From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 00:44:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h614dwx12865; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:39:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:39:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F0110AE.6010505@spnz.org> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:40:14 -0500 From: Dave Stagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: where to compress? References: <20030630212908.81127.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Evan Meyers wrote: >>Placement-wise, my compressor is the first device in >>the analog effects chain. > > > i tried that. i'm using an EBS multicomp stomp box > for my bass. i've found that in the beginning of my > chain, it defeats the purpose of dynamic based effects > like envelope generators and filters. i've been > playing around with it after those effects and it > seems pretty good...because it brings out those > effects and it limits the extreme sounds created by > some of my filter devices (i'm a big fan of sweeping > the cutoff frequency and turning the resonance up to > 11, which can blow most any speaker). Yeah, if you're using dynamic-based effects like that, then definitely put the compressor afterward. The problem is, the compressor amplifies noise quite effectively too, and filter effects are often noisy. :( > people really use those dan electro pedals? i always > looked at them as the pedals for a beginner player > since you can get a whole set of them for about $100. > but then again, there are certain pedals that give > sounds that nothing else comes close to and they can > be cheapies too! i'd part ways with your noisy dan > electro wah...vox and dunlop make fantastic wah pedals > and i've even had great success using morley (which > seems to be on the not so hot list as far as quality > gear goes). wah pedals are under $100 these days and > when movie prices are crackin $10 (i live in > manhattan), there is little debate as to where the > money should go. Heh. My cheapo Danelectro wah is nestled in between a pair of $200+ handmade boutique boxes (Blackbox Oxygen and Prescription Electronics Germ). I paid $29 for it new at Guitar Center. Whatever works. :} It seems to have a sharper filter than the Crybaby and other Vox clones, and i can get ring modulator-like behavior out of it. I use it for playing melodies within feedback. Maybe someday it'll be replaced with a boutique pedal, but for now i find it very useful. There's a sample of the Danelectro wah doing its thing at , my first really good loop recording since i started putting together a studio. And don't knock the modern Danelectro pedals! Yeah, they're cheaply made, but so were old Electro-Harmonix pedals. And they're often one-dimensional, but so were many classic vintage pedals (Tube Screamer anyone?)... you get the idea. I can think of several more i might add to my rig at some point, something i can't say about Boss or most other "quality" pedal manufacturers. >>Besides, the Oxygen includes a noise gate that works > > >>quite well if i keep the initial noise levels >>reasonable. I'm also finding neat effects using >>the compressor and its gate along with distortion, >>and very light tapping - it makes little explosive >>noises that just disappear afterward. It'll take >>some time to learn to control this, tho. > > > i bet that sounds interesting. i've always been a fan > of working with what you have to find out how it can > be incorporated and it seems like you've found that. I pretty much treat effects as instruments in their own right. It makes me *very* picky about them. I have to learn to play a pedal just like i play the guitar or drums or synth. My effects are a weird mix of boutique pedals, vintage, and just cheap stuff that works. >>The main motivation for getting a compressor was to >>even out my fingerpicking tone - bare fingers plus >>overdrive equals uneven tone. It matters for >>looping only because it makes my tone better in >>general. Its other uses, like explosive tapping, >>are more a matter of how i abuse effects for my own >>nefarious ends than how a more normal musician would >>do things. > > > compression is great because it brings out the quieter > notes and limits the louder smashed notes. and with > filter effects, you can get extreme volume jumps which > suck in a loop. Limiting is more important to me than compression - i don't mind so much that quiet notes are quiet so much as loud notes are too loud. The Oxygen does an excellent job with that. I may fool around with my signal chain and see if it will work with the Germ (my overdrive) first, and the Oxygen second. I'm not sure whether the dynamic problems i have with fingerpicking and overdrive are a matter of input or output. But who knows? The Oxygen is still new to my signal chain, and it'll take a while to learn how to play it. >>In short, put the compressor first. > > > i disagree. but i think it depends on your setup. > i'd say put the compressor wherever you want your tone > evened out...could be good in the middle or at the > end, or even in the beginning, but i think it is more > dependant on what you are using. compressing before > an envelope filter defeats its purpose completely. You're right, of course. Take all declarative statements with a grain of salt, especially mine! But you have to keep the noise monster in mind, though. Some effects produce fairly musical self-noise (my MXR flanger and Danelectro wah as cases in point), but others can be pretty icky (like the Digitech delays i got rid of long ago). I'd at least put the compressor as close to the front of the signal chain as possible, to reduce noise problems. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 00:47:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h614e3n12909; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:40:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:40:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030701044002.28890.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:40:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: essential loop recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030624221855.64280.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One more title from me: Elliot Sharp - Westwerk Before I listened to this, my previous listening exposure to looping was No Pussyfooting. I had never heard looping applied to such violent sounds before. No ambient drones here - more like air raid sirens, screams of the tormented, etc. This was a solo concert with just Sharp's double-neck guitar/bass, sax, and a looper. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 00:51:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h614nu613569; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:49:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:49:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030701044954.46295.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: SPAM: Digitech 7.6 Time Machine up for grabs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, I'm selling the ol' Time Machine. It's in excellent condition; complete with all original knobs, switches, and original un-shortened power cord. A pretty clean unit. If you don't know what it does, check the gear review archive here or do a search. In a nutshell you have 7.6 seconds of sound-on-sound delay with a hold feature and plenty of hook-up options. Real-time control of all parameters including speed and width. Plenty of funky looping to be had with this unit! I hate to see it go, but I was *thinking* about consolidating my one rack anyway when my synth became terminally ill. So, the 7.6 is what I've deemed to be the sacrifice to the gods of economy. $100 plus shipping. Money orders only please. I have plenty of references and will point you towards my Ebay feedback. Thanks! Sorry for the SPAM, but at least it's looping gear. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 01:07:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6150kQ14322; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:00:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [141.158.121.170] X-Originating-Email: [gnarly_gnarl@hotmail.com] From: "gnarly gnarl" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SPAM: Digitech 7.6 Time Machine up for grabs Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:00:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2003 05:00:40.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7E5B890:01C33F8D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if no one gets this within a month. i would love to have it. mine died a few months ago. i have some songs that i haven't been able to do since. i have no money right now though, start a new kob tomorrow. chin chin mike >From: "Rich R." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: SPAM: Digitech 7.6 Time Machine up for grabs >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:49:54 -0700 (PDT) > >Yup, I'm selling the ol' Time Machine. It's in >excellent condition; complete with all original knobs, >switches, and original un-shortened power cord. A >pretty clean unit. > >If you don't know what it does, check the gear review >archive here or do a search. In a nutshell you have >7.6 seconds of sound-on-sound delay with a hold >feature and plenty of hook-up options. Real-time >control of all parameters including speed and width. >Plenty of funky looping to be had with this unit! > >I hate to see it go, but I was *thinking* about >consolidating my one rack anyway when my synth became >terminally ill. So, the 7.6 is what I've deemed to be >the sacrifice to the gods of economy. > >$100 plus shipping. Money orders only please. I have >plenty of references and will point you towards my >Ebay feedback. > >Thanks! Sorry for the SPAM, but at least it's looping gear. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 01:41:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h615eOo16545; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:40:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:40:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.121.115.18] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (Event) July 19th - Himp-Hoxp - Improvised Experimental Hip-Hop Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:40:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2003 05:40:18.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[411DA4B0:01C33F93] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys, A really unusual event coming up in July in Oakland, CA. Experimental/improvised/electronic music meets hip-hop. I've been putting this together for months, and now it's right around the corner. Matt Davignon Saturday, Jul 19 2003 8:00 PM 21 Grand 449B 23rd St. @ Broadway Oakland CA $6-10 Himp-Hoxp: Improvised Experimental Hip-Hop A collaboration between musicians from the experimental music and underground hip-hop communities. Beatmakers, turntablists, instrumentalists, noise enthusiasts and mc's will be placed in various groups to create unusual new rap songs. Glen Galaxy (Soul Junk - San Diego) - MC Bizzart (LA)- MC Reign - MC MC Antiseptic (Create! - LA) - MC/Bass Jon Brumit - Sampler/Turntable/Effects Matt Davignon - Turntable/Sampler/Drum Machine Ernesto Diaz-Infante - Guitar Lance Grabmiller - Laptop Walter Kitundu - Turntable-based Inventions Alexander Kort (Subtle) - Cello Andrew Pompey (Create! - LA) - Drums LX Rudis - Beats/CD Turntables Stephen Ruiz - Beats Slo-Ro (Soul Junk - San Diego) - FX/Computer/Turntable David Slusser - Sampler/Keyboard Chris Schlarb (Create! - LA) - Guitar Please contact Matt Davignon if you need artist photos or additional info. mattdavignon@hotmail.com 510-268-8213 (evenings) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 07:53:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61BfuS05737; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:41:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:41:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: where to compress? Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:41:48 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000201c33fc5$c45d9380$8d1d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <105.31ecc3c3.2c320c5d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> compression is great because it brings out the quieter >> notes and limits the louder smashed notes. and with >> filter effects, you can get extreme volume jumps which >> suck in a loop. > so evan, are you saying that a compressor put after a filter fx > (electrix filter factory) will tame the effect from > those awful volume changes.....now that would be wonderful.....michael That's why I put my RNC compressor after my Akai MFC42 filter. I use to trim the compressor settings so that any instrument I'm playing live will push back the loop a little in voume. This way you get a dynamic feel when playing phrases on top of a loop. I even put my reverb before the the compressor to get this beautifully big room to sparse music, since the compressor is lifting the reverb between the notes (played or looped). Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 09:05:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61CwmX10660; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:58:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:58:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F01857C.655D5B41@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:58:36 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! References: <20030630185913.19126.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > We had a thread a while back about shoegazing vs. eye > contact with the audience. Last night I watched the video of my most recent performance looping at a punk club called the Ghetto Diaper. Definitely shoegazing. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 09:06:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61D37k10966; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:03:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:03:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030701130301.68952.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 06:03:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F01857C.655D5B41@pa.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2h1jS.A.OrC.KaYA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John McIntyre wrote: > Last night I watched the video of my most recent > performance looping at > a punk club called the Ghetto Diaper. Definitely > shoegazing. Well, at a place with a name like that, it may have been wise to be aware of where you were stepping! 8^) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 09:06:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61CxYT10728; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030701125928.26902.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 05:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7459477.1057007703121.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Looping is killing music? And all this time I > thought it was synthesizers that were doing that. > No, wait--drum machines. Or was it electric > guitars? Or long hair? Or race music? Drugs? The > flat five? This is all so confusing--can someone > help me out here? > (Wistful, concerned expression) At the gig, when the guy came out with that statement about electronic instruments replacing "real" ones, Jeff Lomas was standing next to me (he and Michael Lameyer were on next). I could tell from the fiery look in Jeff's eyes that he would have loved to address the issue right then and there, but there wasn't time. I think one thing that was misunderstood was that many of us, in addition to doing solo electronics-oriented stuff also *do* play regularly in more conventional ensemble settings. Sure, the economics of live performance can change, but to blame the demise of the Big Band, popular more than half a century ago, on a few folks doing non-commercial improvised ambient music in a small art gallery is pretty misguided. By comparison, and as somewhat of a reality check, the greatest impact I've ever seen *anything* have on my earnings as a member of an ensemble was a decade ago when the 'Unplugged' boom hit and club owners realized it was more profitable to hire one guy with an acoustic guitar than a whole band, and most of the places to play in my area (which until then had been more than thriving) dried up. > I will say that if I was you, I'd be sure to sample > this guy's monologue and use it in many future > performances, as you continue to kill music. Oh, I will! And I'm sending a copy off to Jeff Lomas this morning that he'll post on his site so you guys can sample it too! Hmmm, I've already sealed the package; maybe I should've included an audio file of just the monologue... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 09:19:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61DEjP12326; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:14:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c33fd2$bc154b20$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030701125928.26902.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:14:40 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 13:59:PM Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on TV! > > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Looping is killing music? And all this time I > > thought it was synthesizers that were doing that. > > No, wait--drum machines. Or was it electric > > guitars? Or long hair? Or race music? Drugs? The > > flat five? This is all so confusing--can someone > > help me out here? > > (Wistful, concerned expression) > > At the gig, when the guy came out with that statement > about electronic instruments replacing "real" ones, > Jeff Lomas was standing next to me (he and Michael > Lameyer were on next). I could tell from the fiery > look in Jeff's eyes that he would have loved to > address the issue right then and there, but there > wasn't time. I think one thing that was misunderstood > was that many of us, in addition to doing solo > electronics-oriented stuff also *do* play regularly in > more conventional ensemble settings. Sure, the > economics of live performance can change, but to blame > the demise of the Big Band, popular more than half a > century ago, on a few folks doing non-commercial > improvised ambient music in a small art gallery is > pretty misguided. By comparison, and as somewhat of a > reality check, the greatest impact I've ever seen > *anything* have on my earnings as a member of an > ensemble was a decade ago when the 'Unplugged' boom > hit and club owners realized it was more profitable to > hire one guy with an acoustic guitar than a whole > band, and most of the places to play in my area (which > until then had been more than thriving) dried up. > > > I will say that if I was you, I'd be sure to sample > > this guy's monologue and use it in many future > > performances, as you continue to kill music. > > Oh, I will! And I'm sending a copy off to Jeff Lomas > this morning that he'll post on his site > so you guys can sample it > too! Hmmm, I've already sealed the package; maybe I > should've included an audio file of just the > monologue... One might wonder about the journalist's feelings about Raymond Scott, who certainly DID work with both ambient and automatic music played via instruments he designed himself... in the final days of the Big Band Era. My God! That's it! Raymond Scott! Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! 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------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C33FE2.3BEA3770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 11:55:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61FrKZ25662; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:53:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:20:53 -0700 Subject: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030629205442.02459760@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5qrPWC.A.2QG.w5aA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, why is "Drum & Bass" acceptable as a genre seeing as it excludes a lot of people who play either drums or bass and "Live Looping" isn't acceptable? Mark guitar cycletronist on 6/29/03 9:11 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > He applied drum&bass > chop up and reconstruct concepts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 13:41:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61Hamw01502; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:36:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:36:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c33ff7$55950f50$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:36:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <6_99SD.A.WX.wacA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ARRRGH noooo notagaiiiiiine now that T B has Unsub we deserve a small period of calm on the list dont you think... please... mmm ? :=) Claude Member of the Swiss olympic Live Looping team (accoustic guitar: 6 string and 180 bpm slide) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) > So, why is "Drum & Bass" acceptable as a genre seeing as it excludes a lot > of people who play either drums or bass and "Live Looping" isn't acceptable? > > Mark > guitar cycletronist > > on 6/29/03 9:11 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > He applied drum&bass > > chop up and reconstruct concepts > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 13:42:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61HcUM01754; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:38:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:38:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <227501c33ff7$94d820d0$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: Subject: Re: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:38:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it seems to me the genre is "electronica", sub-genre of "techno", and the style is "drum 'n bass / jungle" ... so it's somewhat defined based on its lineage ... but where the style names originated for "drum 'n bass" & "jungle" is unknown to me, probably in some underground club in england somewhere around '93-'94 by a dj ... in music, a style "label" rarely defines the actual content accurately ... "illbient" isn't even a word in the english dictionary ... but we can thank dj spooky for that one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) > So, why is "Drum & Bass" acceptable as a genre seeing as it excludes a lot > of people who play either drums or bass and "Live Looping" isn't acceptable? > > Mark > guitar cycletronist > > on 6/29/03 9:11 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > He applied drum&bass > > chop up and reconstruct concepts > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 14:40:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61IPhP06430; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:25:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:25:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:25:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <68BFFEB0-ABF1-11D7-9E8E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As "drum and bass" is mostly made with machines by people who don't play drums or bass, I think the question is moot. Mark On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 07:20 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > So, why is "Drum & Bass" acceptable as a genre seeing as it excludes a > lot > of people who play either drums or bass and "Live Looping" isn't > acceptable? > > Mark > guitar cycletronist > > on 6/29/03 9:11 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> He applied drum&bass >> chop up and reconstruct concepts > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 14:43:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61IcwQ07684; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:38:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F0165D4.2EA3@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:43:33 +0100 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eberhard's intonation... References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030630222137.026ef5a0@pop.chello.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually have fretlines on my 6 string Moses EUB.It's very helpful especially bowing in the upper register.I don't use thumb position because there's no need to(like Eberhard) I have been considering selling the instrument, to focus on fatherhood and my new 12 string fretless bass.. PEACE Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 15:07:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61J33L09586; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Loop.pooL in Paris. Message-ID: <1057085759.3f01d93faeecf@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:55:59 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.195.232.61 Resent-Message-ID: <77_-_C.A.pVC.nrdA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody, I met Rick Walker Today in Paris in Stuart Wyatt's Place and he did an amazing 2 hour demonstration of the capabilities of the EDP and LoopIV, and I must say that I had the ride of my life!! he simply blew our minds,with the EDP and Rick's musicality, it's almost scary the amount of possibilities he opened up for us today. Rick is an astounding musician and an incredible person and I recommend everybody to try to catch his act in Europe during the tour he's making. I believe his next stop is Germany, then Italy and so on. So,thank you very much Rick and Heil to the EDP!!!! Andy in Paris. ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 15:50:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61JkAg14061; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:46:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:46:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <159.20bd3320.2c333ef3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:45:55 EDT Subject: Re: Hey! I'm loopin' on..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_159.20bd3320.2c333ef3_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_159.20bd3320.2c333ef3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/1/03 8:59:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mcintyre@pa.msu.edu writes: > Definitely shoegazing. > there were large periods of time this weekend when i played that i just watched the people in the gallery....."what happens if i raise this volume and add some filter?".....i did catch some people stareing at me.....but for the most part, i was just "wallpaper".....michael --part1_159.20bd3320.2c333ef3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/1/03= 8:59:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mcintyre@pa.msu.edu writes:


Definitely shoegazing.


there were large periods of time this weekend when i played that i just watc= hed the people in the gallery....."what happens if i raise this volume and a= dd some filter?".....i did catch some people stareing at me.....but for the=20= most part, i was just "wallpaper".....michael --part1_159.20bd3320.2c333ef3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 15:59:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61JvTG14870; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:01:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 09:20 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > So, why is "Drum & Bass" acceptable as a genre seeing as it excludes a > lot > of people who play either drums or bass and "Live Looping" isn't > acceptable? ah you may want to check out Logical Progression Level Three, which features a drummer, a bass player, and some minor guitar looping in the background. it was on Good Looking Records, and released in 1997 or 1998. there is plenty of music on that dnb label which features live drums and bass. not much looping outside of the one album i pointed out, but i haven't been keeping up. don't forget that there are in fact two _diametrically_ opposed schools of drum'n'bass. there is the dark stuff, which is usually rather abrasive and features very bright highly resonant bass tones and is very closely related to breakbeat and industrial. and then there is "intelligent" (not my term) drum'n'bass, which is more like what guys on Stax records _would_ be doing now if Stax hadn't bit it (that is, futuristic soul music). i think that there are plenty of other dance music genres that looping can work it's way into. are there any dance musicians here? like the kind that play at those parties with the glow sticks and the water bottles. :) --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 16:09:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61K78115675; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:07:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:07:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:07:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <93F5445A-ABFF-11D7-9E8E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6P7lk.A.z0D.sneA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 01:01 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > i think that there are plenty of other dance music genres that looping > can work it's way into. are there any dance musicians here? like the > kind that play at those parties with the glow sticks and the water > bottles. :) I just played at a Burningman fundraiser party in Oakland and the glow sticks were plentiful. And the EL wire! You couldn't spit and not hit some EL wire. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 16:16:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61K3Qe15341; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:03:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:03:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030701200324.53737.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: The Loop.pooL in Paris. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1057085759.3f01d93faeecf@www.correo.unam.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone ask him if he's ever going to update the tour diary on his web page. Nary a peep for the last two weeks. Greg --- smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > I met Rick Walker Today in Paris in Stuart Wyatt's Place and he did an > amazing > 2 hour demonstration of the capabilities of the EDP and LoopIV, and I must say > that I had the ride of my life!! he simply blew our minds,with the EDP and > Rick's musicality, it's almost scary the amount of possibilities he opened up > for us today. > > Rick is an astounding musician and an incredible person and I recommend > everybody to try to catch his act in Europe during the tour he's making. > > > I believe his next stop is Germany, then Italy and so on. > > So,thank you very much Rick and Heil to the EDP!!!! > > > Andy in Paris. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 17:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61L2wg20284; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:02:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:02:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F01F71C.4090206@quik.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:03:24 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: where to compress? References: <20030630162057.63802.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030630162057.63802.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Evan Meyers wrote: > hi all, just looking for some opinions on where is the > best place in my chain to compress. i am using a bass > through a mini Q-tron > moogerfooger MF101 > TS9 (tube > screamer) > volume pedal > 2 repeaters. > > i was thinking that compression would be best after > the MF101 since the 101 and Q-tron are dynamic > sensitive effects. i've been playing around with the > chain, but was just looking for some ideas or > suggestions. Here is very nice comparison of various good pedal compressors: http://musictoyz.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=6476029571&f=4066066091&m=6056050402&p=1 A very general effect placement rule is: sound source (guitar/bass/etc.) -> filter effects (wah-wahs, envelope followers, etc.) -> compressors -> overdrives/distortion/fuzz --> modulation (chorus/flange) --> volume pedal --> delays/loopers --> reverb --> amplification If you are using parallel effects loops, like a mixer, it's also common to put the delays/loopers in the fx loop and then everything out to the amp(s). I find that ring modulators and tremelos can go just about anywhere in the effects chain. Now, I actually use a slightly different setup for my boxes, which is: Guitar -> Whammy -> Q-Tron -> MoogerFooger Ring Modulator -> Killer Wail wah -> Dyna-Comp -> Varidrive -> V-Twin -> George Dennis Volume/Tremelo -> DL4 #1 -> MM4 -> DL4 #2 -> -> Fender Dual Showman Reverb amp or -> Laney LC 15R amp -> THD Hot Plate -> Echo Pro -> ADA MicroCab -> Alesis QuadraVerb -> Mixer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 17:55:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61LqGt24032; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:52:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:52:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030630222001.19754.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: where to compress? Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:52:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2003 21:52:10.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[05CF6B40:01C3401B] Resent-Message-ID: <5uB1t.A.X3F.QKgA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > as far as my understanding of compression...you bet! > i have a filter factory and i'll have to try it out > with the compressor after it in the signal chain, but > essentially, the compression evens everything out. it > boosts your lower signal sounds and cuts your extreme > sounds. A nit-pick - compression actually only attenuates dynamic range - it makes loud things quieter. Most compressors have a gain knob, that allows you to increase the output level to compensate - if you make the loud things quieter then turn everything uo, you bring out the low signals. Some of them can do this automatically for you as well, a neat trick, but it's can't be completely accurate, since the level of the output signal corresponds to the amount of input signal that crosses the threshold. Your tonal balance will also change. Since you are compressing the entire signal evenly, based on it's energy, the bass of the signal (which has more energy) will become more dominant as you increase the amount of compression applied. > it is very > tough to use compression effectively with extreme > volume changes...and i've rarely seen anyone do it > perfectly. This is as much (or more) a result of the quality of the compressor as it is the skill of it's operator. > but ideally, yes...you can save your > speakers from your filter factory with a compression > unit after the ff and before your speaker. > For this purpost, you are better off with a limiter. A limiter is a compressor with an extreme ratio - up to 1 to infinity - which means as the input level increases, the output does not. (Or does just a little, if your ratio is less than 1 to infinity). You would set this at the absolute loudest level you want your signal to get, and you protect your speakers and ears without affecting the dynamic range of the sounds you are trying to play. Of course, you will want to adjust the compressor's envelope settings, which will also play a part in the sound you acheive. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 18:07:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h61Lx8N24633; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:59:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: To: Subject: upcoming product release Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:00:07 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c3401c$22d5ba40$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1057085759.3f01d93faeecf@www.correo.unam.mx> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All! Pardon the commercial interruption, but here's something of interest for EDP owners - Those of you at Loopstock 2003 saw me give a preview of EDPDA, a Palm Powered assistant for the EDP. I'll be releasing the full product in this coming week. My website (www.greenteasoftware.com) will have full details, of course, including a free 30-day trial version and a complete manual. But in the meantime, here's some info: EDPDA has five major functions or modes: 1) Configure/Operate EDP, 2) Display EDP Status, 3) Preset Librarian, 4) Sample Dump Librarian, and 5) MIDI PC Mapper. But in a nutshell, here’s what you can do with EDPDA: · Operate the Echoplex remotely from your Palm Powered handheld. · Easily configure and view all local and global preset parameters. · View all Echoplex parameters simultaneously in a “scoreboard” status style. · Save and restore any number of local and global presets on your Palm Powered handheld. You can give the presets names of your own choosing. · Save and restore digital sample dumps of your loops to your handheld. · Control the Echoplex from a foot pedal that sends only Program Change commands. · Quickly transfer settings from one Echoplex to another. · Back up your Echoplex parameter settings and loop samples to your PC or Macintosh when you hot-sync your handheld. EDPDA operates on nearly any Palm Powered handheld, including those manufactured by Sony and Handspring. It also requires a MIDI adapter for your handheld. Price is $39. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 20:09:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6208JY06153; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F022282.7000606@spnz.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:08:34 -0500 From: Dave Stagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <98xJL.A.9fB.yJiA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric Williamson wrote: > On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 09:20 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> So, why is "Drum & Bass" acceptable as a genre seeing as it excludes a >> lot >> of people who play either drums or bass and "Live Looping" isn't >> acceptable? > > > ah you may want to check out Logical Progression Level Three, which > features a drummer, a bass player, and some minor guitar looping in the > background. There's a really cool band in the Twin Cities called Poor Line Condition that do drums'n'bass with a live drummer, bass guitar, and computer/synth. They're on mp3.com if you want to check them out. Dunno if they're doing any looping, though. The drummer is definitely acoustic. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 20:34:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h620Wdl07657; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:32:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:32:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:28:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: MiniDisc suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last year there was some discussion of MiniDisc choices for field recordings. Among those models mentioned were Sony MZ-N1, Sony MDS-JE510, Sony MZ-R700, Sony MZ-R37, and Panasonic SJ-MR220. Some people mentioned using Sony ECM-MS907 and ECM-DS70P microphones. Does anyone have any updates to this list? My personal interest is in something small but reasonable sturdy, for note taking, interview recording, and general field recording. Ease of file transfer to computer (Macintosh) would be a plus, but my understanding is that most or all MiniDiscs that offer USB connection support all transfer from computer to recorder only. I understand that Sony recorders to not permit changing of input levels while recording, whereas Sharp recorders do. I've considered the Sony Sony MZ-B10 because of its built-in mic and speaker. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 20:40:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h620cWR08290; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:38:27 EDT Subject: Re: The Loop.pooL in Paris. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h620cWB08262 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg, In a message dated 7/1/03 1:03:57 PM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: >Someone ask him if he's ever going to update the tour diary on his web >page. Nary a peep for the last two weeks. Been there done that (off list). Rick mentions two factors mainly-- poor availability of internet access on the road in EU and that he is busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy. Okay? He says he had some dates "fall through" but some others spontaneously appear as well. But the tour goes on and (I suppose) he'll get to the "diary" eventually . . . as soon as he is humanly able (I'd guess). Think of it as a good sign. He' gigging around the "old country" and must be having one heck of a good time. Sounds like a bang up success to me anyway. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 22:50:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h622mko18748; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:48:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Drum & Bass (was Re: Andre LaFosse -> essential loop recordings) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c33ff7$55950f50$0100a8c0@black> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4tHh_B.A.0kE.OgkA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah. You've got a point. It was just that all of the arguments about how one shouldn't call a particular variety of music "Live Looping" lest it seem to exclude other uses of looping devices came flooding back to me as I saw Kim's reference to "Drum & Bass", a style that excludes plenty of other uses of drums and basses. Personally, I just feel that "live looping" isn't particularly catchy as a name. Mark on 7/1/03 10:36 AM, Claude Voit at c.voit@vtx.ch wrote: > ARRRGH > > noooo notagaiiiiiine > > now that T B has Unsub we deserve a small period of calm on the list > > dont you think... > please... > mmm ? > > :=) > > Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 1 23:50:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h623lU224125; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:47:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:47:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:46:44 -0700 Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a Sony MZ-R700 that works pretty well for me. However, Sony does not make it easy to get data off the disc. As you said, there is a USB connection cable that comes with the deck, but it for transferring files to and not from. There are no Minidisc readers you can hook up to the computer, much like the compact flash/SD disk readers you can find for cameras. At least, not that I have been able to locate. I get sounds off the Mindisc by hooking up a cable from the headphones out jack to the analog in of the computer. Then I use Peak to record. This box would probably be a better choice; http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500277.html Archos has several other models of MP3 recorder/players The best solution for the Mac user would be an iPod you could record to. This is not an option, yet. This site claims to show you how to record to the new iPod's via a hidden feature. http://www.ipoding.com/ modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1137 EM had a good article on field recording recently, and it covered various portable options including the Mindisc. It's on the web here; http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_going_wild/ Minidisc.org is a outstanding resource for info. www.minidisc.org On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 05:28 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > Last year there was some discussion of MiniDisc choices for field > recordings. Among those models mentioned were Sony MZ-N1, Sony > MDS-JE510, Sony MZ-R700, Sony MZ-R37, and Panasonic SJ-MR220. Some > people mentioned using Sony ECM-MS907 and ECM-DS70P microphones. > > Does anyone have any updates to this list? > > My personal interest is in something small but reasonable sturdy, for > note taking, interview recording, and general field recording. Ease of > file transfer to computer (Macintosh) would be a plus, but my > understanding is that most or all MiniDiscs that offer USB connection > support all transfer from computer to recorder only. > > I understand that Sony recorders to not permit changing of input > levels while recording, whereas Sharp recorders do. > > I've considered the Sony Sony MZ-B10 because of its built-in mic and > speaker. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- "It was only four tracks on the machine, but I was picking up twenty from the extra terrestrial squad." --Lee Scratch Perry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 00:07:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62460v25220; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:06:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F025CEE.E97958A8@erols.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:17:51 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg Kucharo wrote: > I've got a Sony MZ-R700 that works pretty well for me. However, Sony > does not make it easy to get data off the disc. As you said, there is a > USB connection cable that comes with the deck, but it for transferring > files to and not from. There are no Minidisc readers you can hook up to > the computer, much like the compact flash/SD disk readers you can find > for cameras. At least, not that I have been able to locate. I get > sounds off the Mindisc by hooking up a cable from the headphones out > jack to the analog in of the computer. Then I use Peak to record. > > This box would probably be a better choice; > > http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500277.html > > Archos has several other models of MP3 recorder/players > > The best solution for the Mac user would be an iPod you could record > to. This is not an option, yet. > > This site claims to show you how to record to the new iPod's via a > hidden feature. > > http://www.ipoding.com/ > modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1137 > > EM had a good article on field recording recently, and it covered > various portable options including the Mindisc. It's on the web here; > > http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_going_wild/ > > Minidisc.org is a outstanding resource for info. > > www.minidisc.org > > On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 05:28 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > > > Last year there was some discussion of MiniDisc choices for field > > recordings. Among those models mentioned were Sony MZ-N1, Sony > > MDS-JE510, Sony MZ-R700, Sony MZ-R37, and Panasonic SJ-MR220. Some > > people mentioned using Sony ECM-MS907 and ECM-DS70P microphones. > > > > Does anyone have any updates to this list? > > > > My personal interest is in something small but reasonable sturdy, for > > note taking, interview recording, and general field recording. Ease of > > file transfer to computer (Macintosh) would be a plus, but my > > understanding is that most or all MiniDiscs that offer USB connection > > support all transfer from computer to recorder only. > > > > I understand that Sony recorders to not permit changing of input > > levels while recording, whereas Sharp recorders do. > > > > I've considered the Sony Sony MZ-B10 because of its built-in mic and > > speaker. > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > "It was only four tracks on the machine, but I was picking up twenty > from the extra terrestrial squad." --Lee Scratch Perry On this topic. I'm interested in getting a very small inexpensive Minidisc recorder to tape live performances right from the board and then post them on my website. Any suggestions for that particular application? Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 00:09:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62461A25249; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:06:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:06:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702040555.23230.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > Last year there was some discussion of MiniDisc > choices for field > recordings. Among those models mentioned were Sony > MZ-N1, Sony > MDS-JE510, etc. For field recordings, better strike the 510 from the list; it's a full-sized, AC-powered deck! I've got one racked under a JE330; it generally performs well, but I can't recommend it due to the extremely fragile/flimsy loading mechanism. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 01:32:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h625ToI30729; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:29:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:46 PM -0700 7/1/03, Greg Kucharo wrote: >I've got a Sony MZ-R700 that works pretty well for me. So the pluses on this model are that it is cheap and small. What are the minuses? >This box would probably be a better choice; > >http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500277.html Good suggestion, though it weighs three times as much as the MZ-R700. Still, 12 ounces isn't too bad and the I/O capabilities are reasonably serious. I have no real reason to have a MiniDisc, put they do seem to be the smallest audio recorders with decent sound quality. >The best solution for the Mac user would be an iPod you could record to.... >This site claims to show you how to record to the new iPod's via a >hidden feature. > >http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1137 This method gives you just six seconds at a time. Not practical. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 01:53:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h625q4W32096; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:52:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:52:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F026DE6.2020406@iinet.net.au> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:30:14 +0800 From: not8ohm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030225 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-hk, en-au, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi richard, the panasonic sj-mr220 also suffers from not being able to change input levels whilst recording. another problem, which may be common to minidisc in general, is not being able to activate record from the remote in any way unless in record standby, forcing me to remove the unit from wherever it is being stored in order to start record after it has been stopped. (there are ways around this, such as only ever pausing recording, but a direct record on the remote would be more helpful). also, no direct digital transfer to PC from this unit. it is however, an extremely light, extremely small unit, and features a 24 bit ad converter for what it´s worth. after some use though I would have to recommend the use of a raw wave recorder for field recordings of any importance if possible, such as the creative jukebox, or portable dat. even on minumum compression there is noticeable degredation in certain frequencies (mostly the higher spectrum), which is a problem common to minidisc in general i´m led to believe. regards michael noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 01:59:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h625wVj32461; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:58:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:58:27 -0700 Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3341DA99-AC52-11D7-9210-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8QBvLC.A.E7H.HSnA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Minuses are the rotten uploading capabilities and a moderately poor interface for navigating the controls. Other than that, it sounds good and is pretty sturdy for road work. Battery power is also good, Max 16hour record time on LP4 mode with 1 AA. Here's a link to another review; http://www.minidisc.org/sony_mzr700_review.html On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 10:29 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 8:46 PM -0700 7/1/03, Greg Kucharo wrote: >> I've got a Sony MZ-R700 that works pretty well for me. > > So the pluses on this model are that it is cheap and small. What are > the minuses? > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- "Scientist: "How do we stand on fuel?" Crow: "I'm in favor of it." --- MST3K- Rocketship X-M" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 09:16:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62DD3T32320; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:13:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:13:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c3409b$7a071960$1cf15cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for June, 2003 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:11:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01C34079.E4AEFE80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C34079.E4AEFE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for June, 2003. Shows #324 to #327; 5-June-2003 to 26-June-2003 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST ALBUM TITLE = LABEL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Alpha Wave Movement A Distant Signal = HRR Austere Distance = none Eric W=F8llo Emotional Landscapes = Spotted Peccary Jeff Pearce To the Shores of Heaven = Hypnos Jeffrey Koepper Etherea = Air Space Joint Intelligence Committee Grow = Bogus Focus Jonn Serrie Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 = Miramar Larry Kucharz ComputerChoralGreenPrints = International Audiochrome Nostalgia Arcana Publicata Vilescunt = Relapse Paul Avgerinos Words Touch = none Robert Rich Temple of the Invisible = Soundscape Productions Saul Stokes Fields = Hypnos/Binary Steve Roach Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces-Mystic = Chords & Sacred Spaces Projekt Steve Roach Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces-Labyrinth = Projekt Steve Roach Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces-Pieces of = Infinity Projekt Steve Roach Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces-Recent = Future Projekt Synthetic Block Sonic Approach = Hypnos/Binary Various Artists Harmony with Ambience = Windfarm Various Artists sub.terra = The Foundry/Hypnos Vir Unis and James Johnson Perimeter II = AtmoWorks Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C34079.E4AEFE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for June, 2003.
Shows #324 to #327; = 5-June-2003 to 26-June-2003
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled = by Bill=20 Fox, billfox@fast.net
 
CONTACT:   billfox@fast.net
  &nbs= p;       =20 http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emu= sic
 

ARTIST         &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 ALBUM=20 TITLE           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 LABEL
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Alp= ha=20 Wave=20 Movement           = ; =20 A Distant=20 Signal           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;         =20 HRR
Austere          = ;            =   =20 Distance           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 none
Eric=20 W=F8llo           =           =20 Emotional=20 Landscapes          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;      =20 Spotted Peccary
Jeff=20 Pearce           &= nbsp;        =20 To the Shores of=20 Heaven           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 Hypnos
Jeffrey=20 Koepper           =      =20 Etherea           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;      =20 Air Space
Joint Intelligence Committee   =20 Grow           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =          =20 Bogus Focus
Jonn=20 Serrie           &= nbsp;        =20 Planetary Chronicles Volume=20 1            =             &= nbsp;       =20 Miramar
Larry=20 Kucharz           =        =20 ComputerChoralGreenPrints        =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;   =20 International=20 Audiochrome
Nostalgia        &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20 Arcana Publicata=20 Vilescunt          &nbs= p;            = ;            = =20 Relapse
Paul=20 Avgerinos          &nbs= p;      =20 Words=20 Touch           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 none
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;        =20 Temple of the=20 Invisible          &nbs= p;            = ;            =    =20 Soundscape Productions
Saul=20 Stokes           &= nbsp;        =20 Fields           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;       =20 Hypnos/Binary
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;        =20 Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces-Mystic Chords & Sacred = Spaces  =20 Projekt
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;        =20 Mystic Chords & Sacred=20 Spaces-Labyrinth         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;=20 Projekt
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;        =20 Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces-Pieces of=20 Infinity           = ;  =20 Projekt
Steve=20 Roach           &n= bsp;        =20 Mystic Chords & Sacred Spaces-Recent=20 Future           &= nbsp;      =20 Projekt
Synthetic=20 Block           &n= bsp;    =20 Sonic=20 Approach           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           =20 Hypnos/Binary
Various=20 Artists           =      =20 Harmony with=20 Ambience           = ;            =             &= nbsp;    =20 Windfarm
Various=20 Artists           =      =20 sub.terra          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;    =20 The Foundry/Hypnos
Vir Unis and James = Johnson     =20 Perimeter=20 II            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;=20 AtmoWorks
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C34079.E4AEFE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 10:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62ELNT05530; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:21:21 +0200 Subject: BERLIN LIVE LOOPING MEETING From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3140007681_105438_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <19XiTv-1G7XSC0@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: Vg-9zvZSZeN3N5tfalE3kgk1QyNORhTzbI2xpPdG4YubYWmkGjn8kr@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3140007681_105438_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi everybody, our first humble loop metting is taking place this Friday, July 4th at the WABE (Danziger Str. 101) in the world famous Prenzlauer Berg Kiez - the place to be from 8 p.m. til midnight! Rick Walker (perc), Matthias Grob (g), Michael Peters (performing on something like radios?!?), looping vocalist Michael Schiefel and myself (on gtr.) will be appearing, with Leander Reininghaus mixing, organising and MC'ing the whole thing. Lutz Heidlindemann from Berlin's Guitar Doc store will set up an EDP booth. If you are hanging around these woods this weekend, drop by and have fun! Andreas Willers --MS_Mac_OE_3140007681_105438_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable BERLIN LIVE LOOPING MEETING Hi everybody,

our first humble loop metting is taking place this Friday, July 4th at the = WABE (Danziger Str. 101) in the world famous Prenzlauer Berg Kiez - the plac= e to be from 8 p.m. til midnight!

Rick Walker (perc), Matthias Grob (g), Michael Peters (performing on someth= ing like radios?!?), looping vocalist Michael Schiefel and myself (on gtr.) = will be appearing, with Leander Reininghaus mixing, organising and MC'ing th= e whole thing. Lutz Heidlindemann from Berlin's Guitar Doc store will set up= an EDP booth.

If you are hanging around these woods this weekend, drop by and have fun!
Andreas Willers

 --MS_Mac_OE_3140007681_105438_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 10:43:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62Ed5K06990; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:39:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:39:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 07:40:28 -0700 Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200A95A6-AC9B-11D7-8D66-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Richard, I've been using a sharp MT-770 for field recording with good results. Pluses are - good sound quality decent battery life adjustable recording volume Since I do not use a computer for music production at this time, I am not sure what the best method to transfer music might be. I believe that their is a USB option. If I'm not mistaken you are a Mac user, so one method of transfer would be to run the headphone out directly into your Mac. Another option would be to buy a stand alone home unit to connect to your audio system/ computer. The advantage here is that most home units offer better output options. I'm using the Sony model JE470. I think that this model cost less than $200.00. The advantage of this system is, that you can simply take your recorded minidisc and pop it into a audio system. This set-up will allow you to bypass such things as headphones and the need to interface the remote unit with your main system. You might give this link a try. http://minidisco.com/ Good luck. joe On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 05:28 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > Last year there was some discussion of MiniDisc choices for field > recordings. Among those models mentioned were Sony MZ-N1, Sony > MDS-JE510, Sony MZ-R700, Sony MZ-R37, and Panasonic SJ-MR220. Some > people mentioned using Sony ECM-MS907 and ECM-DS70P microphones. > > Does anyone have any updates to this list? > > My personal interest is in something small but reasonable sturdy, for > note taking, interview recording, and general field recording. Ease of > file transfer to computer (Macintosh) would be a plus, but my > understanding is that most or all MiniDiscs that offer USB connection > support all transfer from computer to recorder only. > > I understand that Sony recorders to not permit changing of input > levels while recording, whereas Sharp recorders do. > > I've considered the Sony Sony MZ-B10 because of its built-in mic and > speaker. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 11:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62F4tq09338; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: BERLIN LIVE LOOPING MEETING Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:04:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <19XiTv-1G7XSC0@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW-- Wish I had enough money to drop everything and catch a flight to Germany (oops--no passport). This truly sounds like a great lineup! Nothing like advance notice--not that I could have attended anyway. Independence thru loops (democracy in action), Gary -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Willers [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:21 AM To: LD to post Subject: BERLIN LIVE LOOPING MEETING Hi everybody, our first humble loop metting is taking place this Friday, July 4th at the WABE (Danziger Str. 101) in the world famous Prenzlauer Berg Kiez - the place to be from 8 p.m. til midnight! Rick Walker (perc), Matthias Grob (g), Michael Peters (performing on something like radios?!?), looping vocalist Michael Schiefel and myself (on gtr.) will be appearing, with Leander Reininghaus mixing, organising and MC'ing the whole thing. Lutz Heidlindemann from Berlin's Guitar Doc store will set up an EDP booth. If you are hanging around these woods this weekend, drop by and have fun! Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 11:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62FOm410995; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:24:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702152446.24236.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: The Loop.pooL in Paris. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: re: Rick's tour diary > Been there done that (off list). Rick mentions two factors mainly-- > poor availability of internet access on the road in EU and that he is > busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy. Feature that. > He says > he had some dates "fall through" but some others spontaneously > appear as well. But the tour goes on and (I suppose) he'll get to > the "diary" eventually . . . as soon as he is humanly able (I'd guess). > Think of it as a good sign. He' gigging around the "old country" and > must be having one heck of a good time. Sounds like a bang up > success to me anyway. Awesome! I'm glad to hear it's going well for him. I was just hoping for those regular updates, y'know? It's always fun to read about someone's adventures. Like the mixerman saga. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 11:33:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62FUn111482; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702153047.19727.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 8:46 PM -0700 7/1/03, Greg Kucharo wrote: > >This box would probably be a better choice; > > > >http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500277.html > > Good suggestion, though it weighs three times as much as the MZ-R700. > Still, 12 ounces isn't too bad and the I/O capabilities are > reasonably serious. The Archos boxes contain a small form factor hard drive. My question is how much noise they make in operation. That could be a factor in a quiet recording situation. I've used a small Sony MD recorder before and it didn't have any issues. The only sounds it made were when it was loading a new disc, finding track marks, etc. Has anyone here used the Archos box? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 12:42:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62GdL918114; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:39:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:39:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:39:17 -0700 Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030702153047.19727.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been looking for moderately related recording hardware: I'd like to find something that would take an SPDIF input (preferably at better than 16-bits), record it, and then provide an easy way to transfer the results back to a computer (Mac). I've been thinking of getting something like the ART DI/O box as a converter but I then need to go the next step on recording. It would mean living with 16-bit, but I've considered CD-R recorders. Does anyone have feedback on those? Portability would be nice but isn't vital. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:08:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62H64Y20419; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:06:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:06:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702170558.32795.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm setting up a looping rig for a vocalist which will include a Line6 Echo Pro. Line6 recently gave their website a facelift, so not all of the pages are available (including the 'Studio Modelers Deep Dive' info page); I've attempted to navigate the manual but it's pretty slow going in Acrobat, and I won't have the hardcopy until the unit arrives from eBayland. What I'd really like to know is: with the Echo Pro, is there any provision for using a very basic footcontroller without having to configure a large, bulky MIDI controller? The vocalist I'm setting this up for is used to the DL4's interface, but is not at all keen on the idea of programming anything; she'd really like to have a very simple interface with a small footprint to access DL4-like functions. (It's not that she's a Luddite or anything, but...) Any ideas? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:16:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62HDto21305; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:13:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:13:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702171353.53615.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: minidisc stuff To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a couple thoughts... -- there are no MD players that allow you transfer files from the MD to the computer as data. this is because Sony invented and controls MD technology, and they are super-adamant on preventing file sharing from happening, as their music/media divisions pay for much of the rest of the company to run. -- the cleanest way to get MD to the computer now is digital audio output. however, as far as I know no portable units have digital outputs (Sony are bastards!). I had to fork up $400 for a new desktop component unit just to get that digital output. then I run that into my M-Audio Dio24/96 card with TOSlink digital input. if you just want to buy a portable unit however, you'll be stuck with just analog transfer from the MD to the computer. (However, most portables do have a digital input with a proprietary cable. digi input to a unit that has data compression, but no digi outs? Sony is clueless.) -- portable HD recorders are on the way. by next year there probably will be many options of good quality for tapers. http://www.soundprofessionals.com has one option already available for pre-order i believe, but it's about $2000. very nice though, with built in XLR pre-amps, phantom power, and a hard drive. -- for DAT, HD recorders, good mics, etc. go to http://www.soundprofessionals.com -- for MD stuff, try http://www.minidisco.com i've bought there consistently and like working with them, they even sell cool import stuff. -- i agree, the sharp MDs i think are cooler. usually easier to use, with easily adjustable input levels. PLUS, some of the new sonys have line inputs but no mic inputs!! how lame is that. check minidisco for the newest sharp units, i'd say. -- I've heard the Nomad Jukebox by creative labs has a line input. not good enough quality for hi-fi concert taping, but for home/note-taking use it'd work, and you can transfer as data to the computer. hope this helps! - dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:24:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62HMiH22180; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:22:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702172243.45721.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:22:43 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: minidisc stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a couple thoughts... -- there are no MD players that allow you transfer files from the MD to the computer as data. this is because Sony invented and controls MD technology, and they are super-adamant on preventing file sharing from happening, as their music/media divisions pay for much of the rest of the company to run. -- the cleanest way to get MD to the computer now is digital audio output. however, as far as I know no portable units have digital outputs (Sony are bastards!). I had to fork up $400 for a new desktop component unit just to get that digital output. then I run that into my M-Audio Dio24/96 card with TOSlink digital input. if you just want to buy a portable unit however, you'll be stuck with just analog transfer from the MD to the computer. (However, most portables do have a digital input with a proprietary cable. digi input to a unit that has data compression, but no digi outs? Sony is clueless.) -- portable HD recorders are on the way. by next year there probably will be many options of good quality for tapers. http://www.soundprofessionals.com has one option already available for pre-order i believe, but it's about $2000. very nice though, with built in XLR pre-amps, phantom power, and a hard drive. -- for DAT, HD recorders, good mics, etc. go to http://www.soundprofessionals.com -- for MD stuff, try http://www.minidisco.com i've bought there consistently and like working with them, they even sell cool import stuff. -- i agree, the sharp MDs i think are cooler. usually easier to use, with easily adjustable input levels. PLUS, some of the new sonys have line inputs but no mic inputs!! how lame is that. check minidisco for the newest sharp units, i'd say. -- I've heard the Nomad Jukebox by creative labs has a line input. not good enough quality for hi-fi concert taping, but for home/note-taking use it'd work, and you can transfer as data to the computer. hope this helps! - dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:39:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62HaSN23903; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:36:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:36:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:36:22 -0700 Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <7SoS1C.A.X1F.cgxA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I came to the realization awhile back that a portable DAT is really the only way to go at the moment. Unfortunately it is also the most expensive way. On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 09:39 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I've been looking for moderately related recording hardware: I'd like > to > find something that would take an SPDIF input (preferably at better > than > 16-bits), record it, and then provide an easy way to transfer the > results > back to a computer (Mac). I've been thinking of getting something like > the > ART DI/O box as a converter but I then need to go the next step on > recording. > > It would mean living with 16-bit, but I've considered CD-R recorders. > Does > anyone have feedback on those? > > Portability would be nice but isn't vital. > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------- "This delicious meal has a flat trajectory and a muzzle velocity of 2400 feet per second." -MST3k-Dr. Forrester. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:43:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62Heuf24546; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702174050.49056.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702170558.32795.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > What I'd really like to know is: with the Echo Pro, > is there any provision for using a very basic > footcontroller without having to configure a large, > bulky MIDI controller? And anticipating what I'm afraid will be the answer, the next question is: Can anyone recommend a very small, very inexpensive MIDI pedal? It doesn't need to be full-featured; I'm pretty sure it only needs to do program change. (?) (The good news is that I'm getting her DL4 as a hand-me-down. However, if I can't sell her on the midi footcontroller concept *I'm* keeping the Echo Pro and she's keeping the DL4! Win/win!) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62HflN24626; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702174145.31780.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702170558.32795.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The unit already comes setup to operate the looper with midi programs change - 101 - 109 Check out Apendix A.2 in the manual ( not sure if the pdf has this) --- Tim Nelson wrote: > I'm setting up a looping rig for a vocalist which > will > include a Line6 Echo Pro. > > Line6 recently gave their website a facelift, so not > all of the pages are available (including the > 'Studio > Modelers Deep Dive' info page); I've attempted to > navigate the manual but it's pretty slow going in > Acrobat, and I won't have the hardcopy until the > unit > arrives from eBayland. > > What I'd really like to know is: with the Echo Pro, > is > there any provision for using a very basic > footcontroller without having to configure a large, > bulky MIDI controller? The vocalist I'm setting this > up for is used to the DL4's interface, but is not at > all keen on the idea of programming anything; she'd > really like to have a very simple interface with a > small footprint to access DL4-like functions. (It's > not that she's a Luddite or anything, but...) > > Any ideas? > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:45:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62HhYq24908; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:43:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702174333.653.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:43:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702174050.49056.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a midi wizard which I believe now is called Midi Buddy by Rolls. Tech 21 (i believe) has that 2 button controller (midi mouse?) if you don't mind paging up and down for program changes. --- Tim Nelson wrote: > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > What I'd really like to know is: with the Echo > Pro, > > is there any provision for using a very basic > > footcontroller without having to configure a > large, > > bulky MIDI controller? > > And anticipating what I'm afraid will be the answer, > the next question is: Can anyone recommend a very > small, very inexpensive MIDI pedal? It doesn't need > to > be full-featured; I'm pretty sure it only needs to > do > program change. (?) > > (The good news is that I'm getting her DL4 as a > hand-me-down. However, if I can't sell her on the > midi > footcontroller concept *I'm* keeping the Echo Pro > and > she's keeping the DL4! Win/win!) > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:51:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62HnAZ25534; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:49:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:49:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4045248.1057168148695.JavaMail.nobody@scooter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:49:08 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MD units don't have digital out because the audio is stored in a compressed, proprietary format. If you had digital out, you'd end up with ATRAC data, which doesn't do you much good, since I'm unaware of a program that can read ATRAC format. Considering the compression going on during the recording process, I don't think you should really sweat doing another A/D step to get it into your computer. MD is an inexpensive consumer format. If you're going to get all picky about digital audio quality, at least get a DAT. TravisH ******** Someone said: -- there are no MD players that allow you transfer files from the MD to the computer as data. this is because Sony invented and controls MD technology, and they are super-adamant on preventing file sharing from happening, as their music/media divisions pay for much of the rest of the company to run. -- the cleanest way to get MD to the computer now is digital audio output. however, as far as I know no portable units have digital outputs (Sony are bastards!). I had to fork up $400 for a new desktop component unit just to get that digital output. then I run that into my M-Audio Dio24/96 card with TOSlink digital input. if you just want to buy a portable unit however, you'll be stuck with just analog transfer from the MD to the computer. (However, most portables do have a digital input with a proprietary cable. digi input to a unit that has data compression, but no digi outs? Sony is clueless.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:54:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62Hqk025905; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:52:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:52:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:52:40 -0700 Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amusingly enough, and quite frightening if you ask me. Xitel has just released, (on the 30th to be exact), a new cable to let you transfer back *and* forth between a PC and MD. Unfortunately, the software looks to be Windows only but it may not be needed. http://www.xitel.com/product_mdpio.htm So thanks to the good Dr. Zvonar for bringing this subject up, as it appears to have been all that was required to get companies to do our bidding! On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 09:39 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I've been looking for moderately related recording hardware: I'd like > to > find something that would take an SPDIF input (preferably at better > than > 16-bits), record it, and then provide an easy way to transfer the > results > back to a computer (Mac). I've been thinking of getting something like > the > ART DI/O box as a converter but I then need to go the next step on > recording. > > It would mean living with 16-bit, but I've considered CD-R recorders. > Does > anyone have feedback on those? > > Portability would be nice but isn't vital. > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ "Tuesdays are human sacrifice day at the Sizzler." -MST3K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 13:57:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62Hsxa26299; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:54:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:54:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702175453.83566.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702174145.31780.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5Aga-B.A.zaG.yxxA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Squid Loop wrote: > The unit already comes setup to operate the looper > with midi programs change - 101 - 109 Well, that's just it: she doesn't have a midi footcontroller and was under the impression that the Echo Pro 1) comes with a footcontroller, and 2) this imaginary footcontroller looks a lot like the FB4, ie. small and simple. Telling her there's more stuff to buy does not make me popular at the moment. It was bad enough getting her to control the RPS-10's pitch shift with a keyboard; she's classically trained and ten times better than I am on keyboards, but she really doesn't want to have to deal with setting one up onstage, to play or to use as a controller. -t- ps: still though, I realize there're a lot worse things to be arguing about with one's significant other than what hardware to use to control her looping device! ;-) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 14:08:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62I5NY27221; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702180521.85525.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:05:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702175453.83566.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6kV1LC.A.LpG.j7xA_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OH I miss read your post. I thought you were asking how easy it was to setup a controller to work with the Echo pro. > It was bad enough getting her to control the > RPS-10's > pitch shift with a keyboard; she's classically > trained > and ten times better than I am on keyboards, but she > really doesn't want to have to deal with setting one > up onstage, to play or to use as a controller. > Depending on what she would be doing the Midi Mouse has 2 buttons (a third for pageing) that could start the loop and overdub the loop unless she gets crazy with half speed and reverse you may want to look into it. And it's not so scary looking :) http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2003070213033441&menu=&keyword=&item=TEC+MOUSE __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 14:18:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62IGFF28283; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:16:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:16:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030702111411.018ba550@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 11:17:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options In-Reply-To: <20030702180521.85525.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030702175453.83566.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's also the small 5 footswitch Axess electronics controller: http://www.axess-electronics.com/_mfc5.htm At 11:05 AM 2003/07/02 -0700, Squid Loop wrote: >Depending on what she would be doing the Midi Mouse >has 2 buttons (a third for pageing) that could start >the loop and overdub the loop unless she gets crazy >with half speed and reverse you may want to look into >it. And it's not so scary looking :) > >http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2003070213033441&menu=&keyword=&item=TEC+MOUSE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 14:31:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62IOuW30105; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:24:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:24:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702182450.91282.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702174333.653.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Squid Loop wrote: > I use a midi wizard which I believe now is called > Midi Buddy by Rolls. Tech 21 (i believe) has that 2 > button controller (midi mouse?) if you don't mind >paging up and down for program changes. Nah, paging up and down would be a pain for the functions she needs. It looks like they're all pretty much there between 101 and 109: 101 Looper Rec/play/stop/play/stop 102 Looper Rec/stop/play/stop/play 103 Looper record only 104 Looper overdub only 105 Looper stop only 106 Looper play/stop 107 Looper play once 108 Looper half speed 109 Looper reverse If I recall the DL4's functions correctly, the buttons on the DL4 (from left to right) would combine some of these: First on left: 103 AND 104 (is this the same as 101?) Second: 106 Third: 107 Far right: 108 AND 109 Hmmm..... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 14:36:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62IXxC00413; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:33:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:33:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702183357.39618.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702182450.91282.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes - that's why I recomended the tech 21 -- since you could start / stop record with one button and start / stop overdub with the other -- but the controller Sean recommended seems a bit more interesting. --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > If I recall the DL4's functions correctly, the > buttons > on the DL4 (from left to right) would combine some > of > these: > First on left: 103 AND 104 (is this the same as > 101?) > Second: 106 > Third: 107 > Far right: 108 AND 109 > > Hmmm..... > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 14:37:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62IZZ400639; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:35:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702183533.85125.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702183357.39618.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ouch - Nevermind about that axess controller -- $220 !!! --- Squid Loop wrote: > Yes - that's why I recomended the tech 21 -- since > you > could start / stop record with one button and start > / > stop overdub with the other -- but the controller > Sean > recommended seems a bit more interesting. > > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > If I recall the DL4's functions correctly, the > > buttons > > on the DL4 (from left to right) would combine some > > of > > these: > > First on left: 103 AND 104 (is this the same as > > 101?) > > Second: 106 > > Third: 107 > > Far right: 108 AND 109 > > > > Hmmm..... > > > > -t- > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 14:44:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62IaAS00729; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:36:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:36:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702183604.76826.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702182450.91282.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, it's more than I need, but I know some of you have mentioned trying to find a Mitigator; there's one on eBay right now! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 14:56:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62IpcT02219; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702185133.97369.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:51:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030702183604.76826.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any opinions on the Digitech Control Seven? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 15:03:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62J1GC03447; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:01:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030702174333.653.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8A75B4FE-ACBF-11D7-BBB6-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, the MIDI buddy and MIDI wizard were different animals, not sure what the differences were though... I think the MIDI wizard has more buttons. I hated mine and got rid of it. Mark On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 10:43 AM, Squid Loop wrote: > I use a midi wizard which I believe now is called Midi > Buddy by Rolls. Tech 21 (i believe) has that 2 button > controller (midi mouse?) if you don't mind paging up > and down for program changes. > > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: >> --- Tim Nelson wrote: >>> What I'd really like to know is: with the Echo >> Pro, >>> is there any provision for using a very basic >>> footcontroller without having to configure a >> large, >>> bulky MIDI controller? >> >> And anticipating what I'm afraid will be the answer, >> the next question is: Can anyone recommend a very >> small, very inexpensive MIDI pedal? It doesn't need >> to >> be full-featured; I'm pretty sure it only needs to >> do >> program change. (?) >> >> (The good news is that I'm getting her DL4 as a >> hand-me-down. However, if I can't sell her on the >> midi >> footcontroller concept *I'm* keeping the Echo Pro >> and >> she's keeping the DL4! Win/win!) >> >> -t- >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 15:16:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62JD3e04678; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:13:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:13:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702191302.7974.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8A75B4FE-ACBF-11D7-BBB6-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Wizard is programmable and the Buddy isn't I believe is the difference. What didn't you like about the Wizard? --- mark wrote: > No, the MIDI buddy and MIDI wizard were different > animals, not sure > what the differences were though... I think the MIDI > wizard has more > buttons. I hated mine and got rid of it. > > Mark > > On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 10:43 AM, Squid Loop > wrote: > > > I use a midi wizard which I believe now is called > Midi > > Buddy by Rolls. Tech 21 (i believe) has that 2 > button > > controller (midi mouse?) if you don't mind paging > up > > and down for program changes. > > > > > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > >> --- Tim Nelson wrote: > >>> What I'd really like to know is: with the Echo > >> Pro, > >>> is there any provision for using a very basic > >>> footcontroller without having to configure a > >> large, > >>> bulky MIDI controller? > >> > >> And anticipating what I'm afraid will be the > answer, > >> the next question is: Can anyone recommend a very > >> small, very inexpensive MIDI pedal? It doesn't > need > >> to > >> be full-featured; I'm pretty sure it only needs > to > >> do > >> program change. (?) > >> > >> (The good news is that I'm getting her DL4 as a > >> hand-me-down. However, if I can't sell her on the > >> midi > >> footcontroller concept *I'm* keeping the Echo Pro > >> and > >> she's keeping the DL4! Win/win!) > >> > >> -t- > >> > >> __________________________________ > >> Do you Yahoo!? > >> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > >> http://sbc.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 15:18:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62JGSq05030; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:16:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:16:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: BERLIN LIVE LOOPING MEETING Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:16:18 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000601c340ce$6ba10060$a51d6dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C340DF.2F29D060" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19XiTv-1G7XSC0@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C340DF.2F29D060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope you will all have a geat night! Wish I could be threre :-) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com Hi everybody, our first humble loop metting is taking place this Friday, July 4th at the WABE (Danziger Str. 101) in the world famous Prenzlauer Berg Kiez - the place to be from 8 p.m. til midnight! Rick Walker (perc), Matthias Grob (g), Michael Peters (performing on something like radios?!?), looping vocalist Michael Schiefel and myself (on gtr.) will be appearing, with Leander Reininghaus mixing, organising and MC'ing the whole thing. Lutz Heidlindemann from Berlin's Guitar Doc store will set up an EDP booth. If you are hanging around these woods this weekend, drop by and have fun! Andreas Willers ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C340DF.2F29D060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C340DF.2F29D060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 15:53:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62JnMV08246; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:49:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:49:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030702191302.7974.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <42A79046-ACC6-11D7-BBB6-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't exactly remember, but I do remember rage was involved.... something stupid like it wouldn't transmit on any channel but 1... though I'm not sure. Mark On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Squid Loop wrote: > The Wizard is programmable and the Buddy isn't I > believe is the difference. > > What didn't you like about the Wizard? > > > --- mark wrote: >> No, the MIDI buddy and MIDI wizard were different >> animals, not sure >> what the differences were though... I think the MIDI >> wizard has more >> buttons. I hated mine and got rid of it. >> >> Mark >> >> On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 10:43 AM, Squid Loop >> wrote: >> >>> I use a midi wizard which I believe now is called >> Midi >>> Buddy by Rolls. Tech 21 (i believe) has that 2 >> button >>> controller (midi mouse?) if you don't mind paging >> up >>> and down for program changes. >>> >>> >>> --- Tim Nelson wrote: >>>> --- Tim Nelson wrote: >>>>> What I'd really like to know is: with the Echo >>>> Pro, >>>>> is there any provision for using a very basic >>>>> footcontroller without having to configure a >>>> large, >>>>> bulky MIDI controller? >>>> >>>> And anticipating what I'm afraid will be the >> answer, >>>> the next question is: Can anyone recommend a very >>>> small, very inexpensive MIDI pedal? It doesn't >> need >>>> to >>>> be full-featured; I'm pretty sure it only needs >> to >>>> do >>>> program change. (?) >>>> >>>> (The good news is that I'm getting her DL4 as a >>>> hand-me-down. However, if I can't sell her on the >>>> midi >>>> footcontroller concept *I'm* keeping the Echo Pro >>>> and >>>> she's keeping the DL4! Win/win!) >>>> >>>> -t- >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >>>> http://sbc.yahoo.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >>> http://sbc.yahoo.com >>> >> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 15:58:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62JuNx08830; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:56:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:55:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options In-Reply-To: <20030702175453.83566.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030702174145.31780.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2003 19:56:22.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[02DFED60:01C340D4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Sounds like you've got a bid of a problem, coz you really can't opperate it with your feet without a MIDI foot controller of some kind. What you can do is opperate it by hand using front panel buttons, and a tap tempo from a standard momentary footswitch + control over parameters with the pedal but not looper control. The MIDI Mouse does look simple but it does involve scrolling through patches until you get to the one you want. But given the 2 prog change idea, this could work. You never know, once she realises the potential of more control she might get into it!. Ian. At 18:54 02/07/03 , you wrote: > >--- Squid Loop wrote: >> The unit already comes setup to operate the looper >> with midi programs change - 101 - 109 > >Well, that's just it: she doesn't have a midi >footcontroller and was under the impression that the >Echo Pro 1) comes with a footcontroller, and 2) this >imaginary footcontroller looks a lot like the FB4, ie. >small and simple. Telling her there's more stuff to >buy does not make me popular at the moment. > >It was bad enough getting her to control the RPS-10's >pitch shift with a keyboard; she's classically trained >and ten times better than I am on keyboards, but she >really doesn't want to have to deal with setting one >up onstage, to play or to use as a controller. > >-t- > >ps: still though, I realize there're a lot worse >things to be arguing about with one's significant >other than what hardware to use to control her looping >device! ;-) > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 15:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62JuOi08857; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:56:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:56:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:58:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options In-Reply-To: <20030702183604.76826.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030702182450.91282.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2003 19:56:23.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[03B8E840:01C340D4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, after much helpful advice last year, have got hold of a secondhand Philip Reese MIDI Foot controller I've had it built into a longer box to space out the switches and it only has 5 switches and once programmed, is great - worth looking out for a used one. Ian. At 19:36 02/07/03 , you wrote: >Hey, it's more than I need, but I know some of you >have mentioned trying to find a Mitigator; there's one >on eBay right now! > ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2540849418&category=2 2669> > >-t- > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 16:52:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62KoZ714011; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030702164928.014114e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: tarjason@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:50:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Jason J. Tar" Subject: Digital Out on MD In-Reply-To: <200307021959.h62JxpY09484@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:59 PM 7/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >MD units don't have digital out because the audio is stored in a >compressed, proprietary format. If you had digital out, you'd end up with >ATRAC data, which doesn't do you much good, since I'm unaware of a program >that can read ATRAC format. Incorrect, as home units do have digital outputs. Just the portables that lack digital out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 18:42:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62MdR522701; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:39:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:39:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:37:07 -0400 Subject: CT Project: Acoustic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: psychle62@yahoo.com From: Jeffrey Lomas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, This is a great disc!!! Thanks for turning me onto it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 18:43:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62Mfe422788; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:41:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:41:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030702164928.014114e0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Digital Out on MD Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:41:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2003 22:41:34.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[16D2ECC0:01C340EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a portable one here in the office with a digital out. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason J. Tar" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: Digital Out on MD > At 03:59 PM 7/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >MD units don't have digital out because the audio is stored in a > >compressed, proprietary format. If you had digital out, you'd end up with > >ATRAC data, which doesn't do you much good, since I'm unaware of a program > >that can read ATRAC format. > > Incorrect, as home units do have digital outputs. Just the portables that > lack digital out. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 18:58:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62Mtxj23618; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:55:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2003 22:55:53.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[170B7700:01C340ED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://www.xitel.com/product_mdpio.htm > from the site: "It's optical output provides a pure digital pathway for recording from PC to MiniDisc, while it's analog input allows you to record from the headphone output on your MiniDisc back into your computer in high fidelity. " Not really a true *2 way digital* system to and from the MD. you _could_ do the same with the line-in jack on your soundcard. I have avoided minidisc completely for two reasons: really poor sound quality (the compression scheme just plain sounds really bad to my ears) and there's no way to get a digital copy out of the device. This is just plain stubborn design and I'm not willing to support a company that does that. Maybe consider a small portable DAT walkman - many of those have 2-way digital, with an on-board pre-amp which will do the trick nicely. maybe this is too expensive though. Or I have heard that some mp3 players can record .wav files on the fly (Nomad??) - which sounds pretty cool. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 18:59:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62MwI823733; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:58:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030702225817.62318.qmail@web21503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Digital Out on MD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4W-oOB.A.tyF.KO2A_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how about a model number? --- sserendipity wrote: > I've got a portable one here in the office with a > digital out. > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a > dated d&b loop with some > Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically > or talent wise, and I > could do better with a cassette deck and a > microphone." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason J. Tar" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:50 PM > Subject: Digital Out on MD > > > > At 03:59 PM 7/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >MD units don't have digital out because the audio > is stored in a > > >compressed, proprietary format. If you had > digital out, you'd end up > with > > >ATRAC data, which doesn't do you much good, since > I'm unaware of a > program > > >that can read ATRAC format. > > > > Incorrect, as home units do have digital outputs. > Just the portables that > > lack digital out. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 19:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62MxOA23862; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:59:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:59:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030702164928.014114e0@pilot.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:49:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Digital Out on MD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:41 PM -0700 7/2/03, sserendipity wrote: >I've got a portable one here in the office with a digital out. What model? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 19:44:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h62Ngkd27177; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:42:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:42:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030702164928.014114e0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Digital Out on MD Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:42:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2003 23:42:39.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FDA99C0:01C340F3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I spoke too soon. It's a line in, not a line out. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Digital Out on MD > At 3:41 PM -0700 7/2/03, sserendipity wrote: > >I've got a portable one here in the office with a digital out. > > What model? > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 20:05:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6303If28963; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:03:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:03:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <29cd01c340f6$80fc80b0$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 17:03:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Or I have heard that some mp3 players can record .wav > files on the fly (Nomad??) - which sounds pretty cool. Funny you should mention that ... I purchased a Creative Labs Nomad Jukebox 3 MP3 player/recorder to replace my Sony MD MZ-N1 minidisc. The Nomad 3 has a shared optical/line-in jack that can be used for recording. It can record in .WAV (11, 44.1, 48 kHz) or MP3 (64, 96, 128, 160, 192, 256, 320 kbps) formats. NOTE, the newer "Zen" models do not have a line-in or recording capabilties. You can use supplied "Creative Playcenter 3" software to move files back and forth to your computer. There is also a 3rd party piece of software by Red Chair Software called Notmad Explorer which is worth checking out (http://www.redchairsoftware.com/notmad/) My impression is that the AD converters aren't as good in the Nomad as they are in the Sony MDs, but right now being able to easily drag-'n-drop WAV/MP3 recordings around is much more compelling to me than minor sound quality differences. I now use a small outboard Behringer mixing board, so the recording quality is comparable. Did I get rid of my MD? Well, no. It is smaller and easier to just hook up a stereo mic for recording ... I keep it in my bag for times when I want to do some quick recording, but then I regret it when I have to transfer back to my PC. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 20:06:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6304au29105; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.d15b814.2c34cd08@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:04:24 EDT Subject: Re: MiniDisc suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Zoom PS02 the palmtop studio satisfies the requirements of silence (completely) and portability. It has a good software interface for moving files to and from computer (mac or pc) and recorder, you just need a smart media card reader. Cards have come way down in price and the PS02 has been seen for around $179. I would put recording quality at *fair*. It has 1/4" jack plus an aux in for stereo miniplug and built in mic. I would probably use a small acoustic preamp and a durable mic with a known pattern for directionality. It is mostly configured for guitar, lots of amp models etc. that are unnecessary. Not recommended for field recording if you want pro-quality stereo recording. But dang, it is incredibly portable and easy to use. anyway, another option BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 21:01:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h630xMg32688; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c340fe$5347ef80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20030702175453.83566.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:59:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-xpf_C.A.o-H.q_3A_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The G-Major comes with a tiny little MIDI footcontroller called the G-Minor. I have one and don't use it, so I'm willing to take offers. I honestly don't know much about it's functionality, but I could bust it open and read the manual if you're interested. On a side note - I've been VERY interested in controlling the pitch shift on my RPS-10 using a keyboard. I had been searching for a Doepfer MCV4 MIDI to CV converter, but they are elusive. What keyboard are you using in her setup? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options > > --- Squid Loop wrote: > > The unit already comes setup to operate the looper > > with midi programs change - 101 - 109 > > Well, that's just it: she doesn't have a midi > footcontroller and was under the impression that the > Echo Pro 1) comes with a footcontroller, and 2) this > imaginary footcontroller looks a lot like the FB4, ie. > small and simple. Telling her there's more stuff to > buy does not make me popular at the moment. > > It was bad enough getting her to control the RPS-10's > pitch shift with a keyboard; she's classically trained > and ten times better than I am on keyboards, but she > really doesn't want to have to deal with setting one > up onstage, to play or to use as a controller. > > -t- > > ps: still though, I realize there're a lot worse > things to be arguing about with one's significant > other than what hardware to use to control her looping > device! ;-) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 2 21:35:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h631SWa02991; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030703012826.80981.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008801c340fe$5347ef80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Doug Cox wrote: > On a side note - I've been VERY interested in > controlling the pitch shift on > my RPS-10 using a keyboard... What keyboard > are you using in her setup? Haven't settled on that yet; the manual specs that "the ideal keyboard sound is that with a simple waveform (sine, triangle, or square), a short attack time and a long release time" with a range "wider than C5 (523.25Hz) to C7 (2093Hz)", preferably monophonic. (A polyphonic keyboard will work, but if you play more than one key at a time you'll confuse the RPS-10). My SHS-101 would work, but I really don't feel like using it for a controller. I've got an RS-09 that's not being used that would work, or maybe a Casio or Yamaha portable; we're gonna experiment with some of my circuit-bending stash. Originally, I'd planned on using a micro-keyboard that would fit inside a rack space, but I'm not sure I can find one with a wide enough range. I used it in my larger rack for a long time, but I just turned the knob manually; attaching a keyboard for pitch shift control disables the Pitch and Pitch Fine knobs... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 01:08:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6356ik19462; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 01:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 01:06:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Loop IV editor? Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 01:06:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c34120$e88a6a10$1d2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone ever come out with a stand alone EDP LoopIV editor for PC? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 02:51:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h636mW625002; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:48:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:48:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F03D170.9040403@quik.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:47:12 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options References: <20030702185133.97369.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030702185133.97369.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > Any opinions on the Digitech Control Seven? Yes, avoid it. It's not friendly to use with the echo pro. (I traded mine for the rfx midi buddy...) DG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 02:56:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h636laE24899; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:47:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:47:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F03D13A.4020903@quik.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:46:18 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options References: <20030702174050.49056.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030702174050.49056.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <56DWzB.A.7EG.IG9A_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > >>What I'd really like to know is: with the Echo Pro, >>is there any provision for using a very basic >>footcontroller without having to configure a large, >>bulky MIDI controller? > > > And anticipating what I'm afraid will be the answer, > the next question is: Can anyone recommend a very > small, very inexpensive MIDI pedal? It doesn't need to > be full-featured; I'm pretty sure it only needs to do > program change. (?) I just picked up an echo pro, and the rfx midibuddy (used) and for the basic functions, the midibuddy hits it right on the nose. It's ergonomiclly well designed and the program changes you need are all on the lower tier -- 105 to 109 DG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 05:53:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h639q7U02698; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 05:52:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 05:52:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030703095201.45938.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:52:01 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Loopers Delight Movie Virus To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone else getting emails, supposedly from Loopers Delight, with MOVIE as the subject & an attached file? I've received two in the last 2 days. Someone needs to flea dip their hard drive. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 06:31:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63APOd04158; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 06:25:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 06:25:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030703102518.27929.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 03:25:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F03D170.9040403@quik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! The Midi Buddy is at the top of my list. Other contenders: ADA MC-1 ADA MPC Boss FC-50 Peavey PFC10 That old Scholz midi pedal If anyone knows of other units in the same feature/price range, or if you've had 'issues' with any of the units above working/not working with the Echo Pro (or other loopers), please say something! -t- --- dgoat wrote: > Tim Nelson wrote: > > Any opinions on the Digitech Control Seven? > > Yes, avoid it. It's not friendly to use with the > echo pro. (I traded > mine for the rfx midi buddy...) > > DG > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 06:32:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63AUqM04370; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 06:30:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 06:30:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030703103046.3238.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 03:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F03D13A.4020903@quik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- dgoat wrote: > I just picked up an echo pro, and the rfx midibuddy > (used) and for the > basic functions, the midibuddy hits it right on the > nose. It's > ergonomiclly well designed and the program changes > you need are all on > the lower tier -- 105 to 109 What about the recording/overdubbing functions, 101 to 104; they're 'upstairs'? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 06:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63AkGj05234; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 06:46:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 06:46:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c34150$506d5f00$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <000001c34120$e88a6a10$1d2f04d1@home> Subject: Re: Loop IV editor? Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:46:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has anyone ever come out with a stand alone EDP LoopIV editor for PC? > > you would have known :-) I wrote one for sounddiver (PC & MAc) besides that the sys ex implementation is simple and standard so it would be quite easy to build Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 09:41:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63DdM615906; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:39:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c34168$81576b20$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030703095201.45938.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loopers Delight Movie Virus Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:39:18 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <3p2QJB.A.a4D.KIDB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep. Same here. There's a similar one going around with "My Details" in a dubious zip file that actually contains a script/pif file. Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > Is anyone else getting emails, supposedly from > Loopers Delight, with MOVIE as the subject & an > attached file? > > I've received two in the last 2 days. > > Someone needs to flea dip their hard drive. > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 10:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63EBca18827; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:11:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 07:11:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers Delight Movie Virus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030703095201.45938.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <411267A6-AD60-11D7-B08E-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't get me started. I seem to constantly get worm generated emails with little gifs and jpegs attached. I'm sure they're from LD list members because they're often little picture of music gear. Drives me up a wall. I chalk it up to ignorance and lazyness. Hey! If you're reading this and you've got a computer with no virus protection that ignorant lazy person is YOU. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 02:52 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > Is anyone else getting emails, supposedly from > Loopers Delight, with MOVIE as the subject & an > attached file? > > I've received two in the last 2 days. > > Someone needs to flea dip their hard drive. > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 10:19:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63EHaD19312; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:17:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:17:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: Subject: Loop.pooL tour update, finally Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:26:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: ThoU1gZHYeZPTJT3AHYVtU+N5RVEBogiGzFyJslylQZj9eTgrnQUZG@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com letter to loopers delight: Hi everybody, I am visiting Michael Peter's at his beautiful home outside of Koln (Cologne), Germany, struggling with a German kezboard (get the picture?) as I have struggled so far with Swedish, British and French keyboards. Michael is outside loading up for our performance tonight and we are about to go check out the amazing cathedral which is even more astonishing than all the photographs I've seen of it , heretofore. We have had extremely limited e mail capabilities and , until today , no ability to update the tour diary on my website (www.looppool.info) for the last few weeks and although I have continued to write entries, none of them have been posted until today. Chris, my webmistress (oooh, I like the sound of that) finally got it uploaded so if you are curious, go there and check it out. I really haven't had the chance to write in depth about the Cambridge Loop Festival , but suffice it to say that it was really great. I'll try to get the time to do so in the next couple of days. The short story is that the tour has had it's fair share of drama: some gigs have been cancelled completely (notably greece and paris) and some gigs, like the wonderful gig with Stuart Wyatt in Paris came up out of the clear blue sky (or clowdy blue sky as was the case in gay Paris) on the day of the event. The highlights have been the fantastic people that I've gotten a chance to hang out with and play with (and I'm really looking forward to playing the 1st BERLIN LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL tomorrow with Leander Reininghaus, Andreas Willers, Centrozone and Michael Peters---and perhaps a few other's that I haven't heard about) and seeing the beautiful sites of some of the world's most incredible cities: Stockholm, Belfast, London, Paris, Cologne, etc.). Dragging this much equiment has been an incredible challenge and yesterday the handle on one rack case and two wheels on my Gator cases blew out and I'm sweating getting the time to get them fixed. Long inner city runs over cobble stones in both Stockholm and, the day before yesterday have proven to much for these cases that have, heretofore, been really awesome and reliable. Well, I have just discovered that my backup e mail account has been overfiltering all my emails (causing me to miss the 1st Paris Looping Festival which had been planned by my good friend April King and didn't even occur because I never recieved her e-mails to me...........................bummer!!!! So off to weed out the 100 some odd spams I have to get to the important stuff while Michael is off to get gasoline for our long drive to Berlin. Hope you are all well. I won't be able to read the Loopers Delight list until I return home because e-mail is so sporadic, but I'll be back with a vengeance come August 1st....................LOL.............don't say I didn't warn you. Yours warmly, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 10:27:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63EPwL20121; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:25:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:29:40 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Another Echo Pro question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2003 14:25:50.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[00CB88E0:01C3416F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm getting into using my Echo Pro and am very pleased with it - I thankfully have not encountered any of the delay MIDI sync problems that were discussed here a while ago (maybe Line6 ran some improvements on later models?). My question is very specific and relates to the looper's own delay line. When using any of the delay models, I always use MIDI clock sync and it works perfectly, I can change the note value (resolution), fine - I have the global setting on MIDI clock. However when in the looper, I can't find a way of changing the note value of the delays and its stuck at something like 8th note triplets!. The front panel button that would normally switch between different note lengths for the delay is now a looper control and the delay time knob of course doesn't work (display says "MIDI") as you'd expect. Anybody know how to change note values of the looper's delay? Thanks. Ian. Ian. P.S. I've come across an anoying design fault of the Echo Pro that's worth mentioning. If you use the jack ins/outs you can choose to use it mono in/mono out or mono in/stereo out (as well as stereo in/out), however if you use the XLRs (which of course aren't switching sockets) you can't just use one plug to get mono in. This is anoying as I only have 1 post-fade send on the desk I use with it and its far more convenient just to send one signal to it. I've therefore been using jack in XLRs out. Would it work in terms of impedance, to make up a 'Y' lead of TSR jack to 2XLRs on the inputs? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 10:36:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63EXGe20799; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:33:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:33:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <143.145d76de.2c3598a6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:33:10 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Eberhard's intonation... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >huh? Mr. Karn's intonation has always been way off when > >visible on TV programs. I always cite him as an example of > >posing over pitching. > > I am not sure what TV programs you can use for an example, but I have seen > Karn perform several times, and each time his intonation was spot on. hi Max, I think it was a late "Japan" performance. He often played a root+5th chord with the 5th somewhat flat in those days. I guess he got better! I particularly like fhis playing tho', especially those oddly placed open notes. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 10:51:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63ElYt22641; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:47:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:47:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:47:20 EDT Subject: Re: Cambridge Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > maybe next time - I kinda filled up the evening with my local buddies this > year - as it was the first time, it was easier that way. > > venue was good though, I thought, so I would anticipate using it again. > > cheers, > os. yeah, big thanks to Os for organising! ....and looking forward to more UK loopfests andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 11:22:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63FHkN25664; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:17:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Echo Pro footcontroller options Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:15:47 -0500 Message-ID: <017801c34175$fbe45490$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20030703102518.27929.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have an mc-1 on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22669&item=2542604026 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 5:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options > > > Thanks! > > The Midi Buddy is at the top of my list. > > Other contenders: > ADA MC-1 > ADA MPC > Boss FC-50 > Peavey PFC10 > That old Scholz midi pedal > > If anyone knows of other units in the same > feature/price range, or if you've had 'issues' with > any of the units above working/not working with the > Echo Pro (or other loopers), please say something! > > -t- > > --- dgoat wrote: > > Tim Nelson wrote: > > > Any opinions on the Digitech Control Seven? > > > > Yes, avoid it. It's not friendly to use with the > > echo pro. (I traded > > mine for the rfx midi buddy...) > > > > DG > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 16:52:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63KoKC24147; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F049704.2020107@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:50:12 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: T-shirt Status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Word is, shirts are printed and I will be getting them early next week. I will start sending 'em out soon after. Stay tuned. -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 16:52:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63Kn6b23937; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:49:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:49:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line Mixers/MIDI Controllers Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:48:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2003 20:49:00.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[87AC8BE0:01C341A4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey LD, it's been awhile since i've been here. i have some questions and thought i would come and ask the most technologically advanced minds on the internet. i am using an EDP/TC Gmajor/Vortex/roland GR30 synth (sometimes GR33)/and power amp w/a sans amp psa 1 or line 6 pod xt (not really sure about the pre yet) i want to mix these and loop you know, while playing guitar through. i would also like to have the capability to bring in a drum machine or a vocal mic if needed too. the units that i am trying to choose between are the RANE SM 82 and SAMSON PL1602. does anyone on the list have any experience with either? the RANE (1 space) is $449 and an older design while the SAMSON (2 space) i can get from the local music store for $200 and is a new design. i am mostly concerned by tone/sound/noise and flexibility. i have already tried console mixers and i just can't deal with them. i know there are racks that allow them to be wired without any further tweaking, but the rackmount is the way to go for me. any suggestions on the units? does anyone have a digitech PMC-10 for sale, or know where to get one? i have a FCB 1010 and just can't get it going on with the EDP. i am not very well versed w/MIDI to begin with though. mostly operator error. anyway good to be back. have a great day. peace -matt wiley _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 16:57:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63Kttf25002; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:55:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030703205553.24130.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: T-shirt Status To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F049704.2020107@cabq.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent -- maybe I won't have to do laundry after all :) --- Jason Fink wrote: > Word is, shirts are printed and I will be getting > them early next week. > > I will start sending 'em out soon after. > > Stay tuned. > > -jas > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 17:27:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63LQBW28723; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:26:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:26:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 17:26:31 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Line Mixers/MIDI Controllers In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3F049F87.6000603@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: Resent-Message-ID: <-i5GjC.A.qAH.z9JB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using the Samson and found it to be fine for live use. It's nice to have 16 channels with 2 aux sends in 2 rack spaces. I don't know about the Rane. Matthew Wiley wrote: > Hey LD, > > it's been awhile since i've been here. i have some questions and > thought i would come and ask the most technologically advanced minds > on the internet. > > i am using an EDP/TC Gmajor/Vortex/roland GR30 synth (sometimes > GR33)/and power amp w/a sans amp psa 1 or line 6 pod xt (not really > sure about the pre yet) > > i want to mix these and loop you know, while playing guitar through. > i would also like to have the capability to bring in a drum machine or > a vocal mic if needed too. > > the units that i am trying to choose between are the RANE SM 82 and > SAMSON PL1602. does anyone on the list have any experience with > either? the RANE (1 space) is $449 and an older design while the > SAMSON (2 space) i can get from the local music store for $200 and is > a new design. i am mostly concerned by tone/sound/noise and > flexibility. i have already tried console mixers and i just can't > deal with them. i know there are racks that allow them to be wired > without any further tweaking, but the rackmount is the way to go for > me. any suggestions on the units? > > does anyone have a digitech PMC-10 for sale, or know where to get > one? i have a FCB 1010 and just can't get it going on with the EDP. > i am not very well versed w/MIDI to begin with though. mostly > operator error. anyway good to be back. have a great day. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 18:00:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63LvcV31530; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:57:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:57:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7394484.1057269454321.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:57:33 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Digital Out on MD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what format is the digital info from this port? After it's been decoded from ATRAC into analog, did Sony include hardware to convert that into...what? TravisH At 03:59 PM 7/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >MD units don't have digital out because the audio is stored in a >compressed, proprietary format. If you had digital out, you'd end up with >ATRAC data, which doesn't do you much good, since I'm unaware of a program >that can read ATRAC format. Incorrect, as home units do have digital outputs. Just the portables that lack digital out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 18:00:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63Lxbc31767; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:59:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:59:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030703215931.35342.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: T-shirt Status To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030703205553.24130.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5bRjXD.A.NwH.JdKB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, in one of my old bands, t-shirts with our logo on the front were brisk sellers at gigs, so we had to have them printed kinda often. One time, we went with a 'glow-in-the-dark' ink as the logo's outline. At the very first gig where we were selling the glowing shirts, it was kind of hot and muggy, and a couple dozen people bought them, took off the shirts they were wearing, and put on their new t-shirts, unwashed. After about an hour, several of those people had red rashes on their chests in the shape of our logo! -t- --- Squid Loop wrote: > Excellent -- maybe I won't have to do laundry after > all :) > > --- Jason Fink wrote: > > Word is, shirts are printed and I will be getting > > them early next week. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 18:13:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63M21x32092; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:02:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3942016.1057269720715.JavaMail.nobody@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:02:00 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Digital Out on MD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what format is this digital out? After it's been converted from ATRAC on the disc, it gets turned into analog and then redigitized, or what? This sounds like it'd defeat Sony's thinking behind the MD format. TravisH At 03:59 PM 7/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >MD units don't have digital out because the audio is stored in a >compressed, proprietary format. If you had digital out, you'd end up with >ATRAC data, which doesn't do you much good, since I'm unaware of a program >that can read ATRAC format. Incorrect, as home units do have digital outputs. Just the portables that lack digital out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 18:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h63MKw000912; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:20:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:20:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Digital Out on MD Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:21:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c341b1$8476c960$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3942016.1057269720715.JavaMail.nobody@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm speculating that the ATRAC decoding is performed prior to presentation of the digital data. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:02 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Digital Out on MD So what format is this digital out? After it's been converted from ATRAC on the disc, it gets turned into analog and then redigitized, or what? This sounds like it'd defeat Sony's thinking behind the MD format. TravisH At 03:59 PM 7/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >MD units don't have digital out because the audio is stored in a >compressed, proprietary format. If you had digital out, you'd end up with >ATRAC data, which doesn't do you much good, since I'm unaware of a program >that can read ATRAC format. Incorrect, as home units do have digital outputs. Just the portables that lack digital out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 20:58:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h640vdU13198; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:57:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:57:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: MIDI foot controller option Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:57:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030702111411.018ba550@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy holiday to those of you in the US-- I just ordered one of these from Mario--manual at http://www.axess-electronics.com/usr_man/MFC5%20v2r1.pdf They aren't cheap, and they don't send note info, but they ARE small. Unfortunately they are not battery operated. I'll give a full report after it arrives next week--this guy seems to be the king of customer service. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean@loomwebdesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options There's also the small 5 footswitch Axess electronics controller: http://www.axess-electronics.com/_mfc5.htm At 11:05 AM 2003/07/02 -0700, Squid Loop wrote: >Depending on what she would be doing the Midi Mouse >has 2 buttons (a third for pageing) that could start >the loop and overdub the loop unless she gets crazy >with half speed and reverse you may want to look into >it. And it's not so scary looking :) > >http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2003070213033441&menu=&keyword= &item=TEC+MOUSE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 21:09:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6418UL14021; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:08:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:08:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <047701c3425f$3c3ea290$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI foot controller option Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:05:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mario rules! axess builds some great gear at appropriate prices and mario is super-helpful. he actually talked me OUT of buying one of his boxes because he felt it wasn't exactly what i needed. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 21:20:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h641IjQ15013; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:18:38 -0700 Subject: Re: MIDI foot controller option Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <70FFD0EF-ADBD-11D7-9CBD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For $220 you'd better get good customer service and a kiss at the end of the date. On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 05:57 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Unfortunately they are not battery operated. > I'll give a full report after it arrives next week--this guy seems to > be the > king of customer service. > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 3 23:44:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h643gGj26557; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F04F796.1080707@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 20:42:14 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line Mixers/MIDI Controllers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthew Wiley wrote: > the units that i am trying to choose between are the RANE SM 82 and > SAMSON PL1602. does anyone on the list have any experience with > either? the RANE (1 space) is $449 and an older design while the SAMSON > (2 space) i can get from the local music store for $200 and is a new > design. i am mostly concerned by tone/sound/noise and flexibility. i > have already tried console mixers and i just can't deal with them. i > know there are racks that allow them to be wired without any further > tweaking, but the rackmount is the way to go for me. any suggestions on > the units? I owned a RANE SM82 a couple of years back and wish I hadn't sold it. It was CLEAN. Pristine clean. Compared to my Mackie 1604 and a decent stereo pre-amp, the RANE beat them both, hands down (when ABing a line input like a CD player). Even though the RANE only had one effect send, by panning channels, I was able to use it as two independent sends. Matt -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 03:03:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6472hY07633; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 03:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 03:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 00:02:39 -0700 Subject: Keyboards (was Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030703012826.80981.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2OTsPC.A.J3B.TaSB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/2/03 6:28 PM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > Haven't settled on that yet; the manual specs that > "the ideal keyboard sound is that with a simple > waveform (sine, triangle, or square), a short attack > time and a long release time" with a range "wider than > C5 (523.25Hz) to C7 (2093Hz)", preferably monophonic. > (A polyphonic keyboard will work, but if you play more > than one key at a time you'll confuse the RPS-10). I've got a PAiA Organtua that would probably more or less fit the bill. I've got some sentimental attachment to it but I also haven't played it in a really long time. It's a bit heavy to lug around though compared to some other options. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 04:09:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6486XE11670; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 04:06:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 04:06:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c34203$2cf9a840$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:06:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com get 'em while they're hot: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cambridgeloopfest/ cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 05:27:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h649Ovp18386; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 05:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 05:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: , References: <20030630042745.73993.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:17:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2003 07:49:24.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9A7DAC0:01C34200] Resent-Message-ID: <3TNyRB.A.KfE.pfUB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > speaking of the EMU XL-7... > > any thoughts or reviews? > how easy is it sequence stuff in the studio? Easier than any of the other hardware sequencers. Not as good as a software sequencer. > how easy is it to sequence a beat LIVE? It's the only box that allows you to record on the fly that includes a track erase (i.e. undo) function. I don't think I have the confidence to do live recording with out this. > i've heard it can/does crash-- any experience with this? No it doesn't. There was an OS version with a specific reproduceable bug, that emu fixed. The current version of the OS is head and shoulders above all the others in terms of function and simplicity. I've never crashed my emu in any case. > can it be trusted in the live setting? Yes. > how are the sounds? The sounds are the best part. Forget the Roland and Yamaha ones. Even the ones with samplers built in can't compare, since their samplers are so limited. I was looking a long time before I settled on the emu, since it cost a lot more back then. > a while back, someone mentioned it can be used as a live > MIDI looper, like a DL4 but for MIDI-- is this true? is it > easy to do and use? Yes, I was the one mentioning it. There's no feedback control however. > how is it for a control surface feeding into other > synths/sequencers? It's a nice bonus, but relatively unfeatured - you can program all the knobs to send whatever CCs you want, but they aren't motorized, or as comprehensive as, say, a Peavey PC1600. > > i'm seriously considering one. I want to use it primarily > for (1) simple MIDI drum controller for Cubase on the PC, Hmm. You're better off with a real drum controller - ie. Handsonic. Yes, I do bang on the keys from time to time, a bit nicer than a keyboard, but a bonus, not a selling point. > (2) live MIDI looper (3) LIVE drum machine (if possible, > i'd like to program beats live) Yes, and yes. You can do live X0X style programming on this beast. , (4) static drum machine > (pre-programmed beats), and (5) another synth module. I was > considering the Akai MPD16 just for a drum pad controller, > but with the ultra-low price on the XL-7 I'm thinking why > not get so much more features for not a whole lot more > money..... > Haven't tried the MPD16, but from the looks of it, the emu's key's would be relatively comparable. > FYI, at my Guitar Center (I work at GC in Crestwood, MO) > XL-7 has a guaranteed low price of $449, killer deal. > > but, i've heard they can be buggy. Not in the least. Check the yahoo group for more info... bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dylan" To: Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:27 PM Subject: EMU XL-7 thoughts? > speaking of the EMU XL-7... > > any thoughts or reviews? > how easy is it sequence stuff in the studio? > how easy is it to sequence a beat LIVE? > i've heard it can/does crash-- any experience with this? > can it be trusted in the live setting? > how are the sounds? > a while back, someone mentioned it can be used as a live > MIDI looper, like a DL4 but for MIDI-- is this true? is it > easy to do and use? > how is it for a control surface feeding into other > synths/sequencers? > > i'm seriously considering one. I want to use it primarily > for (1) simple MIDI drum controller for Cubase on the PC, > (2) live MIDI looper (3) LIVE drum machine (if possible, > i'd like to program beats live), (4) static drum machine > (pre-programmed beats), and (5) another synth module. I was > considering the Akai MPD16 just for a drum pad controller, > but with the ultra-low price on the XL-7 I'm thinking why > not get so much more features for not a whole lot more > money..... > > FYI, at my Guitar Center (I work at GC in Crestwood, MO) > XL-7 has a guaranteed low price of $449, killer deal. > > but, i've heard they can be buggy. > > thoughts? thanks in advance! > > dylan > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 09:14:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64DAHZ00819; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:10:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030704131011.57627.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 06:10:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Noisy Footswitches Slight Return/Cellofects To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030703102518.27929.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm, verrrry interesting... Had a long phone conversation with looping cellist Kristen Miller yesterday regarding an upcoming collaboration, and of course the topic turned to looping. I wondered what devices she had used on her album 'Later That Day' and as it turns out, she was originally using a DL-4 but as a result of some very vocal protests from her engineer/co-producer about the clicking footswitches, she changed horses to an RC-20. She's very happy with the Boss, and (unlike me) she does use the storage settings in live performance. Her only complaint is that she wishes she could have the footswitches on the floor and the other controls at tabletop level next to her Pod. She also said that she'd like to start using loops on her vocal mic, as her setup now only loops from her cello pickup. I think I've convinced her that she needs a small mixer... We also talked a little about effects on the cello; can any of you with looped/amplified cello experience recommend a good sub-octave device, something that tracks well with a cello and puts out a monster bass sound? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 09:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64DClJ01046; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:12:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:12:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c3422d$c57449c0$cce65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #328 for July 3, 2003 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:11:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3420C.30DDF840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3420C.30DDF840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #328 July 3, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on sonic explorer Robert Rich, = who has helped to define modern electronic music styles while defying = categorization. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Outpost" with Ian Boddy on the DiN = label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Equinoxe" by Jean Michel Jarre on = Polydor records. Robery Rich - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Jean Michel Jarre Equinoxe Parts 1 - 4 Equinoxe (Polydor) Erik W=F8llo Soft Machine The Polar Drones = (Groove) VA [Team Metlay] Unbroken Sequences No. 28 = (Sequences) Ron Boots Cougarland Dreamscape (Groove) Numin and A Deeper Calling * Outward Appearance = (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips 12:00 am R. Rich and I. Boddy First Outpost Outpost (DiN) R. Rich and I. Boddy Ice Fields Outpost (DiN) R. Rich and I. Boddy Methane Outpost (DiN) R. Rich and I. Boddy Lagrange Point Outpost (DiN) R. Rich and I. Boddy Link Lost Outpost (DiN) R. Rich and I. Boddy State of Flux Outpost (DiN) R. Rich and I. Boddy Tuning In Outpost (DiN) R. Rich and I. Boddy Tuning Out Outpost (DiN) R. Rich and I. Boddy Edge of Nowhere Outpost (DiN) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Rich. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Bestiary" by Robert Rich on the Release = label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Equinoxe" by Jean Michel Jarre on Polydor records. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3420C.30DDF840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #328       =20             July 3, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on sonic = explorer Robert=20 Rich, who has
helped to define modern electronic music styles while = defying=20 categorization.
The Featured CD at Midnight was "Outpost" with Ian = Boddy on=20 the DiN label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Equinoxe" by Jean Michel Jarre = on=20 Polydor
records.
 
Robery Rich - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jul
=
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Jean Michel=20 Jarre       Equinoxe Parts 1 -=20 4     Equinoxe (Polydor)
Erik=20 W=F8llo           =   =20 Soft=20 Machine           =  =20 The Polar Drones (Groove)
VA [Team=20 Metlay]       =20 Unbroken           = ;     =20 Sequences No. 28 (Sequences)
Ron=20 Boots           &n= bsp;  =20 Cougarland          &nb= sp;   =20 Dreamscape (Groove)
Numin=20 and           &nbs= p;  =20 A Deeper Calling *       Outward = Appearance (Dark=20 Duck)
  Stephen Philips
 
12:00 am
R. Rich and I. Boddy    First=20 Outpost           = =20 Outpost (DiN)
R. Rich and I. Boddy    Ice=20 Fields           &= nbsp;  =20 Outpost (DiN)
R. Rich and I. Boddy   =20 Methane           =       =20 Outpost (DiN)
R. Rich and I. Boddy    Lagrange=20 Point           = Outpost=20 (DiN)
R. Rich and I. Boddy    Link=20 Lost           &nb= sp;   =20 Outpost (DiN)
R. Rich and I. Boddy    State of=20 Flux            = Outpost=20 (DiN)
R. Rich and I. Boddy    Tuning=20 In            = ;   =20 Outpost (DiN)
R. Rich and I. Boddy    Tuning=20 Out           &nbs= p;  =20 Outpost (DiN)
R. Rich and I. Boddy    Edge of=20 Nowhere          Outpost=20 (DiN)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Robert Rich.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Bestiary" by = Robert=20 Rich on the Release label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Equinoxe" by Jean Michel = Jarre=20 on
Polydor records.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3420C.30DDF840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 09:42:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64DebQ02949; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040401c34232$a72f0360$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: Newbie question... Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:46:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, My first post on this list. I've recently become a looper in the context of my solo acoustic gig. I'm using the Boss RC-20 loop station which is giving me *most* of what, but I'm trying to accomplish one other thing, and I'm having trouble finding a piece of gear that will do it. I want to be able to have 2 seperate loops, sync'd together in tempo, but such that one can be stopped and started while the other plays on. Here's an example: I play "Lay Down Sally" by Eric Clapton. I lay down and loop a drum pattern with my Roland drum pad thingie. That's dandy, and that stays on the entire tune. I THEN want to lay down the little a chord riff that the verses and the solo break use. BUT, when the chorus rolls around, I want to be able to kill the A chord riff loop, keeping the drum loop running, and them play the D/D7/E7 chorus progression, then kick the A riff loop back in when I'm done with the chorus. Right now I can't loop the A riff because it plays through the chorus and sounds lame doing so. I've tried using an extra box to do the seperate loop, in the case a Line6 DL4, but the problem there is if the timing is off any at all, after a few loops, everything gets out ot sync. Not acceptable. I've read up on the Jamman, and the Electrix Repeater and it's not clear to me from what I've read if I can have two independent, but time sync'd loops with either of those boxes. Can anyone lend some helpful input on this matter? Thanks! Paul Sanders Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 10:03:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64Duiq04022; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:56:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:56:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c34234$15bf5860$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <040401c34232$a72f0360$0600a8c0@money2> Subject: Re: Newbie question... Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 08:56:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For what it's worth, The Echoplex Digital Pro is great for this kind of "looping". In this case, you'd lay down the drums on Loop 1, then switch to Loop 2 and overdub the A riff on top of the drums. At that point, Loop 1 is just the drums, Loop 2 is the drums plus the A riff. You can then use Next Loop to switch between them. The EDP is quite a step up from the RC20, both cost-wise and feature wise. The EDP is also rack mounted. I highly recommend it!! :) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sanders" To: Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 8:46 AM Subject: Newbie question... > Hello all, > > My first post on this list. > > I've recently become a looper in the context of my solo acoustic gig. > > I'm using the Boss RC-20 loop station which is giving me *most* of what, but > I'm trying to accomplish one other thing, and I'm having trouble finding a > piece of gear that will do it. > > I want to be able to have 2 seperate loops, sync'd together in tempo, but > such that one can be stopped and started while the other plays on. > > Here's an example: > > I play "Lay Down Sally" by Eric Clapton. I lay down and loop a drum pattern > with my Roland drum pad thingie. That's dandy, and that stays on the entire > tune. > > I THEN want to lay down the little a chord riff that the verses and the solo > break use. > > BUT, when the chorus rolls around, I want to be able to kill the A chord > riff loop, keeping the drum loop running, and them play the D/D7/E7 chorus > progression, then kick the A riff loop back in when I'm done with the > chorus. > > Right now I can't loop the A riff because it plays through the chorus and > sounds lame doing so. > > I've tried using an extra box to do the seperate loop, in the case a Line6 > DL4, but the problem there is if the timing is off any at all, after a few > loops, everything gets out ot sync. Not acceptable. > > I've read up on the Jamman, and the Electrix Repeater and it's not clear to > me from what I've read if I can have two independent, but time sync'd loops > with either of those boxes. > > Can anyone lend some helpful input on this matter? > > Thanks! > > Paul Sanders > Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 10:27:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64EQ3505995; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <041001c34238$fe29a610$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <040401c34232$a72f0360$0600a8c0@money2> <000701c34234$15bf5860$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Newbie question... Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:31:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Newbie question... > For what it's worth, > > The Echoplex Digital Pro is great for this kind of "looping". In this case, > you'd lay down the drums on Loop 1, then switch to Loop 2 and overdub the A > riff on top of the drums. At that point, Loop 1 is just the drums, Loop 2 > is the drums plus the A riff. You can then use Next Loop to switch between > them. Just to further elaborate, once I lay down loop 1, does that set the bounds for the remaining loops? What happens if loop 1 is longer than loop 2? Will loop 2 just be extended with silence for the duration of loop 1? Also, if I start loop 2 back up, does it start right away, or does it wait until the beginning of loop 1 again? The info I've been able to find isn't very clear on this. Thanks! Paul > > The EDP is quite a step up from the RC20, both cost-wise and feature wise. > The EDP is also rack mounted. I highly recommend it!! :) > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Sanders" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 8:46 AM > Subject: Newbie question... > > > > Hello all, > > > > My first post on this list. > > > > I've recently become a looper in the context of my solo acoustic gig. > > > > I'm using the Boss RC-20 loop station which is giving me *most* of what, > but > > I'm trying to accomplish one other thing, and I'm having trouble finding a > > piece of gear that will do it. > > > > I want to be able to have 2 seperate loops, sync'd together in tempo, but > > such that one can be stopped and started while the other plays on. > > > > Here's an example: > > > > I play "Lay Down Sally" by Eric Clapton. I lay down and loop a drum > pattern > > with my Roland drum pad thingie. That's dandy, and that stays on the > entire > > tune. > > > > I THEN want to lay down the little a chord riff that the verses and the > solo > > break use. > > > > BUT, when the chorus rolls around, I want to be able to kill the A chord > > riff loop, keeping the drum loop running, and them play the D/D7/E7 chorus > > progression, then kick the A riff loop back in when I'm done with the > > chorus. > > > > Right now I can't loop the A riff because it plays through the chorus and > > sounds lame doing so. > > > > I've tried using an extra box to do the seperate loop, in the case a Line6 > > DL4, but the problem there is if the timing is off any at all, after a few > > loops, everything gets out ot sync. Not acceptable. > > > > I've read up on the Jamman, and the Electrix Repeater and it's not clear > to > > me from what I've read if I can have two independent, but time sync'd > loops > > with either of those boxes. > > > > Can anyone lend some helpful input on this matter? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Paul Sanders > > Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 10:56:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64Eps208004; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:51:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:51:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c3423b$cd873600$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <040401c34232$a72f0360$0600a8c0@money2> <000701c34234$15bf5860$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <041001c34238$fe29a610$0600a8c0@money2> Subject: Re: Newbie question... Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:51:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3CoZRD.A.78B.KSZB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Just to further elaborate, once I lay down loop 1, does that set the bounds > for the > remaining loops? What happens if loop 1 is longer than loop 2? Will loop 2 > just be > extended with silence for the duration of loop 1? Nice. These questions take you into some of the deeper capabilities of the EDP. I'm not a complete expert here, but this is what I can tell you: The EDP has a parameter called LoopCopy. It can be set to "Time", "Sound", or "Off". If set to Time, Loop 2 will be the same length as Loop 1, but the sound isn't copied from Loop 1. So yes, in that case, if you played too fast on Loop 2, there'd by a space there. But, if you had set the LoopCopy parm to Sound, it would copy the sound from Loop 1 (the drums) into Loop 2, and that would be playing as you overdub the A riff onto Loop 2. So, there's a audio "guide" for you there, and you'll play the A riff in time (won't you? :) ), and there will be 2 loops of exactly the same length. If you set LoopCopy to Off, neither time nor sound is copied from Loop 1, so it's "freeform". You wouldn't do this in the example you're giving, but it's a great feature for other types of music. > > Also, if I start loop 2 back up, does it start right away, or does it wait > until the beginning > of loop 1 again? Another great feature of the EDP. This is the SwitchQuantize parameter. If set to "On", then yes, when you hit the NextLoop button, Loop 2 will start exactly at the loop boundry (the end) of Loop 1. Keeps things in perfect time. If SwitchQuantize is set to "Off", then the switch occurs as soon as you hit the NextLoop button. You wouldn't want this in your example. > > The info I've been able to find isn't very clear on this. > > Thanks! Welcome! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 11:49:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64FmG512878; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 08:48:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Line Mixers/MIDI Controllers Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307041314.h64DEWA01296@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can usually find an SM82 on eBay, and there's one right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2542404563&category=23785&rd=1 The Rane stuff is very solidly built. I've been using a pair of the SM26s for a while now, and they're quite good. TravisH On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 06:14 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > the units that i am trying to choose between are the RANE SM 82 and > SAMSON PL1602. does anyone on the list have any experience with > either? the RANE (1 space) is $449 and an older design while the > SAMSON (2 space) i can get from the local music store for $200 and is > a new design. i am mostly concerned by tone/sound/noise and > flexibility. i have already tried console mixers and i just can't > deal with them. i know there are racks that allow them to be wired > without any further tweaking, but the rackmount is the way to go for > me. any suggestions on the units? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 11:51:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64FnmC13065; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:49:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:49:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 08:49:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Noisy Footswitches Slight Return/Cellofects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307041314.h64DEWA01296@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <223B97F6-AE37-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A violist I know uses that Boss Harmonist pedal, and it sounds great and I never hear about any tracking problems. Travis H On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 06:14 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > We also talked a little about effects on the cello; > can any of you with looped/amplified cello experience > recommend a good sub-octave device, something that > tracks well with a cello and puts out a monster bass > sound? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 11:52:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64FpL213224; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:51:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP Capabilities (was Newbie question) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 08:51:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101c3423b$cd873600$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you get an EDP, you will find that the possibilities are (no overstatement) truly mind boggling. Refer to the live examples on Andre LaFosse's website to hear what mayhem can be achieved. It slices, it dices . . . In my case, I find that sticking to a set of parameters and using MIDI to go outside them in certain cases is the best bet. But trust me, if you can dream it, the EDP can do it--short of pitch shifting and multitracking of course (they are also mono--hey, deal with it). Looping in red, white and blues, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 12:08:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64G7GX14759; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:07:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:07:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:07:13 -0700 Subject: Re: RE: Digital Out on MD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307041314.h64DEWA01296@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <931645A9-AE39-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suspect they convert it from ATRAC to analog, then redigitize it, so there wouldn't be much difference between that and running an analog out and into the soundcard on your computer. Thus negating that "pristine digital data transfer" aspect, and just giving someone who has only digital ins the convenience of one-cable connection. In related news, I found a "pro" portable MD recorder, with balanced ins/outs and digital IO for...$1600. For that money, I'd get a DAT recorder, even with the media flakiness of DAT. TH On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 06:14 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > I'm speculating that the ATRAC decoding is performed prior to > presentation > of the digital data. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 12:11:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64GAX715344; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:10:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:10:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <041801c34247$99460540$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Capabilities (was Newbie question) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:16:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, certain sounds like it will do what I need. Stereo and multi-track? You want to see my stereo and multitrack? I don't need no stinking stereo and multitrack!! Now the question is, is it simple enough to use live via my feet to not get in the way of my gig. Looping isn't my gig, it's just something I use to make my gig more "interesting". Whatever I use MUST be simple. If the complexity of making the thing do what I need gets in the way of the performance it's not an option for me. Does the EDP still fit the bill then? If so I'll start looking for one :) Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: EDP Capabilities (was Newbie question) > If you get an EDP, you will find that the possibilities are (no > overstatement) truly mind boggling. Refer to the live examples on Andre > LaFosse's website to hear what mayhem can be achieved. It slices, it dices > . . . > In my case, I find that sticking to a set of parameters and using MIDI to go > outside them in certain cases is the best bet. But trust me, if you can > dream it, the EDP can do it--short of pitch shifting and multitracking of > course (they are also mono--hey, deal with it). > Looping in red, white and blues, > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 12:11:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64GAB515290; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:10:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:10:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:10:09 -0700 Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest audio files Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001101c34203$2cf9a840$2ccfc22b@AOstler> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <7y0lEC.A.yuD.ibaB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love to listen, but I can't join another list. Too much. Mark On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 01:06 AM, Os wrote: > get 'em while they're hot: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cambridgeloopfest/ > > > cheers, > os. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 12:36:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64GYAn19053; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:34:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:34:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:34:08 -0700 Subject: Boss DD-20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030704131011.57627.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <55C6E020-AE3D-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This made me wonder about the Boss DD-20. Anyone use it? I'm mostly interested in whether or not you can do a loop on it, keep it going while you play over it, then open it back up and add to it. Being able to control the feedback of the loop (when in and out of record) would be crucial too. I've got a little gig to do and it doesn't seem like it warrants dragging out the Repeater rack and the DD-20 might just do what I need. Anyone write a review on this device? Mark On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 06:10 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > she changed horses to an RC-20. She's very happy with > the Boss, and (unlike me) she does use the storage > settings in live performance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 13:04:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64H3Td21295; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:02:59 -0400 To: Tom Ritchford From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 7/5: multi-culti-open-loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h64H3TB21271 Resent-Message-ID: <6xLxS.A.mMF.hNbB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com l lo loo looo loooo looooop open open open loop loop l o l op lo ope loopen oopelnooolooping live open looping open loop open live every Saturday Saturday 4PM to 8PM live open looping at live looping of live and electronic and live electronic instruments. Chama 332 E4 St (between C and D) 332 332 332 E4 St (betweweween C and D, C, C and D) in New York City's East Village (that's East East East Village, can't get more East than this) this week we have lots of interesting guests mostly but not entirely confirmed, including probably Zoë Keating, the SF looping cellist, LOL, the London looping guitarist, Stv Jns, the East Village crop circle looper back from an intensive meditation course, mymymymyself TomTom Swirly the looping electronic wind ending his fortieth year with a big bad bang band bang and the usual cast of zanies, crazies and loopies $2 suggested donation. air conditioned, cool and dark. bring an instrument, or just show up and listen. love you all. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 13:13:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64HBWw22120; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:11:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:11:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012601c3424f$5bf77720$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: multi-culti-open-loop Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:11:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > l lo loo looo loooo looooop open open open loop loop l o l op lo ope loopen > > oopelnooolooping live open looping open loop open live > every Saturday Saturday 4PM to 8PM live open looping at > > live looping of live and electronic and live electronic instruments. > > > Chama > 332 E4 St (between C and D) > 332 > 332 > 332 E4 St (betweweween C and D, C, C and D) > in New York City's East Village > (that's East East East Village, can't get more East than this) It's so East Village, it's not. That's Alphabet City!. "You ain't from around here, are you?" * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 13:14:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64HBOe22082; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:11:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:11:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F05B818.663BD743@erols.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 13:23:36 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Capabilities (was Newbie question) References: <041801c34247$99460540$0600a8c0@money2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Sanders wrote: > Well, certain sounds like it will do what I need. > > Stereo and multi-track? You want to see my stereo and multitrack? > I don't need no stinking stereo and multitrack!! > > Now the question is, is it simple enough to use live via my feet to not > get in the way of my gig. > > Looping isn't my gig, it's just something I use to make my gig more > "interesting". Whatever I use MUST be simple. If the complexity of > making the thing do what I need gets in the way of the performance it's > not an option for me. > > Does the EDP still fit the bill then? If so I'll start looking for one :) > > Thanks, > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 11:51 AM > Subject: EDP Capabilities (was Newbie question) > > > If you get an EDP, you will find that the possibilities are (no > > overstatement) truly mind boggling. Refer to the live examples on Andre > > LaFosse's website to hear what mayhem can be achieved. It slices, it > dices > > . . . > > In my case, I find that sticking to a set of parameters and using MIDI to > go > > outside them in certain cases is the best bet. But trust me, if you can > > dream it, the EDP can do it--short of pitch shifting and multitracking of > > course (they are also mono--hey, deal with it). > > Looping in red, white and blues, > > Gary > > > > > > I'm a fairly new EDP user. (was using a DL-4) I'm a singer songwriter doing 4 minute pop songs in a coffee shop type setting. There is a slight learning curve. As far as using it live it's not much harder than using a DL-4 in my opinion. Just spend a lot of time learning how to use it.(I'm still in this process myself, and I am also blown away by what can be done) I also found Andre's site to be completely inspiring and educational for what the EDP can do www.altruistmusic.com. My two cents, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 13:31:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64HUJB23990; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012601c3424f$5bf77720$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <012601c3424f$5bf77720$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:29:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: multi-culti-open-loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone who should know better writes: > > 332 E4 St (betweweween C and D, C, C and D) >> in New York City's East Village >> (that's East East East Village, can't get more East than this) > >It's so East Village, it's not. That's Alphabet City!. > >"You ain't from around here, are you?" bzzz! thank you for playing but that is NOT the correct answer! Alphabet City is part of the East Village: see eg the official NYC tourist site, http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=438 and Stv Jns who runs Chama exemplifies the East Village as he has for two decades... hehehehehe >cough< /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 13:42:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64HeQ724795; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:40:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:40:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015b01c34253$604ec680$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <012601c3424f$5bf77720$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: multi-culti-open-loop Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:40:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > Someone who should know better writes: > > > > 332 E4 St (betweweween C and D, C, C and D) > >> in New York City's East Village > >> (that's East East East Village, can't get more East than this) > > > >It's so East Village, it's not. That's Alphabet City!. > > > >"You ain't from around here, are you?" > > bzzz! thank you for playing but that is NOT the correct answer! > > Alphabet City is part of the East Village: see eg the official NYC > tourist site, http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=438 20 years ago people were ashamed to make it part of the Village. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 13:53:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64Hpvk25859; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:51:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:51:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:51:55 -0700 Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3361F320-AE48-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0KhG4C.A.6TG.96bB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The prices have really dropped on this box and at $420 (musician's friend Blem, but I can't find a scratch or issue with it, usually it sells for $499) the sale of my far inferior Roland MC-307 almost covered it. I can't tell you how much I'm digging this box. Jon got me thinking about it when I did a gig with him and I thought his beats sounded great. When I got the PlanetEarth I was pretty impressed with it's sounds and thought, "if only my 307 sounded like this..." Wasn't long after that the 307 went to ebay and the XL-7 came in the mail. I do have a few comments on what Jon said though... On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 04:17 PM, sserendipity wrote: > >> speaking of the EMU XL-7... >> >> any thoughts or reviews? >> how easy is it sequence stuff in the studio? > > Easier than any of the other hardware sequencers. Not as good as a > software sequencer. I have to disagree on this one. Jon's a genius who's probably on the verge of figuring out cold fusion. I thought the 307 was easier in many ways, though also more limited. (it's not without its own quirks too) There are a few of what I call "user interface flaws" in this that are a bit weird. Like no way to quickly initialize a pattern. You've got to copy and paste a blank pattern from another location or erase tracks one at a time. What what what? Silly, but no deal breaker. It's got great effect send or aux out features, but they're awkward to use and the manual isn't clear. Jon moderates a really good and helpful XL-7 users group on yahoo though. It's come in handy for me. Could also have some form of "groove quantize" like the Roland products. All it has is a swing function, but it's pretty good. That was kind of nice about the Roland. I also have a friend who finds the Korg eTribe boxes really nice. All this said, I'm glad I got the XL-7 and I'm not looking back. It's a quirky little box in some ways, but well worth the effort. >> how are the sounds? I agree the sound quality is good, but you're probably going to want to fill up those ROM slots. The World Expedition ROM rules, but no Digerydoo, Tambura or Tablas! Fixed by adding the Protozoa ROM (on special now for $100 at zzounds) and it has by far the best tambura sound I've ever heard from a synth. Pretty good digerydoo and tablas too. Over all the sound quality is higher and more interesting especially on the percussion side. My one complaint is the XL-7's ROM has a bunch of typical techno sounds that I find a little stale. I'm curious to see if they release the new drum ROM that comes with the new Command Station. > > The sounds are the best part. Forget the Roland and Yamaha ones. Even > the > ones with samplers built in can't compare, since their samplers are so > limited. I was looking a long time before I settled on the emu, since > it > cost a lot more back then. > >> a while back, someone mentioned it can be used as a live >> MIDI looper, like a DL4 but for MIDI-- is this true? is it >> easy to do and use? > > Yes, I was the one mentioning it. There's no feedback control however. > >> how is it for a control surface feeding into other >> synths/sequencers? > > It's a nice bonus, but relatively unfeatured - you can program all the > knobs > to send whatever CCs you want, but they aren't motorized, or as > comprehensive as, say, a Peavey PC1600. > >> >> i'm seriously considering one. I want to use it primarily >> for (1) simple MIDI drum controller for Cubase on the PC, > > Hmm. You're better off with a real drum controller - ie. Handsonic. > Yes, I > do bang on the keys from time to time, a bit nicer than a keyboard, > but a > bonus, not a selling point. > >> (2) live MIDI looper (3) LIVE drum machine (if possible, >> i'd like to program beats live) > > Yes, and yes. You can do live X0X style programming on this beast. > > , (4) static drum machine >> (pre-programmed beats), and (5) another synth module. I was >> considering the Akai MPD16 just for a drum pad controller, >> but with the ultra-low price on the XL-7 I'm thinking why >> not get so much more features for not a whole lot more >> money..... >> > > Haven't tried the MPD16, but from the looks of it, the emu's key's > would be > relatively comparable. > >> FYI, at my Guitar Center (I work at GC in Crestwood, MO) >> XL-7 has a guaranteed low price of $449, killer deal. >> >> but, i've heard they can be buggy. > > Not in the least. Check the yahoo group for more info... > > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the > vocals > sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. > It's > not for me." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dylan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:27 PM > Subject: EMU XL-7 thoughts? > > >> speaking of the EMU XL-7... >> >> any thoughts or reviews? >> how easy is it sequence stuff in the studio? >> how easy is it to sequence a beat LIVE? >> i've heard it can/does crash-- any experience with this? >> can it be trusted in the live setting? >> how are the sounds? >> a while back, someone mentioned it can be used as a live >> MIDI looper, like a DL4 but for MIDI-- is this true? is it >> easy to do and use? >> how is it for a control surface feeding into other >> synths/sequencers? >> >> i'm seriously considering one. I want to use it primarily >> for (1) simple MIDI drum controller for Cubase on the PC, >> (2) live MIDI looper (3) LIVE drum machine (if possible, >> i'd like to program beats live), (4) static drum machine >> (pre-programmed beats), and (5) another synth module. I was >> considering the Akai MPD16 just for a drum pad controller, >> but with the ultra-low price on the XL-7 I'm thinking why >> not get so much more features for not a whole lot more >> money..... >> >> FYI, at my Guitar Center (I work at GC in Crestwood, MO) >> XL-7 has a guaranteed low price of $449, killer deal. >> >> but, i've heard they can be buggy. >> >> thoughts? thanks in advance! >> >> dylan >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 14:21:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64IJmW28668; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:19:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:19:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 11:20:13 -0700 From: Larry Stites Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? In-reply-to: <3361F320-AE48-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the information on the Yahoo group? Specific URL? > From: Mark Sottilaro > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:51:55 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Jon moderates a really good and > helpful XL-7 users group on yahoo though. It's come in handy for me. Regards, Larry E. Stites From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 14:35:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64IYVk29894; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:34:29 -0700 Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <260BEC30-AE4E-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 11:20 AM, Larry Stites wrote: > What's the information on the Yahoo group? Specific URL? > >> From: Mark Sottilaro >> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:51:55 -0700 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >> Jon moderates a really good and >> helpful XL-7 users group on yahoo though. It's come in handy for me. > > Regards, > > > Larry E. Stites > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 14:46:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64IifJ31149; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:44:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:44:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:44:36 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Capabilities (was Newbie question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307041714.h64HEPi22413@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <8F6D28E1-AE4F-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Simple" and "on the fly multitracking in a live context" aren't the most comfortable of bedfellows. I've got two EDPs that I use for this sort of thing, and you've got to come to grips with the EDP footcontroller, an A/B box to switch between the two EDPs, a line mixer to handle all the audio and mentally keeping track of what's in what loop on what box while playing your instrument and remembering your audience. Some people find this easier than others, but I'd recommend some time in the woodshed with this setup before you play out if you want to avoid unexpected empty loops, unsynchronized overdubs (learning how to completely reset all loops on all EDPs is a must), forgetting where your start point is on a particular loop/cycle. I don't want to scare you off, but it is a new skill which can really pay off, but it takes a bit of work. TravisH On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 10:14 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Now the question is, is it simple enough to use live via my feet to not > get in the way of my gig. > > Looping isn't my gig, it's just something I use to make my gig more > "interesting". Whatever I use MUST be simple. If the complexity of > making the thing do what I need gets in the way of the performance it's > not an option for me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 15:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64IwEN32466; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:58:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:58:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.168.143.58] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 14:58:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2003 18:58:07.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[348E0EB0:01C3425E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is 4 or 5 reviews here: http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Boss/DD_20-01.html I'm thinking of getting one but more for echo/slapbacks. I like the fact that you have presets, a tone control & a tap button. Cheers Lou >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Boss DD-20 >Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:34:08 -0700 > >This made me wonder about the Boss DD-20. Anyone use it? I'm mostly >interested in whether or not you can do a loop on it, keep it going while >you play over it, then open it back up and add to it. Being able to >control the feedback of the loop (when in and out of record) would be >crucial too. I've got a little gig to do and it doesn't seem like it >warrants dragging out the Repeater rack and the DD-20 might just do what I >need. Anyone write a review on this device? > >Mark _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 15:15:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64JEK201618; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 15:14:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 15:14:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 20:13:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? In-Reply-To: <3361F320-AE48-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2003 19:14:14.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[752BE350:01C34260] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h64JEJB01594 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, >I agree the sound quality is good, but you're probably going to want to >fill up those ROM slots.  The World Expedition ROM rules, but no >Digerydoo, Tambura or Tablas!  Fixed by adding the Protozoa ROM (on >special now for $100 at zzounds) and it has by far the best tambura >sound I've ever heard from a synth.  Pretty good digerydoo and tablas >too.  Over all the sound quality is higher and more interesting >especially on the percussion side.  My one complaint is the XL-7's ROM >has a bunch of typical techno sounds that I find a little stale.  I'm >curious to see if they release the new drum ROM that comes with the new >Command Station. So it sounds like you can use Proteus sound boards? are these similar to the Roland JV/XV boards? Is the board you mention the same sound set as the Planet Earth? My other question is how visual is the XL7? I'm always on the lookout for a good interactive hardware sequencer that I can use live with good sounds. So I'm wondering how much I'd need to look at the screen (I'm blind and use a magnifyer which is OK at home but not easy or desirable live). it looks like its got a lot of knobs & switches, do they all have preassigned functions? Thanks. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 16:19:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64KHbD06194; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:17:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <015b01c34253$604ec680$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <012601c3424f$5bf77720$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <015b01c34253$604ec680$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:16:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: multi-culti-open-loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Alphabet City is part of the East Village: see eg the official NYC >> tourist site, http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=438 > >20 years ago people were ashamed to make it part of the Village. unfortunately, gentrification has pushed everything east east east so you can now get a $75 meal on Avenue C. Stv Jns of Chama used to have a space, Gargoyle Mechanique, on Avenue B -- now that same space would easily cost $3K a month if not more. I often joke with him that after Chama, his next place will be in the East River... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 17:44:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64Lgde13062; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:42:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:42:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05a301c3430b$b6c83060$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <223B97F6-AE37-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Subject: headphones Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:40:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so i've set up a way to monitor guitar, bass, and synth all from the stage (goodbye, soundguy) and now i'm looking for a good pair of headphones that can handle a lot of sound without breaking up...they'll need to be able to drown out the drummer and hopefully overcome the p.a. any suggestions? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 18:55:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h64MsRA17999; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 18:54:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 18:54:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <17.3b41f444.2c375f9b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 18:54:19 EDT Subject: Re:EDP Loop Copy /was newbie question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17.3b41f444.2c375f9b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10629 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17.3b41f444.2c375f9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy folks, Yet another newbie here (we're everywhere!) Hey, thanks for the info on Loop Copy. I literally got my edp w/pedal board yesterday and was also interested in the loop copy function, among a billion (at least) other things. Now . . . . Loop Copy is not something one can easily do on the fly without an additional midi pedal/controller, right? Because LC is in a sub-menu. If you get the Behringer midi pedal (FCB1010) everyone here seems to use (see .. I HAVE been lurking for awhile ) you can assign loop copy to a midi note, hit the right pedal and ur all set . . . I think. Might be simpler to just make one looooong loop consisting of both verse and chorus? I think a maxxed out edp can do this no problem. That way ther's no switching or midi pedal to worry about. The drum machine(?) could just play and wouldn't have to be looped. Anyway, nice to be here and will be posting more as I get into this cool machine. Best Steve > > Just to further elaborate, once I lay down loop 1, does that set the > bounds > > for the > > remaining loops? What happens if loop 1 is longer than loop 2? Will loop 2 > > just be > > extended with silence for the duration of loop 1? > > Nice. These questions take you into some of the deeper capabilities of the > EDP. I'm not a complete expert here, but this is what I can tell you: > The EDP has a parameter called LoopCopy. It can be set to "Time", "Sound", > or "Off". If set to Time, Loop 2 will be the same length as Loop 1, but the > sound isn't copied from Loop 1. So yes, in that case, if you played too > fast on Loop 2, there'd by a space there. > > But, if you had set the LoopCopy parm to Sound, it would copy the sound from > Loop 1 (the drums) into Loop 2, and that would be playing as you overdub the > A riff onto Loop 2. So, there's a audio "guide" for you there, and you'll > play the A riff in time (won't you? :) ), and there will be 2 loops of > exactly the same length. > > If you set LoopCopy to Off, neither time nor sound is copied from Loop 1, so > it's "freeform". You wouldn't do this in the example you're giving, but > it's a great feature for other types of music. > > > > > Also, if I start loop 2 back up, does it start right away, or does it wait > > until the beginning > > of loop 1 again? > > Another great feature of the EDP. This is the SwitchQuantize parameter. If > set to "On", then yes, when you hit the NextLoop button, Loop 2 will start > exactly at the loop boundry (the end) of Loop 1. Keeps things in perfect > time. If SwitchQuantize is set to "Off", then the switch occurs as soon as > you hit the NextLoop button. You wouldn't want this in your example. > > > > > The info I've been able to find isn't very clear on this. > > > > Thanks! > > Welcome! > > Doug > --part1_17.3b41f444.2c375f9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy folks,

Yet another newbie here (we're everywhere!)

Hey, thanks for the info on Loop Copy.  I literally got my edp w/pedal=20= board yesterday and was also interested in the loop copy function, among a b= illion (at least) other things.

Now . . . . Loop Copy is not something one can easily do on the fly without=20= an additional midi pedal/controller, right?  Because LC is in a sub-men= u.

If you get the Behringer midi pedal (FCB1010) everyone here seems to use (se= e .. I  HAVE been lurking for awhile ) you can assign loop copy to a mi= di note, hit the right pedal and ur all set . . . I think.  

Might be simpler to just make one looooong loop consisting of both verse and= chorus?  I think a maxxed out edp can do this no problem.  That w= ay ther's no switching or midi pedal to worry about.  The drum machine(= ?) could just play and wouldn't have to be looped.

Anyway, nice to be here and will be posting more as I get into this cool mac= hine.

Best
Steve


> Just to further elaborate,= once I lay down loop 1, does that set the
bounds
> for the
> remaining loops? What happens if loop 1 is longer than loop 2? Will loo= p 2
> just be
> extended with silence for the duration of loop 1?

Nice.  These questions take you into some of the deeper capabilities of= the
EDP.  I'm not a complete expert here, but this is what I can tell you:<= BR> The EDP has a parameter called LoopCopy.  It can be set to "Time", "Sou= nd",
or "Off".  If set to Time, Loop 2 will be the same length as Loop 1, bu= t the
sound isn't copied from Loop 1.  So yes, in that case, if you played to= o
fast on Loop 2, there'd by a space there.


But, if you had set the LoopCopy parm to Sound, it would copy the sound from=
Loop 1 (the drums) into Loop 2, and that would be playing as you overdub the=
A riff onto Loop 2.  So, there's a audio "guide" for you there, and you= 'll
play the A riff in time (won't you? :) ), and there will be 2 loops of
exactly the same length.

If you set LoopCopy to Off, neither time nor sound is copied from Loop 1, so=
it's "freeform".  You wouldn't do this in the example you're giving, bu= t
it's a great feature for other types of music.

>
> Also, if I start loop 2 back up, does it start right away, or does it w= ait
> until the beginning
> of  loop 1 again?

Another great feature of the EDP.  This is the SwitchQuantize parameter= .  If
set to "On", then yes, when you hit the NextLoop button, Loop 2 will start exactly at the loop boundry (the end) of Loop 1.  Keeps things in perfe= ct
time.  If SwitchQuantize is set to "Off", then the switch occurs as soo= n as
you hit the NextLoop button.  You wouldn't want this in your example.
>
> The info I've been able to find isn't very clear on this.
>
> Thanks!

Welcome!

Doug


 --part1_17.3b41f444.2c375f9b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 20:20:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h650JT123434; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:19:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:19:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f501c3428b$213a6bb0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <223B97F6-AE37-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> <05a301c3430b$b6c83060$72a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: headphones Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 01:19:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, I have a pair of Sennheiser HD-25s. I use mine constantly, the isolation is excellent and they are pleasant sounding, not quite flat in response. They are comfortable despite being worn on the ear, both ears fold back so you can have one on and one off - a DJ induced design. Every single component is replaceable. I take them with me all the time when I do studio work Mine cost £140 3 years ago and have been very dependable and reliable. Perhaps you may consider an IEM solution There's a review on Drumdojo www.drumdojo.com and type IEM in the search engine. I'm sure there are many contenders for your cash :) Hope this is useful anyway Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: headphones > so i've set up a way to monitor guitar, bass, and synth all from the stage > (goodbye, soundguy) and now i'm looking for a good pair of headphones that > can handle a lot of sound without breaking up...they'll need to be able to > drown out the drummer and hopefully overcome the p.a. > > any suggestions? > > -jim > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 21:13:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h651CvR26118; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <189.1beeeb2d.2c378011@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:12:49 EDT Subject: Loop III ---> Loop IV Upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_189.1beeeb2d.2c378011_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10629 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_189.1beeeb2d.2c378011_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks, I plan to upgrade my Loop III to Loop IV and am wondering if there is any difference in the front panel between the two models. Obviously the firmware can be upgraded, but are there any critical differences in the unit's buttons or knobs? Best SteveK --part1_189.1beeeb2d.2c378011_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks,

I plan to upgrade my Loop III to Loop IV and am wondering if there is any di= fference in the front panel between the two models.  Obviously the firm= ware can be upgraded, but are there any critical differences in the unit's b= uttons or knobs?

Best
SteveK --part1_189.1beeeb2d.2c378011_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 21:13:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h651CP026049; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05bf01c34328$e1645e30$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <223B97F6-AE37-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> <05a301c3430b$b6c83060$72a44a43@g0wn7> <01f501c3428b$213a6bb0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Subject: Re: headphones Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:08:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3dTJmB.A.4WG.5XiB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, i think i want a pair that cover the entire ear (thus better isolation) unless iem's might do this better. the cheap pair of akg's that i'm currently using are breaking up at a very low lever and the sound turns to mush real fast. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 4 22:49:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h652len31642; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 22:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 22:47:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F063B81.6010509@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 20:44:17 -0600 From: jason User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:T Shirt Status References: <200307041315.h64DFW101388@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200307041315.h64DFW101388@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com okay, that settles it... no Glow in the Dark ink next year! -jas >Heh, in one of my old bands, t-shirts with our logo on >the front were brisk sellers at gigs, so we had to >have them printed kinda often. One time, we went with >a 'glow-in-the-dark' ink as the logo's outline. At the >very first gig where we were selling the glowing >shirts, it was kind of hot and muggy, and a couple >dozen people bought them, took off the shirts they >were wearing, and put on their new t-shirts, unwashed. > >After about an hour, several of those people had red >rashes on their chests in the shape of our logo! > >-t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 00:26:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h654PV704510; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F066330.4000009@usa.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 22:33:36 -0700 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphones References: <200307050113.h651Dls26298@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ZmHmC.A.WGB.7MlB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "jimfowler" asked: <<>> Check out the top of the line Sony's. They are not cheap (list for $250) but are a serious closed ear phone with monitor-like sound quality. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 00:33:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h654Wir05079; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:32:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:32:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: headphones Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:32:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c342ae$75972bd0$1e2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <3F066330.4000009@usa.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-cdCnC.A.OPB.sTlB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are these for live performance or rehearsal? If for a live show, why not go with in-ear monitors? Just curious... Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > << all from the > stage (goodbye, soundguy) and now i'm looking for a good pair of > headphones that can handle a lot of sound without breaking > up...they'll > need to be able to drown out the drummer and hopefully > overcome the p.a. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 03:37:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h657aE914076; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 03:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 03:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:36:13 -0700 Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5AA513BE-AEBB-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > So it sounds like you can use Proteus sound boards? are these similar > to the > Roland JV/XV boards? Is the board you mention the same sound set as > the Planet > Earth? Actually, I don't know if they're the same as the Proteus boards. I don't think so, but I do know the Protozoa ROM has sounds from the Proteus 1, 2 and 3. The board I mention is the same as the one that comes out of the PlanetEarth, and in my case, it came out of a PlanetEarth > My other question is how visual is the XL7? I'm always on the lookout > for a good interactive hardware sequencer that I can use live with > good sounds. So I'm wondering how much I'd need to look at the screen > (I'm blind and use a magnifyer which is OK at home but not easy or > desirable live). it looks like its got a lot of knobs & switches, do > they all have preassigned functions? Hmmm. I think you could do a lot without looking at the screen much, but I'm kind of a newbie so probably bad to say. I'm far from mastering this box. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 04:45:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h658hsp17496; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 04:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 04:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:42:31 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C342E2.2376B490" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001101c34203$2cf9a840$2ccfc22b@AOstler> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000006B7DDDF0E0E91147AB36B3B294E9DCF8A4A34D00 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C342E2.2376B490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > get 'em while they're hot: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cambridgeloopfest/ > > > cheers, > os. Would love to listen to this, but my powerbook broke down last year and I'm now on a WinXP laptop. Any ideas of how to play back these files? XP media player couldn't handle it. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C342E2.2376B490 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+IiAIAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGAAcAAQAAAAAAAAEGgAMADgAAANMHBwAF AAoAKgAAAAYAIAEBA5AGADQHAAAtAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAAD AC4AAAAAAAIBMQABAAAAGAAAAAAAAABrfd3w4OkRR6s2s7KU6dz4BKNNAAMANgAAAAAAHgBwAAEA AAAfAAAAY2FtYnJpZGdlIGxvb3BmZXN0IGF1ZGlvIGZpbGVzAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABw0LRQyfZ one5Fx9G+Zz4XpKswIXhAAACAR0MAQAAABYAAABTTVRQOkJPWVNFTkBDSEVMTE8uU0UAAAALAAEO AAAAAEAABg4AvMNM0ULDAQIBCg4BAAAAGAAAAAAAAABrfd3w4OkRR6s2s7KU6dz4woAAAAMAFA4A AAAACwAfDgEAAAAeACgOAQAAACEAAAAwMDAwMDAwMgFib3lzZW5AY2hlbGxvLnNlAWJveXNlbgAA AAAeACkOAQAAACEAAAAwMDAwMDAwMgFib3lzZW5AY2hlbGxvLnNlAWJveXNlbgAAAAACAQkQAQAA ACwCAAAoAgAARQMAAExaRnUiNOz5AwAKAHJjcGcxMjXiMgNDdGV4BUEBAwH3/wqAAqQD5AcTAoAP 8wBQBFY/CFUHshElDlEDAQIAY2jhCsBzZXQyBgAGwxEl9jMERhO3MBIsETMI7wn3tjsYHw4wNREi DGBjAFAzCwkBZDM2FlALpiA+BCBnFCAgJ2VtIAR3aAMQZSB0aGUEeScYICBob3Q6LwqiCoAc8B62 aAJAcDoMLy8JwAhgcHMueVJhHnBvLgWgbSAUL2xjYQbQBRBkHRAXsG/kcGYHkHQvHr4ethPQ6wng FAAsHrZvIHAetB60olcIYGxkIBewdh3R/m8mYAQADrADoCbBHfAEABAsIGJ1BUBteSCYcG93BJAG 4G9rJ+D1A2BrHdBkKHADoAtgIoA4IHllCsEAcCZQSScdHXBuKHAlEAOgYSBXuQuAWFApoQUwIkAu EMCebihAIeAqEAQgb2YeYe8H4CbBC1EoQGIA0CjgHfGJFBAgZh2xcz8gK5F/KCAJgAcwLXMSgQWg JjFunicFQBPgKmAdwWl0JUu+QiJxHYAEAC4xJVpQEoG4Qm95FBALkB7DXzRvazV+HrR3NuAuBuAz wi7/FBA2iCIiA2ADcCDiHrQftf0igHUvUCDQIeE3gSKlNuLwZnV6ejeLIFEogAEAKzdwOOdQHnBu HdAgKwA0NiAoMCk4IGAzNDExOBrzCoBNrG9iHbI+BTcWUDQ+oFg2NzEVMB7DfUFAHgBCEAEAAAAp AAAAPDAwMTEwMWMzNDIwMyQyY2Y5YTg0MCQyY2NmYzIyYkBBT3N0bGVyPgAAAAADAJIQAAAAAAIB FDoBAAAAEAAAAKLZZEx4MfhHvI+3a8XPxTQDAN4/n04AAAMACVkBAAAAAwBAZQAAAAALAAGACCAG AAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAADhQAAAAAAAAMAEIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAADjkAEA HgASgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAFAAAAMTAuMAAAAAALABaACCAGAAAAAADA AAAAAAAARgAAAACChQAAAQAAAAsAQ4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwBFgAgg BgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADAEeACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAA AAMAW4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAACwBqgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA BoUAAAAAAAACAfgPAQAAABAAAABrfd3w4OkRR6s2s7KU6dz4AgH6DwEAAAAQAAAAa33d8ODpEUer NrOylOnc+AIB+w8BAAAAoQAAAAAAAAA4obsQBeUQGqG7CAArKlbCAABtc3BzdC5kbGwAAAAAAE5J VEH5v7gBAKoAN9luAAAAQzpcRG9jdW1lbnRzIGFuZCBTZXR0aW5nc1xBZG1pbmlzdHJhdPZyXExv a2FsYSBpbnN05GxsbmluZ2FyXEFwcGxpY2F0aW9uIERhdGFcTWljcm9zb2Z0XE91dGxvb2tcb3V0 bG9vay5wc3QAAAAAAwD+DwUAAAADAA00/TcCAAIBFDQBAAAAEAAAAE5JVEH5v7gBAKoAN9luAAAC AX8AAQAAADEAAAAwMDAwMDAwMDZCN0REREYwRTBFOTExNDdBQjM2QjNCMjk0RTlEQ0Y4QTRBMzRE MDAAAAAAAwAGEHdGh9wDAAcQUwEAAAMAEBABAAAAAwAREAAAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABHRVRFTVdI SUxFVEhFWVJFSE9UOkhUVFA6Ly9HUk9VUFNZQUhPT0NPTS9HUk9VUC9DQU1CUklER0VMT09QRkVT VC9DSEVFUlMsT1NXT1VMRExPVkVUT0xJU1RFTlRPVEhJUyxCAAAAAEy3 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C342E2.2376B490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 05:16:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h659FLR18695; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 05:15:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 05:15:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.2d8bae6c.2c37f11f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 05:15:11 EDT Subject: Re: Re: RE: Digital Out on MD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I suspect they convert it from ATRAC to analog, then redigitize it, so > there wouldn't be much difference between that and running an analog > out and into the soundcard on your computer. why do you think that? surely the ATRAC has to be converted to an uncompressed format before going to the D/A I use a small sony portable for field recording, and a the cheapest available tabletop MD with a digital SPDIF out to transfer to pc. (that works out cheaper than a portable with digi-out as far as I know) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 05:19:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h659IaT18844; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 05:18:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 05:18:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1d8.d4c8e76.2c37f1e0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 05:18:24 EDT Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest audio files To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd love to listen, but I can't join another list. Too much. > > Mark you can set it up so that you don't get sent any mails (just special updates from the moderator) ......so no excuses now ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 05:22:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h659LTA19008; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 05:21:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 05:21:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:21:14 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C342E7.8C4CAE20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001101c34203$2cf9a840$2ccfc22b@AOstler> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000006B7DDDF0E0E91147AB36B3B294E9DCF864AA4D00 X-spam-white: found in SE.rbl.cluecentral.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C342E7.8C4CAE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > get 'em while they're hot: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cambridgeloopfest/ > > > cheers, > os. Would love to listen to this, but my powerbook broke down last year and I'm now on a WinXP laptop (beside the main studio machine that is now away for service). Any ideas of how to play back these files? XP media player couldn't handle it. 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In-Reply-To: <5AA513BE-AEBB-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2003 10:22:59.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[6849C0B0:01C342DF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h65AN0B21620 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Mark. At 08:36 05/07/03 , you wrote: > >On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > >> So it sounds like you can use Proteus sound boards? are these similar >> to the >> Roland JV/XV boards? Is the board you mention the same sound set as >> the Planet >> Earth? > >Actually, I don't know if they're the same as the Proteus boards.  I >don't think so, but I do know the Protozoa ROM has sounds from the >Proteus 1, 2 and 3.  The board I mention is the same as the one that >comes out of the PlanetEarth, and in my case, it came out of a >PlanetEarth > >> My other question is how visual is the XL7? I'm always on the lookout >> for a good interactive hardware sequencer that I can use live with >> good sounds. So I'm wondering how much I'd need to look at the screen  >> (I'm blind and use a magnifyer which is OK at home but not easy or >> desirable live). it looks like its got a lot of knobs & switches, do >> they all have preassigned functions? > >Hmmm. I think you could do a lot without looking at the screen much, >but I'm kind of a newbie so probably bad to say.  I'm far from >mastering this box. > >Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 08:55:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65CrMp28454; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 08:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 08:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030705125316.892.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 05:53:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re:T Shirt Status To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F063B81.6010509@cabq.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <57BrIC.A.e8G.CpsB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On one guy, the edges of his rash were so defined you could actually read most of our band name! Next: Loopers Delight logo chest tattoos; separating the devoted from the ersatz... :-P -t- --- jason wrote: > okay, that settles it... no Glow in the Dark ink > next year! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 09:11:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65D9vO29358; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 09:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 09:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030705130951.32833.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 06:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: RE: headphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c342ae$75972bd0$1e2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-26591174-1057410591=:28502" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-26591174-1057410591=:28502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii for live use. would iem's provide better isolation compared to closed ear phones? i would think that iem's can't get that loud, but then again i've never looked into it. -jim --0-26591174-1057410591=:28502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
for live use.  would iem's provide better isolation compared to closed ear phones?  i would think that iem's can't get that loud, but then again i've never looked into it.
 
-jim
--0-26591174-1057410591=:28502-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 13:12:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65H5u811780; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:05:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:05:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:05:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Noisy Footswitches Slight Return/Cellofects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <49190.162.83.149.173.1057423632.squirrel@mail.zoekeating.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that the old brown pedal with the option for two sub-octaves? That's a whole different (and more difficult to manage) beast. And in general, the harmonizer effects become less effective with lower incoming pitches, so what works for viola or guitar might not be so groovy on cello. TravisH On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 09:47 AM, zoekeating.com wrote: > I've got a Boss Octave pedal but don't use it much because the sound > quality is so strange. It's ok for a low, rumble effect here and there. > >> A violist I know uses that Boss Harmonist pedal, and it sounds great >> and I never hear about any tracking problems. >> >> Travis H >> >> On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 06:14 AM, >> Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> >>> We also talked a little about effects on the cello; >>> can any of you with looped/amplified cello experience >>> recommend a good sub-octave device, something that >>> tracks well with a cello and puts out a monster bass >>> sound? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 13:14:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65HCGG12181; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:12:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:12:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04b101c34319$63c25770$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: Another EDP question Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:18:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've been reading up on the EDP as it sounds like it's just the ticket for being able to maniplate multiple loops live. It's looking to me like, however, it won't allow me to store and recall actual sounds like the Loop Station does. Am I correct in that the momery can't be used to store loops for later recall? The only mention I've heard of that is MIDI dump and load, which means I'd have to have a sequencer and a sound module I guess (I'm really pretty primitive when it comes to this MIDI stuff! What I've BEEN doing is using my Roland SPD-6 to tap out patterns. I've been storing some of the more common loops in the loop station memory locations, but I still tap a few out on the fly in my live act. I don't want to load myself down with a full blown MIDI rig though. I get the idea that for most users of this unit, it's assume that either a) is layering sounds that are always on the fly and not something being recalled like in my Loop Station, or b) the user has a midi rig in the picture. Am I getting this right, or have I missed something in the manual? Thanks again for your input on this! Paul Sanders Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 13:23:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65HMTj13116; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:22:27 -0700 Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3FE2628A-AF0D-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 09:23 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 7/4/03 10:51 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> When I got the PlanetEarth I was pretty impressed with it's >> sounds and thought, "if only my 307 sounded like this..." > > Glad you are enjoying the Planet Earth (or at least its ROM). I am! Thank you. I hope the EchoPro has a nice home as well. The good thing about a ROMpler like this for me is that it's like having a great sampler that I don't have to do all the work of sampling and loading up samples. Sure, it doesn't have any quirky rants from William Burroughs or funny lines from B movies, but I'm so over that. > I looked repeatedly at the XL-7/MP-7 -- though generally when they > were more expensive. Yeah, they weren't even in my RADAR when they were $1200 or some thing. $499 is a bargain and a half though. They're making a new model too with a new sound set. Get this: It's gray! What happened at E-MU? Did their parents come home? > When I played with them at Guitar Center, they seemed great for > playing back existing sequences but they weren't screaming "come > program me". It's interesting to hear that you managed to get into it > without too big a threshold. Yeah, some of my differences of opinion with blz is that the UI on this baby is a little vague. Almost all of the buttons are exactly the same with tiny writing under them to designate their function. With all that colored paint flying around E-MU, I wish they put some on their buttons to color code them. Stop, Play and Record are all exactly the same, butted right next to each other. On the other hand, it's pads are the best I've ever felt on any drum machine by far. Nice rubber pads that are velocity sensitive with after-touch! When I got the Roland MC-307 home and realized that for $799 it didn't have touch sensitive pads or even an easy way to program in an accent, I was appalled. > I have yet to figure out what I'm going to do for those cases where my > rhythmic vision exceeds my rhythmic skill on the HandSonic. I've found that my rhythmic skills on keyboard are far superior than they ever were using a Roland drum pad. That with the fact that only having 6 sounds available to me at a time (what's the Hansonic? 12?) made me abandon the drum-pad as a controller. It looked good at a show, but wasn't practical for me. Actually, I find it kind of weird that my keyboard skills seem to improve at a rate that's much higher than my guitar skills ever did and *especially* faster than my hand drumming skills. I must admit that I've been doing almost all my synth stuff via the Novation ReMote25 since I got it and my Yamaha G50 guitar controller is getting very jealous. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 13:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65Han014186; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:36:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:36:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:36:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Another EDP question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <04b101c34319$63c25770$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: <40CC7084-AF0F-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <83yFlB.A.idD.xywB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 10:18 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been reading up on the EDP as it sounds like it's just the ticket > for being able to maniplate multiple loops live. > > It's looking to me like, however, it won't allow me to store and > recall actual sounds like the Loop Station does. Am I correct in that > the momery can't be used to store loops for later recall? That's right. The EDP's memory is RAM. Gone when you turn it off. You can go from loop to loop while the unit is on though. If you want a looper that can recall old stored loops you might look into getting a used Repeater. It's out of production but you can get up to 99 loops on a CFC card and each one can have up to four mono tracks. It's my looper of choice and I love it. Another option that people are getting into is using a laptop with Ableton's Live software. > The only mention I've heard of that is MIDI dump and load, which > means I'd have to have a sequencer and a sound module I guess (I'm > really pretty primitive when it comes to this > MIDI stuff! Don't even think of using a MIDI dump/load. It's so damn slow you'll hate it. You might think of the much talked about drum machine as a possibility. You can record your drum pad as MIDI data and loop it that way. No audio looping required. My E-MU XL-7 can do this and my Roland MC-307 could do this. What I'm doing is using the drum machine (really more of a sequencer with on board sounds though) to get my basic drum loops, then feeding other drum sounds into my looper as audio. This gives me the flexibility of doing nice layering and effects that you can't do with MIDI. The EDP or Repeater would both work for this purpose. Having a MIDI syncable looper is crucial though and they're the best at doing this, though the old JamMan did an OK job too. Hope this helps, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 13:40:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65Hdn914419; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:39:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:39:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Another EDP question Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 19:39:32 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3432D.29870650" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <04b101c34319$63c25770$0600a8c0@money2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000006B7DDDF0E0E91147AB36B3B294E9DCF8A4B14D00 X-spam-white: found in SE.rbl.cluecentral.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C3432D.29870650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Fr=E5n: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net]=20 > the ticket for being able to maniplate multiple loops live. >=20 > It's looking to me like, however, it won't allow me to store=20 > and recall actual sounds like the Loop Station does.=20 No, that's right. But IMO (and use) the EDP is unbeatable as a "looping instrument" on stage; that is if you provide the audio to loop. However, = to me it seems you would be better off with a laptop loaded with Ableton = Live? Then you could control all kind of preloaded looping audio snippets from = any midi controller. 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 14:18:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65IH9v18464; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:17:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:17:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:17:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Re: RE: Digital Out on MD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307051740.h65Hels14520@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6sH09.A.XgE.lYxB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because it'd probably be cheaper from a manufacturing perspective. They've already got ATRAC-to-analog converters in every MD player. They've already got analog-to-digital converters from other projects. Why spend the money to make an ATRAC-to-uncompressed-digital converter when they could just chain together two already existing components? The goal of MD in the marketplace wasn't flawless sound reproduction. Think of all the "stereo" effects boxes that have stereo-in and stereo-out jacks, but collapse the signal to mono during processing then "re-stereoize" it at the end. You lose all your stereo info going in, but it's a cheaper box to build. TravisH On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 10:40 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> I suspect they convert it from ATRAC to analog, then redigitize it, so >> there wouldn't be much difference between that and running an analog >> out and into the soundcard on your computer. > > why do you think that? > > surely the ATRAC has to be converted to an > uncompressed format before going to the D/A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 14:30:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65ITrY19332; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030705112825.044c2908@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:30:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop III ---> Loop IV Upgrade In-Reply-To: <189.1beeeb2d.2c378011@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:12 PM 7/4/2003, GelRest@aol.com wrote: >I plan to upgrade my Loop III to Loop IV and am wondering if there is any >difference in the front panel between the two models. Obviously the >firmware can be upgraded, but are there any critical differences in the >unit's buttons or knobs? upgrading from LoopIII to LoopIV doesn't change anything physically about the echoplex, it is just software. The basic functionality of everything remains the same. LoopIV adds many enhancements and new features on top of what was already there. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 14:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65IqRd20695; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:52:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:52:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030705113107.02517320@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:53:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:EDP Loop Copy /was newbie question In-Reply-To: <17.3b41f444.2c375f9b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <23I6bB.A.ODF.r5xB_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:54 PM 7/4/2003, GelRest@aol.com wrote: >Hey, thanks for the info on Loop Copy. I literally got my edp w/pedal >board yesterday and was also interested in the loop copy function, among a >billion (at least) other things. > >Now . . . . Loop Copy is not something one can easily do on the fly >without an additional midi pedal/controller, right? Because LC is in a >sub-menu. no, LoopCopy is something done on the fly. The only reason to go into the parameter menu is to set the LoopCopy parameter, which determines how LoopCopy happens, but doesn't execute it. There are two primary ways to do LoopCopy. If you set the LoopCopy parameter to Sound or Time, the copy will happen automatically anytime you switch into an empty loop. (the switching can be done with the NextLoop button or Midi triggers.) This way is simple and easy to use, but not so flexible. The second way is to take advantage of the SwitchQuant waiting period for quantized loop switching. When you have SwitchQuant set to cycle, loop, or confirm, you go into a waiting period after you tell the Echoplex to change loops. It then waits for the next cycle, loop point, or confirming action before it switches, with the screen showing the loop it is about to switch to. During that waiting time you can set the echoplex up to do a variety of things immediately when it goes to the new loop. Pressing Multiply then tells it to do Sound copy. Insert tells it to do time copy. Record tells it to start recording when it gets there. Mute, Overdub, and other such functions turn on their usual functions in the new loop. Pressing NextLoop lets you select which loop you jump too, so you can jump to any loop instead of just the next one. This method gives you ultimate flexibility, but it takes a couple button presses and is a bit more complicated. All of it can be done with just the standard footpedal and doesn't require midi. Sound Copy is really the same as doing a Multiply of your starting loop into the new loop. Time copy is the same as doing an Insert into the new loop. Just as with those functions you can overdub new material while the copy is happening, which is very efficient for live use. Also like Multiply/Insert, the copy continues to add new cycles until you tell it to stop. (you stop the copy with a press of Multiply or Insert, because it really is multiply/insert!) So for example, a 1 bar drum loop in loop 1 can be copied to loop 2 in real-time while you overdub an 8 bar verse section. It would all be done seamlessly on the fly and only take two button presses, and you never have to stop playing. (or 3 presses if you use the switchquant method.) > The drum machine(?) could just play and wouldn't have to be looped. if you are using a drum sequencer for the drums, it seems to me it is much easier to just sync it to the midi clock of the looper instead of trying to actually record it into the loop. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 15:21:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65JKir23061; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:20:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04d101c3432b$564cbbf0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <40CC7084-AF0F-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Another EDP question Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:26:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hate it. You might think of the much talked about drum machine as a > possibility. You can record your drum pad as MIDI data and loop it > that way. No audio looping required. My E-MU XL-7 can do this and my Sounds to me like your machines are a bit more than just "drum machines" though. After sending this message I did recall that I still have this little Alesis SR-16 drum machine. I guess I could get my patterns set up there and fire them off. So the EDP will sync with the midi clock for tempo, or vice versa huh. Cool. On a slightly different note, if I have a loop going on the EDP, can I alter the tempo of the already recorded loop? Say I layed down a guitar part to slow or fast. Can I bump the tempo up or down without re-recording the part? And one last thing (for now anyway), do most of you who use the EDP use the optional floor pedal, or do you use floor midi controller? I've read gripes about the light duty switches. I assume everything the floor pedal does can be controlled via MIDI too, correct? Thanks a bunch! Paul "Gradually zeroing in on the EDP" Sanders > Roland MC-307 could do this. What I'm doing is using the drum machine > (really more of a sequencer with on board sounds though) to get my > basic drum loops, then feeding other drum sounds into my looper as > audio. This gives me the flexibility of doing nice layering and > effects that you can't do with MIDI. The EDP or Repeater would both > work for this purpose. Having a MIDI syncable looper is crucial though > and they're the best at doing this, though the old JamMan did an OK job > too. > > Hope this helps, > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 15:25:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65JOSP23313; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:24:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:24:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c3432b$b99dff20$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?The_Ambient_Ping_presents_S=F6ftware_with_Toastybird_Visua?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ls?= Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:29:17 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 15:57:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65Juah25598; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:56:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:56:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: headphones Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:56:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c3432f$87af91a0$1e2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3430E.009DF1A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20030705130951.32833.qmail@web80210.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3430E.009DF1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IEM's can get very loud if you are not careful, but I think their popularity is the fact you *don't* see them. There is a local smooth jazz band that plays regularly, and they play with headphones on...all 6 of them. Their sound is very good, but I would trade a little sound quality for less of a separation between the performer and audience. The non musicians I know say it is not only visually distracting, but, as an audient, they felt detached. Now I am all for hearing what you do on stage, and not putting your sound in the hands of a sound guy (especially for smaller groups)...which is why in ear monitors are perfect. I have used them before, but they are overkill for my band (3-6 pieces)...we just turn the stage volume down, and have gotten used to not having direct monitors. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com for live use. would iem's provide better isolation compared to closed ear phones? i would think that iem's can't get that loud, but then again i've never looked into it. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3430E.009DF1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
IEM's = can get very=20 loud if you are not careful, but I think their popularity is the fact = you=20 *don't* see them.
There = is a local=20 smooth jazz band that plays regularly, and they play with headphones = on...all 6=20 of them. Their sound is very good, but I would trade a little sound = quality for=20 less of a separation between the performer and audience. The non = musicians I=20 know say it is not only visually distracting, but, as an audient, they = felt=20 detached.
Now I = am all for=20 hearing what you do on stage, and not putting your sound in the hands of = a sound=20 guy (especially for smaller groups)...which is why in ear monitors are = perfect.=20
I have = used them=20 before, but they are overkill for my band (3-6 pieces)...we just turn = the stage=20 volume down, and have gotten used to not having direct=20 monitors.
 

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for live use.  would iem's provide better isolation compared = to=20 closed ear phones?  i would think that iem's can't get that loud, = but=20 then again i've never looked into it.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3430E.009DF1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 15:58:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65Jw0Y25751; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:58:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:58:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c34330$2642a960$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <223B97F6-AE37-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> <05a301c3430b$b6c83060$72a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: headphones Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:00:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [68.160.42.85] at Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:57:53 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suggest breaking the problem into two parts: 1) blocking out the drums 2) hearing other things So, at the risk of looking a bit daft on stage, you may want to get: 1) some plastic safety ear-muffs as used by folks at airports and powerstations -- and even some rock musicians, and then 2) some "in-ear" design style headphones like the Aiwa HP-V600 headphones. Good luck. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: headphones > so i've set up a way to monitor guitar, bass, and synth all from the stage > (goodbye, soundguy) and now i'm looking for a good pair of headphones that > can handle a lot of sound without breaking up...they'll need to be able to > drown out the drummer and hopefully overcome the p.a. > > any suggestions? > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 16:00:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65Jxtf25990; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:59:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:59:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 12:59:53 -0700 Subject: Rise of the machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <04d101c3432b$564cbbf0$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: <3E2CE56C-AF23-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 12:26 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > Sounds to me like your machines are a bit more than just "drum > machines" though. Well, a drum machine is just a sequencer with drum sounds. Companies are marketing these things as "grooveboxes" or "Command Stations." Call them what you like, but the end result is the same. Some have more features and sounds than others. I just spent some time doing something that I never did before. Looping in the midi domain. I now know what Jon B was talking about. Pretty damn fun. So far the only thing I'm missing (and it's a pretty big thing) is the ability to control "feedback" like you do on an audio looper. I can record and delete notes at will, but I loose the ability to gradually have my new stuff replace my old stuff. At this point I'm wondering if that's totally necessary, since I've got a ton of audio looping going on. I've seen Jon play live (a must see for those of you who haven't) and he seems to pull it off really well. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 16:14:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65KDhr26809; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:13:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:13:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c34332$5879a9e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3E2CE56C-AF23-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Rise of the machines Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:16:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.160.42.85] at Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:13:37 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those "groove-boxes" have been falling out style for a year maybe two now. I'm guessing most people into them have been moving to laptops for greater control and flexibility. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 3:59 PM Subject: Rise of the machines > On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 12:26 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > Sounds to me like your machines are a bit more than just "drum > > machines" though. > > Well, a drum machine is just a sequencer with drum sounds. Companies > are marketing these things as "grooveboxes" or "Command Stations." > Call them what you like, but the end result is the same. Some have > more features and sounds than others. > > I just spent some time doing something that I never did before. > Looping in the midi domain. I now know what Jon B was talking about. > Pretty damn fun. So far the only thing I'm missing (and it's a pretty > big thing) is the ability to control "feedback" like you do on an audio > looper. I can record and delete notes at will, but I loose the ability > to gradually have my new stuff replace my old stuff. At this point I'm > wondering if that's totally necessary, since I've got a ton of audio > looping going on. I've seen Jon play live (a must see for those of you > who haven't) and he seems to pull it off really well. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 16:40:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65Kcou28683; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:38:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04f401c34336$3f513f10$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <40CC7084-AF0F-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <04d101c3432b$564cbbf0$0600a8c0@money2> Subject: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:44:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the subject of using the "drum machine" with the EDP, I've been parusing the catalogs and see this new Roland SPD-S, which is like the SPD-6, but is a sampling unit. wondering if it can play a loop and sync to clocks, etc. Dang Roland doesn't post the manuals on their site, at least not that I've been able to find. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sanders" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Another EDP question > > hate it. You might think of the much talked about drum machine as a > > possibility. You can record your drum pad as MIDI data and loop it > > that way. No audio looping required. My E-MU XL-7 can do this and my > > Sounds to me like your machines are a bit more than just "drum machines" > though. > > After sending this message I did recall that I still have this little Alesis > SR-16 drum > machine. I guess I could get my patterns set up there and fire them off. So > the EDP > will sync with the midi clock for tempo, or vice versa huh. Cool. > > On a slightly different note, if I have a loop going on the EDP, can I alter > the tempo > of the already recorded loop? Say I layed down a guitar part to slow or > fast. Can I > bump the tempo up or down without re-recording the part? > > And one last thing (for now anyway), do most of you who use the EDP use the > optional floor pedal, or do you use floor midi controller? I've read gripes > about the light duty switches. I assume everything the floor pedal does can > be controlled via MIDI too, correct? > > Thanks a bunch! > > Paul "Gradually zeroing in on the EDP" Sanders > > > Roland MC-307 could do this. What I'm doing is using the drum machine > > (really more of a sequencer with on board sounds though) to get my > > basic drum loops, then feeding other drum sounds into my looper as > > audio. This gives me the flexibility of doing nice layering and > > effects that you can't do with MIDI. The EDP or Repeater would both > > work for this purpose. Having a MIDI syncable looper is crucial though > > and they're the best at doing this, though the old JamMan did an OK job > > too. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 17:22:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65LLaq31468; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:21:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:21:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:21:17 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001001c3433b$5fe6f990$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <04f401c34336$3f513f10$0600a8c0@money2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > > On the subject of using the "drum machine" with the EDP,//// (snip) Hi Paul, Just a short idea for an alternative: Recently I have exchanged my "drum machine" (a MC-303) for a microphone to mimic drums with my voice and record them into the loops. It's so much faster (need no programming) and way more fun! I just need to work a bit on my beatboxing chops ;-D One thing that is cool to do with the EDP is to beatbox hihat patterns in half-speed. When going back to normal speed your voice will sound crisp as dancehall hats, super tight and fast as hell. I still have problems though with providing a fat kick, but as stated above, I'm working on it. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 18:00:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65LxBx02319; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:59:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <150.2135866a.2c38a424@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:59:00 EDT Subject: Re:Loop III ---> Loop IV Upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_150.2135866a.2c38a424_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10629 Resent-Message-ID: <3y6zf.A.Gk.vo0B_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_150.2135866a.2c38a424_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, many thanks for the reply Kim. I guess I didn't word that right - - I should have said: Is the front panel of a factory Loop IV physically the same as an upgraded Loop III machine? Any new buttons or knobs? Somebody kindly wrote me off-line to say that there is no physical difference, but some of the buttons have different functions and the sub menu item "Reserved" is used to store loop presets. I'm wondering also if it is possible to pick up the upgrade in person. I live in the Bay Area (Mill Valley) and noticed the PO Box address for Aurisis is in Berkeley. I'm over that way often and wouldn't mind having the upgrade sooner than the 4 week shipping time. Best SteveK www.GelRest.com In a message dated 7/5/2003 2:23:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > At 06:12 PM 7/4/2003, GelRest@aol.com wrote: > >I plan to upgrade my Loop III to Loop IV and am wondering if there is any > >difference in the front panel between the two models. Obviously the > >firmware can be upgraded, but are there any critical differences in the > >unit's buttons or knobs? > > upgrading from LoopIII to LoopIV doesn't change anything physically about > the echoplex, it is just software. The basic functionality of everything > remains the same. LoopIV adds many enhancements and new features on top of > what was already there. > > kim > > --part1_150.2135866a.2c38a424_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, many thanks for the reply Kim.

I guess I didn't word that right - -  I should have said:  Is the=20= front panel of a factory Loop IV physically the same as an upgraded Loop III= machine?  Any new buttons or knobs?

Somebody kindly wrote me off-line to say that there is no physical differenc= e, but some of the buttons have different functions and the sub menu item "R= eserved" is used to store loop presets.

I'm wondering also if it is possible to pick up the upgrade in person. = I live in the Bay Area (Mill Valley) and noticed the PO Box address for Aur= isis is in Berkeley. I'm over that way often and  wouldn't mind having=20= the upgrade sooner than the 4 week shipping time.

Best
SteveK
www.GelRest.com

In a message dated 7/5/2003 2:23:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Deligh= t-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:


At 06:12 PM 7/4/2003, GelRest@a= ol.com wrote:
>I plan to upgrade my Loop III to Loop IV and am wondering if there is an= y
>difference in the front panel between the two models.  Obviously th= e
>firmware can be upgraded, but are there any critical differences in the=20=
>unit's buttons or knobs?

upgrading from LoopIII to LoopIV doesn't change anything physically about the echoplex, it is just software. The basic functionality of everything remains the same. LoopIV adds many enhancements and new features on top of <= BR> what was already there.

kim



 --part1_150.2135866a.2c38a424_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 18:12:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65MBD603200; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:11:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:11:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:11:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Rise of the machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307052122.h65LMio31552@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <94C461A4-AF35-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They're actually a bit different. Your classic drum machine lets you play one pattern at a time, and chain patterns together to form "songs". A pattern can be comprised of various drum/percussion sounds, but they're all on or all off within the pattern. You can't mute individual parts of a groove (high hat, snare, etc). A lot of groove boxes allow this, which makes them far superior in my book. It's like each drum is on it's own track, and you can mute or solo tracks while maintaining the overall synchronization. This helps get rid of that "canned drum machine" feel to some degree. TravisH On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 02:22 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Well, a drum machine is just a sequencer with drum sounds. Companies > are marketing these things as "grooveboxes" or "Command Stations." > Call them what you like, but the end result is the same. Some have > more features and sounds than others. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 18:52:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h65MpG506696; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:51:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:51:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.c8beb76.2c38b054@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:51:00 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Copy (was Newbie question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ea.c8beb76.2c38b054_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10629 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ea.c8beb76.2c38b054_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really appreciate the GREAT info Kim. It's gonna take me a few days to work on what you've laid out, with all the variations and all. Hmmm . . . I've got this national holiday . . . . The SwitchQuant function seems quite powerful, especially combined with Multiply or Record. Best SteveK www.GelRest.com >Now . . . . Loop Copy is not something one can easily do on the fly >without an additional midi pedal/controller, right? Because LC is in a >sub-menu. Kim wrote: no, LoopCopy is something done on the fly. The only reason to go into the parameter menu is to set the LoopCopy parameter, which determines how LoopCopy happens, but doesn't execute it. There are two primary ways to do LoopCopy. If you set the LoopCopy parameter to Sound or Time, the copy will happen automatically anytime you switch into an empty loop. (the switching can be done with the NextLoop button or Midi triggers.) This way is simple and easy to use, but not so flexible. The second way is to take advantage of the SwitchQuant waiting period for quantized loop switching. When you have SwitchQuant set to cycle, loop, or confirm, you go into a waiting period after you tell the Echoplex to change loops. It then waits for the next cycle, loop point, or confirming action before it switches, with the screen showing the loop it is about to switch to. During that waiting time you can set the echoplex up to do a variety of things immediately when it goes to the new loop. Pressing Multiply then tells it to do Sound copy. Insert tells it to do time copy. Record tells it to start recording when it gets there. Mute, Overdub, and other such functions turn on their usual functions in the new loop. Pressing NextLoop lets you select which loop you jump too, so you can jump to any loop instead of just the next one. This method gives you ultimate flexibility, but it takes a couple button presses and is a bit more complicated. All of it can be done with just the standard footpedal and doesn't require midi. Sound Copy is really the same as doing a Multiply of your starting loop into the new loop. Time copy is the same as doing an Insert into the new loop. Just as with those functions you can overdub new material while the copy is happening, which is very efficient for live use. Also like Multiply/Insert, the copy continues to add new cycles until you tell it to stop. (you stop the copy with a press of Multiply or Insert, because it really is multiply/insert!) So for example, a 1 bar drum loop in loop 1 can be copied to loop 2 in real-time while you overdub an 8 bar verse section. It would all be done seamlessly on the fly and only take two button presses, and you never have to stop playing. (or 3 presses if you use the switchquant method.) > The drum machine(?) could just play and wouldn't have to be looped. if you are using a drum sequencer for the drums, it seems to me it is much easier to just sync it to the midi clock of the looper instead of trying to actually record it into the loop. kim --part1_1ea.c8beb76.2c38b054_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Really appreciate the GREAT info Kim. 
It's gonna take me a few days to work on what you've laid out, with all the=20= variations and all. Hmmm  . . .  I've got this national holiday&nb= sp; . . . .

The SwitchQuant function seems quite powerful, especially combined with Mult= iply or Record.

Best
SteveK
www.GelRest.com

>Now . . . . Loop Copy is not something one can easily do on the fly
>without an additional midi pedal/controller, right?  Because LC is=20= in a
>sub-menu.

Kim wrote:

no, LoopCopy is something done on the fly. The only reason to go into the parameter menu is to set the LoopCopy parameter, which determines how
LoopCopy happens, but doesn't execute it. 

There are two primary ways to do LoopCopy. If you set the LoopCopy
parameter to Sound or Time, the copy will happen automatically anytime you <= BR> switch into an empty loop. (the switching can be done with the NextLoop
button or Midi triggers.) This way is simple and easy to use, but not so flexible.

The second way is to take advantage of the SwitchQuant waiting period for quantized loop switching. When you have SwitchQuant set to cycle, loop, or <= BR> confirm, you go into a waiting period after you tell the Echoplex to change=20=
loops. It then waits for the next cycle, loop point, or confirming action before it switches, with the screen showing the loop it is about to switch <= BR> to. During that waiting time you can set the echoplex up to do a variety of=20=
things immediately when it goes to the new loop. Pressing Multiply then
tells it to do Sound copy. Insert tells it to do time copy. Record tells it=20=
to start recording when it gets there. Mute, Overdub, and other such
functions turn on their usual functions in the new loop. Pressing NextLoop <= BR> lets you select which loop you jump too, so you can jump to any loop
instead of just the next one. This method gives you ultimate flexibility, but it takes a couple button presses and is a bit more complicated. All of <= BR> it can be done with just the standard footpedal and doesn't require midi.
Sound Copy is really the same as doing a Multiply of your starting loop
into the new loop. Time copy is the same as doing an Insert into the new loop. Just as with those functions you can overdub new material while the copy is happening, which is very efficient for live use. Also like
Multiply/Insert, the copy continues to add new cycles until you tell it to <= BR> stop. (you stop the copy with a press of Multiply or Insert, because it
really is multiply/insert!)

So for example, a 1 bar drum loop in loop 1 can be copied to loop 2 in
real-time while you overdub an 8 bar verse section. It would all be done seamlessly on the fly and only take two button presses, and you never have <= BR> to stop playing. (or 3 presses if you use the switchquant method.)


>   The drum machine(?) could just play and wouldn't have to be= looped.

if you are using a drum sequencer for the drums, it seems to me it is much <= BR> easier to just sync it to the midi clock of the looper instead of trying to=20=
actually record it into the loop.

kim

 --part1_1ea.c8beb76.2c38b054_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 20:28:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h660Qp712704; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:26:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:26:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <062b01c343eb$ca03d450$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <223B97F6-AE37-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> <05a301c3430b$b6c83060$72a44a43@g0wn7> <000f01c34330$2642a960$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: headphones Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 19:24:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aesthetics be damned...if we don't sound good on stage, who gives a hoot what we look like?! i know, headphones will give you that space-cadet look, but turntable "players" and other electronic folks get away with it all the time. it's mainly an isolation issue. the drummer simply can't hear the loops and blasting him away with a monitor 12" from his head turns to mush and thus compounds the problem. i think IEMs are the proper solution...anybody got a particular pair they like. i'd like to spend no more than 200 bucks, preferably less, but i don't want to buy total crap. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 20:46:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h660i9213949; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:44:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:44:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c34358$2946e180$8d00a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "Sarth" To: , , References: <20030630042745.73993.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:47:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I checked out the XL-7, it seemed that it will only change sections at the end of the pattern, no matter how many measures long, as opposed to my rs7000 say, which can be set to change at the 16th, 4th note or measure boundary. It was actually the main reason I didn't get it, because it seems that if you are playing back live sequences, and you have a 16 measure pattern, it is quite common to want to switch to the next section without waiting for the entire 16 measure phrase to end. Any thoughts/experience with that aspect of the xl-7? -- Sarth ----- Original Message ----- From: "sserendipity" To: ; Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? > > > speaking of the EMU XL-7... > > > > any thoughts or reviews? > > how easy is it sequence stuff in the studio? > > Easier than any of the other hardware sequencers. Not as good as a software > sequencer. > > > how easy is it to sequence a beat LIVE? > > It's the only box that allows you to record on the fly that includes a track > erase (i.e. undo) function. I don't think I have the confidence to do live > recording with out this. > > > i've heard it can/does crash-- any experience with this? > > No it doesn't. There was an OS version with a specific reproduceable bug, > that emu fixed. > > The current version of the OS is head and shoulders above all the others in > terms of function and simplicity. I've never crashed my emu in any case. > > > can it be trusted in the live setting? > > Yes. > > > how are the sounds? > > The sounds are the best part. Forget the Roland and Yamaha ones. Even the > ones with samplers built in can't compare, since their samplers are so > limited. I was looking a long time before I settled on the emu, since it > cost a lot more back then. > > > a while back, someone mentioned it can be used as a live > > MIDI looper, like a DL4 but for MIDI-- is this true? is it > > easy to do and use? > > Yes, I was the one mentioning it. There's no feedback control however. > > > how is it for a control surface feeding into other > > synths/sequencers? > > It's a nice bonus, but relatively unfeatured - you can program all the knobs > to send whatever CCs you want, but they aren't motorized, or as > comprehensive as, say, a Peavey PC1600. > > > > > i'm seriously considering one. I want to use it primarily > > for (1) simple MIDI drum controller for Cubase on the PC, > > Hmm. You're better off with a real drum controller - ie. Handsonic. Yes, I > do bang on the keys from time to time, a bit nicer than a keyboard, but a > bonus, not a selling point. > > > (2) live MIDI looper (3) LIVE drum machine (if possible, > > i'd like to program beats live) > > Yes, and yes. You can do live X0X style programming on this beast. > > , (4) static drum machine > > (pre-programmed beats), and (5) another synth module. I was > > considering the Akai MPD16 just for a drum pad controller, > > but with the ultra-low price on the XL-7 I'm thinking why > > not get so much more features for not a whole lot more > > money..... > > > > Haven't tried the MPD16, but from the looks of it, the emu's key's would be > relatively comparable. > > > FYI, at my Guitar Center (I work at GC in Crestwood, MO) > > XL-7 has a guaranteed low price of $449, killer deal. > > > > but, i've heard they can be buggy. > > Not in the least. Check the yahoo group for more info... > > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals > sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's > not for me." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dylan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:27 PM > Subject: EMU XL-7 thoughts? > > > > speaking of the EMU XL-7... > > > > any thoughts or reviews? > > how easy is it sequence stuff in the studio? > > how easy is it to sequence a beat LIVE? > > i've heard it can/does crash-- any experience with this? > > can it be trusted in the live setting? > > how are the sounds? > > a while back, someone mentioned it can be used as a live > > MIDI looper, like a DL4 but for MIDI-- is this true? is it > > easy to do and use? > > how is it for a control surface feeding into other > > synths/sequencers? > > > > i'm seriously considering one. I want to use it primarily > > for (1) simple MIDI drum controller for Cubase on the PC, > > (2) live MIDI looper (3) LIVE drum machine (if possible, > > i'd like to program beats live), (4) static drum machine > > (pre-programmed beats), and (5) another synth module. I was > > considering the Akai MPD16 just for a drum pad controller, > > but with the ultra-low price on the XL-7 I'm thinking why > > not get so much more features for not a whole lot more > > money..... > > > > FYI, at my Guitar Center (I work at GC in Crestwood, MO) > > XL-7 has a guaranteed low price of $449, killer deal. > > > > but, i've heard they can be buggy. > > > > thoughts? thanks in advance! > > > > dylan > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 21:03:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6612t414922; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:02:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:02:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:02:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Rise of the machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <94C461A4-AF35-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: <920489F0-AF4D-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <_Yb9QC.A.CpD._U3B_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, but in my thinking that's just a sequencer without enough features. Words like "groovebox" or "command station" are from marketers. Granted, they want to distinguish they're products from "drum machines" but they all fall into the family of sequencer. At first I kind of liked the way the Roland devices worked, but I grew to hate it. They lump "percussion" in one track and sometimes I don't want all my percussion going. Also, sometimes I want to filter or effect just the snare, but I had to effect the whole drum track. Too limiting. The Command Stations work this out much better letting you have 32 channels that you can put whatever you damn want on, mixing and matching as you go. Mark On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 03:11 PM, Travis wrote: > They're actually a bit different. Your classic drum machine lets you > play one pattern at a time, and chain patterns together to form > "songs". A pattern can be comprised of various drum/percussion > sounds, but they're all on or all off within the pattern. You can't > mute individual parts of a groove (high hat, snare, etc). > A lot of groove boxes allow this, which makes them far superior in my > book. It's like each drum is on it's own track, and you can mute or > solo tracks while maintaining the overall synchronization. This helps > get rid of that "canned drum machine" feel to some degree. > > TravisH > > On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 02:22 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> >> Well, a drum machine is just a sequencer with drum sounds. Companies >> are marketing these things as "grooveboxes" or "Command Stations." >> Call them what you like, but the end result is the same. Some have >> more features and sounds than others. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 21:08:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6617Tg15249; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:07:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:07:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:07:27 -0700 Subject: Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002c01c34358$2946e180$8d00a8c0@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <357C4D92-AF4E-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 05:47 PM, Sarth wrote: > When I checked out the XL-7, it seemed that it will only change > sections at the end of the pattern, no matter how many measures long > Any thoughts/experience with that aspect of the xl-7? > I'm thinking with 32 channels of sequencing on this I can probably get around that by having each pattern be multiple patterns and then muting and unmuting groups (somehow channels can be grouped but I've not figured that out yet...) On my Roland I rarely made patterns more than 8 bars for that reason. It didn't seem to bother me much. Also, the Command Station has additional tracks that can happen parallel to your patterns for extra song length information. Dat's da bomb. I loved that about my Ensonic TS-10 and have missed it ever since. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 5 22:26:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h662PK920498; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 22:25:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 22:25:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:29:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001001c3433b$5fe6f990$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > One thing that is cool to do with the EDP is to beatbox hihat patterns > in half-speed. When going back to normal speed your voice will sound > crisp as dancehall hats, super tight and fast as hell. I still have yeah .. that _does_ sound like it would be pretty cool. do you have any .mp3 examples? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 01:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6652dr30252; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:02:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:02:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <052401c3437c$a1c87320$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: Floor pedal or MIDI pedal for EDP? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:08:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm sorry if I asked this earlier, I can't recall if I did or not... Oh, and please pardon the level of traffic on this list! This has really helped me see the light though and think of a comprehensive solution that should solve all the problems I'm having with my looper setup! For those of you who have experience with the Echoplex Digital Pro, is it considered more desirable to have the floor board that's optional, or is it better to have a good midi foot controller? I'm going to go look at that Roland SPD-S. I need to sort out just how functional the sequencer is on it and if it sends/receives MIDI clock. If I can actually record a sequence from the pads on the machine itself and resample it to save it as a pattern, then have the sequencer play it back and loop it, then I'm golden with this and the EDP from what I can gather. I have a line on a new EDP, back stock I suppose, but no floor pedal. Thanks Paul Sanders Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 01:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h665Xri32097; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:33:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <055601c34380$fe85c3c0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:39:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7wY2tD.A.Z1H.BT7B_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I'm almost at the point where I'm sure this Echoplex looper will do enough of what I need to just take the leap and run with it. However, there's one detail that I'm not finding in the online manual: It discusses how I can trigger the start of individual loops randomly by sending MIDI note on message. This is great, however, it doesn't say how to STOP that loop. Is this a toggle thing? If I send note 48 which triggers loop 2, then send note 48 again, does it stop the loop, though allowing the others to remain playing? I know there's the mute button/switch, but according to the manual, that mutes the entire unit, which is what I'd expect as I'd damned well better be able to stop all the loops with one button. This ability to start (which I can clearly do!) but then *stop* a specific loop is crucial for my application. Is this easily doable with the EDP? Thanks (again), Paul Sanders Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 03:26:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h667P4405519; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:25:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:25:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 00:25:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <055601c34380$fe85c3c0$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just buy the god damn thing already, you know you want it. On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 10:39 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > Ok, I'm almost at the point where I'm sure this Echoplex looper will do > enough of what I need to just take the leap and run with it. > > However, there's one detail that I'm not finding in the online manual: > > It discusses how I can trigger the start of individual loops randomly > by > sending MIDI note on message. This is great, however, it doesn't say > how to > STOP that loop. Is this a toggle thing? If I send note 48 which > triggers > loop 2, then send note 48 again, does it stop the loop, though > allowing the > others to remain playing? > > I know there's the mute button/switch, but according to the manual, > that > mutes the entire unit, which is what I'd expect as I'd damned well > better be > able to stop all the loops with one button. > > This ability to start (which I can clearly do!) but then *stop* a > specific > loop is crucial for my application. > > Is this easily doable with the EDP? > > Thanks (again), > > Paul Sanders > Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 03:37:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h667b7x06314; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030706073701.53930.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 00:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7PWnhD.A.hiB.jG9B_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This ability to start (which I can clearly do!) > but then *stop* a specific loop is crucial for my > application. sounds like you are looking for a repeater there. unless loop IV changed things, the ability to work with independant loops is why i went with the 'peater (and am happy with both of my repeaters!) i'm also a coca-cola drinker... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 05:20:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h669Ism16190; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 05:18:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 05:18:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:18:36 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002101c3439f$94e91470$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > One thing that is cool to do with the EDP is to beatbox > hihat patterns > > in half-speed. When going back to normal speed your voice > will sound > > crisp as dancehall hats, super tight and fast as hell. I still have > > yeah .. that _does_ sound like it would be pretty cool. > > do you have any .mp3 examples? > > --- > Eric Williamson No, but I'll put some up any day. / Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 05:21:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h669FY016008; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 05:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 05:15:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Floor pedal or MIDI pedal for EDP? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:15:14 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002001c3439f$1d538620$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <052401c3437c$a1c87320$0600a8c0@money2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > For those of you who have experience with the Echoplex > Digital Pro, is it considered more desirable to have the > floor board that's optional, or is it better to have a good > midi foot controller? I have some good experience with the Behringehr FCB1010. In fact I sold my Gibson EDP floor board to work the EDP only by midi from the FCB. Best wishes Per Boysen www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 05:38:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h669aZK17845; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 05:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 05:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <001001c3433b$5fe6f990$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Subject: Re: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 02:36:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2003 09:36:29.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[140AF050:01C343A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > crisp as dancehall hats, super tight and fast as hell. I still have > problems though with providing a fat kick, but as stated above, I'm > working on it. If you use a sm58 or 57 (other dynamics work well too!) patch it through your trusty filter bank (electrix filter factory, or similar) and put it on low pass with a high resonance. Then just tap the mic - bingo - an 808 style kick that's as fat as your filter can resonate - tune the pitch of it with the cutoff freq. - you'll know when its right. Leave a little of the dry sound in there if you want more attack. You can also do wonders to your live hi-hat beatbox sound with your filter bank. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 06:18:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66AH6C19721; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 06:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 06:17:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 12:16:47 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002401c343a7$b5c7b770$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > crisp as dancehall hats, super tight and fast as hell. I still have > > problems though with providing a fat kick, but as stated above, I'm > > working on it. > From: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] > If you use a sm58 or 57 (other dynamics work well too!) patch > it through your trusty filter bank (electrix filter factory, > or similar) and put it on low pass with a high resonance. > Then just tap the mic - bingo - an 808 style kick that's as > fat as your filter can resonate - tune the pitch of it with > the cutoff freq. - you'll know when its right. Leave a > little of the dry sound in there if you want more attack. Yes, I'm sure that will do it. But except for the "lack of fat kick" I'm very happy with my recent set-up using the filter bank after the loopers. I guess a midi controllable audio patch bay would be a great solution? Rewiring the whole rig from FCB1010 foot controller programs!? Hmmm.... Have to put some thinking into this. Thanks for the inspiration, Jon! > You can also do wonders to your live hi-hat beatbox sound > with your filter bank. Jon Oh YES! When I bought my Akai MFC 42 dynamic filter I realised that "this is what I have been trying to emulate in software for years". Running the Ohmforce plug-ins under Logic comes pretty close but this is the real thing! And it is an instrument - not a "music production workstation". The beat synced filtering sounds beautifully inexact in such a musical way. Kindest... Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 07:44:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66BfGj24750; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 07:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 07:41:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c343b3$4d962b80$8ee35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for July 5, 2003 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 07:39:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C34391.B743D220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C34391.B743D220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #26 July 5, 2003. 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The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
            =    =20     Show #26       =20             July 5, = 2003.
 
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Code=20 Indigo           &= nbsp;=20 Eden to = Chaos           =20 Time Code (AD Music)
Klaus=20 Schulze           = Wierd=20 Caravan           = The=20 Essential (Caroline)
VA=20 [Navigator]         =20 Bliss           &n= bsp;       =20 Sequences No. 28=20 (Sequences)
Volt         =           =20 Part=20 One           &nbs= p;    =20 The Far Canal (Groove)
 
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VA [Ravi=20 Shankar]       Ragas in Minor=20 Scale     Windham Hill Chill=20 (Windham
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Hill)
VA [Philippe Saisse]    Glamorous=20 Glennis        Windham Hill Chill=20 (Windham
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Hill)
VA [Patrick O'Hearn]    Malevolent=20 Landscape     Windham Hill Chill=20 (Windham
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VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C34391.B743D220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 08:27:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66CPvf27482; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 08:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 08:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c343b9$b86f0480$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <150.2135866a.2c38a424@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re:Loop III ---> Loop IV Upgrade Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:25:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I guess I didn't word that right - - I should have said: Is the front panel > of a factory Loop IV physically the same as an upgraded Loop III machine? > Any new buttons or knobs? For the sake of Clarity, it probably helps to refer to the 'new' EDPs as 'EDP Plus' - that's what it says on the front... but no, there aren't any new buttons, just new functions programmed into some of the other buttons, along with all the old functions as well :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 09:55:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66DsOs32210; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 09:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 09:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 06:54:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Rise of the machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307060920.h669KLZ16296@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <57C27ED0-AFB9-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know that with the DR-202 you can apply the filter to individual instruments, or all the drums, or the bassline, etc. And the percussion was broken into seperate tracks. It's all a tradeoff between features and ease of use. Grooveboxes seemed to be tilted towards live use and realtime adjustments. When I think of a "sequencer", it's something that allows the creation and playback of MIDI information of any sort, but mostly pitched information. A sequencer can be used to build drum/percussion parts, but that's a small subset of its features. If you only want drum/percussion/basslines then you might be in the market for just a "groovebox". Viewing a groovebox as a sequencer with not enough features is like viewing a sequencer as a workstation without enough features. They're each their own things, and some of it is marketing fairy dust, but I think there's a niche for each of the devices. Put it this way--a metronome is a drum machine with a very limited feature set, but they're still quite useful, and if you want an inexpensive standalone piece of hardware to provide a click track, a metronome is the answer. Does anyone still make standalone sequencers? Something that provides creation and playback of MIDI sequences with no internal sound generating capability? TravisH On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 02:20 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Right, but in my thinking that's just a sequencer without enough > features. Words like "groovebox" or "command station" are from > marketers. Granted, they want to distinguish they're products from > "drum machines" but they all fall into the family of sequencer. > > At first I kind of liked the way the Roland devices worked, but I grew > to hate it. They lump "percussion" in one track and sometimes I don't > want all my percussion going. Also, sometimes I want to filter or > effect just the snare, but I had to effect the whole drum track. Too > limiting. The Command Stations work this out much better letting you > have 32 channels that you can put whatever you damn want on, mixing > and matching as you go. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 10:02:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66Duxa32443; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 09:56:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 09:56:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 06:56:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307060920.h669KLZ16296@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EDP can have multiple loops in memory, but can only play back one of those at any given time. It's not polyphonic in that regard. If you want to have say, three loops playing at the same time and be able to mute loops individually then you'd need three EDPs. TravisH On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 02:20 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > However, there's one detail that I'm not finding in the online manual: > > It discusses how I can trigger the start of individual loops randomly > by > sending MIDI note on message. This is great, however, it doesn't say > how to > STOP that loop. Is this a toggle thing? If I send note 48 which > triggers > loop 2, then send note 48 again, does it stop the loop, though > allowing the > others to remain playing? > > I know there's the mute button/switch, but according to the manual, > that > mutes the entire unit, which is what I'd expect as I'd damned well > better be > able to stop all the loops with one button. > > This ability to start (which I can clearly do!) but then *stop* a > specific > loop is crucial for my application. > > Is this easily doable with the EDP? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 10:23:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66EMjV01997; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:22:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:22:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <057101c343ca$e0934af0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:25 AM Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? > Just buy the god damn thing already, you know you want it. No, actaully I only need it. Which sucks. Buying things you *want* is fun.Buying things you *need* is a pain in the ass. What I DON'T need to do is buy something I can't return only to find out it's got a limitation that's yet another problem to solve. In other words, if I can't have shut down a rhythm guitar loop while leaving the percussion loop going, I'm no better off than I am with my $250 Loop Station for my particular application. But, laying awake in bed last night I think I figured out how to do this. Just be sure to use loop copy when adding a new loop for the rhythm guitar, then when turning off the guitar part, switch back to the first loop without the guitar. The logic there is a bit less elegant though. Sure the unit does just about anything, but there are some logical choices I that seem obvious that it doesn't seem to do. Such is the same for anything though I suppose! Paul > > > On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 10:39 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > Ok, I'm almost at the point where I'm sure this Echoplex looper will do > > enough of what I need to just take the leap and run with it. > > > > However, there's one detail that I'm not finding in the online manual: > > > > It discusses how I can trigger the start of individual loops randomly > > by > > sending MIDI note on message. This is great, however, it doesn't say > > how to > > STOP that loop. Is this a toggle thing? If I send note 48 which > > triggers > > loop 2, then send note 48 again, does it stop the loop, though > > allowing the > > others to remain playing? > > > > I know there's the mute button/switch, but according to the manual, > > that > > mutes the entire unit, which is what I'd expect as I'd damned well > > better be > > able to stop all the loops with one button. > > > > This ability to start (which I can clearly do!) but then *stop* a > > specific > > loop is crucial for my application. > > > > Is this easily doable with the EDP? > > > > Thanks (again), > > > > Paul Sanders > > Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 10:36:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66EZs602765; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:35:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:35:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030706143553.68319.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 07:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: dylan Reply-To: dylanhassinger@yahoo.com Subject: re: grooveboxes To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com david said: >Those "groove-boxes" have been falling out style for a >year maybe two now. >I'm guessing most people into them have been moving to ?>laptops for greater >control and flexibility. certainly laptops are making in-roads. but i wouldn't say that "grooveboxes" are falling out of favor entirely. the roland MC-909 is an amazing beast of a machine, and everyone electronic musician i know that's gotten one is completely thrilled: great sounds, great control, great sequencer, good sampler. USB compatible, stable, portable, and easy to use. Also EMU is coming out with a new Command Station, one based on the Planet Earth module, focused on analog drum sounds. And, the MPC will never, ever go out of style. Laptops are cool, but grooveboxes have their niche. - dylan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 11:10:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66F7Te04683; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:07:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:07:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F083E11.995AA47F@erols.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:19:45 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Floor pedal or MIDI pedal for EDP? References: <052401c3437c$a1c87320$0600a8c0@money2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Sanders wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm sorry if I asked this earlier, I can't recall if I did or not... > > Oh, and please pardon the level of traffic on this list! This has really > helped me see the light though and think of a comprehensive solution that > should solve all the problems I'm having with my looper setup! > > For those of you who have experience with the Echoplex Digital Pro, is it > considered more desirable to have the floor board that's optional, or is it > better to have a good midi foot controller? > > I'm going to go look at that Roland SPD-S. I need to sort out just how > functional the sequencer is on it and if it sends/receives MIDI clock. If I > can actually record a sequence from the pads on the machine itself and > resample it to save it as a pattern, then have the sequencer play it back > and loop it, then I'm golden with this and the EDP from what I can gather. > > I have a line on a new EDP, back stock I suppose, but no floor pedal. > > Thanks > > Paul Sanders > Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net Hi Paul, I'm a fairly new EDP user (about a month now), and I use the EFC-7 footswitch. A lot of guys on the list use an FCB-1010, which I know that you can do a lot more with. I recommend starting with the EFC-7 just because it's so simple and ready to use right when you plug it in to the EDP. Before I purchased the EDP I debated which one to get as well. I decided on the EFC-7 because I figured that the EDP is such a deep machine that I didn't want to bog myself down with programming a MIDI footpedal, I just wanted to work on my EDP technique. If I need more control I can always add a Midi footpedal down the road. A lot of guys on the list use both. Best of luck, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 11:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66FJw905619; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:19:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:19:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F0840FE.D32622F@erols.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:32:15 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question References: <001001c3433b$5fe6f990$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3cXjID.A.qXB.e4DC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon Wagner wrote: > > crisp as dancehall hats, super tight and fast as hell. I still have > > problems though with providing a fat kick, but as stated above, I'm > > working on it. > > If you use a sm58 or 57 (other dynamics work well too!) patch it through > your trusty filter bank (electrix filter factory, or similar) and put it on > low pass with a high resonance. Then just tap the mic - bingo - an 808 > style kick that's as fat as your filter can resonate - tune the pitch of it > with the cutoff freq. - you'll know when its right. Leave a little of the > dry sound in there if you want more attack. > > You can also do wonders to your live hi-hat beatbox sound with your filter > bank. > Jon Along this topic. Is there a way to start the EDP in half speed mode? I've only been able to put it in half speed after recording something in full speed first. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 11:22:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66FKkH05675; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:20:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:20:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <058301c343d2$fb6e9f70$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:26:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0I65-D.A.iYB.N5DC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis" To: Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? > The EDP can have multiple loops in memory, but can only play back one > of those at any given time. It's not polyphonic in that regard. If > you want to have say, three loops playing at the same time and be able > to mute loops individually then you'd need three EDPs. Thanks for clarifying that Travis. Paul > > TravisH > > On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 02:20 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > However, there's one detail that I'm not finding in the online manual: > > > > It discusses how I can trigger the start of individual loops randomly > > by > > sending MIDI note on message. This is great, however, it doesn't say > > how to > > STOP that loop. Is this a toggle thing? If I send note 48 which > > triggers > > loop 2, then send note 48 again, does it stop the loop, though > > allowing the > > others to remain playing? > > > > I know there's the mute button/switch, but according to the manual, > > that > > mutes the entire unit, which is what I'd expect as I'd damned well > > better be > > able to stop all the loops with one button. > > > > This ability to start (which I can clearly do!) but then *stop* a > > specific > > loop is crucial for my application. > > > > Is this easily doable with the EDP? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 11:26:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66FPLp06292; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:25:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:25:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030706152515.74312.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re:T Shirt Status To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030705180055.70958.qmail@web21503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Squid Loop wrote: > How about some ritual branding :-) What, with one of the older Oberheim EDPs (before they solved the heat problem) lifted between the forearms a la the old Kung Fu TV series? :-0 -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 11:35:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66FTI706638; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:29:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:29:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:28:59 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003e01c343d3$52c9c060$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3F0840FE.D32622F@erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Along this topic. Is there a way to start the EDP in half > speed mode? I've only been able to put it in half speed > after recording something in full speed first. > > Thanks, > John > www.johnmazzarella.com Yes, I'm doing that quite often. But then I'm "a midi floor pedal guy" ;-) Cheers Pboy (should be possible with analogue pedal or frontplate buttons as well, though) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 13:03:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66H1Z713042; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:01:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:01:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:01:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7E8D2470-AFD3-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My one regret was not having claimed the moniker "Biz Markie" first. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 02:36 AM, Jon Wagner wrote: >> crisp as dancehall hats, super tight and fast as hell. I still have >> problems though with providing a fat kick, but as stated above, I'm >> working on it. > > If you use a sm58 or 57 (other dynamics work well too!) patch it > through > your trusty filter bank (electrix filter factory, or similar) and put > it on > low pass with a high resonance. Then just tap the mic - bingo - an 808 > style kick that's as fat as your filter can resonate - tune the pitch > of it > with the cutoff freq. - you'll know when its right. Leave a little of > the > dry sound in there if you want more attack. > > You can also do wonders to your live hi-hat beatbox sound with your > filter > bank. > Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 13:53:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66Hpkt17249; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:51:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <057101c343ca$e0934af0$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: <7E298491-AFDA-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 07:28 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > >> Just buy the god damn thing already, you know you want it. > > No, actaully I only need it. Which sucks. Buying things you *want* is > fun.Buying things you *need* is a pain in the ass. Meatwad: I don't want candy, I need candy and when you need something it's a responsibility!" You must have a very broad definition of need my friend... kind of like mine! It's not a toy! IT'S A TOOL! > In other words, if I can't have shut down a rhythm guitar loop while > leaving the percussion loop going, I'm no better off than I am with my > $250 Loop Station for my particular application. I honestly thing you'll love the EDP. That being said, it might not do exactly what you want, but like the other person said, with loop copy you can kind of simulate it. do a track of percussion, copy it to another location then add rhythm guitar. Now go back to the first loop and it seems like you just took away the guitar. I worked this way when I had an EDP and it was very easy and elegant. (Mine had a serious factory defect and had to be returned) Now with that said, I don't have an EDP and I use the 4 track Repeater to do this same thing. > But, laying awake in bed last night I think I figured out how to do > this. Been there. I honestly think you could rethink your setup using some sort of groovebox or laptop based device running Live or Reason synced to an EDP or a Repeater. Hell, you could get an old used JamMan too. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 14:14:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66ICi720019; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030706110918.03a2a630@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:13:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question In-Reply-To: <3F0840FE.D32622F@erols.com> References: <001001c3433b$5fe6f990$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-Tv-cD.A.q4E.caGC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:32 AM 7/6/2003, John Mazzarella wrote: >Along this topic. Is there a way to start the EDP in half speed mode? I've >only been able to put it in half speed after recording something in full speed >first. If you mean you want the thing you just recorded to immediately play back at half speed: Instead of ending the recording with a second press of Record, end it by pressing HalfSpeed. (you can always end record with other functions like this.) If you mean you want to be in halfspeed mode while you record, so when you press HalfSpeed later the tempo doubles: Simply press HalfSpeed while you are in reset, and then do the record. The display will show you are in halfspeed. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 14:18:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66IGbO20436; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:16:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:16:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01e601c343ea$ee67e3a0$0300a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: "a walk through the bazaar" cd is out now... Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:17:56 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear loopers, My cd titled "a walk through the bazaar" has been released by Locustmusic of Chicago. You can preview the pieces and get more information about the cd at www.locustmusic.com/locationsound.html If you like Orb, Mouse on mars and new electronica I think you will enjoy this cd. Below are some of the internet sites that you can buy the cd from. 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Best regards, Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@tnn.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 14:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66IYTN01059; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:34:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:34:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:18:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Rise of the machines From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <920489F0-AF4D-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some things that always frustrated me about the MC-505: * The percussion sounds are grouped into huge mute groups which generally didn't match the way I wanted to break things up. Since I don't think you could use the the rhythm kits as instruments, you were basically stuck. * Too many sounds in a rhythm kit. How can that be a bad thing? I don't want 60 or more sounds to choose from when writing a groove. I want a small set with good tweakable parameters. Instead I'm octave-shifting up and down looking for the desired drum hit. * Saving patterns requires stopping playback. * Fiddly, fiddly, fiddly. Some things that I liked: * RPS was fun. A pain to program, but having a good set of RPS phrases was a simple way to start building material. Muting and unmuting tracks isn't the same thing since it keeps things in the same position in the pattern. Other drum machines that I've owned: * Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220. (I've actually still got the DDM-220 Super Percussion). Really cheesy. A relatively tedious step time interface for recording. I used to program complicated polyrhythms on these. I must have been really dedicated at the time. On the other hand, I recently found some tracks recorded with them and they were at least interesting. I did the score for a play largely with these machines assorted delays and reverbs and a bass player. * Korg DDD-1: Noisy, relatively low-quality samples. A buggy, crash-prone MIDI implementation. On the other hand, it had a nice version of motion-sequencing. I've got recordings from the time when I had this machine and I find myself missing it. * Alesis SR-16: Lots of nice presets. Decent sounds. The pads never felt comfortable to me and I never really did much programming on it. * Roland MC-505: See above. End result was that I did some stuff on it, but it never inspired me to go in and crank out patterns. Other electronic percussion: * Roland HandSonic: Still have it. In fact, this through a delay line is essentially my only percussion instrument right now. Don't even think about trying to do much with the sequencer on this, however. The sounds are decent if not stunning. The effects are good but could easily have been a lot more versatile. For example, they are basically the same effects as on the SP-808 and that machine has 3 knobs that it uses to great effect for live manipulation while the HandSonic which also has 3 knobs doesn't do diddly with them. * Emu Planet Earth: Best damn percussion sounds I've dealt with once you forgive its lack of a tabla. On the other hand, you've got to either like the kits Emu has put together or burn a bunch of channels to get a combination of sounds. Burning a bunch of channels would then have required a mapper of some sort for use with the HandSonic. It's also back to the problem from the MC-505 of having too many sounds in a preset rather than a few really good, really tweakable sounds. Temptations: * I kept being tempted by an Emu Command Station because of the quality of the sounds on the Planet Earth. My reaction when I played with them at guitar center was fiddly, fiddly, fiddly. * A Korg Electribe has some attraction for the price and the immediacy but it blows the immediacy by requiring that it be stopped to do some things like tweak the swing setting. * The Elektron Machinedrum is cool, but at that price I'm a bit frustrated that it only maps MIDI velocity to volume and for that matter doesn't even record MIDI velocity. Wishes: * A real "MIDI looper" should arguably support: record/play sounds/end loop and set the tempo based on that. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 15:03:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66J1kx03407; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:01:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:01:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05a701c343f1$d9d59b60$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <7E298491-AFDA-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:07:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? > On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 07:28 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > > >> Just buy the god damn thing already, you know you want it. > > > > No, actaully I only need it. Which sucks. Buying things you *want* is > > fun.Buying things you *need* is a pain in the ass. > > Meatwad: I don't want candy, I need candy and when you need something > it's a responsibility!" Meatwad?? Wow, Now I really feel at home here, and after only two days of posting! > > You must have a very broad definition of need my friend... kind of like > mine! It's not a toy! IT'S A TOOL! > > > In other words, if I can't have shut down a rhythm guitar loop while > > leaving the percussion loop going, I'm no better off than I am with my > > $250 Loop Station for my particular application. > > I honestly thing you'll love the EDP. That being said, it might not do > exactly what you want, but like the other person said, with loop copy > you can kind of simulate it. do a track of percussion, copy it to > another location then add rhythm guitar. Now go back to the first loop > and it seems like you just took away the guitar. I worked this way > when I had an EDP and it was very easy and elegant. (Mine had a serious > factory defect and had to be returned) Now with that said, I don't have > an EDP and I use the 4 track Repeater to do this same thing. I'm seriously researching the Repeater now too. I think I could do most of what I need with the EDP, but I have a tendancy to end up wanting to do more stuff than I thought I was setting out to do! > > > But, laying awake in bed last night I think I figured out how to do > > this. > > Been there. > > I honestly think you could rethink your setup using some sort of > groovebox or laptop based device running Live or Reason synced to an > EDP or a Repeater. Hell, you could get an old used JamMan too. I picked up the Roland SPD-S today, exchanging the SPD-6. It's going to be a cool box. It will let me create a percussion loop from the onboard sounds and resample it to a .wav and play it back at will. I can also sample from an external source, so I should be able to have lot's of stuff at my fingertips for live use, and even just let the SPD-S do the looping of the percussion, provided I end up with a looper that will sync to it's MIDI clock, or vice versa. Paul "Meatwad" Sanders > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 15:45:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66JXaD06608; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:33:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:33:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05c501c343f6$4db2dfd0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <7E298491-AFDA-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:39:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <9iodBC.A.InB.QmHC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I honestly thing you'll love the EDP. That being said, it might not do > exactly what you want, but like the other person said, with loop copy > you can kind of simulate it. do a track of percussion, copy it to > another location then add rhythm guitar. Now go back to the first loop > and it seems like you just took away the guitar. I worked this way > when I had an EDP and it was very easy and elegant. (Mine had a serious > factory defect and had to be returned) Now with that said, I don't have > an EDP and I use the 4 track Repeater to do this same thing. I've been reading the Repeater manual online. Sure looks like it would do what I want. Is there *anything* you can do on the EDP you can't do on the Repeater from what you know? Is recording different tracks of a loop really seamless or is there some jumping around to be done. LOOKS like it would be easy, just a matter of setting record enable, and hitting record, which are all doable via a MID foot controller. Then I can mute a track whenever I want to and not have to play that copy game with the EDP. Seems more elegant to me. Wonder what fault people have found in the Repeater. Hmmmm. Well, off to my gig. Paul "Shitforbrains" Sanders :) > > > But, laying awake in bed last night I think I figured out how to do > > this. > > Been there. > > I honestly think you could rethink your setup using some sort of > groovebox or laptop based device running Live or Reason synced to an > EDP or a Repeater. Hell, you could get an old used JamMan too. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 15:50:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66JnF608287; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030706121445.03a3dbc0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:50:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? In-Reply-To: <057101c343ca$e0934af0$0600a8c0@money2> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6q7qgC.A.WBC.70HC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:28 AM 7/6/2003, Paul Sanders wrote: >But, laying awake in bed last night I think I figured out how to do this. > >Just be sure to use loop copy when adding a new loop for the rhythm >guitar, then >when turning off the guitar part, switch back to the first loop without the >guitar. That's the idea. It doesn't do truly multi-track loops. You accomplish similar results using Overdub, Multiply, LoopCopies, Undo, etc. >The logic there is a bit less elegant though. It is a different way of thinking than a recording studio, which is the way most people are used to thinking about multiple recorded parts. It isn't more or less elegant, just more tuned to a completely different sort of usage. The recording studio approach gives you tremendous flexibility and control. The trouble with the recording studio approach is it becomes very cumbersome and awkward to perform live, while you are otherwise engaged in playing instruments and entertaining an audience. It takes too many button presses, too many things to look at and keep track of, and too much time to execute the basic stuff most people need to do. As you scale up to more tracks the problems for a performer grow exponentially. The "psuedo-multitrack" approach that the echoplex and other loopers use was developed entirely in a live performance context. It is meant to be efficient, fast, and seamless for real-time operation. It doesn't have unlimited flexibility, but it is much more efficient and easy to manage while performing. For example, what if you want to create 16 tracks of layered percussion? On the Echoplex you just turn Overdub on and keep playing. If it turns out you really wanted 17, that's fine just leave overdub on a little longer. Most of your concentration is on the instrument, while the looper handles the details of how it is recorded. In a recording studio, for each layer you are arming different tracks, rerouting signals, moving faders and knobs, etc. If you run out of tracks you have start bouncing and it gets more complicated. That's a lot of concentration not devoted to playing the instrument. The studio gives you the flexibility to manipulate each specific layer so you can spend hours tweaking it very carefully to get the mix you want, which is perfect for recording. but not very many audiences would want to watch that and most people don't try to do it live. In performance most musicians have much more straightforward needs that are easily met by the looper approach without interfering with their playing. Once you get used to thinking about it in different terms, you'll see how fast and easy it is. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 15:54:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66Jr2808780; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030706195256.30387.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 12:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <05c501c343f6$4db2dfd0$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should really go to the LD archives & read up on both the EDP & Repeater. There are a few things the Repeater can do that the EDP can't & MANY things the EDP can do that the Repeater can't. The Repeater was discontinued with a few bugs left unfixed. It can be quite frustrating to work with. John --- Paul Sanders wrote: > I've been reading the Repeater manual online. Sure > looks like it would do > what > I want. Is there *anything* you can do on the EDP > you can't do on the > Repeater > from what you know? Is recording different tracks of > a loop really seamless > or is > there some jumping around to be done. LOOKS like it > would be easy, just a > matter > of setting record enable, and hitting record, which > are all doable via a MID > foot controller. > > Then I can mute a track whenever I want to and not > have to play that copy > game with the EDP. Seems more elegant to me. > > Wonder what fault people have found in the Repeater. > Hmmmm. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 15:57:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66JuI309338; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:56:15 -0700 Subject: Rhythm Bed (was Re: Rise of the machines) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3UvaCB.A.yRC.i7HC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The house has been a bit torn up for a couple months so a lot of stuff has been packed away in an attempt to minimize dust damage. Just starting to haul it out now. Today's rhythm fun: HandSonic --> EchoPro (Sweep Echo) --> EchoPro (Digital Delay) All syncing to the MIDI clock coming from the HandSonic. Not exactly great for doing drum loops, but fun for rhythm bed like things. I need to dig out my EQ Killers so that I can start using the Echo Pros on selected portions of the signals. The Echo Pro delay models could be pretty cool for looping to an external clock source if there were a good way to engage a hold function on them. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 15:58:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66JuqK09465; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:56:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:02:34 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? In-Reply-To: <05c501c343f6$4db2dfd0$0600a8c0@money2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Paul Sanders wrote: > Wonder what fault people have found in the Repeater. Hmmmm. One big fault with the Repeater is that it was discontinued a year ago last week. http://www.electrixpro.com/ "July 2, 2002 : IVL Technologies discontinues the Electrix line of products IVL Technologies Ltd. announces today the discontinuation of the Electrix line of products." Mind you, I got one when it came out, and I like mine, but you can't order one anywhere - if you're lucky, you can find one on ebay. At least you can order an EDP. Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 16:05:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66K4fS10482; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:04:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Rise of the machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <12936964-AFED-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 11:18 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > * I kept being tempted by an Emu Command Station because of the > quality of the sounds on the Planet Earth. My reaction when I played > with them at guitar center was fiddly, fiddly, fiddly. Agreed. Figuring out the internal signal and effects routing was a bit of a bitch, but I think I'm good with it now. If you're looking for a quick to learn box, I'd pass up on the Command Stations. However, if you can spend some time and patience learning these boxes I think the payoff is well worth it. BTW, the demo stuff does NOT well represent this units sounds or features. It's way, way better. Hearing it at first really turned me off, but when I heard Jon El-Bizri play I was like, "hey..." Glad I made the move. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 16:07:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66K6Ou10704; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:06:21 -0700 Subject: ReMote25 v. KP2 (was Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts?) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FE2628A-AF0D-11D7-93C3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/5/03 10:22 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > I must admit that I've been doing almost all my synth > stuff via the Novation ReMote25 since I got it and my Yamaha G50 guitar > controller is getting very jealous. You've also got a Kaoss Pad 2, right? How's the XY controller on the ReMote25 compared to the KP2? Doesn't the KP2 let you record pad movements for repeated use? Can you use that to "motion sequence" an external piece of MIDI gear? Someone needs to build a MIDI controller keyboard with a built-in step sequencer and a motion sequencer. (On the other hand, after reading the July Sound-on-Sound Synth Secrets, an Analog Solutions French Connection sounds like a lot of fun.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 16:10:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66K9jl11150; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:09:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:09:43 -0700 Subject: Re: ReMote25 v. KP2 (was Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts?) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-UGC8B.A.FuC.IIIC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/6/03 1:06 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > (On the other hand, after reading the July Sound-on-Sound Synth Secrets, an > Analog Solutions French Connection sounds like a lot of fun.) Make that "Analogue Systems". Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 16:18:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66KHJ211724; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:17:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:17:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:16:59 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004c01c343fb$8e5fa130$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <05c501c343f6$4db2dfd0$0600a8c0@money2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7xv4n.A.C3C.PPIC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] Hi Paul, Since I have been using the EDP and Repeater together for some time I thought I should post my take on the Repeater as well. Hope you'll find something useful. > it would do what I want. Is there *anything* you can do on > the EDP you can't do on the Repeater from what you know? Yes. Nothing of this is possible on the Repeater: With the EDP and LOOP4 (latest OS) you can insert (quantised or not) slices of audio destructively into the loop. If you run the EDP quantised to 16ths a quick touch of the insert button will replace one sixteenth of audio with the audio present at the input. Got that? It's like having a hardware pHATmatic PRO, but even cooler! By inserting unquantised you can increase the loop length and even do this non-rhythmically in small snippets just like a granular process. You can truncate the loop to make it shorter. Quantised or not quantised. You can proceed seamlessly from recording one instrument to the next without going out of record mode. > Is > recording different tracks of a loop really seamless or is > there some jumping around to be done. No. With the Repeater you have go out of recording mode to change the record enabled track. If you are fast to do this you can go out of recording mode and change track during the very last beats of the loop to be able to start recording directly from beat 1 to the new track. But on the other hand you can just drop in recording wherever in the loop you happen to be. The fastest way I have found with a Behringer FCB1010 midi floor controller is to keep one foot pad for each Repeater track (1-2-3-4). By pressing a certain foot pad the following things can happen: 1. selecting the corresponding track for recording. 2. bringing one expression pedal to send volume data for that track. 3. eventually sending pitch data, like transposing down two octaves for bass lines (I have dedicated one track for bass in this way). 4. eventually sending panning data for the track. For example you can dedicate two tracks to be a little panned L/R. By pressing the FCB record button I'm also sending a command to the expression pedal (that was assigned to track volume above) to control feedback (this is because feedback is only happening when in record mode. On the EDP feedback happens all the time just like with a tape delay). One problem with the Repeater is that it only has 8 mb RAM. As soon as you start recording live to the CFC card it starts to react slower. Like refusing to record with the display reading "tempo too fast". One thing you can do on the Repeater the you can not do with the EDP is to "play" the pitch of a track by plain midi note data. This can be very cool. Record a vocal phrase singing only on the note "C". Keep it looping and play the melody on a midi keyboard. Instead of playing a midi keyboard you can slave a sequencer to octave bounce the track on 16ths, triads or whatever. Similar treatments can be set up for panning. So you can actually design a dynamically pumping, beat synced environment to throw any audio at. That is cool. Best wishes Per Boysen www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 16:18:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66KH5W11677; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:17:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:17:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:17:02 -0700 Subject: Meatwad makes the money see. (was Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <05a701c343f1$d9d59b60$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 12:07 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: >> Meatwad: I don't want candy, I need candy and when you need something >> it's a responsibility!" > > Meatwad?? Wow, Now I really feel at home here, and after only two days > of posting! > No, it's an esoteric reference to a show called Aqua Teen Hunger Force. A story about French Fries, a Milk Shake and a Ball of ground beef that fight crime... well, they don't actually do much of anything. In a typical episode Meatwad becomes obsessed with the rap stylings of MC Peepants. His song "I Want Candy" is causing Meatwad to be obsessed with candy. ("Frylock, I don't want candy, I need candy, and when you need something it's a responsibility.") MC Peepants turns out to be a huge insane spider that wants to use the extra psychic energy generated by sugar consumption to dig a tunnel to hell. In the end they convince him to apply for a job delivering pizza, but really they just blow him up. http://www.athf.com/home.html http://burtcom.com/athf/ Number one in the hood G. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 16:20:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66KJdf12206; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:19:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:19:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:19:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030706195256.30387.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2ADB2C87-AFEF-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 12:52 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > You should really go to the LD archives & read up on > both the EDP & Repeater. There are a few things the > Repeater can do that the EDP can't & MANY things the > EDP can do that the Repeater can't. The Repeater was > discontinued with a few bugs left unfixed. It can be > quite frustrating to work with. Depending on what you're trying to do. I find it easy as pie and bug free. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 16:26:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66KPII12933; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:25:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:25:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:25:16 -0700 Subject: Re: ReMote25 v. KP2 (was Re: EMU XL-7 thoughts?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1J1u6B.A._JD.uWIC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 01:06 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > You've also got a Kaoss Pad 2, right? Right. > How's the XY controller on the ReMote25 compared to the KP2? Smaller and more limited. Doesn't light up in cool colors like the KAOSS pad II. Still I have it set to fool with the filters and it works really well. I mainly got the ReMote25 for it's after-touch, semi weighted keys and size. The Roland PC-300 was too big and felt a bit cheezy. > Doesn't the KP2 let you record pad movements for repeated use? Nope. > Can you use that to "motion sequence" an external piece of > MIDI gear? Nope. > Someone needs to build a MIDI controller keyboard with a built-in step > sequencer and a motion sequencer. Have you looked into the Korg MS2000? Very cool synth. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 17:06:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66L5fd16789; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:05:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:05:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030706210534.96027.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <05c501c343f6$4db2dfd0$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Wonder what fault people have found in the Repeater. > Hmmmm. they have bugs. the bugs don't really stop you much, but i have had a few occassions where something downright odd happens that i can never recreate again. they are also no longer made which means that in all likelihood, the bugs will never be fixed (what ever happened with that petition to get the OS 1.2 released to the public to finish?) and the support for them is hard to get. but i own two of them and love them dearly and the bugs don't really get in the way of what i do with my repeaters...but every now and then...stereo tracks get selected or something just plain weird will happen, but it is few and far between. that's the only reason why i could see people going with the EDP. the repeater seemed a clear choice for me from the beginning, but the EDP definitely seems to be more popular. evan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 17:09:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66L8O117054; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:08:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:08:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030706210822.70010.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:08:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > One big fault with the Repeater is that it was > discontinued a year ago > last week. > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > "July 2, 2002 : IVL Technologies discontinues the I went to the IVL Technologies site and found this: http://www.ivl.com/products.html Ironic, isn't it, that the pic they have under "Professional Products" is of a discontinued product. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 17:39:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66LcUQ18973; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:38:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:38:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 14:38:28 -0700 Subject: Re: KP2 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/6/03 1:25 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >> Doesn't the KP2 let you record pad movements for repeated use? > > Nope. Then what's this Pad Motion thing that Korg talks about on their web site? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 17:52:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h66LpLw20024; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:51:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030706215120.7607.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030706210534.96027.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plus don't forget that since the Reapeater is discontinued you will end up paying a hefty price for the thing - i've seen 'em go on ebay for double the original price. --- Evan Meyers wrote: > > Wonder what fault people have found in the > Repeater. > > Hmmmm. > > they have bugs. the bugs don't really stop you > much, > but i have had a few occassions where something > downright odd happens that i can never recreate > again. > they are also no longer made which means that in > all > likelihood, the bugs will never be fixed (what ever > happened with that petition to get the OS 1.2 > released > to the public to finish?) and the support for them > is > hard to get. but i own two of them and love them > dearly and the bugs don't really get in the way of > what i do with my repeaters...but every now and > then...stereo tracks get selected or something just > plain weird will happen, but it is few and far > between. > > that's the only reason why i could see people going > with the EDP. the repeater seemed a clear choice > for > me from the beginning, but the EDP definitely seems > to > be more popular. > > evan > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 22:20:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h672IpX09104; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 19:18:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Meatwad makes the money see. (was Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <56AA7E82-B021-11D7-8CEF-000A95864C54@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is one of the best things i've ever read on the list.... On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 01:17 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 12:07 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > >>> Meatwad: I don't want candy, I need candy and when you need something >>> it's a responsibility!" >> >> Meatwad?? Wow, Now I really feel at home here, and after only two days >> of posting! >> > > No, it's an esoteric reference to a show called Aqua Teen Hunger > Force. A story about French Fries, a Milk Shake and a Ball of ground > beef that fight crime... well, they don't actually do much of > anything. In a typical episode Meatwad becomes obsessed with the rap > stylings of MC Peepants. His song "I Want Candy" is causing Meatwad > to be obsessed with candy. ("Frylock, I don't want candy, I need > candy, and when you need something it's a responsibility.") MC > Peepants turns out to be a huge insane spider that wants to use the > extra psychic energy generated by sugar consumption to dig a tunnel to > hell. In the end they convince him to apply for a job delivering > pizza, but really they just blow him up. > > http://www.athf.com/home.html > > http://burtcom.com/athf/ > > Number one in the hood G. > > Mark Sottilaro > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- "As a scientist, I'm constantly working with materials that threaten life on a global scale, and, sometimes, they spill..." -Dr. Forrester. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 23:17:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h673GPI15639; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:16:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:16:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Program change on EDP Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c34436$23a9a8f0$1e2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C34414.9C9808F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <1ea.c8beb76.2c38b054@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C34414.9C9808F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will the EDP stop the loop if it receives a program change message (to switch presets) while the loop is running? If so, what happens if I go from a preset with 3 loops to a prest with 1? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C34414.9C9808F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 Will the EDP stop the loop if it receives a = program=20 change message (to switch presets) while the loop is running? If so, = what=20 happens if I go from a preset with 3 loops to a prest with=20 1?
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C34414.9C9808F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 23:29:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h673SOK16768; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:28:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:28:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:28:22 -0700 Subject: Re: KP2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0FB81110-B02B-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woops, I misread your question and thought you wanted to know if the ReMote25 behaved that way and it doesn't. The KAOSS pad II does. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 02:38 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 7/6/03 1:25 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >>> Doesn't the KP2 let you record pad movements for repeated use? >> >> Nope. > > Then what's this Pad Motion thing that Korg talks about on their web > site? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 23:37:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h673alb17469; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:36:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:36:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030706203118.03a385d8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:37:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Program change on EDP In-Reply-To: <000401c34436$23a9a8f0$1e2f04d1@home> References: <1ea.c8beb76.2c38b054@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:16 PM 7/6/2003, future perfect wrote: > Will the EDP stop the loop if it receives a program change message (to > switch presets) while the loop is running? no >If so, what happens if I go from a preset with 3 loops to a prest with 1? Changing presets doesn't change the MoreLoops setting if a loop is running. This saves you from killing all of your loops by accident. A preset change will only set the value of MoreLoops to something different if you are already in reset. Normally, if you change number of loops from the parameter menu it does a global reset and all current loops are lost. Since it would be really easy to do this by mistake with a preset change, this protection was put in. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 6 23:45:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h673iI418275; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:44:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:44:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:44:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Meatwad makes the money see. (was Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <56AA7E82-B021-11D7-8CEF-000A95864C54@mac.com> Message-Id: <48AD7DAA-B02D-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 07:18 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > This is one of the best things i've ever read on the list.... I aim to please. If you get Cartoon Network I highly recommend they're Sunday night lineup. It's pure genius. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 01:22:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h675L6b25836; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 01:21:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 01:21:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <061701c34448$60881150$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <20030706215120.7607.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 01:26:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Squid Loop" To: Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? > Plus don't forget that since the Reapeater is > discontinued you will end up paying a hefty price for > the thing - i've seen 'em go on ebay for double the > original price. I just tonight won an auction for one for $550. Hope it works for me! If not, I'm sure I can get my money back on the thing. Paul > > > --- Evan Meyers wrote: > > > Wonder what fault people have found in the > > Repeater. > > > Hmmmm. > > > > they have bugs. the bugs don't really stop you > > much, > > but i have had a few occassions where something > > downright odd happens that i can never recreate > > again. > > they are also no longer made which means that in > > all > > likelihood, the bugs will never be fixed (what ever > > happened with that petition to get the OS 1.2 > > released > > to the public to finish?) and the support for them > > is > > hard to get. but i own two of them and love them > > dearly and the bugs don't really get in the way of > > what i do with my repeaters...but every now and > > then...stereo tracks get selected or something just > > plain weird will happen, but it is few and far > > between. > > > > that's the only reason why i could see people going > > with the EDP. the repeater seemed a clear choice > > for > > me from the beginning, but the EDP definitely seems > > to > > be more popular. > > > > evan > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 02:10:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6769ja30770; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 02:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 02:09:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030707060943.91121.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <061701c34448$60881150$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Sanders wrote: > > original price. > > I just tonight won an auction for one for $550. > You scored !!! I feel sorry for the guys bidding on this one - i'm sure the reserve is close if not ididenticalo the buy it now price :) hthttp/cgcgibebayom/wswsBeBayISAPIldlliViewItemtem=2543479981&category=38070 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 02:11:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h676AXT30862; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 02:10:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 02:10:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:10:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <061701c34448$60881150$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome to the darkside. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 10:26 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > I just tonight won an auction for one for $550. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 02:19:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h676IN531640; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 02:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 02:18:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030707061821.54108.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030707060943.91121.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that link didn't translate well : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2543479981&category=38070 --- Squid Loop wrote: > --- Paul Sanders wrote: > > > > original price. > > > > I just tonight won an auction for one for $550. > > > > You scored !!! I feel sorry for the guys bidding on > this one - i'm sure the reserve is close if not > ididenticalo the buy it now price :) > > hthttp/cgcgibebayom/wswsBeBayISAPIldlliViewItemtem=2543479981&category=38070 > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 03:54:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h677pA505906; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 03:51:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 03:51:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c3445c$86900010$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" References: Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:51:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Would love to listen to this, but my powerbook broke down last year and I'm > now on a WinXP laptop. Any ideas of how to play back these files? XP media > player couldn't handle it. quicktime will do it www.apple.com/quicktime/download/ cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 05:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h679BoX11012; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 05:11:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 05:11:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:11:32 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C34478.85EBC010" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002901c3445c$86900010$2ccfc22b@AOstler> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000006B7DDDF0E0E91147AB36B3B294E9DCF864E64D00 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C34478.85EBC010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Would love to listen to this, but my powerbook broke down last year > > and > I'm > > now on a WinXP laptop. Any ideas of how to play back these files? XP > media > > player couldn't handle it. > > quicktime will do it > www.apple.com/quicktime/download/ cheers, os. Yes, thank you. I was just wondering if there is an alternative. Don't want to reinstall quicktime again since last time it almost drove me mad by all those ads popping up. 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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:11:16 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <061701c34448$60881150$0600a8c0@money2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > I just tonight won an auction for one for $550. Congratulations, Paul! I saw one here in a Swedish music store selling for $1111. Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 09:38:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67DaEI31830; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <064201c3448d$8cc87210$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:42:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? > Welcome to the darkside. Oh no, this is the beginning of the end! I took my Roland SPD-6 back and got the Roland SPD-S sampling drumpad yesterday. This is going to be very cool. I can set up wav sequences on individual pads, have then configured to loop, or not. So, in reality, I can have 9 loops running on the SPD-S alone by looping "THINGS" on the individual pads, sync the Repeater to THAT, and then start layering guitar loops, and vocal loops. Boy, that's quite a departure from "Cheeseburger in Paradise" :) We'll see how far I go with it. I'm still about playing classic pop music. Now I just have to get me a midi foot controller. I guess that Behringer will be decent. Poor sweat shop people. I have to buy Behringer stuff or they would just be on the streets! Paul > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 10:26 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > I just tonight won an auction for one for $550. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 09:45:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67Dhm600489; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:43:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:43:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Berlin Livelooping evening Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:47:56 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200307050113.h651Dlt26285@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Seen: false X-ID: ZqYog2Zloe1Rhn50saoacyvt58SIbypqE54ZpEor9GjsDttdE0dmgy@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker (who'll probably update his tour diary soon) and his wife Chris are now off to Radolfzell (South Germany) to gig with Louie Angulo. It was sad to see them go after we had 5 wonderful days together. Last Tuesday, Rick did a solo gig here in Cologne in a sound art gallery. Then on Friday, we drove to Berlin where Andreas Willers and Leander Reininghaus had organized a gig which went well and was big fun. On stage from left to right were: jazz guitarist Andreas Willers, myself (I played some guitar but mostly did a cut-up radio kind of thing using the EDP), Rick Walker with his translucent dayglo green plastic performance, Matthias Grob on guitar, and Michael Schiefel (a singer from Berlin who I hadn't known before and whose performance really blew my mind). Each of us did a solo set and then we improvised together. Maybe I'll be able to upload some music later on. Here are some pictures from the gig: http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/berlinloop = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 09:53:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67DpKv01409; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:51:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <065801c3448f$a82d50a0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030706121445.03a3dbc0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:57:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? > > It is a different way of thinking than a recording studio, which is the way > most people are used to thinking about multiple recorded parts. It isn't > more or less elegant, just more tuned to a completely different sort of usage. > > The recording studio approach gives you tremendous flexibility and control. > The trouble with the recording studio approach is it becomes very > cumbersome and awkward to perform live, while you are otherwise engaged in > playing instruments and entertaining an audience. It takes too many button > presses, too many things to look at and keep track of, and too much time to > execute the basic stuff most people need to do. As you scale up to more > tracks the problems for a performer grow exponentially. > > The "psuedo-multitrack" approach that the echoplex and other loopers use > was developed entirely in a live performance context. It is meant to be > efficient, fast, and seamless for real-time operation. It doesn't have > unlimited flexibility, but it is much more efficient and easy to manage > while performing. For example, what if you want to create 16 tracks of > layered percussion? On the Echoplex you just turn Overdub on and keep > playing. If it turns out you really wanted 17, that's fine just leave > overdub on a little longer. Most of your concentration is on the Good points. >From reading the Repeater manual, looks like you can do this with it too, BUT you have the flexibility to put something on seperate tracks of the loop that can be turned off and on during the loop. Sounds to me like the best of both worlds. We'll see. If it's too cumbersom, I won't use it, so I'll sell it and try something else. Paul > instrument, while the looper handles the details of how it is recorded. In > a recording studio, for each layer you are arming different tracks, > rerouting signals, moving faders and knobs, etc. If you run out of tracks > you have start bouncing and it gets more complicated. That's a lot of > concentration not devoted to playing the instrument. > > The studio gives you the flexibility to manipulate each specific layer so > you can spend hours tweaking it very carefully to get the mix you want, > which is perfect for recording. but not very many audiences would want to > watch that and most people don't try to do it live. In performance most > musicians have much more straightforward needs that are easily met by the > looper approach without interfering with their playing. Once you get used > to thinking about it in different terms, you'll see how fast and easy it is. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 09:55:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67DsFH01824; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:54:06 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Bass Harmonizers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004701c32c33$1efc20a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200307071338.h67DciK32087@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Medic! medic! I thought that sub-octave-synthesis-for-cello thread died awful quick. Someone mentioned the Boss harmonizer pedal, and I was wondering if anyone could compare it to the harmonizers contained within the Boss GT-3, GT-5, and GT-6 multi-fx pedals. I have the GT-3 and auditioned the GT-6 and I really don't dig the Harmonist feature - it never really generates major cholesterol, nomsane? Digitech usually does - anybody got the 411 on one of them's pedals? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 10:10:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67E83o03531; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:08:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:08:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030707140757.78280.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Bass Harmonizers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004701c32c33$1efc20a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In addition to the pedals Douglas mentions, how about a rack unit like the DBX 120, the Peavey Kosmos or the Behringer Ultrabass? Anyone had any luck with these, or are they more suited to remix/sound reinforcement than live instrumentation? -t- ps: Hey, Douglas! Yer computer's date is set a month back! --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Medic! medic! I thought that > sub-octave-synthesis-for-cello thread died > awful quick. Someone mentioned the Boss harmonizer > pedal, and I was > wondering if anyone could compare it to the > harmonizers contained within the > Boss GT-3, GT-5, and GT-6 multi-fx pedals. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 10:16:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67EDVA04294; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.146.129.161] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Harmonizers Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 10:13:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2003 14:13:25.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE007560:01C34491] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the whammy petal on the chapman stick. I sometimes put it in the ext loop of my boss gt-3 because the harmonist feature stinks on it. Too bad the gt-6 did not sound good either.... >From: Douglas Baldwin >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, >Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Bass Harmonizers >Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:54:06 -0400 > >Medic! medic! I thought that sub-octave-synthesis-for-cello thread died >awful quick. Someone mentioned the Boss harmonizer pedal, and I was >wondering if anyone could compare it to the harmonizers contained within >the >Boss GT-3, GT-5, and GT-6 multi-fx pedals. I have the GT-3 and auditioned >the GT-6 and I really don't dig the Harmonist feature - it never really >generates major cholesterol, nomsane? Digitech usually does - anybody got >the 411 on one of them's pedals? >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 12:17:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67G8rZ20157; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c344a2$0e97dc90$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" References: Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:08:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yes, thank you. I was just wondering if there is an alternative. Don't want > to reinstall quicktime again since last time it almost drove me mad by all > those ads popping up. there must be a setting for it - I use Quicktime on my pc at work and I don't ever recall seeing a popup. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 12:32:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67GTHS23678; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:29:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:29:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c344a4$f05232f0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <001701c344a2$0e97dc90$2ccfc22b@AOstler> Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:29:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Os, Hi Per, loopies I am on PC and had no problems with the files once I changed the extension to MP4. The only pop-up I've experienced with Quick time is the one that asks me to upgrade from my freebie version to a paid version, a small price to pay IMO. I have the audio prepped from the show in Belfast. It sounds great. I wanted to speak with Rick before making it available beyond my own ears. The unfortunate thing was that somehow I managed to screw up the DAT that had the final 20 minutes of Rick's performance which is a shame however the bits that I did get were excellent (aside from my own inaugral baptism by feedback :) One of the short (50 second) frame drum improvs that we did at the end of the show is to appear on the Frame drummer group CD, it's far from ideal but we had to get Rick on there. Glad to read other experiences of Rick's tour, it sounds like everyone has been having a mixture of technical hitches and good times - sounds about right :) Keep her lit! Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: Re: cambridge loopfest audio files > > Yes, thank you. I was just wondering if there is an alternative. Don't > want > > to reinstall quicktime again since last time it almost drove me mad by all > > those ads popping up. > > there must be a setting for it - I use Quicktime on my pc at work and I > don't ever recall seeing a popup. > > cheers, > os. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 12:34:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67GXDK24155; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:33:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:33:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030707163312.36639.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: RE: Digital Out on MD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <931645A9-AE39-11D7-812C-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis wrote: > In related news, I found a "pro" portable MD recorder, with balanced > ins/outs and digital IO for...$1600. For that money, I'd get a DAT > recorder, That's ridiculous. Used DAT machines, nice ones, are going for $200 or less on Ebay these days. Incredibly good deal for a machine that sounds great with no compression. > even with the media flakiness of DAT. What media flakiness would that be? I've used DATs for years and haven't had any media problems (aside from one DAT -machine- that had a flakey transport problem and chewed up a master tape on one session, but it wasn't a great model recorder, and it had a history of not being maintained, just what happened to be available at the studio I was working at). Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 12:39:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67Gc6Z24856; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: New Name for My Looping Act Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:38:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all concerned-- It's official (well, in the Loopers of the World listings, anyway)--My "act"'s new name is Relay Delay . . . Playing Deja Vu music (or whatever). Guess I'll set up a new mailbox and unsub/sub-- Hope last weekend was as cool for everyone as mine was--no broken bones or blood spilled . . . Loop on! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 13:35:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67HWw330512; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <147.15092c35.2c3b08bd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:32:45 EDT Subject: Re: Cambridge loopfest audio files To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > quicktime will do it > > > www.apple.com/quicktime/download/ > > cheers, > os. > > Yes, thank you. I was just wondering if there is an alternative. Don't want > to reinstall quicktime again since last time it almost drove me mad by all > those ads popping up. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com > hi Per, I don't see any adds from quicktime, perhaps because I de-checked all the boxes on install. (just to hear the os-files) Remember to change the file extension to .mp4, and I had to change the buffer size in "preferences" to de-glitch andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 13:44:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67HhPT31703; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:43:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c344af$4ff863f0$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <200307071338.h67DciK32087@hemlock.violacea.com> <004701c32c33$1efc20a0$1912be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Bass Harmonizers Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:43:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use that Boss OC-2 pedal for my bass. It's one of the best-tracking and warmest-sounding octave dividers I've encountered. Some of those other ones sound too digital and sterile to me. I like the artifacts you get when you just turn on the second octave and turn down the original signal. As the notes decay you get some neat little warm, fuzzy, musical glitches as the pitch shifter loses the input signal. The other thing that I have seen used to do some really cool stuff is the Digitech Whammy (or Whammy 2, or whatever) pedal. I played in a band that opened for the Jazz Mandolin Project out here at Mishawaka and the bass player from JMP (who was playing double bass, incidentally) was using the Whammy to do all these cool synth bass techno-ish house-ish bass drops in rhythm. I want to get one of those things, but they're on the pricey side, and I'm not currently living on that side of the fence. That's all I've got to say on that. Oh, and the realtime pitch shifting on the Yamaha A5000 sucks goat nads. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: Bass Harmonizers > Medic! medic! I thought that sub-octave-synthesis-for-cello thread died > awful quick. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 15:13:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67J7IA09901; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:07:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:07:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <119.26184d2e.2c3b1eda@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:07:06 EDT Subject: Re: Berlin Livelooping evening To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_119.26184d2e.2c3b1eda_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_119.26184d2e.2c3b1eda_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/7/03 9:44:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mpeters@csi.com writes: > http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/berlinloop > thanks michael!.....great pics.....nice to put faces to all these names.....michael --part1_119.26184d2e.2c3b1eda_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/7/03= 9:44:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mpeters@csi.com writes:


http://www.michaelpeters.de/fot= os/berlinloop


thanks michael!.....great pics.....nice to put faces to all these names.....= michael --part1_119.26184d2e.2c3b1eda_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 15:34:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67JNPj11492; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:23:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:23:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F09D8A8.9010103@usa.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:31:36 -0700 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net, synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater MIDI sync - am I missing something? References: <200306212033.h5LKX2m17245@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The documentation indicates that it is virtually foolproof to get Repeater to sync to MIDI clock. I'm running clock from my K2500S to the Repeater, and I get tempo lock, but Repeater does not follow the Kurz transport controls as the manual says it should. What am I missing? -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel . Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without . 888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 16:11:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67K5mj16883; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:05:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:05:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:05:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI sync - am I missing something? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F09D8A8.9010103@usa.net> Message-Id: <622296AD-B0B6-11D7-ADDD-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 01:31 PM, Lee Sebel wrote: > The documentation indicates that it is virtually foolproof to get > Repeater to sync to MIDI clock. > > I'm running clock from my K2500S to the Repeater, and I get tempo > lock, but Repeater does not follow the Kurz transport controls as the > manual says it should. > > What am I missing? MIDI clock is spit out on all channels, but transport stuff isn't. Are you sure you're on the same main channel? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 16:51:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67KhfI20985; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:43:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:43:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: , References: <20030706143553.68319.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: grooveboxes Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:43:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2003 20:43:35.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FA6B490:01C344C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Also EMU is coming out with a new Command > Station, one based on the Planet Earth module, focused on > analog drum sounds. And, the MPC will never, ever go out of > style. Laptops are cool, but grooveboxes have their niche. > Actually, it's not a new command station - it's the same command station, with a new paint job. The sounds are new however - they aren't based on the Planet Earth. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dylan" To: Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:35 AM Subject: re: grooveboxes > david said: > > >Those "groove-boxes" have been falling out style for a > >year maybe two now. > >I'm guessing most people into them have been moving to > ?>laptops for greater > >control and flexibility. > > certainly laptops are making in-roads. but i wouldn't say > that "grooveboxes" are falling out of favor entirely. the > roland MC-909 is an amazing beast of a machine, and > everyone electronic musician i know that's gotten one is > completely thrilled: great sounds, great control, great > sequencer, good sampler. USB compatible, stable, portable, > and easy to use. Also EMU is coming out with a new Command > Station, one based on the Planet Earth module, focused on > analog drum sounds. And, the MPC will never, ever go out of > style. Laptops are cool, but grooveboxes have their niche. > > - dylan > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 17:18:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67LFWx25383; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:15:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:15:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:15:09 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <008901c344cc$d96296c0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <147.15092c35.2c3b08bd@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hi Per, > I don't see any adds from quicktime, perhaps because > I de-checked all the boxes on install. > (just to hear the os-files) > > andy Ok then :-) I downloadit QT and now I'm listening to "02_pete_um_set_pt2.mp4". Nice feel to this recording. But the yahoo server don't let me download more today although I'm logged in as a member. This file I downloaded a couple of days ago. Oh well, I'll try tomorrow. The QT player looks nice. Just like the iTunes skin I'm using for my MS Media Player ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 17:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67LPMG26646; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:25:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:25:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:25:02 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <008c01c344ce$3a3d3f30$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c344a4$f05232f0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Paul Marshall [mailto:paul@powerhaus.net] > I have the audio prepped from the show in Belfast. It sounds > great. Can hardly wait to listen ;-) > Glad to read other experiences of Rick's tour, At www.looproom.com there is now a picture of Rick having soup in Stockholm. Might be some soundfiles in the pipe line as well.... Cheers Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 17:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67Lp6w29871; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:51:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:51:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:55:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Bass Harmonizers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030707140757.78280.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 09:07 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > In addition to the pedals Douglas mentions, how about > a rack unit like the DBX 120, the Peavey Kosmos or the > Behringer Ultrabass? Anyone had any luck with these, i think that that would be a better choice for simple sub-octave synthesis than a pitch shifter. i know a dub bassist from Kansas City who gets an amazing tone from that thing ... he runs his bass into a crossover and the low end goes into the DBX and the high end goes into an envelope-following wah. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 17:58:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67LuVm30499; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:56:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:56:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Grooveboxes Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:56:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2003 21:56:25.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C7685E0:01C344D2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, is the EMU command station something that anyone on the list has much history with? is the unit good for beat making like the Akai MPC 2000? is it MIDI syncable to the EDP? peace, -matt _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 18:20:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67MJcG00737; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: <044201c344d5$dc3305c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <008901c344cc$d96296c0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it won't let me get these either. is there some file limit? anyone else have trouble? > > Ok then :-) I downloadit QT and now I'm listening to > "02_pete_um_set_pt2.mp4". Nice feel to this recording. But > the yahoo server don't let me download more today although > I'm logged in as a member. This file I downloaded a couple of > days ago. Oh well, I'll try tomorrow. > > The QT player looks nice. Just like the iTunes skin I'm using > for my MS Media Player ;-) > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 18:27:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67MOmE01403; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:24:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: cambridge loopfest audio files Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:24:51 -0500 Message-ID: <044401c344d6$95779c80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c344a4$f05232f0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, please. love your stuff. love rick's stuff. together you will either rule the universe! or destroy it... or something... > I have the audio prepped from the show in Belfast. It sounds > great. I wanted to speak with Rick before making it > available beyond my own ears. The unfortunate thing was that > somehow I managed to screw up the DAT that had the final 20 > minutes of Rick's performance which is a shame however the > bits that I did get were excellent (aside from my own > inaugral baptism by feedback :) > >... > > Keep her lit! > > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 18:50:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67Mmg904288; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:48:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:48:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <081c01c34570$7f65d660$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Grooveboxes Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:46:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe this is of no real use, but both the JOMOX X-BASE09 and the ELEKTRON MACHINEDRUM sync very well as slaves to the edp. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 18:56:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67MnmZ04431; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:49:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:49:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:49:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Grooveboxes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4BFB5648-B0CD-11D7-860E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the archives from all last few weeks. We've been talking about them extensively. It's often referred to as the XL-7 (its model number) Mark On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > hey, > > is the EMU command station something that anyone on the list has much > history with? is the unit good for beat making like the Akai MPC > 2000? is it MIDI syncable to the EDP? > > peace, > -matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 19:01:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67N0NX05921; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <075201c344dc$5bf56a90$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: Roland SPD-S doesn't send MIDI clock?! Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:06:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, As suggested by the threads of the past couple of days, I picked up a Roland SPD-S. In preperation of integrating it with the Electrix Repeater that's enroute from an E-bay purchase, I was looking at how to make things fly, and I noticed in the manual that it doesn't send a System clock. At least the "MIDI Implementation Chart" has an "x" in the "Transmitted" column of the system real time clock commands. Does this suck or what?! I'm counting on having the Repeater sync to my rhythm parts, so I guess now I have to rethink the SPD-S. Any suggestions? A regular beat box controlled by the SPD-6 (which I would re-exchange for)? I like the ability to have a drum pad so I can whack out rhythms on the fly, so I need *something* like that in my rig. Maybe there's a handy rack mount box to set in with the Repeater. Ideas? Thanks, Paul Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 19:43:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h67Na9310293; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:36:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:36:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3427462.1057620966932.JavaMail.nobody@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:36:06 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Digital Out on MD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <6Y5NPB.A.tgC.pPgC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The $200 used DAT machines aren't pro (balanced XLR connectors, digital outs, no SCMS, etc) portable units. Think of the TASCAM DA-P1, that's an equivalent model to the MD recorder I was referring to. But yes, $1600 for any MD recorder seems silly. DAT media flakiness: tapes getting eaten, audio dropouts, timecode going bad. I don't think DAT is anyone's first choice for safe archiving of data. People I know who use DAT for field recording transfer it to the computer ASAP and then archive to CD or DVD. Which reminds me of the ugh of realtime transfer speeds. Yetch. TravisH >>In related news, I found a "pro" portable MD recorder, with balanced >> ins/outs and digital IO for...$1600. For that money, I'd get a DAT >> recorder, >That's ridiculous. Used DAT machines, nice ones, are going for $200 or >less on >Ebay these days. Incredibly good deal for a machine that sounds great with >no compression. >> even with the media flakiness of DAT. >What media flakiness would that be? I've used DATs for years and haven't >had any >media problems (aside from one DAT -machine- that had a flakey transport >problem >and chewed up a master tape on one session, but it wasn't a great model >recorder, >and it had a history of not being maintained, just what happened to be >available >at the studio I was working at). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 20:03:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6802OZ13752; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grooveboxes Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:02:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 00:02:18.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[3216E7A0:01C344E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, the one i was asking about is the px-7 command station. do you know what's up with it? is it just an upgrade, it says new drum soundset. peace -matt >From: mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Grooveboxes >Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:49:42 -0700 > >Check out the archives from all last few weeks. We've been talking about >them extensively. It's often referred to as the XL-7 (its model number) > >Mark > >On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > >>hey, >> >>is the EMU command station something that anyone on the list has much >>history with? is the unit good for beat making like the Akai MPC 2000? >>is it MIDI syncable to the EDP? >> >>peace, >>-matt >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail >> > _________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 21:02:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6810J619794; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:00:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:00:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030708010012.82251.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Bass Harmonizers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Eric Williamson wrote: > > i know a dub bassist from Kansas City who gets an > amazing tone from > that thing ... he runs his bass into a crossover and > the low end goes > into the DBX and the high end goes into an > envelope-following wah. Yeah, Bill Laswell reputedly swears by his 120X for that 30Hz dubby thing, but I'm not sure how well it'd work for this cellist, since she's not going to be using great huge subbass bins. Hmmm, I think it was also in a Laswell interview that I read about using an envelope follower set so it doesn't actually 'punch' through the threshold but just provides a low-end filtery movement that he likes. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 21:27:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h681Puq22184; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:25:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:25:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:25:38 -0700 To: scott kungha drengsen From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd be doing a solo real-time bass-only track although with any luck it won't sound like it. I like the "made in real-time" distinction somewhat more than the "bass only" constraint, partially because I just got a new Roland GI-20 pitch-to-midi converter and am having fun layering Korg Z1 sounds over the bass and might want to feel free to use that. Since all fingers involved are only touching bass strings, I'd suggest it's all still bass, but at some point it's hard to say and I won't nitpick. btw, I was camping in Yosemite last week. I brought my recording gear, laptops and some small instruments with hopes of doing some LocationLooping. First it was incredibly noisy in the park, then my van broke down and is now in a shop near, of all places, Bass Lake. If the timing works out, I'll take my bass with me when I go to pick up the van and record there... best, Alex >So,We have a wonderful list of contributers.And I'm very excited to >hear everyones work.The "problem" is that with 19 people we would all be >limited to a little over 3 minutes...So how would people feel about a >Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass created in real >time.-and Volume II "plays well with others"-other musicians,drum >machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! > I'm not sure this would result in an even division of our talents but,I >suspect it will.. >I need to know if; >1. This sounds good to everyone >2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II > (I have thought of other options,so has Dave Talento, and this seems to >be the most inclusive and potentially interesting to bassists and >loopists.I guese we'll see how this works out) > > 1.Max Valentino >> > 2.Dan Soltzberg >> > 3.Alex Stahl >> > 4.Rick Walker >> > 5.Cameron Street >> > 6.Duncan Goddard >> > 7.Jeese Ray Lucas >> > 8.me >> > 9.Doug @ jumpcut ? >> > 10.Evan Meyers >> > 11.Jair Rohm Packer Wells >> > 12.OJ >> > 13.Gregory Bruce Campbell >> > 14.Chris Filber >> > 15.Weg >> > 16.Steve Lawson >> > 17.Mark Christiansen >> > 18.Dave Trenkel > 19.David Talento > PEACE >Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 21:53:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h681pgV25149; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:51:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:51:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:51:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Grooveboxes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just what's on their website. Looks like all the other Command Stations without the bright colors and a different ROM. My guess is they'll be selling the rom to people who want to add it to their older Command Stations too. Mark On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > Mark, > > the one i was asking about is the px-7 command station. do you know > what's up with it? is it just an upgrade, it says new drum soundset. > > peace > -matt > >> From: mark >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Grooveboxes >> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:49:42 -0700 >> >> Check out the archives from all last few weeks. We've been talking >> about them extensively. It's often referred to as the XL-7 (its >> model number) >> >> Mark >> >> On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: >> >>> hey, >>> >>> is the EMU command station something that anyone on the list has >>> much history with? is the unit good for beat making like the Akai >>> MPC 2000? is it MIDI syncable to the EDP? >>> >>> peace, >>> -matt >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >>> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail >>> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 21:56:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h681nTJ24889; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:49:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:49:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <077e01c344f3$fb9d0820$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:55:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Working on setting up my looper setup with the Electrix Repeather. I'm so danged new to all of this! I picked up a Behringer FCB1010 and was working on programming it. What a pain. The thing I notice is that it has "presets" that apparently fire off midi commands when you enter the preset. What I had in mind is a foot controller that I can easily program the switches to send the appropriat program change/control change messages to record enable, record, mute, etc. different tracks on the repeater. For my purposes the Behringer seems all wrong. Though this may be yet another perspective thing on my part. I've read lot's of Repeater users use the Behringer. Are they doing something different from me? The Behringer appears to be set where all the buttons represent certain types of midi messages. In other words, you can't program button 1 to do a control change message, it's fixed at program change. I may just be confused, but I spent the afternoon sorting through this. Am I off base here? What controllers would you all recommend? Thanks, Paul PS: If this has been touched on, I appologize for regurgitating it, I am just now getting in the mental space of the MIDI learning curve to thing about this! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 21:58:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h681vYl25846; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:57:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:57:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Grooveboxes Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:57:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 01:57:28.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[48C3B400:01C344F4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, so then it would be possible to grab an XL-7 pretty cheap as mentioned before and just add the new drum sound ROM? peace -matt >From: mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Grooveboxes >Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:51:36 -0700 > >Just what's on their website. Looks like all the other Command Stations >without the bright colors and a different ROM. > >My guess is they'll be selling the rom to people who want to add it to >their older Command Stations too. > >Mark > >On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > >>Mark, >> >>the one i was asking about is the px-7 command station. do you know >>what's up with it? is it just an upgrade, it says new drum soundset. >> >>peace >>-matt >> >>>From: mark >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: Grooveboxes >>>Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:49:42 -0700 >>> >>>Check out the archives from all last few weeks. We've been talking about >>>them extensively. It's often referred to as the XL-7 (its model number) >>> >>>Mark >>> >>>On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: >>> >>>>hey, >>>> >>>>is the EMU command station something that anyone on the list has much >>>>history with? is the unit good for beat making like the Akai MPC 2000? >>>>is it MIDI syncable to the EDP? >>>> >>>>peace, >>>>-matt >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >>>>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail >>>> >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 23:49:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h683gBN05294; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:42:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:42:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:40:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Rise of the machines From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3140466049_83990_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3140466049_83990_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I missed the beginning of this thread, but if the topic is finding a good mechanical drummer, I recommend the Korg ES-1. This is a sampling step-programmable drum machine. Because you can record into it whatever sounds you want, it's quite versatile. It's very easy to use, and performance-friendly. It is limited, however, by being step-programmed, e.g. you can't really chop stuff up the way you can on a laptop. Still, I have found it a cooperative and easygoing partner. I use it in my live setup with a volume pedal and a few tabletop effects, and am able to get into some really nice stuff. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --MS_Mac_OE_3140466049_83990_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Rise of the machines I missed the beginning of this thread, but if the topic is finding a good m= echanical drummer, I recommend the Korg ES-1. This is a sampling step-progra= mmable drum machine.

Because you can record into it whatever sounds you want, it's quite versati= le. It's very easy to use, and performance-friendly.

It is limited, however, by being step-programmed, e.g. you can't really cho= p stuff up the way you can on a laptop.

Still, I have found it a cooperative and easygoing partner. I use it in my = live setup with a volume pedal and a few tabletop effects, and am able to ge= t into some really nice stuff.


dan


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--MS_Mac_OE_3140466049_83990_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 7 23:49:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h683m4J05944; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:48:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:48:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c34503$e22ca160$6401a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <077e01c344f3$fb9d0820$0600a8c0@money2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_LfvaB.A.vcB.07jC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul! > Am I off base here? Yes, you are a bit off base. The FCB1010 *will* send what you want, it's just that the manual is very poorly written. Beside reading it very, very carefully, you might check out the Yahoo group "fcb1010". They have an Editor in their download area that makes programming the FCB1010 much easier and a lot of other info. You need to do a bit of dancing to program the FCB1010. I don't think it's hard to do, just hard to understand how to do it given the manual. [Anybody remember an old, old TV commercial where they tied a Timex watch (or maybe it was a Bic pen) onto the shoes of a Flamenco dancer? We all thought he was testing the watch (or pen) when he was dancing. Now I believe that he was actually programming a FCB1010.] Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI Foot controllers? Hi all, Working on setting up my looper setup with the Electrix Repeather. I'm so danged new to all of this! I picked up a Behringer FCB1010 and was working on programming it. What a pain. The thing I notice is that it has "presets" that apparently fire off midi commands when you enter the preset. What I had in mind is a foot controller that I can easily program the switches to send the appropriat program change/control change messages to record enable, record, mute, etc. different tracks on the repeater. For my purposes the Behringer seems all wrong. Though this may be yet another perspective thing on my part. I've read lot's of Repeater users use the Behringer. Are they doing something different from me? The Behringer appears to be set where all the buttons represent certain types of midi messages. In other words, you can't program button 1 to do a control change message, it's fixed at program change. I may just be confused, but I spent the afternoon sorting through this. Am I off base here? What controllers would you all recommend? Thanks, Paul PS: If this has been touched on, I appologize for regurgitating it, I am just now getting in the mental space of the MIDI learning curve to thing about this! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 00:34:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h684Wv011083; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:32:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <08a801c345a0$a517cc30$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <077e01c344f3$fb9d0820$0600a8c0@money2> Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:31:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I picked up a Behringer FCB1010 and was working on programming it. What a pain." amen to that, but once you "get it" you'll definitely get it. "The thing I notice is that it has "presets" that apparently fire off midi commands when you enter the preset." you can thank behringer for pre-programming the fcb to work with other behringer gear. a real nice touch...really makes the thing a joy to work with. "What I had in mind is a foot controller that I can easily program the switches to send the appropriat program change/control change messages to record enable, record, mute, etc. different tracks on the repeater. For my purposes the Behringer seems all wrong." "easily program" and "behringer" don't belong in the same sentence, as far as i'm concerned. as well, no cc messages. "What controllers would you all recommend?" i recommend the rocktron all access, but i would bet that the rocktron midimate would be just as easy to program, would send cc messages, and has a reliable expression pedal jack. don't know how they would work with the repeater, but with the edp, the all access is a match made in heaven. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 03:19:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h687HGP27089; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 03:17:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 03:17:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <29.43e6dbd0.2c3bc9f5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 03:17:09 EDT Subject: RE: Cambridge loopfest audio files To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > it won't let me get these either. > is there some file limit? > anyone else have trouble? Yes, the files on yahoo wouldn't download for me either. There's also files on other domains, check the info on the yahoo-group site andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 04:14:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h688An531901; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:10:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c34528$6f78ec30$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Berlin Livelooping evening Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:10:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That looks like it was an awesome event. I look forward to hearing some recordings! Looks like you had some nicer stage lighting (i.e. any lighting at all) than we did in Cambridge :) cheers, os. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Berlin Livelooping evening > Rick Walker (who'll probably update his tour diary soon) and his wife Chris > are now off to Radolfzell (South Germany) to gig with Louie Angulo. It was > sad to see them go after we had 5 wonderful days together. > > Last Tuesday, Rick did a solo gig here in Cologne in a sound art gallery. > Then on Friday, we drove to Berlin where Andreas Willers and Leander > Reininghaus had organized a gig which went well and was big fun. > > On stage from left to right were: jazz guitarist Andreas Willers, myself (I > played some guitar but mostly did a cut-up radio kind of thing using the > EDP), Rick Walker with his translucent dayglo green plastic performance, > Matthias Grob on guitar, and Michael Schiefel (a singer from Berlin who I > hadn't known before and whose performance really blew my mind). > > Each of us did a solo set and then we improvised together. Maybe I'll be > able to upload some music later on. > > Here are some pictures from the gig: > http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/berlinloop > > > = michael peters > = www.michaelpeters.de > = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 06:11:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68A7fm08205; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 06:07:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 06:07:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:07:35 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000a01c34538$c2eca680$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <077e01c344f3$fb9d0820$0600a8c0@money2> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-spam-white: found in SE.rbl.cluecentral.net Resent-Message-ID: <8wpNVC.A.AAC.tfpC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Sanders > The Behringer appears to be set where all the buttons > represent certain types of midi messages. In other words, you > can't program button 1 to do a control change message, it's > fixed at program change. Hey, you are missing one important aspect here! The FCB manual is talking about "MIDI functions" which is NOT the same as the BUTTONS. You can actually program BUTTON 1 to do a control change msg! Simply set BUTTON 1 to send MIDI FUNCTION 6 (which is, for the programming, represented by BUTTTON 6). Once you get the hang of this the FCB is easy to program - but oh so slow. --> The MIDI functions are set globally in the global meny (get there by holding down the down arrow button while powering up) --> The bank and button programming is reached by holding down the arrow button while the FCB is already powered up. All the best PBoy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 07:33:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68BUoN14618; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:30:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:30:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c34544$35389860$63e35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:29:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stahl" > I like the "made in real-time" distinction somewhat more than the > "bass only" constraint, partially because I just got a new Roland > GI-20 pitch-to-midi converter and am having fun layering Korg Z1 > sounds over the bass and might want to feel free to use that. Hi Alex, How do you like the GI-20? (I assume it requires a GK-2B pickup?) I have an old GM-70/GK-1 that is slow to track lower notes on my guitar due to the physics of lower pitches having longer wavelengths. Has the software algorithms improved to the point where the GI-20 can actually track well on a bass? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 09:26:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68DP0u26957; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:25:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:25:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200307081324.h68DOuA00498@mail024.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:32:50 +0800 Subject: Re: Bass Harmonizers From: "Cameron Street" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6cYspC.A.FlG.sYsC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought the Behringer Ultrabass, it's great for the price. it tracks ok for bass guitar, i boost the signal with a sansamp bassDI before it then into one side of my amp then a sub ect. it goes way low. I should use a front loaded Sub than a long throw, it makes it tough for sound guys ect. i just realized how greedy and silly i am, lol ---------- >From: Tim Nelson >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Bass Harmonizers >Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:07 PM > >In addition to the pedals Douglas mentions, how about >a rack unit like the DBX 120, the Peavey Kosmos or the >Behringer Ultrabass? Anyone had any luck with these, >or are they more suited to remix/sound reinforcement >than live instrumentation? > >-t- > >ps: Hey, Douglas! Yer computer's date is set a month >back! > >--- Douglas Baldwin wrote: >> Medic! medic! I thought that >> sub-octave-synthesis-for-cello thread died >> awful quick. Someone mentioned the Boss harmonizer >> pedal, and I was >> wondering if anyone could compare it to the >> harmonizers contained within the >> Boss GT-3, GT-5, and GT-6 multi-fx pedals. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 09:32:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68DQ3J27104; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: hummer ! Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:30:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: EZ97LgZEge8a5jOfHrqeqdeCsLkGtn3RogZtlkpWlQX1bQusi6DMYo@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com help! the recording of the very nice Berlin Livelooping evening (july 4th, 2003) is flawed by a loud hum ... does anyone know if there is a way to get rid of it? of course it is not a simple hum but something that covers many frequencies and that has a pattern ... simple filters or denoising algorithms won't be enough I think ... is there a software (if possible, for pc) that could handle this? here's an example: http://www.michaelpeters.de/temp/ -michael peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 09:49:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68DjXb29297; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:45:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:45:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Product Announcement Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:46:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c34557$5960e720$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <08a801c345a0$a517cc30$72a44a43@g0wn7> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All! I am pleased to announce the release of EDPDA, a Palm Powered librarian/assistant for the EDP. Why does it run on a Palm (or Palm compatible)? Several reasons, but most importantly: 1) used PDAs are inexpensive, $30-60$, and 2) much more portable and rugged than a laptop. Palm software is very robust, no worries about having on-stage system crashes. Palms also boot incredibly quick (in under 1 second) since they are always on. For more information, including a complete manual and free demo, visit www.greenteasoftware.com. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 09:53:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68DpdA29946; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <108.24c2d0e5.2c3c2664@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:51:32 EDT Subject: Re: hummer ! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/8/03 6:27:52 AM, mpeters@csi.com writes: << the recording of the very nice Berlin Livelooping evening (july 4th, 2003) is flawed by a loud hum ...is there a software (if possible, for pc) that could handle this? >> ouch I ran it thru the only NR I have, Raygun from arboretum. Seemed to respond to a 50 Hertz hum filter. Adjusting some threshold stuff I was able to get the hum into the background, it is still there but tolerable. Steinberg makes a denoiser plug-in which judging by the price must be pro level and powerful. Might do the trick. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com. http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 10:47:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68Eekn02954; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:40:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:40:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: hummer ! Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:40:38 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <00f401c3455e$e64bb730$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > is there a software (if possible, for pc) that could handle this? > > > here's an example: http://www.michaelpeters.de/temp/ > > > -michael peters I was just going to post that I have been fixing hum and hiss with the Waves Restauration plug-in on the pc, but after listening to the example I'm afraid it will not be so easy to clean it up =( Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 11:58:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68Fsj714236; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:54:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:54:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: OT: Re: Grooveboxes Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:54:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 15:54:39.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CF72BA0:01C34569] Resent-Message-ID: <3cATqB.A.UeD.FluC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eventually yes, though they usually delay release for a while after the new unit comes out. Until then you'ld have to remain 'satisfied' with the Xl-7 sounds. May I also recomend the beat garden Rom, for more organic drums? bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Grooveboxes > Mark, > > so then it would be possible to grab an XL-7 pretty cheap as mentioned > before and just add the new drum sound ROM? > > peace > -matt > > >From: mark > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Grooveboxes > >Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:51:36 -0700 > > > >Just what's on their website. Looks like all the other Command Stations > >without the bright colors and a different ROM. > > > >My guess is they'll be selling the rom to people who want to add it to > >their older Command Stations too. > > > >Mark > > > >On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > > > >>Mark, > >> > >>the one i was asking about is the px-7 command station. do you know > >>what's up with it? is it just an upgrade, it says new drum soundset. > >> > >>peace > >>-matt > >> > >>>From: mark > >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>Subject: Re: Grooveboxes > >>>Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:49:42 -0700 > >>> > >>>Check out the archives from all last few weeks. We've been talking about > >>>them extensively. It's often referred to as the XL-7 (its model number) > >>> > >>>Mark > >>> > >>>On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: > >>> > >>>>hey, > >>>> > >>>>is the EMU command station something that anyone on the list has much > >>>>history with? is the unit good for beat making like the Akai MPC 2000? > >>>>is it MIDI syncable to the EDP? > >>>> > >>>>peace, > >>>>-matt > >>>> > >>>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > >>>>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > >>>> > >>> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 12:06:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68FwNl14742; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:58:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:58:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <108.24c2d0e5.2c3c2664@aol.com> Subject: OT Re: hummer ! Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:58:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 15:58:17.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEC28E90:01C34569] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Steinberg makes a denoiser plug-in which judging by the price must be pro > level and powerful. Might do the trick. > The Steinberg denoiser is pretty poor. I'd recomend Sonic Foundry's venerable but still effective Noise Reduction, or Wave's Noise Reduction Plugin Pack (a really pricey alternative, but often better sounding). For Hum reduction, the Waves NR pack has a really good Hum reducer - removes the hum and all harmonics in one. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 6:51 AM Subject: Re: hummer ! > > In a message dated 7/8/03 6:27:52 AM, mpeters@csi.com writes: > > << the recording of the very nice Berlin Livelooping evening (july 4th, > > 2003) is flawed by a loud hum ...is there a software (if possible, for pc) > that could handle this? >> > > ouch > > I ran it thru the only NR I have, Raygun from arboretum. Seemed to respond to > a 50 Hertz hum filter. Adjusting some threshold stuff I was able to get the > hum into the background, it is still there but tolerable. > > Steinberg makes a denoiser plug-in which judging by the price must be pro > level and powerful. Might do the trick. > > > BobC > > The Thumb Piano Project > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > http://trundlebox.iuma.com. > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 13:13:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68H7px26239; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:07:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:07:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030708170749.63360.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: RE: Digital Out on MD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3427462.1057620966932.JavaMail.nobody@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6aS0WD.A.3ZG.mpvC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > The $200 used DAT machines aren't pro (balanced XLR connectors, digital outs, > no SCMS, etc) portable units. Not portable, but definitely pro (Panasonic SV3700/3800, studio standards for many years). I didn't think portable was the in this case, since it didn't appear that the $1600 MD recorder in question was portable either. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 13:40:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68HbGZ30640; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <26.3c043a78.2c3c5b3d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:37:01 EDT Subject: Re: OT Re: hummer ! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/8/03 8:59:08 AM, ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes: << The Steinberg denoiser is pretty poor. >> Bummer. I was shocked at the price, I would expect high performance at that $$. After messing around a bit more I was actually able to almost completely remove the hum using RayGun. I had to adjust the threshold to +12dB. There is some loss of brightness but it is listenable especially relative to the original file. RayGun may be mac only, not sure. But if RayGun can do it I would imagine Wave's or Sonic Foundry would work fine. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com. http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 14:02:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68I00L01193; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:00:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030708175958.99652.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <077e01c344f3$fb9d0820$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1T6NzB.A.gS.gawC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Sanders wrote: > I picked up a Behringer FCB1010 and was working on programming it. What a > pain. It's easy once you understand the way the thing works. > The thing I notice is that it has "presets" that apparently fire off midi > commands when you enter the preset. Right, one per button, with 10 banks of buttons. > What I had in mind is a foot controller that I can easily program the > switches to send the appropriat program change/control change messages to > record enable, record, mute, etc. different tracks on the repeater. For my > purposes the Behringer seems all wrong. Nope, the Behringer will do exactly what you need. I'm using one with my Repeater and am fully happy with it. > Though this may be yet another perspective thing on my part. I've read lot's > of Repeater users use the Behringer. Are they doing something different from > me? Probably not, they've just figured out how the FCB1010 works. > The Behringer appears to be set where all the buttons represent certain > types of midi messages. In other words, you can't program button 1 to do a > control change message, it's fixed at program change. In PROGRAMMING MODE, button 1 selects the first PC in the set. The FCB1010 has two modes, normal mode, which sends whatever is programmed in the preset when you step on the switch to select it, and programming mode, where you define what's in the preset. Each preset is comprised of a "package", a fixed group of PC/CC/and note MIDI functions to be sent together when it's selected (and you can also make assignments for the 2 CC pedals and the operation of the switching jacks). Think of a preset as a container with 10 little slots in it. You can either put something in each of the slots or not, but the slots are always there whether you use 'em or not. The package of midi cmds in a preset looks like this: PC#1/PC#2/PC#3/PC#4/PC#5/CC#1/CC#2/Assignment for EXP 1 & 2/Note It's preprogrammed by Behringer to control one of their amps & a Vamp, depending on what bank you select, so for example, a preset might do something like: PC=31/PC=48/blank/blank/blank/blank/blank/EXP1=CC10/EXP2=CC11/blank To reprogram this, you'd go into programming mode, select pedal 1 for PC#1, change the PC value it's going to send, confirm that, select pedal 2 for PC#2, change it's value, confirm that, etc etc, then save the changes. It's really not difficult. What appears to be confusing is that the manual doesn't explain how or why it works, it just gives a couple of "cookbook style" examples. Press this, press that, press the other, long press, short press, look for this light, etc. Go through the examples! Once you've done this a time or two, it'll be clear to you. Also, look through the list archives at loopers-delight.com, and through the Yahoogroup repeater-users for very specific information about how to program it for use with a Repeater. This has been discussed extensively in the past. > I may just be confused, but I spent the afternoon sorting through this. > Am I off base here? Yes. The way the manual is written, you will probably never understand it until you DO it. > What controllers would you all recommend? I thing the FCB1010 is an excellent midi foot controller for use with the Repeater. Like I say, I've been -very happy- with mine. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 14:09:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68I7Wu02322; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:07:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:07:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030708180731.61519.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <08a801c345a0$a517cc30$72a44a43@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jimfowler wrote: > "The thing I notice is that it has "presets" that apparently fire off midi > commands when you enter the preset." > > you can thank behringer for pre-programming the fcb to work with other > behringer gear. a real nice touch...really makes the thing a joy to work > with. If you have a Behringer product to control with it... Otherwise you have to clear out any of their pre-programming, or it'll likely make your device do something weird and unexpected. > "What I had in mind is a foot controller that I can easily program the > switches to send the appropriat program change/control change messages to > record enable, record, mute, etc. different tracks on the repeater. For my > purposes the Behringer seems all wrong." > > "easily program" and "behringer" don't belong in the same sentence, as far > as i'm concerned. as well, no cc messages. I'm not sure what you mean, Jim. Each preset can send two fixed CC msgs with values, in addition to setting the expression pedals to send continuous cc values. Now, each preset can only send two CC fixed values, and the midi channel for each cc "slot" is globally assigned, limiting it's flexability when controlling multiple devices, so it might not be the best for everyone's rig. It works great with a single repeater though. > "What controllers would you all recommend?" > > i recommend the rocktron all access, but i would bet that the rocktron > midimate would be just as easy to program, would send cc messages, and has a > reliable expression pedal jack. don't know how they would work with the > repeater, but with the edp, the all access is a match made in heaven. The thing for me is that the FCB has two built in expression pedals, and as near as I can tell, it costs less then half of it's nearest reasonable competition. I paid $114 for mine, brand new. Nothing else in that price range even comes close to the functionality this thing has, they're all unprogrammable, flimsy, and extremely limited. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 14:12:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68I53u01965; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:05:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:05:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <50.1f623361.2c3c61c0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:04:48 EDT Subject: Re: hummer ! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > help! the recording of the very nice Berlin Livelooping evening (july 4th, > 2003) is flawed by a loud hum ... > > does anyone know if there is a way to get rid of it? of course it is not a > simple hum but something that covers many frequencies and that has a pattern > ... simple filters or denoising algorithms won't be enough I think ... > > is there a software (if possible, for pc) that could handle this? > > > here's an example: http://www.michaelpeters.de/temp/ > > > -michael peters > Cool Edit Pro would be your best bet. If you have a recording of just the noise on it's own (a few seconds), then you can use the noise reduction FX to kill it. Otherwise CEP has some very good filters that could be set to take out each of the harmonics in turn (they have a preset for 60Hz hum) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 15:16:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68JEGP11575; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:14:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:14:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <08f301c34585$f073be70$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <20030708175958.99652.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:20:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? > --- Paul Sanders wrote: > . > > > The Behringer appears to be set where all the buttons represent certain > > types of midi messages. In other words, you can't program button 1 to do a > > control change message, it's fixed at program change. > > In PROGRAMMING MODE, button 1 selects the first PC in the set. The FCB1010 has > two modes, normal mode, which sends whatever is programmed in the preset when you > step on the switch to select it, and programming mode, where you define what's in > the preset. Each preset is comprised of a "package", a fixed group of PC/CC/and > note MIDI functions to be sent together when it's selected (and you can also make > assignments for the 2 CC pedals and the operation of the switching jacks). Think > of a preset as a container with 10 little slots in it. You can either put > something in each of the slots or not, but the slots are always there whether you > use 'em or not. I've discovered most of what you say here by futzing with it for a while yesterday and last night. What I'm still foggy on is how to switch between "NORMAL mode" and "PROGRAMMING mode". When I power the thing up (without holding the "Down" button) I'm in normal mode, right? Is programming mode the mode when I hold down the "Down" button after selecting a preset? Are you suggesting that I run the unit in this mode? I was under the impression it's just for programming the presets. Here's what I've been doing with it... Now, I've set the thing in the mode where I program the presets by holding down the "Down" botton for 2-3 seconds, but my understanding is that is how I get to where I can set the balues of the PC/CC/etc for the preset itself. Once I leave that mode, if I step on a button I'm back to selecting that preset within that bank, and that's not what I set out to do. I figure I can have different presets set up to put the Repeater in different states, but that seems obscure to me. I want to step on a button to tell it to play, another button to tell it to record, and another button to tell it to mute track 2, etc. When I power the thing up though, when I step on a button, I'm selecting a preset, not sending just that single control message, unless of course I have the preset set up to send only that single control message, which seems wasteful to me. Is that how I have to do it though? I'm getting closer, but there's still something I'm missing. I've been digging through the fcb1010 archives too. Seems there are a lot of "helpful" perspectives, but none that are yet clearing things up for me. > > The package of midi cmds in a preset looks like this: > > PC#1/PC#2/PC#3/PC#4/PC#5/CC#1/CC#2/Assignment for EXP 1 & 2/Note > > It's preprogrammed by Behringer to control one of their amps & a Vamp, depending > on what bank you select, so for example, a preset might do something like: > > PC=31/PC=48/blank/blank/blank/blank/blank/EXP1=CC10/EXP2=CC11/blank > > To reprogram this, you'd go into programming mode, select pedal 1 for PC#1, > change the PC value it's going to send, confirm that, select pedal 2 for PC#2, > change it's value, confirm that, etc etc, then save the changes. It's really not > difficult. > > What appears to be confusing is that the manual doesn't explain how or why it > works, it just gives a couple of "cookbook style" examples. Press this, press > that, press the other, long press, short press, look for this light, etc. Go > through the examples! Once you've done this a time or two, it'll be clear to you. > > Also, look through the list archives at loopers-delight.com, and through the > Yahoogroup repeater-users for very specific information about how to program it > for use with a Repeater. This has been discussed extensively in the past. > > > I may just be confused, but I spent the afternoon sorting through this. > > Am I off base here? > > Yes. The way the manual is written, you will probably never understand it until > you DO it. > > > What controllers would you all recommend? > > I thing the FCB1010 is an excellent midi foot controller for use with the > Repeater. Like I say, I've been -very happy- with mine. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 15:35:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68JWd914030; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:32:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:32:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030708193236.49090.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <08f301c34585$f073be70$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8AxU1C.A.FbD.XxxC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Sanders wrote: > What I'm still foggy on is how to switch between "NORMAL mode" and > "PROGRAMMING mode". > > When I power the thing up (without holding the "Down" button) I'm in normal > mode, right? Is programming mode the mode when I hold down the "Down" button > after selecting a preset? Yes, that's where you program it. > Are you suggesting that I run the unit in this mode? No. > Now, I've set the thing in the mode where I program the presets by holding > down the "Down" botton for 2-3 seconds, but my understanding is that is how > I get to where I can set the balues of the PC/CC/etc for the preset itself. > Once I leave that mode, if I step on a button I'm back to selecting that > preset within that bank, and that's not what I set out to do. Why isn't that what you set out to do? I don't understand. The objective is to get the controller to send the desired midi messgaes to the device you're controlling. You do that by stepping on one of the buttons you've programmed to invoke that preset, sending whatever midi commands it contains. > I figure I can have different presets set up to put the Repeater in > different states, but that seems obscure to me. > > I want to step on a button to tell it to play, another button to tell it to > record, and another button to tell it to mute track 2, etc. When I power the > thing up though, when I step on a button, I'm selecting a preset, not > sending just that single control message, unless of course I have the preset > set up to send only that single control message, which seems wasteful to me. > Is that how I have to do it though? Yeah. The preset contains those items, whether you use 'em or not. In lingo you're more familiar with, a TCP packet has a bunch of slots in it for things that may or may not be present. The space is there if you need it, it's "wasted" if you don't. The FCB1010 is the same idea. They present you a simple data structure that has space for 5 PC msgs, 2 fixed CC msgs, one note-on, and the assignment of 2 expression pedals and two analog switches. You fill in what you need (and erase what you don't need from their product-specific default programming...). Basically, as near as I can tell, the designers made it easier for themselves to code to the hardware at the expense of the user interface. Perhaps such a rigid architecture helps with latancy issues (how long it takes to send the midi commands after you press the button), I don't know. I have read how some midi controllers have significant lags between when you press the switch to when the command is actually sent. > I'm getting closer, but there's still something I'm missing. I've been > digging through the fcb1010 archives too. Seems there are a lot of "helpful" > perspectives, but none that are yet clearing things up for me. You just have to do it. It'll become clear, trust me. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 15:45:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68Jfc715396; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:41:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:41:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <08fb01c34589$c3886d80$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <20030708193236.49090.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:47:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? > --- Paul Sanders wrote: > > > What I'm still foggy on is how to switch between "NORMAL mode" and > > "PROGRAMMING mode". > > > > When I power the thing up (without holding the "Down" button) I'm in normal > > mode, right? Is programming mode the mode when I hold down the "Down" button > > after selecting a preset? > > Yes, that's where you program it. > > > Are you suggesting that I run the unit in this mode? > > No. > > > Now, I've set the thing in the mode where I program the presets by holding > > down the "Down" botton for 2-3 seconds, but my understanding is that is how > > I get to where I can set the balues of the PC/CC/etc for the preset itself. > > Once I leave that mode, if I step on a button I'm back to selecting that > > preset within that bank, and that's not what I set out to do. > > Why isn't that what you set out to do? I don't understand. The objective is to > get the controller to send the desired midi messgaes to the device you're > controlling. You do that by stepping on one of the buttons you've programmed to > invoke that preset, sending whatever midi commands it contains. > > > I figure I can have different presets set up to put the Repeater in > > different states, but that seems obscure to me. > > > > I want to step on a button to tell it to play, another button to tell it to > > record, and another button to tell it to mute track 2, etc. When I power the > > thing up though, when I step on a button, I'm selecting a preset, not > > sending just that single control message, unless of course I have the preset > > set up to send only that single control message, which seems wasteful to me. > > Is that how I have to do it though? > > Yeah. The preset contains those items, whether you use 'em or not. In lingo > you're more familiar with, a TCP packet has a bunch of slots in it for things > that may or may not be present. The space is there if you need it, it's "wasted" > if you don't. The FCB1010 is the same idea. They present you a simple data > structure that has space for 5 PC msgs, 2 fixed CC msgs, one note-on, and the > assignment of 2 expression pedals and two analog switches. You fill in what you > need (and erase what you don't need from their product-specific default > programming...). > > Basically, as near as I can tell, the designers made it easier for themselves to > code to the hardware at the expense of the user interface. Perhaps such a rigid > architecture helps with latancy issues (how long it takes to send the midi > commands after you press the button), I don't know. I have read how some midi > controllers have significant lags between when you press the switch to when the > command is actually sent. > > > I'm getting closer, but there's still something I'm missing. I've been > > digging through the fcb1010 archives too. Seems there are a lot of "helpful" > > perspectives, but none that are yet clearing things up for me. > > You just have to do it. It'll become clear, trust me. I think it's clear already, I just think there's some disconnect between my thinking and other's explanation. I actually was able to program a preset to send a signal to my SPD-S to turn off the sounds, and I got that working. I think my contention was with the scope and context of what presets. Here is how I WANTED it to work, followed by how I now understand it to work: I WANTED to program an individual button to send whatever kind of MIDI message I wanted when I pressed *that button*. In reality, if I press button 1, it's going to fire off preset 1, which will send all messages programmed to be sent for preset 1. If I want to have *button 1* send a single CC message, I have to program preset 1 to disable all other buttons except for one of the CC buttons (switch number 6 or 7 IIRC). I guess the end result is the same, just a round about way to get where I want IMO. But, for a little over $100, I guess one can't complain. Does this now sound like I have the right idea? Thanks! Paul > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 15:46:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68Jhwd15614; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:43:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <20030708193236.49090.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <08fb01c34589$c3886d80$0600a8c0@money2> Subject: Re: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:43:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 19:43:51.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[4214C780:01C34589] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you guys tried the FCB programming software that was recently released by a group of users? bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sanders" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg House" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? > > > > --- Paul Sanders wrote: > > > > > What I'm still foggy on is how to switch between "NORMAL mode" and > > > "PROGRAMMING mode". > > > > > > When I power the thing up (without holding the "Down" button) I'm in > normal > > > mode, right? Is programming mode the mode when I hold down the "Down" > button > > > after selecting a preset? > > > > Yes, that's where you program it. > > > > > Are you suggesting that I run the unit in this mode? > > > > No. > > > > > Now, I've set the thing in the mode where I program the presets by > holding > > > down the "Down" botton for 2-3 seconds, but my understanding is that is > how > > > I get to where I can set the balues of the PC/CC/etc for the preset > itself. > > > Once I leave that mode, if I step on a button I'm back to selecting that > > > preset within that bank, and that's not what I set out to do. > > > > Why isn't that what you set out to do? I don't understand. The objective > is to > > get the controller to send the desired midi messgaes to the device you're > > controlling. You do that by stepping on one of the buttons you've > programmed to > > invoke that preset, sending whatever midi commands it contains. > > > > > I figure I can have different presets set up to put the Repeater in > > > different states, but that seems obscure to me. > > > > > > I want to step on a button to tell it to play, another button to tell it > to > > > record, and another button to tell it to mute track 2, etc. When I power > the > > > thing up though, when I step on a button, I'm selecting a preset, not > > > sending just that single control message, unless of course I have the > preset > > > set up to send only that single control message, which seems wasteful to > me. > > > Is that how I have to do it though? > > > > Yeah. The preset contains those items, whether you use 'em or not. In > lingo > > you're more familiar with, a TCP packet has a bunch of slots in it for > things > > that may or may not be present. The space is there if you need it, it's > "wasted" > > if you don't. The FCB1010 is the same idea. They present you a simple data > > structure that has space for 5 PC msgs, 2 fixed CC msgs, one note-on, and > the > > assignment of 2 expression pedals and two analog switches. You fill in > what you > > need (and erase what you don't need from their product-specific default > > programming...). > > > > Basically, as near as I can tell, the designers made it easier for > themselves to > > code to the hardware at the expense of the user interface. Perhaps such a > rigid > > architecture helps with latancy issues (how long it takes to send the midi > > commands after you press the button), I don't know. I have read how some > midi > > controllers have significant lags between when you press the switch to > when the > > command is actually sent. > > > > > I'm getting closer, but there's still something I'm missing. I've been > > > digging through the fcb1010 archives too. Seems there are a lot of > "helpful" > > > perspectives, but none that are yet clearing things up for me. > > > > You just have to do it. It'll become clear, trust me. > > I think it's clear already, I just think there's some disconnect between my > thinking and other's explanation. I actually was able to program a preset to > send a signal to my SPD-S to turn off the sounds, and I got that working. I > think my contention was with the scope and context of what presets. > > Here is how I WANTED it to work, followed by how I now understand it to > work: > > I WANTED to program an individual button to send whatever kind of MIDI > message I wanted when I pressed *that button*. > > In reality, if I press button 1, it's going to fire off preset 1, which will > send all messages programmed to be sent for preset 1. > > If I want to have *button 1* send a single CC message, I have to program > preset 1 to disable all other buttons except for one of the CC buttons > (switch number 6 or 7 IIRC). > > I guess the end result is the same, just a round about way to get where I > want IMO. But, for a little over $100, I guess one can't complain. > > Does this now sound like I have the right idea? > > Thanks! > > Paul > > > > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 15:51:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68JmHh16740; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:48:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:48:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:48:08 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <011801c34589$db8071d0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <08fb01c34589$c3886d80$0600a8c0@money2> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > Here is how I WANTED it to work, followed by how I now > understand it to > work: > > If I want to have *button 1* send a single CC message, I have > to program preset 1 to disable all other buttons except for > one of the CC buttons (switch number 6 or 7 IIRC). > > I guess the end result is the same, just a round about way to > get where I want IMO. But, for a little over $100, I guess > one can't complain. > > Does this now sound like I have the right idea? That's it! Keep it up ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 16:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68K29Q18539; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:02:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:02:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005601c34544$35389860$63e35cd1@billfox> References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> <005601c34544$35389860$63e35cd1@billfox> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:01:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Sorry to say the laws of physics haven't changed all that much yet. I think that has something to do with why the V-Bass didn't have a built-in MIDI out and appears to track so much better-- the attacks (at least) are derived from signal processing instead of pitch detection/resynthesis. Nonetheless, the GI-20 tracks as well or better than any other pitch-to-midi device I've tried. It follows bends and slides nicely. From the few days experience I have with it, I'm estimating it outputs a midi note after about 3 cycles. For the lowest note on my bass, that's 40 milliseconds which is an awfully long time to wait :-) But that's to be expected, and I am not even trying to use it for rhythmic attacks, but rather to trigger textural sounds that layer in with processed pickup signals. Yes, it requires a GK-compatible pickup with the lovely little 13-pin DIN connectors. I took apart a GK-2B and rebuilt it to fit the string spacing on my upright, and it works great for pizz but not arco (it's a magnetic coil so no wonder), and I'm building a GK splitter/router box now. I'm hoping to try a Lightwave optical pickup soon. -Alex S. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alex Stahl" >> I like the "made in real-time" distinction somewhat more than the >> "bass only" constraint, partially because I just got a new Roland >> GI-20 pitch-to-midi converter and am having fun layering Korg Z1 >> sounds over the bass and might want to feel free to use that. > >Hi Alex, > >How do you like the GI-20? (I assume it requires a GK-2B pickup?) I have an >old GM-70/GK-1 that is slow to track lower notes on my guitar due to >the physics >of lower pitches having longer wavelengths. Has the software algorithms >improved to the point where the GI-20 can actually track well on a bass? > >Cheers, > >Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 16:20:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68KCbT20316; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:12:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:12:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:16:38 -0500 Subject: Possibly OT: Robert Rich in Illinois, USA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Analogue Heaven , tadream@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <14D079E0-B181-11D7-8ED8-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of you in the Chicago/St Louis area, Robert Rich will be playing July 22nd in my studio in downtown Chillicothe, IL (which is 15 miles from Peoria). It is easily accessible by highway (a 20 minute drive from I-74 and a 30 minute drive from I-39). I will have seating for 30 people in my storefront location. Coffee drinks, soft drinks, desserts, and wif-fi will be available at a coffee bar located across the street, which will be open especially late for this occasion. I still have tickets available (pre-orders came from as near as down the street and as far as North Carolina). it's possible there will be room for standing guests but I can't guarantee room. Showtime is 8pm, and I am the opening act. the PA setup is a pair of Mackie SR1530s, which i find to be excellent for this environment ... very clean and full-range. Tickets are 10 dollars in advance and 12 at the door. email me at (erwill at suitandtieguy dot com) if you wish to purchase tickets ahead of time or would like directions. the address is: 953 N Second Street Chillicothe IL 61523 I don't believe Robert is playing in Chicago so this will be an excellent opportunity for a short road trip for those in the area to see him play in a comfortable and intimate surrounding. estimated distances: Chicago: 2-3 hours (depending on the neighborhood) St Louis: 3 hours from downtown Indianapolis: 4 hours Iowa City: 2.5 hours Madison: 3 hours I have cross-posted to three different lists which i feel may be interested in this show: Analogue Heaven, Loopers' Delight, and the Yahoo Tangerine Dream group. if you feel other people may be interested, feel free to forward this posting and my email address to them. if you are unfamiliar with Robert Rich, his website is http://robertrich.com/ ... he's an excellent ambient musician who incorporates a wide variety of textural composition and performance techniques (modular synthesis, handmade flutes, lap steel, looping, sequencing, and microtonality come to mind), and i feel he has a definite mastery of the genre. thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 16:31:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68KSSA22844; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:28:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:28:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030708202826.61266.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <08fb01c34589$c3886d80$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <__NcEB.A.zkF.slyC_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Sanders wrote: > I think it's clear already, I just think there's some disconnect between my > thinking and other's explanation. I actually was able to program a preset to > send a signal to my SPD-S to turn off the sounds, and I got that working. If you've gotten that far, you've got it. > In reality, if I press button 1, it's going to fire off preset 1, which will > send all messages programmed to be sent for preset 1. > > If I want to have *button 1* send a single CC message, I have to program > preset 1 to disable all other buttons except for one of the CC buttons > (switch number 6 or 7 IIRC). Exactly! You fill in the parts of the data structure that you need, and clear out the rest. > But, for a little over $100, I guess one can't complain. That's precisely what I thought too. For the "next up" controller (which appears to have a programming interface that's at least as convoluted as this one), I could buy 2-3 FCB1010s. I can live with it's quirks. It does what I need. > Does this now sound like I have the right idea? Yep! Now...when you get your Repeater, remember that you have to offset the PC numbers in the Repeater's manual by one because the FCB uses a different starting number (one uses zero, the other uses one, I don't remember which is which right offhand). It's apparnetly a common thing between MIDI implementations. The pecular exception seems to be the PC for "Play", I don't know why. CC numbers remain the same. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 16:31:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68KRxh22756; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030708202758.52579.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <08fb01c34589$c3886d80$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Sanders wrote: > I think it's clear already, I just think there's some disconnect between my > thinking and other's explanation. I actually was able to program a preset to > send a signal to my SPD-S to turn off the sounds, and I got that working. If you've gotten that far, you've got it. > In reality, if I press button 1, it's going to fire off preset 1, which will > send all messages programmed to be sent for preset 1. > > If I want to have *button 1* send a single CC message, I have to program > preset 1 to disable all other buttons except for one of the CC buttons > (switch number 6 or 7 IIRC). Exactly! You fill in the parts of the data structure that you need, and clear out the rest. > But, for a little over $100, I guess one can't complain. That's precisely what I thought too. For the "next up" controller (which appears to have a programming interface that's at least as convoluted as this one), I could buy 2-3 FCB1010s. I can live with it's quirks. It does what I need. > Does this now sound like I have the right idea? Yep! Now...when you get your Repeater, remember that you have to offset the PC numbers in the Repeater's manual by one because the FCB uses a different starting number (one uses zero, the other uses one, I don't remember which is which right offhand). It's apparnetly a common thing between MIDI implementations. The pecular exception seems to be the PC for "Play", I don't know why. CC numbers remain the same. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 16:46:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68KfoK24909; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:41:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:41:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line 6 Filter Pro Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:41:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 20:41:43.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[57A10250:01C34591] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LD, has anyone been loopy with the Line 6 Filter Pro rackmount deal? I am interested because of the time sync as well as the ZVEX and Electrix Filter Factory presets. I want something that sounds good but doesn't take up space like the Electrix. Any suggestions? peace -matt wiley _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 17:18:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68LEsp30025; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:14:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:14:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0a3301c3462c$503fce10$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030708180731.61519.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:10:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "If you have a Behringer product to control with it... Otherwise you have to clear out any of their pre-programming, or it'll likely make your device do something weird and unexpected." exactly. i was being sarcastic about thanking behringer... "I'm not sure what you mean, Jim. Each preset can send two fixed CC msgs with values, in addition to setting the expression pedals to send continuous cc values. Now, each preset can only send two CC fixed values, and the midi channel for each cc "slot" is globally assigned, limiting it's flexability when controlling multiple devices, so it might not be the best for everyone's rig. It works great with a single repeater though." that's the problem...the cc's are fixed. i have to use notes with my edp because there are two other midi devices connected. now the only problem is turning the notes off with the beatbox...right now, i'm getting a snare hit everytime i hit "record" and a tom every time i multiply. not cool at all. "Nothing else in that price range even comes close to the functionality this thing has, they're all unprogrammable, flimsy, and extremely limited." right-o...but i would consider the fcb limited as well, but for the money it's a great device and you're right about nothing in the price range even coming close. it's still a pain to program (the manual sucks and it comes pre-programmed, which is just extra work) and has a few limitations that really get in the way, for me at least. nonetheless, i'm keeping mine. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 17:30:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68LQ3N31478; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030708212601.75244.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a3301c3462c$503fce10$72a44a43@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jimfowler wrote: > "I'm not sure what you mean, Jim. Each preset can send two fixed CC msgs > with values, in addition to setting the expression pedals to send continuous > cc > values. Now, each preset can only send two CC fixed values, and the midi > channel for each cc "slot" is globally assigned, limiting it's flexability > when > controlling multiple devices, so it might not be the best for everyone's > rig. It works great with a single repeater though." > > that's the problem...the cc's are fixed. i have to use notes with my edp > because there are two other midi devices connected. now the only problem is > turning the notes off with the beatbox...right now, i'm getting a snare hit > everytime i hit "record" and a tom every time i multiply. not cool at all. Yeah, I understand now. It seems to me that the FCB does best when it only has one device to control. Can you change the MIDI channel of your beatbox to keep those note-on msgs from triggering it? > right-o...but i would consider the fcb limited as well, but for the money > it's a great device and you're right about nothing in the price range even > coming close. it's still a pain to program (the manual sucks and it comes > pre-programmed, which is just extra work) and has a few limitations that > really get in the way, for me at least. nonetheless, i'm keeping mine. Same here. In fact, if I got more devices that needed midi control, I'd probably consider getting a 2nd one instead of replacing it with a bigger/better unit that would easily control both together. To me, the programming is pretty easy. Took a little while to understand it's paradigm, but once you get past that, it's straightforward. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 17:46:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68LgfQ01278; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:42:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:43:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c3459a$0140a600$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0a3301c3462c$503fce10$72a44a43@g0wn7> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > that's the problem...the cc's are fixed. i have to use > notes with my edp because there are two other midi devices connected. Well...(impending shameless promotion)...depending on what you need to do, with EDPDA you can control your EDP with Program Change commands instead of either CC or Note commands. For your situation, I'd set-up the EDP for CC control, then use EDPDA to map PC commands to whatever EDP functions you want to control. Then you can use the FCB's Note commands to control something else than your EDP by using FCB's generated PC commands to control the EDP. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 18:15:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68MEBX04651; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:14:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:14:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <3EF9FD38.167D@earthlink.net> <005601c34544$35389860$63e35cd1@billfox> Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:14:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 22:14:05.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E723FD0:01C3459E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Nonetheless, the GI-20 tracks as well or better than any other > pitch-to-midi device I've tried. It follows bends and slides nicely. > From the few days experience I have with it, I'm estimating it > outputs a midi note after about 3 cycles. For the lowest note on my > bass, that's 40 milliseconds which is an awfully long time to wait What gauge strings are you using? I would hazard a guess that thinner strings, with a higher content of upper harmonics might make for a faster attack. Chapman sticks, with much lighter strings than the equivalent bass guitar, tend to have excellent midi response. I've played touchstyle instruments that didn't glitch however I played - very satisfying. I wish I could afford one... bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stahl" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. > Hi, > > Sorry to say the laws of physics haven't changed all that much yet. I > think that has something to do with why the V-Bass didn't have a > built-in MIDI out and appears to track so much better-- the attacks > (at least) are derived from signal processing instead of pitch > detection/resynthesis. > > Nonetheless, the GI-20 tracks as well or better than any other > pitch-to-midi device I've tried. It follows bends and slides nicely. > From the few days experience I have with it, I'm estimating it > outputs a midi note after about 3 cycles. For the lowest note on my > bass, that's 40 milliseconds which is an awfully long time to wait > :-) But that's to be expected, and I am not even trying to use it for > rhythmic attacks, but rather to trigger textural sounds that layer in > with processed pickup signals. > > Yes, it requires a GK-compatible pickup with the lovely little 13-pin > DIN connectors. I took apart a GK-2B and rebuilt it to fit the string > spacing on my upright, and it works great for pizz but not arco (it's > a magnetic coil so no wonder), and I'm building a GK splitter/router > box now. I'm hoping to try a Lightwave optical pickup soon. > > -Alex S. > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alex Stahl" > >> I like the "made in real-time" distinction somewhat more than the > >> "bass only" constraint, partially because I just got a new Roland > >> GI-20 pitch-to-midi converter and am having fun layering Korg Z1 > >> sounds over the bass and might want to feel free to use that. > > > >Hi Alex, > > > >How do you like the GI-20? (I assume it requires a GK-2B pickup?) I have an > >old GM-70/GK-1 that is slow to track lower notes on my guitar due to > >the physics > >of lower pitches having longer wavelengths. Has the software algorithms > >improved to the point where the GI-20 can actually track well on a bass? > > > >Cheers, > > > >Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 20:00:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h68NwE418637; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:58:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:58:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0a8501c34643$6d0e4230$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030708212601.75244.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:56:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Can you change the MIDI channel of your beatbox to keep those note-on msgs from triggering it?" haven't looked into it just yet, but i the fcb controls the edp, which in turn controls the drum machine. unless the edp can send midi clock on a seperate channel (or if it's global), i think i'm stuck. i should be able to limit the incoming midi at the drum machine. "In fact, if I got more devices that needed midi control, I'd probably consider getting a 2nd one instead of replacing it with a bigger/better unit that would easily control both together." if you ever do decide to go bigger/better, the all access is tops in my book. "To me, the programming is pretty easy. Took a little while to understand it's paradigm, but once you get past that, it's straightforward." yep, once you get the hang of things...but having programmed too many devices to list, i'd have to say that the fcb and my old roland jv-1080 were the most difficult to program...terrible interfaces and even worse manuals. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 20:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6908sw19970; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:08:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c345ae$457f42e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20030708212601.75244.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <0a8501c34643$6d0e4230$72a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:08:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim: > haven't looked into it just yet, but i the fcb controls the edp, which in > turn controls the drum machine. unless the edp can send midi clock on a > seperate channel (or if it's global), i think i'm stuck. i should be able > to limit the incoming midi at the drum machine. MIDI Clock is global. You're not stuck! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 8 22:15:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h692DVx04731; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0a9301c34656$40927e20$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030708212601.75244.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <0a8501c34643$6d0e4230$72a44a43@g0wn7> <005601c345ae$457f42e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 21:11:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "MIDI Clock is global. You're not stuck!" rad! thanks...i'm off to check/change it right now! -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 01:18:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h695FIY30904; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:15:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rogers" To: Subject: In search of Jim Mahoney... Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:15:15 -0700 Message-ID: <004001c345d9$193cf170$6601a8c0@sam1m9b7l1ql9f> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3459E.6CDE1970" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3459E.6CDE1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm new to the loopers-delight list, but I've been searching through the archives soaking up all I can for the past few weeks. There's some great stuff in here! Thanks to all that keep this community alive and well! 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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3459E.6CDE1970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 01:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h695EVn30791; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030708232120.007b33f0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:21:20 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: it's me again... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, it's me again, -just as blonde, egotistical and loopy as ever! I thought y'all might have missed me, so I thought I'd come back and bother ya a little. lol! -Hope everyone's doing well. -Just reading through some of the msgs I missed. Talk with ya soon, have a great evening!... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 01:34:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h695QxA00734; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:26:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rogers" To: Subject: In search of Jim Mahoney... Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: <004501c345da$bb837ed0$6601a8c0@sam1m9b7l1ql9f> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm new to the loopers-delight list, but I've been searching through the archives soaking up all I can for the past few weeks. There's some great stuff in here! Thanks to all that keep this community alive and well! I also wanted to ask if anybody knows anything more about Jim Mahoney (last mentioned on post http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199906/msg00349.html). Apparently a few years ago he was doing a solo vocal show with an EDP? I am solo vocal act working without one for the moment, but I'm about to make the leap. I'd love to learn about what others have done before. Can anybody direct me to any CDs, samples, or contact info that I might find useful (for Jim or other looping vocalists in general)? Thanks! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 01:59:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h695nSI03710; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:49:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030708235617.007a8ad0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:56:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Programming FCB1010 WAS: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? In-Reply-To: <08f301c34585$f073be70$0600a8c0@money2> References: <20030708175958.99652.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul, the mode you come up in is normal mode. Here, you can press a pedal to call up a preset. If you want to program it, you hold down the down pedal for three secs. or so, you'll then be in programming mode. When in programming mode, the first thing you'll program is whether or not you want either of the jacks in the fcb to send a pulse for the preset you're programming. You do this by lighting or dimming the leds on either of the first two pedals, by pressing either of them to toggle your choice. When you've set that, simply press the up pedal which will enter that selection, and take you to the next level. Here, you now have the selections of pc, cc, or note messages to enable or disable, or assign. By pressing each pedal to toggle it's led, you either enable or disable it in the preset. If you decide you want two pc msgs to be sent in your preset, you simply light both leds of two of those pedals on the lower row. Does this make sense so far? OK, so let's say you want to now assign a value to one of those msgs, which will be sent to your Repeater when you press the pedal of the preset you're programming. Remember, you have two pc pedals lit now. So, you now hold down one of those, and it's led will blink. Now, press the up pedal, and you'll be taken to the next level. here, you'll assign a number for that pc msg. You do that by simply using the pedals to type it in. Once you do, press the up pedal again, and you'll now be right back where you just were. One of the values will now be set, so you'll now need to hold down the other pc pedal to make it's led blink. Once you do, again, press up pedal. type in the number you want, and press up again. If that's the only two messages you want the fcb to send when you press the pedal for your preset, then make sure all the other leds above the pedals other than those two you want are dark, and then finally, hold down the down pedal for three secs. or so to leave programming mode and return to normal mode. Now, when you press the pedal of the preset you just programmed, two midi msgs will be sent, they will be two pc msgs, with the number values you just set. -one for each msg. Does this make sense? I hope this helps. Have a wonderful evening... Smiles, Cara At 03:20 PM 7/8/03 -0400, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg House" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:59 PM >Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? > > >> --- Paul Sanders wrote: >> . >> >> > The Behringer appears to be set where all the buttons represent certain >> > types of midi messages. In other words, you can't program button 1 to do >a >> > control change message, it's fixed at program change. >> >> In PROGRAMMING MODE, button 1 selects the first PC in the set. The FCB1010 >has >> two modes, normal mode, which sends whatever is programmed in the preset >when you >> step on the switch to select it, and programming mode, where you define >what's in >> the preset. Each preset is comprised of a "package", a fixed group of >PC/CC/and >> note MIDI functions to be sent together when it's selected (and you can >also make >> assignments for the 2 CC pedals and the operation of the switching jacks). >Think >> of a preset as a container with 10 little slots in it. You can either put >> something in each of the slots or not, but the slots are always there >whether you >> use 'em or not. > >I've discovered most of what you say here by futzing with it for a while >yesterday and last night. > >What I'm still foggy on is how to switch between "NORMAL mode" and >"PROGRAMMING mode". > >When I power the thing up (without holding the "Down" button) I'm in normal >mode, right? Is programming mode the mode when I hold down the "Down" button >after selecting a preset? > >Are you suggesting that I run the unit in this mode? I was under the >impression it's just for programming the presets. Here's what I've been >doing with it... > > >Now, I've set the thing in the mode where I program the presets by holding >down the "Down" botton for 2-3 seconds, but my understanding is that is how >I get to where I can set the balues of the PC/CC/etc for the preset itself. >Once I leave that mode, if I step on a button I'm back to selecting that >preset within that bank, and that's not what I set out to do. > >I figure I can have different presets set up to put the Repeater in >different states, but that seems obscure to me. > >I want to step on a button to tell it to play, another button to tell it to >record, and another button to tell it to mute track 2, etc. When I power the >thing up though, when I step on a button, I'm selecting a preset, not >sending just that single control message, unless of course I have the preset >set up to send only that single control message, which seems wasteful to me. >Is that how I have to do it though? > >I'm getting closer, but there's still something I'm missing. I've been >digging through the fcb1010 archives too. Seems there are a lot of "helpful" >perspectives, but none that are yet clearing things up for me. > > >> >> The package of midi cmds in a preset looks like this: >> >> PC#1/PC#2/PC#3/PC#4/PC#5/CC#1/CC#2/Assignment for EXP 1 & 2/Note >> >> It's preprogrammed by Behringer to control one of their amps & a Vamp, >depending >> on what bank you select, so for example, a preset might do something like: >> >> PC=31/PC=48/blank/blank/blank/blank/blank/EXP1=CC10/EXP2=CC11/blank >> >> To reprogram this, you'd go into programming mode, select pedal 1 for >PC#1, >> change the PC value it's going to send, confirm that, select pedal 2 for >PC#2, >> change it's value, confirm that, etc etc, then save the changes. It's >really not >> difficult. >> >> What appears to be confusing is that the manual doesn't explain how or why >it >> works, it just gives a couple of "cookbook style" examples. Press this, >press >> that, press the other, long press, short press, look for this light, etc. >Go >> through the examples! Once you've done this a time or two, it'll be clear >to you. >> >> Also, look through the list archives at loopers-delight.com, and through >the >> Yahoogroup repeater-users for very specific information about how to >program it >> for use with a Repeater. This has been discussed extensively in the past. >> >> > I may just be confused, but I spent the afternoon sorting through this. >> > Am I off base here? >> >> Yes. The way the manual is written, you will probably never understand it >until >> you DO it. >> >> > What controllers would you all recommend? >> >> I thing the FCB1010 is an excellent midi foot controller for use with the >> Repeater. Like I say, I've been -very happy- with mine. >> >> Greg >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >> >> > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 02:17:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h696Exi06654; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:14:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:14:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:14:51 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: it's me again... In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20030708232120.007b33f0@pop.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome back LOL Hope you're having a super time! Loop on! lol Ya hear!? have a great everything! Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 10:21 PM, Goddess wrote: > Hi All, it's me again, -just as blonde, egotistical and loopy as > ever! > I thought y'all might have missed me, so I thought I'd come > back > and bother ya a little. lol! -Hope everyone's doing well. > -Just reading through some of the msgs I missed. Talk with ya soon, > have a > great evening!... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 02:22:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h696ExN06680; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:14:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:14:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:09:00 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Re: Grooveboxes In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second the recommendation. I just got the Beat Garden ROM today. It's selling at zzounds for $150. Worth twice the price (which is close to it's normal selling price). Best cymbals I've ever heard on a machine. Maybe the best drums *ever*. I'm seriously loving this box. Sure, it doesn't sample, but I could care less. The wealth of ROM libraries is incredible. My wife said, "Wow, these sounds are a lot warmer than the 307." It's true. I think what turned me off was the bad techno beats it comes with. The on line stuff is truly horrible IMO. Once you dig past that crap you've got an amazing tool. It's UI leaves a bit to be desired, and it's got a steeper learning curve than the Roland and Korg stuff, but the manual is pretty good. If you don't like reading manuals, get something else. If you've got some time to spend, this is the box. The flexibility and sounds are worth the time. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 08:54 AM, sserendipity wrote: > > Eventually yes, though they usually delay release for a while after > the new > unit comes out. Until then you'ld have to remain 'satisfied' with the > Xl-7 > sounds. May I also recomend the beat garden Rom, for more organic > drums? > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the > vocals > sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. > It's > not for me." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Wiley" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: Grooveboxes > > >> Mark, >> >> so then it would be possible to grab an XL-7 pretty cheap as mentioned >> before and just add the new drum sound ROM? >> >> peace >> -matt >> >>> From: mark >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Grooveboxes >>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:51:36 -0700 >>> >>> Just what's on their website. Looks like all the other Command >>> Stations >>> without the bright colors and a different ROM. >>> >>> My guess is they'll be selling the rom to people who want to add it >>> to >>> their older Command Stations too. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: >>> >>>> Mark, >>>> >>>> the one i was asking about is the px-7 command station. do you know >>>> what's up with it? is it just an upgrade, it says new drum >>>> soundset. >>>> >>>> peace >>>> -matt >>>> >>>>> From: mark >>>>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Grooveboxes >>>>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:49:42 -0700 >>>>> >>>>> Check out the archives from all last few weeks. We've been talking > about >>>>> them extensively. It's often referred to as the XL-7 (its model > number) >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Matthew Wiley wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hey, >>>>>> >>>>>> is the EMU command station something that anyone on the list has >>>>>> much >>>>>> history with? is the unit good for beat making like the Akai MPC > 2000? >>>>>> is it MIDI syncable to the EDP? >>>>>> >>>>>> peace, >>>>>> -matt >>>>>> >>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >>>>>> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 04:31:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h698TLR15282; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 04:29:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 04:29:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <186.1c860593.2c3d2c56@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 04:29:10 EDT Subject: Re: Line 6 filter pro review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 09/07/03 06:18:59 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > has anyone been loopy with the Line 6 Filter Pro rackmount deal? I am > interested because of the time sync as well as the ZVEX and Electrix Filter > Factory presets. I want something that sounds good but doesn't take up > space like the Electrix. Any suggestions? > Click here: Line 6 filter pro review yes that's right! it's worth checking the LD archives andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 04:38:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h698aMI15743; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 04:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 04:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <26.3c0c6cc0.2c3d2dfb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 04:36:11 EDT Subject: Re: Michaels HUM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Michael Gosh, that's a lot of hum. I can get rid of most of it with Cool Edit Pro 2. ...but there's a few artifacts. Somewhat underwater sounding! ...however there's artifacts in the mp3 you posted anyway (mp3 compression) so could get better results treating the original .wav The results are never going to be great with that much noise, but to create something listenable is possible. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 09:26:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69DKht01327; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:20:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0a2601c3461d$b7c2d1e0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <20030708212601.75244.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <0a8501c34643$6d0e4230$72a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:26:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <9YtB3.A.nU.qaBD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > yep, once you get the hang of things...but having programmed too many > devices to list, i'd have to say that the fcb and my old roland jv-1080 were > the most difficult to program...terrible interfaces and even worse manuals. Yeah. My Roland SPD-S manual really blows. It doesn't saw squat about what can and can't be controlled via midi, at least not in any human understandable format! The other thing that irritates the hell out of me about Roland is they don't make the manuals available online. Makes researching capabilities kindof difficult! Paul > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 09:29:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69DS4802056; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030708232120.007b33f0@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20030708232120.007b33f0@pop.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:27:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: it's me again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi All, it's me again, -just as blonde, egotistical and loopy as ever! > I thought y'all might have missed me, so I thought I'd come back >and bother ya a little. lol! -Hope everyone's doing well. >-Just reading through some of the msgs I missed. Talk with ya soon, have a >great evening!... yaaay! we knew you had to repeat after a nice delay... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/calendar .................................. the calendar. http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 10:06:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69E4i706460; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:04:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:04:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:04:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Line 6 Filter Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matt-i don't know about the line 6 filter pro (i'm sure it's good!), and i looked into the electrix products (filter factory and filter queen), but never got one, so i opted for an alesis ineko. it's decent for "dj" type effects and has some filter options that my guitar processors don't have. i got mine for 50$ off ebay (my last ebay purchase), but the catch is that it needs to use the alesis wallwart for power, the radio shack one's don't work w/ it. but it is SMALL, and sounds decent. i used it on my last cd project (unPLAYable) and got some fun sounds out of it. the bummer thing on mine, is the row that has delay effects don't work (like i said, my last ebay purchase), so i will probably take that in to get it fixed one of these days. but it has a nice range of dj/filter/lo-fi sounds. but note: no TIME SYNC on it. it's just a small effects box that's easy to use. if you need time sync, i'm not sure what your options are. i've also heard a few people say good things about the korg kaoss box, and it's pretty small, but it costs more than the ineko. musiciansfriend.com just lowered the ineko price to 79.99$. my 2 cents.... s--- ps-i remember seeing on harmony-central.com a few days ago that someone was selling a sherman filterbank (ver 1) for like 400$. if you want some incredible filter sounds, that's the route to go, based on the samples i've heard from their website. >LD, >has anyone been loopy with the Line 6 Filter Pro rackmount deal? I >am interested because of the time sync as well as the ZVEX and >Electrix Filter Factory presets. I want something that sounds good >but doesn't take up space like the Electrix. Any suggestions? >peace-matt wiley -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 10:52:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69EdfT10570; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:39:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:39:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:39:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Line 6 Filter Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2B371DD8-B21B-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 07:04 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > the bummer thing on mine, is the row that has delay effects don't > work (like i said, my last ebay purchase), If it wasn't like it was advertised to be, you should make the person take it back. If they won't give them bad feedback. I've yet to have a really bad ebay experience. > i've also heard a few people say good things about the korg kaoss box, > and it's > pretty small, but it costs more than the ineko. I got mine for $250 and I love it. I guess that's more than double the Ineko, but it's worth is for the touch pad and BPM synced effects. Will sync to a MIDI clock too, though I seem to have to tell it to do that every time I start it. I guess no long term memory on that box. > ps-i remember seeing on harmony-central.com a few days ago that > someone was selling a sherman filterbank (ver 1) for like 400$. if you > want some incredible filter sounds, that's the route to go, based on > the samples i've heard from their website. Check out the Lexicon MPX1. It's not the best for filter sounds, but it's pretty good and has a huge variety of effects. Excepts tap tempo and MIDI clock for sync. Really great box. I'd buy another if I had the cash. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 11:35:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69FVI414729; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:31:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:19:54 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance with the Lothars, Somerville MA 7.12.03 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, electrons@cardhouse.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, This band is excellent, and I'm looking forward to joining them for this event, THE LOTHARS RETURN TO THE SOMERVILLE COMMUNITY GROWING CENTER This Saturday, The Lothars will be performing outdoors at the Somerville Community Growing Center. Joining the theremin-based outfit will be video improvisor Emile Tobenfeld, a.k.a. "Dr. T." This event is free. The show starts at around 8pm, with the video joining in at around 9pm (when it should be dark enough). Due to the local noise ordinance, the show must end by 10pm, so you'll have plenty of time to see The Lothars and still make it to that other show or party you wanted to attend! If you can, get to the Growing Center at 6pm and watch the Boston Dahn, a Korean Taoist group, perform "Arirang" (Joy of Finding Self), a Korean folk song. The song will be interpreted and presented in many different ways through movement, meditation and music, combining elements of Tai Chi, energy dance, voice and instrument. The Lothars performed once before at The Growing Center, back in 1998. It took five years, but we were finally invited back. We figure that, with the real estate boom, the neighborhood has turned over enough so that none of the residents remember our last performance there. THE SOMERVILLE COMMUNITY GROWING CENTER is at 22 Vinal Avenue in Somerville, MA (Near Union Square off Summer Street). The Growing Center is a 1/4 acre environmental education and cultural center. Initiated in 1994, it is a model for urban land use and collaboration between city government and local non-profit agencies. This urban oasis wa designed and built by the community and is maintained by volunteers. The Center provides a hands-on learning environment for local youth to learn about the natural world, science, community service and cultural issues. A volunteer group coordinates a full summer season of concerts and other events that are free to the public. [ http://www.thegrowingcenter.org ] THE LOTHARS are a theremin-based improvisational ensemble which includes violin, hammered dulcimer, log drum, breath-controlled synthesizer, prerecorded samples, and at least two theremins (a word not often seen in its plural form). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 11:58:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69FuGN17101; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:56:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:56:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:56:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: sample & play/phrase trainers on multi-effects processors? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the other day while waiting for someone to arrive, i hauled my amp into the living room and got out my digitech rp100 and played a bit w/ a "scaled down rig" (i didn't want to haul out the 4 space rack that has my IPS 33 on top.... played around a bit w/ the 2 sec delay- max time on the rp100 and found it kind of fun (AND SIMPLE!). so i've been looking into some of the other multi-effects boxes that have (longer) delay options or sample & play or phrase trainers, mainly the korg ax100 & ax1000. has anyone had any luck using the phrase samplers in these? just curious, was looking for "scaled down options" s--- ps-i already tried the zoom 2100 a yr ago, great idea,but the plastic buttons didn't work on my used model... -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 12:06:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69G3pv17809; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:03:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:03:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1057766560!127315 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB203@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: adrenalinn & stuff Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:00:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34633.3EDA5BC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34633.3EDA5BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" chaps- been away for a few days and missed a few posts. for those of you interested in contributing to the bassloops compilation, yes I am still happy to do the compilation-mastering and I even have some ideas for the artwork, aswell as the wherewithal to produce same and get the whole shebang packaged and manufactured. as far as duration and delivery mechanism- how long of a piece you submit would depend to some degree on how many folks want to be a part of this, though I'd suggest something around 8 minutes as the absolute maximum. I can deal with most formats, but cd-r is probably easy for the majority. the sequencing of the album is a tricky bit... would we be placed alphabetically? in order of age? open to suggestions. now then. does anybody else have an adrenalinn? mine, with which I'm otherwise very happy, has developed a fault wherein it will not store edited presets. it used to.... and now it doesn't. I can edit presets, both factory and user, but when I store them to a user-location and switch away, I discover that the user preset has reverted to whatever was in there before. the thing beeps through it's main-output when a store operation has happened, and it still does that, but the store operation obviously isn't happening. I have tried an init, which just overwrites the user memories with the corresponding factory presets, and this didn't take, either. so I'm stuck with a handful of my presets I made when it was still working properly. I just wanted to see if anyone on the list had encountered this- I shall be writing to roger in a couple of days. duncan (based in london, for those of you poised with cds and jiffy-bags; mail me off-list for an address) *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34633.3EDA5BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: adrenalinn & stuff

chaps-
been away for a few days and missed a few posts. for tho= se of you interested in contributing to the bassloops compilation, yes I am= still happy to do the compilation-mastering and I even have some ideas for= the artwork, aswell as the wherewithal to produce same and get the whole s= hebang packaged and manufactured.

as far as duration and delivery mechanism- how long of a = piece you submit would depend to some degree on how many folks want to be a= part of this, though I'd suggest something around 8 minutes as the absolut= e maximum. I can deal with most formats, but cd-r is probably easy for the = majority. the sequencing of the album is a tricky bit... would we be placed= alphabetically? in order of age? open to suggestions.

now then. does anybody else have an adrenalinn? mine, wit= h which I'm otherwise very happy, has developed a fault wherein it will not= store edited presets. it used to.... and now it doesn't.

I can edit presets, both factory and user, but when I sto= re them to a user-location and switch away, I discover that the user preset= has reverted to whatever was in there before. the thing beeps through it's= main-output when a store operation has happened, and it still does that, b= ut the store operation obviously isn't happening.

I have tried an init, which just overwrites the user memo= ries with the corresponding factory presets, and this didn't take, either. = so I'm stuck with a handful of my presets I made when it was still working = properly.

I just wanted to see if anyone on the list had encountere= d this- I shall be writing to roger in a couple of days.

duncan
(based in london, for those of you poised with cds and j= iffy-bags; mail me off-list for an address)




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C34633.3EDA5BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 12:09:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69G7XR18182; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:07:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:07:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030709160731.48134.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a2601c3461d$b7c2d1e0$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Sanders wrote: > Yeah. My Roland SPD-S manual really blows. Haha! It's a ROLAND manual! They're notoriously bad. I haven't seen a recent one, but the old ones were so poorly translated that it was hilarious to try and read them. You'd think a company with that much resources could afford to hire at least one person who was FLUENT in the languages involved (at least in the primary world languages). > The other thing that irritates the hell out of me about Roland is they don't > make the manuals available online. Makes researching capabilities kindof > difficult! Yes, that's bothered me too. I think it's because they want to charge you a lot for replacement print copies. Something like $20 for a little thin manual last time I checked. I love companies like Line 6 that put all their docs online (and updates as well). Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 12:17:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69GC3f18599; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:12:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030709161201.68281.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a8501c34643$6d0e4230$72a44a43@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jimfowler wrote: > "Can you change the MIDI channel of your beatbox to keep those note-on msgs > from triggering it?" > > haven't looked into it just yet, but i the fcb controls the edp, which in > turn controls the drum machine. unless the edp can send midi clock on a > seperate channel (or if it's global), i think i'm stuck. i should be able > to limit the incoming midi at the drum machine. No, as someone else said, the midi clock is global (all channels). Only the commands (program change, controller, note) are channel specific. That should be a way to fix you problem. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 12:30:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69GQXY19960; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:26:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:26:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers--was re:MIDI Foot controllers? Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <20030709160731.48134.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Disposition-Notification-To: "Will Brake" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, after a few years off, I'm back. LOL If you think about it, all the talk about manuals makes sense. Most companies are producing their technical writing on computers, so it isn't a hassle to convert to a PDF and upload to a website. To convert a manual, on the other hand, takes hours and people. Additionally, bandwidth costs money. Imagine how much money it would cost Roland to have all the 'legacy' product manuals online! Personally, I'd rather pay less for the products! We're currently working on a compact mixer, one or two rack spaces, designing with the looping community in mind. Obviously running MOST FX in parallel is preferred and we are taking this into consideration. I have a few questions for the group: First, in a perfect world, what would you fantasy mixer be able to do? (please keep your lewd thoughts and comments to yourself) Second, in the real world, what would you be willing to pay for such a mixer? We have concerns about quality/reliability and prefer to use the best components rather than make an inferior product. I know the looping community is growing, but is still a smaller portion of the market. As such, developing a product for said market can be expensive, but we are committed to the task. Please keep this in mind when you consider what you would pay for a 'dream mixer'. We'll have a naming contest in the future, probably long after we hammer out the features contained in the mixer. This should be fun!! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? --- Paul Sanders wrote: > Yeah. My Roland SPD-S manual really blows. Haha! It's a ROLAND manual! They're notoriously bad. I haven't seen a recent one, but the old ones were so poorly translated that it was hilarious to try and read them. You'd think a company with that much resources could afford to hire at least one person who was FLUENT in the languages involved (at least in the primary world languages). > The other thing that irritates the hell out of me about Roland is they don't > make the manuals available online. Makes researching capabilities kindof > difficult! Yes, that's bothered me too. I think it's because they want to charge you a lot for replacement print copies. Something like $20 for a little thin manual last time I checked. I love companies like Line 6 that put all their docs online (and updates as well). Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 12:49:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69GkhD22142; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:46:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:46:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c34639$a0e10ed0$6601010a@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:46:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Will! (and everyone else!) Great question. As I'm in the market for one, I'll bite. First off, a bit of context -- I'm looping using Ableton Live as a sequencer/looper, Propellerheads Reason for synths, and assorted objects, instruments and humans for other sounds. I've got 4-in and 4-out to my laptop (2x stereo, essentially), so I'm mixing all of my inputs down before sending them into the loop chain using a small tabletop mixer, and returning a monitor out and master out using the four outs on my computer's audio interface. The biggest drawback (so far), is that the send on the mixer I'm using is mono, so any stereo inputs are being monofied on their way into the loop chain. Other than that, it works pretty well. Given that, here's my wish list: - keep it small -- one rack space would be great; - stereo aux/sends, x2 if possible; - 2x stereo out, for dedicating monitor (click/metronome/preview) and master outs - pushbotton reassigning of inputs to master/monitor/sends -- this would be great for "punching in" myself and others into the loop chain on the fly. The biggest challenge now in playing with others is isolating signals going into the loop chain -- running over to the board and turning up a given send knob isn't always practical (footswitch, perhaps?). The thought of running everything through a spaghetti bowl of ABY boxes makes me cringe... - put the input jacks on the face, not the back panel, for easy replugging; - at least 8 (4x stereo) inputs -- 12 or 16 would be nice :-) - per-channel EQ would be nice, but not absolutely necessary, since most sounds will be otherwise massaged along the chain; - can I have it tomorrow? ;-) So, it basically sounds like I'm describing a simple rack-mounted line mixer. It looks like Behringer just introduced one of these: http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=RX1602&lang=eng (available 8/1/03), but I've heard some not-nice stories about the build quality of their units -- anyone care to share? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Brake" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:26 AM Subject: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers--was re:MIDI Foot controllers? > Hello all, after a few years off, I'm back. LOL > > If you think about it, all the talk about manuals makes sense. Most > companies are producing their technical writing on computers, so it > isn't a hassle to convert to a PDF and upload to a website. To convert a > manual, on the other hand, takes hours and people. Additionally, > bandwidth costs money. Imagine how much money it would cost Roland to > have all the 'legacy' product manuals online! Personally, I'd rather pay > less for the products! > > We're currently working on a compact mixer, one or two rack spaces, > designing with the looping community in mind. Obviously running MOST FX > in parallel is preferred and we are taking this into consideration. I > have a few questions for the group: > > First, in a perfect world, what would you fantasy mixer be able to do? > (please keep your lewd thoughts and comments to yourself) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 12:58:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69Gst522945; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:54:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c3463a$c6a3d8e0$6601010a@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:54:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PS -- If anyone's looking to unload a Little Infinite Frequency Expander, please e-mail me off-list -- I think I'm going to grow old waiting for L.I.F.E. II to be released... ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 13:17:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69HFF224640; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F0C4E36.F1F7E4C@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:17:42 -0400 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: L.I.F.E. Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers References: <001e01c3463a$c6a3d8e0$6601010a@BARNEY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-O2ymB.A.3AG.j2ED_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gene Ehrbar wrote: > PS -- If anyone's looking to unload a Little Infinite Frequency Expander, > please e-mail me off-list -- I think I'm going to grow old waiting for > L.I.F.E. II to be released... ;-) Hey! I didn't know anyone else knew about this instrument! I heard from Grant (the creator of L.I.F.E) a few months ago and he's still "working" on it so no news. I am still selling my L.I.F.E. album however which a number of people have purchased. It is 100% L.I.F.E. and a DL4 delay. *nothing* else save a slight amount of reverb here and there. 16 tracks, over one hour of L.I.F.E sounds. And yes, if I am credited in any song, MP3, or release with a link to HWP you have my permission to sample it. Since L.I.F.E. hasn't been available for years, people seem to think this is the next best thing to get the sounds (although obviously not the interface). http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/catalog.htm David Talento - The L.I.F.E. Album- $10.00 Solo recording done using the Little Infinite Frequency Expander created by Technomage studios in the UK. "The L.I.F.E. Album" is an hour long excursion into this instrument and it's magical properties minimally recored using only the L.I.F.E. and a single delay unit. Ordering info is on the catalog page. I used to have MP3s up and Mp3.com but bugger them they changed their system and deleted them. I'll have more up on my samples page this month. If you're randy and want to hear something ASAP, email me and i'll see what I can do If you're curious what we're talking about, check out L.I.F.E. here: http://www.technomage.freeserve.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 13:23:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69HM4G25183; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 04:20:10 -0800 Subject: adrenalinn storage problem Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-989753131 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB203@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <79FC9BC6-1E39-11B2-9CCC-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-989753131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Duncan- Forgive me if this is an obvious one, but is there any sort of "write protection" on this unit that was perhaps accidently turned on? Mark On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 09:00 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > chaps- > been away for a few days and missed a few posts. for those of you > interested in contributing to the bassloops compilation, yes I am still > happy to do the compilation-mastering and I even have some ideas for > the artwork, aswell as the wherewithal to produce same and get the > whole shebang packaged and manufactured. > > as far as duration and delivery mechanism- how long of a piece you > submit would depend to some degree on how many folks want to be a part > of this, though I'd suggest something around 8 minutes as the absolute > maximum. I can deal with most formats, but cd-r is probably easy for > the majority. the sequencing of the album is a tricky bit... would we > be placed alphabetically? in order of age? open to suggestions. > > now then. does anybody else have an adrenalinn? mine, with which I'm > otherwise very happy, has developed a fault wherein it will not store > edited presets. it used to.... and now it doesn't. > > I can edit presets, both factory and user, but when I store them to a > user-location and switch away, I discover that the user preset has > reverted to whatever was in there before. the thing beeps through it's > main-output when a store operation has happened, and it still does > that, but the store operation obviously isn't happening. > > I have tried an init, which just overwrites the user memories with the > corresponding factory presets, and this didn't take, either. so I'm > stuck with a handful of my presets I made when it was still working > properly. > > I just wanted to see if anyone on the list had encountered this- I > shall be writing to roger in a couple of days. > > duncan > (based in london, for those of you poised with cds and jiffy-bags; mail > me off-list for an address) > > > > > ************************************************************************* > ** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > ************************************************************************* > ** --Apple-Mail-1-989753131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Duncan- Forgive me if this is an obvious one, but is there any sort of "write protection" on this unit that was perhaps accidently turned on? Mark On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 09:00 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: chaps- been away for a few days and missed a few posts. for those of you interested in contributing to the bassloops compilation, yes I am still happy to do the compilation-mastering and I even have some ideas for the artwork, aswell as the wherewithal to produce same and get the whole shebang packaged and manufactured. as far as duration and delivery mechanism- how long of a piece you submit would depend to some degree on how many folks want to be a part of this, though I'd suggest something around 8 minutes as the absolute maximum. I can deal with most formats, but cd-r is probably easy for the majority. the sequencing of the album is a tricky bit... would we be placed alphabetically? in order of age? open to suggestions. now then. does anybody else have an adrenalinn? mine, with which I'm otherwise very happy, has developed a fault wherein it will not store edited presets. it used to.... and now it doesn't. I can edit presets, both factory and user, but when I store them to a user-location and switch away, I discover that the user preset has reverted to whatever was in there before. the thing beeps through it's main-output when a store operation has happened, and it still does that, but the store operation obviously isn't happening. I have tried an init, which just overwrites the user memories with the corresponding factory presets, and this didn't take, either. so I'm stuck with a handful of my presets I made when it was still working properly. I just wanted to see if anyone on the list had encountered this- I shall be writing to roger in a couple of days. duncan (based in london, for those of you poised with cds and jiffy-bags; mail me off-list for an address) *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** --Apple-Mail-1-989753131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 14:09:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69I68u29331; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:06:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:06:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:06:01 -0700 Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001801c34639$a0e10ed0$6601010a@BARNEY> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All those sound like great suggestions. Especially the 2 stereo effects sends/returns. On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Gene Ehrbar wrote: > So, it basically sounds like I'm describing a simple rack-mounted line > mixer. It looks like Behringer just introduced one of these: > > http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=RX1602&lang=eng > > (available 8/1/03), but I've heard some not-nice stories about the > build > quality of their units -- anyone care to share? I've got a Behringer V-amp, 12 channel audio mixer, and FCB1010 midi controller and I've found them all to be of high quality for the money. I've not compared the mixer to my wife's Mackie, but it's been totally reliable and when I use it in live situations it is plenty for my needs. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 14:33:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69IURi31327; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:30:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2003 18:30:20.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[2722FD60:01C34648] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gene, You should check out the Samson PL1602. It covers most of your wish list. you can get them for about $230 new. 2 spaces though. I haven't hooked mine up yet, but i have heard from some that they sound good. Probably better than the Behringer, although i like their stuff for the price! I wish Rane would make a more advanced design on their SM-82. Oh well. Check out the Samson! Two Stereo fx send and returns! peace, -matt wiley From: "Gene Ehrbar" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers >Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:46:22 -0700 > >Hi Will! (and everyone else!) > >Great question. As I'm in the market for one, I'll bite. > >First off, a bit of context -- I'm looping using Ableton Live as a >sequencer/looper, Propellerheads Reason for synths, and assorted objects, >instruments and humans for other sounds. I've got 4-in and 4-out to my >laptop (2x stereo, essentially), so I'm mixing all of my inputs down before >sending them into the loop chain using a small tabletop mixer, and >returning >a monitor out and master out using the four outs on my computer's audio >interface. The biggest drawback (so far), is that the send on the mixer >I'm >using is mono, so any stereo inputs are being monofied on their way into >the >loop chain. Other than that, it works pretty well. > >Given that, here's my wish list: > >- keep it small -- one rack space would be great; > >- stereo aux/sends, x2 if possible; > >- 2x stereo out, for dedicating monitor (click/metronome/preview) and >master >outs > >- pushbotton reassigning of inputs to master/monitor/sends -- this would be >great for "punching in" myself and others into the loop chain on the fly. >The biggest challenge now in playing with others is isolating signals going >into the loop chain -- running over to the board and turning up a given >send >knob isn't always practical (footswitch, perhaps?). The thought of running >everything through a spaghetti bowl of ABY boxes makes me cringe... > >- put the input jacks on the face, not the back panel, for easy replugging; > >- at least 8 (4x stereo) inputs -- 12 or 16 would be nice :-) > >- per-channel EQ would be nice, but not absolutely necessary, since most >sounds will be otherwise massaged along the chain; > >- can I have it tomorrow? ;-) > >So, it basically sounds like I'm describing a simple rack-mounted line >mixer. It looks like Behringer just introduced one of these: > >http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=RX1602&lang=eng > >(available 8/1/03), but I've heard some not-nice stories about the build >quality of their units -- anyone care to share? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Will Brake" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:26 AM >Subject: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers--was re:MIDI >Foot controllers? > > > > Hello all, after a few years off, I'm back. LOL > > > > If you think about it, all the talk about manuals makes sense. Most > > companies are producing their technical writing on computers, so it > > isn't a hassle to convert to a PDF and upload to a website. To convert a > > manual, on the other hand, takes hours and people. Additionally, > > bandwidth costs money. Imagine how much money it would cost Roland to > > have all the 'legacy' product manuals online! Personally, I'd rather pay > > less for the products! > > > > We're currently working on a compact mixer, one or two rack spaces, > > designing with the looping community in mind. Obviously running MOST FX > > in parallel is preferred and we are taking this into consideration. I > > have a few questions for the group: > > > > First, in a perfect world, what would you fantasy mixer be able to do? > > (please keep your lewd thoughts and comments to yourself) > > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 14:43:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69IgJt32450; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:42:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:42:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c34649$df384670$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:42:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since there is a mixer thread happening... I found this Alesis MultiMix 12R thingy in the AMS catalog the other day and thought it was a cool design. I like being able to see the level of things with sliders rather than knobs, but also like the fact that it is only 3 rack units high and 12 channels. http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMM12R Does anybody have any experience with this device, or with Alesis mixers in general? Have you found it/them flexible to use and pure of signal? I basically want to keep my EDP on an aux send (or something) and be able to route several channels to it on and off as I feel the need (bass, vocals, keys, sometimes all at once). Thanks fer reading. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 15:52:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69JoWc06179; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:50:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:50:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030709124016.039deea8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:50:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT: Re: Grooveboxes In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 PM 7/8/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I second the recommendation. I just got the Beat Garden ROM today. >It's selling at zzounds for $150. hopefully you bought it using the zzounds link on Looper's Delight! It costs you the same, and a little percentage of your dough comes back to LD to help pay the costs of running this place. Just a little reminder in case you forgot - if you're gonna buy something anyway, why not give Looper's Delight a little kickback? here's the special link, in case you can't manage to find them plastered all over the LD web page: http://www.zzounds.com/a--3746 We thank you for your support! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 16:20:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69KI3F08642; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 21:37:53 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003a01c34651$98627330$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9HpnrB.A.5GC.7hHD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > One thing that is cool to do with the EDP is to beatbox > hihat patterns > > in half-speed. When going back to normal speed your voice > will sound > > crisp as dancehall hats, super tight and fast as hell. I still have > > yeah .. that _does_ sound like it would be pretty cool. > > do you have any .mp3 examples? > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com Yes. At last I got a mp3 posted, that dispalys this effect. At http://www.looproom.com/listening.php you can check out the song "Furiously Ambient" (scroll down the page). All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 17:42:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69LdXm16228; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:39:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:39:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: Grooveboxes Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:39:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2003 21:39:27.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[92803180:01C34662] Resent-Message-ID: <-UFlT.A.b9D.VuID_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, that's cool, i didn't know that and will use the link when purchasing from zzounds. thanks for the heads up. peace -matt >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: Re: Grooveboxes >Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:50:48 -0700 > >At 11:09 PM 7/8/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>I second the recommendation. I just got the Beat Garden ROM today. >>It's selling at zzounds for $150. > >hopefully you bought it using the zzounds link on Looper's Delight! It >costs you the same, and a little percentage of your dough comes back to LD >to help pay the costs of running this place. Just a little reminder in case >you forgot - if you're gonna buy something anyway, why not give Looper's >Delight a little kickback? here's the special link, in case you can't >manage to find them plastered all over the LD web page: > >http://www.zzounds.com/a--3746 > >We thank you for your support! > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 17:46:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69Li7u16817; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:44:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:43:58 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Re: Grooveboxes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030709124016.039deea8@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <7290C3F4-B256-11D7-830F-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, they were out of it and I found a guy on ebay who had one for $158 so I just bought it from him. Good catch though Kim. I do admit I forget when I'm in the heat of the moment and I get all crazy with gear lust and I prematurely enter my credit card number. Mark On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 12:50 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:09 PM 7/8/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> I second the recommendation. I just got the Beat Garden ROM today. >> It's selling at zzounds for $150. > > hopefully you bought it using the zzounds link on Looper's Delight! It > costs you the same, and a little percentage of your dough comes back > to LD to help pay the costs of running this place. Just a little > reminder in case you forgot - if you're gonna buy something anyway, > why not give Looper's Delight a little kickback? here's the special > link, in case you can't manage to find them plastered all over the LD > web page: > > http://www.zzounds.com/a--3746 > > We thank you for your support! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 17:53:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69LpYk17502; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:51:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:51:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:51:27 -0700 Subject: Re: adrenalinn storage problem Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <79FC9BC6-1E39-11B2-9CCC-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> Message-Id: <7E0F6548-B257-11D7-830F-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8s3h5.A.VRE.m5ID_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's tricky, you've got to press the button and press it again or something... if you haven't heard a little "beep" then it hasn't saved. I remember it being tricky. I don't have one any longer so that's all I know. Keep pressing buttons until it does what you need. Mark On Thursday, January 1, 1970, at 04:20 AM, Mark Landman wrote: > Duncan- > > Forgive me if this is an obvious one, but is there any sort of "write > protection" on this unit that was perhaps accidently turned on? > > Mark > > On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 09:00 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > wrote: > >> chaps- >> been away for a few days and missed a few posts. for those of you >> interested in contributing to the bassloops compilation, yes I am >> still happy to do the compilation-mastering and I even have some >> ideas for the artwork, aswell as the wherewithal to produce same and >> get the whole shebang packaged and manufactured. >> >> as far as duration and delivery mechanism- how long of a piece you >> submit would depend to some degree on how many folks want to be a >> part of this, though I'd suggest something around 8 minutes as the >> absolute maximum. I can deal with most formats, but cd-r is probably >> easy for the majority. the sequencing of the album is a tricky bit... >> would we be placed alphabetically? in order of age? open to >> suggestions. >> >> now then. does anybody else have an adrenalinn? mine, with which I'm >> otherwise very happy, has developed a fault wherein it will not store >> edited presets. it used to.... and now it doesn't. >> >> I can edit presets, both factory and user, but when I store them to a >> user-location and switch away, I discover that the user preset has >> reverted to whatever was in there before. the thing beeps through >> it's main-output when a store operation has happened, and it still >> does that, but the store operation obviously isn't happening. >> >> I have tried an init, which just overwrites the user memories with >> the corresponding factory presets, and this didn't take, either. so >> I'm stuck with a handful of my presets I made when it was still >> working properly. >> >> I just wanted to see if anyone on the list had encountered this- I >> shall be writing to roger in a couple of days. >> >> duncan >> (based in london, for those of you poised with cds and jiffy-bags; >> mail me off-list for an address) >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> ***** >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >> be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may >> not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it >> in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, >> please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. >> >> It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other >> checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not >> affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this >> e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >> represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, >> nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. >> >> MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from >> external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct >> and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. >> >> MTV Networks Europe >> ********************************************************************** >> ***** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 18:05:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69M3gd18589; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:03:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Mp3 files from the Swedish Looping Tour Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:03:31 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003b01c34665$f12f3570$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <0a3301c3462c$503fce10$72a44a43@g0wn7> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Finally I got five mp3 files posted. When touring in Sweden with Rick Walker and Matthias Grob we recorded almost every show, except the last one due to technical problems. But then my studio PC died and I couldn't get at the files until I walked down to the repair man to fetch my audio drive and mount it into another PC networked to my laptop. Phiew... (I've ordered a G5 for leasing now... :-) Anyway, scroll down a bit at http://www.looproom.com/listening.php Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 18:09:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69M6YT18828; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: adrenalinn storage problem Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:06:05 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c34666$4c8c56a0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <7E0F6548-B257-11D7-830F-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h69M6Xk18804 Resent-Message-ID: <1Csrl.A.DmE.qHJD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can only save to user preset (sounded like you already knew that) After modifying a patch to suit your needs press the save button with a long press (under the label edit) when the display has changed back to displaying the User Patch number the changes should be permanent (otherwise you got a problem) Ueful: to return to the devices factory setting hold down both the Start button and the Bypass button while powering on (this might be useful for you to do first just to clear things up) -----Original Message----- From: mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adrenalinn storage problem It's tricky, you've got to press the button and press it again or something... if you haven't heard a little "beep" then it hasn't saved. I remember it being tricky. I don't have one any longer so that's all I know. Keep pressing buttons until it does what you need. Mark On Thursday, January 1, 1970, at 04:20 AM, Mark Landman wrote: > Duncan- > > Forgive me if this is an obvious one, but is there any sort of "write > protection" on this unit that was perhaps accidently turned on? > > Mark > > On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 09:00 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > wrote: > >> chaps- >> been away for a few days and missed a few posts. for those of you >> interested in contributing to the bassloops compilation, yes I am >> still happy to do the compilation-mastering and I even have some >> ideas for the artwork, aswell as the wherewithal to produce same and >> get the whole shebang packaged and manufactured. >> >> as far as duration and delivery mechanism- how long of a piece you >> submit would depend to some degree on how many folks want to be a >> part of this, though I'd suggest something around 8 minutes as the >> absolute maximum. I can deal with most formats, but cd-r is probably >> easy for the majority. the sequencing of the album is a tricky bit... >> would we be placed alphabetically? in order of age? open to >> suggestions. >> >> now then. does anybody else have an adrenalinn? mine, with which I'm >> otherwise very happy, has developed a fault wherein it will not store >> edited presets. it used to.... and now it doesn't. >> >> I can edit presets, both factory and user, but when I store them to a >> user-location and switch away, I discover that the user preset has >> reverted to whatever was in there before. the thing beeps through >> it's main-output when a store operation has happened, and it still >> does that, but the store operation obviously isn't happening. >> >> I have tried an init, which just overwrites the user memories with >> the corresponding factory presets, and this didn't take, either. so >> I'm stuck with a handful of my presets I made when it was still >> working properly. >> >> I just wanted to see if anyone on the list had encountered this- I >> shall be writing to roger in a couple of days. >> >> duncan >> (based in london, for those of you poised with cds and jiffy-bags; >> mail me off-list for an address) >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> ***** >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of >> the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be >> privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not >> copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any >> form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please >> e-mail the sender by replying to this message. >> >> It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other >> checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect >> your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail >> are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those >> of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this >> message form any part of any contract unless so stated. >> >> MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from >> external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and >> appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. >> >> MTV Networks Europe >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> ***** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 18:16:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h69MDdT19291; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:13:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F0C9670.3813E822@erols.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 18:25:53 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adrenalinn & stuff References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB203@LON-MAIL07> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_f4Xd.A.StE.TOJD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) I have an adrenalinn. I've never experienced that problem. I've found there customer support to be very good both via e-mail and phone. I had a problem with the unit syncing to Pro Tools and they sent me a chip set to install. Good luck John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 20:15:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6A0DjZ27454; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030710001344.43852.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Digitech 7.6 Time Machine sound-on-sound delay/looper For Sale (again)! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4L7pd.A.xsG.5-KD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the spam again, but I know this may be of interest to my fellow loopers. One excellent condition Digitech Time Machine for sale again thanks to a deadbeat. It's the rack mount delay; complete with all original knobs, switches, and original un-shortened power cord. A pretty clean unit. I even got some spare jack nuts for the jacks in the rear of the unit (usually these don't come with these nuts). If you don't know what it does, check the gear review archive at Harmony Central or here at wwww.loopers-delight.com. In a nutshell you have 7.6 seconds of sound-on-sound delay with a hold feature and plenty of hook-up options. Real-time control of all parameters including speed and width from the front panel. Plenty of funky looping to be had with this unit! This a rack-mounted treasure. There are internal trim-pots you can adjust for even longer delay times and more weird sounds. It does great standard delays, flanging, chorus, etc., but you probably wouldn't use it for that. This thing excels at drones, pitch shifted delays, warbles, loops and the like. $100 - shipping is $9 in the continental US. Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 9 20:59:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6A0rnO29978; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:53:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030709151501.0305d310@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:51:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Line 6 filter pro review In-Reply-To: <186.1c860593.2c3d2c56@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7iz-hD.A.SUH.dkLD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:29 AM 7/9/2003 -0400, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > has anyone been loopy with the Line 6 Filter Pro rackmount deal? I am > > interested because of the time sync as well as the ZVEX and Electrix > Filter > > Factory presets. > > >Click here: Line 6 filter pro review I've had a Filter Pro for a few months, but (due to integration issues) I've finally gotten it completely up and running with my rig only within the past couple of weeks. Overall, I'd agree pretty much 100% with Andy's review, but since we're on the subject let me throw in a couple of other tips... First, I'm driving the Filter Pro's synthesizer models using a synth patch that's merely a monophonic sine wave. This results in much better tracking, and only a little latency overall. You may also need to play with the octave tuning between the input and output notes. Remember: a higher note has a faster wave cycle, so the tracking logic can zero in on the pitch a bit more quickly. If possible, try to track on a higher note, then use the 'detune' function to bring it down to the pitch you want. In general, the GR-700 and X911 models are nastier than I remembered the originals being (but 'nasty' in a good way), and, just as Andy pointed out, the Synth-O-Matic is actually pretty damn kewl. Next, when I first bought it, I thought the filters were a little on the tame side. Not enough to consider selling it, mind you, but not as punchy as I would have liked. Then the other night I was playing around with my audio patchbay, and accidentally routed the left channel output back into the right channel input. Wow! I don't know why doing this hadn't occurred to me before, but suddenly *there* was that fat analog filter sound I'd been seeking. The only thing I don't like about this setup is that it collapses everything fed into it back into mono, but I might try experimenting with splitting one output, then both feeding that back in and mixing it with the second out for pseudo-stereo. Of course, if you try this you probably need to be very cognizant of your gain stages. Otherwise, there's the potential to overload one channel. I'm lucky in that I can control the output levels on my rig at several different points, but all standard disclaimers apply. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 05:55:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6A9rXZ29495; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 05:53:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 05:53:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004501c345da$bb837ed0$6601a8c0@sam1m9b7l1ql9f> References: <004501c345da$bb837ed0$6601a8c0@sam1m9b7l1ql9f> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:53:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: In search of Jim Mahoney... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <33yapD.A.vMH.deTD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Our big discovery in Berlin is Michael Schiefel (schiefel.de) He does all kinds of voices and instruments, is very fast, clever with the use of two EDPs, controlled by a keyboard, and still does a humorous show, mainly miming the instruments he imitates. Jim told me last time I met him, that he now tries to arrange all he learned by looping, so he somehow "grew out" of live looping after 10 years... I wonder what comes out... >I'm new to the loopers-delight list, but I've been searching through the >archives soaking up all I can for the past few weeks. There's some >great stuff in here! Thanks to all that keep this community alive and >well! > >I also wanted to ask if anybody knows anything more about Jim Mahoney >(last mentioned on post >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199906/msg00349.html). >Apparently a few years ago he was doing a solo vocal show with an EDP? >I am solo vocal act working without one for the moment, but I'm about to >make the leap. I'd love to learn about what others have done before. >Can anybody direct me to any CDs, samples, or contact info that I might >find useful (for Jim or other looping vocalists in general)? Thanks! > >Sam Rogers >One Mouth Band >www.OneMouthBand.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 12:29:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6AGRv922272; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:32:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers In-Reply-To: References: <001801c34639$a0e10ed0$6601010a@BARNEY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2003 16:27:56.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[381EF1B0:01C34700] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6AGRuk22245 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 09:46  AM, Gene Ehrbar wrote: >> So, it basically sounds like I'm describing a simple rack-mounted line >> mixer.  It looks like Behringer just introduced one of these: ), but I've heard some not-nice stories about the >> build >> quality of their units -- anyone care to share? > Mark wrote: >I've got a Behringer V-amp, 12 channel audio mixer, and FCB1010 midi >controller and I've found them all to be of high quality for the money. Yes me to, I've had n original Composer for years + a patchbay, MX802A mixer, dynamic mic, DI box and feedback distroyer - for the money I'm pleased with all of them and the mixer's build quality is very solid. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 12:29:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6AGRps22228; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:27:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:27:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:23:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers--was re:MIDI Foot controllers? In-Reply-To: References: <20030709160731.48134.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2003 16:27:48.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[3363DAA0:01C34700] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6AGRok22198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Will, Thanks for the opportunity to think about my perfect looping mixer. A few thoughts below: I currently use a keyboard and 2 synth modules controlled by a MIDI wind controller, they all have stereo outs. I also use a miced up soprano saxophone and a flute, oh and a drum machine. So, 1. good easy to see and feel layout so that its quick and straightforward to get to a control quickly at a gig. I wonder about different sized knobs as well as colours and knobs with pointers. Rackmount (2U). All wiring on rear except for mono (mXLR and jack) inputs on the front. Plenty of stereo channels + a couple of mono channels with decent mic pres + phantom power. Simple but thoughtful EQ on mono channels but for me, sends are more important than EQ on stereo channels. Good metering too. A good powerful headphone amp with solo/pfl, so sounds can be checked before going out to main outputs and without effecting what's coming from the main outs. 2 post-fade and 1 pre-fade send My most important bit for a looping mixer is to come up with some way (either by MIDI or other footswitch and pedal arrangement) to be able to control channel (post-fade) sends during performance. I would like to (say) be able to send one synth to my looper, then another, to be able to fade aux sends up and down by foot rather than by hand. I know that there would be compromises here but it would be great to have some external control over sends. As for the cost I guess around £200 (UK) If it had the right features. There are lots of good mixers at really low prices on the market and we cope with the compromises, but for a mixer designed for looping, I'd pay this but not too much more. I have a good more fully featured desk in my studio but for looping, I want something very specific that would be permenantly wired up in a  rack case, I wouldn't want too many features that I don't use. I'll be interested to hear other peoples' replies - they'll probably get me more clear too. Thanks. Ian. At 17:26 09/07/03 , you wrote: >Hello all, after a few years off, I'm back. LOL > >If you think about it, all the talk about manuals makes sense. Most >companies are producing their technical writing on computers, so it >isn't a hassle to convert to a PDF and upload to a website. To convert a >manual, on the other hand, takes hours and people. Additionally, >bandwidth costs money. Imagine how much money it would cost Roland to >have all the 'legacy' product manuals online! Personally, I'd rather pay >less for the products! > >We're currently working on a compact mixer, one or two rack spaces, >designing with the looping community in mind. Obviously running MOST FX >in parallel is preferred and we are taking this into consideration. I >have a few questions for the group: > >First, in a perfect world, what would you fantasy mixer be able to do? >(please keep your lewd thoughts and comments to yourself) > >Second, in the real world, what would you be willing to pay for such a >mixer? > >We have concerns about quality/reliability and prefer to use the best >components rather than make an inferior product. I know the looping >community is growing, but is still a smaller portion of the market. As >such, developing a product for said market can be expensive, but we are >committed to the task. Please keep this in mind when you consider what >you would pay for a 'dream mixer'. > >We'll have a naming contest in the future, probably long after we hammer >out the features contained in the mixer. > >This should be fun!! > >Respect > >Will Brake >Soul Fruit Electronics > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:08 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers? > >--- Paul Sanders wrote: > >> Yeah. My Roland SPD-S manual really blows. > >Haha! It's a ROLAND manual! They're notoriously bad. I haven't seen a >recent one, >but the old ones were so poorly translated that it was hilarious to try >and read >them. You'd think a company with that much resources could afford to >hire at >least one person who was FLUENT in the languages involved (at least in >the >primary world languages). > >> The other thing that irritates the hell out of me about Roland is they >don't >> make the manuals available online. Makes researching capabilities >kindof >> difficult! > >Yes, that's bothered me too. I think it's because they want to charge >you a lot >for replacement print copies. Something like $20 for a little thin >manual last >time I checked. I love companies like Line 6 that put all their docs >online (and >updates as well). > >Greg > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 12:32:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6AGU7A22717; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:30:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:30:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F0D945C.C5FEEE5D@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:29:16 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Zoom 2100 for sale References: <20030710001344.43852.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3jNMd.A.ziF.PSZD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone want my Zoom 2100? Works perfectly, great condition, in original box w/power supply, patch reference card, manual. 32 seconds max loop time, plus three one-shot five second loops, plus other effects that range from horrible to useful. Interesting and wacky. more info: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/zoom2100/zoom2100.html I'll sell it for $60, and I'll include shipping in that for anyone in the U.S. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 15:41:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6AJci209769; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:38:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030710193838.24571.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:38:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro footcontroller options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F03D13A.4020903@quik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- dgoat wrote: > I just picked up an echo pro, and the rfx midibuddy > (used) and for the > basic functions, the midibuddy hits it right on the > nose. It's > ergonomiclly well designed and the program changes > you need are all on > the lower tier -- 105 to 109 Does Line6 support RFX's MIDI phantom power, or does the midibuddy require a power supply? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 17:52:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ALlZ222679; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:47:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: , References: <001001c3433b$5fe6f990$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Subject: Re: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:43:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2003 21:41:01.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[F512ED50:01C3472B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Recently I have exchanged my "drum machine" (a MC-303) for a microphone > to mimic drums with my voice and record them into the loops. It's so > much faster (need no programming) and way more fun! I just need to work > a bit on my beatboxing chops ;-D > http://www.humanbeatbox.com/index.shtml http://www.humanbeatbox.com/tutorials/index.shtml On of my all time favourite sounds is from Amon Tobin's Permutation album which, as far as I can tell, (and I can't tell very far) is vinyl scratching, of beatboxing, into a wah and filter... bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "The beats are ok, I suppose, but the vocals sound like the vintage jazz singers from my dad's record collection. It's not for me." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: RE: Roland SPD-S WAS: Re: Another EDP question > > From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > > > > On the subject of using the "drum machine" with the EDP,//// (snip) > > Hi Paul, > > Just a short idea for an alternative: > > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.looproom.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 17:59:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ALwHr23969; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:58:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:58:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: hummer ! Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:12:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2003 21:54:33.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8C75B70:01C3472D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, I listened to the clip you put up. If the guitar strumming that starts part of the way through the clip is representative of the level of the music throughout, I'm afraid you're likely to be out of luck - the noise is too loud to make for a listenable recording. Noise reduction might help, but anything strong enough to get rid of the buzz will cut deeply into the sound of the performance. Next time, you need to use a ground lift. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: hummer ! > help! the recording of the very nice Berlin Livelooping evening (july 4th, > 2003) is flawed by a loud hum ... > > does anyone know if there is a way to get rid of it? of course it is not a > simple hum but something that covers many frequencies and that has a pattern > ... simple filters or denoising algorithms won't be enough I think ... > > is there a software (if possible, for pc) that could handle this? > > > here's an example: http://www.michaelpeters.de/temp/ > > > -michael peters > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 18:44:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6AMhAk28545; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:43:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030710224304.28913.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030704131011.57627.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been trying to come up with a simple way to route a couple of loopers so that one footswitch will select between running them in parallel, each with their own output destination, and with running them in series, one (a Headrush) cascaded into another (an RC-20), but so far my experiments have been pretty frustrating. I find both arrangements equally musically useful, but in different ways. With separate signals, I can do fades, post-process the loops differently, etc., while in series I can do a sort of poor man's 'multiply' where several reiterations of a short Headrush loop can be resampled into the RC-20 as the bottom layer of a much longer loop. It's just not practical to change all the patch cords to do *both* of these in the same performance, let alone in the course of the same tune. I'm not able to buy anything in the neighborhood of a $witchblade, and have been trying to do this with A/B boxes and splitters. Any suggestions? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 19:05:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6AN4AT30367; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:04:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:04:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030710230409.45277.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030710224304.28913.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > I've been trying to come up with a simple way to route > a couple of loopers so that one footswitch will select > between running them in parallel, each with their own > output destination, and with running them in series, > one (a Headrush) cascaded into another (an RC-20), but > so far my experiments have been pretty frustrating. What about a simple A/B split? For example: instrument -> headrush -> A/B box: A -> RC20 -> passive mixer input 1 A/B box: B -> passive mixer input 2 passive mixer out -> other gear -> amp Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 19:33:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ANVYH32334; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:31:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:31:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0d8601c3473c$39b74db0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <20030710230409.45277.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:37:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > I've been trying to come up with a simple way to route > > a couple of loopers so that one footswitch will select > > between running them in parallel, each with their own > > output destination, and with running them in series, > > one (a Headrush) cascaded into another (an RC-20), but > > so far my experiments have been pretty frustrating. > > What about a simple A/B split? For example: > > instrument -> headrush -> A/B box: A -> RC20 -> passive mixer input 1 > A/B box: B -> passive mixer input 2 > > passive mixer out -> other gear -> amp The other thing I'm wondering is how do you manage to sync these loops? I've been working with a DL-4 and RC-20 and I've found that if my timing isn't perfect, the two boxes go out of sync and it sounds like yak dung. THis is why I'm going witht he Electrix Repeater solution. I think Boss screwed the pooch when they didn't come up with a means of syncing to an external box. Paul > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 19:40:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ANdxo00456; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030710224304.28913.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030710224304.28913.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:39:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to use an Akai MX-76 "mixbay" for this. 1RU, 7-in, 6-out, each out can have a mix of any or all inputs, and presets can be selected by a footswitch or MIDI. Probably long discontinued, but I happen to have two them sitting around if you think it would work for you let me know off list. -Alex S. >I've been trying to come up with a simple way to route >a couple of loopers so that one footswitch will select >between running them in parallel, each with their own >output destination, and with running them in series, >one (a Headrush) cascaded into another (an RC-20), but >so far my experiments have been pretty frustrating. > >I find both arrangements equally musically useful, but >in different ways. With separate signals, I can do >fades, post-process the loops differently, etc., while >in series I can do a sort of poor man's 'multiply' >where several reiterations of a short Headrush loop >can be resampled into the RC-20 as the bottom layer of >a much longer loop. It's just not practical to change >all the patch cords to do *both* of these in the same >performance, let alone in the course of the same tune. > >I'm not able to buy anything in the neighborhood of a >$witchblade, and have been trying to do this with A/B >boxes and splitters. > >Any suggestions? > >-t- > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 19:50:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ANmIe01214; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:48:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:48:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c3473d$ba88a3c0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Steve Goodman" To: References: <20030710230409.45277.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:48:12 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 00:04:AM Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > I've been trying to come up with a simple way to route > > a couple of loopers so that one footswitch will select > > between running them in parallel, each with their own > > output destination, and with running them in series, > > one (a Headrush) cascaded into another (an RC-20), but > > so far my experiments have been pretty frustrating. > > What about a simple A/B split? For example: > > instrument -> headrush -> A/B box: A -> RC20 -> passive mixer input 1 > A/B box: B -> passive mixer input 2 > > passive mixer out -> other gear -> amp Pretty much the way I do the two Zoom 2100s, in conjunction with the 7.6 Time Machine, which accumulates the outputs of the Zooms and other items via the mixer aux send. I do wish the Rapco AB-100 A/B footswitch didn't have the awful 'standard heavy clicking' switches on it. It's uncomfortable to do without shoes on, and they're bloody loud. Suggestions for the switches themselves perhaps would be in order. Uh, those that are in the UK that is, huh? God, here we go. :P Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 19:55:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ANsV401785; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:54:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:54:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ee01c3473e$a6caf850$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030710230409.45277.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d8601c3473c$39b74db0$0600a8c0@money2> Subject: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:54:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found that when using two loopers, or when playing live with two musicians using loopers (that are not MIDI synced) a button to retrigger the loop is the only real way, if you're doing music that is not just floaty textures. Then you kind of have to tacetly (or verbally, I suppose, if you can actually hear each other over the din) agree which person (or device, if you are going solo) has "the loop" and is therefore dictating the time, and which person is accompanying or soloing over the loop. If you are accompanying then you are responsible for getting your loop close enough to in-time with the primary time-dictating loop, and retriggering and/or re-recording to keep in time with it. >From my limited amount of playing in two-looper settings, this is what I have arrived at. As long as the musicians have practiced sublimating their egos and can share who has "the loop" in a musical way, then everything works fine, and everybody has fun. Now, you might also just forget about all that I just said and put a rhythmic loop into one looper, and then overdub volume swell pads into the other without really worrying about any kind of rhythm to it at all. Then sync is not an issue. Just some blather. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sanders" To: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes > The other thing I'm wondering is how do you manage to sync these loops? > > I've been working with a DL-4 and RC-20 and I've found that if my timing > isn't > perfect, the two boxes go out of sync and it sounds like yak dung. > > THis is why I'm going witht he Electrix Repeater solution. > > I think Boss screwed the pooch when they didn't come up with a means of > syncing > to an external box. > > Paul > > > > Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 19:56:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ANsjK01822; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:54:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:54:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030710235444.28524.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:54:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: schiefel.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I visited this website and was pleased to find I could control the music by moving the mouse around to trigger different phrases and load in new phrases by clicking the mouse. Nice! Paolo --- Matthias Grob wrote: > Our big discovery in Berlin is Michael Schiefel > (schiefel.de) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 20:12:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B0BiJ03480; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:11:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030710181758.007976e0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:17:58 -0600 To: From: Goddess Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) In-Reply-To: <00ee01c3473e$a6caf850$520cfc0c@amd> References: <20030710230409.45277.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d8601c3473c$39b74db0$0600a8c0@money2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aaah, forget about sublimating yer' ego! it's all about ME! me me me me me!!! lol! Hey, speaking of playing with two loopers, Jesse, are ya in the mood for another lil' loopy session? We could actually record it this time? I may be up in yer' neck o' the woods at some point soon for a photo shoot. Have a great day. smiles, Cara At 05:54 PM 7/10/03 -0600, you wrote: >I found that when using two loopers, or when playing live with two musicians >using loopers (that are not MIDI synced) a button to retrigger the loop is >the only real way, if you're doing music that is not just floaty textures. > >Then you kind of have to tacetly (or verbally, I suppose, if you can >actually hear each other over the din) agree which person (or device, if you >are going solo) has "the loop" and is therefore dictating the time, and >which person is accompanying or soloing over the loop. If you are >accompanying then you are responsible for getting your loop close enough to >in-time with the primary time-dictating loop, and retriggering and/or >re-recording to keep in time with it. > >From my limited amount of playing in two-looper settings, this is what I >have arrived at. As long as the musicians have practiced sublimating their >egos and can share who has "the loop" in a musical way, then everything >works fine, and everybody has fun. > >Now, you might also just forget about all that I just said and put a >rhythmic loop into one looper, and then overdub volume swell pads into the >other without really worrying about any kind of rhythm to it at all. Then >sync is not an issue. > >Just some blather. > >-J > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Sanders" >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 5:37 PM >Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes > > >> The other thing I'm wondering is how do you manage to sync these loops? >> >> I've been working with a DL-4 and RC-20 and I've found that if my timing >> isn't >> perfect, the two boxes go out of sync and it sounds like yak dung. >> >> THis is why I'm going witht he Electrix Repeater solution. >> >> I think Boss screwed the pooch when they didn't come up with a means of >> syncing >> to an external box. >> >> Paul >> > >> > Greg > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 20:14:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B0DYY03731; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:13:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030710185332.02a7a720@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:07:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes In-Reply-To: <20030710224304.28913.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030704131011.57627.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <379kqC.A.K6.uEgD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:43 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Tim Nelson wrote: >I'm not able to buy anything in the neighborhood of a >$witchblade, and have been trying to do this with A/B >boxes and splitters. Well, not a short-term solution, but keep an eye on Ebay for an old 360 Systems Audio Matrix 16. It's a MIDI-automated 16x16 audio patchbay that's excellent for just the sort of thing you're describing. Best of all, it's older tech (circa. late-80's), so they're usually pretty cheap. Every few months somebody will put one up for auction, and you usually see them going used for only a tad over $100. Bought mine new when they first came out years ago, and I've never parted with it. Highly recommended, as long as a 16-point patchbay isn't overkill for you. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 21:23:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B1Mo910318; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:22:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c3474a$ee8436a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20030710230409.45277.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:22:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't see how you get a parallel configuration out of this. A = serial, headrush and then RC20 B = bypass the RC20 A+B = serial (headrush then RC20), mixed with a straight signal What am I missing? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > I've been trying to come up with a simple way to route > > a couple of loopers so that one footswitch will select > > between running them in parallel, each with their own > > output destination, and with running them in series, > > one (a Headrush) cascaded into another (an RC-20), but > > so far my experiments have been pretty frustrating. > > What about a simple A/B split? For example: > > instrument -> headrush -> A/B box: A -> RC20 -> passive mixer input 1 > A/B box: B -> passive mixer input 2 > > passive mixer out -> other gear -> amp > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 21:33:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B1QWu10814; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:26:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:26:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030710193323.009c0960@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:33:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: it's me again... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030708232120.007b33f0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4T9jq.A.1oC.IJhD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, thanks for the warm welcome back! lol lol so, lollol! how many pieces of kit have you gone through from the time that I unsubbed, 'til now? lol! -just curious... Smiles, Cara At 11:14 PM 7/8/03 -0700, you wrote: > Welcome back LOL Hope you're having a super time! > Loop on! lol Ya hear!? > >have a great everything! > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 10:21 PM, Goddess wrote: > >> Hi All, it's me again, -just as blonde, egotistical and loopy as >> ever! >> I thought y'all might have missed me, so I thought I'd come >> back >> and bother ya a little. lol! -Hope everyone's doing well. >> -Just reading through some of the msgs I missed. Talk with ya soon, >> have a >> great evening!... >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >> eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 21:35:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B1WYi11768; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.249.232] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] From: "Matthew Wiley" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:32:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2003 01:32:27.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[49E2E900:01C3474C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have any experience wih the Sound Sculpture Crosspatch model MC-8. would these type applications take place of what a line mixer would do to your signal? thanks -matt >From: Catilyne >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:07:46 -0500 > >At 03:43 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Tim Nelson wrote: > >>I'm not able to buy anything in the neighborhood of a >>$witchblade, and have been trying to do this with A/B >>boxes and splitters. > >Well, not a short-term solution, but keep an eye on Ebay for an old 360 >Systems Audio Matrix 16. It's a MIDI-automated 16x16 audio patchbay that's >excellent for just the sort of thing you're describing. Best of all, it's >older tech (circa. late-80's), so they're usually pretty cheap. Every few >months somebody will put one up for auction, and you usually see them going >used for only a tad over $100. > >Bought mine new when they first came out years ago, and I've never parted >with it. Highly recommended, as long as a 16-point patchbay isn't overkill >for you. > > -c- > >_____ >"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 21:41:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B1dvw12677; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:39:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030710194647.0079c700@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:46:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes In-Reply-To: <20030710224304.28913.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030704131011.57627.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, I'm selling an Ibanez MT-400 midi patch bay with no box or manual for $200, unless this is way out of line, and someone can find me a current quote on it. I just don't use it, so -thought someone else might like it. It will do everything you're looking for. Smiles, Cara At 03:43 PM 7/10/03 -0700, you wrote: >I've been trying to come up with a simple way to route >a couple of loopers so that one footswitch will select >between running them in parallel, each with their own >output destination, and with running them in series, >one (a Headrush) cascaded into another (an RC-20), but >so far my experiments have been pretty frustrating. > >I find both arrangements equally musically useful, but >in different ways. With separate signals, I can do >fades, post-process the loops differently, etc., while >in series I can do a sort of poor man's 'multiply' >where several reiterations of a short Headrush loop >can be resampled into the RC-20 as the bottom layer of >a much longer loop. It's just not practical to change >all the patch cords to do *both* of these in the same >performance, let alone in the course of the same tune. > >I'm not able to buy anything in the neighborhood of a >$witchblade, and have been trying to do this with A/B >boxes and splitters. > >Any suggestions? > >-t- > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 21:45:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B1imf13167; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:44:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711014442.95481.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0d8601c3473c$39b74db0$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Sanders wrote: > I've been working with a DL-4 and RC-20 and I've > found that if my timing > isn't perfect, the two boxes go out of sync and it >sounds like yak dung. Yeah, I've found (just like Jesse said) that you have to adjust your playing to the equipment you're using. If you try to use multiple unsynched loopers to do multiple tightly synched parts, you're not going to be satisfied with the results. But if you give the different devices different "jobs", they can work well together; one can do a repeating pattern of notes while a couple of others do textural stuff or a drone. It doesn't mean the music has to be all 'floaty stuff'; you can easily have cloudy ambient textures beneath an extremely aggressive/choppy part. Crossfading between the textural stuff is fun, as is crossfading between drones in different keys, 'playing' the faders on the mixer, as it were. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 21:49:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B1hEw13024; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:43:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030710183456.019c57f0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:43:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MC-8 was a precursor to the Switchblades. It allows anything to anything routing (8 mono ins/8 mono outs) but the patches are not CC controllable - you can't use expression pedals to fade between multiple sources/inputs (as you can w/ the Switchblades). Also, the MC-8 has a very short, but noticeable, signal cutoff when switching between patches/routings (via program changes or manually on the front panel). More information at http://www.soundsculpture.com/company/about%5Fhistory.htm At 08:32 PM 2003/07/10 -0500, Matthew Wiley wrote: >Does anyone have any experience wih the Sound Sculpture Crosspatch model MC-8. would these type applications take place of what a line mixer would do to your signal? > >thanks >-matt > >>From: Catilyne >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes >>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:07:46 -0500 >> >>At 03:43 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Tim Nelson wrote: >> >>>I'm not able to buy anything in the neighborhood of a >>>$witchblade, and have been trying to do this with A/B >>>boxes and splitters. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 22:02:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B20Bg15062; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:00:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:00:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711020006.5170.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030710230409.45277.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Greg House wrote: > What about a simple A/B split? For example: > > instrument -> headrush -> A/B box: A -> RC20 -> > passive mixer input 1 > A/B box: B -> passive > mixer input 2 > > passive mixer out -> other gear -> amp One of the things I tried was similar to that, but to do the two things I'm trying to do, I need to have true parallel so the two can be playing entirely independently of each other. It did occur to me that a second Headrush stuck in series in front of the RC-20 would accomplish exactly what I want for less than a switching matrix (and not all that much more than a good, quiet A/B and a passive mixer, about the same footprint too) but I didn't really want to buy a second Headrush. -t- ps: here's a trick for when you need to sum a stereo signal to mono: use a DL4 as a Y-cord! Not only will it combine your signals, it puts another looper in the chain! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 22:57:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B2uf220539; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:56:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:56:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <194.1befa55a.2c3f8162@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:56:34 EDT Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_194.1befa55a.2c3f8162_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_194.1befa55a.2c3f8162_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/03 9:45:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > you have > to adjust your playing to the equipment you're using. > what i do is start with the shortest loop time, electrix MO-FX.....i dont know the length of time you get with the delay but its not much.....i often use the three 5 sec loops you get with the zoom 2100 to input sounds into the MO-FX.....i then send that loop into the rang and (in EDP talk i would assume "multiply" it, how i drool for this capability) and then i have a long loop over which whatever i put into the MO will be in sync with the rang and itself.....if it all starts to get out of hand just feedback down on either the MO or the rang, get rid of stuff and still be in sync because the MO set the time.....i've been wondering, with all the shows going on in EUROPE, how did you all sync up? or was it one big BROTHER SYNC ORGY?.....i havent set up my kit since my last gig (the art event), im doing this to force myself to refinish the studio, clean/paint/carpet.....IM GOING NUTS, i normally loop every day sometimes for hours on end and here i've gone close to 2 weeks, its worse than quitting cigaretts.....seriously!.....:).....michael p.s......at one point several years ago i started to write on my studio walls with "sharpies" : phone numbers, chord changes etc.....im repainting it a somewhat dark brown and the writings still bleed through.....BEWARE its like a hard drive, nothing disappers.....im sorry, i can't go loop.....:) --part1_194.1befa55a.2c3f8162_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/10/0= 3 9:45:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


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what i do is start with the shortest loop time, electrix MO-FX.....i dont kn= ow the length of time you get with the delay but its not much.....i often us= e the three 5 sec loops you get with the zoom 2100 to input sounds into the=20= MO-FX.....i then send that loop into the rang and (in EDP talk i would assum= e "multiply" it, how i drool for this capability) and then i have a long loo= p over which whatever i put into the MO will be in sync with the rang and it= self.....if it all starts to get out of hand just feedback down on either th= e MO or the rang, get rid of stuff and still be in sync because the MO set t= he time.....i've been wondering, with all the shows going on in EUROPE, how=20= did you all sync up? or was it one big BROTHER SYNC ORGY?.....i havent set u= p my kit since my last gig (the art event), im doing this to force myself to= refinish the studio, clean/paint/carpet.....IM GOING NUTS, i normally loop=20= every day sometimes for hours on end and here i've gone close to 2 weeks, it= s worse than quitting cigaretts.....seriously!.....:).....michael
p.s......at one point several years ago i started to write on my studio wall= s with "sharpies" : phone numbers, chord changes etc.....im repainting it a=20= somewhat dark brown and the writings still bleed through.....BEWARE its like= a hard drive, nothing disappers.....im sorry, i can't go loop.....:)= --part1_194.1befa55a.2c3f8162_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 10 23:16:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B3F4122156; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:14:55 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030711020006.5170.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Disposition-Notification-To: "Will Brake" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Some things to remember concerning y-cords, series/parallel routing and such. I realize that many of you are constrained by budget. It sours the fire of many a gifted musician, and I fully empathize with you! While I have yet to find/make the perfect solution, I feel it necessary to point out a few things, many of you may already be aware, bear with me. In most instances, using a y-cable to split your signal will degrade the quality of the signal, causing signal loss. You can even have a phasing issue in rare cases. (Mu-Tron anyone?) A better solution is an active splitter. They buffer the signal so there is no loss and I've yet to see a phasing issue when using one. The parallel routing of FX/loops is obviously the preferred method, allowing each device to be tweaked for gain and tone, and usually better sound quality. A few things to remember about running signals in series are phasing (oh, again?), noise and gain structure. The noise factor is cumlative. I've had many clients come in complaining about signal loss, noise issues and such. Many times the issue falls on a phasing problem or improper gain structuring. The original question about signal routing is a problem we are all trying to solve without breaking the bank. Going back to my question about the ideal mixer, isn't signal routing a major feature that you can't seem to find on a compact mixer? While the new Behringer offering looks like an affordable piece, it is extremely limited in the features offered. I think footswitch control over routing options is required for most loopers. In fact, the ultimate mixer would probably include stereo VCA's that could be pedal controlled as well. VCA's so you don't have to you're your signal path all over the floor. Short cable runs are quieter. While we're at it, who is mixing a live set in stereo? Foot control for pan anyone? I have to admit, I was a little disappointed in the response to the ultimate mixer question I posted. Isn't there anyone that wants hassle free control over their live remix? Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 00:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B4Awr27039; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:10:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:10:56 -0700 Subject: Re: it's me again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030710193323.009c0960@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol Help me Obi-wan! I'm being attacked by tie fighters! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 00:14:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B4DId27366; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:13:17 -0700 Subject: Re: it's me again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030710193323.009c0960@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can't take it... must control self... On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Goddess wrote: > Hey Mark, thanks for the warm welcome back! lol lol so, > lollol! > how many pieces of kit have you gone through from the time that I > unsubbed, > 'til now? lol! -just curious... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 11:14 PM 7/8/03 -0700, you wrote: >> Welcome back LOL Hope you're having a super time! >> Loop on! lol Ya hear!? >> >> have a great everything! >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 10:21 PM, Goddess wrote: >> >>> Hi All, it's me again, -just as blonde, egotistical and loopy as >>> ever! >>> I thought y'all might have missed me, so I thought I'd come >>> back >>> and bother ya a little. lol! -Hope everyone's doing well. >>> -Just reading through some of the msgs I missed. Talk with ya soon, >>> have a >>> great evening!... >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >>> eachother. >>> -Then, anything is possible..." >>> >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >>> >>> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >>> >>> >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 00:20:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B4JgT27938; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:19:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:19:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:19:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00ee01c3473e$a6caf850$520cfc0c@amd> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 04:54 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > I found that when using two loopers, or when playing live with two > musicians using loopers (that are not MIDI synced) a button to > retrigger the loop is the only real way, if you're doing music that is > not just floaty textures. Not true. You can get really cool things happening when you use two unsynced loopers and do rhythmic stuff, you just have to loose your idea of traditional time signatures and tempo. I was doing stuff with Will Wright a few weeks ago and he wasn't synced to me and we had some very interesting moments. I need to do that more. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 00:30:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B4U3Q28802; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:30:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:30:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c34765$2550ff00$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:30:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What do you know?! Mark disagrees with me! Sarcastic bastards unite! -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) > On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 04:54 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > > I found that when using two loopers, or when playing live with two > > musicians using loopers (that are not MIDI synced) a button to > > retrigger the loop is the only real way, if you're doing music that is > > not just floaty textures. > > Not true. You can get really cool things happening when you use two > unsynced loopers and do rhythmic stuff, you just have to loose your > idea of traditional time signatures and tempo. I was doing stuff with > Will Wright a few weeks ago and he wasn't synced to me and we had some > very interesting moments. I need to do that more. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 00:34:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B4XQw29074; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:33:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:33:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711043325.18337.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Fabio Katz Reply-To: fabiokatz@yahoo.com Subject: FS: EDP 500 USD + shipping OBO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Please email me directly if interested at fabiokatz@yahoo.com Thanks, Fabio My loops page: http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 01:53:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B5qo001414; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:52:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:52:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c34770$99312570$7900a8c0@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:52:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In most instances, using a y-cable to split your signal will degrade the > quality of the signal, causing signal loss. You can even have a phasing > issue in rare cases. (Mu-Tron anyone?) A better solution is an active > splitter. They buffer the signal so there is no loss and I've yet to see > a phasing issue when using one. I'll vouch for this -- even when using an active ABY box to merge/split/choose signals, I managed to get unpredictable (and therefore unacceptable) variations in signal strength depending on who was "on" in the chain. > The original question about signal routing is a problem we are all > trying to solve without breaking the bank. Going back to my question > about the ideal mixer, isn't signal routing a major feature that you > can't seem to find on a compact mixer? While the new Behringer offering > looks like an affordable piece, it is extremely limited in the features > offered. I've looked a little closer at the new Behringer 1U, and the monitor/send is mono, which knocks it out of the running. > I think footswitch control over routing options is required for most > loopers. In fact, the ultimate mixer would probably include stereo VCA's > that could be pedal controlled as well. VCA's so you don't have to > you're your signal path all over the floor. Short cable runs are > quieter. While we're at it, who is mixing a live set in stereo? Foot > control for pan anyone? > > I have to admit, I was a little disappointed in the response to the > ultimate mixer question I posted. Isn't there anyone that wants hassle > free control over their live remix? I guess since the main loop mix lives inside my computer (the shortest signal path is inside the chip, right? ;-), and I have more or less unlimited and configurable control over all of the parameters therein, my main concern in a mixer is maintaining orderly inputs -- being able to choose which instruments/appliances/humans are going straight through to the main mix, which are going into the loop chain, and which are muted. Being able to do this via a footswitch would be great, but pushbuttons would be acceptable. The more manuals and spec sheets I read, the more I realize that, however well-intentioned, the designers of the portable mixers available out there haven't come up with exactly what I need, so something programmable/customizable would probably be best. As for panning in the loop (Live) mix, I can already do this via MIDI, so being able to pan the main mix might be overkill. Maybe not, though. *Sigh*... what I really need is a droid that understands the binary language of moisture vaporators... cheers, gene From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 04:06:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B83Y008578; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:03:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:03:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.d07e80c.2c3fc946@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:03:18 EDT Subject: Re: Stuart Goodman's switches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Suggestions for the switches themselves perhaps would be in order. Uh, > those that are in the UK that is, huh? God, here we go. :P www.maplin.co.uk maybe they have a store near you. (or mail order) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 04:30:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B8So810164; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "Timoth E. Gard" Sender: timothe@pcez.com Reply-to: tim@prettybigmusic.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:28:48 pst Subject: Repeater Power Supply??? X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3f0e7540.1da6.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 208.26.192.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anybody found a close substitute for the Repeater power supply? Or has anyone taken a voltmeter to one to see what the output voltages, polarities, etc. are? Also, some possible substitutes are suggested on the Electric forum, but none confirmed... anyone have any comments? I just bought a "spare" Repeater w/o a power supply and am dying to get it going! Thanks, Tim www.prettybigmusic.com ------------------- http://www.pcez.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 05:01:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B8xmr11566; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:00:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: OT: Zoom 2100 for sale Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <3F0E8AB3.17335.8CE354@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3F0D945C.C5FEEE5D@mhorse.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 10 Jul 2003 at 9:29, Daryl wrote: > Anyone want my Zoom 2100? Works perfectly, great condition, in > original box w/power supply, patch reference card, manual. 32 seconds > max loop time, That's only loops recorded from a CD or suchlike - live guitar loops are limited(!) to 10 seconds. It's a great beast & worth $60 any day. The only and substantial drawback is that it's sound on sound looping and if whilst you can switch to normal echo to allow decay, the sound vanishes if you restore SOS mode. But for this one problem, it would have been a brilliant looper. I wrote to Zoom several times, but no reponse. It also allows you to set a 10 second delay (or 5 second panning) and a 6 second mono delay at the same time! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 05:28:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B9QLg12595; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <132.21f4358a.2c3fdcb7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:26:15 EDT Subject: Dream Looping Mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6B9QLk12568 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > First, in a perfect world, what would you fantasy mixer be able to do? the basic principle is that for looping using one instrument, and many FX/loopers, you need almost as many auxes as inputs I haven't had time to really work on this question, but here's some of what we like to do, as an example 1) Use 3 FX units, probably with stereo O/P on a couple 2) 2 or 3 looping devices, 2 of which can form a stereo pair 3) feed the O/P from stereo FX into the stereo pair of loopers 4) post process a looper with one of the FX so it's more a routing thing than a mixing thing don't really need EQ much Need quite a few Aux sends! how about 2 stereo and 2 mono Returns 2 stereo 2 mono ...but these should be sendable to the other auxes. Main Output (stereo) on balanced jacks other inputs/outputs on balanced jacks, but must work well if unbalanced jack is used. Could get away with just (stereo) line-in, but otherwise a nice DI input for guitars, and a mic input, both with EQ. (...but no point unless these could be v.high quality) Would all this fit in 1u ? perhaps without the fancy EQed inputs. EURORACK PRO RX1602 : for an example of what this might look like. To reduce the no. of pots, the Aux sends could be switchable. i.e. One pot to send either to Stereo Aux 1 or 2. One pot to send to either mono Aux 3 or 4. the switches could be transparent push buttons with LEDs behind a la behringer. any stereo I/P or O/P should be switchable by the jacks being plugged in so that they function as mono when only one jack is used. to sum up 3 stereo inputs 2 mono inputs 2 stereo aux sends 2 mono aux sends main out or something like that. maybe 2 stereo ip 4 mono ip 1 stereo aux 4 mono aux main out oh ......and duplicate Main out on XLR sound quality would be important, as the signal would go though a lot of stages.. price? for £150 I'd buy straight away if it cost more, then I'd want to know about the sound quality. £300 would be an upper limit. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 05:36:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B9ZGU13131; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:35:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:35:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <169.2154020f.2c3fdecd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:35:09 EDT Subject: Hidden Looper in New Product To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Berhringer Bass V-Amp has a 15 second looper of some sort (maybe tap time!) with MIDI control of playback pitch and reverse. BASS V-AMP PRO : The Ultimate Tone Toolbox for Bass, Acoustic/Electric Guitar there's rack mount and silly shape versions Anyone tried to loop with it? It looks like quite an interesting box, with Synth sounds, filters, FX, an amp/speaker models andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 05:49:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6B9mkh13922; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <150.2173be71.2c3fe1fa@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:48:42 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Anyone want my Zoom 2100? Works perfectly, great condition, in > > original box w/power supply, patch reference card, manual. 32 seconds > > max loop time, > > That's only loops recorded from a CD or suchlike - live guitar loops are > limited(!) to 10 seconds. It's a great beast & worth $60 any day. That's not true! the 32 sec looper can record the guitar input. (set sampler I/P to "playnote") ...and anyway, you can plug guitar into the aux I/P, which then gives you the pitch control (or bad tempo control). Actually, I've been using the 2100 for non-looping, .....nice usable sounds andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 07:47:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BBda820454; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:39:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:39:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c347a1$15d82760$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030710183456.019c57f0@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:39:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK now I've got serious gear-lust for a Switchblade 16x16 - it's exactly what I've been looking for! Time to start saving. If anyone fancies helping out with the contributions, feel free to go and buy my CDs... ;o) with my MPX-G2, four EDPs and Kaoss pad hooked up through the switchblade, the possibilities would be almost too great... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) >> The MC-8 was a precursor to the Switchblades. It allows anything to anything routing (8 mono ins/8 mono outs) but the patches are not CC controllable - you can't use expression pedals to fade between multiple sources/inputs (as you can w/ the Switchblades). Also, the MC-8 has a very short, but noticeable, signal cutoff when switching between patches/routings (via program changes or manually on the front panel).<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 08:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BCAsZ22158; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:10:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:10:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c347a6$4dc4eb40$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:16:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) > On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 04:54 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > > I found that when using two loopers, or when playing live with two > > musicians using loopers (that are not MIDI synced) a button to > > retrigger the loop is the only real way, if you're doing music that is > > not just floaty textures. > > Not true. You can get really cool things happening when you use two > unsynced loopers and do rhythmic stuff, you just have to loose your > idea of traditional time signatures and tempo. I was doing stuff with > Will Wright a few weeks ago and he wasn't synced to me and we had some > very interesting moments. I need to do that more. I have to wonder though, how many people left the building in between those interesting moments :) I guess it depends on the content that's out of sync. In my simpleton situation of having a drum loop and a rhythm guitar part on seperate boxes, hiit don't work too goood. In a more "truely loopy" environment, I suppose it could be very trippy in a cool and hard to predict way. Paul > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 08:58:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BCqcq25040; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1057927944!261140 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB212@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: adrenalinn storage problem Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:50:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C347AA.F0FDC080" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C347AA.F0FDC080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>It's tricky, you've got to press the button and press it again or something... if you haven't heard a little "beep" then it hasn't saved. I remember it being tricky. I don't have one any longer so that's all I know. Keep pressing buttons until it does what you need.<< ok, now I know enough to write to roger; the thing's definitely busted. it beeps, but doesn't save. I know what it used to do when it was working, and both it and me are doing the same things now with a different result- lost edits. how annoying- I love the thing apart from this. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>It's tricky, you've got to press the button and p= ress it again or 
something... if you haven't heard a little "beep&qu= ot; then it hasn't saved. 
  I remember it being tricky.  I don't have on= e any longer so that's all 
I know.  Keep pressing buttons until it does what y= ou need.<<

ok, now I know enough to write to roger; the thing's defi= nitely busted. it beeps, but doesn't save. I know what it used to do when i= t was working, and both it and me are doing the same things now with a diff= erent result- lost edits.

how annoying- I love the thing apart from this.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C347AA.F0FDC080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 09:25:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BDOUZ27600; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:24:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:24:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Dream Looping Mixer Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:24:21 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C347C0.80B7FBE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <132.21f4358a.2c3fdcb7@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000006B7DDDF0E0E91147AB36B3B294E9DCF804784E00 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C347C0.80B7FBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First, in a perfect world, what would you fantasy mixer be > able to do? My personal dream is "no mixer at all" and I think I'm there now ;-) After a lot of experimenting and thinking I have managed to wire my stuff into a small rack with no mixer. The short description is that my EDP and Akai filter bank live in the Repeater's effect loop. Two inputs are always available, either the instrument I'm playing or a vocal mic. The master output of the system is the Repeater output. This minimal set-up has the feel of an instrument that allows you to improvise freely without having to think twice. The trick in setting it all up was to leave out a lot of options so that you can make music with what you keep at hand. 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In practice, musicians who loop tend to have a shortage of available space on the floor, since they've already got a healthy spread of stompboxes and whatnot. Plus it's expensive to start adding more CC-type pedals to your setup ($50 for each pedal for something plastic, more for something sturdy---BTW did I mention the added weight?). And then there's the increased number of cables... Doing that sort of control via MIDI has it's own problems--there's only a few manufacturers who make foot controllers that offer the necessary features (Rocktron, Behringer and another one I can't remember right now), and only the Behringer is cheap. Plus, you've still got the physical problem of where to put all those CC pedals, and if you use one and virutally share it, how can you tell what it's set to, do you have to move it past the set point before it'll start doing thing (a la the Line6 type interface for soft knobs), and so on. If you poll people for all the features they think they want on this, and then figure out how much it'd cost to manufacture the thing at a profit, you've probably priced yourself out of the market. I'd expect such a wonderbox to cost close to a grand on the low-end, and I don't have a thousand dollars worth of need for such a thing. In the end I suspect that the market for such a device is a niche within a niche, which is why you don't see a half-dozen used Switchblades in your local music store. TravisH On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 02:28 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I think footswitch control over routing options is required for most > loopers. In fact, the ultimate mixer would probably include stereo > VCA's > that could be pedal controlled as well. VCA's so you don't have to > you're your signal path all over the floor. Short cable runs are > quieter. While we're at it, who is mixing a live set in stereo? Foot > control for pan anyone? > > I have to admit, I was a little disappointed in the response to the > ultimate mixer question I posted. Isn't there anyone that wants hassle > free control over their live remix? > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 10:34:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BEUwm01025; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:30:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:30:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:30:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00a301c347a6$4dc4eb40$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: <496B0620-B3AC-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4DEjED.A.5P.iosD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 05:16 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > I have to wonder though, how many people left the building in between > those interesting moments :) > > I guess it depends on the content that's out of sync. Well, no one left the building because I was doing this in my home. I don't even let my cats out. However, I've seen Matt Davignon play with two delay pedals unsynced to audiences that watched with baited breath. Not only does it depend on the content, it depends on the audience. Some venues attract an audience with more open minds than others. You're right though, if you were to try the same thing in most college bars on a friday night you're not going to do that well. On the other hand, if I heard someone trying to loop pop or classic rock tunes with a Repeater, I'd be out of that club faster than you could say "Whole Lot Of Love." Snore. Not for me. Different strokes... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 10:36:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BEYnx01348; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:34:48 -0700 Subject: Re: adrenalinn storage problem Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB212@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6BEYnk01321 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've spoken to someone there when I got my eprom upgraded. (the first one had a MIDI sync issue) and they were super nice. It might be something as simple as a little battery in side. good luck, Mark On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 05:50 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>It's tricky, you've got to press the button and press it again or  > something... if you haven't heard a little "beep" then it hasn't > saved.  >   I remember it being tricky.  I don't have one any longer so that's > all  > I know.  Keep pressing buttons until it does what you need.<< > > ok, now I know enough to write to roger; the thing's definitely > busted. it beeps, but doesn't save. I know what it used to do when it > was working, and both it and me are doing the same things now with a > different result- lost edits. > > how annoying- I love the thing apart from this. > > d. > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *********************************************************************** > **** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 11:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BFNJK06078; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:23:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:23:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:23:25 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: headphones In-reply-to: <062b01c343eb$ca03d450$72a44a43@g0wn7> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006801c347c0$5fe63080$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm using iem's that are molded to my ear. they provide 25db of isolation and can get loud enough to cause hearing damage if you are not careful. (a limiter is basically mandatory). they cost about ~$700, though... you can get the one-size-almost-fits-all foam ones much cheaper but you won't get as much isolation, and they are not quite as comfortable. i haven't played a live gig with them yet, but i have heard there can be a bit of a disconnect with the audience. i've worn foam earplugs at shows and didn't have that problem, so i'm not going to worry about it. for drummers, i don't think that would be a problem, since they are busy drooling out of the side of their mouths anyway... > i think IEMs are the proper solution...anybody got a > particular pair they like. i'd like to spend no more than > 200 bucks, preferably less, but i don't want to buy total crap. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 11:44:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BFfFA07974; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:41:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: headphones Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:42:13 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c347c3$006dda60$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006801c347c0$5fe63080$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > for drummers, i don't think that would be a problem, > since they are busy drooling out of the side of their > mouths anyway... Hey! That's not true! Well, only if the stage isn't level... - Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 12:03:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BG1tI10066; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:01:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711160148.90834.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: RE: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200307110928.h6B9S8R12785@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Will, Thanks for the mini treatise on Y-cords and series/parallel routing. This is the main reason I'm on this list, to tap into the collective knowledge of this group. Currently I'm using a Mackie 1604 VLZ as my router/switcher. Not the most economical piece of gear, though it does do most of what I want and need it to do and does so fairly quietly. I'm running a keyboard and various sound modules and/or a guitar through my bank of Electrix gear, including the mighty Repeater. With the flexibility offered by the Mackie, I have separate sends to the Repeater, Mo-FX/Filter Factory, and Warp Factory (stereo source sends and mono formant send). Each unit then comes back into the Mackie on a pair of channels to be rerouted or sent to the main mix. I assume this is what you mean by parallel routing? The fun part is being sufficiently clearheaded to not create electronic feedback (or to do so intentionally) while rerouting stuff live. There are times when I'm playing the mixer and sound manglers as much or more than I'm playing my instrument. Foot pedals are not important to how I work, I prefer the button presses and volume faders to be within easy reach and controlled with my fingers which are far more sensitive and accurate than my feet. Pristine sound is very important. So is multiple routing options. If all this could be found on a compact mixer, that would be great. Something tells me that it can't and that's why I have a 16 channel mixer with multiple sends. <<<>>> Short of hauling the extra gear to gigs and rehearsals, this is a pretty hassle free setup. If there are less expensive or more compact ways of doing the same thing, I'd love to hear about them. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 12:38:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BGbkS13128; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:37:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:37:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030711104437.007a1210@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:44:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: it's me again... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030710193323.009c0960@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey! yo, welcome to my United States of freakin' WHATEVER! lollollollollollollollollol!!! -give in to your HATE, it is your DESTINY! lol! 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I'm being attacked by tie fighters! > >Mark Sottilaro > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 12:45:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BGdmH13414; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030711104640.009c0b30@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:46:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: it's me again... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030710193323.009c0960@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Take your Looper weapon, -strike me down with it... -feel your hatred... At 09:13 PM 7/10/03 -0700, you wrote: >Can't take it... must control self... > >On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Goddess wrote: > >> Hey Mark, thanks for the warm welcome back! lol lol so, >> lollol! >> how many pieces of kit have you gone through from the time that I >> unsubbed, >> 'til now? lol! -just curious... >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara >> >> At 11:14 PM 7/8/03 -0700, you wrote: >>> Welcome back LOL Hope you're having a super time! >>> Loop on! lol Ya hear!? >>> >>> have a great everything! >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 10:21 PM, Goddess wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, it's me again, -just as blonde, egotistical and loopy as >>>> ever! >>>> I thought y'all might have missed me, so I thought I'd come >>>> back >>>> and bother ya a little. lol! -Hope everyone's doing well. >>>> -Just reading through some of the msgs I missed. Talk with ya soon, >>>> have a >>>> great evening!... >>>> >>>> Smiles, >>>> >>>> Cara >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >>>> eachother. >>>> -Then, anything is possible..." >>>> >>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >>>> >>>> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >>>> >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >>>> >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >> eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 13:20:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BHDNj16522; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:11:49 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? In-reply-to: <20030707060943.91121.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007301c347cf$83faa5f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you lucky meatwad! check out this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2541492103&category=1287 > > --- Paul Sanders wrote: > > > > original price. > > > > I just tonight won an auction for one for $550. > > > > You scored !!! I feel sorry for the guys bidding on > this one - i'm sure the reserve is close if not > ididenticalo the buy it now price :) > > hthttp/cgcgibebayom/wswsBeBayISAPIldlliViewItemtem=2543479981& > category=38070 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 13:24:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BHNe217447; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:23:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:23:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:23:32 -0700 Subject: Re: it's me again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20030711104640.009c0b30@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: <65281C99-B3C4-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't hate you Cara. I can still feel good in you... As a matter of fact, when I can mentally strip out all the lols and you're really intelligent and an amazing contributer to this list. Not to mention a great musician and looper. It's just that when you put the lols and smiles after every sentence they loose all meaning and become noise. To be honest, they make you sound like an idiot, and you're not. Sure a good emoticon or tag after a sarcastic quip (I wouldn't know anything about those ) can be useful, but when I read your posts I imagine you sitting laughing manically at everything you say. Are you really laughing out loud after you write every sentence? Save them for the right moment and they'll be so potent. Think of it like a guitar technique. If you did a wammy-bar dive bomb after every single line it would get really annoying to listen to after a while. Put it after a smoking line every now and then and its totally cool. Plus, your not my father and I'll never join you! Let's see what changes have happened to my kit (I love that term! I picked it up reading Future Music. Those Brits) Traded my Line6 Echo Pro to Mark Hamburg for his E-MU PlanetEarth. The PlanetEarth sounds were so impressive I sold my Roland MC-307 to get a E-MU XL-7 Command Station. I liked the Command Station so much I sold my Behringer V-Amp and Yamaha DJXII plus a few vintage watches I had and got a few more ROMs for it (Beat Garden and Protozoa) Then I said, "Hmmm all this is nice, but my Roland PC-300 MIDI controller feels like cheese-wheat-bacon and beans. Sold that and a Roland SPD-6 to fund the purchase of a Novation ReMote25. Killer MIDI controller, I must say. Never could get the hang of that drum pad. Having a keyboard and the pads of the XL-7 let me do really cool single note trills that I couldn't normally do with just the XL-7. Nice. Now I have an issue that the XL-7's aux outputs (that are going into the Repeater) are dry only. Maybe a Lexicon MPX-110 might wet those up a bit. Any ideas? Good cheap multi-effect processor? I like my MPX-1, but just for this I don't need anything nearly that elaborate. Now I have a gig coming up that's a small festival type of thing and I have no looper for my mini rig. The Echo-pro was cool, but something on the floor might be better. I'm thinking of maybe the Boss DD-20 but I'm not sure if it will let me loop and control feedback at the same time. Hard to tell from the stuff I found out there and Roland/Boss doesn't publish it's manuals. Anyone have experience with this box? Damn, I'd love to have my old JamMan back for such things. And that's my story. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Goddess wrote: > Take your Looper weapon, -strike me down with it... -feel your > hatred... > > At 09:13 PM 7/10/03 -0700, you wrote: >> Can't take it... must control self... >> >> On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Goddess wrote: >> >>> Hey Mark, thanks for the warm welcome back! lol lol so, >>> lollol! >>> how many pieces of kit have you gone through from the time that I >>> unsubbed, >>> 'til now? lol! -just curious... >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara >>> >>> At 11:14 PM 7/8/03 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Welcome back LOL Hope you're having a super time! >>>> Loop on! lol Ya hear!? >>>> >>>> have a great everything! >>>> >>>> Mark Sottilaro >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 10:21 PM, Goddess wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, it's me again, -just as blonde, egotistical and loopy as >>>>> ever! >>>>> I thought y'all might have missed me, so I thought I'd >>>>> come >>>>> back >>>>> and bother ya a little. lol! -Hope everyone's doing >>>>> well. >>>>> -Just reading through some of the msgs I missed. Talk with ya >>>>> soon, >>>>> have a >>>>> great evening!... >>>>> >>>>> Smiles, >>>>> >>>>> Cara >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >>>>> eachother. >>>>> -Then, anything is possible..." >>>>> >>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >>>>> >>>>> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >>>>> >>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >>>>> >>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >>> eachother. >>> -Then, anything is possible..." >>> >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >>> >>> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >>> >>> >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 13:27:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BHQBi17724; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:26:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:26:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711172609.88597.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004b01c3474a$ee8436a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're right. I got confused when I drew that. It's not totally parallel, but if you did the RC20 loop first, then split out the Headrush, it might be useful, but probably not moreso then simply having them in series and not adding to the rc20s loop while you're working. Sorry, Greg --- Doug Cox wrote: > I don't see how you get a parallel configuration out of this. > > A = serial, headrush and then RC20 > B = bypass the RC20 > A+B = serial (headrush then RC20), mixed with a straight signal > > What am I missing? > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg House" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes > > > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > > I've been trying to come up with a simple way to route > > > a couple of loopers so that one footswitch will select > > > between running them in parallel, each with their own > > > output destination, and with running them in series, > > > one (a Headrush) cascaded into another (an RC-20), but > > > so far my experiments have been pretty frustrating. > > > > What about a simple A/B split? For example: > > > > instrument -> headrush -> A/B box: A -> RC20 -> passive mixer input 1 > > A/B box: B -> passive mixer input 2 > > > > passive mixer out -> other gear -> amp > > > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 13:33:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BHWAF18304; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: headphones Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:32:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <006801c347c0$5fe63080$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Will Brake" Resent-Message-ID: <74rgqD.A.4dE.aSvD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ultimate ears are really the way to go. Expensive. About $1500 for a wired setup, but you'll be glad you did in 5-20 years when you can still hear! As far as feeling disconnected, try placing a microphone to pickup the audience/surrounding area and mix that into your feed. It really helps to alleviate that boxed in feeling! Oh, the full soft option is a must! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: headphones i'm using iem's that are molded to my ear. they provide 25db of isolation and can get loud enough to cause hearing damage if you are not careful. (a limiter is basically mandatory). they cost about ~$700, though... you can get the one-size-almost-fits-all foam ones much cheaper but you won't get as much isolation, and they are not quite as comfortable. i haven't played a live gig with them yet, but i have heard there can be a bit of a disconnect with the audience. i've worn foam earplugs at shows and didn't have that problem, so i'm not going to worry about it. for drummers, i don't think that would be a problem, since they are busy drooling out of the side of their mouths anyway... > i think IEMs are the proper solution...anybody got a > particular pair they like. i'd like to spend no more than > 200 bucks, preferably less, but i don't want to buy total crap. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 13:45:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BHiG419376; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:44:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:44:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711174414.52355.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: boss dd-20 faults To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <65281C99-B3C4-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <39At3D.A.nuE.wdvD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > Now I have a gig coming up that's a small festival type of thing and I > have no looper for my mini rig. The Echo-pro was cool, but something > on the floor might be better. I'm thinking of maybe the Boss DD-20 but > I'm not sure if it will let me loop and control feedback at the same > time. I haven't used one, but I've been watching the reviews and what little info Roland/Boss will actually TELL YOU about their stupid box (grrr... why can't they provide BASIC PRODUCT FUNCTIONALITY INFO???). Not absolutely sure about feedback, but I don't think it'll let you control it. What it won't do for sure is let you STOP the SOS mode and restart it. When you stop the loop, it's gone. Between these two things, I probably won't get one. As nearly as I can tell, the DL4's got it beat on basic looper functionality. Too bad, some of the other features seemed cool. But the ability to stop and start a loop just seems very basic and stupid not to include. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 13:46:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BHj0f19473; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:45:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:45:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c347d4$32d20790$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <65281C99-B3C4-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: it's me again... Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:45:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have met Cara in person and she is normal. No maniacal cackling when she communicates. She's just got the emoticon disease. Mark's right, emoticons lose their meaning when applied too liberally. And he's right again that Cara is an EDP ninja. She uses it very fluidly. She certainly helped me to expand my concept of the EDP when I went down for a visit, and I have totally stolen her FCB1010 DirectMIDI command layouts for the EDP. Thanks, Cara! But other than those two small things, Mark is not right about anything he says -- especially when he disagrees with me -- so don't listen to him. Actually, Kim and I have been secretly collaborating on a script to go through the LD list archive and remove all his posts, since they are filled with so much deceit and disinformation. ;) -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: Re: it's me again... > It's just that when you put the lols and smiles after every sentence > they loose all meaning and become noise. To be honest, they make you > sound like an idiot, and you're not. Sure a good emoticon or > tag after a sarcastic quip (I wouldn't know anything about those > ) can be useful, but when I read your posts I imagine you > sitting laughing manically at everything you say. Are you really > laughing out loud after you write every sentence? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 13:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BHvcM20838; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:57:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:57:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <460201c347d5$e9bbc8f0$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <20030711174414.52355.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:57:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3718.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3718.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com why are you looking at the dd-20 as a "looper" ... boss makes a pedal in the same form factor called the "loop station" (rc-20) that has been out for quite a while. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: boss dd-20 faults > --- mark wrote: > > > Now I have a gig coming up that's a small festival type of thing and I > > have no looper for my mini rig. The Echo-pro was cool, but something > > on the floor might be better. I'm thinking of maybe the Boss DD-20 but > > I'm not sure if it will let me loop and control feedback at the same > > time. > > I haven't used one, but I've been watching the reviews and what little info > Roland/Boss will actually TELL YOU about their stupid box (grrr... why can't they > provide BASIC PRODUCT FUNCTIONALITY INFO???). > > Not absolutely sure about feedback, but I don't think it'll let you control it. > What it won't do for sure is let you STOP the SOS mode and restart it. When you > stop the loop, it's gone. > > Between these two things, I probably won't get one. As nearly as I can tell, the > DL4's got it beat on basic looper functionality. Too bad, some of the other > features seemed cool. But the ability to stop and start a loop just seems very > basic and stupid not to include. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 14:08:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BI7aW21948; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:07:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:07:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:07:29 -0700 Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030711174414.52355.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <88E5AF76-B3CA-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 10:44 AM, Greg House wrote: > Not absolutely sure about feedback, but I don't think it'll let you > control it. > What it won't do for sure is let you STOP the SOS mode and restart it. > When you stop the loop, it's gone. I don't care much about that. When I get going, I'm free-wheeling! Weeee! I'm much more concerned about being able to control feedback but I can't seem to get an answer from anyone about that, but I have not tried Boss yet. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 14:11:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BI9Ev22155; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:09:06 -0700 Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <460201c347d5$e9bbc8f0$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, but I was told that the DD-20 was a sound on sound looper only. No way to control feedback of your loops. Is that true? Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 10:57 AM, doug @ jump/cut wrote: > why are you looking at the dd-20 as a "looper" ... boss makes a pedal > in the > same form factor called the "loop station" (rc-20) that has been out > for > quite a while. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 14:12:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BIC7J22424; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711181205.52110.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <460201c347d5$e9bbc8f0$b0d8399d@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "doug @ jump/cut" wrote: > why are you looking at the dd-20 as a "looper" ... boss makes a pedal in the > same form factor called the "loop station" (rc-20) that has been out for > quite a while. Because, like the DL4, it's nice to have a basic functionality looper in your conventional delay, so you can add a little loop here or there without dragging out the entire looping rig every little time you play. The RC20 doesn't have conventional delay functions, it's just a looper, so it'd be just an extra turd on my pedalboard most of the time (and an overpriced one at that). Boss added the function to the thing. It'd be nice to actually be able to USE it (since it's there anyway), without having it's crippled by the lack of such a basic and critical feature. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 14:24:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BINoG23652; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:23:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:23:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:23:23 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: headphones In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007e01c347d9$83f1c0c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com those look like what i have already (at double the price). got mine from westone: http://www.westone.com/music/elite.html mixing in a microphone defeats the 25db isolation (a feature). having one on a talkback type switch would be ok, though... > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Brake [mailto:wbrake@comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: headphones > > > Ultimate ears are really the way to go. Expensive. About > $1500 for a wired setup, but you'll be glad you did in 5-20 > years when you can still hear! > > As far as feeling disconnected, try placing a microphone to > pickup the audience/surrounding area and mix that into your > feed. It really helps to alleviate that boxed in feeling! > > Oh, the full soft option is a must! > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: headphones > > i'm using iem's that are molded to my ear. > they provide 25db of isolation and can get loud enough to > cause hearing damage if you are not careful. (a limiter is > basically mandatory). they cost about ~$700, though... > > you can get the one-size-almost-fits-all foam ones much cheaper > but you won't get as much isolation, and they are not quite > as comfortable. > > i haven't played a live gig with them yet, but i have heard > there can be a bit of a disconnect with the audience. i've > worn foam earplugs at shows and didn't have that problem, so > i'm not going to worry about it. > > for drummers, i don't think that would be a problem, > since they are busy drooling out of the side of their > mouths anyway... > > > > i think IEMs are the proper solution...anybody got a > > particular pair they like. i'd like to spend no more than > > 200 bucks, preferably less, but i don't want to buy total crap. > > > > -jim > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 14:41:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BIe8Q24891; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:40:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:40:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:39:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Dream Looping Mixer From: To: looper people Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My personal dream is "no mixer at all".... > All the best > > Per Boysen > whats a 'mixer'? s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 15:14:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BJAB927632; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:10:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:10:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:09:06 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030711.150933.17034.249759@webmail08.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I use the DD20 and the RC20 together which makes a nice looping rig for on the fly loops. I feed the RC into the DD so I can vary the delay on my loops and since the DD has sound on sound looping capabilities I can capture the loop from the RC20 and then switch to a delay preset and tweak the loop on the fly. If I delete the loop on the RC20 I can start another while the original is playing on the DD20. I does not compare to the EDP/Repeater combo I use for solo playing but in a group setting the DD20 is wonderful for adding layers to solos and the RC20 is great for adding prerecorded material to a song. Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 15:15:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BJCIb27849; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:12:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:12:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:05 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030711.151136.17034.249769@webmail08.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, No Feedback control on the DD20 when doing SOS. Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 15:27:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BJQbj30165; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:26:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:26:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711192636.13341.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030711181205.52110.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think then you'd really be happy with a used Headrush. Unless you already have one. --- Greg House wrote: > --- "doug @ jump/cut" wrote: > > why are you looking at the dd-20 as a "looper" ... > boss makes a pedal in the > > same form factor called the "loop station" (rc-20) > that has been out for > > quite a while. > > Because, like the DL4, it's nice to have a basic > functionality looper in your > conventional delay, so you can add a little loop > here or there without dragging > out the entire looping rig every little time you > play. The RC20 doesn't have > conventional delay functions, it's just a looper, so > it'd be just an extra turd > on my pedalboard most of the time (and an overpriced > one at that). > > Boss added the function to the thing. It'd be nice > to actually be able to USE it > (since it's there anyway), without having it's > crippled by the lack of such a > basic and critical feature. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 15:34:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BJWwb30739; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017e01c347e4$0fede3b0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <007301c347cf$83faa5f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:38:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holy smokes! Someone payed that much?! Wow. I did get a deal! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: RE: Nearly there: EDP Individual loop muting? > you lucky meatwad! > > check out this one: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2541492103&category=1287 > > > > > --- Paul Sanders wrote: > > > > > > original price. > > > > > > I just tonight won an auction for one for $550. > > > > > > > You scored !!! I feel sorry for the guys bidding on > > this one - i'm sure the reserve is close if not > > ididenticalo the buy it now price :) > > > > hthttp/cgcgibebayom/wswsBeBayISAPIldlliViewItemtem=2543479981& > > category=38070 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 16:15:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BK9AX01307; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:09:03 -0700 Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030711.151136.17034.249769@webmail08.nyc.untd.com> Message-Id: <84ABBD51-B3DB-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what about on the RC-20? On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Weg wrote: > > Hi Mark, > No Feedback control on the DD20 when doing SOS. > > Weg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 16:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BKDv301645; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:13:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:13:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711201351.91835.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <84ABBD51-B3DB-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope. --- mark wrote: > what about on the RC-20? > > On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Weg wrote: > > > > > Hi Mark, > > No Feedback control on the DD20 when doing SOS. > > > > Weg > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 16:20:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BKFdd01846; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:15:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:15:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c347e9$3e67adc0$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <84ABBD51-B3DB-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:15:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No feedback control on an RC-20. Also no automatic feedback reduction when you overdub, so if you continue to layer your loops they just get louder and louder until they are distorting. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: Re: boss dd-20 faults > what about on the RC-20? > > On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Weg wrote: > > > > > Hi Mark, > > No Feedback control on the DD20 when doing SOS. > > > > Weg > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 16:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BKEQW01703; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:14:19 -0700 Subject: What loopers have feedback control? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003f01c347d4$32d20790$520cfc0c@amd> Message-Id: <40FF7F48-B3DC-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK. DD-20 doesn't have it. What loopers do? I know the EDP and Repeater both have it. JamMan too. Is there anything else? What about the Boomerang? All I want is basically the functionality of the DL-4's looper but the ability to control feedback. Why is this so hard? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 16:25:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BKNu902938; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bb01c347ea$66338e40$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <40FF7F48-B3DC-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:24:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A Boomerang has feedback control. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: What loopers have feedback control? > OK. DD-20 doesn't have it. What loopers do? > > I know the EDP and Repeater both have it. JamMan too. Is there > anything else? What about the Boomerang? All I want is basically the > functionality of the DL-4's looper but the ability to control feedback. > Why is this so hard? > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 16:32:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BKQK903272; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:26:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030711202618.87274.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:26:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <40FF7F48-B3DC-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9WNs7C.A.9y.s1xD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > OK. DD-20 doesn't have it. What loopers do? > > I know the EDP and Repeater both have it. JamMan too. Is there > anything else? What about the Boomerang? All I want is basically the > functionality of the DL-4's looper but the ability to control feedback. > Why is this so hard? I don't know. It would appear that the designers of the lower end boxes don't loop themselves, they just tack on some feature to get past a marketing "check off" requirement. For me, the perfect mini-looper would be like a DL4 where the expression pedal controlled feedback (in loop mode) and it had an undo button somewhere. Maybe a few more seconds of loop time. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 16:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BKXME04034; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e501c347eb$b8144a50$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <40FF7F48-B3DC-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:33:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your mother has a feedback control. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: What loopers have feedback control? > OK. DD-20 doesn't have it. What loopers do? > > I know the EDP and Repeater both have it. JamMan too. Is there > anything else? What about the Boomerang? All I want is basically the > functionality of the DL-4's looper but the ability to control feedback. > Why is this so hard? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 17:08:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BL6jq07397; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:06:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:06:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:06:37 -0700 Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00e501c347eb$b8144a50$520cfc0c@amd> Message-Id: <8F3F1DCA-B3E3-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo mamma's so fat she's responsible for the bump at the Repeater's loop point. On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 01:33 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > Your mother has a feedback control. > > -J > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:14 PM > Subject: What loopers have feedback control? > > >> OK. DD-20 doesn't have it. What loopers do? >> >> I know the EDP and Repeater both have it. JamMan too. Is there >> anything else? What about the Boomerang? All I want is basically the >> functionality of the DL-4's looper but the ability to control >> feedback. >> Why is this so hard? >> >> Mark >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 17:21:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BLH8j08629; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:17:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:16:27 -0700 Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8F3F1DCA-B3E3-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-v7GE.A.sGC.UlyD_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yo mamas so fat-she was on the corner and the cops came by and said 'ok,break it up'! > Yo mamma's so fat she's responsible for the bump at the Repeater's loop > point. > > On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 01:33 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >> Your mother has a feedback control. >> >> -J >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:14 PM >> Subject: What loopers have feedback control? >> >> >>> OK. DD-20 doesn't have it. What loopers do? >>> >>> I know the EDP and Repeater both have it. JamMan too. Is there >>> anything else? What about the Boomerang? All I want is basically the >>> functionality of the DL-4's looper but the ability to control >>> feedback. >>> Why is this so hard? >>> >>> Mark >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 17:31:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BLTcv09913; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:30:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dream Looping Mixer X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > whats a 'mixer'? Vermouth? -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 17:34:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BLTaX09882; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:29:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:30:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <00bb01c347ea$66338e40$520cfc0c@amd> References: <40FF7F48-B3DC-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <00bb01c347ea$66338e40$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse, > A Boomerang has feedback control But not on the fly. You have to stop the loop and and press a few buttons to change the feedback setting. Right? -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 17:55:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BLoqX12128; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:50:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ray9356@aol.com Message-ID: <42.3a666b3e.2c408b2f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:50:39 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.3a666b3e.2c408b2f_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_42.3a666b3e.2c408b2f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do i ? dont make music anymore --part1_42.3a666b3e.2c408b2f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
how do i ? dont make music anymore --part1_42.3a666b3e.2c408b2f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 17:59:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BLwAN12805; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010101c347f7$d8a39800$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <42.3a666b3e.2c408b2f@aol.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:00:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray9356@aol.com >how do i ? dont make music anymore You have to pay each of us $10 and then we'll let you off. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 19:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BNJI119249; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:19:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:19:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:23:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <010101c347f7$d8a39800$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <42.3a666b3e.2c408b2f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2003 23:19:16.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[D94BBDE0:01C34802] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 23:00 11/07/03 , you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ray9356@aol.com > >>how do i ? dont make music anymore > >You have to pay each of us $10 and then we'll let you off. Yeah, at least! > > >* David Beardsley >* microtonal guitar >* http://biink.com/db > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 19:36:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6BNWV120605; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:32:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c34804$a2660590$7900a8c0@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: Subject: Re: Dream Looping Mixer Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:32:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > whats a 'mixer'? > > Vermouth? Man, it's Friday, isn't it? FYI, I had a bit of serendipity this afternoon, and walked into the music store to find one of these on floor-model closeout for $150 (about half price): http://www.rolls.com/new/rm68.html Pretty much exactly what I was looking for in an input mixer / splitter -- 6 stereo ins (3 of which include both powered XLR and stereo RCA inputs), split to two discreet zones, each with its own level & 2-band eq. Best of all, each of the six channels has a 1-2-both three-way switch for easy assignment of inputs to the loop chain, main out, or both. Pretty much exactly the submixer I was looking for, and it fits in one rack space :-) So, until I head to the next level of geeked-outedness, this looks like the perfect "mixer" for me... cheers, gene From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 20:20:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C0IWg25283; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:18:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:18:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:15:55 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: unsubscribe In-reply-to: <010101c347f7$d8a39800$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00d301c3480a$c375b590$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $10 to get me off? that's pretty cheap... instructions to unsub are at loopersdelight.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ray9356@aol.com > > >how do i ? dont make music anymore > > You have to pay each of us $10 and then we'll let you off. > > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 20:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C0Ikf25333; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:18:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:18:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:18:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Dream Looping Mixer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003401c34804$a2660590$7900a8c0@BARNEY> Message-Id: <63697D73-B3FE-11D7-B90A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'll add some features to this mixer: Give it an audio looping function. How about a effects processor while your at it. Nothing too crazy. Think JamMan for the looper, Vortex for the effects. Put it on the floor. Give it roller pots like the Boomerang for each channel. 8 stereo inputs. A switch next to each pot could control whether or not it's volume or send. Have some aux send and returns as well for other outboard gear. That's what I want. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 04:32 PM, Gene Ehrbar wrote: >>> whats a 'mixer'? >> >> Vermouth? > > > Man, it's Friday, isn't it? > > FYI, I had a bit of serendipity this afternoon, and walked into the > music > store to find one of these on floor-model closeout for $150 (about half > price): > > http://www.rolls.com/new/rm68.html > > Pretty much exactly what I was looking for in an input mixer / > splitter -- 6 > stereo ins (3 of which include both powered XLR and stereo RCA inputs), > split to two discreet zones, each with its own level & 2-band eq. > Best of > all, each of the six channels has a 1-2-both three-way switch for easy > assignment of inputs to the loop chain, main out, or both. Pretty much > exactly the submixer I was looking for, and it fits in one rack space > :-) > > So, until I head to the next level of geeked-outedness, this looks > like the > perfect "mixer" for me... > > cheers, > gene > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 20:45:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C0hiv27213; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:43:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:43:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Dream Looping Mixer Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:43:30 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000f01c3480e$9f669cb0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <63697D73-B3FE-11D7-B90A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5cGmpC.A.EpG._m1D_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > OK, I'll add some features to this mixer: > > Give it an audio looping function. How about a effects > processor while > your at it. Nothing too crazy. Think JamMan for the looper, Vortex > for the effects. Put it on the floor. Give it roller pots like the > Boomerang for each channel. 8 stereo inputs. A switch next to each > pot could control whether or not it's volume or send. Have some aux > send and returns as well for other outboard gear. > > That's what I want. > > Mark Sottilaro We were playing here at the Stockholm Electronica 2003 festival, for mainly deejays and dance music producers. Theese guys were very skilled with those DJ mixers and after our live looping gig we had a lot of discussion on how cool it would be if DJ mixers also had sync and midi. Your describtion/wish above is quite similar to a DJ mixer ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 21:10:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C169r28876; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:06:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:06:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:06:02 -0700 Subject: More DD-20 questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000f01c3480e$9f669cb0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: <01CE37B7-B405-11D7-B90A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, what if I took a DD-20 and used it in delay mode in the effect loop of a mixer. I could tap out a say 15 sec delay and put it on 100% feedback while I was building up a nice ambient loop. Then, when I no longer wanted to add to the loop, I could turn down my send to 0. Loop continues and I play over it. Then when I'm ready for the loop to start changing again, I bring the feedback down to say 50% and bring my send up to 100%. When I hear something I like, I bring the feedback up to 100% and turn down the send again. This would work, wouldn't it? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 21:15:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C1AUl29304; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:10:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:10:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c34813$1a157c20$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <42.3a666b3e.2c408b2f@aol.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:15:37 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-MPkHB.A.wJH.FA2D_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 23:00 11/07/03 , you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Ray9356@aol.com > > > >>how do i ? dont make music anymore > > > >You have to pay each of us $10 and then we'll let you off. > > > Yeah, at least! Definitely - If he's not making music anymore he probably has money now... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 21:35:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C1XmW30837; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c34815$afa057e0$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <40FF7F48-B3DC-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <00bb01c347ea$66338e40$520cfc0c@amd> Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:34:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I guess you're right. I just remember Jimmy George telling me that he had his Boomerang set to gradually fade things down. I guess the little roller thingy for your foot is just a volume control. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Petersen" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? > Jesse, > > > A Boomerang has feedback control > > But not on the fly. You have to stop the loop and and press a few > buttons to change the feedback setting. Right? > > Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 21:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C1gpI31571; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030711194943.019d4ca0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:49:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? In-Reply-To: <8F3F1DCA-B3E3-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <00e501c347eb$b8144a50$520cfc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -and I'm the idiot, for emoticons?! lollollol! Smiles, Cara At 02:06 PM 7/11/03 -0700, you wrote: >Yo mamma's so fat she's responsible for the bump at the Repeater's loop >point. > >On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 01:33 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >> Your mother has a feedback control. >> >> -J >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:14 PM >> Subject: What loopers have feedback control? >> >> >>> OK. DD-20 doesn't have it. What loopers do? >>> >>> I know the EDP and Repeater both have it. JamMan too. Is there >>> anything else? What about the Boomerang? All I want is basically the >>> functionality of the DL-4's looper but the ability to control >>> feedback. >>> Why is this so hard? >>> >>> Mark >>> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 21:51:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C1mbv31949; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:48:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:47:05 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: What loopers have feedback control? In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20030711194943.019d4ca0@pop.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e401c34817$7fb1eb00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and how'd you get to be goddess, anyway? i didn't vote for you... now we see the violence inherent in the system! help! help! i'm being repressed! > > -and I'm the idiot, for emoticons?! lollollol! > > Smiles, > > Cara > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 21:56:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C1sC232323; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030711200106.007d3100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:01:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? In-Reply-To: <8F3F1DCA-B3E3-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <00e501c347eb$b8144a50$520cfc0c@amd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -and yes, I'm laughing maniacally right now this very minute! lol! -Jeez, I'm intelligent and enjoy life at the same time! woohoo!, the horror! lol! -can't have that now, can we?... -Guess I'd better be grumpy most of the time, -like some here, so people I've never met will think I know something. I think that says alot, but not about me... Smiles, Cara At 02:06 PM 7/11/03 -0700, you wrote: >Yo mamma's so fat she's responsible for the bump at the Repeater's loop >point. > >On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 01:33 PM, Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > >> Your mother has a feedback control. >> >> -J >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:14 PM >> Subject: What loopers have feedback control? >> >> >>> OK. DD-20 doesn't have it. What loopers do? >>> >>> I know the EDP and Repeater both have it. JamMan too. Is there >>> anything else? What about the Boomerang? All I want is basically the >>> functionality of the DL-4's looper but the ability to control >>> feedback. >>> Why is this so hard? >>> >>> Mark >>> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 22:16:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C2F4P01109; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030711202155.019d62d0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:21:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: it's me again... In-Reply-To: <65281C99-B3C4-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20030711104640.009c0b30@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, with all due respect, if a few lol's or is all it takes for you to form some negative opinion of me, then guess what, YOU CAN KEEP IT! Seriously, if ya wanna' think of me that way, then yer' perfectly welcome to do so. The fact is, I write like I speak. So yes, I laugh alot, and smile alot. -and if that's a problem, it's yours. -enjoy it. The last time I checked, I wasn't breaking any list rules at all, in fact, I bust my ass to help people out on this list, yourself included, with everything under the sun. I definitely have a way about me, and anyone who has met me, or knows me, can vouch for that. -and yupp, I really did just smile when I wrote that. -honestly... So, feel free to go on with the sarcasm, I just got bored of letting it slide, that's all. I suggest you use your energy for more important things. What kinds of musical techniques do you employ in a typical piece? What's a day in the life like? so to speak? How do you varry your looping pieces? Do you have a favorite one you play? Why?... Have a great weekend, K? Smiles, Cara At 10:23 AM 7/11/03 -0700, you wrote: >I don't hate you Cara. I can still feel good in you... As a matter of >fact, when I can mentally strip out all the lols and you're >really intelligent and an amazing contributer to this list. Not to >mention a great musician and looper. > >It's just that when you put the lols and smiles after every sentence >they loose all meaning and become noise. To be honest, they make you >sound like an idiot, and you're not. Sure a good emoticon or >tag after a sarcastic quip (I wouldn't know anything about those >) can be useful, but when I read your posts I imagine you >sitting laughing manically at everything you say. Are you really >laughing out loud after you write every sentence? Save them for the >right moment and they'll be so potent. Think of it like a guitar >technique. If you did a wammy-bar dive bomb after every single line it >would get really annoying to listen to after a while. Put it after a >smoking line every now and then and its totally cool. > >Plus, your not my father and I'll never join you! > >Let's see what changes have happened to my kit (I love that term! I >picked it up reading Future Music. Those Brits) > >Traded my Line6 Echo Pro to Mark Hamburg for his E-MU PlanetEarth. > >The PlanetEarth sounds were so impressive I sold my Roland MC-307 to >get a E-MU XL-7 Command Station. I liked the Command Station so much I >sold my Behringer V-Amp and Yamaha DJXII plus a few vintage watches I >had and got a few more ROMs for it (Beat Garden and Protozoa) > >Then I said, "Hmmm all this is nice, but my Roland PC-300 MIDI >controller feels like cheese-wheat-bacon and beans. Sold that and a >Roland SPD-6 to fund the purchase of a Novation ReMote25. Killer MIDI >controller, I must say. Never could get the hang of that drum pad. >Having a keyboard and the pads of the XL-7 let me do really cool single >note trills that I couldn't normally do with just the XL-7. Nice. > >Now I have an issue that the XL-7's aux outputs (that are going into >the Repeater) are dry only. Maybe a Lexicon MPX-110 might wet those up >a bit. Any ideas? Good cheap multi-effect processor? I like my >MPX-1, but just for this I don't need anything nearly that elaborate. > >Now I have a gig coming up that's a small festival type of thing and I >have no looper for my mini rig. The Echo-pro was cool, but something >on the floor might be better. I'm thinking of maybe the Boss DD-20 but >I'm not sure if it will let me loop and control feedback at the same >time. Hard to tell from the stuff I found out there and Roland/Boss >doesn't publish it's manuals. Anyone have experience with this box? >Damn, I'd love to have my old JamMan back for such things. > >And that's my story. > >Mark Sottilaro > > >On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Goddess wrote: > >> Take your Looper weapon, -strike me down with it... -feel your >> hatred... >> >> At 09:13 PM 7/10/03 -0700, you wrote: >>> Can't take it... must control self... >>> >>> On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Goddess wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Mark, thanks for the warm welcome back! lol lol so, >>>> lollol! >>>> how many pieces of kit have you gone through from the time that I >>>> unsubbed, >>>> 'til now? lol! -just curious... >>>> >>>> Smiles, >>>> >>>> Cara >>>> >>>> At 11:14 PM 7/8/03 -0700, you wrote: >>>>> Welcome back LOL Hope you're having a super time! >>>>> Loop on! lol Ya hear!? >>>>> >>>>> have a great everything! >>>>> >>>>> Mark Sottilaro >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 10:21 PM, Goddess wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, it's me again, -just as blonde, egotistical and loopy as >>>>>> ever! >>>>>> I thought y'all might have missed me, so I thought I'd >>>>>> come >>>>>> back >>>>>> and bother ya a little. lol! -Hope everyone's doing >>>>>> well. >>>>>> -Just reading through some of the msgs I missed. Talk with ya >>>>>> soon, >>>>>> have a >>>>>> great evening!... >>>>>> >>>>>> Smiles, >>>>>> >>>>>> Cara >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> >>>>>> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >>>>>> eachother. >>>>>> -Then, anything is possible..." >>>>>> >>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >>>>>> >>>>>> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >>>>>> >>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >>>> eachother. >>>> -Then, anything is possible..." >>>> >>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >>>> >>>> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >>>> >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >>>> >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >> eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 22:26:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C2KML01418; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:20:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:20:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030711202716.009c8a40@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:27:16 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: it's me again... In-Reply-To: <003f01c347d4$32d20790$520cfc0c@amd> References: <65281C99-B3C4-11D7-A5F3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <23-a9D.A.BW.mB3D_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Jesse, but normal?! PLEEEEEZ! lol! Smiles, Cara At 11:45 AM 7/11/03 -0600, you wrote: >I have met Cara in person and she is normal. No maniacal cackling when she >communicates. She's just got the emoticon disease. > >Mark's right, emoticons lose their meaning when applied too liberally. > >And he's right again that Cara is an EDP ninja. She uses it very fluidly. >She certainly helped me to expand my concept of the EDP when I went down for >a visit, and I have totally stolen her FCB1010 DirectMIDI command layouts >for the EDP. Thanks, Cara! > >But other than those two small things, Mark is not right about anything he >says -- especially when he disagrees with me -- so don't listen to him. >Actually, Kim and I have been secretly collaborating on a script to go >through the LD list archive and remove all his posts, since they are filled >with so much deceit and disinformation. ;) > >-J > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mark" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:23 AM >Subject: Re: it's me again... > > >> It's just that when you put the lols and smiles after every sentence >> they loose all meaning and become noise. To be honest, they make you >> sound like an idiot, and you're not. Sure a good emoticon or >> tag after a sarcastic quip (I wouldn't know anything about those >> ) can be useful, but when I read your posts I imagine you >> sitting laughing manically at everything you say. Are you really >> laughing out loud after you write every sentence? > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 23:13:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C3BVW05124; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:11:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:11:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:11:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Dream Looping Mixer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000f01c3480e$9f669cb0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: <88EDFA05-B416-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3IxRjD.A.8PB.jx3D_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that's what the Repeater was originally supposed to do but got marketed wrong. Probably a lot of disagreements at Electrix as to what it should do. It did get close though. Imagine a DJ mixer with an on board Repeater. Very cool I must say. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 05:43 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> OK, I'll add some features to this mixer: >> >> Give it an audio looping function. How about a effects >> processor while >> your at it. Nothing too crazy. Think JamMan for the looper, Vortex >> for the effects. Put it on the floor. Give it roller pots like the >> Boomerang for each channel. 8 stereo inputs. A switch next to each >> pot could control whether or not it's volume or send. Have some aux >> send and returns as well for other outboard gear. >> >> That's what I want. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > > We were playing here at the Stockholm Electronica 2003 festival, for > mainly deejays and dance music producers. Theese guys were very skilled > with those DJ mixers and after our live looping gig we had a lot of > discussion on how cool it would be if DJ mixers also had sync and midi. > Your describtion/wish above is quite similar to a DJ mixer ;-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 11 23:37:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C3a0407807; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:36:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <028201c34827$8abe2f30$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <496B0620-B3AC-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:41:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8MexSC.A.35B.gI4D_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) > On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 05:16 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > I have to wonder though, how many people left the building in between > > those interesting moments :) > > > > I guess it depends on the content that's out of sync. > > Well, no one left the building because I was doing this in my home. I > don't even let my cats out. However, I've seen Matt Davignon play with > two delay pedals unsynced to audiences that watched with baited breath. > > Not only does it depend on the content, it depends on the audience. > Some venues attract an audience with more open minds than others. > You're right though, if you were to try the same thing in most college > bars on a friday night you're not going to do that well. > > On the other hand, if I heard someone trying to loop pop or classic > rock tunes with a Repeater, I'd be out of that club faster than you > could say "Whole Lot Of Love." Snore. Not for me. Different > strokes... So YOU are the one... I guess I should have lurked here before I exposed what I do with looping and the have the court of loopers-delight opinions convict me of bozodom. I'm not a looping act though. I'm a solo pop music act that wants to do somethign different than most other folks WITHOUT being a Kareoke act. I did do some interesting stuff tonight with my RC-20 and some funky echo settings on my new SPD-S and using an Ebow to put a bunch of guitar layers down. I need to get the hang of that, but it should be fun once I do. Paul > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 00:30:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C4S4412370; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Clownishness Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:28:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <028201c34827$8abe2f30$0600a8c0@money2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everbody-- I am using this new mailbox, but it's the same old clown--Gary Lehmann-- Mark Sottilaro will be very disappointed when he hears me loop "On the Road Again" with equipment better suited to space music. Hey, whatever floats your boat . . . As regards Cara, I visited her in Colorado and I feel a real kinship with her--we didn't really have time to play, but she gave me a copy of her EP, and we shared tea and lunch. She is both playful and earnest, as her postings reflect . . . I would like to direct some energy toward the Santa Cruz festival loosely planned for the fall, after Rick Walker recovers from going Euromad. Is it possible that we can make this bigger than last year? Keepin' it live, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 00:53:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C4pas14498; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:51:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:51:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:55:51 -0500 Subject: Re: More DD-20 questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: James Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01CE37B7-B405-11D7-B90A-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <1CA8C6EE-B425-11D7-AA75-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 08:06 PM, mark wrote: > OK, what if I took a DD-20 and used it in delay mode in the effect > loop of a mixer. I could tap out a say 15 sec delay and put it on > 100% feedback while I was building up a nice ambient loop. Then, when > I no longer wanted to add to the loop, I could turn down my send to 0. > Loop continues and I play over it. Then when I'm ready for the loop > to start changing again, I bring the feedback down to say 50% and > bring my send up to 100%. When I hear something I like, I bring the > feedback up to 100% and turn down the send again. This would work, > wouldn't it? yes, but i'd bet you'd get lots of noise build-up, though. i'd use the input volume on the unit if i could. if it has one. i'm currently looping with a PCM-80, and i have to be careful with the noise thing on that as well. the input gate on the EDP was quite a genius move. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 00:58:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C4ulA14837; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:56:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:56:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:56:36 EDT Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e6.3b3cda59.2c40ef04_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e6.3b3cda59.2c40ef04_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/03 4:15:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > . What loopers do? > rang.....several leels of "feedback' --part1_e6.3b3cda59.2c40ef04_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/11/0= 3 4:15:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


.  What loopers do?


rang.....several leels of "feedback' --part1_e6.3b3cda59.2c40ef04_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 01:08:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C56U515479; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:06:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.170ef5fa.2c40f14d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:06:21 EDT Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a7.170ef5fa.2c40f14d_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a7.170ef5fa.2c40f14d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/03 5:30:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, iep@mail.dk writes: > You have to stop the loop and and press a few > buttons to change the feedback setting. well yes, but you can set this up before you start looping.....ain't no biggie.....fast fade, slower fade, you got it all, even NO FADE.....can't change it on the fly but you got a nice range of attenuation to play with.....built for luddites, the RANG!.....michael --part1_1a7.170ef5fa.2c40f14d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/11/0= 3 5:30:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, iep@mail.dk writes:


You have to stop the loop and a= nd press a few
buttons to change the feedback setting.


well yes, but you can set this up before you start looping.....ain't no bigg= ie.....fast fade, slower fade, you got it all, even NO FADE.....can't change= it on the fly but you got a nice range of attenuation to play with.....buil= t for luddites, the RANG!.....michael --part1_1a7.170ef5fa.2c40f14d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 01:16:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C59at15808; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:09:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.1f8949e0.2c40f206@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:09:26 EDT Subject: Re: Dream Looping Mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4c.1f8949e0.2c40f206_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4c.1f8949e0.2c40f206_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/03 8:18:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > OK, I'll add some features to this mixer: > well spoken mark!.....michael --part1_4c.1f8949e0.2c40f206_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/11/0= 3 8:18:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


OK, I'll add some features to t= his mixer:


well spoken mark!.....michael --part1_4c.1f8949e0.2c40f206_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 01:24:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C5MLl16890; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:22:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:22:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:22:08 EDT Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ac.4400a13e.2c40f500_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ac.4400a13e.2c40f500_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/03 9:34:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlucas@neoprimitive.net writes: > I guess the little > roller thingy for your foot is just a volume control. > yes, but if you use both outs (on the rang there are 2) i send one into my air -fx then into my mackie 1202 the other is a clean loop signal straight into the mackie, this is the loop effected by the roller, the other has to be delt with at the mixer.....lots can happen in this setup.....if you have never messed with a rang give it a shot, its a great box.....michael --part1_ac.4400a13e.2c40f500_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/11/0= 3 9:34:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlucas@neoprimitive.net writes:


I guess the little
roller thingy for your foot is just a volume control.


yes, but if you use both outs (on the rang there are 2) i send one into my a= ir -fx then into my mackie 1202 the other is a clean loop signal straight in= to the mackie, this is the loop effected by the roller, the other has to be=20= delt with at the mixer.....lots can happen in this setup.....if you have nev= er messed with a rang give it a shot, its a great box.....michael --part1_ac.4400a13e.2c40f500_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 01:34:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C5Wt617741; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:32:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030712053248.24730.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030710185332.02a7a720@spamarrest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 03:43 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Tim Nelson wrote: > > >I'm not able to buy anything in the neighborhood of > a > >$witchblade, and have been trying to do this with > A/B > >boxes and splitters. You might want to check this out.. http://www.loooper.com/loooper.html It looks like you can get one with a series/parallel toggle switch. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 01:41:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C5dcK18270; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:39:31 EDT Subject: Re: Clownishness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9.3595a526.2c40f913_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c9.3595a526.2c40f913_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/03 12:28:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: > Is it > possible that we can make this bigger than last year? > gary.....i'll be there! even though you never made it to PITTSBURGH!.....bigger?, i just dont know.....i hope MR EURO WALKER still has a place in his heart for the clowns.....michael --part1_c9.3595a526.2c40f913_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/12/0= 3 12:28:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes:

Is it
possible that we can make this bigger than last year?


gary.....i'll be there! even though you never made it to PITTSBURGH!.....big= ger?, i just dont know.....i hope MR EURO WALKER still has a place in his he= art for the clowns.....michael --part1_c9.3595a526.2c40f913_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 01:57:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C5u0W19288; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:56:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:56:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <056301c348d0$d63e9950$05a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <42.3a666b3e.2c408b2f@aol.com> Subject: "don't make music anymore" -- was: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:53:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_055E_01C348D9.36B76E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_055E_01C348D9.36B76E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "how do i ? dont make music anymore" how does this happen? how does one go about simply "not making music = anymore"? have that section of the brain removed? i'm totally serious...if i had no intruments, no mouth, no limbs, etc. = i'd still be making music...in my head, where it all begins. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_055E_01C348D9.36B76E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"how do i ? dont make music = anymore"
 
how does this happen?  how does one go about = simply "not=20 making music anymore"?  have that section of the brain=20 removed?
 
i'm totally serious...if i had no intruments, no = mouth, no=20 limbs, etc. i'd still be making music...in my head, where it all=20 begins.
 
-jim
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_055E_01C348D9.36B76E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 02:02:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C61Bi19793; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: "don't make music anymore" -- was: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:01:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <056301c348d0$d63e9950$05a44a43@g0wn7> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- jimfowler wondered about "how do i ? dont make music anymore" was: unsubscribe how does this happen? how does one go about simply "not making music anymore"? have that section of the brain removed? i'm totally serious...if i had no intruments, no mouth, no limbs, etc. i'd still be making music...in my head, where it all begins. -jim I agree--there's more going on with the radio off! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 05:21:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C9DF831673; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:13:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Clownishness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0DD16EA5-B449-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:28 PM, Relay wrote: > > Mark Sottilaro will be very disappointed when he hears me loop "On the > Road Again" with equipment better suited to space music. Hey, > whatever floats your boat . . . Exactly. I never said that was bad, just not my bag. It was after Paul Sanders remarked that it wasn't possible that anything good sounding could come of two out of synced loopers. I was just trying to illustrate that there are many different definitions of "good." > As regards Cara, I visited her in Colorado and I feel a real kinship > with her--we didn't really have time to play, but she gave me a copy > of her EP, and we shared tea and lunch. She is both playful and > earnest, as her postings reflect . . . I have absolutely nothing against Cara, except that it's really hard to get through any of her posts for me. Kind of like a freeway with speedbumps. For example: I'm trying to find a looper. I feel good. I want the looper to have at least 10 sec of memory. I'm happy. I'd also like it to have variable feedback while in looping mode. I'm feeing really good. But I can't seem to find it. I'm content and relaxed. Does anyone know of a product that does this. I'm happy. > I would like to direct some energy toward the Santa Cruz festival > loosely planned for the fall, I'm up for that. I think this year I'll take the proper time to spend down there instead of rushing right back because it's only a few hours away. Last year I missed a lot. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 05:21:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6C9Fd831805; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:15:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:15:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:15:38 -0700 Subject: Re: What loopers have feedback control? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1a7.170ef5fa.2c40f14d@aol.com> Message-Id: <673615D6-B449-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah, won't work. My point is I want to be able to choose between a long fade out or a shorter fade out. Not putting the Boomerang down, just not what I want. What I want is obviously 2 EDPs for $300. Not in the cards as Mr. Powers says. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 10:06 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/11/03 5:30:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > iep@mail.dk writes: > > > You have to stop the loop and and press a few > buttons to change the feedback setting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 08:20:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CCF9u08668; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030712121503.17196.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:15:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <028201c34827$8abe2f30$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Sanders wrote: > I guess I should have lurked here before I exposed > what I do with looping > and the have the court of loopers-delight opinions > convict me of bozodom. > > I'm not a looping act though. I'm a solo pop music > act that wants to do > somethign different than most other folks WITHOUT > being a Kareoke act. Well, if you'd lurked even longer, you'd probably see it all come full circle and realize you're not alone! As Kim points out on a regular basis, folks are using looping gear in many, many styles of music. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 08:28:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CCQZY09364; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:26:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: "Markus Reuter" Subject: BerlinLivelooping improv Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:31:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: GQTuUkZvoeMgXgeBSrXjNyG2UJA3P+4d6keqWtEE15CU5KtpXxhbkn@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just added a 30 minute realaudio clip of a Berlin Livelooping evening collective improvisation to the photos page. More will follow. http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/berlinloop = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 08:47:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CCeqU10085; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:40:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:40:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030712124046.17045.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030712053248.24730.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Tidwell wrote: > You might want to check this out.. > > http://www.loooper.com/loooper.html > > It looks like you can get one with a series/parallel > toggle switch. That's closer to what I'm thinking of EXCEPT their parallel option still sums the signal back together within the pedal. I'm currently using the two devices separately on either side of a stereo signal, so when I try to wire in a mono, series option I'm getting all of the expected signal loss, loading, phase, etc. problems one might expect. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 09:45:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CDhJW13551; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:43:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:43:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: BerlinLivelooping improv Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:43:07 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002401c3487b$874020d0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > > I've just added a 30 minute realaudio clip of a Berlin > Livelooping evening collective improvisation to the photos > page. More will follow. http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/berlinloop Excellent, Michael! Listening to the clip while watching all those pictures is very nice! I felt almost like being in the audience :-) I like the "I can't understand" part very much. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 10:01:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CDvuT14655; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:57:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.164.47] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: "Reflector Loopers-Delight" Subject: GIG SPAM: Fractal in San Francisco, Sat July 12th Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:57:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:57:43 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2003 13:57:49.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[949F3700:01C3487D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings to all, (I used to be on the list a long time ago, then 'fell off' - I recently resubscribed so getting back into matters of looposity now) Just wanted to advertise that my band Fractal will be playing tonight at Pat O'Shea's Mad Hatter in San Francisco. We're on late (midnite-ish). Details can be found at our website, http://www.fractal-continuum.com We are a three-piece instrumental rock outfit, and all utilize some amount of looping as part of the approach. For a quick impression, http://www.mp3.com/fractal_ (please include the underscore;-) has a few tracks. Thanks for the time, and perhaps see some of you there, Nic Roozeboom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 10:07:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CE4Ts15106; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:04:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030712053248.24730.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Will Brake" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, Um, no. Wrong. The device you provided a link for is to bypass an effect device completely. Great to avoid tone suck, not so great to run your effects in series/parallel. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 1:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes > At 03:43 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Tim Nelson wrote: > > >I'm not able to buy anything in the neighborhood of > a > >$witchblade, and have been trying to do this with > A/B > >boxes and splitters. You might want to check this out.. http://www.loooper.com/loooper.html It looks like you can get one with a series/parallel toggle switch. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 10:07:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CE5qt15329; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:05:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:05:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02aa01c3487f$88a929e0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <20030712121503.17196.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:11:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7_EZ0.A.YvD._WBE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) > --- Paul Sanders wrote: > > I guess I should have lurked here before I exposed > > what I do with looping > > and the have the court of loopers-delight opinions > > convict me of bozodom. > > > > I'm not a looping act though. I'm a solo pop music > > act that wants to do > > somethign different than most other folks WITHOUT > > being a Kareoke act. > > Well, if you'd lurked even longer, you'd probably see > it all come full circle and realize you're not alone! > As Kim points out on a regular basis, folks are using > looping gear in many, many styles of music. Oh, well, OK then. You mean just because Mark doesn't like watching acts like mine I don't have to sell all my looper gear and just stick with one guitar/one vocal??? :) lol lol lol lol lol > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 10:08:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CE6tt15472; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Clownishness Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:06:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <0DD16EA5-B449-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Will Brake" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It appears this whole list is full of petty arguments/discussions about a number of thing totally unrelated to looping. Mark, if you don't like the way someone posts, don't read it. Pretty simple, no? BTW, I'm happy...:) Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Clownishness On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:28 PM, Relay wrote: > > Mark Sottilaro will be very disappointed when he hears me loop "On the > Road Again" with equipment better suited to space music. Hey, > whatever floats your boat . . . Exactly. I never said that was bad, just not my bag. It was after Paul Sanders remarked that it wasn't possible that anything good sounding could come of two out of synced loopers. I was just trying to illustrate that there are many different definitions of "good." > As regards Cara, I visited her in Colorado and I feel a real kinship > with her--we didn't really have time to play, but she gave me a copy > of her EP, and we shared tea and lunch. She is both playful and > earnest, as her postings reflect . . . I have absolutely nothing against Cara, except that it's really hard to get through any of her posts for me. Kind of like a freeway with speedbumps. For example: I'm trying to find a looper. I feel good. I want the looper to have at least 10 sec of memory. I'm happy. I'd also like it to have variable feedback while in looping mode. I'm feeing really good. But I can't seem to find it. I'm content and relaxed. Does anyone know of a product that does this. I'm happy. > I would like to direct some energy toward the Santa Cruz festival > loosely planned for the fall, I'm up for that. I think this year I'll take the proper time to spend down there instead of rushing right back because it's only a few hours away. Last year I missed a lot. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 10:11:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CE9pU15929; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:09:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02b301c34880$1730be30$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <0DD16EA5-B449-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Clownishness Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:15:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:13 AM Subject: Re: Clownishness > On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:28 PM, Relay wrote: > > > > Mark Sottilaro will be very disappointed when he hears me loop "On the > > Road Again" with equipment better suited to space music. Hey, > > whatever floats your boat . . . > > Exactly. I never said that was bad, just not my bag. It was after > Paul Sanders remarked that it wasn't possible that anything good > sounding could come of two out of synced loopers. I was just trying to > illustrate that there are many different definitions of "good." Hey now, I followed that comment up with a qualification that some types of content will work fine with unsync'd loopers. That was after I realized that most looping folks are doing something much more original that what I'm doing with my looper. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 10:14:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CECp716186; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:12:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:12:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02bb01c34880$8294cef0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: "don't make music anymore" -- was: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:18:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 2:01 AM Subject: RE: "don't make music anymore" -- was: unsubscribe > > -----Original Message----- > jimfowler wondered about "how do i ? dont make music anymore" was: > unsubscribe > > how does this happen? how does one go about simply "not making music > anymore"? have that section of the brain removed? > > i'm totally serious...if i had no intruments, no mouth, no limbs, etc. i'd > still be making music...in my head, where it all begins. Well, and as long as you've got a bung hole, you can make music there too! Da da da da daaaaaaa ... Da da da da daaaaaaa ... . . Sorry, I couldn't resist. I a little "loopy" this morning after a tiring gig last night... and getting ready to do an afternoon gig today...brutal. Paul > > -jim > > I agree--there's more going on with the radio off! > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 10:43:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CEeab18438; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:40:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c34883$66cc3340$b61e93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: Clownishness to will Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:39:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will can you turn off the receipt confirmation in your outlook please (in the tool menu) merci Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 10:53:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CEmQl19034; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:48:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:48:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: Read Receipt (Turn it off please) Wil Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:47:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c34884$974573a0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <004c01c34883$66cc3340$b61e93d4@black> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you would turn it off please From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 11:28:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CFQks21506; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: "don't make music anymore" -- was: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:26:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <02bb01c34880$8294cef0$0600a8c0@money2> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, and as long as you've got a bung hole, you can make music there too! Da da da da daaaaaaa ... Da da da da daaaaaaa ... Uh oh--smells like the "Brown Danube" in here . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 11:36:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CFUgh21942; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:30:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:30:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:31:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Behringer fcb1010 and ART quadraverb? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <3F1037E9.627.155019@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200307121408.h6CE8Zg15731@hemlock.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use an ART quadraFX to process my jamman loops. I have recently bought a behringer FCB1010 midi controller with two continous controllers, which I'm trying to use to alter parameters on the Quadra FX. I find the manual doesn't go into enough detail - I can set up one parameter control, but when I try to set up the second, it forgets the first. I'm following the instructions as best I can! Can anyone helpon the precise sequence of actions to set up two parameter changes? I realise this isn't 100% on topic, but I hope someone can help... One of my bands will be performing Terry Riley's "In C" in London soon, using a Zyklus midi looper and live looped guitar - should be fun! Many thanks... All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 11:42:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CFf9a22660; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:41:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:41:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:42:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: behringer fcb10-10 and quadra FX users anywhere? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <3F103A5C.5334.1EE203@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi - I use an ART quadraFX to process my jamman loops. I have recently bought a behringer FCB1010 midi controller with two continous controllers, which I'm trying to use to alter parameters on the Quadra FX. I find the manual doesn't go into enough detail - I can set up one parameter control, but when I try to set up the second, it forgets the first. I'm following the instructions as best I can! Is there any more detailed reference on the web, especially on the precise sequence of actions to set up two parameter changes? BTW, my band Zyklus will be performing Rileys "In C" in London in a few months - should be fun! Many thanks... All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 11:59:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CFreO23976; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:53:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:53:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030712155334.40934.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_7rHH.A.f2F.E8CE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Will Brake wrote: > Um, no. Wrong. The device you provided a link for is > to bypass an effect device completely. I think he's talking about 'Custom Options', and there IS a parallel setup; looks like they'll build pretty much anything you want for a price. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 12:13:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CG6M024975; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:06:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:06:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:06:14 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c3488f$853a2790$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030712155334.40934.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahhem, well that's a horse of a different color. I'll remove my foot from my mouth now. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 11:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes --- Will Brake wrote: > Um, no. Wrong. The device you provided a link for is > to bypass an effect device completely. I think he's talking about 'Custom Options', and there IS a parallel setup; looks like they'll build pretty much anything you want for a price. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 13:03:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CH1Fg29729; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:01:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:01:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c34897$ec0de120$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Xeroid Entity Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:06:23 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <15M8CB.A.ZQH.a7DE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations to rik maclean for all his very dedicated work, as the *ping things* CD shop is thrilled to announce its one year anniversary! There are quite a number of items on sale at http://www.pingthings.com to celebrate. Visit the site to find reduced prices on discs by Alpha Wave Movement, Aidan Baker, Deep Chill Network, James Johnson, Spacenoiz and more... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 15th 2003 - Xeroid Entity Visiting the Ping from Nazareth, PA, Xeroid Entity is a trio of experienced electronic musicians: Howard Moscovitz, Greg Waltzer and Bill Fox. Their music is sometimes very relaxed and understated (similar to what is called space music) and othertimes is more energetic and a bit agressive. 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To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubcribe' in the e-mail body. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 13:18:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CHB1u30303; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:11:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:11:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:10:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <028201c34827$8abe2f30$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 08:41 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: > Re:footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) >> Not only does it depend on the content, it depends on the >> audience.Some venues attract an audience with more openminds than >> others. You're right though, if you were to try the same thing in >> most collegebars on a friday night you're not going to do that well. >> >> On the other hand, if I heard someone trying to loop pop or classic >> rock tunes with a Repeater, I'd be out of that club faster than you >> could say "Whole Lot Of Love." Snore. Not for me. Different >> strokes... > > So YOU are the one... > > I guess I should have lurked here before I exposed what I do with > looping and the have the court of loopers-delight opinions convict me > of bozodom. Did I write that you were a Bozo? I just said that classic rock wasn't really my bag... anymore. I grew up on the Beatles, Who, Bowie, etc. It's not that I don't like them, I've just had my fill of it. On the other hand, my friends and I went to an Irish pub in Berkeley, CA called Becketts a few weeks ago and there was a nice little transvestite singing Beatles and Simon and Garfunkel songs. We had a great time but we were mostly there to eat, drink and be social. (the guy had an EDP that he never seemed to use). If I'd seen the same guy at 21 Grand in Oakland I would have walked right out. As I said in my email, it's all context. A change in venue makes a big difference. > I'm not a looping act though. I'm a solo pop music act that wants to > do somethign different than most other folks WITHOUT being a Kareoke > act. My hats off to you. You're doing *something*. Most don't. In a world full of people who mainly worry about interest rates during the day and watch TV at night you're trying to go out and not be passive. Nice. > I did do some interesting stuff tonight with my RC-20 and some funky > echo settings on my new SPD-S and using an Ebow to put a bunch of > guitar layers down. That's more of what people here are into, but not totally. There's a big diversity in taste here. I only commented about what I thought about what you were doing in a negative light when you commented on what others were doing in a negative light. > I need to get the hang of that, but it should be fun once I do. Have fun! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 13:25:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CHL7E30910; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:21:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:21:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <02aa01c3487f$88a929e0$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: <386B7C14-B48D-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 07:11 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: >> Well, if you'd lurked even longer, you'd probably see >> it all come full circle and realize you're not alone! >> As Kim points out on a regular basis, folks are using >> looping gear in many, many styles of music. > > Oh, well, OK then. You mean just because Mark doesn't like watching > acts like mine I don't have to sell all my looper gear and just stick > with one guitar/one vocal??? > > :) > > lol lol lol lol lol > Exactly. Paul made a statement that implied an absolute about looping (can't do anything that doesn't sound like shit with two unsynced loopers) I just had to put forth a different opinion. Be careful with absolutes. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 13:31:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CHTrk31732; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:25:37 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) In-reply-to: <02aa01c3487f$88a929e0$0600a8c0@money2> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006001c3489a$9c165aa0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me too. lol > > Oh, well, OK then. You mean just because Mark doesn't like > watching acts like mine I don't have to sell all my looper > gear and just stick with one guitar/one vocal??? > > :) > > lol lol lol lol lol > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 14:17:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CI8kl03573; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:08:44 -0700 Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, amazing stuff! Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 05:31 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > I've just added a 30 minute realaudio clip of a Berlin Livelooping > evening > collective improvisation to the photos page. More will follow. > http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/berlinloop > > > = michael peters > = www.michaelpeters.de > = computer graphics + electronic music > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 14:33:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CIVd205798; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030712183133.31077.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:31:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3PyTWD.A.daB.LQFE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Wow, amazing stuff! >>...30 minute realaudio clip of a Berlin Livelooping >>evening collective improvisation >>http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/berlinloop Indeed! Just wish I could tell who's doing what! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 14:54:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CIqmw07745; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: BerlinLivelooping improv Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: <003501c348a6$c5600080$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030712183133.31077.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too true! Video would have been really nice. Maybe next time? Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 2:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Wow, amazing stuff! >>...30 minute realaudio clip of a Berlin Livelooping >>evening collective improvisation >>http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/berlinloop Indeed! Just wish I could tell who's doing what! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 15:39:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CJc4a11402; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:38:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:38:01 -0700 Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <597015DE-B4A0-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4-tPcC.A.ByC.cOGE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, the Real compression kind of sucks, but it made me think that a CD should be released of this. I'd buy it. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 05:31 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > I've just added a 30 minute realaudio clip of a Berlin Livelooping > evening > collective improvisation to the photos page. More will follow. > http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/berlinloop > > > = michael peters > = www.michaelpeters.de > = computer graphics + electronic music > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 16:03:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CK1kf13266; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:01:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:01:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <79.153b2d1c.2c41c31a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:01:30 EDT Subject: tea shirt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i will be way beyond "slick" sporting my new LD tea shirt.....they look great.....THANKS JASON.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 16:30:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CKSOP15954; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:28:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:28:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.213] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:26:57 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tea shirt X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030712.162752.22233.899822@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THANKS Too Jason! I luv the new tee! I got it just now and put it on, it's great! Thanks, Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 16:53:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CKnI218196; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030712145608.01a08100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:56:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Clownishness In-Reply-To: <0DD16EA5-B449-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, this is the last thing I'll say about this, since it's getting out of hand as far as I'm concerned, and quite honestly, I'm extraordinarily busy with modeling. So, Mark, yer' probably not going to see this, since, as you found it necessary to inform me privately last night, you're filtering my addy. good for you. but, do you ever stop?! I mean, leave it already! Not only did YOU, start this, but I engaged you or tried rather, in an intelligent dialogue about your looping, and you run away and filter me. WEll, so be it. But, for the record, I don't know you, have never met you, we exchanged a couple of msgs a few years back, when you were still in NY, and I have nothing against you. However, if you start mistreating me because you happen not to approve of some tiny words in a note, which are perfectly clean and nice, then I'll respond. Now, having said all that, if you do see this, I thought maybe we might actually get back on freakin' topic, and carry on a real conversation about what it is you do, so please feel free. -and please don't ever e-mail me privately again, unless you have something nice to say. K? Thanks very much... Smiles, Cara At 02:13 AM 7/12/03 -0700, you wrote: >On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:28 PM, Relay wrote: >> >> Mark Sottilaro will be very disappointed when he hears me loop "On the >> Road Again" with equipment better suited to space music. Hey, >> whatever floats your boat . . . > >Exactly. I never said that was bad, just not my bag. It was after >Paul Sanders remarked that it wasn't possible that anything good >sounding could come of two out of synced loopers. I was just trying to >illustrate that there are many different definitions of "good." > >> As regards Cara, I visited her in Colorado and I feel a real kinship >> with her--we didn't really have time to play, but she gave me a copy >> of her EP, and we shared tea and lunch. She is both playful and >> earnest, as her postings reflect . . . > >I have absolutely nothing against Cara, except that it's really hard to >get through any of her posts for me. Kind of like a freeway with >speedbumps. For example: > >I'm trying to find a looper. I feel good. I want the looper to have >at least 10 sec of memory. I'm happy. I'd also like it to have >variable feedback while in looping mode. I'm feeing really good. But >I can't seem to find it. I'm content and relaxed. Does anyone know of >a product that does this. I'm happy. > >> I would like to direct some energy toward the Santa Cruz festival >> loosely planned for the fall, > >I'm up for that. I think this year I'll take the proper time to spend >down there instead of rushing right back because it's only a few hours >away. Last year I missed a lot. > >Mark Sottilaro > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 16:59:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CKvp119186; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:57:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:57:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030712150445.01a06490@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:04:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: "don't make music anymore" -- was: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: References: <02bb01c34880$8294cef0$0600a8c0@money2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gary!, Love ya! -looks like I picked the WRONG time to resub! lol! Smiles, Emoticon-Girl At 08:26 AM 7/12/03 -0700, you wrote: > > >Well, and as long as you've got a bung hole, you can make music there too! > >Da da da da daaaaaaa ... >Da da da da daaaaaaa ... > > > >Uh oh--smells like the "Brown Danube" in here . . > >Gary > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 17:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CLAED20412; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:10:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c348ba$b4815e80$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <02bb01c34880$8294cef0$0600a8c0@money2> <3.0.5.32.20030712150445.01a06490@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: "don't make music anymore" -- was: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:15:22 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: > Smiles, > > Emoticon-Girl You know - I kinda like that handle better than Goddess... ;) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 17:48:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CLiK722877; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:44:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030712214414.4964.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Hawley Subject: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear loopers, Please pardon my naivete. I'm looking for something that will let me do looping in stereo. That's all I want; I don't need any extra features (harmonization, reverse...whatever). I'd like about 15 or more seconds. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'd imagine that I could buy two EDP's and sync them, or I could even buy something from Eventide, but I'm not willing to pay that kind of money right now. I guess I'd like to stay below, say, $1200. I could easily buy two mono pedals like the ones from Akai or Line 6, but how to operate them reliably in tandem? Reason as I ask is, I have a really great guitar pickup (TranceAudio Amulet) that does wonderful stereo output and I'd hate to lose that if I wanted to "loop." I'd also like to run my vocals through the looper, and it just would make sense to just send the stereo "effects sends & returns" from my mixer through the looping hardware. (I do solo shows.) I do have a Mac G4 laptop with an M-Audio Quattro interface, so I'm open to software solutions... provided the latancy is realllly low and I can somehow get some kind of foot controller for it. Many thanks, Scott Austin, TX (used to live in Berlin -- sorry I missed the Loop.pool show! :-( ) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 17:48:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CLkwH23020; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c348bf$1abdb6e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20030712145608.01a08100@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Clownishness Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:46:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright. Everybody out of the pool. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Clownishness > OK, this is the last thing I'll say about this, since it's getting out of > hand as far as I'm concerned, and quite honestly, I'm extraordinarily busy > with modeling. So, Mark, yer' probably not going to see this, since, as > you found it necessary to inform me privately last night, you're filtering > my addy. good for you. > but, do you ever stop?! I mean, leave it already! Not only did YOU, > start this, but I engaged you or tried rather, in an intelligent dialogue > about your looping, and you run away and filter me. WEll, so be it. But, > for the record, I don't know you, have never met you, we exchanged a couple > of msgs a few years back, when you were still in NY, and I have nothing > against you. However, if you start mistreating me because you happen not > to approve of some tiny words in a note, which are perfectly clean and > nice, then I'll respond. > Now, having said all that, if you do see this, I thought maybe we might > actually get back on freakin' topic, and carry on a real conversation about > what it is you do, so please feel free. -and please don't ever e-mail me > privately again, unless you have something nice to say. K? Thanks very > much... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 02:13 AM 7/12/03 -0700, you wrote: > >On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:28 PM, Relay wrote: > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro will be very disappointed when he hears me loop "On the > >> Road Again" with equipment better suited to space music. Hey, > >> whatever floats your boat . . . > > > >Exactly. I never said that was bad, just not my bag. It was after > >Paul Sanders remarked that it wasn't possible that anything good > >sounding could come of two out of synced loopers. I was just trying to > >illustrate that there are many different definitions of "good." > > > >> As regards Cara, I visited her in Colorado and I feel a real kinship > >> with her--we didn't really have time to play, but she gave me a copy > >> of her EP, and we shared tea and lunch. She is both playful and > >> earnest, as her postings reflect . . . > > > >I have absolutely nothing against Cara, except that it's really hard to > >get through any of her posts for me. Kind of like a freeway with > >speedbumps. For example: > > > >I'm trying to find a looper. I feel good. I want the looper to have > >at least 10 sec of memory. I'm happy. I'd also like it to have > >variable feedback while in looping mode. I'm feeing really good. But > >I can't seem to find it. I'm content and relaxed. Does anyone know of > >a product that does this. I'm happy. > > > >> I would like to direct some energy toward the Santa Cruz festival > >> loosely planned for the fall, > > > >I'm up for that. I think this year I'll take the proper time to spend > >down there instead of rushing right back because it's only a few hours > >away. Last year I missed a lot. > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 17:55:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CLr4H23574; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030712215303.73770.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:53:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: tea shirt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030712214414.4964.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah they came out really good. Thanks Jason ! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 18:12:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CMAQg24998; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:10:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:10:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: tea shirt Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c348c2$8b9726a0$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030712215303.73770.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rarely am I in fashion. But now all eyes turn and watch as I saunter by enclothed in my new Looper's Delight, limited-edition, 100% all cotton, custom-printed T-shirt! I am the envy of the neighborhood. Thanks, Jason! Looks great! - Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 18:25:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CMNga26590; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:23:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:21:38 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? In-reply-to: <20030712214414.4964.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008901c348c3$f6d73f30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you might get two used edps for $1200... say, several ld'ers are in dallas, and we talked a few years ago about getting a texas thing going. anybody still interested? at least a hang out and maybe jam kind of thing. there's gotta be at least a few of you in austin and houston, too... > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Hawley [mailto:spam4scott@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 4:44 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? > > > Dear loopers, > > Please pardon my naivete. > I'm looking for something that will let me do looping > in stereo. That's all I want; I don't need any extra > features (harmonization, reverse...whatever). I'd > like about 15 or more seconds. Does anyone have any > suggestions? > > I'd imagine that I could buy two EDP's and sync them, > or I could even buy something from Eventide, but I'm > not willing to pay that kind of money right now. I > guess I'd like to stay below, say, $1200. I could > easily buy two mono pedals like the ones from Akai or > Line 6, but how to operate them reliably in tandem? > > Reason as I ask is, I have a really great guitar > pickup (TranceAudio Amulet) that does wonderful stereo > output and I'd hate to lose that if I wanted to > "loop." I'd also like to run my vocals through the > looper, and it just would make sense to just send the > stereo "effects sends & returns" from my mixer through > the looping hardware. (I do solo shows.) > > I do have a Mac G4 laptop with an M-Audio Quattro > interface, so I'm open to software solutions... > provided the latancy is realllly low and I can somehow > get some kind of foot controller for it. > > Many thanks, > Scott > Austin, TX > (used to live in Berlin -- sorry I missed the > Loop.pool show! :-( ) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 18:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CMUTk27554; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:30:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:30:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: BerlinLivelooping improv Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:35:04 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <597015DE-B4A0-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: TFtYGwZQoeSt4veOM1PDRWgs1TsbYJzGnYG7sNVoR4d+qqMwqVXo8Q@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You know, the Real compression > kind of sucks, but it made me think that > a CD should be released of this. I'd buy it. I'm glad you all like the music. Yes a CD would have been nice ... in theory, but there was a very nasty hum/hiss thing during the whole recording of the evening, probably due to a broken cable or something, and I had to apply half a ton of Cooledit denoising ... which got rid of 80% of the noise but mangled some of the music as well ... oh well. What might sound like sucking realaudio could in part also be the result of that. btw I did a streaming realaudio instead of mp3 because I can't stream mp3 from here and a 30 minutes mp3 file download would have been too large for most people, I reckon. I can put the mp3 up there too if somebody really wants. It is large. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 18:34:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CMTiN27462; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:29:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: BerlinLivelooping improv Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:34:09 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <003501c348a6$c5600080$7f613d44@soulfruit> Importance: Normal X-Seen: false X-ID: JOyrKEZFrezANRtiDO1UPGk5-mdPxIjpP-AJphfiArEAG5aVPKRJ4N@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Too true! Video would have been really nice. Maybe next time? maybe ... next year we'll post the gig dates soon enough for you to come along with your videocam ... :-) = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 18:44:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CMh3728762; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:43:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:43:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02d801c348c7$4758ce80$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:45:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" > btw I did a streaming realaudio instead of mp3 because I can't stream mp3 > from here and a 30 minutes mp3 file download would have been too large for > most people, I reckon. I can put the mp3 up there too if somebody really > wants. It is large. I wouldn't mind a copy as mp3. I really don't like RA at this stage in the game. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 19:05:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CN33e30421; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030712230256.40425.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: tea shirt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <79.153b2d1c.2c41c31a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i, too, am feeling quite stylish in my new looper's delight t! excellent job! evan --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i will be way beyond "slick" sporting my new LD tea > shirt.....they look > great.....THANKS JASON.....michael > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 19:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CN1kX30310; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:01:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:01:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <069301c34960$25cbb0e0$05a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20030712214414.4964.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:59:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unless you can link the mono devices via midi, i don't think you'll have very much luck getting the two to work in tandem. it would be a perpetual phase composition, to borrow the reich-ian terminology. if you've got a g4, i'd look into a software solution. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 19:09:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CN8HE30945; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:08:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:08:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c348ca$76ac41a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <008901c348c3$f6d73f30$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:08:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in Houston, but won't be travelling to Dallas much. Maybe Austin here and there. Any loopers in Houston on the list these days?? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? > you might get two used edps for $1200... > > say, several ld'ers are in dallas, and we talked > a few years ago about getting a texas thing going. > anybody still interested? > > at least a hang out and maybe jam kind of thing. > there's gotta be at least a few of you in > austin and houston, too... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Hawley [mailto:spam4scott@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 4:44 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? > > > > > > Dear loopers, > > > > Please pardon my naivete. > > I'm looking for something that will let me do looping > > in stereo. That's all I want; I don't need any extra > > features (harmonization, reverse...whatever). I'd > > like about 15 or more seconds. Does anyone have any > > suggestions? > > > > I'd imagine that I could buy two EDP's and sync them, > > or I could even buy something from Eventide, but I'm > > not willing to pay that kind of money right now. I > > guess I'd like to stay below, say, $1200. I could > > easily buy two mono pedals like the ones from Akai or > > Line 6, but how to operate them reliably in tandem? > > > > Reason as I ask is, I have a really great guitar > > pickup (TranceAudio Amulet) that does wonderful stereo > > output and I'd hate to lose that if I wanted to > > "loop." I'd also like to run my vocals through the > > looper, and it just would make sense to just send the > > stereo "effects sends & returns" from my mixer through > > the looping hardware. (I do solo shows.) > > > > I do have a Mac G4 laptop with an M-Audio Quattro > > interface, so I'm open to software solutions... > > provided the latancy is realllly low and I can somehow > > get some kind of foot controller for it. > > > > Many thanks, > > Scott > > Austin, TX > > (used to live in Berlin -- sorry I missed the > > Loop.pool show! :-( ) > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 19:11:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CN9b431173; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:09:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:09:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06ab01c34961$40a9a1a0$05a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: headphones Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:07:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "About $1500 for a wired setup" sweet jeebus...for 1500 i could build my own portable plexiglass isolation booth and a mic'd snorkel kazoo. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 19:14:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CNCEq31630; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020801c348cb$033d0f00$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <06ab01c34961$40a9a1a0$05a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: headphones Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:12:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2003 23:12:13.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[072B6030:01C348CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow that would look a lot cooler ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: headphones > "About $1500 for a wired setup" > > sweet jeebus...for 1500 i could build my own portable plexiglass isolation > booth and a mic'd snorkel kazoo. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 19:46:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CNetG02480; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:40:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:40:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030712214414.4964.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030712214414.4964.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:40:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6CNesk02447 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:44 PM -0700 7/12/03, Scott Hawley wrote: >I'd imagine that I could buy two EDP's and sync them, >or I could even buy something from Eventide, but I'm >not willing to pay that kind of money right now. I >guess I'd like to stay below, say, $1200. Well there aren't many stereo looping solutions that I know of (in ascending price order): 1 - Electrix Repeater (discontinued) 2 - Echoplex (a pair of them) 3 - Eventide Orville or 7500 (or a discontinued 4500) 4 - Symbolic Sound Kyma The Repeater can certainly be had for much less than your $1200 budget. You could _maybe_ pick up a pair of Echoplexes for $1200. As far as the Eventide stuff and the Kyma, well they do way more than you need, so I guess you don't really have to worry about the price :-) There are also software solutions using something like Max/MSP which may work for you. I have experience with most of these solutions (never used the Kyma), and they all have their plusses and minuses. You can certainly make a Righteous Racket with any of them. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 19:58:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6CNtHr03489; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:55:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:55:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.23.201] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tea shirt Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:55:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2003 23:55:10.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[075B1400:01C348D1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright! Just got mine today, too! They look great....thanks Jason! You can always tell the "classy" loopers from the clothes they wear....... Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 12 23:45:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6D3cwI17523; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:38:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040901c348f0$171af760$dde65cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "The Ambient Way" , "ElectronicMusic" , "Analogue Heaven" , "beyond_em" , "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: The Ambient Ping presents Xeroid Entity Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:37:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is Bill cross posting some gig spam... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott M2" To: "THE AMBiENT PiNG LiST" Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Xeroid Entity > Congratulations to rik maclean for all his very dedicated work, > as the *ping things* CD shop is thrilled to announce its one year > anniversary! There are quite a number of items on sale at > http://www.pingthings.com to celebrate. Visit the site to find > reduced prices on discs by Alpha Wave Movement, Aidan Baker, > Deep Chill Network, James Johnson, Spacenoiz and more... > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com > Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 > @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto > 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. > map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > This Tuesday July 15th 2003 - Xeroid Entity > > Visiting the Ping from Nazareth, PA, Xeroid Entity is a trio > of experienced electronic musicians: Howard Moscovitz, > Greg Waltzer and Bill Fox. Their music is sometimes very > relaxed and understated (similar to what is called space music) > and othertimes is more energetic and a bit agressive. > All of Xeroid Entity's music is spontaneous and improvised > and all three musicians perform with Nord Modular synthesizers. > Bill Fox also plays electric guitars though electronic processing > chains and Howard Moscovitz sometimes plays the (quite rare) > Neckville electric/MIDI banjo, which can control any synthesizer. > http://www.xeroid-entity.com > > Between Sets CD - "A Storm Of Drones" - disc 1 by V/A > We move onto "A Storm of Drones" the third collection from > the Asphodel label's "Drones" series, which the Ping is featuring > bi-monthly in 2003. The 1st disc from this triple CD set of dark > soundscapes is a selection of music first released on the > Montreal-based empreintes DIGITALes label, & includes works > by Frances Dhomont, Jonty Harrison & other electroacoustic > artists. http://www.asphodel.com/cat/asp_0966.html > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Coming Tuesday July 22nd - Planet Of The Loops > > The Planet Of The Loops' bi-monthly looping series returns > with long-time collaborators in traditional European music, > Laurence Stevenson and Ben Grossman as they explore > their loopier, experimental selves for this concert. Laurence is > a formidable fiddler in the realm of Celtic, folk and traditional > music and Ben is a hurdy gurdy (vielle a roue/Drehleier) player > who's not afraid of a bouree or mazurka. 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Constantly flowing in new directions > and pathways, the songs on "Trillium" move and grow in such a > way as to suggest to me a living entity brought to life through > alchemy rather than biology. Use of tones in a percussive manner, > lush sounds that evolve and reshape themselves, the sense of > "breathing" pulses, they all give form to a new entity, a new lifeform. > > Tracing through the womb-like sounds of disc-opener "Imatra", to > the self-discovery implied in "Alta" and the soft reflections of "Lua", > and ending with the percussive summation of "Ganymede", > "Trillium" is a work that I believe runs parallel to our own life > experiences, our own existence. It's a disc that I think we can > all identify with, and a work that it's listeners will carry inside > for some time to come. Beautiful and inspired. > > rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com - http://www.pingthings.com > (This month at pingthings.com, an exclusive interview with Mercurine > plus the ping things first freaking anniversary sale...) > > Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things. > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's > finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus > performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia > (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect > for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room > and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the > club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats > are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. > Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too > and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested > in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances > or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 00:24:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6D4MTT20525; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:22:22 -0700 Subject: Re: tea shirt From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <79.153b2d1c.2c41c31a@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <68_Ik.A.jAF.E6NE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The shirt looks great. Thanks, Jason. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 00:35:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6D4WVt21275; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:32:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:32:28 -0700 Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030712214414.4964.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <02D8E463-B4EB-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking into maybe using the Boss DD-20. It's stereo, has like 23 sec of loop/delay time and a bunch of other features. The cool thing about it is it's $229. The bad thing about it is you can't control feedback in loop mode. I think I may be able to get around this using it in the effects loop of a mixer. There's the Repeater, which is my main looper of choice. Why? Because you can get them for around $600 (I got mine for $550 new!) they are steeped in features such as reverse playback, time stretch and dilation and best of all (IMO) it will chase a midi clock better than any other looper *ever*. The EDP is great, but change the tempo a bit and you're lost. Bad news is, don't try and find one at the Guitar Center or anywhere else. Electrix went down hard a year or so ago. You can still get service though, though TC Electronics, as they were both part of IVL. (a big audio chip/gear maker) There are a few other issues with the Repeater, but I love mine to death. Every time I think, "I should buy another looper for a small show mini rig, maybe an EDP... Hmmm I could get a Repeater for a lot less and have it stereo or 4 track mono... hmmmm." Silly. Anyway, hope that helps. Not much choice for stereo loopers in today's topsy turvy world. Good luck. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 02:44 PM, Scott Hawley wrote: > Dear loopers, > > Please pardon my naivete. > I'm looking for something that will let me do looping > in stereo. That's all I want; I don't need any extra > features (harmonization, reverse...whatever). I'd > like about 15 or more seconds. Does anyone have any > suggestions? > > I'd imagine that I could buy two EDP's and sync them, > or I could even buy something from Eventide, but I'm > not willing to pay that kind of money right now. I > guess I'd like to stay below, say, $1200. I could > easily buy two mono pedals like the ones from Akai or > Line 6, but how to operate them reliably in tandem? > > Reason as I ask is, I have a really great guitar > pickup (TranceAudio Amulet) that does wonderful stereo > output and I'd hate to lose that if I wanted to > "loop." I'd also like to run my vocals through the > looper, and it just would make sense to just send the > stereo "effects sends & returns" from my mixer through > the looping hardware. (I do solo shows.) > > I do have a Mac G4 laptop with an M-Audio Quattro > interface, so I'm open to software solutions... > provided the latancy is realllly low and I can somehow > get some kind of foot controller for it. > > Many thanks, > Scott > Austin, TX > (used to live in Berlin -- sorry I missed the > Loop.pool show! :-( ) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 00:36:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6D4Yew21410; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:34:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:34:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:34:37 -0700 Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4FBA3FF2-B4EB-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, that's the noise one. Shame. Great music anyway! Thanks! Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 03:35 PM, Michael Peters wrote: >> You know, the Real compression >> kind of sucks, but it made me think that >> a CD should be released of this. I'd buy it. > > > I'm glad you all like the music. Yes a CD would have been nice ... in > theory, but there was a very nasty hum/hiss thing during the whole > recording > of the evening, probably due to a broken cable or something, and I had > to > apply half a ton of Cooledit denoising From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 01:13:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6D57Dq24190; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:07:10 -0700 Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/12/03 3:35 PM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote: > I can put the mp3 up there too if somebody really > wants. It is large. I'd like to get an MP3 (or an AAC). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 01:26:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6D5O6o25383; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Tritone3@aol.com Message-ID: <178.1d811893.2c4246ef@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:23:59 EDT Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: spam4scott@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_178.1d811893.2c4246ef_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_178.1d811893.2c4246ef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Lexicon Jamman has two inputs and outputs, is controllable via midi and can provide a maximum loop time of 32 seconds. While they are not being made anymore, you can find them from time to time on E-Bay. In fact, there is currently one on there (as off this writing bidding is currently at $255). Joe --part1_178.1d811893.2c4246ef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Lexicon Jamman has two inputs and outputs, i= s controllable via midi and can provide a maximum loop time of 32 seconds. W= hile they are not being made anymore, you can find them from time to time on= E-Bay. In fact, there is currently one on there (as off this writing biddin= g is currently at $255).<= /FONT>
Joe --part1_178.1d811893.2c4246ef_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 02:10:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6D68wK28187; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:08:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:08:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <178.1d811893.2c4246ef@aol.com> References: <178.1d811893.2c4246ef@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:55:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:23 AM -0400 7/13/03, Tritone3@aol.com wrote: >The Lexicon Jamman has two inputs and outputs, is controllable via midi and can provide a maximum loop time of 32 seconds. While they are not being made anymore, you can find them from time to time on E-Bay. In fact, there is currently one on there (as off this writing bidding is currently at $255). But the JamMan is not a stereo device. It passes the stereo dry signal through, but the loop is mono. It mixes the two inputs into its mono loop and plays the mono loop through both channels. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 09:17:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DDGTE24900; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c34940$c39bad40$82635cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <178.1d811893.2c4246ef@aol.com> Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:14:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Muir" > At 1:23 AM -0400 7/13/03, Tritone3@aol.com wrote: > >The Lexicon Jamman has two inputs and outputs, is controllable via midi and can provide a maximum loop time of 32 seconds. While they are not being made anymore, you can find them from time to time on E-Bay. In fact, there is currently one on there (as off this writing bidding is currently at $255). > > But the JamMan is not a stereo device. It passes the stereo dry signal through, but the loop is mono. It mixes the two inputs into its mono loop and plays the mono loop through both channels. Isn't there a mod to make it true stereo? Or has my mind totally gone to mush? Cheers, Bill Fox Pinnacle Bassist and Promotions Pinnacle info@everything2xs.com http://everything2xs.com P.O. Box 632 Nazareth, Pennsylvania 18064-0632 Our new CD is called "A Man's Reach..." on Everything To Excess Records. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 09:51:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DDoC426538; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:50:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: headphones Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:50:01 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c34945$aa826830$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <06ab01c34961$40a9a1a0$05a44a43@g0wn7> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What price do you put on your ears? Are you willing to trust just any product to your hearing? Everyone starting out now should be thankful for the technology. I only wish I had so many options 25 years ago! I know money is tight for most of you, but a plexiglass iso booth as you suggest would cost about $5000. I've seen them at a few churches. Funny comment tho... Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 1:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphones "About $1500 for a wired setup" sweet jeebus...for 1500 i could build my own portable plexiglass isolation booth and a mic'd snorkel kazoo. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 09:53:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DDqtJ26759; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: BerlinLivelooping improv Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:52:47 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c34946$0b2972f0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, I agree with the MP3. Real Audio it really bad. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 1:07 AM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv on 7/12/03 3:35 PM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote: > I can put the mp3 up there too if somebody really > wants. It is large. I'd like to get an MP3 (or an AAC). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 10:17:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DEFFO28565; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03df01c3494a$039dd9f0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:21:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) > On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 08:41 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:30 AM > > Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: > > Re:footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) > >> Not only does it depend on the content, it depends on the > >> audience.Some venues attract an audience with more openminds than > >> others. You're right though, if you were to try the same thing in > >> most collegebars on a friday night you're not going to do that well. > >> > >> On the other hand, if I heard someone trying to loop pop or classic > >> rock tunes with a Repeater, I'd be out of that club faster than you > >> could say "Whole Lot Of Love." Snore. Not for me. Different > >> strokes... > > > > So YOU are the one... > > > > I guess I should have lurked here before I exposed what I do with > > looping and the have the court of loopers-delight opinions convict me > > of bozodom. > > Did I write that you were a Bozo? I just said that classic rock wasn't I have to admit that some of the responses you rendered earlier, and dont' ask me to site specifics because they are long gone, just vaguely stored away in my memory bank, made me stop to wonder if what I was trying to do by putting a looper into my solo acoustic pop music act was lame, and whether it was going to make me sound like these kareoke people! But I've since realized that it doesn't matter. It's up to my own creativity to make it good and cool. If I can't pull that off, then I deserve to be lame, just like the Kareoke players. Honestly though, I posted this in good humor. I guess I didn't do a good enough job of writing in a way that made that obvious. I didn't intend for you to feel you needed to explain yourself. It's great you did, but not necessary. Where's the beef? I have no beef! :) No big thing. I do what I do, others do what they do. It's all good, or bad...but real. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 10:18:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DEHO128734; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:17:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:17:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03e501c3494a$50a7d610$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <386B7C14-B48D-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:23:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) > On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 07:11 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > >> Well, if you'd lurked even longer, you'd probably see > >> it all come full circle and realize you're not alone! > >> As Kim points out on a regular basis, folks are using > >> looping gear in many, many styles of music. > > > > Oh, well, OK then. You mean just because Mark doesn't like watching > > acts like mine I don't have to sell all my looper gear and just stick > > with one guitar/one vocal??? > > > > :) > > > > lol lol lol lol lol > > > > Exactly. Paul made a statement that implied an absolute about looping > (can't do anything that doesn't sound like shit with two unsynced > loopers) I just had to put forth a different opinion. Be careful with > absolutes. That statement was showing my lack of understanding of the breadth of things loopers do. Had that come up a few days later I would have never made that statement. In fact, the responses to that statement inspired me to try things with unsync'd loopers that worked out nicely. Anyhow, I'm a bit forward with my "participation". Sometimes I speak before I know enough :) Paul > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 11:08:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DF2tb32481; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:02:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:02:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030713150248.16199.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: RE: headphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003c01c34945$aa826830$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1933853338-1058108568=:16015" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1933853338-1058108568=:16015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yeah, the plexiglass cube was just a joke and you can't really put a monitary value on hearing protection...unfortunately, you CAN put a monitary value on my checking account. -jim --0-1933853338-1058108568=:16015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
yeah, the plexiglass cube was just a joke and you can't really put a monitary value on hearing protection...unfortunately, you CAN put a monitary value on my checking account.
 
-jim
--0-1933853338-1058108568=:16015-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 11:44:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DFi2G02615; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:44:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:44:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: headphones Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:43:55 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c34955$9156ab90$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C34934.0A450B90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030713150248.16199.qmail@web80206.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C34934.0A450B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paying gigs. Paying your dues. Playing with crappy monitors. The music business is really tough to make a living in. If I could go back and change my profession, I'd probably be a programmer. LOL Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: headphones yeah, the plexiglass cube was just a joke and you can't really put a monitary value on hearing protection...unfortunately, you CAN put a monitary value on my checking account. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C34934.0A450B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Paying gigs. Paying your dues. = Playing with crappy monitors. The music business is really tough to make a = living in. If I could go back and change my profession, I’d probably be a = programmer. LOL

 

Respect=

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Will = Brake

Soul Fruit = Electronics

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 13, = 2003 11:03 AM
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yeah, the plexiglass cube was just a joke and = you can't really put a monitary value on hearing protection...unfortunately, = you CAN put a monitary value on my checking = account.

 

-jim

------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C34934.0A450B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 11:45:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DFgOn02479; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:42:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:42:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:42:16 -0400 Message-ID: <004201c34955$56a7ef40$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <03e501c3494a$50a7d610$0600a8c0@money2> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ultimately, who are we to judge what is good, bad or other. If you've ever been to an art fair, art gallery or museum, there is all the proof you'll ever need to qualify the statement 'Art is in the eye (ear) of the beholder'. Do you think there is a big market for David Torn? No, there isn't. But that doesn't change the fact that he is a creative individual, an artist. Just because you may choose to play a style/type of music that might get played on commercial radio doesn't mean you are not creative. Nor does it mean you are not an artist. It doesn't me you are, either. That being said, commercial radio does continue to pre-digest cookie cutter crap that is force fed to the masses. That's my opinion. Some of my clients are huge in that market. Some are more creative than others. Some are just really good business people and not very creative. What do both David Torn and these pop musicians have in common? They all make a living in the music industry, doing what they love. One reaches a small, devoted community. The other is HEARD by many, many people. Perhaps both inspire someone on the receiving end to do something positive with their creativity? Just because I don't like -insert the art of your choice-, doesn't mean there aren't creative individuals involved with it. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) > On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 07:11 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > >> Well, if you'd lurked even longer, you'd probably see > >> it all come full circle and realize you're not alone! > >> As Kim points out on a regular basis, folks are using > >> looping gear in many, many styles of music. > > > > Oh, well, OK then. You mean just because Mark doesn't like watching > > acts like mine I don't have to sell all my looper gear and just stick > > with one guitar/one vocal??? > > > > :) > > > > lol lol lol lol lol > > > > Exactly. Paul made a statement that implied an absolute about looping > (can't do anything that doesn't sound like shit with two unsynced > loopers) I just had to put forth a different opinion. Be careful with > absolutes. That statement was showing my lack of understanding of the breadth of things loopers do. Had that come up a few days later I would have never made that statement. In fact, the responses to that statement inspired me to try things with unsync'd loopers that worked out nicely. Anyhow, I'm a bit forward with my "participation". Sometimes I speak before I know enough :) Paul > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 12:05:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DG42F03885; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:04:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <043601c34959$36115b50$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: Drum loops...how do you do it? Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:10:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm using drum loops in my live gig. I COULD just get a drum machine and program up a bunch of patterns and use what I have with that, but sometimes I like to drum something out on the fly. I first started with the Roland SPD-6, which just has sounds, and midi output. I then exchanged that for the new SPD-S sampling drum pad. It's got cool stuff. I will let me create a loop and then resample to a wav. But it has some dissapointing limitations: 1) I can't change the tempo of that wave, I don't think even if I resample it again. 2) It doesnt' send MIDI clock, so I can sync a looper with it. I'm forced to record to the looper if I'm doing rythmic overdubs. Those are the two that stick out. There may be more, but I can't think of them now. How would you guys approach this? I want to be able to tap out rhythms if I want to, but I want to be able to have the midi clock output so my looper can sync to it. Thanks, Paul Paul Sanders Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 12:14:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DGDV504599; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <14.155919fe.2c42df22@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:13:22 EDT Subject: Re: headphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14.155919fe.2c42df22_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14.155919fe.2c42df22_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/13/03 11:03:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > you can't really put a monitary value on hearing protection i agree wholeheartedly.....if you are still (younger) able to hear well, don't screw that up.....my dear louise was just several feet away speaking directly to me just a few mins. ago and i heard about 40% of what she was saying, how many "pardon me's" can a person stand?.....im amazed every morning when i wake up alive.....the worst part is every time i talk my family sez "QUIT SHOUTING".....people must think im some kind of mean goon.....imagine me sitting at the table with the family and i say "LOOPING BLAH BLAH....." and they all get up a leave the room.....so dont give up your hearing for your art, it almost sounds romantic but it truely isn't.....michael --part1_14.155919fe.2c42df22_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/13/0= 3 11:03:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


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i agree wholeheartedly.....if you are still (younger) able to hear well, don= 't screw that up.....my dear louise was just several feet away speaking dire= ctly to me just a few mins. ago and i heard about 40% of what she was saying= , how many "pardon me's" can a person stand?.....im amazed every morning whe= n i wake up alive.....the worst part is every time i talk my family sez "QUI= T SHOUTING".....people must think im some kind of mean goon.....imagine me s= itting at the table with the family and i say "LOOPING BLAH BLAH....." and t= hey all get up a leave the room.....so dont give up your hearing for your ar= t, it almost sounds romantic but it truely isn't.....michael --part1_14.155919fe.2c42df22_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 12:28:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DGRXB06015; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:27:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:27:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Goldsmith \(mailing lists\)" To: Subject: RE: Bassloop,the CD - a proposal Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:34:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <093301c33c17$b79c6420$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7edT0B.A.2dB.1hYE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it's switched to two CDs is there any chance there will be more room? I'm a few weeks behind in the list due to work stress, but I have a good CD I type track recorded from a little while ago that I think would work well. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Marshall [mailto:paul@powerhaus.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD - a proposal > > > If you're short of contributions for the CDII "most likely to > collaborate", > I'm up for a joining forces with one or more of y'all bassistes who don't > have a band to fall back on. I'm a multi-percussionist so I can offer > whatever that means :) Maybe there's a LD virtual band just waiting to > happen? > > Xfer either way by WAV or AIFF (or SDII) is fine by me but I can only work > in 16bit for now if that's acceptable. > > Cheers > > Paul > ---------------------- > Paul Marshall > Portfolio Sound Artist > http://www.powerhaus.net > http://www.drumdojo.com > http://www.differentdrums.co.uk > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > www.dacapo.co.uk > Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 > Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: Bassloop,the CD. > > > > > limited to a little over 3 minutes... > > > > time shouldn't be a problem, i think any of us can > > take our work and cut it down. perhaps even in a 3 > > minute or so track, it forces us to all give you some > > really great show stopper music. > > > > > So how would people feel about a > > > Volume I "plays well alone" -limited to solo bass > > > created in real time. > > > > this sounds great. i thought the object though was to > > send in music that was just bass? for my track, i am > > working with 2 repeaters and it is something that can > > be reproduced live with just bass and loops and > > effects. is that cool for the plays well alone disc? > > > > > -and Volume II "plays well with others"-other > > > musicians,drum > > > machines,overdubs,computers, etc-???!!! > > > > so basically anything that contains more than just a > > bass? > > > > > I'm not sure this would result in an even division > > > of our talents but,I suspect it will.. > > > > good thinking. i suspect that you are correct and > > that all the contributors are looking at their track > > in a different way. > > > > > I need to know if; > > > 1. This sounds good to everyone > > > 2.If you are more into doing a track for I or II > > > > i'd be down for a track I. for a track II type track, > > i'd submit a bass heavy track from my band with > > looping. > > > > peace and bass and ofcourse loops... > > > > > > > 10.Evan Meyers > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 13:05:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DH4vH08808; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:04:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:04:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c34960$ddb635e0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <200307131614.h6DGEAJ04676@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: To Sync or not to Sync Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:04:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for what it's worth, I'm currently using 5 different loopers in my live set up, often all at the same time, and haven't got any of them sync'd... (3 EDPs, 1 MPX-G2 and a Korg Kaoss 2) - I've only used sync on any of my loopers on a few occasions - the looping tour with Rick Walker and Michael Manring (JamMans), the second looping tour with Rick and Andre (EDPs) and my recent recordings with Matthias (EDPs), but even then, I had one EDP linked and used the rest of the stuff unsync'd. Much can be done to exploit the wonders of unsync'd loopage... :) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 13:23:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DHMpn10045; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:22:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:22:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:22:51 -0700 Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <069301c34960$25cbb0e0$05a44a43@g0wn7> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out Digital Performer 4. It's got POLAR (Performance Oriented Loop Assist Recording) Which is a pretty cool tool... though again it lacks the ability to have less than 100% feedback. If you've got a program that uses VST plugins there's PHP's Lexicon emulation software. http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_pspaudiowarecom_2/ I haven't tried it yet because it won't work with Performer but I read some really favorable reviews. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 09:59 AM, jimfowler wrote: > unless you can link the mono devices via midi, i don't think you'll > have > very much luck getting the two to work in tandem. it would be a > perpetual > phase composition, to borrow the reich-ian terminology. > > if you've got a g4, i'd look into a software solution. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 13:27:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DHQl010306; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Drum loops...how do you do it? Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:26:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <043601c34959$36115b50$0600a8c0@money2> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dearly beloved, I am willing to bet that MIDI looping hardware or software is just around the corner that will solve some of these problems. I am using a second EDP for percussion after trying a few different options--hell, I bought a MC-505 thinking it was a MIDI looper, but you have to preset the measure length. So I am sampling the audio output of an Alesis D4 with the second EDP, brother synced to the other one (using that one for melody etc). I have been trying some different things recently--sus inset and sus substitute--and also using windowing--but the bottom line for me is, if you want it live and you want it the way you hear it in your head, YOU HAVE TO PLAY IT IN REAL TIME first. If it was a MIDI looper tho, it might be easier to manipulate, and I look forward to the time when that is available. Even so, my improvised music is lame and basically an opportunity for me to show off how well I play the guitar, so I have no clue as to who I am going to convince they should listen to it. I can't please anyone but myself--not weird enough for y'all, too weird for the hoi polloi. Good thing I am having a ball! And get the occasional gig--but how to promote this Delay project? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Drum loops...how do you do it? Hi all, I'm using drum loops in my live gig. I COULD just get a drum machine and program up a bunch of patterns and use what I have with that, but sometimes I like to drum something out on the fly. I first started with the Roland SPD-6, which just has sounds, and midi output. I then exchanged that for the new SPD-S sampling drum pad. It's got cool stuff. I will let me create a loop and then resample to a wav. But it has some dissapointing limitations: 1) I can't change the tempo of that wave, I don't think even if I resample it again. 2) It doesnt' send MIDI clock, so I can sync a looper with it. I'm forced to record to the looper if I'm doing rythmic overdubs. Those are the two that stick out. There may be more, but I can't think of them now. How would you guys approach this? I want to be able to tap out rhythms if I want to, but I want to be able to have the midi clock output so my looper can sync to it. Thanks, Paul Paul Sanders Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 13:52:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DHoBv11605; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:50:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:50:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:50:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Fwd: [BA-NEWMUS:9999] Fwd: star trek mixer From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <72BF8259-B55A-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the cross post, but this looked way cool. Begin forwarded message: > >> this stuff is way tech, and worth the wait for the demo to download. >> 23rd century electronic music, here we come.....simply amazing. >> >> wanted to share...... >> >> http://web.media.mit.edu/~jpatten/audiopad/ >> -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 13:56:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DHqZw11767; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:52:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:52:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F119C83.4050106@spnz.org> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:53:07 -0500 From: Dave Stagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Accessibility References: <004201c34955$56a7ef40$7f613d44@soulfruit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will Brake wrote: > Ultimately, who are we to judge what is good, bad or other. If you've > ever been to an art fair, art gallery or museum, there is all the proof > you'll ever need to qualify the statement 'Art is in the eye (ear) of > the beholder'. > > Do you think there is a big market for David Torn? No, there isn't. But > that doesn't change the fact that he is a creative individual, an > artist. Just because you may choose to play a style/type of music that > might get played on commercial radio doesn't mean you are not creative. > Nor does it mean you are not an artist. It doesn't me you are, either. > > > That being said, commercial radio does continue to pre-digest cookie > cutter crap that is force fed to the masses. That's my opinion. Some of > my clients are huge in that market. Some are more creative than others. > Some are just really good business people and not very creative. Interestingly, i'd say making it in the pop world doesn't mean you suck, or that your music is "cookie-cutter". What it does mean is that your music is *accessible* (that, and you have good business sense and get lucky dealing with the obnoxious sorts that control what's on the radio). You can be creative, unusual, and even challenging in pop music, but it has to be something that can immediately engage most people (i'm ignoring stylistic ghettos here, and also listeners who refuse to listen to anything outside their own stylistic ghetto). Bands like Dave Matthews, Phish, The Flaming Lips, Beck, Radiohead, etc have all had broad mass-market success while being highly personal and creative. Remember that Radiohead's Kid A opened at #1 with NO promotion from their label and nothing radio-friendly! You know where i heard it most? As musak at cooler stores. It's terrific background music. I've been thinking about accessibility a lot lately. I think audiences are smarter than we give them credit for, and we can produce something that can appeal to them AND to us, if we try. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 14:01:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DI06m12334; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:00:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:00:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <03df01c3494a$039dd9f0$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 07:21 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > Where's the beef? I have no beef! :) I always quote Bootsy Collins: What's your beef, jerky? > > No big thing. I do what I do, others do what they do. It's all good, or > bad...but real. > Ha-za to that my brother. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 14:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DILZR13913; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:21:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:21:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030713182134.83680.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: tea shirt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <79.153b2d1c.2c41c31a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah! Thanks from me too, Jason. Just got done washing it (don't want any LD-shaped rashes...) Greg --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i will be way beyond "slick" sporting my new LD tea shirt.....they look > great.....THANKS JASON.....michael > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 16:26:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DKPZr23547; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:25:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:25:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: [BA-NEWMUS:9999] Fwd: star trek mixer Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:26:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c3497d$0e3e2800$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <72BF8259-B55A-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4QHwNB.A.zvF.-AcE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you very much, Mark! Fascinating! This inspires me to try something crudely similar with the Palm's touchscreen controlling loops on a Kyma. Now all I need is more time... Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:50 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd: [BA-NEWMUS:9999] Fwd: star trek mixer Sorry for the cross post, but this looked way cool. Begin forwarded message: > >> this stuff is way tech, and worth the wait for the demo to download. >> 23rd century electronic music, here we come.....simply amazing. >> >> wanted to share...... >> >> http://web.media.mit.edu/~jpatten/audiopad/ >> -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 17:06:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DL4Y126864; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:04:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006e01c34940$c39bad40$82635cd1@billfox> References: <178.1d811893.2c4246ef@aol.com> <006e01c34940$c39bad40$82635cd1@billfox> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:04:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:14 AM -0400 7/13/03, Bill Fox wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Muir" > > But the JamMan is not a stereo device. It passes the stereo dry signal >through, but the loop is mono. It mixes the two inputs into its mono loop and >plays the mono loop through both channels. > >Isn't there a mod to make it true stereo? Or has my mind totally gone to mush? Well, one wouldn't like to comment on the mushiness, or lack thereof, of another's mind. That said, I don't remember hearing about a mod to make the Jamman true stereo. It would be a fairly complicated mod without much market for it, IMO. There is the Bob Sellon OS chip that adds a bunch of functionality, but doesn't modify the hardware for you. :-) -C -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 17:43:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DLfi029890; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:41:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:41:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: To Sync or not to Sync Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:41:29 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002f01c34987$8532d6e0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-reply-to: <00c201c34960$ddb635e0$e0154ed5@bigboy> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] > Much can be done to exploit the wonders of > unsync'd loopage... :) I fully agree. I have two loopers in my rack and quite often I put the Repeater out of sync while working the other loop in the EDP. Here's an example of that can sound: http://members.chello.se/boysen.p/svinsax1_clip.mp3 Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 18:01:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DLvxq31352; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:57:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:57:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Drum loops...how do you do it? Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:57:45 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003101c34989$cb2829a0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-reply-to: <043601c34959$36115b50$0600a8c0@money2> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How would you guys approach this? I used to have a groove box (MC-303) midi clock slaved to my loopers and whenever I felt a need for some drum beats I could simply bring the "drums fader" up on my mixer. But I even found that too complicated because I hade to almost stop playing for a couple of seconds now and then to change drum pattern. I thought about this for many weeks without coming up with any solution. Then I tried to record my favourite beats to the Repeater's CFC card. But this wasn't a good solution either because I always forgot about it and erased the groove loops from the CFC card when emptying the Repeater between my songs. Then I suddenly got the best idea I've had for a long time: human beat boxing! You don't really have to be extremely good at beatboxing to lay down a two bar drum pattern with a mic and a compressor into your looping device. Now I'm practising with a new rig set-up where I constantly have the "drums mic" ready (parallel to other instruments) so I can put drums into a loop while I'm recording another instrument. Another good thing with this is that it's more visual for the audience than any electronic solution. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com > Hi all, > > I'm using drum loops in my live gig. I COULD just get a drum > machine and program up a bunch of patterns and use what I > have with that, but sometimes I like to drum something out on the fly. > > I first started with the Roland SPD-6, which just has sounds, > and midi output. I then exchanged that for the new SPD-S > sampling drum pad. It's got cool stuff. I will let me create > a loop and then resample to a wav. But it has some > dissapointing limitations: > > 1) I can't change the tempo of that wave, I don't think even > if I resample it again. > 2) It doesnt' send MIDI clock, so I can sync a looper with > it. I'm forced to record to the looper if I'm doing rythmic overdubs. > > Those are the two that stick out. There may be more, but I > can't think of them now. > > How would you guys approach this? I want to be able to tap > out rhythms if I want to, but I want to be able to have the > midi clock output so my looper can sync to it. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > Paul Sanders > Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 18:22:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DMLmD01270; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:21:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030713222141.20136.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004201c34955$56a7ef40$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Will Brake wrote: > Do you think there is a big market for David Torn? > No, there isn't. Hmmm, that's relative. Depends on whether you mean: 1: Number of people attending DT concerts per year. 2: Number of people who'd buy a DT album. 3: Number of people who'd buy an album by (insert name of mega-artist who *employs* Torn as guitarist or producer here); David Bowie, Jeff Beck, etc. 4: Number of people who go to movies or rent videos. 5: All of the above, plus his many other niches. There's a big difference there. I'd say the numbers increase dramatically with each category included, growing from "a lucky few" to "damned near everyone". -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 18:39:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DMSrg02042; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:28:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:28:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030713222847.48710.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Drum loops...how do you do it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <043601c34959$36115b50$0600a8c0@money2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Paul Sanders wrote: > How would you guys approach this? I want to be able > to tap out rhythms if I > want to, but I want to be able to have the midi > clock output so my looper > can sync to it. You could combine approaches: use a drum machine for extremely simple parts (just kick, maybe) and play your fills live into the loop. That way, you've got midi tempo *with* the live performance aspect of playing the drum parts. I used to do something similar on demo recordings 10-15 years ago: my drumming was sloppy, but the drum machine I had at the time sounded stiff and mechanical. By assigning simple steady parts to the machine, and playing the 'Keith Moon' parts manually, the end result was quite interesting. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 18:54:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DMrFF03454; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:53:16 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c34991$8c877900$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030713222141.20136.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, Ok, maybe Torn wasn't a good example. I'm afraid that you missed the whole point of using him as such. As far slamming popular music goes, I used it merely as an example; an attempt to say 'we need to get along, allow each of us to be creative in what way we, as individuals, wish'. I suppose another way to say it would be, those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Guilty. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 6:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Playing in time with multiple non-synced loopers... (was: Re: footswitchable series/parallel signal routing schemes) --- Will Brake wrote: > Do you think there is a big market for David Torn? > No, there isn't. Hmmm, that's relative. Depends on whether you mean: 1: Number of people attending DT concerts per year. 2: Number of people who'd buy a DT album. 3: Number of people who'd buy an album by (insert name of mega-artist who *employs* Torn as guitarist or producer here); David Bowie, Jeff Beck, etc. 4: Number of people who go to movies or rent videos. 5: All of the above, plus his many other niches. There's a big difference there. I'd say the numbers increase dramatically with each category included, growing from "a lucky few" to "damned near everyone". -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 18:55:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DMseq03640; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:54:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Drum loops...how do you do it? Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:54:41 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c34991$bf2a4590$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030713222847.48710.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yet another is to have a kit, a bass, a keyboard, some percussion devices, a guitar and a mic and do it all yourself. Hmmm, Keller Williams? Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 6:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum loops...how do you do it? --- Paul Sanders wrote: > How would you guys approach this? I want to be able > to tap out rhythms if I > want to, but I want to be able to have the midi > clock output so my looper > can sync to it. You could combine approaches: use a drum machine for extremely simple parts (just kick, maybe) and play your fills live into the loop. That way, you've got midi tempo *with* the live performance aspect of playing the drum parts. I used to do something similar on demo recordings 10-15 years ago: my drumming was sloppy, but the drum machine I had at the time sounded stiff and mechanical. By assigning simple steady parts to the machine, and playing the 'Keith Moon' parts manually, the end result was quite interesting. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 19:20:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6DNJxx05099; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <044e01c34995$4e235900$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <02d801c348c7$4758ce80$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:56:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael, Loopists, I'd greatly appreciate an MP3. My machine has always been temperamental with RA material. Rarely I hear a complete file, occasionally 2.4 seconds and then it freezes but usually it sticks at 'loaded 100%'. If anyone has any ideas of where the conflicts are, please say, it drives me mad!! I've re-installed. >From my perspective as of one who was involved, this 'evangelical :)' tour of Rick's seems to have generated a lot of very interesting collaborations, discussion and positive 'people getting togetherness'. I think it has been a wonderful thing. The fact that it has created a lot of very high quality performances and unique recordings is by no means a small measure of its success. I think if one good recording were to be available of everything it could be on the essential list of looping listening for improvisers. Great piece Michael, I'm sorry I wasn't there to join in :) Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Peters" > > > btw I did a streaming realaudio instead of mp3 because I can't stream mp3 > > from here and a 30 minutes mp3 file download would have been too large for > > most people, I reckon. I can put the mp3 up there too if somebody really > > wants. It is large. > > I wouldn't mind a copy as mp3. I really don't like RA at this stage in the > game. > > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 21:37:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6E1XlY14757; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Tritone3@aol.com Message-ID: <167.231e92a2.2c436276@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:33:42 EDT Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_167.231e92a2.2c436276_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_167.231e92a2.2c436276_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I previously was running the TC Electronic G-Force dual outputs into the dual inputs of a Jamman. And from the dual outputs of the Jamman to my power amp. All stereo sounding effects were accurately reproduced (stereo chorus, ping-pong delays, etc.) without any problems. Currently I'm using a pair of EDP's. I'm not sure what the rest of the looping world thinks of the EDP's, but as a guitar player I think they are over priced and kill the bottom end frequencies and rob way to much signal. --part1_167.231e92a2.2c436276_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I previously was running the=20= TC Electronic G-Force dual outputs into the dual inputs of a Jamman. And fro= m the dual outputs of the Jamman to my power amp. All stereo sounding effect= s were accurately reproduced (stereo chorus, ping-pong delays, etc.) without= any problems. Currently I'm using a pair of EDP's. I'm not sure what the re= st of the looping world thinks of the EDP's, but as a guitar player I think=20= they are over priced and kill the bottom end frequencies and rob way to much= signal. --part1_167.231e92a2.2c436276_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 21:37:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6E1YD414819; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:34:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:34:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:34:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Drum loops...how do you do it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003101c34989$cb2829a0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: <44B3F4C4-B59B-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 02:57 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> How would you guys approach this? > > I used to have a groove box (MC-303) midi clock slaved to my loopers > and whenever I felt a need for some drum beats I could simply bring > the "drums fader" up on my mixer. But I even found that too > complicated because I hade to almost stop playing for a couple of > seconds now and then to change drum pattern I used to suffer anxiety about this too, until I realized that I was playing TOO damn much. I started listening to the people I really liked and I was amazed at how little would change in the music for long stretches of time. Especially dance music. It was hard to let go at first, but I actually think my music has improved because of it. Now I play less, but try harder to make it count. I also find playing the "dj" a bit mixing up my beats using the MC-307 (or now the XL-7)'s groovebox capabilities in conjunction with an AirFX and a KAOSS pad is really fun and helps keep my guitar playing fresh. Crescent fresh. You could do the human beatbox thing, and that's very cool if done well but it's not going to give you the range of cool noises todays grooveboxes can. I think both are cool and valid if used separately or together. Right now I'm using a combination of sequenced drums and MIDI keyboard triggered drums sent to the Repeater. These enter the loop and often fade after a while, replaced by new stuff. Nice changing rhythmic landscape. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 21:37:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6E1bIG15270; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:37:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:37:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:37:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [BA-NEWMUS:9999] Fwd: star trek mixer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001601c3497d$0e3e2800$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6d5USB.A.duD.NlgE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Computer. Techno beats: Loud. Earl Gray: Hot. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 01:26 PM, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Thank you very much, Mark! Fascinating! This inspires me to try > something > crudely similar with the Palm's touchscreen controlling loops on a > Kyma. > Now all I need is more time... > > Dennis Leas > ----------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:50 PM > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Fwd: [BA-NEWMUS:9999] Fwd: star trek mixer > > > Sorry for the cross post, but this looked way cool. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> >>> this stuff is way tech, and worth the wait for the demo to download. >>> 23rd century electronic music, here we come.....simply amazing. >>> >>> wanted to share...... >>> >>> http://web.media.mit.edu/~jpatten/audiopad/ >>> -- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 21:38:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6E1cIk15432; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:38:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:38:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:38:15 -0700 Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It let you position loops in a stereo field, but not really record a stereo signal. Hope that helps. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 02:04 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > At 9:14 AM -0400 7/13/03, Bill Fox wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Muir" >>> But the JamMan is not a stereo device. It passes the stereo dry >>> signal >> through, but the loop is mono. It mixes the two inputs into its mono >> loop and >> plays the mono loop through both channels. >> >> Isn't there a mod to make it true stereo? Or has my mind totally >> gone to mush? > > Well, one wouldn't like to comment on the mushiness, or lack thereof, > of another's mind. > > That said, I don't remember hearing about a mod to make the Jamman > true stereo. It would be a fairly complicated mod without much market > for it, IMO. There is the Bob Sellon OS chip that adds a bunch of > functionality, but doesn't modify the hardware for you. :-) > > -C > > -- > | In theory, there is no difference between > http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 21:44:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6E1hDP16070; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:43:10 -0700 Subject: Re: To Sync or not to Sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002f01c34987$8532d6e0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: <865C1B7A-B59C-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beautiful clip! Nice! Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 02:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] > >> Much can be done to exploit the wonders of >> unsync'd loopage... :) > > > I fully agree. I have two loopers in my rack and quite often I put the > Repeater out of sync while working the other loop in the EDP. Here's an > example of that can sound: > http://members.chello.se/boysen.p/svinsax1_clip.mp3 > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 13 21:57:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6E1reF16879; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:53:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:53:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:53:37 -0700 Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <167.231e92a2.2c436276@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really? I haven't had a lot of experience with the EDP, but when I did have it I thought the sound was good, when I made sure I had the proper gain structure in place. The EDP has a limiter at the input stage so if you feed in a loud signal you'll get some squashed harmonics which might mean the lack of tone you complain about. I had that issue too. More vexing was the defect that caused it to reboot at random times, but that's another story. I've got to counter you on the JamMan thing though. Not stereo, never was. Try putting a stereo chorus or auto panner patch through it and you'll easily see it doesn't accurately reproduce those sounds at all. It does, however, pass them. So what you play will have the stereo effect the first time, but when it hits the loop it's summed and all stereo information is lost. It is the main reason I gave mine up for the Repeater, which I think is/was a better value than the EDP for this main reason. That's my opinion. The EDP does have great dicing and slicing functions that I'd love to have access to as well. $1600 for a pair to get a stereo looper is way over priced IMO. I really would advise Gibson to either make a stereo version of the EDP or give a really good "buy one, get the second at half price" special. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Tritone3@aol.com wrote: > I previously was running the TC Electronic G-Force dual outputs into > the dual inputs of a Jamman. And from the dual outputs of the Jamman > to my power amp. All stereo sounding effects were accurately > reproduced (stereo chorus, ping-pong delays, etc.) without any > problems. Currently I'm using a pair of EDP's. I'm not sure what the > rest of the looping world thinks of the EDP's, but as a guitar player > I think they are over priced and kill the bottom end frequencies and > rob way to much signal. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 01:58:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6E5uRc00373; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:56:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:56:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030713224602.0443c5f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:57:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? In-Reply-To: <167.231e92a2.2c436276@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <46uMc.A.tF.LYkE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:33 PM 7/13/2003, Tritone3@aol.com wrote: >I previously was running the TC Electronic G-Force dual outputs into the >dual inputs of a Jamman. And from the dual outputs of the Jamman to my >power amp. All stereo sounding effects were accurately reproduced (stereo >chorus, ping-pong delays, etc.) without any problems. the jamman sums the inputs to mono for the loop. No fooling, I have the schematics. it's really true. Only audio passing through stays as stereo. Weirdly, the loop output can be stereo. That is why Bob Sellon's jamman upgrade can pan the loop into different spots in the stereo field. The input is always mono though, no software can change that. >Currently I'm using a pair of EDP's. I'm not sure what the rest of the >looping world thinks of the EDP's, but as a guitar player I think they are >over priced and kill the bottom end frequencies and rob way to much signal. sounds like you have your levels set wrong, try turning the input down a bit so you aren't overloading it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 02:35:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6E6YSJ02821; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:34:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Accessibility Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F119C83.4050106@spnz.org> Message-Id: <368AE066-B5C5-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 10:53 AM, Dave Stagner wrote: > Remember that Radiohead's Kid A opened at #1 with NO promotion from > their label and nothing radio-friendly! You know where i heard it > most? As musak at cooler stores. It's terrific background music. Here here! I love Kid A. It's their "Sergeant Pepper's." The production is loop heavy and always interesting from start to finish. Look at the last Peter Gabriel album's credits. Half the songs are credited with the use of a device called a "JamMan." Nice. > I've been thinking about accessibility a lot lately. I think > audiences are smarter than we give them credit for, and we can produce > something that can appeal to them AND to us, if we try. Exactly. Some times I think all it takes is adding a cool beat or interesting visual context. I usually try to play the room. If I'm doing a loopfest, I know there's usually a lot of open minded people attending and I can go all out with sonic mayhem. When I play 26mix I make sure there's usually a groove, something nice to look at and keep it near a tonal center for the most part. I'm not selling out, because I like both types of music and I think if you can hook people with something a bit more accessible, you can gently lead them to more "out" music. Someone might pick up the last Bowie album and hear the pretty Torn loop and think, "Oh, let me check out this guy" and be led to his more progressive solo stuff. I think his Splattercell stuff is a masterful example of adding nice grooves to interesting music. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 03:55:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6E7p3707486; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:51:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c349dc$ab30a2f0$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: BerlinLivelooping improv Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:51:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > btw I did a streaming realaudio instead of mp3 because I can't stream mp3 > from here and a 30 minutes mp3 file download would have been too large for > most people, I reckon. I can put the mp3 up there too if somebody really > wants. It is large. mp3 please! (or mp4/AAC ideally) thanks, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 08:41:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ECcU222389; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:38:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:38:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1058186265!378639 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB229@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: aleatory analogue in the house Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:35:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34A04.6D6C6210" Resent-Message-ID: <_Jr30.A.tdF.GRqE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34A04.6D6C6210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" loopsters- I ask again, in the name of all that's holy and repeatable- does my use of analogue step sequencers count (ahem..) as a looping technique, for the purposes of this list? or do I have to limit my correspondence to matters concerning jam-mans, repeaters and dl4's? (we have two of each in my band). I'm going to bang on about them anyway though. only, last night I had an old roland sequencer (model 104) hooked up to a little moog (modified rogue) and running into an mm4 and a dl4. it was totally addictive. I had forgotten how much fun it could be having the delay repeats slightly unsyncopated with the step sequencer- these days it's all midi-locked effects devices and distributed timing data round our house; this was like going back to tape-delay. I'm in the middle of designing my own analogue step sequencer, because all the ones I've bought have some shortcoming or other- they seem to be intended for users who prefer to prepare sequences rather than alter them in real-time, or they are lacking in some fundamental way. the best of the lot, the latronic notron, has a quirky interface, dodgy hardware and is currently unsupported. so I'm designing a simple 8-step device that will derive it's master clock from midi or it's own lfo, that will allow skip and reset functions and that can perform double/triple triggering so that a given step can be made to trill instead of just sounding once. if this all works out, it'll be built-in to the aforementioned moogette and I'll start on a 16 step version for my pro-1. bip bip b-b-bip bip. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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loopsters- I ask again, in the name of all that's holy an= d repeatable- does my use of analogue step sequencers count (ahem..) as a l= ooping technique, for the purposes of this list? or do I have to limit my c= orrespondence to matters concerning jam-mans, repeaters and dl4's? (we have= two of each in my band).

I'm going to bang on about them anyway though.

only, last night I had an old roland sequencer (model 104= ) hooked up to a little moog (modified rogue) and running into an mm4 and a= dl4. it was totally addictive. I had forgotten how much fun it could be ha= ving the delay repeats slightly unsyncopated with the step sequencer- these= days it's all midi-locked effects devices and distributed timing data roun= d our house; this was like going back to tape-delay.

I'm in the middle of designing my own analogue step seque= ncer, because all the ones I've bought have some shortcoming or other- they= seem to be intended for users who prefer to prepare sequences rather than = alter them in real-time, or they are lacking in some fundamental way. the b= est of the lot, the latronic notron, has a quirky interface, dodgy hardware= and is currently unsupported.

so I'm designing a simple 8-step device that will derive = it's master clock from midi or it's own lfo, that will allow skip and reset= functions and that can perform double/triple triggering so that a given st= ep can be made to trill instead of just sounding once. if this all works ou= t, it'll be built-in to the aforementioned moogette and I'll start on a 16 = step version for my pro-1.

bip bip b-b-bip bip.

duncan.




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C34A04.6D6C6210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 09:49:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EDlhu26908; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:47:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:47:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F12B3CD.7000308@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:44:45 -0600 From: jason User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Shirt Error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Guys, If someone gets a Large Long Sleeve shirt, when they ordered a short sleeve will you please contact me offlist? It seems I have accidently mailed a Long sleeve to the wrong person, and the right person must now wait patiently until I can get this resolved. Thanks! -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 09:54:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EDrNt27337; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:53:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:53:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200307140137.h6E1b0U15120@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200307140137.h6E1b0U15120@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:53:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: In search of Mr Walkers (the Rick one - has anybody seen him?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4B1VnB.A.ArG.TXrE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all does anybody have any news from mr Rick Walkers? Is there on line anybody who's in touch with him right now? He's supposed to play here in Milan on tuersday. I'd like to know when he'll arrive. In case, plz tell him to get in contact with me. he should have all my numbers... thanks Bruno Kleinefeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 12:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EFwHB04566; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:58:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:58:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:52:21 -0500 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: aleatory analogue in the house To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01c601c34a1f$e9c836c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0J7s6.A.OHB.ZMtE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >loopsters- I ask again, in the name of all that's >holy and repeatable- does my use of analogue step >sequencers count (ahem..) as a looping technique, >for the purposes of this list? or do I have to >limit my correspondence to matters concerning >jam-mans, repeaters and dl4's? (we have two of each in my band). yes! also, when you post in html, lot's of people get pissed. >so I'm designing a simple 8-step device that will derive ... have you considered a digital device that outputs cv? lots of possibilities. i have recently got into pic processors, and have lots of ideas thereabouts. jon wagner also has some great ideas in a similar vein... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 13:15:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EH9Tl10383; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:09:23 -0700 Subject: Re: aleatory analogue in the house Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB229@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 05:35 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > loopsters- I ask again, in the name of all that's holy and repeatable- > does my use of analogue step sequencers count (ahem..) as a looping > technique, for the purposes of this list? or do I have to limit my > correspondence to matters concerning jam-mans, repeaters and dl4's? > (we have two of each in my band). Sure! Although this list seems to be audio looping centric, I find no real reason why looping at a data stage would be different. I've been doing a lot of live MIDI looping using an XL-7 recently and it's been great and fun. It's got both step and realtime record modes and both work well. I ask, why go analogue though? I must admit that when I got into sequencing MIDI had already firmly taken over (1983-84) and although I owned a Roland Juno 106, I never had the chance to work with an analogue sequencer. What were their benefits? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 14:39:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EIbh518782; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:37:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:37:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:36:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Drum loops...how do you do it? From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3141038193_143556_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3141038193_143556_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Midi syncing drum box to EDP, etc. works great if you're starting your piece with the drums. Then you can slave your looper to the drum box's midi clock. But if you're going to start a piece by playing your guitar, xylophone, etc, then it's kind of tricky because you don't have a tempo to play to, unless you listen to your drum beat in headphones before you bring it up in the house mix. so . . what I've ended up doing most of the time is playing with everything unsynced, and tap-tempoing my drum machine to match whatever I've started playing and looping with my bass. I control the volume of drums and two chains of bass loops with 3 separate volume pedals going into a little Behringer table-top mixer. This unsynced approach doesn't work so well if you want stuff that's really tightly orchestrated rhythmically, but I've just adapted the way I play to be less meter-dependent, which has been super-fun and very liberating. If you want to play really tightly, use headphones as described in the first paragraph above, and start your piece with the drum box sending a midi clock to the EDP or other looper (DL4 excepted), then bring the drums up in the mix whenever you want to start hearing them. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@rcn.com --MS_Mac_OE_3141038193_143556_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Drum loops...how do you do it?
Midi syncing drum box to EDP, etc. works great if you're starting your piec= e with the drums. Then you can slave your looper to the drum box's midi cloc= k. But if you're going to start a piece by playing your guitar, xylophone, e= tc, then it's kind of tricky because you don't have a tempo to play to, unle= ss you listen to your drum beat in headphones before you bring it up in the = house mix.

so . .  what I've ended up doing most of the time is playing with ever= ything unsynced, and tap-tempoing my drum machine to match whatever I've sta= rted playing and looping with my bass. I control the volume of drums and two= chains of bass loops with 3 separate volume pedals going into a little Behr= inger table-top mixer.

This unsynced approach doesn't work so well if you want stuff that's really= tightly orchestrated rhythmically, but I've just adapted the way I play to = be less meter-dependent, which has been super-fun and very liberating.

If you want to play really tightly, use headphones as described in the firs= t paragraph above, and start your piece with the drum box sending a midi clo= ck to the EDP or other looper (DL4 excepted), then bring the drums up in the= mix whenever you want to start hearing them.



dan

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--MS_Mac_OE_3141038193_143556_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 15:33:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EJS7o23424; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030714192801.77650.qmail@web41701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:28:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Hawley Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008901c348c3$f6d73f30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Jim, Doug, Chris, Kim, Tritone3, Mark, etc.. Thanks VERY MUCH for your help in this. It appears that the Boss DD-20 will meet my immediate needs (stereo, low price, 20 seconds of delay, loop feature only), but that I won't really be able to "expand" from these features at all. The requirement that you have to keep your foot on the pedal sounds annoying, but I could live with it. I haven't heard any mention of an "undo" feature for the DD-20, and this may be a case where, after buying something adequate & cheap, later down the road you wish you'd just dropped the cash for a unit with more features... I think I like the two-used-EDP's option the best, if I can find them... Another option might be to get a single EDP (which is on sale at Musician's Friend for $799, by the way) "for starters", and just resign myself to mono for any looping work for the time being... :-( and then upgrade to a second EDP later. Then I'd only have mono in the loops, but could presumably get full stereo for each first "instance" when the audience hears something new. Maybe the Jamman would be a decent compromise, if I could get one. Granted that it would loop a stereo-inputted signal, it would at least allow me to seamlessly go from full-on stereo input signal with no looping (for songs where I'm not looping), to mono-only signal when I'm looping, and always be doing stereo output regardles --- all without having to stop the concert while I plug & unplug cables between songs. (A final option is just to wait around another year and learn to play my instrument better, and see what kind of technology is available next year.) So now that I know what's out there, I'll just have to make a (painful) decision about what I'm willing to do... As for other loopers in Texas! I do not do any looping yet, but am interested in getting into it and would be happy to come to any gathering to hear others. If Austin in most central for you, then that's easy for me! Please send me a private message if something is planned, either at this address or at scott@scotthawley.com. Cheers, Scott __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 15:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EJYjK24343; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F1308B6.C01539EA@erols.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:47:03 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum loops...how do you do it? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dan Soltzberg wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7bit You can have the EDP be the master MIDI clock and have your drum machine play along. Play a one or two bar loop, and then the EDP will send out MIDI clock to your drum machine. I do this a lot with a KORG ER-1 and it works great. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 15:52:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EJoSG26353; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:50:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.187.191.43] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: chrismandel@juno.com Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:49:06 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: chrismandel@juno.com Message-Id: <20030714.154922.15571.345841@webmail20.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [Currently I'm using a pair of EDP's. I'm not sure what the rest of the >looping world thinks of the EDP's, but as a guitar player I think they are >over priced and kill the bottom end frequencies and rob way to much signal.] I tell ya, i'm tired of hearing that EDP's and Repeaters are over priced. Have you ever asked a pro cello or harp player what their instrument costs? 10s if not 100s of thousands of dollars. Here's the reality: most of you have pasion for looping and need the upper end stuff to be satisfied. If these units were priced twice as high as they are, you would still buy them. -chris ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 15:57:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EJtJq27030; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:55:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:55:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:55:07 EDT Subject: Gibson Echoplex inpt level? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: <_jbmzC.A.LmG.mqwE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just curious if anyone knows... on the Gibson Echoplex units (white), are the input resistors still the "modified" type described on the LD FAQ? As in: >>>Change R30 from 82.5 K to a 22.1 K 1% metal film resistor Change R10 from 2.21 K to a 10.0 K 1% metal film resistor>>> Mine seems to have too much gain on input to really handle a preamped signal, and does seem a little sluggish (but workable) on output. Of course the input was also totally fried when I bought it, so I'm always wondering if the distortion I hear on input is some kinda residual "stuff" from that repair job. I seem to be able to get distortion without the input LED even turning anything other than green. Thanks for any info, Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 15:59:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EJx8527442; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:59:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030714125759.015029d0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> X-Sender: armatronix2003@sbcglobal.net@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:58:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? In-Reply-To: <167.231e92a2.2c436276@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The T.C. Electronics D-Two loops in stereo and is relatively affordable. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 16:10:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EK7Tp27964; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:07:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:07:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030714200727.68716.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: more dd20 ?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030714192801.77650.qmail@web41701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Scott Hawley wrote: > It appears that the Boss DD-20 will meet my immediate > needs (stereo, low price, 20 seconds of delay, loop > feature only), Is the loop mode on the DD20 true stereo? That'd be a major point in it's favor if it was. > I think I like the two-used-EDP's option the best, if > I can find them... Good luck. > Another option might be to get a single EDP (which is > on sale at Musician's Friend for $799, by the way) Try Alto Music in NY. I believe their price is a little lower then that. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 16:16:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EKFTG28596; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030714201528.61059.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030714.154922.15571.345841@webmail20.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- chrismandel@juno.com wrote: > > [Currently I'm using a pair of EDP's. I'm not sure what the rest of the > >looping world thinks of the EDP's, but as a guitar player I think they are > >over priced and kill the bottom end frequencies and rob way to much signal.] > > I tell ya, i'm tired of hearing that EDP's and Repeaters are over priced. Have > you ever asked a pro cello or harp player what their instrument costs? 10s if > not 100s of thousands of dollars. Here's the reality: most of you have pasion > for looping and need the upper end stuff to be satisfied. If these units were > priced twice as high as they are, you would still buy them. -chris Interesting theory, Chris, but I don't agree. I have a passion for looping, it works the same way my pathetic little musical mind works, but I just don't have the money for much more then I've spent. In fact, I got into looping MANY years too late because all the tools were too expensive for me. It was only when the DL4 came out with a loop feature tacked onto a regular delay that I finally used it and found what I'd wanted all those years. Then I shopped around for a more advanced looper. My choice was between the EDP and the Repeater for the features I thought I needed. In the end, the decision was determined primarily by the price. The Repeater was about $200 less then the EDP (once you figured in the cost of the footpedal), so I bought what I could. It was a good decision, from the standpoint that the Repeater also had a "recorder like" paradigm, which worked well with my background, but within a year the company had crapped the bed and the thing was discontinued with no hopes of upgrades or much support. The EDP would have been a better choice from those standpoints, but I just couldn't swing the expense. So sure, it would have been nice to have "saved up" for it, but the reality is that it would have taken me -another- year to have gotten into looping if that had been my only option. It might have discouraged me enough to forget it (the price of a new Jamman or EH 16sec in the 80s did...) Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 16:24:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EKMYa29221; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:22:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:22:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030714202233.62547.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030714125759.015029d0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Hans Lindauer wrote: > The T.C. Electronics D-Two loops in stereo and is relatively affordable. Only problem is that it's not a true looper (ie, it's a conventional delay, doesn't have anything loop specific in it), and it's only got 5 sec of delay time in stereo. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 16:27:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EKKaE29050; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:20:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:20:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5109880.1058214029539.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:20:28 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course, for $1600 you don't get just a stereo pair, but the (far more interesting, IMO) option of two totally independent loopers, and two syncable loopers. Also, what would the price have to be on two EDP's for you to buy them? Consider, Gibson doesn't sell direct. It's a pain in the ass, it costs them money, it would irritate their dealer network. If they cut you a deal on two EDP's, I predict it'd be about thirty seconds before "Re: Mega Group EDP Buy!" mails start flooding the list. Who's pocket does the discount come out of (because it has to come out of someone's)? Gibson's? The dealer? Do you have to buy them as a package, or if you've ever bought one do you get the discount? If an EDP street price is $800, and you want $600 off for buying two, how much do you think the dealer is making per unit? How much is Gibson? Everyone wants more for less, but some wants are more reasonable than others. TravisH (Speaking as someone who's bought three EDP's over the years) Mark said: > $1600 for a pair to get a stereo looper is way over priced IMO. I really would >advise Gibson to either make a stereo version of the EDP or give a >really good "buy one, get the second at half price" special. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 16:27:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EKP0V29547; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:25:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:25:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030714202454.41563.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: RE: aleatory analogue in the house To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200307141933.h6EJXNE24210@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5r_JfC.A.jNH.cGxE_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duncan, Have you ever come across a Serge 16 stage sequencer? Now manufactured by Sound Transform Systems. No website, though there is an unofficial site called EGRES (which is Serge spelled backwards). Like most real tools, this one will not do what you want it to, rather it sits you down and takes you on a really wild joy ride, one that you'll never forget. This little unit can do things that NO computer has yet to shake a stick at. It outputs CV only, and takes trigger inputs. MIDI to CV modules are readily available as well. I used to work with Serge back in the 70's. I swear that music took a giant step backwards when digital *everything* came around. Not because of digital per se, rather the brainwashing that lulled most of the world into forgetting that what we have right in front of us works in ways that digital can't, won't, and probably never will. Stephen <<< Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EKkll31928; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:46:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:46:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c34a49$17ab0da0$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5109880.1058214029539.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:47:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We're Americans. We love to bitch and moan about anything we can, including the price of some obscure niche market hardware device for making sound repeat over and over which we are lucky to have available in the first place considering how niche it is. If someone would just release a device that could compete with the EDP in terms of features and functionality the price would go down. Too bad the Repeater got mothballed. Maybe someone should try licensing the OS code or something from the company who owns it. Reverse engineering? I'm no code wizard, so I don't know how feasible such a thing is. All I know is I'm sitting here playing along with a sequence doing the Quantize=8th, InsertMode=Replace, Andy Butler "Backwater" dance with my EDP Sync=In from Sonar, and it's pretty goddamnedmutherfuckingcoolashell. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! > Of course, for $1600 you don't get just a stereo pair, but the (far more interesting, IMO) option of two totally independent loopers, and two syncable loopers. > > Also, what would the price have to be on two EDP's for you to buy them? > > Consider, Gibson doesn't sell direct. It's a pain in the ass, it costs them money, it would irritate their dealer network. If they cut you a deal on two EDP's, I predict it'd be about thirty seconds before "Re: Mega Group EDP Buy!" mails start flooding the list. Who's pocket does the discount come out of (because it has to come out of someone's)? Gibson's? The dealer? Do you have to buy them as a package, or if you've ever bought one do you get the discount? > > If an EDP street price is $800, and you want $600 off for buying two, how much do you think the dealer is making per unit? How much is Gibson? Everyone wants more for less, but some wants are more reasonable than others. > > TravisH > > (Speaking as someone who's bought three EDP's over the years) > > Mark said: > > $1600 for a pair to get a stereo looper is way over priced IMO. I really would > >advise Gibson to either make a stereo version of the EDP or give a > >really good "buy one, get the second at half price" special. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 17:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ELHLX02813; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:17:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:17:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5109880.1058214029539.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-Id: <89CBECA2-B640-11D7-A3C3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not $1200 for a pair of new EDPs? It could be in the form of an instant rebate from Gibson so dealers wouldn't be hurt. I bet a lot of people who were thinking about buying one would spend $400 more for a second. Maybe Gibson wouldn't make money off the second EDP, but they'd double their sales and increase visibility at the same time. From a marketing standpoint it might be worth it. Now, the smart thing, IMO would be for Gibson to make a stereo EDP. Lot's of things wouldn't need to be duplicated twice, making the overall cost cheaper for them. I know sales of the EDP are small and Gibson doesn't feel it's worth it do a stereo upgrade or they would have already. Shame, but it's the truth. It's also silly to compare the cost of a factory made piece of gear with a hand crafted instrument. Totally different birds. On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 02:20 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > If an EDP street price is $800, and you want $600 off for buying two, > how much do you think the dealer is making per unit? How much is > Gibson? Everyone wants more for less, but some wants are more > reasonable than others. > > TravisH > > (Speaking as someone who's bought three EDP's over the years) > > Mark said: >> $1600 for a pair to get a stereo looper is way over priced IMO. I >> really would >> advise Gibson to either make a stereo version of the EDP or give a >> really good "buy one, get the second at half price" special. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 18:18:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EMBXY07348; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:11:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030714221131.40007.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:11:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <89CBECA2-B640-11D7-A3C3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mark wrote: > Why not $1200 for a pair of new EDPs? It could be in the form of an > instant rebate from Gibson so dealers wouldn't be hurt. I bet a lot of > people who were thinking about buying one would spend $400 more for a > second. Maybe Gibson wouldn't make money off the second EDP, but > they'd double their sales and increase visibility at the same time. > From a marketing standpoint it might be worth it. We'd just see a boatload of "new" EDPs on Ebay. > Now, the smart thing, IMO would be for Gibson to make a stereo EDP. > Lot's of things wouldn't need to be duplicated twice, making the > overall cost cheaper for them. I know sales of the EDP are small and > Gibson doesn't feel it's worth it do a stereo upgrade or they would > have already. Shame, but it's the truth. They could do it with minimal effort by packaging two of the current units inside the same chassis, with the BrotherSync already hooked up, possibly with a single power supply. It'd be 2U high, but a lot of other boxes are 2U high and nobody complains. This would allow them to lower the price on the 2nd unit without risking losing sales to people who really only wanted one but thought they could make some money by selling off the "freebie" for a profit. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 18:40:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EMbu310403; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:37:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:37:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030714153215.04264008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:38:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Drum loops...how do you do it? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:36 AM 7/14/2003, Dan Soltzberg wrote: >Midi syncing drum box to EDP, etc. works great if you're starting your >piece with the drums. Then you can slave your looper to the drum box's >midi clock. But if you're going to start a piece by playing your guitar, >xylophone, etc, then it's kind of tricky because you don't have a tempo to >play to, unless you listen to your drum beat in headphones before you >bring it up in the house mix. You can use the new TempoSelect function in the LoopIV upgrade and in the new EDP+. Then the Echoplex can always be the clock master, and you can choose to have it send out clock before you have actually recorded your loop. In this way you can choose to have the sequencer start first, record the loop first, or record the loop simultaneously with the sequencer starting. You could have a click track play from this clock output as a guide before you recorded your loop, or have the click built into the beginning of a drum sequence but only directed to your monitor or headphones. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 19:02:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6EMxd612759; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:59:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:59:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030714155029.039ad350@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:00:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex inpt level? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:55 PM 7/14/2003, DialaThos@aol.com wrote: >Just curious if anyone knows... on the Gibson Echoplex units (white), are the >input resistors still the "modified" type described on the LD FAQ? As in: > > >>>Change R30 from 82.5 K to a 22.1 K 1% metal film resistor >Change R10 from 2.21 K to a 10.0 K 1% metal film resistor>>> I think they all had that change, but maybe there were some early ones in that phase that didn't. >Mine seems to have too much gain on input to really handle a preamped signal, >and does seem a little sluggish (but workable) on output. the purpose of the input stage mod was just to make the knob work in a more useful range. If you have too much input signal, turn the knob down. If it is all the way at the bottom of the range, then probably your unit doesn't have the gain changed. With the mod, there should be enough gain through it to convert from a -10dB signal to +4dBu, if that were your goal. > Of course the >input was also totally fried when I bought it, so I'm always wondering if the >distortion I hear on input is some kinda residual "stuff" from that repair >job. I >seem to be able to get distortion without the input LED even turning anything >other than green. In your case then, impossible to say. Maybe it is damaged. You could just open it up and check the resistor values to know if that is the issue or not. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 20:13:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F0BcL18479; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:11:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:11:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030714221131.40007.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice point. On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 03:11 PM, Greg House wrote: > > They could do it with minimal effort by packaging two of the current > units inside the same chassis, with the BrotherSync already hooked up, > possibly with a single power supply. It'd be 2U high, but a lot of > other boxes are 2U high and nobody complains. This would allow them to > lower the price on the 2nd unit without risking losing sales to people > who really only wanted one but thought they could make some money by > selling off the "freebie" for a profit. > > Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 20:15:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F0DbF18692; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:13:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:13:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:13:16 EDT Subject: Re: aleatory analogue in the house To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d.14e5ff38.2c44a11c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d.14e5ff38.2c44a11c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Duncan- I'd say analogue sequencers are loopers... You just described my whole thang- I use analogue sequencers, midi arpeggiators, midi sequencers and some pre-midi digital things, as well as some custom-built midi/cv/midi processors to make my music. I haven't done an audio loop (tape recorders) for many years (start hurling stones at the heretic now, folks!) though I'm starting to want to drop a midi-syncable audio looper on top of all my sequencer stuff. I need more FX in my studio anyway, and it seems I can never have too many delay-based devices. Audio looper dept: I just got a Roland Space Echo (201) for cheap from believe it or not, an antique mall. The manager saw me buying some odd ethnic instruments and dragged out the 201 and said here ya go. It needs a toggle switch replaced, but otherwise doesn't seem to be 100% right- not much of a delay signal at the output, it's kind of muffled (I don't know anything about Space Echo units!) but if I put some finger pressure on the tape against the head I get good signal. Are there any Space Echo experts on this list? Can someone point me in the right direction for finding out about this machines quirks & appetites? Thanks in advance. Best, Tim Fluharty In a message dated 7/14/03 5:39:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > loopsters- I ask again, in the name of all that's holy and repeatable- does > my use of analogue step sequencers count (ahem..) as a looping technique, > for the purposes of this list? or do I have to limit my correspondence to > matters concerning jam-mans, repeaters and dl4's? (we have two of each in my > band). > > I'm going to bang on about them anyway though. > > only, last night I had an old roland sequencer (model 104) hooked up to a > little moog (modified rogue) and running into an mm4 and a dl4. it was totally > addictive. I had forgotten how much fun it could be having the delay repeats > slightly unsyncopated with the step sequencer- these days it's all > midi-locked effects devices and distributed timing data round our house; this was like > going back to tape-delay. > > I'm in the middle of designing my own analogue step sequencer, because all > the ones I've bought have some shortcoming or other- they seem to be intended > for users who prefer to prepare sequences rather than alter them in > real-time, or they are lacking in some fundamental way. the best of the lot, the > latronic notron, has a quirky interface, dodgy hardware and is currently > unsupported. > > so I'm designing a simple 8-step device that will derive it's master clock > from midi or it's own lfo, that will allow skip and reset functions and that > can perform double/triple triggering so that a given step can be made to > trill instead of just sounding once. if this all works out, it'll be built-in to > the aforementioned moogette and I'll start on a 16 step version for my pro-1. > > bip bip b-b-bip bip. > > duncan. > > > --part1_d.14e5ff38.2c44a11c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Duncan-

I'd say analogue sequencers are loopers... You just described my whole thang= - I use analogue sequencers, midi arpeggiators, midi sequencers and some pre= -midi digital things, as well as some custom-built midi/cv/midi processors t= o make my music. I haven't done an audio loop (tape recorders) for many year= s (start hurling stones at the heretic now, folks!) though I'm starting to w= ant to drop a midi-syncable audio looper on top of all my sequencer stuff. I= need more FX in my studio anyway, and it seems I can never have too many de= lay-based devices.

Audio looper dept: I just got a Roland Space Echo (201) for cheap from belie= ve it or not, an antique mall. The manager saw me buying some odd ethnic ins= truments and dragged out the 201 and said here ya go. It needs a toggle swit= ch replaced, but otherwise doesn't seem to be 100% right- not much of a dela= y signal at the output, it's kind of muffled (I don't know anything about Sp= ace Echo units!) but if I put some finger pressure on the tape against the h= ead I get good signal. Are there any Space Echo experts on this list? Can so= meone point me in the right direction for finding out about this machines qu= irks & appetites? Thanks in advance.

Best,

Tim Fluharty


In a message dated 7/14/03 5:39:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, goddard.duncan@= mtvne.com writes:

loopsters- I ask again, in the=20= name of all that's holy and repeatable- does my use of analogue step sequenc= ers count (ahem..) as a looping technique, for the purposes of this list? or= do I have to limit my correspondence to matters concerning jam-mans, repeat= ers and dl4's? (we have two of each in my band).

I'm going to bang on abo= ut them anyway though.

only, last night I had an ol= d roland sequencer (model 104) hooked up to a little moog (modified rogue) a= nd running into an mm4 and a dl4. it was totally addictive. I had forgotten=20= how much fun it could be having the delay repeats slightly unsyncopated with= the step sequencer- these days it's all midi-locked effects devices and dis= tributed timing data round our house; this was like going back to tape-delay= .

I'm in the middle of des= igning my own analogue step sequencer, because all the ones I've bought have= some shortcoming or other- they seem to be intended for users who prefer to= prepare sequences rather than alter them in real-time, or they are lacking=20= in some fundamental way. the best of the lot, the latronic notron, has a qui= rky interface, dodgy hardware and is currently unsupported.

so I'm designing a simpl= e 8-step device that will derive it's master clock from midi or it's own lfo= , that will allow skip and reset functions and that can perform double/tripl= e triggering so that a given step can be made to trill instead of just sound= ing once. if this all works out, it'll be built-in to the aforementioned moo= gette and I'll start on a 16 step version for my pro-1.

bip bip b-b-bip bip.

duncan.




--part1_d.14e5ff38.2c44a11c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 21:20:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F1Imj23817; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:18:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:18:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:18:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307150015.h6F0F3218809@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <45D3DB4F-B662-11D7-AA50-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a feeling it wouldn't be "minimal effort". Minimal effort is something like updating the silkscreened graphics on the front from "Oberheim" to "Gibson". Making a new metal case, with all the controls duplicated, a new power supply (and since it's an internal supply, I think there's some re-certification that Gibson would have to complete, but I could be wrong), testing to make sure that there weren't any thermal problems or noise/interference issues, adjusting the production/assembly line for this new thing, re-doing the manual, new box, marketing info, etc--that doesn't sound very minimal. When all is said and done, it'd probably cost about the same as two Echoplexes. And what's the market for the double-decker EDP? Small, really small--at any realistic price point for such a thing. If you think you've got to have a second EDP cheap, they go for about $550 on eBay, often with the foot controller. TravisH On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 05:15 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > They could do it with minimal effort by packaging two of the current > units inside > the same chassis, with the BrotherSync already hooked up, possibly > with a single > power supply. It'd be 2U high, but a lot of other boxes are 2U high > and nobody > complains. This would allow them to lower the price on the 2nd unit > without > risking losing sales to people who really only wanted one but thought > they could > make some money by selling off the "freebie" for a profit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 21:48:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F1lYf26477; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:47:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:47:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030714153817.02ab7a68@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:40:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? In-Reply-To: References: <178.1d811893.2c4246ef@aol.com> <178.1d811893.2c4246ef@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:55 PM 7/12/2003 -0700, Chris Muir wrote: >But the JamMan is not a stereo device. It passes the stereo dry signal >through, but the loop is mono. It mixes the two inputs into its mono loop >and plays the mono loop through both channels. On a (sorta, kinda) related note, does anybody have a hardcopy of a Line 6 Echo Pro manual with the unit schematic in it? I got one on final blowout -- so no box or manual -- and the online .pdf file seems to have the schematic missing. The reason I ask is that taking a quick look at the schematic from the Filter Pro manual, and, making the assumption that the hardware architecture is the same for the entire studio modelling line, it looks as if there's no *hardware* limitation for stereo looping there. Unless I'm mis-reading the schematic, I'm not seeing a point where the stereo inputs are explicitly summed. So should I assume we're accusing the Echo Pro of summing to mono before the looper because enough people have tested and confirmed that fact, or because the specs states it somewhere? (haven't had the little devil for very long, but i put stereo in and i get stereo out. could be the extra echo effect doing pseudo-stereo, though. i'll have to go in there and kick the crap out of it later...) Sanity check, please? -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 21:52:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F1pL826828; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:51:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030715015120.92966.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: aleatory analogue in the house To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd be interested as well in reading more about their benefits and how they compare to the soft sequencer Numerology, which is supposedly based on analog sequencing. Paolo --- mark wrote: > although I owned a Roland Juno 106, I never had the > chance to work with > an analogue sequencer. What were their benefits? > > Mark Sottilaro > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 21:57:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F1lou26528; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:47:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <40.31f49eb8.2c44b73b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:47:39 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V03 #510 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/14/03 5:16:30 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: >> >>>Change R30 from 82.5 K to a 22.1 K 1% metal film resistor >>Change R10 from 2.21 K to a 10.0 K 1% metal film resistor>>> > >I think they all had that change, but maybe there were some early ones >in >that phase that didn't. Thanks for the input Kim. I'm looking at the resistors right now, but I have no idea how to "read" the color bands, so here's whats there: R10 looks like: BROWN - black black red - BROWN (with a blue casing) R30 looks like: RED - red black red - BROWN (with a grey casing) Any idea what these are? Thanks! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 22:27:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F2Qk929550; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:27:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c34a78$af5c5260$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030714153817.02ab7a68@spamarrest.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Several years ago I bought a second EDP primarily because I wanted stereo looping. To my surprise, I hardly ever use the pair in stereo. Typically, I find it much more useful to have two independent EDPs, sometimes synced and sometimes not. Perhaps it's just how and what I loop. But, I'm curious, how many owners of multi-EDP set-ups actually use them in stereo? Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 14 23:24:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F3Mm701522; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:22:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:22:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:27:06 -0500 Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030714153817.02ab7a68@spamarrest.com> Message-Id: <3603316C-B674-11D7-8FC2-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Catilyne wrote: > So should I assume we're accusing the Echo Pro of summing to mono > before the looper because enough people have tested and confirmed that > fact, or because the specs states it somewhere? (haven't had the > little devil for very long, but i put stereo in and i get stereo out. > could be the extra echo effect doing pseudo-stereo, though. i'll have > to go in there and kick the crap out of it later...) i don't know man ... the architecture of the Echo Pro would concievably allow for things like MIDI sync as well, but they didn't bother with that either. i just remember calling Line6 about the issue and somebody being pretty rude to me about the lack of functionality in the looper mode. he said i shouldn't expect it to do much because it's "just for fun". i decided not to buy one at that point. ---- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 00:06:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F45Qh04502; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <51.321e5231.2c44d77a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:05:14 EDT Subject: Re: tea shirt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_51.321e5231.2c44d77a_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_51.321e5231.2c44d77a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah Jason, thanks for the tee and thanks to Kim for providing such a great forum! -Todd --part1_51.321e5231.2c44d77a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah Jason, thanks for th= e tee and thanks to Kim for providing such a great forum!
-Todd --part1_51.321e5231.2c44d77a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 01:22:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F5HiJ12378; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:17:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:17:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015601c34a90$cf96d2e0$642bae40@kinesys1> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <20030714200727.68716.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: more dd20 ?? Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:20:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is the loop mode on the DD20 true stereo? That'd be > a major point in it's favor if it was. According to the manual, it is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 01:59:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F5t9u15354; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:55:06 -0700 Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030714153817.02ab7a68@spamarrest.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The delay effects are stereo, but the looper is mono. Must be summed digitally at some point. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 06:40 PM, Catilyne wrote: > > So should I assume we're accusing the Echo Pro of summing to mono > before the looper because enough people have tested and confirmed that > fact, or because the specs states it somewhere? (haven't had the > little devil for very long, but i put stereo in and i get stereo out. > could be the extra echo effect doing pseudo-stereo, though. i'll have > to go in there and kick the crap out of it later...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 03:08:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F74R719496; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.119.194.65] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: San Francisco Found Objects Festival (in Oakland) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:04:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2003 07:04:21.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[50EB28B0:01C34A9F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey everyone, Found Object Festival time is approaching, and I have one opening that I'd like to fill with a looping musician. For those who haven't seen my postings on these events, they're kind of unusual. The musicians are not allowed to bring anything that makes a sound. Only stuff for affecting, processing, manipulating and organizing sounds. All sound-generating items are submitted by the audience in the form of objects from home. As you can imagine, it's definitely in the experimental/avant-garde realm of things. People who are currently booked include Thomas Dimuzio (seminal noise musician), Big City Orchestra (seminal experimental band), Rent Romus, Coelacanth ("lowercase"/textural music duo), and a number of locals from the improvisation and experimental electronic scenes. The time slot will be 20 to 30 minutes. It's a 2 day festival, Fri/Sat September 19/20 @ 21 Grand gallery in Oakland. 8 to 11 pm. Pay is a share of the door, which admittedly rarely gets to be more than $15. However, last year's festival and this spring's "Found Objects Night" brought in between 30 and 50 people each night, which is pretty good for local experimental music. Good exposure I think. Anyway, let me know if you're interested. Priority goes to folks who haven't done one of these before, but sound up for the challenge. (For example, not asking if you can bring your guitar.) And don't worry about there only being one slot. There'll be another "Found Objects Night" early next year, and if I get too many responses to this I'll save slots for that. For this particular slot, I'm specifically seeking either percussive loops or "ambient music", or both - all from audience-submitted objects mind you! Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 03:55:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F7qFd22432; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:52:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:52:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <026301c34aa5$f9d39c40$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: t-shirt Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:51:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0260_01C34AAE.59EAF080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2003 07:52:13.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[00ED8AE0:01C34AA6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0260_01C34AAE.59EAF080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It arrived - yay! sunny england has never looked so loopy i meant to order a long sleeve but i just notivced i forgot to mention = that=20 oh well ! 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It arrived - yay!
sunny england has never looked so=20 loopy
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0260_01C34AAE.59EAF080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 03:55:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F7m8Q21861; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:48:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:48:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c34aa5$6dff6820$2ccfc22b@AOstler> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: anything in San Diego? Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:48:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com specifically from July 27 to August 1, which is when I'll be there. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 03:57:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F7tQV22662; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:55:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:55:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <145.1568bdfa.2c450d62@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:55:14 EDT Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <4hf_3.A.8hF.tN7E_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > They could do it with minimal effort by packaging two of the current > > units inside the same chassis, . It'd be 2U high, ...but then the only saving would be the bit of metal on the top of one EDP and the bottom of the other :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 04:01:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F7xlV22942; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030715095910.02bcf538@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:00:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Where do i send it? In-Reply-To: <200307150015.h6F0F3J18807@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3748550==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_3748550==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed High; Any word on where to send tracks for the Bass Loop CD? Thanks; JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_3748550==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" High;

Any word on  where to send tracks for the Bass Loop CD?

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 --=====================_3748550==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 05:16:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6F9E8a26946; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 05:14:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 05:14:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030715091402.77719.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:14:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030714153817.02ab7a68@spamarrest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Catilyne wrote: > On a (sorta, kinda) related note, does anybody have > a hardcopy of a Line 6 > Echo Pro manual with the unit schematic in it? I'm flipping through the manual now, and I'm not finding a schematic. However, the specs chart on page A5 (last page in the manual) specifies that the loop mode is mono. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 08:23:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FCLO306306; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:21:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:21:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F13F1F3.5C209F74@siba.fi> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:22:11 +0300 From: tkorhone Organization: Sibelius Academy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Want my own Repeater! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, I´m writing from Finland, i´m a newcomer on this list and i´d really like to buy an Electrix Repeater. it seems that there isn´t any free Repeaters in Finland, so i´m trying this list to find one. So if there is anybody who is willing to sell one or knows where i could get one, please write me to tkorhone@siba.fi and let me know! best wishes from Finland! Topi Korhonen and thanks for everybody on this list for the most inspiring conversation! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 09:28:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FDR4211331; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:27:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1058275570!440067 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB25A@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: aleatory analogue in the house Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:23:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34AD4.592C1810" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AD4.592C1810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I ask, why go analogue though? I must admit that when I got into sequencing MIDI had already firmly taken over (1983-84) and although I owned a Roland Juno 106, I never had the chance to work with an analogue sequencer. What were their benefits?<< (mark s) (I'm set to plain text at all times, btw- I don't know what happened there.... unless it's an exchange option when starting a new mail rather than replying. sorry, anyway). as far as operation goes, there's much more difference than there is in the quirks of circuit design. an "analogue" step sequencer is usually taken to be one that allows editing of the pattern while it's running. this may not be dictionary-accurate, but it's the common interpretation. thus, the future-retro mobius is "analogue" while the tb303 from which it was derived is not. there are "analogue" sequencers that work in the midi domain- the doepfer maq, regelwork and schaltwerk, the frostwave fat controller &c &c. sometimes they have memories aswell, these things, but they all let you adjust the pattern while it's running, even if it's been recalled from storage. that's their appeal to a looper. things like the mmt8, the mc202, the tb303, the pro-1..... they just play what you record into them, and you're stuck with it. "I'm a freak and I like to tweak...." >>Have you ever come across a Serge 16 stage sequencer?....... I swear that music took a giant step backwards when digital *everything* came around. Not because of digital per se, rather the brainwashing that lulled most of the world into forgetting that what we have right in front of us works in ways that digital can't, won't, and probably never will.<< no, stephen, I haven't.... I wish I could find out more. this is what's driven me to design my own. I've tried most step sequencers and always there's something missing. they are hardware-intensive, and things like the latronic notron met with poor sales because no-one really understood it. and so now there's no support for them... :-( I will need to spend about 500UKP on rehousing mine and with better hardware. for me, and this is something that comes up in interviews from time to time (the whole a versus d debate, the equipment arms race amongst electronic music acts... yawn.....), it was unfortunate that a growing culture of instant gratification should have coincided with readily available digital audio technology. back in 1983, when the dx7 appeared, we were all still reeling from the shock of polyphonic synths suddenly being affordable (juno-6 et al) when korg responded with the poly-6 which had.... memories..... so the dx7 had to have memories too. this tilted the balance in favour of the library-sound approach. the dx7 was an absolute swine to program, especially if one was used to dealing with the standard (minimoog) layout- oscillators over here, filter there and vca on the right. (rick wakeman designed the panel for the prophet 5 on a napkin, laying out the controls per the mini but styling it after bang&olufsen hifi....) and so everyone except brian eno used the dx7's library sounds. same thing with samplers. I mean, if you bought a prodigy or a cs-15 or something, you'd get a little herb deutsch beginner's guide and some patch-charts ("violin", "bass guitar" and so forth). but the s900 came with discs with these sounds already on them, and very little by way of encouraging you to personalise the noises. the dx7 was prepopulated with useable (read: instant gratification) sounds, and it's been that way ever since. even "analogue" monsters like the supernova come replete with ready-to-go fat sounds that prod you along in a particular direction unless (like I did) you find a way to wipe them all so you are forced to start from scratch and actually use the knobs on the thing. so my measured response is this: it's not about analogue vs digital, it's about how much encouragement and opportunity there is to go y'r own way sonically. and of course, it's also a lot easier if there are library sounds for a hopelessly inept synthesiser player to pretend they're a synthesist. instant gratification is important to tech manufacturers because it assists in the commoditisation of music and this generates more business for them; that's why the market is awash with boxes that have presets and librarys easily available. meanwhile, the stuff that actually requires creative input from a sonic sculptor working from scratch to create something original, costs as much as a house. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I ask, why go analogue though?  I must admit= that when I
got into sequencing MIDI had already firmly taken over (= 1983-84) and
although I owned a Roland Juno 106, I never had the chan= ce to work with
an analogue sequencer.  What were their benefits?&l= t;< (mark s)

(I'm set to plain text at all times, btw- I don't know wh= at happened there.... unless it's an exchange option when starting a new ma= il rather than replying. sorry, anyway).

as far as operation goes, there's much more difference th= an there is in the quirks of circuit design. an "analogue" step s= equencer is usually taken to be one that allows editing of the pattern whil= e it's running. this may not be dictionary-accurate, but it's the common in= terpretation. thus, the future-retro mobius is "analogue" while t= he tb303 from which it was derived is not. there are "analogue" s= equencers that work in the midi domain- the doepfer maq, regelwork and scha= ltwerk, the frostwave fat controller &c &c. sometimes they have mem= ories aswell, these things, but they all let you adjust the pattern while i= t's running, even if it's been recalled from storage. that's their appeal t= o a looper. things like the mmt8, the mc202, the tb303, the pro-1..... they= just play what you record into them, and you're stuck with it.

"I'm a freak and I like to tweak...."

>>Have you ever come across a Serge 16 stage sequen= cer?....... I swear that music took a giant step backwards
when digital *everything* came around.  Not because= of digital per se, rather the brainwashing
that lulled most of the world into forgetting that what = we have right in front of us works in ways
that digital can't, won't, and probably never will.<&= lt;

no, stephen, I haven't.... I wish I could find out more. = this is what's driven me to design my own. I've tried most step sequencers = and always there's something missing. they are hardware-intensive, and thin= gs like the latronic notron met with poor sales because no-one really under= stood it. and so now there's no support for them... :-( I will need to spen= d about 500UKP on rehousing mine and with better hardware.

for me, and this is something that comes up in interviews= from time to time (the whole a versus d debate, the equipment arms race am= ongst electronic music acts... yawn.....), it was unfortunate that a growin= g culture of instant gratification should have coincided with readily avail= able digital audio technology.

back in 1983, when the dx7 appeared, we were all still re= eling from the shock of polyphonic synths suddenly being affordable (juno-6= et al) when korg responded with the poly-6 which had.... memories.....

so the dx7 had to have memories too. this tilted the bala= nce in favour of the library-sound approach. the dx7 was an absolute swine = to program, especially if one was used to dealing with the standard (minimo= og) layout- oscillators over here, filter there and vca on the right.

(rick wakeman designed the panel for the prophet 5 on a n= apkin, laying out the controls per the mini but styling it after bang&o= lufsen hifi....)

and so everyone except brian eno used the dx7's library s= ounds.

same thing with samplers. I mean, if you bought a prodigy= or a cs-15 or something, you'd get a little herb deutsch beginner's guide = and some patch-charts ("violin", "bass guitar" and so f= orth). but the s900 came with discs with these sounds already on them, and = very little by way of encouraging you to personalise the noises. the dx7 wa= s prepopulated with useable (read: instant gratification) sounds, and it's = been that way ever since. even "analogue" monsters like the super= nova come replete with ready-to-go fat sounds that prod you along in a part= icular direction unless (like I did) you find a way to wipe them all so you= are forced to start from scratch and actually use the knobs on the thing.<= /FONT>

so my measured response is this: it's not about analogue = vs digital, it's about how much encouragement and opportunity there is to g= o y'r own way sonically. and of course, it's also a lot easier if there are= library sounds for a hopelessly inept synthesiser player to pretend they'r= e a synthesist.

instant gratification is important to tech manufacturers = because it assists in the commoditisation of music and this generates more = business for them; that's why the market is awash with boxes that have pres= ets and librarys easily available. meanwhile, the stuff that actually requi= res creative input from a sonic sculptor working from scratch to create som= ething original, costs as much as a house.

d.












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------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AD4.592C1810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 10:29:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FEQYJ16445; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030715142632.88111.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:26:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45D3DB4F-B662-11D7-AA50-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not on the order of making a cosmetic change, but changing the sheet metal on an existing product is MUCH less effort then redesigning the main board (including, in this case, updating the components used, resourcing the parts, and all that). Yes, there'd be EMC certs to be done. But that's a FAR cry from all the testing and stuff you'd have to do for a new board. That's all I was trying to say. A double-decker at $1000 would be a big bonus for those wanting to do stereo! Even if it was nothing more then two of the existing units with the chassis' tack welded together. Greg --- Travis wrote: > I have a feeling it wouldn't be "minimal effort". > > Minimal effort is something like updating the silkscreened graphics on > the front from "Oberheim" to "Gibson". Making a new metal case, with > all the controls duplicated, a new power supply (and since it's an > internal supply, I think there's some re-certification that Gibson > would have to complete, but I could be wrong), testing to make sure > that there weren't any thermal problems or noise/interference issues, > adjusting the production/assembly line for this new thing, re-doing the > manual, new box, marketing info, etc--that doesn't sound very minimal. > When all is said and done, it'd probably cost about the same as two > Echoplexes. And what's the market for the double-decker EDP? Small, > really small--at any realistic price point for such a thing. > > If you think you've got to have a second EDP cheap, they go for about > $550 on eBay, often with the foot controller. > > TravisH > > On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 05:15 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > They could do it with minimal effort by packaging two of the current > > units inside > > the same chassis, with the BrotherSync already hooked up, possibly > > with a single > > power supply. It'd be 2U high, but a lot of other boxes are 2U high > > and nobody > > complains. This would allow them to lower the price on the 2nd unit > > without > > risking losing sales to people who really only wanted one but thought > > they could > > make some money by selling off the "freebie" for a profit. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 10:29:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FEOw616333; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:24:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:24:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:24:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Want my own Repeater! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F13F1F3.5C209F74@siba.fi> Message-Id: <1A13CD2D-B6D0-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6FEOvk16309 Resent-Message-ID: <0XX5ND.A.F_D.66AF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is one on ebay right now, that would be your best bet probably. Just be diligent and keep watching. Mark On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 05:22 AM, tkorhone wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I´m writing from Finland, i´m a newcomer on this list and i´d really > like to buy an Electrix Repeater. it seems that there isn´t any free > Repeaters in Finland, so i´m trying this list to find one. So if there > is anybody who is willing to sell one or knows where i could get one, > please write me to tkorhone@siba.fi and let me know! > > best wishes from Finland! > > Topi Korhonen > > and thanks for everybody on this list for the most inspiring > conversation! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 10:30:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FERvv16665; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: anything in San Diego? Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:27:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <002101c34aa5$6dff6820$2ccfc22b@AOstler> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you bringing any performance gear? I don't have a loop gig, but would love to meet for lunch and chat, perhaps demonstrate the loop rig I am ALMOST satisfied with. Also there is a local looping Stick guy (Tom Griesgraber)--I will see what he's doing that week. Gary specifically from July 27 to August 1, which is when I'll be there. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 10:42:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FEbxo18170; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:37:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030715143757.91397.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030715091402.77719.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > --- Catilyne wrote: > > On a (sorta, kinda) related note, does anybody have > > a hardcopy of a Line 6 > > Echo Pro manual with the unit schematic in it? > > I'm flipping through the manual now, and I'm not > finding a schematic. However, the specs chart on page > A5 (last page in the manual) specifies that the loop > mode is mono. Given that the rest of the box is stereo, I wonder why they treat the loop mode differently? Not enough DSP horsepower to handle it? Too bad these boxes don't have an open firmware spec where you could program things yourself... Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 10:50:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FEje519619; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:45:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:45:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:45:37 -0700 Subject: Re: aleatory analogue in the house Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB25A@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 06:23 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > so my measured response is this: it's not about analogue vs digital, > it's about how much encouragement and opportunity there is to go y'r > own way sonically. and of course, it's also a lot easier if there are > library sounds for a hopelessly inept synthesiser player to pretend > they're a synthesist. OK, I see your point. However, I think you misjudge some of the modern equipment. On it's surface it seems all instant gratification but if you dig to the next layer there can be a wealth of tweaking at your fingertips. The Roland MC-307 had a step sequencer that let you change up your beat on the fly, and when I replaced it with an E-MU XL-7 I upped the ability to tweak on the fly 10X. Anyway, I'm all about the good old days, but there are amazing tools still being put out today. > instant gratification is important to tech manufacturers because it > assists in the commoditisation of music and this generates more > business for them; that's why the market is awash with boxes that have > presets and librarys easily available. meanwhile, the stuff that > actually requires creative input from a sonic sculptor working from > scratch to create something original, costs as much as a house. I'm not sure I agree about the whole instant gratification thing. I think that our culture has too deep of a division between musician and everyone else. Too many teachers begin giving students dry drills. Turns them off to music forever... or at least to the idea of being a musician. A box that's got some instant fun involved can spark a fun aspect and get a student to move forward. Many, of course, will realize it's not for them and drop it, but I think it's not necessarily a bad thing all the time. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 11:07:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FF1ee21634; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:01:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:01:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030715150134.43402.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: developing musicians and a musical culture To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I'm not sure I agree about the whole instant gratification thing. I > think that our culture has too deep of a division between musician and > everyone else. Too many teachers begin giving students dry drills. > Turns them off to music forever... or at least to the idea of being a > musician. A box that's got some instant fun involved can spark a fun > aspect and get a student to move forward. Many, of course, will > realize it's not for them and drop it, but I think it's not necessarily > a bad thing all the time. I think you're absolutely right. There's been a very rigid view of music instruction over the years and it's crippled a lot of people creatively. I had a piano teacher when I was a little kid who definitely discouraged me with her perfectionism and emphasis on music I didn't connect with. Between her and my parents refusal to continue paying for guitar lessons when I didn't practice regularly, I put the playing of music aside for many years. It was only toward the end of my time in college that I picked it back up. Such a shame to have lost some of the best years for learning that sort of thing. I remember the first time I played an electric guitar through an amp with distortion. Talk about instant gratification! AND instant inspiration! That one experience changed my perspective on what I was capable of (and my friend never found out that I'd been messing with his stuff while he was gone...) Here's a question for all of you. Given that there ARE hundreds (thousands?) of years of musical experience which can be learned from, how do we learn (and teach) in such a way that creativity is encouraged, enthusiasm is maintained, and we still encourage the discipline and knowledge accumulated over the years? How do we encourage our culture to -create-? How do we knock people out of a "spectator mentality"? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 11:26:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FFKgD23405; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:20:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:20:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:20:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030715150134.43402.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ooh, I got this one! First thing any teacher should do is find out what the student wants to do--what they consider fun. It's like exercise--if you don't think about it being work, you are more likely to put yourself into it. TV and mass media definitely dosn't require enough of the viewer. But that's why it's taken hold so firmly. Just bein' myself, Gary -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: developing musicians and a musical culture how do we learn (and teach) in such a way that creativity is encouraged, enthusiasm is maintained, and we still encourage the discipline and knowledge accumulated over the years? How do we encourage our culture to -create-? How do we knock people out of a "spectator mentality"? Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 11:36:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FFS4Y24006; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030715100923.02a67710@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:25:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? In-Reply-To: <20030715143757.91397.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030715091402.77719.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5ReNsC.A.82F.E2BF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:37 AM 7/15/2003 -0700, Greg House wrote: >--- Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Catilyne wrote: > > > On a (sorta, kinda) related note, does anybody have > > > a hardcopy of a Line 6 > > > Echo Pro manual with the unit schematic in it? > > > > I'm flipping through the manual now, and I'm not > > finding a schematic. However, the specs chart on page > > A5 (last page in the manual) specifies that the loop > > mode is mono. > >Given that the rest of the box is stereo, I wonder why they treat the loop >mode >differently? Not enough DSP horsepower to handle it? Those are some of the same questions I had. I was just looking for something official to confirm the darn thing was undeniably mono (thanks Tim). Even if the loop time were cut in half, it would've been nice having the option to choose between longer mono or shorter stereo loops. >Too bad these boxes don't have an open firmware spec where you could program >things yourself... Well, in light of the different mods out there for the Jamman or PCM-42, I'd also wondered if there were any possibility for asking/harassing Line 6 for just that sort of thing. Probably would have been better timing to start doing it last year, though, before they dumped the units out of production... Although it sounds as if Mark actually tried to explore that possibility, and ran up against a brick wall. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 11:55:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FFjEY26040; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:45:07 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000a01c34ae8$11708240$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030715150134.43402.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] > discipline and knowledge accumulated over the years? How do > we encourage our culture to -create-? How do we knock people > out of a "spectator mentality"? > > Greg I think it's important to remember that music can be played and perceived at different levels. You can keep on playing for years without knowing REAL MUSIC until one day you happen do jam with a musician that does. Then you suddenly understand how simple and easy it is (like waking up from a dream going "Oh, so THIS is it"). I think this is a pure person-2-person happening on the individual level. By experiencing this "transformation" you "receive new ears" and also the gift to pass it on to others. Can never be written down in an "Educational program", can only be practised. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com http://studio.idg.se/ www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 12:15:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FGDkO28800; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:13:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:13:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030715161339.3888.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030715100923.02a67710@spamarrest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Catilyne wrote: > Those are some of the same questions I had. I was just looking for > something official to confirm the darn thing was undeniably mono (thanks > Tim). Even if the loop time were cut in half, it would've been nice having > the option to choose between longer mono or shorter stereo loops. Definitely! I'd easily trade a 60 second mono looper for a 30 second stereo loop. > >Too bad these boxes don't have an open firmware spec where you could program > >things yourself... > > Well, in light of the different mods out there for the Jamman or PCM-42, > I'd also wondered if there were any possibility for asking/harassing Line 6 > for just that sort of thing. Probably would have been better timing to > start doing it last year, though, before they dumped the units out of > production... But, you must remember that the people doing those mods were the original developers of those products (no longer employeed by the company), and the mods were only available after the products were discontinued. Any Joe off the street isn't going to be able to update the JamMan ROM. > Although it sounds as if Mark actually tried to explore that possibility, > and ran up against a brick wall. I think that was Eric. But I wonder who the person he talked to at Line 6 was truly reprentative of their attitude toward this. There's a vast difference between talking to the person that designs and maintains the firmware on the box and some minimum-wage flunkie they might have hired to man the telephones for "support". I've been told things by "support" people that were not only incorrect, but didn't reflect the way the development organizations felt about it at all. OTOH, if that was a developer, then we're out of luck getting a decent looper from Line 6. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 12:19:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FGGuW29268; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:16:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c34aec$8f093b30$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030710223001.14876.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:17:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1AkZED.A.LJH.4jCF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to re-post, but I posted this and recieved some mail back with a couple of suggestions from someone about alternative mixers. Some brand that started with an 'S," and another one. I have looked through the archives and it's not there, so it must have been a private email which got deleted. Whoever it was who was good enough to send suggestions in the first place, would you mind sending them again? Sincerely, Jesse > --- Jesse Ray Lucas wrote: > > Since there is a mixer thread happening... > > > > I found this Alesis MultiMix 12R thingy in the AMS catalog the other day and > > thought it was a cool design. I like being able to see the level of things > > with sliders rather than knobs, but also like the fact that it is only 3 > > rack units high and 12 channels. > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMM12R > > > > Does anybody have any experience with this device, or with Alesis mixers in > > general? Have you found it/them flexible to use and pure of signal? I > > basically want to keep my EDP on an aux send (or something) and be able to > > route several channels to it on and off as I feel the need (bass, vocals, > > keys, sometimes all at once). > > > > Thanks fer reading. > > > > -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 12:42:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FGdc231629; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:39:32 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030715150134.43402.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It begins by finding the right teacher for you. Americans are not inclined to just listen and absorb. We question or even rebel against teachers/authority because our society allows it. That Hollywood bad boy/girl image. Anyway, there is no substitute for the fundamentals. If you don't have a grasp of your scales and chords, you won't be able to move your fingers to the proper place. There is certainly a philosophy to teaching, and good teachers are able to keep a student interested. The student must also be committed, as it is a partnership. Wax on, wax off, works, but here in America, the teacher must explain why. Attention to detail is lacking in many of people today. It is certainly a skill that has to be learned, and continued practice of that attention to detail (along with practice of your instrument) is a must. I'm sure this may be easier for some, due to the parents influence on so many aspects of our maturation process. Lucky for me my father was insistent on performing tasks properly the first time. He correctly pointed out that it ultimately saves time! Alas, I don't have all the answers. I've had many poor music instructors over the years. I've had a few that helped me over the next peak. Was it the instructors fault or mine? I would say both. If the student doesn't ask the teacher the question, how can the teacher assist the student? As with our healthcare system, we must take control over what we have/do/say. I can't expect the doctor to tell me what is wrong if I don't communicate with him/her. This group operates in much the same way. If we don't know, we ask. Someone answers and we gain knowledge. Often the answers lead to other questions. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: developing musicians and a musical culture --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I'm not sure I agree about the whole instant gratification thing. I > think that our culture has too deep of a division between musician and > everyone else. Too many teachers begin giving students dry drills. > Turns them off to music forever... or at least to the idea of being a > musician. A box that's got some instant fun involved can spark a fun > aspect and get a student to move forward. Many, of course, will > realize it's not for them and drop it, but I think it's not necessarily > a bad thing all the time. I think you're absolutely right. There's been a very rigid view of music instruction over the years and it's crippled a lot of people creatively. I had a piano teacher when I was a little kid who definitely discouraged me with her perfectionism and emphasis on music I didn't connect with. Between her and my parents refusal to continue paying for guitar lessons when I didn't practice regularly, I put the playing of music aside for many years. It was only toward the end of my time in college that I picked it back up. Such a shame to have lost some of the best years for learning that sort of thing. I remember the first time I played an electric guitar through an amp with distortion. Talk about instant gratification! AND instant inspiration! That one experience changed my perspective on what I was capable of (and my friend never found out that I'd been messing with his stuff while he was gone...) Here's a question for all of you. Given that there ARE hundreds (thousands?) of years of musical experience which can be learned from, how do we learn (and teach) in such a way that creativity is encouraged, enthusiasm is maintained, and we still encourage the discipline and knowledge accumulated over the years? How do we encourage our culture to -create-? How do we knock people out of a "spectator mentality"? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 13:05:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FH0a000845; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:00:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:00:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:01:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <009601c34aec$8f093b30$520cfc0c@amd> References: <20030710223001.14876.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> <009601c34aec$8f093b30$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesse, > Some brand that started with an 'S, Skrydstrup? www.skrydstrup.com Danish, quality gear. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 13:18:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FHEss02089; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:14:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:14:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:13:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c34af4$6dbacc20$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers Jesse, > Some brand that started with an 'S, Skrydstrup? www.skrydstrup.com Danish, quality gear. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 13:33:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FHVn104612; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:31:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:31:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c34af7$66dc5880$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:34:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.157.186.185] at Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:31:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you were 15 in 1980, you did much of your teens with MTV on in the background. But, if you're 15 today, you probably have your own web-page, and maybe even attend video-production classes in high-school. 15-year-olds today are way more media and technology savvy than anyone before them. Yes, musical theory and harmony and stuff will still be learned by some, even many. And yes, some kid will pick up a guitar and join a band. Some may even practice cycles of thirds and loop the results. :-) But here's my point : What high-school music teacher today can teach these kids how to use Reason or Live, etc.?????? I suggest THESE are the kinds of instuments that kids today will be using more and more to make their music. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 13:46:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FHhRL05783; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:43:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010101c34af8$9243fd60$7900a8c0@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> <001f01c34af7$66dc5880$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:43:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <12aXIB.A.PaB._0DF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interestingly, I was at an M-Audio seminar last month here in Portland, where they were demoing Reason and Live, and one of the attendants was an middle school teacher who was doing just that -- using both of them as tools to help convey basic concepts of rhythm, melody, harmony etc. Apparently they're quite useful teaching tools. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > But here's my point : What high-school music teacher today can teach these > kids how to use Reason or Live, etc.?????? I suggest THESE are the kinds > of instuments that kids today will be using more and more to make their > music. > > David Kirkdorffer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 13:59:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FHnZk06726; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1058291312!473121 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB26B@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: aleatory analogue in the house Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:46:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34AF9.017060C0" Resent-Message-ID: <1sLx_.A.-oB.v6DF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AF9.017060C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I think you misjudge some of the modern equipment. On it's surface it seems all instant gratification but if you dig to the next layer there can be a wealth of tweaking at your fingertips. The Roland MC-307 had a step sequencer that let you change up your beat on the fly, and when I replaced it with an E-MU XL-7 I upped the ability to tweak on the fly 10X. Anyway, I'm all about the good old days, but there are amazing tools still being put out today.<< but there it is: "if you dig to the next layer..." you've got "oh just use the library sound" on one side, because editing is such a pain- like painting your hallway through the letterbox, as one musician friend put it. and on the other side you've got people like me who want to edit the sounds while they're playing. whatever the module costs, there's going to be a lump extra for a midi controller that can get at the stuff hidden away in the menus, and then only if the box supports such remote twiddling. see, my idea of gratification is to create original textures and sounds, where someone else's idea of it is to combine established tones in new ways. both are valid, and anything in between, but the latter is too much of using your eyes and ears instead of your imagination for me. and to achieve this gratification, I'd like a good solid hardware interface in order that, traditionalist that I am, the musician can interface with the instrument as god intended, with musicianly body parts and not some poxy little lcd window or (worse) a damn windows-box. you want to be able to alter timbres while you're playing- onstage, even. (I've tried this) poking around in a 16x2 backlit requires laserium and dry ice as a distraction if you're going to get away with it. does that make me a bad person? when you complain to the manufacturer, they point to examples of companies that went bust because the front panel had too many knobs on it. and that, sadly, is where my own instant gratification went, along with moog, SCI and latronic (makers of the notron). it's a good job I bought some of this old stuff anyway and learned how to look after it >>I'm not sure I agree about the whole instant gratification thing. I think that our culture has too deep of a division between musician and everyone else. Too many teachers begin giving students dry drills. Turns them off to music forever... or at least to the idea of being a musician. A box that's got some instant fun involved can spark a fun aspect and get a student to move forward. Many, of course, will realize it's not for them and drop it, but I think it's not necessarily a bad thing all the time.<< I sort of agree with you a bit, I think. what I was getting at is that more people now find a creative outlet through music. it has been one of the easiest popular artforms to commoditise. success at it can and does bring rewards in terms of fame and fortune to a lucky few, and so it appeals more than, say, sculpture, to those people who intend to embark on an artistic career but can't decide which one. it's become disposable, whatever level of the music industry you look at. modern musicians can expect a career lifespan shorter than most athletes. there's a risk that the relative ease with which equipment (like the latest generation of grooveboxes and romplers) can produce recognisable textures, will fool people into thinking that this validates the results artistically aswell as technically. a parallel trend for nicking whole chunks of other peoples' records and passing the results off as new is unfortunate in that while it's not creatively barren (far from it), it has this stigma, because of a few people and their uncleared samples. (there's the usual crowd of snobs here where I work- sample spotters- "oh, I've got the original of that on vinyl." "I know where that sample's from" &c&c. well, why didn't /you/ reacquaint the world with it then, smartarse? you might have got to number one..... they're like the folks back in the 70s who told me that synthesizers played themselves if you just switched them on. well, here's a synthesizer- off you go!) don't get me wrong, then- I'm all for the empowerment of whatever creative muscle people might have left that's not been atrophied by mass-marketing hysteria and ennui. anything to get them up off their arses and away from the telly. but those of us who want to try that little bit harder are up against it with some of the bigger manufacturers and media conglomerates, both in making what we make and in shifting it out to an audience. that's why the folks on this list have ended up using such specialised tools, some or all of which were made in short runs and are now pretty much unsupported. the irony is that a suitably equipped magpie turntable jockey would have had a ball with a repeater. if only the thing had been shaped like a technics 1200.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I think you misjudge some of the modern
equipment.  On it's surface it seems all instant gr= atification but if
you dig to the next layer there can be a wealth of tweak= ing at your
fingertips.  The Roland MC-307 had a step sequencer= that let you change
up your beat on the fly, and when I replaced it with an = E-MU XL-7 I
upped the ability to tweak on the fly 10X.  Anyway,= I'm all about the
good old days, but there are amazing tools still being p= ut out today.<<

but there it is: "if you dig to the next layer...&qu= ot;

you've got "oh just use the library sound" on o= ne side, because editing is such a pain- like painting your hallway through= the letterbox, as one musician friend put it.

and on the other side you've got people like me who want = to edit the sounds while they're playing. whatever the module costs, there'= s going to be a lump extra for a midi controller that can get at the stuff = hidden away in the menus, and then only if the box supports such remote twi= ddling.

see, my idea of gratification is to create original textu= res and sounds, where someone else's idea of it is to combine established t= ones in new ways. both are valid, and anything in between, but the latter i= s too much of using your eyes and ears instead of your imagination for me.<= /FONT>

and to achieve this gratification, I'd like a good solid = hardware interface in order that, traditionalist that I am, the musician ca= n interface with the instrument as god intended, with musicianly body parts= and not some poxy little lcd window or (worse) a damn windows-box. =

you want to be able to alter timbres while you're playing= - onstage, even. (I've tried this) poking around in a 16x2 backlit requires= laserium and dry ice as a distraction if you're going to get away with it.=

does that make me a bad person?

when you complain to the manufacturer, they point to exam= ples of companies that went bust because the front panel had too many knobs= on it. and that, sadly, is where my own instant gratification went, along = with moog, SCI and latronic (makers of the notron). it's a good job I bough= t some of this old stuff anyway and learned how to look after it


>>I'm not sure I agree about the whole instant grat= ification thing.  I
think that our culture has too deep of a division betwee= n musician and
everyone else.  Too many teachers begin giving stud= ents dry drills. 
Turns them off to music forever... or at least to the id= ea of being a
musician.  A box that's got some instant fun involv= ed can spark a fun
aspect and get a student to move forward.  Many, of= course, will
realize it's not for them and drop it, but I think it's = not necessarily
a bad thing all the time.<<

I sort of agree with you a bit, I think.
what I was getting at is that more people now find a cre= ative outlet through music. it has been one of the easiest popular artforms= to commoditise. success at it can and does bring rewards in terms of fame = and fortune to a lucky few, and so it appeals more than, say, sculpture, to= those people who intend to embark on an artistic career but can't decide w= hich one.

it's become disposable, whatever level of the music indus= try you look at. modern musicians can expect a career lifespan shorter than= most athletes.

there's a risk that the relative ease with which equipmen= t (like the latest generation of grooveboxes and romplers) can produce reco= gnisable textures, will fool people into thinking that this validates the r= esults artistically aswell as technically.

a parallel trend for nicking whole chunks of other people= s' records and passing the results off as new is unfortunate in that while = it's not creatively barren (far from it), it has this stigma, because of a = few people and their uncleared samples.

(there's the usual crowd of snobs here where I work- samp= le spotters- "oh, I've got the original of that on vinyl." "= I know where that sample's from" &c&c. well, why didn't /you/ = reacquaint the world with it then, smartarse? you might have got to number = one..... they're like the folks back in the 70s who told me that synthesize= rs played themselves if you just switched them on. well, here's a synthesiz= er- off you go!)

don't get me wrong, then- I'm all for the empowerment of = whatever creative muscle people might have left that's not been atrophied b= y mass-marketing hysteria and ennui. anything to get them up off their arse= s and away from the telly.

 
but those of us who want to try that little bit harder a= re up against it with some of the bigger manufacturers and media conglomera= tes, both in making what we make and in shifting it out to an audience. tha= t's why the folks on this list have ended up using such specialised tools, = some or all of which were made in short runs and are now pretty much unsupp= orted. the irony is that a suitably equipped magpie turntable jockey would = have had a ball with a repeater. if only the thing had been shaped like a t= echnics 1200....

duncan.















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------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AF9.017060C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 14:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FHsRK07345; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:54:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:54:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c34afa$901cecc0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> <001f01c34af7$66dc5880$0affff0a@hppav> <010101c34af8$9243fd60$7900a8c0@BARNEY> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:57:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [141.157.186.185] at Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:54:20 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how cool! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > Interestingly, I was at an M-Audio seminar last month here in Portland, > where they were demoing Reason and Live, and one of the attendants was an > middle school teacher who was doing just that -- using both of them as tools > to help convey basic concepts of rhythm, melody, harmony etc. Apparently > they're quite useful teaching tools. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > > > But here's my point : What high-school music teacher today can teach > these > > kids how to use Reason or Live, etc.?????? I suggest THESE are the kinds > > of instuments that kids today will be using more and more to make their > > music. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 14:05:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FI2wP08308; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:02:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:02:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c34afb$59695d70$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> <001f01c34af7$66dc5880$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:03:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I teach my bass students about how to use hard disk recording programs to check their playing against a visual click. Hopefully that will get them started with production. I spent a lesson a while ago teaching them about compressors. I agree that it will do kids good to be introduced to production techniques at an earlier age. The earlier they start to hear about things like compression and normalization and livelooping(tm) and all these other terms and techniques, the less scary it will seem and the more likely they will be to get involved in them. It's just part of the reality of being a musician anymore. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > If you were 15 in 1980, you did much of your teens with MTV on in the > background. But, if you're 15 today, you probably have your own web-page, > and maybe even attend video-production classes in high-school. > > 15-year-olds today are way more media and technology savvy than anyone > before them. > > Yes, musical theory and harmony and stuff will still be learned by some, > even many. And yes, some kid will pick up a guitar and join a band. Some > may even practice cycles of thirds and loop the results. :-) > > But here's my point : What high-school music teacher today can teach these > kids how to use Reason or Live, etc.?????? I suggest THESE are the kinds > of instuments that kids today will be using more and more to make their > music. > > David Kirkdorffer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 14:20:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FIGGt09720; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:16:06 -0700 Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001f01c34af7$66dc5880$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <66D50ACC-B6F0-11D7-ABF3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1Yd1hB.A.xXC.wTEF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 10:34 AM, David wrote: > But here's my point : What high-school music teacher today can teach > these kids how to use Reason or Live, etc.?????? I suggest THESE are > the kinds of instuments that kids today will be using more and more to > make their music. I agree. Reason is the new Casiotone. Some will flail around and loose interest, others will be inspired to dig deeper. I think there's something really nice and democratic about tools like these, but they're a double edged sword. They can encourage an emphasis on music production and not being an instrumentalist. This isn't new though, dulcimers tuned to a chord, jew harps and other "folk" instruments can encourage instant gratification. Other instruments offer a much higher form of flexibility but require learning a more complex instrument. Look at simple musical forms like Blues music. Learn 3 chords and you're on it. Of course it's much more than that, but that is what I'm talking about. I'm helping my wife learn piano and she's using a combination of piano instruction books and pop music books. After learning the dry stuff she can at least have fun playing the chords to "Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For." I think this is where most teachers fall down. Find out what turns on your student and teach based on that. Mark Sottliaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 14:25:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FIM3F10733; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:22:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:22:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015a01c34afe$079e4f70$5e6e7680@NShortway> From: "Nick Shortway" To: References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:22:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyway, there is no substitute for the fundamentals. If you don't have a > grasp of your scales and chords, you won't be able to move your fingers > to the proper place. There is certainly a philosophy to teaching, and > good teachers are able to keep a student interested. The student must > also be committed, as it is a partnership. Wax on, wax off, works, but > here in America, the teacher must explain why. I really think you're wrong here...scales and chords can only get you so far, as well as can stifle musical creativity. I have played guitar for 9-10 years, and I know a few basic scales and just chorforms that i've either picked up or made up, but I do not at all think that I would be better off creatively if I knew more. The most creative guitarists are the ones who bend and even break traditional music theory. Some of them know the theory and some of them don't even know which "rules" they are breaking. IMHO, we are totally limited by twelve-tone equal temperament. There's no reason to stick to eleven octave divisions except for the fact that that has been the norm for the past few hundreds of years. Ever hear someone start integrating microtonality into western music? It's amazing, and mostly reliant on people who do not wish to grasp those scales and chords. There is no "proper place" where someone should move their fingers to. I think that putting more creativity into the music, and playing what *you* think sounds right is a total substitute for the "fundamentals". I forget exactly which jazz musician said it, I think it might have been Coltrane, "There are no wrong notes". -Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 14:51:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FIm3M13575; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:48:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:48:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <42.3a9d9ccc.2c45a659@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:47:53 EDT Subject: EDP and pitch bend messages? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Still trying to get my EDP (loop IV) and Roland FC-200 foot controller to enjoy each others company. I'm now running into a situation where the EDP is responding to some extraneous FC-200 messages and going into a "state" I don't recognize. When I power on the FC-200, or switch modes on it, it for no real reason sends out a pitch bend message on ch 7.. then on channel 1 (recently learned from Roland support). Basically this sounds like a bug in the FC-200. When the EDP sees this pitch bend message, it goes into some state where the display reads .25. Pressing the FC-200 mode switch changes the EDP display back and forth from reading .25 to 120. Any recording I now do, seems to be working off of .25 as an interval of time. So if I record for exactly a second, it shows as 4 cycles. If I want to record for 1.3, well.. it's gonna record for 1.5 and call it 6 cycles. Seems like I have two options... buy a filter to get rid of this message.. or... (hoping) there's a way on the EDP to get it to ignore this message or disable whatever mode it's going into? Any thoughts? Thanks (yet) again! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 14:54:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FIr0U14218; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F144D45.9B504E8F@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:51:49 -0700 From: Daryl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> <015a01c34afe$079e4f70$5e6e7680@NShortway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6SMd-C.A.AeD.M2EF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Coltrane's a great example to bring up when trying to make the point that musicians are more creative when they don't know anything... Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > I really think you're wrong here...scales and chords can only get you so > far, as well as can stifle musical creativity. I have played guitar for > 9-10 years, and I know a few basic scales and just chorforms that i've > either picked up or made up, but I do not at all think that I would be > better off creatively if I knew more. The most creative guitarists are the > ones who bend and even break traditional music theory. Some of them know > the theory and some of them don't even know which "rules" they are breaking. > IMHO, we are totally limited by twelve-tone equal temperament. There's no > reason to stick to eleven octave divisions except for the fact that that has > been the norm for the past few hundreds of years. Ever hear someone start > integrating microtonality into western music? It's amazing, and mostly > reliant on people who do not wish to grasp those scales and chords. There > is no "proper place" where someone should move their fingers to. I think > that putting more creativity into the music, and playing what *you* think > sounds right is a total substitute for the "fundamentals". I forget exactly > which jazz musician said it, I think it might have been Coltrane, "There are > no wrong notes". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 15:05:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FIxlv14877; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:59:40 -0700 Subject: Re: aleatory analogue in the house Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB26B@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <7CFA59AA-B6F6-11D7-ABF3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 10:46 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > but there it is: "if you dig to the next layer..." Right. We live in a culture that encourages laziness and being a bully to get what you want done. Not sure how to fix that. Look at our president. Sad. I used to hate him, then I realized that even though he probably wasn't really elected, enough voted for him to get him that close. So I live in a country that's mostly idiots. All I can seemingly do at this point is not be that way and continue on. > you've got "oh just use the library sound" on one side, because > editing is such a pain- like painting your hallway through the > letterbox, as one musician friend put it. Heh, that is a good analogy. I remember trying to program the DX line. It hurt my head. > and on the other side you've got people like me who want to edit the > sounds while they're playing. whatever the module costs, there's going > to be a lump extra for a midi controller that can get at the stuff > hidden away in the menus, and then only if the box supports such > remote twiddling. Funny how that is more and more becoming the trend in synths, but not guitar related effects. As a former Juno 106 and DW8000 owner I surely know the joy of knob twiddling, but I also know it can lead to only that. It's probably how I transitioned from pop music into more abstract forms. I know that a lot of time I don't want to have to tweak a sound for hours. Like being a carpenter, I want to buy a hammer that's right for the job and get to building. Sometimes I need a special hammer that I can't find and then I abandon my ROMplers and go for something like my Korg MS2000. > see, my idea of gratification is to create original textures and > sounds, where someone else's idea of it is to combine established > tones in new ways. both are valid, and anything in between, but the > latter is too much of using your eyes and ears instead of your > imagination for me. It's just another way of thinking about it. You surely can't call piano players unimaginative because they don't make their own sounds (though many use prepared pianos to get new tones). You can do a lot with a little or a little with a lot and every permutation of every hue in between. > and to achieve this gratification, I'd like a good solid hardware > interface in order that, traditionalist that I am, the musician can > interface with the instrument as god intended, with musicianly body > parts and not some poxy little lcd window or (worse) a damn > windows-box. I love the KAOSS pad, Alesis AirSynth and AirFX for these exact reasons, even though you can't tweak the effects themselves, the interface allows you to really play the parameters like an instrument. Very nice. If I were a keyboard player (which it seems like I'm on the verge of becoming! Woops! Maybe I am!) I'd pick up the new Roland V-synth. It's got great controller options and really interesting ways to make ROM sounds your own via performance controllers. This control of a sound rather than creation of a sound is almost more important to me. > you want to be able to alter timbres while you're playing- onstage, > even. (I've tried this) poking around in a 16x2 backlit requires > laserium and dry ice as a distraction if you're going to get away with > it. > > does that make me a bad person? Nope, I like you. O'oh. I'm a bad person so maybe that does make you a bad person too. > when you complain to the manufacturer, they point to examples of > companies that went bust because the front panel had too many knobs on > it. and that, sadly, is where my own instant gratification went, along > with moog, SCI and latronic (makers of the notron). it's a good job I > bought some of this old stuff anyway and learned how to look after it I think they're all eating their words now as the trend goes back to knobs. > but those of us who want to try that little bit harder are up against > it with some of the bigger manufacturers and media conglomerates, both > in making what we make and in shifting it out to an audience. that's > why the folks on this list have ended up using such specialised tools, > some or all of which were made in short runs and are now pretty much > unsupported. the irony is that a suitably equipped magpie turntable > jockey would have had a ball with a repeater. if only the thing had > been shaped like a technics 1200.... Right. Like I said in a previous post, if the Repeater's functionality had been built into a DJ mixer I think it would have changed that world forever. They tried too hard to appeal to different worlds. That said, I love this area we're moving into now where the resolution and interface of digital gear is starting to approach old analog gear. I spent an hour yesterday playing with a Denon CD player that had a spinning platter and behaved just like a 1200. I'm sure a real turntablest could pick it apart, but it dawned on me that I could burn samples of my own music on to a CD and manipulate it and I could not do that with vinyl. Very liberating tool for that reason. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 15:23:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FJL8A16922; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:21:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f601c34b06$4abd41f0$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> <015a01c34afe$079e4f70$5e6e7680@NShortway> <3F144D45.9B504E8F@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:21:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hahahahahahahahahahaha. One of my teachers once told me that there is a certain point you reach early on in your development as a musician when you pass a threshold of knowledge that you can longer be one of those guys who just ignores everything and is genius by not knowing that he/she is breaking rules. Once you know a certain amount there is no forgetting it, and your only option is now to learn *everything* and get back around to genius-ness from the other direction. I little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > > John Coltrane's a great example to bring up when trying to make the point that > musicians are more creative when they don't know anything... > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 16:00:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FJwhC20501; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:58:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:58:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:58:37 EDT Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6FJwgk20474 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 7/15/03 8:03:24 AM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: >Here's a question for all of you. Given that there ARE hundreds >(thousands?) of years of musical experience which can be learned >from, how do we learn (and teach) in such a way that creativity >is encouraged, enthusiasm is maintained, and we still encourage >the discipline and knowledge accumulated over the years? How >do we encourage our culture to -create-? How do we knock people >out of a "spectator mentality"? This is a great question. It's one of those problems that I don't think really has an answer -- but that doesn't mean we should not try to answer it anyway. I am perpetually trying to answer it all the time. Admittedly, I have been perfectly miserable at solving it though. I have 3 sons and not a single one of them is even interested in music and I continually am baffled by this. To me, music is one of the basic human expressions and experiences (even if it is just banging 2 sticks together). They (my kids) tend to think of music as just something that goes on in the background of a video game or amime -- or it's what DAD does (and, of course, I don't wanna do THAT). We have a house FULL of music gear (some of it is of the very easy to operate, "instant gratification" variety -- half of which I bought for them, BTW). We have tons of great CDs of nearly every variety (well . . . I'm a little light on the C&W genre, but you get what I mean). I don't push . . . but I encourage and offer opportunity. The house is filled also with a lot of contemporary visual artwork and books, and an extensive film collection (VHS and DVD), much of it foreign and non mainstream but there are a lot of fun "B" movies in there too. While I am not one of those types that believe that everyone is innately an artist, musician or poet, there is absolutely no way my kids would have the idea that there is a rigid expectation of what music is and does . . . or might be . . . in this household. There IS an innate beauty to the art, music and poetry of children -- at least on that level -- and this is a precious thing and a wonder to be celebrated. Yet, for the most part, my kids are disinterested -- even as spectators/enjoyers/recipients of the "arts" and in particular . . . mystifyingly to me . . . music, for some unknown reason or another. Don't get me wrong. They are GREAT kids too, and in every other way I am EXTREMELY proud of them in their achievements and characters. Perhaps I should just consider myself lucky -- my kids are more sensible and "mature" than I ever was at their ages. But, I haven't been able to pass on that spark of "creativity" to them very well. They seem more inclined to grow up to be engineers, accountants or jocks (or if there was such a thing as professional Nintendo player that'd really be IT for them). Anywho, in a sense, it would take a lot off my conscience if any of the 3 would take even a "spectator's" interest in music. I sort of feel I've "ruined" them somehow with all the wacky noise I've played (or otherwise exposed them to) over the years. Irony of ironies, although I've not used it in years, I have a secondary teaching credential in the visual arts too. Go figure. Anyway, good luck discussing this thread. I will follow is with a good deal of curiosity (to say the least). Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 16:07:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FK0VB20685; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:00:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:00:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:01:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <000001c34af4$6dbacc20$0200a8c0@akadev.com> References: <000001c34af4$6dbacc20$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <1g_ODC.A.EDF.f1FF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan, > Nice!!!! Very. Nice price too ... -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 16:44:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FKcFx25929; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:38:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:38:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018401c34b11$0e90e550$5e6e7680@NShortway> From: "Nick Shortway" To: References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> <015a01c34afe$079e4f70$5e6e7680@NShortway> <3F144D45.9B504E8F@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:38:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *Obviously* I understand about Coltrane's knowledge and technical ability, but my use of his quote was to demonstrate how even someone as knowledgable about music theory as Coltrane was still realized the importance of breaking the rules that he knew so well. -Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > > John Coltrane's a great example to bring up when trying to make the point that > musicians are more creative when they don't know anything... > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > I really think you're wrong here...scales and chords can only get you so > > far, as well as can stifle musical creativity. I have played guitar for > > 9-10 years, and I know a few basic scales and just chorforms that i've > > either picked up or made up, but I do not at all think that I would be > > better off creatively if I knew more. The most creative guitarists are the > > ones who bend and even break traditional music theory. Some of them know > > the theory and some of them don't even know which "rules" they are breaking. > > IMHO, we are totally limited by twelve-tone equal temperament. There's no > > reason to stick to eleven octave divisions except for the fact that that has > > been the norm for the past few hundreds of years. Ever hear someone start > > integrating microtonality into western music? It's amazing, and mostly > > reliant on people who do not wish to grasp those scales and chords. There > > is no "proper place" where someone should move their fingers to. I think > > that putting more creativity into the music, and playing what *you* think > > sounds right is a total substitute for the "fundamentals". I forget exactly > > which jazz musician said it, I think it might have been Coltrane, "There are > > no wrong notes". > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 17:02:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FL0RT27695; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:00:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:00:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <001f01c34af7$66dc5880$0affff0a@hppav> References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> <001f01c34af7$66dc5880$0affff0a@hppav> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, > If you were 15 in 1980, you did much of your teens with MTV on in the > background. Hmm. I *was* 15 in 1980. I have seen MTV a total of about a half an hour in my entire life! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 17:07:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FL5Re28252; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:05:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:05:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c34b14$c0d5ebe0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <018401c34b11$0e90e550$5e6e7680@NShortway> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6FL5Qk28225 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know that what Coltrane did was breaking the rules but expanding on the existing ones which he was obviously fluent with. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Shortway [mailto:DrGonzo@psu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture *Obviously* I understand about Coltrane's knowledge and technical ability, but my use of his quote was to demonstrate how even someone as knowledgable about music theory as Coltrane was still realized the importance of breaking the rules that he knew so well. -Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > > John Coltrane's a great example to bring up when trying to make the > point that > musicians are more creative when they don't know anything... > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > I really think you're wrong here...scales and chords can only get > > you so far, as well as can stifle musical creativity. I have played > > guitar for 9-10 years, and I know a few basic scales and just > > chorforms that i've either picked up or made up, but I do not at all > > think that I would be better off creatively if I knew more. The > > most creative guitarists are the > > ones who bend and even break traditional music theory. Some of them know > > the theory and some of them don't even know which "rules" they are breaking. > > IMHO, we are totally limited by twelve-tone equal temperament. > > There's no > > reason to stick to eleven octave divisions except for the fact that > > that has > > been the norm for the past few hundreds of years. Ever hear someone start > > integrating microtonality into western music? It's amazing, and > > mostly reliant on people who do not wish to grasp those scales and > > chords. There > > is no "proper place" where someone should move their fingers to. I think > > that putting more creativity into the music, and playing what *you* think > > sounds right is a total substitute for the "fundamentals". I forget exactly > > which jazz musician said it, I think it might have been Coltrane, > > "There are > > no wrong notes". > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 17:16:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FLF1B29198; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:15:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:15:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:14:55 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01c34b16$23dfd060$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't watch MTV in my teens either. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Ian Petersen [mailto:iep@mail.dk] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture David, > If you were 15 in 1980, you did much of your teens with MTV on in the > background. Hmm. I *was* 15 in 1980. I have seen MTV a total of about a half an hour in my entire life! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 17:39:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FLbGK31303; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c34b19$3f4073c0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <015a01c34afe$079e4f70$5e6e7680@NShortway> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nick, Right or wrong, to quote John Scofield, "if you only know bar cords, you will only play in bars!" How can you break the rules if you don't know them? I've seen many players come and go. Almost always, the people that have done their homework, spent countless hours polishing their craft are the artists that have some brilliant careers. You might break thru not knowing much, but almost always that type will fall into obscurity as time passes. Hmm, you said ' scales and chords can only get you so far, as well as can stifle musical creativity. ' Chords are built from steps in a scale. If you don't know any scales, what are you able to do? What can you create? Do you have any idea how limited your musical vocabulary would be? Chords are colors. Different scales played over chords also color the 'mood' of the composition. Example: Imagine I put a white canvas in front of you. You have no experience with paints, brushes, pallet knives, etc. Then to top it all off, you get only white paint. I disagree with you. I still believe fundamentals are very important. If you learn to use a certain type of brush stroke, you know what to expect from that. After, YOU GET TO DECIDE, consciously or unconsciously if you will use that while you paint. The technique is available to you. If you never learn it, you can't use it. I think it was Miles that said 'There are no wrong notes, just better choices.' Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Nick Shortway [mailto:DrGonzo@psu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > Anyway, there is no substitute for the fundamentals. If you don't have a > grasp of your scales and chords, you won't be able to move your fingers > to the proper place. There is certainly a philosophy to teaching, and > good teachers are able to keep a student interested. The student must > also be committed, as it is a partnership. Wax on, wax off, works, but > here in America, the teacher must explain why. I really think you're wrong here...scales and chords can only get you so far, as well as can stifle musical creativity. I have played guitar for 9-10 years, and I know a few basic scales and just chorforms that i've either picked up or made up, but I do not at all think that I would be better off creatively if I knew more. The most creative guitarists are the ones who bend and even break traditional music theory. Some of them know the theory and some of them don't even know which "rules" they are breaking. IMHO, we are totally limited by twelve-tone equal temperament. There's no reason to stick to eleven octave divisions except for the fact that that has been the norm for the past few hundreds of years. Ever hear someone start integrating microtonality into western music? It's amazing, and mostly reliant on people who do not wish to grasp those scales and chords. There is no "proper place" where someone should move their fingers to. I think that putting more creativity into the music, and playing what *you* think sounds right is a total substitute for the "fundamentals". I forget exactly which jazz musician said it, I think it might have been Coltrane, "There are no wrong notes". -Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 17:56:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FLpr000343; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c34b1b$a9e408c0$7ec55e0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: , References: <001801c34a78$af5c5260$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:54:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Several years ago I bought a second EDP > primarily because I wanted stereo looping. > To my surprise, I hardly ever use the pair in > stereo. Typically, I find it much more useful to > have two independent EDPs, sometimes synced > and sometimes not. > > Perhaps it's just how and what I loop. But, I'm > curious, how many owners of multi-EDP set-ups > actually use them in stereo? I don't. I'd been using the EDP for about 4 years, and 6 months ago got a second unit. I had no real desire to go to stereo, I was thinking more along the lines of "If 1 EDP is this great and versatile, imagine what 2 would be like!" Like you, I tend to use them both synced and unsynced. I tried the "stereo" option once (unintentionally) and my immediate thought was "Wow, that's kind of a waste of one very powerful machine!" Of course, this is only my opinion. My original intent was to send hand percussion to one unit and sync the other for melodic instruments and drones. But then I started mixing the two, having contrasting melodic and rhythmic patterns in each unit. I guess this is sort of a "default stereo," since there is a distinct separation. One of the things I've most enjoyed with this setup is placing percussion and melodic instruments in each of the two synced units, but setting them to different time lengths. For instance, I'll record a short loop on one, then multiply and overdub to, say, 8 "measures." Since the units are synced the second unit will pick up the original loop length when I record a separate pattern or instrument on it. I'll then multiply this out to, say, 10 "measures." This creates a very pleasant 'kaleidoscopic' shifting in patterns as the two loops go in and out of phase while still maintaining the same rhythmic basis. Then to make things really interesting I will record a melodic part into both units simultaneously. As soon as the loops shift out of phase, the melody will be heard in both left and right, but with a built-in delay between left and right. This sounds equally good in short delays (1-2 seconds) and longer delay times (>10 seconds, etc.). Another really cool effect is that when the 2 shifting loops return to the place in each loop where the "split" melody was originally recorded, it becomes "one" again (undivided) and stays a single voice until the loops go out of phase again. Very cool stuff. All of this works equally well with percussion on its own (can build up some really exquisite polyrhythms) or melodic instruments on their own. BTW, Dennis -- I really enjoy your pieces on the CT-Percussion project! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 18:03:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FM1an01526; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:01:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06f001c34b1c$adb31cb0$0100a8c0@ecpm.com> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB26B@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: aleatory analogue in the house Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:28:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06E3_01C34B18.02F3DB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06E3_01C34B18.02F3DB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: aleatory analogue in the houseDuncan Wrote: >editing is such a pain- like painting your hallway through the = letterbox...=20 I never thought I'd see O&G humour on LD. Cool :) LOL I did! Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net=20 http://www.drumdojo.com=20 http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation=20 www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg=20 ------=_NextPart_000_06E3_01C34B18.02F3DB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: aleatory analogue in the house
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------=_NextPart_000_06E3_01C34B18.02F3DB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 18:10:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FM03i01219; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:00:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:00:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c34b1c$7c11ba90$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <000301c34b14$c0d5ebe0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:00:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a really interesting essay on Coltrane and his explorations of tonality in a book edited by John Zorn called, "Arcana: Musicians on Music." (ISBN: 188712327X) Some of the other essays are good, too. They deal a lot with creativity, and the place of the artist/musician in our culture today, and the perception of audiences so anyone who is interested in this thread might do well to check the book out. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture > I don't know that what Coltrane did was breaking the rules but expanding on > the existing ones which he was obviously fluent with. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 18:11:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FM8a202292; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:08:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:08:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030715220835.93375.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004f01c34b19$3f4073c0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Will Brake wrote: > How can you break the rules if you don't know them? You'll still break them (or not) whether you know about them or not. Music theory isn't about MAKING music, it's a way of EXPLAINING music. The music is the same whether it's been analyzed or not. If I listen to a piece and think "completely diatonic in G", that doesn't make it any more or less creative a piece. It -might- make it easier for me to play it or improvise to it though. I played guitar for a few years before I learned any theory, and I took little notes about musical ideas I liked. Years later, after learning more, I found my box of notes and went back to look them over with the expectation that they'd all be crap becuase I "didn't know what I was doing". Well, they were still interesting to me, and they fit the theory I'd learned just fine. My ear naturally had ideas that worked in conventional theory because I made up "music". I was surprised at the time. > I've seen many > players come and go. Almost always, the people that have done their > homework, spent countless hours polishing their craft are the artists > that have some brilliant careers. You might break thru not knowing much, > but almost always that type will fall into obscurity as time passes. There -are- exceptions, which people who have this mindset ("eduction stifles creativity") always seem to trot out, but they seem to miss the point that for every person who was musical (and successful enough to be known) without any education, there are thousands more who WERE well educated. Education isn't the problem here. Now, as I brought up in the post that started this thread, some methods of education can repress creativity, but that isn't the fault of the material, it's the fault of the instructor. > Chords are built from steps in a scale. If you don't know any scales, > what are you able to do? What can you create? You can create whatever your mind imagines and your ear says works. It doesn't really matter whether you understand WHY it works or not, your ear will tell you whether it does or doesn't. Knowing the stuff helps save you time in making what you want. If I understand the "colors" particular chords (or intervals) invoke, I can do more precisely what I want with the music. Otherwise I may have to hunt around to find what I want to hear. That approach works, it's just a lot slower and depending on how earnest you are in trying things out, may not ever open up all the possibilities you could otherwise have. > Example: Imagine I put a white canvas in front of you. You have > no experience with paints, brushes, pallet knives, etc. Then to top it > all off, you get only white paint. I don't think it's quite that bad. Perhaps more like limiting yourself to only painting in the primary colors. I knew someone years ago who only played pentatonic minor scales, it was all he knew. He played his "blues scale" over everthing that went by. If the song was in a minor key, he played it three frets higher. He complained about one of my solos one time 'cause I was using some weird mode or something. When I told another friend about it, his comment was "When the only tool you have is a hammer, pretty soon everything starts looking like a nail." > I disagree with you. I still believe fundamentals are very important. If > you learn to use a certain type of brush stroke, you know what to expect > from that. After, YOU GET TO DECIDE, consciously or unconsciously if you > will use that while you paint. The technique is available to you. If you > never learn it, you can't use it. Well, I kind of disagree with this too. I'm in favor of musical education, especially since I've found trying to get by without much has been very limiting for me personally, but I believe that in music, you can use whatever sounds and techniques you want, whether you understand how & why they work or not. Understanding them may make them easier to use, allow you more variety, and what not, but nothing prevents you from playing random clusters of notes until you come up with something that sounds good to you. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 18:13:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6FMC4W02721; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:12:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c34b1e$2b661bc0$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <004f01c34b19$3f4073c0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:12:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7T3UWB.A.Yq.0wHF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com True. One might get lucky and break a rule at the beginning, not knowing that you are doing something new and cool. But to sustain that kind of development, you really have to start digging into what has come before. What are the chances you will get lucky like that again? Especially after someone tells you that you did something new and you develop an ego about it. Then your mind closes up and you turn into that guy who no one had ever heard of who was on the list a couple weeks ago and thought he was a looping pioneer. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Brake" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture > Nick, > > Right or wrong, to quote John Scofield, "if you only know bar cords, you > will only play in bars!" > > How can you break the rules if you don't know them? I've seen many > players come and go. Almost always, the people that have done their > homework, spent countless hours polishing their craft are the artists > that have some brilliant careers. You might break thru not knowing much, > but almost always that type will fall into obscurity as time passes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 21:37:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G1ZxC21473; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:35:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:35:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.187.189.67] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: chrismandel@juno.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:34:26 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: chrismandel@juno.com Message-Id: <20030715.213453.22233.948304@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heres an idea for teachers, especialy piano and drums. Everyone, especially kids, want to just bang on the instrument and not learn anything. the teachers job is to say "no, no, Billy, thats bad" and then get them started on scales and Mary Had a Little Lamb. Step one is to take all freedom and creativity out of the hands of the student. Here's my idea: instead of oppressing this creative impulse, work with it, shape it. Start out with a whole lesson of banging if need be. Then, banging with just white notes, then black notes, then the key of FMaj, then just quarter notes, then over blues chords, then Mary Had a Little Lamb in the right hand with loud banging in the left. The idea is to slowly add technique to the already existing creativity instead of stifling the creativity. One of the best lessons of ever taught was when I was trading 2s with my student and I told him to make me laugh so hard I couldn't play. What insued was 20 minutes of gigles, funny noises, and pure creativity. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 21:45:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G1hob22344; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:43:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c34b3c$23613540$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> <015a01c34afe$079e4f70$5e6e7680@NShortway> <3F144D45.9B504E8F@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:46:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.160.11.117] at Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:43:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <0GVQFD.A._cF.W3KF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Coltrane practiced like a muther-fuck hour after hour after hour after hour starting at a very early age. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > > John Coltrane's a great example to bring up when trying to make the point that > musicians are more creative when they don't know anything... > > Daryl Shawn > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > I really think you're wrong here...scales and chords can only get you so > > far, as well as can stifle musical creativity. I have played guitar for > > 9-10 years, and I know a few basic scales and just chorforms that i've > > either picked up or made up, but I do not at all think that I would be > > better off creatively if I knew more. The most creative guitarists are the > > ones who bend and even break traditional music theory. Some of them know > > the theory and some of them don't even know which "rules" they are breaking. > > IMHO, we are totally limited by twelve-tone equal temperament. There's no > > reason to stick to eleven octave divisions except for the fact that that has > > been the norm for the past few hundreds of years. Ever hear someone start > > integrating microtonality into western music? It's amazing, and mostly > > reliant on people who do not wish to grasp those scales and chords. There > > is no "proper place" where someone should move their fingers to. I think > > that putting more creativity into the music, and playing what *you* think > > sounds right is a total substitute for the "fundamentals". I forget exactly > > which jazz musician said it, I think it might have been Coltrane, "There are > > no wrong notes". > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 21:58:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G1qbC23051; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:52:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c34b3d$5d915640$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <66D50ACC-B6F0-11D7-ABF3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:55:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [68.160.11.117] at Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:52:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <742AyC.A.DoF.l_KF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark writes: "Find out what turns on your student and teach based on that." I TOTALLY agree with this. I think teaching is best accomplished when the teacher is also open to learning something. A student-to-teacher exchange sets up a dynamic that invites the student to become a better learner when it is his/her turn to pick up new ideas. The challenge is that with 10 students, one teacher needs to think and teach in 10 different ways. That's hard work. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture > On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 10:34 AM, David wrote: > > But here's my point : What high-school music teacher today can teach > > these kids how to use Reason or Live, etc.?????? I suggest THESE are > > the kinds of instuments that kids today will be using more and more to > > make their music. > > I agree. Reason is the new Casiotone. Some will flail around and > loose interest, others will be inspired to dig deeper. I think there's > something really nice and democratic about tools like these, but > they're a double edged sword. They can encourage an emphasis on music > production and not being an instrumentalist. > > This isn't new though, dulcimers tuned to a chord, jew harps and other > "folk" instruments can encourage instant gratification. Other > instruments offer a much higher form of flexibility but require > learning a more complex instrument. Look at simple musical forms like > Blues music. Learn 3 chords and you're on it. Of course it's much > more than that, but that is what I'm talking about. I'm helping my > wife learn piano and she's using a combination of piano instruction > books and pop music books. After learning the dry stuff she can at > least have fun playing the chords to "Still Haven't Found What I'm > Looking For." I think this is where most teachers fall down. Find out > what turns on your student and teach based on that. > > Mark Sottliaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 23:29:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G3SVd01097; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:28:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:28:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F14C67C.2010406@spnz.org> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:29:00 -0500 From: Dave Stagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture References: <66D50ACC-B6F0-11D7-ABF3-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark wrote: > On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 10:34 AM, David wrote: > >> But here's my point : What high-school music teacher today can teach >> these kids how to use Reason or Live, etc.?????? I suggest THESE are >> the kinds of instuments that kids today will be using more and more to >> make their music. > > > I agree. Reason is the new Casiotone. Some will flail around and loose > interest, others will be inspired to dig deeper. I think there's > something really nice and democratic about tools like these, but they're > a double edged sword. They can encourage an emphasis on music > production and not being an instrumentalist. Hmmm. I was just thinking about this stuff as a parent (nine year old boy/girl twins). Luckily, they show a fair bit of interest in music, although they don't obsess about it like their father. :} And i've given them free run of my home studio, where there are guitars, drums, keyboards, and recording equipment, and give little music lessons when i can. Here's the interesting question... my son has a particular interest in keyboards. He has a cheap horrible Casio in his room that he actually plays a lot. I'd like to get him a better keyboard, something he can learn synthesis on and stay challenged. Now, Reason and other soft synths come to mind, because they offer a LOT of power for the money. But i really don't want to put a computer in his room at this point - for one thing, keeping the main computer in the family room helps me track Internet usage, and for another, if he had a computer he'd wind up playing video games instead of doing music. So i think i need to find a good used analog-style synth instead, just for his room, and maybe a modern groove box as well. It's more money than a computer, but it'll keep him focused, i think. And speaking of giving lessons to kids... a while back, our babysitter (she's 14) offered some babysitting for a guitar lesson. She was watching the kids all day, so i restrung and checked out her guitar (a hand-me-down), then left her with the instruction to carry it around with her all day, and just play the open strings and listen carefully to them. Keeping her away from chording (and the horrible pain of a beginning guitarist) focused her on the sound the instrument makes. Later on, i gave her a copy of the book "Zen Guitar", which is full of excellent advice to keep budding musicians from the horrors of imitation, style, and other forms of authority-worship. Another odd thing about kids and music i've noticed... because they have me around, my children have no concept of what "weird" music is, or what music is too strange to be socially acceptable. My otherwise normal daughter loves Miles Davis and Scandinavian folk music (her brother, unfortunately, picked up his mother's taste for metal. He has already received dire threats about what will happen if he metal-drums his way into damaging my vintage Ludwig/Zildjian set!). Both kids happily agree on the wonders of the Flaming Lips. In the car the other day, they insisted that i play Henry Kaiser's storytelling version of "Meet the Flintstones" for their friend. Where will my children go with their music, or whatever other art might obsess them? I don't know. I can't expect them to love music the way i love it. What i want is for each of them to love and understand the power of their own self-expression, however they choose to express it. It may not be an art i like, or even comprehend, but it will matter to them, and that's what matters to me. -dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 15 23:44:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G3hPC02351; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:43:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030716034324.15291.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F14C67C.2010406@spnz.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dave StStagnerdadavepspnzrorgwrote: > Later on, i gave her a copy of the book "Zen > Guitar", which is full of > excellent advice to keep budding musicians from the > horrors of > imitation, style, and other forms of > authority-worship. > This is a great book. Unfortunately the author died of ststomachancer not too long ago :( hthttp/wwwwwezenguitarom/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 00:28:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G4Pfa06352; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:25:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:29:59 -0500 Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008c01c34b1b$a9e408c0$7ec55e0c@u73x0> Message-Id: <292D1610-B746-11D7-AC61-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it occurs to me that a very devious person armed with a soldering iron, some wire, and a bench-quality signal generator could make a tempo-syncable stereo looper out of a pair of Digitech RDS-8000s in an afternoon. throw in a frequency divider circuit or two and you could have half-speed or even one-quarter speed. of course, i have no idea if the clock is even interceptable in the RDS. i'm pretty much just dreaming. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 00:39:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G4c6R07333; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture References: <004f01c34b19$3f4073c0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:37:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <004f01c34b19$3f4073c0$7f613d44@soulfruit> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Resent-Message-ID: <19-_vB.A.dyB.uaNF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:37:06 -0400, Will Brake wrote: > How can you break the rules if you don't know them? I think this is one of the problems, that ppl think of theory as "rules". There aren't any rules so you can't break them. Theory is just for naming and studying what has been done. So if you come up with some really weird finger-twisting chord (i.e. "breaking the rules") you can give it a name. That's it. I think many people that haven't studied the fundamentals are under the impression that when you study music you're learning some magical formula to make music, and every time you make music you just do what they taught you in class. That is not the case at all. When you write you still use your ear...theory, if anything, just makes the whole process a lot easier. Some ppl unfortunatley do get way too wrapped up in theory, but that is their problem, not theory's. Of course one can still make great music without knowing a note you're playing, but if they think they're somehow coming up with some new musical language by "not knowing the rules" they are, more likely than not, mistaken. I'm reminded of a friend that only knows the basic chords for guitar and he is practically scared of trying to play anything beyond that. It has more to do with the person, not how much you've learned/not learned. -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 00:53:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G4qQI09026; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture References: <004f01c34b19$3f4073c0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: ernesto schnack MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:52:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with teaching kids what they want to learn, but another very important thing is knowing what their final goal is. Some ppl just want to learn a few chords to accompany themselves while they sing their favorite songs...others want to be the next Pat Metheny. -- ernesto schnack http://www.stringboy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 00:57:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G4uZw09632; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:56:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:56:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030716045634.50117.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030716034324.15291.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3EXX4.A.WWC.DsNF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn this yahoo mail -- that should read "stomach cancer" and the web address www.zenguitar.com --- Squid Loop wrote: > --- Dave StStagnerdadavepspnzrorgwrote: > > Later on, i gave her a copy of the book "Zen > > Guitar", which is full of > > excellent advice to keep budding musicians from > the > > horrors of > > imitation, style, and other forms of > > authority-worship. > > > > > This is a great book. Unfortunately the author died > of > ststomachancer not too long ago :( > > hthttp/wwwwwezenguitarom/ > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 04:06:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G84ae21738; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 04:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 04:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:04:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >--- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> I'm not sure I agree about the whole instant gratification thing. I >> think that our culture has too deep of a division between musician and >> everyone else. Too many teachers begin giving students dry drills. >> Turns them off to music forever... or at least to the idea of being a >> musician. A box that's got some instant fun involved can spark a fun >> aspect and get a student to move forward. Many, of course, will >> realize it's not for them and drop it, but I think it's not necessarily >> a bad thing all the time. > >I think you're absolutely right. There's been a very rigid view of music >instruction over the years and it's crippled a lot of people >creatively. I had a >piano teacher when I was a little kid who definitely discouraged me with her >perfectionism and emphasis on music I didn't connect with. Between her and my >parents refusal to continue paying for guitar lessons when I didn't practice >regularly, I put the playing of music aside for many years. It was only toward >the end of my time in college that I picked it back up. Such a shame >to have lost >some of the best years for learning that sort of thing. When I was ten years old I had been admitted at the Milan Conservatory directed by Mr Abbado (the brother of the director Claudio) he looked at my hands and my teeth and decided I would have been a trumpet player (they were lacking inscriptions in the trumpet class...) My teacher had been the first trumpet of La Scala for 30 years (thirty!!!) he was retired, but still teaching. He stopped playing the very last day of his job in the Orchestra (I mean he didn't even take the trumpet in his hands anymore after that day). (BTW, did anybody see Prova d'Orchestra of Federico Fellini? well it deserves a look...). After three years of playing the trumpet (only "long notes" and scales to train my lips...) I left. I had a guitar... and I did the rest by myself. Ah the great accademic tradition of the old european institutions!!! b:k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 04:39:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6G8cG623691; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 04:38:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 04:38:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:38:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry after sending my last message i received the digest and realised that the discussion has gone further. Of course mine was just the report of a very common experience for people like me who started their musical instruction in accademic institutions. I'll never stop to be astonished when a see that someone who studied piano (or any other instruments) for ten years cannot do nothing else with his instrument that's not an exercise of memory and technic. Most of the people who studied music is in this situation. On the other hand I'd like to point the fact that in many languages "to play" means both "playing an instrument" and "playing a game" - jouer (Fr), spiele (Ger) - : a fact that's surely much more that a mere coincidence (as you see there're no common roots in the three words). b:k Ps: in italian to play is "suonare" which is more related to the acoustic experience and meaning (same latin root of words as sound etc.). This doesn't sound well to me! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 06:25:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GAO7e30033; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:24:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:24:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:23:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c34b84$5dcc9240$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <2ju3TC.A.KVH.GfSF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm, music instruction. Violin for 4 years. Piano for 4 years. Trumpet for six years. Guitar/Bass/Percussion 20 years and counting. I don't believe you ever stop learning. I try to learn something new every day. I try to practice at least 30 minutes every day as well. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: bruno kleinefeld [mailto:brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture I'm sorry after sending my last message i received the digest and realised that the discussion has gone further. Of course mine was just the report of a very common experience for people like me who started their musical instruction in accademic institutions. I'll never stop to be astonished when a see that someone who studied piano (or any other instruments) for ten years cannot do nothing else with his instrument that's not an exercise of memory and technic. Most of the people who studied music is in this situation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 08:35:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GCXxe05219; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:33:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:33:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: multiple EDP technique Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c34b96$aeb0b620$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <008c01c34b1b$a9e408c0$7ec55e0c@u73x0> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good description of your phasing technique, Cino! I especially like it because it's easy to do and it's a good general-purpose technique, useful in many situations. (I've changed the Subject line so that it will pop-up in LD archive searches with less effort.) And thanks for your compliments on my CT-Percussion tracks! There's a lot of good stuff there from many folks. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Cino [mailto:CinoPolnesi@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:54 PM To: dennis@mail.worldserver.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Several years ago I bought a second EDP > primarily because I wanted stereo looping. > To my surprise, I hardly ever use the pair in > stereo. Typically, I find it much more useful to > have two independent EDPs, sometimes synced > and sometimes not. > > Perhaps it's just how and what I loop. But, I'm > curious, how many owners of multi-EDP set-ups > actually use them in stereo? I don't. I'd been using the EDP for about 4 years, and 6 months ago got a second unit. I had no real desire to go to stereo, I was thinking more along the lines of "If 1 EDP is this great and versatile, imagine what 2 would be like!" Like you, I tend to use them both synced and unsynced. I tried the "stereo" option once (unintentionally) and my immediate thought was "Wow, that's kind of a waste of one very powerful machine!" Of course, this is only my opinion. My original intent was to send hand percussion to one unit and sync the other for melodic instruments and drones. But then I started mixing the two, having contrasting melodic and rhythmic patterns in each unit. I guess this is sort of a "default stereo," since there is a distinct separation. One of the things I've most enjoyed with this setup is placing percussion and melodic instruments in each of the two synced units, but setting them to different time lengths. For instance, I'll record a short loop on one, then multiply and overdub to, say, 8 "measures." Since the units are synced the second unit will pick up the original loop length when I record a separate pattern or instrument on it. I'll then multiply this out to, say, 10 "measures." This creates a very pleasant 'kaleidoscopic' shifting in patterns as the two loops go in and out of phase while still maintaining the same rhythmic basis. Then to make things really interesting I will record a melodic part into both units simultaneously. As soon as the loops shift out of phase, the melody will be heard in both left and right, but with a built-in delay between left and right. This sounds equally good in short delays (1-2 seconds) and longer delay times (>10 seconds, etc.). Another really cool effect is that when the 2 shifting loops return to the place in each loop where the "split" melody was originally recorded, it becomes "one" again (undivided) and stays a single voice until the loops go out of phase again. Very cool stuff. All of this works equally well with percussion on its own (can build up some really exquisite polyrhythms) or melodic instruments on their own. BTW, Dennis -- I really enjoy your pieces on the CT-Percussion project! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 09:54:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GDqa011667; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> References: <004301c34aef$ab7de6a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:52:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: developing musicians and a musical culture Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It begins by finding the right teacher for you. I will chime in on this, from my perspective: in that I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH Will's COMMENTS here. story: when i was in grad school (MFA) for art, a fellow student said that the only artists were those with MFA's. we all laughed, BECAUSE THERE ARE A MILLION GREAT ARTISTS OUT THERE NOW AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY who had no schooling, were entirely self-taught, etc. and then you could start to make the claim that a good number of successful artists from the last 100 yrs or so, were "dropouts" who couldn't succeed in the culture of "art schooling". the same argument can be applied to music. >Anyway, there is no substitute for the fundamentals. If you don't have a >grasp of your scales and chords, you won't be able to move your fingers to the proper place. hmmm, i think my fingers move just fine, and its so much more fun finding the improper places! end of my 2 cents... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 10:13:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GEC3F12923; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:12:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030716141156.96679.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re:Was: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Now: Isorhythms To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200307160806.h6G86jC21853@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cino, What you are doing with two EDP's is very loosely analogous to the use of Isorhythms in 14th century Europe. Check out the music of Guillome de Machaut, one of the greatest known composers in the Western world until Bach. Though isorhythms can more precisely be done via MIDI, you are basically creating a set of polymetric loops. This is something that Fripp and others have explored quite a bit in the last few decades. Too bad the EDP can't do pitchshifting. Perhaps that is something that some enterprising indiviual with two Repeaters might try... Taking the loopers out of sync with each other will be following in the footstep's of some of Steve Reich's earlier phase work, to mention just one name... With the EDP, you might try going into half or double speed or reverse at a quantised point. This immediately takes you into Bach fugal territory as he shows with his augmentation, diminution, inversion and retrogradation of themes. I'd love to hear this with 4 EDP's! If you are panning your EDP's (not necessarily hard left and right), you will of course make all this interplay more obvious to an audient, not to mention keeping track of it yourself. Stephen Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Several years ago I bought a second EDP... Cino responded: <<10 seconds, etc.). Another really cool effect is that when the 2 shifting loops return to the place in each loop where the "split" melody was originally recorded, it becomes "one" again (undivided) and stays a single voice until the loops go out of phase again. Very cool stuff. All of this works equally well with percussion on its own (can build up some really exquisite polyrhythms) or melodic instruments on their own.>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 10:22:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GEJc713516; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004f01c34b19$3f4073c0$7f613d44@soulfruit> References: <004f01c34b19$3f4073c0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:19:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: developing musicians and a musical culture Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <59NV0D.A.DTD.67VF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Example: Imagine I put a white canvas in front of you. You have >no experience with paints, brushes, pallet knives, etc. Then to top it >all off, you get only white paint. if this is what you get, you then paint like ROBERT RYMAN (or you could paint the 'polar bear in the blizzard' as one of my students commented on years ago). or you could slather your canvas with the paint and then cover it w/ news images from the paper (mass media) like ROBERT RAUSHCENBERG did (and yes, others before him did it, but he did it well making comments on mass media). and some would say that using paint as a binding medium is not a very good idea by the way. and just because you get a Palette Knife, doesn't mean you'll paint like (or as good as) HANS HOFMANN or GERHARDT RICHTER! it just means you have a palette knife in your tools. I would bet that most would make a "happy tree" like bob ross (rest his soul). and in the classical sense, using the palette knife is for mixing your paints on your palette, you do not use your brushes for this, but most do (it ruines your brushes, plus the residue from other paints can contaminate the color you're mixing, but then w/ that you get Cezanne don't you. and then some would argue that his drawing was horrible, as was his sense of perspective...fundamentals ya know...) s-- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 10:36:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GEXEY14779; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:33:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:33:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c34ba7$2c7606e0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sick of the 'entirely self taught' myth. The only possible way for this to occur is if you have never heard another person play music. Scott, I think you missed my point entirely. That's ok. This discussion group seems to get off topic FREQUENTLY, and I apologize for helping drive it that way. I'm going to try to keep my comments limited to subjects that actually pertain to the topic, LOOPING. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hansen [mailto:scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: developing musicians and a musical culture >It begins by finding the right teacher for you. I will chime in on this, from my perspective: in that I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH Will's COMMENTS here. story: when i was in grad school (MFA) for art, a fellow student said that the only artists were those with MFA's. we all laughed, BECAUSE THERE ARE A MILLION GREAT ARTISTS OUT THERE NOW AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY who had no schooling, were entirely self-taught, etc. and then you could start to make the claim that a good number of successful artists from the last 100 yrs or so, were "dropouts" who couldn't succeed in the culture of "art schooling". the same argument can be applied to music. >Anyway, there is no substitute for the fundamentals. If you don't have a >grasp of your scales and chords, you won't be able to move your fingers to the proper place. hmmm, i think my fingers move just fine, and its so much more fun finding the improper places! end of my 2 cents... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 10:49:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GEfg415749; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:41:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:41:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:41:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000701c34ba7$2c7606e0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of looping . . . I am SLOWING pulling the pieces of kit in my setup together, and am now able to tap time into the MPX G2 from the Ztar, giving the EDP a controllably delayed signal (not synced, BTW). This brings up my question for those of you still reading: How many delay units in series (one into another, as it were) are you folks using? There is the minimalist approach, as evinced by Mr. LaFosse (One guitar, one EDP, one amp) and then some of those Berlin Loop folks had multiple delays now didn't they. Any signal chains to share from all y'all? (All y'all, BTW, is the internationally recognized plural of y'all) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 11:13:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GFBsi18167; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.62.88.124] X-Originating-Email: [nickschillace@hotmail.com] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: developing musicians and a musical culture Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:11:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2003 15:11:47.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[936F2A20:01C34BAC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Mark writes: "Find out what turns on your student and teach based on that." I do think this is the key. I've been teaching guitar for 10 years and have always used this method. It does just come down to fundamentals. Music vocabulary is fairly basic, and the guitar lends itself to pattern and memorization which can be applied to the simplest power chord or more "sophisticated" type of harmony. Let the student decide. >The challenge is that with 10 students, one teacher needs to think and >teach in 10 different ways. That's hard work. This I feel is true as well but the best part of teaching. There is so much music that I don't listen to that I don't mind hearing when a student brings it in, and that includes much of the radio hits. I wouldn't put it on myself but it is kinda fun transcribing Linkin Park or whatever, and then trying to convince the student that even within that stuff there is consistent music material that can be concentrated and absorbed into a broader vocabulary, or better stated a personal vernacular. Plus my real goal is to get students to transcribe. Then they can be "self-taught" ha ha. As for keeping up with technology, that comes down to what the teacher does. I routinely bring my looping rigs and pedal boards and powerbook, etc. to the studio to try and school these kids. 99% of the time the kids flip because they don't ever see that kind of stuff. For that matter they don't ever hear fingerpicking in the style of John Fahey! The scope of popular culture is so limited these days that almost anything you expose a young student to is new. Many of my early teen students have no idea who Jimi Hendrix is, let alone Gary Lucas or David Torn. That says a lot. My basic method is to work from some general music theory/technique and to encourage kids to bring in CDs to transcribe. I then transcribe something I want them to learn. I love blowing a kid's mind with Ennio Morricone. The major problem I see as a teacher that gives 50+ lessons a week is that most younger students have no real exposure to music and very few purchase CDs. For every 1 store bought disc I see, I get 20 burned copies, and the students often don't even know who the artist is. Sorry for the long post, but this is a big subject form me. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 11:52:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GFnhO20810; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:49:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:49:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:49:35 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003201c34bb1$db1e3370$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am SLOWING pulling the pieces of kit in my setup together, > and am now able to tap time into the MPX G2 from the Ztar, > giving the EDP a controllably delayed signal (not synced, > BTW). This brings up my question for those of you still > reading: How many delay units in series (one into another, as > it were) are you folks using? There is the minimalist > approach, as evinced by Mr. LaFosse (One guitar, one EDP, one > amp) and then some of those Berlin Loop folks had multiple > delays now didn't they. Any signal chains to share from all > y'all? (All y'all, BTW, is the internationally recognized > plural of y'all) Gary 1 EDP + 1 Repeater here :-) Signal chain pic at http://www.looproom.com/bilder/mini_rig.gif (backup for my bad memory). Loopers and filter bank midi synced. Most stuff midi controlled by feet. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 12:24:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GGLfN24253; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:21:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:21:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c34bb6$50f265e0$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <003201c34bb1$db1e3370$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:21:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all... After a LONG hiatus from the high-bandwidth of LD, and a host of other personal direction anomalies, I'm back to see what you've all been up to! Great discussion about music instruction, learning and tools for such. I'm going to get a copy of "Zen Guitar". Sounds like a good read. I have 1 EDP, 1 DL4 and a Boss DD-5... Even with the many possibilities in the EDP, I've found myself happily looping with the DL4 for weeks on end, and not really feeling that limited. I'm on a swing back to the EDP lately with medium-high feedback settings for slowly evolving loops. Usually 1 main theme in loop 1 and a long evolver of the main loop in loop 2. Great fun! I used to be totally commited to a stereo setup with Vortexes swirling about etc. But I've been a lazy sod for a couple years and have become quite happy playing mono. Strange... I do most of my stereoizing at the computer end of things now. For live work, mono has been very practical and my small rig makes setup and travel quite easy. Nice to be back, Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" http://www.powerhat.com/ics/sounds.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: RE: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced > > I am SLOWING pulling the pieces of kit in my setup together, > > and am now able to tap time into the MPX G2 from the Ztar, > > giving the EDP a controllably delayed signal (not synced, > > BTW). This brings up my question for those of you still > > reading: How many delay units in series (one into another, as > > it were) are you folks using? There is the minimalist > > approach, as evinced by Mr. LaFosse (One guitar, one EDP, one > > amp) and then some of those Berlin Loop folks had multiple > > delays now didn't they. Any signal chains to share from all > > y'all? (All y'all, BTW, is the internationally recognized > > plural of y'all) Gary > > > 1 EDP + 1 Repeater here :-) Signal chain pic at > http://www.looproom.com/bilder/mini_rig.gif (backup for my bad memory). > Loopers and filter bank midi synced. Most stuff midi controlled by feet. > > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.looproom.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 12:55:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GGs9d28273; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.92] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:52:17 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030716.125308.7894.268054@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <65f6BC.A.o5G.wMYF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Great thread! I am using for my live Acoustic solo rig the EDP into a Lexicon MPX110 into the Repeater with an Alesis AirFX in the FX loop. So many ways to mangle the sound!. I currently use the new Furman pedal board (just got it) with my Rock Band. I plug into the Furman which then sends to my Morley Volume/Dist/Wah into the Boss RC-20 then into the Boss DD20. I like using the unsynced loops with my drummer because his timing changes when distracted and I can kill them quick if needed. The dd20 works great for on the fly looping when building up layered solos'. Great day to all! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 13:05:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GH3g329533; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:03:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:03:30 -0400 From: Mooveetoon@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <28099CCB.31E18E59.0C32E62B@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was a lurker and need to bow out for a while. Thanks. e-mail address was mooveetoon@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 13:23:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GHMOC31663; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:21:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c34bbe$c1e81df0$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <28099CCB.31E18E59.0C32E62B@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its on this page http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html -----Original Message----- From: Mooveetoon@aol.com [mailto:Mooveetoon@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 1:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe I was a lurker and need to bow out for a while. Thanks. e-mail address was mooveetoon@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 14:20:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GIInB04632; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:18:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:18:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:18:42 -0700 Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030716.125308.7894.268054@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Weg, How do you like your MPX110? I find myself needing an extra reverb/effect box of some kind to wetten up the dry outs of my drum machine (I have the ability to route signal to aux outs so my drums can go straight into the mixer and I can send other sounds to my Repeater, but they must be dry.) Also, do you know the max delay time on it? I'm thinking it might be a small looper of it's own if I set it up right. Thanks a lot, Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Weg wrote: > > Hi all, > Great thread! I am using for my live Acoustic solo rig the EDP into > a Lexicon MPX110 into the Repeater with an Alesis AirFX in the FX > loop. So many ways to mangle the sound!. I currently use the new > Furman pedal board (just got it) with my Rock Band. I plug into the > Furman which then sends to my Morley Volume/Dist/Wah into the Boss > RC-20 then into the Boss DD20. I like using the unsynced loops with > my drummer because his timing changes when distracted and I can kill > them quick if needed. The dd20 works great for on the fly looping > when building up layered solos'. > > Great day to all! > Weg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 14:27:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GIQL905207; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Welcome back! Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:27:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c34bc7$e5791a40$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <008701c34bb6$50f265e0$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great to have you back, Miko! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 14:52:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GIojT07634; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:50:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.66] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:50:05 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030716.145034.18482.275868@webmail16.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, I use the 110 to wet my sound. I am not sure about it as a looper as I don't remember what the delay time is but I don't think it is more than say 3 to 5 secs. You might check and see if the manual is online as I am in the process of moving and have packed my manuals away for a while. Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 15:07:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GJ5V208955; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:05:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030716.145034.18482.275868@webmail16.nyc.untd.com> Message-Id: <742401D4-B7C0-11D7-B894-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 11:50 AM, Weg wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > I use the 110 to wet my sound. I am not sure about it as a looper > as I don't remember what the delay time is but I don't think it is > more than say 3 to 5 secs. You might check and see if the manual is > online as I am in the process of moving and have packed my manuals > away for a while. > > Weg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 16:04:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GJtkv13421; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:55:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:55:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ESL555@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.de94353.2c4707b4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:55:32 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d9.de94353.2c4707b4_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Resent-Message-ID: <3T97cD.A.lRD.C3aF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d9.de94353.2c4707b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubsribe thanks steve --part1_1d9.de94353.2c4707b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubsribe
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steve --part1_1d9.de94353.2c4707b4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 17:38:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GLTQk21834; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:29:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:29:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PTMERRIL11@aol.com Message-ID: <142.158cf8fd.2c471db2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:29:22 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_142.158cf8fd.2c471db2_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_142.158cf8fd.2c471db2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please unsubscribe me for the current time --part1_142.158cf8fd.2c471db2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please unsubscribe me for the= current time --part1_142.158cf8fd.2c471db2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 17:49:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GLjK623650; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c34be3$ea85c300$05c7590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <20030716141156.96679.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:Was: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Now: Isorhythms Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:47:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7ftUiD.A.cxF.wdcF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen wrote: > Cino, > What you are doing with two EDP's is very loosely > analogous to the use of Isorhythms in 14th > century Europe. Check out the music of Guillome de > Machaut, one of the greatest known composers > in the Western world until Bach. Though isorhythms > can more precisely be done via MIDI, you are > basically creating a set of polymetric loops. This is > something that Fripp and others have > explored quite a bit in the last few decades. When starting to experiment with this technique I hadn't particularly thought in terms of the isorhythms of early music, but it is a very good comparison. I am familiar with Guillaume de Machaut and very much enjoy that period of "early" music, so perhaps the idea of isometrics was floating around in my subconscious . . . . . . on the topic of isorhythm, I would recommend 2 wonderful recordings by the Huelgas Ensemble, under the direction of Paul van Nevel: 1) Vivarte/Sony Classical SK 53 976 -- Music From The Court of King Janus at Nicosia (1374 - 1432) 2) Deustche-Harmonia Mundi 7977-2-RC -- Cypriot Advent Antiphons - Anonymus c. 1390 These are both gorgeous recordings of works by composers whose names have been lost to time. The music all was written either for the court or the church on the island of Cyprus in the 14th/15th centuries at a time that the island was under French control. The first recording features several isorhythmic pieces, and in the second recording all the pieces use this technique. I can't recommend these highly enough for those loopers with an interest in older music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 18:13:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GMAa825944; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:10:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:10:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030716221035.35909.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:10:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <142.158cf8fd.2c471db2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- PTMERRIL11@aol.com wrote: > please unsubscribe me for the current time > wow whats up with all the AOL madnes -- this is the 3rd unsubscribe request from an AOL'er -- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 18:21:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GMIXn26698; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:18:03 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c34be8$2047d420$0200a8c0@akadev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030716221035.35909.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know but, on another forum I moderate there are problems with AOL user is it just a coincidence? -----Original Message----- From: Squid Loop [mailto:tentacle_joe@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe --- PTMERRIL11@aol.com wrote: > please unsubscribe me for the current time > wow whats up with all the AOL madnes -- this is the 3rd unsubscribe request from an AOL'er -- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 19:18:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6GNGvG31702; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:16:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:16:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:16:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6GNGvk31676 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:41 AM -0700 7/16/03, Relay wrote: >How many delay units in series (one into another, as it were) are you folks >using? I'm currently splitting the stereo outputs from the "A machine" of an Eventide Orville into the inputs of a pair of brother-synced EDPs and into input one of a Rane SM-82 mixer. The outputs of the EDPs go into another channel of the Rane. There is an Electrix Repeater in the stereo effects send/return of the Rane. With a little planning, I can get three independent stereo loops going. I can pour the output of the Orville into either the EDPs or the Repeater, or I can pour the output of the EDPs into the Repeater. This means that if I put all these things in series, I could have 87 seconds from the Orville, 198 seconds from the EDPs, and 240 seconds from the Repeater. This works out to 8:45 all in glorious stereo. It's an embarrassing amount of gear to throw at making Righteous Racket, but it sure is fun. Chris p.s. I forgot to mention the 40 seconds that the Orville has in each of its A and B machines for general purpose delay, reverb, chorus, etc. use. Oh... my guitar amp has a spring reverb, too. :-) -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 21:07:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6H15NA09062; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F15F651.7030106@quik.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:05:21 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Relay wrote: > How many delay units in series (one into another, as it were) are you folks > using? 3 (guitars and various fx) -> line 6 DL4 -> line6 MM4 -> line6 DL4 -> (more fx) -> line6 echopro -> (out) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 16 21:43:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6H1evA11917; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:40:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <124.240d442d.2c47589e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:40:46 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_124.240d442d.2c47589e_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_124.240d442d.2c47589e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/03 3:10:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tentacle_joe@yahoo.com writes: > wow whats up with all the AOL madnes -- this is the > 3rd unsubscribe request from an AOL'er -- > > You have to be mad to continue on as an AOL subscriber. --part1_124.240d442d.2c47589e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/16/03 3:10:44 PM Pacific Daylight= Time, tentacle_joe@yahoo.com writes:

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You have to be mad to continue on as an AOL subscriber. --part1_124.240d442d.2c47589e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 00:08:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6H47DK23201; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:00:16 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 7.19.03, Hyde Park, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, electrons@cardhouse.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, collision-collusion@ai.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing live video mixology at the Artists-At-Large Gallery, on Saturday July 19, at 8PM. I'll be performing with my old friends, Urban Ambience, who will be playing two sets. I don't have an admission price listed, but I'm sure it is either inexpensive or free. Artists-At-Large Gallery is a wonderful, comfortable performing space, and I had a great time the last time I played there. Hope to see some of you. Artists-At-Large Gallery is at 37 Everett Street Cleary Square Hyde Park near the Hyde Park Commuter Rail station. The directions I have are from Forest Hills station, in JP Follow Hyde Park Ave. from Forest Hills Station out about 2 or 3 miles Everett St. is just after Duncn' Donuts in Hyde Park center. Call 617-276-3223 for further info and directions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 01:12:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6H5Ax728510; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:10:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:10:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030716233903.029a1b30@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:08:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? In-Reply-To: <20030715161339.3888.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030715100923.02a67710@spamarrest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:13 AM 7/15/2003 -0700, Greg House wrote: >--- Catilyne wrote: > > > > Well, in light of the different mods out there for the Jamman or PCM-42, > > I'd also wondered if there were any possibility for asking/harassing > Line 6 > >But, you must remember that the people doing those mods were the original >developers of those products (no longer employeed by the company), and the >mods were only available after the products were discontinued. Okay. Well, we've got the 'discontinued' requirement down. Now all we have to do is track down the developers. Oh yeah, then we need to get them fired, so they'll have an incentive to work independently on mods for us. <*large evil grin*> So, I figure that in reality there's not much chance of their working out something, then. Not to menion that the Echo Pro engine is probably based on a lot of the same code as the DL-4 (which is probably one contributing factor why everything is collapsed down to mono for the looper). Since the DL-4 is still in production, I would imagine we don't have to worry about starving devs for quite a while. ;) > > Although it sounds as if Mark actually tried to explore that possibility, > > and ran up against a brick wall. > >I think that was Eric. (D'oh!!!! Sorry Eric!) >But I wonder who the person he talked to at Line 6 was >truly reprentative of their attitude toward this. There's a vast difference >between talking to the person that designs and maintains the firmware on >the box >and some minimum-wage flunkie they might have hired to man the telephones for >"support". Hard to tell. I've worked as a Support Engineer in a call center before, and it really can be hit-or-miss. Sometimes you'll talk to a knowledgeable gear who's interested in solving your problem, but other times you'll get a complete flunky who is talking completely out of his a** just to get you off the phone and get him closer to his weekly paycheck. And, of course, sometimes you manage to get 'the new guy'. However, like it or not, the Support guys are generally the 'gatekeepers' to Devel, and this has two immediate implications. By being around the developers they sometimes do pick up actual information or attitudes and let that trickle out of the organization to you, the customer. In the other direction, they're there to filter any information getting from you back to those same developers (remember: those guys are hired to write code, and if they were in direct contact with every member of the user base they'd certainly go into information overload. At the very least, they'd never get a moment to produce a line of code.) So, if you're able to get one of the Support guys on your side, you may have a ghost of a chance of having your idea carried upstairs. Ultimately, it depends a lot on the company and its corporate culture though, and it's hard to predict without some intimate knowledge of the company. Otherwise, you're stuck trolling trade shows like NAMM or the MusikMesse to see if the appropriate guy just happened to make it down. :P -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 01:24:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6H5Nce29245; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030716153100.02b52608@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:37:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced In-Reply-To: References: <20030716.125308.7894.268054@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:18 AM 7/16/2003 -0700, mark wrote: >How do you like your MPX110? I find myself needing an extra reverb/effect >box of some kind to wetten up the dry outs of my drum machine Mark, I've got an MPX 100 (same basic unit as the 110, but a little earlier; the 110 has only minor updates, if I remember correctly). It's an okay unit, but it really depends on what you're looking to get out of it. If you're expecting an inexpensive unit that still has that Lexicon 'sound' then just forget it. The MPX-1x0's only have the merest hint of Lex's characteristic reverbs. I get a more distinct and characteristic Lexicon sound from my old LXP-5, even though it has a much reduced sample/bit rate. However, if you're merely looking for a cheap multi-FX unit with no real character of its own, it's not bad. It's quiet, and it doesn't sound *bad*, merely non-descript. I'd say it's no better or worse than similar low-end units from Alesis, Digitech, ART, etc. If you're really looking at pinching pennies, you're probably better off trolling Ebay for a used MidiVerb. I haven't gotten to the point where I've sold mine (yet), but I did yank it out of my rack to be replaced with a Boss VF-1. I've been much happier since. >Also, do you know the max delay time on it? I'm thinking it might be a >small looper of it's own if I set it up right. The MPX-100's got 5.5 seconds mono, and 2.7 seconds stereo. The manual for both is online, so check that to see if the 110 has any more memory. I'm betting it's not much different. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 02:29:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6H6RSp00710; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:27:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:27:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:27:30 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030716153100.02b52608@spamarrest.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2sVKlC.A.-K.QHkF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this was originally supposed to go to Weg, but thanks for the info. I picked one up today to check out. My needs are this: I bought an E-MU Command Station and one of the big pluses is it has 3 sets of stereo outputs. You can do all sorts of cool routing (they can act as effect sends too) but if you use a set as a pure secondary set of outputs it bypasses it's effects. Dry out only. I mainly just wanted a little ambience and or reverb for as cheap as possible. I midi synced delay is a bonus too, which it seems to do well. I got an open box special so I got a good deal. Seems to be doing the job so far. The main thing I don't like about it is the way you can save and recall presets. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 09:37 PM, Catilyne wrote: > At 11:18 AM 7/16/2003 -0700, mark wrote: > >> How do you like your MPX110? I find myself needing an extra >> reverb/effect box of some kind to wetten up the dry outs of my drum >> machine > > Mark, I've got an MPX 100 (same basic unit as the 110, but a little > earlier; the 110 has only minor updates, if I remember correctly). > It's an okay unit, but it really depends on what you're looking to get > out of it. If you're expecting an inexpensive unit that still has > that Lexicon 'sound' then just forget it. The MPX-1x0's only have the > merest hint of Lex's characteristic reverbs. I get a more distinct > and characteristic Lexicon sound from my old LXP-5, even though it has > a much reduced sample/bit rate. > > However, if you're merely looking for a cheap multi-FX unit with no > real character of its own, it's not bad. It's quiet, and it doesn't > sound *bad*, merely non-descript. I'd say it's no better or worse > than similar low-end units from Alesis, Digitech, ART, etc. If you're > really looking at pinching pennies, you're probably better off > trolling Ebay for a used MidiVerb. > > I haven't gotten to the point where I've sold mine (yet), but I did > yank it out of my rack to be replaced with a Boss VF-1. I've been > much happier since. > >> Also, do you know the max delay time on it? I'm thinking it might be >> a small looper of it's own if I set it up right. > > The MPX-100's got 5.5 seconds mono, and 2.7 seconds stereo. The > manual for both is online, so check that to see if the 110 has any > more memory. I'm betting it's not much different. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 02:37:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6H6aZc01492; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:36:14 -0700 Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F15F651.7030106@quik.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Relay wrote: >> How many delay units in series (one into another, as it were) are you >> folks >> using? I keep a MPX G2 with some nice synced delays, and then I use an MPX1 to do post loop processing. I can get a lot of cool stuff going this way. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 03:02:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6H6wAM03058; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030717013534.02a3d960@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:55:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030716153100.02b52608@spamarrest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <90d1-C.A.pv.BkkF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:27 PM 7/16/2003 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >this was originally supposed to go to Weg, but thanks for the info. Sorry dude, my insomnia's kicking in and driving me a little buggy.... >I picked one up today to check out. My needs are this: I bought an E-MU >Command Station and one of the big pluses is it has 3 sets of stereo >outputs. You can do all sorts of cool routing (they can act as effect >sends too) but if you use a set as a pure secondary set of outputs it >bypasses it's effects. Dry out only. I mainly just wanted a little >ambience and or reverb for as cheap as possible. I've got one of the older E-mu units (a Morpheus) which has a similar function, only not as advanced -- only 2 sets of stereo outputs. I've done some pretty wicked routing in there, so I can only imagine how much you can do on the Command Station. >I midi synced delay is a bonus too, which it seems to do well. It does track MIDI quite nicely, which is something I'll give Lexicon points for. My only gripe there is that the interface is so sparse it demands you use their 'learn' function for even the simplest things. An example: I got it set up in the rack, and was getting all the common settings for all my units configured before actually having the MIDI patchbay wired in. I went to simply set the MIDI channel, then realized I couldn't do it from the front panel; I'd actually have to plug in a keyboard, press the 'learn' button combo, then send it a program change on the channel to which I wanted it set. What a pain for such a simple function. >I got an open box special so I got a good deal. Seems to be doing the job >so far. The main thing I don't like about it is the way you can save and >recall presets. Hey, if it's working well for you then that's all that counts. I got a bit burned in that it's one of the few pieces of gear I've bought sight-unseen (I'd a good amount of experience with the Lexicon PCM- and LXP- series verbs, and when the opportunity came to get a new Lex for only a coupla bills, I jumped based solely on reputation). It didn't live up to my expectations, is all. That, however, doesn't mean it's not a competent unit, and that it can't live up to yours. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 03:03:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6H71fa03279; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 03:01:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 03:01:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030717003354.029a17f0@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:59:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced In-Reply-To: References: <000701c34ba7$2c7606e0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:41 AM 7/16/2003 -0700, Relay wrote: >How many delay units in series (one into another, as it were) are you folks >using? Mine's a slightly unconventional setup, but I know there are others on the list using similar architectures. I've got an automated effects matrix which allows me to change the order of the effects plugged into it. Some of the other guys using Switchblades or other patch bays have the same kind of flexibility. My signal chain starts with the computers & synthesizers (most of which have internal effects/delay) then is routed to any or all of the following: Electrix Repeater, Line 6 Echo Pro, Line 6 Filter Pro, and Boss VF-1 (also there's an Akai PEQ-7 graphic eq hardwired to certain key points). The signal then passes into my mixer, where there are two effects sends that route back into the matrix once again before returning. Also, the Repeater has a Korg Kaos Pad dedicated into its effect loop. So, I guess a chain using the theoretical maximum number of delays might look something like this: synth patch using internal echo --> VF-1 --> Echo Pro --> Repeater (using effect loop to --> Kaos Pad) --> mixer. That's not using the mixer/matrix to recurse the signal back through any of the units all over again, however. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 06:05:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HA0l513911; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 06:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 06:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c34c4a$4786bfd0$75772544@user0jd9dje1rf> From: "Sempai" To: References: Subject: Re: Video Performance 7.19.03, Hyde Park, MA Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 06:00:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a little feedback. I'm judging by the area code that this is in Boston or the vicinity? It would be a good idea to actually mention the city and state. Just my .02 Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Video Performance 7.19.03, Hyde Park, MA > Hi folks, > > I'll be doing live video mixology at the Artists-At-Large Gallery, on > Saturday July 19, at 8PM. I'll be performing with my old friends, > Urban Ambience, who will be playing two sets. > > I don't have an admission price listed, but I'm sure it is either > inexpensive or free. > > Artists-At-Large Gallery is a wonderful, comfortable performing > space, and I had a great time the last time I played there. Hope to > see some of you. > > > Artists-At-Large Gallery is at > 37 Everett Street > Cleary Square > Hyde Park > > near the Hyde Park Commuter Rail station. > > The directions I have are from Forest Hills station, in JP > > Follow Hyde Park Ave. from Forest Hills Station out about 2 or 3 > miles Everett St. is just after Duncn' Donuts in Hyde Park center. > > Call 617-276-3223 for further info and directions. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 10:09:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HE4Cm00514; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:04:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:04:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.26] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:02:43 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Weg Message-Id: <20030717.100308.5780.282452@webmail15.nyc.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, Catilyne is right, it depends on what you need. I use it because it has tap tempo and I can quickly dial in an effect to change my loop or to add a detune to the acoustic. You need to hook a pc to it to do any worthwhile editing and the sounds do not compare to the more expensive Lex units but for $200 it does what I need very well. I use the FCB1010 to control my Repeater and EDP and keep the AirFX in the Repeater FX loop so my hand is always finding a fun sound out of one of the units. I play around Charleston, West (by God) Virginia where Americans want to here something familiar so I tend to give them an old cover song every forth or fifth song. It helps to keep them interested. They do like the looping but who can sing along with some of the mayhem I create???? Well I do but they don't sing along unless it's something they heard before. I would love to have Lex G2 or the MPX1 to really process my loops! Thanks, weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 10:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HEZPB03251; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:35:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:34:57 -0700 Subject: Re: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030717.100308.5780.282452@webmail15.nyc.untd.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 07:02 AM, Weg wrote: > I would love to have Lex G2 or the MPX1 to really process my loops! Yeah, I have to say I especially like the MPX1. The MPX G2 is very similar, but I don't feel it's pre-amp tones are all that good. I ended up having to augment it with a tube pre-amp to get the sound I was looking for. I have a few other beefs with it. One that comes to mind is the delay when you change presets. If you're looking to go from one pre-set to another smoothly, you're out of luck. On the other hand, the A/B control lets you totally change a sound so you can get the effect of going from a clean stereo chorus to a distorted sound. I thought I'd use the JamMan function, but I find I hardly ever use it with the Repeater next in the chain. As part of my main guitar signal processor it doesn't seem to make much sense. It's also a little awkward to program, but once you get the hang of it, it's not too bad. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 12:22:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HGJRT14118; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:19:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:19:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030717161925.74862.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:19:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030716233903.029a1b30@spamarrest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Catilyne wrote: > At 09:13 AM 7/15/2003 -0700, Greg House wrote: > >--- Catilyne wrote: > > > > > > Well, in light of the different mods out there for the Jamman or PCM-42, > > > I'd also wondered if there were any possibility for asking/harassing > > Line 6 > > > >But, you must remember that the people doing those mods were the original > >developers of those products (no longer employeed by the company), and the > >mods were only available after the products were discontinued. > > Okay. Well, we've got the 'discontinued' requirement down. Is the Echo Pro discontinued?? The Line 6 website still lists it as a current product. > Hard to tell. I've worked as a Support Engineer in a call center before, > and it really can be hit-or-miss. Sometimes you'll talk to a knowledgeable > gear who's interested in solving your problem, but other times you'll get a > complete flunky who is talking completely out of his a** just to get you > off the phone and get him closer to his weekly paycheck. And, of course, > sometimes you manage to get 'the new guy'. Exactly my point. > However, like it or not, the Support guys are generally the 'gatekeepers' > to Devel, and this has two immediate implications. By being around the > developers they sometimes do pick up actual information or attitudes and > let that trickle out of the organization to you, the customer. Now, this implies that the support people actually HAVE some contact with the developers. This is not always the case. I worked in support at a major computer company and the development happened in a totally different part of the country, and my only contact with the developers was through email, and even that didn't happen very often. It was primarily "write up a problem report" if you found a bug. Oftentimes the CUSTOMERS would have more contact with the development orgs then we would. > So, if you're able to get > one of the Support guys on your side, you may have a ghost of a chance of > having your idea carried upstairs. Again, this implies that the support people have some say in the product features. Frankly, I don't think this happens at most companies. Development orgs and support orgs tend to be totally segregated. > Ultimately, it depends a lot on the company and its corporate culture > though, and it's hard to predict without some intimate knowledge of the > company. Precisely! Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 12:45:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HGgRH16239; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:42:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:42:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030716153100.02b52608@spamarrest.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030716153100.02b52608@spamarrest.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:42:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: (re: mpx100)... Delays, synced & unsynced Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've got the mpx100 also. i happen to think it's a great little unit. granted it's not a lexicon top of the line, but it also doesn't cost an arm and a leg and an arm. i like using it's stereo effects when recording, etc. but note: the 5.5sec of delay are not at 99% or infinite. i think they are fixed at like 30% (thought i read that somewhere). which when using 5.5 sec can be fun for delay effects, i sometimes have my dod d12 at a long delay to get some weird semi-repeated delay things going. most fun at times. but that is my main gripe w/ the mpx100, wish the long mono delay that goes to 5.5sec, had the "adjust" knob to adjust feedback. that would be a great feature. in the special fxs section, there is a "loop" function, which i think only loops 1 sec. so if you're looking for a budget efx box the mpx 100 is great(!), and i imagine the mpx110 is good also. i've seen the mpx100 on h-c.com in the $90-100 range, which at that price is a good deal. it's just not a "dedicated looper device", just a multi-effects device that offers 5.5 sec of delay at 30% or so. s--- > >>How do you like your MPX110? I find myself needing an extra >>reverb/effect box of some kind to wetten up the dry outs of my drum >>machine > > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 12:58:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HGvJi17681; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:57:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:57:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1058461035!610667 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB292@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: How Many Delays, synced and unsynced Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:54:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34C84.22DA1EE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C34C84.22DA1EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 13:18:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HHGvB19922; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:16:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:16:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F16DCEB.CCA5A918@erols.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:29:15 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: gig sharing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. I've been a member here for about 6 months. I've never been part of an online community before. I've obtained so much great information from this list, and I really appreciate it. I gig about 4 to 5 times a month. 90 percent of the time it is a solo loop show. Being a singer/songwriter, I've done many multiple singer/songwriter shows over the past few years. I've also done some minor touring by sharing shows with other songwriters that I've met. I'm in New Jersey and I've done some shows in Massachusetts and Philadelphia. I'd like to do shows all over the country. I know that many of you have regular gigs in your area. I have a few good monthly gigs here in north New Jersey. Would anybody on the list be interested in doing some gig sharing? Not neccessarliy a full blown loop festival, more like come to New Jersey and share a show with me, and I come to your state and I share a show with you. I know that Rick Walker is doing a European tour right now. I'm sure that some other people on the list would like to share their music with people outside of their home town. I do have a day job, so I'm not looking to do a full blown US tour. Just maybe one weekend a month drive out to a gig a few states away, or maybe further in the summer(I'm a teacher) I'm not looking to make money doing this. I just want the opportunity to share my music with more people. If you are interested, let me know. Perhaps as a list we can create a network of gig sharing all over the place. Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 13:49:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HHfm722234; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030717123741.02c24790@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:38:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? In-Reply-To: <20030717161925.74862.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030716233903.029a1b30@spamarrest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 09:19 AM 7/17/2003 -0700, Greg House wrote: > > Okay. Well, we've got the 'discontinued' requirement down. > >Is the Echo Pro discontinued?? The Line 6 website still lists it as a current >product. > >Wow, I think you're right. I had figured that that was the reason behind >the big $199 blowout. And for a while you couldn't get one through >Zzounds or Musician's Friend, so I thought they'd been EOL'd. I just >checked though, and it now looks like they're back up in mailorder for >$299 again, so perhaps they weren't discontinued. > > > However, like it or not, the Support guys are generally the 'gatekeepers' > > to Devel, and this has two immediate implications. > >Now, this implies that the support people actually HAVE some contact with the >developers. This is not always the case. I worked in support at a major >computer >company and the development happened in a totally different part of the >country, >and my only contact with the developers was through email, and even that >didn't >happen very often. > >Depends very much on the company size and its number of employees, I think. > >I've worked for two different hardware manufacturers (one firewalls, the >other network traffic management), and the story was completely >different. At the first company, we could simply walk across the building >and poke out heads into the appropriate developer's door (they just might >wing a stapler at your head, but you could do it). At the second company, >the dev's are segregated off but still have that same sort of contact with >individuals on the senior-level Support staff. > >Now, I also know the scenario you're talking about, however. For >instance, that first company with which I worked was bought up by a major >multi-national network provider, and we then became their managed firewall >arm. In doing so, we added another product to our offering in that we'd >resell Checkpoint as well as our own products. > >Any time we escalated a Checkpoint problem, we'd have to forward a ticket >to their Support Center in Texas, who would then re-forward it to their >developers in Israel. Ugh! It would normally take at least two days to >get an answer for even the simplest problem (due to time zone differences, >if nothing else), which was especially frustrating because we could have >just run upstairs for a solution if it had been related to one of our own >products. The poor Checkpoint guys in Texas were just lost half the time, >though, because they didn't have any visibility into anything anywhere... > > > Ultimately, it depends a lot on the company and its corporate culture > > though, and it's hard to predict without some intimate knowledge of the > > company. > >Precisely! > > From what little we know about Line 6, just curious which model you think > they're closer to. Any guesses...? > > -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 13:59:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HHteE23416; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:55:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:55:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030717175539.44690.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:55:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030717123741.02c24790@spamarrest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Catilyne wrote: > Wow, I think you're right. I had figured that that was the reason behind > the big $199 blowout. And for a while you couldn't get one through > Zzounds or Musician's Friend, so I thought they'd been EOL'd. I just > checked though, and it now looks like they're back up in mailorder for > $299 again, so perhaps they weren't discontinued. Actually, as near as I can tell, there never WAS a $199 blowout...except at one particular local GuitarCenter store. Not a generalized thing. When I read about that price, I searched all the online vendors I could find and nobody had 'em below $299. > From what little we know about Line 6, just curious which model you think > they're closer to. Any guesses...? Yeah, it would be very interesting to know how big a company it is, and how their support and development operations interact. There used to be a Line6 employee that frequented this list, but he hasn't been around for a long time. Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 14:30:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HISEu26621; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:28:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:28:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:28:03 -0700 Subject: Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030717175539.44690.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <66EDDB32-B884-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I imagine pretty big, though I don't think they did much with their "studio" modeler line. They're main business seems to be guitar amps. I could be wrong. I don't know about the others, but the Delay Pro seemed seriously flawed. Bad MIDI sync for delays. No MIDI sync for loops. ... but it was so close. Nice interface. Interesting delay models. If they still are making them with the MIDI bug, they are ripping the public off. They came out with a PODxt, I think they'd do much, much better if they actually put out an Echo Pro that did what it was supposed to do and got the midi synced loop thing going as well. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 10:55 AM, Greg House wrote: > --- Catilyne wrote: >> Wow, I think you're right. I had figured that that was the reason >> behind >> the big $199 blowout. And for a while you couldn't get one through >> Zzounds or Musician's Friend, so I thought they'd been EOL'd. I just >> checked though, and it now looks like they're back up in mailorder for >> $299 again, so perhaps they weren't discontinued. > > Actually, as near as I can tell, there never WAS a $199 > blowout...except at one > particular local GuitarCenter store. Not a generalized thing. When I > read about > that price, I searched all the online vendors I could find and nobody > had 'em > below $299. > >> From what little we know about Line 6, just curious which model you >> think >> they're closer to. Any guesses...? > > Yeah, it would be very interesting to know how big a company it is, > and how their > support and development operations interact. There used to be a Line6 > employee > that frequented this list, but he hasn't been around for a long time. > > Greg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 14:34:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HIWax27277; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:32:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:32:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030717132006.02c1b008@spamarrest.com> X-Sender: catilyne@spamarrest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:30:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: (affordable) stereo (live) looping? In-Reply-To: <20030717175539.44690.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030717123741.02c24790@spamarrest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9EnySC.A.EqG.EvuF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:55 AM 7/17/2003 -0700, Greg House wrote: >Actually, as near as I can tell, there never WAS a $199 blowout...except >at one >particular local GuitarCenter store. Not a generalized thing. When I read >about >that price, I searched all the online vendors I could find and nobody had 'em >below $299. Well, it may have been localized to GC, but it was more than just a single local store. When I called around the Chicagoland area, the employees at the other stores knew exactly what I was talking about, but were already sold out. I finally found the last Echo Pro in their Northern Suburbs location (Highland Park), and snarfed it up for $199. At that time, there were still a couple of Filter Pros and Mod Pros around the area going for that price as well. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 14:44:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HIfID28357; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:41:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:41:12 -0700 Subject: Ideas@line6.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <66EDDB32-B884-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <3D2CB4EC-B886-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not launch a massive email campaign asking Line6 for what we want? I just sent an email to them (and cc'd they're sales dept) asking for them to continue the Delay pro but to fix the MIDI sync bug, add MIDI sync to the looper while giving it a feedback control. Couldn't hurt, could it? If everyone on the list sent an email they might respond. Ideas@line6.com Sales@line6.com Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 11:28 AM, mark wrote: > I imagine pretty big, though I don't think they did much with their > "studio" modeler line. They're main business seems to be guitar amps. > I could be wrong. I don't know about the others, but the Delay Pro > seemed seriously flawed. Bad MIDI sync for delays. No MIDI sync for > loops. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 14:51:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HImCd28913; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:48:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:48:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.25ea1797.2c484963@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:48:03 EDT Subject: Re: gig sharing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11a.25ea1797.2c484963_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11a.25ea1797.2c484963_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/17/03 1:17:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmazzarella@erols.com writes: > Would anybody on the list be interested in doing some > gig sharing? great idea john.....i'll let you know about any action here in pittsburgh.....michael --part1_11a.25ea1797.2c484963_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/17/0= 3 1:17:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmazzarella@erols.com writes:


Would anybody on the list be in= terested in doing some
gig sharing? 


great idea john.....i'll let you know about any action here in pittsburgh...= ..michael --part1_11a.25ea1797.2c484963_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 15:50:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HJn2o02426; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:49:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:49:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030717194856.18884.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Echo Pro & MidiBuddy Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030712053248.24730.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As discussed earlier, I'm setting up a looping rig for a vocalist, and on Rev. Doubt-Goat's advice have gone with the MidiBuddy to control it. I'm having a bit of difficulty getting the midi pedal to talk to the Echo Pro... Since I bought both units used, I want to make sure it's just me being a midiot and not something wrong with either unit. And yes, I've read the manuals... :-) I followed the Echo Pro's instructions to reset everything to the factory standard. The midibuddy's "manual" is less enlightening; I *think* the dip switches are set correctly, but I'm not positive. Could someone who's familiar with using the two units together just run me through a very brief setup for using the midibuddy to control program changes 101-109? Thanks, -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 16:57:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HKt5t11093; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: FS: Kyma Capybara 320 for sale Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:53:06 -0500 Message-ID: <013201c34ca5$6cd37ca0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is with great regret that i am selling my kyma system. It's the basic Capybara 320 system with pci card. Check it out here if you haven't heard of it. http://www.symbolicsound.com/brochure/index.html Buy Dennis Leas' excellent LCK (Looper Construction Kit) http://www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm and you will have the closest thing to an againinator this world has to offer. (i wouldn't feel right about including my copy of lck, since i got it in trade for beta testing it) I'm only selling because i'm in need of cash after a layoff... I'm giving the ld'ers first crack at this. They go for $3300 new, and they don't go up for sale used very often so if you are interested, respond offlist soon... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 17:25:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HLLco13904; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:21:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:21:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030717212132.44572.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:21:32 -0700 (PDT) From: erika li Subject: New CFC for Repeater help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1843599287-1058476892=:44269" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1843599287-1058476892=:44269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am trying to find a NEW compact flash card that will format in my Repeater. I have tried 3 new Simple Tech 128MB cards, and the new ones will not work. I have spoken to tech support at Simple Tech, and they tell me that the "controller chip" on the cards continually change, so it is likely the new cards cannot be read by the older Repeater. Any idea where I can find a card that will work? Please give details on the exact type of card, specs if you have them, etc. so I get the correct one. thanks so much! erika --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-1843599287-1058476892=:44269 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I am trying to find a NEW compact flash card that will format in my Repeater.  I have tried 3 new Simple Tech 128MB cards, and the new ones will not work.   I have spoken to tech support at Simple Tech, and they tell me that the "controller chip" on the cards continually change, so it is likely the new cards cannot be read by the older Repeater.
 
Any idea where I can find a card that will work?  Please give details on the exact type of card, specs if you have them, etc. so I get the correct one. 
 
thanks so much!
erika

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SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --0-1843599287-1058476892=:44269-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 17:43:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HLf7915596; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:41:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:41:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0b0001c34cac$faa24410$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:47:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I've got a Repeater now and am trying to sync it to a drum machine. I select MIDI as the sync source, and the tempo seems to lock fairly well from the drum machine, but when I record the audio of the pattern from the drum machine, the playback sounds wierd and contorted. Not DISTORTED so much, but just out of whack, not like the actual patter sounds. I'm not sure what's going on with this. Anyone experience this? Any ideas? Thanks, Paul Paul Sanders Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 18:03:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HM1Kf17568; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:01:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:01:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: GelRest@aol.com Message-ID: <192.1d65ce5a.2c4876a9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:01:13 EDT Subject: FCB1010 - Can it control both my EDP and my efx unit? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.1d65ce5a.2c4876a9_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10629 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.1d65ce5a.2c4876a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi loopers, First, a BIG Thanks to everyone on this list, for making it one of the most intreresting and consistently informative of any forum I've ever been a part of. My only complaint is that, at about 30 - 40 posts PER DAY, it's hard to keep up with it! But I'm trying . . Anyway, I'm thinking aboput getting the FCB1010 to control my EDP. Does anyone know if I can set up a bank on the 1010 to also control my digitech efx unit? I seem to recall from a previous post that using the 1010 to control multiple units is unreliable because of the way the unit is designed. Most of the parameters of the digitech (Studio 400) respond only to midi cc's. My plan is to (hopefully) assign the tap tempo function to one of the pedals on the 1010, and use another pedal/switch for general program switching ( i.e. from delay to chorus). Thanks for any help. Thanks SteveK --part1_192.1d65ce5a.2c4876a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers,

First, a BIG Thanks to everyone on this list, for making it one of the most=20= intreresting and consistently informative of any forum I've ever been a part= of.  My only complaint is that, at about 30 - 40 posts PER DAY, it's h= ard to keep up with it!  But I'm trying . .

Anyway, I'm thinking aboput getting the FCB1010 to control my EDP. &nbs= p; Does anyone know if I can set up a bank on the 1010 to also control my di= gitech efx unit?  I seem to recall from a previous post that using the=20= 1010 to control multiple units is unreliable because of the way the unit is=20= designed.

Most of the parameters of the  digitech (Studio 400)  respond onl= y to midi cc's.   My plan is to (hopefully) assign the tap tempo f= unction to one of the pedals on the 1010, and use another pedal/switch for g= eneral program switching ( i.e. from delay to chorus). 
Thanks for any help.

Thanks
SteveK --part1_192.1d65ce5a.2c4876a9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 18:13:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HMC5u18237; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:12:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:11:55 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004401c34cb0$6f16dbf0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <0b0001c34cac$faa24410$0600a8c0@money2> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6HMC5k18213 Resent-Message-ID: <0dZyNB.A.0cE.18xF_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've got a Repeater now and am trying to sync it to a drum machine. > > I select MIDI as the sync source, and the tempo seems to lock > fairly well from the drum machine, but when I record the > audio of the pattern from the drum machine, the playback > sounds wierd and contorted. Not DISTORTED so much, but just > out of whack, not like the actual patter sounds. > > I'm not sure what's going on with this. Anyone experience > this? Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Paul Hi Paul, It's always a bit wobbly the first time you record a loop. I guess it simply cannot calculate tempo, keeping up sync and record at the same time. The workaround is to define the looplength first by recording silence. Then you can go back into recording mode and record audio without that wobbling, flutter effect ;-). Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 2-10 Aug, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 18:28:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6HMMp419247; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:22:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:22:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: FCB1010 - Can it control both my EDP and my efx unit? Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:22:41 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004801c34cb1$f01339a0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C34CC2.B39C09A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <192.1d65ce5a.2c4876a9@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C34CC2.B39C09A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Steve,=20 =20 You can set the EDP to be controlled by note numbers, which can be sent from the FCB1010. Then you have all midi cc msg for your Studio 400, also sent from the FCB1010. Then I don't think you will run into any problems. =20 I'm using a FCB1010 here to control an EDP by note numbers, a Repeater by pr change and cc and finally a filter bank by only cc (on the same midi channel as the EDP note numbers, only to use the foot buttons more efficiently). Sometimes the FCB sends out cc although I have programmed it to only send note note on msg but I have signed the "faulty foot pads" to filters that doesn't damage the music by being turned back or on randomly in the background. But you should stay perfectly clear from this problem by running your two devices on different midi channels. Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 2-10 Aug, Ume=E5, Noliam=E4ssan=20 -----Original Message----- From: GelRest@aol.com [mailto:GelRest@aol.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 - Can it control both my EDP and my efx unit? Hi loopers, First, a BIG Thanks to everyone on this list, for making it one of the most intreresting and consistently informative of any forum I've ever been a part of. My only complaint is that, at about 30 - 40 posts PER DAY, it's hard to keep up with it! But I'm trying . .=20 Anyway, I'm thinking aboput getting the FCB1010 to control my EDP. Does anyone know if I can set up a bank on the 1010 to also control my digitech efx unit? I seem to recall from a previous post that using the 1010 to control multiple units is unreliable because of the way the unit is designed. Most of the parameters of the digitech (Studio 400) respond only to midi cc's. My plan is to (hopefully) assign the tap tempo function to one of the pedals on the 1010, and use another pedal/switch for general program switching ( i.e. from delay to chorus). =20 Thanks for any help. Thanks SteveK=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C34CC2.B39C09A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
Hi=20 Steve,
 
You=20 can set the EDP to be controlled by note numbers, which can be sent from = the=20 FCB1010. Then you have all midi cc msg for your Studio 400, also sent = from the=20 FCB1010. Then I don't think you will run into any = problems.
 
I'm=20 using a FCB1010 here to control an EDP by note numbers, a Repeater by pr = change=20 and cc and finally a filter bank by only cc (on the same midi channel as = the EDP=20 note numbers, only to use the foot buttons more efficiently). Sometimes = the FCB=20 sends out cc although I have programmed it to only send note note on msg = but I=20 have signed the "faulty foot pads" to filters that doesn't damage the = music by=20 being turned back or on randomly in the background. But you should stay=20 perfectly clear from this problem by running your two devices on = different midi=20 channels.

Best wishes

Per Boysen
--->=20 www.boysen.se
---> www.looproom.com
Next gig:
28 July, = Stockholm=20 Jazz Festival
2-10 Aug, Ume=E5, Noliam=E4ssan

-----Original Message-----
From: GelRest@aol.com=20 [mailto:GelRest@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:01=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 FCB1010 - Can it control both my EDP and my efx=20 unit?

Hi loopers,

First, a BIG Thanks = to everyone=20 on this list, for making it one of the most intreresting and = consistently=20 informative of any forum I've ever been a part of.  My only = complaint is=20 that, at about 30 - 40 posts PER DAY, it's hard to keep up with = it!  But=20 I'm trying . .

Anyway, I'm thinking aboput getting the FCB1010 = to=20 control my EDP.   Does anyone know if I can set up a bank on = the=20 1010 to also control my digitech efx unit?  I seem to recall from = a=20 previous post that using the 1010 to control multiple units is = unreliable=20 because of the way the unit is designed.

Most of the parameters = of=20 the  digitech (Studio 400)  respond only to midi = cc's.  =20 My plan is to (hopefully) assign the tap tempo function to one of the = pedals=20 on the 1010, and use another pedal/switch for general program = switching ( i.e.=20 from delay to chorus). 
Thanks for any=20 help.

Thanks
SteveK = ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C34CC2.B39C09A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 20:43:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6I0fxZ00645; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:41:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004401c34cb0$6f16dbf0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> Message-Id: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6I0fwk00495 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What? Maybe something is wrong with your Repeater Per, because mine works perfectly when recording a loop. It will try and stretch or shrink your loop to make it fit your bpm, but if your pretty close you shouldn't hear much difference. What could be happening is that you're sending the Repeater a pitch change message an oct down. Try changing the Repeater's midi channel. Clock is on all channels so it won't matter. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 03:11 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> I've got a Repeater now and am trying to sync it to a drum machine. >> >> I select MIDI as the sync source, and the tempo seems to lock >> fairly well from the drum machine, but when I record the >> audio of the pattern from the drum machine, the playback >> sounds wierd and contorted. Not DISTORTED so much, but just >> out of whack, not like the actual patter sounds. >> >> I'm not sure what's going on with this. Anyone experience >> this? Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Paul > > > Hi Paul, > > It's always a bit wobbly the first time you record a loop. I guess it > simply cannot calculate tempo, keeping up sync and record at the same > time. The workaround is to define the looplength first by recording > silence. Then you can go back into recording mode and record audio > without that wobbling, flutter effect ;-). > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ---> www.boysen.se > ---> www.looproom.com > Next gig: > 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival > 2-10 Aug, Umeå, Noliamässan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 17 21:21:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6I1Kma05135; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:20:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:20:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018301c34cca$960c5040$8d3c5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <3F16DCEB.CCA5A918@erols.com> Subject: Re: gig sharing Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:19:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mazzarella" To: > I gig about 4 to 5 times a month. 90 percent of the time it is a > solo loop show. Being a singer/songwriter, I've done many multiple > singer/songwriter shows over the past few years. I've also done some > minor touring by sharing shows with other songwriters that I've met. > I'm in New Jersey and I've done some shows in Massachusetts and > Philadelphia. > I'd like to do shows all over the country. I know that many of you > have regular gigs in your area. I have a few good monthly gigs here in > north New Jersey. Would anybody on the list be interested in doing some > gig sharing? Not neccessarliy a full blown loop festival, more like > come to New Jersey and share a show with me, and I come to your state > and I share a show with you. > I'm not looking to make money doing this. I just want the > opportunity to share my music with more people. > If you are interested, let me know. Perhaps as a list we can > create a network of gig sharing all over the place. Hi John, Please keep me informed of the gigs you play if I can get there from the Allentown, PA area. I'd like to hear what you do. You might also want to check out http://electro-music.com for other like-minded electronic musicians. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 01:56:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6I5seD26803; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:54:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:54:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030715142632.88111.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 EDPs does not really get you stereo. It gets you close, but it's reportedly unreliable with threshold recording (I've got to go play with this and see just how unreliable) and you need to play games to get the feedback pedal to work right. You get two independent loopers that work as a stereo pair except for some functions. On the other hand, the work to fix the "broken" functions is probably manageable if you know you've got two of them in the same box, but just how manageable I leave to the experts on the EDP hardware. Now, whether you fix the issues or not, one savings in doing a dedicated dual EDP is that it potentially only needs one set of controls and one set of MIDI plugs. So, the net hardware cost is marginally lower. But that's not where the expense probably lies so it's at best marginal and you have to weigh that against the engineering costs to design the thing in the first place. Quite frankly, if I were Gibson and inclined to play games with sheet metal design, I'd build a floor unit that combined the footswitch with the EDP guts. That would just work and would be fairly directly marketable to the crowd that doesn't want to deal with rack equipment. I contemplate converting one of my units on occasion except that I know nothing about sheet metal. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 02:09:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6I68J028320; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c34cf2$ebad36e0$7900a8c0@BARNEY> From: "Gene Ehrbar" To: References: Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:07:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting. This article sheds a little light on the environment behind the engineering curtain at Gibson -- it looks like the techs in this particular (admittedly advanced) area have some trouble getting the kind of material support needed for high-tech development (in a company apparently more used to working with wood than silicon): http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20030124S0035 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! > > Quite frankly, if I were Gibson and inclined to play games with sheet metal > design, I'd build a floor unit that combined the footswitch with the EDP > guts. That would just work and would be fairly directly marketable to the > crowd that doesn't want to deal with rack equipment. I contemplate > converting one of my units on occasion except that I know nothing about > sheet metal. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 03:26:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6I7PNf32500; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 03:25:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 03:25:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <18a.1d0c7b1d.2c48fad6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 03:25:10 EDT Subject: re: mpx100)... Delays, synced & unsynced To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > but note: the 5.5sec of delay are not at 99% or infinite. i think they > are fixed at like 30% (thought i read that somewhere). > at times. but that is my main gripe w/ the mpx100, wish the > long mono delay that goes to 5.5sec, had the "adjust" knob to adjust > feedback. that would be a great feature. I think it's meant to be 0% feedback! (there's a v. small amount though) > > in the special fxs section, there is a "loop" function, which i think > only loops 1 sec. about 2.5 secs if theres incoming MIDI clock then there's a degradation of sound on the infinite repeat (no, it doesn't sync) > so if you're looking for a budget efx box the > mpx 100 is great(!), Lexicon usually say that their cheaper stuff has the same sounds, just less tweakability. ...but the sound quality isn't going to be the same on a budget unit. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 04:45:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6I8iBl04504; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:44:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:44:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:44:00 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C34D19.7F8C2D00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000006B7DDDF0E0E91147AB36B3B294E9DCF844D75000 Resent-Message-ID: <8iOyM.A.PGB.bN7F_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C34D19.7F8C2D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]=20 > What? Maybe something is wrong with your Repeater Per, because mine=20 > works perfectly when recording a loop. =20 Hi Mark, I'm sorry I was a bit unclear in my post. The flutter in recorded = Repeater loop only appears the very first time I record a loop into it when midi slaved. So for the first track I usually record a loop length of = silence. If I'm not planning to record audio that starts out with silence, like some = dub bass lines. Then it's fine. Another scenario I tried that the Repeater can't handle at all is = starting out a recording from scratch in both EDP (master) and Repeater (slave). = I tried this because it would be cool to kick them of right away with the = same loop so I programmed a foot button to send record command to both = loopers. This would of course work when they are already running, but the problem = was that the Repeater starts recording in one tempo and then when the = recording stops and closes the loop the EDP master is sending a new tempo and I = guess this messes with the repeater's automatic rounding or something. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D28.11A73FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I select MIDI as the sync source, and the tempo seems to lock fairly well from the drum machine, but when I record the audio of the pattern from the drum machine, the playback sounds wierd and contorted. Not DISTORTED so much, but just out of whack, not like the actual patter sounds. I'm not sure what's going on with this. Anyone experience this? Any ideas?<< paul- have you noticed if the tempo changes when the repeater drops out of record into playback? I get this a lot, and have mentioned it, and thought I was on my own with it..... I mostly run my repeaters with external clock from a korg electribe box or my notron as master. the repeater will record a couple of bars of something and then drop into playback with this strange audio quality..... on closer examination, the repeater seems to be trying, despite the external clock, to figure out the "native" tempo of the incoming audio for itself. and it gets it wrong- in my case, it usually doubles it. so what I hear is (say) a loop that the repeater thinks is 180bpm but being played at 90bpm which is how fast the clock is running that's going up it's rear. I suspect it's something to do with the exact moment you drop it out of record, but I'll have to experiment with putting PC's into a sequencer (to replace my haphazard button pushes) and see if that improves matters. watch this space. duncan/r.m.i *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>I select MIDI as the sync source, and the tempo s= eems to lock fairly well
from the drum machine, but when I record the audio of th= e pattern from the
drum machine, the playback sounds wierd and contorted. N= ot DISTORTED so
much, but just out of whack, not like the actual patter = sounds.

I'm not sure what's going on with this. Anyone experience= this? Any ideas?<<

paul- have you noticed if the tempo changes when the repe= ater drops out of record into playback? I get this a lot, and have mentione= d it, and thought I was on my own with it..... I mostly run my repeaters wi= th external clock from a korg electribe box or my notron as master. the rep= eater will record a couple of bars of something and then drop into playback= with this strange audio quality.....

on closer examination, the repeater seems to be trying, d= espite the external clock, to figure out the "native" tempo of th= e incoming audio for itself.

and it gets it wrong- in my case, it usually doubles it. = so what I hear is (say) a loop that the repeater thinks is 180bpm but being= played at 90bpm which is how fast the clock is running that's going up it'= s rear. I suspect it's something to do with the exact moment you drop it ou= t of record, but I'll have to experiment with putting PC's into a sequencer= (to replace my haphazard button pushes) and see if that improves matters. = watch this space.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D28.11A73FF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 09:06:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ID4iu18458; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:04:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:04:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ipbr15448@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:09:46 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Ian Popperwell Subject: LD uniform! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2003 13:04:42.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[270F3140:01C34D2D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Great T shirt. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:05:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IE1cX23395; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:01:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c34d35$3cc9a800$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: i know it's not real time, but... Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:02:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i checked the threads and saw some mention of this back in march, but i just got done registering FL Studio 4.0 and this software simply kicks so much ass that i had to mention it again. it's the next generation of fruity loops, and the basic software is $49! man, oh man, what you get for 49 dollars is madness! the demo is free and has export to wave function, as well. i put this stuff in my office and i may never do a full day's work, again, somebody give me an amen! enthusiastically, lance chance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:15:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IEDbb24704; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:13:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:13:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0bd201c34d37$a15b96a0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB296@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:19:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BCF_01C34D16.1A0C0340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BCF_01C34D16.1A0C0340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater and sync from midi in ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: RE: Repeater and sync from midi in >>I select MIDI as the sync source, and the tempo seems to lock fairly = well=20 from the drum machine, but when I record the audio of the pattern from = the=20 drum machine, the playback sounds wierd and contorted. Not DISTORTED = so=20 much, but just out of whack, not like the actual patter sounds.=20 I'm not sure what's going on with this. Anyone experience this? Any = ideas?<<=20 paul- have you noticed if the tempo changes when the repeater drops = out of record into playback? I get this a lot,=20 -------- Yes, seems like it will bobble a little bit and they settle in to a = solid pace again.=20 --------- and have mentioned it, and thought I was on my own with it..... I = mostly run my repeaters with external clock from a korg electribe box or = my notron as master. the repeater will record a couple of bars of = something and then drop into playback with this strange audio = quality.....=20 on closer examination, the repeater seems to be trying, despite the = external clock, to figure out the "native" tempo of the incoming audio = for itself.=20 ---------------- That makes some sense. I found that Mark's suggestion of changing the = MIDI channel of the drum machien seemed to clear this up. Like it's = trying to do something with the rest of the MIDI data coming down = instead of just focusing on the clock. Maybe the Repeater just doesn't = have a filter for that stuff or something, and it's getting bogged down = trying to process what clock and what's not clock? At any rate, it's a = sophmoric development error and the dipshit that did the code for that = should be flogged. ----------------- and it gets it wrong- in my case, it usually doubles it. so what I = hear is (say) a loop that the repeater thinks is=20 --------------- In my situation, the Repeater plays at roughly the same tempo, but the = *sound* is about half the pitch or something. Is this another way of = saying what you just said? --------------- 180bpm but being played at 90bpm which is how fast the clock is = running that's going up it's rear. I suspect it's something to do with = the exact moment you drop it out of record, but I'll have to experiment = with putting PC's into a sequencer (to replace my haphazard button = pushes) and see if that improves matters. watch this space. I guess this is just the hazzard of using discontinued gear from = defunct companies! I guess the real solution is just to use the clock from the drum = machine, but don't try to record the audio, just send the output to the = mixer, record the other stuff into the looper. Paul duncan/r.m.i=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 = 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: Repeater and sync = from midi=20 in

>>I select MIDI as the sync source, and the = tempo seems=20 to lock fairly well
from the drum machine, = but when I=20 record the audio of the pattern from the
drum machine,=20 the playback sounds wierd and contorted. Not DISTORTED so =
much, but just out of whack, not like the actual patter = sounds.=20

I'm not sure what's going on with this. Anyone = experience=20 this? Any ideas?<<

paul- have you noticed if the tempo changes when the = repeater=20 drops out of record into playback? I get this a lot,

 

--------

Yes, seems like it will bobble a little bit and they = settle in=20 to a solid pace again.

---------

and have mentioned it, and thought I was on my own = with=20 it..... I mostly run my repeaters with external clock from a korg = electribe=20 box or my notron as master. the repeater will record a couple of bars = of=20 something and then drop into playback with this strange audio = quality.....=20

on closer examination, the repeater seems to be = trying,=20 despite the external clock, to figure out the "native" tempo of the = incoming=20 audio for itself.

----------------

That makes some sense. I found that = Mark's=20 suggestion of changing the MIDI channel of the drum machien seemed to = clear=20 this up. Like it's trying to do something with the rest of the MIDI = data=20 coming down instead of just focusing on the clock. Maybe the Repeater = just=20 doesn't have a filter for that stuff or something, and it's getting = bogged=20 down trying to process what clock and what's not clock? At any rate, = it's a=20 sophmoric development error and the dipshit that did the code for that = should=20 be flogged.

-----------------

and it gets it wrong- in my case, it usually doubles = it. so=20 what I hear is (say) a loop that the repeater thinks is

---------------

In my situation, the Repeater plays at roughly the = same tempo,=20 but the *sound* is about half the pitch or something. Is this another = way of=20 saying what you just said?

---------------

180bpm but being played at 90bpm which is how fast = the clock=20 is running that's going up it's rear. I suspect it's something to do = with the=20 exact moment you drop it out of record, but I'll have to experiment = with=20 putting PC's into a sequencer (to replace my haphazard button pushes) = and see=20 if that improves matters. watch this space.

 

I guess this is just the hazzard of using = discontinued gear=20 from defunct companies!

 

I guess the real solution is just to use the clock = from the=20 drum machine, but don't try to record the audio, just send the output = to the=20 mixer, record the other stuff into the looper.

 

Paul

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 ------=_NextPart_000_0BCF_01C34D16.1A0C0340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:20:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IEGBX25261; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:22:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > What? Maybe something is wrong with your Repeater Per, because mine > works perfectly when recording a loop. It will try and stretch or > shrink your loop to make it fit your bpm, but if your pretty close you > shouldn't hear much difference. > > What could be happening is that you're sending the Repeater a pitch > change message an oct down. Try changing the Repeater's midi channel. > Clock is on all channels so it won't matter. Hi Mark. I did this and it seemed to work. Good call. I don't think the drum machine is sending a pitch change, but I wouldn't be surprised if the repeater isn't *intepreting* something as a pitch change! By the way, this ONLY happens with the recorded audio, it always sounds fine in the passed through audio, which I guess makes sense, the pitch change would only occur on the recorded stuff. I guess I could change the pitch back and see if it sounds normal to test that theory. Paul > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 03:11 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > >> I've got a Repeater now and am trying to sync it to a drum machine. > >> > >> I select MIDI as the sync source, and the tempo seems to lock > >> fairly well from the drum machine, but when I record the > >> audio of the pattern from the drum machine, the playback > >> sounds wierd and contorted. Not DISTORTED so much, but just > >> out of whack, not like the actual patter sounds. > >> > >> I'm not sure what's going on with this. Anyone experience > >> this? Any ideas? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Paul > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > It's always a bit wobbly the first time you record a loop. I guess it > > simply cannot calculate tempo, keeping up sync and record at the same > > time. The workaround is to define the looplength first by recording > > silence. Then you can go back into recording mode and record audio > > without that wobbling, flutter effect ;-). > > > > Best wishes > > > > Per Boysen > > ---> www.boysen.se > > ---> www.looproom.com > > Next gig: > > 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival > > 2-10 Aug, Umeå, Noliamässan > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IELsX26198; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:21:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:21:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0bde01c34d38$c9edad50$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: Repeater quantize? Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:27:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-PtIz.A.NZG.BKAG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Another thing I'm wondering about the Repeater that doesnt' seem to be in the manual. Does it not quantize to the bar when syncing to external midi clock (obviously with sync button set to "MIDI")? By this I mean, if I'm recording a new loop that is to be 8 beats (2 bars), and I stop recording slightly before the end of the 8th beat, will it not continue to the end of the 8th beat before going out of record? This seems essential to me to make sure I get tight loops playing parts over a drum machine pattern, not having to rely on having perfect timing. Do I recall reading the EDP does this? I can't believe the Repeater wouldn't. Have I missed something? Thanks, Paul Paul Sanders Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:31:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IETYw27198; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:29:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:29:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307181415.h6IEFXW24918@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <3DE37D0C-B92C-11D7-8BC6-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Getting a dual-EDP with calibrated threshhold gates on the stereo input sounds like a non-trivial problem, without driving up the cost. "Really close" wouldn't cut it after a few loop cycles anyway. I think they'd have to be driven off of the same gate, so there'd be a good chance that at least one side would have it's starting audio clipped, especially if you were trying to start with something soft. Problem with putting the EDP on the floor is that it works best after all your tone shaping, so if you consider your amp part of this, you have to run cables to the amp, into the floor-mounted EDP and back to the power amp. Also, most looping musicians find that floor space is at a premium, and the combined footswitch/brain box would take up a bunch of room, and there's a lot of people who want to use a MIDI controller and don't want to have to pay for a footswitch they'll never use and don't want to sacrifice floor space for it either. TravisH On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 07:15 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Now, whether you fix the issues or not, one savings in doing a > dedicated > dual EDP is that it potentially only needs one set of controls and one > set > of MIDI plugs. So, the net hardware cost is marginally lower. But > that's not > where the expense probably lies so it's at best marginal and you have > to > weigh that against the engineering costs to design the thing in the > first > place. > > Quite frankly, if I were Gibson and inclined to play games with sheet > metal > design, I'd build a floor unit that combined the footswitch with the > EDP > guts. That would just work and would be fairly directly marketable to > the > crowd that doesn't want to deal with rack equipment. I contemplate > converting one of my units on occasion except that I know nothing about > sheet metal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:32:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IESCb27013; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c34d38$87642360$95e35cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #330 for July 17, 2003 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:25:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C34D16.F375AAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C34D16.F375AAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #330 July 17, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on sonic explorer Robert = Rich, who has helped to define modern electronic music styles while defying = categori- zation. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Temple of the Invisible" on = the Soundscape label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Pandemonium: Ville Ouverte" by = Jean-Baptiste Barriere on the ATEM label. Robert Rich - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Jean-Baptiste Barriere Dechirure Pandemonium (ATEM) Volt Part Two The Far Canal (Groove) dbkaos Mirror 2 Level 4 Art of Sacifice (DiN) Can Atilla Whiteout Live (Groove) Satsuma Nightmare Plugged Plugged (none) Jeffrey Koepper Spiraling Etherea (Air Space) 12:00 am Robert Rich Etranon Temple of the Invisible (Soundscape) Robert Rich Antalieh TotI (Soundscape) Robert Rich Pa Tanak TotI (Soundscape) Robert Rich Jibral TotI (Soundscape) Robert Rich Fasanina TotI (Soundscape) Robert Rich Tulcrhu TotI (Soundscape) Robert Rich Lan Tiku TotI (Soundscape) Robert Rich Otranon TotI (Soundscape) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Rich. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sunyata" by Robert Rich on the Hypnos = label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy = Carlos on CBS Masterworks records. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C34D16.F375AAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #330       =20             July 17, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on sonic = explorer=20 Robert Rich,
who has helped to define modern electronic music styles = while=20 defying categori-
zation.  The Featured CD at Midnight was = "Temple of=20 the Invisible" on the
Soundscape label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Pandemonium: Ville Ouverte" by=20 Jean-Baptiste
Barriere on the ATEM label.
 
Robert Rich - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jul
=
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Jean-Baptiste Barriere =20 Dechirure          &nbs= p;    =20 Pandemonium=20 (ATEM)
Volt          = ;         =20 Part=20 Two           &nbs= p;    =20 The Far Canal=20 (Groove)
dbkaos         &= nbsp;       =20 Mirror 2 Level 4         Art of = Sacifice=20 (DiN)
Can=20 Atilla           &= nbsp; =20 Whiteout           = ;     =20 Live (Groove)
Satsuma Nightmare      =20 Plugged           =       =20 Plugged (none)
Jeffrey=20 Koepper        =20 Spiraling          &nbs= p;    =20 Etherea (Air Space)
 
12:00 am
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Etranon           =       =20 Temple of the=20 Invisible
          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 (Soundscape)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Antalieh           = ;     =20 TotI (Soundscape)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp; Pa=20 Tanak           &n= bsp;    =20 TotI (Soundscape)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Jibral           &= nbsp;      =20 TotI (Soundscape)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Fasanina           = ;     =20 TotI (Soundscape)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Tulcrhu           =       =20 TotI (Soundscape)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp; Lan=20 Tiku           &nb= sp;    =20 TotI (Soundscape)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Otranon           =       =20 TotI (Soundscape)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long = focus on=20 Robert Rich.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sunyata" by = Robert=20 Rich on the Hypnos label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy = Carlos=20 on
CBS Masterworks records.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C34D16.F375AAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:34:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IEUh427299; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:30:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:30:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c34d39$2815d560$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000b01c34d35$3cc9a800$69894682@lance> Subject: Re: i know it's not real time, but... Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:30:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using the producer version of FLStudio for a while now, and it rocks - really really cool interface, great functions. It would only need a few tweaks on the audio editor to make it compete with the big boys... Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Chance" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: i know it's not real time, but... > i checked the threads and saw some mention of this back in march, but i just > got done registering FL Studio 4.0 and this software simply kicks so much > ass that i had to mention it again. it's the next generation of fruity > loops, and the basic software is $49! man, oh man, what you get for 49 > dollars is madness! the demo is free and has export to wave function, as > well. i put this stuff in my office and i may never do a full day's work, > again, somebody give me an amen! > > enthusiastically, > lance chance > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:38:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IEZFG28049; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:35:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:35:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:31:41 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in In-reply-to: <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Sanders wrote: >I did this and it seemed to work. Good call. I don't think the drum >machine is sending a pitch change, but I wouldn't be surprised if the >repeater isn't *intepreting* something as a pitch change! > The repeater will interpret any midi notes received on it's channel to be pitch messages. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:48:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IEkxi29197; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:46:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:46:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:46:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater quantize? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0bde01c34d38$c9edad50$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It doesn't have that. However, it does have what they call "Loop point assist" but what that seems to do is if you're a little early or late it will shrink or stretch your whole loop so it fits. If you're sloppy at your in and out point, you might want to start with a blank loop and than start adding to it. This way it will sound perfect. I do this sometimes when I when I want to start playing and always be in record, but I've gotten good with my loop points with practice. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 07:27 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > Hi all, > > Another thing I'm wondering about the Repeater that doesnt' seem to be > in > the manual. > > Does it not quantize to the bar when syncing to external midi clock > (obviously with sync button set to "MIDI")? > > By this I mean, if I'm recording a new loop that is to be 8 beats (2 > bars), > and I stop recording slightly before the end of the 8th beat, will it > not > continue to the end of the 8th beat before going out of record? > > This seems essential to me to make sure I get tight loops playing > parts over > a drum machine pattern, not having to rely on having perfect timing. > > Do I recall reading the EDP does this? I can't believe the Repeater > wouldn't. Have I missed something? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > Paul Sanders > Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 10:59:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IEui630396; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:56:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:56:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:56:41 -0700 Subject: Re: mpx100)... Delays, synced & unsynced Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <18a.1d0c7b1d.2c48fad6@aol.com> Message-Id: <0A2FA310-B930-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3V3mEB.A.zaH.rqAG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 12:25 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > Lexicon usually say that their cheaper stuff has the same sounds, > just less tweakability. ...but the sound quality isn't going to be the > same on a budget unit. I was only hoping for a reverb that was at least as good as the one that came with the PlanetEarth. What I got seems a fair amount better with some extra bells and whistles, so I'm pretty happy about the MPX110 at this point. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 11:02:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IExUp30733; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:59:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6DC7A7FA-B930-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 01:44 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm sorry I was a bit unclear in my post. The flutter in recorded > Repeater loop only appears the very first time I record a loop into it > when midi slaved. So for the first track I usually record a loop > length of silence. If I'm not planning to record audio that starts out > with silence, like some dub bass lines. Then it's fine. Hmmm, I wonder if it has something to do with your MIDI clock. I don't have that problem and my Repeater is almost always synced to a MIDI clock. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 11:08:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IF2Hr30989; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:02:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: >> What could be happening is that you're sending the Repeater a pitch >> change message an oct down. Try changing the Repeater's midi >> channel. Clock is on all channels so it won't matter. > > Hi Mark. I did this and it seemed to work. Good call. I don't think > the drum machine is sending a pitch change, but I wouldn't be > surprised if the repeater isn't *intepreting* something as a pitch > change! Not sending pitch change, but what I meant to say is MIDI note numbers which I bet your drum machine is sending and the Repeater interprets for pitch shifting. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 11:08:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IF62q31341; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:06:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:06:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:05:51 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003001c34d3e$13d84ec0$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6DC7A7FA-B930-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6IF61k31317 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 01:44 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > I'm sorry I was a bit unclear in my post. The flutter in recorded > > Repeater loop only appears the very first time I record a > loop into it > > when midi slaved. So for the first track I usually record a loop > > length of silence. If I'm not planning to record audio that > starts out > > with silence, like some dub bass lines. Then it's fine. > > Hmmm, I wonder if it has something to do with your MIDI > clock. I don't > have that problem and my Repeater is almost always synced to a MIDI > clock. > > Mark Sottilaro Thanks for the clear input, Mark. I guess it's my Repeater then. But anyway, it's a great machine and I love it the way I'm using it. I would love a second EDP as well though, but that's second priority... Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 2-10 Aug, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 11:10:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IF9Jj31867; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:09:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:09:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c34d3e$b2032ed0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <000b01c34d35$3cc9a800$69894682@lance> <005b01c34d39$2815d560$e0154ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: i know it's not real time, but... Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:10:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this whole software thing is sort of new to me. i was a real hardware purist for a long time, except for my recording and wave editing environment. if fl studio is not pro (and from the price, i guess it isn't) what is and what does this product lack that the others possess. you mentioned something about tweeking the audio editor, steve. could you elaborate a little? does the sound produced in the soft synths grow in quality as you climb the price tree in this market? lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: i know it's not real time, but... > I've been using the producer version of FLStudio for a while now, and it > rocks - really really cool interface, great functions. It would only need a > few tweaks on the audio editor to make it compete with the big boys... > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lance Chance" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 3:02 PM > Subject: i know it's not real time, but... > > > > i checked the threads and saw some mention of this back in march, but i > just > > got done registering FL Studio 4.0 and this software simply kicks so much > > ass that i had to mention it again. it's the next generation of fruity > > loops, and the basic software is $49! man, oh man, what you get for 49 > > dollars is madness! the demo is free and has export to wave function, as > > well. i put this stuff in my office and i may never do a full day's > work, > > again, somebody give me an amen! > > > > enthusiastically, > > lance chance > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 11:14:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IF6nr31483; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:06:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:06:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:06:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB296@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <72F216AA-B931-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 05:28 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: on closer examination, the repeater seems to be trying, despite the external clock, to figure out the "native" tempo of the incoming audio for itself. > > and it gets it wrong- in my case, it usually doubles it. so what I > hear is (say) a loop that the repeater thinks is 180bpm but being > played at 90bpm which is how fast the clock is running that's going up > it's rear. I suspect it's something to do with the exact moment you > drop it out of record, but I'll have to experiment with putting PC's > into a sequencer (to replace my haphazard button pushes) and see if > that improves matters. watch this space. I've had that happen. It's bad MIDI clock. My Roland MC-307 would do this if it were overtaxed. I also would get it when there were shaky MIDI cables. I've had this happen at gigs when using a EDP as a clock due to the way it figures out BPM. Bye the way, the Repeater's clock is horrible. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 11:19:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IFGQO00312; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:16:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:16:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:16:14 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003101c34d3f$8772c530$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <72F216AA-B931-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6IFGQk32756 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > on closer examination, the repeater seems to be trying, despite the > external clock, to figure out the "native" tempo of the > incoming audio > for itself. > > > > and it gets it wrong- in my case, it usually doubles it. so what I > > hear is (say) a loop that the repeater thinks is 180bpm but being > > played at 90bpm which is how fast the clock is running > that's going up > > it's rear. I suspect it's something to do with the exact moment you > > drop it out of record, but I'll have to experiment with > putting PC's > > into a sequencer (to replace my haphazard button pushes) and see if > > that improves matters. watch this space. Guys, that's a Repeater flaw I like! I use to record loops into EDP and Repeater at tempi 40-100 BPM with no problem. That's with EDP sending midi clock sync related to the setting 4 8ths/cycle. Then I sometimes change EDP program to 32 or 64 8ths/cycle and the resulting tempo is usually way to fast for the Repeater to catch. But the wonderful thing I have discovered is that the machine seems to divide the tempo so the music is still "in sync" from a rhythmic point of view. Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 2-10 Aug, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 11:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IFLLh00852; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:21:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:21:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DE37D0C-B92C-11D7-8BC6-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/18/03 7:29 AM, Travis at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote: > Getting a dual-EDP with calibrated threshhold gates on the stereo input > sounds like a non-trivial problem, without driving up the cost. > "Really close" wouldn't cut it after a few loop cycles anyway. I think > they'd have to be driven off of the same gate, so there'd be a good > chance that at least one side would have it's starting audio clipped, > especially if you were trying to start with something soft. What you want is both EDPs being in a position to send an "I'm starting now signal" with the first one to start being the one that starts recording for both of them. Come to think of it, shouldn't brother sync be able to do that? > Problem with putting the EDP on the floor is that it works best after > all your tone shaping, so if you consider your amp part of this, you > have to run cables to the amp, into the floor-mounted EDP and back to > the power amp. Also, most looping musicians find that floor space is > at a premium, and the combined footswitch/brain box would take up a > bunch of room, and there's a lot of people who want to use a MIDI > controller and don't want to have to pay for a footswitch they'll never > use and don't want to sacrifice floor space for it either. The floor unit isn't going to work for everyone. But having to carry around a rack has its own complexities. My guitar amp is a DG-Stomp so it's on the floor already. Andre has almost no extra equipment and I could see this simplifying a setup like his though I think he's using MIDI to the exclusion of the footcontroller so he isn't a great example. My understanding was that the EDP+ was being packaged with the footcontroller which suggests that most people are expected to use that rather than MIDI or to use MIDI in addition to the footcontroller. It's definitely not a replacement. My point was that if I were Gibson playing with EDP form factors, I'd probably play with a floor unit before trying to build a dual unit. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 12:34:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IGVZB07203; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:31:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1058545887!685490 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB29F@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PEATER & sync/quantising Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:29:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34D49.B59CA840" Resent-Message-ID: <_yTW0.A.WwB.nDCG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D49.B59CA840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>By this I mean, if I'm recording a new loop that is to be 8 beats (2 bars), and I stop recording slightly before the end of the 8th beat, will it not continue to the end of the 8th beat before going out of record?<< erm.... I think that's what's happening to me. this is why it's a good idea to record an empty loop first. somehow, that sucks, though- you have to decide how long you're going to loop for before you start, or you takes y'r chances. but definitely stop your drum machine sending note on-offs to it. change the bat-channel or supress the midi-note-transmit on y'r beatbox. it's annoying that you can't switch off that bit of it's midi reception and just have it receive clocks and PC's/CC's. still love the thing though but. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>By this I mean, if I'm recording a new loop that = is to be 8 beats (2 bars),
and I stop recording slightly before the end of the 8th = beat, will it not
continue to the end of the 8th beat before going out of = record?<<

erm.... I think that's what's happening to me. this is wh= y it's a good idea to record an empty loop first. somehow, that sucks, thou= gh- you have to decide how long you're going to loop for before you start, = or you takes y'r chances.

but definitely stop your drum machine sending note on-off= s to it. change the bat-channel or supress the midi-note-transmit on y'r be= atbox. it's annoying that you can't switch off that bit of it's midi recept= ion and just have it receive clocks and PC's/CC's. still love the thing tho= ugh but.

d.




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D49.B59CA840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 13:07:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IH1V210042; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:55:15 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c34d4d$5d3aa1d0$250710ac@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0b0001c34cac$faa24410$0600a8c0@money2> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [206.26.89.194] at Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:01:18 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like the time stretching on the repeater at work. Did you clear all loops on the repeater before setting the tempo on the drum machine? If not, the repeater may be time stretching the audio you are recording. Try choosing a blank loop on the repeater or erasing an entire loop, THEN set your tempo on the drum machine, THEN go about your business. Mike P.S. I love the repeater. However, I might have tried to dissuade you from buying it for one good reason: the power supplies have been known to have issues and, since Electrix is belly up, obtaining replacements will not be easy ... alas, I was on vaca when your whole buying a looper thread came up. I would also recommend joing the Yahoo Repeater group (just search for repeater on the Yahoo Groups site); lots of good info there, and I think I may have read that someone had found a workable replacement power supply *praying* > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:47 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater and sync from midi in > > > Hello all, > > I've got a Repeater now and am trying to sync it to a drum machine. > > I select MIDI as the sync source, and the tempo seems to lock > fairly well > from the drum machine, but when I record the audio of the > pattern from the > drum machine, the playback sounds wierd and contorted. Not > DISTORTED so > much, but just out of whack, not like the actual patter sounds. > > I'm not sure what's going on with this. Anyone experience > this? Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > Paul Sanders > Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 13:33:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IHShx13313; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:28:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:28:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c34d52$0327c1a0$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <003201c34cf2$ebad36e0$7900a8c0@BARNEY> Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:28:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this the ZIPI protocol with a new sexy label? Guitar geek questions following... Is anyone using the Z Vex Nano Amp? I've been using a Boss GT-5, GT-3 and DG Stomp, and frankly over the last few years devolved to using them as basic clean amp sims that I take the output of my pedal board and floor loopers into. I'm finding that the DG Stomp doesn't really like my pedalboard much. The Boss boxes seem to have a more realistic and capable speaker sim that keeps my pedals sounding more like they would through an amp. While I intend to keep probably the GT-5 as my simple rig, I'm ready to just use a "real" amp, possibly into a Palmer speaker simulator, and the Vex seems tiny enough to keep things streamlined. My rig would probably be: P-Board (dry stuff) > Nano Amp > Spk Sim > P-Board (wet stuff) > DL4 > Mixer w/EDP, Vortex and other DSP's > PA Do I need a load box like a Hot Plate to knock the Nano Amp signal down or does the Palmer have that conversion capability? Thanks in advance for your input! Miko Biffle | biffoz@arczip.com "Do you really want to know how it all works out?" http://www.powerhat.com/ics/sounds.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Gene Ehrbar" Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! > Interesting. This article sheds a little light on the environment behind the engineering curtain at Gibson ... http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20030124S0035 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 14:21:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IIHmk18555; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:17:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15f.236e1936.2c4993c1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:17:37 EDT Subject: [CT-Collective] site updated To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15f.236e1936.2c4993c1_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15f.236e1936.2c4993c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/03 12:33:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mhl21@columbia.edu writes: > Loopxchange is, as always, at this easy-to-remember URL: > > http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html thanks to morgan two more CT-PROJECTS are now ready at LOOPXCHANGE.....CT-AMBIENT 1+2 and CT-PERCUSSION.....please stop by for a listen.....CT-LOCATION is soon to follow.....a BIG THANKS to all involved.....michael --part1_15f.236e1936.2c4993c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/18/0= 3 12:33:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mhl21@columbia.edu writes:


Loopxchange is, as always, at t= his easy-to-remember URL:

http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html


thanks to morgan two more CT-PROJECTS are now ready at LOOPXCHANGE.....CT-AM= BIENT 1+2 and CT-PERCUSSION.....please stop by for a listen.....CT-LOCATION=20= is soon to follow.....a BIG THANKS to all involved.....michael --part1_15f.236e1936.2c4993c1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 14:52:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IInqq21352; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030718184942.96129.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: New Korg Midi Controller To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Mark S. was looking for something like this. http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM03/Content/Korg/PR/microKONTROL.html ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 15:46:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IJjO027665; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0c2601c34d65$fb7f3780$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:51:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1xWAB.A.JwG.T5EG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Waltzer" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > > Paul Sanders wrote: > > >I did this and it seemed to work. Good call. I don't think the drum > >machine is sending a pitch change, but I wouldn't be surprised if the > >repeater isn't *intepreting* something as a pitch change! > > > The repeater will interpret any midi notes received on it's channel to > be pitch messages. I wonder if there is a way around that the developers should have used?! Doesn't matter, but too many more of these quirks and I'm done with this repeater thing and will go with the EDP! Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 15:50:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IJn1O28143; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:49:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:49:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0c3201c34d66$7b9e9820$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:55:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > >> What could be happening is that you're sending the Repeater a pitch > >> change message an oct down. Try changing the Repeater's midi > >> channel. Clock is on all channels so it won't matter. > > > > Hi Mark. I did this and it seemed to work. Good call. I don't think > > the drum machine is sending a pitch change, but I wouldn't be > > surprised if the repeater isn't *intepreting* something as a pitch > > change! > > Not sending pitch change, but what I meant to say is MIDI note numbers > which I bet your drum machine is sending and the Repeater interprets > for pitch shifting. I THOUGHT I had turned them off. I was futzing with several of the midi settings last night. If I recall, that one cleared things up, but then doing the same thing later didn't, but then I've noticed some bugginess in the Roland DR-770's setup menus as well, so that could be part of it. The other annoying thing is that the DR770 doesn't send ANYTHING it generages if MIDI Thru is enabled, which sucks. Now I have to have a merge box in order to get the midi clock AND the foot controller commands to the repeater. Drag, but I guess that's typical. Paul > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 16:01:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IJx2328993; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:59:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:59:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0c4401c34d67$e2de1000$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB29F@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: PEATER & sync/quantising Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:05:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0C41_01C34D46.5B8E7CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0C41_01C34D46.5B8E7CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: PEATER & sync/quantising ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: RE: PEATER & sync/quantising >>By this I mean, if I'm recording a new loop that is to be 8 beats (2 = bars),=20 and I stop recording slightly before the end of the 8th beat, will it = not=20 continue to the end of the 8th beat before going out of record?<<=20 erm.... I think that's what's happening to me. this is why it's a good = idea to record an empty loop first. somehow, that sucks, though- you = have to decide how long you're going to loop for before you start, or = you takes y'r chances. but definitely stop your drum machine sending note on-offs to it. = change the bat-channel or supress the midi-note-transmit on y'r beatbox. = it's annoying that you can't switch off that bit of it's midi reception = and just have it receive clocks and PC's/CC's. still love the thing = though but. ------- Much to my astonishment, it appears you CAN'T switch off midi not = transmit on the Boss DR-770. The top of the line drum machine and you = don't have more control than that. Sad. I've worked around it though by = just changing the MIDI channel and letting the Repeater get the clock = only since that's global. d.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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but definitely stop your drum machine sending note = on-offs to=20 it. change the bat-channel or supress the midi-note-transmit on y'r = beatbox.=20 it's annoying that you can't switch off that bit of it's midi = reception and=20 just have it receive clocks and PC's/CC's. still love the thing though = but.

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 ------=_NextPart_000_0C41_01C34D46.5B8E7CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 16:02:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IK0nk29260; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:00:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:00:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:01:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in In-Reply-To: <0c2601c34d65$fb7f3780$0600a8c0@money2> References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:51 PM 7/18/2003, Paul Sanders wrote: > > The repeater will interpret any midi notes received on it's channel to > > be pitch messages. > >I wonder if there is a way around that the developers should have used?! no, they did it right. You should have your drum machine on a different midi channel from the repeater. clock is global, so it doesn't matter what channel the devices are on for sync to midi clock. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 16:29:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IKS4A31662; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:27:57 -0700 Subject: Re: New Korg Midi Controller Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030718184942.96129.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <519F6926-B95E-11D7-8641-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That does look cool, but my clumsy fingers do better with full sized keys. I ended up getting the Novation ReMote25 which I really like. It also is one of the only MIDI controllers that have after-touch. As a guitarist, it seems more natural to use that than a joystick for sending CC stuff. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 11:49 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > I think Mark S. was looking for something like this. > > http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM03/Content/Korg/PR/ > microKONTROL.html > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 16:31:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IKJh830821; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:19:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:19:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:19:35 -0700 Subject: Repeater power supply? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000801c34d4d$5d3aa1d0$250710ac@ws42554> Message-Id: <26715AD0-B95D-11D7-8641-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 09:55 AM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > I would also recommend joing the Yahoo Repeater group (just search for > repeater on the Yahoo Groups site); lots of good info there, and I > think I > may have read that someone had found a workable replacement power > supply *praying* Mine is fine, but you know how that goes. I'd like to have a spare just in case. Has anyone found a source for such things? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 17:06:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6IL43v02488; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:04:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:03:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0c3201c34d66$7b9e9820$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: <58955230-B963-11D7-BFAA-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > The other annoying thing is that the DR770 doesn't send ANYTHING it > generages if MIDI Thru is enabled, which sucks. Now I have to have a > merge box in order to get the midi clock AND the foot controller > commands to the repeater. Drag, but I guess that's typical. Boss is Roland's less expensive line and always has been. Although they make some great stuff, I'd suggest moving up to the Roland MC-505. They can be found used for a little more than the DR770, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2545093629&category=38069 or, you can get a new E-MU Command station for $499. Both units offer way more flexibility than the Dr. Rhythm line. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 17:31:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ILSlP04251; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0c6401c34d74$6d1e4030$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <26715AD0-B95D-11D7-8641-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater power supply? Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:34:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:19 PM Subject: Repeater power supply? > On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 09:55 AM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > > I would also recommend joing the Yahoo Repeater group (just search for > > repeater on the Yahoo Groups site); lots of good info there, and I > > think I > > may have read that someone had found a workable replacement power > > supply *praying* > > Mine is fine, but you know how that goes. I'd like to have a spare > just in case. Has anyone found a source for such things? I'll be interested in know that too. If this thing really works and my looping approach to my gig takes on strongly I'll probably be looking to buy another one of these as a backup. Paul > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 18 19:40:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6INbDe14603; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:37:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:37:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c34d85$b0839b70$0e715c0c@gardner4njmx9q> From: "redrum123" To: Subject: OT: Bass Hum Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:38:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (sorry this is so off topic, but you guys are uberhelpful and informative) I've had my acoustic bass for not even a month, and there is a rather severe noise issue using the pickup (it has a Fishman Classic4 preamp). I think it is a new problem, I don't remember having this level of noise on the line before. I have the guitar running into an Ultra-DI box (by Behringer), and then into an AB switch to my EDP. I've tested the guitar by running it straight into my Tube Preamp, and even straight into a mixer, using either an instrument cable or an XLR to 8th-inch cable, and the noise is consistent. I can get rid of the noise by touching the guitar and the DI (or mixer or preamp), so the instrument should be capable of much less noise. Also, I've found that if I touch the metal of the cable connector on the guitar, the noise disappears. If it would help, I can host a sample recording. Any help would be appreciated (looping with just my mic is only 75% as fun). -gardner From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 02:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6J67M609435; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 02:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 02:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030718230139.04aebce8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:08:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! In-Reply-To: References: <20030715142632.88111.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5p4gpC.A.PTC.ZAOG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:54 PM 7/17/2003, Mark Hamburg wrote: >2 EDPs does not really get you stereo. It gets you close, but it's >reportedly unreliable with threshold recording threshold record isn't supported with stereo. we tried to make it work but never figured out a way that didn't screw something else up. >(I've got to go play with >this and see just how unreliable) and you need to play games to get the >feedback pedal to work right. feedback works fine with stereo. it is transmitted by midi from one unit to the other, so they will both be the same. If you are using the pedal for some of the interface modes where it controls analog volumes (with a vca) instead of feedback, you just use a stereo pedal and connect it to both of them. this whole thread is absurd, by the way. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 02:44:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6J6hcI11836; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 02:43:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 02:43:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030719064332.36963.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Bass Hum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c34d85$b0839b70$0e715c0c@gardner4njmx9q> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6RkZQC.A.z4C.aiOG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- redrum123 wrote: > I've had my acoustic bass for not even a month, and > there is a rather severe noise issue using the >pickup... We had a thread about this over at the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group a few months back... The gist of it was: there's a similar problem with one of my project instruments (a low-open-tuned fretless nylon-string). It has a Markley undersaddle piezo, a Yamaha preamp, a very cool 'fretless bass meets oud' vibe and a whole lotta nasty hum. Like yours, the noise level varies if you touch the plug, which sorta requires a third hand while playing the thing. The problem is worse when the instrument is played through higher fidelity amps; through my electric rig it's almost acceptable with a certain amount of volume pedal riding, but through my acoustic amp it buzzes like a smoke alarm. Unfortunately, the thread (and the problem) never really resolved; there were a lot of suggestions (grounding straps, etc.), a lot of third-party observations (repairmen who say that's just the nature of piezos) and the like. I'd really like to be able to loop this instrument without a mic; it plays great, but the hum is unacceptable. If anyone has any insight, come on over to the ELSG and re-open the thread. (It's on topic there!) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C34DDE.55CBBD80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 09:09:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JD2Qo02525; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:02:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c34df5$ad911a80$63f15cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for July 19, 2003 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 08:59:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C34DD4.147DCC60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C34DD4.147DCC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox> who = plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix = of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 = FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I = also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #27 July 19, 2003. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Ricochet Musos Untitled none (none) VA [Dave Brewer] Soliloquy Different Skiers 2003 = Sampler (Atomic City) VA [Mutation Vector] Centipede Different Skiers 2003 = Sampler (Atomic City) VA [Mike Andrews] Shoulder Sequences No. 28 = (Sequences) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Diane Arkenstone Skin 2 Skin Jewel in the Sun (Neo = Pacifica) Jean Michel Jarre May 1 Sessions 2000 (Dreyfus) VA [Balligomingo] Marooned Windham Hill Chill = (Windham Hill) VA [State of Grace] Miserere Windham Hill Chill = (Windham Hill) Adrian Legg A Candle in Notre Dame Guitar for Mortals = (Relativity) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Porcupine Tree Drown With Me Futile (Lava) Erik Norlander Turn Me On Music Machine (Avalon) The Flower Kings Solidary Shell Unfold the Future = (InsideOut) Spock's Beard Thoughts Beware of Darkness = (Radiant) King Crimson Elektrik The Power to Believe = (DGM) Under the Sun The Time Being Under the Sun (Magna = Carta) * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on August 2. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm Listen on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at = http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C34DD4.147DCC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox> = who=20 plays
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an = eclectic mix=20 of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH=20 Allentown, 91.7 FM and
on the internet.  Send me comments if you = love or=20 hate what I played.  I also
host Afterglow every Thursday from = 8:00 am=20 to 9:30 am.
 
            =    =20     Show #27       =20             July 19, = 2003.
 
Phase I/Space:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Ricochet=20 Musos         =20 Untitled           = ;     =20 none (none)
VA [Dave = Brewer]       =20 Soliloquy          &nbs= p;    =20 Different Skiers 2003=20 Sampler
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 (Atomic City)
VA [Mutation Vector]   =20 Centipede          &nbs= p;    =20 Different Skiers 2003=20 Sampler
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 (Atomic City)
VA [Mike Andrews]      =20 Shoulder           = ;     =20 Sequences No. 28 (Sequences)
 
Phase II/Eclectic:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Diane=20 Arkenstone        Skin 2=20 Skin           &nb= sp; =20 Jewel in the Sun (Neo Pacifica)
Jean Michel=20 Jarre       May=20 1            =        =20 Sessions 2000 (Dreyfus)
VA = [Balligomingo]      =20 Marooned           = ;     =20 Windham Hill Chill=20 (Windham
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Hill)
VA [State of Grace]    =20 Miserere           = ;     =20 Windham Hill Chill=20 (Windham
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Hill)
Adrian=20 Legg           &nb= sp; A=20 Candle in Notre Dame   Guitar for Mortals (Relativity)
 
Phase III/Progressive Rock:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Porcupine=20 Tree          Drown With=20 Me            = Futile=20 (Lava)
Erik = Norlander         =20 Turn Me=20 On            = ;  =20 Music Machine (Avalon)
The Flower=20 Kings        Solidary=20 Shell           Unfold = the=20 Future (InsideOut)
Spock's=20 Beard          =20 Thoughts           = ;     =20 Beware of Darkness (Radiant)
King=20 Crimson           = =20 Elektrik           = ;     =20 The Power to Believe (DGM)
Under the=20 Sun           The Time = Being           Under = the Sun=20 (Magna Carta)
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on August 2.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am (GMT-5:00).
Phase = 1:=20 Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from = "Beyond
the=20 Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New=20 Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary=20 releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amf= m
Listen=20 on-line to WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh=20 and
click the REAL AUDIO link.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C34DD4.147DCC60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 09:53:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JDq3q05517; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:52:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:52:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0d0c01c34dfd$ca4b4120$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: OT: Drum machines an program changes Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:58:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Sorry for the off topic post... I've been working out the programming of the Boss DR-770. I've discovered that the only thing MIDI program changes will do is change the drum kit. Seems ot me like it should be able to change pattern/song so I can call up things from my foot controller without futzing with the little box. Is this standard drum machine implementation or do any of you know about a less restrictive box? Thanks, Paul Paul Sanders Internet Security/Network/Unix specialist Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 10:24:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JEMIY07058; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:22:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Drum machines an program changes Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 07:22:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0d0c01c34dfd$ca4b4120$0600a8c0@money2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try using song select (or sequence select), another MIDI command. Hex is f3 xx, where xx is the pattern number. I had the same problem with the Alesis SR-16. And it would only change patterns when it wasn't playing! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 11:02:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JF05H09426; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:00:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:00:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0d1c01c34e07$4b4cae40$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:06:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > At 12:51 PM 7/18/2003, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > The repeater will interpret any midi notes received on it's channel to > > > be pitch messages. > > > >I wonder if there is a way around that the developers should have used?! > > no, they did it right. You should have your drum machine on a different > midi channel from the repeater. clock is global, so it doesn't matter what > channel the devices are on for sync to midi clock. I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to develop such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for people who don't happen to know. What about the case where a person is sending MIDI program changes to the beat box via a MIDI foot controller that only supports one midi channel (like the multitude of FCB1010 users might be doing, and I would be doing if I hadn't taken the 1010 back)? They are then screwed. Yes, it WORKS, and there's somewhat of a justification for NOT dealing with this, if for no other reason, COST, but since they chose not to do this they should have plastered an unmissable caveat in the manual about it! This is the perspective of a guy who's been a software developer in a world where things have to work correctly and robustly (high end commercial Unix systems). Paul > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 11:03:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JF1HE09516; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:01:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0d2601c34e07$763bbd30$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Drum machines an program changes Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:07:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: RE: Drum machines an program changes > Try using song select (or sequence select), another MIDI command. Hex is f3 > xx, where xx is the pattern number. I don't think my midi foot controller will send that. It only sends program changes. Paul > I had the same problem with the Alesis SR-16. And it would only change > patterns when it wasn't playing! > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 11:49:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JFjkR12353; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:45:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Drum machines an program changes Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 08:45:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0d2601c34e07$763bbd30$0600a8c0@money2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Get a Peavey PC1600x, it will send those messages from a MIDI footpedal sending program changes. Here's one on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2545300095&category=1287 I don't know if they are still in production; i did a Google on it . . . But David Torn and Claude Voit use 'em--need I say more? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Paul Sanders [mailto:paul_sanders@adelphia.net] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machines an program changes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: RE: Drum machines an program changes > Try using song select (or sequence select), another MIDI command. Hex is f3 > xx, where xx is the pattern number. I don't think my midi foot controller will send that. It only sends program changes. Paul > I had the same problem with the Alesis SR-16. And it would only change > patterns when it wasn't playing! > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 12:19:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JGHu815114; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:17:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:17:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <146.15af68e8.2c4ac928@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:17:44 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Bass Hum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/18/03 4:37:45 PM, redrum123@worldnet.att.net writes: << I've had my acoustic bass for not even a month, and there is a rather severe noise issue using the pickup (it has a Fishman Classic4 preamp). >> Hi If it is a cold weld or an errant shielding, should be able to be tracked down by a local guitar tech. You might try an Ebtech Hum Eliminator. Plugging the guitar into that first might prevent the hum from moving thru the system. Not that expensive, good idea to have one around in any case when unexpected hums pop up. Has saved me several times. I always have to run my Korg M1 thru it. BobC The Thumb Piano Project www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject http://trundlebox.iuma.com. http://brokenaxe.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 12:21:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JGJ8Y15198; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:19:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:26:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Repeater powersupplies Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would suggest everyone who owns a repeater, email Jordan at IVL (jnelson@ivl.com), and ask him whatever happened to IVL's supposed plan to do another run of power supplies. I contacted him several months ago and he said they were "looking in to it". It may not help, but if enough people deluge them with requests, perhaps they will get off their collective rear ends, and get to business. Also, I had my power supply repaired by Condor Electronics up in Washington, 206-633-5190, the guy there told me that they are considering custom making some repeater power supplies. He said they wouldn't be cheap ($70-80) but that is not much to pay for peace of mind if the repeater is as vital to your music making as it is to mine. peace Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 13:00:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JGutn17659; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:56:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:56:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c34e17$863d8960$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:02:23 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 13:40:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JHd1r20792; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:39:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:39:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:38:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater powersupplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good info Bill! My email was sent. Hopefully they'll listen. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 09:26 AM, William R. Walker, wrote: > I would suggest everyone who owns a repeater, email Jordan at IVL > (jnelson@ivl.com), and ask him whatever happened to IVL's supposed > plan to > do another run of power supplies. I contacted him several months ago > and he > said they were "looking in to it". It may not help, but if enough > people > deluge them with requests, perhaps they will get off their collective > rear > ends, and get to business. Also, I had my power supply repaired by > Condor > Electronics up in Washington, 206-633-5190, the guy there told me that > they > are considering custom making some repeater power supplies. He said > they > wouldn't be cheap ($70-80) but that is not much to pay for peace of > mind if > the repeater is as vital to your music making as it is to mine. > peace > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 13:44:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JHgfi21035; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:42:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030719103325.0154f008@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:42:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in In-Reply-To: <0d1c01c34e07$4b4cae40$0600a8c0@money2> References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:06 AM 03/07/19, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > > no, they did it right. You should have your drum machine on a different > > midi channel from the repeater. clock is global, so it doesn't matter what > > channel the devices are on for sync to midi clock. > >I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to develop >such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for people who >don't happen to know. hee hee (LOL for Mark's benefit) >What about the case where a person is sending MIDI >program changes to the beat box via a MIDI foot controller that only >supports one midi channel (like the multitude of FCB1010 users might be >doing, and I would be doing if I hadn't taken the 1010 back)? They are then >screwed. If the repeater and beat box were on different channels you would still be able to get clock from one to the other and be able to use a dumb controller to send program changes to the beat box. The FCB1010 IS able to send multiple messages on independent channels. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 14:03:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JI27L25342; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:02:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:02:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:02:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0d1c01c34e07$4b4cae40$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: <1B53635F-BA13-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 08:06 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: >>> I wonder if there is a way around that the developers should have >>> used?! >> >> no, they did it right. You should have your drum machine on a >> different midi channel from the repeater. clock is global, so it >> doesn't matter what channel the devices are on for sync to midi >> >> clock. > > I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to > develop such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for > people who don't happen to know. You don't consider sending midi note messages to control pitch a good way to do it? What would you suggest? Control Voltage? But you probably don't know what a CV controlled synth is, as you surely are just starting with MIDI. MIDI is far from perfect but it's all we have and all that's going to be around in the foreseeable future. I think the point is this: If you're going to be an electronic musician, be prepared to read manuals, frequent lists like this and experiment a lot. Not every piece of gear can be all things to all people, especially lower end gear like your Boss drum machine. You want amazing functionality? You won't find it in a drum machine that retails for $350 new. Can you make amazing music with that $350 drum machine? Sure can. It might not work as flexibly as you'd like but that's the way it is. "You can't bend the spoon. That would be impossible. It is you that bends." All of what we've told you here is documented in manuals, I know because that's how I learned a lot of this. Other stuff I've learned by asking questions and listening. If you're too impatient to learn how your gear works, you might want to sell it all and get an acoustic guitar and play un-pluged. Yelling about the fact that you've not really read and understood the manuals isn't going to help you. Cranky pre caffein, Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 08:06 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: >>> I wonder if there is a way around that the developers should have >>> used?! >> >> no, they did it right. You should have your drum machine on a >> different midi channel from the repeater. clock is global, so it >> doesn't matter what channel the devices are on for sync to midi >> clock. > > I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to > develop > such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for people who > don't happen to know. What about the case where a person is sending > MIDI > program changes to the beat box via a MIDI foot controller that only > supports one midi channel (like the multitude of FCB1010 users might be > doing, and I would be doing if I hadn't taken the 1010 back)? They are > then > screwed. > > Yes, it WORKS, and there's somewhat of a justification for NOT dealing > with > this, if for no other reason, COST, but since they chose not to do > this they > should have plastered an unmissable caveat in the manual about it! > > This is the perspective of a guy who's been a software developer in a > world > where things have to work correctly and robustly (high end commercial > Unix > systems). > > Paul > >> >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 14:07:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JI4mk25681; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:04:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:04:46 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Drum machines an program changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0d0c01c34dfd$ca4b4120$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: <7B39D1F4-BA13-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > Is this standard drum machine implementation or do any of you know > about a less restrictive box? You're asking questions that have been answered for you on this list. I'm paying attention to those answers (and providing some) maybe you should read them too. There's always the archives. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 14:20:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JIIHh27051; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:18:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:18:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030719105141.04202928@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:19:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in In-Reply-To: <0d1c01c34e07$4b4cae40$0600a8c0@money2> References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:06 AM 7/19/2003, Paul Sanders wrote: > > At 12:51 PM 7/18/2003, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > > The repeater will interpret any midi notes received on it's channel to > > > > be pitch messages. > > > > > >I wonder if there is a way around that the developers should have used?! > > > > no, they did it right. You should have your drum machine on a different > > midi channel from the repeater. clock is global, so it doesn't matter what > > channel the devices are on for sync to midi clock. > >I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to develop >such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for people who >don't happen to know. no, the right way is to follow the midi spec and the standard practice that every other company follows. If you don't understand basic aspects of how midi works, that is something for you to correct by learning about it so you can use midi equipment properly. Electrix shouldn't have to deviate from the spec just to follow your own particular misunderstandings. >What about the case where a person is sending MIDI >program changes to the beat box via a MIDI foot controller that only >supports one midi channel that person should not be trying to control two devices with that controller. That's basic. The whole point of the channels in midi is that each device gets its own channel. If you are going to use such a low end controller you can't expect it to work for very many applications. >(like the multitude of FCB1010 users might be >doing, and I would be doing if I hadn't taken the 1010 back)? They are then >screwed. the FCB1010 can transmit on different midi channels. It does have limitations, but that is not one of them. >Yes, it WORKS, and there's somewhat of a justification for NOT dealing with >this, if for no other reason, COST, but since they chose not to do this they >should have plastered an unmissable caveat in the manual about it! there is no issue of cost. It's not clear to me what you think they should have done other than follow the midi spec. What would they write in this caveat? "Hi! We followed standard practice in our midi implementation. If you have developed your own personal understanding of how midi works that differs from the MIDI standard, it is possible the Repeater will not work the way you expect." >This is the perspective of a guy who's been a software developer in a world >where things have to work correctly and robustly (high end commercial Unix >systems). So how come when I use Unix I have to remember all these arcane commands? I always forget them. The designers of unix clearly did it wrong. I should be able to type in whatever I think the command is and unix should know what I meant and do the right thing. Those guys must be idiots. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 14:30:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JIRxE27776; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:27:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030718230139.04aebce8@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <70wos.A.3xG.u2YG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 11:08 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > > this whole thread is absurd, by the way. Absurd because a hardware stereo looper will never be a viable product in our lifetimes, or absurd because Gibson has no plans to ever further develop the EDP (beyond making it CE compliant)? The fact of the matter (for me) is this: Every piece of gear I own is stereo except for my Ampeg tube amp. I consider stereo processing and synths with sounds that have a stereo component to be standard in the year 2003. I consider them to be a big part of my sound. If my Repeater exploded today, I couldn't afford to get 2 EDPs to replace it. I'd probably end up getting another Repeater used. I know you (Kim) don't think that stereo is a big deal, but that's you. Sure you're opinion is valid, but why dismiss your end user's opinions? If the EDP was $300 or $400 dollars no one would be making this wish. That's all it is. A wish. I know this thread is a bit silly, but it's just a bunch of geeky loopers talking about what could have been/might be. Maybe it will inspire another manufacturer to release a competitive product? Highly doubtful, but you never know, especially with so many cool things happening in the software world. If Mark of the Unicorn's Digital Performer's POLAR module had feedback control I wouldn't be writing this or even considering the EDP. PHP software has already emulated the Lexicon delays of old, it's only a matter of time before someone does this to the EDP. I for one will be sad when this day comes, but that is the nature of technology. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 15:01:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JIxQU30228; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:59:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:59:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0d1c01c34e07$4b4cae40$0600a8c0@money2> References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> <0d1c01c34e07$4b4cae40$0600a8c0@money2> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:59:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:06 AM -0400 7/19/03, Paul Sanders wrote: >I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to develop >such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for people who >don't happen to know. While I agree that things should be as intuitive as they can be for a given feature set, I don't think that ignorance should be glorified. In this case the confusion could be avoided by what would be learned in MIDI 101. MIDI channels are pretty basic stuff. [re: using MIDI notes for pitch change] >but since they chose not to do this they >should have plastered an unmissable caveat in the manual about it! I guess that they expected you to read the section on MIDI from page 33 to 38. The answer to your misunderstanding, while not exactly stated as "an unmissable caveat", can certainly be found in this section. >This is the perspective of a guy who's been a software developer in a world >where things have to work correctly and robustly (high end commercial Unix >systems). But do you expect people who run your software on these systems to be able to run it without understanding it, or at least something of the *nix world? No, you probably assume a basic understanding of *nix. You probably assume the users of your software will read the documentation or at least the man page, no? And even in your documentation you probably don't have anything to cover the case of "Gee, I did a 'chmod 0000 your_program' and now it doesn't run". Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 15:03:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JJ2H630651; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:02:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:02:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:02:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030719105141.04202928@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <808185CF-BA1B-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 11:19 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > So how come when I use Unix I have to remember all these arcane > commands? I always forget them. The designers of unix clearly did it > wrong. I should be able to type in whatever I think the command is and > unix should know what I meant and do the right thing. Those guys must > be idiots. I propose a crank-off to decide once and for all who is the crankiest most sarcastic loopers delight member! Me or Kim! May the crankier man win! LOL Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 15:20:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JJIbe04639; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:18:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <808185CF-BA1B-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> References: <808185CF-BA1B-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:18:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:02 PM -0700 7/19/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I propose a crank-off to decide once and for all who is the crankiest most sarcastic loopers delight member! Me or Kim! May the crankier man win! Oooh! Oooh! Can I play? Here's my submission: >But do you expect people who run your software on these systems to be able to run it without understanding it, or at least something of the *nix world? No, you probably assume a basic understanding of *nix. You probably assume the users of your software will read the documentation or at least the man page, no? And even in your documentation you probably don't have anything to cover the case of "Gee, I did a 'chmod 0000 your_program' and now it doesn't run". Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 15:21:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JJJNJ05006; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:19:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:19:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030719191917.47322.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro & MidiBuddy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030710224304.28913.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8gHg9D.A.DOB.7mZG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally got the MidiBuddy to talk to the Echo Pro. (The MidiBuddy's instructional pamphlet said to use the MIDI OUT; it only works when I use the SHARE jack.) However, I'm noticing that the functions are different than described in the Line6 manual for programs 101-105. I actually prefer the way it's working (which is exactly as DG described, with most of the useful functions lined up on the controller's bottom row). The functions, rather than corresponding to their descriptions in the manual, are more like the notations on the Echo Pro's front panel. 101: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RPSPS) 102: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RSPSP) 103: does nothing (manual says: Record Only) 104: Stop (manual says: Overdub Only) 105: Record/Overdub (manual says: Stop Only) 106: Play/Stop (same as manual) 107: Play Once (same as manual) 108: Half Speed (same as manual) 109: Reverse (same as manual) Does anyone have any idea why this is? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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I got bored after a while and gave up answering the rest. This is just one guys opinion, or did someone change the right to that and not tell me. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > At 08:06 AM 7/19/2003, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > At 12:51 PM 7/18/2003, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > > > The repeater will interpret any midi notes received on it's channel to > > > > > be pitch messages. > > > > > > > >I wonder if there is a way around that the developers should have used?! > > > > > > no, they did it right. You should have your drum machine on a different > > > midi channel from the repeater. clock is global, so it doesn't matter what > > > channel the devices are on for sync to midi clock. > > > >I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to develop > >such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for people who > >don't happen to know. > > no, the right way is to follow the midi spec and the standard practice that > every other company follows. If you don't understand basic aspects of how > midi works, that is something for you to correct by learning about it so > you can use midi equipment properly. Electrix shouldn't have to deviate > from the spec just to follow your own particular misunderstandings. What the hell does that have to do with the spec? There's nothing that I can find in the spec that says you can't filter unwanted midi messages. > > >What about the case where a person is sending MIDI > >program changes to the beat box via a MIDI foot controller that only > >supports one midi channel > > that person should not be trying to control two devices with that > controller. That's basic. The whole point of the channels in midi is that > each device gets its own channel. > > If you are going to use such a low end controller you can't expect it to > work for very many applications. I DON'T > > >(like the multitude of FCB1010 users might be > >doing, and I would be doing if I hadn't taken the 1010 back)? They are then > >screwed. > > the FCB1010 can transmit on different midi channels. It does have > limitations, but that is not one of them. You have a different one than I do! I seem to recall the midi channel is set globally. > > >Yes, it WORKS, and there's somewhat of a justification for NOT dealing with > >this, if for no other reason, COST, but since they chose not to do this they > >should have plastered an unmissable caveat in the manual about it! > > there is no issue of cost. It's not clear to me what you think they should > have done other than follow the midi spec. What would they write in this > caveat? > > "Hi! We followed standard practice in our midi implementation. If you have > developed your own personal understanding of how midi works that differs > from the MIDI standard, it is possible the Repeater will not work the way > you expect." > > >This is the perspective of a guy who's been a software developer in a world > >where things have to work correctly and robustly (high end commercial Unix > >systems). > > So how come when I use Unix I have to remember all these arcane commands? I > always forget them. The designers of unix clearly did it wrong. I should be > able to type in whatever I think the command is and unix should know what I > meant and do the right thing. Those guys must be idiots. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 16:25:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JKNMb31613; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:23:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:23:20 -0700 Subject: Crankiest LD member contest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, you're so in. We should do an Oscar style LD awards where we have categories and nominations and we could all vote for our favorite posts. What Paul doesn't understand is that while we're busy tearing him a new asshole, (I hope he can shit faster and spend the extra time he gains reading his gear manuals) most others are just rolling their eyes and ignoring him. I get pissed because I'm trying to help someone who can't be bothered to read all the helpful posts we've spent a lot of time and care writing. I hope someone's getting something out of all this. That being said, writing about this stuff helps me better understand what I myself am doing and gives me new ideas to try, so it's not all altruistic. Most of you guys are amazingly great sources of information and I cherish this list because of that. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > At 12:02 PM -0700 7/19/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> I propose a crank-off to decide once and for all who is the crankiest >> most sarcastic loopers delight member! Me or Kim! May the crankier >> man win! > > > Oooh! Oooh! Can I play? Here's my submission: > >> But do you expect people who run your software on these systems to be >> able to run it without understanding it, or at least something of the >> *nix world? No, you probably assume a basic understanding of *nix. >> You probably assume the users of your software will read the >> documentation or at least the man page, no? And even in your >> documentation you probably don't have anything to cover the case of >> "Gee, I did a 'chmod 0000 your_program' and now it doesn't run". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 16:31:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JKNuH31874; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0d5301c34e34$89308470$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> <0d1c01c34e07$4b4cae40$0600a8c0@money2> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:30:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1k3TL.A.5xH.cjaG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've responded to some things down here for discussion purposes, but I realize that it's all moot anyway because there is no Electrix to appeal to for documentation changes, etc... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Muir" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > At 11:06 AM -0400 7/19/03, Paul Sanders wrote: > >I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to develop > >such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for people who > >don't happen to know. > > While I agree that things should be as intuitive as they can be for a given feature set, I don't think that ignorance should be glorified. > > In this case the confusion could be avoided by what would be learned in MIDI 101. MIDI channels are pretty basic stuff. I suppose that's true, but the notion that, one is going to get *something* from a device (in this case the midi clock from a drum machine) so, it makes sense they should be on the *same* midi channel isn't unreasonable IMO. The notion that "I need to get the midi clock from this drum machin, so let me make sure I set it to a *different* channel" is less than intuitive. I've seen other posts from people getting bit by this, and others who have "worked around" it but not really understood exactly what the problem is. It's a bit obscure an could be documented better. Much better. I'm just now coming in on all this MIDI stuff though in the past few days I've learned most of what I've been after. I guess those who have been dealing with it for some time have more of a "well DUH!" view of these things because they've know and lived with all these things for some time. I'm coming in with a fresh perspective. I guess though, it doesn't matter what my perspective is, it won't change anything. > > [re: using MIDI notes for pitch change] > >but since they chose not to do this they > >should have plastered an unmissable caveat in the manual about it! > > I guess that they expected you to read the section on MIDI from page 33 to 38. The answer to your misunderstanding, while not exactly stated as "an unmissable caveat", can certainly be found in this section. I just looked at this, and I fail to find the answer to my misunderstanding. I supposed if I were able to read betweent the lines a bit better it would be more useful. > > > >This is the perspective of a guy who's been a software developer in a world > >where things have to work correctly and robustly (high end commercial Unix > >systems). > > But do you expect people who run your software on these systems to be able to run it without understanding it, or at least something of the *nix world? No, you probably assume a basic understanding of *nix. You probably assume the users of your software will read the documentation or at least the man page, no? And even in your documentation you probably don't have anything to cover the case of "Gee, I did a 'chmod 0000 your_program' and now it doesn't run". > I write my code to account for things that I anticipate are likely to happen. A decent analogy is if I'm writing a UDP socket program to communicate with another system via UDP. UDP, by definition is an unreliable protocol. I'm not going to require the user to understand UDP, aside from assuring his/her network configuration is appropriately set to communicate on the network it's attached to (this would be the same thing as making sure I have the Repeater and drum machine set to exchange midi clock. I'm going to write my application such that it handles dropped packets (which is possible with UDP) and resends them, and this will be transparent to the user. That way they will never need to verify that their data transfer had missing packets (or in the case of drum machine sending note info on the same channel) extra packets that I aren't wanted. MIDI, at a certain level is like a protocol. It's great that lot's of people know all about it, but there are even more that use it and DON'T know so much about it. So, Kim suggesting to me that I should know so much more about the midi spec before I make comments about how things are implemented is lame IMO. In a smaller way, it's like me telling a customer they need to read the UDP spec. Paul > Chris > > -- > | In theory, there is no difference between > http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 16:39:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JKamV02798; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:36:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:36:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0d6301c34e36$554a7790$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <1B53635F-BA13-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:42:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <9SKkPC.A.mr.gvaG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 08:06 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > >>> I wonder if there is a way around that the developers should have > >>> used?! > >> > >> no, they did it right. You should have your drum machine on a > >> different midi channel from the repeater. clock is global, so it > >> doesn't matter what channel the devices are on for sync to midi >> > >> clock. > > > > I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to > > develop such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for > > people who don't happen to know. > > You don't consider sending midi note messages to control pitch a good > way to do it? What would you suggest? Control Voltage? I'm not talking about the *sending* box, I'm talking about the *receiving* box. Unless I've read the Repeater manual incorrectly, the pitch adjustment is done via CC's. As far as I can tell, the Repeater doesn't use MIDI notes at all. However it does obviously do something with them as it's hosed the shound of the audio. Have I missed the documentation that says what the Repeater does with note on/off messages? The midi chart suggests it uses PC and CC messages only. So, if it doesn't NEED MIDI notes, why not simply filter the notes out so an idiot like me who happens to have a drum machine sending sync and also happens to be on the same channel doesn't hose up the recorded audio. Not that matters now, this idiot has been informed and I'm moving on to the next thing. Paul > > But you probably don't know what a CV controlled synth is, as you > surely are just starting with MIDI. MIDI is far from perfect but it's > all we have and all that's going to be around in the foreseeable future. > > I think the point is this: If you're going to be an electronic > musician, be prepared to read manuals, frequent lists like this and I'm not going to be an electronic musician, and I DO read manuals, and I've experimented a lot, AND, I've read this list, and I've so far managed to resolve every problem I've run across. I don't recall seeing the answer to my drum machine thing as you stated. I do happen to be vocal about what I think about them. > experiment a lot. Not every piece of gear can be all things to all > people, especially lower end gear like your Boss drum machine. You > want amazing functionality? You won't find it in a drum machine that > retails for $350 new. Can you make amazing music with that $350 drum > machine? Sure can. It might not work as flexibly as you'd like but > that's the way it is. > > "You can't bend the spoon. That would be impossible. It is you that > bends." > > All of what we've told you here is documented in manuals, I know > because that's how I learned a lot of this. Other stuff I've learned > by asking questions and listening. If you're too impatient to learn > how your gear works, you might want to sell it all and get an acoustic > guitar and play un-pluged. Yelling about the fact that you've not > really read and understood the manuals isn't going to help you. Read what I said above. You are making assumptions. I most always work with the manuals before posting here. If something is not IN the manual it doesn't much help me now does it? You say this as if the manuals have all the info well documented and it's up to my silly ass to correctly interpret it. It's not all there. Surely you have run across that situation in your explorations of electronica. Paul > > Cranky pre caffein, > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 08:06 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > >>> I wonder if there is a way around that the developers should have > >>> used?! > >> > >> no, they did it right. You should have your drum machine on a > >> different midi channel from the repeater. clock is global, so it > >> doesn't matter what channel the devices are on for sync to midi >> clock. > > > > I don't consider that *right*. The RIGHT way to do it would be to > > develop > > such that this like this wouldn't cause obscure problems for people who > > don't happen to know. What about the case where a person is sending > > MIDI > > program changes to the beat box via a MIDI foot controller that only > > supports one midi channel (like the multitude of FCB1010 users might be > > doing, and I would be doing if I hadn't taken the 1010 back)? They are > > then > > screwed. > > > > Yes, it WORKS, and there's somewhat of a justification for NOT dealing > > with > > this, if for no other reason, COST, but since they chose not to do > > this they > > should have plastered an unmissable caveat in the manual about it! > > > > This is the perspective of a guy who's been a software developer in a > > world > > where things have to work correctly and robustly (high end commercial > > Unix > > systems). > > > > Paul > > > >> > >> kim > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 16:46:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JKjMV04444; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0d6d01c34e37$87b6fc70$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030719105141.04202928@loopers-delight.com> <0d4901c34e31$cb4533e0$0600a8c0@money2> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:51:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > the FCB1010 can transmit on different midi channels. It does have > > limitations, but that is not one of them. > > You have a different one than I do! I seem to recall the midi channel is set > globally. This is my mistake. I took another peek at the manual. You can assign channels to the different messages each preset sends. My bad. I don't know where I got it stuck in my head that this box would only send one midi channel. Hmmm. I still would like to know who pissed in your wheaties though. We need to thump that cat on the head :) Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 16:49:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JKkPL04635; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:46:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030719134454.0158d4d8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:46:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in In-Reply-To: <0d6301c34e36$554a7790$0600a8c0@money2> References: <1B53635F-BA13-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Page 34 of my Repeater manual says: MIDI CHANNEL SELECTION Repeater receives MIDI information on the channel specified by the MIDI channel selector on the rear panel. There is one exception to the global MIDI receive channel as set by the rear panel selector: MIDI clock messages are not chan- nel specific and will be received regardless of the receive channel. Additionally, reception of MIDI Clock messages will not light up the MIDI Receive LED on the front of Repeater. it also has this: Repeater's Track Pitch Shift can be easily controlled with MIDI note information. At 01:42 PM 03/07/19, Paul Sanders wrote: ..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 16:53:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JKoZA05160; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030719134704.01462b30@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:50:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in In-Reply-To: <0d4901c34e31$cb4533e0$0600a8c0@money2> References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030719105141.04202928@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_zqjR.A.fQB.b8aG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:10 PM 03/07/19, Paul Sanders wrote: > > every other company follows. If you don't understand basic aspects of how > > midi works, that is something for you to correct by learning about it so > > you can use midi equipment properly. Electrix shouldn't have to deviate > > from the spec just to follow your own particular misunderstandings. > >What the hell does that have to do with the spec? There's nothing that I can >find in the spec that says you can't filter unwanted midi messages. There isn't. If you want a filter check out products from MIDI Solutions. > > the FCB1010 can transmit on different midi channels. It does have > > limitations, but that is not one of them. > >You have a different one than I do! I seem to recall the midi channel is set >globally. You are correct. So is Kim. There are multiple midi channels that you set globally. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 17:08:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JL5MW06242; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:05:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0da101c34e3a$53424eb0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <7B39D1F4-BA13-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: Drum machines an program changes Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:11:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: Re: OT: Drum machines an program changes > On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > Is this standard drum machine implementation or do any of you know > > about a less restrictive box? > > You're asking questions that have been answered for you on this list. > I'm paying attention to those answers (and providing some) maybe you > should read them too. There's always the archives. Good for you. I seem to have trouble assimilating all the sheer volume of this list. I don't recall asking this particular question because I only just realized that limitation. But, that's OK. I've figured this out on my own. To respond to Gary's answer to my question: Using song select isn't an option because the DR-770 doesn't recognize incoming song select and song position messages if the clock is set to INT, which is what I need if I'm going to slave the repeater from the 770's clock. HOWEVER, there IS a cheaper solution to this so it seems. Musicians Friend has a MIDI mapper box from Midi Solutions. Here's the web page for it: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmap.htm Doesn't look like it will do the song select message, but I think I can assign patterns to pads of the 770 and I can send a note on to trigger that. For that solution though I should go back to the FCB1010, but then I loose the alpa display. Tradeoffs, tradeoffs. So Mark, go take a shit and read YOUR manuals! :) Paul > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 17:10:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JL8I006494; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:08:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:08:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0da901c34e3a$bc3a8f90$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Crankiest LD member contest Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:14:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: Crankiest LD member contest > Dude, you're so in. We should do an Oscar style LD awards where we > have categories and nominations and we could all vote for our favorite > posts. > > What Paul doesn't understand is that while we're busy tearing him a new > asshole, (I hope he can shit faster and spend the extra time he gains > reading his gear manuals) most others are just rolling their eyes and > ignoring him. I get pissed because I'm trying to help someone who > can't be bothered to read all the helpful posts we've spent a lot of > time and care writing. I hope someone's getting something out of all > this. Maybe there are some folks rolling their eyes and ignoring YOU too! The silly part is, you HAVE helped. I'm really not sure what you are expecting to make you feel warm and fuzzy about that. Of course what's NOT helping is my taking all this time to respond to this pissy flames because you don't think I've utilized your valuable information effectively enough. But, that's MY bad. I could just drop it and go on. I guess I will...maybe. Paul > > That being said, writing about this stuff helps me better understand > what I myself am doing and gives me new ideas to try, so it's not all > altruistic. Most of you guys are amazingly great sources of > information and I cherish this list because of that. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > > > At 12:02 PM -0700 7/19/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> I propose a crank-off to decide once and for all who is the crankiest > >> most sarcastic loopers delight member! Me or Kim! May the crankier > >> man win! > > > > > > Oooh! Oooh! Can I play? Here's my submission: > > > >> But do you expect people who run your software on these systems to be > >> able to run it without understanding it, or at least something of the > >> *nix world? No, you probably assume a basic understanding of *nix. > >> You probably assume the users of your software will read the > >> documentation or at least the man page, no? And even in your > >> documentation you probably don't have anything to cover the case of > >> "Gee, I did a 'chmod 0000 your_program' and now it doesn't run". > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 17:15:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JLBsP06787; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0dc701c34e3b$3c97bc80$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030719105141.04202928@loopers-delight.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030719134704.01462b30@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:18:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > At 01:10 PM 03/07/19, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > every other company follows. If you don't understand basic aspects of how > > > midi works, that is something for you to correct by learning about it so > > > you can use midi equipment properly. Electrix shouldn't have to deviate > > > from the spec just to follow your own particular misunderstandings. > > > >What the hell does that have to do with the spec? There's nothing that I can > >find in the spec that says you can't filter unwanted midi messages. > > There isn't. If you want a filter check out products from MIDI Solutions. > > > > > the FCB1010 can transmit on different midi channels. It does have > > > limitations, but that is not one of them. > > > >You have a different one than I do! I seem to recall the midi channel is set > >globally. > > You are correct. So is Kim. There are multiple midi channels that you set > globally. Yep. I clarified that in an earlier email. I was mistaken there. If ONLY that thing had a text display so one could name presets. I'd gladly pay the extra few bucks that would cost! Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 17:58:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JLuwQ09546; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:56:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:56:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0dd301c34e41$884d6480$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <1B53635F-BA13-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20030719134454.0158d4d8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:03:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > Page 34 of my Repeater manual says: > > MIDI CHANNEL SELECTION > Repeater receives MIDI information on the channel specified by the MIDI > channel selector on the rear panel. There is > one exception to the global MIDI receive channel as set by the rear panel > selector: MIDI clock messages are not chan- > nel specific and will be received regardless of the receive channel. > Additionally, reception of MIDI Clock messages will > not light up the MIDI Receive LED on the front of Repeater. Yes, we all learned that MIDI clock is global. What I wasnt expecting was the note messages to be coming across the line. I actually had thought of that earlier and had tried to turn that off in the MIDI setup menu of the DR770. I was getting some flakey behaviour from the menu. The values weren't changing reliably and I was having to power cycle the DR770. It was partly an issue with sequence of events and looking at that stuff too long in one run that was generating some confusion. > > it also has this: > Repeater's Track Pitch Shift can be easily controlled with MIDI note > information. Ok. there you have it. > > > > At 01:42 PM 03/07/19, Paul Sanders wrote: > > ..... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 18:05:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JM3o910106; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:03:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:03:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0dd701c34e42$7e37cca0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <1B53635F-BA13-11D7-B30B-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20030719134454.0158d4d8@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:09:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, that is in my manual too. I think the big disconnect was my not condering the drum machine was sending out midi notes. I've never used one of those things to drive a sound module, so at the time, it hadn't really occured to me the thing spews out midi notes. As I said, I thought it might be sending SOMETHING that was intefering which I'd tried to disable. It's all crystal clear now, but a novice may not put these documentation tidbits together right away, as was the case with me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in > Page 34 of my Repeater manual says: > > MIDI CHANNEL SELECTION > Repeater receives MIDI information on the channel specified by the MIDI > channel selector on the rear panel. There is > one exception to the global MIDI receive channel as set by the rear panel > selector: MIDI clock messages are not chan- > nel specific and will be received regardless of the receive channel. > Additionally, reception of MIDI Clock messages will > not light up the MIDI Receive LED on the front of Repeater. > > it also has this: > Repeater's Track Pitch Shift can be easily controlled with MIDI note > information. > > > > At 01:42 PM 03/07/19, Paul Sanders wrote: > > ..... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 18:48:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JMirV12909; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:44:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Resetting all loops on Brothersync'ed EDPs the easy way From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9B456820-BA3A-11D7-A032-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Supposing you've got two EDPs connected via Brothersync acting as synchronized mono loopers, not as a stereo pair. What's the quickest way to reset both of them completely without cycling the power. After I've been using them for a while (each one is set to two loops), I'll decide that I want to clear everything out. I thought that a long Record followed by a long Multiply on each machine would do it, but that's not always the case. As a result, when I go to start recording my new "base" loop (the first one that determines the minimum cycle length and musical foundation of the piece), instead of going instantly into record when I press the Record button, it goes into the waiting mode, like it's waiting for a startpoint from the other machine. Does this ring a bell for anyone? I'm using a stereo cable for Brothersync, it's set to Out on both machines, and I'm using an EDP foot controller (not a MIDI controller), and the 4.0 software and I'm not noticing other problems. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 19:09:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JN7E014594; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c34ee1$09c995c0$1ca44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Crankiest LD member contest Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:04:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "That being said, writing about this stuff helps me better understand what I myself am doing and gives me new ideas to try, so it's not all altruistic." this is the very reason that i don't mind answering questions over and over again (within reason)...it keeps me in check. people should always do their homework but the simple fact of the matter is that they don't. one way or the other, i'm just glad if i can help out. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 19:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JNNpa15426; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:23:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:23:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0ddd01c34e4d$abcf1730$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <006e01c34ee1$09c995c0$1ca44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Crankiest LD member contest Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:29:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-yY8VB.A.5wD.HMdG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Crankiest LD member contest > "That being said, writing about this stuff helps me better understand what I > myself am doing and gives me new ideas to try, so it's not all altruistic." > > this is the very reason that i don't mind answering questions over and over > again (within reason)...it keeps me in check. people should always do their > homework but the simple fact of the matter is that they don't. one way or > the other, i'm just glad if i can help out. Thanks for the pleasant attitude about this Jim. Sometimes, too, people DO do their homework, but just don't manage to discover what they need, even sometimes when the info is right there in front of them. Forums like this list sometimes tend to generate information overload. So much info it's difficult sometimes to extract what one needs. I'm happy with what I've learned from this list, and from the experimentation I've done in conjunction with the issues I've posted here. I'm at the point where I should be able to get most everything I need to accomplish working. Most of it is already there. A couple of pieces are still in the works. Thanks to those who have given info. Paul > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 19:37:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JNZ5x16736; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:35:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:35:03 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Drum machines an program changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0da101c34e3a$53424eb0$0600a8c0@money2> Message-Id: <9F21681E-BA41-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > For that solution though I should go back to the FCB1010, but then I > loose the alpa display. Tradeoffs, tradeoffs. It's all about tradeoffs, this life. > So Mark, go take a shit and read YOUR manuals! :) Dude, I do my best manual reading while on the toilet. ||:Read the manual, then to mess with the gear, get stuck, read manual. Mess with gear. Write LD message :|| It's the cycle of life. Good gear and a high fiber diet is all I need. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 19:37:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6JNYlV16700; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:34:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:34:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030719233446.93921.qmail@web11410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rich R." Subject: Re: Echo Pro & MidiBuddy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030719191917.47322.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's kind of weird, although for a Line 6 unit I'm not surprised. In this instance, though, I wouldn't doubt it's the MidiBuddy. No offense, but the MidiBuddy is a woefully inadequate controller for any decent rig, a looping rig especially. I wouldn't doubt it has problems sending more than one button press at a time. In other words, you have to hit button 9 then button 8 then back to button 9 so it will behave anywhere like the Echo Pro is expecting (this rather than being able to send a button 9 press, then another button 9, and another button 9, etc). --- Tim Nelson wrote: > I finally got the MidiBuddy to talk to the Echo Pro. > (The MidiBuddy's instructional pamphlet said to use > the MIDI OUT; it only works when I use the SHARE > jack.) > > However, I'm noticing that the functions are > different > than described in the Line6 manual for programs > 101-105. I actually prefer the way it's working > (which > is exactly as DG described, with most of the useful > functions lined up on the controller's bottom row). > > The functions, rather than corresponding to their > descriptions in the manual, are more like the > notations on the Echo Pro's front panel. > > 101: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RPSPS) > 102: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RSPSP) > 103: does nothing (manual says: Record Only) > 104: Stop (manual says: Overdub Only) > 105: Record/Overdub (manual says: Stop Only) > 106: Play/Stop (same as manual) > 107: Play Once (same as manual) > 108: Half Speed (same as manual) > 109: Reverse (same as manual) > > Does anyone have any idea why this is? > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 20:22:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K0KBn19712; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:20:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:20:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F19DF13.893778B8@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:15:15 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Matthias Grob's New CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't remember seeing this mentioned on the list yet, amazingly enough... Matthias Grob (Echoplex inventor, LoopIV software writer, etc.) has a new CD available: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/grob Soapbox time: If the EDP has made any sort of difference to your music at all, then please take a couple of minutes to order this disc through the web site above, and help support Matthias (who made the EDP possible in the first place) and Steve Lawson (whose label is putting it out). Or you could simply view it as an investment in some of the most highly developed and beautiful live electronic music you'll find - there are several sound clips on the web page as well. Well done, Matthias (and Steve)! --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 22:58:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K2u8231192; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:56:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F1A04C8.1010102@quik.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:56:08 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo Pro & MidiBuddy References: <20030719191917.47322.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030719191917.47322.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8URCp.A.QnH.ITgG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > > However, I'm noticing that the functions are different > than described in the Line6 manual for programs > 101-105. I actually prefer the way it's working (which > is exactly as DG described, with most of the useful > functions lined up on the controller's bottom row). > The functions, rather than corresponding to their > descriptions in the manual, are more like the > notations on the Echo Pro's front panel. > > 101: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RPSPS) > 102: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RSPSP) > 103: does nothing (manual says: Record Only) > 104: Stop (manual says: Overdub Only) > 105: Record/Overdub (manual says: Stop Only) > 106: Play/Stop (same as manual) > 107: Play Once (same as manual) > 108: Half Speed (same as manual) > 109: Reverse (same as manual) I don't think the problem is with the midibuddy, but with the line6 manual. The descriptions for prog changes 101 and 102 are accurate. Don't forget that the looper must be reset for them to begin recording, rather than simply toggle on/off. The description for prog change 104 (Looper Overdub only) actually belongs to prog 103. The description for prog 105 belongs to prog 104. Prog 105 works just like button 1 (far left) on the DL4, which is record/overdub/play/overdub/play/etc. However, if you use 101 - 104, or 106 to turn the loop off, then when you hit 105 again, it starts back at the top with record, wiping out whatever loop was in memory. Hope this helps. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 23:12:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K39Ix32737; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F1A07DF.8090608@quik.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:09:19 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Bass Hum References: <002f01c34d85$b0839b70$0e715c0c@gardner4njmx9q> In-Reply-To: <002f01c34d85$b0839b70$0e715c0c@gardner4njmx9q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com redrum123 wrote: > (sorry this is so off topic, but you guys are uberhelpful and informative) > > I've had my acoustic bass for not even a month, and there is a rather severe > noise issue using the pickup (it has a Fishman Classic4 preamp). I think it > is a new problem, I don't remember having this level of noise on the line > before. I have the guitar running into an Ultra-DI box (by Behringer), and > then into an AB switch to my EDP. I've tested the guitar by running it > straight into my Tube Preamp, and even straight into a mixer, using either > an instrument cable or an XLR to 8th-inch cable, and the noise is > consistent. I can get rid of the noise by touching the guitar and the DI > (or mixer or preamp), so the instrument should be capable of much less > noise. Also, I've found that if I touch the metal of the cable connector on > the guitar, the noise disappears. For certain, you have a grounding problem. The real issue is, where is it *really* coming from. First, remove the instrument from your recording environment, i.e. take it over to a buddy's house and plug into their system, with a known good cable. IF the buzz disappears, the problem is probably in your studio, which is not really good news :-( If the buzz is still present, try several different cables. If it still buzzes, then the problem is probably in the pickup itself. Most likely, the ground shield to the preamp is fraying and coming undone, which means that it's not grounding properly. Or a solder to the ground sheild is coming loose, or is cracked. If you are comfortable with a solding iron and have a steady hand, take the preamp out of the instrument, take it apart, and resolder the loose connection. Test it with a multi-meter to ensure connectivity. If you don't want to hassle with trouble-shooting and repairing the unit yourself, take it to the *best* guitar repair shop in town and discuss the problem with them *in depth* including all the trouble-shooting steps you've taken. Good luck! D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 19 23:13:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K3B0F00485; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:11:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0d5301c34e34$89308470$0600a8c0@money2> References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> <0d1c01c34e07$4b4cae40$0600a8c0@money2> <0d5301c34e34$89308470$0600a8c0@money2> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:10:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1153451843==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1153451843==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:30 PM -0400 7/19/03, Paul Sanders wrote: >I suppose that's true, but the notion that, one is going to get *something* >from a device (in this case the midi clock from a drum machine) so, it makes >sense they should be on the *same* midi channel isn't unreasonable IMO. The >notion that "I need to get the midi clock from this drum machin, so let me >make sure I set it to a *different* channel" is less than intuitive. I suppose that's true, but the notion that you can get anything useful from a fairly complex system without understanding at least some of the basics isn't reasonable, IMO. A basic concept of MIDI is that there are two types of message, Channel and System. All the Channel Messages have embedded channel information in them. Channel Messages are further broken down into Channel Voice (e.g. NoteOn, Controller) and Channel Mode (e.g. LocalControl) messages. System Messages are global and have no channel info in them. System Messages are broken down into System Common (e.g. SongPositionPointer), System Realtime (e.g. Clock, Start, Stop) and System Exclusive (i.e. manufacturer-specific stuff) messages. Don't let your preconceptions about how a system is supposed to work get in the way of your learning how the system really _does_ work. Google (or similar) should turn up quite a lot of references and tutorials. The British magazine Sound on Sound had a rather good series, but this was several years back. It may well be on their web site. >I've seen other posts from people getting bit by this, and others who have >"worked around" it but not really understood exactly what the problem is. >It's a bit obscure an could be documented better. Much better. Now I don't want to be cast as a MIDI apologist. I've been pretty outspoken on my dislike of many aspects of MIDI's design over the years. But that hasn't stopped me from understanding and using it for a long time. I think that one of Kim's points is that your problems are not Electrix's fault. The Repeater has a fairly good MIDI implementation. It works in a way that makes sense to people "schooled in the art". The problems that you've mentioned, so far seem to be problems of your internal concept of MIDI not matching the reality of MIDI. Just like your compilers don't teach you how the C language works, it is not Electrix's job to teach you MIDI. >I'm just now coming in on all this MIDI stuff though in the past few days >I've learned most of what I've been after. I guess those who have been >dealing with it for some time have more of a "well DUH!" view of these >things because they've know and lived with all these things for some time. >I'm coming in with a fresh perspective. I guess though, it doesn't matter >what my perspective is, it won't change anything. If you feel that you have enough fresh insight into this, perhaps you should write up your findings so that other people new to the field can benefit from your experience. >I just looked at this, and I fail to find the answer to my misunderstanding. >I supposed if I were able to read betweent the lines a bit better it would >be more useful. I thought that this was pretty clear (near the top of page 34 in the manual): MIDI CHANNEL SELECTION Repeater receives MIDI information on the channel specified by the MIDI channel selector on the rear panel. There is one exception to the global MIDI receive channel as set by the rear panel selector: MIDI clock messages are not channel specific and will be received regardless of the receive channel. Additionally, reception of MIDI Clock messages will not light up the MIDI Receive LED on the front of Repeater. [re: UDP analogy] Actually, I think that a slightly better analogy is a TCP/IP stack that has many well known ports which are open for many different protocols. There's port 80, ready to accept http traffic, port 25 open for SMTP traffic, etc. All this data flows into this system, through the same wire, on top of UDP, but it has a different interpretation based on what protocol it is. The same rules don't apply from one protocol to another. MIDI also roughly has the equivalent of different protocols traveling down the same cable: System and Channel. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut --============_-1153451843==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Repeater and sync from midi in
At 4:30 PM -0400 7/19/03, Paul Sanders wrote:
I suppose that's true, but the notion that, one is going to get *something*
from a device (in this case the midi clock from a drum machine) so, it makes
sense they should be on the *same* midi channel isn't unreasonable IMO. The
notion that "I need to get the midi clock from this drum machin, so let me
make sure I set it to a *different* channel" is less than intuitive.

I suppose that's true, but the notion that you can get anything useful from a fairly complex system without understanding at least some of the basics isn't reasonable, IMO.

A basic concept of MIDI is that there are two types of message, Channel and System.

All the Channel Messages have embedded channel information in them. Channel Messages are further broken down into Channel Voice (e.g. NoteOn, Controller) and Channel Mode (e.g. LocalControl) messages.

System Messages are global and have no channel info in them. System Messages are broken down into System Common (e.g. SongPositionPointer), System Realtime (e.g. Clock, Start, Stop) and System Exclusive (i.e. manufacturer-specific stuff) messages.

Don't let your preconceptions about how a system is supposed to work get in the way of your learning how the system really _does_ work. Google (or similar) should turn up quite a lot of references and tutorials. The British magazine Sound on Sound had a rather good series, but this was several years back. It may well be on their web site.



I've seen other posts from people getting bit by this, and others who have
"worked around" it but not really understood exactly what the problem is.
It's a bit obscure an could be documented better. Much better.

Now I don't want to be cast as a MIDI apologist. I've been pretty outspoken on my dislike of many aspects of MIDI's design over the years. But that hasn't stopped me from understanding and using it for a long time.

I think that one of Kim's points is that your problems are not Electrix's fault. The Repeater has a fairly good MIDI implementation. It works in a way that makes sense to people "schooled in the art". The problems that you've mentioned, so far seem to be problems of your internal concept of MIDI not matching the reality of MIDI.

Just like your compilers don't teach you how the C language works, it is not Electrix's job to teach you MIDI.


I'm just now coming in on all this MIDI stuff though in the past few days
I've learned most of what I've been after. I guess those who have been
dealing with it for some time have more of a "well DUH!" view of these
things because they've know and lived with all these things for some time.
I'm coming in with a fresh perspective. I guess though, it doesn't matter
what my perspective is, it won't change anything.

If you feel that you have enough fresh insight into this, perhaps you should write up your findings so that other people new to the field can benefit from your experience.


I just looked at this, and I fail to find the answer to my misunderstanding.
I supposed if I were able to read betweent the lines a bit better it would
be more useful.

I thought that this was pretty clear (near the top of page 34 in the manual):
MIDI CHANNEL SELECTION
Repeater receives MIDI information on the channel specified by the MIDI channel selector on the rear panel.  There is one exception to the global MIDI receive channel as set by the rear panel selector: MIDI clock messages are not channel specific and will be received regardless of the receive channel. Additionally, reception of MIDI Clock messages will not light up the MIDI Receive LED on the front of Repeater.


[re: UDP analogy]

Actually, I think that a slightly better analogy is a TCP/IP stack that has many well known ports which are open for many different protocols. There's port 80, ready to accept http traffic, port 25 open for SMTP traffic, etc.

All this data flows into this system, through the same wire, on top of UDP, but it has a different interpretation based on what protocol it is. The same rules don't apply from one protocol to another.

MIDI also roughly has the equivalent of different protocols traveling down the same cable: System and Channel.


Chris

--
                       | In theory, there is no difference between
 http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is.
     cbm@well.com      |               - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
--============_-1153451843==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 00:12:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K49Qs04266; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:09:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:09:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F19DF13.893778B8@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sounds gorgeous. I ordered a copy. On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 05:15 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > I don't remember seeing this mentioned on the list yet, amazingly > enough... > > Matthias Grob (Echoplex inventor, LoopIV software writer, etc.) has a > new CD available: > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/grob > > Soapbox time: > > If the EDP has made any sort of difference to your music at all, then > please take a couple of minutes to order this disc through the web site > above, and help support Matthias (who made the EDP possible in the > first > place) and Steve Lawson (whose label is putting it out). > > Or you could simply view it as an investment in some of the most highly > developed and beautiful live electronic music you'll find - there are > several sound clips on the web page as well. > > Well done, Matthias (and Steve)! > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 00:22:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K4K7G05103; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:20:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:20:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Matthias Grob's New CD Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:20:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't even listen to the samples. I ordered a copy. Reminds me, I was supposed to review Claude Voit's last release. That was very nice . . . Too much stuff to do--Hey, I need to create product! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 00:46:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K4iL608070; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:44:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:44:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0de501c34e7a$71d1d720$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <9F21681E-BA41-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: Drum machines an program changes Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:50:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3MQv0B.A.89B.l4hG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:35 PM Subject: Re: OT: Drum machines an program changes > On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > > > For that solution though I should go back to the FCB1010, but then I > > loose the alpa display. Tradeoffs, tradeoffs. > > It's all about tradeoffs, this life. > > > So Mark, go take a shit and read YOUR manuals! :) > > Dude, I do my best manual reading while on the toilet. ||:Read the > manual, then to mess with the gear, get stuck, read manual. Mess with > gear. Write LD message :|| It's the cycle of life. You should be a fly on my wall. Then you'd know that's what I've already been doing. > > Good gear and a high fiber diet is all I need. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 03:45:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K7ewo22378; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F1A4A6F.267305D6@erols.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:53:19 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT Adrenalinn problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is off topic, but I'm quite frustrated and I thought some people on this list might be able to help. I've had the Adrenalinn for about a year now. It's become an integral part of my live sound. I've had problems with the sound cutting out on it. I haven't had the problem in a while until recently. Last night at a gig, the sound just cut out. I just unplugged it and plugged it back in and I didn't have a problem with it for the rest of the night. Tonight however, it cut out and sent a horrible uncontrollable noise through the PA. When I unplugged it, it was fine for one tune and then it happened again. I couldn't use it for the rest of the night. Here is my set up guitar>tuner>Boss Harmonist>Tube Screamer>Adrenalinn>Countryman DI Box>Mixer with EDP in Aux Send to house PA. Part of the problem tonight migh have been that the Extension cord was plugged into an outlet with a dimmer switch. I noticed that the lights were dimming and coming back through the night. Does anybody have any ideas to solve this problem? Would it help to plug in into the power conditioner in my rack? I'd hate to stop using the Adrenalinn live. Thanks in advance, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 04:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K7x7n23501; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:59:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:59:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Matthias Grob's New CD Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:58:52 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001501c34e94$c2ee2860$862159d5@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6K7x6k23477 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/grob > > > It sounds gorgeous. I ordered a copy. Yeah, I like it too :-) And my ten year old son kept listening to it during a long train journey. He even picked two favourite tracks. Only REAL music manages to catch the attention of children like that, I believe. Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 2-10 Aug, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 04:05:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K81j323781; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 04:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 04:01:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:01:43 -0700 Subject: Re: OT Adrenalinn problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F1A4A6F.267305D6@erols.com> Message-Id: <66CAEBE0-BA88-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Couldn't hurt to try and measure the line voltage when this problem occurs. Lot's of computer gear doesn't like weird stuff like that. If that's not it I'd try calling them and getting it serviced. My brief dealings with Linn were really nice. They seem like a great company. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 12:53 AM, John Mazzarella wrote: > This is off topic, but I'm quite frustrated and I thought some people > on > this list might be able to help. I've had the Adrenalinn for about a > year now. It's become an integral part of my live sound. I've had > problems with the sound cutting out on it. I haven't had the problem > in > a while until recently. Last night at a gig, the sound just cut out. > I > just unplugged it and plugged it back in and I didn't have a problem > with it for the rest of the night. Tonight however, it cut out and > sent > a horrible uncontrollable noise through the PA. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 04:10:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K89O924486; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 04:09:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 04:09:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F1A5119.CF89B6E0@erols.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 04:21:45 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Adrenalinn problem References: <66CAEBE0-BA88-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5oe3o.A.a-F.04kG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Couldn't hurt to try and measure the line voltage when this problem > occurs. Lot's of computer gear doesn't like weird stuff like that. If > that's not it I'd try calling them and getting it serviced. My brief > dealings with Linn were really nice. They seem like a great company. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 12:53 AM, John Mazzarella wrote: > > > This is off topic, but I'm quite frustrated and I thought some people > > on > > this list might be able to help. I've had the Adrenalinn for about a > > year now. It's become an integral part of my live sound. I've had > > problems with the sound cutting out on it. I haven't had the problem > > in > > a while until recently. Last night at a gig, the sound just cut out. > > I > > just unplugged it and plugged it back in and I didn't have a problem > > with it for the rest of the night. Tonight however, it cut out and > > sent > > a horrible uncontrollable noise through the PA. Thanks Mark, I appreciate the help. I've had good dealings with Linn's tech support as well. I had problems early on with it, and they were very accomadating. By the way, I just checked out their website www.rogerlinndesign.com. Adrenalinn II is coming and it's yellow! Added filters and delay time 2.8 seconds. The adrenalinn II will now be a mini Midi synced looper! Thanks again, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 04:16:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6K8E7t24875; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 04:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 04:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030720010706.03143ac8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:15:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Crankiest LD member contest In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:23 PM 7/19/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Dude, you're so in. We should do an Oscar style LD awards where we have >categories and nominations and we could all vote for our favorite posts. I was going to try to claim the crank title, since it seemed I was being ranted at the most so surely I must have been the crankiest. But then after reading 7 or 8 more of Paul's mails I realized he had outdone us all, and surely wins the prize! Congratulations Paul! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 09:03:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KD1Ug05712; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:01:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030720130124.91593.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:01:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro & MidiBuddy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030719233446.93921.qmail@web11410.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Rich R." wrote: > No offense, but the MidiBuddy is a woefully >inadequate controller for any > decent rig, a looping rig especially. I'm not sure if you followed the thread from last week or so, but I selected it specifically *because* it's not full-featured. The person who'll be using it only needs to control some basic functions, pretty much like a DL4 with more loop time; she didn't want to get too complicated, and won't be controlling anything else but the Echo Pro with it. D-Goat's application of the two pieces of gear seemed similar to how we'll be using this, and so far, he seems to be absolutely right in his recommendation. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 09:04:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KD2W706011; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:02:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:11:01 +0200 Subject: Repeater powersupplies From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200307181448.h6IEmql29389@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3141558661_164418_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3141558661_164418_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, I bought 2 power supply units for replacement (my old one still works, but just in case...) from this company: http://www.deviceplug-ins.com/ I tested them as soon as they arrived, everything works perfectly. Julian --MS_Mac_OE_3141558661_164418_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Repeater powersupplies Hi all,

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http://www.deviceplug-ins.com/

I tested them as soon as they arrived, everything works perfectly.


Julian --MS_Mac_OE_3141558661_164418_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 10:43:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KEfK612177; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:41:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:41:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Crankiest LD member contest Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 07:41:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030720010706.03143ac8@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00342.html Lest we forget. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 10:46:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KEhwA12374; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:43:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0df001c34ece$35f0d130$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030720010706.03143ac8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Crankiest LD member contest Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:50:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:15 AM Subject: Re: Crankiest LD member contest > At 01:23 PM 7/19/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >Dude, you're so in. We should do an Oscar style LD awards where we have > >categories and nominations and we could all vote for our favorite posts. > > I was going to try to claim the crank title, since it seemed I was being > ranted at the most so surely I must have been the crankiest. > > But then after reading 7 or 8 more of Paul's mails I realized he had > outdone us all, and surely wins the prize! Congratulations Paul! Well, I have to do what I'm good at :) I AM a little crankier than normal. I'm starting a job Monday where I have to commute down into the teeth of Atlanta every morning after having worked at home for the past 5+ years with no set hours. I'm glad to have gotten the job, but the change in life makes me cranky! Paul > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 10:51:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KEmqg12605; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:48:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:48:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0e0e01c34ece$e55d6ac0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater powersupplies Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:55:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E0B_01C34EAD.5E102150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2qJKrD.A.1ED.UvqG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0E0B_01C34EAD.5E102150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Repeater powersuppliesDid you have to talk to them about this or is this = on their site somewhere? They look to me like plugin software developers for creamware DSP cards, = and not so much power supply producers. More specifics appreciated. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: julianboyd@bkmusic.de=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: Repeater powersupplies Hi all, I bought 2 power supply units for replacement (my old one still works, = but just in case...) from this company: http://www.deviceplug-ins.com/=20 I tested them as soon as they arrived, everything works perfectly. Julian ------=_NextPart_000_0E0B_01C34EAD.5E102150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Repeater powersupplies
Did you have to talk to them about this = or is this=20 on their site somewhere?
 
They look to me like plugin software = developers for=20 creamware DSP cards, and not so much power supply = producers.
 
More specifics = appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 julianboyd@bkmusic.de
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 = 9:11 AM
Subject: Repeater = powersupplies

Hi all,

I = bought 2 power=20 supply units for replacement (my old one still works, but just in = case...)=20 from this company:

http://www.deviceplug-ins.com/=20

I tested them as soon as they arrived, everything works=20 perfectly.


Julian ------=_NextPart_000_0E0B_01C34EAD.5E102150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 10:59:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KEuX913016; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:56:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:56:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0e2e01c34ecf$f7fbd8a0$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: Crankiest LD member contest Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:02:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: RE: Crankiest LD member contest > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00342.html > > Lest we forget. Hey now, das some mighty fine crankin' dere. :) > > G > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 11:19:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KFDU313817; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:13:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:13:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c34ed1$76baf080$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3F19DF13.893778B8@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:13:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias' CD is indeed very very good - though I've got to say, I didn't 'release' the CD... Matthias did it all himself, but asked, due to the common musical ground between my CDs and his, to use the Pillow Mountain Records name, which I was more than happy to have happen. It's a great CD, and I'm sure that most people who like what I do will enjoy Matthias' music. So in fact, all I've really done is put up a page on the Pillow Mountain Records website... ;o) http://www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk BTW, while we're talking about CD sales, if you're wanting to get mine, you can buy all three through gemm.com with free shipping worldwide at the moment... go to my site and click special offers for more info - www.stevelawson.net - I'm also pretty close to selling out of 'and nothing but the bass', my debut CD, so if you're wanting a copy of that, you'd better get in quick! :o) the next CD out on the label with by a loopalicious duo CD, of me with sax/flautist, Theo Travis, who some of you will have seen play at the looping gigs in Cambridge and Norwich. He's an oustanding musician, and I'm really loving the stuff that we've recorded together... There's one (fairly loopless) MP3 on my website at the moment, if you want a listen, with more to follow... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: Matthias Grob's New CD > I don't remember seeing this mentioned on the list yet, amazingly enough... > > Matthias Grob (Echoplex inventor, LoopIV software writer, etc.) has a > new CD available: > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/grob > > Soapbox time: > > If the EDP has made any sort of difference to your music at all, then > please take a couple of minutes to order this disc through the web site > above, and help support Matthias (who made the EDP possible in the first > place) and Steve Lawson (whose label is putting it out). > > Or you could simply view it as an investment in some of the most highly > developed and beautiful live electronic music you'll find - there are > several sound clips on the web page as well. > > Well done, Matthias (and Steve)! > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 11:43:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KFgDG15843; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:42:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030720154207.16488.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: RE: Crankiest LD member contest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-842486311-1058715727=:15718" Resent-Message-ID: <28LeY.A.b3D.VhrG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-842486311-1058715727=:15718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii damn! i missed that one...at least he's honest. -jim --0-842486311-1058715727=:15718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

damn!  i missed that one...at least he's honest.

-jim

--0-842486311-1058715727=:15718-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 12:17:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KGERp18178; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1a5.170b7033.2c4c19d7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:14:15 EDT Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6KGEQk18149 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Matthias' CD is rather nice. Very different from a lot the other stuff I've been listening to lately. I plan on purchasing a copy as soon as I have a little more discretionary income and would certainly recommend that the rest of y'all check it out. There are basically 2 kinds of music played in our house. 1: the kind where my wife says turn that gawdawful racket down it's giving me a headache or 2: Oooooooh that's nice! What is it? Matthias' disc definitely falls into the later. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 12:56:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KGsio21558; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030720165443.20357.qmail@web21512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Echo Pro & MidiBuddy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F1A04C8.1010102@quik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could this be a problem with how the midibuddy is set to. I have the MidiWizard and you can set the program changes to start at 01 or 00. For example - this would mean if I want to access program 1 on the Line 6 and have the MidiWizard set to 00 I would actually need to step on --- dgoat wrote: > Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > However, I'm noticing that the functions are > different > > than described in the Line6 manual for programs > > 101-105. I actually prefer the way it's working > (which > > is exactly as DG described, with most of the > useful > > functions lined up on the controller's bottom > row). > > > The functions, rather than corresponding to their > > descriptions in the manual, are more like the > > notations on the Echo Pro's front panel. > > > > 101: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RPSPS) > > 102: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RSPSP) > > 103: does nothing (manual says: Record Only) > > 104: Stop (manual says: Overdub Only) > > 105: Record/Overdub (manual says: Stop Only) > > 106: Play/Stop (same as manual) > > 107: Play Once (same as manual) > > 108: Half Speed (same as manual) > > 109: Reverse (same as manual) > > I don't think the problem is with the midibuddy, but > with the line6 > manual. The descriptions for prog changes 101 and > 102 are accurate. > Don't forget that the looper must be reset for them > to begin recording, > rather than simply toggle on/off. > > The description for prog change 104 (Looper Overdub > only) actually > belongs to prog 103. The description for prog 105 > belongs to prog 104. > Prog 105 works just like button 1 (far left) on the > DL4, which is > record/overdub/play/overdub/play/etc. > > However, if you use 101 - 104, or 106 to turn the > loop off, then when > you hit 105 again, it starts back at the top with > record, wiping out > whatever loop was in memory. > > Hope this helps. > > D.G. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 12:58:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KGtdo21668; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:55:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030720165537.68253.qmail@web21511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Squid Loop Subject: Re: Echo Pro & MidiBuddy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F1A04C8.1010102@quik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3BVMoB.A.cSF.KmsG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about that last incomplete e-mail. As I was writing I came to the conclusion that I was wrong and instead of delete I pressed send ... --- dgoat wrote: > Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > However, I'm noticing that the functions are > different > > than described in the Line6 manual for programs > > 101-105. I actually prefer the way it's working > (which > > is exactly as DG described, with most of the > useful > > functions lined up on the controller's bottom > row). > > > The functions, rather than corresponding to their > > descriptions in the manual, are more like the > > notations on the Echo Pro's front panel. > > > > 101: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RPSPS) > > 102: seems to be Play/Stop (manual says: RSPSP) > > 103: does nothing (manual says: Record Only) > > 104: Stop (manual says: Overdub Only) > > 105: Record/Overdub (manual says: Stop Only) > > 106: Play/Stop (same as manual) > > 107: Play Once (same as manual) > > 108: Half Speed (same as manual) > > 109: Reverse (same as manual) > > I don't think the problem is with the midibuddy, but > with the line6 > manual. The descriptions for prog changes 101 and > 102 are accurate. > Don't forget that the looper must be reset for them > to begin recording, > rather than simply toggle on/off. > > The description for prog change 104 (Looper Overdub > only) actually > belongs to prog 103. The description for prog 105 > belongs to prog 104. > Prog 105 works just like button 1 (far left) on the > DL4, which is > record/overdub/play/overdub/play/etc. > > However, if you use 101 - 104, or 106 to turn the > loop off, then when > you hit 105 again, it starts back at the top with > record, wiping out > whatever loop was in memory. > > Hope this helps. > > D.G. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 14:31:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KIM9027965; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:22:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:22:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F1ADDF9.5090605@spnz.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:22:49 -0500 From: Dave Stagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Bass Hum References: <002f01c34d85$b0839b70$0e715c0c@gardner4njmx9q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com redrum123 wrote: > (sorry this is so off topic, but you guys are uberhelpful and informative) > > I've had my acoustic bass for not even a month, and there is a rather severe > noise issue using the pickup (it has a Fishman Classic4 preamp). I think it > is a new problem, I don't remember having this level of noise on the line > before. I have the guitar running into an Ultra-DI box (by Behringer), and > then into an AB switch to my EDP. I've tested the guitar by running it > straight into my Tube Preamp, and even straight into a mixer, using either > an instrument cable or an XLR to 8th-inch cable, and the noise is > consistent. I can get rid of the noise by touching the guitar and the DI > (or mixer or preamp), so the instrument should be capable of much less > noise. Also, I've found that if I touch the metal of the cable connector on > the guitar, the noise disappears. I had a similar problem with a Fishman bridge piezo. Turned out the shielding was broken on the pickup itself. Nothing that can be done except to change the piezo element. :( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 14:38:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KIZt429087; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:35:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:35:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030720183542.89610.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:35:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo Pro & MidiBuddy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030720165443.20357.qmail@web21512.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7Xo95C.A.WGH.LEuG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Squid Loop wrote: > Could this be a problem with how the midibuddy is > set to? I don't think so. 1) I've tried it both ways, and 2) if that were the case, I think ALL of the functions would be off by 1. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 14:51:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KIlom29967; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:47:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030720113708.0220d678@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:49:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Resetting all loops on Brothersync'ed EDPs the easy way In-Reply-To: <9B456820-BA3A-11D7-A032-000A959EE44C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 03:44 PM 7/19/2003, Travis wrote: >Supposing you've got two EDPs connected via Brothersync acting as >synchronized mono loopers, not as a stereo pair. What's the quickest way >to reset both of them completely without cycling the power. Doing a global reset on both is quickest. Instant if you use midi. >After I've been using them for a while (each one is set to two loops), >I'll decide that I want to clear everything out. I thought that a long >Record followed by a long Multiply on each machine would do it, that's right. >but that's not always the case. As a result, when I go to start recording >my new "base" loop (the first one that determines the minimum cycle length >and musical foundation of the piece), instead of going instantly into >record when I press the Record button, it goes into the waiting mode, like >it's waiting for a startpoint from the other machine. I wasn't able to reproduce that. both of them always reset the sync whenever I did a reset or a global reset on both. You'll need to give more information about what you are doing, like parameter settings, exact sequence of events etc. In any case, if a unit is receiving sync while in reset you should see a time displayed in the LoopTime window, the tempo LEDs should be flashing, and the sync indicator LED will blink each time a brother pulse comes. If you are not getting all that then it has nothing to do with sync. Another important thing you will see is the Overdub LED comes on Orange. When a unit is reset and sync is present, this indicates the Overdub button has a special function of "ignore sync". If you press the Overdub button, the echoplex will ignore the incoming sync and you can freely record any length. Maybe this will be helpful if you find yourself in situations where there is a mysterious sync coming and you need to start a new loop without it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 15:25:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KJM3632027; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:22:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:22:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030720120827.038bd188@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:23:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Buy one EDP, get the 2nd for half price! In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030718230139.04aebce8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:27 AM 7/19/2003, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 11:08 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >> >>this whole thread is absurd, by the way. > >Absurd because a hardware stereo looper will never be a viable product in >our lifetimes, or absurd because Gibson has no plans to ever further >develop the EDP (beyond making it CE compliant)? sorry, didn't mean stereo was absurd. Absurd because tacking two echoplexes together in the same chassis would be a high assembly cost, while reducing the volumes for each variant. So the overall cost of this one frankenstein unit would be more than the cost of two of the current units which reduces the profit margin. It would also increase the cost of the existing unit. There is no reason to do it, the economics don't make sense. Some of you guys continue to make the mistake of thinking the price you pay for things relates to the cost to make it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 16:47:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KKduR03998; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <151.21e69f34.2c4c5806@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:39:34 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Bass Hum / piezos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_151.21e69f34.2c4c5806_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: <5m-KcD.A.W-.c4vG_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_151.21e69f34.2c4c5806_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/03 11:22:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dave@spnz.org writes: > redrum123 wrote: > >(sorry this is so off topic, but you guys are uberhelpful and informative) > > > >I've had my acoustic bass for not even a month, and there is a rather > severe > >noise issue using the pickup (it has a Fishman Classic4 preamp). I think > it > >is a new problem, I don't remember having this level of noise on the line > >before. I have the guitar running into an Ultra-DI box (by Behringer), and > >then into an AB switch to my EDP. I've tested the guitar by running it > >straight into my Tube Preamp, and even straight into a mixer, using either > >an instrument cable or an XLR to 8th-inch cable, and the noise is > >consistent. I can get rid of the noise by touching the guitar and the DI > >(or mixer or preamp), so the instrument should be capable of much less > >noise. Also, I've found that if I touch the metal of the cable connector > on > >the guitar, the noise disappears. > > I had a similar problem with a Fishman bridge piezo. Turned out the > shielding was broken on the pickup itself. Nothing that can be done > except to change the piezo element. :( > If that's what's really wrong (and I think that's likely from my experience with making my own piezo pickups) and you don't have warranty support on the pickup, you may be able to re-solder the connection to the piezo element yourself or get someone who's good at soldering to do it. For those who haven't played with piezo pickups, or would like to, for cheap: Piezo "buzzers" sold for a couple bucks each at electronics parts suppliers like Radio Shack are easy to turn into low-cost pickups. Just cut the plastic case away from the piezo disk and solder a shielded cable to the disk. The shield goes to the larger brass "carrier" disk, the hot lead goes to the smaller disk of piezo material deposited on the brass carrier. The shield connection is no problem, strength-wise, but the hot connection to the piezo part is fragile. That connection will often physically break off, taking off part of the piezo with it. That doesn't really hurt anything or change any important audio characteristics of the pickup. Just heat up the hot audio lead and re-solder it to any part of the smaller disk layer. Just touching a soldering iron (use lots of flux to get a clean connection) to the hot, tinned wire and the piezo disk simultaneously should be enough to make the connection. If you hold a hot iron on the piezo part too long it will damage it, so keep soldering time to around half a second or so. There are some variations in electronic specs listed for these "buzzers", but most will make some kind of interesting pickup. Hope this inspires some experimentation. Tim --part1_151.21e69f34.2c4c5806_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/20/03 11:22:53 AM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, dave@spnz.org writes:

redrum123 wrote:
>(sorry this is so off topic, but you guys are uberhelpful and informativ= e)
>
>I've had my acoustic bass for not even a month, and there is a rather se= vere
>noise issue using the pickup (it has a Fishman Classic4 preamp).  I= think it
>is a new problem, I don't remember having this level of noise on the lin= e
>before.  I have the guitar running into an Ultra-DI box (by Behring= er), and
>then into an AB switch to my EDP.  I've tested the guitar by runnin= g it
>straight into my Tube Preamp, and even straight into a mixer, using eith= er
>an instrument cable or an XLR to 8th-inch cable, and the noise is
>consistent.  I can get rid of the noise by touching the guitar and=20= the DI
>(or mixer or preamp), so the instrument should be capable of much less >noise.  Also, I've found that if I touch the metal of the cable con= nector on
>the guitar, the noise disappears.

I had a similar problem with a Fishman bridge piezo.  Turned out the shielding was broken on the pickup itself.  Nothing that can be done except to change the piezo element. :(


If that's what's really wrong (and I think that's likely from my experience=20= with making my own piezo pickups) and you don't have warranty support on the= pickup, you may be able to re-solder the  connection to the piezo elem= ent yourself or get someone who's good at soldering to do it.

For those who haven't played with piezo pickups, or would like to, for cheap= :

Piezo "buzzers" sold for a couple bucks each at electronics parts suppliers=20= like Radio Shack are easy to turn into low-cost pickups. Just cut the plasti= c case away from the piezo disk and solder a shielded cable to the disk. The= shield goes to the larger brass "carrier" disk, the hot lead goes to the sm= aller disk of piezo material deposited on the brass carrier. The shield conn= ection is no problem, strength-wise, but the hot connection to the piezo par= t is fragile. That connection will often physically break off, taking off pa= rt of the piezo with it. That doesn't really hurt anything or change any imp= ortant audio characteristics of the pickup. Just heat up the hot audio lead=20= and re-solder it to any part of the smaller disk layer. Just touching a sold= ering iron (use lots of flux to get a clean connection) to the hot, tinned w= ire and the piezo disk simultaneously should be enough to make the connectio= n. If you hold a hot iron on the piezo part too long it will damage it, so k= eep soldering time to around half a second or so.

There are some variations in electronic specs listed for these "buzzers", bu= t most will make some kind of interesting pickup.

Hope this inspires some experimentation.

Tim --part1_151.21e69f34.2c4c5806_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 17:32:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6KLUwc06770; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:30:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:30:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <028b01c34f06$2f4eb030$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: All Access CC assignment Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:30:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0288_01C34F0E.90F41E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2003 21:30:55.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[33D1C750:01C34F06] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0288_01C34F0E.90F41E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, i have this problems and seeing as there seems to be a few users = around here .................. =20 Im struggling to assign different CC assignment on a per patch basis, i = know it can be done becuase i contacted roktron before i bought the damn = thing, however whenever i change the valueit is assigned to it changes = globally. Any idea what i am doing wrong ? cheers David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.davidswain.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0288_01C34F0E.90F41E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, i have this problems and seeing = as there=20 seems to be a few users around here ..................
   
Im struggling to assign different CC = assignment=20 on a per patch basis, i know it can be done becuase i contacted roktron = before i=20 bought the damn thing, however whenever i change the valueit is assigned = to it=20 changes globally. Any idea what i am doing wrong ?
 
cheers
 
David Swain
 
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
= http://www.davidswain= .pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0288_01C34F0E.90F41E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 21:51:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6L1ngn26826; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:49:42 -0500 Message-ID: <015001c34f2a$5b5ce060$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030720120827.038bd188@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i assume you are talking about the cc pedal inputs... you have to set the pedal for global pedals or per patch i sold my allaccess and i forget which page it's on, but i'm pretty sure it's in the setup page where you set global/perpreset for the instant access switches, and you just scroll to pedal1 or pedal2 (i think you can set this separately so one is global and one changes per preset) excellent pedal, btw. too bad they never made a pc editor program for it... >>>>>> >Hi, i have this problems and seeing as there seems to be a few users around here >.................. > >Im struggling to assign different CC assignment on a per patch basis, >i know it can be done >becuase i contacted roktron before i bought the >damn thing, however whenever i change the >>>valueit is assigned to it >changes globally. Any idea what i am doing wrong ? > >cheers > >David Swain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 21:56:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6L1sYt27251; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:54:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:54:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <038301c34f2b$016d8a90$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <015001c34f2a$5b5ce060$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: All Access CC assignment Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 02:54:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2003 01:54:32.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[07C67320:01C34F2B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com JIM = Lifesaver cheers mate, been looking everywhere but there ! (and now i can find it in the manual as well ...............) I take it your just using the behringer now?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:49 AM Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment > i assume you are talking about the cc pedal inputs... > you have to set the pedal for global pedals or per patch > > i sold my allaccess and i forget which page it's on, > but i'm pretty sure it's in the setup page where you > set global/perpreset for the instant access switches, > and you just scroll to pedal1 or pedal2 > (i think you can set this separately so one is global and > one changes per preset) > > excellent pedal, btw. too bad they never made a pc editor > program for it... > > > > >>>>>> > >Hi, i have this problems and seeing as there seems to be a few users around here > >.................. > > > >Im struggling to assign different CC assignment on a per patch basis, > >i know it can be done >becuase i contacted roktron before i bought the > >damn thing, however whenever i change the >>>valueit is assigned to it > >changes globally. Any idea what i am doing wrong ? > > > >cheers > > > >David Swain > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 22:17:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6L2FEp28949; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:15:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:15:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:15:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Check out Kaoss Entrancer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <97.3bcd1f7a.2c4af6f6@aol.com> Message-Id: <290EE2A8-BB21-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW. Too cool. That's a thing I'd love to experiment with if I didn't have a million other things to experiment with on my list! My friend Gary Hesse has an old Amiga with a video live board that does some pretty cool/cheesy video effects. I'm sure this is going to be amazing. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 12:33 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > please make it stop!..... Click here: Kaoss Entrancer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 22:21:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6L2IqA29490; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:18:54 -0500 Message-ID: <015501c34f2e$6f0319f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <038301c34f2b$016d8a90$6401a8c0@p4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > JIM = Lifesaver > wow, i don't think i've ever felt so round and sweet... > cheers mate, been looking everywhere but there ! (and now i > can find it in the manual as well ...............) I take it > your just using the behringer now?? nope. i'm currently building my own pedal. it will have some cool features, but i was recently laid off, so it may be a while before i get it finished as i get my scattered life together. the behringer looks cool for cheap. very limited, though, compared to the allaccess. even the allaccess is limited compared to what is possible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Palmer" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:49 AM > Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment > > > > i assume you are talking about the cc pedal inputs... > > you have to set the pedal for global pedals or per patch > > > > i sold my allaccess and i forget which page it's on, > > but i'm pretty sure it's in the setup page where you > > set global/perpreset for the instant access switches, > > and you just scroll to pedal1 or pedal2 > > (i think you can set this separately so one is global and > > one changes per preset) > > > > excellent pedal, btw. too bad they never made a pc editor > program for > > it... > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > >Hi, i have this problems and seeing as there seems to be a > few users > around here > > >.................. > > > > > >Im struggling to assign different CC assignment on a per > patch basis, > > >i know it can be done >becuase i contacted roktron before i bought > > >the damn thing, however whenever i change the >>>valueit > is assigned > > >to it changes globally. Any idea what i am doing wrong ? > > > > > >cheers > > > > > >David Swain > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 22:26:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6L2OJa30104; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:24:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:24:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03bf01c34f2f$2a8dd020$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <015501c34f2e$6f0319f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: All Access CC assignment Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:24:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2003 02:24:16.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F27F1B0:01C34F2F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow sounds pretty cool man, sorry to hear about you being laid off - that sucks ! What kinda thing you going for then with the pedal ?>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:18 AM Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment > > > > JIM = Lifesaver > > > > wow, i don't think i've ever felt so round and sweet... > > > cheers mate, been looking everywhere but there ! (and now i > > can find it in the manual as well ...............) I take it > > your just using the behringer now?? > > nope. i'm currently building my own pedal. > it will have some cool features, but i was > recently laid off, so it may be a while before > i get it finished as i get my scattered life together. > > the behringer looks cool for cheap. > very limited, though, compared to the allaccess. > even the allaccess is limited compared to what > is possible. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Palmer" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:49 AM > > Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment > > > > > > > i assume you are talking about the cc pedal inputs... > > > you have to set the pedal for global pedals or per patch > > > > > > i sold my allaccess and i forget which page it's on, > > > but i'm pretty sure it's in the setup page where you > > > set global/perpreset for the instant access switches, > > > and you just scroll to pedal1 or pedal2 > > > (i think you can set this separately so one is global and > > > one changes per preset) > > > > > > excellent pedal, btw. too bad they never made a pc editor > > program for > > > it... > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > >Hi, i have this problems and seeing as there seems to be a > > few users > > around here > > > >.................. > > > > > > > >Im struggling to assign different CC assignment on a per > > patch basis, > > > >i know it can be done >becuase i contacted roktron before i bought > > > >the damn thing, however whenever i change the >>>valueit > > is assigned > > > >to it changes globally. Any idea what i am doing wrong ? > > > > > > > >cheers > > > > > > > >David Swain > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 22:43:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6L2fJq31844; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:41:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:41:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:41:21 -0500 Message-ID: <015601c34f31$91f88140$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <03bf01c34f2f$2a8dd020$6401a8c0@p4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one feature that will be real useful to loopers, if i can get it working, is motorized cc pedals. they will be assignable per preset and remember where they were when you last used that preset. this will be great for feedback for example. if you were adjusting some other thing, like delay rate, and then switched to control feedback, you would have a glitch in your loop with ordinary foot controllers. i have other ideas in the works but that's the problem i was working on a few months ago when things got hairy on the work front. been scrambling a bit, but i think things will work out for the better... > > > Wow sounds pretty cool man, sorry to hear about you being > laid off - that sucks ! What kinda thing you going for then > with the pedal ?>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 22:47:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6L2kLP32514; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:46:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03c901c34f32$3d36b360$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <015601c34f31$91f88140$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: All Access CC assignment Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:46:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2003 02:46:19.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[433E95C0:01C34F32] Resent-Message-ID: <0Xrws.A.57H.8P1G_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds excellent you thinking of marketing them /? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:41 AM Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment > one feature that will be real useful to loopers, > if i can get it working, is motorized cc pedals. > they will be assignable per preset and remember > where they were when you last used that preset. > this will be great for feedback for example. > if you were adjusting some other thing, like > delay rate, and then switched to control feedback, > you would have a glitch in your loop with ordinary > foot controllers. > > i have other ideas in the works but that's the > problem i was working on a few months ago when > things got hairy on the work front. been scrambling > a bit, but i think things will work out for the better... > > > > > > > Wow sounds pretty cool man, sorry to hear about you being > > laid off - that sucks ! What kinda thing you going for then > > with the pedal ?>> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 20 23:17:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6L3E6s02045; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:14:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:14:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F1B5AEF.402456FE@helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:15:59 -0400 From: Legion@helpwantedproductions.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Check out Kaoss Entrancer References: <290EE2A8-BB21-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw this a few days ago and was thinking the same thing about the old atari unit. is there an online demo of the video effects of this anywhere? I'm dying to see one in action! > > please make it stop!..... Click here: Kaoss Entrancer http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM03/Content/Korg/PR/Kaoss-Entrancer.html > WOW. Too cool. That's a thing I'd love to experiment with if I didn't > have a million other things to experiment with on my list! My friend Gary > Hesse has an old Amiga with a video live board that does some pretty > cool/cheesy video effects. I'm sure this is going to be amazing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 07:16:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LBEtX29252; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:14:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:14:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0e9401c34f7a$2d68e780$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <9FB4C38C-B8B8-11D7-B019-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <0bd801c34d37$fdbc6c30$0600a8c0@money2> <3F1804CD.40104@optonline.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030718130008.03e81e80@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030719105141.04202928@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:21:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3ZHeED.A.8IH.vs8G_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >What about the case where a person is sending MIDI > >program changes to the beat box via a MIDI foot controller that only > >supports one midi channel > > that person should not be trying to control two devices with that > controller. That's basic. The whole point of the channels in midi is that > each device gets its own channel. One more thing I'll add to this before de-craking myself out into commute traffic... My original thinking of this was that I was in a sense controlling the Repeater with the DR770 in terms of MIDI clock, hence the tendancy to put them on the same channel. I suspect that's a mistake that's been made a-plenty. Thinking of where I was when I was struggling with this, I already had different devices set on different channels. The TC G-Major for instance is on a different channel. However, I admit I was originally off the ball in not allowing the the MIDI clock is global and that I don't need to match channels to use it. Paul "gotta-get-the-last-word" Sanders From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 10:17:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LEFK711100; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:15:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:15:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01ac01c34f92$859638a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <03c901c34f32$3d36b360$6401a8c0@p4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1vubxB.A.UtC.4V_G_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm not sure i can. making something work and optimizing it for manufacturing are two different things. i think the market would be pretty small, so they would wind up very expensive... i have thought about making it an open source type project and tying it in with this guys stuff: http://www.ucapps.de/index.html i think this is a more likely path... > > sounds excellent you thinking of marketing them /? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 10:36:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LESKY12069; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:28:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:28:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Check out Kaoss Entrancer Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:28:22 -0500 Message-ID: <01b401c34f94$56ee7c90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <290EE2A8-BB21-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, i used to use a live board. i would actually use it to capture video and cut out parts by hand to superimpose on other things i had capture/created. (at the time, i thought i had invented the technique) very grungy looking. 6 bit color, ~10 fps. fast stuff would smear in the coolest ways. that was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. ahhh, nostalgia isn't what it used to be... >... >... My friend > Gary Hesse has an old Amiga with a video live board that does some > pretty cool/cheesy video effects. I'm sure this is going to > be amazing. > > Mark Sottilaro >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 10:43:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LEfmR13287; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:41:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Check out Kaoss Entrancer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01b401c34f94$56ee7c90$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <74EB4F82-BB89-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, July 21, 2003, at 07:28 AM, Jim Palmer wrote: > very grungy looking. 6 bit color, ~10 fps. > fast stuff would smear in the coolest ways. Right. Each channel (RGB) would have a slight lag. Cool look though. Some of that old gear had great quirky qualities. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 11:06:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LExqA14749; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:59:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:59:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:59:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: new "toy" for me: korg kaoss pad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9i6JJD.A.UmD.o__G_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just got a new (for me) on sat: the original korg kaoss pad. wow, a fun effects box! i can see why people recommended it's filters, they make my guitar do some "wacky" things! and yesterday i was doing a little recording with it, trying to finish a track w/ some 'prepared guitar' stuff on it, and tried out the 5 sec sampler. recorded a random bit w/ guitar and just had fun looping that, and then playing it backwards, stuttering it, playing it slowly, etc....it definately acts like an instrument... thanks to all who recommended getting one when i was inquiring about new gear a while back.... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 11:30:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LFSF216730; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:28:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:28:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F1C0687.3040606@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:28:08 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper Shirts - 2nd Printing References: <200307201452.h6KEqAk12819@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200307201452.h6KEqAk12819@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because of a mixup with a single long sleeve, I will have to do another printing of the Looper Shirts. If you regretted not getting one before, now is your chance. Please let me know ASAP, so I can get Jimmy George the shirt he has been so patiently waiting for... thanks! http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-2003.html -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 13:21:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LHGxA27532; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:16:51 -0700 Subject: Re: new "toy" for me: korg kaoss pad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1E7F1DB0-BB9F-11D7-BAED-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll take some credit! I love my KAOSS pad. My wife loved my first one so much she stole it from me. Forced me to have to get the KAOSS II (OK, she did buy it for me for Christmas, cuz she's sweet that way) but I still barrow her KAOSS sometimes for extra extra loop mangeling. The thing about the KAOSS II that makes it such a beautiful looper is that the sample function is available *all the time* and you've got two of them. This means you can sample in any patch you want and use that patch to effect the sample while it loops. I did a whole show with Das (I think he should have won crankiest LD member. Is he still here?) and the Big City Orchestra gang using only KAOSS pads and some homemade instruments. Was really fun. Mark On Monday, July 21, 2003, at 07:59 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > i just got a new (for me) on sat: the original korg kaoss pad. > wow, a fun effects box! > i can see why people recommended it's filters, they make my > guitar do some "wacky" things! > and yesterday i was doing a little recording with it, trying > to finish a track w/ some 'prepared guitar' stuff on it, and > tried out the 5 sec sampler. recorded a random bit w/ guitar > and just had fun looping that, and then playing it backwards, > stuttering it, playing it slowly, etc....it definately > acts like an instrument... > thanks to all who recommended getting one when > i was inquiring about new gear a while back.... > s--- > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 13:29:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LHT6928525; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:28:54 +0200 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: for Steve Lawson (excuse me) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7Qm9BB.A.k9G.iLCH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve sorry I've to contact you here but your e-mail boxes are bouncing my messages very strange... this is on the message I have on return http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?213.140.2.42 it says my server (one of the biggest cable ISP) in Italy is blacklisted bah? unfortunately the EDP still didnt' show at my horizon you said one week maximum, didn't you? so should be before wednesday let's hope they're in time, I should leave next friday... do you know if there's any way to track it and find out where it is? just in case thanks, bye b:k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 15:33:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LJWDw08339; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:40:44 +0200 Subject: Re: Re: Repeater powersupplies From: To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul, I got the address from a guitar player that I frequently work with. So I did email them directly. I assume it is also somewhere mentioned on their site but I knew what I wanted and specifically asked for the power supply. Julian From: "Paul Sanders" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:55:01 -0400 To: Subject: Re: Repeater powersupplies Did you have to talk to them about this or is this on their site somewhere? They look to me like plugin software developers for creamware DSP cards, and not so much power supply producers. More specifics appreciated. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: julianboyd@bkmusic.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: Repeater powersupplies Hi all, I bought 2 power supply units for replacement (my old one still works, but just in case...) from this company: http://www.deviceplug-ins.com/ I tested them as soon as they arrived, everything works perfectly. Julian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 15:39:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LJaqm08882; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:36:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:36:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c34fbf$69b9fbd0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <01ac01c34f92$859638a0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: All Access CC assignment Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:36:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2003 19:36:51.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EBB91C0:01C34FBF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well good luck man, sounds a fantasic idea ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palmer" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: RE: All Access CC assignment > i'm not sure i can. > making something work and optimizing it for > manufacturing are two different things. > i think the market would be pretty small, > so they would wind up very expensive... > > i have thought about making it an open source type > project and tying it in with this guys stuff: > > http://www.ucapps.de/index.html > > i think this is a more likely path... > > > > > > sounds excellent you thinking of marketing them /? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 21 16:36:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6LKXci15084; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:33:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:33:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:38:14 -0500 Subject: FS: 32-sec JamMan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <404881F6-BBBB-11D7-B4E4-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-xoyjB.A.krD.i4EH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a 32-second JamMan which i would like to sell. it's in extremely nice condition, and includes the footswitch and powersupply. i'd like to get $400 for it, and i'm located near Chicago. thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 00:35:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6M4Xp622215; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:33:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:33:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle}: Tiktok (and friends) at the Contour, Wednesday July 23 From: Travis To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing a chill get-your-evening-started set with a DJ (Jamison Bourque--he's never told me his secret DJ name) and (probably) a bassist (Martin Fischer) this Wednesday, July 23rd, at the Contour (807 1st Avenue, Seattle), between 9 and 10PM, before the hard house dancing frenzy breaks out. Admission is free. I'll be the guy with the guitar and the EDP. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 01:08:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6M57fL24940; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:07:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:07:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:07:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: New/Help with EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just rejoined this list after an absence of several months. The reason I rejoined? I finally got an EDP. That's the good news. Now the bad... I have a couple newbie questions, basically. I'm having some difficulties getting things working the way I'd like. I was wondering if any kind soul would be willing to help me out privately with a couple of these dilemmas. I don't really want to clutter up list space with all the details, but here are the sorts of issues I'm confronting: 1) I've got a question or two about where to place the EDP in my rig. I want to be able to play a clean loop (or a loop using 'x', 'y' and 'z' fx...or whatever) and then play over it using *different* fxs. Simple Ex: Record a clean chord progression, loop it, and then play over it using a patch from my TC G-Force and/or distortion pedals. So far I'm not running my fx properly to be able to do so. Whatever fxs I add are *also* being added to the original loop. 2) Running the EDP with two amps, one of which has an fx loop, and one of which doesn't. This, too, is causing me a headache. Do I get an A/B switch for my amps (I prob. need one anyway)? Do I run the EDP through my Boogie's fx loop? Should I send the loop to one amp only? Or both? If so, how? And so on. As I said, I need to get these basic issues solved, so I can really get up and running and start getting the sounds I want. So if anyone else has encountered--and solved--similar problems, I'd greatly apprecate some help. I know there's a number of FAQs at loopersdelight.com. A quick glance didn't turn up exactly what I was looking for, but maybe my answers are there somehwere? Many thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 05:58:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6M9uEj11514; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:56:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:56:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c35037$52269730$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:55:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <-9ZSYC.A.tzC.9oQH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah I sent 5 or 6 CDs to LD members all around the world for review and got NO fucking review Thanks guys Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 09:28:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MDORQ25803; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:24:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:24:29 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c35054$950fc720$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <005101c35037$52269730$0100a8c0@black> Resent-Message-ID: <1NkOqB.A.DTG.LsTH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe the crankiest ld member contest wasn't such a great idea. wait, strike that. THAT CRANKIEST LD MEMBER CONTEST SUCKS ASS!!! that's better... > > Yeah > > I sent 5 or 6 CDs to LD members all around the world for > review and got NO fucking review > > Thanks guys > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 09:50:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MDfk726832; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:41:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:41:40 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c35056$fb11c080$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <005101c35037$52269730$0100a8c0@black> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0qLrBB.A.IjG.a8TH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Take it easy. Such language belongs somewhere else. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 5:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Yeah I sent 5 or 6 CDs to LD members all around the world for review and got NO fucking review Thanks guys Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 10:24:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MENm930118; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:23:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:23:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:23:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005101c35037$52269730$0100a8c0@black> Resent-Message-ID: <9n7qDB.A.dWH.zjUH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit Yeah I sent 5 or 6 CDs to LD members all around the world for review and got NO fucking review Thanks guys Claude And I replied shamefully-- Claude sent me TWO CDs so i guess I'd better put some blinking time into it-- However, the rest of you can feel free . . . Oh heck, here's the short version! *Ahem* Claude Voit's See What? is a collection of solo recordings made in the studio but utilizing no conventional overdubbing. All of the multitracking is done live, the same way you would experience it in a concert setting, using the latest electronic technology. These 11 tunes encompass a wide range of styles, from folk to jazz to world beat, featuring Claude playing acoustic and synthesizer guitar. Claude uses the Echoplex Digital Pro, a piece of gear that enables him to capture his live playing and fashion it into compositions. The first piece, Ipoulkapek, for example, starts with a simple six note motif that becomes a full blown dance number 2 and a half minutes into the recording. The rest of the collection is filled with adventurous and playful moments. Walking Ben, the fifth track is a Travis-style guitar piece that actually starts with the sound of a guitar pick being scraped along a wound string percussively. This short sample becomes the foundation for a rather sprightly and much more mellow trip to the country. Rever devant le plongeoir, the third track, has a "Spaghetti Western" feel; El Faro, number six, starts with backward guitar, makes a feedback excursion and becomes a medium tempo techno track, and Zamazama, the eighth tune, has an African flavor. This CD is well recorded and a great showcase for the talents of Mr. Voit. It would be quite a treat to actually experience this live to "See What" he's doing to create this rich tapestry of sound. That's all for now--sorry it took so long, Claude. So where's the next CD (just KIDDING) gARY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 10:36:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MEYGb31294; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:34:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:34:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com david coffin sent me a "demo cd" of his explorations of using the Reaktor 4 as a gtr processor. WOW! if you love effects mangling and have a computer, that sounds like the route to go!!! (i don't have a home computer so i guess i can only dream...). the filters sound incredible, as does the pitch shifting and delays. it really does some incredible guitar mangling, to the point that you wonder if it's guitar anymore, b/c it sounds like keyboard exploration. but that's stuff i like (for some strange reason). at times some of the effects sound similar to what i've seen henry kaiser do w/ his eventide h3000 processor w/ the band pass effects, etc... and i think from the sheet that david sent w/ the "demo cd" says that some of the plugins are based on eventide effects. so if you have an eventide unit maybe you don't need to do sound processing w/ software? but i will say that david's cd definately shows what reaktor 4 can do w/ guitar in processing, etc. s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 10:59:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MEw5p01021; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:58:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds great... but what about the rest of us? David, can you post some examples somewhere? I'm curious... Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 07:34 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > david coffin sent me a "demo cd" of > his explorations of using the Reaktor 4 as a gtr processor. > WOW! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 11:00:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MEr3400605; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:53:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:53:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:53:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005101c35037$52269730$0100a8c0@black> Message-Id: <3121AE82-BC54-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <5ob2l.A.UJ.O_UH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I learned a long time ago that people you write to on the internet should not be confused as your friends. I have found some good people here and in other places (I met my wife on Yahoo personals!) but I don't count on it. I did a review of a CD a while ago where the guy sent out 5 CDs. I seem to remember reading a bunch of reviews of it as well as mine. If you'd still like your CD reviewed I'd do it for you. No need to send a disc if you've got MP3s somewhere. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 02:55 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > Yeah > > I sent 5 or 6 CDs to LD members all around the world for review and got > NO fucking review > > Thanks guys > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 11:07:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MEvrg00968; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:57:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:57:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c35061$b0424a10$5e6e7680@NShortway> From: "Nick Shortway" To: References: Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:58:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <369X6D.A.BP.xDVH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you know how he connects by any chance? I've been interested in trying this for a while, but I have been reluctant. Thanks -Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Hansen" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor > david coffin sent me a "demo cd" of > his explorations of using the Reaktor 4 as a gtr processor. > WOW! > if you love effects mangling and have a computer, that > sounds like the route to go!!! (i don't have a home > computer so i guess i can only dream...). > > the filters sound incredible, as does the pitch shifting > and delays. it really does some incredible guitar mangling, > to the point that you wonder if it's guitar anymore, b/c > it sounds like keyboard exploration. but that's stuff > i like (for some strange reason). at times some of the > effects sound similar to what i've seen henry kaiser do > w/ his eventide h3000 processor w/ the band pass effects, > etc... and i think from the sheet that david sent w/ the > "demo cd" says that some of the plugins are based > on eventide effects. so if you have an eventide unit maybe > you don't need to do sound processing w/ software? but > i will say that david's cd definately shows what reaktor > 4 can do w/ guitar in processing, etc. > s--- > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 11:10:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MF3uk01811; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:03:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1058885926!838771 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB2D1@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater and sync from midi in Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:56:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C35061.60FB0820" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C35061.60FB0820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I admit I was originally off the ball in not allowing the the MIDI clock is global and that I don't need to match channels to use it. Paul "gotta-get-the-last-word" Sanders<< I can see how the global nature of midi-clock and various other stuff is counter to the explanation I've seen by several manufacturers of midi being like tv broadcasting, wherein a tv receiver only pays attention to the channel it's tuned to, whilst receiving them all. there's a picture of this in one of my roland manuals, with several tv's all with different pictures but attached to the same aerial. neat, but sort of falls down when you introduce global stuff. a better analogy would be personal e-mails vs...... go on then, you have the last word. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I admit I was originally off the ball in not allo= wing the the MIDI
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I can see how the global nature of midi-clock and various= other stuff is counter to the explanation I've seen by several manufacture= rs of midi being like tv broadcasting, wherein a tv receiver only pays atte= ntion to the channel it's tuned to, whilst receiving them all. there's a pi= cture of this in one of my roland manuals, with several tv's all with diffe= rent pictures but attached to the same aerial. neat, but sort of falls down= when you introduce global stuff.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C35061.60FB0820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 11:12:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MFA9B02360; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:10:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:10:02 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000201c35063$53f6e660$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6MFA8k02336 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very interesting! I've heard others say similar things. Does someone know if Reactor has an implementation for external midi control of all parameters? I'm thinking that it might be cool to use live. A laptop instead of a rectifier, that's something ;-) --> Question of latency: I have been playing with a POD 1 and I think it sucks because of the latency. I am also finding the latency in the Repeater hard to coup with when not putting it in a loop to keep the instruments direct signal. Has someone here measured the latency of the POD 1 and the Repeater? I'm just curious, since I'm not a "tech guy" myself. So if someone can confirm that, let's say, "the Repeater has a 30 milliseconds (or whatever) latency to the direct input signal", then I would get at least something to hold on to. Experience of latency is a very personal thing and I prefer small stages when playing with a band mostly for the timing. Or a good backline engineer, if that is available ;-) Speaking about playing live with a lap top (or a mini PC) you can of course sidestep the latency problem by putting it in a loop. But it would really be cool not having to do that because of the sound mangling potentials of Reactor 4. Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Hansen [mailto:scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor > > > david coffin sent me a "demo cd" of > his explorations of using the Reaktor 4 as a gtr processor. > WOW! if you love effects mangling and have a computer, that > sounds like the route to go!!! (i don't have a home computer > so i guess i can only dream...). > > the filters sound incredible, as does the pitch shifting > and delays. it really does some incredible guitar mangling, > to the point that you wonder if it's guitar anymore, b/c > it sounds like keyboard exploration. but that's stuff > i like (for some strange reason). at times some of the > effects sound similar to what i've seen henry kaiser do > w/ his eventide h3000 processor w/ the band pass effects, > etc... and i think from the sheet that david sent w/ the > "demo cd" says that some of the plugins are based on eventide > effects. so if you have an eventide unit maybe you don't need > to do sound processing w/ software? but i will say that > david's cd definately shows what reaktor 4 can do w/ guitar > in processing, etc. > s--- > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 13:17:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MGspK11214; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:54:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:54:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1c8.cf862e2.2c4ec643@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:54:27 EDT Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6MGskk11187 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, et al, On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 02:55 AM, Claude Voit wrote: >> I sent 5 or 6 CDs to LD members all around the world for >> review and got NO fucking review. Just a few thoughts . . . if you want to get reviews from people on this (or any other) list: 1. Write to them and ask them first if it's okay to send a disk in hope of receiving a review. Most people will agree. But, many folk's lives are busy these days and they may not have time. If anyone ever wrote to me and received a "yes" answer I'd definitely follow-through with whatever was promised. I'd make it a commitment. And, if the answer is "no" or "not right now," be patient. After an appropriate interval, ask again later. You never know. Doors that were closed sometimes open unexpectedly. These folks are probably not being mean. They are being practical -- especially if they are not "professional" reviewers. 2. If you want a review, it would be a good idea to expect at least a little criticism. It's a review, not a press release. So, if they don't like it don't complain too much. Most folks don't want to "dis" a colleague publicly. Occasionally, I'll get sent unsolicited CD-Rs and simply don't happen to like them very much. Hey, there's no accounting for taste and it's a free country (or so I am told). I may then privately e-mail the sender (off list) to that effect and spare them any perceived public embarrassment. But, more often than not, I am still rather reluctant to hurt anyone's feelings to begin with. Unsolicited CD-Rs may not get a review at all -- especially if I'm really busy and don't have the time. I know, excuses, excuses. 3. Make sure the recipient knows who and where the CD has come from. I have gotten CD-Rs with no return address, no liner notes or credits and all kinds of inkjet graphics with very creative band names on them . . . all totally without giving any clue as to who the people are who are in the band and who sent it to me in the first place. If you write or e-mail and ask first -- no problem -- you're golden. But, if you do happen to submit an unsolicited CD, make sure there is a note with it saying who you are and what you are hoping for from the person you sent it to. Don't EXPECT that they will be amused enough by the pretty pictures to do a web search for your band name in order to find out your identity. It's not likely to happen. I do not believe Claude has ever sent me anything BTW. But, I have received stuff that came either at a lousy time (or I was not feeling well) or there was no identifying information or a name I did not recognize from LD (or anywhere else). They go in my file drawer full of CDs -- maybe I'll get to them eventually. However, no promises were made, so maybe not. This is the way the world works. My own experience of sending out music proves it. My one-and-only CD (so far) "Flux Aeterna" has gotten dozens of great reviews from all over the planet and radio airplay from Siberia to Adelaide on 30+ stations (not even counting the internet ones). But, when you realize that to get that response I had to package and send out 750 CDs (all at my own cost and postage expense) the result seems a rather pitiful percentage (probably less than 10%). At that rate, if you sent out only 5 CDs 10% is just 0.5 (that's halfway between one response and none at all). I'd say that for sending out only 5 CDs your "response rate" was only a little below average and (therefore) nothing too surprising. Actually, speaking as a person who has done his share of direct marketing professionally, 10% is pretty darn good. If you think about the junk (snail) mail you receive in the post daily. Those companies would KILL for a return of 3% or 4%. Getting 10% would be a humongous, major miracle for them. Such an achievement would rate a raise and a bonus for somebody, that's for sure. Anywho, those are my thoughts. Don't be too hard on the folks you send unsolicited CDs to (unless you DO solicit and they DO agree beforehand). What you got was about "par" for the course. It's disappointing, true. But, it's not unusual at all. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 13:44:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MHcXZ14678; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:38:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:38:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:38:43 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 07/22/2003 01:38:45 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> You can very easily give any Reaktor parameter a control panel widget (knob, slider, etc...if it doesn't already have one), and assign any MIDI CC to any widget using the MIDI-learn function; works like a charm....and you can invert values, limit ranges, group and link controls, etc... In fact, I'd say that Reaktor towers over any hardware unit I've tried (including Eventide's, Kurzweil's, tce's, etc.) in terms of configurability of controllers....want a moving fader, LFO, envelop, BPM-based step-sequencer, X/Y mouse-pad, or drawable table/graph for modulating a parameter, or even switching between presets? Just patch one in. Patch morphing and randomization is available, too. <> Send me your address for the CD, or follow these Mac.com directions to listen online to a few tracks: << >From Apple: To open someone's Public folder: If you're using Windows XP, use iDisk Utility for Windows to open someone's Public folder. To download iDisk Utility for Windows, go to www.mac.com, click the iDisk icon, and then click the iDisk Utility download link. If you're using Windows 2000, open My Computer, choose Map Network Drive from the Tools menu, then click "Web folder or FTP site." Enter the following as the location to add: http://idisk.mac.com/membername-Public? (where "membername" is the other person's .Mac member name). If you're using Windows 98, open My Computer, double-click the Web Folders icon, then double-click Add Web Folder. Enter the following as the location to add: http:// idisk.mac.com/membername-Public? (where "membername" is the other person's .Mac member name). If you're using Mac OS X version 10.1 or later, choose Connect To Server from the Finder's Go menu and type http://idisk.mac.com/membername-Public (where "membername" is the person's .Mac member name). If the Public folder is protected with a password, type "public" in the username field and type the Public folder password in the password field. If you're using Mac OS 9.x, choose Chooser from the Apple menu, then click AppleShare. Click the Server IP Address button, type "idisk.mac.com" in the Server Address field, then click Connect. Type the other user's member name and the user's Public folder password, then click Connect. If the user doesn't have a Public folder password, type "public" in the Password field. Select the user's iDisk and click OK. >> My membername is nonstaining, and there's no password on the folder. (I took advantage of the 60-day free trial on mac.com to post these, so these won't be there for long...maybe another 30 days? (I was unimpressed!)) <> I'm using a new G4 and OSX to run Reaktor and patch into and out of it using a Mackie 1604vlz, and an M-Audio Audiophile pci card; I'm stereo only, but you can get up to 16 i/o channels in Reaktor if your audio card/whatever supports it. I don't notice any latency....but I'm not really sensitive to that...definitely under 10ms, tho. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 13:50:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MHkE815782; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:46:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:46:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:46:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater and sync from midi in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB2D1@LON-MAIL07> Message-Id: <5E9C035E-BC6C-11D7-AFCB-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2BgVy.A.e2D.lhXH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, Just a bit of constructive critacism, but the problem I had before with Paul's statements "...can't make any good music but spacey stuff" (I paraphrase) and the "Repeater handles MIDI wrong" is that he seems to be prone to absolutes. I think I'm guilty of this at times too, especially when excited or angry. This gets a lot of people's hackles up because this is such a rich and varied forum for new ideas. I think you'll get less flack from people if you learn to use the "IMO" acronym a lot more. "IMHO" if you're feeling charitable. I try to use it as much as possible. Paul could have said the same thing by saying, "Damn, this MIDI stuff is not intuitive to me." (it's not to most people and it's an antique protocol from the late 70s) and he would have gotten a ton of support. If he had said, "I mainly like music that's about a nice tight groove so I need synced loopers." I would have probably chimed in and said, "Yeah, that's why the world needs more midi syncable loopers and effects!" Anyway, no offense intended. Welcome to the list (again) Cheerio, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 14:08:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MI4et17982; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:04:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:04:33 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01c3507b$b4eb60f0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <1c8.cf862e2.2c4ec643@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well met! If anyone on, or off the list would like to send me a CD for review, I'll be happy to listen to it. I might even let my Tuesday morning roundtable have a go at it as well. I have many respected musicians that stop by for coffee and tech chat. Anyway, you can send your material to: Soul Fruit 2900 Rochester Road Royal Oak, MI 48073 Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Claude, et al, On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 02:55 AM, Claude Voit wrote: >> I sent 5 or 6 CDs to LD members all around the world for >> review and got NO fucking review. Just a few thoughts . . . if you want to get reviews from people on this (or any other) list: 1. Write to them and ask them first if it's okay to send a disk in hope of receiving a review. Most people will agree. But, many folk's lives are busy these days and they may not have time. If anyone ever wrote to me and received a "yes" answer I'd definitely follow-through with whatever was promised. I'd make it a commitment. And, if the answer is "no" or "not right now," be patient. After an appropriate interval, ask again later. You never know. Doors that were closed sometimes open unexpectedly. These folks are probably not being mean. They are being practical -- especially if they are not "professional" reviewers. 2. If you want a review, it would be a good idea to expect at least a little criticism. It's a review, not a press release. So, if they don't like it don't complain too much. Most folks don't want to "dis" a colleague publicly. Occasionally, I'll get sent unsolicited CD-Rs and simply don't happen to like them very much. Hey, there's no accounting for taste and it's a free country (or so I am told). I may then privately e-mail the sender (off list) to that effect and spare them any perceived public embarrassment. But, more often than not, I am still rather reluctant to hurt anyone's feelings to begin with. Unsolicited CD-Rs may not get a review at all -- especially if I'm really busy and don't have the time. I know, excuses, excuses. 3. Make sure the recipient knows who and where the CD has come from. I have gotten CD-Rs with no return address, no liner notes or credits and all kinds of inkjet graphics with very creative band names on them . . . all totally without giving any clue as to who the people are who are in the band and who sent it to me in the first place. If you write or e-mail and ask first -- no problem -- you're golden. But, if you do happen to submit an unsolicited CD, make sure there is a note with it saying who you are and what you are hoping for from the person you sent it to. Don't EXPECT that they will be amused enough by the pretty pictures to do a web search for your band name in order to find out your identity. It's not likely to happen. I do not believe Claude has ever sent me anything BTW. But, I have received stuff that came either at a lousy time (or I was not feeling well) or there was no identifying information or a name I did not recognize from LD (or anywhere else). They go in my file drawer full of CDs -- maybe I'll get to them eventually. However, no promises were made, so maybe not. This is the way the world works. My own experience of sending out music proves it. My one-and-only CD (so far) "Flux Aeterna" has gotten dozens of great reviews from all over the planet and radio airplay from Siberia to Adelaide on 30+ stations (not even counting the internet ones). But, when you realize that to get that response I had to package and send out 750 CDs (all at my own cost and postage expense) the result seems a rather pitiful percentage (probably less than 10%). At that rate, if you sent out only 5 CDs 10% is just 0.5 (that's halfway between one response and none at all). I'd say that for sending out only 5 CDs your "response rate" was only a little below average and (therefore) nothing too surprising. Actually, speaking as a person who has done his share of direct marketing professionally, 10% is pretty darn good. If you think about the junk (snail) mail you receive in the post daily. Those companies would KILL for a return of 3% or 4%. Getting 10% would be a humongous, major miracle for them. Such an achievement would rate a raise and a bonus for somebody, that's for sure. Anywho, those are my thoughts. Don't be too hard on the folks you send unsolicited CDs to (unless you DO solicit and they DO agree beforehand). What you got was about "par" for the course. It's disappointing, true. But, it's not unusual at all. Best, tEd R kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 14:25:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MIK9N19793; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <1c8.cf862e2.2c4ec643@aol.com> Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:19:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2003 18:20:03.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE95F710:01C3507D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200111/msg00513.html Claude put out a call for review volunteers back in 2001. personally I can understand his frustration if people volunteered to review it in exchange for a free cd and never "got around to it" in almost two years time. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 14:54:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MIht022126; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:43:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:43:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:43:48 -0700 Subject: Repeater latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000201c35063$53f6e660$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: <6E86654F-BC74-11D7-AFCB-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <8nGZLD.A.mZF.rXYH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 08:10 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > --> Question of latency: > I have been playing with a POD 1 and I think it sucks because of the > latency. I am also finding the latency in the Repeater hard to coup > with > when not putting it in a loop to keep the instruments direct signal. > Has > someone here measured the latency of the POD 1 and the Repeater? You guys must have amazing powers of perception. I've never found the Repeater to be awkward to use in terms of latency. Back when I as beta testing v. 1.1 of the software, I did a test. I captured a loop of a drum machine and had them then play together. I did notice a slight phase shift, but no where near 20ms I'm sure. At that point it starts to sound like a doubling. I think I read that Kim did a similar test on the EDP and got the similar results. No digital device at this point isn't going to give you some degree of latency, but unless you're putting your signal direct into a tube amp there's going to be some. A/D-D/A converters take a little time to work and there's the DSP to consider as well. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 15:30:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MJQj526016; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Repeater latency Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:26:39 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000201c35087$2c872fd0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <6E86654F-BC74-11D7-AFCB-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6MJQik25992 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 08:10 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > --> Question of latency: > Back when > I as beta > testing v. 1.1 of the software, I did a test. I captured a loop of a > drum machine and had them then play together. I did notice a slight > phase shift, but no where near 20ms I'm sure. //// > > Mark Sottilaro Ok, thanks. "Repeater latency somewhere less that 20 ms", then. Good to know. If I'll ever realise my plans on using a computer for live tweaking I will do as I have always been doing with midi guitar: Using the direct sound with a tube amp or similar and putting Reactor in a send loop. Then I'd like an expression pedal to morph between direct sound (amplifyer) and Reactor sound (live manipulated by loads of FCB1010's) ;-) I've been into software beta testing as well and I'm under the impression that keyboard musicians are more tolerant to latency than (percussive) guitar players or drummers are. Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 16:06:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MK3C931309; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:03:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030722123213.0439c008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:04:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater latency In-Reply-To: <6E86654F-BC74-11D7-AFCB-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <000201c35063$53f6e660$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:43 AM 7/22/2003, mark wrote: >On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 08:10 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>--> Question of latency: >>I have been playing with a POD 1 and I think it sucks because of the >>latency. I am also finding the latency in the Repeater hard to coup with >>when not putting it in a loop to keep the instruments direct signal. Has >>someone here measured the latency of the POD 1 and the Repeater? > >You guys must have amazing powers of perception. I've never found the >Repeater to be awkward to use in terms of latency. The annoying thing about the Repeater is the direct through audio has a noticeable latency. I measured it at 12.5ms on my scope. For me that is perceptible, but it may not be for everybody. In use I think I can adapt to it, but it is annoying since my ears are telling me the sound source is a particular distance, yet the extra delay doesn't fit with that. I could see it being a problem in mixing though, if you have some sources going through the Repeater and some not. Either there are phase problems, or rhythmic feel problems. If the snare is 12.5ms behind the beat, the feel of rhythm will be different. Basically it means the Repeater is passing the direct audio through the digital path, and there is some significant buffering going on. The Repeater is probably buffering 512 samples, by my rough calculation. That seems like a lot to me. >Back when I as beta testing v. 1.1 of the software, I did a test. I >captured a loop of a drum machine and had them then play together. I did >notice a slight phase shift, but no where near 20ms I'm sure. that's a test of the sync accuracy, not the direct through audio latency which I think is what Per is referring to. >At that point it starts to sound like a doubling. I think I read that Kim >did a similar test on the EDP and got the similar results. The echoplex passes direct audio through as analog, and the delay is probably more on the order of nanoseconds and imperceptible. The sync accuracy test for the EDP is pretty dead on, as good as you can get with MIDI. The 1.0 software repeater was pretty bad, but I never tried that test with 1.1. Another type of latency is for controls. When you tap the button, how long does the device take to react? The EDP is a real-time OS that guarantees the function starts within 1.5ms, no matter what else is going on. >No digital device at this point isn't going to give you some degree of >latency, but unless you're putting your signal direct into a tube amp >there's going to be some. A/D-D/A converters take a little time to work >and there's the DSP to consider as well. yes, but all of these things are very dependent on the design. For example, does direct audio have to go through the digital path at all? In many cases no. Delay through the convertors will depend on the parts selected. Did they choose parts with this in mind? Much more significant delays will come from buffering samples before passing them out again. Did they optimize their system and dsp algorithm design to minimize buffering? These things are fundamental design issues that have to be considered from the very beginning of the project. In my view, something like a looper that is used mainly in real-time performance should give a high priority to these issues. The fact that the Repeater ends up with 12.5ms of direct through audio delay tells me they didn't. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 16:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MKCwU32534; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:12:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:12:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:12:52 -0400 Message-ID: <007001c3508d$a1c26bb0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, shame on them!! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200111/msg00513.html Claude put out a call for review volunteers back in 2001. personally I can understand his frustration if people volunteered to review it in exchange for a free cd and never "got around to it" in almost two years time. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 16:18:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MKFBS00388; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:15:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:15:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:13:16 -0400 Subject: New Apple Loop/Music software From: Ed Drake To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6E86654F-BC74-11D7-AFCB-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0RRRsC.A.7F.OtZH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers, I was too busy last week and I kept thinking someone else was sure to post this but Apple has released a music/loop program called Soundtrack. This is a music program which uses Apple Loops (whatever that is), Acid loops as well as Wav and aiff files and has loop editing and uses effects plug-ins. The price is $299 and minimum system requirements are a 500mhz g4 and Jaguar (which excludes me at the present time). It looks like it might be more of a studio application than a live/real time program, but it's hard to tell from a few screenshots, etc. I wonder if this has anything to do with Apple buying eMagic last year. The link to the sight is below. If anyone finds out more please post it here! http://www.apple.com/soundtrack/ Ed Drake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 16:22:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MKDCm32578; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:13:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:13:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:13:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, I'm listening to the samples... and I'm a bit unimpressed. They're at a high bitrate, yet they sound thin... were you going directly into some A/D converter when you made this? I'm curious to know the recording process... sounds like the guitar wasn't put through a good preamp or something. Other than that the effects sound interesting, but for $500 I'd just as soon get a couple of Lexicon Vortexes or a used Lexicon MPX1 and free up my CPU for other stuff. Maybe I'm just old school but I like dedicated hardware for some stuff. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 16:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MKK9o01014; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:20:03 -0700 Subject: Re: New Apple Loop/Music software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4D5d9C.A.tP.5xZH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This software comes with Final Cut Pro 4 which my company is upgrading to. When we get it I'll check it out and let you guys know what the scoop is. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 01:13 PM, Ed Drake wrote: > Loopers, > > I was too busy last week and I kept thinking someone else was sure > to > post this but Apple has released a music/loop program called > Soundtrack. > This is a music program which uses Apple Loops (whatever that is), Acid > loops as well as Wav and aiff files and has loop editing and uses > effects > plug-ins. The price is $299 and minimum system requirements are a > 500mhz g4 > and Jaguar (which excludes me at the present time). It looks like it > might > be more of a studio application than a live/real time program, but > it's hard > to tell from a few screenshots, etc. I wonder if this has anything to > do > with Apple buying eMagic last year. The link to the sight is below. If > anyone finds out more please post it here! > > http://www.apple.com/soundtrack/ > > Ed Drake > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 16:44:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MKh2R03428; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:43:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:43:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:47:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030722123213.0439c008@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 03:04 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > The annoying thing about the Repeater is the direct through audio has > a noticeable latency. I measured it at 12.5ms on my scope. For me that > is perceptible, but it may not be for everybody. In use I think I can > adapt to it, but it is annoying since my ears are telling me the sound > source is a particular distance, yet the extra delay doesn't fit with > that. thanks for quantifying what i felt about the Repeater. I'm a keybaordist, and the latency was irritating enough that it kept me from being able to use it in a rhythmic context. i had a difficult time playing around the delay. for textural things it's okay, for chords it's okay, but for wah clavinet type parts it's irritating. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 17:03:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MKxFR04980; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:59:26 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 07/22/2003 04:59:28 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps I should have been clearer. These mp3s were actually offered to a Reaktor-Composer's forum, as part of a different dialog. I mentioned them here only because they ARE extracted from the R4 demo CD I made, but they're not typical of the 25 or so minutes of demos on it, since each of these is a ramble thru a single effect preset, as opposed to the bulk of the demo, which is many short passes thru many different presets of a bunch of Reaktor virtual processors. So, if you want a better idea of the range of R4 FX, send me an address and I'll forward a copy of the whole thing. Even so, the point of any of these tracks is NOT Reaktor as a preamp or amp simulator...it's the FX. Reaktor4 now includes a guitar-amp/speaker simulator, but I didn't bother to demo it since I'm not interested in using the computer to make a guitar sound like a guitar. The preamps I used include VG8/88, PodXT, and GT6, so I guess our tastes in preamp sounds differ? I hadn't even considered that that would matter. I also prefer hardware for some stuff, but I've ditched a couple of mpx1's and Vortex's along the way in my exploration of digital fx, and don't miss 'em at all. Reaktor outshines them, for my purposes, in every conceivable way. dc mark cc: Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor 07/22/2003 04:13 PM Please respond to Loopers-Deligh t Hmmm, I'm listening to the samples... and I'm a bit unimpressed. They're at a high bitrate, yet they sound thin... were you going directly into some A/D converter when you made this? I'm curious to know the recording process... sounds like the guitar wasn't put through a good preamp or something. Other than that the effects sound interesting, but for $500 I'd just as soon get a couple of Lexicon Vortexes or a used Lexicon MPX1 and free up my CPU for other stuff. Maybe I'm just old school but I like dedicated hardware for some stuff. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 18:14:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MMCha14418; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:12:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:12:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Repeater latency Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:12:37 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000201c3509e$5c597fd0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030722123213.0439c008@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6MMCgk14395 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > that's a test of the sync accuracy, not the direct through > audio latency > which I think is what Per is referring to. That's correct. > noticeable latency. I measured it at 12.5ms on my scope. Big thanks for that, Kim! Good to also know what you are hearing ;-) > > The echoplex passes direct audio through as analog, and the delay is > probably more on the order of nanoseconds and imperceptible I have no problem at all with the minimal echoplex latency. In fact I'm using its direct signal in my live looping rigg. But the repeater - no way! It goes with "direct input mute" all the time. > From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > > i had a difficult time playing around the delay. for textural things > it's okay, for chords it's okay, but for wah clavinet type parts it's > irritating. Try muting the direct signal and putting it in a send loop. The repeater is great for rythmic stuff IMHO. Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 18:19:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MMHED14941; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:17:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: New Apple Loop/Music software Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:17:09 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000301c3509e$fe5cdf20$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6MMHEk14917 Resent-Message-ID: <0KnIW.A.UpD.qfbH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > program called Soundtrack. This is a music program which uses > > screenshots, etc. I wonder if this has anything to do with > Apple buying eMagic last year. > >Ed Drake The plug-ins are from Emagic's Logic ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 18:57:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MMqR519281; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:52:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:52:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Funny Fresh MP3 posted ;-D Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:52:21 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000501c350a3$e9282740$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6E86654F-BC74-11D7-AFCB-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I just had to share this funny thing that happened just a couple of minutes ago, so I posted it at http://www.looproom.com/audio/trutorgel.mp3 This is the live sound of my new stripped down, mixer-less, looping rig. Simply an EDP, a Repeater and an Akai MFC 42 filter constantly tweaked with a FCB1010 midi foot pedal. Here while whacking away on a blues harp and a mbira (the bass note). My apologises to any eventual REAL blues harp player on the list ;-) he, he... This was just for fun, you know... hitting "rec" to see what's going to happen. The trick to run the beat-boxing mic through the filter before looping is something I got from this list. Thanks a bunch, whoever posted that advice ;-) And please no reviews ;-)))) Best wishes Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 19:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MN6jb21079; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:06:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:06:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c350a5$f8c1eb30$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <000501c350a3$e9282740$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Subject: Re: Funny Fresh MP3 posted ;-D Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:07:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool, man. What's the signal chain? Sounds like the filter is on different instruments at different times. How are you doing that without a mixer/aux sends? Or am I just hearing things wrong. "Awwww, yeah." -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Funny Fresh MP3 posted ;-D > Hi Loopers, > > I just had to share this funny thing that happened just a couple of > minutes ago, so I posted it at > http://www.looproom.com/audio/trutorgel.mp3 > > This is the live sound of my new stripped down, mixer-less, looping rig. > Simply an EDP, a Repeater and an Akai MFC 42 filter constantly tweaked > with a FCB1010 midi foot pedal. Here while whacking away on a blues > harp and a mbira (the bass note). My apologises to any eventual REAL > blues harp player on the list ;-) he, he... This was just for fun, you > know... hitting "rec" to see what's going to happen. > > The trick to run the beat-boxing mic through the filter before looping > is something I got from this list. Thanks a bunch, whoever posted that > advice ;-) > > And please no reviews ;-)))) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 19:14:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MNAVW21455; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:10:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:10:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:10:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000201c3509e$5c597fd0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 03:12 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Try muting the direct signal and putting it in a send loop. The > repeater > is great for rythmic stuff IMHO. Agreed. Regardless of the latency (which I'd think I'd notice when I forget to initiate a "dry mute." All I seem to hear is a louder signal) the Repeater works great when in a send. Also Kim, the MIDI sync was pretty much totally fixed in software v 1.1 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 19:27:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MNOm522636; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:24:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Funny Fresh MP3 posted ;-D Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:24:42 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000901c350a8$6de7ee30$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004d01c350a5$f8c1eb30$520cfc0c@amd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] > Very cool, man. What's the signal chain? Sounds like the > filter is on different instruments at different times. How > are you doing that without a mixer/aux sends? Or am I just > hearing things wrong. > > "Awwww, yeah." > > -J You're hearing just the right thing, Jesse! The Akai filter has two channels. I'm running EDP + direct signal mic through the mono channel and the repeater effect send into the Akai's stereo channel. And then the sum (Akai output) goes back into the Repeater's fx return ;-) So the repeater loops not sent to the fx loop are clean (no akai filter messing up). The distortion used is the Akai filter's built in dist. Oh, yes... The thing with the Akai MFC 42 is that you can cross-link the two channels cut-off filtering, and I have assigned this to an expression pedal. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 19:38:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MNZcZ24022; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:35:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:35:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:35:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Funny Fresh MP3 posted ;-D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000901c350a8$6de7ee30$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: <2F9DE3EC-BC9D-11D7-9FAE-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds great! Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 04:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > You're hearing just the right thing, Jesse! The Akai filter has two > channels. I'm running EDP + direct signal mic through the mono channel > and the repeater effect send into the Akai's stereo channel. And then > the sum (Akai output) goes back into the Repeater's fx return ;-) So > the repeater loops not sent to the fx loop are clean (no akai filter > messing up). The distortion used is the Akai filter's built in dist. > > Oh, yes... The thing with the Akai MFC 42 is that you can cross-link > the > two channels cut-off filtering, and I have assigned this to an > expression pedal. > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 22 19:55:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MNqYS26039; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:52:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:52:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c350ac$5f476fa0$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: Subject: Ableton Live! as looping clock and sequencer... Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:52:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a couple questions for the ladies and gentlemen out there using Ableton's Live! sequencer in a looping context: - I have read in the online manual that Live can sync to MIDI clock from an external source, but I didn't see anything about it being able to generate MIDI clock. Can it generate MIDI clock? This is important to me for syncing an EDP to it and using cycle quantized commands. - I didn't see anything in the manual about Live being able to play MIDI clips, only digital audio. Seems like MIDI is only implemented in Live to provide parameter automation. I currently program some EDP control messages into my sequences to control some aspects of the EDP during performance. Does anyone know of any plans to provide the ability to playback MIDI clips with Live? Is a regular complaint about Live that it doesn't already have this feature? Sincerely seeking, Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 02:45:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6N6fi725266; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 02:41:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 02:41:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:41:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030722123213.0439c008@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if they fixed things in v 1.1 a little or my method of measuring isn't accurate, but I just did a measure of my own and measured it at 11 ms. Here's how I did it. I've got the Repeater in the effect loop of my board. I didn't mute the dry output, so I had signal going directly into my MOTU 828 and another version going into the Repeater. In this case it was actually passing through a Lexicon MPX1 too, so I'm not sure how much that adds, if any. Is this horrible for a digital device? I know they talk about MIDI latency in the range of 4 ms being really good. I see computer PCI audio cards talking about 6 ms latency being good. Again, I hear a lot of good music made with the Repeater and it works for me the way it is, I'm just trying to figure out what a decent spec would be. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 01:04 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > The annoying thing about the Repeater is the direct through audio has > a noticeable latency. I measured it at 12.5ms on my scope. For me that > is perceptible, but it may not be for everybody. In use I think I can > adapt to it, but it is annoying since my ears are telling me the sound > source is a particular distance, yet the extra delay doesn't fit with > that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 04:47:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6N8hHY00751; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:43:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:43:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:47:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000201c3509e$5c597fd0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: <5A7C6ED0-BCEA-11D7-A918-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 05:12 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] >> i had a difficult time playing around the delay. for textural things >> it's okay, for chords it's okay, but for wah clavinet type parts it's >> irritating. > Try muting the direct signal and putting it in a send loop. The > repeater > is great for rythmic stuff IMHO. i wish that my rig was complex enough to do that, but it wasn't. i _do_ agree that the Repeater is an excellent rhythm looper. the slip control is especially cool. however, i only use looping for ethereal things now that i have a MIDI sequencer i enjoy working with (Numerology). however, i still have the desire to put those funky wah clav parts in now and again :) --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 05:16:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6N9FbI03370; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:15:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Numerology (was: Repeater latency) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:15:32 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000601c350fa$f7cc8e10$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5A7C6ED0-BCEA-11D7-A918-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6N9Fbk03346 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i _do_ agree that the Repeater is an excellent rhythm looper. > the slip > control is especially cool. however, i only use looping for ethereal > things now that i have a MIDI sequencer i enjoy working with > (Numerology). > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com Eric, What a coincidence! I was just reading about Numerology tonight at www.osxaudio.com (and their own site as well) and I was very impressed with it. I wish I had the time to check it out in praxis as well ;-9 BTW - regarding muting the Repeaters direct input to avoid latency... There is actually a workaround, if you can spare one repeater track: 1. Mute direct input by pressing stop/overdub. 2. Split your input signal to enter both the input and the fx loop return. 3. Activate "FX insert Engage" on the front panel. 4. Activate "FX send" for at least one track. Than you can happily beat your clavinet and loop it with no 12.5 ms latency! Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 05:27:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6N9QLo04095; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Online "Music generator" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:26:16 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000801c350fc$77b0c500$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5A7C6ED0-BCEA-11D7-A918-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6N9QKk04069 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, This is fun: http://this.is/pallit/isjs/ Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 05:28:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6N9RUk04254; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:27:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:27:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Funny Fresh MP3 posted ;-D Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:32:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c350a3$e9282740$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> X-Seen: false X-ID: Z4CF6UZO8e-oHYWchC5DVP7Fys5hO+5u8RzCzn8CHlcVZpBCi5mvY6@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <77FITB.A.WCB.BUlH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > run the beat-boxing mic through the filter before looping er, and the beat-boxing was done using vocals only? really cool. -mpe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 05:40:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6N9bXg05078; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Funny Fresh MP3 posted ;-D Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:37:28 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000901c350fe$08133e60$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > er, and the beat-boxing was done using vocals only? > > really cool. > > -mpe Sure! ;-D I ran the mic through the Akai filter and tweaked different EQ's for each drum sound. The fast hihat was the first loop. I "boxed" it into the EDP in halfspeed and closed the recording by going to FullSpeed. Then I copied it to the Repeater and started adding other stuff to the loop in the Repeater. First bringing down cut-off on the filter to sing a kick drum and then I simply jammed with mic and filter button to fill up the beat. Dammit, I can't remember who on this list gave me the advice to beatbox through a filter. That tip was really valuable. Thanks, whoever you are! Deleted old mails in my laptop by mistake so I cannot check it out. Maybe it was sent to me off-list? Best per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 07:16:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NBFF810519; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009c01c3510b$a8592350$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:00:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary thanks for the review and again please excuse my rant Take care Claude > > > And I replied shamefully-- > Claude sent me TWO CDs so i guess I'd better put some blinking time into > it-- > However, the rest of you can feel free . . . > Oh heck, here's the short version! > > *Ahem* > > Claude Voit's See What? is a collection of solo recordings made in the > studio but utilizing no conventional overdubbing. All of the multitracking > is done live, the same way you would experience it in a concert setting, > using the latest electronic technology. > These 11 tunes encompass a wide range of styles, from folk to jazz to world > beat, featuring Claude playing acoustic and synthesizer guitar. Claude uses > the Echoplex Digital Pro, a piece of gear that enables him to capture his > live playing and fashion it into compositions. The first piece, Ipoulkapek, > for example, starts with a simple six note motif that becomes a full blown > dance number 2 and a half minutes into the recording. > The rest of the collection is filled with adventurous and playful moments. > Walking Ben, the fifth track is a Travis-style guitar piece that actually > starts with the sound of a guitar pick being scraped along a wound string > percussively. This short sample becomes the foundation for a rather > sprightly and much more mellow trip to the country. > Rever devant le plongeoir, the third track, has a "Spaghetti Western" feel; > El Faro, number six, starts with backward guitar, makes a feedback excursion > and becomes a medium tempo techno track, and Zamazama, the eighth tune, has > an African flavor. > This CD is well recorded and a great showcase for the talents of Mr. Voit. > It would be quite a treat to actually experience this live to "See What" > he's doing to create this rich tapestry of sound. > > That's all for now--sorry it took so long, Claude. So where's the next CD > (just KIDDING) > gARY > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 07:17:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NBF7Y10503; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:15:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:15:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c3510b$a8081d20$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <1c8.cf862e2.2c4ec643@aol.com> Subject: Re: Matthias Grob's New CD I was supposed to review Claude Voit's Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:55:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <2ZJaPD.A._jC.74mH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary, Jon, Ted, Will ,Mark Dan and all Yes I maybe over reacted but hey I sent 2 cd's to Gary (He got the 1st one stolen in the car...) so, when : Gary: >Reminds me, I was supposed to review Claude Voit's last release. That was >very nice . . . Too much stuff to do--Hey, I need to create product! I somehow exploded sorry: please end of it. This review query was specially because my English is very limited and I searched for some mature english description of my music by guys that I suppose are somehow "specialists" in the field. those review where supposed to be used in my English press book (which I did without anyways) also those reviews where asked for before sending a professionnal produced CD (not a CDR) that is distributed in all Switzerland (bar code and all) for the future (for my fan's, if some remain) my next album will be an accoustic guitar album with 80% of my compositions and 2-3 covers This album that will be recorded in France by Silvio Soave (top eng/producer) in Oct will contain very little looping and will be a "Live Playing guitar" album with improv around the canvas of the written themes. the title will be :"Le son du bois, des cordes, des doigts". (the sound of wood,strings,and fingers) you'll hear about it I'll promiss HAva nice day Claude PS: saw/heard Massive Attack yesterday night Wow Wow Wow. check them out if they play near by > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200111/msg00513.html > Claude put out a call for review volunteers back in 2001. personally I can > understand his frustration if people volunteered to review it in exchange > for a free cd and never "got around to it" in almost two years time. > Jon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 08:09:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NC7vu14177; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:07:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:07:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030723140533.02ccbe78@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:07:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re:New Apple Loop/Music software In-Reply-To: <200307230916.h6N9GuI03461@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_13732035==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_13732035==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A lot of those "Apple Loops" (the bass and drum ones) were done by me. Jair-R=F4hm ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_13732035==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A lot of those "Apple Loops" (the bass and drum ones) were done by me.

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 --=====================_13732035==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 08:17:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NCG4O15700; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030723141039.02cee6b8@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:16:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: New Apple Loop/Music software In-Reply-To: <200307230916.h6N9GuI03461@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14219596==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <3oXyZC.A.L1D.EynH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_14219596==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Soundtrack is intended to be a "quick and dirty" music production tool. I'm not sure if this bit of information is declassified or not but it's a (much improved) Mac port of Acid. The idea is to liberate multi-media producers from the hassle of having to outsource music production. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_14219596==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Soundtrack is intended to be a "quick and dirty" music production tool. I'm not sure if this bit of information is declassified or not but it's a (much improved) Mac port of Acid. The idea is to liberate multi-media producers from the hassle of having to outsource music production.

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 --=====================_14219596==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 08:26:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NCPFl18848; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: New Apple Loop/Music software Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:25:09 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000d01c35115$754560f0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030723141039.02cee6b8@pop.chello.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <5Jfn5D.A.YmE.r6nH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Jair-Rohm [mailto:gtc@chello.se] > Soundtrack is intended to be a "quick and dirty" music production tool. > I'm not sure if this bit of information is declassified or not but it's > a (much improved) Mac port of Acid. The idea is to liberate multi-media > producers from the hassle of having to outsource music production. > JPW Hopefully this will bring in more "finish this up" jobs to musicians/studio ppl like me and others on this list ;-) Every AD or desk top film spot director can't be experneced also in top audio production. Soundtrack looks perfectly fit for lifting over a track into Logic for finishing it up. All.... pboy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 09:56:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NDsv725150; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:54:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:54:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1c8.cf862e2.2c4ec643@aol.com> References: <1c8.cf862e2.2c4ec643@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:54:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: semi-OT:Claude review/ted's repsonse...etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >TED said: I had to package and send out 750 CDs >(all at my own cost and postage expense) the result seems a rather >pitiful percentage (probably less than 10%)... i will 2nd ted's comments here. i've done 3 li'l cdr projects (d2r, corp rock sucks, unplayable) and for each sent out about 100 cdr copies (at my own expense). on my 1st one, i sent it to "places that were supposedly 'friendly' to reviewing 'independant releases'. of the about 100 i sent out, i got like 4 or 5 reviews (2 of them i had to pay for). the others sort of ripped me a new bum-hole. but i have a tough skin and didn't bother me, criticism is good, helps you grow, and i don't think that everything i do is SUPER AT THE TOP OF THE GAME QUALITY, i just keep trying. i think you have to start thinking of your intent. my intent was to try to get my music that i made out to people, and that's what i did w/ the 2nd 2 releases. a few people sent me some nice emails back w/ kind words, but i didn't really expect it. people are busy, i'm busy. a friend of mine told me once: do this b/c you love it and it's fun. if it's not fun, stop and do something else. by the way, i've gotten a lot of great music from people on this list, and i tend to think that there is a lot of great music being made out there, you just have to find it... so good luck.... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:09:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NE38i26539; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:03:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:03:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:03:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i forgot to add, i had read an interview in tape op (from a few months ago) w/ keith fullerton whitman, and he has 2 albums out that use something similar w/ guitar and computer processing. one is called "playthroughs" and i can't remember the other one, it was done w/ acoustic guitar. i heard little snippits of "playthroughs" and it sounds more 'minimal ambient' to my ears, but definately sounded interesting-which is the reason why is was interested in david's gtr/reaktor experiements. at times i wonder if this is the future- carrying your gtr and laptop around easier than hauling a big rack around i guess..... s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:13:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NECXs27086; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:12:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:12:26 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <001501c35124$72e35740$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6NECWk27062 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > at times i wonder if this > is the future- carrying your gtr and laptop around easier > than hauling a big rack around i guess..... > s--- Didn't John McLaughlin use a PowerBook for amplification already a couple of years ago? Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:27:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NEOar28201; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:24:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:24:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c35126$91d57b40$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: , References: <001501c35124$72e35740$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:27:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > > at times i wonder if this > > is the future- carrying your gtr and laptop around easier > > than hauling a big rack around i guess..... > > s--- > > Didn't John McLaughlin use a PowerBook for amplification already a > couple of years ago? Jezzz....a powerbook has gotta be loud. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:31:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NETmq28700; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:29:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:29:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, i will say that when i was listening to david's demo cd of the reaktor 4 as gtr processor i thought: "if you're a vintage/tone-guru/tube preamp is KING/etc" type of person, i was thinking that you will not like david's demo cd. and if your idea of "enough filter" is a nice old crybaby wah, then again, you probably wouldn't like it. but if you're like me, who's never owned one of the classic vintage tube amps that "all the biggies play", and like to hear new sounds, it's a fun cd to listen to. s--- >Perhaps I should have been clearer. These mp3s were actually offered to a >Reaktor-Composer's forum, as part of a different dialog. I mentioned them >here only because they ARE extracted from the R4 demo CD I made, but >they're not typical of the 25 or so minutes of demos on it, since each of >these is a ramble thru a single effect preset, as opposed to the bulk of >the demo, which is many short passes thru many different presets of a bunch >of Reaktor virtual processors. So, if you want a better idea of the range >of R4 FX, send me an address and I'll forward a copy of the whole thing. > >Even so, the point of any of these tracks is NOT Reaktor as a preamp or amp >simulator...it's the FX. >Reaktor4 now includes a guitar-amp/speaker simulator, but I didn't bother >to demo it since I'm not interested in using the computer to make a guitar >sound like a guitar. The preamps I used include VG8/88, PodXT, and GT6, so >I guess our tastes in preamp sounds differ? I hadn't even considered that >that would matter. I also prefer hardware for some stuff, but I've ditched >a couple of mpx1's and Vortex's along the way in my exploration of digital >fx, and don't miss 'em at all. Reaktor outshines them, for my purposes, in >every conceivable way. >dc > > > > > > > >mark > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > sing.net> >cc: > Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 >as gtr processor > >07/22/2003 > 04:13 >PM > Please >respond > >to > >Loopers-Deligh > >t > > > > > > > > >Hmmm, I'm listening to the samples... and I'm a bit unimpressed. >They're at a high bitrate, yet they sound thin... were you going >directly into some A/D converter when you made this? I'm curious to >know the recording process... sounds like the guitar wasn't put through >a good preamp or something. > >Other than that the effects sound interesting, but for $500 I'd just as >soon get a couple of Lexicon Vortexes or a used Lexicon MPX1 and free >up my CPU for other stuff. Maybe I'm just old school but I like >dedicated hardware for some stuff. > >Mark Sottilaro -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:37:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NEZN329237; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:35:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:35:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030723143512.84198.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:35:12 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: RE: Repeater latency To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200307230916.h6N9GuM03464@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per wrote: <<>> Odd to mention that keyboard musicians are more tolerant to latency than guitarists or drummers are. I suppose there are quite a few keyboardists out there who do a lot of textural pad-like sounds. For me, the attack of a note is crucial. Many manufacturers get a lot of interesting sounds when they forget about the attack. Few of them really get the attack right even when they're trying. Emu comes close. Kurzweil comes much closer. Even though MIDI was developed in the beginning with keyboards firmly in mind, it is extremely lacking in the latency department. Ever try to layer 4 sounds together and then hit a simple 8 note chord? Talk about latency... Somebody's bad idea of an arpeggio joke. Ok, enough MIDI bashing. I'm curious about Kim's statement that 12.5 ms is a "particular distance". I never thought about it in these terms. Of course it makes so much sense. If I am on a stage and I'm hearing my sound delayed by 12.5 ms, my body will interpret that as being a "particular distance". So how far away is 12.5 ms? I know that it's really simple math, though I'm unsure as to how much of a second is a ms. Is it .001? If so, then the perceived distance is a little over 14 feet away, or 4.3 meters (assuming 68 degrees F or 20 degrees C). Huh, I guess this puts things in a perspective of sorts. I try to keep my onstage monitors about 4 feet away from my head, and on the same plane (3.5 ms latency through the air). To this end, I am running a pair of active studio monitors and placing them behind me. Since I'm not using a live mic, this works very well as monitors, and in smallish places, as PA as well. Now, was this latency test done on Repeater version 1.0? If so, what is the current latency? I always run my keyboards through the Repeater on dry mute, mostly because I can't stand how much the sound degrades when I mix pre-Repeater and post-Repeater dry signals together. This is both the latency thing (phase shifting) and just that the signal has gone through yet another A/D,D/A process. This also makes me wonder what the latency on my keyboard is and whether I'm unconsciously adapting for that (more than likely). There is also latency on a grand piano, and great latency on a pipe organ. And I'm always late to work... Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:39:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NEbxn29685; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:37:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:37:57 -0700 Subject: Re: New Apple Loop/Music software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030723141039.02cee6b8@pop.chello.se> Message-Id: <407F1E75-BD1B-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. This software is for video producers that don't have the money or time to buy music or hire musicians for their soundtracks. Trust me, I used to do this for my company and it was a huge pain in the ass. Clients seemed to think that changing the music was as simple as changing text and were often asking for big changes on approved music at the last minute. This could possibly be how my company tends to cave to any request of the client, but I decided to keep my music non commercial and stick to graphic/video design instead. Keeps me sane. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 05:16 AM, Jair-Rohm wrote: > Soundtrack is intended to be a "quick and dirty" music production > tool. I'm not sure if this bit of information is declassified or not > but it's a (much improved) Mac port of Acid. The idea is to liberate > multi-media producers from the hassle of having to outsource music > production. > > JPW > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Glass Thought Communications > "Records for people to listen to at home." > +46 708 940893 > http://mp3.com/jairrohm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:42:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NEesu30131; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:40:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:40:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:40:51 -0700 Subject: Re: semi-OT:Claude review/ted's repsonse...etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want feedback, why not just post a few mp3s and save yourself the heartache of mailing so many CDs? I get good feedback this way and I don't have to spend a dime on postage. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 06:54 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: >> TED said: I had to package and send out 750 CDs >> (all at my own cost and postage expense) the result seems a rather >> pitiful percentage (probably less than 10%)... > > i will 2nd ted's comments here. i've done 3 li'l cdr projects (d2r, > corp rock sucks, unplayable) and for each sent out about 100 cdr copies > (at my own expense). on my 1st one, i sent it to "places that were > supposedly 'friendly' to reviewing 'independant releases'. of the about > 100 i sent out, i got like 4 or 5 reviews (2 of them i had to pay for). > the others sort of ripped me a new bum-hole. but i have a tough skin > and didn't bother me, criticism is good, helps you grow, and i don't > think > that everything i do is SUPER AT THE TOP OF THE GAME QUALITY, i just > keep trying. i think you have to start thinking of your intent. my > intent > was to try to get my music that i made out to people, and that's what > i did w/ the 2nd 2 releases. a few people sent me some nice emails back > w/ kind words, but i didn't really expect it. people are busy, i'm > busy. > a friend of mine told me once: do this b/c you love it and it's fun. > if it's not fun, stop and do something else. by the way, i've gotten > a lot of great music from people on this list, and i tend to think > that there is a lot of great music being made out there, you just have > to find it... > so good luck.... > s--- > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:50:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NElTV30653; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:47:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:47:27 -0700 Subject: Kantos 1 (Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <945A38D4-BD1C-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <3-lxnB.A.0eH.BAqH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read an article about Kantos 1 by Antares Anyone try it? I'm thinking of giving the demo a try when I get a chance. The mp3 examples sound pretty cool. http://www.antarestech.com/products/kantos.html Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:03 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > i forgot to add, i had read an interview in tape op (from > a few months ago) w/ keith fullerton whitman, and > he has 2 albums out that use something similar w/ > guitar and computer processing. one is called > "playthroughs" and i can't remember the other one, > it was done w/ acoustic guitar. i heard little > snippits of "playthroughs" and it sounds more > 'minimal ambient' to my ears, but definately sounded > interesting-which is the reason why is was interested > in david's gtr/reaktor experiements. at times i wonder > if this is the future- carrying your gtr and laptop around > easier than hauling a big rack around i guess..... > s--- > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:52:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NEp0L31116; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:51:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:51:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Repeater latency Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:50:55 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <002101c35129$d1ebb3e0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030723143512.84198.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6NEoxk31087 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > Per wrote: > << the impression that keyboard musicians are more tolerant to > latency than > (percussive) guitar players or drummers are.>>> > > Odd to mention that keyboard musicians are more tolerant > to latency than guitarists or drummers are. I don't thinks that's odd at all. Many great keyboard sounds have a slow attack and an experienced keyboard player has learned to use "slow" sounds in a musical way. Just like the horn section guys of a symphonic orchestra that know how "early" they have to place their attack for the director and listening audience to perceive "slow horns" by the correct timing according to the score ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 10:53:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NEpI031172; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:51:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:51:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030723145111.37025.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Funny Fresh MP3 posted ;-D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200307230916.h6N9GuM03464@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2ZvUrC.A.8mH.lDqH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per wrote: <<>> Uh, over on this side of the pond we don't use the phrase "whacking away" unless we're being crude... :) But then perhaps it fits. :) :) :P <<<>> You forgot to apologize to the mbira players on this list as well. Might as well apologize to the EDP and Repeater users here too. No really, some great sounds there Per. <<<>> Oooops. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 11:04:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NF1MN32188; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:01:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Kantos 1 (Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:01:17 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <002201c3512b$45040200$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <945A38D4-BD1C-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I read an article about Kantos 1 by Antares Anyone try it? I'm > thinking of giving the demo a try when I get a chance. The mp3 > examples sound pretty cool. > http://www.antarestech.com/products/kantos.html > Mark Sottilaro Yes, isn't that software cool! I also read about Kantos and said to myself that I really have to try it to put different sounds behind the saxophone in real-time. But today I don't have a low latency audio interface for my laptop, so it has to wait some time. Is someone here using Kantos yet? All the best Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 11:08:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NF5aJ32712; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:05:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:05:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Kantos 1 (Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:09:42 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <945A38D4-BD1C-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Seen: false X-ID: bNE5reZZYeMWzQFjT9XWFNnjPdjTckmXWAVOBHTT9v2CAcsUry18YW@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I read an article about Kantos 1 by Antares Anyone try it? I know that Rick Walker (still travelling in Italy I think) is a big fan. I heard some of the stuff that he did with Kantos. Way cool. = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 11:19:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NFF0G01522; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:15:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:14:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Kantos 1 (Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: bruce tovsky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002201c3512b$45040200$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: <68CD2624-BD20-11D7-80A1-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use kantos a bit, mostly with my theremin, but it can work with just about anything. it does interesting things to polyphonic sources (it's designed to work with a mono source) and will do pretty wild stuff with drum loops and the like. one great feature is that it allows you to create your own waveforms - samples essentially - and then play them. it can be tricky to setup so that it triggers cleanly - one of my big complaints about it - but then i am usually feeding it theremin, which has a lot of dynamic range. i wish it could track my volume changes more closely. other than that i highly recommend it, the guys at antares are pretty nice and responsive to technical problems. cheers bruce On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 11:01 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> I read an article about Kantos 1 by Antares Anyone try it? I'm >> thinking of giving the demo a try when I get a chance. The mp3 >> examples sound pretty cool. >> > http://www.antarestech.com/products/kantos.html > >> Mark Sottilaro > > Yes, isn't that software cool! I also read about Kantos and said to > myself that I really have to try it to put different sounds behind the > saxophone in real-time. But today I don't have a low latency audio > interface for my laptop, so it has to wait some time. Is someone here > using Kantos yet? > > All the best > > Per > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 11:32:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NFTVk02994; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:29:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1058972915!66925 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB2E3@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater latency Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:06:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3512B.F2CA8CB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3512B.F2CA8CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>thanks for quantifying what i felt about the Repeater. I'm a keybaordist, and the latency was irritating enough that it kept me from being able to use it in a rhythmic context.<< it's unusable for looping up my band's "berlin school" sequencer parts. sort of makes you wonder what on earth they were thinking.... I've never felt inclined to hook up a pair of SL1200's and a citronic, and I'm guessing I would've been disappointed if I had, but they must've investigated it's performance with turntables (with a view to DJ's using it for building up rhythmic loops from vinyl) because they put rca jacks and a phono pre-amp in it. so ther repeater reminds me of leeds united's beloved alan smith- great potential, but immature. or is it more like olivier dacourt, slow and unresponsive? I've had trouble getting it to pay enough attention to my urgent button pushing, and it usually blames the cfc card..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>thanks for quantifying what i felt about the Repe= ater.

I'm a keybaordist, and the latency was irritating enough = that it kept
me from being able to use it in a rhythmic context.<&= lt;

it's unusable for looping up my band's "berlin schoo= l" sequencer parts. sort of makes you wonder what on earth they were t= hinking.... I've never felt inclined to hook up a pair of SL1200's and a ci= tronic, and I'm guessing I would've been disappointed if I had, but they mu= st've investigated it's performance with turntables (with a view to DJ's us= ing it for building up rhythmic loops from vinyl) because they put rca jack= s and a phono pre-amp in it.

so ther repeater reminds me of leeds united's beloved ala= n smith- great potential, but immature. or is it more like olivier dacourt,= slow and unresponsive? I've had trouble getting it to pay enough attention= to my urgent button pushing, and it usually blames the cfc card.....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3512B.F2CA8CB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 12:20:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NGHTV06800; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:17:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:17:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030723140533.02ccbe78@pop.chello.se> Subject: Re: Re:New Apple Loop/Music software Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2003 16:17:23.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[E63B0510:01C35135] Resent-Message-ID: <5kreMD.A.IqB.ZUrH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >A lot of those "Apple Loops" (the bass and drum ones) were done by me. >Jair-Rôhm Cool! They had me in for a session as well and apparently there's a bunch of drum and percussion loops in there done by me. I understand that Apple purchased a large portion of the loops from independantly produced loop collections, but also included quite a few loops of local musicians produced specifically for the first release. I haven't got the chance to check out the finished product yet, as I'm a pc user. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 13:27:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NHOW912796; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:24:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030723141039.02cee6b8@pop.chello.se> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030723141039.02cee6b8@pop.chello.se> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:24:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: New Apple Loop/Music software Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:16 PM +0200 7/23/03, Jair-Rohm wrote: >I'm not sure if this bit of information is declassified or not but it's a (much improved) Mac port of Acid. Is it an actual port from the same code base or a re-implementation of the same concepts? I haven't heard it described as a port so much as a clone of sorts. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 13:30:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NHQvq13059; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:26:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:26:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <72.30182d77.2c501f5d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:26:53 EDT Subject: Re: semi-OT:Claude review/ted's repsonse...etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6NHQvk13032 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, et al, In a message dated 7/23/03 7:41:12 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >If you want feedback, why not just post a few mp3s and save yourself >the heartache of mailing so many CDs? I get good feedback this way >and I don't have to spend a dime on postage. Because not many (if any) actual print publications will consider reviewing an MP3 posted on the internet. Sure, an online e-zine might just possibly. But, I think it'd be rare even then. I don't want mere feedback. I want actual REVIEWS by people who might have the credibility and visibility to influence listeners (and hopefully buyers) and/or other future reviewers of my projects. I want to keep doing this (making music). And, I want to make it at least a semi- self-propagating activity eventually. Don't worry. I won't quit my "day job." I can assure you I am smarter than that. Heheh. But, I want to keep it going and growing. The kind words of colleagues and/or friends are ALWAYS truly appreciated! Nothing can take the place of the good feeling of having a sense that you are even "somewhat" esteemed by your peers. However, a semi-positive quotable line or two by a professional critic from even a minor print publication or a notable e-zine is ten times more useful in the long run -- in getting gigs, generating interest and a modicum of local, regional, national "visibility," and in being taken (at least a little bit, heheh) semiseriously. I am hoping that the next time I send out CDs I will be sending them out to people who remember my last project (even positively, one would hope) and have a certain expectation and/or prior knowledge of what I do. Therefore, I hope I will not have to send out quite as many since the "Flux" CD was my debut solo product and I was entirely an unknown entity to all of the recipients this time around. The only thing they had to "go on" was the pfMENTUM label. Those 750 CDs went out to the label's regularly "purged" list of reviewers and programmers who have already previously responded positively to their other offerings. Additionally, I want actual radio airplay. Internet radio is great too. But, not everyone is listening to that just yet. I do not know of any FM radio broadcast that mixes in music obtained from online in their playlists. It may occur, but I am not aware of it. Programmers (just like reviewers) get 100s of discs a day from people saying "Please, please play/review my new record." It is hard for them to open up and weed through all the stuff as it is. If you simply send them an e-mail and say "Please, check out my website and my MP3s. Click here to go to www.mymusic.com" you make that "weeding" process all the more difficult for THEM actually. So far, I know that cuts from "Flux Aeterna" were at least played by these radio outlets (because they publish their playlists online and not all stations do): WNCW 88.7 FM Spindale,Spindale NC USA WSIA 88.9 FM Staten Island, NY USA WSUM 91.7 FM Madison, WI USA KUCI.88.9 FM Irvine,CA USA WOMR 92.1 FM Provincetown, MA USA KDSU 91.9 FM Fargo, ND USA KCSB 91.9 FM Santa Barbara, CA USA WXYC 89.3 FM Chapel Hill, NC USA KLCC 89.7 FM Eugene OR USA WORT-FM 89.9 Madison WI USA KZSU 90.1 FM Stanford, CA USA KDVS 90.3 FM Davis, CA USA KSDS 88.7 FM San Diego, CA USA WPKN 89.5 FM Bridgeport, CT USA KBCS 91.3 FM Bellevue, WA USA KFJC 89.7 FM Los Altos Hills, CA USA WHUS 91.7 Storrs, CT USA CKUT 90.3 FM Montreal, Quebec Canada CFLX 95.5 FM Sherbrooke, Québec Canada CJAM 91.5 FM Windsor, Ontario Canada CIUT 89.5 FM Toronto, Ontario Canada 3D Radio 93.7FM Adelaide, Australia RTR 92.1 FM Perth, Western Australia FRK 105.8 FM Kassel, Germany RCV 99 FM Lille, France 90.1 FM Sens, France RCV 100.4 FM Barcelona Spain RF 91.5 FM Barcelona Spain KAPSAI FM 100.2 Marijampole, Lithuania Radio Indonesia 102.1 FM Mekarsari - Cimanggis, Indonesia Not too shabby for a 50-year-old half-wit "nobody" with minimal talent and an ugly guitar to boot, huh? At least I think so. The idea that somebody, somewhere, who doesn't speak my language and may not even share any of my cultural references or values hears and enjoys my music sends chills up and down my spine. Not THAT'S cool! When you send a physical CD you are making a statement of commitment and professionalism (for the lack of a better word). If you are on a label that they might already be familiar with, this helps. If you package it right and make your CD visibly stand out (in a positive way somehow) from the others in the pile on their desk, this helps too. You are giving them clues as to who you are (or might be) to help them weed. If you're an unknown artist, it may peak their curiosity just enough to get them to give it a try and listen to it for a minute or two. The rest is up to the music itself to reward/fulfill that curiosity and earn you the review or the airplay you seek. This is not to say that the paradigm is not changing even as we speak. The internet is becoming musically more important all the time. It's likely that someday it WILL be standard practice to simply send an fancy HTML e-mail with direct links for reviewers and radio programmers to follow to your online audio files -- to some degree or another. This could include all of the photos and PR stuff that is expected and mandatory (in physical form) now and still accomplish all of the same goals as before. However, with this will come abuses. This whole scheme smells an awful lot like SPAM. And I, for one, am not sure I want to become a professional music spammer. Just how are those reviewers and programmers supposed to weed through all of this e-mail? A subject line can say only just so much. Will we have to titillate, bribe, or outright lie? As I said before, a lot of good will and good feeling is generated when we offer positive feedback on each other's musical efforts on Loopers' Delight. Several kind people on this list have said some truly, amazingly nice things to me about my music. So nice, in fact, as to be rather hard to believe. Yet, on a personal level, this still means a heck of a lot -- to be "well thought of" by a community of peers -- that even the occasional hyperbole is regarded with a good deal of warmth. It buoys up the spirits. But, a good review is important too . . . to me at least . . . and it has it's own unique usefulness in regards to keeping the whole process going along, project after project. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 14:37:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NIZMX24503; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:35:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:35:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:35:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Raül Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping-structure Reply-To: rauboto@ad-free.info X-Originating-Ip: [62.57.114.201] Message-Id: <20030723183521.31C3CAC04@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Labas! food for thought or simply, i'm an idiot: What things can you do with realtime looping, that doesn't go in the direction of "one man band"? More precise, things that would not be possible or even would be *trickier* if more people (of course, without loop machines)was involved to perform them? Aciu! Viso gero! Ral _____________________________________________________________ Who Needs Yahoo? http://www.ad-free.net - Absolutely No Advertising! - Newest Addition: http://ShoppingForDisney.com _____________________________________________________________ If somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our anti-spam policy here: http://www.ad-free.net/antispam.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 14:52:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NInWE26638; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:49:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:49:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: semi-OT:Claude review/ted's repsonse...etc Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:49:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c3514b$22784410$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <72.30182d77.2c501f5d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6NInVk26614 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to get radio airplay, send a few discs to WDET in Detroit. They are probably the most progressive and open minded radio station in the country. I've heard every style of music you can imagine there. I make my shopping list for music based on their playlists. They even post them! http://www.wdet.org I wish there were more stations like this one! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT:Claude review/ted's repsonse...etc Mark, et al, In a message dated 7/23/03 7:41:12 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >If you want feedback, why not just post a few mp3s and save yourself >the heartache of mailing so many CDs? I get good feedback this way >and I don't have to spend a dime on postage. Because not many (if any) actual print publications will consider reviewing an MP3 posted on the internet. Sure, an online e-zine might just possibly. But, I think it'd be rare even then. I don't want mere feedback. I want actual REVIEWS by people who might have the credibility and visibility to influence listeners (and hopefully buyers) and/or other future reviewers of my projects. I want to keep doing this (making music). And, I want to make it at least a semi- self-propagating activity eventually. Don't worry. I won't quit my "day job." I can assure you I am smarter than that. Heheh. But, I want to keep it going and growing. The kind words of colleagues and/or friends are ALWAYS truly appreciated! Nothing can take the place of the good feeling of having a sense that you are even "somewhat" esteemed by your peers. However, a semi-positive quotable line or two by a professional critic from even a minor print publication or a notable e-zine is ten times more useful in the long run -- in getting gigs, generating interest and a modicum of local, regional, national "visibility," and in being taken (at least a little bit, heheh) semiseriously. I am hoping that the next time I send out CDs I will be sending them out to people who remember my last project (even positively, one would hope) and have a certain expectation and/or prior knowledge of what I do. Therefore, I hope I will not have to send out quite as many since the "Flux" CD was my debut solo product and I was entirely an unknown entity to all of the recipients this time around. The only thing they had to "go on" was the pfMENTUM label. Those 750 CDs went out to the label's regularly "purged" list of reviewers and programmers who have already previously responded positively to their other offerings. Additionally, I want actual radio airplay. Internet radio is great too. But, not everyone is listening to that just yet. I do not know of any FM radio broadcast that mixes in music obtained from online in their playlists. It may occur, but I am not aware of it. Programmers (just like reviewers) get 100s of discs a day from people saying "Please, please play/review my new record." It is hard for them to open up and weed through all the stuff as it is. If you simply send them an e-mail and say "Please, check out my website and my MP3s. Click here to go to www.mymusic.com" you make that "weeding" process all the more difficult for THEM actually. So far, I know that cuts from "Flux Aeterna" were at least played by these radio outlets (because they publish their playlists online and not all stations do): WNCW 88.7 FM Spindale,Spindale NC USA WSIA 88.9 FM Staten Island, NY USA WSUM 91.7 FM Madison, WI USA KUCI.88.9 FM Irvine,CA USA WOMR 92.1 FM Provincetown, MA USA KDSU 91.9 FM Fargo, ND USA KCSB 91.9 FM Santa Barbara, CA USA WXYC 89.3 FM Chapel Hill, NC USA KLCC 89.7 FM Eugene OR USA WORT-FM 89.9 Madison WI USA KZSU 90.1 FM Stanford, CA USA KDVS 90.3 FM Davis, CA USA KSDS 88.7 FM San Diego, CA USA WPKN 89.5 FM Bridgeport, CT USA KBCS 91.3 FM Bellevue, WA USA KFJC 89.7 FM Los Altos Hills, CA USA WHUS 91.7 Storrs, CT USA CKUT 90.3 FM Montreal, Quebec Canada CFLX 95.5 FM Sherbrooke, Québec Canada CJAM 91.5 FM Windsor, Ontario Canada CIUT 89.5 FM Toronto, Ontario Canada 3D Radio 93.7FM Adelaide, Australia RTR 92.1 FM Perth, Western Australia FRK 105.8 FM Kassel, Germany RCV 99 FM Lille, France 90.1 FM Sens, France RCV 100.4 FM Barcelona Spain RF 91.5 FM Barcelona Spain KAPSAI FM 100.2 Marijampole, Lithuania Radio Indonesia 102.1 FM Mekarsari - Cimanggis, Indonesia Not too shabby for a 50-year-old half-wit "nobody" with minimal talent and an ugly guitar to boot, huh? At least I think so. The idea that somebody, somewhere, who doesn't speak my language and may not even share any of my cultural references or values hears and enjoys my music sends chills up and down my spine. Not THAT'S cool! When you send a physical CD you are making a statement of commitment and professionalism (for the lack of a better word). If you are on a label that they might already be familiar with, this helps. If you package it right and make your CD visibly stand out (in a positive way somehow) from the others in the pile on their desk, this helps too. You are giving them clues as to who you are (or might be) to help them weed. If you're an unknown artist, it may peak their curiosity just enough to get them to give it a try and listen to it for a minute or two. The rest is up to the music itself to reward/fulfill that curiosity and earn you the review or the airplay you seek. This is not to say that the paradigm is not changing even as we speak. The internet is becoming musically more important all the time. It's likely that someday it WILL be standard practice to simply send an fancy HTML e-mail with direct links for reviewers and radio programmers to follow to your online audio files -- to some degree or another. This could include all of the photos and PR stuff that is expected and mandatory (in physical form) now and still accomplish all of the same goals as before. However, with this will come abuses. This whole scheme smells an awful lot like SPAM. And I, for one, am not sure I want to become a professional music spammer. Just how are those reviewers and programmers supposed to weed through all of this e-mail? A subject line can say only just so much. Will we have to titillate, bribe, or outright lie? As I said before, a lot of good will and good feeling is generated when we offer positive feedback on each other's musical efforts on Loopers' Delight. Several kind people on this list have said some truly, amazingly nice things to me about my music. So nice, in fact, as to be rather hard to believe. Yet, on a personal level, this still means a heck of a lot -- to be "well thought of" by a community of peers -- that even the occasional hyperbole is regarded with a good deal of warmth. It buoys up the spirits. But, a good review is important too . . . to me at least . . . and it has it's own unique usefulness in regards to keeping the whole process going along, project after project. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 14:54:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NIpgb26988; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:51:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:51:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c3514b$81f351f0$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <20030723183521.31C3CAC04@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: looping-structure (Brad Mehldau looping) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:51:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-fi04D.A.ilG.9ktH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the things I would like to get to the point of being able to do with the EDP (my looper of choice) is to emulate some of the things Brad Mehldau does on the piano, with my bass. He does this thing where he will be playing a melody with his right hand and then go up and start playing an ostinato, and then he begins playing a really distinct counter melody with his left hand while his first line is up there twiddling around. My favorite example of this is from Art of the Trio IV: Live at the Village Vanguard, on the track "Nice Pass." If I could get fluid enough with the EDP and tight enough with my pedal presses, I could play in some kind of high, notey ostinato and then play something underneath just like that. But then you need a drummer who plays in time and listens, or just to be fluid enough that you can kill the loop on the fly when it drifts out of sync with everyone. I would like to get to the point where I can loop two and a half beats or so on the fly a couple times and use the EDP like an extra set of hands for certain phrases. Hmm... Maybe I should go practice instead of writing this email. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raül Bonell" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: looping-structure > Labas! > > food for thought or simply, i'm an idiot: > > What things can you do with realtime looping, > that doesn't go in the direction of "one man band"? > More precise, things that would not be possible or > even would be *trickier* if more people (of course, > without loop machines)was involved to perform them? > > Aciu! > Viso gero! > Ral From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 15:03:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NIxtb28068; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:59:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:59:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:59:47 -0700 Subject: Re: looping-structure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030723183521.31C3CAC04@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6NIxrk28041 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many, many things. One of my favorites is to start a loop and build. Sure, I could do that with multiple people. Then I'll stop feeding the loop and begin playing over it. Still something that could be done with a band. THEN I open the loop back up and set the feedback to say 65%. I can add new stuff while the old fades until I end up with a totally different loop. That would be nearly impossible to do with a band. Sure one could get 15 guitarists to play the same phrase over and over slightly lowering their volume with each pass, but who (unless you're in Philip Glass's band) wants to do that? So other than the fading/replacing thing, there's the question of how do you get a bunch of people to play a phrase over and over and over again. While it's a great effect when all the layers are looping along together, I think most musicians want to stretch out a bit and explore... as I'm doing when I loop. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 11:35 AM, Raül Bonell wrote: > Labas! > > food for thought or simply, i'm an idiot: > > What things can you do with realtime looping, > that doesn't go in the direction of "one man band"? > More precise, things that would not be possible or > even would be *trickier* if more people (of course, > without loop machines)was involved to perform them? > > Aciu! > Viso gero! > Ral > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Who Needs Yahoo? > http://www.ad-free.net - Absolutely No Advertising! > - > Newest Addition: http://ShoppingForDisney.com > > _____________________________________________________________ > If somebody used our e-mail system for spamming, please follow our > anti-spam policy here: > http://www.ad-free.net/antispam.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 15:28:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NJPsR31135; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:25:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:25:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:25:46 -0700 Subject: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030723143512.84198.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <2hMHC.A.ZmH.BFuH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:35 AM, S V G wrote: > So how far away is 12.5 ms? I know that it's really simple math, > though > I'm unsure as to how much of a second is a ms. Is it .001? Yup. I measure the Repeater's latency to be .0011 ms. Kim got a little higher, but maybe with the first OS things were a bit worse (they sure were!) I'm pretty sure my method was accurate and I tried it several times. > If so, then the perceived distance is a little over 14 feet away, or > 4.3 meters (assuming 68 degrees F or 20 degrees C). Huh, I guess this > puts things in a perspective of sorts. I try to keep my onstage > monitors about 4 feet away from my head, and on the same plane (3.5 ms > latency through the air). Great way to look at it. Makes me realize I'm not crazy to not be effected by the 11 ms latency I'm getting. When I play shows my speakers are often at least 14 ft away from where I'm playing and it doesn't trip up my sense of timing. (Hey drummer, can you move a bit closer, I'm getting lag between the light I'm seeing and what I'm hearing, thanks!) Maybe my brain just compensates for everything as brains are good at sometimes. Apple brags a possible < 4 ms latency in MIDI with OSX which I'm assuming is better than most. Man, I'm so used to MIDI and MIDI guitar and computers my idea of "real time" has become very lax. > There is also latency on a grand piano, and great latency > on a pipe organ. And I'm always late to work... Interesting point. When I started my job here, I was told "Oh, the design staff gets here at 10:00 because content usually comes in later in the day and you'll be expected to stay until 7 or 8. I did this for 2.5 years. Some jerk complained when he couldn't find files I had worked on the night before. (I hid them on the company's server in the proper folder figuring no one would look where they were supposed to be) Anyway, even though I was called on my cell and got them the files, I was asked to start coming in at 9, so I did. What a difference. I got several "Wow, you're work has been great the last few weeks." type comments to myself and my boss. *Nothing* changed other than the fact that I started coming in an hour earlier. Because they don't often know what I should be doing, that hour is usually wasted, but they don't perceive it that way at all. So in the end it's all about perception. If took the blue dye out of my hair and wore Dockers to work every day, who knows? I might run this place one day. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 16:03:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NK0po02483; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:00:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:00:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:00:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <588F23C6-BD48-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like both. Warm yummy crunch of tubes and new interesting sounds. I think the best sonic manipulation can happen when you start with a great tone to begin with (pick pre-amp of choice) and then add the craziness. My biggest influences have all decided to use a nice tube pre in their system and after years of experimenting, I do admit I like them too. On the other hand, I leave my tube amps home and gig with digital modelers. They are plenty good enough for me at a gig and much lighter. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:29 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > yes, i will say that when i was listening to david's demo cd of the > reaktor 4 as gtr processor i thought: "if you're a > vintage/tone-guru/tube > preamp is KING/etc" type of person, i was thinking that you > will not like david's demo cd. and if your idea of "enough > filter" is a nice old crybaby wah, then again, you probably wouldn't > like it. > but if you're like me, who's never owned one of the classic vintage > tube amps that "all the biggies play", and like to hear new > sounds, it's a fun cd to listen to. > s--- > > > > > >> Perhaps I should have been clearer. These mp3s were actually offered >> to a >> Reaktor-Composer's forum, as part of a different dialog. I mentioned >> them >> here only because they ARE extracted from the R4 demo CD I made, but >> they're not typical of the 25 or so minutes of demos on it, since >> each of >> these is a ramble thru a single effect preset, as opposed to the bulk >> of >> the demo, which is many short passes thru many different presets of a >> bunch >> of Reaktor virtual processors. So, if you want a better idea of the >> range >> of R4 FX, send me an address and I'll forward a copy of the whole >> thing. >> >> Even so, the point of any of these tracks is NOT Reaktor as a preamp >> or amp >> simulator...it's the FX. >> Reaktor4 now includes a guitar-amp/speaker simulator, but I didn't >> bother >> to demo it since I'm not interested in using the computer to make a >> guitar >> sound like a guitar. The preamps I used include VG8/88, PodXT, and >> GT6, so >> I guess our tastes in preamp sounds differ? I hadn't even considered >> that >> that would matter. I also prefer hardware for some stuff, but I've >> ditched >> a couple of mpx1's and Vortex's along the way in my exploration of >> digital >> fx, and don't miss 'em at all. Reaktor outshines them, for my >> purposes, in >> every conceivable way. >> dc >> >> >> >> >> >> mark >> >> > sing.net> cc: >> >> Subject: Re: Reaktor 4 as gtr processor >> 07/22/2003 >> 04:13 PM >> >> Please respond >> to >> Loopers-Deligh >> t >> >> >> >> Hmmm, I'm listening to the samples... and I'm a bit unimpressed. >> They're at a high bitrate, yet they sound thin... were you going >> directly into some A/D converter when you made this? I'm curious to >> know the recording process... sounds like the guitar wasn't put >> through >> a good preamp or something. >> >> Other than that the effects sound interesting, but for $500 I'd just >> as >> soon get a couple of Lexicon Vortexes or a used Lexicon MPX1 and free >> up my CPU for other stuff. Maybe I'm just old school but I like >> dedicated hardware for some stuff. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 16:08:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NK71Y02977; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:07:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:07:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: Repeater latency Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:06:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I gotta say-- I bought a Repeater to use as a second looper along side an Echoplex DP. I plugged a tone module into both units and tried to play percussion--and got flams! Need I say more? Gary PS The second EDP I am now using for percussion loops DOES NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM and seems to have provided a fairly reliable solution to my situation. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 16:16:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NKDm803682; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F1EEB53.BB5542FD@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:08:51 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Claude Voit's CD References: <1c8.cf862e2.2c4ec643@aol.com> <009b01c3510b$a8081d20$0100a8c0@black> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6XOT8.A.Z5.8xuH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Claude, Is there any chance people could get a copy of your first CD "See What"? Is it for sale anywhere? I've heard nothing but good thing about it, and the few minutes Matthias played for me last year sounded great, so I'd certainly like to pick up a copy if you'd like to sell it to me... --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 16:39:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NKZhd06134; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:35:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <36DA6AA8-BD4D-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I gotta say-- you are using the Repeater incorrectly or have/had a defective unit because plain and simply this isn't the case with mine or any of the others I've encountered in my day. I hear Jon Wagner playing with one with no flammage to speak of, though he does mention he can notice the 11 ms latency. I know this is the EDP list and people love to flame the Repeater. I know the Repeater is far from perfect, but let's try to stick with the facts. I've been putting keyboard triggered percussion into the Repeater a lot lately and it's fine for such things. Do you think Rick Walker would use one if it had such an issue? Nope. Nor would I. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 01:06 PM, Relay wrote: > I gotta say-- > I bought a Repeater to use as a second looper along side an Echoplex > DP. I > plugged a tone module into both units and tried to play > percussion--and got > flams! > Need I say more? > Gary > PS The second EDP I am now using for percussion loops DOES NOT HAVE > THIS > PROBLEM and seems to have provided a fairly reliable solution to my > situation. > G > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 17:01:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NKwS507953; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:58:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:58:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Funny Fresh MP3 posted ;-D Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:58:33 -0500 Message-ID: <018501c3515d$2dcf6200$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <000501c350a3$e9282740$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent, as usual... >... > And please no reviews ;-)))) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 17:20:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NLJBB09738; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:19:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:19:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Repeater latency Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:19:15 -0500 Message-ID: <018901c35160$1259ef60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <36DA6AA8-BD4D-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > .... > I know this is the EDP list ... >... now your asking for trouble. are you trying to tip the most cranky award to someone else? someone specific, maybe? hmmmm? starts with a k? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 17:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NLRZ710608; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:27:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:27:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c35161$6dbdaad0$a6b95b0c@gardner4njmx9q> From: "redrum123" To: References: <002f01c34d85$b0839b70$0e715c0c@gardner4njmx9q> Subject: Re: Bass Hum Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:28:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it's been fixed. Here's the bag. Me and my friends (I'm 20) set up a studio in my parents basement, with assorted equipment of all kinds (it's really too nice), and we put an ultraexpensive dimmer on the lights (touch sensitive dimming), which causes the lights to hum. After I went to guitar center and figured out there was no hum when I plugged her into thier amps, and talking with one of the guys there who didn't know as much as me + etc. etc. etc. I went down to our studio and plugged it in with the lights off kinda in a rush, and bam diggity no hum. New lightswitch being installed ahora mismo. Thanks a GREAT DEAL for the help, I wear my t-shirt proudly. -gardner From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 17:43:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NLfYJ12149; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01cb01c35163$87641080$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <002f01c34d85$b0839b70$0e715c0c@gardner4njmx9q> <001b01c35161$6dbdaad0$a6b95b0c@gardner4njmx9q> Subject: Re: Bass Hum Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:44:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "redrum123" > Well, it's been fixed. Here's the bag. > > Me and my friends (I'm 20) set up a studio in my parents basement, with > assorted equipment of all kinds (it's really too nice), and we put an > ultraexpensive dimmer on the lights (touch sensitive dimming), which causes > the lights to hum. > > After I went to guitar center and figured out there was no hum when I > plugged her into thier amps, and talking with one of the guys there who > didn't know as much as me + etc. etc. etc. I went down to our studio and > plugged it in with the lights off kinda in a rush, and bam diggity no hum. > New lightswitch being installed ahora mismo. > > Thanks a GREAT DEAL for the help, I wear my t-shirt proudly. Light dimmer = one of the classic reasons for hum! * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 17:55:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NLnqS13208; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c35164$66539900$520cfc0c@amd> Reply-To: "Jesse Ray Lucas" From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <002f01c34d85$b0839b70$0e715c0c@gardner4njmx9q> <001b01c35161$6dbdaad0$a6b95b0c@gardner4njmx9q> <01cb01c35163$87641080$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Bass Hum meets Repeater Latency... Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:50:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe it's the dimmer switches that are affecting some people's Repeater latency... ;) -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Bass Hum > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "redrum123" > > > Well, it's been fixed. Here's the bag. > > > > Me and my friends (I'm 20) set up a studio in my parents basement, with > > assorted equipment of all kinds (it's really too nice), and we put an > > ultraexpensive dimmer on the lights (touch sensitive dimming), which > causes > > the lights to hum. > > > > After I went to guitar center and figured out there was no hum when I > > plugged her into thier amps, and talking with one of the guys there who > > didn't know as much as me + etc. etc. etc. I went down to our studio and > > plugged it in with the lights off kinda in a rush, and bam diggity no hum. > > New lightswitch being installed ahora mismo. > > > > Thanks a GREAT DEAL for the help, I wear my t-shirt proudly. > > Light dimmer = one of the classic reasons for hum! > > > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 18:25:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NMOIZ19658; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:24:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:24:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Bass Hum Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:24:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c35169$246412e0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01cb01c35163$87641080$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AND it is unlikely replacing the dimmer will solve your problem. Florescent lighting is a HUGE problem. Best of luck! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Hum ----- Original Message ----- From: "redrum123" > Well, it's been fixed. Here's the bag. > > Me and my friends (I'm 20) set up a studio in my parents basement, with > assorted equipment of all kinds (it's really too nice), and we put an > ultraexpensive dimmer on the lights (touch sensitive dimming), which causes > the lights to hum. > > After I went to guitar center and figured out there was no hum when I > plugged her into thier amps, and talking with one of the guys there who > didn't know as much as me + etc. etc. etc. I went down to our studio and > plugged it in with the lights off kinda in a rush, and bam diggity no hum. > New lightswitch being installed ahora mismo. > > Thanks a GREAT DEAL for the help, I wear my t-shirt proudly. Light dimmer = one of the classic reasons for hum! * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 19:08:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NN5FB23884; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:05:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c35169$246412e0$7f613d44@soulfruit> References: <000a01c35169$246412e0$7f613d44@soulfruit> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:05:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: RE: Bass Hum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a typical dimmer for incandescent (old-fashioned or halogen) bulbs chops up the waveform in way that, if it was audio, would make any grunge guitarist happy. In fact, I wonder that no one has made an SCR fuzz box, that I know of...hmmm... run guitar through step-up transformer-- plug into cheap dimmer-- step back down (or not) then into amp-- look ma! Sound, lights and smoke effects in one cabinet! btw he didn't mention fluorescents-- but while we're off topic, modern high-frequency ballasts (some of them at least) are a lot better with regards to induced hum and buzz. At 6:24 PM -0400 7/23/03, Will Brake wrote: >AND it is unlikely replacing the dimmer will solve your problem. >Florescent lighting is a HUGE problem. Best of luck! > >Respect > >Will Brake >Soul Fruit Electronics > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:44 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Bass Hum > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "redrum123" > >> Well, it's been fixed. Here's the bag. >> >> Me and my friends (I'm 20) set up a studio in my parents basement, >with >> assorted equipment of all kinds (it's really too nice), and we put an >> ultraexpensive dimmer on the lights (touch sensitive dimming), which >causes >> the lights to hum. >> >> After I went to guitar center and figured out there was no hum when I >> plugged her into thier amps, and talking with one of the guys there >who >> didn't know as much as me + etc. etc. etc. I went down to our studio >and >> plugged it in with the lights off kinda in a rush, and bam diggity no >hum. >> New lightswitch being installed ahora mismo. >> >> Thanks a GREAT DEAL for the help, I wear my t-shirt proudly. > >Light dimmer = one of the classic reasons for hum! > > >* David Beardsley >* microtonal guitar >* http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 19:21:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NNJwX25412; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:19:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:19:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c35170$edcf2af0$9ab479a5@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: Subject: Robert Rich looping two nights in Denver THIS WEEKEND! Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:19:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C3513E.A244B5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9404438238e55744141a75e7af33328e631350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: <3I8zx.A.7MG.egxH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C3513E.A244B5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings loopers! Thought some of you might wish to know about = this.... Robert Rich will be doing two nights of music in Denver this weekend, as = he winds his way west on his US tour. The first night, Friday, June 25, is part of the first stateside = AmbientLive festival. It will take place at the Temple Events Center (a = needlessly large, but beautiful hall). The Temple Events Center is near = downtown Denver at 16th Ave and Pearl Street. For those of you in the = Denver/Boulder area, i'd HIGHLY recommend checking it out. You can get = more info here: http://www.project-aristotle.com/store/displays/al2k3/index.html This would be a great chance to support ambient music in a live setting = and see some wonderful electronic music and live loopage at the same = time. The second night, Saturday, June 26, Robert will be performing a house = concert in my home in southeast Denver. There's only one seat = available, only 30 people will fit in my living room! : ) If = interested, please contact me off-list. We have audience members coming = from Canada and Japan for this special event. So, i'd really encourage to get out and check out Robert this weekend. = If you live in the Denver/Boulder area, i really hope that you'll = consider coming down and supporting ambient music and live loopage at = the Temple Events Center. Project Aristotle records is curating the = event, that one is not my baby, but i did get Robert here to town, so = please take advantage and check it out! cheers, jim. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C3513E.A244B5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings loopers!  Thought some = of you might=20 wish to know about this....
 
Robert Rich will be doing two nights of = music in=20 Denver this weekend, as he winds his way west on his US = tour.
 
The first night, Friday, June 25, is = part of the=20 first stateside AmbientLive festival.  It will take place at the = Temple=20 Events Center (a needlessly large, but beautiful hall).  = The Temple=20 Events Center is near downtown Denver at 16th Ave and Pearl = Street. =20  For those of you in the Denver/Boulder area, i'd HIGHLY recommend = checking=20 it out.  You can get more info here:
http://www.project-aristotle.com/store/displays/al2k3/index.html
 
This would be a great chance to support = ambient=20 music in a live setting and see some wonderful electronic music and live = loopage=20 at the same time.
 
The second night, Saturday, June 26, = Robert will be=20 performing a house concert in my home in southeast Denver.  There's = only=20 one seat available, only 30 people will fit in my living room!  : = ) =20 If interested, please contact me off-list.  We have audience = members coming=20 from Canada and Japan for this special event.
 
So, i'd really encourage to get out and = check out=20 Robert this weekend.  If you live in the Denver/Boulder area, i = really hope=20 that you'll consider coming down and supporting ambient music and live = loopage=20 at the Temple Events Center.  Project Aristotle records is curating = the=20 event, that one is not my baby, but i did get Robert here to town, so = please=20 take advantage and check it out!
 
cheers,
jim.
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C3513E.A244B5A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 19:25:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NNLFx25553; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030724011912.02d09ca0@pop.chello.se> X-Sender: mpf7428@pop.chello.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:21:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jair-Rohm Subject: Re: New Apple Loop/Music software In-Reply-To: <200307231854.h6NIs3427474@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_54135192==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <9XlhoB.A.IPG.rhxH_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_54135192==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At the risk of divulging the ingredients of the secret sauce: Apple actually contracted the guy who invented Acid (yes, lured him away from Sonic Foundry) to develop Soundtrack. JPW ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Thought Communications "Records for people to listen to at home." +46 708 940893 http://mp3.com/jairrohm --=====================_54135192==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At the risk of divulging the ingredients of the secret sauce: Apple actually contracted the guy who invented Acid (yes, lured him away from Sonic Foundry) to develop Soundtrack.

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 --=====================_54135192==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 19:46:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6NNgfI27037; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:42:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:47:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Robert Rich looping two nights in Denver THIS WEEKEND! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005701c35170$edcf2af0$9ab479a5@sipapu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 06:19 PM, James Lanpheer wrote: > Robert Rich will be doing two nights of music in Denver this weekend, > as he winds his way west on his US tour. i just hosted his show last night here in central IL. do not miss seeing him if you get a chance. it's worth it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 22:00:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O1tRB10155; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: New E-Mail Address Test Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:55:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c35186$a33edf60$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 22:21:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O2JXK12272; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:19:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:19:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.163.226] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <36DA6AA8-BD4D-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater latency Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:19:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3514F.52307700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:19:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 02:19:27.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[02047890:01C3518A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3514F.52307700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I bought a Repeater to use as a second looper along side an Echoplex=20 > DP. I > plugged a tone module into both units and tried to play=20 > percussion--and got > flams! Repeater in a send/return signal loop with only partly wet setting, = perhaps? Should also make for a nice phaser. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Repeater latency I gotta say-- you are using the Repeater incorrectly or have/had a defective unit=20 because plain and simply this isn't the case with mine or any of the=20 others I've encountered in my day. I hear Jon Wagner playing with one = with no flammage to speak of, though he does mention he can notice the = 11 ms latency. I know this is the EDP list and people love to flame the Repeater. I=20 know the Repeater is far from perfect, but let's try to stick with the = facts. I've been putting keyboard triggered percussion into the=20 Repeater a lot lately and it's fine for such things. Do you think = Rick=20 Walker would use one if it had such an issue? Nope. Nor would I. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 01:06 PM, Relay wrote: > I gotta say-- > I bought a Repeater to use as a second looper along side an Echoplex = > DP. I > plugged a tone module into both units and tried to play=20 > percussion--and got > flams! > Need I say more? > Gary > PS The second EDP I am now using for percussion loops DOES NOT HAVE = > THIS > PROBLEM and seems to have provided a fairly reliable solution to my > situation. > G > ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3514F.52307700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> I bought a Repeater to use as a second looper along side an = Echoplex=20
> DP.  I
> plugged a tone module into both units and = tried to=20 play
> percussion--and got
> flams!
Repeater in a send/return signal loop with only partly wet setting, = perhaps?
 
Should also make for a nice phaser.
 
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: mark
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 = 1:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: Repeater = latency

I gotta say--
  you are using the Repeater = incorrectly=20 or have/had a defective unit
because plain and simply this isn't = the case=20 with mine or any of the
others I've encountered in my day.  I = hear=20 Jon Wagner playing with one
with no flammage to speak of, though = he does=20 mention he can notice the
11 ms latency.

I know this is the = EDP=20 list and people love to flame the Repeater.  I
know the = Repeater is=20 far from perfect, but let's try to stick with the
facts.  = I've been=20 putting keyboard triggered percussion into the
Repeater a lot = lately and=20 it's fine for such things.  Do you think Rick
Walker would = use one if=20 it had such an issue?  Nope.  Nor would I.

Mark=20 Sottilaro

On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 01:06  PM, Relay = wrote:

> I gotta say--
> I bought a Repeater to use as = a=20 second looper along side an Echoplex
> DP.  I
> = plugged a=20 tone module into both units and tried to play
> percussion--and = got
> flams!
> Need I say more?
> Gary
> = PS  The=20 second EDP I am now using for percussion loops DOES NOT HAVE
>=20 THIS
> PROBLEM and seems to have provided a fairly reliable = solution to=20 my
> situation.
> = G
>

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3514F.52307700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 22:35:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O2YTk13280; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:34:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:34:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.163.226] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:34:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C35151.66F8AD40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:34:15 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 02:34:23.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[17C0F9E0:01C3518C] Resent-Message-ID: <3DXfv.A.TPD.1W0H_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C35151.66F8AD40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002B_01C35151.66F8AD40" ------=_NextPart_001_002B_01C35151.66F8AD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since the focus has migrated to perception, let me muddy this up a = bit... (a little late in the discussion, pun hardly avoided) In my understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a time = interval during which there is uncertainty. In case of the Repeater's audio path, I'm quite sure it's simply delay, = not latency. A fixed time (however small) during which an audio event at = the input propagates to the output. As acknowledged by the translation, made in an earlier post, into = distance (by way of sound wavelength). Delay can be compensated for (e.g. start earlier, mentally perceive as = something a bit farther away) - latency cannot. For example, the = Repeater's latency for the Start button may result in delayed action, = between zero and something, depending on how often its operating system = polls the state of its buttons. True? But carry on, anyway Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency)=20 On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:35 AM, S V G wrote: > So how far away is 12.5 ms? I know that it's really simple math,=20 > though > I'm unsure as to how much of a second is a ms. Is it .001? Yup. I measure the Repeater's latency to be .0011 ms. Kim got a=20 little higher, but maybe with the first OS things were a bit worse=20 (they sure were!) I'm pretty sure my method was accurate and I tried=20 it several times. > If so, then the perceived distance is a little over 14 feet away, or = > 4.3 meters (assuming 68 degrees F or 20 degrees C). Huh, I guess = this=20 > puts things in a perspective of sorts. I try to keep my onstage=20 > monitors about 4 feet away from my head, and on the same plane (3.5 = ms=20 > latency through the air). Great way to look at it. Makes me realize I'm not crazy to not be=20 effected by the 11 ms latency I'm getting. When I play shows my=20 speakers are often at least 14 ft away from where I'm playing and it=20 doesn't trip up my sense of timing. (Hey drummer, can you move a bit=20 closer, I'm getting lag between the light I'm seeing and what I'm=20 hearing, thanks!) Maybe my brain just compensates for everything as=20 brains are good at sometimes. Apple brags a possible < 4 ms latency = in=20 MIDI with OSX which I'm assuming is better than most. Man, I'm so = used=20 to MIDI and MIDI guitar and computers my idea of "real time" has = become=20 very lax. > There is also latency on a grand piano, and great latency > on a pipe organ. And I'm always late to work... Interesting point. When I started my job here, I was told "Oh, the=20 design staff gets here at 10:00 because content usually comes in later = in the day and you'll be expected to stay until 7 or 8. I did this = for=20 2.5 years. Some jerk complained when he couldn't find files I had=20 worked on the night before. (I hid them on the company's server in = the=20 proper folder figuring no one would look where they were supposed to=20 be) Anyway, even though I was called on my cell and got them the=20 files, I was asked to start coming in at 9, so I did. What a difference. I got several "Wow, you're work has been great the = last few weeks." type comments to myself and my boss. *Nothing*=20 changed other than the fact that I started coming in an hour earlier. = Because they don't often know what I should be doing, that hour is=20 usually wasted, but they don't perceive it that way at all. So in the = end it's all about perception. If took the blue dye out of my hair and wore Dockers to work every = day,=20 who knows? I might run this place one day. Mark Sottilaro ------=_NextPart_001_002B_01C35151.66F8AD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since the focus has migrated to perception, let me muddy this up a = bit...=20 (a little late in the discussion, pun hardly avoided)
 
In my understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a = time=20 interval during which there is uncertainty.
 
In case of the Repeater's audio path, I'm quite sure it's simply = delay, not=20 latency. A fixed time (however small) during which an audio event at the = input=20 propagates to the output.
 
As acknowledged by the translation, made in an earlier = post, into=20 distance (by way of sound wavelength).
 
Delay can be compensated for (e.g. start earlier, mentally perceive = as=20 something a bit farther away) - latency cannot. For example, the = Repeater's=20 latency for the Start button may result in delayed action, between zero = and=20 something, depending on how often its operating system polls the state = of its=20 buttons. True?
 
But carry on, anyway3D"Winking
 
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: mark
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 = 12:25=20 PM
Subject: The doors of = perception (was Re:=20 Repeater latency)

On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:35  AM, S V G=20 wrote:

>  So how far away is 12.5 ms?  I know that = it's=20 really simple math,
> though
> I'm unsure as to how much = of a=20 second is a ms.  Is it .001?

Yup.  I measure the = Repeater's=20 latency to be .0011 ms.  Kim got a
little higher, but maybe = with the=20 first OS things were a bit worse
(they sure were!)  I'm = pretty sure=20 my method was accurate and I tried
it several times.

> = If so,=20 then the perceived distance is a little over 14 feet away, or
> = 4.3=20 meters (assuming 68 degrees F or 20 degrees C).  Huh, I guess = this=20
> puts things in a perspective of sorts.  I try to keep my = onstage=20
> monitors about 4 feet away from my head, and on the same = plane (3.5=20 ms
> latency through the air).

Great way to look at = it. =20 Makes me realize I'm not crazy to not be
effected by the 11 ms = latency I'm=20 getting.  When I play shows my
speakers are often at least 14 = ft away=20 from where I'm playing and it
doesn't trip up my sense of = timing. =20 (Hey drummer, can you move a bit
closer, I'm getting lag between = the light=20 I'm seeing and what I'm
hearing, thanks!) Maybe my brain just = compensates=20 for everything as
brains are good at sometimes.  Apple brags = a=20 possible < 4 ms latency in
MIDI with OSX which I'm assuming is = better=20 than most.  Man, I'm so used
to MIDI and MIDI guitar and = computers my=20 idea of "real time" has become
very lax.

> There is also = latency=20 on a grand piano, and great latency
> on a pipe organ.  And = I'm=20 always late to work...

Interesting point.  When I started = my job=20 here, I was told "Oh, the
design staff gets here at 10:00 because = content=20 usually comes in later
in the day and you'll be expected to stay = until 7=20 or 8.  I did this for
2.5 years.  Some jerk complained = when he=20 couldn't find files I had
worked on the night before.  (I hid = them on=20 the company's server in the
proper folder figuring no one would = look where=20 they were supposed to
be)  Anyway, even though I was called = on my=20 cell and got them the
files, I was asked to start coming in at 9, = so I=20 did.

What a difference.  I got several "Wow, you're work = has been=20 great the
last few weeks." type comments to myself and my = boss. =20 *Nothing*
changed other than the fact that I started coming in an = hour=20 earlier. 
Because they don't often know what I should be = doing, that=20 hour is
usually wasted, but they don't perceive it that way at = all. =20 So in the
end it's all about perception.

If took the blue = dye out=20 of my hair and wore Dockers to work every day,
who knows?  I = might=20 run this place one day.

Mark=20 Sottilaro

------=_NextPart_001_002B_01C35151.66F8AD40-- ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C35151.66F8AD40 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Emoticon3.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <002901c3518c$13447270$e2a31fcc@VAIO> R0lGODlhEwATALMPAP3rUfXu259KJNm4V/HJOObNl+q3J1QgD9yqLv3fQ6qDLNCbLe7JbsSsgbeb XgAAACH5BAEAAA8ALAAAAAATABMAAASo8EkZCiNmsNLOKRNVCN4AJARxNGMYXMAwHOaJDcH0EkAf Hz2UQuHIPQo8n/KkCAQUoEBy6Us0n4vKFDEkJE5Wj2Jh+SoJQ7BCjHB4qcGEUIEwKAzmpXyfMtgH e0p7cn0GXBeDAoMohQsOSIkIfIV2DQEIXnIIAgsplFw5BZiem5wLBgsClRQDoylcArECQ0U6rX64 uFy1LgULCwh1CAtDliG9DkNExiERADs= ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C35151.66F8AD40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 22:39:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O2cNh13848; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:38:20 -0700 Subject: Re: New Apple Loop/Music software From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c35115$754560f0$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/23/03 5:25 AM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > Every AD or > desk top film spot director can't be experneced also in top audio > production. No more than they are also Photoshop experts. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 23:20:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O3EVb16006; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:14:25 -0700 Subject: Re: New Apple Loop/Music software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about me? ;) Final Cut, Photoshop and all the looping you could ever want! Now on sale! Special for you! Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:38 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 7/23/03 5:25 AM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > >> Every AD or >> desk top film spot director can't be experneced also in top audio >> production. > > No more than they are also Photoshop experts. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 23:24:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O3Ng816649; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:23:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.163.226] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: "Reflector Loopers-Delight" Subject: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:23:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01C35158.4849E4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:23:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 03:23:36.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7D5E0D0:01C35192] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C35158.4849E4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a good = search argument to hit the archives with.) One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" button = (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the DL4 run a = few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the last = desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to the = end of the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant. As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper in = advance, since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually have = lots of other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical requirement. Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as accessible and = intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 it = loops stereo/multichannel. The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my = understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop". There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple footpedal, = would need to use hands to press buttons & turn knobs, or would require = a midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next loop, wait for CFC, = hit play" or some such. Not to mention that the next empty loop might be = several loops in the list removed from the current. I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal = implementation might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that = would result in the loop stopping at the end, and with the original loop = loaded in memory. Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the list who = have scratched their head over this same simple problem with positive = outcome? Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance! Best, Nic ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C35158.4849E4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a good = search=20 argument to hit the archives with.)
 
One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" = button=20 (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the DL4 run a = few=20 repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the last desired=20 repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to the end of the = loop,=20 then stop. Very seamless and elegant.
 
As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper in = advance,=20 since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually have lots of = other=20 pedals to hit, often with a time-critical requirement.
 
Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as accessible = and=20 intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 it = loops=20 stereo/multichannel.
 
The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my=20 understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop".
 
There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple = footpedal,=20 would need to use hands to press buttons & turn knobs, or would = require a=20 midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next loop, wait for CFC, hit = play"=20 or some such. Not to mention that the next empty loop might be several = loops in=20 the list removed from the current.
 
I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal = implementation=20 might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that would result in the = loop=20 stopping at the end, and with the original loop loaded in memory.
 
Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the list = who=20 have scratched their head over this same simple problem with positive = outcome?=20 Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance!
 
Best,
Nic
------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C35158.4849E4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 23:34:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O3WWF17262; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:32:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:32:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:32:28 -0700 Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7379CB5A-BD87-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6O3WVk17235 Resent-Message-ID: <294XwC.A.mNE.PN1H_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:34 PM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > Delay can be compensated for (e.g. start earlier, mentally perceive as > something a bit farther away) - latency cannot. Good point, I tested the Repeater about 5 times last night and got the same numbers each time. I guess that is lag or delay. > For example, the Repeater's latency for the Start button may result in > delayed action, between zero and something, depending on how often its > operating system polls the state of its buttons. True? That's not what we're measuring, but sure. What we're measuring is simply the extra time it takes audio to pass through the Repeater. It didn't seem to matter whether or not I was playing a loop, I always ended up with a 11 ms difference between my straight signal and the signal that passed through the Repeater. I must admit that I also had it going through a Lexicon MPX1 (on bypass) so I'm not sure if that had any effect on my numbers. I could take it apart and do it again but that's too much work and I don't care all that much. >  But carry on, anyway I'm carrying. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 23 23:56:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O3kTq18767; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:46:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:46:27 -0700 Subject: Re: semi-OT:Claude review/ted's repsonse...etc From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <72.30182d77.2c501f5d@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/23/03 10:26 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com at ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > The kind words of colleagues and/or friends are ALWAYS truly appreciated! > Nothing can take the place of the good feeling of having a sense that you are > even "somewhat" esteemed by your peers. However, a semi-positive quotable > line or two by a professional critic from even a minor print publication or a > notable e-zine is ten times more useful in the long run -- in getting gigs, > generating interest and a modicum of local, regional, national "visibility," > and in being taken (at least a little bit, heheh) semiseriously. I just got Kim Flint to give me a quote and it didn't even cost a CD. "Another goddamn ambient guitar album." - Kim Flint I haven't quite figured out how to use that in any marketing, however. Mark ---- http://www.baymoon.com/~mark_hamburg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 00:17:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O4Gtk21201; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:16:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:16:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.163.226] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <7379CB5A-BD87-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:16:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C3515F.B7E49620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:16:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 04:16:49.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[677DFFB0:01C3519A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C3515F.B7E49620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> For example, the Repeater's latency for the Start button may result = in=20 >> delayed action, between zero and something, depending on how often = its=20 >> operating system polls the state of its buttons. True? >That's not what we're measuring, but sure. What we're measuring is=20 I only meant to illustrate a process that has the characteristic of = latency (button press to action) compared to a process having the = characteristic of delay (or phase offset), being audio in to audio out. = I should work on my illustration skills. Nic ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C3515F.B7E49620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> For example, the Repeater's latency for the Start button = may=20 result in
>> delayed action, between zero and something, = depending on=20 how often its
>> operating system polls the state of its = buttons.=20 True?

>That's not what we're measuring, but sure.  What = we're=20 measuring is
 
I only meant to illustrate a process that has the = characteristic of=20 latency (button press to action) compared to a process having the = characteristic=20 of delay (or phase offset), being audio in to audio out. I should work = on my=20 illustration skills.
 
Nic
------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C3515F.B7E49620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 01:04:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O52kF25089; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:02:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:02:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:03:47 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c351a0$f8608c40$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting distinction, latency vs. delay. However, I haven't seen "latency" meaning "randomly variable delay" before. It would be handy to have a one word shorthand for "randomly variable delay", though. In any event (pun intended), I think the symptom *is* a fixed interval delay. I assume the Repeater's audio delay is the same whether pitch-shifting or not. Can anybody confirm this? Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Since the focus has migrated to perception, let me muddy this up a bit... (a little late in the discussion, pun hardly avoided) In my understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a time interval during which there is uncertainty. In case of the Repeater's audio path, I'm quite sure it's simply delay, not latency. A fixed time (however small) during which an audio event at the input propagates to the output. As acknowledged by the translation, made in an earlier post, into distance (by way of sound wavelength). Delay can be compensated for (e.g. start earlier, mentally perceive as something a bit farther away) - latency cannot. For example, the Repeater's latency for the Start button may result in delayed action, between zero and something, depending on how often its operating system polls the state of its buttons. True? But carry on, anyway Nic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 01:25:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O5Nr226566; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:23:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:23:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:34 PM -0700 7/23/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >In my understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a time interval during which there is uncertainty. Actually, I have always used jitter as the range of timing uncertainty. Latency I've always used as a close synonym of delay. So, for example if something varied between 7.5 ms and 12.5 ms you could say it had a latency of 10 ms with +-2.5 ms jitter, or a latency of 7.5 with + 5 ms of jitter. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 01:28:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O5Qfn26775; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:26:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:26:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.163.226] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: "Reflector Loopers-Delight" References: <003601c351a0$f8608c40$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:26:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C35169.7717A4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:26:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 05:26:35.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[264A8450:01C351A4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C35169.7717A4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I assume the Repeater's audio delay is the same whether pitch-shifting = or >not. Can anybody confirm this? (Sorry for the earlier empty premail) If it is, it is bound to be artificially made equal by design. The = minimum delay (impulse response) for the pitch shift algorithm has to be = much longer than for unprocessed audio. Physics say that there is less = and less 'pitch' about a portion of sound the shorter you make the time = interval in which you look. I think Mr Flint mentioned a minimum amount = of pre-buffer that the Repeater might apply a priori to anything coming = in, whether it be processed or not. The pre-buffer depth might be such = that it could 'fit' the worst-case number of successive samples to allow = complex ops such as pitch shift or time shift. And in doing so, also be = the origin of the pass-through delay, the subject of this discussion. Nic ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C35169.7717A4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>I assume the Repeater's audio delay is the same whether = pitch-shifting=20 or
>not.  Can anybody confirm this?
 
 
(Sorry for the earlier empty premail)
 
If it is, it is bound to be artificially made equal by design. The = minimum=20 delay (impulse response) for the pitch shift algorithm has to be much = longer=20 than for unprocessed audio. Physics say that there is less and less = 'pitch'=20 about a portion of sound the shorter you make the time interval in which = you=20 look. I think Mr Flint mentioned a minimum amount of pre-buffer that the = Repeater might apply a priori to anything coming in, whether it be = processed or=20 not. The pre-buffer depth might be such that it could 'fit' the = worst-case=20 number of successive samples to allow complex ops such as pitch shift or = time=20 shift. And in doing so, also be the origin of the pass-through delay, = the=20 subject of this discussion.
 
Nic
------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C35169.7717A4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 01:34:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O5VZe27089; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:31:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> References: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:31:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:25 PM -0700 7/23/03, mark wrote: >Yup. I measure the Repeater's latency to be .0011 ms. Yow!!! Now _that's_ low latency. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 01:44:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O5g6G28131; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:42:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:42:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.163.226] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:41:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C3516B.9DF11980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:41:54 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 05:42:00.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D580160:01C351A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C3516B.9DF11980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >At 7:34 PM -0700 7/23/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >>In my understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a = time interval during which there is >>uncertainty. >Actually, I have always used jitter as the range of timing uncertainty. = Latency I've always used as a close >synonym of delay. >So, for example if something varied between 7.5 ms and 12.5 ms you = could say it had a latency of 10 ms with >+-2.5 ms jitter, or a latency = of 7.5 with + 5 ms of jitter. They are indeed rather close synonyms/concepts... Let me try: Delay (simple): a constant phase relationship in time between and = input event and output event. Latency: a time interval within which an output event may be counted = on to occur as the result of an input, but its actual time to occurrence = may not be counted on, and may depend on an unknown variable. Jitter: the difference between the time an output event is intended to = occur, and its actual time of occurrence (OK, I sort of stole this last = one from somewhere). The time it takes the bus to take you from A to B is delay. The time it = takes you to get on the bus depends on when you arrive at the bus stop, = and when it happens to arrive for you to get on. Jitter is the bus's = performance to schedule. Or when the bus driver is hopped up on = caffeine. Nic ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C3516B.9DF11980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>At 7:34 PM -0700 7/23/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
>>In my = understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a time = interval=20 during which there is >>uncertainty.

>Actually, I have = always=20 used jitter as the range of timing uncertainty. Latency I've always used = as a=20 close >synonym of delay.

>So, for example if something = varied=20 between 7.5 ms and 12.5 ms you could say it had a latency of 10 ms with=20 >+-2.5 ms jitter, or a latency of 7.5 with + 5 ms of = jitter.

They are=20 indeed rather close synonyms/concepts... Let me try:
 
Delay (simple): a constant phase relationship in time between and = input=20 event and output event.
 
Latency: a time interval within which an output event may be = counted on=20 to occur as the result of an input, but its actual time to = occurrence may=20 not be counted on, and may depend on an unknown variable.
 
Jitter: the difference between the time an output event is = intended to=20 occur, and its actual time of occurrence (OK, I sort of stole this = last one=20 from somewhere).
 
The time it takes the bus to take you from A to B is delay. The = time it=20 takes you to get on the bus depends on when you arrive at the bus stop, = and when=20 it happens to arrive for you to get on. Jitter is the bus's performance = to=20 schedule. Or when the bus driver is hopped up on caffeine.
 
Nic
------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C3516B.9DF11980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 02:01:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O5wsw29360; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:58:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:58:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:58:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:41 PM -0700 7/23/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >They are indeed rather close synonyms/concepts... Let me try: I understood what you were saying just fine, I was just disagreeing with your definitions. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 02:11:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O611o29608; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:01:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:01:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:00:58 -0700 Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <323060C5-BD9C-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woops... I meant 11ms. On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 10:31 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > At 12:25 PM -0700 7/23/03, mark wrote: >> Yup. I measure the Repeater's latency to be .0011 ms. > > Yow!!! Now _that's_ low latency. > > Chris > > > -- > | In theory, there is no difference between > http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 02:11:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O61WO29750; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:01:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:01:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:09:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05F0_01C3516F.7782DAF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 06:01:25.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[041D0740:01C351A9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05F0_01C3516F.7782DAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable enable track record with overdub/replace toggled to the replace = position. mute the input. press record on beat 1 of the loop and let = it run. This will only kill one track though. Jon One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" = button (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the = DL4 run a few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the = last desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to = the end of the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant. ------=_NextPart_000_05F0_01C3516F.7782DAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
enable track record with overdub/replace toggled = to the=20 replace position.  mute the input.  press record on beat = 1 of the=20 loop and let it run.  This will only kill one track = though.
Jon
 
One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" = button=20 (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the DL4 run = a few=20 repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the last = desired=20 repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to the end of = the loop,=20 then stop. Very seamless and elegant.
------=_NextPart_000_05F0_01C3516F.7782DAF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 04:34:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O8WBc05427; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:32:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:32:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:31:57 +0200 Subject: latency issues From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3141887517_178874_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <19fbW5-1IW1rc0@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: TDIOoOZGreu-d4rBmfaunQYlFHPfY6WQA06a168xZzlxPcpAEVu-8R Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3141887517_178874_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, o.k., I worked for years on getting my timing right ON and any device that corrupts my original signal tonewise and soundwise gets kicked out period. When I first plugged into the RPT (OS 1.1) I thought my hands were numb or my brain plopped or something, it was that bad. Thank god you can mute the dry signal, but my trust in this thing was immediately shattered. Incredible to think that someone might not notice. It's probably like hearing: once you have your ear training covered your tolerance to bad intonation goes way down. So although I liked some of it's features, the RPT didn't stand a chance as a part of my rig. No problems of this sort with any other looper I tried, tho. Will try different latency immulations with a delay unit later today to try the difference between 0, 4ms and 11ms etc. Andreas Willers > So how far away is 12.5 ms? I know that it's really simple math, > though > I'm unsure as to how much of a second is a ms. Is it .001? Yup. I measure the Repeater's latency to be .0011 ms. Kim got a little higher, but maybe with the first OS things were a bit worse (they sure were!) I'm pretty sure my method was accurate and I tried it several times. > If so, then the perceived distance is a little over 14 feet away, or > 4.3 meters (assuming 68 degrees F or 20 degrees C). Huh, I guess this > puts things in a perspective of sorts. I try to keep my onstage > monitors about 4 feet away from my head, and on the same plane (3.5 ms > latency through the air). Great way to look at it. Makes me realize I'm not crazy to not be effected by the 11 ms latency I'm getting. When I play shows my speakers are often at least 14 ft away from where I'm playing and it doesn't trip up my sense of timing. (Hey drummer, can you move a bit closer, I'm getting lag between the light I'm seeing and what I'm hearing, thanks!) Maybe my brain just compensates for everything as brains are good at sometimes. Apple brags a possible < 4 ms latency in MIDI with OSX which I'm assuming is better than most. Man, I'm so used to MIDI and MIDI guitar and computers my idea of "real time" has become very lax. --MS_Mac_OE_3141887517_178874_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable latency issues Hi,
o.k., I worked for years on getting my timing right ON and any device that = corrupts my original signal tonewise and soundwise gets kicked out period. W= hen I first plugged into the RPT (OS 1.1) I thought my hands were numb or my= brain plopped or something, it was that bad. Thank god you can mute the dry= signal, but my trust in this thing was immediately shattered. Incredible to= think that someone might not notice. It's probably like hearing: once you h= ave your ear training covered your tolerance to bad intonation goes way down= . So although I liked some of it's features, the RPT didn't stand a chance a= s a part of my rig. No problems of this sort with any other looper I tried, = tho. Will try different latency immulations with a delay unit later today to= try the difference between 0, 4ms and 11ms etc.
Andreas Willers

>  So how far away is 12.5 ms?  I know that it's really simple= math,
> though
> I'm unsure as to how much of a second is a ms.  Is it .001?

Yup.  I measure the Repeater's latency to be .0011 ms.  Kim got a=
little higher, but maybe with the first OS things were a bit worse
(they sure were!)  I'm pretty sure my method was accurate and I tried =
it several times.

> If so, then the perceived distance is a little over 14 feet away, or <= BR> > 4.3 meters (assuming 68 degrees F or 20 degrees C).  Huh, I guess= this
> puts things in a perspective of sorts.  I try to keep my onstage =
> monitors about 4 feet away from my head, and on the same plane (3.5 ms=
> latency through the air).

Great way to look at it.  Makes me realize I'm not crazy to not be effected by the 11 ms latency I'm getting.  When I play shows my
speakers are often at least 14 ft away from where I'm playing and it
doesn't trip up my sense of timing.  (Hey drummer, can you move a bit =
closer, I'm getting lag between the light I'm seeing and what I'm
hearing, thanks!) Maybe my brain just compensates for everything as
brains are good at sometimes.  Apple brags a possible < 4 ms latenc= y in
MIDI with OSX which I'm assuming is better than most.  Man, I'm so use= d
to MIDI and MIDI guitar and computers my idea of "real time" has = become
very lax.

 --MS_Mac_OE_3141887517_178874_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 04:58:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O8rhQ06738; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:53:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:53:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030724013244.03fc4e68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:55:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) In-Reply-To: References: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:34 PM 7/23/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > >Since the focus has migrated to perception, let me muddy this up a bit... >(a little late in the discussion, pun hardly avoided) > >In my understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a time >interval during which there is uncertainty. no, that's wrong. what you are referring to is jitter, as Chris explained. Jitter in audio is really bad. The Repeater doesn't have that problem, at least so far as I can hear. Jitter in control data is also bad, because you cannot adapt to the random variation. (meaning, if you sent midi commands to a synth, and the time for the sound to come out had some variation.) From what I understand 1ms in jitter is detectable and annoying for trained musicians. On the other hand, latency is more forgiving. If the latency between "do this" and the sound coming out is less than 10 ms, most people will be ok. For me it seems that is not good enough, as I can detect that latency. Probably that is the result of spending too many hours as a teenager practicing picking technique on guitar, when I should have been trying to meet girls. With greater latencies, people will be aware of it, but they can adapt if the latency is constant. >As acknowledged by the translation, made in an earlier post, into distance >(by way of sound wavelength). Yes, and for me it is easy to hear the latency as the speakers are farther away. Your ears can locate sounds and your brain interprets the distance from the location cues. You can adapt your playing to that if you are experienced with it. What I suspect happens for me is my ears have located the sound at a particular distance, yet there is an added delay throwing that off. I find it annoying. It is the same reason I don't like playing midi guitars. If it doesn't bother you, by all means go forth and be happy. We won't condemn you because you have no sense of rhythm. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 05:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O9Aek08117; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 05:10:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 05:10:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: latency issues Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:10:34 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <002901c351c3$7088ec40$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <19fbW5-1IW1rc0@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6O9Adk08093 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Willers [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de] > Will try different latency immulations with a delay unit > later today to try the difference between 0, 4ms and 11ms etc. > Andreas Willers Interesting! Please post your findings :-) I've always been curious about the human perception of timing. What is the smallest delay you can perceive? From layering multiple percussive sounds on the computer I know that extremely small delays have a great musical impact on how we perceive the "colour" or "shape" of the sound. Seems like the brain has a kind of mechanism that analyses the attack and then files it down into a category like "sharp hit", "soft hit", "ummphy hit" or whatever. And what happens then is that, depending on that initial attack, you percieve the rest of the sound a certain way. Like there was some "Altivec" or "SSE2" function built into the brain ;-) However I missed the working live musician perspective in your post regarding RPT latency. I've been touring as a hired musician for periods and one thing you discover under such conditions is how quickly you actually adapt to a different "latency" situation. Here I'm talking about the acoustics of small vs huge stages and different positioning of live monitoring systems. After much live playing I really did not like to play with headphones in the studio because there was "no latency" - i.e. me being used to play three meters away from my guitar amp and five meters away from the drummer. I also think this confusion with timing and latency is more common among guitar players since we rely on loud amplification which is in essence a great part of "the instrument". When out gigging as a saxophonist I never even think about these matters. Either the monitoring system is good and I get my own floor speaker or we play so soft that I can hear my sax rather well acoustically. BTW I too had that horrible feeling when plugging into the Repeater for the fist time. But again, this latency is easily fixed by "direct mute" and putting the RPT in a send loop. Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 05:19:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6O9GUU08442; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 05:16:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 05:16:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030724015859.04769288@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:17:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) In-Reply-To: References: <003601c351a0$f8608c40$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:26 PM 7/23/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > >I assume the Repeater's audio delay is the same whether pitch-shifting or > >not. Can anybody confirm this? > >(Sorry for the earlier empty premail) > >If it is, it is bound to be artificially made equal by design. The minimum >delay (impulse response) for the pitch shift algorithm has to be much >longer than for unprocessed audio. Physics say that there is less and less >'pitch' about a portion of sound the shorter you make the time interval in >which you look. there are a variety of ways to do pitch shifting algorithms in dsp, and they take varying amounts of buffering to implement. I'm only slightly familiar with this subject, so I'm not going to be able to explain the details. check the music-dsp list archives if this is interesting to you. My only issue with the repeater in this case is that the direct through audio suffers this same buffering delay, and passes through a/d -> d/a conversion as well. I don't see the point of that. Direct through should just go direct through. Certainly in a world of musicians insisting their effects should be "true bypass", this is clearly going to annoy a lot of people. Personally, I think "true bypass" is kind of stupid. I don't mind if my signal passes through a few well designed opamps. Digital conversion can produce a lot of artifacts though, so I would rather not see my signals doing that when they don't have to. that's all. YMMV. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 08:04:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OC21Y19043; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:02:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: latency issues--with modeling too? Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 05:01:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few observations-- Per Boysen wrote: BTW I too had that horrible feeling when plugging into the Repeater for the fist time. But again, this latency is easily fixed by "direct mute" and putting the RPT in a send loop. That was only one issue; I had some others as well. Ultimately, however, I think the best part of using two EDPS instead of adding a RPTR as the percussion looper is that the second EDP can be configured to respond identically from MIDI. RPTR will not do its thing from MIDI notes, and I am using a MIDI controller to send notes to control the loopers--so I can have the same set of notes control both EPDs and have them on different MIDI channels, thus requiring only a channel change if I want to switch which unit is being controlled. On the subject of latency--in my quest for the "right" percussion looper, I acquired the Lexicon MPX G2--wound up using it as my guitar processor (duh!) and have noticed a lack of latency as compared with the modeling and digitally processed guitar direct units I have been using for a while (started with the Roland GP-16 ten years ago). The latency is tiny but tangible--kinda like a condom, I like to think--but the G2 doesn't seem to add this latency, I imagine because there's no modeling going on (it's older technology) and it uses analog processing for gain. Any comments on whether this is real or just perceived on my part? The MIDI controller I am using for the EDPs is a Starr Labs MIDI guitar controller, which uses buttons instead of strings and frets, and there is no latency with regard to triggering tone modules. Also just got my copy of Matthias's new albumen--sunny side up of course. Only listened to a little so far, but it shrieks "major release". Nice job on all fronts and thumbs up to Steve Lawson for his role. In a related matter, I did a Google and couldn't find a way to order Claude Voits's CD See What?, released on Disque Office, identified as release number 65315, but I did find some other links: http://www.swiss-music-news.ch/cd/cdlist01.html http://www.diapo.ch/galerie.php/30,441 as well as Matthias's post http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200111/msg00724.html endorsing this as another "fully professional release". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 09:27:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ODNHs24880; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:23:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:23:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <19a.184344e7.2c5137bd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:23:09 EDT Subject: Re: semi-OT:Claude review/ted's repsonse...etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6ODNHk24853 Resent-Message-ID: <2_EdBD.A.kEG.F39H_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 7/23/03 8:46:50 PM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >I just got Kim Flint to give me a quote and it didn't even cost a CD. > "Another goddamn ambient guitar album." - Kim Flint >I haven't quite figured out how to use that in any marketing, however. Now THAT'S funny!! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 10:41:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OEcN532232; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:38:19 -0700 Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030724013244.03fc4e68@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <77C9FA51-BDE4-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 01:55 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > If it doesn't bother you, by all means go forth and be happy. We won't > condemn you because you have no sense of rhythm. Oh, I have a sense of rhythm... IT'S JUST IN THE FUTURE! Exiled here in the past I strive to right the wrongs so that our Statue of Liberty doesn't end up half buried. YOU DAMN DIRTY APES! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 10:57:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OEsor01789; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:54:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:54:30 +0200 Subject: RE: RE: latency issues From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3141910470_223826_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <19fhUN-2GOI760@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: ZBPDv0ZcreUuRQyDCOJaVSH4XV4+Kcd-+Lf2CqU4GL6VcmzEBG0ega Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3141910470_223826_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> Will try different latency immulations with a delay unit >> later today to try the difference between 0, 4ms and 11ms etc. >Per wrote: Interesting! Please post your findings :-) Hej Per, I just set up my G-Force for a single delay, 100% wet, no feedback. Dialing in 12 msec of delay gave my guitar that RPT-land at an instant, like playing in dow. It starts to get better at below 8ms, at below 4ms to zero it's not a big deal IMO. There seems to be something not quite right in the treble region of the attack even with very low delay times (1 and 2ms), just like you mentioned. >Per wrote: However I missed the working live musician perspective in your post >regarding RPT latency. I've been touring as a hired musician for periods >and one thing you discover under such conditions is how quickly you >actually adapt to a different "latency" situation. Here I'm talking >about the acoustics of small vs huge stages and different positioning of >live monitoring systems. After much live playing I really did not like >to play with headphones in the studio because there was "no latency" - >i.e. me being used to play three meters away from my guitar amp and five >meters away from the drummer. Well, as a working musician a)I prefer to play as soft as the music and the environment allows (the less monitoring the better) and b) I try to stand as close to my fellow musicians as possible. It feels better and keeps the music tight. And you are right, with growing experience you can adjust your playing better. I used to be afraid of going into the old studio of the Berlin radio station because it was a converted chamber music hall with rather wet acoustics for time playing, but meanwhile I've got used to it. Best, Andreas Willers --MS_Mac_OE_3141910470_223826_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: RE: latency issues >> Will try different latency immulations with a delay unit
>> later today to try the difference between 0, 4ms and 11ms etc.

>Per wrote: Interesting! Please post your findings :-)

Hej Per, I just set up my G-Force for a single delay, 100% wet, no feedback= . Dialing in 12 msec of delay gave my guitar that RPT-land at an instant, li= ke playing in dow. It starts to get better at below 8ms, at below 4ms to zer= o it's not a big deal IMO. There seems to be something not quite right in th= e treble region of the attack even with very low delay times (1 and 2ms), ju= st like you mentioned.

>Per wrote: However I missed the working live musician perspective in yo= ur post
>regarding RPT latency. I've been touring as a hired musician for period= s
>and one thing you discover under such conditions is how quickly you
>actually adapt to a different "latency" situation. Here I'm t= alking
>about the acoustics of small vs huge stages and different positioning o= f
>live  monitoring systems. After much live playing I really did not= like
>to play with headphones in the studio because there was "no latenc= y" -
>i.e. me being used to play three meters away from my guitar amp and fiv= e
>meters away from the drummer.

Well, as a working musician a)I prefer to play as soft as the music and the= environment allows (the less monitoring the better) and b) I try to stand a= s close to my fellow musicians as possible. It feels better and keeps the mu= sic tight. And you are right, with growing experience you can adjust your pl= aying better. I used to be afraid of going into the old studio of the Berlin= radio station because it was a converted chamber music hall with rather wet= acoustics for time playing, but meanwhile I've got used to it.

Best, Andreas Willers --MS_Mac_OE_3141910470_223826_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 10:59:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OEvRU02189; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:57:25 -0700 Subject: Re: latency issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002901c351c3$7088ec40$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Message-Id: <234087A3-BDE7-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny, I saw Trey Gunn at Cafe Du Nord here in SF a while back and his drummer/percussionist used a Repeater on a lot of the songs to create tabla beats that he could then play over. I was probably about twenty feet away. I'm not sure but I think there might have been a Repeater in Trey's rack as well. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 11:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OFIum04155; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:18:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c351f6$e20b9380$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <1c8.cf862e2.2c4ec643@aol.com> <009b01c3510b$a8081d20$0100a8c0@black> <3F1EEB53.BB5542FD@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Claude Voit's CD Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:18:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks André till now I've handled all Internet order this easy way send me 20 $ in a well concealed letter with your postal address and I'll send you my cd direct to your home or If you want to use Paypal and your credit card send 20$ to c.voit@vtx.ch and dont forget to enter your postal adress my adress is Claude Voit Grand rue 4 CH 1260 Nyon Switzerland Hava nice fresh summer day here its like in africa Claude > Hello Claude, > > Is there any chance people could get a copy of your first CD "See What"? > Is it for sale anywhere? I've heard nothing but good thing about it, > and the few minutes Matthias played for me last year sounded great, so > I'd certainly like to pick up a copy if you'd like to sell it to me... > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 11:24:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OFMHH04584; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.168.105] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <234087A3-BDE7-11D7-B995-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: latency issues Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:22:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C351BC.AB4E6910" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:22:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 15:22:10.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A448DC0:01C351F7] Resent-Message-ID: <-0f0UB.A.gHB.pm_H_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C351BC.AB4E6910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darn, I was there too... I remember the drummer only playing a canned = loop though., didn't detect any live looping going on that I could tell. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Sottilaro=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:57 AM Subject: Re: latency issues Funny, I saw Trey Gunn at Cafe Du Nord here in SF a while back and his = drummer/percussionist used a Repeater on a lot of the songs to create=20 tabla beats that he could then play over. I was probably about twenty = feet away. I'm not sure but I think there might have been a Repeater=20 in Trey's rack as well. Mark Sottilaro ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C351BC.AB4E6910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Darn, I was there too... I remember the drummer only playing a = canned loop=20 though., didn't detect any live looping going on that I could = tell.
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Sottilaro
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 = 7:57=20 AM
Subject: Re: latency = issues

Funny, I saw Trey Gunn at Cafe Du Nord here in SF a = while back=20 and his
drummer/percussionist used a Repeater on a lot of the = songs to=20 create
tabla beats that he could then play over.  I was = probably=20 about twenty
feet away.  I'm not sure but I think there might = have=20 been a Repeater
in Trey's rack as well.

Mark=20 Sottilaro

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C351BC.AB4E6910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 11:41:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OFaPK00753; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:36:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:36:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c351f9$3109d3a0$9f00a8c0@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030723140533.02ccbe78@pop.chello.se> Subject: Question about the Boomerang Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:35:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I'm new on this list and I've been lurking for a few weeks. I was wondering if any of you have experience with the Boomerang looper. It seems like a well made device which is easy to use in live situations, but before purchasing I wanted to run it by you all to see if it works as advertised. THanks, Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 13:01:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OGwPL09230; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:58:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:58:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030724013244.03fc4e68@loopers-delight.com> References: <75E6C294-BD43-11D7-8C7E-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030724013244.03fc4e68@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:58:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim wrote: >We won't condemn you because you have no sense of rhythm. whew, thanks. I was getting worried. -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 13:59:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OHvAm14962; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:57:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:57:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:57:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 17:57:03.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD577BC0:01C3520C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>In my understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a time >>interval during which there is uncertainty. > >no, that's wrong. what you are referring to is jitter, as Chris explained No, I was referring to latency (not jitter) as offset from delay. I didn't throw jitter into the discussion, I was making a distinction between latency and delay. Granted both jitter and latency are concepts involving timing uncertainty, however fundamentally different. Delay is far more simple, and the measurements under discussion were all about delay (not latency, not jitter). But, it's all just a matter of convention - if you have no use for the conventional distinction in terminology, by all means disregard it. Doing so however would not garner much credibility in an engineering context though. >If it doesn't bother you, by all means go forth and be happy. We won't >condemn you because you have no sense of rhythm. Now, how did THAT enter this discussion? Nic _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 14:15:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OICj616477; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:12:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: <024f01c3520f$31684550$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the crux of the felopial injectitude vis a vis heretofore undisclosed angelikanizers is juxtaposed by the verisimilitude of parisian dialectic... man, some people just don't listen. go check out kim's website and see if he has any engineering chops: http://www.kimflint.com >... > Doing so however would not garner much credibility in an > engineering context > though. > >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 14:23:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OILE217475; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@well.com@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:19:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:57 AM -0700 7/24/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >But, it's all just a matter of convention - if you have no use for the conventional distinction in terminology, by all means disregard it. Doing so however would not garner much credibility in an engineering context though. Maybe in YOUR engineering context, not in all disciplines. I don't think that these terms are a well defined as you seem to think. We can probably all Google citations that back our personal definitions. For example, see: http://www.linktionary.com/d/delay.html In fact, this one from Alcatel seems to support both our definitions: http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:FKEfnNbwHrEJ:www.ind.alcatel.com/library/ip_comm/index.cfm%3Fcnt%3Dtech_consid2+latency+delay+jitter&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 >>If it doesn't bother you, by all means go forth and be happy. We won't condemn you because you have no sense of rhythm. > >Now, how did THAT enter this discussion? If I had to guess, I would guess that it's humor. Perhaps a tad too dry for the email medium, but humor nonetheless. Chris -- | In theory, there is no difference between http://www.xfade.com/ | theory and practice. In practice, there is. cbm@well.com | - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 14:23:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OIK4p17230; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:20:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:20:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:19:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c35210$2fb4d380$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <008101c351f9$3109d3a0$9f00a8c0@ws1> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3YH7UD.A.DNE.UNCI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian, Just listen to the last two John Scofield releases. While the sound quality isn't pristine, I think it is a functional unit. Better still, it is currently in production!! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Brian Carabee [mailto:compguy@bestweb.net] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Question about the Boomerang Hi guys, I'm new on this list and I've been lurking for a few weeks. I was wondering if any of you have experience with the Boomerang looper. It seems like a well made device which is easy to use in live situations, but before purchasing I wanted to run it by you all to see if it works as advertised. THanks, Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 14:26:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OINZs17905; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:23:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:23:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 18:23:27.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD18BDA0:01C35210] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know Kim has engineering chops, and I was surprised at his response, which was offensive to mine. I don't expect anyone to chime in on my behalf, nor do I have an engineering-oriented website vouching for my honor. I expected a discussion of reason, instead got one of overriding opinion. This occurs all too frequently and is extremely frustrating, as I'm sure Kim might agree. Kim, my apologies - that last comment was out of line, uttered in frustration. My problem. Best, Nic >From: "Jim Palmer" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) >Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:12:48 -0500 > >the crux of the felopial injectitude vis a vis heretofore >undisclosed angelikanizers is juxtaposed by the verisimilitude >of parisian dialectic... > >man, some people just don't listen. >go check out kim's website and see if he has any engineering chops: >http://www.kimflint.com > > >... > > Doing so however would not garner much credibility in an > > engineering context > > though. > > > >... > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 14:41:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OIdXJ19595; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:39:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:39:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030724183927.24848.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: erika li Subject: Repeater CFC: where to find them To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-47921948-1059071967=:24804" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-47921948-1059071967=:24804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am trying to find a NEW compact flash card that will format in my Repeater. I have tried 3 new Simple Tech 128MB cards, and the new ones will not work. I have spoken to tech support at Simple Tech, and they tell me that the "controller chip" on the cards continually change, so it is likely the new cards cannot be read by the older Repeater. Any idea where I can find a card that will work? Please give details on the exact type of card, specs if you have them, etc. so I get the correct one. thanks so much! erika --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-47921948-1059071967=:24804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I am trying to find a NEW compact flash card that will format in my Repeater.  I have tried 3 new Simple Tech 128MB cards, and the new ones will not work.   I have spoken to tech support at Simple Tech, and they tell me that the "controller chip" on the cards continually change, so it is likely the new cards cannot be read by the older Repeater.
 
Any idea where I can find a card that will work?  Please give details on the exact type of card, specs if you have them, etc. so I get the correct one. 
 
thanks so much!
erika

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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-47921948-1059071967=:24804-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 14:46:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OIho120237; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:43:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:43:43 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c35213$823a2210$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nic, Just remember, engineers are idiots! LOL But seriously, engineers often don't take all the needs of the end user into consideration when they design a product. When it comes to the service technician, forget about any serious consideration at all! It is my sincere belief that every engineer should be required to repair a few pieces of gear every so often so they can remember what it's like! As far as operation goes, every three months, they should have to slam a bottle of and attempt to operate a complex piece of gear for the first time. I say all of this from experience and lessons I've learned. The above comments are not intended to hurt any feelings and are not directed to any person in particular. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:nic_roozeboom@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) I know Kim has engineering chops, and I was surprised at his response, which was offensive to mine. I don't expect anyone to chime in on my behalf, nor do I have an engineering-oriented website vouching for my honor. I expected a discussion of reason, instead got one of overriding opinion. This occurs all too frequently and is extremely frustrating, as I'm sure Kim might agree. Kim, my apologies - that last comment was out of line, uttered in frustration. My problem. Best, Nic >From: "Jim Palmer" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) >Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:12:48 -0500 > >the crux of the felopial injectitude vis a vis heretofore >undisclosed angelikanizers is juxtaposed by the verisimilitude >of parisian dialectic... > >man, some people just don't listen. >go check out kim's website and see if he has any engineering chops: >http://www.kimflint.com > > >... > > Doing so however would not garner much credibility in an > > engineering context > > though. > > > >... > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 15:11:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OJ7fD22470; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:07:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:07:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:07:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 19:07:35.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[D737EAB0:01C35216] Resent-Message-ID: <9scGD.A.9eF.95CI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Nic, > >Just remember, engineers are idiots! LOL Being an engineer myself, I know this, all too well. LOL! Thanks for the perspective;-) Nic _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 15:41:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OJdbF25951; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:39:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:39:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <99.3affa205.2c518ff5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:39:33 EDT Subject: Re: What happened to the Headrush? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.3affa205.2c518ff5_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: <3E3YhD.A.ZVG.4XDI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_99.3affa205.2c518ff5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone find out if the Headrush is still being manufactured and sold? (and who's selling it). Best, Tim In a message dated 6/27/03 12:08:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Aptrev@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 6/27/03 10:01:42 AM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > > < and I > don't see the Headrush listed anywhere. >> > > --part1_99.3affa205.2c518ff5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did anyone find out if the Headrush is still being man= ufactured and sold? (and who's selling it).

Best,

Tim



In a message dated 6/27/03 12:08:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Aptrev@aol.com= writes:

In a message dated 6/27/03 10:0= 1:42 AM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:

<<I was just looking around at a few of the online catalogs (MF, AMS,=20= etc)
and I
don't see the Headrush listed anywhere.  >>



 --part1_99.3affa205.2c518ff5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 15:44:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OJgiW26790; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:42:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:42:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030724111848.043b6008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:44:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_CUztC.A.diG.0aDI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:57 AM 7/24/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >>>In my understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a time >>>interval during which there is uncertainty. >> >>no, that's wrong. what you are referring to is jitter, as Chris explained > >No, I was referring to latency (not jitter) as offset from delay. I didn't >throw jitter into the discussion, I was making a distinction between >latency and delay. Granted both jitter and latency are concepts involving >timing uncertainty, however fundamentally different. Delay is far more >simple, and the measurements under discussion were all about delay (not >latency, not jitter). But, it's all just a matter of convention - if you >have no use for the conventional distinction in terminology, by all means >disregard it. Doing so however would not garner much credibility in an >engineering context though. Sorry if I got you all bent out of shape there somehow - wasn't intended. The engineering definition of latency I've always heard is as a synonym for delay. Do a google search for "latency definition" and you will see it defined that way many times. "The length of time it takes to respond to an event". That's also how I've always heard the word used by my fellow engineers. Where is it defined otherwise? Sometimes I hear it qualified with some adjective like "unpredictable latency" or "maximum latency", which is really the same as saying "unpredictable delay" or "maximum delay". The adjective implies the uncertainty, not the noun. Jitter is defined as the uncertainty of when an event occurs around the time when it is expected to occur. It is often expressed as an absolute number, although more correctly it should be expressed as probability. I'm not sure what the point of this is. Mark is caught in a time warp and seeing apes and we're worried about shades of meaning in the word "latency". kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 15:45:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OJhL026996; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:43:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:43:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030724194314.25284.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:43:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001401c35210$2fb4d380$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Will Brake wrote: > Just listen to the last two John Scofield releases. Scofield's loops aren't always the 'Rang; while he *is* certainly a Boomeranger, he also uses an RC-20 and a DL-4, as may be seen on his pedalboards at -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 15:52:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OJoOv28156; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030724124428.024b2b30@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:51:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) In-Reply-To: <002601c35213$823a2210$7f613d44@soulfruit> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:43 AM 7/24/2003, Will Brake wrote: >But seriously, engineers often don't take all the needs of the end user >into consideration when they design a product. When it comes to the >service technician, forget about any serious consideration at all! > >It is my sincere belief that every engineer should be required to repair >a few pieces of gear every so often so they can remember what it's like! good advice really. They should also have to spend a couple of months on the customer support line for their own product, listening to the problems people have. Spend some time buying the components for it. Work on the manufacturing floor trying to assemble it. Go on field service calls to see all the crazy environments where their product is used. Work at a trade show answering questions about it. Stay involved with it for a few years to see all the ways it fails. >As far as operation goes, every three months, they should have to slam a >bottle of and attempt to operate a >complex piece of gear for the first time. Hah! how do you think we design these things? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 15:52:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OJoXk28197; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:50:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:50:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Now OT: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:51:39 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c3521c$ffed2780$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030724111848.043b6008@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm not sure what the point of this is. > Mark is caught in a time warp and seeing > apes and we're worried about shades of > meaning in the word "latency". We're all latent apes caught in a time-warp? (Or are we latent time-warps caught in an ape? I forget. I should have marked it.) Caffeinatingly yours, Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 15:53:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OJons28400; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:50:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030724195043.19894.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: What happened to the Headrush? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <99.3affa205.2c518ff5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Fsksync@aol.com wrote: > Did anyone find out if the Headrush is still being > manufactured and sold? > (and who's selling it). It's still on their site as a current product, fwiw... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 15:53:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OJoZs28230; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: What happened to the Headrush? Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:50:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c3521c$d54310d0$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C351E2.28E438D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <99.3affa205.2c518ff5@aol.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C351E2.28E438D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I may be selling or trading mine. -----Original Message----- From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What happened to the Headrush? Did anyone find out if the Headrush is still being manufactured and sold? (and who's selling it). Best, Tim In a message dated 6/27/03 12:08:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Aptrev@aol.com writes: In a message dated 6/27/03 10:01:42 AM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: <> ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C351E2.28E438D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I may be selling = or trading mine.

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, = 2003 12:40 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: What = happened to the Headrush?

 

Did anyone find out if the = Headrush is still being manufactured and sold? (and who's selling it).

Best,

Tim



In a message dated 6/27/03 12:08:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = Aptrev@aol.com writes:


In a message dated 6/27/03 10:01:42 AM, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:

<<I was just looking around at a few of the online catalogs (MF, = AMS, etc)
and I
don't see the Headrush listed anywhere.  >>

 

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C351E2.28E438D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 15:57:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OJspl29534; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:54:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:54:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:54:57 -0500 Message-ID: <027501c3521d$75ae9210$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030724111848.043b6008@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Sorry if I got you all bent out of shape there somehow - > wasn't intended. that was my fault. appy polly loggies, my droogs... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 16:13:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OKBAC31523; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:11:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:11:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:11:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 20:11:03.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[B51916D0:01C3521F] Resent-Message-ID: <1zvGaD.A.XsH.e1DI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sorry if I got you all bent out of shape there somehow - wasn't intended. I'm THAT flexible;-). Sorry, tantrum mode off. The engineering definition of latency I've always heard is >as a synonym for delay. Do a google search for "latency definition" and you >will see it defined that way many times. "The length of time it takes to >respond to an event". That's also how I've always heard the word used by my >fellow engineers. Where is it defined otherwise? Sometimes I hear it >qualified with some adjective like "unpredictable latency" or "maximum >latency", which is really the same as saying "unpredictable delay" or >"maximum delay". The adjective implies the uncertainty, not the noun. To be fair, I've not seen a better definition of latency than e.g. posted earlier (the Alcatel link), although it does acknowledge that latency may be comprised of several components, including pure propagation delay, scheduling uncertainty, and jitter. It's just that in my mind, there's a clear conceptual difference between something that cannot help but propagate to the output (e.g. a signal through the taps of a digital filter), and an event that is waiting (latent) to be picked up before becoming manifest as the desired event at the output. > >Jitter is defined as the uncertainty of when an event occurs around the >time when it is expected to occur. It is often expressed as an absolute >number, although more correctly it should be expressed as probability. I "concur". > >I'm not sure what the point of this is. Mark is caught in a time warp and >seeing apes You appear to pose the question, then give the answer... Nic _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 16:13:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OKBUA31576; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:11:22 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c3521f$c1059c20$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030724194314.25284.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I didn't mean to 'imply' it was just the rang... Imply - express or state indirectly [syn: connote] LOL Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang --- Will Brake wrote: > Just listen to the last two John Scofield releases. Scofield's loops aren't always the 'Rang; while he *is* certainly a Boomeranger, he also uses an RC-20 and a DL-4, as may be seen on his pedalboards at -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 16:15:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OKCir31864; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:12:37 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c3521f$ed6d6860$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20030724124428.024b2b30@loopers-delight.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Serious laughing here.... Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics >As far as operation goes, every three months, they should have to slam a >bottle of and attempt to operate a >complex piece of gear for the first time. Hah! how do you think we design these things? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 16:16:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OKEeu32173; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:14:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:14:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c35220$32834280$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <027501c3521d$75ae9210$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Droogs, been a long time since I heard that one! Been watching old vids lately? Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics FYI - I first encountered that term in A Clockwork Orange-- -----Original Message----- From: Jim Palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) > Sorry if I got you all bent out of shape there somehow - > wasn't intended. that was my fault. appy polly loggies, my droogs... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 16:38:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OKX9u02194; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:33:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:33:21 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Repeater CFC: where to find them In-reply-to: <20030724183927.24848.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3F204291.9080708@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 References: <20030724183927.24848.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a couple of messages from a few months back that may help: >From stevek@msidata.com Just picked up 2 256MB simpletech CFC cards from www.newegg.com and they worked fine for stereo forward and reverse recording. I also got one of those and it works fine. >From fred.arnell@ntlworld.com www.expansys.com have compact flash cards with hitachi controllers. I have emailed regarding the faster variety of CFC, and they haven't yet got back to me. I will probably try one of their cards anyway as they are a cheaper alternative to Simpletech. I will keep you posted when testing is complete. erika li wrote: > I am trying to find a NEW compact flash card that will format in my > Repeater. I have tried 3 new Simple Tech 128MB cards, and the new > ones will not work. I have spoken to tech support at Simple Tech, > and they tell me that the "controller chip" on the cards continually > change, so it is likely the new cards cannot be read by the older > Repeater. > > Any idea where I can find a card that will work? Please give details > on the exact type of card, specs if you have them, etc. so I get the > correct one. > > thanks so much! > erika From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 17:20:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OLGTQ06993; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:16:21 -0700 Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <12E2CB32-BE1C-11D7-92E4-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >> If it doesn't bother you, by all means go forth and be happy. We >> won't condemn you because you have no sense of rhythm. > > Now, how did THAT enter this discussion? > Just Kim vying for pole position in the crankiest LD member contest. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 17:36:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OLYuD08909; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.222.49.123] X-Originating-Email: [signsys7@hotmail.com] From: "SIGN SYST3M Video" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Providence, RI : FRI, JULY 25:  -- BASSIS @ AS220 -- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:34:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 21:34:50.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[694ED030:01C3522B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FRIDAY, JULY 25:  Drum 'n Bass BASSIS @ AS220 ============================================ BASSIS at AS220 An evening of audiovisual stimulation with DJs spinning the best in Drum-n-Bass, 2-Step, Hip-Hop, Breaks 'n Beats, alongside VJs projecting Immersivideo on three walls.  Each monthly event begins with an installment of the Kat-Fu Educational Series - Movie screenings, lectures and discussions revolving around the turntable revolution, the impact of modern electronics, and the culture of contemporary music.  BASSIS happens the last Friday of every month at AS220, 115 Empire Street, Providence, Rhode Island.  $5, all ages, 8pm, early drink specials. FRIDAY, JULY 25:  Drum 'n Bass BASSIS @ AS220 ============================================ 8 PM, Free ==>  KAT-FU Educational Series <=== Free Movie: "Metalheadz" "An intimate account of the life and times of Goldie's drum n' bass record label, METALHEADZ examines why this particular venture has come to represent such a diverse musical scene and why its artists enjoy such a great amount of freedom. Featured artists include Grooverider, Randall, Dillinja, Lemon D, Adam F, J Majik, Ed Rush, Optical, Source Direct, Matrix, Marly Marl, Ink, Digital, Bailey, and MC Justiyc. DJ Magazine claims this look at the label possesses, "...intelligence worthy of an Oxford Honors Degree." FRIDAY, JULY 25:  Drum 'n Bass BASSIS @ AS220 ============================================ 9 PM, $5 ==>  BASSIS  <== Bass Beats Breaks and BootyShakin' 9:00 Dj Giedrius with MC's Lokey + Exile (2step, d'n'b) 9:45 DJ Full Frequency (d'n'b, hip-hop) 10:30 Temple aka Algorythm (live PA) 11:15 DJ  Vipat vs DJ Confucion (d'n'b, breaks) Video Projections provided by Sign System Video VJ Ogre B. and VJ D'Compressor (Immersivideo) and, as always, plenty of surprises ( tasty ) ============================================ BASSIS @ AS220 An evening of audiovisual stimulation with DJs spinning the best in Drum-n-Bass, 2-Step, Hip-Hop, Breaks 'n Beats, alongside VJs projecting Immersivideo on three walls.  Each monthly event begins with an installment of the Kat-Fu Educational Series - Movie screenings, lectures and discussions revolving around the turntable revolution, the impact of modern electronics, and the culture of contemporary music.  BASSIS happens the last Friday of every month at AS220, 115 Empire Street, Providence, Rhode Island.  $5, all ages, 8pm, early drink specials. ============================================ Peace, Kat-Fu (as always, if you wish to be removed from our mailing list, and you're not receiving this from a listserv - e.g. yahoogroups-, please reply with REMOVE MY STINKIN' EMAIL ADDRESS FROM YOUR DAMNED UNSOLICITED COMPILATION in the header. Thank you.) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 17:47:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OLjAB10068; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:45:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:45:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <029501c3522c$d8e809b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <12E2CB32-BE1C-11D7-92E4-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim should be disqualified for ignoring the "edp list" line... > > Just Kim vying for pole position in the crankiest LD member contest. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 17:49:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OLias10029; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:44:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:44:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:43:43 -0500 Message-ID: <029401c3522c$c2121730$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <003401c35220$32834280$7f613d44@soulfruit> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Droogs, been a long time since I heard that one! Been > watching old vids lately? who you calling old? whay ayyy auta... > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > FYI - I first encountered that term in A Clockwork Orange-- > the book, not that televisual contraption From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 18:45:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6OMeTK15546; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <12E2CB32-BE1C-11D7-92E4-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:40:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2003 22:40:22.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[914F3490:01C35234] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, I'm just heading of to set up for tonight. See you there. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 19:36:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ONWtL20418; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:32:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:32:48 -0700 Subject: Ambient music tonight at the Parkway in Oakland CA. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22B6F1BE-BE2F-11D7-92E4-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <6nEjrB.A.2-E.nyGI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is he heading for you might ask? Not a fun night with me, but this: http://www.dub-beautiful.org/main.html If you're in the SF bay area and haven't checked out the Parkway theater in Oakland, you're missing out. A movie theater that serves food and beer! What more could one want? Couches? Yup, if you get there early you can get one! Weee! Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 03:40 PM, sserendipity wrote: > > Hey Mark, > > I'm just heading of to set up for tonight. See you there. > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with > some > Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, > and I > could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." > ------------ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 20:36:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6P0YjU25864; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a6.1801c2ed.2c51d521@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:34:41 EDT Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a6.1801c2ed.2c51d521_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a6.1801c2ed.2c51d521_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/24/03 11:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, compguy@bestweb.net writes: > but before > purchasing I wanted to run it by you all to see if it works as advertised. > it does!.....a great simple looping tool.....michael --part1_1a6.1801c2ed.2c51d521_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/24/0= 3 11:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, compguy@bestweb.net writes:


but before
purchasing I wanted to run it by you all to see if it works as advertised.


it does!.....a great simple looping tool.....michael --part1_1a6.1801c2ed.2c51d521_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 24 20:42:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6P0cQR26175; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:38:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:38:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1cc.e47023a.2c51d5f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:38:16 EDT Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1cc.e47023a.2c51d5f8_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <75eLaC.A.2YG.CwHI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1cc.e47023a.2c51d5f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/24/03 2:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes: > While the sound > quality isn't pristine i believe this is an incorrect bad rap that the rang gets.....i have no noise issues with mine if i set it up correctly (gain).....michael --part1_1cc.e47023a.2c51d5f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/24/0= 3 2:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes:


While the sound
quality isn't pristine


i believe this is an incorrect bad rap that the rang gets.....i have no nois= e issues with mine if i set it up correctly (gain).....michael --part1_1cc.e47023a.2c51d5f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 02:10:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6P67xF26626; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:07:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:07:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F20CC27.43113706@erols.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:20:23 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Jeff Beck, David Torn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, In the new issue of Guitar Player (Jeff Beck on cover), There is a great article on the new Jeff Beck album. There is a sidebar article with David Torn, who remixes 3 tracks on the Jeff Beck album. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 02:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6P6Jas27834; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:19:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c35275$29909ba0$9cb4958d@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3F20CC27.43113706@erols.com> Subject: Re: New Jeff Beck -- awesome!~~~~ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:22:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [141.149.180.156] at Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:19:30 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <5_bH9D.A.wyG.4vMI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A new Jeff Beck album!!!!!!! Awesome!!!!!!! "You Had It Coming" from a year or two back was a real zinger of a disc. If you like and play contemporary rock guitar, "You Had It Coming" is highly recommended. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mazzarella" To: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:20 AM Subject: Jeff Beck, David Torn > Hey, > In the new issue of Guitar Player (Jeff Beck on cover), There is a > great article on the new Jeff Beck album. There is a sidebar article > with David Torn, who remixes 3 tracks on the Jeff Beck album. > > John > www.johnmazzarella.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 02:58:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6P6uO131314; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:56:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:56:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F20D780.246703E4@erols.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:08:48 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT:Rewire, Pro Tools, Reason Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, I'm looking to upgrade my studio in the next year. I currently use Pro Tools LE. I've heard nothing but good things about Propellerheads Reason. I'd like to use it in conjunction with Pro Tools LE. I know that you can do this with the Rewire application. Is this available for Pro Tools LE yet? I've done some research, but it's not quite clear. Anywbody using Reason with Pro Tools LE? Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 03:26:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6P7NGv01518; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3F20D780.246703E4@erols.com> References: <3F20D780.246703E4@erols.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:23:12 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: OT:Rewire, Pro Tools, Reason Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Please try ReFuse. http://www.refusesoftware.com/ but it does not work on OSX.. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com At 3:08 -0400 03.7.25, John Mazzarella wrote: >Howdy, > I'm looking to upgrade my studio in the next year. I currently use >Pro Tools LE. I've heard nothing but good things about Propellerheads >Reason. I'd like to use it in conjunction with Pro Tools LE. I know >that you can do this with the Rewire application. Is this available for >Pro Tools LE yet? I've done some research, but it's not quite clear. >Anywbody using Reason with Pro Tools LE? > >Thanks, >John >www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 05:14:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6P9CDW08454; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:12:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:12:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:12:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c3528c$d219c870$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C3526B.4B082870" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <1cc.e47023a.2c51d5f8@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C3526B.4B082870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, while gain structure is paramount in any setup, the rang is indeed a noisy device in the first big run. Elliot Sharp owns a pair, if I'm not mistaken, of the original, smaller offering that was half the size of the current box. I've been told they were nice and quiet. Not the case for the first production run. I believe they have made improvements to the device recently with an OS upgrade and such. If you really want to know more, call the company. Mike Nelson is a very nice person and, if you can catch him, you can talk about most things music related! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang In a message dated 7/24/03 2:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes: While the sound quality isn't pristine i believe this is an incorrect bad rap that the rang gets.....i have no noise issues with mine if i set it up correctly (gain).....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C3526B.4B082870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hmm, while gain structure is = paramount in any setup, the rang is indeed a noisy device = in the first big run. Elliot Sharp owns a pair, if I’m not mistaken, of = the original, smaller offering that was half the size of the current box. = I’ve been told they were nice and quiet. Not the case for the first = production run. I believe they have made improvements to the device recently with an OS = upgrade and such. If you really want to know more, call the company. Mike Nelson = is a very nice person and, if you can catch him, you can talk about most = things music related!

 

Respect=

 <= /span>

Will = Brake

Soul Fruit = Electronics

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, = 2003 8:38 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Question = about the Boomerang

 

In a message dated 7/24/03 = 2:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes:



While the sound
quality isn't pristine



i believe this is an incorrect bad rap that the rang gets.....i have no = noise issues with mine if i set it up correctly = (gain).....michael

------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C3526B.4B082870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 09:55:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PDrRP29820; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:53:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:53:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <112.268386b1.2c52904b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:53:15 EDT Subject: Re: Jeff Beck, David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6PDrQF29798 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, In a message dated 7/24/03 11:08:25 PM, jmazzarella@erols.com writes: >In the new issue of Guitar Player (Jeff Beck on cover), There is a >great article on the new Jeff Beck album. There is a sidebar article >with David Torn, who remixes 3 tracks on the Jeff Beck album. A quicktime audio clip is available at: http://jeffbeckmusic.com/quicktime/ Sounds pretty cool to me. On it DT's mixes almost make it sound as if JB had been taking EDP lessons from our own estimable Mr. Andre LaFosse himself. This is very exciting development. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 10:26:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PEOkt32560; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:24:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:24:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <93.311aa66d.2c5297a5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:24:37 EDT Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_93.311aa66d.2c5297a5_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_93.311aa66d.2c5297a5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/25/03 5:12:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes: > of the original, smaller offering that was half the size of the current > box. will.....i dont think this is correct.....the orig rang and the rang + look totally the same except for the "+" stenciled on the body.....the + has a higher "sampling" rate perhaps this is what seems to make it sound better.....my advice is always play the thing yourself and then decide.....all of our needs are pretty different.....but you are absolutly correct that mike nelson is a really nice fellow, has anyone heard from him as of late?.....michael --part1_93.311aa66d.2c5297a5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/25/0= 3 5:12:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes:


of the original, smaller offering that was half the size of= the current box.

will.....i dont think this is correct.....the orig rang and the rang + look=20= totally the same except for the "+" stenciled on the body.....the + has a hi= gher "sampling" rate perhaps this is what seems to make it sound better.....= my advice is always play the thing yourself and then decide.....all of our n= eeds are pretty different.....but you are absolutly correct that mike nelson= is a really nice fellow, has anyone heard from him as of late?.....michael<= /FONT> --part1_93.311aa66d.2c5297a5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 11:09:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PF6CK04234; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:06:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:06:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <176.1da5f703.2c52a15a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:06:02 EDT Subject: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_176.1da5f703.2c52a15a_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_176.1da5f703.2c52a15a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On it DT's mixes almost make it sound as if JB had been taking EDP lessons from our own estimable Mr. Andre LaFosse himself. This is very exciting development.....thus spake ted ted.....this scares me.....if i gave a monkey a guitar and dowloaded the sounds into a computer then i could also make him sound like (you fill in the blanks).....what andre does is "live".....i liked much about david's OHA but i came away thinkin "where's the beef" i haven't heard any other music by david but when i listened to OHA i came away wanting to hear some straight ahead "guitar playing" rather than some computer machinations.....when asked "DO you feel technology has taken people closer to, or further away from, the music?" jeff beck answered "i think it takes them into murky areas. im feeling the pinch myself, because there's so many things you can do to correct and drastically alter the course of what you thought you had. sometimes the machines tell you better, and sometimes they lead you up and down. and that enables people who haven't any talent to make great sounding records. there's a plethora of bands that sound fantastic, and they are no really doing it.".....michael (a luddite looper (aliterative loop content) who is right now slipping into his asbestos undies) --part1_176.1da5f703.2c52a15a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On it DT's mixes almost m= ake it sound as if JB
had been taking EDP lessons from our own estimable Mr. Andre LaFosse
himself. This is very exciting development.....thus spake ted

ted.....this scares me.....if i gave a monkey a guitar and dowloaded the sou= nds into a computer then i could also make him sound like (you fill in the b= lanks).....what andre does is "live".....i liked much about david's OHA but=20= i came away thinkin "where's the beef" i haven't heard any other music by da= vid but when i listened to OHA i came away wanting to hear some straight ahe= ad "guitar playing" rather than some computer machinations.....when asked "D= O you feel technology has taken people closer to, or further away from, the=20= music?" jeff beck answered "i think it takes them into murky areas. im feeli= ng the pinch myself, because there's so many things you can do to correct an= d drastically alter the course of what you thought you had. sometimes the ma= chines tell you better, and sometimes they lead you up and down. and that= enables people who haven't any talent to make great sounding records. there= 's a plethora of bands that sound fantastic, and they are no really doing it= .".....michael (a luddite looper (aliterative loop content) who is right= now slipping into his asbestos undies) --part1_176.1da5f703.2c52a15a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 11:22:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PFM7M06077; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:22:19 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 07/25/2003 11:22:20 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> ...so, what exactly enables the talentless to make great-sounding records? Skill? A "talent" for sounding great, or making great sounds? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 12:10:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PG7n510598; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:07:41 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c352c6$e0871fe0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C352A5.59757FE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <93.311aa66d.2c5297a5@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C352A5.59757FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The original, smaller box was not a big production run. Email Mr. Sharp is you want. One of my clients actually played with it. A higher sampling rate WILL improve the sound of a device due to increased resolution and decreased zippering. I spoke with Mike in April. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang In a message dated 7/25/03 5:12:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes: of the original, smaller offering that was half the size of the current box. will.....i dont think this is correct.....the orig rang and the rang + look totally the same except for the "+" stenciled on the body.....the + has a higher "sampling" rate perhaps this is what seems to make it sound better.....my advice is always play the thing yourself and then decide.....all of our needs are pretty different.....but you are absolutly correct that mike nelson is a really nice fellow, has anyone heard from him as of late?.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C352A5.59757FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The original, smaller box was not a = big production run. Email Mr. Sharp is you want. One of my clients actually = played with it.

 

A higher sampling rate WILL improve = the sound of a device due to increased resolution = and decreased zippering.

 

I spoke with Mike in = April.

 

Respect=

 <= /span>

Will = Brake

Soul Fruit = Electronics

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, = 2003 10:25 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Question = about the Boomerang

 

In a message dated 7/25/03 = 5:12:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes:



= of the original, smaller offering that was half the size of the current box. =



will.....i dont think this is correct.....the orig rang and the rang + = look totally the same except for the "+" stenciled on the = body.....the + has a higher "sampling" rate perhaps this is what seems to = make it sound better.....my advice is always play the thing yourself and then decide.....all of our needs are pretty different.....but you are = absolutly correct that mike nelson is a really nice fellow, has anyone heard from = him as of late?.....michael

------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C352A5.59757FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 12:18:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PGHkK11804; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:17:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <163.23b554ad.2c52b220@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:17:36 EDT Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_163.23b554ad.2c52b220_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <_S_v-C.A.T4C.qgVI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_163.23b554ad.2c52b220_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/25/03 12:08:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes: > smaller box was not a big production run will.....i stand corrected.....michael --part1_163.23b554ad.2c52b220_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/25/0= 3 12:08:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wbrake@comcast.net writes:


smaller box was not a big production run


will.....i stand corrected.....michael --part1_163.23b554ad.2c52b220_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 12:26:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PGNO212513; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:23:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:23:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:23:22 -0700 Subject: ambient show in Oakland review (was Re: OT:Rewire, Pro Tools, Reason) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4F119A64-BEBC-11D7-8CC3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lot's of looping and use of Reason in a live context at this show. Over all a bit of a disappointment. First, a bit about MNO and his Ambient Marimba and Reason. Potentially great. Interesting Marimba looped with a Line6 DL-4 that seemed to be interrupted by fiddling with Reason on a laptop. Overall the music he was playing was good, but I'd have rather seen him spend 80% of his time on Marimba and 20% on the laptop. Basically, if he was playing Marimba along to a CD and checking his email I would not have known the difference. (Jon suggested it might be better if there was video projected of what he was doing on the laptop, but I'm not sure. Makes me think hard about what I'm going to do with a laptop soon, but I'm going to be DJ'ing my own music so it's probably not as important.) Someone needs to get this guy an EDP or Repeater. I bet he could do amazing things with a synced looper. Don't even get me started about the visuals by Dr. Spook. Horrible. Crazy techno 'shrooms in space at an ambient show? Come on. Did not fit the music at all and so overused. Opening band: DF Tram. I tuned out the minute I walked in the door. Sorry, playing a Brian Eno album while someone plays diggeriedoo over it and you put some effects on it all is plagiarism. Call yourself a DJ if you're going to play other people's music. I *never* want to hear an Eno album at a live ambient show. Also, they used the much abused "You've just come from a long session of electroshock therapy..." sample. Saturday Night Live! Weee! Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 12:23 AM, Sunao Inami wrote: > Hi, > > Please try ReFuse. > http://www.refusesoftware.com/ > but it does not work on OSX.. > > Regards > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com > > > At 3:08 -0400 03.7.25, John Mazzarella wrote: >> Howdy, >> I'm looking to upgrade my studio in the next year. I currently >> use >> Pro Tools LE. I've heard nothing but good things about Propellerheads >> Reason. I'd like to use it in conjunction with Pro Tools LE. I know >> that you can do this with the Rewire application. Is this available >> for >> Pro Tools LE yet? I've done some research, but it's not quite clear. >> Anywbody using Reason with Pro Tools LE? >> >> Thanks, >> John >> www.johnmazzarella.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 12:32:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PGV0d13687; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:31:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:31:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:30:53 -0700 Subject: Re: beck/torn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <176.1da5f703.2c52a15a@aol.com> Message-Id: <5C3DEF72-BEBD-11D7-8CC3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem is you're looking for steak and Torn is serving Bibimbap with a side of Chap Jae. The beef is there, it's just in a weird sauce. I think it's plenty yummy. No flame, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. ;) Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 08:06 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > .....i liked much about david's OHA but i came away thinkin "where's > the beef" i haven't heard any other music by david but when i listened > to OHA i came away wanting to hear some straight ahead "guitar > playing" rather than some computer machinations.....when asked "DO you > feel technology has taken people closer to, or further away from, the > music?" jeff beck answered "i think it takes them into murky areas. im > feeling the pinch myself, because there's so many things you can do to > correct and drastically alter the course of what you thought you had. > sometimes the machines tell you better, and sometimes they lead you up > and down. and that enables people who haven't any talent to make great > sounding records. there's a plethora of bands that sound fantastic, > and they are no really doing it.".....michael (a luddite looper > (aliterative loop content) who is right now slipping into his asbestos > undies) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 12:47:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PGja615362; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:45:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:45:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c352cc$2a407820$59b079a5@sipapu> Reply-To: "James Lanpheer" From: "James Lanpheer" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:45:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C35299.DE97A560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b1baf93441b2c77671639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94034c7e61a16de4a71bae34b56006a2239350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C35299.DE97A560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C35299.DE97A560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C35299.DE97A560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 13:14:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PHCkJ18345; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:12:44 -0700 Subject: Re: beck/torn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5C3DEF72-BEBD-11D7-8CC3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <34D79F3C-BEC3-11D7-8CC3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, and I finally got onto the server and I thought the track is GREAT! Post production aside, it's just good music. I'll go out and get it for sure. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 09:30 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The problem is you're looking for steak and Torn is serving Bibimbap > with a side of Chap Jae. > > The beef is there, it's just in a weird sauce. I think it's plenty > yummy. No flame, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. > ;) > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 08:06 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> .....i liked much about david's OHA but i came away thinkin "where's >> the beef" i haven't heard any other music by david but when i >> listened to OHA i came away wanting to hear some straight ahead >> "guitar playing" rather than some computer machinations.....when >> asked "DO you feel technology has taken people closer to, or further >> away from, the music?" jeff beck answered "i think it takes them into >> murky areas. im feeling the pinch myself, because there's so many >> things you can do to correct and drastically alter the course of what >> you thought you had. sometimes the machines tell you better, and >> sometimes they lead you up and down. and that enables people who >> haven't any talent to make great sounding records. there's a plethora >> of bands that sound fantastic, and they are no really doing >> it.".....michael (a luddite looper (aliterative loop content) who is >> right now slipping into his asbestos undies) >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 13:15:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PHD8g18413; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:13:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:13:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16d.1fd760cc.2c52bf19@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16d.1fd760cc.2c52bf19_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <7-VpQB.A.kfE.jUWI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16d.1fd760cc.2c52bf19_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/25/03 12:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > No flame, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. mark.....and i'd die for your right to say it to!.....:).....michael --part1_16d.1fd760cc.2c52bf19_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/25/0= 3 12:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


No flame, you're entitled to yo= ur opinion, even if it's wrong.


mark.....and i'd die for your right to say it to!.....:).....michael<= /HTML> --part1_16d.1fd760cc.2c52bf19_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 15:24:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PJMvj00812; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:22:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:22:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030725192250.97651.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:22:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <176.1da5f703.2c52a15a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > .....if i gave a monkey a guitar and dowloaded the > sounds into a computer Awww, who told you? That's the theme of the next Chain Tape Project! :-) >.....what andre does is "live"..... Actually, live recordings I've heard of splattercell- era dt *are* live, but have so much, umm, "new techniques" (for lack of a better term; glitching, sudden timbral changes, etc.) that they sound like either 1) more than one player or 2) studio constructs. > i liked much about david's OHA but i > came away thinkin "where's the beef" I sorta thought so at first, too, especially since when OAH came out I was playing "what means 'solid', traveller?" and "tripping over god" in heavy rotation. OAH really grew on me, though, and some of the tunes towards the end have a lot of 'beef' ie. longer guitar and oud passages vice shorter manipulated sample 'cells'. >i haven't heard any other music by david Check out the two I mentioned above; you'll enjoy them greatly, Michael! -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 15:29:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PJRGi01537; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:27:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030725192710.98431.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5C3DEF72-BEBD-11D7-8CC3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The problem is you're looking for steak and Torn is > serving Bibimbap with a side of Chap Jae. > > The beef is there, it's just in a weird sauce. I > think it's plenty yummy. That's a great analogy! :-) LOL (I just threw that emoticon stuff in 'cause I know you like it...) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 15:34:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PJX3702528; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:33:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:33:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030725193301.61859.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <176.1da5f703.2c52a15a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-402367200-1059161581=:61820" Resent-Message-ID: <87s4yC.A.Xn.vXYI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-402367200-1059161581=:61820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You probably want to track down _Polytown_ or _Cloud About Mercury_ (my personal favorite). Plenty of straight guitar playing for you there. ;) Paolo Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: thinkin "where's the beef" i haven't heard any other music by david but when i listened to OHA i came away wanting to hear some straight ahead "guitar playing" rather than some --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-402367200-1059161581=:61820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
You probably want to track down _Polytown_ or _Cloud About Mercury_ (my personal favorite).  Plenty of straight guitar playing for you there. ;)
 
Paolo

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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-402367200-1059161581=:61820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 16:22:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PKM4g08431; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:22:02 -0700 Subject: Re: beck/torn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030725192710.98431.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I don't mind emoticons at all. Plenty useful when used correctly and in the right place.. like after something funny. Like screaming. Good if something bad or scary is happening, but if I started my day screaming and screamed all day, what could I do when something really bad or scary came along? I'd have nothing. Mark Sottilaro ;) On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 12:27 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> The problem is you're looking for steak and Torn is >> serving Bibimbap with a side of Chap Jae. >> >> The beef is there, it's just in a weird sauce. I >> think it's plenty yummy. > > That's a great analogy! :-) LOL > > (I just threw that emoticon stuff in 'cause I know you > like it...) > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 17:12:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PLA7e14832; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <17.3bdd4067.2c52f6a9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:10:01 EDT Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6PLA6F14808 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, In a message dated 7/25/03 8:06:35 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >ted.....this scares me.....if i gave a monkey a guitar and dowloaded the >sounds into a computer then i could also make him sound like (you fill >in the blanks).....what andre does is "live".....i liked much about david's >OHA but i came away thinkin "where's the beef" i haven't heard any >other music by david but when i listened to OHA i came away wanting >to hear some straight ahead "guitar playing" rather than some >computer machinations..... Well, far from being a monkey with a guitar (heheh) I happen to think Mr. JB is rather good at what he does. I guess I could be wrong though. And, as much as I am probably a little guilty of being irrationally gaga over almost anything DT does, I must confess to being very slightly underwhelmed upon my first listen to his OHA CD too. It took some "deep" listening for me to get used to it myself and now I really appreciate what it represents. It's really a shame that it is the only DT you've heard so far. There's mucho spicy, spiky beef (in weird sauce) available elsewhere. But, I am sure others will make you familiar with their favorite Torn byproducts. I find it hard to pick a favorite myself. I have a perverse attraction for rare oddities and obscurities. I'd probably list something no longer in print or worse, hopelessly irrelevant. What I was trying to convey (perhaps badly) was that, via DT's remixes of JB's tracks, I sensed the emergence of something **resembling** the good Mr. LaFosse's EDP mangling and "turntablist guitar" aesthetic into the wider field of a well known rock "superstar" instrumentalist. JB's playing is on the track in question still very evident and "beefy." And, the redoubtable DT's own stamp and sensibilities are eminently present as well. But, I was rather excited to observe (upon hearing it) how much the JB + DT combination actually sounded (to these ears) like what Andre has been driving at for the past few years. That's all. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 17:57:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6PLrMc19087; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:53:11 EDT Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce.3a767b9b.2c5300c7_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <0fZvfB.A.FqE.RbaI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ce.3a767b9b.2c5300c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/25/03 5:10:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, > let mikey eat it! he eats everything!.....now i got both dt and jb pissed at me, yikes!.....:).....n.p. HARVEY CRYSTAL AND THE MUHFUS "7 DEAD SQUIRRELS".....outstanding!.....i luv ya ted!.....in fact-ta-mento, just gave FLUX AETERNA a re-listen.....what fun!.....michael --part1_ce.3a767b9b.2c5300c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/25/0= 3 5:10:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


Mikey, Mikey, Mikey,


let mikey eat it! he eats everything!.....now i got both dt and jb pissed at= me, yikes!.....:).....n.p. HARVEY CRYSTAL AND THE MUHFUS "7 DEAD SQUIRRELS"= .....outstanding!.....i luv ya ted!.....in fact-ta-mento, just gave FLUX&nbs= p; AETERNA a re-listen.....what fun!.....michael --part1_ce.3a767b9b.2c5300c7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 25 23:19:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6Q3I5i17024; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:18:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:18:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <157.22124f9d.2c53484a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:58:18 EDT Subject: 6Moons.com CD review of Canciones del alma (Songs from the Soul) by WWJ To: WannaduLLC@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.22124f9d.2c53484a_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_157.22124f9d.2c53484a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Canciones del alma (Songs from the Soul) Wannadu=20 by Wayne Wesley Johnson Review by Srajan Ebaen 6Moons.com Arroyo Seco (Taos) New Mexico As the closest major town to Taos which I call home, Santa Fe has quite the=20 stable of local music talent. It's always proudly featured in dedicated=20 sections of the more enterprising of music retailers. Of course, homegrown d= oesn't=20 automatically equate to quality. Inherently suspicious of flag waving, I=A0d= on't=20 touch any of it unless a listening station supported sampling. That's how I=20 discovered Ladino singer Consuelo Luz and Flamenco maestro Chuscales. Reside= nt=20 clarinet wizard Eddie Daniels I of course loved long before I ever moved to=20= the=20 SouthWest.=20 Today's guitar album played a cut in the background while I perused the=20 magazine racks at Hastings. It's not a store I frequent for CDs since their=20 selection focus doesn't accommodate my acquired taste. Borders and The Ark t= end to=20 more be my kind of haunts. Alas, this rumba-flamenco flavored track with Chi= nese=20 pipa, charango and panflute caught my attention. A copy of HiFi News got=20 stuffed back into the rack while I=A0made tracks to the customer service cou= nter to=20 find out what was spinning. Turns out Mr. Johnson started guitar life as a Jazz-style flatpicker and led= =20 The Yellow Jackets and Sons & Lovers in the early 60s before touring with Le= s=20 Paul as drummer in 1979 and '80. He studied flamenco technique with Ruben an= d=20 Miguel Romero and also picked up -- pun intentional -- Nashville country-sty= le=20 thumb picking. He's an instrumental gearhad who collects guitars and=20 amplifiers and is also the creator of the Tap Guitar (a flamenco guitar with= 19 midi=20 triggers to add Latin percussion while playing) and the Fla-quinto, a=20 double-necked flamenco/requinto hybrid. For his first solo album under his own label, all this adds up to=20 sophisticated "Nuevo Flamenco Lite" that makes up in wealth of timbres, prod= uction values=20 and compositional detail what it lacks in depth when compared to present-day= =20 Spanish masters of the genre. Think of it as a major step-up from Ottmar=20 Liebert -- Armik-sans-overdubs moves to the four corners -- and you've naile= d both=20 the genre and level of presentation. There are shrum-shrum romps that cross=20 Mexican and Sinti Jazz idioms; a smooth Jazz number sporting both Koontz arc= htop=20 electric steel string and Hernandez Huipe cutaway models over pipa tremolos=20 before the latter segues into a strangely bluesy solo; an Ennio Morricone-st= yle=20 Spaghetti Western tune with a brief Kung Fu priest appearance; Bossa-inspire= d=20 hip-swaying rhythms; 11-string nylon fretless Godin Glissentar octave=20 doubling for ambiance; or a seamless transition from Spanish guitar fingerst= yle=20 suggesting a bubbling brook to Travis thumb-picking white-rapid waters befor= e the=20 "River Suite" returns again its calmer opening mood. On "Pharoah's Journey",= a=20 shifty rumba-flamenco rhythm is overlaid by Bop Jazz guitar and twangy pipa=20 riffs - George Benson meets The Three Mustaphas. There's also a redo of "Pipeline" with the lead on Heritage Bluesette and=20 Fender Telecaster while the closing "Melancolia" becomes a wistful meditatio= n on=20 September 11th, with Roland synth guitar strings as backdrop. "Rumba Orienta= l"=20 is actually a tune lifted from the Beijing Opera for which Wayne Wesley=20 contracted Gao Hong on Chinese pipa, a combo that worked out so well that it= =20 carried over into other numbers already mentioned. In short, Songs from the=20= Soul is=20 guitar-based happy music that spins off the non-vocal Gipsy Kings craze but=20 goes the extra mile to separate it from the numerous would-be clones cloggin= g=20 the airwaves. It's the kind of music I listen to while savoring a good sunse= t=20 meal on the patio. And a fella's gotta eat every day, ya know? Nothing wrong= =20 then with low-calorie aural fare to go with it. --part1_157.22124f9d.2c53484a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Canciones del alma (Songs= from the Soul) Wannadu
by Wayne Wesley Johnson

Review by Srajan Ebaen
6Moons.com
Arroyo Seco (Taos) New Mexico



As the clo= sest major town to Taos which I call home, Santa Fe has quite the stable of=20= local music talent. It's always proudly featured in dedicated sections of th= e more enterprising of music retailers. Of course, homegrown doesn't automat= ically equate to quality. Inherently suspicious of flag waving, I=A0don't to= uch any of it unless a listening station supported sampling. That's how I di= scovered Ladino singer Consuelo Luz and Flamenco maestro Chuscales. Resident= clarinet wizard Eddie Daniels I of course loved long before I ever moved to= the SouthWest.

Today's guitar album played a cut in the background while I perused the maga= zine racks at Hastings. It's not a store I frequent for CDs since their sele= ction focus doesn't accommodate my acquired taste. Borders and The Ark tend=20= to more be my kind of haunts. Alas, this rumba-flamenco flavored track with=20= Chinese pipa, charango and panflute caught my attention. A copy of HiFi News= got stuffed back into the rack while I=A0made tracks to the customer servic= e counter to find out what was spinning.


Turns out Mr. Johnson started guitar life as a Jazz-style flatpicker and led= The Yellow Jackets and Sons & Lovers in the early 60s bef= ore touring with Les Paul as drummer in 1979 and '80. He studied flamenco te= chnique with Ruben and Miguel Romero and also picked up -- pun intentional -= - Nashville country-style thumb picking. He's an instrumental gearhad who co= llects guitars and amplifiers and is also the creator of the Tap Guitar (a f= lamenco guitar with 19 midi triggers to add Latin percussion while playing)=20= and the Fla-quinto, a double-necked flamenco/requinto hybrid.


For his first solo album under his own label, all this adds up to sophistica= ted "Nuevo Flamenco Lite" that makes up in wealth of timbres, production val= ues and compositional detail what it lacks in depth when compared to present= -day Spanish masters of the genre. Think of it as a major step-up from Ottma= r Liebert -- Armik-sans-overdubs moves to the four corners -- and you've nai= led both the genre and level of presentation. There are shrum-shrum romps th= at cross Mexican and Sinti Jazz idioms; a smooth Jazz number sporting both K= oontz archtop electric steel string and Hernandez Huipe cutaway models over=20= pipa tremolos before the latter segues into a strangely bluesy solo; an Enni= o Morricone-style Spaghetti Western tune with a brief Kung Fu priest appeara= nce; Bossa-inspired hip-swaying rhythms; 11-string nylon fretless Godin Glis= sentar octave doubling for ambiance; or a seamless transition from Spanish g= uitar fingerstyle suggesting a bubbling brook to Travis thumb-picking white-= rapid waters before the "River Suite" returns again its calmer opening mood.= On "Pharoah's Journey", a shifty rumba-flamenco rhythm is overlaid by Bop J= azz guitar and twangy pipa riffs - George Benson meets The Three Mustaphas.<= BR>

There's also a redo of "Pipeline" with the lead on Heritage Bluesette and Fe= nder Telecaster while the closing "Melancolia" becomes a wistful meditation=20= on September 11th, with Roland synth guitar strings as backdrop. "Rumba Orie= ntal" is actually a tune lifted from the Beijing Opera for which Wayne Wesle= y contracted Gao Hong on Chinese pipa, a combo that worked out so well that=20= it carried over into other numbers already mentioned. In short, Songs fro= m the Soul is guitar-based happy music that spins off the non-vocal Gips= y Kings craze but goes the extra mile to separate it from the numerous would= -be clones clogging the airwaves. It's the kind of music I listen to while s= avoring a good sunset meal on the patio. And a fella's gotta eat every day,=20= ya know? Nothing wrong then with low-calorie aural fare to go with it.









--part1_157.22124f9d.2c53484a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 04:03:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6Q82ra09259; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 04:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 04:02:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c3534c$03330100$bd06883e@h1f5k1> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <5C3DEF72-BEBD-11D7-8CC3-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: poss gigs in California? Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:00:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <800lRC.A.lQC.tWjI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Still looking for gigs in to coincide with my October 12th, (or thereabouts) gig in California. If anyone fancies a bit of a jam in that area around that time I'd really like to play. You can check out some of my music at www.uk.digiserve.com/whiteoak/Mantra My stuff is played live thro a laptop. Cheers me old muckers, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 06:14:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QACol18476; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:12:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030726101243.84229.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > n.p. HARVEY CRYSTAL AND THE MUHFUS "7 DEAD > SQUIRRELS"..... Whoa, that's a weird coincidence; that song was stuck in my head at work all yesterday morning. Re: the new JB, can anyone confirm that it's actually out yet? The official web site continues to read "in stores July 22nd", yet none of the stores I've been to have it, and other sources are saying August 5th... I was looking for it in a Barnes & Noble last night, and ended up spending quite a while on the preview listening station thingy; I hadn't heard JB's album from LAST year, 'You Had It Coming'. It is incredible. Not a monkey with a computer... :-) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 06:20:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QAIkJ19018; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:18:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:18:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030726101840.12217.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030726101243.84229.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Re: the new JB, can anyone confirm that it's > actually out yet? The official web site continues to >read "in stores July 22nd", yet none of the stores >I've been to have it, and other sources are saying >August 5th... They've JUST updated the official site: it's August 5th... Kinda bites as it's 2 1/2 weeks into his tour which started last night. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 06:21:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QALPn19443; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:21:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030726102119.91563.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030726101243.84229.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4vMrrC.A.pvE.kYlI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Re: the new JB, can anyone confirm that it's > actually out yet? The official web site continues to >read "in stores July 22nd", yet none of the stores >I've been to have it, and other sources are saying >August 5th... They've JUST updated the official site: it's August 5th... Kinda bites as it's 2 1/2 weeks into his tour which started last night. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 08:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QCllP30567; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lars Oeschey" To: Subject: Syncing 2 PC's Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:47:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c35374$14eaa6a0$152ea8c0@lars> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Sender: oeschey@web.de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm new to the list, I don't know if I'm right here ;) What I want to do is a live performance with 2 PC's and perhaps a few keyboards. I did a few tests already, and found my biggest problem is the sync of the PC's. One Laptop is a Pentium M 1800, so a quite modern machine, while the other is a Pentium 400. That means that I can't run *every* software on the P400 (e.g. Cakewalk Sonar). I linked the machines with a network cable (100MBit) and run MidiOverLan on it, which currently just transports Sync Data. For example I tried to run Ableton Liv on the fast machine, and rebirth on the slower one. Ableton has a setting to add or remove to the latency, but it just goes from -50 to +50ms, which isn't enough to get both machines in sync. I also tried Ableton+Acid, where the slower PC gave the timecode, but then the sync would drift. On the slow PC I can't use Ableton, since I have two different Audio outs, and Ableton would only let me select one of them, so I have no dedicated PreListen output. I just need some ideas, what a successful setup could be... Lars From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 12:08:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QG37418644; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:03:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:03:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <67.15af13d3.2c54002f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:02:55 EDT Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_67.15af13d3.2c54002f_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_67.15af13d3.2c54002f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/26/03 6:13:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > Not a monkey with a computer... :-) > > i never meant to equate mr beck with a monkey, i don't need the monkeys pissed at me also.....:).....(i believe i said to fill in the blank).....michael --part1_67.15af13d3.2c54002f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/26/0= 3 6:13:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


Not a monkey with a computer...= :-)



i never meant to equate mr beck with a monkey, i don't need the monkeys piss= ed at me also.....:).....(i believe i said to fill in the blank).....michael= --part1_67.15af13d3.2c54002f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 12:54:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QGdE822437; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:39:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:39:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e901c35394$6d95b9a0$9f00a8c0@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <001401c35210$2fb4d380$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:34:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will, Thanks. I bookmarked his page and I'll check his samples out tonight. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Brake" To: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang > Brian, > > Just listen to the last two John Scofield releases. While the sound > quality isn't pristine, I think it is a functional unit. Better still, > it is currently in production!! > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 13:05:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QH4jY25509; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:04:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:04:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030726170439.41418.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: frippery - the improper noun To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00e901c35394$6d95b9a0$9f00a8c0@ws1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1929876634-1059239079=:39275" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1929876634-1059239079=:39275 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii just for shits: in PASTE magazine #5, an interview with pete yorn. while discussing the usage of loops and various electronic devices in the recording process, the magazine states "Yorn wanted to keep things real in the studio and not rely on audio frippery to get his point across." apparently, frippery is making its way into the lexicon. -jim --0-1929876634-1059239079=:39275 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

just for shits:

in PASTE magazine #5, an interview with pete yorn.  while discussing the usage of loops and various electronic devices in the recording process, the magazine states "Yorn wanted to keep things real in the studio and not rely on audio frippery to get his point across."

apparently, frippery is making its way into the lexicon.

-jim

--0-1929876634-1059239079=:39275-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 13:20:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QHEOu26775; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:14:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:14:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030726101328.01448d80@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:14:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: frippery - the improper noun In-Reply-To: <20030726170439.41418.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00e901c35394$6d95b9a0$9f00a8c0@ws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, but is there any Lexicon in Fripp's frippery? At 10:04 AM 03/07/26, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: >apparently, frippery is making its way into the lexicon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 13:24:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QHNS127545; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:23:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:32:15 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] frippery - the improper noun In-Reply-To: <20030726170439.41418.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > just for shits: > > in PASTE magazine #5, an interview with pete yorn. while discussing > the usage of loops and various electronic devices in the recording > process, the magazine states "Yorn wanted to keep things real in the > studio and not rely on audio frippery to get his point across." > > apparently, frippery is making its way into the lexicon. Heh. Taking you way too seriously for a moment, http://www.m-w.com/ lists the etymology of "frippery" as: "Etymology: Middle French friperie, alteration of Old French freperie, from frepe old garment Date: 1568" Now, I don't wish to deny Robert Fripp's early influence on looping, but I somehow doubt he was playing in the court of King Charles IX of France in 1568 :). best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ (we have a show tonight in Raleigh, NC: follow the link for details if you're in the neighborhood and interested) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 13:37:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QHZUs28643; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: frippery - the improper noun Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:35:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030726170439.41418.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com frip.pery Pronunciation: 'fri-p(&-)rE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -per.ies Etymology: Middle French friperie, alteration of Old French freperie, from frepe old garment Date: 1568 -----Original Message----- From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: frippery - the improper noun just for shits: in PASTE magazine #5, an interview with pete yorn. while discussing the usage of loops and various electronic devices in the recording process, the magazine states "Yorn wanted to keep things real in the studio and not rely on audio frippery to get his point across." apparently, frippery is making its way into the lexicon. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 13:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QHcSt29019; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:38:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:38:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: frippery - the improper noun Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:38:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops--sorry 'bout the redundancy. To change the subject quickly, and not to take it completely OT, does anyone know the etymology of "gig"? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 13:47:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QHjjJ29672; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:45:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e001c3539e$8b882740$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: Subject: Re: [LOOP] frippery - the improper noun Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:51:30 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > apparently, frippery is making its way into the lexicon. > > Heh. Taking you way too seriously for a moment, > > http://www.m-w.com/ > lists the etymology of "frippery" as: > "Etymology: Middle French friperie, alteration of Old French freperie, > from frepe old garment > Date: 1568" > > Now, I don't wish to deny Robert Fripp's early influence on looping, but I > somehow doubt he was playing in the court of King Charles IX of France in > 1568 :). So -was he the one known as "the crimson king", who invented the Smellotron - where the sharpened keys of a harpsichord pricked the skins of various fruits? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 13:53:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QHp4W30487; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e401c3539f$4b261bc0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: Subject: Re: frippery - the improper noun Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:56:52 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Relay" To: Sent: Saturday, 26 July, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: RE: frippery - the improper noun > Oops--sorry 'bout the redundancy. > To change the subject quickly, and not to take it completely OT, does anyone > know the etymology of "gig"? > Gary That evolved from a term for the traditional amount of memory required to play laptop performances. (* also see: Digital Smellotron) Sorry - I'll stop now, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 13:59:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QHxFM31276; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:08:02 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: frippery - the improper noun In-Reply-To: <00e001c3539e$8b882740$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Scott M2 wrote: > > > apparently, frippery is making its way into the lexicon. > > > > Heh. Taking you way too seriously for a moment, > > > > http://www.m-w.com/ > > lists the etymology of "frippery" as: > > "Etymology: Middle French friperie, alteration of Old French freperie, > > from frepe old garment > > Date: 1568" > > > > Now, I don't wish to deny Robert Fripp's early influence on looping, but I > > somehow doubt he was playing in the court of King Charles IX of France in > > 1568 :). > > So -was he the one known as "the crimson king", > who invented the Smellotron - where the sharpened keys > of a harpsichord pricked the skins of various fruits? Yes, although due to decay of the fruits the Smellotron was even harder to keep in tune than the analog synths of the mid-twentieth century. The "crimson king" also worked with the noted architect B.S.Johnson [1] to pioneer the earliest reverb unit, being a performance hall with the rear wall mounted on rollers and moved by pulleys. The resultant scene when this was beta-tested and the walls were rapidly moved forward to shorten the reverb time was (much later) compared to the "trash compactor" scene in _Star Wars_, and the project was abruptly dropped. [1] Acknowledgements to Terry Pratchett for the BSJ reference. best, Steve Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 14:56:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QInD503677; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:49:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:49:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017901c353a7$694cf1c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Falling You + Andrew Duke Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:54:58 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This week it's an East Coast/West Coast affair featuring Andrew Duke from Nova Scotia and Falling You from California. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 29th - Falling You and Andrew Duke Falling You brings their blend of dark ambient and ethereal electronica all the way from Santa Cruz, California to play for those whose hearts are moved by moody music and gorgeous female vocals and for those who live their lives by moonlight. Influences and comparisons range from Nurse With Wound & Coil, to Brian Eno & Harold Budd, to Dead Can Dance & Lycia, to Underworld, as electronics from John Michael Zorko meet the haunting voices of Dru Allen & Aimee Page. http://www.mp3.com/fallingyou Don't miss the opening set by Halifax's Andrew Duke, who has been composing, producing, remixing and performing music since 1987. He's been commissioned for 39 remixes (for artists like Aaliyah, Pink Floyd, Chicks On Speed and David Kristian), has licensed 107 tracks to compilations & toured his live PA across Canada. (Look for Andrew's "Highest Common Denominator" CD from Piehead Records and others at ping things) http://www.techno.ca/cognition Between Sets CD - "Slim Westerns" by a small, good thing This 1994 release by a small, good thing (led by Andrew Hulme of British ethno-tribal-ambient act O Yuki Conjugate) merges the classic "western" sounds of acoustic & electric guitars with expansive laid-back ambience. (soleilmoon recordings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * PS - Those of you in the Far West of Toronto can also catch Falling You and dreamSTATE Wednesday the 30th at the new FUTUR*SONIC live-electronic weekly event in Hamilton at the Underground - 41 Catharine St. North 8pm - midnite - More info: http://www.futursonic.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 5th - LEARK with cheryl o LEARK - http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta/leark/ cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Between Sets CD - "Recent Future" by Steve Roach . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Feral" by ARC Coaxing unique tones from their instruments and finding inspiration in the chance occurence of sounds, the members of Toronto improvisational trio ARC have gained a reputation for experimenting with musical forms. With their latest disc "Feral", ARC continue with that experimentation & exploration, and in the process have released an enigmatic work of great beauty and wonder. With the slow cascade of opener "Trepidation", through to the rising swirl of "Space to Run" ARC create an environment where the listener is immersed in new sensations, where standard notions of the ways music should be heard are challenged and redefined. While still using "traditional" instrumentation ie guitar, loops, drums, percussion, etc, ARC have found ways to form startling new soundscapes of sweeping grandeur & size as heard in tracks like "Emergence" and "Morphosis". More subtle tones are explored in "Untitled" & disc closer "Nested", returning the listener to a more familiar environment while still maintaining the distinction of earlier tracks. I've never hesitated in my admission of being a fan of ARC, and hearing "Feral" I'm reminded just what it is that appeals to me about them. An indispensible work. rik maclean - - rik@pingthings.com This month at http://www.pingthings.com - an exclusive interview with Mercurine plus the ping things *massive* first freaking anniversary sale... Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 16:08:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QK7r512220; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:07:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:07:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030726200746.4664.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:07:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <67.15af13d3.2c54002f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I'm just saying that 'You Had It Coming' is also an electronica-flavored album. So is 'Who Else?', which I haven't heard yet. I think Beck's comments about technology have to be viewed in recognition of the fact that, while he's wary of over-dependence on it, he still *uses* it, and very well at that. -t- ps: sorta like the monkey-on-the-mixer on the Chain Tape Collective's 'Percussion' cover, no? --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/26/03 6:13:12 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Not a monkey with a computer... :-) > > > > > > i never meant to equate mr beck with a monkey, i > don't need the monkeys > pissed at me also.....:).....(i believe i said to > fill in the blank).....michael > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 16:13:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QKCOK12715; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:12:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:12:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030726201218.8063.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: frippery - the improper noun To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Relay wrote: > does anyone know the etymology of "gig"? If this posts before Dr. Zvonar has a chance to answer, it can be found at (Emily Litella: "I don't see what it has to do with a Swedish automobile... 'Volvo'? Oh! Nevermind! That's something very different!") -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 16:27:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QKKQs13515; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:20:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.169.188] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:20:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C35378.9D9FC3A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:20:00 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2003 20:20:12.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[5105C590:01C353B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C35378.9D9FC3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Wanted to give this one just one more shot. Did get one suggestion = (thanks Jon) which wasn't quite what I was looking for (but useful in = other contexts nevertheless). Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to chime in = and acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop play = to its end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible with = the current OS. Does the EDP in contrast support such a command? I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would = announce they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... = such as being able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... Best, Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nic Roozeboom=20 To: Reflector Loopers-Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Repeater - "conditional stop" (Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a good = search argument to hit the archives with.) One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" = button (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the = DL4 run a few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the = last desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to = the end of the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant. As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper in = advance, since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually have = lots of other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical requirement. Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as accessible and = intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 it = loops stereo/multichannel. The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my = understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop". There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple = footpedal, would need to use hands to press buttons & turn knobs, or = would require a midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next loop, = wait for CFC, hit play" or some such. Not to mention that the next empty = loop might be several loops in the list removed from the current. I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal = implementation might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that = would result in the loop stopping at the end, and with the original loop = loaded in memory. Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the list = who have scratched their head over this same simple problem with = positive outcome? Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance! Best, Nic ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C35378.9D9FC3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
Wanted to give this one just one more shot. Did get = one suggestion=20 (thanks Jon) which wasn't quite what I was looking for (but useful = in other=20 contexts nevertheless).
 
Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to chime = in and=20 acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop play to = its end,=20 then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible with the = current=20 OS.
 
Does the EDP in contrast support such a command?
 
I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would = announce=20 they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... such as = being able=20 to configure one track as a MIDI looper...
 
Best,
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Nic Roozeboom
To: Reflector=20 Loopers-Delight
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 = 8:23=20 PM
Subject: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

(Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a = good search=20 argument to hit the archives with.)
 
One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" = button=20 (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the DL4 run = a few=20 repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the last = desired=20 repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to the end of = the loop,=20 then stop. Very seamless and elegant.
 
As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper in = advance, since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually have = lots of=20 other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical requirement.
 
Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as = accessible and=20 intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 = it loops=20 stereo/multichannel.
 
The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my=20 understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop".
 
There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple = footpedal,=20 would need to use hands to press buttons & turn knobs, or would = require a=20 midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next loop, wait for CFC, = hit play"=20 or some such. Not to mention that the next empty loop might be several = loops=20 in the list removed from the current.
 
I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal = implementation=20 might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that would result in = the loop=20 stopping at the end, and with the original loop loaded in = memory.
 
Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the = list who=20 have scratched their head over this same simple problem with positive = outcome?=20 Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance!
 
Best,
Nic
------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C35378.9D9FC3A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 16:48:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QKjYO16010; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:45:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:45:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030726133629.01584210@pop3.loomwebdesign.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:45:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EDP has a PlaySample DirectMIDI command whose description is "Immediately restart the loop and play once" - close but not exactly what you described. A closer approximation would be to queue a loop termination request by using NextLoop where the next loop is empty, SwitchQuant is on and autorecord is off. At 01:20 PM 03/07/26, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > >Hi, > >Wanted to give this one just one more shot. Did get one suggestion (thanks >Jon) which wasn't quite what I was looking for (but useful in other >contexts nevertheless). > >Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to chime in and >acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop play to its >end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible with the current OS. > >Does the EDP in contrast support such a command? > >I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would announce >they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... such as being >able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... > >Best, >Nic >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nic Roozeboom >To: Reflector Loopers-Delight >Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:23 PM >Subject: Repeater - "conditional stop" > >(Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a good search >argument to hit the archives with.) > >One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" button >(third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the DL4 run a >few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the last >desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to the end >of the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant. > >As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper in advance, >since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually have lots of >other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical requirement. > >Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as accessible and >intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 it >loops stereo/multichannel. > >The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my >understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop". > >There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple footpedal, >would need to use hands to press buttons & turn knobs, or would require a >midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next loop, wait for CFC, hit >play" or some such. Not to mention that the next empty loop might be >several loops in the list removed from the current. > >I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal implementation >might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that would result in the >loop stopping at the end, and with the original loop loaded in memory. > >Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the list who >have scratched their head over this same simple problem with positive >outcome? Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance! > >Best, >Nic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 18:19:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QMIYo23440; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030726141148.020f3270@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:19:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to chime in and >acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop play to its >end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible with the current OS. > >Does the EDP in contrast support such a command? With quantize on, press Mute. It finishes the current loop and stops. From Mute you can either: a) unmute from where the loop would have been if it kept going, b) trigger the loop from the start to play once and stop, c) trigger the loop from the beginning to keep playing. From MIDI you have more options. At any time you can do b or c above without being in mute first, i.e. retrigger the loop from the beginning to play once, or retrigger it from the beginning to keep going. These are the SamplePlay and ReTrigger DirectMidi commands respectively. You also have the sampler triggering options, where a MIDI note is assigned for each loop. The SamplerStye parameter sets how the loops are played: "Run" means when the note comes the loop starts playing from wherever it last was left and keeps going. "Once" means when the note comes the loop plays once from the start and stops. "Start" means when the note comes the loop starts from the beginning and keeps looping. "Attack" means when the note comes the loop plays from the beginning and keeps going until the note off message comes, then it stops. The sampler triggering is also velocity sensitive. (set by the velocity parameter.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 18:28:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QMS2I25014; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:28:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:28:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: EDP signal input Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 17:29:07 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c353c5$545623e0$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030726141148.020f3270@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <70oeKC.A.tGG.yBwI_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Say, Kim, while we're on the topic of the EDP's capabilities... Is the audio path AC or DC coupled? In particular, will the EDP record/playback a suitably scaled CV for instance. (Twisted thought, I know.) Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 18:30:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QMTii25243; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:29:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030726151845.021467f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:29:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would announce >they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... such as being >able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... yes, it's amazing. It can't be that hard. Maybe you could take it on? After all, the Repeater is only a fully custom piece of hardware with its own unique system architecture, and code running straight on the silicon probably without any commercial OS in between. But that just means you gotta know how the hardware works to write the code and there's no OS there to do anything for you. Of course, no documentation is publicly available on the hardware architecture or the programmable logic parts. But heck, with a little patience, a multimeter, logic analyzer, scope, and a year or two of spare time you could probably figure out most of it. Then I guess you would have to decompile the machine code from the roms into undocumented assembler or maybe even C code. I don't know how well decompilers work, but probably the result will be messy and difficult for humans to understand. Hey, but no matter, if you had all the time to figure out the hardware, you've got time to unravel the code too! I bet it would be fun. Once you've got that figured out, then you can go about adding your own features. Careful now! this ain't wimpy windows programming. Real-time embedded coding without a net! Everything you do has the potential to throw something else off, so you need to keep an eye on every clock cycle and all the possible states you could be in. Judging by the kind of bugs they had, there probably aren't many cycles left to play with, but there must be a few here and there. The Electrix guys only went a year over schedule and still had bugs trying to do this, so it can't be that hard really. Oh, by the way, did you catch the time when Electrix mentioned they were out of code space? Ah well, there are probably a few features in there you don't use anyway, so rip 'em out! Assuming you can actually figure out which part of the code they're in... Sounds like a great project! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 18:34:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QMUlD25434; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:30:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Syncing 2 PC's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000d01c35374$14eaa6a0$152ea8c0@lars> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm. My guess is has something to do with MIDI via a LAN. Network packet traffic was never supposed to provide realtime anything, though I must admit ignorance to this protocol. Did you try using a standard USB to MIDI interface? I used to get an iBook to talk to a Mac G3 desktop with no issues. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 05:47 AM, Lars Oeschey wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to the list, I don't know if I'm right here ;) > > What I want to do is a live performance with 2 PC's and perhaps a few > keyboards. I did a few tests already, and found my biggest problem is > the sync of the PC's. > One Laptop is a Pentium M 1800, so a quite modern machine, while the > other is a Pentium 400. That means that I can't run *every* software on > the P400 (e.g. Cakewalk Sonar). > I linked the machines with a network cable (100MBit) and run > MidiOverLan > on it, which currently just transports Sync Data. > For example I tried to run Ableton Liv on the fast machine, and rebirth > on the slower one. Ableton has a setting to add or remove to the > latency, but it just goes from -50 to +50ms, which isn't enough to get > both machines in sync. > I also tried Ableton+Acid, where the slower PC gave the timecode, but > then the sync would drift. > On the slow PC I can't use Ableton, since I have two different Audio > outs, and Ableton would only let me select one of them, so I have no > dedicated PreListen output. > > I just need some ideas, what a successful setup could be... > > Lars > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 18:52:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QMq6927849; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:52:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:51:55 EDT Subject: Re: beck/torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0.3cd013a7.2c54600b_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d0.3cd013a7.2c54600b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/26/03 9:04:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 7/26/03 6:13:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > > > >> Not a monkey with a computer... :-) >> >> > > i never meant to equate mr beck with a monkey, i don't need the monkeys > pissed at me also.....:).....(i believe i said to fill in the blank).....michael Aw Michael, The Monkees broke up a long time ago... Davy Jones --part1_d0.3cd013a7.2c54600b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/26/03 9:04:29 AM Pacific Daylight= Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 7/26/03 6:13= :12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


Not a monkey with a computer...= :-)



i never meant to equate mr beck with a monkey, i don't need the monkeys piss= ed at me also.....:).....(i believe i said to fill in the blank).....michael=


Aw Michael, The Monkees brok= e up a long time ago...

Davy Jones --part1_d0.3cd013a7.2c54600b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 19:53:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6QNqCZ01259; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:52:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:52:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:52:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030726151845.021467f0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <2BF82B18-BFC4-11D7-86E9-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I could do it, I just don't want to. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >> I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would >> announce they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... >> such as being able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... > > yes, it's amazing. It can't be that hard. Maybe you could take it on? > After all, the Repeater is only a fully custom piece of hardware with > its own unique system architecture, and code running straight on the > silicon probably without any commercial OS in between. But that just > means you gotta know how the hardware works to write the code and > there's no OS there to do anything for you. Of course, no > documentation is publicly available on the hardware architecture or > the programmable logic parts. But heck, with a little patience, a > multimeter, logic analyzer, scope, and a year or two of spare time you > could probably figure out most of it. Then I guess you would have to > decompile the machine code from the roms into undocumented assembler > or maybe even C code. I don't know how well decompilers work, but > probably the result will be messy and difficult for humans to > understand. Hey, but no matter, if you had all the time to figure out > the hardware, you've got time to unravel the code too! I bet it would > be fun. Once you've got that figured out, then you can go about adding > your own features. Careful now! this ain't wimpy windows programming. > Real-time embedded coding without a net! Everything you do has the > potential to throw something else off, so you need to keep an eye on > every clock cycle and all the possible states you could be in. Judging > by the kind of bugs they had, there probably aren't many cycles left > to play with, but there must be a few here and there. The Electrix > guys only went a year over schedule and still had bugs trying to do > this, so it can't be that hard really. Oh, by the way, did you catch > the time when Electrix mentioned they were out of code space? Ah well, > there are probably a few features in there you don't use anyway, so > rip 'em out! Assuming you can actually figure out which part of the > code they're in... > > Sounds like a great project! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 20:50:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6R0oC606732; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:50:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c353d9$30d54e00$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <2BF82B18-BFC4-11D7-86E9-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did it yesterday. But then the dog ate it... - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" I could do it, I just don't want to. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >> I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would >> announce they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... >> such as being able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... > > yes, it's amazing. It can't be that hard. Maybe you could take it on? > After all, the Repeater is only a fully custom piece of hardware with > its own unique system architecture, and code running straight on the > silicon probably without any commercial OS in between. But that just > means you gotta know how the hardware works to write the code and > there's no OS there to do anything for you. Of course, no > documentation is publicly available on the hardware architecture or > the programmable logic parts. But heck, with a little patience, a > multimeter, logic analyzer, scope, and a year or two of spare time you > could probably figure out most of it. Then I guess you would have to > decompile the machine code from the roms into undocumented assembler > or maybe even C code. I don't know how well decompilers work, but > probably the result will be messy and difficult for humans to > understand. Hey, but no matter, if you had all the time to figure out > the hardware, you've got time to unravel the code too! I bet it would > be fun. Once you've got that figured out, then you can go about adding > your own features. Careful now! this ain't wimpy windows programming. > Real-time embedded coding without a net! Everything you do has the > potential to throw something else off, so you need to keep an eye on > every clock cycle and all the possible states you could be in. Judging > by the kind of bugs they had, there probably aren't many cycles left > to play with, but there must be a few here and there. The Electrix > guys only went a year over schedule and still had bugs trying to do > this, so it can't be that hard really. Oh, by the way, did you catch > the time when Electrix mentioned they were out of code space? Ah well, > there are probably a few features in there you don't use anyway, so > rip 'em out! Assuming you can actually figure out which part of the > code they're in... > > Sounds like a great project! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 20:58:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6R0w1S07531; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:58:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 17:57:59 -0700 Subject: ACID sample files Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <2BF82B18-BFC4-11D7-86E9-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <5E078508-BFCD-11D7-86E9-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, are ACID files different than regular .wav or .aif files? If not, is there a converter for those of us who'd like to use Live or something else? I see a lot of CDROMs that bill themselves as ACID libraries and I'm wondering if that's just marketing for ACID as I know it can use .wav files. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 26 21:45:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6R1heM11788; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:43:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.ea34394.2c548841@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:43:29 EDT Subject: Re: ACID sample files To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark: you can use the acid libraries in Live... just not acid docs. the samples are wav files... I'm currently using my acid library of drum loops in Logic... works just fine! best RA >Hey, > >are ACID files different than regular .wav or .aif files? If not, is >there a converter for those of us who'd like to use Live or something >else? I see a lot of CDROMs that bill themselves as ACID libraries and > >I'm wondering if that's just marketing for ACID as I know it can use >.wav files. > >Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 00:17:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6R4GWu29558; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:16:24 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c353f5$d7ead450$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <00e901c35394$6d95b9a0$9f00a8c0@ws1> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure, I have three clients that own them, one even has two! I've worked on a couple for minor problems, and I believe they are built well. Very sturdy and really simple to use. I would not hesitate to buy one. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Brian Carabee [mailto:compguy@bestweb.net] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang Will, Thanks. I bookmarked his page and I'll check his samples out tonight. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Brake" To: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang > Brian, > > Just listen to the last two John Scofield releases. While the sound > quality isn't pristine, I think it is a functional unit. Better still, > it is currently in production!! > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 01:10:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6R59vo03654; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 01:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 01:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.173.7] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030726151845.021467f0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:09:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C353C2.9D7F91D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:09:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2003 05:09:50.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EA01090:01C353FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C353C2.9D7F91D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I gotta remember to put those smileys in right after the stuff I write = in jest - apparently it makes all the difference. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kim Flint=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would = announce=20 >they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... such as = being=20 >able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... yes, it's amazing. It can't be that hard. Maybe you could take it on? = After=20 all, the Repeater is only a fully custom piece of hardware with its = own=20 unique system architecture, and code running straight on the silicon=20 probably without any commercial OS in between. But that just means you = gotta know how the hardware works to write the code and there's no OS = there=20 to do anything for you. Of course, no documentation is publicly = available=20 on the hardware architecture or the programmable logic parts. But = heck,=20 with a little patience, a multimeter, logic analyzer, scope, and a = year or=20 two of spare time you could probably figure out most of it. Then I = guess=20 you would have to decompile the machine code from the roms into=20 undocumented assembler or maybe even C code. I don't know how well=20 decompilers work, but probably the result will be messy and difficult = for=20 humans to understand. Hey, but no matter, if you had all the time to = figure=20 out the hardware, you've got time to unravel the code too! I bet it = would=20 be fun. Once you've got that figured out, then you can go about adding = your=20 own features. Careful now! this ain't wimpy windows programming. = Real-time=20 embedded coding without a net! Everything you do has the potential to = throw=20 something else off, so you need to keep an eye on every clock cycle = and all=20 the possible states you could be in. Judging by the kind of bugs they = had,=20 there probably aren't many cycles left to play with, but there must be = a=20 few here and there. The Electrix guys only went a year over schedule = and=20 still had bugs trying to do this, so it can't be that hard really. Oh, = by=20 the way, did you catch the time when Electrix mentioned they were out = of=20 code space? Ah well, there are probably a few features in there you = don't=20 use anyway, so rip 'em out! Assuming you can actually figure out which = part=20 of the code they're in... Sounds like a great project! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C353C2.9D7F91D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I gotta remember to put those smileys in right after the stuff I = write in=20 jest - apparently it makes all the difference.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Flint
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 = 3:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
>I = imagined=20 it would be only a matter of time before someone would announce =
>they=20 had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... such as being=20
>able to configure one track as a MIDI looper...

yes, = it's=20 amazing. It can't be that hard. Maybe you could take it on? After =
all, the=20 Repeater is only a fully custom piece of hardware with its own =
unique=20 system architecture, and code running straight on the silicon =
probably=20 without any commercial OS in between. But that just means you =
gotta know=20 how the hardware works to write the code and there's no OS there =
to do=20 anything for you. Of course, no documentation is publicly available =
on the=20 hardware architecture or the programmable logic parts. But heck, =
with a=20 little patience, a multimeter, logic analyzer, scope, and a year or =
two of=20 spare time you could probably figure out most of it. Then I guess =
you=20 would have to decompile the machine code from the roms into =
undocumented=20 assembler or maybe even C code. I don't know how well
decompilers = work,=20 but probably the result will be messy and difficult for
humans to=20 understand. Hey, but no matter, if you had all the time to figure =
out the=20 hardware, you've got time to unravel the code too! I bet it would =
be fun.=20 Once you've got that figured out, then you can go about adding your =
own=20 features. Careful now! this ain't wimpy windows programming. Real-time =
embedded coding without a net! Everything you do has the potential = to=20 throw
something else off, so you need to keep an eye on every = clock cycle=20 and all
the possible states you could be in. Judging by the kind = of bugs=20 they had,
there probably aren't many cycles left to play with, but = there=20 must be a
few here and there. The Electrix guys only went a year = over=20 schedule and
still had bugs trying to do this, so it can't be that = hard=20 really. Oh, by
the way, did you catch the time when Electrix = mentioned=20 they were out of
code space? Ah well, there are probably a few = features in=20 there you don't
use anyway, so rip 'em out! Assuming you can = actually=20 figure out which part
of the code they're in...

Sounds like = a great=20 = project!

kim


__________________________________________= ____________________________
Kim=20 = Flint           &n= bsp;        =20 | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com=    =20 | http://www.loopers-delight.com

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C353C2.9D7F91D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 01:21:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6R5K6m04703; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 01:20:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 01:20:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.173.7] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030726141148.020f3270@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:19:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C353C4.08D83B70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:19:52 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2003 05:20:00.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9F64930:01C353FE] Resent-Message-ID: <3iDWcB.A.WJB.GE2I_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C353C4.08D83B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So not only does the EDP support this feature, it has multiple variants = of it. Starting to feel some EDP envy here. I should have mentioned I = don't own one, but I was curious. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kim Flint=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to chime = in and=20 >acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop play = to its=20 >end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible with the = current OS. > >Does the EDP in contrast support such a command? With quantize on, press Mute. It finishes the current loop and stops. From Mute you can either: a) unmute from where the loop would have = been if=20 it kept going, b) trigger the loop from the start to play once and = stop, c)=20 trigger the loop from the beginning to keep playing. From MIDI you have more options. At any time you can do b or c above=20 without being in mute first, i.e. retrigger the loop from the = beginning to=20 play once, or retrigger it from the beginning to keep going. These are = the=20 SamplePlay and ReTrigger DirectMidi commands respectively. You also have the sampler triggering options, where a MIDI note is = assigned=20 for each loop. The SamplerStye parameter sets how the loops are = played: "Run" means when the note comes the loop starts playing from wherever = it=20 last was left and keeps going. "Once" means when the note comes the loop plays once from the start = and stops. "Start" means when the note comes the loop starts from the beginning = and=20 keeps looping. "Attack" means when the note comes the loop plays from the beginning = and=20 keeps going until the note off message comes, then it stops. The sampler triggering is also velocity sensitive. (set by the = velocity=20 parameter.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C353C4.08D83B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So not only does the EDP support this feature, it has multiple = variants of=20 it. Starting to feel some EDP envy here. I should have mentioned I don't = own=20 one, but I was curious.
 
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Flint
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 = 3:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
>Sort = of=20 expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to chime in and=20
>acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop = play to=20 its
>end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible = with=20 the current OS.
>
>Does the EDP in contrast support such a = command?

With quantize on, press Mute. It finishes the current = loop and=20 stops.

 From Mute you can either: a) unmute from where the = loop=20 would have been if
it kept going, b) trigger the loop from the = start to=20 play once and stop, c)
trigger the loop from the beginning to keep = playing.

 From MIDI you have more options. At any time you = can do=20 b or c above
without being in mute first, i.e. retrigger the loop = from the=20 beginning to
play once, or retrigger it from the beginning to keep = going.=20 These are the
SamplePlay and ReTrigger DirectMidi commands=20 respectively.

You also have the sampler triggering options, = where a=20 MIDI note is assigned
for each loop. The SamplerStye parameter = sets how=20 the loops are played:

"Run" means when the note comes the loop = starts=20 playing from wherever it
last was left and keeps = going.

"Once"=20 means when the note comes the loop plays once from the start and=20 stops.

"Start" means when the note comes the loop starts from = the=20 beginning and
keeps looping.

"Attack" means when the note = comes the=20 loop plays from the beginning and
keeps going until the note off = message=20 comes, then it stops.

The sampler triggering is also velocity=20 sensitive. (set by the velocity=20 =
parameter.)

kim


___________________________________= ___________________________________
Kim=20 = Flint           &n= bsp;        =20 | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com=    =20 | http://www.loopers-delight.com

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C353C4.08D83B70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 04:09:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6R87aF18319; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:07:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:07:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c35416$20d85cd0$9f00a8c0@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <002401c353f5$d7ead450$7f613d44@soulfruit> Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:07:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-rplXB.A.HeE.Hh4I_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks again, Will. I attended a Phil Keaggy concert last March and he used his JamMan throughout the entire concert. I was blown away by the huge wall of sound he built on some songs. Naturally, I said to myself "I've got to try this". I realize that the Boomerang may not provide the fidelity of a JamMan or an Echoplex, but the 'rang looks like a great unit to start with. I've heard some people complain that the loops tend to attenuate quickly with the 'rang as they're built up, but others say this is not really a problem. Keaggy's unit did not seem to suffer any degradation as he built up loops, but I'm not expecting the kind of perfection that he achieved. Your mini-review is much appreciated! Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Brake" To: Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:16 AM Subject: RE: Question about the Boomerang > Sure, I have three clients that own them, one even has two! I've worked > on a couple for minor problems, and I believe they are built well. Very > sturdy and really simple to use. I would not hesitate to buy one. > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 07:24:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RBNVd01934; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:23:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030727112325.90850.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:23:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c35416$20d85cd0$9f00a8c0@ws1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5lmZxC.A.Ge.zY7I_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Brian Carabee wrote: >I've heard > some people complain that the loops tend to > attenuate quickly with the 'rang > as they're built up, but others say this is not > really a problem. The feedback is adjustable. (Not on the fly, though...) -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 07:38:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RBbXb02990; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F23B9E1.C0071FAC@cloud9.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:39:13 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" References: <200307270510.h6R5AsC03814@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.20.0.1; VDF: 6.20.0.48; host: camomile.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, yeah, but I'd be willing to pay at least $50 for such a feature. That would keep some starving music gear-hacker off the street long enough to do this "quick and easy" mod, wouldn't it??? Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. It seems a much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception that there's no market for it? Or is there something out there of which I'm not aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!) Thanks, Elby > At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > >I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would > announce > >they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... such as > being > >able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... > > yes, it's amazing. It can't be that hard. Maybe you could take it on? > After > all, the Repeater is only a fully custom piece of hardware with its > own > unique system architecture, and code running straight on the silicon > probably without any commercial OS in between. But that just means > you > gotta know how the hardware works to write the code and there's no OS > there > to do anything for you. Of course, no documentation is publicly > available > on the hardware architecture or the programmable logic parts. But > heck, > with a little patience, a multimeter, logic analyzer, scope, and a > year or > two of spare time you could probably figure out most of it. Then I > guess > you would have to decompile the machine code from the roms into > undocumented assembler or maybe even C code. I don't know how well > decompilers work, but probably the result will be messy and difficult > for > humans to understand. Hey, but no matter, if you had all the time to > figure > out the hardware, you've got time to unravel the code too! I bet it > would > be fun. Once you've got that figured out, then you can go about adding > your > own features. Careful now! this ain't wimpy windows programming. > Real-time > embedded coding without a net! Everything you do has the potential to > throw > something else off, so you need to keep an eye on every clock cycle > and all > the possible states you could be in. Judging by the kind of bugs they > had, > there probably aren't many cycles left to play with, but there must be > a > few here and there. The Electrix guys only went a year over schedule > and > still had bugs trying to do this, so it can't be that hard really. Oh, > by > the way, did you catch the time when Electrix mentioned they were out > of > code space? Ah well, there are probably a few features in there you > don't > use anyway, so rip 'em out! Assuming you can actually figure out which > part > of the code they're in... > > Sounds like a great project! > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 09:21:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RDKa010701; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:20:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:20:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <140.1638892a.2c552b9b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:20:27 EDT Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_140.1638892a.2c552b9b_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_140.1638892a.2c552b9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/27/03 4:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, compguy@bestweb.net writes: > I've heard > some people complain that the loops tend to attenuate quickly with the 'rang > brian.....you can control this from: no attenuation (nothing goes away), all the way down to a "slap-back" delay, with several settings in between.....the rang works as a looper as well as a very varied delay.....i think there are a lot of folks that don't really investigate the rang deeply enuf, it's not "deep'' but it does quite a bit imho.....michael --part1_140.1638892a.2c552b9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/27/0= 3 4:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, compguy@bestweb.net writes:


I've heard
some people complain that the loops tend to attenuate quickly with the 'rang=


brian.....you can control this from: no attenuation (nothing goes away), all= the way down to a "slap-back" delay, with several settings in between.....t= he rang works as a looper as well as a very varied delay.....i think there a= re a lot of folks that don't really investigate the rang deeply enuf, it's n= ot "deep'' but it does quite a bit imho.....michael --part1_140.1638892a.2c552b9b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 10:06:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RE5U813777; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:05:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:05:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c35447$c1c302e0$3d3c5cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #331 for July 24, 2003 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:02:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35426.2D777600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35426.2D777600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each = Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in = Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #331 July 24, 2003 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on sonic explorer Robert = Rich, who has helped to define modern electronic music styles while defying = categori- zation. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Sunyata" on the Hypnos label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy Carlos = on CBS Records. Robert Rich - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:00 pm Wendy Carlos Gannymede Digital Moonscapes = (CBS) Under the Dome Unit 2 Dome Roots Collection (Cochlear Vision) Syndromeda Echoing Heights Creatures from the = Inner (Neu Harmony) Code Indigo Zero Hour Time Code (AD Music) Synthetic Block The Quartz Marsh Sonic Approach = (Hypnos/Binary) 12:00 am Robert Rich Dervish Dreamtime Sunyata (Hypnos) Robert Rich Oak Spirits Sunyata (Hypnos) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Robert Rich. = The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Humidity" by Robert Rich on the Hypnos = label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy = Carlos on CBS Masterworks records. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, = Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click = LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35426.2D777600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs = each=20 Thursday
at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and = 93.9 FM=20 in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.
            =    =20     Show #331       =20             July 24, = 2003
 
RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on sonic = explorer=20 Robert Rich,
who has helped to define modern electronic music styles = while=20 defying categori-
zation.  The Featured CD at Midnight was = "Sunyata" on=20 the Hypnos label.
 
The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy = Carlos on=20 CBS
Records.
 
Robert Rich - = http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jul
=
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST          &n= bsp;      =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:00 pm
Wendy=20 Carlos            = Gannymede          &nbs= p;    =20 Digital Moonscapes (CBS)
Under the=20 Dome          Unit=20 2            =       =20 Dome Roots=20 Collection
          = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;   =20 (Cochlear=20 Vision)
Syndromeda        &nbs= p;    =20 Echoing Heights          = Creatures=20 from the Inner=20 (Neu
           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  =20 Harmony)
Code=20 Indigo           &= nbsp;=20 Zero=20 Hour           &nb= sp;   =20 Time Code (AD Music)
Synthetic=20 Block         The Quartz=20 Marsh         Sonic Approach=20 (Hypnos/Binary)
 
12:00 am
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp;=20 Dervish Dreamtime        Sunyata=20 (Hypnos)
Robert=20 Rich           &nb= sp; Oak=20 Spirits           =   =20 Sunyata (Hypnos)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long = focus on=20 Robert Rich.  The
Featured CD at Midnight will be "Humidity" by = Robert=20 Rich on the Hypnos label.
 
The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Digital Moonscapes" by Wendy = Carlos=20 on
CBS Masterworks records.
 
Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show,  = Thursdays=20 at 11
pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and = 93.9 FM in=20 Easton
and Phillipsburg.  Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org  and click =20 LISTEN
EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic<= /A>
To=20 subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This = Group!]=20 at
http://groups.yahoo.co= m/group/emusic-wdiy
 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35426.2D777600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 10:23:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6REMaT15762; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:22:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:22:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:22:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200307271406.h6RE6MU13857@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was, I believe, an Akai rackmount box that would act as a "MIDI" delay with hold. Personally I suspect there's not much market for it. Whenever I've described what some might call "Live Looping" to a keyboardist, they get a puzzled look and say something like "Couldn't you just do the same thing in a sequencer program with cut and paste?" The live/real-time part doesn't tickle their fancy the way it does with guitarists. Big generalisations, I know, but that's my perception. Another sweeping statement: I'm always slightly surprised (pleasantly) when I see keyboards on stage with a local band, but I can count the number of guitar-less bands I've seen in the last decade on one hand (and for anyone looking to flame me on this, know that I play guitar and keyboards in my band). Many synths are being bought, but I wonder if they're seeing most of their use in studio-type situations where they're always connected to a full-featured recording/sequencing program, which diminishes a lot of the "need" for and EDP-type device. Also, you'd have the MIDI-unique problems of voice stealing (once your loops got dense), plus figuring out what happens when you change patches on your synth. If you want the loop to retain the timbre present when you recorded it, things get pretty complicated. TravisH On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 07:06 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has > created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. It seems > a > much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception that > there's > no market for it? Or is there something out there of which I'm not > aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 10:28:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6REPxN16302; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:25:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:25:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012701c3544a$7e670660$3607c151@nuno> From: "Nuno Climaco Pinto" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:22:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0124_01C35452.DEFED540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 25-07-2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01C35452.DEFED540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Repeater with OS 1.1 can do this! But you have to use a midi controler = like the Beringer .=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nic Roozeboom=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Hi, Wanted to give this one just one more shot. Did get one suggestion = (thanks Jon) which wasn't quite what I was looking for (but useful in = other contexts nevertheless). Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to chime in = and acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop play = to its end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible with = the current OS. Does the EDP in contrast support such a command? I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would = announce they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... = such as being able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... Best, Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nic Roozeboom=20 To: Reflector Loopers-Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Repeater - "conditional stop" (Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a good = search argument to hit the archives with.) One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" = button (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the = DL4 run a few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the = last desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to = the end of the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant. As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper in = advance, since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually have = lots of other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical requirement. Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as accessible = and intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 = it loops stereo/multichannel. The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my = understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop". There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple = footpedal, would need to use hands to press buttons & turn knobs, or = would require a midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next loop, = wait for CFC, hit play" or some such. Not to mention that the next empty = loop might be several loops in the list removed from the current. I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal = implementation might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that = would result in the loop stopping at the end, and with the original loop = loaded in memory. Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the list = who have scratched their head over this same simple problem with = positive outcome? Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance! Best, Nic ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01C35452.DEFED540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Repeater with OS 1.1 can do this! But you have = to use a=20 midi controler like the Beringer . 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nic=20 Roozeboom
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 = 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

Hi,
 
Wanted to give this one just one more shot. Did get = one suggestion=20 (thanks Jon) which wasn't quite what I was looking for (but = useful in=20 other contexts nevertheless).
 
Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to = chime in=20 and acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop = play to its=20 end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible with = the=20 current OS.
 
Does the EDP in contrast support such a command?
 
I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would = announce they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... = such as=20 being able to configure one track as a MIDI looper...
 
Best,
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Nic Roozeboom
To: Reflector=20 Loopers-Delight
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, = 2003 8:23=20 PM
Subject: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

(Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a = good=20 search argument to hit the archives with.)
 
One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play = Once"=20 button (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have = the DL4=20 run a few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the = last=20 desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to = the end of=20 the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant.
 
As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper = in=20 advance, since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually = have lots=20 of other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical = requirement.
 
Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as = accessible and=20 intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 = it=20 loops stereo/multichannel.
 
The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my = understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop".
 
There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple=20 footpedal, would need to use hands to press buttons & turn = knobs, or=20 would require a midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next = loop, wait=20 for CFC, hit play" or some such. Not to mention that the next empty = loop=20 might be several loops in the list removed from the current.
 
I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal=20 implementation might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that = would=20 result in the loop stopping at the end, and with the original loop = loaded in=20 memory.
 
Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the = list who=20 have scratched their head over this same simple problem with = positive=20 outcome? Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance!
 
Best,
Nic
------=_NextPart_000_0124_01C35452.DEFED540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 10:31:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6REUs316862; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:30:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012f01c3544b$2e77f640$3607c151@nuno> From: "Nuno Climaco Pinto" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:27:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012C_01C35453.8F282F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 25-07-2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <96UUGB.A.VHE.eI-I_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01C35453.8F282F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the O.S 1.1 update manual:=20 1.3.41 Auto record into new loop at loop end. First press of record = during loop playback engages auto record, a second record press manually = overrides and immediately engages record and the new loop. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nic Roozeboom=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Hi, Wanted to give this one just one more shot. Did get one suggestion = (thanks Jon) which wasn't quite what I was looking for (but useful in = other contexts nevertheless). Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to chime in = and acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop play = to its end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible with = the current OS. Does the EDP in contrast support such a command? I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would = announce they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... = such as being able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... Best, Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nic Roozeboom=20 To: Reflector Loopers-Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Repeater - "conditional stop" (Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a good = search argument to hit the archives with.) One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" = button (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the = DL4 run a few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the = last desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to = the end of the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant. As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper in = advance, since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually have = lots of other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical requirement. Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as accessible = and intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 = it loops stereo/multichannel. The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my = understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop". There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple = footpedal, would need to use hands to press buttons & turn knobs, or = would require a midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next loop, = wait for CFC, hit play" or some such. Not to mention that the next empty = loop might be several loops in the list removed from the current. I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal = implementation might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that = would result in the loop stopping at the end, and with the original loop = loaded in memory. Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the list = who have scratched their head over this same simple problem with = positive outcome? Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance! Best, Nic ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01C35453.8F282F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From the O.S 1.1 update manual:=20

1.3.41 Auto record into new loop at loop end. First press of = record=20 during loop playback engages auto record, a second record press manually = overrides and immediately engages record and the new = loop.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nic=20 Roozeboom
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 = 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

Hi,
 
Wanted to give this one just one more shot. Did get = one suggestion=20 (thanks Jon) which wasn't quite what I was looking for (but = useful in=20 other contexts nevertheless).
 
Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to = chime in=20 and acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop = play to its=20 end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible with = the=20 current OS.
 
Does the EDP in contrast support such a command?
 
I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would = announce they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... = such as=20 being able to configure one track as a MIDI looper...
 
Best,
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Nic Roozeboom
To: Reflector=20 Loopers-Delight
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, = 2003 8:23=20 PM
Subject: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

(Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a = good=20 search argument to hit the archives with.)
 
One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play = Once"=20 button (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have = the DL4=20 run a few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the = last=20 desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to = the end of=20 the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant.
 
As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper = in=20 advance, since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually = have lots=20 of other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical = requirement.
 
Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as = accessible and=20 intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 = it=20 loops stereo/multichannel.
 
The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my = understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop".
 
There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple=20 footpedal, would need to use hands to press buttons & turn = knobs, or=20 would require a midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next = loop, wait=20 for CFC, hit play" or some such. Not to mention that the next empty = loop=20 might be several loops in the list removed from the current.
 
I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal=20 implementation might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that = would=20 result in the loop stopping at the end, and with the original loop = loaded in=20 memory.
 
Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the = list who=20 have scratched their head over this same simple problem with = positive=20 outcome? Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance!
 
Best,
Nic
------=_NextPart_000_012C_01C35453.8F282F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 11:02:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RF1k820148; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:01:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:01:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.169.103] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <200307270510.h6R5AsC03814@hemlock.violacea.com> <3F23B9E1.C0071FAC@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:01:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C35415.4A68BB90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:01:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2003 15:01:40.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC10B9D0:01C3544F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C35415.4A68BB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe the looper community as well as the techno-raver-dj community = would be all over such a thing, if it existed. Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mountain Man=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:39 AM Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Well, yeah, but I'd be willing to pay at least $50 for such a feature. That would keep some starving music gear-hacker off the street long enough to do this "quick and easy" mod, wouldn't it??? Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. It seems = a much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception that = there's no market for it? Or is there something out there of which I'm not aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!) Thanks, Elby > At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > >I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would > announce > >they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... such = as > being > >able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... > > yes, it's amazing. It can't be that hard. Maybe you could take it = on? > After > all, the Repeater is only a fully custom piece of hardware with its > own > unique system architecture, and code running straight on the silicon > probably without any commercial OS in between. But that just means > you > gotta know how the hardware works to write the code and there's no = OS > there > to do anything for you. Of course, no documentation is publicly > available > on the hardware architecture or the programmable logic parts. But > heck, > with a little patience, a multimeter, logic analyzer, scope, and a > year or > two of spare time you could probably figure out most of it. Then I > guess > you would have to decompile the machine code from the roms into > undocumented assembler or maybe even C code. I don't know how well > decompilers work, but probably the result will be messy and = difficult > for > humans to understand. Hey, but no matter, if you had all the time to > figure > out the hardware, you've got time to unravel the code too! I bet it > would > be fun. Once you've got that figured out, then you can go about = adding > your > own features. Careful now! this ain't wimpy windows programming. > Real-time > embedded coding without a net! Everything you do has the potential = to > throw > something else off, so you need to keep an eye on every clock cycle > and all > the possible states you could be in. Judging by the kind of bugs = they > had, > there probably aren't many cycles left to play with, but there must = be > a > few here and there. The Electrix guys only went a year over schedule > and > still had bugs trying to do this, so it can't be that hard really. = Oh, > by > the way, did you catch the time when Electrix mentioned they were = out > of > code space? Ah well, there are probably a few features in there you > don't > use anyway, so rip 'em out! Assuming you can actually figure out = which > part > of the code they're in... > > Sounds like a great project! > > kim > ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C35415.4A68BB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe the looper community as well as the techno-raver-dj = community=20 would be all over such a thing, if it existed.
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Mountain Man
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 = 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

Well, yeah, but I'd be willing to pay at least $50 for = such a=20 feature.
That would keep some starving music gear-hacker off the = street=20 long
enough to do this "quick and easy" mod, wouldn't it??? =20 <g>

Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed = that no-one=20 has
created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for = Midi.  It=20 seems a
much easier task than looping audio.  Is there a = perception=20 that there's
no market for it?  Or is there something out = there of=20 which I'm not
aware?  (please, please, please say "yes"=20 !!!!)

Thanks,
Elby


> At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, = Nic=20 Roozeboom wrote:
> >I imagined it would be only a matter of = time=20 before someone would
> announce
> >they had hacked = OS1.1, and=20 made all sorts of improvements... such as
> being
> = >able to=20 configure one track as a MIDI looper...
>
> yes, it's = amazing. It=20 can't be that hard. Maybe you could take it on?
> After
> = all, the=20 Repeater is only a fully custom piece of hardware with its
> = own
>=20 unique system architecture, and code running straight on the = silicon
>=20 probably without any commercial OS in between. But that just = means
>=20 you
> gotta know how the hardware works to write the code and = there's no=20 OS
> there
> to do anything for you. Of course, no = documentation=20 is publicly
> available
> on the hardware architecture or = the=20 programmable logic parts. But
> heck,
> with a little = patience, a=20 multimeter, logic analyzer, scope, and a
> year or
> two = of spare=20 time you could probably figure out most of it. Then I
> = guess
>=20 you would have to decompile the machine code from the roms = into
>=20 undocumented assembler or maybe even C code. I don't know how = well
>=20 decompilers work, but probably the result will be messy and = difficult
>=20 for
> humans to understand. Hey, but no matter, if you had all = the time=20 to
> figure
> out the hardware, you've got time to unravel = the=20 code too! I bet it
> would
> be fun. Once you've got that = figured=20 out, then you can go about adding
> your
> own features. = Careful=20 now! this ain't wimpy windows programming.
> Real-time
> = embedded=20 coding without a net! Everything you do has the potential to
>=20 throw
> something else off, so you need to keep an eye on every = clock=20 cycle
> and all
> the possible states you could be in. = Judging by=20 the kind of bugs they
> had,
> there probably aren't many = cycles=20 left to play with, but there must be
> a
> few here and = there. The=20 Electrix guys only went a year over schedule
> and
> still = had=20 bugs trying to do this, so it can't be that hard really. Oh,
>=20 by
> the way, did you catch the time when Electrix mentioned = they were=20 out
> of
> code space? Ah well, there are probably a few = features=20 in there you
> don't
> use anyway, so rip 'em out! = Assuming you=20 can actually figure out which
> part
> of the code they're = in...
>
> Sounds like a great project!
>
>=20 kim
>


------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C35415.4A68BB90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 11:40:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RFd4Y23893; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:39:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:39:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.169.103] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <012f01c3544b$2e77f640$3607c151@nuno> Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:38:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3541A.7F2415A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:38:47 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2003 15:38:57.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[31710670:01C35455] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3541A.7F2415A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nuno, This is a neat feature which has come in handy too, but is not the = functionality I'm looking for. Related though is the queueing of a new = loop, which sort of does the stop at the end of your loop. If you're = playing a loop, and you want it to stop at the end, you can queue a loop = location that's empty, and press play. At the end of your current loop, = Rptr will perform its default action of playing an empty loop, which is = to halt. A MIDI pedal implementation would be better than a front-panel = button-pressing sequence, but I believe you still couldn't program a = fully contained operation that just does "stop at end of loop", because = there's no way for the Repeater (in current OS) to go from the dummy = loop back to the one from which you came because it has no memory of it. = You'd always end up at empty loop #N. One handicap also is that it offers no special shortcut to go directly = to a new empty loop from anywhere within your current list of loops = (neither MIDI instruction set nor front panel - cranking the loop = selector knob as far as possible to the right in one rapid motion is the = best I could think of). Unless I'm overlooking this in the manual. You = could however decide to designate a specific loop number or region of = numbers in CFC for the purpose of empty loops only. Thanks, Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nuno Climaco Pinto=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:27 AM Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" From the O.S 1.1 update manual:=20 1.3.41 Auto record into new loop at loop end. First press of record = during loop playback engages auto record, a second record press manually = overrides and immediately engages record and the new loop. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nic Roozeboom=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" Hi, Wanted to give this one just one more shot. Did get one suggestion = (thanks Jon) which wasn't quite what I was looking for (but useful in = other contexts nevertheless). Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to chime = in and acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop = play to its end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible = with the current OS. Does the EDP in contrast support such a command? I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would = announce they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... = such as being able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... Best, Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nic Roozeboom=20 To: Reflector Loopers-Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Repeater - "conditional stop" (Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a good = search argument to hit the archives with.) One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play Once" = button (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have the = DL4 run a few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of the = last desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to = the end of the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant. As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the looper in = advance, since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually have = lots of other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical requirement. Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as accessible = and intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike the DL4 = it loops stereo/multichannel. The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to my = understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop". There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple = footpedal, would need to use hands to press buttons & turn knobs, or = would require a midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next loop, = wait for CFC, hit play" or some such. Not to mention that the next empty = loop might be several loops in the list removed from the current. I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal = implementation might help me. I can't think of a good sequence that = would result in the loop stopping at the end, and with the original loop = loaded in memory. Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on the = list who have scratched their head over this same simple problem with = positive outcome? Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance! Best, Nic ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3541A.7F2415A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nuno,
 
This is a neat feature which has come in handy too, but is not the=20 functionality I'm looking for. Related though is the queueing of a new = loop,=20 which sort of does the stop at the end of your loop. If you're playing a = loop,=20 and you want it to stop at the end, you can queue a loop location that's = empty,=20 and press play. At the end of your current loop, Rptr will perform its = default=20 action of playing an empty loop, which is to halt.
 
A MIDI pedal implementation would be better than a front-panel=20 button-pressing sequence, but I believe you still couldn't program a = fully=20 contained operation that just does "stop at end of loop", because = there's no way=20 for the Repeater (in current OS) to go from the dummy loop back to the = one from=20 which you came because it has no memory of it. You'd always end up at = empty loop=20 #N.
 
One handicap also is that it offers no special shortcut to go = directly to a=20 new empty loop from anywhere within your current list of loops (neither = MIDI=20 instruction set nor front panel  - cranking the loop selector knob = as far=20 as possible to the right in one rapid motion is the best I could = think of).=20 Unless I'm overlooking this in the manual. You could however decide to = designate=20 a specific loop number or region of numbers in CFC for the purpose = of empty=20 loops only.
 
Thanks,
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Nuno Climaco Pinto =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 = 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

From the O.S 1.1 update manual:=20

1.3.41 Auto record into new loop at loop end. First press of = record=20 during loop playback engages auto record, a second record press = manually=20 overrides and immediately engages record and the new = loop.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nic Roozeboom
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 = 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

Hi,
 
Wanted to give this one just one more shot. Did get = one suggestion=20 (thanks Jon) which wasn't quite what I was looking for (but = useful in=20 other contexts nevertheless).
 
Sort of expected perhaps one or a few other Repeater users to = chime in=20 and acknowledge that this functionality (tell Rptr to let the loop = play to=20 its end, then stop) is at least desirable, albeit not possible = with the=20 current OS.
 
Does the EDP in contrast support such a command?
 
I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone = would=20 announce they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of = improvements... such=20 as being able to configure one track as a MIDI looper...
 
Best,
Nic
----- Original Message ----- =
From: Nic Roozeboom
To: Reflector=20 Loopers-Delight
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, = 2003 8:23=20 PM
Subject: Repeater - = "conditional=20 stop"

(Sorry if this has been discussed before, couldn't think of a = good=20 search argument to hit the archives with.)
 
One thing I like (and use) a lot about the DL4 is the "Play = Once"=20 button (third from left), particularly in song settings. I'd have = the DL4=20 run a few repetitions of a section, and right after the start of = the last=20 desired repetition, I tap Play Once to tell it to play exactly to = the end=20 of the loop, then stop. Very seamless and elegant.
 
As a guitarist, I love this as it allows me to prep the = looper in=20 advance, since at the very transition I'm anticipating, I usually = have=20 lots of other pedals to hit, often with a time-critical = requirement.
 
Alas, no such thing with the Repeater (at least, not as = accessible=20 and intuitive) - which I would prefer on occasion because unlike = the DL4=20 it loops stereo/multichannel.
 
The only way Repeater is able to respond in this fashion, to = my=20 understanding, is by "queueing an empty loop".
 
There are several drawbacks to this - not possible via simple = footpedal, would need to use hands to press buttons & turn = knobs, or=20 would require a midi pedal programmed with the macro "queue next = loop,=20 wait for CFC, hit play" or some such. Not to mention that the next = empty=20 loop might be several loops in the list removed from the = current.
 
I've checked Repeater's command set to see if a MIDI pedal=20 implementation might help me. I can't think of a good sequence = that would=20 result in the loop stopping at the end, and with the original loop = loaded=20 in memory.
 
Are there perhaps more sophisticated Repeater operators on = the list=20 who have scratched their head over this same simple problem with = positive=20 outcome? Would love to learn. Much appreciated in advance!
 
Best,
=
Nic
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3541A.7F2415A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 11:45:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RFj7Y24600; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:45:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:45:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10ae01c35383$f8627890$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: Subject: Ain't that just the way... Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:40:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I caused a big fuss here on the list trying to get my looper rig going. I've resolved all the issues that I needed to resolve in terms of MIDI control, etc. and right about the time I'm ready to dial in the setup and getting ready for live gig "production" I start a job down in the teeth of downtown Atlanta commuting 1.5 hours each way! I've been struggling to adjust so I can get into the swing of working with my music rig in the evenings, but once I get home, kiss the wife, hug the baby, kick the dog and eat dinner, I just don't have the inspiration left in me. Hopefully once I get this rig going I can be a *contributor* to this list. Right now I don't feel qualified to give too much advice in this area. BTW, Mark, I almost bit on your last bait about the enduring grouch flame of last week, but I just didn't have it in me :) I guess I'm out of the running for the award :) Paul Sanders Email: paul_sanders@adelphia.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 12:41:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RGdeT29563; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:39:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:39:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:39:38 -0700 Subject: MIDI EDP/Repeater (wasRe: Repeater - "conditional stop") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F23B9E1.C0071FAC@cloud9.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been told that this would be something pretty easy to configure in MAX. Not sure if there's a PC version yet, but I bet there is an equivalent. Maybe not, because I keep hearing this request and never do I hear of someone doing this. It's something that's been in the back of my mind, but frankly it's not that important. I can get most of the MIDI looping functionality out of my E-MU XL-7 that I need. I've heard others say the Roland MC-505 makes a good live MIDI looper with it's dedicated UNDO button. No easy UNDO function on the XL-7, but it does have an ERASE button that lets you hold it down along with the bad note or track and make it go away. I've also been told that the best off the shelf live MIDI sequencer software is MOTU's Digital Performer. To be honest I have not explored it for it's options. What the main downfall from making any of these things EDP like? One word: Feedback. 100% feedback no matter what. Seems like a function that could be easily implemented in the MIDI realm. My guess is that manufactures don't even know people want it, or not enough of us do want it. Maybe it's a job for a small developer. I used to be friends with Jeremy Sagan, the man who wrote Metro, an amazing Mac based MIDI (and now audio) sequencer. He was really open to stuff like this and came up with "Rhythm Explorer" soon after I showed him a photoshop plug in called "Texture Explorer" that's a part of the Kai family of Photoshop plug-ins. Unfortunately, I've lost contact with him. Though I found out he now distributes the software himself. If enough of his users requested a function like this I'm sure he'd be up for it. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 04:39 AM, Mountain Man wrote: > Well, yeah, but I'd be willing to pay at least $50 for such a feature. > That would keep some starving music gear-hacker off the street long > enough to do this "quick and easy" mod, wouldn't it??? > > Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has > created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. It seems > a > much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception that > there's > no market for it? Or is there something out there of which I'm not > aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!) > > Thanks, > Elby > > >> At 01:20 PM 7/26/2003, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >>> I imagined it would be only a matter of time before someone would >> announce >>> they had hacked OS1.1, and made all sorts of improvements... such as >> being >>> able to configure one track as a MIDI looper... >> >> yes, it's amazing. It can't be that hard. Maybe you could take it on? >> After >> all, the Repeater is only a fully custom piece of hardware with its >> own >> unique system architecture, and code running straight on the silicon >> probably without any commercial OS in between. But that just means >> you >> gotta know how the hardware works to write the code and there's no OS >> there >> to do anything for you. Of course, no documentation is publicly >> available >> on the hardware architecture or the programmable logic parts. But >> heck, >> with a little patience, a multimeter, logic analyzer, scope, and a >> year or >> two of spare time you could probably figure out most of it. Then I >> guess >> you would have to decompile the machine code from the roms into >> undocumented assembler or maybe even C code. I don't know how well >> decompilers work, but probably the result will be messy and difficult >> for >> humans to understand. Hey, but no matter, if you had all the time to >> figure >> out the hardware, you've got time to unravel the code too! I bet it >> would >> be fun. Once you've got that figured out, then you can go about adding >> your >> own features. Careful now! this ain't wimpy windows programming. >> Real-time >> embedded coding without a net! Everything you do has the potential to >> throw >> something else off, so you need to keep an eye on every clock cycle >> and all >> the possible states you could be in. Judging by the kind of bugs they >> had, >> there probably aren't many cycles left to play with, but there must be >> a >> few here and there. The Electrix guys only went a year over schedule >> and >> still had bugs trying to do this, so it can't be that hard really. Oh, >> by >> the way, did you catch the time when Electrix mentioned they were out >> of >> code space? Ah well, there are probably a few features in there you >> don't >> use anyway, so rip 'em out! Assuming you can actually figure out which >> part >> of the code they're in... >> >> Sounds like a great project! >> >> kim >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 12:59:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RGx4t31755; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:59:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:59:04 -0700 Subject: MIDI loopers From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I worry on occasion about what I'd want in a MIDI looper. I've almost certainly posted a list before. It's an interesting issue that a lot of MIDI gear is going to people working in studios with sequencers and/or computers that can handle the task thereby reducing the need for a portable, live rig. On the other hand, if you are in the studio staring at a computer anyway, virtual instruments are looking better every day. Hence, maybe the hardware manufacturers will start seeing their real opportunity lying with live performance features. I used to think the EDP was a good model for MIDI looping, but I don't think so any more. I think what would be more useful would be some form of live phrase creation/looping/mutation. For example: * Hit record and it goes into auto-record-pause while it waits for you to play. Play something and hit record again to signal that it's time to repeat. * Save phrases to buttons for easy recall with a variety of synchronization options on playback. * Allow playing multiple phrases simultaneously. * Mutate phrases through transposition, controller changes, etc. This should support both temporary changes and permanent changes. Some form of multiply/overdub/erase would be useful for building up complicated parts (e.g., drum loop programming), but a lot of that could be handled via multiple simultaneous phrases. The key thing for me is being able to play the music as I feel it as opposed to pre-programming tempo and measure length as most drum sequencers make one do. Wrap this together with a keyboard and easy configuration for talking to multiple synths and it would make a really nice live controller. Figure out how to build in a step sequencer and it would be a really great controller for certain types of music. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 13:31:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RHUU602464; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:30:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:30:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c3539b$c058b0a0$9f00a8c0@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <20030727112325.90850.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:28:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool. It looks like I'll be saving my pennies for a Boomerang. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang > > --- Brian Carabee wrote: > >I've heard > > some people complain that the loops tend to > > attenuate quickly with the 'rang > > as they're built up, but others say this is not > > really a problem. > > The feedback is adjustable. (Not on the fly, > though...) > > -t- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 13:32:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RHVRK02638; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:31:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c3539b$e2a5aa50$9f00a8c0@ws1> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <140.1638892a.2c552b9b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:32:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3537A.596D59C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2RUXq.A.Fp.vxAJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3537A.596D59C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, Yes, I plan to use the rang as a looper. I'm glad to hear that = attenuation is adjustable. I'm sure the rang would fit the bill for a = looping beginner like me. Thanks, Brian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Question about the Boomerang In a message dated 7/27/03 4:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = compguy@bestweb.net writes: I've heard some people complain that the loops tend to attenuate quickly with = the 'rang brian.....you can control this from: no attenuation (nothing goes = away), all the way down to a "slap-back" delay, with several settings in = between.....the rang works as a looper as well as a very varied = delay.....i think there are a lot of folks that don't really investigate = the rang deeply enuf, it's not "deep'' but it does quite a bit = imho.....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3537A.596D59C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Michael,
 
Yes, I plan to use the rang as a = looper. I'm glad=20 to hear that attenuation is adjustable. I'm sure the rang would fit the = bill for=20 a looping beginner like me.
 
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----- Original Message -----
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In a = message dated=20 7/27/03 4:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, compguy@bestweb.net = writes:


I've heard
some people complain that the loops tend = to=20 attenuate quickly with the = 'rang


brian.....you can=20 control this from: no attenuation (nothing goes away), all the way = down to a=20 "slap-back" delay, with several settings in between.....the rang works = as a=20 looper as well as a very varied delay.....i think there are a lot of = folks=20 that don't really investigate the rang deeply enuf, it's not "deep'' = but it=20 does quite a bit imho.....michael = ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3537A.596D59C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 13:34:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RHXjC03041; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:33:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:33:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F240CF7.216459CB@voicenet.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:33:43 -0400 From: Charles Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: midi looper References: <200307271659.h6RGxqC32079@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has > created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. software, for Mac, fun, easy to use, been around for years, will run fine on almost any old mac: www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Megalomania/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 13:56:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RHtZc04996; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:55:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F2414FD.CF7A57C@erols.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:07:58 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kenna References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis wrote: > There was, I believe, an Akai rackmount box that would act as a "MIDI" > delay with hold. > > Personally I suspect there's not much market for it. Whenever I've > described what some might call "Live Looping" to a keyboardist, they > get a puzzled look and say something like "Couldn't you just do the > same thing in a sequencer program with cut and paste?" The > live/real-time part doesn't tickle their fancy the way it does with > guitarists. Big generalisations, I know, but that's my perception. > > Another sweeping statement: I'm always slightly surprised (pleasantly) > when I see keyboards on stage with a local band, but I can count the > number of guitar-less bands I've seen in the last decade on one hand > (and for anyone looking to flame me on this, know that I play guitar > and keyboards in my band). Many synths are being bought, but I wonder > if they're seeing most of their use in studio-type situations where > they're always connected to a full-featured recording/sequencing > program, which diminishes a lot of the "need" for and EDP-type device. > > Also, you'd have the MIDI-unique problems of voice stealing (once your > loops got dense), plus figuring out what happens when you change > patches on your synth. If you want the loop to retain the timbre > present when you recorded it, things get pretty complicated. > > TravisH > > On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 07:06 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > > Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has > > created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. It seems > > a > > much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception that > > there's > > no market for it? Or is there something out there of which I'm not > > aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!) I'm primarily a guitarist as well, however I'm into a lot of guitar-less music. Last week on Carson Daly's late night show, Kenna performed. The band consisted of Kenna on vocals, a drummer, and two keyboardists and it was awesome. Lots of great keyboard sounds and vocal harmonies and the band rocked, I went and bought his album "New Sacred Cow" the next day and it's a fantastic listen. Chad from the Neptunes produced it. John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 14:14:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RIDIL06620; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F2416A0.2B02E7E5@cloud9.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:14:57 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Midi looper References: <200307271659.h6RGxqO32080@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.20.0.1; VDF: 6.20.0.48; host: camomile.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: <8SpzeC.A.TnB.-YBJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The looper community is small enough that I can understand manufacturers not leaping on this opportunity. The techno-raver-dj community that you mention is another matter, however. If, in fact, that bunch would "be all over" a midi looper, why hasn't one of the big hardware manufacturers come out with such a device ???? Elby > > I believe > the looper community as well as the techno-raver-dj community would be > all over such a thing, if it existed.Nic > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mountain Man > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:39 AM > Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" > Well, yeah, but I'd be willing to pay at least $50 for such > a feature. > That would keep some starving music gear-hacker off the > street long > enough to do this "quick and easy" mod, wouldn't it??? > > Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that > no-one has > created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for > Midi. It seems a > much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception > that there's > no market for it? Or is there something out there of which > I'm not > aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!) > > Thanks, > Elby > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 14:27:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RIQrj07715; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F2419CF.2FD13813@cloud9.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:28:31 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More midi loopers References: <200307271659.h6RGxqO32080@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.20.0.1; VDF: 6.20.0.48; host: camomile.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, Every time the subject of midi loopers comes up, someone mentions the MC-505. The 505 is NOT a midi looper, at least not the sort that the EDP or Repeater is. One of the members of this list (who will go unnamed) waxed so rhapsodic about the 505 for live looping that I bought one; it sits unused. The things that makes loopers work for me, is the ability to hit record, play a phrase or a whole song, hit stop, and thereby define the loop length and tempo. The Repeater even has the great feature of letting you dial in the tempo settings *after* you record the loop. The 505 requires that you set a loop length and tempo before recording, and then forces you to play to the metronome. For my money, this is not looping. What I really want is a stand-alone midi recorder (NOT PC-based!!!!) that lets me punch in/out, tweak tempo settings, pitch, etc (all the basic Repeater functions), and has a 4 (or better yet, 8) track mixing console (this *is* one feature of the 505 that shines). The ideal box would have user-controllable decay (probably implemented as changes to note velocity) on overdub. I sure would love to have one of these !!! Elby > I've been told that this would be something pretty easy to configure > in > MAX. Not sure if there's a PC version yet, but I bet there is an > equivalent. > > Maybe not, because I keep hearing this request and never do I hear of > someone doing this. It's something that's been in the back of my > mind, > but frankly it's not that important. I can get most of the MIDI > looping functionality out of my E-MU XL-7 that I need. I've heard > others say the Roland MC-505 makes a good live MIDI looper with it's > dedicated UNDO button. No easy UNDO function on the XL-7, but it > does > have an ERASE button that lets you hold it down along with the bad > note > or track and make it go away. > > I've also been told that the best off the shelf live MIDI sequencer > software is MOTU's Digital Performer. To be honest I have not > explored > it for it's options. > > What the main downfall from making any of these things EDP like? One > word: Feedback. 100% feedback no matter what. Seems like a function > that could be easily implemented in the MIDI realm. My guess is that > manufactures don't even know people want it, or not enough of us do > want it. Maybe it's a job for a small developer. I used to be > friends > with Jeremy Sagan, the man who wrote Metro, an amazing Mac based MIDI > (and now audio) sequencer. He was really open to stuff like this and > came up with "Rhythm Explorer" soon after I showed him a photoshop > plug > in called "Texture Explorer" that's a part of the Kai family of > Photoshop plug-ins. Unfortunately, I've lost contact with him. > Though > I found out he now distributes the software himself. If enough of > his > users requested a function like this I'm sure he'd be up for it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 14:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RIuZF10893; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:56:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:56:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.31.163.117] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: References: <200307271659.h6RGxqO32080@hemlock.violacea.com> <3F2416A0.2B02E7E5@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: Midi looper Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:54:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C35435.D2D61070" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:54:24 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2003 18:54:32.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[842AE5A0:01C35470] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C35435.D2D61070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I said "would be all over", what I think I meant was "could be made = to warm up to...." It's usually pretty easy to explain how something did come into = existence, but hard to offer anything but speculation as to why = something doesn't exist. Perhaps it's the familiarity and predisposition = with sequencing/programming in that arena. It would just seem to me that = the intuitive approach and spontaneity that looping (as opposed to = sequencing) affords, could do well in said techno culture. Plus you were being sarcastic about big companies being in touch with = anything, right? Cheers, Nic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mountain Man=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Midi looper The looper community is small enough that I can understand = manufacturers not leaping on this opportunity. The techno-raver-dj community that = you mention is another matter, however. If, in fact, that bunch would "be all over" a midi looper, why hasn't one of the big hardware manufacturers come out with such a device ???? Elby > > I = believe > the looper community as well as the techno-raver-dj community would = be > all over such a thing, if it existed.Nic > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mountain Man > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:39 AM > Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" > Well, yeah, but I'd be willing to pay at least $50 for such > a feature. > That would keep some starving music gear-hacker off the > street long > enough to do this "quick and easy" mod, wouldn't it??? > > Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that > no-one has > created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for > Midi. It seems a > much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception > that there's > no market for it? Or is there something out there of which > I'm not > aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!) > > Thanks, > Elby > ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C35435.D2D61070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I said "would be all over", what I think I meant was "could be = made to=20 warm up to...."
 
It's usually pretty easy to explain how something did come into = existence,=20 but hard to offer anything but speculation as to why something doesn't = exist.=20 Perhaps it's the familiarity and predisposition with = sequencing/programming in=20 that arena. It would just seem to me that the intuitive approach and = spontaneity=20 that looping (as opposed to sequencing) affords, could do well in said = techno=20 culture.
 
Plus you were being sarcastic about big companies being in touch = with=20 anything, right?
 
Cheers,
Nic
----- Original Message -----
From: Mountain Man
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 = 11:14=20 AM
Subject: Midi looper

The looper community is small enough that I can = understand=20 manufacturers
not leaping on this opportunity.  The = techno-raver-dj=20 community that you
mention is another matter, however.  If, in = fact,=20 that bunch would "be
all over" a midi looper, why hasn't one of the = big=20 hardware
manufacturers come out with such a device=20 ????

Elby


>
> <?xml:namespace = prefix=3D"v"=20 /><?xml:namespace prefix=3D"o" />I believe
> the looper = community=20 as well as the techno-raver-dj community would be
> all over = such a=20 thing, if it existed.Nic
>
>      = -----=20 Original Message -----
>      From: = Mountain=20 Man
>      To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>     =20 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:39 = AM
>     =20 Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional=20 stop"
>       Well, yeah, but I'd = be=20 willing to pay at least $50 for = such
>      a=20 feature.
>      That would keep some = starving=20 music gear-hacker off the
>      street = long
>      enough to do this "quick = and easy"=20 mod, wouldn't it??? =20 <g>
>
>      Speaking of = midi=20 loopers, I continue to be amazed = that
>     =20 no-one has
>      created a box that = does=20 EDP/Repeater-style looping for
>     =20 Midi.  It seems a
>      much = easier task=20 than looping audio.  Is there a=20 perception
>      that=20 there's
>      no market for it?  = Or is=20 there something out there of = which
>      I'm=20 not
>      aware?  (please, = please, please=20 say "yes" !!!!)
>
>     =20 Thanks,
>     =20 Elby
>

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C35435.D2D61070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 15:19:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RJIM713423; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:18:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:18:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030727121854.035e39e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:19:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP signal input In-Reply-To: <005301c353c5$545623e0$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030726141148.020f3270@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:29 PM 7/26/2003, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >Is the audio path AC or DC coupled? In particular, will the EDP >record/playback a suitably scaled CV for instance. (Twisted thought, I >know.) it is ac coupled. you can't loop a dc voltage. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 15:19:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RJJMC13570; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:19:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:19:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:19:16 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater - "conditional stop" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.2e62dd83.2c557fb4_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f7.2e62dd83.2c557fb4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/27/03 7:22:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > There was, I believe, an Akai rackmount box that would act as a "MIDI" > delay with hold. > > That Akai box is a total yawn, imo. Only one second of slapback delay (no repeat or feedback of any kind), no hold. No use! Does anyone know of a device that encoded midi into an audio tone so it could be recorded to an audio cassette (or other recorder) and then decoded back to midi, making the cassette machine a crude sequencer? It seems I dimly remember such a (cheap!) device flashing by for a millisecond. If something like that was available, it might be possible to do "something" with a bunch of them and a bunch of digital delays (you couldn't use any audio feedback on the delays, though) and midi mergers. Such a thing would be basic and crude, no frills, but one might get the most basic live midi looping (tm) function going. Best, Tim F --part1_f7.2e62dd83.2c557fb4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/27/03 7:22:49 AM Pacific Daylight= Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:

There was, I believe, an Akai r= ackmount box that would act as a "MIDI"
delay with hold.



That Akai box is a total yawn, imo. Only one second of slapback delay (no re= peat or feedback of any kind), no hold. No use!

Does anyone know of a device that encoded midi into an audio tone so it coul= d be recorded to an audio cassette (or other recorder) and then decoded back= to midi, making the cassette machine a crude sequencer? It seems I dimly re= member such a (cheap!) device flashing by for a millisecond. If something li= ke that was available, it might be possible to do "something" with a bunch o= f them and a bunch of digital delays (you couldn't use any audio feedback on= the delays, though) and midi mergers. Such a thing would be basic and crude= , no frills, but one might get the most basic live midi looping (tm) functio= n going.

Best,

Tim F --part1_f7.2e62dd83.2c557fb4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 15:21:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RJKqG13793; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c3547d$aec99ec0$74c6ff0c@attbi.com> From: "Jesse Ray Lucas" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030726141148.020f3270@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030727121854.035e39e8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP signal input Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:28:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a really cool idea though... ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Re: EDP signal input > At 03:29 PM 7/26/2003, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > >Is the audio path AC or DC coupled? In particular, will the EDP > >record/playback a suitably scaled CV for instance. (Twisted thought, I > >know.) > > it is ac coupled. you can't loop a dc voltage. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 16:17:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RKFgZ19429; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:15:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d901c3547b$858b10e0$39605cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <200307271659.h6RGxqC32079@hemlock.violacea.com> <3F240CF7.216459CB@voicenet.com> Subject: Re: midi looper Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:13:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Cohen" > > Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has > > created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. > software, for Mac, fun, easy to use, been around for years, will run fine on almost any > old mac: www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Megalomania/ Hi Charles, Are you the Charles Cohen I saw play at the Gathering and at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha? I visited the URL you posted. It said: "Megalomania is not a MIDI sequencer, patch editor, or patch librarian. It is not like any other Macintosh application. It's closest relative is MAX. Where MAX is a programming tool, Megalomania is a cuisinart for MIDI data." There is also keykit by Tim Thompson for those looking along these lines. Definitely PC with only a little Mac support, too. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 17:06:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RL5kg23896; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:05:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c35482$c907d040$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01d901c3547b$858b10e0$39605cd1@billfox> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haven't had time to check this out yet, but looks relevant and powerful, for OSX only: http://www.five12.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billfox@fast.net] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi looper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Cohen" > > Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has > > created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. > software, for Mac, fun, easy to use, been around for years, will run fine on almost any > old mac: www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Megalomania/ Hi Charles, Are you the Charles Cohen I saw play at the Gathering and at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha? I visited the URL you posted. It said: "Megalomania is not a MIDI sequencer, patch editor, or patch librarian. It is not like any other Macintosh application. It's closest relative is MAX. Where MAX is a programming tool, Megalomania is a cuisinart for MIDI data." There is also keykit by Tim Thompson for those looking along these lines. Definitely PC with only a little Mac support, too. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 17:14:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RLDid24733; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:13:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:13:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: EDP signal input and MIDI looping Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c35484$1e8a4420$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <003b01c3547d$aec99ec0$74c6ff0c@attbi.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm posting these together since they're related. Cheap (not really) MIDI Looper: In theory, you could convert particular MIDI messages (say a Note-On/-Off) into particular tones (like FSK, frequency shift keying), then loop the output tones in a "conventional" looper like the EDP, Repeater, Boomerang, or whatever. You would need a decoder at the output, too, or course. Decoding will take some time ("latency") since frequency recognition cannot be instaneous. Even better would be to loop a DC voltage level (which encodes the MIDI message), but then you would need a DC-coupled looper. One of my examples in the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma is such a MIDI looper. Kyma loopers are "DC-coupled" (since they are in software) so I don't need to do the FSK thing. I should be able to build a FSK MIDI encoder/decoder using Kyma, so you could loop MIDI with an Kyma/EDP combo. I assume you can build something similar with MAX/MSP. But that seems rather silly (except for prototyping) since it's easier to loop MIDI directly with Kyma or MAX. A primary difference between MIDI looping and audio looping is that a MIDI controlled tone (a "note") is typically described by two events seperated in time (Note-On and Note-Off). You probably want to link the two events (manipulating them together) so that you won't have "stuck" notes and such as you overdub, insert, decay/fade, chop, dice, and puree the loop. The technique I've described above does not link the Note-On and Note-Off events, so I wouldn't count it as a "real" MIDI looper, though it *does* work remarkably well. And very intriguing thoughts, Mark, on features for a MIDI looper! Please post more thoughts! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] Does anyone know of a device that encoded midi into an audio tone so it could be recorded to an audio cassette (or other recorder) and then decoded back to midi, making the cassette machine a crude sequencer? It seems I dimly remember such a (cheap!) device flashing by for a millisecond. If something like that was available, it might be possible to do "something" with a bunch of them and a bunch of digital delays (you couldn't use any audio feedback on the delays, though) and midi mergers. Such a thing would be basic and crude, no frills, but one might get the most basic live midi looping (tm) function going. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] That's a really cool idea though... > At 03:29 PM 7/26/2003, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > >Is the audio path AC or DC coupled? In particular, will the EDP > >record/playback a suitably scaled CV for instance. (Twisted thought, I > >know.) > > it is ac coupled. you can't loop a dc voltage. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 18:06:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RM65h30011; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:06:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c3548b$be9307c0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: nyc:open loop report Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:09:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I stopped in at Chama yesterday to drop off fliers for my show there on 8/7 and ended up hanging out for the evening well beyond the ending of the weekly loop fest, aka open loop. There were some amazing textures drifting past, I really enjoyed myself. Everyone plugged into the board and MC Tom Ritchford mixed the results. Nobody ever reports to this list about open loop. It's been happening weekly for a year and a half, but I never hear anything about it from Looper's Delight except for MC TR's occasional anoucements. It's interesting to note that since Tom (and Chama owner stv jns, who I don't think is even on this list, but he always plays) is there pretty much every week, they may well be the hardest working loopers in show business. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 18:14:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RMDQ330898; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:13:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Fsksync@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.1db8b9bd.2c55a87b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:13:15 EDT Subject: live midi looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18e.1db8b9bd.2c55a87b_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Resent-Message-ID: <8nPosC.A.qiH.G6EJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_18e.1db8b9bd.2c55a87b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought I saw (back in the late 80's probably) a product that was a really= =20 inexpensive midi/audio codec. I'd love to explore the limits of what could b= e=20 done with something crude like that- I'm sure it would suggest some new=20 tangents. If I could afford a Kyma, I'd be too distracted to imagine midi lo= opers, I=20 think=A0 8-)=A0 at least for a year or so. (send donations to my paypal acco= unt) Even if one got something like this going, without some kind of intelligent=20 algorythm to reduce velocity values and then delete notes when they fall bel= ow=20 a certain velocity or volume value the system would overload and do=20 "something" eventually (that would be interesting). If one were to record and delay dc control voltages (I know of at least two=20 examples of functioning units based on this principle for driving analog syn= ths=20 back in pre-midi days) wouldn't that necessarily exclude polyphonic midi, or= =20 am I missing something. If one had to multiplex voltages to get polyphony, I= =20 don't know how that would compare to converting midi to audio in complexity. Best, Tim F=20 In a message dated 7/27/03 2:13:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes: > I'm posting these together since they're related. >=20 > Cheap (not really) MIDI Looper: > In theory, you could convert particular MIDI messages (say a Note-On/-Off) > into particular tones (like FSK, frequency shift keying), then loop the > output tones in a "conventional" looper like the EDP, Repeater, Boomerang, > or whatever.=A0 You would need a decoder at the output, too, or course. >=20 > Decoding will take some time ("latency") since frequency recognition canno= t > be instaneous.=A0 Even better would be to loop a DC voltage level (which > encodes the MIDI message), but then you would need a DC-coupled looper. >=20 > One of my examples in the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma is such a MIDI > looper.=A0 Kyma loopers are "DC-coupled" (since they are in software) so I > don't need to do the FSK thing.=A0 I should be able to build a FSK MIDI > encoder/decoder using Kyma, so you could loop MIDI with an Kyma/EDP combo. > I assume you can build something similar with MAX/MSP.=A0 But that seems > rather silly (except for prototyping) since it's easier to loop MIDI > directly with Kyma or MAX. >=20 > A primary difference between MIDI looping and audio looping is that a MIDI > controlled tone (a "note") is typically described by two events seperated=20= in > time (Note-On and Note-Off).=A0 You probably want to link the two events > (manipulating them together) so that you won't have "stuck" notes and such > as you overdub, insert, decay/fade, chop, dice, and puree the loop. >=20 > The technique I've described above does not link the Note-On and Note-Off > events, so I wouldn't count it as a "real" MIDI looper, though it *does* > work remarkably well. >=20 > And very intriguing thoughts, Mark, on features for a MIDI looper!=A0 Plea= se > post more thoughts! >=20 > Dennis Leas > ----------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com] >=20 > Does anyone know of a device that encoded midi into an audio tone so it > could be recorded to an audio cassette (or other recorder) and then decode= d > back to midi, making the cassette machine a crude sequencer? It seems I > dimly remember such a (cheap!) device flashing by for a millisecond. If > something like that was available, it might be possible to do "something" > with a bunch of them and a bunch of digital delays (you couldn't use any > audio feedback on the delays, though) and midi mergers. Such a thing would > be basic and crude, no frills, but one might get the most basic live midi > looping (tm) function going. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net] >=20 >=20 > That's a really cool idea though... >=20 >=20 > >At 03:29 PM 7/26/2003, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > >>Is the audio path AC or DC coupled?=A0 In particular, will the EDP > >>record/playback a suitably scaled CV for instance.=A0 (Twisted thought,=20= I > >>know.) > > > >it is ac coupled. you can't loop a dc voltage. > > > >kim >=20 >=20 --part1_18e.1db8b9bd.2c55a87b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought I saw (back in the late 80's probably) a pro= duct that was a really inexpensive midi/audio codec. I'd love to explore the= limits of what could be done with something crude like that- I'm sure it wo= uld suggest some new tangents. If I could afford a Kyma, I'd be too distract= ed to imagine midi loopers, I think=A0 8-)=A0 at least for a year or so. (se= nd donations to my paypal account)

Even if one got something like this going, without some kind of intelligent=20= algorythm to reduce velocity values and then delete notes when they fall bel= ow a certain velocity or volume value the system would overload and do "some= thing" eventually (that would be interesting).

If one were to record and delay dc control voltages (I know of at least two=20= examples of functioning units based on this principle for driving analog syn= ths back in pre-midi days) wouldn't that necessarily exclude polyphonic midi= , or am I missing something. If one had to multiplex voltages to get polypho= ny, I don't know how that would compare to converting midi to audio in compl= exity.


Best,

Tim F



In a message dated 7/27/03 2:13:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dennis@mail.wor= ldserver.com writes:

I'm posting these together sinc= e they're related.

Cheap (not really) MIDI Looper:
In theory, you could convert particular MIDI messages (say a Note-On/-Off) into particular tones (like FSK, frequency shift keying), then loop the
output tones in a "conventional" looper like the EDP, Repeater, Boomerang, or whatever.=A0 You would need a decoder at the output, too, or course.

Decoding will take some time ("latency") since frequency recognition cannot<= BR> be instaneous.=A0 Even better would be to loop a DC voltage level (which
encodes the MIDI message), but then you would need a DC-coupled looper.

One of my examples in the Looper Construction Kit for Kyma is such a MIDI looper.=A0 Kyma loopers are "DC-coupled" (since they are in software) so I don't need to do the FSK thing.=A0 I should be able to build a FSK MIDI
encoder/decoder using Kyma, so you could loop MIDI with an Kyma/EDP combo. I assume you can build something similar with MAX/MSP.=A0 But that seems
rather silly (except for prototyping) since it's easier to loop MIDI
directly with Kyma or MAX.

A primary difference between MIDI looping and audio looping is that a MIDI controlled tone (a "note") is typically described by two events seperated in=
time (Note-On and Note-Off).=A0 You probably want to link the two events
(manipulating them together) so that you won't have "stuck" notes and such as you overdub, insert, decay/fade, chop, dice, and puree the loop.

The technique I've described above does not link the Note-On and Note-Off events, so I wouldn't count it as a "real" MIDI looper, though it *does*
work remarkably well.

And very intriguing thoughts, Mark, on features for a MIDI looper!=A0 Please=
post more thoughts!

Dennis Leas
-----------
dennis@mail.worldserver.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Fsksync@aol.com [mailto:Fsksync@aol.com]

Does anyone know of a device that encoded midi into an audio tone so it
could be recorded to an audio cassette (or other recorder) and then decoded<= BR> back to midi, making the cassette machine a crude sequencer? It seems I
dimly remember such a (cheap!) device flashing by for a millisecond. If
something like that was available, it might be possible to do "something" with a bunch of them and a bunch of digital delays (you couldn't use any
audio feedback on the delays, though) and midi mergers. Such a thing would be basic and crude, no frills, but one might get the most basic live midi looping (tm) function going.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Ray Lucas [mailto:jlucas@neoprimitive.net]


That's a really cool idea though...


>At 03:29 PM 7/26/2003, Dennis W. Leas wrote:
>>Is the audio path AC or DC coupled?=A0 In particular, will the EDP >>record/playback a suitably scaled CV for instance.=A0 (Twisted thoug= ht, I
>>know.)
>
>it is ac coupled. you can't loop a dc voltage.
>
>kim



 --part1_18e.1db8b9bd.2c55a87b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 18:35:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6RMWRp01236; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:32:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:32:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: live midi looping Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:33:34 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c3548f$1ddbb3a0$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <18e.1db8b9bd.2c55a87b@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I thought I saw (back in the late 80's probably) a > product that was a really inexpensive midi/audio > codec. I'd love to explore the limits of what could > be done with something crude like that- I'm sure it > would suggest some new tangents. If I could afford > a Kyma, I'd be too distracted to imagine midi loopers, > I think 8-) at least for a year or so. (send > donations to my paypal account) Yes! I think it would be great fun to play around with a MIDI/audio codec. Hope you can find one (through the web, all is possible...). > Even if one got something like this going, without > some kind of intelligent algorythm to reduce velocity > values and then delete notes when they fall below a > certain velocity or volume value the system would > overload and do "something" eventually (that would > be interesting). Yes, that would be very tricky with such a scheme as we talking about. Maybe you could have the output side of the codec "attenuate" the note velocities, then use a recirculating delay set-up (instead of a looper per se). You could use a MIDI merger ahead of the input codec to combine the output and new MIDI. Hmm.... > If one were to record and delay dc control voltages > (I know of at least two examples of functioning units > based on this principle for driving analog synths > back in pre-midi days) wouldn't that necessarily > exclude polyphonic midi, or am I missing something. > If one had to multiplex voltages to get polyphony, > I don't know how that would compare to converting > midi to audio in complexity. Since MIDI is already serialized, probably a MIDI note to CV conversion would work fine (or at least as well poly as MIDI is). Intriguingly, Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 27 23:37:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6S3aLl30372; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 23:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 23:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 04:37:26 +0000 Subject: Dod DFX 94 & 98 From: "JANEK SCHAEFER" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6S3aKF30349 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, I've trawled the archives and the internet with little joy. I am trying to replace a Dod DFX 94 looper pedal that I swear by. Can anyone recommend a trusty resource for getting a used model? Would anyone be interested in selling one direct? Also did the DFX 98 ever make it to the shops? I would very much appreciate you expert advice. Many thanks fingers crossed Janek ± visit http://www.audiOh.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 00:27:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6S4QRX03639; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:26:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:26:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F24A5E3.5000204@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:26:11 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: OT and potentially lame question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, way OT here but since I do use this to control a looping device I thought maybe I could ask. Last night my Proel expression pedal simply died. It worked fine last time I played, no problems at all, then it sat in a bag. Last night I plug it in and nothing, nothing at all. Is it common for the pots to just die like this or is there some other way I can test this before I go about resoldering a new one in place? BTW, everything looks fine inside, no loose connections, etc. Thanks for your patience and any advice Kevin -- How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 06:17:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SAGfS30943; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:16:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:16:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1059387183!235027 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=-,-,- Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB31F@LON-MAIL07> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:10:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C354F0.788DF7C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C354F0.788DF7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. It seems a much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception that there's no market for it? Or is there something out there of which I'm not aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!)<< you'd think..... I've been looking for something to do this, for as long as I can remember, to complement my band's array of step-sequencing hardware. the nearest things I've found that even hinted at this eliusive functionality have been the anatek pocket sequencer (mine stopped working before I could try this out properly) and the record/overdub mode (monophonic) on my doepfer schaltwerk. the alesis mmt8 doesn't seem to like being punched in and out of record while it's running. a digigram hardware sequencer I had for a while made a reasonable attempt at it, but only while running as master clock, unsuitable for my (then) requirements, so I got rid. wish I'd kept it now, it was clever. bah. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed= that no-one has
created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for M= idi.  It seems a
much easier task than looping audio.  Is there a pe= rception that there's
no market for it?  Or is there something out there = of which I'm not
aware?  (please, please, please say "yes"= !!!!)<<

you'd think..... I've been looking for something to do th= is, for as long as I can remember, to complement my band's array of step-se= quencing hardware. the nearest things I've found that even hinted at this e= liusive functionality have been the anatek pocket sequencer (mine stopped w= orking before I could try this out properly) and the record/overdub mode (m= onophonic) on my doepfer schaltwerk. the alesis mmt8 doesn't seem to like b= eing punched in and out of record while it's running. a digigram hardware s= equencer I had for a while made a reasonable attempt at it, but only while = running as master clock, unsuitable for my (then) requirements, so I got ri= d. wish I'd kept it now, it was clever.

bah.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C354F0.788DF7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 06:44:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SAhU300329; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:43:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:43:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lars Oeschey" To: Subject: RE: Syncing 2 PC's Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 01:17:43 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c35495$484be6e0$152ea8c0@lars> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Sender: oeschey@web.de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hmmm. My guess is has something to do with MIDI via a LAN. Network > packet traffic was never supposed to provide realtime > anything, though > I must admit ignorance to this protocol. Did you try using a > standard > USB to MIDI interface? I used to get an iBook to talk to a Mac G3 > desktop with no issues. Maybe that is the way to go... I already have the possibility of a MOTU 8x8 interface connected via parallel, maybe I'll just get another USB-midi device... Guess I can use that anyway... Maybe it's also easier to sync the keyboards then, since I have no way now with the LAN stuff.... Lars From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 10:03:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SE1Uk17272; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:01:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:01:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB31F@LON-MAIL07> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list people, I am looping percussion on a second EDP just because I don't know of a good MIDI looper. I, too, got a MC-505 on the advice of this list, only to find that you have to set the loop size before you begin recording (and the BPM, but it does have tap tempo--and hey, that beam is cool). The OS for the Ztar now has a MIDI looping sequencer, but it doesn't change the BPM based on the loop size, something I want and that the EDP supports. I will see how Harvey is doing on the bug fixes--he didn't really understand what I was used to with the EDP and the great luxuries it affords. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 11:56:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SFotV28717; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:50:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:50:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: OT and potentially lame question Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:50:47 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01c35520$037cf0a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3F24A5E3.5000204@minds-eye.org> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin, Try a new cable. If it is a wired device, the cable often breaks internally at the pedal. If the end is a molded type, replace it NOW! Molded cable ends are inferior and are often a source of failure. I prefer to use Neutrik plugs. I've NEVER seen one fail! Pots don't normally fail all at once, rather they will cut out, sound scratchy, or cause other freakiness before they die. This doesn't apply to breakage of the shaft and a visual inspection is certainly in order. If you own a DVM, you can check the continuity of the cable using the diode check function. Don't know what a DVM is? Stop what you are doing and take your broken gear to someone that knows how to fix it! I do repairs of all sorts and would be willing to repair pedal devices for a nominal service charge. Contact me off list for a shipping address, turnaround time, bench fees, etc. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:26 AM To: loop Subject: OT and potentially lame question Okay, way OT here but since I do use this to control a looping device I thought maybe I could ask. Last night my Proel expression pedal simply died. It worked fine last time I played, no problems at all, then it sat in a bag. Last night I plug it in and nothing, nothing at all. Is it common for the pots to just die like this or is there some other way I can test this before I go about resoldering a new one in place? BTW, everything looks fine inside, no loose connections, etc. Thanks for your patience and any advice Kevin -- How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 14:52:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SIoZv18628; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030728185034.96512.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:50:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: RE: midi looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c35482$c907d040$6501a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-273358642-1059418234=:96474" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-273358642-1059418234=:96474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've played a bit with the demo version (work and other stuff keep getting in the way). While Numerology takes inspiration from the analog step sequencing model, Jim Coker (the developer) has been steadily adding to its feature set. He is now working on a version that can host Audio Unit plugins. He seems friendly and very open to user input on bug reports and feature requests. Somebody even requested swing functionality and Jim said he'll add it to a future version. Paolo Neil Goldstein wrote: Haven't had time to check this out yet, but looks relevant and powerful, for OSX only: http://www.five12.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-273358642-1059418234=:96474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I've played a bit with the demo version (work and other stuff keep getting in the way).  While Numerology takes inspiration from the analog step sequencing model, Jim Coker (the developer) has been steadily adding to its feature set.  He is now working on a version that can host Audio Unit plugins.  He seems friendly and very open to user input on bug reports and feature requests.
 
Somebody even requested swing functionality and Jim said he'll add it to a future version.
 
Paolo

Neil Goldstein <ngold@comcast.net> wrote:
Haven't had time to check this out yet, but looks relevant and powerful,
for OSX only:

http://www.five12.com/




Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-273358642-1059418234=:96474-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 15:55:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SJlw425601; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:47:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:47:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:47:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3F0B3FA80000E0A9@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FB31F@LON-MAIL07> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: midi looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6SJlwF25574 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just to toss in a couple of cents on the topic of looping midi, the difference (one could consider it as problem) between looping midi and looping audio, is that synthesisers interpret a midi note command as an event with a start and a stop, and if you recieve a start, prior to the stop, it consider that to be an implied stop, so, if you loop some midi, and if there is a note that is sustained long enough for the loop to come back around, the looped midi will imply the end (and new begining) of the note being sustained... as well as running into possible polyphony issues as the density of the loop increases.. now, these issue do not make midi looping impossible, but, it will never react the same way as audio looping... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: midi looper >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:10:28 +0100 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >>>Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has >created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. It seems a >much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception that there's >no market for it? Or is there something out there of which I'm not >aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!)<< > >you'd think..... I've been looking for something to do this, for as long >as I can remember, to complement my band's array of step-sequencing hardware. >the nearest things I've found that even hinted at this eliusive functionality >have been the anatek pocket sequencer (mine stopped working before I could >try this out properly) and the record/overdub mode (monophonic) on my doepfer >schaltwerk. the alesis mmt8 doesn't seem to like being punched in and out >of record while it's running. a digigram hardware sequencer I had for a while >made a reasonable attempt at it, but only while running as master clock, >unsuitable for my (then) requirements, so I got rid. wish I'd kept it now, >it was clever. >bah. > >duncan. > > >*************************************************************************** >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > >The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >be privileged. 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Any views or opinions expressed in this >e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, >nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > >MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from >external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct >and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > >MTV Networks Europe >*************************************************************************** > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 16:04:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SK01V27230; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:00:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:00:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:57:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01c101c35542$8c15fe80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think you guys are missing a few things when you ask for overdub and feedback control in a midi looper. even if your midilooper pairs note-on to note-off, the receiving devices generally won't be able to do this. many problems will result from this. here's a few: when you overdub and play a note that is already in the loop, the next note off will stop it, even if you are still holding it. overlapping note-on/note-off pairs with the same note number will result in chopped-off notes. if you have feedback set to less than 100% and a note in the loop is fading, if you play that note again, the new notes velocity will be hijacked by the next note that was fading. (this is kind of hard to describe) overdubbing continuous controllers will make a mess as each new controller move would interleave with the moves in the loop, causing toggling effects. (as cool as they may sound, they w things like this will make it difficult to use. now, just the ability to set a loop length and have tempo derived with two button presses, like edp users does, would still be very useful... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 16:04:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SK1Oi27539; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:01:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:01:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:01:16 -0700 Subject: Re: midi looper Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 610dc678 aee23e9e df127625 00000004 From: mark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F0B3FA80000E0A9@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3F11BB7B-C136-11D7-9441-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting, but other than the fact that I have to specify the length of my loops, when I loop on my sequencer I don't have an issue with this. Could be because the sequencer has it's own sound source and isn't using MIDI internally. That would actually make a lot of sense for "grooveboxes" and the like. Why limit yourself with MIDI until you reach the outside world? I could, of course, but totally wrong. All I know is that I'm seemingly able to hold a note at the start of a phrase and release it somewhere in it's 2nd iteration with no issues other than the sound will stop the first time until it gets to the first event stop. After that it seems to play a perfect loop. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 12:47 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > just to toss in a couple of cents on the topic of looping midi, the > difference > (one could consider it as problem) between looping midi and looping > audio, > is that synthesisers interpret a midi note command as an event with a > start > and a stop, and if you recieve a start, prior to the stop, it consider > that > to be an implied stop, so, if you loop some midi, and if there is a > note > that is sustained long enough for the loop to come back around, the > looped > midi will imply the end (and new begining) of the note being > sustained... > as well as running into possible polyphony issues as the density of the > loop increases.. now, these issue do not make midi looping impossible, > but, > it will never react the same way as audio looping... :) > > peace > -cpr > >> -- Original Message -- >> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: midi looper >> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:10:28 +0100 >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >>>> Speaking of midi loopers, I continue to be amazed that no-one has >> created a box that does EDP/Repeater-style looping for Midi. It seems > a >> much easier task than looping audio. Is there a perception that >> there's >> no market for it? Or is there something out there of which I'm not >> aware? (please, please, please say "yes" !!!!)<< >> >> you'd think..... I've been looking for something to do this, for as >> long >> as I can remember, to complement my band's array of step-sequencing >> hardware. >> the nearest things I've found that even hinted at this eliusive >> functionality >> have been the anatek pocket sequencer (mine stopped working before I >> could >> try this out properly) and the record/overdub mode (monophonic) on my >> doepfer >> schaltwerk. the alesis mmt8 doesn't seem to like being punched in and >> out >> of record while it's running. a digigram hardware sequencer I had for >> a > while >> made a reasonable attempt at it, but only while running as master >> clock, >> unsuitable for my (then) requirements, so I got rid. wish I'd kept it >> now, >> it was clever. >> bah. >> >> duncan. >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> ***** >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >> be privileged. 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That layer could have the ability to interpret incoming notes, and merge them into a meaningful way onto outgoing MIDI. E.g. if the same note already playing in the loop is played again, at a different time, it would merge the 'superimposition' or 'union' of those two notes rather than directly propagating them. It would need deeper memory than just one loop's worth, since it would have to keep history on which note is at which point in its decaying feedback 'envelope', and such. Such an abstraction layer would be desired for other functions as well, such as abstracting tempo and time signature information, and synthesizing new MIDI clock based on the loop content and loop length. Based on this, extrapolation of tempo would become feasible, going into polyrhytmics. E.g launch a new loop in 5/4 but at the same bpm as my current loop in 4/4 - resulting in a synchronous loop but of different length). (just some thoughts out loud) Nic >From: "Jim Palmer" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: midi looper >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:57:59 -0500 > >i think you guys are missing a few things when you ask >for overdub and feedback control in a midi looper. > >even if your midilooper pairs note-on to note-off, >the receiving devices generally won't be able to do this. >many problems will result from this. > >here's a few: > > when you overdub and play a note that is already in > the loop, the next note off will stop it, even if you > are still holding it. > > overlapping note-on/note-off pairs with the same note > number will result in chopped-off notes. > > if you have feedback set to less than 100% and a note in > the loop is fading, if you play that note again, the new > notes velocity will be hijacked by the next note that was > fading. (this is kind of hard to describe) > >overdubbing continuous controllers will make a mess as each new >controller move would interleave with the moves in the loop, >causing toggling effects. (as cool as they may sound, they w > >things like this will make it difficult to use. > >now, just the ability to set a loop length and have tempo >derived with two button presses, like edp users does, would >still be very useful... > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 16:43:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SKdgJ01669; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:39:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <01c101c35542$8c15fe80$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: midi looper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:39:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2003 20:39:35.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B9280C0:01C35548] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > even if your midilooper pairs note-on to note-off, > the receiving devices generally won't be able to do this. huh? doesn't a midi-off event have a note number as well? Maybe I'm missing something here. > when you overdub and play a note that is already in > the loop, the next note off will stop it, even if you > are still holding it. not incredibly hard to compensate for in code. If its build as a midi looper there are many graceful ways to fix this problem. If we're just talking about using a midi-codec with a regular looper this is definately an issue. > if you have feedback set to less than 100% and a note in > the loop is fading, if you play that note again, the new > notes velocity will be hijacked by the next note that was > fading. (this is kind of hard to describe) I am totally confused by this one. I'm very interested, if you have the chance to explain this one further! > overdubbing continuous controllers will make a mess as each new > controller move would interleave with the moves in the loop, > causing toggling effects. (as cool as they may sound, they w Once again, there are graceful ways around this - the looper could ignore incoming CC commands if it knows that there are already CC commands on that channel/number in the loop or in that section of the loop (or alternatively, there could be an option to allow/disallow CC overdubs - so the user can at least be conscious to this problem). All good points Jim, now let me bring up a couple of neat ideas that make a midi looper a cool idea: *no bump at the loop point - great for ambient loopers -smile- *ability to do a live quantize function *It could receive all internal control commands on its own midi channel (these wouldn't get looped) *Much easier to synch a device like this to midi time clock *pitch, tempo, and volume changes are easy to implement and are totally smooth *global search and replace notes (maybe is totally specialized and obscure, but I think it could be really cool!) *could configure a midi-filter before the looper, so that only certain things are looped, but all things are passed through (this means that it can be placed late in the midi chain and easily switched to looping whatever devices you want) *wet/dry mix easy to do in software *if this is done in hardware, it could be very cheap and simple Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 16:56:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SKsV603938; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:54:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:54:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <3F11BB7B-C136-11D7-9441-00306544DA2E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: midi looper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:54:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2003 20:54:25.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DE10470:01C3554A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Interesting, but other than the fact that I have to specify the length > of my loops, when I loop on my sequencer I don't have an issue with > this. Could be because the sequencer has it's own sound source and > isn't using MIDI internally. The XL-7 >is< using midi internally - midi is a data, as well as a physical communication protocol. Are you layering notes at all? It's layering that will confuse everything. (Or rather, the layering of note offs). Not all synths will necessarily behave the way that is described, though I suspect most will. > That would actually make a lot of sense > for "grooveboxes" and the like. Why limit yourself with MIDI until you > reach the outside world? I could, of course, but totally wrong. All I > know is that I'm seemingly able to hold a note at the start of a phrase > and release it somewhere in it's 2nd iteration with no issues other > than the sound will stop the first time until it gets to the first > event stop. After that it seems to play a perfect loop. > Which means that unison notes are all being stopped together by one note off. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 17:17:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SLDuR06130; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:13:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:13:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: midi looper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:13:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2003 21:13:50.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[23F41F70:01C3554D] Resent-Message-ID: <7RL2lB.A.ofB.UIZJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Issues such as these would seem to suggest a need for an abstraction layer > that manages between input (what you'd like to feed into the looper) and > output (what is actually being sent out in MIDI, representing 'looped' > content). That layer could have the ability to interpret incoming notes, and > merge them into a meaningful way onto outgoing MIDI. E.g. if the same note > already playing in the loop is played again, at a different time, it would > merge the 'superimposition' or 'union' of those two notes rather than > directly propagating them. What could you do, other than just ignore the second version of the note? Also, how would feedback work? Midi notes don't have continuously variable control - CC's act on the entire channel. You could build a neat looper in max that would switch to the next channel on the synth for each loop, dropping volume each time round, and erasing loop 1 after sixteen passes, feed back based midi looping was what you were looking for, and it was worth it to 'waste' all those channels on your synth. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 17:58:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SLtqU10558; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:55:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:55:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <1de.d8e3dab.2c56f5d7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:55:35 EDT Subject: resistors To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1de.d8e3dab.2c56f5d7_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10504 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1de.d8e3dab.2c56f5d7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i can't seem to find any one here in town that has a 1% metal film 4.75 kohms resistor. radio shack has been close but there resistors are not metal film. any one know where i might find one of these suckers? thanks a bunch! brian looping,electro,garage,goth,punk....whatever at: somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com --part1_1de.d8e3dab.2c56f5d7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i can't seem to find any one here in town that has a 1= % metal film 4.75 kohms resistor. radio shack has been close but there resis= tors are not metal film. any one know where i might find one of these sucker= s?

thanks a bunch!
brian

looping,electro,garage,goth,punk....whatever at:
somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com --part1_1de.d8e3dab.2c56f5d7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 18:03:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SM0ig11302; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:00:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:00:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1de.d8e3dab.2c56f5d7@aol.com> References: <1de.d8e3dab.2c56f5d7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:00:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: resistors Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1152692858==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1152692858==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" www.digikey.com >i can't seem to find any one here in town that has a 1% metal film >4.75 kohms resistor. radio shack has been close but there resistors >are not metal film. any one know where i might find one of these >suckers? > >thanks a bunch! >brian > >looping,electro,garage,goth,punk....whatever at: >somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com --============_-1152692858==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: resistors
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i can't seem to find any one here in town that has a 1% metal film 4.75 kohms resistor. radio shack has been close but there resistors are not metal film. any one know where i might find one of these suckers?

thanks a bunch!
brian

looping,electro,garage,goth,punk....whatever at:
somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com

--============_-1152692858==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 18:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SM6Af12308; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:06:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:06:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <01de01c35554$2bac6cc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > even if your midilooper pairs note-on to note-off, > > the receiving devices generally won't be able to do this. > > huh? doesn't a midi-off event have a note number as well? Maybe I'm > missing something here. > yeah, your missing that words are not my thing... the problem comes when you get more than one note-on with the same note number (via overdub) before the first note-off. this is what i refer to below as overlapping note pairs. the looper can tell when these result from overdubbing and keep track of them, but the receiving device has no way of distinguishing them. > > when you overdub and play a note that is already in > > the loop, the next note off will stop it, even if you > > are still holding it. > > not incredibly hard to compensate for in code. If its build as a midi > looper there are many graceful ways to fix this problem. If > we're just > talking about using a midi-codec with a regular looper this > is definitely an > issue. > yeah, you can work around some of this, but it will be weird to get used to using it, and in some cases will defeat, however selectively, the very function you are implementing (ex. if overdubbing cc's becomes replace or record, it is no longer overdub) > > if you have feedback set to less than 100% and a note in > > the loop is fading, if you play that note again, the new > > notes velocity will be hijacked by the next note that was > > fading. (this is kind of hard to describe) > > I am totally confused by this one. I'm very interested, if > you have the > chance to explain this one further! > need some way of communicating music notation via text to do this easily... ok. i'll use overly simple one note example. 1. create a loop with a staccato c4 vel.127 on 1 of a 4 beat loop. 2. set feedback at 80%. 3. let fade a few times, say three times - vel=65. 4. click overdub. 5. play 1/2 note c4 vel.127 on beat 1. if your new note goes out after the original note, you get note-on.c4.v.65 followed immediately by note-on.c4.v.127, then say 100ms later note-off.c4 (or note-on.c4.v.0) you'll get your staccato note, but at the new velocity. (this simple example is a lot like the overlapping note pairs problem, it becomes a different thing when the notes pairs are part of two different phrases) if your new note goes out before the original note, you get note-on.c4.v.127 followed immediately by note-on.c4.v.65, then say 100ms later note-off.c4 (or note-on.c4.v.0)the new velocity will be overridden by the old decaying velocity. note that in both cases you lose your 1/2 note. (you may even hear a strange blip at the start) like i said, when the notes are part of two different phrases, this could be quite disconcerting... ok too many words, and probably even murkier... > > overdubbing continuous controllers will make a mess as each new > > controller move would interleave with the moves in the loop, > > causing toggling effects. (as cool as they may sound, they w > > Once again, there are graceful ways around this - the looper > could ignore > incoming CC commands if it knows that there are already CC > commands on that > channel/number in the loop or in that section of the loop (or > alternatively, > there could be an option to allow/disallow CC overdubs - so > the user can at > least be conscious to this problem). > i don't see that as all that graceful. if you ignore cc commands while overdubbing, you are hardly overdubbing. notes have similar problems, though with less frequency, and if you apply the same logic, you would disallow note overdubs leaving no overdubbing. if you make it selective and only dissallow same note overdubbing, it is going to seem mighty strange when you overdub a phrase and 2 or three notes (from either an earlier pass or the new pass) disappear. > All good points Jim, now let me bring up a couple of neat > ideas that make a > midi looper a cool idea: > > *no bump at the loop point - great for ambient loopers -smile- there might be a bump depending on how you handle an unreleased note at record end. but it wouldn't be the same as the bump you get on the repeater. assuming you end record with overdub, the first note in the loop for each held note would chop off that held note. > *ability to do a live quantize function yes. > *It could receive all internal control commands on its own > midi channel > (these wouldn't get looped) this is more of a requirement than a feature... > *Much easier to synch a device like this to midi time clock > *pitch, tempo, and volume changes are easy to implement and > are totally > smooth > *global search and replace notes (maybe is totally > specialized and obscure, > but I think it could be really cool!) yes, yes, yes. > *could configure a midi-filter before the looper, so that only certain > things are looped, but all things are passed through (this > means that it can > be placed late in the midi chain and easily switched to > looping whatever > devices you want) now i get to be confused. if it is late in the chain, how is controlling devices that precede it? maybe you mean using a midi patchbay? > *wet/dry mix easy to do in software hmmm. how? seems like this has the same problems as overdub. > *if this is done in hardware, it could be very cheap and simple > > Jon > hmmm... thorsten's midibox as a looper... you'd definitely need more memory, esp. for cc stuff. but you could use the mf module for control of 8 params/channels. could be pretty cool. for those unfamiliar with midibox check it out: http://www.ucapps.de/index.html did anybody make it this far down? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 18:37:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SMY4b15539; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:34:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:34:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host pdx-ppp20.pop1.net [209.102.125.70] claimed to be kerplunk Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030728154056.007eaea0@pop3.pcez.com> X-Sender: timothe@pop3.pcez.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:40:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Gard Subject: RE: midi looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5Gm46B.A.qyD.bTaJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, A MIDI looper is something I've wanted for years, and it is taking me that long to program one myself. But now with everyone brainstorming, here's my 2 cents... Someone talked about an abstraction layer to deal with the layering issues or what-have-you... I am considering creating a virtual instrument (or consider it an outport) that one could set to respond appropriately to the outstream. It would store which notes were on, as well as CCs, etc. That way, you could programmatically determine if an outbound note-on would result in layering, or a CC would reset, and respond accordingly. One of the big things that MIDI lacks is a 'memory' -- once a message is down the line, it (and it's after-effects) are lost to the system. Of course, the downside is latency in cases like that, but one hopes that today's PCs are fast enough to get the point across. Anyway, just wanted to toss in my opinion. If somebody comes across (or creates!) one of these fabled devices, I would love to stop puttering around with mine. Thanks, Tim www.prettybigmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 18:58:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6SMtNK18496; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:55:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:55:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:53:22 -0500 Message-ID: <01ea01c3555b$0bdacf20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030728154056.007eaea0@pop3.pcez.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i still have yet to play with it, but tim thompson has a midi looper called typo in keykit... >... >... If somebody comes > across (or > creates!) one of these fabled devices, I would love to stop > puttering around with mine. > > Thanks, > Tim > www.prettybigmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 20:13:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T0B6027322; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:11:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:11:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:10:25 -0700 Subject: Cyclotronic Resonator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: ea3795c9 aee23e9e df127625 00000004 From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F0B3FA80000E0A9@mta7.wss.scd.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0DBD351D-C159-11D7-A3F2-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.sonicfoundry.com/loop_libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=32 Look! all ready becoming part of the vernacular! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 20:14:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T0Ci727736; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <01de01c35554$2bac6cc0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: midi looper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:12:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 00:12:38.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E7253A0:01C35566] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com /much snipped for brevity/ > > there are many graceful ways to fix this problem. > > yeah, you can work around some of this, but it will be weird > to get used to using it, and in some cases will defeat, You're right of course. I just meant that there are many ways to get around the "problems" you've brought up. I think its going to depend on the player which is way makes the most sense. > need some way of communicating music notation via text to do > this easily... > ok. i'll use overly simple one note example. > 1. create a loop with a staccato c4 vel.127 on 1 of a 4 beat loop. > 2. set feedback at 80%. > 3. let fade a few times, say three times - vel=65. > 4. click overdub. > 5. play 1/2 note c4 vel.127 on beat 1. Now this all makes sense. Add to this the problem that most sounds have a release time, so things will sound even wierder! To be honest though, maybe its just a fact of life that a midi looper won't be able to handle two simultaneous passages very well when they have overlapping notes. BUT, how often do you think this really comes up in a musical looping situation - normally if I want two lines going at the same moment, they'd be on two different channels, or at least two different registers of the keyboard. > i don't see that as all that graceful. if you ignore cc commands > while overdubbing, you are hardly overdubbing. notes have similar I'm not sure, but I would bet that most commonly CC commands come in "bursts". In other words mostly you've got constant CC values, but sometimes a pedal is moved (a burst of CC messages) and then you settle back into constant CC value. You could identify "bursts" and keep track of their duration - got me? Then the user could choose either replace or ignore when overdubbing with CCs. ignore would basically ignore new bursts that overlap old ones, while replace ditches all old bursts that overlap with new incomming ones. > > *no bump at the loop point - great for ambient loopers -smile- > > there might be a bump depending on how you handle an unreleased > note at record end. but it wouldn't be the same as the bump I agree. I would think that it might make sense for the device to ALWAYS go straight into "selective overdub" when exiting record mode which to means that it will be in overdub - but only listening to note-off commands that would close up a note already in the main loop. > > *could configure a midi-filter before the looper, so that only certain > > things are looped, but all things are passed through (this > > now i get to be confused. if it is late in the chain, > how is controlling devices that precede it? I meant late in the chain, but before the sound modules... After all of the controllers. Maybe its not that big of a deal. Imagine if you've got a keyboard split and you're playing basslines on CH1 and leads on CH2 at the same time. If the midi-loopers is configured to loop only stuff on CH1, then you'll get your bassline looped without the lead. That's all I was getting at. > hmmm... thorsten's midibox as a looper... maybe you should ask him! > did anybody make it this far down? obviously. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 21:20:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T1H9G01562; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:17:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:17:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:16:05 -0400 Subject: Orange at The Milky Way From: Dan Soltzberg To: ghost 7 / Orange events Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3142271765_25940_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. 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--MS_Mac_OE_3142271765_25940_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 21:44:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T1gqK04694; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:42:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:42:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F25D11F.20609@quik.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:42:55 -0700 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: little whales update -- Myrmidons Building Skyscrapers References: <3F19DF13.893778B8@earthlink.net> <008d01c34ed1$76baf080$e0154ed5@bigboy> In-Reply-To: <008d01c34ed1$76baf080$e0154ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, The latest edition to the ambient guitar looping project, "Little Whales", is available at: http://littlewhales.thedivided.com/ Click on "Myrmidons Building Skyscrapers". As always, comments welcome here and at dgoat@quik.com D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 28 23:53:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T3o1J17225; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:50:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:50:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:50:04 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: midi looper In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008701c35584$7f391fc0$15a8a8c0@NOLA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3VVasB.A.ANE.o7eJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > now let me bring up a couple of neat ideas that make a > midi looper a cool idea: To the ones Jon mentions, I would add: * easy algorithmic processing on the looping data (e.g. a simple fractal algorithm on a small phrase produces lots of complexity) * Forcing tonality on the notes, adjusting them to a particular scale * Forcing atonality (adding slight randomness to pitches) * Filter half the notes out, making it less dense and new rhythms emerge * Convert some of the notes into chords * etc. It's different than audio, and there are pros and cons. I'm a happy MIDI looper, but I can't say I've explored even a small fraction of what you could do. I tend to combine looping with exploration in controllers and other things. See: http://nosuch.com/images/bm2003 for a description of what might be the biggest looping instrument in the world. (I doubt that it is, but it'll be interesting to hear about the bigger ones.) Come to Burning Man and check it out! ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 01:28:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T5QnE26738; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:26:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:26:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:26:55 -0700 Subject: Ableton's Live on an iBook 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008701c35584$7f391fc0$15a8a8c0@NOLA> Message-Id: <4454F7F2-C185-11D7-8276-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <-5HYZ.A.phG.ZWgJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been toying with the idea of using Live to play loops made on my Repeater in a kind of DJ context. I've got an iBook 500 mhz, but no audio interface. Any suggestions? Advice? Is the iBook good enough? It's got 576 meg of RAM. I'm running OSX, but I can also go 9.2. Does either have an advantage? I probably won't have too many loops going at once, as I'll have a groovebox going along side. I looked at the Tascam midi/audio usb interface and that looked like it might be a good way to go. I'd love to hear from someone who's doing something similar. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 01:38:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T5ZTY27632; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:35:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4454F7F2-C185-11D7-8276-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> References: <4454F7F2-C185-11D7-8276-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:35:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Ableton's Live on an iBook 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I looked at the Tascam midi/audio usb interface and that looked >like it might be a good way to go. I'd love to hear from someone >who's doing something similar. I'm not doing anything remotely similar, but I do happen to have the Roland UA-30 usb interface, and I'm on an ibook as well. Have you looked into that little box? I use it for entirely different purposes, but it may be what you're looking for as well. If that helps you at all, great. If not...well, I tried. lol Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 01:52:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T5nxb28945; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:49:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:49:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:48:01 -0700 Subject: Re: midi looper From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you can forego feedback, I would say that a lot of drum machines have demonstrated that one can do a reasonably job of looping MIDI. What they generally seem to lack include: * On the fly loop length definition * Multiply, insert, etc. options while playing/recording I also want to do everything else while the machine is playing including saving patterns for later recall, switching which pattern I'm editing, etc.. If you are familiar with the Roland Grooveboxes, the RPS stuff is fun for building pieces by adding and removing loops and effects. It's in some ways nicer than the simple mute/unmute tracks approach since you can play with where a phrase starts. But you can't build up a set of RPS phrases live. Instead you have to write a bunch of patterns and then assign them. MIDI looping shouldn't try to recreate audio looping. You can use audio loopers for that. But it should try to recreate the live feel of building and evolving the material as you go. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 01:53:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T5ppC29240; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:51:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:51:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:52:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi looper X-Mailer: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <008701c35584$7f391fc0$15a8a8c0@NOLA> References: <008701c35584$7f391fc0$15a8a8c0@NOLA> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, > * easy algorithmic processing on the looping data (e.g. > a simple fractal algorithm on a small phrase produces > lots of complexity) > * Forcing tonality on the notes, adjusting them to a particular scale > * Forcing atonality (adding slight randomness to pitches) > * Filter half the notes out, making it less dense and > new rhythms emerge > * Convert some of the notes into chords Not a looper as such, but SSEYO's KoanPro software can do all that to an incoming midi source. Sadly SSEYO seem to be more interested, nowadays, in developing ring-tones for mobile phones than developing the wondrous KoanPro. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 03:15:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T7DYZ03793; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:13:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.202.179.231] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi looper Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:13:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 07:13:28.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8AA5070:01C355A0] Resent-Message-ID: <7vvV5B.A.G7.e6hJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If you can forego feedback, I would say that a lot of drum machines have >demonstrated that one can do a reasonably job of looping MIDI. What they >generally seem to lack include: > >* On the fly loop length definition > Mark, Your trusty XL-7 will allow you to set up temporary loops of any size shorter than the pattern that you are recording to. bIz _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 03:21:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6T7Eco04020; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.202.179.231] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cyclotronic Resonator Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:14:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 07:14:32.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EE63790:01C355A1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sample cd is about 10 years old. One of the very first I ever bought... bIz >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Cyclotronic Resonator >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:10:25 -0700 > >http://www.sonicfoundry.com/loop_libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=32 > >Look! all ready becoming part of the vernacular! > >Mark Sottilaro > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 06:31:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TAUFd16167; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 06:30:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 06:30:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Berlin Livelooping on IUMA Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:35:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Seen: false X-ID: ZBjhrqZr8ePija2eUFWqEdfzy158xtyUKytt1RnM4Pp6elP20P1d82@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The music from the Berlin Livelooping evening (July 4th) is now online at a preliminary page at IUMA. You can download everything as mp3 or stream it as mp3 or realaudio. http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/LiveLooping (click on "album1" for the Berlin tracks) = michael peters = www.michaelpeters.de = computer graphics + electronic music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 10:34:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TEWLt03385; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:32:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <4454F7F2-C185-11D7-8276-0003934CD2FA@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Ableton's Live on an iBook 500 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:32:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 14:32:14.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[346327C0:01C355DE] Resent-Message-ID: <1yxj-C.A.y0.0VoJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live is a relatively low cpu use program - you shouldn't have any problem running it on a 500 mhz machine. You'll probably won't have much power for VST effects of the large variety (PSP94 etc), but for straight audio, you'll be fine - especially if you use the computer keyboard for control, rather than a midi controller - triggering from the keyboard gives you no latency. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Ableton's Live on an iBook 500 > I've been toying with the idea of using Live to play loops made on my > Repeater in a kind of DJ context. I've got an iBook 500 mhz, but no > audio interface. Any suggestions? Advice? Is the iBook good enough? > It's got 576 meg of RAM. I'm running OSX, but I can also go 9.2. Does > either have an advantage? I probably won't have too many loops going > at once, as I'll have a groovebox going along side. I looked at the > Tascam midi/audio usb interface and that looked like it might be a good > way to go. I'd love to hear from someone who's doing something similar. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 11:08:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TF5Lr07463; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:05:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Ableton's Live on an iBook 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <129610E9-C1D6-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1PLCRB.A.b0B.x0oJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, that does help. The UA-30 looks small and cheap which are bonuses. I do already have a USB MIDI interface so this could be a good way to do it. Thanks again, Mark On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 10:35 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> I looked at the Tascam midi/audio usb interface and that looked >> like it might be a good way to go. I'd love to hear from someone >> who's doing something similar. > > I'm not doing anything remotely similar, but I do happen to have the > Roland UA-30 usb interface, and I'm on an ibook as well. Have you > looked into that little box? I use it for entirely different purposes, > but it may be what you're looking for as well. If that helps you at > all, great. If not...well, I tried. lol > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 11:11:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TF80907936; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:08:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:07:59 -0700 Subject: Re: midi looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <71021B1E-C1D6-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the big deal about defining loop length? Ever since I've looped with a JamMan synced to a MIDI clock I've had to preset how many beats my loop was going to be and I never, ever found it to be a limitation. In fact, I think it's a kind of nice structure. Like picking out a length of tape and then dealing with it. Mark On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 10:48 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > If you can forego feedback, I would say that a lot of drum machines > have > demonstrated that one can do a reasonably job of looping MIDI. What > they > generally seem to lack include: > > * On the fly loop length definition > > * Multiply, insert, etc. options while playing/recording > > I also want to do everything else while the machine is playing > including > saving patterns for later recall, switching which pattern I'm editing, > etc.. > > If you are familiar with the Roland Grooveboxes, the RPS stuff is fun > for > building pieces by adding and removing loops and effects. It's in some > ways > nicer than the simple mute/unmute tracks approach since you can play > with > where a phrase starts. But you can't build up a set of RPS phrases > live. > Instead you have to write a bunch of patterns and then assign them. > > MIDI looping shouldn't try to recreate audio looping. You can use audio > loopers for that. But it should try to recreate the live feel of > building > and evolving the material as you go. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 11:30:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TFS2w11542; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:28:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:28:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <129610E9-C1D6-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Ableton's Live on an iBook 500 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:27:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 15:27:56.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC21A140:01C355E5] Resent-Message-ID: <4Zpw_.A.Q0C.CKpJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Make sure that you aren't overloading your USB bus... I'm not the best informed on the subject, but I beleive that if iBooks come with 1.x buses, you may be in trouble. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Ableton's Live on an iBook 500 > No, that does help. The UA-30 looks small and cheap which are bonuses. > I do already have a USB MIDI interface so this could be a good way to > do it. > > Thanks again, > > Mark > > On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 10:35 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > >> I looked at the Tascam midi/audio usb interface and that looked > >> like it might be a good way to go. I'd love to hear from someone > >> who's doing something similar. > > > > I'm not doing anything remotely similar, but I do happen to have the > > Roland UA-30 usb interface, and I'm on an ibook as well. Have you > > looked into that little box? I use it for entirely different purposes, > > but it may be what you're looking for as well. If that helps you at > > all, great. If not...well, I tried. lol > > > > Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 11:53:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TFnHi14723; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:49:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:49:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:49:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <71021B1E-C1D6-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro said: What's the big deal about defining loop length? Ever since I've looped with a JamMan synced to a MIDI clock I've had to preset how many beats my loop was going to be and I never, ever found it to be a limitation. In fact, I think it's a kind of nice structure. Like picking out a length of tape and then dealing with it. My thoughts: WindowingT with the EDP is all about redefining loop length. I have lots of fun changing meters with the EDP I use for percussion. BTW, I alerted Harvey Starr to the thread and expect him to start auditing this list (perhaps . . .) so I would appreciate it if anyone with the information would talk about how the EDP determines BPM by loop size. I am afraid I am more of a guitar player than an engineer . . . Gary PS Has anyone got a report on the new DigiDelay X-series stomp box by DigiTech? I wonder . . . they don't cost much-- G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 12:10:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TG7Kg17067; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:07:21 -0700 Subject: Re: midi looper From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Defining loop length on the fly means, push record, play something, push record again and the loop length is now set. I may not have an initial drum beat and I may not want to listen to a metronome before starting to play. Mark on 7/29/03 12:13 AM, Jonathan El-Bizri at ssrndpty@hotmail.com wrote: > > >> If you can forego feedback, I would say that a lot of drum machines have >> demonstrated that one can do a reasonably job of looping MIDI. What they >> generally seem to lack include: >> >> * On the fly loop length definition >> > > Mark, > > Your trusty XL-7 will allow you to set up temporary loops of any size > shorter than the pattern that you are recording to. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 12:16:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TGDpj18376; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:13:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:13:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1092.213.89.33.134.1059495228.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> In-Reply-To: References: <71021B1E-C1D6-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:13:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RE: midi looper From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: per@boysen.se User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > so I would appreciate it if anyone with the > information would talk about how the EDP determines BPM by loop size. Stomp "record", play something and then close the loop by stomping the same "record" button (or any other according to what you want to do). As soon as you stop recording (i.e. close the loop) the loop lenght is being defined and the EDP calculates the tempo. The BPB calculated also depends on the 8th/cycle setting in the EDP. If doubled the BPM will also doulble. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 16:22:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TKJWK15921; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:19:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:19:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.d3bb0d6.2c5830ca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:19:22 EDT Subject: Re: midi looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c9.d3bb0d6.2c5830ca_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c9.d3bb0d6.2c5830ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/28/03 11:50:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tjt@nosuch.com writes: > http://nosuch.com/images/bm2003 > tim.....all i can say is WOW!......michael --part1_1c9.d3bb0d6.2c5830ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/28/0= 3 11:50:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tjt@nosuch.com writes:


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tim.....all i can say is WOW!......michael --part1_1c9.d3bb0d6.2c5830ca_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 16:34:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TKXWA18478; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:33:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:33:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:34:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c35610$d49f9700$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <1c9.d3bb0d6.2c5830ca@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Yes! Yes! Well spoken, Michael!) WOW! Great work, Tim! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi looper In a message dated 7/28/03 11:50:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tjt@nosuch.com writes: http://nosuch.com/images/bm2003 tim.....all i can say is WOW!......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 17:05:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TL3VR22019; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:03:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Help Me Solve this Routing Problem?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, I emailed last week about some basic problems setting up my EDP with my rig. I think I've got those basic issues sorted out--many thanks to Bruno Kleinefeld in particular. But now I'm encountering some routing problems that I can't figure out b/c I'm trying to A/B two amps, one of which has an fx loop. Anyone want to take a stab at helping me sort things out? If so, here's my gear followed by my problem. First the gear: Amps: AC30 and Boogie MKII (w/ effects loop) OD units/other pedals: Chandler rack mount tube driver, Menatone Blue Collar pedal, and Boss OD-2, Boss LS-2 line selector Other rack gear: TC Electronics G-Force, EDP Seems pretty simply so far--at least compared to the rigs I know many of you have. But here's my problem. I want to be able to A/B my amps. *And* I want to be able to send certain fx (the G-Force and the EDP loops I create) in common to both amps (used one at a time, however...not in stereo. I know the EDP doesn't have a stereo out), while having the overdrives routed to each amp separately. But here's the problem I'm encountering. I want to send the Chandler T.D.-->Menatone Blue Collar into the front end of my Boogie *only*. I want to use the Boss OD-2 in front of the Vox, and I'm placing that pedal on the output/send side of the LS-2. Meanwhile, I'm placing the G-Force and the EDP in the Boogie's fx loop. I want to send the G-Force/EDP signal to *both* the Vox and the Boogie via the LS-2. I then want to be able to A/B the amps (one on, the other silent) using one or the other of them, but not both (well, ok, maybe both at some point, but one thing at a time!)--depending on my needs. Here's what's been happening instead when I use the following signal path: guitar-->Chandler-->Blue Collar-->Boogie front input Boogie fx send-->G-Force-->EDP-->Boogie fx return-->LS-2 input--LS-2 B/send-->Boss OD-2-->Vox input So, in this scenario I have the G-Force and the EDP on the input side of the LS-2--which is what I want because it enables both of those fx to be routed to both amps. That's working fine. But when I use the LS-2 in A/B mode, I cannot get the Vox isolated by itself. When I play through it, the Boogie also has signal going through it. The reverse is *not* the case. When I have the Boogie on, the Vox is silent. Also, the Tube Driver/Menatone sounds are *also* going through my Vox. They aren't isolated to the Boogie. I've been banging my head against the wall trying to figure out if what I want to do: a) isn't possible b) is possible with the gear I have, but I'm just being an ass and have things hooked up wrong or c) is possible, but I need another A/B switch or some other piece of gear to pull it off. Like I said, many of you guys have much more gear than I do. I don't know if any of you try to A/B amps like I am, but if you have, I would definitely appreciate sharing your wisdom. In my case, ignorance is definitely not bliss! Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 17:36:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TLVlN25321; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [141.151.79.36] X-Originating-Email: [moreilly2001@hotmail.com] From: "Michael O'Reilly" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: which multi effects box ? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:31:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 21:31:41.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD200F20:01C35618] Resent-Message-ID: <5adHw.A.iLG.DfuJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loopers I was referred to the list by Michael Brook - Knowing only that he used multi-tap delays I emailed him to ask how he synched his delays to music (he uses midi clock). While that may be well known to many of you as an efficient way to spend more time performing than knob twiddling, it just shows how much I don't know. I reviewed some of the products, but thought it might be more efficient to ask the list ***I have roughly $1k to spend on a device that should do: JamMan style looping, multi-tap midi clock synch, in reverb one of the flavors should be infinite, and assorted stomp box style overdirve effects as well as all the other effects one gets in a multi-unit*** Is this too much to expect ? should I be looking at being able to do all these things by buying separate units ? If folx cannot reccomend one multi-effects unit, perhaps they can mention one unti that does one of the things mentioned above (looping, infinite reverb, multi-tap midi clock synch, guitar overdrive, etc) and do it well ? Thanks Michael O'Reilly _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 18:10:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TM8jg29456; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:08:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:08:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c3561e$760a4ce0$a5602544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Michael Brook (was Re: which multi effects box ?) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael O'Reilly" > I was referred to the list by Michael Brook Sorry to change the subject without answering questions I know nothing about, but is he on the list? What's he up to these days? Any word on new releases? As fer you, there's gotta be someone around here to answer you questions. * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 18:29:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TMNXU31204; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:23:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:23:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:23:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Is this too much to expect ? should I be looking at being able to do >all these things by buying separate units ? If folx cannot reccomend >one multi-effects unit, perhaps they can mention one unti that does >one of the things mentioned above (looping, infinite reverb, >multi-tap midi clock synch, guitar overdrive, etc) and do it well ? > Lexicon MPX G2?? Not sure if it does everything you want, but it might be something you should take a close look at. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 18:51:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TMoBe01569; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:50:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:50:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:50:04 -0700 Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 5df39092 aee23e9e df127625 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a tall order, but you can find the Lexicon MPX G2 used with a foot controller for about $1000. That's what I paid for mine and I really like it. It does an amazing amount of stuff really well, but I wasn't all that excited with it's over driven pre-amp sounds. No matter, it's got a stereo effects send and I just put a tube pre amp in the insert and I was good to go. Issues I have with it are that as a JamMan, it is NOT a JamMan. I can get a single loop going that is synced to MIDI. One thing you've got to also realize is that the G2's got X amount of processing power and when you use it all up, it's gone. That means you might not be able to get all of what you want going at once. You can get a lot going though. Anyway, the time based effects sound amazing and the routing flexibility is really good. For a looper though, I admit I pretty much always go to my Repeater for that. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 02:31 PM, Michael O'Reilly wrote: > Hello loopers > > I was referred to the list by Michael Brook - Knowing only that he > used multi-tap delays I emailed him to ask how he synched his delays > to music (he uses midi clock). While that may be well known to many of > you as an efficient way to spend more time performing than knob > twiddling, it just shows how much I don't know. I reviewed some of the > products, but thought it might be more efficient to ask the list > > ***I have roughly $1k to spend on a device that should do: JamMan > style looping, multi-tap midi clock synch, in reverb one of the > flavors should be infinite, and assorted stomp box style overdirve > effects as well as all the other effects one gets in a multi-unit*** > > Is this too much to expect ? should I be looking at being able to do > all these things by buying separate units ? If folx cannot reccomend > one multi-effects unit, perhaps they can mention one unti that does > one of the things mentioned above (looping, infinite reverb, multi-tap > midi clock synch, guitar overdrive, etc) and do it well ? > > Thanks > > Michael O'Reilly > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 19:07:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TN6N603356; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:06:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:06:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F2700D8.92D6FF5E@erols.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:18:48 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael O'Reilly wrote: > Hello loopers > > I was referred to the list by Michael Brook - Knowing only that he used > multi-tap delays I emailed him to ask how he synched his delays to music (he > uses midi clock). While that may be well known to many of you as an > efficient way to spend more time performing than knob twiddling, it just > shows how much I don't know. I reviewed some of the products, but thought it > might be more efficient to ask the list > > ***I have roughly $1k to spend on a device that should do: JamMan style > looping, multi-tap midi clock synch, in reverb one of the flavors should be > infinite, and assorted stomp box style overdirve effects as well as all the > other effects one gets in a multi-unit*** > > Is this too much to expect ? should I be looking at being able to do all > these things by buying separate units ? If folx cannot reccomend one > multi-effects unit, perhaps they can mention one unti that does one of the > things mentioned above (looping, infinite reverb, multi-tap midi clock > synch, guitar overdrive, etc) and do it well ? > > Thanks > > Michael O'Reilly > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail It sounds like you might be best served by two seperate machines, one for dedicated looping and one for mult-effects. It also sounds like you want your looper to send out MIDI clock, which I believe only the EDP and The Repeater do. I'm an EDP user, and I love it. New ones are going for $799. at musicians friend without a footcontroller. I use the EDP as a MIDI Master to my Adrenalinn and it's great. I get lots of beat synced tremolo, delay, filter and flange sequences, etc. The Adrenalinn doesn't have reverb though. I've done some research on multi-effects and I liked what I read about the Lexicon MPX-200. It has well reviewed reverb, as well as time based delays and other effects. I believed that box is going for about $299. That seemed to put you over your $1000. budget, but it might be a place to start looking. Best of luck, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 19:27:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TNPJs05789; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:25:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Cooper" To: Subject: RE: which multi effects box ? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:43:19 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ***I have roughly $1k to spend on a device that should do: JamMan style looping, multi-tap midi clock synch, in reverb one of the flavors should be infinite, and assorted stomp box style overdrive effects as well as all the other effects one gets in a multi-unit*** I'm pretty new to live looping, but I have hit the ground running with this DigiTech GNX3 http://www.digitech.com/products/gnx3.htm It has "JamMan TM Delay Looper" built in. You can layer up to 8 tracks, or overdub an infinite number. I haven't really been through all the cab emulators and effects yet because I am mostly just looping vocal and guitar parts with an acoustic. (the microphone input makes this pretty damn convenient). I'll give away the biggest disadvantages right away though, as far as I can tell there's no midi clock synch. Also, you can't turn down the feedback rate for recorded loops (so that they fade away)so I've been putting a volume pedal after my processor so I can just fade down all my tracks if I want. I really doubt there's a multi-effects pedal that has this many looping/recording features. but, ya... its definetly hard to get it all in one package. For a grand, however, you should be able to get everything you need. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 19:40:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TNdxR07738; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:39:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 23:39:52.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[B57450E0:01C3562A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ***I have roughly $1k to spend on a device that should do: JamMan style > looping, multi-tap midi clock synch, in reverb one of the flavors should be > infinite, and assorted stomp box style overdirve effects as well as all the > other effects one gets in a multi-unit*** EDP + TC.Electronics G-Major (or maybe M-ONE or M-300 or some suitable lexicon device) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 19:48:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TNlVo08708; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:47:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:47:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >EDP + TC.Electronics G-Major (or maybe M-ONE or M-300 or some suitable >lexicon device) Another great choice is the G-Force, but it's much more expensive than the G-Major. I realize you'd be way over your budget, but it sounds like ideally (?) you may want: EDP (or Repeater?) + a nice preamp (Line 6 Pro XT maybe?) + either an MPX G-2, a G-Force, or G-Major. What a great rig that would be. That's pretty much the path I'm heading down, but it's a matter of buying one piece at a time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 19:55:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6TNsm809799; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12a501c3562d$af4f9050$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:01:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? > > > >EDP + TC.Electronics G-Major (or maybe M-ONE or M-300 or some suitable > >lexicon device) > > Another great choice is the G-Force, but it's much more expensive > than the G-Major. > > I realize you'd be way over your budget, but it sounds like ideally > (?) you may want: EDP (or Repeater?) + a nice preamp (Line 6 Pro XT > maybe?) + either an MPX G-2, a G-Force, or G-Major. What a great rig > that would be. I'm getting ready to press a G-Major into service. No feedback on it yet. No distortion settings, but pretty nice for the price, and handy in the studio too. I have a Hughes and Kettner Tubman Plus I'm selling. It's a little over a month old, but the G-Major would probably be best in an FX loop, and the Tubeman doesn't have one. Paul > > That's pretty much the path I'm heading down, but it's a matter of > buying one piece at a time. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 20:16:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6U0FwT12644; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:15:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:15:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:20:52 -0500 Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <62BUfC.A.bFD.94wJ_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 04:31 PM, Michael O'Reilly wrote: > ***I have roughly $1k to spend on a device that should do: JamMan > style looping, multi-tap midi clock synch, in reverb one of the > flavors should be infinite, and assorted stomp box style overdirve > effects as well as all the other effects one gets in a multi-unit*** i could think of a few systems, but i can't think of anything that does everything you want at once except for an Eventide DSP7000. even then i don't know if it's reverb algorithm has a hold parameter. but it's not $1,000. it's more. methinks a Jam-Man and a PCM-80 (and some Danelectro pedals) would be the best solution. the PCM-80 has the infinite reverb, and the midi-clockable multi-tap delays. however i should point out that if it's the Cobalt Blue-era Michael Brook you're talking about he didn't have midi clock synched delays. he had to set all his delay times numerically. i just spent 30 minutes trying to find the site where i read what his delay times were for some of the songs, and what delays he was using but i came up with NOTHING. i wonder what happened to that excellent Michael Brook site ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 21:05:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6U11tn17985; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:01:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:01:48 -0700 Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: d37aa485 aee23e9e df127625 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <65DD7EED-C229-11D7-ADC1-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, that's the route I go down. I wish there was a magical box that did it all, but if there is I haven't found it. I use a Repeater for loops, Lexicon MPX G2 for filter and time based guitar effects and reverb and a Rocktron Piranha for distortion/overdrive. So I guess that's down to three boxes which isn't too bad. I guess my main issue is those three boxes are in a pile with 6 other boxes all of which play a big part in what has become my schtick. The upside is I can do amazing things with my pile of boxes. The downside is I've created a monster that doesn't like to travel. I've got a show coming up soon and I'm itching to go out with all my guns a blazing, but it would mean reconfiguring things which makes them easier to haul out of the studio, but harder to disconnect/reconnect from the studio. I'm not sure how it will all play out (pun intended) but I'll keep people posted. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 04:47 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> EDP + TC.Electronics G-Major (or maybe M-ONE or M-300 or some suitable >> lexicon device) > > Another great choice is the G-Force, but it's much more expensive than > the G-Major. > > I realize you'd be way over your budget, but it sounds like ideally > (?) you may want: EDP (or Repeater?) + a nice preamp (Line 6 Pro XT > maybe?) + either an MPX G-2, a G-Force, or G-Major. What a great rig > that would be. > > That's pretty much the path I'm heading down, but it's a matter of > buying one piece at a time. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 29 23:59:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6U3t3d02306; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:55:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c35646$09f338a0$404dfea9@manecofl9t5bcf> From: "Maneco" To: References: <65DD7EED-C229-11D7-ADC1-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: eh16 question Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:49:36 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <06gdAB.A.2j.XG0J_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello... does anyone have an eh16 secon delay? in that case,how does the click control works? does it lights a led in time with the loop?does it control the click volume? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 01:05:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6U4oLf07840; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03ef01c356ec$9a3808e0$4ca44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:47:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7dFbrB.A.Y6B.N60J_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "i could think of a few systems, but i can't think of anything that does everything you want at once except for an Eventide DSP7000. even then i don't know if it's reverb algorithm has a hold parameter." you could make it work, just fyi. "but it's not $1,000. it's more." yeah, like nearly 3x more. "the PCM-80 has the infinite reverb, and the midi-clockable multi-tap delays." ...yeah, and last time i checked, the price for the 80 was over 700 bucks. hell, i sold my 70 for 800 bucks (hi mark!) to some joe in italy. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 02:54:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6U6mQE22344; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:48:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:48:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c35666$93679d40$6d01a8c0@MyComputer> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:48:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > ***I have roughly $1k to spend on a device that should do: JamMan > > style looping, multi-tap midi clock synch, in reverb one of the > > flavors should be infinite, and assorted stomp box style overdirve > > effects as well as all the other effects one gets in a multi-unit*** The good old Lexicon LXP-15 has a pretty nice envelope/cc controlled infinite verb. Great verbs as well among other great algorythyms, and they can be found for about $200-$300 bucks. It has 4 or 5 cv/exped inputs on the rear, meaning you don't really have to midi it up. Very intuitive user i/f as well. One algorythym allows you smooth glitch-free cc/exped control of delay time as well. Drawbacks are it's very deep in the rack and heavy (built-in power supply) are the downside. I loved the couple I owned, and will repurchase one sometime soon. So you have $700-$800 bucks left for the looper and guitar sounds with this baby... Happy hunting! Miko Biffle | biffoz@arczip.com "Do you really want to know how it all works out?" Fresh new ICS Xray Lodge | http://www.powerhat.com/ics/sounds.html Now playing: "Rough" | http://cdbaby.com/cd/biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 02:57:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6U6tQx23480; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:55:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:55:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:00:21 -0500 Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <03ef01c356ec$9a3808e0$4ca44a43@g0wn7> Message-Id: <7C88BCE5-C25B-11D7-A7A7-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0sdNTC.A.vuF.ev2J_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 05:47 PM, jimfowler wrote: snip DSP7000 comments > "but it's not $1,000. it's more." > yeah, like nearly 3x more. haha. yeah i guess i was understating that a bit. so would infinite reverb on the eventide be done by some modulation routing which would close the send going to the reverb (or "plex" in tidespeak) module, and crank the feedback up to 100 percent? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 03:38:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6U7aJi29380; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:36:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:36:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:35:24 -0700 Subject: Re: eh16 question From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c35646$09f338a0$404dfea9@manecofl9t5bcf> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello... > does anyone have an eh16 secon delay? yeah...me :-) > in that case,how does the click control works? does it lights a led in time > with the loop?does it control the click volume? > thanks the led @the top of the clock fader blinks in time w/ the click as you move the fader up the speed increases and the clix get so close together it become noise. there is no control for volume of the click unless you hook a pot or volped of some kind to the output jack for the clock. from the owners manual: "(12) CLOCK OUT JACK the clix click track output(5) appears here. if anything is plugged into it,the click track is internally disconnected from the audio output circuits. this may be used to drive programmable rhythm units with a "clock in" feature, such as the E-H DRM-15."(whatever *that* was...) btw i love my . i bought it when they came out(my 1st looper) in the early 80s and have been using it on and off since then. it is now a permanent part of my rig. nothin like it in the world. -- stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 03:58:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6U7uMr32192; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "nick@12testing.net" To: "Tim Cooper" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:57:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: which multi effects box ? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <3F27885F.15299.4198AE@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: charset="iso-8859-1" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 29 Jul 2003 at 17:43, Tim Cooper wrote: > ***I have roughly $1k to spend on a device that should do: JamMan > style looping, multi-tap midi clock synch, in reverb one of the Whilst there's probably such a beast out there, my advice is to keep things separate - the biggest drawback to having it in one box means you're unlikley to have the facility to change eq/reverb etc whilst keeping your loops going. This will seriously limit the development of your loops. I have a JMP1 for basic tone/distortion, a QuadraFX for reverb/treatment (superb device, by the way) and a jamman to loop the lot. That way I can fade in a completely new sound into the loop, or keep an nice ambient wash whilst soloing "dry(ish)" over the top. Each device has it's own midi patch selector & the behringer fcb1010 to control the reverby FX live. It also means whenever a new looper or FX comes out, you can slot that into your existing setup without too much relearning or sacrificing your basic tone.. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 05:45:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6U9i8O12267; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c3567f$1c863a60$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:44:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I realize you'd be way over your budget, but it sounds like ideally > (?) you may want: EDP (or Repeater?) + a nice preamp (Line 6 Pro XT > maybe?) + either an MPX G-2, a G-Force, or G-Major. What a great rig > that would be. or even four EDPs, an MPX-G2 and a TL Audio 5051 - that'd be amazing. wait! that's what I'm using :o) The TL Preamp is currently on loan, but I'll be buying one ASAP - it's gorgeous. Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 07:16:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UBEDu21079; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c35683$64ddae20$404dfea9@manecofl9t5bcf> From: "Maneco" To: References: Subject: Re: eh16 question Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:14:00 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <7tIPoD.A.PJF.Fi6J_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your reply... > the led @the top of the clock fader blinks in time w/ the click > as you move the fader up the speed increases and the clix get so close > together it become noise. is it always a regular pattern? continous? > there is no control for volume of the click unless you hook a pot or volped > of some kind to the output jack for the clock. > from the owners manual: > "(12) CLOCK OUT JACK > the clix click track output(5) appears here. if anything is plugged into > it,the click track is internally disconnected from the audio output > circuits. > this may be used to drive programmable rhythm units with a "clock in" > feature, such as the E-H DRM-15."(whatever *that* was...) > > btw i love my . i bought it when they came out(my 1st looper) > in the early 80s and have been using it on and off since then. it is now a > permanent part of my rig. > nothin like it in the world. hmmm wait a few days... ;=) > -- > stanitarium > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 08:27:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UCPVo28598; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c35695$836cd750$0d1e93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:24:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > >EDP + TC.Electronics G-Major (or maybe M-ONE or M-300 or some suitable > >lexicon device) > > Another great choice is the G-Force, but it's much more expensive > than the G-Major. > Gforce doesnt use midi clock for delay time set (too complicated for guitarist they said at tc..... ) and its discontinued Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 09:50:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UDmwD05625; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:48:53 EDT Subject: Re: eh16 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6UDmuF05597 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stan, In a message dated 7/30/03 12:36:33 AM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: >btw i love my . i bought it when they came out (my 1st looper) >in the early 80s and have been using it on and off since then. it is now >a permanent part of my rig. nothin like it in the world. Just thought I'd pipe in an say that I bought 2 of those things when they first came out too. I even made a pilgrimage to the factory in NYC (way back when it was still there) just to meet Mike Matthews personally. Those EH 16-Second DDLs were my first digital loopers as well (of any appreciable delay length). I still occasionally miss 'em. I also had the outboard control footswitches so the units themselves were always in my rack and never on the floor -- one of the reasons (I suspect) that mine lasted me so long. I was able to sell them off for quite a bit when the time finally came. I had 'em for 15 years and they were still pretty darn pristine -- both functionally and cosmetically. They were funky and rather lo-fi by today's standards. But they did a lot of interesting things -- speed switching, modulation, reverse -- that were very cool and unique (for back then). Anyway, I remember telling Mike Matthews on the phone (before I went to meet him) that it was just like having ol' Robert Fripp in a box. And, now you know the rest of the story. Heheh. BTW -- At the factory I actually got to see an physical mockup of the never- released EH 64-Second DDL in a glass case in someone's office. I wonder what ever happened to that project? Did they ever get it to the working stage? We'll probably never know. At the time, 64 seconds seemed like an ungodly amount of delay capacity. I'll never regret getting my EDPs though. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 10:00:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UDwm807178; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:58:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:58:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <76.30372ff3.2c592907@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:58:31 EDT Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6UDwlF07149 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 7/29/03 6:02:16 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >I guess my main issue is those three boxes are in a pile with 6 other >boxes all of which play a big part in what has become my schtick. The >upside is I can do amazing things with my pile of boxes. The downside >is I've created a monster that doesn't like to travel. I sure hear you there! I've got 16 rack spaces, 4 cabs and more floor "toys and gizmos" than I ever thought I'd ever wind up with. However, the problem is: I ACTUALLY USE IT ALL. >From a 50-year old "old guy" with back problems and no roadie. Heheh. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 10:41:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UEafl12905; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:36:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:36:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:36:36 -0700 Subject: Re: which multi effects box ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3F27885F.15299.4198AE@localhost> Message-Id: <39057268-C29B-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <1CschC.A.hJD.5f9J_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 12:57 AM, nick@12testing.net wrote: > Whilst there's probably such a beast out there, my advice is to keep > things separate - the biggest drawback to having it in one box means > you're unlikley to have the facility to change eq/reverb etc whilst > keeping your loops going. This will seriously limit the development of > your loops. While I agree that the best for flexibility is having separate devices for different jobs, the MPX-G2 allows for all kind of perimeter manipulation via CC while the loop is going. Because you can put the looper anywhere in the chain, you can either effect the loop or what you're putting into the loop. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 10:42:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UEc3F13150; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: RE: eh16 click question Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:37:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stanner spake: the led @the top of the clock fader blinks in time w/ the click as you move the fader up the speed increases and the clix get so close together it become noise. there is no control for volume of the click unless you hook a pot or volped of some kind to the output jack for the clock. Mr. Taruim uses the click from one of his loopers, pitch shifted down, as a percussion device. Is this the one? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 11:22:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UFHig18796; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:17:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:17:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:15:45 -0500 Message-ID: <009801c356ad$735e59c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com remember, my main objection was that some audio looping concepts don't make much sense in a midi looper. i really like the idea of a midi looper. > ... > > yeah, you can work around some of this, but it will be weird to get > > used to using it, and in some cases will defeat, > > You're right of course. I just meant that there are many > ways to get around the "problems" you've brought up. I think > its going to depend on the player which is way makes the most sense. > clearly such a device would have to be user configurable. >... > normally if I want two lines going at the > same moment, they'd be on two different channels, or at least > two different registers of the keyboard. > the problem with a bump at the loop point in audio loopers is usually are associated with drones and such. this would cause overlapping note pairs on the second pass. ex. hit record, play long cluster or single note, hit overdub when you immediately get another note-on on what you are holding. then when you release during the loop, subsequent playbacks will have a short (relatively) note or cluster followed by silence. > > i don't see that as all that graceful. if you ignore cc commands > > while overdubbing, you are hardly overdubbing. notes have similar > > I'm not sure, but I would bet that most commonly CC commands > come in "bursts". In other words mostly you've got constant > CC values, but sometimes a pedal is moved (a burst of CC > messages) and then you settle back into constant CC value. > You could identify "bursts" and keep track of their duration > - got me? Then the user could choose either replace or > ignore when overdubbing with CCs. ignore would basically > ignore new bursts that overlap old ones, while replace > ditches all old bursts that overlap with new incomming ones. > this is a good idea. again, it must be user configurable. but it is always dangerous to make assumptions about how people will use a device. i commonly use a continuous controller with my analog delay to manually chorus or get weird with pitch shift/feedback oscillation. this result in a very continuous stream of cc. (obviously i haven't tried looping the cc) also i could see using a switched cc (64=on,0=off) where the user would want to insert switch changes rapidly for example for the glitchy stuff susinsert allows for on the edp. you wouldn't want those magically removed for you... >... >... ALWAYS go straight into "selective overdub" when > exiting record mode which to means that it will be in overdub > - but only listening to note-off commands that would close up > a note already in the main loop. > see above comments on loop point bump. >... > > hmmm... thorsten's midibox as a looper... > > maybe you should ask him! > i'll bet he would say "great idea, why don't you make it" which i might do after i make the stock mf module and then my cc footpedal we discussed at length. > > did anybody make it this far down? > > obviously. > Jon > good stuff... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 11:23:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UFLpK19292; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:21:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:21:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:19:52 -0500 Message-ID: <009901c356ae$0654e0f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008701c35584$7f391fc0$15a8a8c0@NOLA> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > now let me bring up a couple of neat ideas that make a > > midi looper a cool idea: > > To the ones Jon mentions, I would add: > > * easy algorithmic processing on the looping data (e.g. > a simple fractal algorithm on a small phrase produces > lots of complexity) > * Forcing tonality on the notes, adjusting them to a particular scale > * Forcing atonality (adding slight randomness to pitches) > * Filter half the notes out, making it less dense and > new rhythms emerge > * Convert some of the notes into chords > * etc. > > It's different than audio, and there are pros and cons. > I'm a happy MIDI looper, but I can't say I've explored even > a small fraction of what you could do. I tend to combine > looping with exploration in controllers and other things. See: > these are some really cool ideas, but i think only feasible in a software looper. > http://nosuch.com/images/bm2003 > > for a description of what might be the biggest looping instrument in the world. > (I doubt that it is, but it'll be interesting to hear about the bigger ones.) > Come to Burning Man and check it out! > > ...Tim... wow, way cool... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 11:26:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UFMac19466; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:22:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:22:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:20:37 -0500 Message-ID: <009a01c356ae$218ddf70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2MI4ZB.A.CwE.8K-J_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > MIDI looping shouldn't try to recreate audio looping. You can > use audio loopers for that. But it should try to recreate the > live feel of building and evolving the material as you go. > > Mark > excellent point. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 11:43:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UFcSi21558; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:38:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:38:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.35.212.239] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Subject: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:38:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C35686.B0AE86A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:38:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2003 15:38:21.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B7980D0:01C356B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C35686.B0AE86A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0076_01C35686.B0B00D40" ------=_NextPart_001_0076_01C35686.B0B00D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. I am a new poster to the list, although I have actually been = reading various parts of the entire Looper's Delight site for the last 4 = years. I've been looping since 1994, when I got my first Lexicon Jam = Man. For most of the 90s, I used to Jam Mans for stereo looping, = although I switched to using Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses for stereo = looping about a year ago. Anyhow, I was writing to ask a couple of questions I was having trouble = getting answered just by looking through the site and by searching the = mailing list archive. a) I'm thinking about getting a repeater to supplement my EDPs, and I = was wondering--does the Repeater do seamless looping if you play an = eight bar measure and then, at the end of the eighth bar, you press the = record button to start the loop? In other words, does the audio play = straight through without any "skipping sounds" or "gaps" in the audio?=20 By seamless here, I mean simply the sound--I understand that the = Repeater will not start the loop and go immediately into overdub mode = (like the EDP), making it more like the old Jam Man in this way, which = is how some use the term "seamless." My concern is that the looper make = no skipping sound if I want to do a "direct loop" this way. This is how = I mean to use "seamless" in this context. I currently own a GNX-3 that was supposed to work as a full-function = looper, but it has this problem where it doesn't do the kind of seamless = loop to which I refer above unless you set up an empty "dummy track" = ahead of time, and then, after the "blank track" is recorded, you can do = a "live" seamless loop. Which isn't really live the way I describe it = (live to me means the Jam Man or EDP, and possibly the Repeater(?)) . . = .=20 Someone on the Digitech site suggested the "dummy track" solution I just = mentioned, and he made it sound like people had to do the same thing on = the Repeater to get it to work right with this type of seamless loop . . = .this is why I needed to ask.=20 b) Anyone else out there using the GNX-3 for looping? I haven't seen = much about it on this Web site (no reviews, for example), and was = wondering if anyone had any thoughts on it? The lack of seamless looping on it as a default setting is somewhat = annoying, although I can work around it. Or maybe I'm just missing = something in set up and you can actually get it to do it? Thanks, David Durian ------=_NextPart_001_0076_01C35686.B0B00D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello. I am a new poster to the list, although I have actually = been=20 reading various parts of the entire Looper's Delight site for the last 4 = years.=20 I've been looping since 1994, when I got my first Lexicon Jam Man. For = most of=20 the 90s, I used to Jam Mans for stereo looping, although I switched to = using=20 Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses for stereo looping about a year ago.
 
Anyhow, I was writing to ask a couple of questions I was having = trouble=20 getting answered just by looking through the site and by searching the = mailing=20 list archive.
 
a) I'm thinking about getting a repeater to supplement my EDPs, and = I was=20 wondering--does the Repeater do seamless looping if you play an eight = bar=20 measure and then, at the end of the eighth bar, you press the record = button to=20 start the loop? In other words, does the audio play straight through = without any=20 "skipping sounds" or "gaps" in the audio?
 
By seamless here, I mean simply the sound--I understand that the = Repeater=20 will not start the loop and go immediately into overdub mode (like the = EDP),=20 making it more like the old Jam Man in this way, which is how some use = the term=20 "seamless." My concern is that the looper make no skipping sound if I = want to do=20 a "direct loop" this way. This is how I mean to use "seamless" in this=20 context.
 
I currently own a GNX-3 that was supposed to work as a = full-function=20 looper, but it has this problem where it doesn't do the kind of seamless = loop to=20 which I refer above unless you set up an empty "dummy track" ahead of = time, and=20 then, after the "blank track" is recorded, you can do a "live" seamless = loop.=20 Which isn't really live the way I describe it (live to me means the Jam = Man or=20 EDP, and possibly the Repeater(?)) . . . 
 
Someone on the Digitech site suggested the "dummy track" solution I = just=20 mentioned, and he made it sound like people had to do the same thing on = the=20 Repeater to get it to work right with this type of seamless loop . . = .this is=20 why I needed to ask. 3D"Smiley
 
b) Anyone else out there using the GNX-3 for looping? I haven't = seen much=20 about it on this Web site (no reviews, for example), and was wondering = if anyone=20 had any thoughts on it?
 
The lack of seamless looping on it as a default setting is somewhat = annoying, although I can work around it. Or maybe I'm just missing = something in=20 set up and you can actually get it to do it?
 
Thanks,
 
David Durian
------=_NextPart_001_0076_01C35686.B0B00D40-- ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C35686.B0AE86A0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Emoticon1.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <007401c356b0$9970b880$efd423c7@woodyallen> R0lGODlhEwATALMPAPXv3v3pTvDHOei2K9u4a9qoLunPkLGLMdOZKfvbQMeyl5p4J+7JbrebXoAy GAAAACH5BAEAAA8ALAAAAAATABMAAASu8EkJDBNjMAOmf5UgJEGQJBj3AVfpuslAdBRDvu8p04YQ CIuFrzQIDgQFA2i4AAAWruYTgwiVFopnNCsUICy3hUMBvY67hcYwIHaU2Q43ZnAYuIDCUixYmC8G NzgmJyIZBQcXgYMnKIUDCA09jA4FgCcFCA4ZdFlHl5SbmQiGBx0GR0iZcXEIo5wUBH1ImK2tGQcN NCCxm70Dh7krBq2VvwgHB1kfExUNBwu4yh4RADs= ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C35686.B0AE86A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 12:07:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UG4xR25458; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:04:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:04:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01c356b4$0d13a880$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009a01c356ae$218ddf70$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > Anyone else out there using the GNX-3 for looping? >... i use the gnx-3, but i mostly use the edp for looping. i keep hoping a software upgrade will be done for the gnx to make it a "real" looper. as it is it's (as line6 has reportedly said about the echo pro's looper) just for fun. on the other hand, you supposedly can make a basic loop on the gnx and sync the edp to it. perhaps i will try that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 12:38:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UGZhD30413; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401c356b8$58a47550$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2BPskD.A.GbH.fP_J_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > My thoughts: WindowingT with the EDP is all about redefining > loop length. >... windowing is about keeping the loop length and moving the start point. long press of undo moves the start/end points in loop-sized increments, short press allows moving it to the middle of a loop, but the size stays the same in both cases. it's lots of fun. > BTW, I alerted Harvey Starr to the thread and expect him to start >auditing this list (perhaps . . .) so I would appreciate it if anyone >with the information would talk about how the EDP determines BPM by loop size. there is a parameter called 8ths per cycle. once a loop is created, bpm is calculated using loop length and the 8ths per cycle setting. i'm assuming it uses the formula: 8ths_per_cycle/2/((sample_count/sample_rate)/60) i'm sure it would be optimized to avoid all the divides, though. as i recall it, there was no fpu on the 68000... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 15:07:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UJ6Vh07395; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:06:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:06:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:05:34 -0700 Subject: Re: eh16 click question From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Mr. Taruim uses the click from one of his loopers, pitch shifted down, as a > percussion device. Is this the one? > Gary ouch-my secrets out! no gary the boom boom boom is the clickclock out from the lexicon pcm42. (which has many of the same bells&whistles as the 16secddl but has a much better sample rate and s/n ratio and looplength. fwiw -- stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 15:13:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UJ0Ti06019; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:00:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:00:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.109.224.63] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: Subject: RE: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:00:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C356A2.E7BC64C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:00:16 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2003 19:00:18.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1C101B0:01C356CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C356A2.E7BC64C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >i use the gnx-3, but i mostly use the edp for looping. >i keep hoping a software upgrade will be done for the gnx >to make it a "real" looper. as it is it's (as line6 has >reportedly said about the echo pro's looper) just for fun. >on the other hand, you supposedly can make a basic loop on >the gnx and sync the edp to it. perhaps i will try that. Jim, So, do you have the same problem with the GNX-3 inserting that "skipping = noise" at the beginning of your loops? Do you know any fixes for it? Yeah, I downloaded the 1.4 upgrade hoping it would fix all the looping = issues, but alas, no it doesn't. I wanted to use the GNX-3 for storage and playback, to supplement my = EDPs, but now I'm thinking I should go with the Repeater for this = purpose instead. David ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C356A2.E7BC64C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>i use the gnx-3, but i mostly use the edp for looping.
>i = keep=20 hoping a software upgrade will be done for the gnx
>to make it a = "real"=20 looper.  as it is it's (as line6 has
>reportedly said about = the echo=20 pro's looper) just for fun.

>on the other hand, you supposedly = can=20 make a basic loop on
>the gnx and sync the edp to it.  = perhaps i will=20 try that.
 
Jim,
 
So, do you have the same problem with the GNX-3 inserting that = "skipping=20 noise" at the beginning of your loops?
 
Do you know any fixes for it?
 
Yeah, I downloaded the 1.4 upgrade hoping it would fix all the = looping=20 issues, but alas, no it doesn't.
 
I wanted to use the GNX-3 for storage and playback, to supplement = my EDPs,=20 but now I'm thinking I should go with the Repeater for this purpose=20 instead.
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C356A2.E7BC64C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 15:15:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UJ5lg07296; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:24:21 -0700 Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 99ac0190 aee23e9e df127625 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <009f01c356b4$0d13a880$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 09:03 AM, Jim Palmer wrote: > i use the gnx-3, but i mostly use the edp for looping. > i keep hoping a software upgrade will be done for the gnx > to make it a "real" looper. as it is it's (as line6 has > reportedly said about the echo pro's looper) just for fun. I'm looking for a looper that's mainly for torture, with no fun attributes at all. Perhaps Digitech can develop a product like that. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 15:25:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UJ5kM07268; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:19:36 -0700 Subject: Re: midi looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 3aafb21c aee23e9e df127625 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <009901c356ae$0654e0f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 08:19 AM, Jim Palmer wrote: >> > these are some really cool ideas, but i think only feasible in a > software looper. > I'm not sure what you mean by that, as doesn't all software ultimately run on hardware? Whether or not it's a PC or some dedicated device may have issues in the cost of development, I couldn't imagine how they would effect the possibility of such a device. Usually dedicated hardware is a bit better for such things. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 15:26:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UJ5lw07321; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:33:51 -0700 Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--325147192 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 404ed7d1 aee23e9e df127625 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--325147192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Welcome to the list David. If you do a search on the Repeater and seamless loops on the archives,=20= you'll probably come up with volumes on this topic. I'll give you the=20= Reader's Digest version. Yes, the Repeater does exactly what you're asking of it. No delay. =20 Just like a JamMan, which was my first MIDI syncable looper. However,=20= there is a tiny volume bump at the loop start point. How tiny? I=20 never, ever hear it. Is it there? Sure is. If I play a single sine=20 wave with no attack or volume change into the Repeater, I can hear it. =20= Others here trying to do drones have complained about it. I've posted=20= two tracks on http://www.mp3.com/0crossing The first one is JamMan=20 looping, the second is all Repeater. How did you get two JamMans to do stereo? Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 08:38 AM, David Durian wrote: > Hello. I am a new poster to the list, although I=A0have actually been=20= > reading various parts of the entire Looper's Delight site for the last=20= > 4 years. I've been looping since 1994, when I got my first Lexicon Jam=20= > Man. For most of the 90s, I used to Jam Mans for stereo looping,=20 > although I switched to using Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses for stereo=20 > looping about a year ago. > =A0 > Anyhow, I was writing to ask a couple of questions I was having=20 > trouble getting answered just by looking through the site and by=20 > searching the mailing list archive. > =A0 > a) I'm thinking about getting a repeater to supplement my EDPs, and I=20= > was wondering--does the Repeater do seamless looping if you play an=20 > eight bar measure and then, at the end of the eighth bar, you press=20 > the record button to start the loop? In other words, does the audio=20 > play straight through without any "skipping sounds" or "gaps" in the=20= > audio? > =A0 > By seamless here, I mean simply the sound--I understand that the=20 > Repeater will not start the loop and go immediately into overdub mode=20= > (like the EDP), making it more like the old Jam Man in this way, which=20= > is how some use the term "seamless." My concern is that the looper=20 > make no skipping sound if I want to do a "direct loop" this way. This=20= > is how I mean to use "seamless" in this context. > =A0 > I currently own a GNX-3 that was supposed to work as a full-function=20= > looper, but it has this problem where it doesn't do the kind of=20 > seamless loop to which I refer above unless you set up an empty "dummy=20= > track" ahead of time, and then, after the "blank track" is recorded,=20= > you can do a "live" seamless loop. Which isn't really live the way I=20= > describe it (live to me means the Jam Man or EDP, and possibly the=20 > Repeater(?)) . . .=A0 > =A0 > Someone on the Digitech site suggested the "dummy track" solution I=20 > just mentioned, and he made it sound like people had to do the same=20 > thing on the Repeater to get it to work right with this type of=20 > seamless loop . . .this is why I needed to ask. > =A0 > b) Anyone else out there using the GNX-3 for looping? I haven't seen=20= > much about it on this Web site (no reviews, for example), and was=20 > wondering if anyone had any thoughts on it? > =A0 > The lack of seamless looping on it as a default setting is somewhat=20 > annoying, although I can work around it. Or maybe I'm just missing=20 > something in set up and you can actually get it to do it? > =A0 > Thanks, > =A0 > David Durian --Apple-Mail-2--325147192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Welcome to the list David. If you do a search on the Repeater and seamless loops on the archives, you'll probably come up with volumes on this topic. I'll give you the Reader's Digest version. Yes, the Repeater does exactly what you're asking of it. No delay.=20 Just like a JamMan, which was my first MIDI syncable looper. However, there is a tiny volume bump at the loop start point. How tiny? I never, ever hear it. Is it there? Sure is. If I play a single sine wave with no attack or volume change into the Repeater, I can hear it.=20= Others here trying to do drones have complained about it. I've posted two tracks on http://www.mp3.com/0crossing The first one is JamMan looping, the second is all Repeater. How did you get two JamMans to do stereo? Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 08:38 AM, David Durian wrote: Hello. I am a new poster to the list, although I=A0have actually been reading various parts of the entire Looper's Delight site for the last 4 years. I've been looping since 1994, when I got my first Lexicon Jam Man. For most of the 90s, I used to Jam Mans for stereo looping, although I switched to using Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses for stereo looping about a year ago. =A0 Anyhow, I was writing to ask a couple of questions I was having trouble getting answered just by looking through the site and by searching the mailing list archive. =A0 a) I'm thinking about getting a repeater to supplement my EDPs, and I was wondering--does the Repeater do seamless looping if you play an eight bar measure and then, at the end of the eighth bar, you press the record button to start the loop? In other words, does the audio play straight through without any "skipping sounds" or "gaps" in the audio? =A0 By seamless here, I mean simply the sound--I understand that the Repeater will not start the loop and go immediately into overdub mode (like the EDP), making it more like the old Jam Man in this way, which is how some use the term "seamless." My concern is that the looper make no skipping sound if I want to do a "direct loop" this way. This is how I mean to use "seamless" in this context. =A0 I currently own a GNX-3 that was supposed to work as a full-function looper, but it has this problem where it doesn't do the kind of seamless loop to which I refer above unless you set up an empty "dummy track" ahead of time, and then, after the "blank track" is recorded, you can do a "live" seamless loop. Which isn't really live the way I describe it (live to me means the Jam Man or EDP, and possibly the Repeater(?)) . . .=A0 =A0 Someone on the Digitech site suggested the "dummy track" solution I just mentioned, and he made it sound like people had to do the same thing on the Repeater to get it to work right with this type of seamless loop . . .this is why I needed to ask. < =A0 b) Anyone else out there using the GNX-3 for looping? I haven't seen much about it on this Web site (no reviews, for example), and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on it? =A0 The lack of seamless looping on it as a default setting is somewhat annoying, although I can work around it. Or maybe I'm just missing something in set up and you can actually get it to do it? =A0 Thanks, =A0 David Durian = --Apple-Mail-2--325147192-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 15:49:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UJcna12727; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:38:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:38:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f301c356d1$8bab0360$1801c151@nuno> From: "Nuno Climaco Pinto" To: References: Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:34:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01F0_01C356D9.E9604BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 30-07-2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <4G2JQC.A.xGD.I7BK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F0_01C356D9.E9604BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark: my Repeater is and always was bump free. I can doo beautifull = soudscapes, drones, rythmic looping etc; without a single problem. Maybe = my unit is defective:-) Best. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: msottilaro=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Welcome to the list David. If you do a search on the Repeater and seamless loops on the archives, = you'll probably come up with volumes on this topic. I'll give you the = Reader's Digest version. Yes, the Repeater does exactly what you're asking of it. No delay. = Just like a JamMan, which was my first MIDI syncable looper. However, = there is a tiny volume bump at the loop start point. How tiny? I never, = ever hear it. Is it there? Sure is. If I play a single sine wave with no = attack or volume change into the Repeater, I can hear it. Others here = trying to do drones have complained about it. I've posted two tracks on = http://www.mp3.com/0crossing The first one is JamMan looping, the second = is all Repeater. How did you get two JamMans to do stereo? Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 08:38 AM, David Durian wrote: Hello. I am a new poster to the list, although I have actually been = reading various parts of the entire Looper's Delight site for the last 4 = years. I've been looping since 1994, when I got my first Lexicon Jam = Man. For most of the 90s, I used to Jam Mans for stereo looping, = although I switched to using Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses for stereo = looping about a year ago. =20 Anyhow, I was writing to ask a couple of questions I was having = trouble getting answered just by looking through the site and by = searching the mailing list archive. =20 a) I'm thinking about getting a repeater to supplement my EDPs, and = I was wondering--does the Repeater do seamless looping if you play an = eight bar measure and then, at the end of the eighth bar, you press the = record button to start the loop? In other words, does the audio play = straight through without any "skipping sounds" or "gaps" in the audio? =20 By seamless here, I mean simply the sound--I understand that the = Repeater will not start the loop and go immediately into overdub mode = (like the EDP), making it more like the old Jam Man in this way, which = is how some use the term "seamless." My concern is that the looper make = no skipping sound if I want to do a "direct loop" this way. This is how = I mean to use "seamless" in this context. =20 I currently own a GNX-3 that was supposed to work as a full-function = looper, but it has this problem where it doesn't do the kind of seamless = loop to which I refer above unless you set up an empty "dummy track" = ahead of time, and then, after the "blank track" is recorded, you can do = a "live" seamless loop. Which isn't really live the way I describe it = (live to me means the Jam Man or EDP, and possibly the Repeater(?)) . . = .=20 =20 Someone on the Digitech site suggested the "dummy track" solution I = just mentioned, and he made it sound like people had to do the same = thing on the Repeater to get it to work right with this type of seamless = loop . . .this is why I needed to ask. =20 b) Anyone else out there using the GNX-3 for looping? I haven't seen = much about it on this Web site (no reviews, for example), and was = wondering if anyone had any thoughts on it? =20 The lack of seamless looping on it as a default setting is somewhat = annoying, although I can work around it. Or maybe I'm just missing = something in set up and you can actually get it to do it? =20 Thanks, =20 David Durian ------=_NextPart_000_01F0_01C356D9.E9604BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark: my Repeater is and always was = bump free. I=20 can doo beautifull soudscapes, drones, rythmic looping etc; without = a=20 single problem. Maybe my unit is defective:-)
 
Best.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 msottilaro
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 = 6:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater=20 Questions

Welcome to the list David.

If you do a search on = the=20 Repeater and seamless loops on the archives, you'll probably come up = with=20 volumes on this topic. I'll give you the Reader's Digest = version.

Yes,=20 the Repeater does exactly what you're asking of it. No delay. Just = like a=20 JamMan, which was my first MIDI syncable looper. However, there is a = tiny=20 volume bump at the loop start point. How tiny? I never, ever hear it. = Is it=20 there? Sure is. If I play a single sine wave with no attack or volume = change=20 into the Repeater, I can hear it. Others here trying to do drones have = complained about it. I've posted two tracks on = http://www.mp3.com/0crossing=20 The first one is JamMan looping, the second is all = Repeater.

How did=20 you get two JamMans to do stereo?

Mark Sottilaro

On = Wednesday,=20 July 30, 2003, at 08:38 AM, David Durian wrote:

Hello. I am a new poster to the list, although I have = actually been reading various parts of the entire Looper's Delight = site for=20 the last 4 years. I've been looping since 1994, when I got my first = Lexicon=20 Jam Man. For most of the 90s, I used to Jam Mans for stereo looping, = although I switched to using Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses for stereo = looping=20 about a year ago.
 
Anyhow, I was writing to ask a couple = of=20 questions I was having trouble getting answered just by looking = through the=20 site and by searching the mailing list archive.
 
a) I'm = thinking=20 about getting a repeater to supplement my EDPs, and I was = wondering--does=20 the Repeater do seamless looping if you play an eight bar measure = and then,=20 at the end of the eighth bar, you press the record button to start = the loop?=20 In other words, does the audio play straight through without any = "skipping=20 sounds" or "gaps" in the audio?
 
By seamless here, I = mean simply=20 the sound--I understand that the Repeater will not start the loop = and go=20 immediately into overdub mode (like the EDP), making it more like = the old=20 Jam Man in this way, which is how some use the term "seamless." My = concern=20 is that the looper make no skipping sound if I want to do a "direct = loop"=20 this way. This is how I mean to use "seamless" in this=20 context.
 
I currently own a GNX-3 that was supposed to = work as a=20 full-function looper, but it has this problem where it doesn't do = the kind=20 of seamless loop to which I refer above unless you set up an empty = "dummy=20 track" ahead of time, and then, after the "blank track" is recorded, = you can=20 do a "live" seamless loop. Which isn't really live the way I = describe it=20 (live to me means the Jam Man or EDP, and possibly the Repeater(?)) = . .=20 . 
 
Someone on the Digitech site suggested the = "dummy=20 track" solution I just mentioned, and he made it sound like people = had to do=20 the same thing on the Repeater to get it to work right with this = type of=20 seamless loop . . .this is why I needed to ask.=20 <image.tiff>
 
b) Anyone else out there using the = GNX-3 for=20 looping? I haven't seen much about it on this Web site (no reviews, = for=20 example), and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on=20 it?
 
The lack of seamless looping on it as a default = setting is=20 somewhat annoying, although I can work around it. Or maybe I'm just = missing=20 something in set up and you can actually get it to do=20 it?
 
Thanks,
 
David=20 Durian
------=_NextPart_000_01F0_01C356D9.E9604BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 15:50:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UJmPE14426; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:48:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:48:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00d101c356d3$43af3570$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woahhh, my sarcasmometer just went off the scale. actually, i think digitech already makes a few such products... > > I'm looking for a looper that's mainly for torture, with no fun > attributes at all. Perhaps Digitech can develop a product like that. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 15:58:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UJrdw15228; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:53:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:53:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: midi looper Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:51:41 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601c356d3$ff3be770$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com note that i said "feasible" not "possible" you would need a pretty elaborate interface to allow for arbitrary transform functions, which makes it a bit difficult to implement in dedicated hardware... maybe what i really meant was "inconfeasible" "you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means..." -inigo montoya > > On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 08:19 AM, Jim Palmer wrote: > >> > > these are some really cool ideas, but i think only feasible in a > > software looper. > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by that, as doesn't all software > ultimately > run on hardware? Whether or not it's a PC or some dedicated > device may > have issues in the cost of development, I couldn't imagine how they > would effect the possibility of such a device. Usually dedicated > hardware is a bit better for such things. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 15:59:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UJkj614173; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:46:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:46:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:44:45 -0500 Message-ID: <00ce01c356d3$07d8e910$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009f01c356b4$0d13a880$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So, do you have the same problem with the GNX-3 inserting that > "skipping noise" at the beginning of your loops? haven't noticed it, but like i said i haven't used the looper much after realizing it wasn't a "real" looper will play with it a bit. are you sure it isn't just inaccurate button pushes or latency in the button pushes? i noticed switching patches has a bit of latency (quite annoying) > Yeah, I downloaded the 1.4 upgrade hoping it would fix all the > looping issues, but alas, no it doesn't. downloaded it but have yet to install it. looks like it comes in a binhex type format, and the the drums are separate files. might be cool to muck around with those a bit... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 16:07:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UK4dD17274; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:04:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:04:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: gig spam: hudak/tovsky performance From: bruce tovsky To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0A044E98-C2C9-11D7-A60A-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all while i'm just doing video, john is using max/msp to create some very long loops. hope you can come. b an evening of improvisational analog and digital sounds electronics , turntable, cassette tape , and computer seasonal monthly series of listening environments welcomes: john hudak with bruce tovsky (new york) jason talbot and howard stelzer (boston) jason soliday (chicago) brent gutzeit (chicago) opening and closing sounds from carlos giffoni (new york) projections from b owen (ny) sponsored by free103 fm http://www.seasonalbk.net john hudak and bruce tovsky performance title: "rabbit in a cage" to the side of a wooded path a rabbit in a cage i feel my years john hudak, guitar/processing bruce tovsky, video/processing performance coincides with release of: "old moon" (2 - 3" CDr) on http://www.kissyrecords.com seasonal aug 3 2003 . 8pm $5 office ops . 57 thames st. L train to morgan ave brooklyn new york http://www.officeops.org (3d directions to space) bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 16:31:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UKPle19783; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:25:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:25:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030730202540.28387.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: erika li Subject: fix repeater? get rid of ticking computer clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1924677115-1059596740=:27579" Resent-Message-ID: <8hsNyD.A.-0E.LnCK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1924677115-1059596740=:27579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody know how to get rid of the incessant computer clock ticking that occurs when routing a signal through the left input? Is there a fix through a software update or can it be repaired in some way to create an electronic buffer of some sort? It drives me nuts!! thanks! erika --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1924677115-1059596740=:27579 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Anybody know how to get rid of the incessant computer clock ticking that occurs when routing a signal through the left input?  Is there a fix through a software update or can it be repaired in some way to create an electronic buffer of some sort?  It drives me nuts!!
 
thanks!
erika

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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-1924677115-1059596740=:27579-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 16:57:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UKtSQ24054; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:55:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:55:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7840115.1059598524042.JavaMail.nobody@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:55:23 -0800 (GMT) From: Travis Hartnett To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig spam [Seattle, WA]: Tiktok @ Contour, Wednesday 7/30/03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be playing (guitar, loops) tonight (Wednesday) at the Contour with a DJ (Jamison Borque) and bassist (Martin Fischer), doing an improv set of chilled-out grooves interspersed with backwards guitar epilepsy. Show starts at 9, ends around 10, admission is free. Contour is in Seattle, at 807 1st Avenue. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 16:59:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UKbiQ21726; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:37:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:37:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <134.23435a4d.2c598689@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:37:29 EDT Subject: Re: eh16 click question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6UKbhW21699 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, In a message dated 7/30/03 12:06:46 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: >>Mr. Taruim uses the click from one of his loopers, pitch shifted down, >>as a percussion device. Is this the one? > >ouch-my secrets out! >no gary the boom boom boom is the clickclock out from the lexicon pcm >42 (which has many of the same bells&whistles as the 16secddl but has >a much better sample rate and s/n ratio and looplength. fwiw Another groovy trick is to use the output of the EH click track to drive other devices that respond to any sort of "ticking clock" input. A long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away) Roland/Boss used to make a few devices that could be triggered this way. One among them was the entry-level Boss drum machine from the 80s the Boss Dr-220 (Dr. Rhythm). Another was the S-10, one of Rolands first keyboard samplers. It had an arpeggiator feature that could be driven by an EH's clock out (or any other pulse for that mater (say . . . a microphone in a kick drum for example). My favorite trick of all involved the fact that although the "clock" slider on the EH traveled smoothly and continuously, the actual adjustment made to the clock timing was in regular "steps" (in multiples of 2). However, you could fiddle with it some to get "in-between" settings which would "hiccup" strangely and drop out pulses every now and then at intervals. What I'd regularly do was have the EH 16-Second DDL's clock out set to one of these "spastic" time settings and use it to drive a Boss Dr-220. Then I'd have the audio out of the Dr-220 drive the arpeggiator input of the Roland S-10 (on a random, plus-or-minus 2-octave "arp pattern" setting). This resulted in some truly sick and whacky music that seemed to subtly change and evolve within a narrow range (even if I used ordinary sounds like piano, etc.) and still always stayed in perfect sync with my guitar going through the EH's delays. These Roland/Boss devices are both seen on eBay for under $100 from time to time. So, if you already have an EH 16-Second DDL (or two) it might be a cheap way to check out some new funny/creative music possibilities. Another use of the clock out of the EH 16-Second DDL (if you had 2 of them) was in synching 2 EH units together for a "stereo pair" of sorts. This was done by temporarily sending the clock signal (on the slowest setting) of one EH unit into the input of the other one and listening to hear if there was a "flam" before or after the click after the loop cycled by a few times when played through on the other unit. If you are very, very careful indeed (and have good ears) you can listen to that "flaming" sound go in and out of phase with itself and adjust the timing on both machines so closely and minutely that they will take minutes before they finally wander out of phase with each other by even so much as a note. This process takes a few minutes and is usually annoying as heck to the other musicians setting up on stage (heheh) when you do it. But if synched stereo is important to you, it can be achieved even with these old digital dinosaurs. Out of my two supposedly identical units there was one which was always slightly faster (the maximum delay was slightly shorter) than the other one by a tiny fraction. This method helped me fix the problem. Keeping the units in a rack drawer kept them from being bumped out of alignment accidentally (most of the time) after they were synched up. Now, this "stereo pair" was not the same as an EDP stereo pair. No, you still had to turn the units on and off individually with the stompswitches (as far as delay and hold functions went). However, you could get a pretty nice pair of "locked in" loops going that didn't wander all over the place (phase/timing-wise). Plus, by using the reverse button on one unit only you could get the unique sound of your loop coming at you in both forwards and backward simultaneously in stereo (imagine a sound going in your right ear forwards and seeming to exit your left ear backwards). I haven't thought about this stuff in years. Those were fun times. Now everything is a digital "preset" on an expensive back box (or whatever color your multiprocessor or looper is). I enjoyed doing goofy things back then. It don't find myself experimenting nearly so much any more. One has to read too dang many badly-written manuals to get to the "interesting stuff" that the new stuff is supposed to be capable of. Okay . . . end of "old guy" rant. Harrrumph. Enjoy! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 17:01:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UL00524683; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:00:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:01:06 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c356dd$b21e57c0$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm looking for a looper that's mainly > for torture, with no fun attributes at > all. Perhaps Digitech can develop a > product like that. > > Mark Hey! I've got just the thing for you! It's a hardware box style of looper...as a matter of fact...it's just a box. But its really very high quality, corrugated, post-consumer (nod to the Greens), cardboard. By intent (mostly), the outside is a wonderful light brown (except for a slightly used shipping label) so you can fully customize its graceful appearance. Indeed, I will include *for free* the special "Crayola" graphic design kit. Add your own user interface! Currently, it loops John Cage's 4'33" perfectly. The next software update should expand its repertoire. Available from off-the-shelf stock. :D Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 17:19:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ULIUU27346; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:18:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:18:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.197.47.139] X-Originating-Email: [moreilly2001@hotmail.com] From: "Michael O'Reilly" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: which multi effects box Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:18:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2003 21:18:24.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C491340:01C356E0] Resent-Message-ID: <_i5qeB.A.HrG.mYDK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks posters - you have given me a _great_ deal to think about - I feel like I am on solid ground getting my head around all this. this is a great list. My only experience with infinite reverb was a lexicon device (the model of which I _cannot_ for the life of me remember) that I worked with in a recording studio in 1987 (!). It had big ol LED's for the delay time. You could go to liek 99 and then turn it one more notch (the LED would show two dashes) and whatever was in the reverb would be sustained like a chord - had a great time with that (does this description ring a bell for anyone ?) - could probably get one of these cheap n ebay if I knew whihc one it was Though it sounds like I would probably be able to create something similar (via a different workflow/set up) with the EDP which of course came out on top followed by the G-force and then the MPX G2. No word from M.Brook after I thanked him for the referral and asked him what he was working on - which of course is not surprising - I don't think he is on the list but knows of it. thanks again Michael O'Reilly _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 17:19:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6ULGm227087; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:16:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:16:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030730211647.30323.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:16:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Fabio Katz Reply-To: fabiokatz@yahoo.com Subject: FS: EDP [LOOP3 v. 5.0 - 198s] 450 USD + shipping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I reduced the price on my EDP. It's in Canada in a box ready to be shipped. If interested email me directly at fabiokatz@yahoo.com Thanks, Fabio __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 18:10:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UM6s502037; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:06:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:06:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.109.224.63] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: References: Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:06:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C356BC.F13D6980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:06:39 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2003 22:06:45.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDC26FC0:01C356E6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C356BC.F13D6980 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00AE_01C356BC.F13D6980" ------=_NextPart_001_00AE_01C356BC.F13D6980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt, Thanks for the welcome. I'll have to check out your mp3s . . . I'm on = dial up at the moment, so it will take me a little while. I got the Jam Mans to do stereo by using a y splitter cable that allowed = me to use two of the stereo cords that you use for the little plastic = Lexicon footswitches, but merged through the one stereo line.=20 So, basically, I ran one stereo cord to the footswitch control of each = Jam Man on the one end, then ran the other ends to the stereo splitter = cable. The splitter I got accepts stereo inputs and then has a male cord = on the other end that was also stereo. The "y" part of the connection = then plugs into just one Lexicon footswitch, and you can just use that = one footswitch to run both loopers at the same time. In essence, this gives you "non-midi" syncing of the two loopers from = one pedal. It works like brother-sync on the EDP, although "y" syncing = will occassionaly lead to some "drifting" effects between the two Jam = Mans. "Y" syncing does the trick, although it's not quite as percise as = brother sync (hence the occasional drifting). I only ever used the "y" syncing with the start/stop control for = recording/overdubbing, but if you have two Jam Mans, two stereo cords, = and two of the Lexicon pedals, I'll bet you could get two additional = stereo cords, two of the stereo to stereo "y" splitters, and then be = able to have both Jam Man foot switch options word in "y sync together = at the same time on both machines. Like I said, I never tried it, but if = it worked for the start/stop pedal connections, it should work for the = other connections too. I don't remember where I ended up buying the "y" splitter that I got = (that was back in 1995)--I would have either bought it at Radio Shack or = Guitar Center; I also think that possibly Musician's Friend might sell = them. Hope my answer made sense.=20 Thanks, David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: msottilaro=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Welcome to the list David. If you do a search on the Repeater and seamless loops on the archives, = you'll probably come up with volumes on this topic. I'll give you the = Reader's Digest version. Yes, the Repeater does exactly what you're asking of it. No delay. = Just like a JamMan, which was my first MIDI syncable looper. However, = there is a tiny volume bump at the loop start point. How tiny? I never, = ever hear it. Is it there? Sure is. If I play a single sine wave with no = attack or volume change into the Repeater, I can hear it. Others here = trying to do drones have complained about it. I've posted two tracks on = http://www.mp3.com/0crossing The first one is JamMan looping, the second = is all Repeater. How did you get two JamMans to do stereo? Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 08:38 AM, David Durian wrote: Hello. I am a new poster to the list, although I have actually been = reading various parts of the entire Looper's Delight site for the last 4 = years. I've been looping since 1994, when I got my first Lexicon Jam = Man. For most of the 90s, I used to Jam Mans for stereo looping, = although I switched to using Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses for stereo = looping about a year ago. =20 Anyhow, I was writing to ask a couple of questions I was having = trouble getting answered just by looking through the site and by = searching the mailing list archive. =20 a) I'm thinking about getting a repeater to supplement my EDPs, and = I was wondering--does the Repeater do seamless looping if you play an = eight bar measure and then, at the end of the eighth bar, you press the = record button to start the loop? In other words, does the audio play = straight through without any "skipping sounds" or "gaps" in the audio? =20 By seamless here, I mean simply the sound--I understand that the = Repeater will not start the loop and go immediately into overdub mode = (like the EDP), making it more like the old Jam Man in this way, which = is how some use the term "seamless." My concern is that the looper make = no skipping sound if I want to do a "direct loop" this way. This is how = I mean to use "seamless" in this context. =20 I currently own a GNX-3 that was supposed to work as a full-function = looper, but it has this problem where it doesn't do the kind of seamless = loop to which I refer above unless you set up an empty "dummy track" = ahead of time, and then, after the "blank track" is recorded, you can do = a "live" seamless loop. Which isn't really live the way I describe it = (live to me means the Jam Man or EDP, and possibly the Repeater(?)) . . = .=20 =20 Someone on the Digitech site suggested the "dummy track" solution I = just mentioned, and he made it sound like people had to do the same = thing on the Repeater to get it to work right with this type of seamless = loop . . .this is why I needed to ask. =20 b) Anyone else out there using the GNX-3 for looping? I haven't seen = much about it on this Web site (no reviews, for example), and was = wondering if anyone had any thoughts on it? =20 The lack of seamless looping on it as a default setting is somewhat = annoying, although I can work around it. Or maybe I'm just missing = something in set up and you can actually get it to do it? =20 Thanks, =20 David Durian ------=_NextPart_001_00AE_01C356BC.F13D6980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Matt,
 
Thanks for the welcome. I'll have to check out your mp3s . . . I'm = on dial=20 up at the moment, so it will take me a little while.
 
I got the Jam Mans to do stereo by using a y splitter cable that = allowed me=20 to use two of the stereo cords that you use for the little plastic = Lexicon=20 footswitches, but merged through the one stereo line.
 
So, basically, I ran one stereo cord to the footswitch control of = each Jam=20 Man on the one end, then ran the other ends to the stereo splitter = cable.=20 The splitter I got accepts stereo inputs and then has a male cord on the = other=20 end that was also stereo. The "y" part of the connection then plugs into = just=20 one Lexicon footswitch, and you can just use that one footswitch to run = both=20 loopers at the same time.
 
In essence, this gives you "non-midi" syncing of the two loopers = from one=20 pedal. It works like brother-sync on the EDP, although "y" syncing will=20 occassionaly lead to some "drifting" effects between the two Jam Mans. = "Y"=20 syncing does the trick, although it=92s not quite as percise as brother = sync=20 (hence the occasional drifting).
 
I only ever used the "y" syncing with the start/stop control for=20 recording/overdubbing, but if you have two Jam Mans, two stereo = cords, and=20 two of the Lexicon pedals, I'll bet you could get two additional stereo = cords,=20 two of the stereo to stereo "y" splitters, and then be able to have = both=20 Jam Man foot switch options word in "y sync together at the same time on = both=20 machines. Like I said, I never tried it, but if it worked for the = start/stop=20 pedal connections, it should work for the other connections too.
 
I don't remember where I ended up buying the "y" splitter that I = got (that=20 was back in 1995)--I would have either bought it at Radio Shack or = Guitar=20 Center; I also think that possibly Musician's Friend might sell = them.
 
Hope my answer made sense. 3D"Smiley
 
Thanks,
 
David
----- Original Message -----
From: msottilaro
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 = 12:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater=20 Questions

Welcome to the list David.

If you do a search on = the=20 Repeater and seamless loops on the archives, you'll probably come up = with=20 volumes on this topic. I'll give you the Reader's Digest = version.

Yes,=20 the Repeater does exactly what you're asking of it. No delay. Just = like a=20 JamMan, which was my first MIDI syncable looper. However, there is a = tiny=20 volume bump at the loop start point. How tiny? I never, ever hear it. = Is it=20 there? Sure is. If I play a single sine wave with no attack or volume = change=20 into the Repeater, I can hear it. Others here trying to do drones have = complained about it. I've posted two tracks on = http://www.mp3.com/0crossing=20 The first one is JamMan looping, the second is all = Repeater.

How did=20 you get two JamMans to do stereo?

Mark Sottilaro

On = Wednesday,=20 July 30, 2003, at 08:38 AM, David Durian wrote:

Hello. I am a new poster to the list, although I have = actually been reading various parts of the entire Looper's Delight = site for=20 the last 4 years. I've been looping since 1994, when I got my first = Lexicon=20 Jam Man. For most of the 90s, I used to Jam Mans for stereo looping, = although I switched to using Echoplex Digital Pro Pluses for stereo = looping=20 about a year ago.
 
Anyhow, I was writing to ask a couple = of=20 questions I was having trouble getting answered just by looking = through the=20 site and by searching the mailing list archive.
 
a) I'm = thinking=20 about getting a repeater to supplement my EDPs, and I was = wondering--does=20 the Repeater do seamless looping if you play an eight bar measure = and then,=20 at the end of the eighth bar, you press the record button to start = the loop?=20 In other words, does the audio play straight through without any = "skipping=20 sounds" or "gaps" in the audio?
 
By seamless here, I = mean simply=20 the sound--I understand that the Repeater will not start the loop = and go=20 immediately into overdub mode (like the EDP), making it more like = the old=20 Jam Man in this way, which is how some use the term "seamless." My = concern=20 is that the looper make no skipping sound if I want to do a "direct = loop"=20 this way. This is how I mean to use "seamless" in this=20 context.
 
I currently own a GNX-3 that was supposed to = work as a=20 full-function looper, but it has this problem where it doesn't do = the kind=20 of seamless loop to which I refer above unless you set up an empty = "dummy=20 track" ahead of time, and then, after the "blank track" is recorded, = you can=20 do a "live" seamless loop. Which isn't really live the way I = describe it=20 (live to me means the Jam Man or EDP, and possibly the Repeater(?)) = . .=20 . 
 
Someone on the Digitech site suggested the = "dummy=20 track" solution I just mentioned, and he made it sound like people = had to do=20 the same thing on the Repeater to get it to work right with this = type of=20 seamless loop . . .this is why I needed to ask.=20 <image.tiff>
 
b) Anyone else out there using the = GNX-3 for=20 looping? I haven't seen much about it on this Web site (no reviews, = for=20 example), and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on=20 it?
 
The lack of seamless looping on it as a default = setting is=20 somewhat annoying, although I can work around it. Or maybe I'm just = missing=20 something in set up and you can actually get it to do=20 it?
 
Thanks,
 
David=20 Durian
------=_NextPart_001_00AE_01C356BC.F13D6980-- ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C356BC.F13D6980 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Emoticon1.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <00ac01c356e6$da012200$3fe06dd1@woodyallen> R0lGODlhEwATALMPAPXv3v3pTvDHOei2K9u4a9qoLunPkLGLMdOZKfvbQMeyl5p4J+7JbrebXoAy GAAAACH5BAEAAA8ALAAAAAATABMAAASu8EkJDBNjMAOmf5UgJEGQJBj3AVfpuslAdBRDvu8p04YQ CIuFrzQIDgQFA2i4AAAWruYTgwiVFopnNCsUICy3hUMBvY67hcYwIHaU2Q43ZnAYuIDCUixYmC8G NzgmJyIZBQcXgYMnKIUDCA09jA4FgCcFCA4ZdFlHl5SbmQiGBx0GR0iZcXEIo5wUBH1ImK2tGQcN NCCxm70Dh7krBq2VvwgHB1kfExUNBwu4yh4RADs= ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C356BC.F13D6980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 18:44:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6UMg8R06558; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.109.224.63] X-Originating-Email: [daviddurian@msn.com] From: "David Durian" To: References: <00ce01c356d3$07d8e910$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:41:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C356C1.DF3ED660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:41:57 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2003 22:42:01.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAF9D5E0:01C356EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C356C1.DF3ED660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, I did some more researching after I wrote this morning. Apparently, tt's = got something to do with the roll-in and quantize features. According to = one of the Digitech support guys, you have to use roll-in and quantize = to avoid the problem. Because you have to use quantize, whatever loop = you're planning to record has to be at the bpm for which the loop is = set. So, if you have an eight-bar pattern, and it's in 140 bpm, and you = set up the looper before hand to count 140 bpm . . . it actually will = work without the skipping noise (I did it last night). However, I was hoping to just be able to use it to loop, without having = to worry about such issues (like you can on the EDP or Jam Man). Since = it is called a "Jam Man" looper, I guess I expected it to actually work = like a Jam Man (instead of what it actually appears to work like--a low = grade repeater (?)). So . . . it will work, it's just that you have to plan out everything = ahead of time. And, as you may have noticed, every time you try to = record a new loop, you have to reset all the recorder features (stereo = input, song repeat off, etc) using the set up key. Which can get tedious = . . . If you want to put in all this work ahead of time to get it to do what = you want, it seems like it could actually work fine for some = applications. It's just that I wanted to be able to plug and play = without those issues. I guess I just got spoiled by the architecture of = the EDPs and Jam Mans. . . . I'm going to return my tonight, regardless of seeing that it has = some potential if you work around the quantize issues, because it has = another issue that I don't really like anyway--it appears to be summing = the stereo signal I'm trying to pass through it when I put it in bypass = mode.=20 So, if I don't want some kind of GNX3 effect on top of the effects I'm = trying to run from my 2101, I can't get "real stereo" to work right = coming out of the 2101 when I pass the signal to my EDPs through the = GNX3. If I record something with by pass on using the GNX3, it will = playback in "real stereo" via the GNX3 once it's recorded, but it just = doesn't come out that way as it goes into the loop when I'm first = recording it on the GNX3. Yeah, it is a bit like torture. So, Mark or anyone else using the Repeater . . .does it have any of = these quantize problems?=20 Thanks again, David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Palmer=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: RE: GNX-3/Repeater Questions > So, do you have the same problem with the GNX-3 inserting that > "skipping noise" at the beginning of your loops? haven't noticed it, but like i said i haven't used the looper much after realizing it wasn't a "real" looper will play with it a bit. are you sure it isn't just inaccurate button pushes or latency in the button pushes? i noticed switching patches has a bit of latency (quite annoying) > Yeah, I downloaded the 1.4 upgrade hoping it would fix all the=20 > looping issues, but alas, no it doesn't. =20 downloaded it but have yet to install it. looks like it comes in a binhex type format, and the the drums are separate files. might be cool to muck around with those a bit... ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C356C1.DF3ED660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim,
 
I did some more researching after I wrote this morning. Apparently, = tt's=20 got something to do with the roll-in and quantize features. According to = one of=20 the Digitech support guys, you have to use roll-in and quantize to avoid = the=20 problem. Because you have to use quantize, whatever loop you're planning = to=20 record has to be at the bpm for which the loop is set. So, if you have = an=20 eight-bar pattern, and it's in 140 bpm, and you set up the looper before = hand to=20 count 140 bpm . . . it actually will work without the skipping = noise (I did=20 it last night).
 
However, I was hoping to just be able to use it to loop, without = having to=20 worry about such issues (like you can on the EDP or Jam Man). Since = it is=20 called a "Jam Man" looper, I guess I expected it to actually work like a = Jam Man=20 (instead of what it actually appears to work like--a low grade repeater=20 (?)).
 
So . . . it will work, it's just that you have to plan out = everything ahead=20 of time. And, as you may have noticed, every time you try to record a = new loop,=20 you have to reset all the recorder features (stereo input, song repeat = off, etc)=20 using the set up key. Which can get tedious . . .
 
If you want to put in all this work ahead of time to get it to do = what you=20 want, it seems like it could actually work fine for some applications. = It's just=20 that I wanted to be able to plug and play without those issues. I guess = I just=20 got spoiled by the architecture of the EDPs and Jam Mans.
 
 . . . I'm going to return my tonight, regardless of seeing = that it=20 has some potential if you work around the quantize issues, because = it has=20 another issue that I don't really like anyway--it appears to be summing = the=20 stereo signal I'm trying to pass through it when I put it in = bypass=20 mode.
 
So, if I don't want some kind of GNX3 effect on top = of the=20 effects I'm trying to run from my 2101, I can't get "real stereo" to = work right=20 coming out of the 2101 when I pass the signal to my EDPs through the = GNX3. If=20 I record something with by pass on using the GNX3, it will playback = in=20 "real stereo" via the GNX3 once it's recorded, but it just doesn't = come out=20 that way as it goes into the loop when I'm first recording it on = the=20 GNX3.
 
Yeah, it is a bit like torture.
 
So, Mark or anyone else using the Repeater . . .does it have any of = these=20 quantize problems?
 
Thanks again,
 
David
----- Original Message -----
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 = 2:44=20 PM
Subject: RE: GNX-3/Repeater=20 Questions

> So, do you have the same problem with the GNX-3 = inserting=20 that
> "skipping noise" at the beginning of your = loops?

haven't=20 noticed it, but like i said i haven't used the looper
much after = realizing=20 it wasn't a "real" looper
will play with it a bit.  are you = sure it=20 isn't just
inaccurate button pushes or latency in the button = pushes?
i=20 noticed switching patches has a bit of latency (quite = annoying)

>=20 Yeah, I downloaded the 1.4 upgrade hoping it would fix all the =
>=20 looping issues, but alas, no it doesn't.
 
downloaded it = but have=20 yet to install it.
looks like it comes in a binhex type format, = and
the=20 the drums are separate files.
might be cool to muck around with = those a=20 bit...
------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C356C1.DF3ED660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 20:13:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V0C0520539; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:12:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:11:53 -0700 Subject: Re: GNX-3/Repeater Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 2893bc10 aee23e9e df127625 00000004 From: msottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001401c356dd$b21e57c0$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> Message-Id: <97299D68-C2EB-11D7-AA42-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That will work really well in conjunction with my Againinator! Mark On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 02:01 PM, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >> I'm looking for a looper that's mainly >> for torture, with no fun attributes at >> all. Perhaps Digitech can develop a >> product like that. >> >> Mark > > Hey! I've got just the thing for you! > > It's a hardware box style of looper...as a matter of fact...it's just > a box. > But its really very high quality, corrugated, post-consumer (nod to the > Greens), cardboard. By intent (mostly), the outside is a wonderful > light > brown (except for a slightly used shipping label) so you can fully > customize > its graceful appearance. Indeed, I will include *for free* the special > "Crayola" graphic design kit. Add your own user interface! > > Currently, it loops John Cage's 4'33" perfectly. The next software > update > should expand its repertoire. > > Available from off-the-shelf stock. > > :D > > Dennis Leas > ----------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 21:55:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V1sRY30493; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:54:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:54:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Cc: "CHRIS" References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: European/British Isles Loop Tour comes to an end Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:53:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, Chris and I returned to Santa Cruz yesterday ending my long and exhilirating live looping tour of 8 countries in Europe and the British Isles. I had a fantastic summer (despite the rather rocky start that the tour had back in May) and it was so inspiring to get to meet and play and hang out with the incredibly talented live loopers that I visited in each place. Someone on this list posted that the internet does not have the possibility to create true and real community and I would love to politely disagree with that notion. This tour would have never ocurred without the internet and without this website (and, although we disagree philosophically about the whole idea of a live looping movement, Kim Flint, I owe especial gratitude to you because being on this site that you have created has changed my life..............much for the better..........a heartfelt thanks to you) I would also like to thank three people especially: Luca Formentini, my Italian brother, for starting this whole crazy notion a year ago by inviting me to participate in his Experimental Guitar Festival in the beautiful Lago di Garda in Northern Italy after only hearing an MP3 of my first ever performance on a guitar at the Woodstockhausen festival. You put the seed in my head and I'm so thankful that it germinated. Per Boysen, who in producing the his very first tour and the first Live Looping tour of Sweden with Matthias Grob, he and I, made it financially possible for me to take such a big risk. Per is a wonderful artist, a trusted friend and makes me feel really great about the future of live looping in Sweden........................watch out, Finland, Norway and Denmark.................here we come! Matthias Grob, my swiss brother and comrade and 'bandmate' through several shows in Sweden, Wales, England and Switzerland. Learning from the inventor of the Echoplex and making music in the middle of the Swiss Alps will be one of the highlights of my whole life. Thanks so much. Also, I would love to thank all the fantastic loopers and artists who were so kind and generous with their time and their attention and their artistry: Chris and I only spent 5 nights out of 2 months in a hotel because of the kindness and generosity of all of these wonderful folks. And this doesn't even touch the creativity and committment to live looping that hey all embodied. Special Thanks and warm hugs have to go out to: Paul Marshall (in Belfast, Northern Ireland) Gareth Whittock (in Swansea, Wales) for producing the 1st Welsh Live Looping Festival Steve Lawson (in London, England) for playing with me and introducing me to the fabulous Klinker. Andrew Ostler (Os) (who produced the 1st Cambridge Loop Festival)..................and all the really talented loopers of Cambridge Paul Shearsmith (in London, England) who, although not a live looper, took us into his home when he heard that we didn't have a place to stay in London (due to that damned pesky cat allergy) Stuart Wyatt (in Paris, France) April King (in Paris, France) also not a looper but one hell of an intense go getter and scene maker and one of my favorite students of all time Michael Peters (Kurten, Germany)............the first international looper I ever met and producer of the 1st Cologne Live Looping Festival Leander Reininghaus and Andreas Villers (who produced the 1st Berlin Live Looping Festival) and all the wonderful Berlin loopers Louis Angulo (my mexicana brother) (in Radolfzell, Germany) Claude Voit (in Switzerland) who drove a long way to attend the Lucerne Looping Festival and then later joined me in Lago Di Garda)........ and all the other talented Swiss loopers Bruno Kleinefeld (in Milan, Italy) Massimo Liverani (in Firenze, Italy) who produced the 1st Florence Live Looping Festival with a very talented group of Italian loopers and again, Luca Formentini (in Lago di Garda, Italy) the site of my last wonderful gig of my tour with he and Claude Voit. I have written extensively about my experiences with all of these amazing people on my website and , unfortunately, was unable to get practically any FTP uploading to occur on the whole tour. I was, consequently, forced to handwrite my tour entries and will be posting them as soon as I type them into my computer in the next several days if anyone is interested in reading about the tour. If you have any interest in contacting these folks or touring in Europe and the British Isles (or the Americas or Asia, for that matter) I can only advise you to go for it. This has been one of the great experiences of my whole life. I feel so grateful to be alive; so grateful to be associated with this movement and with all of the wonderful people in it. Oh yes, and one last incredibly important shout out: I would love to thank my loving and intelligent and talented and beautiful wife, Chris Wedertz for helping me to do this tour. I would not have been able to accomplish it without her. From making my website to booking the transportation and lodging to schlepping the gear on and off trains and subways and ferrys and taxis to rolling chords when I was exhausted after gigs or helping me to set up if sound checks were rushed, Chris served me in a way I can only hope to be able to emulate when I am her roadie on her next solo musical tour. This tour just wouldn't have occurred if she hadn't helped me. I love her dearly! thanks so much. long live live looping and all the loopers,website owners and equipment inventors who make it possible. yours, Rick Walker (www.looppool.info) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 22:46:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V2j6h03614; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:45:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:45:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: European/British Isles Loop Tour comes to an end Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:46:10 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c3570d$e7059540$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Chris and I returned to Santa Cruz yesterday > ending my long and exhilirating > live looping tour of 8 countries in Europe and > the British Isles. > . . . Welcome back, safe and sound, Rick! I always enjoying hearing news from you! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 22:57:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V2v2N05848; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:57:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:56:40 -0400 From: THusken@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rds7.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <51DBD012.31E72D94.0018D882@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 69.14.147.58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone. I just snagged an RDS 7.6 from an ebay auction. Unfortunately the unit did not work when I received it. The unit is in beautiful cosmetic shape and all the led's are working, but the signal seems to 'pass through the unit' without adding so much as a little slapback. What gives? This problem seems so drastic that to my untrained brain, it seems like there might be a simple solution lurking somewhere. Any help you guys could give would be appreciated. Thanks, Todd Husken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 23:03:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V32DM06516; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:02:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:02:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, so no one responded to my question about routing problems. In the meantime, I learned about a solution to this (or any other imaginable) gear routing problem thanks to someone I know from another list. He recommended checking out the Switchblade 8 (or 16). See www.soundsculpture.com for product info. My (now simplified) question is this: Does anyone on the list have a Switchblade in his/her rack? If so, care to comment? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 23:08:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V37nZ07450; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 04:07:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0134_01C33EBD.19D5AA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 03:07:47.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB1DAE30:01C35710] Resent-Message-ID: <1LLGrD.A.T0B.FgIK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C33EBD.19D5AA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got a swicthblade gl, jim has an 8 i think. Basically it's fantastic ! The only problem can be one of too much choice .......... but this is = always the way when things get more involved ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Switchblade > Ok, so no one responded to my question about routing problems. >=20 > In the meantime, I learned about a solution to this (or any other=20 > imaginable) gear routing problem thanks to someone I know from=20 > another list. He recommended checking out the Switchblade 8 (or 16).=20 > See www.soundsculpture.com for product info. >=20 > My (now simplified) question is this: Does anyone on the list have a=20 > Switchblade in his/her rack? If so, care to comment? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Jeff >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C33EBD.19D5AA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've got a swicthblade gl, jim has an = 8 i=20 think.
Basically it's fantastic = !
The only problem can be one of too = much choice=20 .......... but this is always the way when things get more = involved
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Shirkey" <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:02=20 AM
Subject: = Switchblade

> Ok, so no one responded to my question about routing=20 problems.
>
> In the meantime, I learned about a solution = to this=20 (or any other
> imaginable) gear routing problem thanks to = someone I know=20 from
> another list. He recommended checking out the Switchblade = 8 (or=20 16).
> See www.soundsculpture.com=20 for product info.
>
> My (now simplified) question is this: = Does=20 anyone on the list have a
> Switchblade in his/her rack? If so, = care to=20 comment?
>
> Thanks,
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> Jeff
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> = ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C33EBD.19D5AA00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 23:25:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V3OPt09669; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:24:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014e01c357a9$ac5c3740$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:21:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, switchblade 8B here. my opinion: one of the most ingenius devices ever produced. indespensible. worth every penny and then some. buy one and do it five minutes ago. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 23:31:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V3UIH10443; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:30:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:30:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've got a swicthblade gl, jim has an 8 i think. Very cool...thanks for your reply. Looks like I need a GL (16). I'd be about ready to max out an 8 right now, and I know I'll need some growing room, so to speak. Have you come anywhere near maxing out your GL? Or does it adequately handle everything you have? >Basically it's fantastic ! Is the sound quality everything it ought to be? Do you feel like it sucks any of your tone? Or do all your fx still sound great--just as they would if you didn't hook them up to the GL? >The only problem can be one of too much choice .......... but this >is always the way when things get more involved Yeah, I hear you. But that's a problem I can live with! Thanks again, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 30 23:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V3qsA13077; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:52:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:57:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <290B30E3-C30B-11D7-9830-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 10:02 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > My (now simplified) question is this: Does anyone on the list have a > Switchblade in his/her rack? If so, care to comment? another option would be a Mark of the Unicorn 828 mkII. it's not as flexible, and would only give you 16 scenes, but it does have digital connections as well as analogue connections. also you can use it as an audio interface for your computer. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 00:00:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V3xUZ13806; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:56:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4XCXRC.A.iXD.iQJK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry to butt in... "Have you come anywhere near maxing out your GL? Or does it adequately handle everything you have?" i'm running the following with my 8B: Eventide DSP7000, Kurzweil KSP8, EDP (2 of 'em), BSS eq, Alembic pre, Crest power. i would actually like three more outputs: one for tuner out, two for line outs. "Do you feel like it sucks any of your tone?" some disagree, but i've a/b'd the shit and can find no sonic degradation. "The only problem can be one of too much choice" i too can live with this. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 00:06:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V451m14425; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030731040455.34691.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: rds7.6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <51DBD012.31E72D94.0018D882@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- THusken@aol.com wrote: > Hello everyone. > I just snagged an RDS 7.6 from an ebay auction. > Unfortunately the unit did not work when I received > it. The unit is in beautiful cosmetic shape and all > the led's are working, but the signal seems to 'pass > through the unit' without adding so much as a little > slapback. What gives? > This problem seems so drastic that to my untrained > brain, it seems like there might be a simple > solution lurking somewhere. > Any help you guys could give would be appreciated. > Thanks, Todd Husken Assuming the unit is not defective, you might try the following: 1) make sure the effect is engaged by pressing the effect button on the front panel 2) make sure you're connected to the mix and/or phase outputs & that the mix, input, & output knobs on front are turned up 3) make sure you're in delay mode & not sample 4) make sure that HOLD is not engaged You might even want to open the unit & adjust the trim-pot to see if this helps. Instructions for this procedure & the users manual are available on the LD website. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/timemachine/timemachine.html Good luck. I hope you didn't get a lemon. I bought one off ebay several years ago & although it's beat to hell, it still operates just fine. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 00:13:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V4ApM15037; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:10:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015501c33ebd$8c6f20a0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:10:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 04:10:48.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8F88700:01C35719] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the sound quality is pristine, Obciously you can fill it but a bit of lateral thinking helps, do you need to plug the goitar into the switchblade then route it to a preamp or can you just plug into the preamp? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: Re: Switchblade > >I've got a swicthblade gl, jim has an 8 i think. > > Very cool...thanks for your reply. > > Looks like I need a GL (16). I'd be about ready to max out an 8 right > now, and I know I'll need some growing room, so to speak. Have you > come anywhere near maxing out your GL? Or does it adequately handle > everything you have? > > >Basically it's fantastic ! > > Is the sound quality everything it ought to be? Do you feel like it > sucks any of your tone? Or do all your fx still sound great--just as > they would if you didn't hook them up to the GL? > > >The only problem can be one of too much choice .......... but this > >is always the way when things get more involved > > Yeah, I hear you. But that's a problem I can live with! > > Thanks again, > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 00:37:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V4Zlt17448; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:35:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:35:25 -0700 Subject: Lexicon MPX G2 and Preamp FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: moreilly2001@hotmail.com From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <675453B6-C310-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <4TcLyB.A.fQE.jyJK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I just had some bad dental luck. I had gone in to have a root canal started and an old (but until today holding) crack in the tooth gave away and I had to loose it. (what's the opposite of LOL? BHH?) Now I'm going to need a bridge. Take me to the bridge. I'm the one that's been crowing about the G2 and the Rocktron Piranha. Since I have a Digitech 2120 that I like (but does not have much resale value) I'm going to lose the MPX G2/Piranha combo. I haven't had them very long and they're in *perfect* condition. Neither has seen a gig or been out of the studio. So claim the previous owners as well and I believe them. Before I throw them up on ebay I figure I'll give loopers first shot. $1000 for the G2 (includes the MPX R1 controller) and $350 for the Rocktron Piranha. If you buy the combo I'll do them both for $1300 and throw in shipping to the continental US. I've got good ebay feedback only and people here know me well... some of them are probably still using my JamMan and other stuff I've sold! Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 02:31 PM, Michael O'Reilly wrote: > Hello loopers > > I was referred to the list by Michael Brook - Knowing only that he > used multi-tap delays I emailed him to ask how he synched his delays > to music (he uses midi clock). While that may be well known to many of > you as an efficient way to spend more time performing than knob > twiddling, it just shows how much I don't know. I reviewed some of the > products, but thought it might be more efficient to ask the list > > ***I have roughly $1k to spend on a device that should do: JamMan > style looping, multi-tap midi clock synch, in reverb one of the > flavors should be infinite, and assorted stomp box style overdirve > effects as well as all the other effects one gets in a multi-unit*** > > Is this too much to expect ? should I be looking at being able to do > all these things by buying separate units ? If folx cannot reccomend > one multi-effects unit, perhaps they can mention one unti that does > one of the things mentioned above (looping, infinite reverb, multi-tap > midi clock synch, guitar overdrive, etc) and do it well ? > > Thanks > > Michael O'Reilly > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 00:40:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V4dUe17963; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:39:14 -0700 Subject: Re: European/British Isles Loop Tour comes to an end Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome back Rick! I bet your bed looks awfully comfy right now! This list has surely missed you, I know I have. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 06:53 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Chris and I returned to Santa Cruz yesterday ending my long and > exhilirating > live looping tour of 8 countries in Europe and the > British Isles. > > I had a fantastic summer (despite the rather rocky start that the tour > had > back in May) and it was so inspiring to get to meet and play and hang > out > with the incredibly talented live loopers that I visited in each place. > > Someone on this list posted that the internet does not have the > possibility > to create true and real community and I would love > to politely disagree with that notion. This tour would have never > ocurred > without the internet and without this website (and, although we > disagree > philosophically about the whole idea of a live looping movement, Kim > Flint, > I owe especial gratitude to you because being on this site that you > have > created has changed my life..............much for the better..........a > heartfelt thanks to you) > > I would also like to thank three people especially: > > Luca Formentini, my Italian brother, for starting this whole crazy > notion a > year ago by inviting me to participate in his > Experimental Guitar Festival in the beautiful Lago di Garda in Northern > Italy after only hearing an MP3 of my first ever performance on a > guitar at > the Woodstockhausen festival. You put the seed in my head and I'm > so > thankful that it germinated. > > Per Boysen, who in producing the his very first tour and the first Live > Looping tour of Sweden with Matthias Grob, he and I, made it > financially > possible for me to take such a big risk. Per is a wonderful > artist, a > trusted friend and makes me feel really great about the future of live > looping in Sweden........................watch out, Finland, Norway > and > Denmark.................here we come! > > Matthias Grob, my swiss brother and comrade and 'bandmate' through > several > shows in Sweden, Wales, England and Switzerland. Learning from the > inventor of the Echoplex and making music in the middle of the Swiss > Alps > will be one of the highlights of my whole life. Thanks so much. > > Also, I would love to thank all the fantastic loopers and artists who > were > so kind and generous with their time and their attention and their > artistry: > > Chris and I only spent 5 nights out of 2 months in a hotel because of > the > kindness and generosity of all of these wonderful folks. > And this doesn't even touch the creativity and committment to live > looping > that hey all embodied. > > Special Thanks and warm hugs have to go out to: > > Paul Marshall (in Belfast, Northern Ireland) > Gareth Whittock (in Swansea, Wales) for producing the 1st Welsh Live > Looping > Festival > Steve Lawson (in London, England) for playing with me and introducing > me to > the fabulous Klinker. > Andrew Ostler (Os) (who produced the 1st Cambridge Loop > Festival)..................and all the really talented loopers of > Cambridge > Paul Shearsmith (in London, England) who, although not a live > looper, > took us into his home when he heard that we didn't have a place to > stay in > London (due to that damned pesky cat allergy) > Stuart Wyatt (in Paris, France) > April King (in Paris, France) also not a looper but one hell of an > intense > go getter and scene maker and one of my favorite students of all time > Michael Peters (Kurten, Germany)............the first international > looper I > ever met and producer of the 1st Cologne Live Looping Festival > Leander Reininghaus and Andreas Villers (who produced the 1st Berlin > Live > Looping Festival) and all the wonderful Berlin loopers > Louis Angulo (my mexicana brother) (in Radolfzell, Germany) > Claude Voit (in Switzerland) who drove a long way to attend the > Lucerne > Looping Festival and then later joined me in Lago Di Garda)........ > and all > the other talented Swiss loopers > Bruno Kleinefeld (in Milan, Italy) > Massimo Liverani (in Firenze, Italy) who produced the 1st Florence Live > Looping Festival with a very talented group of Italian loopers > and again, Luca Formentini (in Lago di Garda, Italy) the site of my > last > wonderful gig of my tour with he and Claude Voit. > > I have written extensively about my experiences with all of these > amazing > people on my website and , unfortunately, was unable to get > practically any > FTP uploading to occur on the whole tour. > > I was, consequently, forced to handwrite my tour entries and will be > posting > them as soon as I type them into my computer in the next several days > if > anyone is interested in reading about the tour. > > If you have any interest in contacting these folks or touring in > Europe and > the British Isles (or the Americas or Asia, for that matter) > I can only advise you to go for it. > > This has been one of the great experiences of my whole life. I feel > so > grateful to be alive; so grateful to be associated with this > movement and > with all of the wonderful people in it. > > Oh yes, and one last incredibly important shout out: > > I would love to thank my loving and intelligent and talented and > beautiful > wife, Chris Wedertz for helping me to do this tour. I would not have > been > able to accomplish it without her. From making my website to booking > the > transportation and lodging to schlepping > the gear on and off trains and subways and ferrys and taxis to rolling > chords when I was exhausted after gigs or helping me to set up if sound > checks were rushed, Chris served me in a way I can only hope to be > able to > emulate when I am her roadie on her next > solo musical tour. This tour just wouldn't have occurred if she > hadn't > helped me. I love her dearly! > > thanks so much. long live live looping and all the loopers,website > owners > and equipment inventors who make it possible. > > yours, > > Rick Walker (www.looppool.info) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 00:44:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V4hs418510; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Relay" To: Subject: Root Canal Agony Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:43:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <675453B6-C310-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro groaned: I just had some bad dental luck. I had gone in to have a root canal started and an old (but until today holding) crack in the tooth gave Mark is filtering me but my sympathies go out to him--dental is unenviable . . . I too have a G2 and while it does a lot, I don't think you are going to get everything you want out of this one box. I sure like it a lot, but the looper is not really my favorite part. Also it's pretty esoteric to program--maybe Steve Lawson could do a video 8->D So don't forget to brush after every loop-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 00:50:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V4ngH19045; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:49:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >sorry to butt in... not butting in at all...many thanks for your comments and help.Thanks to everyone who's replied. I just have to convince the boss, um...I mean, the wife, that these purchases are essential. I shall keep you all posted! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 00:52:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V4paG19357; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:51:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:51:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <1df.e34378b.2c59fa53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:51:31 EDT Subject: Re: rds7.6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1df.e34378b.2c59fa53_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1df.e34378b.2c59fa53_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks John, I've had an RDS 7.6 for over ten years (my first looper) and thought I'd pick up a second as a spare. All settings are correct but maybe something happened to the trim pot. I will give that a shot. The unit looks like brand new, very clean, knobs firm, buttons 'clicky'...the one thing I forgot to mention is that the effect led does blink somewhat but will stay on if the switch is 'finessed' a little. Thanks again for the help John, ...any other ideas gang? If not by me, would the unit be repairable? -Todd --part1_1df.e34378b.2c59fa53_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks John,
I've had an RDS 7.6 for over ten years (my first looper) and thought I'd= pick up a second as a spare.
All settings are correct but maybe something happened to the trim pot. &= nbsp;I will give that a shot.
The unit looks like brand new, very clean, knobs firm, buttons 'clicky'.= ..the one thing I forgot to mention is that the effect led does blink somewh= at but will stay on if the switch is 'finessed' a little.
Thanks again for the help John, ...any other ideas gang?  If not by= me, would the unit be repairable? -Todd --part1_1df.e34378b.2c59fa53_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 00:59:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V4wCX20069; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030731045806.56468.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:58:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: rds7.6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1df.e34378b.2c59fa53@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3MFkGC.A.b5E.kHKK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- THusken@aol.com wrote: > Thanks John, > I've had an RDS 7.6 for over ten years (my first > looper) and thought I'd pick > up a second as a spare. > All settings are correct but maybe something > happened to the trim pot. I > will give that a shot. > The unit looks like brand new, very clean, knobs > firm, buttons 'clicky'...the > one thing I forgot to mention is that the effect led > does blink somewhat but > will stay on if the switch is 'finessed' a little. > Thanks again for the help John, ...any other ideas > gang? If not by me, would > the unit be repairable? -Todd It certainly can't hurt to email Digitech & ask if they still do repair work on the 7.6. They were good to me when I needed repair for my old GSP-2101. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 01:02:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V51PJ20531; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:01:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:01:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c33ec4$99e7c000$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:01:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 05:01:18.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6F830B0:01C35720] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They are essential, try smiling a lot :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:49 AM Subject: Re: Switchblade > >sorry to butt in... > > not butting in at all...many thanks for your comments and help.Thanks > to everyone who's replied. > > I just have to convince the boss, um...I mean, the wife, that these > purchases are essential. I shall keep you all posted! > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 01:06:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V56Af21195; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:06:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:06:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501c33ec4$99e7c000$6401a8c0@p4> References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> <001501c33ec4$99e7c000$6401a8c0@p4> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:06:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >They are essential, try smiling a lot :) > Man, you should have seen how well the house was cleaned when she got home. Laundry done. Everything vacuumed. Bed made. Dishes done. Um...she knew something was up. Her first question was, "Ok, what'd you buy??" ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 01:09:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V58KI21566; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:08:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F28A43F.5030204@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:08:15 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Reply-To: mmccabe@finleysound.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Switchblade References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Is the sound quality everything it ought to be? Do you feel like it > sucks any of your tone? Or do all your fx still sound great--just as > they would if you didn't hook them up to the GL? I own the Switchblade GL, and to my ears, it does color my tone. But then again, what doesn't? The flexibility is cool...albeit daunting at times. Matt -- www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 01:18:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V5HY323142; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:17:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:17:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c33ec6$e0e29be0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> <001501c33ec4$99e7c000$6401a8c0@p4> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:17:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 05:17:33.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C0BFD10:01C35723] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com She knows you to well, my advice keep her offguard - sometimes clean the house for .......... no reason ! LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: Switchblade > >They are essential, try smiling a lot :) > > > > Man, you should have seen how well the house was cleaned when she got > home. Laundry done. Everything vacuumed. Bed made. Dishes done. > > Um...she knew something was up. Her first question was, "Ok, what'd > you buy??" ;) > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 01:18:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V5Hk523200; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:17:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:17:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <51F34F26-C316-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Always correct her when she says "Toy" and tell her it's pronounced "Tool." I had a salesman in Guitar Center tell me he had never seen a wife or girlfriend be so supportive when it came to buying music gear. He was in awe. It sure helps to be married to a fellow musician! Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 09:49 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> sorry to butt in... > > not butting in at all...many thanks for your comments and help.Thanks > to everyone who's replied. > > I just have to convince the boss, um...I mean, the wife, that these > purchases are essential. I shall keep you all posted! > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 01:20:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V5Jc623554; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c33ec7$284c9f30$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <51F34F26-C316-11D7-A5AA-000A9567A918@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:19:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 05:19:35.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[551C8470:01C35723] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes it isnt a plaything, it's needed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:17 AM Subject: Re: Switchblade > Always correct her when she says "Toy" and tell her it's pronounced > "Tool." > > I had a salesman in Guitar Center tell me he had never seen a wife or > girlfriend be so supportive when it came to buying music gear. He was > in awe. It sure helps to be married to a fellow musician! > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 09:49 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > >> sorry to butt in... > > > > not butting in at all...many thanks for your comments and help.Thanks > > to everyone who's replied. > > > > I just have to convince the boss, um...I mean, the wife, that these > > purchases are essential. I shall keep you all posted! > > > > Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 01:49:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V5m3d27224; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:48:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:48:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ec01c357bd$ccbbefd0$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:45:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I just have to convince the boss, um...I mean, the wife, that these purchases are essential." this is why i'm doing all my "shopping" before i get married...the only person i have to convince is myself, and well...i tend to be a pushover. jim: self, i think i need this audio router/new processor/boutique overdrive pedal/etc. self: do you really need it or are you just being whimsical? jim: no, need...same context as things like oxygen, food, and rest. self: well, if you feel that strongly ab... jim: i knew you'd understand. thanks, honey. ::gives self a big hug:: -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 01:59:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V5wB628425; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:58:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:58:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c33ecc$89210940$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> <01ec01c357bd$ccbbefd0$72a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:57:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 05:58:09.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[B85125A0:01C35728] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me too Jim ! NOT being attached certianly has it advantages ot the gear whore ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:45 AM Subject: Re: Switchblade > "I just have to convince the boss, um...I mean, the wife, that these > purchases are essential." > > this is why i'm doing all my "shopping" before i get married...the only > person i have to convince is myself, and well...i tend to be a pushover. > > jim: self, i think i need this audio router/new processor/boutique overdrive > pedal/etc. > self: do you really need it or are you just being whimsical? > jim: no, need...same context as things like oxygen, food, and rest. > self: well, if you feel that strongly ab... > jim: i knew you'd understand. thanks, honey. > ::gives self a big hug:: > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 02:03:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V610o28817; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:01:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:01:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c33ecc$ee9fdad0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> <01ec01c357bd$ccbbefd0$72a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:00:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 06:00:57.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C313B50:01C35729] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually i'm more of a pushover than that ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:45 AM Subject: Re: Switchblade > "I just have to convince the boss, um...I mean, the wife, that these > purchases are essential." > > this is why i'm doing all my "shopping" before i get married...the only > person i have to convince is myself, and well...i tend to be a pushover. > > jim: self, i think i need this audio router/new processor/boutique overdrive > pedal/etc. > self: do you really need it or are you just being whimsical? > jim: no, need...same context as things like oxygen, food, and rest. > self: well, if you feel that strongly ab... > jim: i knew you'd understand. thanks, honey. > ::gives self a big hug:: > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 02:11:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V69ZX29978; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:09:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:09:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003501c33ec6$e0e29be0$6401a8c0@p4> References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> <001501c33ec4$99e7c000$6401a8c0@p4> <003501c33ec6$e0e29be0$6401a8c0@p4> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:09:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >She knows you to well, my advice keep her offguard - sometimes clean the >house for .......... no reason ! You are a wise fellow. Advice well-taken. At 10:17 PM -0700 7/30/03, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Always correct her when she says "Toy" and tell her it's pronounced "Tool." I will *after* I get the gear I need. ;) Know what I'm saying? She doesn't take too well to being "corrected"--only the dog gets corrected. Well, I guess I do, too. Then again, I'm just a step above (?) the dog anyway. :) At 12:45 AM +0100 8/1/03, jimfowler wrote: >this is why i'm doing all my "shopping" before i get married...the only >person i have to convince is myself, and well...i tend to be a pushover. LOL. Yep. Same here. But, see, here's my problem. She also earns the $$ around here. I'm a lowly PhD student trying to finish up my dissertation. Soon after I'm done, of course, I intend to make my own contributions to our finances and to the world at large. I should be done by the end of the year and employed next year. This, too, may actually help my cause, since I can envision paying off my purchases in the foreseeable future. In the meantime, god bless credit card companies that send you applications for cards with 0% interest on balance transfers for (in this case) 16 months! My eyes lit up! ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 02:15:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V6Dlu30435; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01ec01c357bd$ccbbefd0$72a44a43@g0wn7> References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> <01ec01c357bd$ccbbefd0$72a44a43@g0wn7> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:14:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Preamps? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last question Re: my new gear purchases. I'm also looking into a preamp/amp modeler to go along with my other gear (G-Force, EDP mainly). I'm interested in the new Line 6 Pod ProXT. Anyone own one yet or have any experience with that unit? I've read reviews of other products (Tech 21 Sans Amp, for instance), too, so I'd be interested in surveying this group just to get more feedback. I see direct recording in my future, which is what makes the Line 6 stuff appealing. Of course, I can/will record the old-fashioned way in the future, too, but having the direct option sure would be nice--I think?? Again, thanks in advance. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 02:18:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V6GiZ30788; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: Preamps? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:16:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c3572b$4bffee60$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: <4wAgv.A.5gH.LRLK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really dig my Tech 21 PSA1. Something about that Analog Sansamp sound I've never been able to get with the amp modelers. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Preamps? Last question Re: my new gear purchases. I'm also looking into a preamp/amp modeler to go along with my other gear (G-Force, EDP mainly). I'm interested in the new Line 6 Pod ProXT. Anyone own one yet or have any experience with that unit? I've read reviews of other products (Tech 21 Sans Amp, for instance), too, so I'd be interested in surveying this group just to get more feedback. I see direct recording in my future, which is what makes the Line 6 stuff appealing. Of course, I can/will record the old-fashioned way in the future, too, but having the direct option sure would be nice--I think?? Again, thanks in advance. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 02:20:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V6HV230882; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:17:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:17:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "| SquidLoop |" To: Subject: RE: PSA -1 Sound Samples (was RE: Preamps?) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:17:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c3572b$684e0660$01b52b04@purgatory> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - t15.t15.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thetentacle.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.tech21nyc.com/PSASnds.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 02:24:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V6LF431370; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c33ecf$bf162dc0$6401a8c0@p4> From: "David Swain" To: References: <200307302244.h6UMiVQ06870@hemlock.violacea.com> <018e01c35706$888a6f60$5064f93f@global> <013701c33eb4$ba7d38f0$6401a8c0@p4> <01a001c357ae$a6833ad0$72a44a43@g0wn7> <01ec01c357bd$ccbbefd0$72a44a43@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Preamps? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:20:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 06:21:11.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFC5BE30:01C3572B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow i am being useful to you today ! I recently did a 'shoot out' of the modellers, personally I found the pod xt ... erm shit, all the different models just sounded like there was more or less gain or eq, anyway i went with the boss gt6, the digitech was ok, never liked the sansamp preamp, the pedals are cool though. The thing i would advise is try them all i know people who have come to the exact opposite conclusion ! I find with the gt-6 i can get most of the sounds i want, just remember turn all the bloody chorus off that roland like to stamp on everything ! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:14 AM Subject: Preamps? > Last question Re: my new gear purchases. > > I'm also looking into a preamp/amp modeler to go along with my other > gear (G-Force, EDP mainly). I'm interested in the new Line 6 Pod > ProXT. Anyone own one yet or have any experience with that unit? > > I've read reviews of other products (Tech 21 Sans Amp, for instance), > too, so I'd be interested in surveying this group just to get more > feedback. I see direct recording in my future, which is what makes > the Line 6 stuff appealing. Of course, I can/will record the > old-fashioned way in the future, too, but having the direct option > sure would be nice--I think?? > > Again, thanks in advance. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 02:24:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6V6MPD31518; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:22:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c3572b$4bffee60$01b52b04@purgatory> References: <000301c3572b$4bffee60$01b52b04@purgatory> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:22:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: RE: Preamps? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I really dig my Tech 21 PSA1. Something about that Analog Sansamp sound >I've never been able to get with the amp modelers. I read gushing, glowing reviews and really scathing, bad ones--which is typical for just about *any* product on the market, or so it seems to me. But I trust the opinions of people on this list, since pretty much all of you are high-end gear freaks? Am I not mistaken?? lol I will definitely test drive the Tech 21. Thanks. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 07:18:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VBDub27364; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:13:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:13:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c3574c$85a32b20$404dfea9@manecofl9t5bcf> From: "Maneco" To: Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone specs hurry up,just 400 U$S + shipping Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:14:24 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3573B.C0E8B8F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3573B.C0E8B8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EH 16 sec. Delay Clone ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Maneco=20 To: Andreas Willers=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone specs hurry up,just 400 U$S + shipping Hello, i've just finished my new looper,based on the eh 16 or better,the never = released eh64... specs: 8 bit with companding ,noise gating and pre-de-empahsis 2 up to one minute loops in memory,non volatile. click (i asked the click question because i wanted to know if those = strange "in between "settings were ok) reverse slow infinite=20 feedback kill bypass all of these footswitches are in the same stompbox ,no remote needed. one a/b loop select switch,with remote input in a jack. pots: coarse and fine delay feedback level mix click select rate and depth of triangular wave pitch and speed modulation. sampling rate at lowest pitch or frequency is around 20khz,and the audio = is filtered to about 9 khz. no microprocessor,just good old school digital ic's I'm in the process of building a website with pictures and mp3. price will be 500 U$S + shipping,by UPS or FEDEX from Uruguay payment by Western Union. Tell me if anyone's interested,because my price for Loopers delight list = is U$S400 for the first units. I'm really happy with these small machine,i hope a new classic is = born,i'm playing with it right now... Best regards. Maneco A.K.A. Juan Urquhart Mario Cassinonni 1667 Montevideo 11200=20 Uruguay South America ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Willers=20 To: manexo@adinet.com.uy=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone Dear Maneco, a friend of mine just told me that about a year ago you mentioned on = the LOOPER'S DELIGHT list that you buildt a clone of the EH 16 sec. delay = unit. I am looking for something like this but don't know where to get it. = Can you help me in any way? Best wishes, Andreas Willers Wacholderweg 25 D-14532 Kleinmachnow Germany www.andreaswillers.de --------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3573B.C0E8B8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EH 16 sec. Delay Clone
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Maneco
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:17 PM
Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone specs hurry up,just 400 U$S = +=20 shipping

Hello,
i've just finished my new looper,based = on the eh 16=20 or better,the never released eh64...
specs:
 
8 bit with companding ,noise gating and = pre-de-empahsis
2 up to one minute loops in memory,non=20 volatile.
click (i asked the click question = because i wanted=20 to know if those strange "in between "settings were ok)
reverse
slow
infinite
feedback kill
bypass
 
all of these footswitches are in the = same stompbox=20 ,no remote needed.
one a/b loop select switch,with remote = input in a=20 jack.
pots:
coarse and fine delay
feedback level
mix
click select
rate and depth of triangular wave pitch = and speed=20 modulation.
sampling rate at lowest pitch or = frequency is=20 around 20khz,and the audio is filtered to about 9 khz.
no microprocessor,just good old school = digital=20 ic's
I'm in the process of building a = website with=20 pictures and mp3.
price will be 500 U$S + shipping,by UPS = or FEDEX=20 from Uruguay
payment by Western Union.
Tell me if anyone's interested,because = my price=20 for Loopers delight list is U$S400 for the first=20 units.
I'm really happy with these small = machine,i hope a=20 new classic is born,i'm playing with it right now...
Best regards.
Maneco
 
A.K.A. Juan Urquhart
 
Mario Cassinonni 1667
 
Montevideo 11200
 
Uruguay
 
South America
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas=20 Willers
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 = 1:23=20 PM
Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay = Clone

Dear Maneco,

a friend of mine just told me that about = a year=20 ago you mentioned on the
LOOPER'S DELIGHT list that you buildt a = clone of=20 the EH 16 sec. delay unit.
I am looking for something like this but = don't=20 know where to get it. Can you
help me in any way?

Best=20 wishes,

Andreas Willers
Wacholderweg 25
D-14532=20 Kleinmachnow
Germany
www.andreaswillers.de
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3573B.C0E8B8F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 08:06:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VC3vm32754; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:03:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:03:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c3575b$aa5ae570$cb2693d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <002001c3574c$85a32b20$404dfea9@manecofl9t5bcf> Subject: Re: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone specs hurry up,just 400 U$S + shipping Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:59:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers be avare that there has been a lot of scams made around western union payment search google with http://www.google.fr/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=fr&q=western+union+scam sorry Maneco nothing personnal really ParanoiaK Claude EH 16 sec. Delay Clone ----- Original Message ----- From: Maneco To: Andreas Willers Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone specs hurry up,just 400 U$S + shipping Hello, i've just finished my new looper,based on the eh 16 or better,the never released eh64... specs: 8 bit with companding ,noise gating and pre-de-empahsis 2 up to one minute loops in memory,non volatile. click (i asked the click question because i wanted to know if those strange "in between "settings were ok) reverse slow infinite feedback kill bypass all of these footswitches are in the same stompbox ,no remote needed. one a/b loop select switch,with remote input in a jack. pots: coarse and fine delay feedback level mix click select rate and depth of triangular wave pitch and speed modulation. sampling rate at lowest pitch or frequency is around 20khz,and the audio is filtered to about 9 khz. no microprocessor,just good old school digital ic's I'm in the process of building a website with pictures and mp3. price will be 500 U$S + shipping,by UPS or FEDEX from Uruguay payment by Western Union. Tell me if anyone's interested,because my price for Loopers delight list is U$S400 for the first units. I'm really happy with these small machine,i hope a new classic is born,i'm playing with it right now... Best regards. Maneco A.K.A. Juan Urquhart Mario Cassinonni 1667 Montevideo 11200 Uruguay South America ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Willers To: manexo@adinet.com.uy Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone Dear Maneco, a friend of mine just told me that about a year ago you mentioned on the LOOPER'S DELIGHT list that you buildt a clone of the EH 16 sec. delay unit. I am looking for something like this but don't know where to get it. Can you help me in any way? Best wishes, Andreas Willers Wacholderweg 25 D-14532 Kleinmachnow Germany www.andreaswillers.de --------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 08:07:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VC4Tl00368; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b401c3575b$e1edbbc0$e0154ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Root Canal Agony Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:04:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I too have a G2 and while it does a lot, I don't think you are going to get > everything you want out of this one box. I sure like it a lot, but the > looper is not really my favorite part. Also it's pretty esoteric to > program--maybe Steve Lawson could do a video 8->D The G2 not that hard to program, you just have to understand the architecture... It's VERY deep, though I do wish it mad a bit more processing power to handle some of the more extreme things I'd want it to do. That said, you can chain up some nutz effects. And the looper is top notch - I just use my old JamMan footswitch to control it, rather than a midi pedal, and it works great. There are loads of cool things you can do looping into a side chain and processing the loop separately so you have loops coming back nowt like they went in... lots of fun. Takes a while, but it's worth it. I've got pretty deep with mine now, I think... ...and if Lexicon wants to pay me a shedload of cash, I'd happily explain it all on video... :o) steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig details, news, MP3s etc.) www.stevelawson.net (the side-door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 08:30:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VCS7V03176; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <132301c35760$181f3080$0600a8c0@money2> From: "Paul Sanders" To: References: <000301c3572b$4bffee60$01b52b04@purgatory> Subject: Re: Preamps? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:34:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0YzoPC.A.gx.XtQK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:22 AM Subject: RE: Preamps? > >I really dig my Tech 21 PSA1. Something about that Analog Sansamp sound > >I've never been able to get with the amp modelers. > > I read gushing, glowing reviews and really scathing, bad ones--which > is typical for just about *any* product on the market, or so it seems > to me. But I trust the opinions of people on this list, since pretty > much all of you are high-end gear freaks? Am I not mistaken?? lol > > I will definitely test drive the Tech 21. Thanks. I just bought a PSA-1, actually a couple of them. I don't know how I ended up with two, but I need to sell one! If you are interested, $350+ shipping. Manual included. The thing I noticed about the PSA1 is whoever created the factory settings was definately in hairband mode. I find most of them way too "heavy", but in a thin and buzzy way. I'm finding if you tweak the knobs you can dial in all kinds of cool, thick, and greasy tones. Lot's of tonal control for sure. I wonder how may of the bad reviews are based on the factory presets. Paul > > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 09:06:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VD1pQ06906; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <168.22153416.2c5a6d32@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:01:38 EDT Subject: Re: European/British Isles Loop Tour comes to an end To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6VD1pW06880 Resent-Message-ID: <7ehxSC.A.wrB._MRK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yay Rick! Glad you're back. Your tour is an inspirational accomplishment to those of use who are inclined to say "Nah, I'd never be able to do that. It'd never work" Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html In a message dated 7/30/03 6:58:25 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Chris and I returned to Santa Cruz yesterday ending my long and exhilirating >live looping tour of 8 countries in Europe and the >British Isles. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 09:28:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VDOjK09475; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:24:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:24:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: rds7.6 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:24:39 -0400 Message-ID: <008401c35767$1859c450$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <51DBD012.31E72D94.0018D882@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3D4ud.A.6TC.diRK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lots of CMOS IC's in that series. It is pretty cheap (the CMOS), and usually all socketed. You can find the 4xxx (read four thousand series) at http://www.mouser.com. Prices are usually about fifty cents per IC. ESD techniques are in effect when handling these IC's. BUY A STRAP! Oh, I guess I should mention that the CMOS was/is prone to failure. You can probably shotgun all the CMOS for about $15. A chip puller will help you as well. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: THusken@aol.com [mailto:THusken@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rds7.6 Hello everyone. I just snagged an RDS 7.6 from an ebay auction. Unfortunately the unit did not work when I received it. The unit is in beautiful cosmetic shape and all the led's are working, but the signal seems to 'pass through the unit' without adding so much as a little slapback. What gives? This problem seems so drastic that to my untrained brain, it seems like there might be a simple solution lurking somewhere. Any help you guys could give would be appreciated. Thanks, Todd Husken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 09:29:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VDPol09610; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:25:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:25:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: rds7.6 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:25:44 -0400 Message-ID: <008501c35767$3ec6f4a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030731040455.34691.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_Oh_IC.A.-VC.ejRK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't adjust trim pots on digital devices. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rds7.6 --- THusken@aol.com wrote: > Hello everyone. > I just snagged an RDS 7.6 from an ebay auction. > Unfortunately the unit did not work when I received > it. The unit is in beautiful cosmetic shape and all > the led's are working, but the signal seems to 'pass > through the unit' without adding so much as a little > slapback. What gives? > This problem seems so drastic that to my untrained > brain, it seems like there might be a simple > solution lurking somewhere. > Any help you guys could give would be appreciated. > Thanks, Todd Husken Assuming the unit is not defective, you might try the following: 1) make sure the effect is engaged by pressing the effect button on the front panel 2) make sure you're connected to the mix and/or phase outputs & that the mix, input, & output knobs on front are turned up 3) make sure you're in delay mode & not sample 4) make sure that HOLD is not engaged You might even want to open the unit & adjust the trim-pot to see if this helps. Instructions for this procedure & the users manual are available on the LD website. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/timemachine/timemachine.html Good luck. I hope you didn't get a lemon. I bought one off ebay several years ago & although it's beat to hell, it still operates just fine. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 09:29:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VDR2c09766; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:27:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: rds7.6 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:26:57 -0400 Message-ID: <008601c35767$6a49df20$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030731045806.56468.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe Digitech charges a flat fee of $85 for legacy product repairs. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rds7.6 --- THusken@aol.com wrote: > Thanks John, > I've had an RDS 7.6 for over ten years (my first > looper) and thought I'd pick > up a second as a spare. > All settings are correct but maybe something > happened to the trim pot. I > will give that a shot. > The unit looks like brand new, very clean, knobs > firm, buttons 'clicky'...the > one thing I forgot to mention is that the effect led > does blink somewhat but > will stay on if the switch is 'finessed' a little. > Thanks again for the help John, ...any other ideas > gang? If not by me, would > the unit be repairable? -Todd It certainly can't hurt to email Digitech & ask if they still do repair work on the 7.6. They were good to me when I needed repair for my old GSP-2101. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 10:46:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VEhJN19426; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:43:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:43:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: Preamps?--presets Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:43:12 -0400 Message-ID: <008701c35772$119791a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <007801c33ecf$bf162dc0$6401a8c0@p4> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't all factory patches suck? Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: David Swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 2:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Preamps? wow i am being useful to you today ! I recently did a 'shoot out' of the modellers, personally I found the pod xt ... erm shit, all the different models just sounded like there was more or less gain or eq, anyway i went with the boss gt6, the digitech was ok, never liked the sansamp preamp, the pedals are cool though. The thing i would advise is try them all i know people who have come to the exact opposite conclusion ! I find with the gt-6 i can get most of the sounds i want, just remember turn all the bloody chorus off that roland like to stamp on everything ! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:14 AM Subject: Preamps? > Last question Re: my new gear purchases. > > I'm also looking into a preamp/amp modeler to go along with my other > gear (G-Force, EDP mainly). I'm interested in the new Line 6 Pod > ProXT. Anyone own one yet or have any experience with that unit? > > I've read reviews of other products (Tech 21 Sans Amp, for instance), > too, so I'd be interested in surveying this group just to get more > feedback. I see direct recording in my future, which is what makes > the Line 6 stuff appealing. Of course, I can/will record the > old-fashioned way in the future, too, but having the direct option > sure would be nice--I think?? > > Again, thanks in advance. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 10:56:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VEs7720289; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:54:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:54:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAEEC@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Switchblade Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:53:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <23LffB.A.48E.P2SK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > It sure helps to be married to a fellow musician! > or in my (very fortunate) case, my guitar tech! m.c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 11:05:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VF39h21717; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:03:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:03:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:01:04 -0500 Subject: Re: rds7.6 From: ":: noise ::" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200307311118.h6VBIpi27856@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello I had the same problem with one of my 7.6 units. A dry signal would pass but not the delay effect. With mine, a few of the solder connections on the main board had been jarred in transit. These were the actual solder connections that connect the front panel control pots to the board. It's actually a weak spot in design since the pots alone hold the board in place (suspended actually) You'll have to dismantle the whole unit to gain access to the bottom of the main board. A little soldering and I was back in business! good luck adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 11:34:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VFTk324992; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Palmer" To: Subject: RE: Preamps? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:27:47 -0500 Message-ID: <019a01c35778$4c529b40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i really like the digitech gnx-3 (or the gnx-2, it's the same thing without the recorder/fake looper). the presets are mostly crap, though. the thing that impressed me most is the distortion stomp box models. i had never heard a proper sounding tube screamer model before. and it's nice to have that old boss ds-1 munch available. the sparkle drive is cool, too. notably lacking is an octave fuzz. i made one with using the pitch shifter, but it doesn't sound quite right. it also has the digi whammy pedal built in. you can assign the built in controller pedal to control just about any parameter, and you always have wah available by stomping down on the front of it. i spent a few hours in guitar center trying things out before i bought it. you definitely have to dial in your own sounds before you can compare them. i sold my pod to get this. i didn't try the pod xt pro, though. i wasn't after a rack mount unit. i bet it's speaker emulation is a bit better. the convenience of it sold me. now i just need to build a floor version out of my edp and i won't need a rack at all... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:14 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Preamps? > > > Last question Re: my new gear purchases. > > I'm also looking into a preamp/amp modeler to go along with my other > gear (G-Force, EDP mainly). I'm interested in the new Line 6 Pod > ProXT. Anyone own one yet or have any experience with that unit? > > I've read reviews of other products (Tech 21 Sans Amp, for instance), > too, so I'd be interested in surveying this group just to get more > feedback. I see direct recording in my future, which is what makes > the Line 6 stuff appealing. Of course, I can/will record the > old-fashioned way in the future, too, but having the direct option > sure would be nice--I think?? > > Again, thanks in advance. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 11:42:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VFeiN26163; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:48:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re:preamps Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the first version pod pro. I have had to spend many hours to get the presets to sound like I want them to. I chalked that up to Line 6 targeting a much younger demographic than my middle aged bad self. Most of the factory presets were way over blown, but that seems pretty typical of any signal processor designed for guitarists, ie.. "let's impress the kiddies with this triple overdriven,bi-flanged shred tone with the carlsbad caverns reverb" That being said, I'm pretty happy with the pod pro. Very versatile and easy to use. Can't say much for the built in modulation effects, but since I've never used the sound driver software to fine tune presets, and I typically like my modulation either very subtle or very extreme, I figure they would probably sound better if I spent more time fine tuning. I really dig the leslie effect, though. One thing about the new pod that I don't find too appealing is they left out one of my favorite effects in the swell/delay patch. What gives Line 6? Also, I have heard from some circles that the original modeling algorithms sound better than the latest versions from Line 6, but I haven't had the time to a/b them myself. The new Pod XT seems to have more versatile output routing, particularly for digital interfacing to computers. I know that you can still get first generation pod pros at blow out prices. All and all, tone is so terribly subjective, everyones tastes are different, try it all and see what you like. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 12:05:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VFxmY28279; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAEED@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Cc: davidtorn@yahoogroups.com Subject: FS: TOA single space rack mixer(s) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:59:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry 'bout the spamishness of this... TOA D-3 single space rack mixer 4 stereo channels + xlr input (w/ phantom power) on ch 4 fx send level on each channel post-fader outs on each channel stereo, sum and tape outs $100 plus shipping i have a couple of these for sale. please reply off list. thanks, m.c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 13:24:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VHJjp04263; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:19:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:19:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <002001c3574c$85a32b20$404dfea9@manecofl9t5bcf> Subject: Re: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone specs hurry up,just 400 U$S + shipping Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:19:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_021C_01C3574D.3F0227B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 17:19:38.0645 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBE65C50:01C35787] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021C_01C3574D.3F0227B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EH 16 sec. Delay CloneYou might want to put up demos and pictures if you = want to attract interest.... bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our = playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to = and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Maneco=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:14 AM Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone specs hurry up,just 400 U$S + shipping ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Maneco=20 To: Andreas Willers=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone specs hurry up,just 400 U$S + shipping Hello, i've just finished my new looper,based on the eh 16 or better,the = never released eh64... specs: 8 bit with companding ,noise gating and pre-de-empahsis 2 up to one minute loops in memory,non volatile. click (i asked the click question because i wanted to know if those = strange "in between "settings were ok) reverse slow infinite=20 feedback kill bypass all of these footswitches are in the same stompbox ,no remote needed. one a/b loop select switch,with remote input in a jack. pots: coarse and fine delay feedback level mix click select rate and depth of triangular wave pitch and speed modulation. sampling rate at lowest pitch or frequency is around 20khz,and the = audio is filtered to about 9 khz. no microprocessor,just good old school digital ic's I'm in the process of building a website with pictures and mp3. price will be 500 U$S + shipping,by UPS or FEDEX from Uruguay payment by Western Union. Tell me if anyone's interested,because my price for Loopers delight = list is U$S400 for the first units. I'm really happy with these small machine,i hope a new classic is = born,i'm playing with it right now... Best regards. Maneco A.K.A. Juan Urquhart Mario Cassinonni 1667 Montevideo 11200=20 Uruguay South America ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Willers=20 To: manexo@adinet.com.uy=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone Dear Maneco, a friend of mine just told me that about a year ago you mentioned on = the LOOPER'S DELIGHT list that you buildt a clone of the EH 16 sec. = delay unit. I am looking for something like this but don't know where to get it. = Can you help me in any way? Best wishes, Andreas Willers Wacholderweg 25 D-14532 Kleinmachnow Germany www.andreaswillers.de --------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_021C_01C3574D.3F0227B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EH 16 sec. Delay Clone
You might want to put up demos and = pictures if you=20 want to attract interest....
 
 
bIz
 
------------
http://www.groovetronica.com - = "Well, it=20 hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are = no djs=20 here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music = right=20 now."
------------
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Maneco=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 = 3:14=20 AM
Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone = specs=20 hurry up,just 400 U$S + shipping

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Maneco=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:17 PM
Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay Clone specs hurry up,just 400 = U$S +=20 shipping

Hello,
i've just finished my new = looper,based on the eh=20 16 or better,the never released eh64...
specs:
 
8 bit with companding ,noise gating = and=20 pre-de-empahsis
2 up to one minute loops in = memory,non=20 volatile.
click (i asked the click question = because i=20 wanted to know if those strange "in between "settings were = ok)
reverse
slow
infinite
feedback kill
bypass
 
all of these footswitches are in the = same=20 stompbox ,no remote needed.
one a/b loop select switch,with = remote input in a=20 jack.
pots:
coarse and fine delay
feedback level
mix
click select
rate and depth of triangular wave = pitch and speed=20 modulation.
sampling rate at lowest pitch or = frequency is=20 around 20khz,and the audio is filtered to about 9 khz.
no microprocessor,just good old = school digital=20 ic's
I'm in the process of building a = website with=20 pictures and mp3.
price will be 500 U$S + shipping,by = UPS or FEDEX=20 from Uruguay
payment by Western = Union.
Tell me if anyone's = interested,because my price=20 for Loopers delight list is U$S400 for the first=20 units.
I'm really happy with these small = machine,i hope=20 a new classic is born,i'm playing with it right now...
Best regards.
Maneco
 
A.K.A. Juan Urquhart
 
Mario Cassinonni 1667
 
Montevideo 11200
 
Uruguay
 
South America
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas=20 Willers
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, = 2003 1:23=20 PM
Subject: EH 16 sec. Delay = Clone

Dear Maneco,

a friend of mine just told me that = about a year=20 ago you mentioned on the
LOOPER'S DELIGHT list that you buildt a = clone of=20 the EH 16 sec. delay unit.
I am looking for something like this = but don't=20 know where to get it. Can you
help me in any way?

Best=20 wishes,

Andreas Willers
Wacholderweg 25
D-14532=20 Kleinmachnow
Germany
www.andreaswillers.de
<= /DIV>
---------------------=20
------=_NextPart_000_021C_01C3574D.3F0227B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 14:15:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VID4b10014; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAEEC@tiger.middlebury.edu> Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:12:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 18:12:57.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[5ED6C860:01C3578F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh honey, after you finished cooking supper, could you resolder channels 1-8 of my mixer's sends back to prefader they way made them before, pretty please? I think there might be less slagging in the signal that way dear, and the new reverb you just bought me probably works better at that point in the chain. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our playlist, I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play music, so we're just playing automated music right now." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christensen, Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: RE: Switchblade > > > > -----Original Message----- > > It sure helps to be married to a fellow musician! > > > > or in my (very fortunate) case, my guitar tech! > > m.c. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 14:18:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VIEYt10261; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:14:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:14:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f401c35826$15609ac0$72a44a43@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAEEC@tiger.middlebury.edu> Subject: mac G5 -- what's the word? Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:11:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a mac...so i'm wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems to me that the G4 is still going for more than the G5. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 14:48:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VIgCp13146; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:42:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:42:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: mac G5 -- what's the word? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:42:06 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000d01c35793$7111d930$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <01f401c35826$15609ac0$72a44a43@g0wn7> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id h6VIgBW13122 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, I'm also a PC user (and a Mac user as well) and I have ordered a G5. For a couple of years I have been using PC's with fast P4 processors for studio recording but now the G5 is the machine that seems to make the best choice for a native DAW. And it seems to me as the music business will be even more "Applefied" now as the iTunes Music Store was such a huge success and the publishing software for music labels will soon be out for the Mac. Except for the low price PC's just don't make sense to me as they did some years ago. I mean, back then there were hardly no mp3 encoding software for Mac and you had to get a PC to code your mixes into mp3. All that has changed now and I'm so happy that the G5 machines will let me continue to work in Logic with the same muscles I'm used to from studio PC's :-) (I did never count on the G4 as an option though) Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan > -----Original Message----- > From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: mac G5 -- what's the word? > > > just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a > mac...so i'm wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems > to me that the G4 is still going for more than the G5. > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 15:02:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VIw9D23700; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:58:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:58:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030731185807.45473.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01f401c35826$15609ac0$72a44a43@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-247642664-1059677887=:45225" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-247642664-1059677887=:45225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Last I heard, the G5 will not be available until August, though considering today's date, this may not be that great an issue anymore. I don't know who told you the G4 costs more. I just got a dual-processor G4 with 120GB RAM, 512GB HD at a good discount because somebody bought it then returned it to the Apple store within days of the G5 announcement. G4s nowadays should be selling for at least $300 less than the nearest-priced G5 model. Paolo jimfowler wrote: just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a mac...so i'm wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems to me that the G4 is still going for more than the G5. -jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-247642664-1059677887=:45225 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Last I heard, the G5 will not be available until August, though considering today's date, this may not be that great an issue anymore.
 
I don't know who told you the G4 costs more.  I just got a dual-processor G4 with 120GB RAM, 512GB HD at a good discount because somebody bought it then returned it to the Apple store within days of the G5 announcement.  G4s nowadays should be selling for at least $300 less than the nearest-priced G5 model. 
 
Paolo


jimfowler <jimfowler@prodigy.net> wrote:
just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a mac...so i'm
wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems to me that the G4 is still
going for more than the G5.

-jim

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-247642664-1059677887=:45225-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 15:21:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VJDWk25979; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:13:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] X-Originating-Email: [nic_roozeboom@msn.com] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Preamps? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:13:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 19:13:21.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEB2FA20:01C35797] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too would like to chime in in support of the Line6 - I've owned a PodPro for about two years now, and am now using it exclusively as my guitar front-end. Though I've 'matured beyond' the offered presets, I did use them as starting points for twiddling to taste over time. The sound quality itself (in terms of fidelity, not texture/patch) is very good and I have very positive experiences with it using it in studio configurations. And I occasionally loop with it. Nic >From: Jeff Shirkey >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Preamps? >Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:14:04 -0500 > >Last question Re: my new gear purchases. > >I'm also looking into a preamp/amp modeler to go along with my other gear >(G-Force, EDP mainly). I'm interested in the new Line 6 Pod ProXT. Anyone >own one yet or have any experience with that unit? > >I've read reviews of other products (Tech 21 Sans Amp, for instance), too, >so I'd be interested in surveying this group just to get more feedback. I >see direct recording in my future, which is what makes the Line 6 stuff >appealing. Of course, I can/will record the old-fashioned way in the >future, too, but having the direct option sure would be nice--I think?? > >Again, thanks in advance. > >Jeff > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 15:26:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VJMl426962; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:22:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:22:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c35799$1f735210$5e6e7680@NShortway> From: "Nick Shortway" To: References: Subject: Re: Preamps? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:22:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ditto...i use it in conjuntion with my DL4. I love that freakin company. -Nick np: Polygon Window - Audax Powder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: Re: Preamps? > I too would like to chime in in support of the Line6 - I've owned a PodPro > for about two years now, and am now using it exclusively as my guitar > front-end. Though I've 'matured beyond' the offered presets, I did use them > as starting points for twiddling to taste over time. The sound quality > itself (in terms of fidelity, not texture/patch) is very good and I have > very positive experiences with it using it in studio configurations. > > And I occasionally loop with it. > > Nic > > > >From: Jeff Shirkey > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Preamps? > >Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:14:04 -0500 > > > >Last question Re: my new gear purchases. > > > >I'm also looking into a preamp/amp modeler to go along with my other gear > >(G-Force, EDP mainly). I'm interested in the new Line 6 Pod ProXT. Anyone > >own one yet or have any experience with that unit? > > > >I've read reviews of other products (Tech 21 Sans Amp, for instance), too, > >so I'd be interested in surveying this group just to get more feedback. I > >see direct recording in my future, which is what makes the Line 6 stuff > >appealing. Of course, I can/will record the old-fashioned way in the > >future, too, but having the direct option sure would be nice--I think?? > > > >Again, thanks in advance. > > > >Jeff > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 15:42:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VJdIw28720; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:39:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:39:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 1e95171f aee23e9e 67ae1140 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That isn't all that far from the truth... but it usually sounds more like, "Why can't I call up a specific patch from my synth via Digital Performer?" Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 11:12 AM, sserendipity wrote: > > Oh honey, after you finished cooking supper, could you resolder > channels 1-8 > of my mixer's sends back to prefader they way made them before, pretty > please? I think there might be less slagging in the signal that way > dear, > and the new reverb you just bought me probably works better at that > point in > the chain. > > bIz > > ------------ > http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our > playlist, > I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play > music, so we're just playing automated music right now." > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christensen, Mark" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:53 AM > Subject: RE: Switchblade > > >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> It sure helps to be married to a fellow musician! >>> >> >> or in my (very fortunate) case, my guitar tech! >> >> m.c. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 15:45:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VJh3H29263; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:43:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:43:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030731194257.39680.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:42:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: rds7.6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008501c35767$3ec6f4a0$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-MOO_D.A.GJH.HFXK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a pretty well-known adjustment. You're trading off fidelity for delay time, which in many cases is perfectly appropriate in this day and age of lo-fi and granularity. Perhaps your caveat should read "Don't adjust trimpots on digital devices IF you want to keep manufacturer's spec." -t- --- Will Brake wrote: > Don't adjust trim pots on digital devices. > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/timemachine/timemachine.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 15:46:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VJhZf29439; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:43:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:43:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003301c35799$1f735210$5e6e7680@NShortway> References: <003301c35799$1f735210$5e6e7680@NShortway> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:43:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Preamps? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Ditto...i use it in conjuntion with my DL4. If I'm not mistaken, the XT Pro includes DL4 (and lots of other) fx models built right in--just in case anyone else is wondering about the additions the XT makes to the regular Pro. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 15:48:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VJkRH29973; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:46:21 -0700 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--230796880 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: ebaf2887 aee23e9e 67ae1140 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20030731185807.45473.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: <0QN0xC.A.JUH.TIXK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--230796880 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed This is what I've found as well. I'm always of the mind to buy the top=20= of the line (or close to it) AFTER Apple announces a new model line. =20 One of the main reasons I bought the Mac that I did when I did was=20 because I found out it was the *last* of the Macs that would boot into=20= OS9. While that's not a bad thing for most, I have a few apps that I=20 know won't ever be ported to OSX and will not run correctly (or at all)=20= in "Classic." On the other hand, with the G5's seemingly amazing increase over the=20 G4, it might be worth a little bit more to get the best. Apple says=20 the G5 will trounce any Pentium (it's about damn time). Here are the=20 benchmark results: http://www.apple.com/powermac/ Mark On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Last I heard, the G5 will not be available until August, though=20 > considering today's date, this may not be that great an issue anymore. > =A0 > I don't know who told you the G4 costs more.=A0 I just got a=20 > dual-processor G4 with 120GB RAM, 512GB HD at a good discount because=20= > somebody bought it then returned it to the Apple store within days of=20= > the G5 announcement.=A0 G4s nowadays should be selling for at least = $300=20 > less than the nearest-priced G5 model.=A0 > =A0 > Paolo > > > jimfowler wrote: > > just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a mac...so=20= > i'm > wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems to me that the G4 is=20 > still > going for more than the G5. > > -jim > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software= --Apple-Mail-2--230796880 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is what I've found as well. I'm always of the mind to buy the top of the line (or close to it) AFTER Apple announces a new model line. One of the main reasons I bought the Mac that I did when I did was because I found out it was the *last* of the Macs that would boot into OS9. While that's not a bad thing for most, I have a few apps that I know won't ever be ported to OSX and will not run correctly (or at all) in "Classic." On the other hand, with the G5's seemingly amazing increase over the G4, it might be worth a little bit more to get the best. Apple says the G5 will trounce any Pentium (it's about damn time). Here are the benchmark results: http://www.apple.com/powermac/ Mark On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: Last I heard, the G5 will not be available until August, though considering today's date, this may not be that great an issue anymore. =A0 I don't know who told you the G4 costs more.=A0 I just got a dual-processor G4 with 120GB RAM, 512GB HD at a good discount because somebody bought it then returned it to the Apple store within days of the G5 announcement.=A0 G4s nowadays should be selling for at least $300 less than the nearest-priced G5 model.=A0 =A0 Paolo jimfowler < wrote: just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a mac...so i'm wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems to me that the G4 is still going for more than the G5. -jim < Do you Yahoo!? 1999,1999,FFFFYahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software= --Apple-Mail-2--230796880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 15:54:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VJqLC30731; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:52:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:52:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: rds7.6 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:52:15 -0400 Message-ID: <009301c3579d$3e0b5d40$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030731194257.39680.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go ahead, tweak away. Open all your boxes and start turning all the adjustments. I make more money that way, people getting into their gear, thinking they will get something "more" out of a box by tweezing it. I'll admit, sometimes in rare instances this is the case, but with everyone complaining about the cost of this or the sound quality of that, you're best to keep your hands out!! Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: rds7.6 It's a pretty well-known adjustment. You're trading off fidelity for delay time, which in many cases is perfectly appropriate in this day and age of lo-fi and granularity. Perhaps your caveat should read "Don't adjust trimpots on digital devices IF you want to keep manufacturer's spec." -t- --- Will Brake wrote: > Don't adjust trim pots on digital devices. > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/timemachine/timemachine.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 15:59:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VJtNL31306; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:55:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:55:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c3579d$ad455530$5e6e7680@NShortway> From: "Nick Shortway" To: References: <003301c35799$1f735210$5e6e7680@NShortway> Subject: Re: Preamps? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:55:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but does it have the loop sampler? that's mostly what i use the dl4 for ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Preamps? > >Ditto...i use it in conjuntion with my DL4. > > If I'm not mistaken, the XT Pro includes DL4 (and lots of other) fx > models built right in--just in case anyone else is wondering about > the additions the XT makes to the regular Pro. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 16:46:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VKhpf05583; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:43:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:43:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030731204345.51545.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: rds7.6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009301c3579d$3e0b5d40$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, if you want to be sarcastic about it, we could reword the caveat to "Don't adjust trimpots on digital devices if you have no idea what you're doing, or what your intention is in doing so." I'm not advising people without electronic knowledge to open their boxes "and start turning ALL the adjustments" willy-nilly, to put their tongues on large capacitors or to run with pointy screwdrivers. I'm talking about a specific adjustment that many, many people have done to make their Digitech delays more usable in their own situations. Think about it: if it weren't meant to be adjustable, wouldn't it be a fixed resistor instead of a variable one? We're all aware that you have to open the device to access the trimpots; I'm not saying they should be used in the same way as panel controls. (Although there was a guy on the Benders list who recently replaced the trims on his PDS-4000 with regular, user-grabbable pots/knobs, and he was pretty happy with the results...) Yes, I agree with you that people shouldn't randomly change internal trimpot settings, and I don't think that's limited to digital equipment: for example, twiddling the tube bias controls on a nice old Marshall just to see what happens would be bad. But to make absolutist statements like 'Don't ever adjust trimpots' or 'All presets suck' (which is actually sorta contradictory in the sense that they're both intentional manufacturers' settings) reminds me of the days when recording engineers wore white lab coats and saw to it that the needle never, ever entered the red. Or when amp manufacturers saw 'distortion' as an evil to be exorcised through better, cleaner engineering. And yes, abusing musical equipment can make things break/smell funny/catch on fire and doesn't necessarily sound good. But remember, just as music evolves, the equipment used and more importantly the WAY the equipment is used evolves too. If something can be made more useful through modification, why not? Those mods, especially if espoused by a famous person, show up in some form or another the next generation of gear. Eddie Van Halen plugged his amp into a variac; we all know that's not good for tubes and transformers. But look how influential (for better or worse) that was on the next generation of amp circuits designed to more safely replicate the sound through hotter preamp stages... So please don't imply that ALL owners of musical electronics are ignorant simply because SOME are. Sure, there'll be some impetuous ones who'll mess the thing up and bring it in for repair, but you're either not doing business with those of us who quite ably do our own tech, or when you do hear of it, your response is similar to the black and white one you gave. -t- --- Will Brake wrote: > Go ahead, tweak away. Open all your boxes and start > turning all the > adjustments. I make more money that way, people > getting into their gear, > thinking they will get something "more" out of a box > by tweezing it. > > I'll admit, sometimes in rare instances this is the > case, but with > everyone complaining about the cost of this or the > sound quality of > that, you're best to keep your hands out!! > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: rds7.6 > > It's a pretty well-known adjustment. You're trading > off fidelity for delay time, which in many cases is > perfectly appropriate in this day and age of lo-fi > and > granularity. > > Perhaps your caveat should read "Don't adjust > trimpots > on digital devices IF you want to keep > manufacturer's > spec." > --- Will Brake wrote: > > Don't adjust trim pots on digital devices. > > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/timemachine/timemachine.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 16:47:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VKiGK05686; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:44:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:44:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005301c3579d$ad455530$5e6e7680@NShortway> References: <003301c35799$1f735210$5e6e7680@NShortway> <005301c3579d$ad455530$5e6e7680@NShortway> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:44:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Preamps? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1zoXt.A.tYB.g-XK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yeah, but does it have the loop sampler? that's mostly what i use the dl4 >for Just checked the specs, and I don't believe it does. Mea Culpa Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 16:54:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VKqMf07237; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F29846C.CD3BEA98@erols.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:04:44 -0400 From: John Mazzarella X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAEEC@tiger.middlebury.edu> <01f401c35826$15609ac0$72a44a43@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimfowler wrote: > just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a mac...so i'm > wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems to me that the G4 is still > going for more than the G5. > > -jim I have an ancient Pentium II PC that I've been using with Pro Tools Le Digi 001. Because I've been living in a very small apartment the past 2 years I haven't done much recording, choosing to focus on live looping. I'm new moving into a condo, where I'll have a dedicated music room/studio (sweet!). Anyway, I plan to upgrade my computer, and I'd like to get a Mac. I'm looking into a Mac G4, which starts at about $1299. I think the G5's are going for about $1999. I'll update to Pro Tools 6.1 which now supports rewire, so I can get Reason, which I'm looking forward to using. Here are a few questions: 1. Is it wise to get a G4 considering the G5's are coming out? It seems like the G4 has been the industry standard computer for the past few years. 2. In visiting a Mac store, a salesman told me that the G4 tower is compatible with any monitor, including my Dell PC monitor. Is this true? That would save a lot of additional money, until I can afford a Mac monitor(which are quite expensive) Thanks, John www.johnmazzarella.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 17:10:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VL6Nv09027; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:06:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:06:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030731210622.65645.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:06:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-626105120-1059685582=:64953" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-626105120-1059685582=:64953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I may apply the same philosophy to Handspring Treos. Been looking to replace both my 4-yr old PDA and 4-yr-old cell phone with one of those, especially after the newest Treo model comes out. Either way, I hope to be one of the first to play a gig with a mobile phone. ;) In deciding to get my G4 instead of waiting for the G5s to come out, I examined my needs. Since I'm just starting out on sequencing and digital audio on the Mac, I couldn't think of a scenario within the next 12 months where my requirements would exceed the capabilities of a dual-1.42 GHz processor G4. I've been avoiding pre-OSX apps/plugins in my search for softsynths to use with Numerology. Paolo msottilaro wrote: This is what I've found as well. I'm always of the mind to buy the top of the line (or close to it) AFTER Apple announces a new model line. One of the main reasons I bought the Mac that I did when I did was because I found out it was the *last* of the Macs that would boot into OS9. While that's not a bad thing for most, I have a few apps that I know won't ever be ported to OSX and will not run correctly (or at all) in "Classic." On the other hand, with the G5's seemingly amazing increase over the G4, it might be worth a little bit more to get the best. Apple says the G5 will trounce any Pentium (it's about damn time). Here are the benchmark results: http://www.apple.com/powermac/ Mark On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Last I heard, the G5 will not be available until August, though > considering today's date, this may not be that great an issue anymore. > > I don't know who told you the G4 costs more. I just got a > dual-processor G4 with 120GB RAM, 512GB HD at a good discount because > somebody bought it then returned it to the Apple store within days of > the G5 announcement. G4s nowadays should be selling for at least $300 > less than the nearest-priced G5 model. > > Paolo > > > jimfowler wrote: > > just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a mac...so > i'm > wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems to me that the G4 is > still > going for more than the G5. > > -jim > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I may apply the same philosophy to Handspring Treos.  Been looking to replace both my 4-yr old PDA and 4-yr-old cell phone with one of those, especially after the newest Treo model comes out.  Either way, I hope to be one of the first to play a gig with a mobile phone. ;)
 
In deciding to get my G4 instead of waiting for the G5s to come out, I examined my needs.  Since I'm just starting out on sequencing and digital audio on the Mac, I couldn't think of a scenario within the next 12 months where my requirements would exceed the capabilities of a dual-1.42 GHz processor G4.
 
I've been avoiding pre-OSX apps/plugins in my search for softsynths to use with Numerology.
 
Paolo
 

msottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
This is what I've found as well. I'm always of the mind to buy the top
of the line (or close to it) AFTER Apple announces a new model line.
One of the main reasons I bought the Mac that I did when I did was
because I found out it was the *last* of the Macs that would boot into
OS9. While that's not a bad thing for most, I have a few apps that I
know won't ever be ported to OSX and will not run correctly (or at all)
in "Classic."

On the other hand, with the G5's seemingly amazing increase over the
G4, it might be worth a little bit more to get the best. Apple says
the G5 will trounce any Pentium (it's about damn time). Here are the
benchmark results:

http://www.apple.com/powermac/

Mark
On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Paolo Valladolid wrote:

> Last I heard, the G5 will not be available until August, though
> considering today's date, this may not be that great an issue anymore.
>  
> I don't know who told you the G4 costs more.  I just got a
> dual-processor G4 with 120GB RAM, 512GB HD at a good discount because
> somebody bought it then returned it to the Apple store within days of
> the G5 announcement.  G4s nowadays should be selling for at least $300
> less than the nearest-priced G5 model. 
>  
> Paolo
>
>
> jimfowler wrote:
>
> just curious...i'm a pc user and need a good excuse to get a mac...so
> i'm
> wondering what the word is on the G5. it seems to me that the G4 is
> still
> going for more than the G5.
>
> -jim
>
>
>

>
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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-626105120-1059685582=:64953-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 17:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VLMVZ11648; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:22:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: mac G5 -- what's the word? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:22:25 +0200 Organization: BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Message-ID: <000201c357a9$d6a9fd20$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3F29846C.CD3BEA98@erols.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mazzarella [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] > 1. Is it wise to get a G4 considering the G5's are coming > out? I don't think it's wise if you are getting it for musical application. Most specifictions are so much better for the G5. Go to Apples site and check it out! > store, a salesman told me that the G4 tower is compatible > with any monitor, including my Dell PC monitor. Is this > true? I've been plugging monitors alteratively into PC's and my PowerBooke here for years. No problem :-) You might need a little adapter though. > That would save a lot of additional money, until I can > afford a Mac monitor(which are quite expensive) Yes, I'm not buying an Apple monitor. And I'm actually leasing the G5 until I'll own it after two years. That's a good idea since you can count off the cost from your income before calculating the income taxes to pay. But then I'm in Sweden and I don't know if your taxing system will let you do that. All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 17:37:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VLShe12866; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:28:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:28:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] X-Originating-Email: [ssrndpty@hotmail.com] From: "sserendipity" To: References: Subject: Re: Switchblade Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:28:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 21:28:36.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3A57DD0:01C357AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ha! Your Repeating style is no match for my Againiator style. You sequence like a girl. Wait!! You sequence less than a girl. bIz ------------ http://www.groovetronica.com - "No offense, but a dated d&b loop with some Holiday Inn lounge singer hardly wows me technically or talent wise, and I could do better with a cassette deck and a microphone." ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "msottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Switchblade > That isn't all that far from the truth... but it usually sounds more > like, "Why can't I call up a specific patch from my synth via Digital > Performer?" > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 11:12 AM, sserendipity wrote: > > > > > Oh honey, after you finished cooking supper, could you resolder > > channels 1-8 > > of my mixer's sends back to prefader they way made them before, pretty > > please? I think there might be less slagging in the signal that way > > dear, > > and the new reverb you just bought me probably works better at that > > point in > > the chain. > > > > bIz > > > > ------------ > > http://www.groovetronica.com - "Well, it hasn't made it into our > > playlist, > > I'm afraid. It's summer so there are no djs here to listen to and play > > music, so we're just playing automated music right now." > > ------------ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christensen, Mark" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:53 AM > > Subject: RE: Switchblade > > > > > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> It sure helps to be married to a fellow musician! > >>> > >> > >> or in my (very fortunate) case, my guitar tech! > >> > >> m.c. > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 17:52:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VLnGB15853; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:49:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Will Brake" To: Subject: RE: rds7.6 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:49:10 -0400 Message-ID: <009a01c357ad$9364ee90$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20030731204345.51545.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, who pissed in your cornflakes? LOL >From my observations, there are many on this list who are capable, with the knowledge to adjust and tweak with excellent results. Unfortunately, based on some of the problems brought up here, and some of the answers, I would suggest that the great majority of people shouldn't get inside their gear without first having an idea of what they are doing. Perhaps I was a little hasty in using black and white to paint with. I should have used shades of grey. Sorry. I might suggest you be careful about suggesting tweaks without including a disclaimer as to the results. I personally prefer my digital delay without distortion... Maybe next time I won't try to help or maybe I'll write some convoluted reply that misses the point completely. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics BTW-my white lab coat is actually blue... -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: rds7.6 Well, if you want to be sarcastic about it, we could reword the caveat to "Don't adjust trimpots on digital devices if you have no idea what you're doing, or what your intention is in doing so." I'm not advising people without electronic knowledge to open their boxes "and start turning ALL the adjustments" willy-nilly, to put their tongues on large capacitors or to run with pointy screwdrivers. I'm talking about a specific adjustment that many, many people have done to make their Digitech delays more usable in their own situations. Think about it: if it weren't meant to be adjustable, wouldn't it be a fixed resistor instead of a variable one? We're all aware that you have to open the device to access the trimpots; I'm not saying they should be used in the same way as panel controls. (Although there was a guy on the Benders list who recently replaced the trims on his PDS-4000 with regular, user-grabbable pots/knobs, and he was pretty happy with the results...) Yes, I agree with you that people shouldn't randomly change internal trimpot settings, and I don't think that's limited to digital equipment: for example, twiddling the tube bias controls on a nice old Marshall just to see what happens would be bad. But to make absolutist statements like 'Don't ever adjust trimpots' or 'All presets suck' (which is actually sorta contradictory in the sense that they're both intentional manufacturers' settings) reminds me of the days when recording engineers wore white lab coats and saw to it that the needle never, ever entered the red. Or when amp manufacturers saw 'distortion' as an evil to be exorcised through better, cleaner engineering. And yes, abusing musical equipment can make things break/smell funny/catch on fire and doesn't necessarily sound good. But remember, just as music evolves, the equipment used and more importantly the WAY the equipment is used evolves too. If something can be made more useful through modification, why not? Those mods, especially if espoused by a famous person, show up in some form or another the next generation of gear. Eddie Van Halen plugged his amp into a variac; we all know that's not good for tubes and transformers. But look how influential (for better or worse) that was on the next generation of amp circuits designed to more safely replicate the sound through hotter preamp stages... So please don't imply that ALL owners of musical electronics are ignorant simply because SOME are. Sure, there'll be some impetuous ones who'll mess the thing up and bring it in for repair, but you're either not doing business with those of us who quite ably do our own tech, or when you do hear of it, your response is similar to the black and white one you gave. -t- --- Will Brake wrote: > Go ahead, tweak away. Open all your boxes and start > turning all the > adjustments. I make more money that way, people > getting into their gear, > thinking they will get something "more" out of a box > by tweezing it. > > I'll admit, sometimes in rare instances this is the > case, but with > everyone complaining about the cost of this or the > sound quality of > that, you're best to keep your hands out!! > > Respect > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit Electronics > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: rds7.6 > > It's a pretty well-known adjustment. You're trading > off fidelity for delay time, which in many cases is > perfectly appropriate in this day and age of lo-fi > and > granularity. > > Perhaps your caveat should read "Don't adjust > trimpots > on digital devices IF you want to keep > manufacturer's > spec." > --- Will Brake wrote: > > Don't adjust trim pots on digital devices. > > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/timemachine/timemachine.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 18:43:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VMeAJ24460; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:40:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:40:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:40:04 -0700 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: 056b1c20 aee23e9e 67ae1140 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030731210622.65645.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've been avoiding pre-OSX apps/plugins in my search for softsynths to > use with Numerology. Good idea. I invested $300 on the Audioease Nautilus bundle of MAS plug-ins because I was in love with the Granular Synthesis plug in. I've emailed Audioease and it looks like they'll be no OSX version for a long time, if ever. That's why I like hardware. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 18:59:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VMqOr26502; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:52:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:52:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030731225218.59084.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:52:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: rds7.6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009a01c357ad$9364ee90$7f613d44@soulfruit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Will Brake wrote: > I might suggest you be careful > about suggesting tweaks without including a > disclaimer as to the results. (Note to Michael Lameyer: better make some more popcorn!) Did you read the link that was posted in the message you replied to? Here it is again: What is there in Leander's description that isn't specific enough? There are descriptions of the results including mention of reduced frequency response, there are warnings to mark the position of the trims so it's reversible if you don't like the results... > I personally prefer my digital delay > without distortion... I think the point is to change the bias just to the point of audible distortion, and then back it off enough that the distortion becomes inaudible. And that's that's a maximum adjustment; he does imply pretty clearly that most people will be happy with something less extreme. (He says "you have to experiment a little bit to find out what's okay for you.") If the tweak is done correctly, the audible result is not really 'distortion' per se in the sense of clipping, as much as it is a poorer frequency response. Still a type of distortion as it is indeed a degradation from the original, but it's not always undesirable given the intentions of the tweak. Personally, I think it would be cool to install a multiposition rotary switch on the 7.6 that would allow the user to choose between several bias resistor value 'resolutions' all the way from the pristine (for its day) factory spec down to 'long mangled delay', with several stops in between... > Maybe next time I won't try to help or maybe I'll > write some convoluted reply that misses the point >completely. I guess the "piss in my cornflakes" was that kind of sarcasm. I may be wrong, and I don't still have the original message you were responding to, but wasn't the suggestion to check the trimpots also an attempt to help? I read it as "Check the trimpots to see if they're properly adjusted, because a lot of people do this well-known tweak", not "Go in and fool around with the settings." Ordinarily I wouldn't be a candidate for "Crankiest Looper", but today's my birthday... :^P I just drove all the way to a music store (not even remotely my favorite, but they do have the largest selection around here) because there was a used stompbox I wanted to buy; when I tried it out, it was moribund. Maybe someone had been playing around with the trimpots. :-) -t- np: Jeff Beck - 'Who Else?' while I await the delayed new one... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 19:50:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VNllu01263; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030731234745.96027.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh man... As much as I am enjoying my new G4, it seems to me quite a few companies are handling the transition to Mac OS X rather messily. Sorry to hear about that. Hopefully this will all straighten out soon. Paolo --- msottilaro wrote: > > I've been avoiding pre-OSX apps/plugins in my > search for softsynths to > > use with Numerology. > > Good idea. I invested $300 on the Audioease > Nautilus bundle of MAS > plug-ins because I was in love with the Granular > Synthesis plug in. > I've emailed Audioease and it looks like they'll be > no OSX version for > a long time, if ever. > > That's why I like hardware. > > Mark Sottilaro > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 20:00:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6VNvf002944; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:57:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030731235740.96565.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:57:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F29846C.CD3BEA98@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Per Boysen wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Mazzarella > [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] > > > 1. Is it wise to get a G4 considering the G5's > are coming > > out? > > I don't think it's wise if you are getting it for > musical application. > Most specifictions are so much better for the G5. Go > to Apples site and > check it out! For anyone deciding between a G4 and a G5, I would say you need to ask yourself what it is you plan to do with your new machine and if it justifies spending $1999 US for the cheapeest G5 vs $1299 for the cheapest G4. If you can't think of any better reason to get a G5 other than updated technical specs, I'd say take advantage of the G4's lower price and hold off on the G5 at least until G6's come out. ;) I will reiterate I went with a G4 because I could not think of anything I would do that would so sorely tax a dual-processor G4, that I absolutely needed to get a G5 instead. Paolo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 20:56:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h710rXn09631; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:53:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:53:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:53:27 -0700 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Sybari-Trust: f9035f92 aee23e9e 67ae1140 00000004 From: msottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030731235740.96565.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8FB0B280-C3BA-11D7-9244-000A95719B36@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To put it all into perspective, I was doing a lot of music with a 7500 100 mhz back in the day. Mark On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 04:57 PM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > --- Per Boysen wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John Mazzarella >> [mailto:jmazzarella@erols.com] >> >>> 1. Is it wise to get a G4 considering the G5's >> are coming >>> out? >> >> I don't think it's wise if you are getting it for >> musical application. >> Most specifictions are so much better for the G5. Go >> to Apples site and >> check it out! > > For anyone deciding between a G4 and a G5, I would say > you need to ask yourself what it is you plan to do > with your new machine and if it justifies spending > $1999 US for the cheapeest G5 vs $1299 for the > cheapest G4. If you can't think of any better reason > to get a G5 other than updated technical specs, I'd > say take advantage of the G4's lower price and hold > off on the G5 at least until G6's come out. ;) > > I will reiterate I went with a G4 because I could not > think of anything I would do that would so sorely tax > a dual-processor G4, that I absolutely needed to get a > G5 instead. > > Paolo > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 21:12:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71195R12166; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:09:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:09:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:09:03 -0700 Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Travis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200308010056.h710udD10303@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One thing to take into account: the dual-proc G4's had a really, really noisy fan. I believe Apple had a swap-out program, but I'm not sure. I sit next to one at work, and it's louder than I'd want in my recording area/control room. TravisH On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 05:56 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I will reiterate I went with a G4 because I could not > think of anything I would do that would so sorely tax > a dual-processor G4, that I absolutely needed to get a > G5 instead. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 21:28:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h711QLN14580; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c357cb$8af697e0$92e75cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <000d01c35793$7111d930$b42359d5@boysenhjewg9uu> Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:23:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > (I did never count on the G4 as an option though) Interesting comment. I've been looking at buying a G4 after the G5 hits the street. (My local Apple store says they should receive the first two models at the end of August.) What leads you to the opinion that a G4 isn't an option? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 21:32:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h711Uqi15279; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:30:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:30:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c357cc$2c6ea720$92e75cd1@billfox> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAEEC@tiger.middlebury.edu> <01f401c35826$15609ac0$72a44a43@g0wn7> <3F29846C.CD3BEA98@erols.com> Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:28:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mazzarella" > 2. In visiting a Mac store, a salesman told me that the G4 tower is > compatible with any monitor, including my Dell PC monitor. Is this true? > That would save a lot of additional money, until I can afford a Mac > monitor(which are quite expensive) I was at Double Click Computers yesterday and was told the same thing, that a G4 will work with any VGA monitor. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 21:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h711YkN15909; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:34:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030801013444.30866.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine is quieter than my 400MHz Compaq. Paolo --- Travis wrote: > One thing to take into account: the dual-proc G4's > had a really, really > noisy fan. I believe Apple had a swap-out program, > but I'm not sure. > I sit next to one at work, and it's louder than I'd > want in my > recording area/control room. > > TravisH > > On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 05:56 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > I will reiterate I went with a G4 because I could > not > > think of anything I would do that would so sorely > tax > > a dual-processor G4, that I absolutely needed to > get a > > G5 instead. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 21:51:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h711m7R17976; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:48:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:48:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:53:06 -0500 Subject: Re: rds7.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <009301c3579d$3e0b5d40$7f613d44@soulfruit> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 02:52 PM, Will Brake wrote: > Go ahead, tweak away. Open all your boxes and start turning all the > adjustments. I make more money that way, people getting into their > gear, > thinking they will get something "more" out of a box by tweezing it. i find the VCO trimpot adjustment on the RDS units to be one of the coolest things ever. i don't even bother to try to keep it from sounding like total crap .... i just cranked it out all the way. it tops at 34 seconds, which works out to be most likely around a 4k or 6k sampling rate. especially on the 7.6, because it doesn't scale the anti-aliasing filter properly and it sounds like digital grunge. i really don't think anyone buys RDS units for their pristine audio quality, and there's not much harm to be done by fiddling inside of them. in fact, you don't really get 100% feedback from the front panel unless you tweak the feedback trimmer on the inside. however, i wouldn't make a habit of doing that to all the gear i own. in fact, i don't like messing with anything i can't replace for a hundred bucks. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 21:58:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h711trP19137; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:55:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:55:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3F29C890.2060809@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:55:28 -0400 From: Scott Carr Reply-To: scott@tapehissrecordings.com Organization: Tapehiss Recordings User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac G5 -- what's the word? References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0A3FAEEC@tiger.middlebury.edu> <01f401c35826$15609ac0$72a44a43@g0wn7> <3F29846C.CD3BEA98@erols.com> <00d801c357cc$2c6ea720$92e75cd1@billfox> In-Reply-To: <00d801c357cc$2c6ea720$92e75cd1@billfox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [151.197.189.217] at Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:55:46 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's true. The G4s I've worked with work with any VGA or DVI monitor. Scott Bill Fox wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Mazzarella" > >>2. In visiting a Mac store, a salesman told me that the G4 tower is >>compatible with any monitor, including my Dell PC monitor. Is this true? >>That would save a lot of additional money, until I can afford a Mac >>monitor(which are quite expensive) > > > I was at Double Click Computers yesterday and was told the same thing, that a G4 > will work with any VGA monitor. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 22:30:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h712R1p22659; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:27:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01cd01c357d5$3ad08320$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents LEARK with cheryl o Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:33:02 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 5th - LEARK with cheryl o >From the bowels of the Harrison-LeCaine building in the ancient limestone campus of Queen's University comes a musical force bred from neglect. Left to fester in the dark recesses of the studios six prisoners passed the time playing dice, forging crude weapons and making some of the strangest Max patches you have ever heard. LEARK (the Live ElectroAcoustic Research Kitchen) sends four founding members to Toronto for this show. Kristi Allik, Mike Cassells, David McCallum and Robert Mulder will be performing on laptop computers and synthesizers and in the second set will be joined by special guest cellist/looper/improviser cheryl o. LEARK - http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta/leark/ Kristi - http://www3.sympatico.ca/robmulder/kallik.htm Mike - http://post.queensu.ca/~cassellm/ Robert - http://www3.sympatico.ca/robmulder/ David - http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta/ cheryl - http://www.cellojuice.com Between Sets CD - "Recent Future" by Steve Roach This is disc three of ambient master Steve Roach's landmark 4 CD boxset of deep ambient driftworks and will be featured before and between sets, as the Ping continues to feature this set on the 1st Tuesday of each month this summer. http://www.steveroach.com (Ask to see it at the ping things CD table, which is the *only* non-internet source of the complete 4 CD boxset.) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 12th - Ambient-TV Between Sets CD - "Sanctum Sanctorum" by Numina . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Hope Thrown Down" by Falling You Those of you that made it to The Ambient Ping on July 29th were lucky enough to have seen a rare East coast show by ambient vocal act Falling You. Stunning in it's beauty, the work of John Michael Zorko and his revolving group of singers (magicians as he likes to call them...) gave a totally spellbinding, truly beguiling performance. "Hope Thrown Down" collects studio versions of some of the songs that were performed that evening, a perfect blend of the organic and the electronic sure to delight fans from a variety of synthetic genres. With help from vocalists Aimee Page and Nancy Levan, "Hope Thrown Down" features the yearning hearts of "The Art of Possession (no escape)", and the slow pulsing memories of "March Thirty-One", where a sparse piano underlies a light percussive track and a heartfelt vocal. Title track "Hope Thrown Down" finds a brightness and light in the heart of darkness, a symbol of the eternal hope that exists within the human spirit. Closing track "Song for Kurt and Ari (excerpt)" keeps that hope alive, ending the disc with shimmering piano work and some beautiful washes of sound, ending on a positive note of self realization and growth. Brilliant work. rik maclean - - rik@pingthings.com This month at http://www.pingthings.com - an exclusive interview with Mercurine plus the ping things *massive* first freaking anniversary sale... Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the *ping things* ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at *ping things* for the Daily Bread Food Bank too and we'll ensure that it gets there. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 23:07:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h71357q28627; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:05:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:05:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: Re: rds7.6 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:57:44 -0600 Message-ID: <000501c357d8$af1383b0$6401a8c0@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030731225218.59084.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [204.56.56.38] at Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:05:00 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it that time of the month again?? *checks watch* *salutes plant in the corner* All the very best! Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: rds7.6 > > > --- Will Brake wrote: > > I might suggest you be careful > > about suggesting tweaks without including a > > disclaimer as to the results. > > (Note to Michael Lameyer: better make some more > popcorn!) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 31 23:49:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h713kZX01854; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:46:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:46:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030801034629.70530.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:46:29 -0700 (PDT) From: erika li Subject: Repeater CFC Works! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-322315170-1059709589=:70495" Resent-Message-ID: <7tvo9C.A.3c.bKeK_@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-322315170-1059709589=:70495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To those needing additional compact flash cards, CFC, for the electrix repeater, I have found one that works and correctly formats. SanDisk 256MB (CompactFlash version). I purchased it at Costco for $64, a great price for 256MB. good looping! erika --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-322315170-1059709589=:70495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
To those needing additional compact flash cards, CFC, for the electrix repeater, I have found one that works and correctly formats.
 
SanDisk 256MB (CompactFlash version).  I purchased it at Costco for $64, a great price for 256MB.
 
good looping!
erika

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