917.85991.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:03:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: style, genre, category, blahblahblah Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >No, I DON'T wanna start another musical glossary >thread, but I DID find a link > that might >come in useful to anyone looking for guidance in >exploring unfamiliar, ummm, genres... > as long as you are interested in american music. they mention about 40 kinds of Blues, 1 kind of Latin music and no Asia at all. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 15:59:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TJwZJ23201; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c36e67$3660b460$6823c151@nuno> From: "Nuno Climaco Pinto" To: References: <48309E8D-DA48-11D7-9D3F-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results (was RE: Cranky Kim) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:53:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 29-08-2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results (was RE: Cranky Kim) > I do multiple loops of different lengths on the Repeater all the time. > Works pretty well though you have to sent two instructions, one to > advance the loop and another to arm it to record as soon as the current > loop stops. Not too hard with practice, but an auto arm function would > have been nice. This option is available in the last OS update. See the electrix website for more information. > I've looped with machines mostly, but my looping with Jon Wagner has > been great. Why? He sets the tempo and knows how to keep it. > Practice practice practice. I find watching the Repeater's display > totally helps. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 07:39 AM, Travis wrote: > > > If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo > > shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent > > information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. > > Re-triggering on the downbeat won't help if the loop is of any > > significant length, since you'll quickly be out of sync with > > everything that comes after that. Re-recording the loop is probably > > inpractical if you've got a few layers and/or the loop is more than a > > few seconds long, since you probably won't have time to re-do the loop > > before either the next section arrives or the tempo shifts...again. > > > > What sort of adjustments would you suggest in such a situation? > > > > *** > > > > I think the EDP (like many tools) leads to, even requires, new ways of > > working. Trying to shoehorn it into previous musical forms, such as > > an AABA song is sort of a dead-end. But there's so many things you > > can do with it that you couldn't do before, and those are the things > > to go after. I'm primarily using mine in a solo acoustic guitar > > context, and while I usually end up with with two or three related > > loops (via multiply and loop copy) which I can switch between to > > provide a verse/chorus/bridge type structure, there's no way around > > the first minute or two of building up those loops. You can't just go > > verse/chorus/verse/chorus/middle/chorus/chorus right from step one, > > since the first pass of each section has only one layer. > > > > This doesn't bother me much, and the the exploratory section of each > > piece which includes building each loop is just part of the piece. > > Each tune ends up being about ten minutes long, but that's just how it > > is. Personally I never liked the idea of pre-loading loops in the way > > the Repeater promised. > > > > TravisH > > > > On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:44 AM, > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > >>> If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier > >>> because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates, > >>> unless > >>> they're another looping musician. > >> > >> That's true if the looper is a beginner and doesn't know how to > >> adjust their loops with the music around them. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 16:38:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TKXmK29628; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:33:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been doing this a little recently--as a "Live Loop", i.e., by playing it over and over again--something that he does on the record, of course--very meditative and a chop builder--hey nemogit check it out! Gary Listening to this track with guitar in hand now--Em in 6/8. Six note riff goes E B G A F# C--all eighth notes. Soloes over it--Synth percussion when available. Starts getting wild and crazy after 6 minutes. Bitchin' train sounds at 7:11--look out baby there's a train a'comin'! Sorbet-like cool-down refresher at the end for the last 30 seconds. For you guitar players, it looks like this: -------------- -------------- ---4---2---5-- -2---5---4---- -------------- -------------- repeat until dizzy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 16:52:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TKnU532428; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:49:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.30b661b9.2c811652@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:49:22 EDT Subject: Fear of "canned" loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7TKnTW32402 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, You could call me a lazy cheater (or any of a number of other things, including just plain nuts) but for the past couple of years (3 or 4) I have rather enjoyed using "canned" loops in my music -- in addition to the "live" ones I create with my guitar on my EDPs. Strangely, it always sort of surprises me when people say they'd NEVER use "canned" loops in their music (as though using such is a major "sin" of some sort) when the current musical environment is so full of that very thing (either via sampling or vinyl or sequencing or drum machines or beat/grooveboxes and or Acid/Live software). Before, when my setup was even larger and more complicated (some folks who've seen my current rack might shudder at the thought) it also included 2 keyboard samplers and a bunch of other instruments including 2 MIDI wind controllers (yes I played 'em simultaneously) and a vocal pitch to MIDI converter and a Macintosh computer. I looped everything live, nothing was ever prerecorded -- and (just as often) nothing was even remotely preconceived before the first note. So, believe me, I can say I have plenty of experience doing it the "free" and supposedly "hard" way between 1987 and 1998 or so. But, I guess I just sort of got tired of battling with Murphy's Law and daring the whole systemic edifice to implode just before every performance. If something CAN go wrong . . . it usually WILL, and the increased dependence on technological complexity just naturally exacerbates the problem and making "snafus" even more likely. Involve other people in the collaboration and the opportunity for chaos increases exponentially. My current, smaller, MIDI guitar and 16-space rack (with stereo EDP pair) plus Boss "phrase sampler" setup allows me to relax just a teeny little bit -- and vastly decreases the frequency of my having to visit the chiropractor as often. One way or the other, all of my "canned loops" are still my own. I may nick a percussion sample from a duly purchased Acid CD-R library, an obscure audio CD fragment, an environmental sound from around the house and/or neighborhood or even something I might play on some ordinary instrument I have here at home. But by the time I'm done editing it in Hyperprism on my Mac these are usually unrecognizable as even remotely relating to the source materials in any way. I spend a lot of my time creating loops on my computer and cataloging them into "families" or "sets" of related loop length and key/time signatures. These sets and families are often quite large and offer a lot of opportunity to make new and interesting combinations of textures and sounds that I did not actually imagine or expect when I was working on the individual member loops. I am constantly surprised by what "works" . . . and often by what doesn't. Anyway, I like to take these "surprises" into the recording studio and/or onto the road sometimes and play with them even further -- either by merely recontextualizing them with what I happen to be playing live on my main instrument (guitar) or by merely varying how I trigger them "live" in relation to one another (sometimes you can completely change the feel of how 2 or 3 or 4 loops sound together simply by hitting the PLAY button in a different place rhythmically. So, even if they're "canned" the performance is not so much so . . . necessarily. There is still room for a modest amount of variation. The phrase sampler also has onboard FX that can mangle and chop the loops further (sometimes in unpredictable ways) and I also have some outboard FX to mess them up a bit too (including an Alesis AirSynth). BTW, what I'd really like is a Kaoss 2.0 but that's more $$$ than I have at my disposal currently (and a whole other story). However, I must admit, 95% of what I do performance-wise is still on my guitar and EDP anyway. That's where my main attention is anyway. This way of working also makes it easier to work/collaborate with others who may be looking for a clear "pulse" (hey Ted, where's the damn "one" at?) when I am deliberately trying to make that ambiguous on my "live" EDP loops. They (usually, if not always) can clearly hear something in the "canned" material and "count it out" and play with/against it in a more-or-less conventional manner. I can also post loops to people I am collaborating with and they can hear at least THAT part of the performance concept beforehand and think/ imagine an maybe rehearse to it . . . whatever. That's what drummer/looper, Bob Sterling and I do frequently (we live 775 miles apart). We can perform a gig without playing together for as long as 1 or 2 years at a time, and then launch into entirely "new" material on the spot and improvise pretty darn well (I think) together over the kernel of an idea in a short loop (or 2) shared between us on the net -- as often as not, taking it to places "live" neither one of us ever expected it to go. Anywho, I am finding "canned" loops kinda freeing in a way. When something predictable (at least temporarily) is going on in the background -- even something bone-headedly metronomic and simple -- it's often easier to be more daring, experimental and "outside" with what I am doing live on the guitar. That might sound like a complete contradiction . . . I dunno. But, these are my thoughts on the subject. I guess these thoughts also reflect the whole modus operandi of my 2001 CD. That's essentially how it was made. Each of the 10 pieces was recorded in just one take -- and the entire CD took only 2 days. I had little idea what shape each piece would take. I was aware of what loops I had brought to the session (and my little bag of guitar/sustainiac/ebow/EDP tricks). But it was all done "off the cuff" given those items. Subsequent performances trying to recreate some of the material on that CD have met with spotty success (my opinion) at places like Loopstock and Y2K2. I am not very good at repeating myself -- the whole effort seems wooden and artificial. I do better with a blank slate and maybe a couple of interesting, freshly canned loops (and no hard-and-set preconceptions). Anyone else have thoughts, opinions and/or experiences to share? Or does everyone here associate anything "canned" with Milli Vanilli and/or Karaoke? I guess some types of audiences would even consider looping as "cheating" in some way. I guess the line between "live" and "canned" loops has become blurry over the years and has largely ceased to matter to me at all. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 17:06:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TL4F003560; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:04:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:04:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c36e70$f1925f00$6e61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308291540.h7TFeRO10209@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:03:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <72DtkC.A.h3.P_7T_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis wrote: "If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. " Dear Travis, for all it's well publicized faults (and there are several of them.........LOL) , the Electrix REPEATER is the only looper that can do this on the fly as it uses sample stretching technology (ala Sound Forge's ACID or Ableton's LIVE). The cool thing is that you can program a midi pedal with whatever tempo tolerances you would like (most live songs rarely speed up more than 10 or 15 BPM as an example). The company is now defunct but you can locate used units on the web occasionally (they are pricey but around the same price as the fabulous Echolplex EDP). One awesome thing it does and something I probably overuse in my shows is that you can take a loop of 120 BPM and slow it down to 1 BPM (!). When done in stereo (yes, it's a quad mono or a stereo looper) you can take a longish loop (loop times up to 23 minutes so it doubles as a stereo recorder as well for short pieces) and slow it down to 1 BPM and then sit back and wait for your random noise landscape to slowly evolve.........................I then 'play' the jagged noise piece over three octaves with my Yamaha wind controller and, voila, it still stays at 1 BPM. If only I could get the EDP and the REPEATER to talk to each other in midi, but it seems problematic at best. Anyone getting that to work consistently and want to help me out with your creative work around? yours, rick walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 17:17:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TLF5217382; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:15:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:15:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:14:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: f033fcc5 aee23e9e b0af9641 00000104 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <12e.30b661b9.2c811652@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_jBwcC.A.cPE.ZJ8T_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:49 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Anyone else have thoughts, opinions and/or experiences to share? > Or does everyone here associate anything "canned" with Milli Vanilli > and/or Karaoke? I guess some types of audiences would even consider > looping as "cheating" in some way. I guess the line between "live" and > "canned" loops has become blurry over the years and has largely > ceased to matter to me at all. This is exactly the type of show that I've been formulating. So far it's working out really well. Yesterday I received my M-audio USB audio interface and I was happily surprised to find a version of Live included! It's a truncated version of 1.5, but as far as I can tell it will act *exactly* like I intend it to. One of the biggest reasons for me to do this was a size/setup time issue, but I'm also finding that this type of "Live Production" is really fun and allows me to make music that I couldn't make using my old setup. Frankly, the whole idea of "live looping" is great... to us. However, to the audience they could care less. All they want is a good show and interesting music. They could care less about how you get there. I'm still in the beginning phases of this Looper/DJ setup, but the first steps show a lot of promise. While the Repeater was the tool I used to make the loops, it's not what's playing the loops back. Live synced to the E-MU Command Station is taking care of that. I can play all I want using the Command Stations Pads or a small midi keyboard so I don't feel like I'm not getting a chance to add harmonic content to the music. A Numark Axis 9 CD player let's me scratch and mutilate samples to my hearts content. Over all I have not felt like I missed my old setup at all and I can now easily compete with DJs in terms of setup times and production value. I can't wait to hear your new CD Ted! I still love the old one! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 17:34:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TLWBf20050; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:32:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:32:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.ff738ad.2c812050@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:32:00 EDT Subject: Re: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d6.ff738ad.2c812050_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d6.ff738ad.2c812050_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/03 4:34:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > hey nemogit check it out! > gary.....im hip to it, claude knocked me out with this awhile ago.....michael n.p. IPOU KAPEK from the CT-PROJCET "EUROPE" CD.....also of interest on this cd are tracs by: raul bonnell tomas, david cooper orton, olivier malhomme and of course the esteemed mr. voit! --part1_1d6.ff738ad.2c812050_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/29/0= 3 4:34:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes:


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IPOU KAPEK from the CT-PROJCET "EUROPE" CD.....also of interest on this= cd are tracs by: raul bonnell tomas, david cooper orton, olivier malhomme a= nd of course the esteemed mr. voit! --part1_1d6.ff738ad.2c812050_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 18:55:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TMqQi00998; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-AMAZON-TRACK: Message-ID: <3F4FD91F.9070204@rosewoodblues.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:52:15 -0700 From: Ken Hawkins Reply-To: ken@rosewoodblues.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new nirvana Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi one and all i finally found all that i could on the EDP and picked one up pedal and all for 830.00 new. they said that it was maxed out on memory and i am not sure what they mean by that. i haven't seen anywhere online about the memory expansion (if any) can some one who knows possibly elaborate? also are there any looper groups local to seattle? thanks, ken; www.rosewoodblues.com Seattle, WA. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 18:56:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TMq9D00925; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:52:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00da01c36e80$2ceaf210$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001a01c36e70$f1925f00$6e61f93f@global> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If only I could get the EDP and the REPEATER to talk to each > other in midi, but it seems problematic at best. Anyone > getting that to work consistently and want to help me out > with your creative work around? > > yours, rick walker (loop.pool) i'll give this a try, if you are talking about sync. the repeater "thinks" in 1/4 notes and the edp in 1/8.... also, the repeater chokes on really fast midi clock, which can easily happen, if you have 1/8s per cycle set high and a short loop on the edp. i had real trouble getting them to agree on odd time sigs (something you mentioned you are also into) because of the 1/4 vs 1/8 thing. you wind up having to make the repeater run in double time (which causes you to hit the repeaters upper bpm limit faster) hope that helps. i have sold my repeater so i can't really do any further testing on this end. it was great fun while it lasted, but times they are a-changin... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 19:28:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7TNQZY23909; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:26:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek--I Can Play It--I Can't Pronounce It Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:26:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1d6.ff738ad.2c812050@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary here-- this pattern (in Em Dorian, it's Root fifth min 3 four second flat sixth, for your edification) moves up and up like an Escher painting! I'm gonna go play it now! Yup, it's hip--how many other Loop List members are hip to this one--and, say, include it in their playlist (if such a thing could be dreamed of--I bet Claude's got one 8^)) Is it like his greatest hit or something? Mildly concerned, Gary -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek In a message dated 8/29/03 4:34:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: hey nemogit check it out! gary.....im hip to it, claude knocked me out with this awhile ago.....michael n.p. IPOU KAPEK from the CT-PROJCET "EUROPE" CD.....also of interest on this cd are tracs by: raul bonnell tomas, david cooper orton, olivier malhomme and of course the esteemed mr. voit! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 20:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U07C532391; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:07:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:07:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030830000706.60600.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek--I Can Play It--I Can't Pronounce It To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > this pattern (in Em Dorian, it's Root fifth min 3 > four second flat sixth, > for your edification) moves up and up like an Escher > painting! A different animal to be sure, but your description kinda reminds me of what some people call a 'barber pole': a delayed/looplayered rising or falling tone that never reaches its destination because as it fades away, it's beginning again (and in the middle of itself as well). Example of one: the end of Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' from 'Meddle'. > Is it like his greatest hit or something? Monsieur Voit's album would be worth checking out; how can we get it, Claude? Meanwhile, Michael mentioned that the tune is on the CT-Project compilation, but didn't give the link: here 'tis: Claude has other stuff there as well. I enjoy his track 'Harmonic Obsession Dance' from CT-Acoustic. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 20:34:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U0W8T04078; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek--I Can Play It--I Can't Pronounce It Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:32:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030830000706.60600.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <1d8OnC.A.l_.IC_T_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson described: what some people call a 'barber pole': a delayed/looplayered rising or falling tone that never reaches its destination because as it fades away, it's beginning again (and in the middle of itself as well). Example of one: the end of Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' from 'Meddle'. How does one do that (elegantly, of course) on either the EDP or Repeater? I probably could figure it out, just thought I'd cause a little trouble here. Happy haoleday, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 20:40:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U0cZb05428; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030830003829.45603.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <12e.30b661b9.2c811652@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Strangely, it > always sort of surprises me when people say they'd > NEVER use "canned" > loops in their music (as though using such is a > major "sin" of some sort) Yeah, I know what you mean... I think the difference would be in just *how* prestructured and 'standalone' the canned loops are. If it's a totally prepared 'just press play' backing track with drums, bass, backing vox and rhythm guitar that someone's playing dweedly solos over the top thereof, you might as well be watching karaoke, IMO. But (and from your description you fall into the more creative camp) if the canned loops are merely ingredients to be drawn upon extemporaneously, and the element of creation is preserved, ie. something is presented in real time to the audience that didn't exist before, I see nothing wrong at all with that. It's the difference between the little tubs of pre-mixed paint that come with a paint-by-numbers set and a 'real' pallate. While I've mentioned before in RC-20 threads that I've never used the pedal's storage settings, it should be mentioned that my rack also contains two minidisc decks loaded up with 'canned' samples, mostly loops I've constructed in SoundForge and/or Acid, with some other more atmospheric ones (jets, crickets, field recordings). The canned loops are mostly very short, and can then be resampled and mangled through other post-processing. It's not at all like playing to a backing track, though, as the loops by themselves do not constitute a complete musical statement and rely heavily on additional real-time manipulation. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 20:51:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U0nj107000; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:49:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:49:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030830004939.50710.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek--I Can Play It--I Can't Pronounce It To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > How does one do [a 'barber pole'] ... on > either the EDP or Repeater? There might be many ways, but the easy answer (and one that would work with ANY kind of looper of sufficient delay time) would be to post-process the loop. 1) Open your loop. 2) Fade in a rising or falling glissando (or speed-change an old-scool delay sample-and-hold loop INTO your other looper), then fade out. 3) Close the loop. (At this point the glissando will be discrete and separated by a moment of silence) 4) (Optional) Overdub more glissandi onto the loop and over the loop 'seam' 5) Post-process the loop through boatloads of delay. Psychoacoustic caveat: whilst rising 'barber poles' are figuratively uplifting, falling ones are kind of a spiral downer... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 20:57:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U0tUq08084; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:55:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:55:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308292106.h7TL6bw04154@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The current musical environment is full of many things that I personally avoid. And there are some things that I enjoy as a music consumer that I don't as music producer. But whatever works for you, and your audience, works. At one end of the spectrum you've got free improvisation, and the other end you've got lip syncing, and everything else falls somewhere between. Everyone has their personal line, one side of which is "acceptable", the other is "cheating". Personally, I've adopted a set of "rules", (inspired by the Dogme 95 film movement) for my solo looping project to push me out of certain comfort zones that I've developed over the years. So: only acoustic guitar, no effects other than a reverb applied to the entire mix, no pre-recorded material, two brother-sync'ed EDPs. I've mulled over the idea of using a drum machine to generate a MIDI click, but for now I've opted to use a self-generated base loop and build everything else relative to that timing. But like I said, if the pre-recorded stuff is working for you, rock out 'til ya pass out. TravisH On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 02:06 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Strangely, it > always sort of surprises me when people say they'd NEVER use "canned" > loops in their music (as though using such is a major "sin" of some > sort) when the current musical environment is so full of that very > thing (either via sampling or vinyl or sequencing or drum machines or > beat/grooveboxes and or Acid/Live software). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 21:11:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U15c311312; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek--I Can Play It--I Can't Pronounce It Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:05:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030830004939.50710.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh Yeah, there's one on the SPX 90. Thanks for the play by play. Gary --- Relay wrote: > How does one do [a 'barber pole'] ... on > either the EDP or Repeater? There might be many ways, but the easy answer (and one that would work with ANY kind of looper of sufficient delay time) would be to post-process the loop. 1) Open your loop. 2) Fade in a rising or falling glissando (or speed-change an old-scool delay sample-and-hold loop INTO your other looper), then fade out. 3) Close the loop. (At this point the glissando will be discrete and separated by a moment of silence) 4) (Optional) Overdub more glissandi onto the loop and over the loop 'seam' 5) Post-process the loop through boatloads of delay. Psychoacoustic caveat: whilst rising 'barber poles' are figuratively uplifting, falling ones are kind of a spiral downer... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 22:13:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U2CWN20935; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c36e9c$270ca700$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <87DBA8C1-D9B8-11D7-AA68-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Cranky Kim Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:12:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <83oYZB.A._GF.QgAU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 5:34 PM -0700 8/28/03, msottilaro wrote: > >(except in the case of Rik Elswit at Banana's at Large. A list > >member and expert EDP user) > > Funny to see Rik's name pop up. I've been in this Moog-obsession mode > lately, picking up a bunch of early Moog-themed records. One of the So you bought Zappa's "Live at the Fillmore East", just so you could hear "Lonesome Electric Turkey", right? :) Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 22:26:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U2Iua22191; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:18:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <91.32453815.2c816389@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:18:49 EDT Subject: Re: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek--I Can Play It--I Can't Pronounce It To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_91.32453815.2c816389_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_91.32453815.2c816389_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You guys are talking about the "Shepherd Tone", from Roger (?) Shepherd's research on psychoaccoustics many years ago. I've got a "Shepherd Function" lfo as part of my custom-built analog modular synth. Basically it has 8 triangle wave outputs, at 45 degrees phase difference to each other, and 8 corresponding sawtooth outputs that can either be rising or falling. To make the classic barber pole effect, one controls the vco's frequencies with the sawtooth waves (always rising or falling pitches) and amplitude (by vca) with the triangle waves (each oscillator starts out silent, fades up to a max volume at halfway up the sawtooth, then fades out in volume by the time the sawtooth wave resets). By having layers of these tone events (8 in this case- could be more) overlapping, it creates the impression of an eternally rising or falling tone. I think Harald Bode created a phase shifter that worked this way; I've always wanted to know more about the history and specs of *that* product... Best, Tim F PS that lfo is great for quad panning! In a message dated 8/29/03 6:05:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > Oh Yeah, there's one on the SPX 90. > Thanks for the play by play. > Gary > > > > --- Relay wrote: > > >How does one do [a 'barber pole'] ... on > >either the EDP or Repeater? > > There might be many ways, but the easy answer (and one > that would work with ANY kind of looper of sufficient > delay time) would be to post-process the loop. > > 1) Open your loop. > 2) Fade in a rising or falling glissando (or > speed-change an old-scool delay sample-and-hold loop > INTO your other looper), then fade out. > 3) Close the loop. (At this point the glissando will > be discrete and separated by a moment of silence) > 4) (Optional) Overdub more glissandi onto the loop and > over the loop 'seam' > 5) Post-process the loop through boatloads of delay. > > Psychoacoustic caveat: whilst rising 'barber poles' > are figuratively uplifting, falling ones are kind of a > spiral downer... > > -t- > > --part1_91.32453815.2c816389_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys are talking about the "Shepherd Tone", from R= oger (?) Shepherd's research on psychoaccoustics many years ago. I've got a=20= "Shepherd Function" lfo as part of my custom-built analog modular synth. Bas= ically it has 8 triangle wave outputs, at 45 degrees phase difference to eac= h other, and 8 corresponding sawtooth outputs that can either be rising or f= alling. To make the classic barber pole effect, one controls the vco's frequ= encies with the sawtooth waves (always rising or falling pitches) and amplit= ude (by vca) with the triangle waves (each oscillator starts out silent, fad= es up to a max volume at halfway up the sawtooth, then fades out in volume b= y the time the sawtooth wave resets). By having layers of these tone events=20= (8 in this case- could be more) overlapping, it creates the impression of an= eternally rising or falling tone. I think Harald Bode created a phase shift= er that worked this way; I've always wanted to know more about the history a= nd specs of *that* product...

Best,

Tim F

PS that lfo is great for quad panning!


In a message dated 8/29/03 6:05:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, relaydelayband@= earthlink.net writes:

Oh Yeah, there's one on the SPX= 90.
Thanks for the play by play.
Gary



--- Relay <relaydelayband@earthlink.net> wrote:

>How does one do [a 'barber pole'] ... on
>either the EDP or Repeater?

There might be many ways, but the easy answer (and one
that would work with ANY kind of looper of sufficient
delay time) would be to post-process the loop.

1) Open your loop.
2) Fade in a rising or falling glissando (or
speed-change an old-scool delay sample-and-hold loop
INTO your other looper), then fade out.
3) Close the loop. (At this point the glissando will
be discrete and separated by a moment of silence)
4) (Optional) Overdub more glissandi onto the loop and
over the loop 'seam'
5) Post-process the loop through boatloads of delay.

Psychoacoustic caveat: whilst rising 'barber poles'
are figuratively uplifting, falling ones are kind of a
spiral downer...

-t-



--part1_91.32453815.2c816389_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 22:42:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U2ZHq24527; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:35:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:35:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030829212449.045ff1c0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:34:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Shepard Tones (was RE: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek--I Can Play It--I Can't Pronounce It) In-Reply-To: <20030830000706.60600.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:07 PM 8/29/2003 -0700, Tim Nelson wrote: >--- Relay wrote: > > this pattern (in Em Dorian, it's Root fifth min 3 four second flat sixth, > > for your edification) moves up and up like an Escher painting! > >A different animal to be sure, but your description kinda reminds me of >what some people call a 'barber pole': a delayed/looplayered rising or >falling tone that never reaches its destination because as it fades away, >it's beginning again (and in the middle of itself as well). Example of >one: the end of Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' from 'Meddle'. I think the proper term for those are 'Shepard Tones' -- named after the perceptual scientist who discovered them, Roger N. Shepard. There's also an excellent example of Shepard Tones used on the last track of Yellow Magic Orchestra's album _BGM_, titled "Loom". If you're interested in recreating them, do a quick Google search. It just came up with a few different tips on implementing Shepard Tones on a variety of electronic instruments. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 29 22:52:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U2ok726981; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <18.34915ad9.2c816b02@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:50:42 EDT Subject: Re: Shepard Tones (was RE: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek--I Can Play It-... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18.34915ad9.2c816b02_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_18.34915ad9.2c816b02_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/03 7:35:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes: > Shepard that's he! --part1_18.34915ad9.2c816b02_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/29/03 7:35:39 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes:

Shepard


that's he! --part1_18.34915ad9.2c816b02_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 00:34:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U4X9112446; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:33:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:33:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Almost anyone using pre-programmed patterns on a drum machine is essentially using canned loops, and I've done plenty with drum machines over the years. I got my SP808 thinking it would be a great way to capture loops to use as canned material. I haven't really done that, however. On my one effort at a CD project, I didn't consciously try not to use any canned material from either a drum machine or the SP808, but I ended up doing everything very live. That means that on the two tracks where I had drums, I was playing the HandSonic live to start it off before playing guitar. How those results turned out is open to interpretation. For example, recording two tracks a couple days apart ended up with relatively similar drum beats because (a) I'm not a drummer and (b) that was the rhythm that seemed to be in my head at the time. Maybe if I'd been programming the loop instead of playing it, I'd have pushed myself in more eccentric directions. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 01:00:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U4wtO15919; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Looping traditional musical forms / looping philosophy Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:58:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030829160647.24615.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:07 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Looping traditional musical forms / looping philosophy > --- Mike Barrs wrote: > > >And then there is the problem of the "crash to a singularity" >> when you've built up a looped "A" section with bass, rhythm >> guitar and lead, and then suddenly move to naked guitar on the >> "B" section because it needs a new bass line and new rhythm > >chords. If you're not working in the ambient soundscape style, >> you can't hide these transitions with washes of delay and reverb >> tails. > > This is a different issue entirely, and not one exclusive to the > Repeater. Yeah, I'm getting that impression. > If you're doing all kinds of different parts and layering > up a whole bunch of stuff before moving to the next section of the > piece, you're always going to have problems like this. As someone > else said, it would be easier to move through the different parts > adding a layer at a time instead. I've tried that, and it works with some things. It's a question of how far you think the audience will put up with you building a basic structure before you get to the "good stuff". > That said, if you can get to a Phil Keaggy concert, this guy does > this better then anyone I've ever seen. I don't really hear it on > his recordings, but in concert he uses loops on every single song. > And all he does are traditional song arrangements, no "washy > ambient" material at all. He does the entire show solo, with a > Lexicon Jamman and the loops come in and out all the time. > It's pretty much seemless too. If you weren't watching him dance > around on the footpedals, and hearing other parts coming and going > when there's only one guy on the stage, you'd probably never know > he was looping (ie, if you only heard the audio). It's really quite > amazing, and it sounds like what he's doing exactly what you want to > do. Drat! I keep hearing Keaggy's name come up, and I'm never in the right place at the right time to see him live. I wish there were more live performance videos of artists like this, for us beginner loopers to cop a few ideas. Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 01:01:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U4wJk15828; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:58:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:58:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike Barrs" To: Subject: RE: Cranky Kim Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:57:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828220001.02570a98@loopers-delight.com> X-Loop-Detect: 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Hi Mike! Welcome to Looper's Anonymous! Hi Kim, and thanks! Much snippage below, to respond to the main points. > >If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier > >because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone > hates, unless > >they're another looping musician. > > That's true if the looper is a beginner and doesn't know how to adjust > their loops with the music around them. I don't know about that. Even with tap tempo on the Repeater, you're a long way from the kind of realtime, continuous tempo adjustment that happens with live musicians. Also, it's a strange concept (outside of looping) for the rest of the band to follow the guitar player, or the keyboard player, or whoever is into looping. Tempo management is normally the role of the drummer and bass player. We're talking about two different cultures here -- live, free tempo groups vs. groups that work on a fixed clock. I'm not trying to make the case that one is better than the other... just trying to point out that it's a different culture, and it's an uphill battle to get someone to move into a different culture. > It's no different from a beginner on any other instrument. How well does > someone who just started playing drums play with others? That's gonna be > just as much a tempo problem! Before I got into guitar, I was a drummer. So I'm coming at this from both perspectives. That makes it twice as embarrassing that I've had to spend time learning how to hit the loop button on the downbeat! However... this is different from keeping a steady beat on kit drums, where you're active all the time. The way I'm doing it now (as a guitar player) requires precision timing once every 12 bars (or whatever loop structure I'm using). It's not as easy as keeping tempo when your main thing is percussion or drums, and you're driving the rhythm in real time on every eighth note (or whatever). > >2) Someone like me who comes from a traditional music background > (blues and > >jazz) automatically thinks in terms of traditional song structures like > >A-A-B-A. How many people on this list have actually tried to loop a > >traditional verse-verse-chorus-verse song? I've been working at it for a > >year, and it's frustrating. The Repeater fixes the bar length > with the first > >recorded track, so forget an AABA song where the "B" section is > a different > >number of bars, unless you want to get into a Midi pedal tap dancing > >nightmare of arming and switching between loops. > > seems to me your problem is specific with the repeater, not > looping. That's > simple to deal with in the Echoplex. The boomerang might be able to do it > too, I'm not sure. The jamman had the same problem of forcing all > the loops > to be the same length. Okay, so the EDP is better at structured AABA song format looping? If so, I need to read the manual and see if this offers some things the Repeater doesn't. > To some extent too, think about arrangement. what the hell are > you talking > about AABA where you've recorded multiple overdubs over the A loop before > you ever get to B? Or bass and rhythm and lead while also talking about > looping with multiple people? Can't the bass player make his own loop? This is in the context of solo performance, sorry if that wasn't clear. I don't have a bass player. My bass player is my thumb on the bottom two strings of my guitar. > i would suggest you at least try and echoplex and see if it works for you. > That might be in my future at some point, and thanks for the feedback! Mike Barrs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 02:46:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U6irl30335; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:44:09 -0400 Subject: Roland sp-303 as a loop/sample/drumbox station... From: Borhane Blili Hamelin To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2U3g6.A.3ZH.lfEU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lots of people talk about the boss rc-20 as a cheaper alternative to a looping station. What about the SP-303 ? I have absolutely no knowledge as far as looping goes, so that's why I'm asking, but wouldn't it be a better choice ? If I'm not mistaken, it can be midi controlled : does this mean it can be triggered solely from a midi controller pedal ? If so is there any drawback to using such a unit instead of a headrush/rc-20 type unit ??? I wanna get into looping, and this thing seems to go far beyond that ( with drumbeeats and such.) Would it be a good choice for that purpose ?It also seems that much manipulations can be done hands on the unit... Otherwise, what would you recommend in that price range ? Thanks ! Bo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 03:03:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U6xMT00773; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:54:06 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c36ec3$81e4a7f0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many of the 'live' acts I've worked with this summer used DAT or sequenced bits to enhance their performance and, properly done, works quite well. Doc Powell flew in from LA with his guitar and a Zip drive, used the backline provided and hired local hotshots to read charts. Keiko Matsui relied on her drummer to trigger a DAT as well. Chris Botti's keyboardist used an old Akai sampler and zip drive for some backing tracks and Alexander Zonjic's drummer, Danny Cox uses Ddrum triggers and an MPC for sample triggering. In every case, there was a full band on stage, playing all of their parts, so they were not relying on the 'samples' to provide the show. We had a few discussions at Tuesday coffee about all this. Everyone seems to agree that it is all about the music and leaving the audience satisfied rather than feeling guilty about using a few backing bits. On the other hand, one local client that recently opened for Culture Club, said their whole show was canned! The musicians played, but there was only stage volume and their 'performance' did not reach the house. With the exception of the vocals, they relied entirely on the DAT for their show. This is certainly what we are trying to avoid, but I don't a single person in the audience knew. Ultimately, pleasing the people that sign the check is the underlying factor. Spelled out, this is the club owner, promoter or the ticket holding audience. If they leave at the end of the show feeling they 'got what they paid for', they just might have favorable comments about the artist. This word of mouth advertising might help to fill the next club/festival you play! We can climb the mountain and shout for artistic integrity or purism and that's ok too. If you sleep good at night, pleased the audience and got paid, it really doesn't matter how you got there. Just remember to avoid felling that you've arrived! ;) Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 5:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:49 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Anyone else have thoughts, opinions and/or experiences to share? > Or does everyone here associate anything "canned" with Milli Vanilli > and/or Karaoke? I guess some types of audiences would even consider > looping as "cheating" in some way. I guess the line between "live" and > "canned" loops has become blurry over the years and has largely > ceased to matter to me at all. This is exactly the type of show that I've been formulating. So far it's working out really well. Yesterday I received my M-audio USB audio interface and I was happily surprised to find a version of Live included! It's a truncated version of 1.5, but as far as I can tell it will act *exactly* like I intend it to. One of the biggest reasons for me to do this was a size/setup time issue, but I'm also finding that this type of "Live Production" is really fun and allows me to make music that I couldn't make using my old setup. Frankly, the whole idea of "live looping" is great... to us. However, to the audience they could care less. All they want is a good show and interesting music. They could care less about how you get there. I'm still in the beginning phases of this Looper/DJ setup, but the first steps show a lot of promise. While the Repeater was the tool I used to make the loops, it's not what's playing the loops back. Live synced to the E-MU Command Station is taking care of that. I can play all I want using the Command Stations Pads or a small midi keyboard so I don't feel like I'm not getting a chance to add harmonic content to the music. A Numark Axis 9 CD player let's me scratch and mutilate samples to my hearts content. Over all I have not felt like I missed my old setup at all and I can now easily compete with DJs in terms of setup times and production value. I can't wait to hear your new CD Ted! I still love the old one! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 04:21:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U8IpI09816; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c36ecf$2e60fe60$ce64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308291756.h7THueo02550@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Please Let's Change the Thread Name Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:17:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 'Cranky Kim' thread is now talking about the price of Jamman's when they first went out of production. For the sake of the archives and newbies looking up stuff, not to mention the people who are sick of the old cranky Kim thread and would be scintillated by talk of the blowout of Jammans several years ago could we please get disciplined about changing the thread names. You can always make a reference to the old thread so that you don't lose anyone in the thread i.e., ex-Jamman blowout (was 'Cranky Kim' thread) Thanks, Crankier Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 04:21:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U8J4Z09855; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:19:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:19:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c36ecf$36560ac0$ce64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308291756.h7THueo02550@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: ex-Jamman blowout (was 'Cranky Kim' thread) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:17:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahhh, now that the thread name has changed I feel so much lighter............lol. I bought three Jammans (which I changed immediately to Jampersons with a little graphic computer manipulation...........................oh, I can just hear the poor east coast loopers moaning over this flaky, PC, west coast behaviour) for $200 each when they got discontinued. They became Jamperson #2 and #3 in my rack and one I bought for another musician. I thought I was the most sophisticated looper on earth at the time............LOL.............hadn't even heard of that phenom, David Torn then..............................yeppers...................I had me three Jampersons with an archaic Akai midi mapper set so that in concert with another Jamman owner, they only had to signal me and I could make any of my three loopers the main instrument or let them do the loop driving, as it were. Jamman #1 was percussion/voice...........#2 was bass guitar and #3 was what ever other melodic instrument I was playing on the piece. that purchase convinced me that I could actually go out and do a solo show for the very first time................having been a support drummer/percussionist all of my adult life, that was one hell of a liberating concept. Now I got's me an EDP, a Repeater, two line 6 DL-4s and I don't even get the Jamman's out anymore (despite the enticing and fabulous work that Max Valentino is doing with his Bob Sellon upgrade chip that so enlargeds the jammans capacity. I do have to say this about the Jamman: it had rock solid midi clock going both to and from the unit. A used one is still an inexpensive option for a midi syncable looper if you can't step up to that big boy, the EDP. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 04:42:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U8e8b13013; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:40:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:40:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c36ed2$27048120$ce64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308292106.h7TL6bb04155@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Canned Loops Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:38:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, I've always been in the "I don't ever use canned loops" category and still haven't used one yet. That being said and done, I'm amazed at how many people watching my shows (when they are not playing to the converted at , say a Looping Festival full of live loopers) come up to me and ask me about how I am triggering those canned loops. I think the general public these days has become so inured to backing tracks, creative DJ shows and shows that use different kinds of modes (Portishead come to mind with their seemless live use of scratched groove on turntable, sequenced analogue synthesize, live rock/soul band and live vocals) that they frequently care less whether one uses some prerecorded loops. I'm beginning to see where it might be liberating for me to investigate that (and, again, I mean in a general audience performance kind of situation). I have to admit, I get a giant kick out of looping a brass candy dish who's overtones that I am manipulating in a comb filter stylee in real time and then suddenly picking up my wind synth and playing that loop modally over three octaves. There really hasn't been a time until recently where there was gear that would allow you to do such a thing in front of an audiences eyes. Mass general audiences have been listening to looped samples since the advent of hip hop in their recorded music so, in a way, if it serves the music, there is no big deal about using pre-recorded loops. Chris, Michael Peters, Leander Reininhaus and I both saw TARWATER in Berlin the day after the 1st Berlin Live Looping Festival and the two of them (who are brilliant IMHO) went on stage with two AKAI MPC 2000s (sample players) and triggerred loops live with their fingers. One sang while he did that, the other played all the bass lines while he did similar things. I, personally, loved that show because the music was so compelling and it was wonderful to be seeing two of my musical heroes. Chris and I, who have been contemplating starting a new live duet abstract electronica pop band with vocals turned to each other and just broke into shit eating grins because we realized that we could rely on a precorded loop or sequence or two and keep the bulk of the playing live so that we can give the project the timbral variation that it would have on the record that we will record (as soon as we have actually taken the time to record the records). It's wierd, but I felt elated and liberated to realize that I've always owned the technology to pull it off (but never the courage to actually do it). ****************************** Also, on tour this summer when I had a particularly cool loop in my EDP or Repeater or DL-4 I would record it into my 128 meg CFC card. I still haven't gone back an listened to them yet, but I'll bet I have the makings of several really cool songs for my next record of abstract electronica in those loops....................they won't, when I 'm finished with them, sound a whole hell of a lot like the live pieces I played but hell, I made the music, I guess I can plaigarize myself as much as I want...........LOL. The first track on my live CD used this technique..............it's source material is only one live piece but I chopped it up in ACID on the 'puter....................it's the only piece that isn't really live on an otherwise live looping CD, but I just wanted to start the record off with something really cool. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 05:02:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U8wVo15571; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:58:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ea01c36ed4$b8b1fba0$ce64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308300500.h7U50o717610@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:57:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Travis, You would really enjoy Claude Voit's music, I think, given your description of the conditions you give to yourself for a looping performance. He, like you, has made a committment to minimalizing his set up and moving away from more involved technology (hope I'm representing you correctly Claude.........) I did a couple of shows with him in Lucerne, Switzerland and Lago Di Garda in Italy (the latter with Luca Formentini) and he did really very, very hip stuff with an acoustic guitar. He even has experimented with putting a piezo pickup up underneath the neck so that he can pick up all kinds of really hip non-melodic percussion aspects of the strings. His rhythmic work was just fascinating and very original sounding to me. I was fascinated by what he did. I also hear him say that he had done a whole bunch of experimentation with using midi commands and sequencing to alter his EDP loops in real time which also fascinates me, but , alas, he is through with the part of his music and wants to get more 'essential' and minimal like you do. Me, I want to buy a Palm Pilot so I can use a cheesy simple and small sequencer for manipulating my EDP/Repeater loops. ".............You say potayto, I say potahto..........." I hope to hear the results of your music someday. yours , Rick Walker (who can't play a guitar to save his life but uses one regularly on stage) ps that does it.............three posts in one day............................one would think I have a lot of time on my hands which couldn't be farther from the truth................just look at the post time of this last one, though....................lol................thanks for putting up with me. ******************************* Travis wrote: > Personally, I've adopted a set of "rules", (inspired by the Dogme 95 > film movement) for my solo looping project to push me out of certain > comfort zones that I've developed over the years. So: only acoustic > guitar, no effects other than a reverb applied to the entire mix, no > pre-recorded material, two brother-sync'ed EDPs. I've mulled over the > idea of using a drum machine to generate a MIDI click, but for now I've > opted to use a self-generated base loop and build everything else > relative to that timing. > > But like I said, if the pre-recorded stuff is working for you, rock out > 'til ya pass out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 05:19:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U9Hn219394; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:17:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:17:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:17:36 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002f01c36ed7$8df985b0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > While the Repeater was the tool I > used to make the loops, it's not what's playing the loops back. Live > synced to the E-MU Command Station is taking care of that. Mark, If you bought Live after Aug 1 you are qualified for a free upgrade to version 3. Spec's looking good at http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=news-archive&sub=live3beta I'm going to get the beta "for investigation" asap ;-) Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 05:41:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7U9U0m21150; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:30:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:30:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:29:52 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003001c36ed9$44237980$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <00da01c36e80$2ceaf210$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > If only I could get the EDP and the REPEATER to talk to each > > other in midi, but it seems problematic at best. Anyone > > getting that to work consistently and want to help me out > > with your creative work around? > > > > yours, rick walker (loop.pool) > > From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > i'll give this a try, if you are talking about sync. > the repeater "thinks" in 1/4 notes and the edp in 1/8.... > also, the repeater chokes on really fast midi clock, > which can easily happen, if you have 1/8s per cycle set > high and a short loop on the edp. Yes, I love this "defect" in the Repeater. As I run it slaved to the EDP tempo can sometimes go up to the very highest possible when I'm kicking the EDP into 32 8ths/cycle. I have noticed that the Repeater doesn't even try to match the tempo - it just keeps on in the old tempo. Which is of course musically correct even though some polyrhythmic effect will occur. As Ted Kilian said, you can't control too much at the same time (at least I'm no octopus) and I like having the Repeater "living a musical life of its own" at the time when I concentrate on the EDP. I really think the Repeater is the perfect "back-up looper". > i had real trouble getting them to agree > on odd time sigs (something you mentioned you are also into) > because of the 1/4 vs 1/8 thing. you wind up having to make > the repeater run in double time (which causes you to hit the > repeaters upper bpm limit faster) Yes. I ran into that too. My solution was to play different music that did not suffer from that. It seems to be a seriously difficult project to play pre-composed and structured music with live-looping technology. Like humans, those boxes all excel in different areas ;-) All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 06:09:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UA7sa26770; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:07:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 03:07:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308300500.h7U50oS17609@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For me, a solution that requires buying an buggy, out-of-production piece of gear and programming a MIDI footcontroller isn't an appealing option. It wasn't clear in my original post, but I was asking how the problem of wandering tempos when combining multiple musicians and rhythmic loops could be addressed on the EDP, and near as I can figure, there's no solution that I'd consider elegant. Having a time stretch feature would be helpful, but my experience is that tempos go up and down and up and down over the duration of a piece. Having to re-sync the loop is a pain in the ass, via timestretch or retriggering or whatever, which is why I prefer that everyone follow the loop (or timecode). And don't get me started about DJs who don't understand that fretted instruments can't bend up or down from A440 with impunity... TravisH On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 10:00 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Travis wrote: > "If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo > shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent > information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. " > > > Dear Travis, > > for all it's well publicized faults (and there are several of > them.........LOL) , the Electrix REPEATER is the only looper that > can do > this on the fly as it uses sample stretching technology (ala Sound > Forge's > ACID or Ableton's LIVE). > > The cool thing is that you can program a midi pedal with whatever tempo > tolerances you would like > (most live songs rarely speed up more than 10 or 15 BPM as an example). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 06:31:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UASwg29345; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:28:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:28:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c36ee1$8637b2c0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <001a01c36e70$f1925f00$6e61f93f@global> Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:28:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>"If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. "<<< So why try? why not adjust the musicians? When it comes to playing along with Loops, some people 'get it', some people don't. If you have a listen to my duo CD with Jez Carr - 'Conversations', he clearly 'gets it' dispite never having done any looping at that point himself. He just understands that the establishment of the rhythmic framework is down to the looper. The alternative is to use loops that don't require other people to be in time with it - I quite often put down loops of all kinds in group situations that even if they are rhythmic, aren't dependent on other following the same rhythm. That's a tricky one to explain, but it works. At the risk of turning this into a plug for my CDs, my next album is a duet CD with Theo Travis, a looping sax/flautist, and we're quite often both using fairly rhythmic unsync'd loops without any sense of them being 'out of time'. I had a gig last weekend with a keyboardist call Patrick Wood who likewise was great at hearing where a particular loop was going, what it implied or didn't about the rhythm of the piece and responded accordingly. As a result, we had a great gig! :o) Drummers are harder to deal with in this respect, as they are used to being the band metronome, but I've even met kit players who can follow a loop... BTW - at the gig with Patrick, it was very nice to meet up with David Swain - it's always fun to put a face to a LD personality! :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 06:48:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UAkOE31292; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Shepard Tones (was RE: Claude Voit's See What--Ipoulkapek--I Can Play It--I Can't Pronounce It) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:46:15 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003701c36ee3$f04151b0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030829212449.045ff1c0@spamarrest.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] > I think the proper term for those are 'Shepard Tones' -- > named after the > perceptual scientist who discovered them, Roger N. Shepard. Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting! I was truely amazed when heard "Shepard Tones" for the first time in some early IRCAM stuff on a redio show. Sometimes I make a "Shepard Tone Loop" by overdubbing rising notes with a slide guitar into a loop. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 08:32:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UCVvm12959; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:31:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:31:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:31:53 -0400 Subject: Re: recent favorite Loping CDs... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: wavelet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002a01c36c3f$cb9b5500$12ffa344@hppav> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I snagged Steve Lawson's CD "not dancing for chicken" offa CD Baby a while back and was blown away by it. All live looping and playing. It caused me to seriously rethink, and ultimately replace, my last looper. Since then I have picked up "and nothing but the bass" as well as the "Conversations" CD with Jez Carr. All of it is very tasty, while keeping to the ambient space-jazz side of the tracks. That is cool with me! A little ambient space jazz never hurt anyone. I have run into Steve on a few bassist forums and had been listening to the MP3 stuff on his website for a while before I sprung for the CD. I'm glad that I did. http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk/home.htm is where to get yer browza pointed. Pesky Petenheimer On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 22:06 US/Eastern, David wrote: > Question -- in 2003, what cool new music have people been checking out > containing a high proportion of performance-based looping (as opposed > to > studio clips that are sequenced/sampled...)??? > > Kranky Kirkdorffer > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 08:39:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UCbNf14322; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:37:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:37:19 -0400 Subject: Re: recent favorite Loping CDs... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: wavelet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002a01c36c3f$cb9b5500$12ffa344@hppav> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've done some work (mastering) with "molotov arc" which is acoustic guitar looping that includes a lot of prepared guitar, happy accidents, and "monsoon at the aviary" kind of soundscapes. Really interesting stuff and you can check it out at CD Baby by searching for "molotov" and looking for molotov arc. I've done some bass looping with molotov, live performance, and it was a blast. Pete On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 22:06 US/Eastern, David wrote: > Question -- in 2003, what cool new music have people been checking out > containing a high proportion of performance-based looping (as opposed > to > studio clips that are sequenced/sampled...)??? > > Kranky Kirkdorffer > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 08:56:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UCtdx17177; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:55:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: recent favorite Loping CDs... Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:55:31 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003c01c36ef5$fec349c0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got a little PayPal money from sales of my guitar sampling CD and ordered Flux Aeterna, recorded by Ted Killian. For some weeks it has been my favorite CD (not only my favorite Looping CD) and I love it even though I have now learned from this list that Ted Is Canned ;-) To my ears it's nice with music that doesn't try to follow any specific idiom. It speaks to me. When I first discoverd Teds music this summer I was listening to mp3 files over the net and completely forgot to keep the volume down (computer connected to studio nearfield monitors and sub woofer) until Rick Walker bounced out from the tiny room he had been sleeping in and asked with a broad smile, still half asleep, "Was that you playing?" (Thanks, for the compliment Rick ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 09:37:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UDZ7h24434; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:35:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:35:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:35:07 -0400 Subject: On the topic of Live looping + pre-rec tracks or not. From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My buddy Jessie Stiles and I have been working together for awhile now making tracks with my looping rig feeding his Laptop Max/MSP patch which also incorporates some aiff files, but which mostly reloops, cuts, and morphs my loops and live sound into drum and bass sounds... We've found a lot of joy and some good material. We're on our way toward our first record. The project is called Axe Puzzles, and the track is called Hardcore Oceanography. I offer it up for your enjoyment and as an example of how I enjoying both live looping and tracks together. . It can be found on my site, http://www.toddreynolds.com Or for a more direct link, http://www.toddreynolds.com/emusic/hardcore.mp3 What you hear is... Todd Reynolds, violin --> Orville <==> EDP Jessie Stiles aka the jts3000 G4 15" 1Ghz running Max/MSP 4.2 I use a Metric Halo Mobile I/O to route the whole operation, governed by a 17" G4, onboard which I carry a couple of different looping rigs (max, reaktor, live) which, I opine in alliance with Kim, currently can not even closely match up to the immediacy, power and flexibility of the EDP. The whole tune is a real time performance. Only the start point was edited. Here's to everybody in this community. LD is great. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 09:49:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UDlqB27213; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:47:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:47:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c36efd$520d7220$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: New Steve Lawson MP3 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:47:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <4d_b4C.A.EpG.HsKU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, just added an MP3 from my forthcoming duet CD with looping sax/flautist Theo Travis - it's in the MP3 section of my site - www.stevelawson.net/home.htm the album is called For The Love Of Open Spaces, and will be released mid-October. Advanced ordering will be available via my site within the next couple of weeks. The MP3 is a four and a half minute section from a track called Uncle Bernie, the full version of which is over 8 mins long. The whole album was recorded live in my studio, improvised (we did new versions of all the tracks, but none of them were as good as the first take improvs), with a few edits for the sake of brevity, but no overdubbing or additional layering. I'm using three EDPs, my MPX-G2 and a Kaoss 2, Theo's using a DL4. have a listen, and let me know what you think! cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 10:09:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UE7wU32139; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:07:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:07:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:07:47 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004501c36f00$172ffd50$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <12e.30b661b9.2c811652@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another interesting thread! ;-D I don't care if an artist is plucking a guitar string or triggering a sample, it's the context of the music created that makes me want to stay and listen. But I admit that there is a certain beauty in the philosophy of creating the sound of music right here and now. But I'm not a purist. I have used pre programmed goove box beats live, but it's just so much more fun without it! I have nothing against backing tapes or pre recorded audio used for performance, but it's sad when artists are using this to mimic a certain already existing "sound". It's just lame, and the more "professional" the more pathetic. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 10:22:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UEEA500830; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:14:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:14:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:14:10 -0400 Subject: RE: Fear of "canned" loops From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry folks, I realized I shouldn't have started another thread (which I did), so i'm reissuing this one under the appropriate and already existing thread... ======================= My buddy Jessie Stiles and I have been working together for awhile now making tracks with my looping rig feeding his Laptop Max/MSP patch which also incorporates some aiff files, but which mostly reloops, cuts, and morphs my loops and live sound into drum and bass sounds... We've found a lot of joy and some good material. We're on our way toward our first record. The project is called Axe Puzzles, and the track is called Hardcore Oceanography. I offer it up for your enjoyment and as an example of how I enjoying both live looping and tracks together. . It can be found on my site, http://www.toddreynolds.com Or for a more direct link, http://www.toddreynolds.com/emusic/hardcore.mp3 What you hear is... Todd Reynolds, violin --> Orville <==> EDP Jessie Stiles aka the jts3000 G4 15" 1Ghz running Max/MSP 4.2 I use a Metric Halo Mobile I/O to route the whole operation, governed by a 17" G4, onboard which I carry a couple of different looping rigs (max, reaktor, live) which, I opine in alliance with Kim, currently can not even closely match up to the immediacy, power and flexibility of the EDP. The whole tune is a real time performance. Only the start point was edited. Here's to everybody in this community. LD is great. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 10:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UEWx803916; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:32:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:32:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:32:43 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004601c36f03$97818a20$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] > My buddy Jessie Stiles and I have been working together for > awhile now making tracks with my looping rig feeding his > Laptop Max/MSP patch which also incorporates some aiff files, > but which mostly reloops, cuts, and morphs my loops and live > sound into drum and bass sounds... > http://www.toddreynolds.com/emusic/hardcore.mp3 Sounds great! I'll definitely watch out for your record. Best wishes Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 11:42:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UFeaY16402; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c36f0c$a6a30ca0$e803883e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <91.32453815.2c816389@aol.com> Subject: shepard tones = risset tones Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:36:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C36F14.D78EE0C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_YbzDB.A.KAE.0VMU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C36F14.D78EE0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Risset tones are available in Audiomulch as well as risset filters - = continuously rising or falling filters - nice!! Gareth ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C36F14.D78EE0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Risset tones are available in = Audiomulch as well as=20 risset filters - continuously rising or falling filters - = nice!!
 
Gareth
------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C36F14.D78EE0C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 12:34:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UGX8m24667; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:33:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:33:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: The Spirit of Live Music Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004501c36f00$172ffd50$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen opined: I have nothing against backing tapes or pre recorded audio used for performance, but it's sad when artists are using this to mimic a certain already existing "sound". It's just lame, and the more "professional" the more pathetic. ---->>More to the point, it kills the vibe! I have been required to perform in situations before where "enforced gaiety" was the rule--i.e., look like you're having a good time even if you aren't. I regret to inform you that most folks don't notice a difference between that and the real thing. Same might be true for audiences experiencing "Canned Looping" or sequences. They might care if they could discern a difference--but their requirements usually come down to three things 1. They like you (as a carbon based unit) 2. They want to have a good time (Very important) 3. What you are doing augments their sense of well being So if the technology is helping YOU have a better time, they might like it fine. It's usually less about sound, and more about appearance. I personally think it's lame to "lipsync", "ape", or otherwise pretend to be performing since we all have better things to do in life and lying gets easier the more you do it. I think Live Looping keeps you honest! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 12:45:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UGiqm26311; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:44:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:44:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:44:49 -0700 Subject: Echoplex input problems From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My EDP is giving me trouble this morning. The input level light responds, signal passes through, but nothing seems to be getting into the loop. The feedback light doesn't glow, threshold recording doesn't respond. Any ideas? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 12:54:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UGqmx27778; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c36f17$a7dfd160$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Echoplex input problems Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:56:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [68.163.192.68] at Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:52:41 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Turn it off -- have a cup of tea -- try again later... This procedure has helped me many times.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Echoplex input problems > My EDP is giving me trouble this morning. > > The input level light responds, signal passes through, but nothing seems to > be getting into the loop. The feedback light doesn't glow, threshold > recording doesn't respond. > > Any ideas? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 12:59:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UGvQX28747; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c36f17$c5f36720$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: Subject: Re: The Spirit of Live Music Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:57:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C36F20.2793F370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 16:57:24.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[C92DAA90:01C36F17] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C36F20.2793F370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Personally i have nothing against 'canned loops', it all depends how and = why there are being used. A loop show is a different thing (IMHO) to a 'non-loop show' (for what = of a better term), at a 'loop show' i expect to see he loops being = recorded, built up, modified - whatever. That is part of the point and = attraction !!!! With that said if there is a atmosphere that would take 20 minutes to = recreate live i have no objections to canned or preprepared loops, i = think this is an artistic as well as technical consideration. Part of = the beuty of looping is in the randomness of it - the real-time = interaction between loopist and tool, but i don't think it has to be = restriced purely to that. It is up to the artist to decide what they = want to bring to the 'aural table' and how they want to get it there. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C36F20.2793F370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Personally i have nothing against = 'canned loops',=20 it all depends how and why there are being used.
A loop show is a different thing = (IMHO) to a=20 'non-loop show' (for what of a better term), at a 'loop show' i = expect to=20 see he loops being recorded, built up, modified - whatever. That is part = of the=20 point and attraction !!!!
 
With that said if there is a atmosphere that would take 20 minutes to recreate = live i=20 have no objections to canned or preprepared loops, i think this is an = artistic=20 as well as technical consideration. Part of the beuty of looping is in = the=20 randomness of it - the real-time interaction between loopist and tool, = but i=20 don't think it has to be restriced purely to that. It is up to the = artist to=20 decide what they want to bring to the 'aural table' and how they want to = get it=20 there.
------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C36F20.2793F370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 13:22:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UHKXO01019; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:20:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:20:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: The Spirit of Live Music Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:20:19 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <005801c36f1a$fda13820$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I personally think it's lame to "lipsync", "ape", or > otherwise pretend to be performing since we all have better > things to do in life and lying gets easier the more you do it. Correct! I'd just like to note for the record that it's not at all easy to lipsync. I've done that on tv shows, video and playback showcases and in many ways I find it actually much easier to do a good show if you are playing for real - but it won't sound the same ;-) Also - for the record - I cut that crap. > I think Live Looping keeps you honest! > Gary I definitely agree! Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 13:23:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UHLZg01276; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:21:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:21:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.203.169] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:21:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 17:21:28.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[259F41A0:01C36F1B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In regards to looping with other musicians/instruments, a couple of important issues come to light: I am quite fortunate that have get to work with many different musicians in a variety of different, and disparate, styles. I always bring at least one of my loopers to the party, and usually find musical ways to integrate loops into a performance. Of course, this intregratuin must be appropriate for the tune/setting. In all cases, that dreaded “drift” becomes an issue. I have found some ways around this, but first let me ask if your loopage in an ensemble situation is meant to be a continuous static event? If that is the case it makes this all most difficult. In these situations I have found that using short loops as sonic or rhythmic texture allows for a great amount of flexibility in regards to interfacing with “live” playing. Re-triggering such a loop is really quite easy and often can add some very creative tension and dynamics. Using loops with live players as a continuous or static event presents a plethora of problems in regards to timing, drift, and sync. The essentials for rectifying any/all of these is knowledgable and open-minded musicians who don’t mind, or can adjust to, playing with a “click”, and a reliable and complete monitoring system. A constant, repetitive loop is much like a click, and “good” players really should not have a problem plying to it, yet, as so it does tend to limit any possible rhythmic or harmonic dis-placement within a performance. For working in “traditional” song forms, I have found that using small , textural loops which are somehow connected to the harmonic “center” of the a passage work much better than long loops which try to follow the ABABA type of form. It is much easier and more musical to “integrate” shorter loops into a live musical performance than to work with longer, strict loops of verse/chorus. For this type of thing I think it might be better to just use sequenced parts (which is that whole other thread…) In regards to time, sync and drummers: Since when is it the drummer’s or bassist’s responsibility to keep time/tempo for others? One thing I stress in bands for which I play (and usually in a role of MD), as well as to my students, is that it is NOT the role of the rhythm section to “keep” time and/or tempo for the other players. That is an individual responsibility of each player, and if you cannot manage this elementary discipline then you are really not ready to “play”. Music, in an ensemble, is made just as much by the interplay and dialogue between the players as it is by the notes played. This dialogue is not constrained or perfect. The imperfections, the drift, the push and pull on the beat defines the quality of the performance and makes the music more, for lack of a better word, “human”. This, of course, creates a certain dilemma for live looping with an ensemble, as loops tend to repeat themselves quite deliberately, and as “perfect” as they were originally played. Short loops, good ears (and monitors) and a certain flexibility from the players involved are necessary to intergrate looping into a “real-time”, live group performance. I think the key work here is “integrate”, as one would hopefully want the loops to be part of the “live” music; and not vice-versa. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 13:23:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UHMA001512; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:22:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:22:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: shepard tones = risset tones Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:22:01 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <005901c36f1b$39a17ab0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <006e01c36f0c$a6a30ca0$e803883e@h1f5k1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Risset tones are available in Audiomulch as > well as risset filters - continuously rising or falling filters - nice!! > Gareth Wow! Can you also apply that filter to a live input? Like singing The Shepard Thing? Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 13:26:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UHO7C02726; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:24:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:24:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:24:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308301232.h7UCWxx13124@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two reasons: virtually all of the musicians I've worked with have little to no interest in adjusting what they do to accommodate looping technology, and even when they did we couldn't ensure that we had adequate technical support for the monitoring required. Some people "get it", some don't, and some people "get it" but know that they don't want anything to do with it. I still run into people that look at a Steinberger and say "What's up with the shitty plastic guitar? Why don't you play something with some vintage warmth?" Really. TravisH On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 05:32 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >>>> "If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo > shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent > information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. "<<< > > So why try? why not adjust the musicians? When it comes to playing > along > with Loops, some people 'get it', some people don't. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 13:44:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UHhMH05144; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:43:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:43:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:43:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Echoplex input problems From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c36f17$a7dfd160$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If only... Coffee and breakfast didn't seem to help. If the tea is really important, I can go try tea. Mark on 8/30/03 9:56 AM, David at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: > Turn it off -- have a cup of tea -- try again later... This procedure has > helped me many times.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hamburg" > To: "Looper's Delight" > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:44 PM > Subject: Echoplex input problems > > >> My EDP is giving me trouble this morning. >> >> The input level light responds, signal passes through, but nothing seems > to >> be getting into the loop. The feedback light doesn't glow, threshold >> recording doesn't respond. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Mark >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 13:47:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UHk5O05848; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:46:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:46:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:46:02 -0700 Subject: Different musical cultures (was re:Cranky Kim) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308301232.h7UCWxx13124@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3uWSoC.A.PbB.dLOU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I completely agree. And when I meet a musician and I'm trying to determine if I want to play with them "loop compatibility" is near the bottom of the list, after "basic ability", "lack of debilitating drug problems", "owns a car/phone/necessary equipment" and so on. TravisH On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 05:32 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I don't know about that. Even with tap tempo on the Repeater, you're a > long > way from the kind of realtime, continuous tempo adjustment that > happens with > live musicians. Also, it's a strange concept (outside of looping) for > the > rest of the band to follow the guitar player, or the keyboard player, > or > whoever is into looping. Tempo management is normally the role of the > drummer and bass player. > > We're talking about two different cultures here -- live, free tempo > groups > vs. groups that work on a fixed clock. I'm not trying to make the case > that > one is better than the other... just trying to point out that it's a > different culture, and it's an uphill battle to get someone to move > into a > different culture. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 13:49:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UHmlX06535; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.192.205] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Fear of "canned" loops Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:48:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 17:48:40.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2B05410:01C36F1E] Resent-Message-ID: <3MYleD.A.9lB._NOU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I have no philosphoical arguments with the use of “canned loops”, there are some issues to address: When I first started doing live, solo looping shows I relied heavily on the use of drum machines and fx processing (sometimes 3 drum machines simultaneously!). As someone already pointed out, the use of a drum machine does constitutes the use of “canned” loops. I used these to help provide some textural/rhythmic diversity to the performance. While I felt this was all well and good, and certainly enjoyed the challenge of programming complex and coordinating sequences, one thing I did notice was the audience’s apparent apathy with the use of pre-recorded sequences. As Rick stated, there are audiences who have come to expect the use of prerecorded tracks, and their added complexity, in a performance. They seem to have no problem with the use/hearing of them. I wonder if these audiences are somewhat “regional” (i.e. urban)? Or, if this is generally found to be accepted when the performance is vocal-oriented (and thus offering the most “human” of sounds for which the audience to relate to, offsetting the automated quality of “canned” tracks)? What I have found is that regardless of the use of live lops, canned loops, or sequencers in a performance, most audiences care very little about the hardware used, but rather about the nature of the performance and its level of entertainment. Yet, my own experience has shown that a great number of audience members at my shows have been quite put off, even alienated, by the use of sequencers/drum machines. In my performances, an audience which was largely enthralled, or at least captivated, by a solo bass looping piece, would immediately find something else to hold their interest the moment the drum machines kicked on. It would seem that most can accept, even if they don’t understand, a looping device being used when they can “see” the original passage played then looped back, yet, the sudden addition of textural, harmonic, rhythmic, melodic, or even timbral complexities, which far exceed the bounds of a “single” musician, confounds them; leaving them feeling a bit “cheated” by the loss of a live performance. I also found that rather than just kick starting a drum pattern, if I were to physically tap out the part on my little machine the audience became rather fascinated with the whole process. It seems there is a definite relationship between the visual and auditory stimuli that an audience receives. This led me to my current set-up where I tap out rhythm/drum patterns on my bass using string muting, body thumps, alligator clips etc. creating drum-like cadences and phrases which are then looped. Sure, it is timbrally different than “true” drum sounds, but the overall effect is the same, and this process seems to capture the audience’s attention, and imagination, much better. I think a similar situation arises with complex fx/signal chains where so much sonic information is passed onto an audience that they cannot fathom how it is all produced by one, two, or three musicians. Without understanding they they simply assume much of it to be canned, and again that feeling of being “cheated” of a live performance surfaces. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 13:57:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UHtI407728; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:55:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.170.179] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <001a01c36e70$f1925f00$6e61f93f@global> <002801c36ee1$8637b2c0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:55:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C36EE5.2ABDBDF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:55:04 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 17:55:11.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBD05A00:01C36F1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C36EE5.2ABDBDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Drummers are harder to deal with in this respect, as they are used to = being >the band metronome, but I've even met kit players who can follow a = loop... With my band, I feel we've made a transformation over the course of a = year or so, from the point of realizing that a purely intuitive approach = would not quite work in situations where the loop, once established, = needs to direct the tempo (but fails). The change (gradual, required = lots of practice, argument, frustration) had more to do with conscious = realization as to where each band member directs their mental focus for = obtaining the pulse. Normally, this is the drummer (for all, including = the drummer) - and it was only logical to expect the drummer to have the = most difficulty in tuning into an extraneous source for tempo - AND do = this dynamically, I.e., only at the when such a tempo-dictating loop is = in fact running. Over a year or so, we feel we have it at the point that this focus = switching occurs quite naturally, and moreover start becoming somewhat = successful at playing to the loop in such a way that it sounds natural = (by pulling/pushing on the rhythm and tempo deliberately) rather than = slavishly and robotically obey its dictated pulse. It's exciting to play = with the idea that there's an infinite number of ways to be 'in lock' = with a loop (the results varying from awful to quite wonderful) I guess my point is, our choice has been to spend significant time and = effort in learning how to play to tempo-fixed loops, rather than invest = effort and technology into how to manipulate them on the fly into = submission to our own, imperfect time. In conjunction with this we made = the choice to not 'can', but always establish the loop live - in this = way, we have a natural initial tempo upon which the loop is built, and = are able to keep things a little more dynamic and risky than with a = canned loop. The hardest are loops established for a limited amount of time at the = beginning of a song, that only reappear much later in the song again. = Once you're 'unlocked', it's amazing how much one (or all, if in a band) = can drift while in the conviction that you're not. I imagine we'll have = that down one day, too. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Lawson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 3:28 AM Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=3Dnew results >>>"If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop. "<<< So why try? why not adjust the musicians? When it comes to playing = along with Loops, some people 'get it', some people don't. If you have a = listen to my duo CD with Jez Carr - 'Conversations', he clearly 'gets it' = dispite never having done any looping at that point himself. He just = understands that the establishment of the rhythmic framework is down to the = looper. The alternative is to use loops that don't require other people to be = in time with it - I quite often put down loops of all kinds in group = situations that even if they are rhythmic, aren't dependent on other following = the same rhythm. That's a tricky one to explain, but it works. At the risk of = turning this into a plug for my CDs, my next album is a duet CD with Theo = Travis, a looping sax/flautist, and we're quite often both using fairly rhythmic unsync'd loops without any sense of them being 'out of time'. I had a gig last weekend with a keyboardist call Patrick Wood who = likewise was great at hearing where a particular loop was going, what it = implied or didn't about the rhythm of the piece and responded accordingly. As a = result, we had a great gig! :o) Drummers are harder to deal with in this respect, as they are used to = being the band metronome, but I've even met kit players who can follow a = loop... BTW - at the gig with Patrick, it was very nice to meet up with David Swain - it's always fun to put a face to a LD personality! :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C36EE5.2ABDBDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Drummers are harder to deal with in this respect, as they are = used to=20 being
>the band metronome, but I've even met kit players who can = follow a=20 loop...
With my band, I feel we've made a transformation over the course of = a year=20 or so, from the point of realizing that a purely intuitive approach = would not=20 quite work in situations where the loop, once established, needs to = direct the=20 tempo (but fails). The change (gradual, required lots of practice, = argument,=20 frustration) had more to do with conscious realization as to where each = band=20 member directs their mental focus for obtaining the pulse. Normally, = this is the=20 drummer (for all, including the drummer) - and it was only logical to = expect the=20 drummer to have the most difficulty in tuning into an extraneous source = for=20 tempo - AND do this dynamically, I.e., only at the when such a = tempo-dictating=20 loop is in fact running.
 
Over a year or so, we feel we have it at the point that this focus=20 switching occurs quite naturally, and moreover start becoming somewhat=20 successful at playing to the loop in such a way that it sounds natural = (by=20 pulling/pushing on the rhythm and tempo deliberately) rather than = slavishly and=20 robotically obey its dictated pulse. It's exciting to play with the idea = that=20 there's an infinite number of ways to be 'in lock' with a loop (the = results=20 varying from awful to quite wonderful)
 
I guess my point is, our choice has been to spend significant time = and=20 effort in learning how to play to tempo-fixed loops, rather than invest = effort=20 and technology into how to manipulate them on the fly into submission to = our=20 own, imperfect time. In conjunction with this we made the choice to not = 'can',=20 but always establish the loop live - in this way, we have a natural = initial=20 tempo upon which the loop is built, and are able to keep things a little = more=20 dynamic and risky than with a canned loop.
 
The hardest are loops established for a limited amount of time at = the=20 beginning of a song, that only reappear much later in the song again. = Once=20 you're 'unlocked', it's amazing how much one (or all, if in a band) can = drift=20 while in the conviction that you're not. I imagine we'll have that down = one day,=20 too.
 
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Lawson
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 = 3:28=20 AM
Subject: Re: Looping with other = musicians, new tools=3Dnew results

>>>"If you're playing with other musicians, = and the=20 collective tempo
shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with=20 tempo-dependent
information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" = the=20 loop. "<<<

So why try? why not adjust the musicians? = When it=20 comes to playing along
with Loops, some people 'get it', some = people don't.=20 If you have a listen to
my duo CD with Jez Carr - 'Conversations', = he=20 clearly 'gets it' dispite
never having done any looping at that = point=20 himself. He just understands
that the establishment of the rhythmic = framework is down to the looper.

The alternative is to use = loops that=20 don't require other people to be in
time with it - I quite often = put down=20 loops of all kinds in group situations
that even if they are = rhythmic,=20 aren't dependent on other following the same
rhythm. That's a = tricky one to=20 explain, but it works. At the risk of turning
this into a plug for = my CDs,=20 my next album is a duet CD with Theo Travis, a
looping = sax/flautist, and=20 we're quite often both using fairly rhythmic
unsync'd loops without = any=20 sense of them being 'out of time'.

I had a gig last weekend = with a=20 keyboardist call Patrick Wood who likewise
was great at hearing = where a=20 particular loop was going, what it implied or
didn't about the = rhythm of=20 the piece and responded accordingly. As a result,
we had a great = gig!=20 :o)

Drummers are harder to deal with in this respect, as they = are used=20 to being
the band metronome, but I've even met kit players who can = follow a=20 loop...

BTW - at the gig with Patrick, it was very nice to meet = up with=20 David
Swain - it's always fun to put a face to a LD personality!=20 :o)

cheers

Steve
www.stevelawson.net


------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C36EE5.2ABDBDF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 13:57:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UHuaD08046; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:56:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:56:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:56:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002401c36ec3$81e4a7f0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Message-Id: <4B5062D2-DB13-11D7-BC0C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_VlFWD.A.h9B.UVOU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree that there isn't any shame in putting in a sample every now and then and even less if you are the one who made the sample in the first place. The public knows about the technology and I don't think they care at all. However, I do think that what Culture Club did is pretty reprehensible only because they obviously set out to fool the audience. When I do one of my DJ/Live production sets (not that I actually have in public yet...) no one would wonder if my drummer was playing or it was a drum machine or a sampler. There's no drummer there. No one would question as to whether or not Bruce Campbell is speaking some of his lines from Evil Dead, because that would be silly. I'm not even wearing an instrument at all, so right off the bat I'm not advertising an instrumental music show. The Culture Club obviously was. So one might say, "A difference which makes no difference is no difference." but I think it further erodes the role of live music/musician in our culture. I heard a story where a bass player was asked to sit in for a Cher concert on keyboards. He wasn't really a keyboard player but they had no other choice so he did it when he found that the show was prerecorded. Cher and Culture Club have probably never been about the music anyway, but this kind of attitude is what keeps real musicians out of jobs. If this happens enough why bother to ever hire musicians? Why not just show a video? Anyway, it's probably pointless to discuss, as it is what has happened/is happening to our culture and the only thing we can do is hope to bring something to a performance that Culture Club karaoke doesn't. Since I started playing guitar in 1978 I've seen huge changes in how small clubs regard bands. Welcome to the age of the DJ. Since what I play fits the IDM/Rave culture that ends up where many of my shows happen After years of seeing DJs getting exactly the same response that I was getting, I realized it was pointless to fight. Mostly because of the initial reaction to me before I even played. I'd see the promoter kind of cringe when they saw me coming in with racks of gear and a 20 min setup time. They're used to a DJ coming in with a crate of vinyl or CDs and just going for it. I'm not crying about this, I'm just pointing out my observations. I hear a lot of us complain that we can't make a decent living doing music and these are all factors that make our reality. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 11:54 PM, Will Brake wrote: > Many of the 'live' acts I've worked with this summer used DAT or > sequenced bits to enhance their performance and, properly done, works > quite well. Doc Powell flew in from LA with his guitar and a Zip > drive, used the backline provided and hired local hotshots to read > charts. Keiko Matsui relied on her drummer to trigger a DAT as well. > Chris Botti's keyboardist used an old Akai sampler and zip drive for > some backing tracks and Alexander Zonjic's drummer, Danny Cox uses > Ddrum triggers and an MPC for sample triggering. > > In every case, there was a full band on stage, playing all of their > parts, so they were not relying on the 'samples' to provide the show. > We had a few discussions at Tuesday coffee about all this. Everyone > seems to agree that it is all about the music and leaving the audience > satisfied rather than feeling guilty about using a few backing bits. > > On the other hand, one local client that recently opened for Culture > Club, said their whole show was canned! The musicians played, but there > was only stage volume and their 'performance' did not reach the house. > With the exception of the vocals, they relied entirely on the DAT for > their show. This is certainly what we are trying to avoid, but I don't > a > single person in the audience knew. > > Ultimately, pleasing the people that sign the check is the underlying > factor. Spelled out, this is the club owner, promoter or the ticket > holding audience. If they leave at the end of the show feeling they > 'got > what they paid for', they just might have favorable comments about the > artist. This word of mouth advertising might help to fill the next > club/festival you play! > > We can climb the mountain and shout for artistic integrity or purism > and > that's ok too. If you sleep good at night, pleased the audience and got > paid, it really doesn't matter how you got there. Just remember to > avoid > felling that you've arrived! ;) > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > > -----Original Message----- > From: msottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 5:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops > > On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:49 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >> Anyone else have thoughts, opinions and/or experiences to share? >> Or does everyone here associate anything "canned" with Milli Vanilli >> and/or Karaoke? I guess some types of audiences would even consider >> looping as "cheating" in some way. I guess the line between "live" and >> "canned" loops has become blurry over the years and has largely >> ceased to matter to me at all. > > This is exactly the type of show that I've been formulating. So far > it's working out really well. Yesterday I received my M-audio USB > audio interface and I was happily surprised to find a version of Live > included! It's a truncated version of 1.5, but as far as I can tell it > will act *exactly* like I intend it to. > > One of the biggest reasons for me to do this was a size/setup time > issue, but I'm also finding that this type of "Live Production" is > really fun and allows me to make music that I couldn't make using my > old setup. Frankly, the whole idea of "live looping" is great... to > us. However, to the audience they could care less. All they want is a > good show and interesting music. They could care less about how you > get there. > > I'm still in the beginning phases of this Looper/DJ setup, but the > first steps show a lot of promise. While the Repeater was the tool I > used to make the loops, it's not what's playing the loops back. Live > synced to the E-MU Command Station is taking care of that. I can play > all I want using the Command Stations Pads or a small midi keyboard so > I don't feel like I'm not getting a chance to add harmonic content to > the music. A Numark Axis 9 CD player let's me scratch and mutilate > samples to my hearts content. Over all I have not felt like I missed > my old setup at all and I can now easily compete with DJs in terms of > setup times and production value. I can't wait to hear your new CD > Ted! I still love the old one! > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 14:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UI6lc15057; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: The Spirit of Live Music Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:36:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c36f1d$3d87f1c0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00f701c36f17$c5f36720$6401a8c0@p4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >-----Original Message----- >From: David Swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk] >Personally i have nothing against 'canned loops', it all depends how and >why there are being used. >A loop show is a different thing (IMHO) to a 'non-loop show' (for what of a >better term), at a 'loop show' i expect to see he loops being recorded, >built up, modified - whatever. That is part of the point and attraction >!!!! "Part of the point and attraction" ??? - What about just MUSIC being the point and attraction? At the risk of starting another, what is loop music thread - Why does a "loop" show have to be about somebody putting the loops together - and does the audience really need to be aware of this? If I were not a musician that incorporates loops into my performances, and I went to a show to see somebody like Rick Walker I don't think I would be concerned with what you call the attraction to a "loop show" - I would be going to the show to listen to some fine MUSIC. My foggy point is - A "loop show" is the same thing as a "non loop" show: it's all music, performed by musicians. I hope I didn't just create a new monster on LD :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 14:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UI6lv15082; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex input problems Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:45:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c36f1e$918ee930$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <11ZRED.A.irD.3eOU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try resetting your threshold. This happened to me once and setting or removing the threshold helped. :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] :::Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 10:43 AM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Echoplex input problems ::: :::If only... ::: :::Coffee and breakfast didn't seem to help. If the tea is really important, :::I :::can go try tea. ::: :::Mark ::: :::on 8/30/03 9:56 AM, David at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: ::: :::> Turn it off -- have a cup of tea -- try again later... This procedure :::has :::> helped me many times.. :::> :::> ----- Original Message ----- :::> From: "Mark Hamburg" :::> To: "Looper's Delight" :::> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:44 PM :::> Subject: Echoplex input problems :::> :::> :::>> My EDP is giving me trouble this morning. :::>> :::>> The input level light responds, signal passes through, but nothing :::seems :::> to :::>> be getting into the loop. The feedback light doesn't glow, threshold :::>> recording doesn't respond. :::>> :::>> Any ideas? :::>> :::>> Mark :::>> :::> :::> ::: ::: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 14:26:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UIP9B18697; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:25:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200308301749.h7UHnQM06770@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <476FFB85-DB17-11D7-801B-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7UIP8W18673 Resent-Message-ID: <5zhoT.A.AkE.EwOU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 10:49 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > In regards to time, sync and drummers: Since when is it the drummer’s > or bassist’s responsibility to keep time/tempo for others? Like the idea of everyone tuning to a common referent, no-one knows when it started, but it sure caught on real quick. That's why we have terms like "the rhythm section". > One thing I stress in bands for which I play (and usually in a role of > MD), as well as to my students, is that it is NOT the role of the > rhythm section to “keep” time and/or tempo for the other players. > That is an individual responsibility of each player, and if you cannot > manage this elementary discipline then you are really not ready to > “play”. That's one school of thought. The other school of thought (that the drummer has the primary [not sole] responsibility of keeping time for the rest of the band) has many more adherents, at least in North America. Neither school is more right than the other, but adherents of one philosophy often have trouble playing with the other. I'd say if you can't follow the "rhythm section", then you're not ready to play. For me, I'd show the door to a drummer that espoused the "Bruford-esque" line of thinking. Including probably, Bill Bruford. I prefer to play with musicians who make my job easier (because it's hard enough already) rather than harder. I try to be real upfront about this early on in the process. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 14:33:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UIV2b19925; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:31:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:31:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013601c36f24$d907d1e0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <000501c36f1d$3d87f1c0$01b52b04@purgatory> Subject: Re: The Spirit of Live Music Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:30:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0133_01C36F2D.3AA15950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 18:31:00.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCC17E80:01C36F24] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C36F2D.3AA15950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heheheh i hope this isn't another monster..... Obviously the music is the important thing - that is what i was trying = to get across, but if i saw something advertised as a 'loop show' i = would expect to see the looping done, sorry if i was unclear on this. I = agree with you it doesn't have to be obvious, maybe it the 'technical' = side of my brain kicking in .......... I was always one of those kids = that had to get my toys in peices to see how it worked, i guess some = things never change. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: RE: The Spirit of Live Music > >-----Original Message----- > >From: David Swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk]=20 >=20 > >Personally i have nothing against 'canned loops', it all depends how > and >why there are being used. > >A loop show is a different thing (IMHO) to a 'non-loop show' (for = what > of a >better term), at a 'loop show' i expect to see he loops being > recorded, >built up, modified - whatever. That is part of the point = and > attraction >!!!! >=20 > "Part of the point and attraction" ??? - What about just MUSIC being > the point and attraction? >=20 > At the risk of starting another, what is loop music thread - Why does = a > "loop" show have to be about somebody putting the loops together - and > does the audience really need to be aware of this? >=20 > If I were not a musician that incorporates loops into my performances, > and I went to a show to see somebody like Rick Walker I don't think I > would be concerned with what you call the attraction to a "loop show" = - > I would be going to the show to listen to some fine MUSIC. >=20 > My foggy point is - A "loop show" is the same thing as a "non loop" > show: it's all music, performed by musicians. >=20 > I hope I didn't just create a new monster on LD :) >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C36F2D.3AA15950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Heheheh i hope this isn't another=20 monster.....
 
Obviously the music is the important = thing - that=20 is what i was trying to get across, but if i saw something advertised as = a 'loop=20 show' i would expect to see the looping done, sorry if i = was unclear on=20 this. I agree with you it doesn't have to be obvious, maybe it the = 'technical'=20 side of my brain kicking in .......... I was always one of those kids = that had=20 to get my toys in peices to see how it worked, i guess some things never = change.
 
 
 
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To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:36=20 PM
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: David = Swain=20 [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk]
>
> >Personally i = have=20 nothing against 'canned loops', it all depends how
> and >why = there are=20 being used.
> >A loop show is a different thing (IMHO) to a = 'non-loop=20 show' (for what
> of a >better term), at a 'loop show' i expect = to see=20 he loops being
> recorded, >built up, modified - whatever. That = is part=20 of the point and
> attraction >!!!!
>
> "Part of = the point=20 and attraction" ???  - What about just MUSIC being
> the = point and=20 attraction?
>
> At the risk of starting another, what is = loop music=20 thread - Why does a
> "loop" show have to be about somebody = putting the=20 loops together - and
> does the audience really need to be aware = of=20 this?
>
> If I were not a musician that incorporates loops = into my=20 performances,
> and I went to a show to see somebody like Rick = Walker I=20 don't think I
> would be concerned with what you call the = attraction to a=20 "loop show" -
> I would be going to the show to listen to some = fine=20 MUSIC.
>
> My foggy point is - A "loop show" is the same = thing as a=20 "non loop"
> show: it's all music, performed by musicians.
> =
> I hope I didn't just create a new monster on LD :)
> =
>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C36F2D.3AA15950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 14:55:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UIrcm23573; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c36f27$f7034460$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000501c36f1d$3d87f1c0$01b52b04@purgatory> Subject: Re: The Spirit of Live Music Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:53:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>At the risk of starting another, what is loop music thread - Why does a "loop" show have to be about somebody putting the loops together - and does the audience really need to be aware of this?<< Need? of course not. there's no 'need' involved in any of this. there are laws of likely cause and effect at work though, and knowing something of your audience and the way they think is going to help you should you choose to take any notice of their opinions and reactions to what you do. Ultimately, it's obviously all about music. But we're turned on by different things. I doubt there's anyone here who hasn't encountered particular music in a particular setting and not liked it, only for it to become a fave when the context was right. That's certainly true for me. I've also got albums that didn't work because they didn't fit my expectations, but when I adjusted those, I loved 'em (Dancing in the Dragon's Jaws by the wonderful Bruce Cockburn springs to mind - was expecting something that sounded like James Taylor, didn't get that, was initially dissappointed, but later fell in love with it). So in once sense the term 'loop show' shouldn't actually exist. Except that people are drawn to it in some contexts, so it works. As a musician who uses looping, I like seeing what other people do with it, so it's another point they've scored towards getting me along to the gig. backing tracks have no such mystique, and so score minus points. If the music's good enough I don't care (Peter Gabriel, Squarepusher etc.) but a live looping show is going to get an initially more favourable reaction and doesn't have to earn my attendance by my being exposed to years of God-like genius ala the two examples given above... Ultimately, rubbish music that features looping won't last as long in my player as programmed stuff that's musically wonderful. Live looping at a gig won't turn me into a fan, but it might get me along to the show to listen in the first place... Where's this going? ah yes, a 'looping show' - I guess such a billing and what's expected depends on whether it's advertised as such (like Rick and his fantastic looping festivals) or not (me opening for Level 42) - what 'should' it contain? isnt' that the wrong way round? shouldn't we listen to the music and then make the call on how it should be described? So, if someone emailed me saying 'I do this live looping thing, it's really cool, you should come to my gig' and when I got there it was them with a load of backing tracks and a DL4 doing the occasional repeat, I'd be a bit disappointed, and they'd have to work harder to win me round, as my dispensation towards them would have gone from positive to negative... The lesson? be careful how much hyperbole you use in promoting what you do on any level. Getting people to your gig is one thing - that's where 'looping festival' names and stuff are great - but if the music is a pile of gnu faeces, your big-up-yourself promo methods are going to work against you, and against anyone else using the same route for promotion. So tread carefully, and make sure you spend at least 5 times as long practicing for the gig as you do preparing the press release and posters. As I always tell my students - being a good player will never get you a gig, but it will keep you the gig when you get it. this is the opposite. Billing yourself as a looping musician won't make people like what you do, but it cause people who are drawn in by the title to check out your sounds, and hopefully then your great choons will ensnare them for life. Just be careful not to pidgeonhole yourself too tightly. I'm very glad whenever I get an email from someone saying 'normally I can't stand solo bass stuff, but I like what you do' - not just because I've managed to not sound like the legions of slap happy NAMM muppets, but also because I've managed to find a marketing route that has caused someone who expressly doesn't like solo bass to listen to what I do - Success!! phew! Steve www.stevelawson.net (gig details, news, MP3s, paypal CD orders etc.) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 14:57:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UItNp23966; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:55:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:55:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Violin loopers? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:55:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36F28.42A17B80" Resent-Message-ID: <04_a_D.A.V2F.bMPU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36F28.42A17B80 Content-Type: text/plain Can anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just violin)? My sister just got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping with her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way of violin (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter). Any suggestions? Thanks, Don Makoviney ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36F28.42A17B80 Content-Type: text/html Message
Can anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just violin)?
 
My sister just got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping with her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way of violin (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter).
 
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks,
 
Don Makoviney
------_=_NextPart_001_01C36F28.42A17B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 15:01:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UIvvO25095; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:57:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:57:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:57:55 -0700 Subject: Re: The Spirit of Live Music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000501c36f1d$3d87f1c0$01b52b04@purgatory> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 10:36 AM, | SquidLoop | wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk] > >> Personally i have nothing against 'canned loops', it all depends >> howand >why there are being used. A loop show is a different thing >> (IMHO) to a 'non-loop show' (for whatof a >better term), at a 'loop >> show' i expect to see he loops being recorded, >built up, modified - >> whatever. That is part of the point and attraction >!!!! > > "Part of the point and attraction" ??? - What about just MUSIC being > the point and attraction? EXACTLY! I hate to say it, but almost every *loopfest* show I've been to is for loopers. While I love the build up and construction of the loop, it's because I'm a loop architect and I love to see someone else's loop work happening. However, but asking a lot of questions and trying to be sensitive to my audience I've come to the conclusion that most are actually bored and uninterested in our loop building. Note Amy X. She, by far, got the best reaction from the last loopfest I went to. If you've seen her show, she loops extensively with the EDP, however it's not improvised. She does build up loops but it's a carefully planned out part of her composition. As a result it happens quickly and suscinctly. The loop construction isn't the point, her composition is the point and it is excellent. I guess my point is that Amy X makes her shows about the music, not the loops. Once I had a conversation with Brian Kenny Fresno and told him about LD. He said, "It's not about the loops, it's just how I do my show. His focus is the same as Amy's. The music. > > I hope I didn't just create a new monster on LD :) > Of course you did! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 15:07:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UJ4Pb27830; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:04:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:04:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c36f2a$191ac440$66c1590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <200308291756.h7THueo02550@hemlock.violacea.com> <007e01c36ecf$36560ac0$ce64f93f@global> Subject: Re: ex-Jamman blowout (was 'Cranky Kim' thread) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:08:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-Fq-MB.A.syG.4UPU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick wrote: > I bought three Jammans (which I changed immediately to > Jampersons with a little graphic computer > manipulation...........................oh, I can > just hear the poor east coast loopers moaning over > this flaky, PC, west coast behaviour) Cino replies (in jest): Well this poor East Coast looper is not so much disturbed by the political correctness [and is it really PC to assume that we poor benighted East Coast folk are such ogres? ;-) ] as by the British (Canadian, Australian, etc.) spelling of "behavior." Since when has the People's Republic of Santa Cruz reverted to this outdated orthography? I thought we threw off the shackles of those extra "u"-s ("colour," "favour," "flavour") after Bunker Hill and Valley Forge! Next thing you know you'll be discussing how to "harmonise" a melodic loop! :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 15:16:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UJFPU29705; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:15:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:14:05 -0700 Subject: Re: The Spirit of Live Music From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I think Live Looping keeps you honest! > Gary dude-yeah s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 15:33:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UJXBw32371; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:33:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:33:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:33:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Echoplex input problems From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c36f1e$918ee930$01b52b04@purgatory> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/30/03 10:45 AM, | SquidLoop | at squidloop@thetentacle.org wrote: > Try resetting your threshold. This happened to me once and setting or > removing the threshold helped. Tried that. I did a full parameter reset. I've also forced recording on with no threshold. No sound makes it way into the loop. Actually, I got a click in the loop once which I used to confirm that everything after the input stage seems to be alive. Am I looking at an A/D problem? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 16:15:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UKEMm05061; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:14:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:14:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F51043B.7070601@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:08:27 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Violin loopers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The newest Bruce Cockburn album (You've Never Seen Everything) features a violin player who is credited with loops as well. They're pretty obvious if not in the front of the mix. Probably not exactly what she's after but maybe. The song All Our Dark Tomorrows stands out as it ends on a loop. Kevin Don Makoviney wrote: > Can anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just violin)? > > > My sister just got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to > looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping > with her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way > of violin (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter). > > Any suggestions? > -- How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 16:15:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UJfWT01806; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:41:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:41:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Violin loopers? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:41:22 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <006401c36f2e$b1b9d2f0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01C36F3F.7542A2F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C36F3F.7542A2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From a posting by Todd Reynolds ealier today: http://www.toddreynolds.com/ http://www.toddreynolds.com/emusic/hardcore.mp3 Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:55 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Violin loopers? Can anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just violin)? My sister just got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping with her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way of violin (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter). Any suggestions? Thanks, Don Makoviney ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C36F3F.7542A2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
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Best wishes

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Can anyone=20 recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just=20 violin)?
 
My = sister just=20 got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to looping. She = would=20 like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping with her violin. = She found=20 plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way of violin (4 or 5 = stringers. ..=20 . . .it doesn't matter).
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C36F3F.7542A2F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 16:15:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UK4sc04569; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:04:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:04:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4B5062D2-DB13-11D7-BC0C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <4B5062D2-DB13-11D7-BC0C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:00:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I agree that there isn't any shame in putting in a sample every now >and then and even less if you are the one who made the sample in the >first place. The public knows about the technology and I don't >think they care at all. However, I do think that what Culture Club >did is pretty reprehensible What'd Culture Club do? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 16:18:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UKH8X05994; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:17:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:52:27 -0400 Subject: Which unit for getting into looping ? From: Borhane Blili Hamelin To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which unit would you suggest for getting into loops ? I'm a guitar player, and I'd like to use loops for combining multiple parts live ( So it's more about recording and playing over/with multiple parts than running a 20 second loop ala frippertronics...) I'm looking for sub 300$, both used or new. ( don't really care..) Any tip ??? 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 16:50:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UKhre08664; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:43:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:43:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030830204347.59003.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Violin loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are a few... (viola, but so what?) -t- --- Don Makoviney wrote: > Can anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello > or viola - just violin)? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 17:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UKweo10369; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:58:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c36f35$30dac7a0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3F51043B.7070601@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Violin loopers? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:27:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The newest Bruce Cockburn album (You've Never Seen Everything) features > a violin player who is credited with loops as well. They're pretty > obvious if not in the front of the mix. Probably not exactly what she's > after but maybe. The song All Our Dark Tomorrows stands out as it ends > on a loop. > > Kevin Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any electric violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of Bruce's 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of Bruce's albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) Fiddle loopers - Ed Allyne Johnson (sp?) - did two great CDs called 'Purple Electric Violin Concerto' and 'Ultraviolet' - fanastic all live looping/delay fiddling. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 17:07:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UL5LO12593; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Show is the Spirit of Live Music Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:59:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <013601c36f24$d907d1e0$6401a8c0@p4> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Swain if i saw something advertised as a 'loop show' i would expect to see the looping done, sorry if i was unclear on this. I agree with you it doesn't have to be obvious, maybe it the 'technical' side of my brain kicking in .......... I was always one of those kids that had to get my toys in peices to see how it worked, i guess some things never change. [Clayton Gary Lehmann] People listen with their eyes--I bet even blind people do this, they aim their face toward the sound. Give em' a show--but don't hurt yourself. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 17:21:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ULK9P14627; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017301c36f3c$794a76f0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: Subject: Re: Show is the Spirit of Live Music Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:20:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 21:20:07.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CB1E4E0:01C36F3C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well personally i don't think i do give a show (or if i do it is unconscious), most of the gigs i have been to that people have complained about it is because the bass player is jumping up or down and the singer isn't smiling - this saddens me the performance of the band (in musical terms) is often uncommented on. I like to think of music venues being auditoriums (aural = to hear) then spectator stands.........but i do like to see how things are done - just part of my personality i suppose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Show is the Spirit of Live Music > David Swain > > if i saw something advertised as a 'loop show' i would expect to see the > looping done, sorry if i was unclear on this. I agree with you it doesn't > have to be obvious, maybe it the 'technical' side of my brain kicking in > .......... I was always one of those kids that had to get my toys in peices > to see how it worked, i guess some things never change. > [Clayton Gary Lehmann] > People listen with their eyes--I bet even blind people do this, they aim > their face toward the sound. > Give em' a show--but don't hurt yourself. > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 17:57:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ULtDr20547; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F511C0E.7C585B0B@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:50:07 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Todd Reynolds' "Hardcore Oceanography" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8_Q4B.A.5AF.A1RU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com todd reynolds wrote: > It can be found on my site, http://www.toddreynolds.com > Or for a more direct link, http://www.toddreynolds.com/emusic/hardcore.mp3 Fan-tucking-fastic track! Go download this one, folks - brilliant brilliant brilliant. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:00:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7ULw2J21202; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:58:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:58:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F511CB8.54FDB20D@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:52:56 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Steve Lawson MP3 References: <006701c36efd$520d7220$e0154ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Lawson wrote: > just added an MP3 from my forthcoming duet CD with looping sax/flautist Theo > Travis - it's in the MP3 section of my site - www.stevelawson.net/home.htm > > have a listen, and let me know what you think! Pink Floyd covers the "Shaft" soundtrack with Wayne Shorter guest-starring... Very nice as per usual, Mr. Lawson! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:06:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UM3qO23638; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:03:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:03:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:43:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Violin loopers? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3145106638_3830940" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3145106638_3830940 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I would humbly submit some mp3=B9s on my site... http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html Try beginner=B9s mind and walkin=B9 for starters. Also I have an mp3.com site. Search for todd reynolds. All best, Todd On 8/30/03 2:55 PM, "Don Makoviney" wrote: > Can anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just violi= n)? > =20 > My sister just got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to > looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping wi= th > her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way of vi= olin > (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter). > =20 > Any suggestions? > =20 > Thanks, > =20 > Don Makoviney >=20 --B_3145106638_3830940 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Violin loopers? I would humbly submit some mp3’s on my site...
http://www.toddreynolds.com/music.html

Try beginner’s mind and walkin’ for starters.

Also I have an mp3.com site.  Search for todd reynolds.

All best,

Todd

On 8/30/03 2:55 PM, "Don Makoviney" <don.makoviney@asg.com>= wrote:

Can anyone recommend= some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just violin)?
My sister just got an electric violin and I have been introd= ucing her to looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on = looping with her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much in the= way of violin (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter).
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Don Makoviney


 --B_3145106638_3830940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:08:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UM5v524131; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:05:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:05:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Violin loopers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002801c36f35$30dac7a0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Message-Id: <0C72AEC1-DB36-11D7-8E86-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If we're expanding to just electric violinists, how about Jean Luc Ponty. http://www.ponty.com/ On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 01:27 PM, Steve Lawson wrote: >> The newest Bruce Cockburn album (You've Never Seen Everything) >> features >> a violin player who is credited with loops as well. They're pretty >> obvious if not in the front of the mix. Probably not exactly what >> she's >> after but maybe. The song All Our Dark Tomorrows stands out as it >> ends >> on a loop. >> >> Kevin > > Hugh Marsh, the violinist in question is VITAL listening for any > electric > violinist, looping or no looping. He's fantastic - check out any of > Bruce's > 80s albums for lots of Hugh's work. (in fact, just check out any of > Bruce's > albums because they are amazing, forget about instrumentation... :o) > > Fiddle loopers - Ed Allyne Johnson (sp?) - did two great CDs called > 'Purple > Electric Violin Concerto' and 'Ultraviolet' - fanastic all live > looping/delay fiddling. > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:12:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMAbf25022; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:10:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Violin loopers? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-222372566 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200308302021.h7UKLX707011@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-10-222372566 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Stuart Wyatt's really good: http://www.solostring.com/about.shtml TravisH On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 01:21 PM,=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Violin loopers? > > > Can anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just=20 > violin)? > =A0 > My sister just got an electric violin and I have been introducing her=20= > to looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on=20 > looping with her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much=20= > in the way of violin (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter). > =A0 > Any suggestions? > =A0 > Thanks, --Apple-Mail-10-222372566 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Stuart Wyatt's really good: http://www.solostring.com/about.shtml TravisH On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 01:21 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: Subject: Violin loopers? VerdanaCan anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just = violin)? =A0 VerdanaMy sister just got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping with her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way of violin (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter). =A0 VerdanaAny = suggestions? =A0 = VerdanaThanks, = --Apple-Mail-10-222372566-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:16:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMEHm25750; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:14:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:14:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Currently available looper music webpage From: Greg Kucharo To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <435CCCBC-DB37-11D7-8E86-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been thinking of putting up a centralized website that points to everyone's currently available CD's and online music. Posting it to the list is great, but it probably gets lost in the noise and folks have to troll the archives to find stuff. The LD website has everyone's profiles and the archives, but having to pick through all that for downloads/purchase is tough. Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to point at promotional device? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:21:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMJhw26647; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:19:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:19:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019301c36f44$cbb82c90$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <435CCCBC-DB37-11D7-8E86-000A95864C54@mac.com> Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:19:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 22:19:42.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF4E2490:01C36F44] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent idea ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kucharo" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:14 PM Subject: Currently available looper music webpage > I've been thinking of putting up a centralized website that points to > everyone's currently available CD's and online music. Posting it to the > list is great, but it probably gets lost in the noise and folks have to > troll the archives to find stuff. The LD website has everyone's > profiles and the archives, but having to pick through all that for > downloads/purchase is tough. > > Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to > point at promotional device? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:39:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMbbw29039; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:37:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:37:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F5125FE.D6B1CADE@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:32:30 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage References: <435CCCBC-DB37-11D7-8E86-000A95864C54@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Greg! This is a very cool idea, although I could see it becoming very difficult to manage due to the sheer number of people with music available. If you (or anyone) were to set this up, I'd suggest making several "filters" available, to help narrow down the path. In other words, offer several different searchable categories/keywords for people to select, so that visitors have ways of sorting through the hundreds or thousands of different discs/sound files that would be listed. Some of these might include: - Search by style/genres (ambient, hip-hop, glitch, pop, etc.) - Search by principal instrument used (guitar, violin, bass, voice, etc) - Search by princiapl looper used (Echoplex, DL4, Max/MSP, etc) - Search by "technical category" (i.e. "nothing prerecorded," "some prerecorded, some live," etc) - Search by "sounds like such-and-such artist" (i.e. someone puts in "Laurie Anderson" and gets Amy X Neuburg, "Bill Frissel" gets Steve Lawson, etc.) - Search by compositional approach ("free improv," "composed," etc.) - Search by year released These are all just suggestions, of course, but without some way to narrow the field, I think it'll be very hard to people to weed through the large amount of material there... Anyway, it's a very generous offer, Greg, and I'm sure anything along these lines will be very helpful and welcome... Best, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:41:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMdqE29525; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:39:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:39:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830153800.041ad278@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:42:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage In-Reply-To: <435CCCBC-DB37-11D7-8E86-000A95864C54@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com would you be interested in helping with the Looper's Delight site in this regard? If the profiles section where people already put their music URL's could be improved for easier navigation, maybe you can do the update for it? Or add some other section for the site if that's what is needed? I do this whole thing for you guys, but I really can't do it all by myself! kim At 03:14 PM 8/30/2003, Greg Kucharo wrote: > I've been thinking of putting up a centralized website that points to > everyone's currently available CD's and online music. Posting it to the > list is great, but it probably gets lost in the noise and folks have to > troll the archives to find stuff. The LD website has everyone's profiles > and the archives, but having to pick through all that for > downloads/purchase is tough. > >Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to point >at promotional device? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:43:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMffA30062; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:41:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:41:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ba01c36f47$dcf6d170$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <435CCCBC-DB37-11D7-8E86-000A95864C54@mac.com> <3F5125FE.D6B1CADE@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:41:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 22:41:39.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0A189F0:01C36F47] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even better ideas ! sounds kinda like cd baby (who has far too much of my cash :) ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage > Hi Greg! > > This is a very cool idea, although I could see it becoming very > difficult to manage due to the sheer number of people with music available. > > If you (or anyone) were to set this up, I'd suggest making several > "filters" available, to help narrow down the path. In other words, > offer several different searchable categories/keywords for people to > select, so that visitors have ways of sorting through the hundreds or > thousands of different discs/sound files that would be listed. > > Some of these might include: > > - Search by style/genres (ambient, hip-hop, glitch, pop, etc.) > - Search by principal instrument used (guitar, violin, bass, voice, etc) > - Search by princiapl looper used (Echoplex, DL4, Max/MSP, etc) > - Search by "technical category" (i.e. "nothing prerecorded," "some > prerecorded, some live," etc) > - Search by "sounds like such-and-such artist" (i.e. someone puts in > "Laurie Anderson" and gets Amy X Neuburg, "Bill Frissel" gets Steve > Lawson, etc.) > - Search by compositional approach ("free improv," "composed," etc.) > - Search by year released > > These are all just suggestions, of course, but without some way to > narrow the field, I think it'll be very hard to people to weed through > the large amount of material there... > > Anyway, it's a very generous offer, Greg, and I'm sure anything along > these lines will be very helpful and welcome... > > Best, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:47:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMjiU30943; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:45:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:45:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830154539.0384cbf0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:48:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new nirvana In-Reply-To: <3F4FD91F.9070204@rosewoodblues.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:52 PM 8/29/2003, Ken Hawkins wrote: >hi one and all i finally found all that i could on the EDP and picked one >up pedal and all for 830.00 new. they said that it was maxed out on memory >and i am not sure what they mean by that. i haven't seen anywhere online >about the memory expansion (if any) can some one who knows possibly elaborate? A long time ago, the Echoplex used to be sold with lower amounts of memory, and the user could upgrade it. For the past few years though, it has been sold new with the full memory in it so there is no need for users to bother anymore. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:48:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMkqP31272; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:46:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:46:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:46:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F5125FE.D6B1CADE@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, if I get a few more positives I will proceed with a very simple flat file type of site. As my time, or if someone else wants to chip in, i'll step up to a more sophisticated operation. Frankly just a central site seems a heck of allot better than what we have now. Also, what I had in mind is that everyone with material who wants on the list send me the appropriate URLs and a short, couple of sentences, of description. Maybe we could go with keywords for the descriptions so someone could search it with the browser, but I would hate to make folks pigeonhole themselves. -Greg On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 03:32 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hi Greg! > > This is a very cool idea, although I could see it becoming very > difficult to manage due to the sheer number of people with music > available. > > If you (or anyone) were to set this up, I'd suggest making several > "filters" available, to help narrow down the path. In other words, > offer several different searchable categories/keywords for people to > select, so that visitors have ways of sorting through the hundreds or > thousands of different discs/sound files that would be listed. > > Some of these might include: > > - Search by style/genres (ambient, hip-hop, glitch, pop, etc.) > - Search by principal instrument used (guitar, violin, bass, voice, > etc) > - Search by princiapl looper used (Echoplex, DL4, Max/MSP, etc) > - Search by "technical category" (i.e. "nothing prerecorded," "some > prerecorded, some live," etc) > - Search by "sounds like such-and-such artist" (i.e. someone puts in > "Laurie Anderson" and gets Amy X Neuburg, "Bill Frissel" gets Steve > Lawson, etc.) > - Search by compositional approach ("free improv," "composed," etc.) > - Search by year released > > These are all just suggestions, of course, but without some way to > narrow the field, I think it'll be very hard to people to weed through > the large amount of material there... > > Anyway, it's a very generous offer, Greg, and I'm sure anything along > these lines will be very helpful and welcome... > > Best, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:54:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMrEU32483; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:53:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:53:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830153800.041ad278@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6MV5KC.A.b7H.arSU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just going to put it up on my Mac.com site, but having it at the LD site would obviously be better. Let me get the list together first, then we can decide where an appropriate place for it is. I imagined that having people send me their URLs would guarantee that the info is current, rather than cull info from the profiles. On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 03:42 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > would you be interested in helping with the Looper's Delight site in > this regard? If the profiles section where people already put their > music URL's could be improved for easier navigation, maybe you can do > the update for it? Or add some other section for the site if that's > what is needed? > > I do this whole thing for you guys, but I really can't do it all by > myself! > > kim > > At 03:14 PM 8/30/2003, Greg Kucharo wrote: >> I've been thinking of putting up a centralized website that points >> to everyone's currently available CD's and online music. Posting it >> to the list is great, but it probably gets lost in the noise and >> folks have to troll the archives to find stuff. The LD website has >> everyone's profiles and the archives, but having to pick through all >> that for downloads/purchase is tough. >> >> Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to >> point at promotional device? > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 18:59:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UMwAh01080; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.80.72 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Violin loopers? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:57:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c36f4a$0ed1cf40$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C36F28.87C02F40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C36F28.87C02F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stuart Wyatt is a repeater user http://www.solostring.com=20 =20 Chris Payne Is a new EDP user http://www.c2cstudios.com/ =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:55 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Violin loopers? Can anyone recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just = violin)? =20 My sister just got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to looping. She would like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping = with her violin. She found plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way of violin (4 or 5 stringers. .. . . .it doesn't matter). =20 Any suggestions? =20 Thanks, =20 Don Makoviney ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C36F28.87C02F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Stuart=20 Wyatt is a repeater user
http://www.solostring.com=20
 
Chris=20 Payne Is a new EDP user
http://www.c2cstudios.com/=
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don = Makoviney=20 [mailto:don.makoviney@asg.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 30, = 2003 2:55=20 PM
To: = 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject:=20 Violin loopers?

Can anyone=20 recommend some violin loopers (not cello or viola - just=20 violin)?
 
My = sister just=20 got an electric violin and I have been introducing her to looping. She = would=20 like a few MP3's to help her get a grasp on looping with her violin. = She found=20 plenty of cello ones, but not much in the way of violin (4 or 5 = stringers. ..=20 . . .it doesn't matter).
 
Any=20 suggestions?
 
Thanks,
 
Don=20 Makoviney
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C36F28.87C02F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 19:02:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UN0fD03162; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830155440.03ad7228@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:03:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Roland sp-303 as a loop/sample/drumbox station... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:44 PM 8/29/2003, Borhane Blili Hamelin wrote: >Lots of people talk about the boss rc-20 as a cheaper alternative to a >looping station. I'm not sure what you mean, the rc-20 is called the "loop station" by boss.... >What about the SP-303 ? that is a sampler, not a looper. They are different things. >I have absolutely no knowledge as >far as looping goes, so that's why I'm asking, but wouldn't it be a better >choice ? It depends on if you want a sampler or a looper. You can't record a loop on the sp-303 and have it start looping in realtime, and you can't overdub new material onto a loop when it is playing. That's why it is not a looper at all, and if you want looping this box is useless for you. On the other hand, if you want a sampler/sequencer, it may be what you want. >If I'm not mistaken, it can be midi controlled : does this mean it >can be triggered solely from a midi controller pedal ? I don't know many specific details about the sp-303 since I mostly pay attention to loopers. If it can be controlled by midi you should be able to control it from a midi pedal. You would need a good pedal though, not a bad one that only sends program change like many of them out there. >If so is there any >drawback to using such a unit instead of a headrush/rc-20 type unit ??? if you want a looper, check the info on loopers at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html >I wanna get into looping, and this thing seems to go far beyond that ( with >drumbeeats and such.) It doesn't go beyond it. It doesn't do looping at all! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 19:06:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UN4Kb04145; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:04:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c36f4b$8c06ebc0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <435CCCBC-DB37-11D7-8E86-000A95864C54@mac.com> <3F5125FE.D6B1CADE@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:07:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [68.163.169.35] at Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:04:12 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <6wsNAB.A.oAB.01SU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course one can also just use FIND on the Edit menu and search a page for words that way.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage > Hi Greg! > > This is a very cool idea, although I could see it becoming very > difficult to manage due to the sheer number of people with music available. > > If you (or anyone) were to set this up, I'd suggest making several > "filters" available, to help narrow down the path. In other words, > offer several different searchable categories/keywords for people to > select, so that visitors have ways of sorting through the hundreds or > thousands of different discs/sound files that would be listed. > > Some of these might include: > > - Search by style/genres (ambient, hip-hop, glitch, pop, etc.) > - Search by principal instrument used (guitar, violin, bass, voice, etc) > - Search by princiapl looper used (Echoplex, DL4, Max/MSP, etc) > - Search by "technical category" (i.e. "nothing prerecorded," "some > prerecorded, some live," etc) > - Search by "sounds like such-and-such artist" (i.e. someone puts in > "Laurie Anderson" and gets Amy X Neuburg, "Bill Frissel" gets Steve > Lawson, etc.) > - Search by compositional approach ("free improv," "composed," etc.) > - Search by year released > > These are all just suggestions, of course, but without some way to > narrow the field, I think it'll be very hard to people to weed through > the large amount of material there... > > Anyway, it's a very generous offer, Greg, and I'm sure anything along > these lines will be very helpful and welcome... > > Best, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 19:07:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UN6OF04713; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Makoviney To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Currently available looper music webpage Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:06:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C36F4B.522654E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36F4B.522654E0 Content-Type: text/plain I would suggest focusing on maybe making peoples listings expire on a monthly or quarterly basis and put the burden of keeping the music and info on the site, on the musician instead of just having one guy keep track of everything. Especially after my tortorous experience of going through the L-D profiles and trying to find anything that was actually worthwhile (no offense intended. . .it's just a big job keeping all that info up-to-date, I know.). Just a thought. A great directory could actually be painfully outdated in just a matter of months. Thanks, Don M >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk] >>Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:42 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage >> >> >>Even better ideas ! sounds kinda like cd baby (who has far >>too much of my cash :) ) >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Andre LaFosse" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:32 PM >>Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage >> >> >>> Hi Greg! >>> >>> This is a very cool idea, although I could see it becoming very >>> difficult to manage due to the sheer number of people with music >>available. >>> >>> If you (or anyone) were to set this up, I'd suggest making several >>> "filters" available, to help narrow down the path. In other words, >>> offer several different searchable categories/keywords for >>people to >>> select, so that visitors have ways of sorting through the >>hundreds or >>> thousands of different discs/sound files that would be listed. >>> >>> Some of these might include: >>> >>> - Search by style/genres (ambient, hip-hop, glitch, pop, etc.) >>> - Search by principal instrument used (guitar, violin, bass, voice, >>> etc) >>> - Search by princiapl looper used (Echoplex, DL4, Max/MSP, etc) >>> - Search by "technical category" (i.e. "nothing prerecorded," "some >>> prerecorded, some live," etc) >>> - Search by "sounds like such-and-such artist" (i.e. someone puts in >>> "Laurie Anderson" and gets Amy X Neuburg, "Bill Frissel" gets Steve >>> Lawson, etc.) >>> - Search by compositional approach ("free improv," "composed," etc.) >>> - Search by year released >>> >>> These are all just suggestions, of course, but without some way to >>> narrow the field, I think it'll be very hard to people to >>weed through >>> the large amount of material there... >>> >>> Anyway, it's a very generous offer, Greg, and I'm sure >>anything along >>> these lines will be very helpful and welcome... >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> --Andre LaFosse >>> The Echoplex Analysis Pages: >>> http://www.altruistmusic.com >>> >>> >> >> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C36F4B.522654E0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Currently available looper music webpage

I would suggest focusing on maybe making peoples = listings expire on a monthly or quarterly basis and put the burden of = keeping the music and info on the site, on the musician instead of just = having one guy keep track of everything. Especially after my tortorous = experience of going through the L-D profiles and trying to find = anything that was actually worthwhile (no offense intended. . .it's = just a big job keeping all that info up-to-date, I know.).

Just a thought. A great directory could actually be = painfully outdated in just a matter of months.

Thanks,

Don M

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David Swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk= ]
>>Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:42 = PM
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: Currently available looper = music webpage
>>
>>
>>Even better ideas ! sounds kinda like cd = baby (who has far
>>too much of my cash :) )
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Andre LaFosse" = <altruist@earthlink.net>
>>To: = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:32 = PM
>>Subject: Re: Currently available looper = music webpage
>>
>>
>>> Hi Greg!
>>>
>>> This is a very cool idea, although I = could see it becoming very
>>> difficult to manage due to the sheer = number of people with music
>>available.
>>>
>>> If you (or anyone) were to set this up, = I'd suggest making several
>>> "filters" available, to help = narrow down the path.  In other words,
>>> offer several different searchable = categories/keywords for
>>people to
>>> select, so that visitors have ways of = sorting through the
>>hundreds or
>>> thousands of different discs/sound = files that would be listed.
>>>
>>> Some of these might include:
>>>
>>> - Search by style/genres (ambient, = hip-hop, glitch, pop, etc.)
>>> - Search by principal instrument used = (guitar, violin, bass, voice,
>>> etc)
>>> - Search by princiapl looper used = (Echoplex, DL4, Max/MSP, etc)
>>> - Search by "technical = category" (i.e. "nothing prerecorded," "some
>>> prerecorded, some live," = etc)
>>> - Search by "sounds like = such-and-such artist" (i.e. someone puts in
>>> "Laurie Anderson" and gets = Amy X Neuburg, "Bill Frissel" gets Steve
>>> Lawson, etc.)
>>> - Search by compositional approach = ("free improv," "composed," etc.)
>>> - Search by year released
>>>
>>> These are all just suggestions, of = course, but without some way to
>>> narrow the field, I think it'll be very = hard to people to
>>weed through
>>> the large amount of material = there...
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's a very generous offer, = Greg, and I'm sure
>>anything along
>>> these lines will be very helpful and = welcome...
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> --Andre LaFosse
>>> The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
>>> http://www.altruistmusic.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C36F4B.522654E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 19:10:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UN7kR05128; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c36f4c$01a82420$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:11:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.169.35] at Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:07:30 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <7qETM.A.AQB.C5SU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think one trick to help you organize this is to have some standard questions that each person who submits music needs to answer -- then you have the data and a flat file is all you need - and it's user searchable... Perhaps Andre's suggestions can be some of the questions -- with answers limited to picklist or something... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kucharo" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage > I was just going to put it up on my Mac.com site, but having it at > the LD site would obviously be better. Let me get the list together > first, then we can decide where an appropriate place for it is. I > imagined that having people send me their URLs would guarantee that the > info is current, rather than cull info from the profiles. > > > On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 03:42 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > > > would you be interested in helping with the Looper's Delight site in > > this regard? If the profiles section where people already put their > > music URL's could be improved for easier navigation, maybe you can do > > the update for it? Or add some other section for the site if that's > > what is needed? > > > > I do this whole thing for you guys, but I really can't do it all by > > myself! > > > > kim > > > > At 03:14 PM 8/30/2003, Greg Kucharo wrote: > >> I've been thinking of putting up a centralized website that points > >> to everyone's currently available CD's and online music. Posting it > >> to the list is great, but it probably gets lost in the noise and > >> folks have to troll the archives to find stuff. The LD website has > >> everyone's profiles and the archives, but having to pick through all > >> that for downloads/purchase is tough. > >> > >> Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to > >> point at promotional device? > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 19:13:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UNAZD05816; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:10:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:10:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020101c36f4b$e7754b00$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: looper profile section Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:10:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01FE_01C36F54.4915FE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 23:10:34.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[EABA8AF0:01C36F4B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01FE_01C36F54.4915FE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I cant seem to log in, im sure i just have the wrong password or = something, i tired emailing the link on the menu page = (http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Duser_start) = but i get no reply. HELP David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_01FE_01C36F54.4915FE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I cant seem to log in, im sure i just = have the=20 wrong password or something, i tired emailing the link on the menu page = (http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Duser_sta= rt)=20 but i get no reply.
 
HELP
David Swain
 
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
= http://www.davidswain= .pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_01FE_01C36F54.4915FE60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 19:24:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7UNN1C07811; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:23:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F5130A3.8C0B78D2@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:17:54 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey again Greg, Greg Kucharo wrote: > Well, if I get a few more positives I will proceed with a very simple > flat file type of site. As my time, or if someone else wants to chip > in, i'll step up to a more sophisticated operation. I certainly sympathize with the "time spent vs. return" issue, so no argument there! > Frankly just a > central site seems a heck of allot better than what we have now. The profiles page is probably the closest right now, and from my point of view the main "problem" is that it's so difficult to narrow it down without going through each and every entry manually. > Maybe we could go with keywords for the descriptions so > someone could search it with the browser, but I would hate to make > folks pigeonhole themselves. It really depends on how deeply you would want to go with something like this, and obviously every extra layer of search-ability will mean more coding (and more time you have to spend). So I guess the main thing to do is to define exactly what sort of function you'd want this page to have...? If it's just a central spot where everybody with a CD for sale is listed, that'll be useful to an extent. But if you get 200 people listed there, how does a person who doesn't want to look at all 200 individual pages go about finding something they'd be after quickly and efficiently? They might recognize names, but beyond that I think you'd run into the same problem as what we already have, with the profiles section and such. So things like style descriptions and such could be optional, sure. But to me, that sort of "pigeonholing" is actually a very valuable and important way of getting one's music to the appropriate audience. It's a tool for cutting through the immense amount of information out there, and "branding" onesself in such a way that interested people (listeners and/or customers) will be more curious and inclined to hear what a person is doing. And that, to me, is the fundamental challenge in getting your music heard/purchased by people: how do you make people, who would like what you do, want to hear what you do in the first place? If you're going to go about setting up such a page, then I think this is the main issue to be addressed. Anyway... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 20:37:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V0aVM19153; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:36:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:36:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830173806.03a42008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:38:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looper profile section In-Reply-To: <020101c36f4b$e7754b00$6401a8c0@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can also contact me if you need help with something like that. kim At 04:10 PM 8/30/2003, David Swain wrote: >I cant seem to log in, im sure i just have the wrong password or >something, i tired emailing the link on the menu page >(http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=user_start) >but i get no reply. > >HELP >David Swain > >d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk >http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 20:38:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V0ZfE18969; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:35:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.f047748.2c829cd4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:35:32 EDT Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7V0ZeW18943 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis, In a message dated 8/29/03 5:56:00 PM, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: >Personally, I've adopted a set of "rules," (inspired by the Dogme 95 >film movement) for my solo looping project to push me out of certain >comfort zones that I've developed over the years. So: only acoustic >guitar, no effects other than a reverb applied to the entire mix, no >prerecorded material, two brother-sync'ed EDPs. I DO sometimes do one-of-a-kind gigs sortta like that too: Lakewood M-32 Cutaway acoustic, Line6 DL-4 for looping Ernie Ball Volume pedal Behringer Blue Devil amp Ebow, metal fingerpicks, brass slide and a hacksaw. Heck in a previous life (27 years ago) I was a fair to middlin' faux Leo Kottke imitator doing the solo 12-string bottleneck slide (and sans effects) gig or two. I can still play the stuff I used to. It just no longer interests me to do so outside of my own living room. I don't do looping (live or canned) to hide from lack of technical "chops" -- not that mine are anything to brag about, mind you. But, I've "been there and done that" as far as doing "simplified" solo gigs go and am just doing what interests me now musically. I figure the proof is in the music. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 21:12:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V1Ald25065; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:10:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:10:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13.217c5e0a.2c82a50b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:10:35 EDT Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7V1AlW25043 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg, In a message dated 8/30/03 3:14:36 PM, telecaster@mac.com writes: >Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to >point at promotional device? Sure! That way I can stop putting all that stuff http://www below my name (not that anyone ever looks at it). Count me in. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 21:18:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V1GM926281; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:16:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:16:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1cf.102890d8.2c82a660@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:16:16 EDT Subject: Re: recent favorite Loping CDs... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h7V1GLW26255 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, Thanks for the plug. Just to clarify, 4 pieces out of the 10 on the "Flux Aeterna" CD have no "canned" looping at all, just me and my EDP and my MIDIfied Gibson RD Artist (and rack of processors, as if that weren't enough). "Last Sparrow" (track 4); "Recurvate Plaint" (track 5); "Convocation Solitaire" (track 8); and the title track "Flux Aeterna" (track 10); are all guitar/synth and EDP "live" looping, and nothing else. "Nocturnal interstices" (track 6) only has a loop of rain falling and cars passing on wet streets, all else is live (I believe) on that piece. The other pieces have more canned loops (mostly rhythmic stuff). But there were also some sounds that I created on my computer here and there that would've been darn near impossible to play any other way. Thanks for the kind word about my work. I hope it wasn't too much of a letdown to find that some of the pieces (mostly the "rockish" pieces) have canned loops played on a Boss SP-303 sampler. I've been enjoying the discs you sent me too . . . it's quite amazing how you play so many instruments so well. I'm especially jealous of sax players because that's the instrument I begged my parents to get me lessons on as a kid. However, I was asthmatic then and it was an impossible to fulfill desire at the time (health-wise). So, I took up the guitar instead. In a message dated 8/30/03 5:55:46 AM, per@boysen.se writes: >I got a little PayPal money from sales of my guitar sampling CD and >ordered Flux Aeterna, recorded by Ted Killian. For some weeks it has >been my favorite CD (not only my favorite Looping CD) and I love it even >though I have now learned from this list that Ted Is Canned ;-) To my >ears it's nice with music that doesn't try to follow any specific idiom. >It speaks to me. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 21:42:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V1ewn29435; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:38:23 -0400 Subject: HELP!!! Echoplex footswitch part number? From: Ed Drake To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers deluxe, Just a plea for help trying to find the exact replacement part to fix my Echoplex footswitches. I use a MIDI controller (PMC-10) most of the time but I would like to fix up my EFC-7 as the record footswitch doesn't work any more. I've tried searching the LD website and mailing list archives and came up with a mouser part number 103-50211 which is definitely NOT the correct part for the EFC-7 footswitch (I ordered a bunch of them and now have to send them back because they are too small). I thought there would be info in the Echoplex footpedal tutorial but surprisingly there isn't anything there. Can anyone please help me? I have basic soldering skills so I can fix the pedal but I don't know enough about electronics to know which switches, etc are the correct ones. Mousers' online catalogue is huge and there are thousands of switches and parts, it's overwhelming! Thanks in advance! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 22:23:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V2KiF03153; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:20:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <60.3483e03c.2c82b570@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:20:32 EDT Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_60.3483e03c.2c82b570_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_60.3483e03c.2c82b570_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/03 2:38:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > What'd Culture Club do? > having......hard......time......restraining.......fingers.......must......not. .....type...... --part1_60.3483e03c.2c82b570_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/30/03 2:38:11 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

What'd Culture Club do?


having......hard......time......restraining.......fingers.......must......no= t......type...... --part1_60.3483e03c.2c82b570_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 23:29:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V3SoY15448; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c36f6f$f5dd9b60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:28:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C36F45.FE2B8F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C36F45.FE2B8F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Currently available looper music webpageJust some = suggestions/comments re: this: - I had an email conversation with Kim a good while back on this, just = after we finished the File Library. Not sure what happened... I think = it just rolled off of both of our inboxes, and I ran out of free time to = really address it - In that conversation, I suggested putting up a "Yahoo-style" directory = interface, that would allow people to easily update their profiles and = keywords via the web, and also allow users to browse and search based on = various keywords (Andre's list is a good one). Maybe *that's* why Kim = quit emailing me :) LOL - Although a "static", user-managed page is a good place to start, I = don't think it's wise to put a warm body (no offense, Greg!) between LD = artists and their updates. Much wiser for us to build an updatedable = interface ASAP. The current profile section, while clunky as hell, at = least has a web interface for updates. - Greg - I'm willing to help you out if you decide to take this on, in = any sort of incarnation - Just suggestions! I'm sure there are other opinions on the matter - Kim - do you have any of that email conversation archived? I've since = lost it, but there was a link to the .php code that I proposed using as = a starting point. Maybe a broader audience could take a look and = comment? Doug ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Makoviney=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: RE: Currently available looper music webpage I would suggest focusing on maybe making peoples listings expire on a = monthly or quarterly basis and put the burden of keeping the music and = info on the site, on the musician instead of just having one guy keep = track of everything. Especially after my tortorous experience of going = through the L-D profiles and trying to find anything that was actually = worthwhile (no offense intended. . .it's just a big job keeping all that = info up-to-date, I know.). Just a thought. A great directory could actually be painfully outdated = in just a matter of months.=20 Thanks,=20 Don M=20 >>-----Original Message-----=20 >>From: David Swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk]=20 >>Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:42 PM=20 >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 >>Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>Even better ideas ! sounds kinda like cd baby (who has far=20 >>too much of my cash :) )=20 >>=20 >>----- Original Message -----=20 >>From: "Andre LaFosse" =20 >>To: =20 >>Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:32 PM=20 >>Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> Hi Greg!=20 >>>=20 >>> This is a very cool idea, although I could see it becoming very=20 >>> difficult to manage due to the sheer number of people with music=20 >>available.=20 >>>=20 >>> If you (or anyone) were to set this up, I'd suggest making several = >>> "filters" available, to help narrow down the path. In other = words,=20 >>> offer several different searchable categories/keywords for=20 >>people to=20 >>> select, so that visitors have ways of sorting through the=20 >>hundreds or=20 >>> thousands of different discs/sound files that would be listed.=20 >>>=20 >>> Some of these might include:=20 >>>=20 >>> - Search by style/genres (ambient, hip-hop, glitch, pop, etc.)=20 >>> - Search by principal instrument used (guitar, violin, bass, = voice,=20 >>> etc)=20 >>> - Search by princiapl looper used (Echoplex, DL4, Max/MSP, etc)=20 >>> - Search by "technical category" (i.e. "nothing prerecorded," = "some=20 >>> prerecorded, some live," etc)=20 >>> - Search by "sounds like such-and-such artist" (i.e. someone puts = in=20 >>> "Laurie Anderson" and gets Amy X Neuburg, "Bill Frissel" gets = Steve=20 >>> Lawson, etc.)=20 >>> - Search by compositional approach ("free improv," "composed," = etc.)=20 >>> - Search by year released=20 >>>=20 >>> These are all just suggestions, of course, but without some way to = >>> narrow the field, I think it'll be very hard to people to=20 >>weed through=20 >>> the large amount of material there...=20 >>>=20 >>> Anyway, it's a very generous offer, Greg, and I'm sure=20 >>anything along=20 >>> these lines will be very helpful and welcome...=20 >>>=20 >>> Best,=20 >>>=20 >>> --Andre LaFosse=20 >>> The Echoplex Analysis Pages:=20 >>> http://www.altruistmusic.com=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C36F45.FE2B8F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Currently available looper music webpage
Just some suggestions/comments re:=20 this:
 
- I had an email conversation with Kim = a good while=20 back on this, just after we finished the File Library.  Not sure = what=20 happened... I think it just rolled off of both of our inboxes, and I ran = out of=20 free time to really address it
- In that conversation, I suggested = putting up a=20 "Yahoo-style" directory interface, that would allow people to easily = update=20 their profiles and keywords via the web, and also allow users to browse = and=20 search based on various keywords (Andre's list is a good one).  = Maybe=20 *that's* why Kim quit emailing me :) LOL
- Although a "static", user-managed = page is a good=20 place to start, I don't think it's wise to put a warm body (no = offense,=20 Greg!) between LD artists and their updates.  Much wiser for us to = build an=20 updatedable interface ASAP.  The current profile section, while = clunky as=20 hell, at least has a web interface for updates.
- Greg - I'm willing to help you = out=20 if you decide to take this on, in any sort of = incarnation
- Just suggestions!  I'm sure = there are other=20 opinions on the matter
- Kim - do you have any of that email = conversation=20 archived?  I've since lost it, but there was a link to = the .php code=20 that I proposed using as a starting point.  Maybe a broader = audience=20 could take a look and comment?
 
Doug
 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C36F45.FE2B8F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 30 23:55:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V3r2l19058; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <60.3483e03c.2c82b570@aol.com> References: <60.3483e03c.2c82b570@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:50:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 8/30/03 2:38:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > >>What'd Culture Club do? >> > > >having......hard......time......restraining.......fingers.......must......not......type...... I just googled it, and I still didn't find anything. C'est la vie. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 00:13:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V4BYT23477; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:11:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:11:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results References: <476FFB85-DB17-11D7-801B-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:11:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: <476FFB85-DB17-11D7-801B-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Resent-Message-ID: <7wLJmC.A.quF.1VXU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:25:05 -0700, Travis wrote: > That's one school of thought. The other school of thought (that the > drummer has the primary [not sole] responsibility of keeping time for the > rest of the band) has many more adherents, at least in North America. hmm, I don't know if I agree entirely. It seems to me it's not so much about a "school of thought" as much as getting to a certain level where you realize you're not supposed to depend on the drummer to keep time. Reminds me of Meshuggah whose guitarist has such a solid sense of time that the drummer is the one following HIM. I find this thread very interesting because I'll be looping with a drummer soon, and I intend to try with both a click and without to see what happens. It's his first time doing something like that, but he's interested in trying it. I shall report my findings. -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 00:14:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V4Ckk23866; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <49.32cff8ba.2c82cfba@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:12:42 EDT Subject: Re: Show is the Spirit of Live Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_49.32cff8ba.2c82cfba_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_49.32cff8ba.2c82cfba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/03 5:05:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > I bet even blind people do this, they aim > their face toward the sound. > Give em' a show--but don't hurt yourself. > why do i buy books?.....$7.99 u.s. $11.99 canada.....whats up with that?.....gary, KEEP them images aflowin.....yikes.....:)m --part1_49.32cff8ba.2c82cfba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/30/0= 3 5:05:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes:


I bet even blind people do this= , they aim
their face toward the sound.
Give em' a show--but don't hurt yourself.


why do i buy books?.....$7.99 u.s. $11.99 canada.....whats up with that?....= .gary, KEEP them images aflowin.....yikes.....:)m --part1_49.32cff8ba.2c82cfba_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 00:19:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V4IB425477; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:18:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:18:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030831041805.37638.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <81HQw.A.9NG.DcXU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > wrote: > > That's one school of thought. The other school of > thought (that the > > drummer has the primary [not sole] responsibility > of keeping time for the > > rest of the band) has many more adherents, at > least in North America. What hasn't been mentioned in as much depth is the fact that no matter which member of the band is the primary timekeeper, it is absolutely essential that the drummer is provided with a decent monitor system. The only real problems I've had in looping with a drummer have come when the drummer wasn't able to hear the loops well enough... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 00:27:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V4PQi26962; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:25:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:25:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1cb.1024a65f.2c82d2ae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:25:18 EDT Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1cb.1024a65f.2c82d2ae_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1cb.1024a65f.2c82d2ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/03 6:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, telecaster@mac.com writes: > Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to > point at promotional device? > i would love to see this as a part of LD.....is that a possibility? --part1_1cb.1024a65f.2c82d2ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/30/0= 3 6:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, telecaster@mac.com writes:


Would anyone find this useful,=20= if for no other reason than a easy to
point at promotional device?


i would love to see this as a part of LD.....is that a possibility? --part1_1cb.1024a65f.2c82d2ae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 00:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V4SRF27713; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: Adrenalinn 2 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:30:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c36f78$935ab5a0$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36F3D.E6FD6440" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00f701c36f17$c5f36720$6401a8c0@p4> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36F3D.E6FD6440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Installed the Ver 2.0 upgrade kit on the Adrenalinn, and gotta say, this was a great piece before, but now its an AMAZING piece. The additional gtr amps, filters, and additional delay is great, but the main thing I'm happy with is the general reorganization of the menu tree, with many little tweaks to the UI, which it makes it more inviting to roll new patches.which have a wide range of possibility. Neil ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36F3D.E6FD6440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Installed the Ver 2.0 upgrade kit on the Adrenalinn, and gotta say, this was a great piece before, but now its an AMAZING piece. The = additional gtr amps, filters, and additional delay is great, = but the main thing I’m happy with is the general reorganization of the = menu tree, with many little tweaks to the UI, which it makes it more inviting to = roll new patches…which have a wide range of = possibility.

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36F3D.E6FD6440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 00:34:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V4GW725032; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <125.252a2459.2c82d09a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:16:26 EDT Subject: Re: Violin loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_125.252a2459.2c82d09a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_125.252a2459.2c82d09a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/03 5:38:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > (viola, but so what?) > what an addy-tude ya big bully! --part1_125.252a2459.2c82d09a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/30/0= 3 5:38:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


(viola, but so what?)


what an addy-tude ya big bully! --part1_125.252a2459.2c82d09a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 01:05:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V52as02306; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:02:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <190.1f1f25af.2c82db5f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:02:23 EDT Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_190.1f1f25af.2c82db5f_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <2kqBQD.A.1j.rFYU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_190.1f1f25af.2c82db5f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/03 8:53:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > >In a message dated 8/30/03 2:38:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > > > >>What'd Culture Club do? > >> > > > > > > > having......hard......time......restraining.......fingers.......must......not......type...... > > I just googled it, and I still didn't find anything. C'est la vie. > > Jeff > Sorry Jeff, there was just such a wide range of possible responses,LOL! Someone mentioned recently that Culture Club did some kind of show with completely canned backing tracks for the music. I don't remember if it was mentioned whether CC actually mimed to tapes or what (?) but it sounded pretty heinous. Best, Tim --part1_190.1f1f25af.2c82db5f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/30/03 8:53:28 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>In a message dated 8/30/03=20= 2:38:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>What'd Culture Club do?
>>
>
>
>having......hard......time......restraining.......fingers.......must....= ..not......type......

I just googled it, and I still didn't find anything. C'est la vie.

Jeff


Sorry Jeff, there was just such a wide range of possible responses,LOL!

Someone mentioned recently that Culture Club did some kind of show with comp= letely canned backing tracks for the music. I don't remember if it was menti= oned whether CC actually mimed to tapes or what (?) but it sounded pretty he= inous.

Best,

Tim --part1_190.1f1f25af.2c82db5f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 01:24:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V5NQ005569; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:23:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:23:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <190.1f1f25af.2c82db5f@aol.com> References: <190.1f1f25af.2c82db5f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:19:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1r7AFC.A.4WB.OZYU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sorry Jeff, there was just such a wide range of possible responses,LOL! I hear ya. >Someone mentioned recently that Culture Club did some kind of show >with completely canned backing tracks for the music. Yeah, someone else pointed this out to me privately. I just missed the original post. There's been a lot to scroll through lately, but it's my fault for not keeping up to speed. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 01:52:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V5nih09707; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:49:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:49:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:49:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308310430.h7V4UhQ28310@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for themselves, why is it so particularly important for the drummer to be able to hear the loop? TravisH On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results > > >> wrote: >>> That's one school of thought. The other school of >> thought (that the >>> drummer has the primary [not sole] responsibility >> of keeping time for the >>> rest of the band) has many more adherents, at >> least in North America. > > What hasn't been mentioned in as much depth is the > fact that no matter which member of the band is the > primary timekeeper, it is absolutely essential that > the drummer is provided with a decent monitor system. > The only real problems I've had in looping with a > drummer have come when the drummer wasn't able to hear > the loops well enough... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 02:43:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V6fI521053; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:41:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:40:57 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: From: ernesto schnack MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just because everyone's supposed to doesn't mean they actually do it :) Actually it's not so much about everybody keeping time for themselves, rather working as a unit to keep the tempo instead of depending on one person. Because if that one person rushes, everybody else rushes with him, and it sounds bad (unless that is what the music requires, of course). I'm reminded of an ensembe class I had; on one song the drummer took a solo while the rest of the band kept a riff going...everybody else felt like the rug had been swept from under their feet and suddenly I became the "metronome". Only they were looking at my fingers instead of listening. Oy vey... If all the musicians are really good, and everybody else in the band can hear the loop clearly, then there probably shouldn't be a problem. If the drummer has an urge to rush or whatever, the rest of the musicians will hold him in place. But if the drummer is used to being a "band metronome", then there will probably be problems. Aside from that, there is simply the fact that ideally you want everybody to hear the loop clearly. After all, it is basically another instrument in the band. More often than not, drummers don't get a proper monitoring system, and can't hear the whole band. Ernesto On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:49:42 -0700, Travis wrote: > If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for themselves, why is it so > particularly important for the drummer to be able to hear the loop? > > TravisH > > On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Loopers-Delight-d- > request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results >> >> -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 02:50:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V6mvt23256; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:48:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:48:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:48:46 EDT Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9.36ead7d0.2c82f44e_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c9.36ead7d0.2c82f44e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm wondering if anyone on list has used one of those "Russian Dragon" devices that generated some kind of clock (midi?) from a live drummer's playing... any interesting observations/experiences? Tim In a message dated 8/30/03 11:41:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, schnack@mailbolt.com writes: > Just because everyone's supposed to doesn't mean they actually do it :) > Actually it's not so much about everybody keeping time for themselves, > rather working as a unit to keep the tempo instead of depending on one > person. Because if that one person rushes, everybody else rushes with him, > and it sounds bad (unless that is what the music requires, of course). I'm > reminded of an ensembe class I had; on one song the drummer took a solo > while the rest of the band kept a riff going...everybody else felt like the > rug had been swept from under their feet and suddenly I became the > "metronome". Only they were looking at my fingers instead of listening. Oy > vey... > > If all the musicians are really good, and everybody else in the band can > hear the loop clearly, then there probably shouldn't be a problem. If the > drummer has an urge to rush or whatever, the rest of the musicians will > hold him in place. But if the drummer is used to being a "band metronome", > then there will probably be problems. > > Aside from that, there is simply the fact that ideally you want everybody > to hear the loop clearly. After all, it is basically another instrument in > the band. More often than not, drummers don't get a proper monitoring > system, and can't hear the whole band. > > Ernesto > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:49:42 -0700, Travis wrote: > > >If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for themselves, why is it so > >particularly important for the drummer to be able to hear the loop? > > > >TravisH > > > >On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Loopers-Delight-d- > >request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > >>Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results > >> > >> > > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://www.stringboy.net > > --part1_c9.36ead7d0.2c82f44e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm wondering if anyone on list has used one of those=20= "Russian Dragon" devices that generated some kind of clock (midi?) from a li= ve drummer's playing... any interesting observations/experiences?

Tim



In a message dated 8/30/03 11:41:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, schnack@mailbo= lt.com writes:

Just because everyone's suppose= d to doesn't mean they actually do it :) 
Actually it's not so much about everybody keeping time for themselves,
rather working as a unit to keep the tempo instead of depending on one
person.  Because if that one person rushes, everybody else rushes with=20= him,
and it sounds bad (unless that is what the music requires, of course). = I'm
reminded of an ensembe class I had; on one song the drummer took a solo
while the rest of the band kept a riff going...everybody else felt like the=20=
rug had been swept from under their feet and suddenly I became the
"metronome". Only they were looking at my fingers instead of listening. Oy <= BR> vey...

If all the musicians are really good, and everybody else in the band can hear the loop clearly, then there probably shouldn't be a problem.  If=20= the
drummer has an urge to rush or whatever, the rest of the musicians will
hold him in place.  But if the drummer is used to being a "band metrono= me",
then there will probably be problems.

Aside from that, there is simply the fact that ideally you want everybody to hear the loop clearly.  After all, it is basically another instrumen= t in
the band.  More often than not, drummers don't get a proper monitoring=20=
system, and can't hear the whole band.

Ernesto

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:49:42 -0700, Travis <tiktok@sprintmail.com> wro= te:

>If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for themselves, why is it so <= BR> >particularly important for the drummer to be able to hear the loop?
>
>TravisH
>
>On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-
>request@loopers-delight.com wrote:
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>>Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=3Dnew results >>
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 --part1_c9.36ead7d0.2c82f44e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 03:08:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V75Zp27316; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:05:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:05:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Cc: Subject: RE: recent favorite Loping CDs... ("Canned.....") Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:05:23 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002401c36f8e$401457a0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1ac.19838e75.2c829682@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Hi Ted, > Thanks for the plug. Oh, I was only telling about my own tastes for music ;-) > Just to clarify, 4 pieces out of the 10 on the > "Flux Aeterna" CD have no "canned" looping at all, Sure, I know. Read your specification chart with the greatest interest. The expression "Ted IS Canned" was put there more for the sake of joke, referring to another post, (hence the smiley). But maybe that expression is more fun to my originally Swedish ears than to others. I'm sorry if that is how it came out. I will indeed be more careful in the future when posting things like that. You also have to think about eventual newcomers on the list that might read a post without knowing the specific background. To me it was so obvious that "Ted is NOT canned" and I thought posting it the way I did was a good way of making the point that "canned or not canned is not relevant for music". It could be relevant though, if you are an artist with a very strong philosphical concept based on "canned" (or "uncanned" ;-) Labelling music as "canned" or "not canned" is only for those who are not in the first place interested in listening to what the music actually speaks. I don't think it's such a big deal. If the music sounds good it's simply good music! Personally I also love a lot of "canned" music. One example is The Avalanches that splice together chunks of other artists music lifted off records (can it be more "canned"?), another example is the KLF and of course Negativeland even though, in that case, I like their concept and attitudes more than the sound of the music. Why can't I stop thinking of "Corned Beef" all the time? ....we have to stop this "canned" thread ;-) All the best Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 03:15:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V7CT528299; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831001340.03d93c78@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:14:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: HELP!!! Echoplex footswitch part number? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry, I think I gave the wrong part# once and it's in the archives. The footswitch part# is: 10PA005 at http://www.mouser.com or 106112 at http://www.jameco.com the switch is made by a company called Mountain Switch, and their part# is DS412R. They are simple to replace with minimal soldering. hope I got it right this time! kim At 06:38 PM 8/30/2003, Ed Drake wrote: >Loopers deluxe, > > Just a plea for help trying to find the exact replacement part to fix my >Echoplex footswitches. I use a MIDI controller (PMC-10) most of the time but >I would like to fix up my EFC-7 as the record footswitch doesn't work any >more. I've tried searching the LD website and mailing list archives and came >up with a mouser part number 103-50211 which is definitely NOT the correct >part for the EFC-7 footswitch (I ordered a bunch of them and now have to >send them back because they are too small). I thought there would be info >in the Echoplex footpedal tutorial but surprisingly there isn't anything >there. Can anyone please help me? I have basic soldering skills so I can >fix the pedal but I don't know enough about electronics to know which >switches, etc are the correct ones. Mousers' online catalogue is huge and >there are thousands of switches and parts, it's overwhelming! > >Thanks in advance! > >Ed ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 03:26:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V7Oll30193; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:24:37 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002501c36f90$ef93a3f0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3F5130A3.8C0B78D2@earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] > I've been thinking of putting up a centralized website > that points to > everyone's currently available CD's and online music. > Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to > point at promotional device? Yes. A very good idea that is! > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > So things like style descriptions and such could be optional, > sure. But to me, that sort of "pigeonholing" is actually a > very valuable and important way of getting one's music to the > appropriate audience. It's a tool for cutting through the > immense amount of information out there, and "branding" > onesself in such a way that interested people (listeners > and/or customers) will be more curious and inclined to hear > what a person is doing. > > And that, to me, is the fundamental challenge in getting your > music heard/purchased by people: how do you make people, who > would like what you do, want to hear what you do in the first > place? If you're going to go about setting up such a page, > then I think this is the main issue to be addressed. I think Andre says something very important here! That IS the way the internet works. You might not like to label your music but this (promotional) tool is sharp, and it's free. I also agree with his suggestion for search words. Good thinking, Andre! :-) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 05:53:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7V9p2N21652; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:51:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:51:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:52:15 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501c36f90$ef93a3f0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers I don't know if you are aware of the Wiki concept. This is a Website where readers can edit and contribute pages in a very straight forward way. Nonetheless, there are Search functionality and Recent Changes. Wiki has been around for about 6 years (unverified) and there are many implementations around. I think a currently very good one is http://www.kwiki.org/index.cgi?KwikiKwiki The technical requirements would be a webserver with the possibility to run perl cgi progs. Not a hard requirement to meet. I think the structuring of information on LD would be very useful not only for CDs. E.g. Recently, there was the discussion of headphones. I made a table for myself to easen the comparison of the different products. Would be nice to collect the unstructured LD posts in this way and make it available to everyone. If you would like to see a prototype I may set one up. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Sonntag, 31. August 2003 09:25 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music > webpage) > > > > From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] > > > I've been thinking of putting up a centralized website > > that points to > > everyone's currently available CD's and online music. > > > Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to > > point at promotional device? > > > Yes. A very good idea that is! > > > > > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > > > So things like style descriptions and such could be optional, > > sure. But to me, that sort of "pigeonholing" is actually a > > very valuable and important way of getting one's music to the > > appropriate audience. It's a tool for cutting through the > > immense amount of information out there, and "branding" > > onesself in such a way that interested people (listeners > > and/or customers) will be more curious and inclined to hear > > what a person is doing. > > > > And that, to me, is the fundamental challenge in getting your > > music heard/purchased by people: how do you make people, who > > would like what you do, want to hear what you do in the first > > place? If you're going to go about setting up such a page, > > then I think this is the main issue to be addressed. > > > I think Andre says something very important here! That IS the way the > internet works. You might not like to label your music but this > (promotional) tool is sharp, and it's free. I also agree with his > suggestion for search words. Good thinking, Andre! :-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 07:06:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VB59o31350; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:05:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:05:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <185.1fbf5c5a.2c83305e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:05:02 EDT Subject: Re: The Spirit of Live Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 1. They like you (as a carbon based unit) > 2. They want to have a good time (Very important) > 3. What you are doing augments their sense of well being 4. There are a lot of people in the audience (observe, it's true;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 10:05:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VE3Rg21814; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:03:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:03:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.203.50] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:03:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2003 14:03:18.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[A15E25B0:01C36FC8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for themselves, why is it so >particularly important for the drummer to be able to hear the loop? > >TravisH >>>>That's one school of thought. The other school of >>>thought (that the >>>>drummer has the primary [not sole] responsibility >>>of keeping time for the >>>>rest of the band) has many more adherents, at >>>least in North America. My point was not that everyone should "keep time for themselves", but rather be RESPONSIBLE for keeping time for themselves. A musician uses a metronome as a learning tool, but does not (hopefully) seek to play "metronomically". It is unfair for drummers to be used a "band metronomes", and unfair, and unmusical, for other musicians to "rely" on them as such. Certainly, while playing, we all listen to and respond to other players' phrasing, note selection, time, cadence etc. This is all part of the inner dialogue of music. To assign the role of "timekeeper" to a member would inhibit this converstaion, as well as limit the other players' ability to grow. Yet, drummers', due to the nature of their instrument and their training, are certainly more "aware" or sensitive to changes in tempo and time, and perhaps become the tempo "monitor"; the first to fire off any warning flares when things become a little too spongy. Rhythm is not a static event, but rather is filled with ebbs and flows, expansion and contaction, speeding up and slowing down. By maintaining one's own responsibility to the "time" an entire ensemble can live and breathe as on, musically. When using loops, the band can simultaneously play with and against the loop while maintaing as sense of time and tempo. And, in my post, I point out that an essential is a good and complete monitor system. The loop has to be treated as another instrument which is audibly available to all, not just an effect of whomever is triggering it. When I work with bands, and use loops, I often run a seperate monitor mix off my rig, with nother power amp and monitor speakers, to the various corners of the stage just for loop monitoring. WHen everyone can hear a part clearly they can play to it, with it and for it. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 10:09:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VE8KP22929; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:08:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:05:46 -0400 Subject: Re: HELP!!! Echoplex footswitch part number? From: Ed Drake To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831001340.03d93c78@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/31/03 3:14 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > sorry, I think I gave the wrong part# once and it's in the archives. > > The footswitch part# is: > > 10PA005 at http://www.mouser.com > > or > > 106112 at http://www.jameco.com > > the switch is made by a company called Mountain Switch, and their part# is > DS412R. Thank you Kim!! One other stupid question I have regarding electronics. Upon inspecting the inside of the EFC-7, one of the resistors in the footswitch is broken so I need to replace it (Next Loop - 681 ohms). Can someone please point me in the right direction to locate the 1% metal film resistors in the mouser catalog? Sorry for being such an idiot in these matters, I don't have an electronics background and the catalog is intimidating. I just want to make sure I get the right part ordered when I return the other switches. Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks again in advance! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 10:10:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VE8rH22975; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030831140846.2665.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For the same reason that in ANY sort of musical performance involving interaction between players it's important for people to be able to hear each other. It's hard to respond/adjust to someone's input when it's not reaching you. I'm basing this observation on two things: 1) Having it pointed out by drummers open-minded enough to WANT to incorporate loopage and 2) noticing the problems disappear dramatically when I put a wedge monitor on a milk crate next to the floor toms. -t- --- Travis wrote: > If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for > themselves, why is it so > particularly important for the drummer to be able to > hear the loop? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 10:55:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VEs6L28728; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:54:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:55:16 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I set up a prototype http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 11:00:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VExX630959; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007d01c36aa8$72016590$e167b240@nighttrain> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823151225.0374e008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030823232349.033abf48@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030824010631.0349be88@loopers-delight.com> <007d01c36aa8$72016590$e167b240@nighttrain> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:59:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: reaktor, MSP, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have seen two very smart people trying to build loopers with Max/MSP and did not get close to the EDP functions, even investing weeks. There are limits. Its only true that you can to "ANYTHING" if you start creating your own modules, writing them in C - but then it may be better to do the whole thing in C - and its not an amature project any more. Try do reproduce the rounding Mulitiply function of the EDP with simultaneous FB control to verify! And thats not a special function yet, just what we use in every piece because its so intuitive... > >The thing that I think you're missing is this: the "modular diy software" >can do ANYTHING if you put the time into it. You say that you spent a >shitload of time building the echoplex and I believe it, but no one ever >said that you can make live looping interfaces on software in a "few days" >as you said. It takes effort. A lot of effort. The reason that you hear >people raving about the software loopers is because you can take an >"amateur" one, as you called it, and tailor it to do everything you ever >wanted and more. That is something that you can't do with hardware. I >can't go and take the echoplex and re-wire the boards if i wanna add a new >function (i guess theoretically i could, but it is SO much less practical >than doing it through software). I'll bet you anything that someone (not >necessarily on this list) has a looper on reaktor or max/msp that can do >everything you want. Maybe they don't feel like sharing it at the moment, >though. As you said yourself, making a loop sampler takes a ton of effort, >so maybe this person doesn't want to openly share their creation now because >of all the work they put into it. I mean, do you give echoplexes away for >free?? I don't think so. Reaktor and MAX/MSP are really intense interfaces >because you can do anything and everything. Go check out a book on them if >you want to see. Or download the trial version of MAX/MSP. Look for some >max/msp looping interface and see if you can modifythem to add those >features oyu want. If you find that you can't, that hardly means that it's >not possible. It just takes a lot of dedication and work. > >-Nick -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 11:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VExcJ31002; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:59:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:59:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: RE: future loopers--A discrete delete funtion? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I need that delete function too. Mostly for the case that I do a multiply and then realize it became 9 cycles long or so. For me that would be fine, I learned to deal with it and like it somehow, but will the percussionist? I observe that the "conscious" musicians can play terrible rhythm measures I can never follow, but only if they know whats needed. Otherwhise they listen half the piece through to figure out what my structure is before they play - instead of just floating with me... LOL! Anyway: my special version of the delete function would be a rounded one, or even quantized: "chop off this cycle" > > Hi all-- >> You know how you can insert new material in the EDP, into a location >> anywhere in the loop? I want a delete function, sort of vacuuming up bits >> of audio--implemented thusly: >> 1. at first press of magic button, marker set to remove material >> 2. upon release of magic button (or second tap) marker set for end of >> material to be removed >> 3. either delete it at that moment or a third tap to instantly delete it > >Nice idea to make an area for future processing. >Could also Reverse or Stutter that marked section. > >In loop4 you have to use unrounded multiply and start at the >End of the bit you want to delete, and end at the beginning. >kind of awkward, but the same result. > > > I would also like back a feature possible in Loop III, inadvertantly >> omitted in Loop IV, that works this way: >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00800.html >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00822.html >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200010/msg00036.html >> >> So this involved toggling back and forth between multiply and insert . . . >> > >yeah ....missed that one :-( > >andy butler ok, Andy, thats easy, once we have enough interface... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 11:01:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VExXR30957; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:59:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like your stereo point Mark. It depends on the instruements and music, too. I use only one EDP myself and like the mono repetition of a stereo sound sometimes, not so much other times. If you do percussion, you need to pan it stereo, for my taste. But its another work during playing. I did paning during some time (like on "Jejum") to have my melodies spread in space and loved it, but its not so important and a bit distracting while playing. Your idea of the "false stereo" in JamMan manner is ok, but the additional jacks, input stage, stereo pots, output stage are a considerable cost. There are no mono ADCs on the market any more, so even the EDP has a stereo one, but the real limit is processor power. Sure with a modern processor, that would be easy. But thats a completely new design... So nowadays that the digital part is so cheap and powerfull, "false stereo" would not make sense at all. Once the analog part for stereo is made, better do it real stereo. But we have discussed before, how its possible to do such a false stereo mix passive in a little box or with splitting/mixing cables. I dont use a mixer. The most important to be stereo for me is the Reverb, because it needs to creat space. And that comes after the EDP... >I feel compelled to defend my assertion that stereo isn't necessarily all >that important -- even with stereo sound sources. I have stereo sources as >well since some of my pre-loop processing is stereo. Do I miss it when the >looped version goes down to mono? Somewhat. But I've also found that it's >helpful for keeping a distinction between the new material and the looped >material. The new material can be bipping around from left to right. The >looped material can sit in the center. Furthermore, post-loop processing can >add some stereo sheen back to the loop. > >So, would stereo be nice? Yeah. Is it death for the EDP that it doesn't have >stereo? No. > >I think it's far more of an annoyance that if you've got some stereo gear >before the EDP, you essentially have to get a mixer or lose the stereo >effects on even the dry signal. > >The Repeater wins overall in this regard since it gives you stereo loops, >stereo throughs, and a switchable insert point. Other discussions have >covered what it doesn't give you. > >Mark -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 12:40:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VGbqK14086; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:37:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:37:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:37:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <73F5F5BC-DBD1-11D7-AECF-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bernhard, This is great, and I hadn't considered Wiki as yet. However I am worried that this solution will be too self managing, and that things will fall out of date and we'll be in a situation like we are now with the profiles. Perhaps if we could figure out how to add the expiration after specified time feature mentioned before. The whole idea was to make sure things were ultra current and up to date. On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 07:55 AM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > I set up a prototype > > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > > Bernhard > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 12:51:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VGnEE15574; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:49:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:49:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.165.249] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: Subject: Re: HELP!!! Echoplex footswitch part number? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:49:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C36FA5.1A9A6980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:49:00 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2003 16:49:07.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB49FE00:01C36FDF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C36FA5.1A9A6980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Found one here: http://tinyurl.com/ls2v I made an assumption about the rated power (1/8W) - are you able to = verify this from e.g. a schematic? Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Drake=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 7:05 AM Subject: Re: HELP!!! Echoplex footswitch part number? on 8/31/03 3:14 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > sorry, I think I gave the wrong part# once and it's in the archives. >=20 > The footswitch part# is: >=20 > 10PA005 at http://www.mouser.com >=20 > or >=20 > 106112 at http://www.jameco.com >=20 > the switch is made by a company called Mountain Switch, and their = part# is > DS412R. Thank you Kim!! One other stupid question I have regarding electronics. Upon = inspecting the inside of the EFC-7, one of the resistors in the footswitch is broken = so I need to replace it (Next Loop - 681 ohms). Can someone please point = me in the right direction to locate the 1% metal film resistors in the = mouser catalog? Sorry for being such an idiot in these matters, I don't have = an electronics background and the catalog is intimidating. I just want = to make sure I get the right part ordered when I return the other switches. = Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks again in advance! Ed ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C36FA5.1A9A6980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Found one here:
 
 
I made an assumption about the rated power (1/8W) - are you able to = verify=20 this from e.g. a schematic?
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Drake
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 = 7:05=20 AM
Subject: Re: HELP!!! Echoplex = footswitch=20 part number?

on 8/31/03 3:14 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com= =20 wrote:

> sorry, I think I gave the wrong part# once and it's = in the=20 archives.
>
> The footswitch part# is:
>
> = 10PA005=20 at http://www.mouser.com
> =
>=20 or
>
> 106112 at http://www.jameco.com
> =
> the=20 switch is made by a company called Mountain Switch, and their part# = is
>=20 DS412R.

Thank you Kim!!

One other stupid question I have = regarding electronics.  Upon inspecting the
inside of the = EFC-7, one=20 of the resistors in the footswitch is broken so I
need to replace = it (Next=20 Loop - 681 ohms).  Can someone please point  me in
the = right=20 direction to locate the 1% metal film resistors in the=20 mouser
catalog?  Sorry for being such an idiot in these = matters, I=20 don't have an
electronics background and the catalog is = intimidating. =20 I just want to make
sure I get the right part ordered when I return = the=20 other switches.  Any
help will be much = appreciated.

Thanks=20 again in advance!

Ed

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C36FA5.1A9A6980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:03:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VH0Rf19000; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:00:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:00:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c36fe1$5c411640$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:00:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg & Bernhard, Not trying to create a competition or anything! :) I had already done this last night, and written most of this email, but was zonked so I decided to send it out today. Obviously, I'm going ahead with that plan, but I really don't want to create a confusing situation. Maybe everyone can have a look and make comments, and we can decide where to go from there? Everyone, I threw together a quick demo of the idea I had re: LD artist listings. It also seems to lend itself to individual audio file links, and to CD reviews, so I also integrated that idea into the demo. The link: http://www.mrscox.com/sslinks/links.php The root of this is my wife's website (she's an 8th grade english teacher). Please don't email her questions about diagramming a sentence or anything. :) The basic idea: Treat artist listings (and individual track links, and CD reviews) similar to old-school Yahoo listings. There is a primary set of characteristics that define the *browsable* heirarchy, but each listing also has specific fields for other characteristics, so that advanced *searching* can be done. This supports the idea that a few folks have mentioned, and that Andre proposed a list for - being able to build specific queries across these characteristics to find the artists, audio files, or cd reviews. In the demo, the pre-defined categories are "media" related - i.e., Artist Sites, Audio Files, CD Reviews, etc. Artist Sites *could* be sub-divided into sections for browsability. Something concrete would be good - like "home region of the world". Each listing/link then has a description and a set of characteristics. For demo purposes, I just kinda translated Andre's list: Desc, Genre/Style, Instruments, Looper, Reference Artist, Live vs. Studio approach, Compositional Approach, Year Released. These characteristics could be an endlessly debateable topic, so I'd suggest we not linger on it too long, and instead provide an interface like this: - for each characteristic, have the user choose a certain number of predefined values (3 Genre/Styles, for instance), and then also include a small freeform text area for them to add their own words. So, I could choose "Ambient", "Solo Guitar", "Electronica" and then type "rhythmic, out of tune, boring" in the freeform area. Those would all be concatenated together when someone does a search on "Genre/Style". Again, debating which list of Genre/Styles (or Live vs. Studio descriptions, or - heaven forbid! - Compositional Approaches) to use doesn't sound like fun. Maybe someone could just put a reasonable proposal on the table for each, and we go with that? You'll see that I mocked up the search page to handle all of these characteristics, but the gears aren't installed behind it to make it really work. :) Just giving a feel for how that interface might look. Would love to hear comments! Added today: Greg - if this looks like a way you'd like to go as well, let me know, and we could split up the work in getting it done. I suspect that with quick decisions on the various characteristics, we could get this up before the end of this week. The custom coding to be done is very simple. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) > I set up a prototype > > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > > Bernhard > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:13:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHBMI20512; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:11:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:11:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002f01c36fe1$5c411640$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: <226471CF-DBD6-11D7-AECF-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well hell! This looks great Doug. I'd say we might have a winner here. However, it too still feels a bit too self maintaining ala the Wiki and current profiles. I dunno, it's probably just me. I'm sure it could be modified to be less, er, self and more maintain. Next topic should be, how would Kim feel about putting this on the LD website so it's official. I'll be happy to help keep the thing running or otherwise wack it into shape. One small problem, the fonts looks really bad on the Safari browser. On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:00 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > Greg & Bernhard, > > Not trying to create a competition or anything! :) I had already done > this > last night, and written most of this email, but was zonked so I > decided to > send it out today. Obviously, I'm going ahead with that plan, but I > really > don't want to create a confusing situation. Maybe everyone can have a > look > and make comments, and we can decide where to go from there? > > Everyone, > > I threw together a quick demo of the idea I had re: LD artist > listings. It > also seems to lend itself to individual audio file links, and to CD > reviews, > so I also integrated that idea into the demo. > > The link: http://www.mrscox.com/sslinks/links.php The root of this > is my > wife's website (she's an 8th grade english teacher). Please don't > email her > questions about diagramming a sentence or anything. :) > > The basic idea: > Treat artist listings (and individual track links, and CD reviews) > similar > to old-school Yahoo listings. There is a primary set of > characteristics > that define the *browsable* heirarchy, but each listing also has > specific > fields for other characteristics, so that advanced *searching* can be > done. > This supports the idea that a few folks have mentioned, and that Andre > proposed a list for - being able to build specific queries across these > characteristics to find the artists, audio files, or cd reviews. > > In the demo, the pre-defined categories are "media" related - i.e., > Artist > Sites, Audio Files, CD Reviews, etc. Artist Sites *could* be > sub-divided > into sections for browsability. Something concrete would be good - > like > "home region of the world". > > Each listing/link then has a description and a set of characteristics. > For > demo purposes, I just kinda translated Andre's list: Desc, Genre/Style, > Instruments, Looper, Reference Artist, Live vs. Studio approach, > Compositional Approach, Year Released. These characteristics could be > an > endlessly debateable topic, so I'd suggest we not linger on it too > long, and > instead provide an interface like this: > > - for each characteristic, have the user choose a certain number of > predefined values (3 Genre/Styles, for instance), and then also > include a > small freeform text area for them to add their own words. So, I could > choose "Ambient", "Solo Guitar", "Electronica" and then type > "rhythmic, out > of tune, boring" in the freeform area. Those would all be concatenated > together when someone does a search on "Genre/Style". > > Again, debating which list of Genre/Styles (or Live vs. Studio > descriptions, > or - heaven forbid! - Compositional Approaches) to use doesn't sound > like > fun. Maybe someone could just put a reasonable proposal on the table > for > each, and we go with that? > > You'll see that I mocked up the search page to handle all of these > characteristics, but the gears aren't installed behind it to make it > really > work. :) Just giving a feel for how that interface might look. > > Would love to hear comments! > > Added today: Greg - if this looks like a way you'd like to go as well, > let > me know, and we could split up the work in getting it done. I suspect > that > with quick decisions on the various characteristics, we could get this > up > before the end of this week. The custom coding to be done is very > simple. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernhard Wagner" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:55 AM > Subject: RE: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music > webpage) > > >> I set up a prototype >> >> http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi >> >> Bernhard >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:16:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHEMF21162; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:14:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:14:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:14:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Show is the Spirit of Live Music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <017301c36f3c$794a76f0$6401a8c0@p4> Message-Id: <8EA09AB1-DBD6-11D7-BC0C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the heart of this issue is that what we think about this topic is irrelevent. We're a special interest group so this is going to be interesting to us just like IP router features and design are going to be interesting to someone who runs a ISP or company network. Most others just want the results of what the routers do and could care less about the details. Ask your non musician friends. They are the ones who'll have insight. My wife, who dabbles in music but does not loop, had an insightful observation about this yesterday. She said, "You'll always have 2 people out of a hundred who care about the functions of the looping, so if you're playing to an audience of 2 get used to it." The reason that struck a nerve in me is that after almost every gig I do I get 2-4 people who come up to ask about how I was doing the music. Many times some of them are also loopers and usually they're always musicians. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 02:20 PM, David Swain wrote: > I like to think of music venues being > auditoriums (aural = to hear) then spectator stands.........but i do > like to > see how things are done - just part of my personality i suppose From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:19:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHHEm21817; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:17:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:17:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <226471CF-DBD6-11D7-AECF-000A95864C54@mac.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually I take back everything I said about being too self managing...It works just great. You just have to decide who the staff is to do the validation. I offer up myself as a candidate for that role. Plus the rating system will help out keeping the thing mostly self validating. On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > Well hell! This looks great Doug. I'd say we might have a winner > here. However, it too still feels a bit too self maintaining ala the > Wiki and current profiles. I dunno, it's probably just me. I'm sure it > could be modified to be less, er, self and more maintain. > > Next topic should be, how would Kim feel about putting this on the LD > website so it's official. I'll be happy to help keep the thing running > or otherwise wack it into shape. > > One small problem, the fonts looks really bad on the Safari browser. > > > On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:00 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > >> Greg & Bernhard, >> >> Not trying to create a competition or anything! :) I had already >> done this >> last night, and written most of this email, but was zonked so I >> decided to >> send it out today. Obviously, I'm going ahead with that plan, but I >> really >> don't want to create a confusing situation. Maybe everyone can have >> a look >> and make comments, and we can decide where to go from there? >> >> Everyone, >> >> I threw together a quick demo of the idea I had re: LD artist >> listings. It >> also seems to lend itself to individual audio file links, and to CD >> reviews, >> so I also integrated that idea into the demo. >> >> The link: http://www.mrscox.com/sslinks/links.php The root of this >> is my >> wife's website (she's an 8th grade english teacher). Please don't >> email her >> questions about diagramming a sentence or anything. :) >> >> The basic idea: >> Treat artist listings (and individual track links, and CD reviews) >> similar >> to old-school Yahoo listings. There is a primary set of >> characteristics >> that define the *browsable* heirarchy, but each listing also has >> specific >> fields for other characteristics, so that advanced *searching* can be >> done. >> This supports the idea that a few folks have mentioned, and that Andre >> proposed a list for - being able to build specific queries across >> these >> characteristics to find the artists, audio files, or cd reviews. >> >> In the demo, the pre-defined categories are "media" related - i.e., >> Artist >> Sites, Audio Files, CD Reviews, etc. Artist Sites *could* be >> sub-divided >> into sections for browsability. Something concrete would be good - >> like >> "home region of the world". >> >> Each listing/link then has a description and a set of >> characteristics. For >> demo purposes, I just kinda translated Andre's list: Desc, >> Genre/Style, >> Instruments, Looper, Reference Artist, Live vs. Studio approach, >> Compositional Approach, Year Released. These characteristics could >> be an >> endlessly debateable topic, so I'd suggest we not linger on it too >> long, and >> instead provide an interface like this: >> >> - for each characteristic, have the user choose a certain number of >> predefined values (3 Genre/Styles, for instance), and then also >> include a >> small freeform text area for them to add their own words. So, I could >> choose "Ambient", "Solo Guitar", "Electronica" and then type >> "rhythmic, out >> of tune, boring" in the freeform area. Those would all be >> concatenated >> together when someone does a search on "Genre/Style". >> >> Again, debating which list of Genre/Styles (or Live vs. Studio >> descriptions, >> or - heaven forbid! - Compositional Approaches) to use doesn't sound >> like >> fun. Maybe someone could just put a reasonable proposal on the table >> for >> each, and we go with that? >> >> You'll see that I mocked up the search page to handle all of these >> characteristics, but the gears aren't installed behind it to make it >> really >> work. :) Just giving a feel for how that interface might look. >> >> Would love to hear comments! >> >> Added today: Greg - if this looks like a way you'd like to go as >> well, let >> me know, and we could split up the work in getting it done. I >> suspect that >> with quick decisions on the various characteristics, we could get >> this up >> before the end of this week. The custom coding to be done is very >> simple. >> >> Doug >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bernhard Wagner" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:55 AM >> Subject: RE: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music >> webpage) >> >> >>> I set up a prototype >>> >>> http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi >>> >>> Bernhard >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:24:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHGrM21739; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:16:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:16:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:18:04 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <73F5F5BC-DBD1-11D7-AECF-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I put it up merely to check it out. Kwiki is specifically designed so that you can provide custom functionality in a structured way. Thus you could plug in a module that would remove items having reached an expiration date. I like its anarchic nature where anyone can contribute. It could be used as a experimenting/prototyping area before fixing a structure that would than be embodied on e.g. LD. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 31. August 2003 18:38 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music > webpage) > > > Bernhard, > This is great, and I hadn't considered Wiki as yet. However I am > worried that this solution will be too self managing, and that things > will fall out of date and we'll be in a situation like we are now with > the profiles. Perhaps if we could figure out how to add the expiration > after specified time feature mentioned before. The whole idea was to > make sure things were ultra current and up to date. > > > On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 07:55 AM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > > I set up a prototype > > > > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > > > > Bernhard > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:31:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHUDT24082; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c36fe5$83c18e80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <226471CF-DBD6-11D7-AECF-000A95864C54@mac.com> Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:29:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well hell! :) You from Texas, too? :) Thanks. Not much to it. Font's can be fixed, etc. Didn't spend much time there. Right now, the only maintenance that's designed into it, is the "validating" of links when they are added. It would be up to Kim re: keeping it that way or not. I know that with the LD File Library, we tied a login system into the LD list, so that you can only upload if you are a list subscriber. That kind of functionality isn't in this system, and it would be significant work to add it. There are a couple of options: - let links go in automatically - Kim might not like this because any old schmo could come along and add a link - use the current validation system - simple and easy to use - login as an admin, and you need one click per link to validate them - tie the privilege of adding a link to LD list membership - like I said, a good piece of work would have to be done. Even then, we'd still have to decide on auto link validation or having people manually validate - in all cases, it might make sense for Kim to delegate admin privileges to a trusted few, so that those folks can easily share the load of occasionally validating links and/or cleaning up any bogus entries Agreed - next step is to hear what Kim thinks. Maybe we should take this part of the discussion off-list? But - I think one good round of LD list members looking at these interfaces and commenting could be done in parallel with that discussion. So - what say ye, o brethren of the loop? Ideas on categorization, the standard values for "genre" (I remember a recently posted list, that Matthias pointed out was lacking?), loopers, instruments, compositional approach, etc.? Any other characteristics to use? Any desire to drop the live vs. pre-recorded designation? The compositional approach? Let's hear it :) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kucharo" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) > Well hell! This looks great Doug. I'd say we might have a winner > here. However, it too still feels a bit too self maintaining ala the > Wiki and current profiles. I dunno, it's probably just me. I'm sure it > could be modified to be less, er, self and more maintain. > > Next topic should be, how would Kim feel about putting this on the LD > website so it's official. I'll be happy to help keep the thing running > or otherwise wack it into shape. > > One small problem, the fonts looks really bad on the Safari browser. > > > On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:00 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Greg & Bernhard, > > > > Not trying to create a competition or anything! :) I had already done > > this > > last night, and written most of this email, but was zonked so I > > decided to > > send it out today. Obviously, I'm going ahead with that plan, but I > > really > > don't want to create a confusing situation. Maybe everyone can have a > > look > > and make comments, and we can decide where to go from there? > > > > Everyone, > > > > I threw together a quick demo of the idea I had re: LD artist > > listings. It > > also seems to lend itself to individual audio file links, and to CD > > reviews, > > so I also integrated that idea into the demo. > > > > The link: http://www.mrscox.com/sslinks/links.php The root of this > > is my > > wife's website (she's an 8th grade english teacher). Please don't > > email her > > questions about diagramming a sentence or anything. :) > > > > The basic idea: > > Treat artist listings (and individual track links, and CD reviews) > > similar > > to old-school Yahoo listings. There is a primary set of > > characteristics > > that define the *browsable* heirarchy, but each listing also has > > specific > > fields for other characteristics, so that advanced *searching* can be > > done. > > This supports the idea that a few folks have mentioned, and that Andre > > proposed a list for - being able to build specific queries across these > > characteristics to find the artists, audio files, or cd reviews. > > > > In the demo, the pre-defined categories are "media" related - i.e., > > Artist > > Sites, Audio Files, CD Reviews, etc. Artist Sites *could* be > > sub-divided > > into sections for browsability. Something concrete would be good - > > like > > "home region of the world". > > > > Each listing/link then has a description and a set of characteristics. > > For > > demo purposes, I just kinda translated Andre's list: Desc, Genre/Style, > > Instruments, Looper, Reference Artist, Live vs. Studio approach, > > Compositional Approach, Year Released. These characteristics could be > > an > > endlessly debateable topic, so I'd suggest we not linger on it too > > long, and > > instead provide an interface like this: > > > > - for each characteristic, have the user choose a certain number of > > predefined values (3 Genre/Styles, for instance), and then also > > include a > > small freeform text area for them to add their own words. So, I could > > choose "Ambient", "Solo Guitar", "Electronica" and then type > > "rhythmic, out > > of tune, boring" in the freeform area. Those would all be concatenated > > together when someone does a search on "Genre/Style". > > > > Again, debating which list of Genre/Styles (or Live vs. Studio > > descriptions, > > or - heaven forbid! - Compositional Approaches) to use doesn't sound > > like > > fun. Maybe someone could just put a reasonable proposal on the table > > for > > each, and we go with that? > > > > You'll see that I mocked up the search page to handle all of these > > characteristics, but the gears aren't installed behind it to make it > > really > > work. :) Just giving a feel for how that interface might look. > > > > Would love to hear comments! > > > > Added today: Greg - if this looks like a way you'd like to go as well, > > let > > me know, and we could split up the work in getting it done. I suspect > > that > > with quick decisions on the various characteristics, we could get this > > up > > before the end of this week. The custom coding to be done is very > > simple. > > > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bernhard Wagner" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:55 AM > > Subject: RE: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music > > webpage) > > > > > >> I set up a prototype > >> > >> http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > >> > >> Bernhard > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:33:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHUMI24119; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:30:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:30:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:30:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Todd Reynolds' "Hardcore Oceanography" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F511C0E.7C585B0B@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. Really nice. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 02:50 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > todd reynolds wrote: > >> It can be found on my site, http://www.toddreynolds.com >> Or for a more direct link, >> http://www.toddreynolds.com/emusic/hardcore.mp3 > > Fan-tucking-fastic track! Go download this one, folks - brilliant > brilliant brilliant. > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:40:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHckI25969; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:38:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:38:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:38:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003901c36fe5$83c18e80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5khlYB.A.lVG.lKjU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Born in Killeen. On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:29 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > Well hell! :) You from Texas, too? :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:42:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHfTk26536; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:41:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:41:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:41:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <60.3483e03c.2c82b570@aol.com> Message-Id: <5925A847-DBDA-11D7-BC0C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-5JpHB.A.ceG.JNjU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry man, you can't come in half way into a thread and have people go back and give you a digest version. Go back and read the thread, I'm sure it's all in the archives if you've deleted these emails. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 07:20 PM, Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/30/03 2:38:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > > What'd Culture Club do? > > > > having......hard......time......restraining.......fingers.......must... > ...not......type...... 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------=_NextPart_000_120A_01C36FC6.E7E1F9A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 13:53:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHowE30874; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:50:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:50:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:50:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003901c36fe5$83c18e80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8j6Qp.A.UiH.CWjU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:29 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > > Right now, the only maintenance that's designed into it, is the > "validating" > of links when they are added. It would be up to Kim re: keeping it > that way > or not. I am really still attached to the idea of a human validating stuff. I have the time during the day to sign off on links so I could do it. It just seems a surefire way to keep things current. > But - I think one good round of LD list members looking at these > interfaces > and commenting could be done in parallel with that discussion. So - > what > say ye, o brethren of the loop? Ideas on categorization, the standard > values for "genre" (I remember a recently posted list, that Matthias > pointed > out was lacking?), loopers, instruments, compositional approach, etc.? > Any > other characteristics to use? Any desire to drop the live vs. > pre-recorded > designation? The compositional approach? Let's hear it :) Andre had some great suggestions in his post; - Search by style/genres (ambient, hip-hop, glitch, pop, etc.) - Search by principal instrument used (guitar, violin, bass, voice, etc) - Search by princiapl looper used (Echoplex, DL4, Max/MSP, etc) - Search by "technical category" (i.e. "nothing prerecorded," "some prerecorded, some live," etc) - Search by "sounds like such-and-such artist" (i.e. someone puts in "Laurie Anderson" and gets Amy X Neuburg, "Bill Frissel" gets Steve Lawson, etc.) - Search by compositional approach ("free improv," "composed," etc.) - Search by year released From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 14:00:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHwU932471; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:58:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:58:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:58:28 -0700 Subject: Re: recent favorite Loping CDs... ("Canned.....") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: <002401c36f8e$401457a0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 12:05 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > If the music sounds good it's simply good music! And that is the most important point of all as we sit and fiddle with our devices. "Hello, do you have Ted Killian in a can? You'd better let him out!" Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 14:00:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VHwVd32499; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:58:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:58:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308311719.h7VHJNg22636@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's nothing unfair about the drummer acting as the metronome, or more accurately as the central source of tempo, for a band if that's what's been agreed upon. And that's not an uncommon agreement in most western bands. I don't agree with the idea that this stunts the ability of the players involved to grow. There are many strengths to a commitment to steady tempo, including using click tracks, samples or loops which establish this tempo, and as with any aesthetic decision, there are drawbacks, but the basic idea of "drummer (among other duties) keeps time for the band and attempts to keep said tempo as steady as required" isn't rare or oppressive. Some basketball players are centers, some people are guards, but a team needs them both, and a band is the same way. TravisH On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for themselves, why is it >> so particularly important for the drummer to be able to hear the >> loop? >> >> TravisH >>>>> That's one school of thought. The other school of >>>> thought (that the >>>>> drummer has the primary [not sole] responsibility >>>> of keeping time for the >>>>> rest of the band) has many more adherents, at >>>> least in North America. > > > My point was not that everyone should "keep time for themselves", but > rather be RESPONSIBLE for keeping time for themselves. A musician > uses a metronome as a learning tool, but does not (hopefully) seek to > play "metronomically". It is unfair for drummers to be used a "band > metronomes", and unfair, and unmusical, for other musicians to "rely" > on them as such. Certainly, while playing, we all listen to and > respond to other players' phrasing, note selection, time, cadence etc. > This is all part of the inner dialogue of music. To assign the role > of "timekeeper" to a member would inhibit this converstaion, as well > as limit the other players' ability to grow. Yet, drummers', due to > the nature of their instrument and their training, are certainly more > "aware" or sensitive to changes in tempo and time, and perhaps become > the tempo "monitor"; the first to fire off any warning flares when > things become a little too spongy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 14:04:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VI2fr02257; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:02:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308311719.h7VHJNg22636@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <4E4BCC45-DBDD-11D7-801B-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2nnD_B.A.Jj.AhjU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, but my point is that I believe it's paramount that the drummer be able to hear the loop very clearly because the rest of the band is taking their tempo cue from the drummer, because the drummer is fulfilling the honorable role of "central tempo provider" for the other musicians. I completely agree with the idea that the drummer needs to have a monitor that allows for the clear monitoring of any rhythmic loop being used, and if I could only give one other musician a monitor for a rhythmic loop, it'd be the drummer. TravisH On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results > > > For the same reason that in ANY sort of musical > performance involving interaction between players it's > important for people to be able to hear each other. > It's hard to respond/adjust to someone's input when > it's not reaching you. > > I'm basing this observation on two things: > 1) Having it pointed out by drummers open-minded > enough to WANT to incorporate loopage > and 2) noticing the problems disappear dramatically > when I put a wedge monitor on a milk crate next to the > floor toms. > > -t- > > --- Travis wrote: >> If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for >> themselves, why is it so >> particularly important for the drummer to be able to >> hear the loop? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 14:11:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VIA3F03785; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:10:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:10:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <56B6A66C-DBDE-11D7-BC0C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 07:03 AM, max valentino wrote: > WHen everyone can hear a part clearly they can play to it, with it and > for it. Well, everyone who's decent with tempo can at least. I find that finding a venue that's got a decent monitor system to be pretty difficult these days as the places I play tend to be small venues with little or none of their own equipment or dance-club venues that expect you to be sitting in front of two turntables and a mixer wearing headphones. I'm getting to the point where I'm going to start playing with headphones or at least bringing them along just in case. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 14:29:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VIRJj06071; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:27:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:27:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c36fed$7fc2a1e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:27:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/Regions/ Wouldn't this be a reasonable way to break up the artist listings into regional subcategories? Seems like Yahoo is as good an authority on regional categories on the 'net as anyone else. I propose this be the primary categorization of the artist listings (recognizing that other characteristics will allow searching across these regional categories). Thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 14:40:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VIbsw08026; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c36fee$f9a75ae0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:37:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I take all of the looping tools listed in the various sections of the LD website's "Tools of the Trade" page, I get the following list. I propose this as our list of "loopers" to choose from when submitting an artist page or music link. Again, there would also be a freeform text field for users to add an unlisted looper. Thoughts? Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro Boomerang Phrase Sampler T.C. Electronic 2290 Digital Delay DOD D12 - Dimension 12 Sampling Delay Lexicon MPX-G2 Akai Headrush DJRND3 Line6 DL4 Modeling Delay Red Sound Cycloops Eventide Orville Boss RC-20 Line6 Echo Pro Kyma with Looper Construction Kit TC Electronic D-Two Delay Sonic Foundry Acid Steim LiSa Audiomulch Cycling '74 Max/MSP Native-Instruments Reaktor Ableton Live Cycling '74 Radial Akai Remix16 Boss SP-202 Dr. Sample Akai S20 Phrase Sampler Yamaha SU10 Phrase Sampler Yamaha SU700 sampler Roland SP-808 Groovesampler Akai S10 Akai MPC-2000 Sabine Backtrack Zoom SampleTrak ST-224 Ensoniq ASR-X Electrix Repeater Eventide H3000/H3500 Eventide GTR4000/DSP4000 DJRND2 Zoom 2100 Korg DL8000 Lexicon PCM-42 Lexicon PCM-70 Lexicon Jamman Lexicon Vortex Digitech RDS 7.6 Time Machine Digitech PDS Series Digital Sampler/Delay pedals Maestro Solid-State Echoplex/original tube Echoplex Frippertronics Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Matthias Grob's (and Paradis') LoopDelay Delta Labs Echotron Roland Space Echo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 14:45:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VIhND08933; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:43:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:43:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5925A847-DBDA-11D7-BC0C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <5925A847-DBDA-11D7-BC0C-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:42:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Fear of "canned" loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-r5LAC.A.cLC.LHkU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sorry man, you can't come in half way into a thread and have people >go back and give you a digest version. Give me a break... Thanks to the two kind people who sent me private emails. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 14:53:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VIq0d10620; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:52:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:52:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c36ff0$f1d35920$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <008501c36fed$7fc2a1e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:51:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_instruments And how's this for loopy? Bernhard's information re: Wiki comes back after a few inserts, multiplies and reverses, in the form of the wikipedia, which has a reasonable list of instruments that we could use as our standard list. Freeform text field also available for unlisted instruments. I *do* think we could add a few things to this list ("drum kit" for instance), and definitely take away some of the more obscure instruments. I propose this list, with some deletions, as the the standard instrument list. FYI - my interest in "standard lists" for these characteristics is so that searching is more accurate. If we use the same drop down boxes for searching that we do for submitting, then the user will find my page even if I don't know how to spell geetar. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 15:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VJ5hf14364; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831113228.0249bc68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:08:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830153800.041ad278@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6HAZsD.A.UgD.HckU_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Greg- Updating the profiles section of LD is a pretty big priority for me. Chris Chovit was great in designing the original version, but that was over 6 years ago and he has not been available for doing updates since. There have been many features discussed here over the years that we want to add. I've tried many many times to get him or somebody else to help out with a new version, without luck. Finally Doug came along a few months ago and it seemed like we might finally get somewhere. It slowed down a lot though because I was too busy at the time to keep up with it. At the moment I have time for it, so this is a good point to finally do this! I'm glad that you are interested in helping and motivated about this project. Some key initial points: - I'm going to require that the current profile data be maintained. It is fine to remove the completely dead entries, but there is too much good stuff there to throw it away. It takes a long time to build something like that. Many people like having their entries on the page, even if they haven't been around the list for years or have never been on the list at all. They still come back to the profiles and update them once in a while. I don't want to lose that data. Asking on the list for people to send you info will only get a tiny fraction of the LD community to respond. - It's great if you and Doug can help out with administering the section. In the end though, I know from hard experience that I am the one who will likely be maintaining it. So the management aspects of the page have to be something that works for me. Among those: there cannot be human intervention required for people to create their entries and make updates. That has to be something people do themselves. The administration aspect should be a higher level of fixing occasional problems or some maintenance here and there. anyway, I'll look at some of the other mails and try to put some other ideas into it later on today. kim At 03:53 PM 8/30/2003, Greg Kucharo wrote: > I was just going to put it up on my Mac.com site, but having it at the > LD site would obviously be better. Let me get the list together first, > then we can decide where an appropriate place for it is. I imagined that > having people send me their URLs would guarantee that the info is > current, rather than cull info from the profiles. > > >On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 03:42 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > >>would you be interested in helping with the Looper's Delight site in this >>regard? If the profiles section where people already put their music >>URL's could be improved for easier navigation, maybe you can do the >>update for it? Or add some other section for the site if that's what is needed? >> >>I do this whole thing for you guys, but I really can't do it all by myself! >> >>kim >> >>At 03:14 PM 8/30/2003, Greg Kucharo wrote: >>> I've been thinking of putting up a centralized website that points to >>> everyone's currently available CD's and online music. Posting it to the >>> list is great, but it probably gets lost in the noise and folks have to >>> troll the archives to find stuff. The LD website has everyone's >>> profiles and the archives, but having to pick through all that for >>> downloads/purchase is tough. >>> >>>Would anyone find this useful, if for no other reason than a easy to >>>point at promotional device? >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 15:25:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VJN9m16957; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:23:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c36ff5$4be6e680$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830153800.041ad278@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030831113228.0249bc68@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Currently available looper music webpage Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:22:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > version, without luck. Finally Doug came along a few months ago and it > seemed like we might finally get somewhere. It slowed down a lot though > because I was too busy at the time to keep up with it. At the moment I have To be fair, it looks like you gave me the go-ahead, and I kinda let it fall. :\ It was obviously a busy time for both of us! Really not trying to be a butt-insky here. I also have some time for this right now, and wanted to help get to a solution quickly while I do, since there was some groundwork in place. So I thought I'd comment on some of Kim's points: > Some key initial points: > - I'm going to require that the current profile data be maintained. It is > fine to remove the completely dead entries, but there is too much good > stuff there to throw it away. It takes a long time to build something like > that. Many people like having their entries on the page, even if they > haven't been around the list for years or have never been on the list at > all. They still come back to the profiles and update them once in a while. > I don't want to lose that data. Asking on the list for people to send you > info will only get a tiny fraction of the LD community to respond. Absolutely agree. We can (hmmm... fairly) easily import that data into a MySQL database on LD, and use it for a new system (the one I have demoed right now would use it, for instance). > - It's great if you and Doug can help out with administering the section. > In the end though, I know from hard experience that I am the one who will > likely be maintaining it. So the management aspects of the page have to be > something that works for me. Among those: there cannot be human > intervention required for people to create their entries and make updates. > That has to be something people do themselves. The administration aspect > should be a higher level of fixing occasional problems or some maintenance > here and there. Makes sense. We can set it up to let entries/changes immediately show up. I assume you'd also be in favor of at least trying out the delegation of admin duties, so that any clean up *could* be done by Greg or me or someone else? Regarding updates: although you can't see it in the demo right now, we can set it up to allow password protected editing of any entry. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 16:26:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VKO4I26918; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:24:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:24:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c36ffd$a82657c0$8864f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200308311405.h7VE53l22472@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: letting the drummer hear your loop live Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:22:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis wrote, 'If everyone's supposed to be keeping time for themselves, why is it so particularly important for the drummer to be able to hear the loop?' Are you being facetious here or have you not played a lot of ensemble work? ***************************************** If the loop is static, the drummer must play to it, physically. If the drummer can't hear the loop it causes the proverbial train wreck. I took a looper to a non traditional Kirtan that I played at yesterday: two singers singing hindu, urdu and arabic spiritual chants accompanied by drums (me) with the audience being the performance, singing call and response chants. Singers couldn't hear the loops and I killed it immediately and played acoustic for the whole show. I would have brought more drums if I had known this as I was counting on layering a lot of bell and 'riding' rhythms to play over, but we had an incredible time of it. ************************************** Maybe it's time now for Steve Lawson to chime in about the nature of stretching time rhythmically whilst using loops live. He inspired me to really get into the whole Jam Karet ("time is rubber" in Indonesian) mentality when I'm doing a purely solo show. Right now, he and Debhashish Battycharya (the master Indian classical slide guitarist who just got the Shakti gig with John McLaughlin gig or so I'm told) are the only people that I'd have confidence using these techniques with live while using loops. It is a cool technique and used minimally can also help one adjust to a 'lumpy' loop. Steve, if you are not too busy..............you want to take over here? Maybe you could suggest a track from one of your CDs that illustrates this technique that I"ve seen you use so many times in performance. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 18:30:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VMTAq13269; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex input problems Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:29:11 -0500 Message-ID: <01eb01c3700f$4d4454d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe a bad feedback knob? or the jack for external feedback going dicey? just a guess. fiddling with the knob and/or jack while recording would probably verify this, since they very rarely fail completely all at once. you should get bits of audio or crackling or something... you could also try the voodoo magic of reseating memory/eproms... > Am I looking at an A/D problem? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 19:54:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h7VNqip25893; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:52:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:52:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:52:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Echoplex input problems From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01eb01c3700f$4d4454d0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the one hand, I think this did correspond with my first attempt to use a feedback pedal with it. On the other hand, it happens with the pedal removed and when the pedal is connected I still see the full range of values in the display. And it should still play back once even if the feedback is at zero, right? Thanks for the ideas and I'll go jiggle things around a bit more. My suspicion is that it's got to be a problem somewhere between where the direct signal branches off and where the digitized signal makes it into the CPU. Mark on 8/31/03 3:29 PM, Jim Palmer at jimp@pobox.com wrote: > maybe a bad feedback knob? > or the jack for external feedback going dicey? > just a guess. > fiddling with the knob and/or jack while recording > would probably verify this, since they very > rarely fail completely all at once. you should > get bits of audio or crackling or something... > > you could also try the voodoo magic of reseating > memory/eproms... > >> Am I looking at an A/D problem? >> >> Mark >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 31 22:54:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h812qsK21726; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:52:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:53:25 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: North Carolina Loopers, was Re: Florida Loopers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll jump in on this thread and ask for the same for North Carolina. Email me offlist if you're in North Carolina. If you're in Florida, email Don :). best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Don Makoviney wrote: > Are there any here? Just curious. If so could you email me off list? Maybe > we can sit in on each others sessions or gigs. Might make for some good > times. > > Thanks, > > Don M
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From:=20 Don=20 Makoviney
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 = 6:06=20 PM
Subject: RE: Currently = available looper=20 music webpage

I would suggest focusing on maybe making peoples = listings=20 expire on a monthly or quarterly basis and put the burden of keeping = the music=20 and info on the site, on the musician instead of just having one guy = keep=20 track of everything. Especially after my tortorous experience of going = through=20 the L-D profiles and trying to find anything that was actually = worthwhile (no=20 offense intended. . .it's just a big job keeping all that info = up-to-date, I=20 know.).

Just a thought. A great directory could actually be = painfully=20 outdated in just a matter of months.

Thanks,

Don M

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David Swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk<= /A>]=20
>>Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:42 = PM=20
>>To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
>>Subject: Re: Currently available looper = music=20 webpage
>>
>>
>>Even better ideas = ! sounds=20 kinda like cd baby (who has far
>>too = much of my=20 cash :) )
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Andre LaFosse" = <altruist@earthlink.net>=20
>>To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:32 PM =
>>Subject: Re: Currently available looper music = webpage=20
>>
>> =
>>> Hi Greg!
>>>=20
>>> This is a very cool idea, although I = could see=20 it becoming very
>>> difficult to = manage due=20 to the sheer number of people with music
>>available.
>>>=20
>>> If you (or anyone) were to set this = up, I'd=20 suggest making several
>>> = "filters"=20 available, to help narrow down the path.  In other words,=20
>>> offer several different = searchable=20 categories/keywords for
>>people to=20
>>> select, so that visitors have = ways of=20 sorting through the
>>hundreds or=20
>>> thousands of different = discs/sound files=20 that would be listed.
>>> =
>>> Some of these might include:
>>>
>>> - Search = by=20 style/genres (ambient, hip-hop, glitch, pop, etc.)
>>> - Search by principal instrument used (guitar, = violin,=20 bass, voice,
>>> etc) =
>>> - Search by princiapl looper used (Echoplex, = DL4, Max/MSP,=20 etc)
>>> - Search by "technical = category"=20 (i.e. "nothing prerecorded," "some
>>>=20 prerecorded, some live," etc)
>>> - = Search by=20 "sounds like such-and-such artist" (i.e. someone puts in =
>>> "Laurie Anderson" and gets Amy X Neuburg, "Bill = Frissel"=20 gets Steve
>>> Lawson, etc.) =
>>> - Search by compositional approach ("free = improv,"=20 "composed," etc.)
>>> - Search by = year=20 released
>>>
>>> These are all just suggestions, of course, but = without=20 some way to
>>> narrow the field, I = think=20 it'll be very hard to people to
>>weed = through=20
>>> the large amount of material=20 there...
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's a very generous offer, Greg, and = I'm sure=20
>>anything along
>>> these lines will be very helpful and = welcome...=20
>>>
>>> = Best,
>>>
>>> --Andre LaFosse
>>> The=20 Echoplex Analysis Pages:
>>> http://www.altruistmusic.com
>>>
>>> =
>>
>>=20